| 00:23.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/plugins/ (4 files in 3 dirs): make distcheck fixes |
| 00:24.23 | [NP]Tangent | yay |
| 00:24.26 | [NP]Tangent | my flag zones work |
| 00:24.34 | [NP]Tangent | thanks for the help trepan |
| 00:24.57 | [NP]Tangent | now people who want a geno flag risk getting hit by a world geno |
| 00:25.09 | [NP]Tangent | and people wanting L, GM, or SW are right under a world geno, as well |
| 00:25.16 | [NP]Tangent | and right under the world SW |
| 00:25.26 | [NP]Tangent | and if they jump up, there's a death physics above them |
| 00:29.17 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 00:31.48 | [NP]Tangent | yeah |
| 00:31.57 | [NP]Tangent | the only flags in plain sight on the ground now are bad flags |
| 00:32.04 | Erroneous | heh |
| 00:32.20 | [NP]Tangent | everything else is on buildings or behind something or in a hard to reach spot |
| 00:32.55 | blast007 | reminds me of an Angry Beavers episode where they one of them did the ultimate super dooper dare, and they had to chew through a giant tree log while rabid wolves hung from their armpits |
| 00:33.08 | L4m3r | rofl |
| 00:33.18 | [NP]Tangent | haha |
| 00:33.25 | Erroneous | ... |
| 00:33.31 | blast007 | :) |
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| 00:34.57 | L4m3r | for a while there was a website hosting episodes of The Angry Beavers |
| 00:35.21 | L4m3r | but their hosting got pwned rather quickly. I got seasons 1 & 2 |
| 00:35.47 | L4m3r | not that it matters, because apparently Nickelodeon has some new cartoon website that lets you watch on demand |
| 00:35.56 | blast007 | hmm |
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| 01:25.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/Makefile.am: finally fix the longstanding make distcheck bug on mac os x, missing the CONF_ flags from configure |
| 01:43.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/data/fonts/readme: poof |
| 01:50.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/data/fonts/README: readd readme using consistent uppercase |
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| 01:51.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/data/fonts/Makefile.am: s/readme/README/ |
| 01:55.46 | a_meteorite | ~poof |
| 01:55.48 | ibot | I know, sweetie |
| 01:55.51 | a_meteorite | aw :) |
| 01:55.53 | blast007 | heh |
| 01:56.19 | [NP]Tangent | so yeah |
| 01:56.26 | [NP]Tangent | something last night that made me laugh |
| 01:56.36 | [NP]Tangent | I was playing with my friend alex (soul) on my maze rotation |
| 01:56.40 | [NP]Tangent | and he had OO and I had TH |
| 01:56.43 | brlcad | even more bizarre is how that was even happening .. somewhere along the make distcheck, it's getting converted to uppercase causing a failure |
| 01:56.46 | [NP]Tangent | so he was sitting inside a wall |
| 01:56.56 | DTRemenak | heh! |
| 01:57.08 | [NP]Tangent | and he peeked out a bit, and I shot the part of him I saw with my TH beam |
| 01:57.10 | [NP]Tangent | and took his flag |
| 01:57.16 | [NP]Tangent | thus getting him stuck in the wall |
| 01:57.33 | brlcad | i can't imagine what the cause is/was, but it was just easier to upcase it |
| 02:11.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: make the stat command object names match the names of the commands, i.e. s/\([sS]\)tat\([cC]\)ommand/\1tats\2ommand/g |
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| 02:52.59 | master_tux | I installed bzflag 2.0.8 and when I play at servers, I see the world (blocks, tanks, etc.) out of a square in the lower left-hand corner of the screen, and the rest is the ground and the mountains, so can someone tell me how to fix this? My system is linux 2.6 |
| 02:55.05 | JeffM2501 | it's one of 2 things, your driver, or your config |
| 02:55.56 | master_tux | should I delete the config? |
| 02:57.41 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have?> |
| 02:57.52 | master_tux | i915 |
| 02:57.56 | master_tux | Intel |
| 02:58.00 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 02:58.06 | JeffM2501 | drivers |
| 02:58.12 | JeffM2501 | try running in a window |
| 02:58.14 | master_tux | 2.6 supports it though |
| 02:58.31 | JeffM2501 | "support" is not a black and white term ;) |
| 02:58.38 | master_tux | what param do I use to run it in a window? |
| 02:58.53 | JeffM2501 | bzflag -window -geometry 800x600 |
| 02:59.17 | JeffM2501 | but you may also want to check intel's site for newer drivers, I've heard of the issue before |
| 02:59.36 | JeffM2501 | the default drivers many distros ship with don't like some of the GL calls that bzflag does |
| 03:00.07 | master_tux | now see, it looks fine in that window |
| 03:00.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:00.25 | JeffM2501 | often it's because the card can't make a full context the size you wanted |
| 03:00.32 | JeffM2501 | or it geeks on the stencil buffer |
| 03:00.52 | master_tux | well, i'll check it out, thanks for your help |
| 03:00.57 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 06:01.12 | Joss | hay JeffM2501 i tried to register and put i i was under 13 by mistake and i can't chang it |
| 06:01.29 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 06:01.33 | JeffM2501 | it let you reg right? |
| 06:01.42 | Joss | yes |
| 06:01.47 | JeffM2501 | then your fine |
| 06:02.57 | Joss | but it wants a guardian to sign for me |
| 06:03.05 | Joss | and fax |
| 06:03.06 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 06:03.12 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't flag your account |
| 06:03.15 | JeffM2501 | just ignore it |
| 06:03.44 | Joss | yes but it wont let me log in |
| 06:03.58 | JeffM2501 | did you hit the link in your activation e-mail? |
| 06:04.36 | Joss | there is none, it wants "Permission to Participate at Official forums for BZFlag.org" |
| 06:04.58 | JeffM2501 | that's just telling kids what they have to do |
| 06:05.08 | Joss | I am 13 years old though |
| 06:05.09 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl have sent you an email |
| 06:05.20 | JeffM2501 | check your mail |
| 06:05.49 | Joss | it has and want's me to send something to you |
| 06:06.03 | JeffM2501 | I know, ignore that part |
| 06:06.07 | JeffM2501 | it should have a link in the e-mail it sent you |
| 06:06.11 | JeffM2501 | to click |
| 06:06.30 | Joss | it doesn't |
| 06:06.59 | Joss | I think I put my was onder 13 by mistake |
| 06:07.18 | Joss | *age under |
| 06:07.18 | JeffM2501 | dosn't matter, all that means is the coppa message is sent with the activation mail |
| 06:07.22 | JeffM2501 | still has the link |
| 06:07.27 | JeffM2501 | read your /msg |
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| 08:24.06 | LePoulpe303 | Yaaaaaaaawwwwwnn |
| 08:36.07 | Pommes | Good morning BzPoulpe |
| 08:37.12 | LePoulpe303 | Hi SpecialApplez |
| 08:38.41 | Pommes | :) |
| 08:40.02 | LePoulpe303 | sounds great ,no ? |
| 08:40.14 | LePoulpe303 | you should use that as training nick :D |
| 08:41.44 | LePoulpe303 | SpezialApfelz |
| 08:43.09 | Pommes | hehe |
| 08:43.42 | Pommes | Why don't the french call "pommes-de-terre-frites" instead of "pomes frites" ? |
| 08:43.48 | Pommes | isn't it the wrong name then? |
| 08:46.25 | LePoulpe303 | in fact french ppl says "frites" |
| 08:46.54 | Pommes | oh |
| 08:50.16 | LePoulpe303 | un bigmac et des frites |
| 08:52.02 | brlcad | mm.. frites |
| 08:55.40 | LePoulpe303 | excellent with frog legs (let's make this cliche survive ! :) ) |
| 09:04.10 | Pommes | I've heard the french even eat horse-meat!! |
| 09:05.23 | LePoulpe303 | yeah |
| 09:05.32 | LePoulpe303 | i must admit that it's a good meat |
| 09:06.22 | LePoulpe303 | but most of ppl that eat that are old ppl |
| 09:06.22 | L4m3r | I had buffalo once. It was tough, but good :) |
| 09:06.22 | Pommes | How cruel! |
| 09:06.32 | Pommes | Next you're gonna tell me that you even eat cows! |
| 09:06.33 | LePoulpe303 | most of 'young' ppl don't eat horse anymore |
| 09:07.03 | LePoulpe303 | personaly i eat once , but i don't feel like eating some again |
| 09:07.09 | LePoulpe303 | i like bull |
| 09:07.42 | LePoulpe303 | taste must be something like L4m3r 's buffalo i think |
| 09:08.36 | LePoulpe303 | i like game's meat too |
| 09:08.51 | LePoulpe303 | like wild boar |
| 09:09.07 | LePoulpe303 | or roe deer |
| 09:09.29 | LePoulpe303 | rhaa i stop this makes me hungry ;) |
| 10:36.25 | LePoulpe303 | Manu: pengapingapong ? |
| 10:40.23 | Manu | LePoulpe303: pong |
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| 11:20.13 | tofu | fyi, router at ISP just reset |
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| 14:17.34 | Kud0s | Hi, Im having a problem with bzflag 2.08. when i join a game the client appears to connect and the radar is updated however the menu stays on the screen. |
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| 14:18.45 | Kud0s | if i press escape the menu is usable and i press escape again and the menu stays on screen and is unusable |
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| 14:26.12 | ts | I never heard of that before :/ |
| 14:27.55 | ts | Kud0s: In 3 hours more developers should be online, you may want to ask then again |
| 14:28.04 | LePoulpe303 | anyone knows where i can find bzfs command syntax (/ban in particular) ? |
| 14:29.03 | ts | LePoulpe303: That and much more is documented in the bzfs man page |
| 14:29.20 | LePoulpe303 | ts : i have no man, i'm under win |
| 14:29.25 | ts | eek |
| 14:29.49 | ts | That will do until you switch: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi?bzfs.6.in ;) |
| 14:30.09 | LePoulpe303 | ts : ok forget it ; i can find that in bzfs.html in /doc folder |
| 14:30.11 | LePoulpe303 | ;) |
| 14:30.19 | LePoulpe303 | sry man |
| 15:09.06 | Kud0s | ts, Ive narrowed down the problem. It seems to be in windowed mode only that i get the problem |
| 15:09.18 | Kud0s | ts, full screen it works fine |
| 15:09.42 | ts | I don't know about the graphics stuff :/ |
| 15:10.46 | Kud0s | k ill grab as much info as i can for their arrival |
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| 15:58.58 | blast007 | Kud0s: what video card, what driver, and what OS? |
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| 16:07.53 | DTRemenak | and what version of bzflag? |
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| 16:12.53 | LePoulpe303 | DTRemenak: you forgot to ask : and which credit card number ? ;) |
| 16:13.04 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 16:14.34 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:20.20 | spldart | cha ching |
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| 16:32.19 | LePoulpe303 | manu : ping ? |
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| 16:51.19 | Manu | LePoulpe303: pong |
| 16:52.57 | LePoulpe303 | Manu: you can test tkban if you dare ...... |
| 16:53.01 | LePoulpe303 | tkban me |
| 16:53.17 | Manu | heh |
| 16:53.17 | LePoulpe303 | don't worry |
| 16:53.22 | LePoulpe303 | it woon't work |
| 16:53.38 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:53.38 | LePoulpe303 | it NEVER works at 1st test |
| 16:53.47 | Manu | :) |
| 16:54.32 | LePoulpe303 | i've created a yeeha command that performs /msg yeeha to <callsign> |
| 16:54.35 | Manu | nothing happens :) |
| 16:54.36 | LePoulpe303 | and it works |
| 16:54.39 | LePoulpe303 | damn |
| 16:54.43 | LePoulpe303 | incredible :D |
| 16:55.05 | Manu | also no response from the bot |
| 16:55.13 | LePoulpe303 | yeah i see an error here |
| 16:55.25 | Manu | well, the bot can't ban.. |
| 16:55.38 | Manu | no kick/ban perms |
| 16:57.04 | LePoulpe303 | ah good |
| 16:57.04 | LePoulpe303 | :) |
| 16:57.48 | Manu | now it works ;) |
| 16:58.08 | Manu | but it banned another player.. rofl :/ |
| 16:58.34 | LePoulpe303 | damned bot !! wil ya listen to daddy !!??!! |
| 16:58.46 | LePoulpe303 | omg |
| 16:59.57 | Manu | LePoulpe303: gotta go now |
| 17:00.17 | LePoulpe303 | ok ; we'll havce more fun tomorrow :D |
| 17:00.42 | LePoulpe303 | i told ya it would be safe ; it was before your ban commands ideas :D |
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| 18:10.41 | Kud0s | blast007, u still there? sry i was away for a bit |
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| 18:15.47 | Kud0s | Gfx card "VIA/S3G UniChrome Pro IGP", Driver 2.2.38-0816, OS Windows XP Home |
| 18:16.14 | Kud0s | (integrated btw) |
| 18:27.32 | Kud0s | Elaborating what i said before, the game works in fulscreen but sometimes fails to shut down which locks up the computer and ha to be restarted. In windowed mode the game starts but the menu stays on the screen making it unplayable (as the screen does not show whats going on). |
| 18:38.21 | spldart | huh... sound like driver and bz aren't playing nice |
| 18:39.01 | spldart | I assume this is with no other application that requires acceleration running @ the same time |
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| 19:14.22 | Kud0s | spldart, no all im running is windows (bb4win shell), firefox and winamp |
| 19:14.50 | Kud0s | I have just checked driver downloads and there _is_ a new version im just getting it not to give it a go |
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| 19:21.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03t-s * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Enforce a little delay before resuming the countdown |
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| 19:24.02 | spldart | hrm :( |
| 19:24.49 | JeffM2501 | Kud0s, I had the same problem with that chipset, drivers helped |
| 19:24.56 | JeffM2501 | but realy if you can, try to get a real card |
| 19:25.01 | JeffM2501 | it's a very buggy chipset |
| 19:28.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03t-s * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Oops, fix the comments |
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| 20:47.43 | Kud0s | JeffM2501, I tried getting the new drivers but it didnt make it much better. Im on a laptop too so theres no option of getting a new card. If its buggy no worries, ill just have to make do. |
| 20:48.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's a weak chipset |
| 20:49.27 | JeffM2501 | what brand of lappy uses that chipset? |
| 20:49.45 | Kud0s | Acer Aspire 1360 (quite old) |
| 20:49.53 | JeffM2501 | that sucks |
| 20:50.57 | Kud0s | when it does run it runs flawlessly. |
| 20:53.48 | JeffM2501 | I found them to be slow |
| 20:53.59 | JeffM2501 | bout the speed of the lower end ATI onboards |
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| 20:54.15 | JeffM2501 | but faster then like an onboard savage |
| 20:54.29 | JeffM2501 | I'd still take an nvidia 6150 anyday |
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| 21:02.07 | blast007 | my 800MHz PIII with an nV 5200 beats up my aunts AMD 3200+ with a Via UniChrome ;) |
| 21:02.30 | JeffM2501 | a 2MX beats a unichrome |
| 21:02.35 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 21:02.51 | blast007 | suppose my i855 beats it |
| 21:02.53 | JeffM2501 | but it does beat a rage onboard |
| 21:03.01 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:03.02 | JeffM2501 | or that savage crap |
| 21:03.26 | blast007 | oh man...my Savage IX ran bzflag slower than software rendering |
| 21:03.43 | blast007 | and it swapped textures all around |
| 21:03.57 | JeffM2501 | bad GL implemnations suck |
| 21:04.10 | blast007 | yup |
| 21:04.35 | blast007 | right now I'm playing around with LDAP for an auth system |
| 21:04.42 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 21:04.49 | blast007 | I have a mediawiki authenticating to a Windows Server 2003 box |
| 21:05.07 | blast007 | seems to be a plugin for Drupal, and a mod for phpBB |
| 21:05.27 | JeffM2501 | drupal seemed cool when I looked at it |
| 21:05.30 | blast007 | so technically we could use LDAP for the bzflag stuff |
| 21:05.38 | JeffM2501 | then just get the fourms to auth that way |
| 21:05.41 | JeffM2501 | that'd be nice |
| 21:05.44 | JeffM2501 | to pull it out |
| 21:05.46 | blast007 | still probably need a layer between the LDAP and the client/server |
| 21:05.47 | JeffM2501 | can it do groups? |
| 21:05.51 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:05.53 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:06.15 | blast007 | and replication ;) |
| 21:06.18 | blast007 | hint hint |
| 21:06.23 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:06.32 | blast007 | so we wouldn't have to code up any syncing stuff |
| 21:06.49 | blast007 | some of the clients I've been looking at for LDAP support multiple servers as well |
| 21:06.53 | blast007 | so if one fails, it goes to the next |
| 21:07.18 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 21:07.22 | blast007 | I'm gonna try to set up OpenLDAP on a linux system here |
| 21:07.36 | blast007 | seems like it'll be more flexible than AD |
| 21:08.36 | JeffM2501 | you have a dedicated linux system? |
| 21:08.36 | JeffM2501 | if not, you can use marathon if you want |
| 21:08.37 | blast007 | well, a 133MHz system ;) |
| 21:08.37 | blast007 | worst case, I can fire up my IBM server |
| 21:08.37 | blast007 | but 'tis a bit loud and power hungry |
| 21:08.37 | blast007 | we saw a drop in the power bill when I left it off for a month |
| 21:08.42 | JeffM2501 | I have a giger p3 set up on the net if you need to use it |
| 21:08.48 | blast007 | k |
| 21:08.52 | JeffM2501 | runnin debian |
| 21:08.58 | blast007 | I don't know debian |
| 21:09.11 | blast007 | I've mainly used Slackware |
| 21:09.17 | blast007 | which is what i have on my two linux systems here |
| 21:09.19 | Erroneous | you're welcome to use zalmoxis if you're more comfortable with bsd ;) |
| 21:09.27 | blast007 | heh...I've used OpenBSD :) |
| 21:09.43 | donny_baker | if you guys need any help configuring it up I have a guy here at work that uses ldap and debian for everything on his network |
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| 21:50.44 | Bz_Win | Question: are he mountain textures available in a higher-rez? |
| 21:51.01 | tannerld | :O |
| 21:55.27 | Bz_Win | anyone? :p |
| 21:55.53 | Erroneous | nope |
| 21:56.19 | Erroneous | there's a patch set for high-res mountains; different texture though |
| 21:57.21 | Bz_Win | where are those mountains available? |
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| 22:06.00 | Erroneous | I don't remember :) |
| 22:06.34 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 had the new mountans |
| 22:06.38 | JeffM2501 | they are in CVS history |
| 22:06.41 | JeffM2501 | they were removed |
| 22:07.27 | tannerld | why removed? |
| 22:07.36 | JeffM2501 | "someone" didn't like them |
| 22:07.40 | Bz_Win | are they still in the 2.0.4 that is downloadable? |
| 22:07.42 | JeffM2501 | I should put them back for 2.2 |
| 22:07.53 | JeffM2501 | just browse the cvs history |
| 22:07.56 | JeffM2501 | on sourceforge |
| 22:07.57 | Bz_Win | k |
| 22:07.59 | Bz_Win | thanks |
| 22:08.08 | Erroneous | hm, those got merged and removed? |
| 22:08.16 | Erroneous | I thought he just pulled the dupes |
| 22:08.26 | JeffM2501 | he didn't know what was going on |
| 22:08.29 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 22:08.34 | JeffM2501 | they were dupes for a reason |
| 22:08.35 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:08.39 | Erroneous | yeah, I know that |
| 22:08.47 | JeffM2501 | the mountan code is bizare |
| 22:08.56 | JeffM2501 | I should have the better mountans somewhere still |
| 22:09.03 | Erroneous | he was of the opinion that if they needed to be duplicated they should be duplicated at install time, iirc |
| 22:09.29 | JeffM2501 | well they were origonaly difrent images |
| 22:09.41 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:10.27 | ts | I think Saturos has some "Joshi's islands" mountains (not sure if I spelled it correct) |
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| 22:11.11 | Bz_Win | Yoshi* |
| 22:11.46 | L4m3r | yeah, I've seen them. they're weird... |
| 22:12.11 | ts | I haven't tested them. How do they feel like when seeing them? |
| 22:12.26 | L4m3r | on another note, it'd be nice to have map material bindings for the mountains... green and brown mountains look out of place in a desert or snow map :) |
| 22:12.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:12.39 | JeffM2501 | lots of things would be nice |
| 22:13.04 | Erroneous | hmm, themes :) |
| 22:13.18 | trepan | hmm, skybox? |
| 22:13.30 | Erroneous | hmm, skybox :) |
| 22:13.42 | JeffM2501 | skybox is the bestest |
| 22:13.59 | trepan | and already available... |
| 22:14.01 | Erroneous | what, you don't like our skycone-with-cylinder? :) |
| 22:14.11 | JeffM2501 | still not exactly the same as just canging the mountans |
| 22:14.17 | JeffM2501 | you don't get dynamic sky with skybox |
| 22:14.31 | Erroneous | why not? |
| 22:14.38 | JeffM2501 | cus it replaces the sky |
| 22:14.40 | JeffM2501 | with images |
| 22:14.55 | Erroneous | replace it dynamically :) |
| 22:15.22 | JeffM2501 | not sure if that is suported |
| 22:15.38 | Bz_Win | Another retarded question, was the base texture made in Blender? (basetop) |
| 22:15.51 | JeffM2501 | yes and no |
| 22:16.05 | Bz_Win | oh :p |
| 22:16.45 | JeffM2501 | the base image is made out of more then one image, from the dynamic bases from pybzflag |
| 22:16.54 | JeffM2501 | and they used blender a lot for there source images. |
| 22:18.06 | Bz_Win | ah, yay, found it |
| 22:18.08 | Bz_Win | Thanks again |
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| 22:26.43 | Birdie | where can i find MSVCP80.dll? |
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| 22:27.46 | Erroneous | Birdie: it should be distributed with whatever application requires it |
| 22:28.41 | Birdie | maybe cause i didnt a "full install" (meaning no stuff for making a server or so) |
| 22:28.44 | Birdie | ? |
| 22:29.21 | Erroneous | hm? |
| 22:29.29 | Erroneous | what is asking you for it? |
| 22:30.52 | JeffM2501 | who builds wtih VC8 and distributes? |
| 22:31.00 | JeffM2501 | none of the officals IIRC |
| 22:32.02 | Erroneous | if I build, I do, but I package the dlls :) |
| 22:32.21 | JeffM2501 | I know, but I don't think you've done an offical, or a beta |
| 22:32.33 | JeffM2501 | not for windows |
| 22:32.43 | Erroneous | not for a while |
| 22:32.46 | JeffM2501 | I know I did 6 and 8, and the .9 betas |
| 22:32.52 | Erroneous | not since you decided to unquit, that is :) |
| 22:32.57 | JeffM2501 | 2 years |
| 22:32.59 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 22:33.05 | Erroneous | something like that |
| 22:33.19 | Erroneous | and at that time, I probably still had 2k3 installed |
| 22:33.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus I remember when you finaly got VC71 |
| 22:33.42 | JeffM2501 | sorry 8 |
| 22:33.50 | JeffM2501 | up from 5 IIRC |
| 22:33.50 | Erroneous | yeah, I think the .3 betas were the last I didd |
| 22:34.00 | Erroneous | 7.1 from 5 |
| 22:34.08 | Erroneous | then to 8 sometime recently |
| 22:34.09 | JeffM2501 | thats one hell of an upgrade :0 |
| 22:34.13 | Erroneous | whenever it was released |
| 22:34.21 | Erroneous | yeah, it was nice :0 |
| 22:34.41 | Erroneous | silly for loops |
| 22:34.44 | JeffM2501 | I was so happy when we pulled VC6 |
| 22:34.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:35.40 | Erroneous | 7 is just so much...better :) |
| 22:35.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:35.50 | JeffM2501 | well 7.1 |
| 22:35.54 | JeffM2501 | 7.0 not so much |
| 22:35.58 | JeffM2501 | very buggy |
| 22:36.08 | Erroneous | 7.0 is better, just doesn't, well, work |
| 22:36.16 | Erroneous | 7.1...the "we fixed it now" version |
| 22:36.22 | JeffM2501 | to us so much not well that we could not use it |
| 22:36.39 | Erroneous | yeah it was pretty busted |
| 22:37.30 | JeffM2501 | hmmm.. so if your not so keen on dynamic sky, that makes it easyer to change to a real engine :) |
| 22:37.38 | JeffM2501 | just provide a couple skyboxes :) |
| 22:37.44 | JeffM2501 | and pick one based on when the server starts |
| 22:37.57 | JeffM2501 | or let it overide it |
| 22:38.41 | Erroneous | could draw our own dynamic sky still |
| 22:38.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:38.47 | JeffM2501 | just more work |
| 22:38.56 | JeffM2501 | for not much benifit IMHO |
| 22:39.13 | Erroneous | I had a pretty nifty perlin noise generator for the clouds...was rather naive, though, killed framerates |
| 22:39.24 | Erroneous | replaced the texture every frame |
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| 22:39.30 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow and scanlime had a cool cloud system |
| 22:40.57 | Erroneous | the rest of the sky is only updated every 5 min anyway |
| 22:41.35 | Erroneous | we could have a whole set of skyboxes - 288 for a day ;) |
| 22:42.04 | Erroneous | though I suppose we do our little astronomy thing too |
| 22:42.23 | JeffM2501 | still with more and more maps being themed the benifit of a real skybox may outweigh the "cool" factor of dynamic sky |
| 22:42.54 | JeffM2501 | dynamic sky was not too hard with ogre |
| 22:43.11 | Erroneous | shouldn't be that difficult to do the dynamic either inside or instead of a skybox, if requested |
| 22:43.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:43.51 | JeffM2501 | tho geting it behind the mountans may be fun, if they are on the skybox |
| 22:44.54 | Erroneous | just don't draw anything that would normally be behind the mountains |
| 22:45.09 | JeffM2501 | stars |
| 22:45.14 | JeffM2501 | sunrise/sunset |
| 22:45.22 | Erroneous | yeah...if a star would be behind the mountain, don't draw it |
| 22:45.38 | JeffM2501 | so something like a "depth" buffer |
| 22:45.44 | Erroneous | yeah ;) |
| 22:45.53 | JeffM2501 | that's what I meant by multi layerd |
| 22:46.02 | Erroneous | my point was, you could fake it |
| 22:46.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:46.20 | JeffM2501 | doing it with some alpha in the skybox wouldn't be too bad |
| 22:46.21 | Erroneous | without using the real depth buffer |
| 22:46.30 | JeffM2501 | just draw back to front |
| 22:46.56 | Erroneous | true |
| 22:47.10 | JeffM2501 | then the clip is up to the skybox artist |
| 22:47.26 | JeffM2501 | and it's close to what we do now |
| 22:48.09 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: the sky color was cooler than the clouds :) |
| 22:48.16 | JeffM2501 | your entire sky was cool |
| 22:48.23 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, you smell toast? |
| 22:48.36 | Erroneous | nope |
| 22:48.43 | purple_cow | http://svn.navi.cx/misc/trunk/pybzengine/data/sky_colors.png |
| 22:48.54 | JeffM2501 | must be the halucinations then |
| 22:49.01 | Erroneous | heh |
| 22:49.13 | JeffM2501 | too bad all those screenshots got lost :( |
| 22:49.43 | brlcad | too bad the filesystem was lost |
| 22:49.53 | JeffM2501 | poor navi :( |
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| 22:53.28 | JeffM2501 | yay, found the mountans :) |
| 22:53.45 | Erroneous | one would think it would not be too difficult to find mountains |
| 22:53.50 | JeffM2501 | the old images |
| 22:53.52 | Erroneous | I mean, how do you misplace a mountain? |
| 22:53.58 | JeffM2501 | explosives |
| 22:54.00 | JeffM2501 | LOTS of them |
| 22:54.01 | Erroneous | hehe |
| 22:54.09 | JeffM2501 | mishapen shaped charges |
| 22:57.16 | Gnurdux | why is vsync having an affect on my friend's DVI system? |
| 22:57.42 | JeffM2501 | still limits GL to an update time |
| 22:58.24 | JeffM2501 | basicly it's still "wait till the entire image is drawn" |
| 22:58.32 | JeffM2501 | tho that may not be direclty tied to an actual fixed HZ frequency |
| 22:58.38 | JeffM2501 | on a DVI system |
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