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| 09:46.36 | daniel_jackson | hey tarco |
| 09:46.44 | tarco | hello |
| 09:47.11 | tarco | private talk |
| 09:47.44 | daniel_jackson | yep |
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| 09:59.25 | LePoulpe303 | !seen Tepic |
| 09:59.35 | LePoulpe303 | !seen Teppic |
| 09:59.49 | LePoulpe303 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:59.57 | LePoulpe303 | bots never love me |
| 10:02.13 | Pommes | ~seen Teppic |
| 10:02.30 | ibot | teppic <n=Teppic@cpc2-cbly2-0-0-cust985.glfd.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 10d 11h 5m 22s ago, saying: 'Working is easier, you go home at 4:30 and the job is done, if it isn't it's not your problem anymore...'. |
| 10:02.58 | LePoulpe303 | ty Pommes ;) |
| 10:03.22 | Pommes | de rien |
| 10:04.09 | LePoulpe303 | ich bestehe |
| 10:04.23 | Pommes | :) |
| 10:05.09 | Pommes | It's german, but it's not german to say that ;-) |
| 10:11.12 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 10:11.27 | LePoulpe303 | i'm not surprised |
| 10:12.27 | LePoulpe303 | i regret not having studied german more seriously |
| 10:21.07 | mikl | ich besteht :) |
| 10:21.11 | mikl | or whaterver |
| 10:21.23 | LePoulpe303 | mikl 1 LePoulpe303 0 |
| 10:21.32 | LePoulpe303 | ball in the middle |
| 10:21.55 | mikl | I'm not sure, it's five years since I had german in school |
| 10:22.28 | LePoulpe303 | i prefer to be silent about how long it was for me |
| 10:45.50 | Pommes | The thing that can't be taught is the mentality - germans are NOT polite :) |
| 10:55.01 | LePoulpe303 | Pommes : except japanese , which ppl do you expect to be polite? |
| 11:08.26 | Pommes | LePoulpe303: the french :) |
| 11:08.41 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 11:29.02 | tarco | wow french |
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| 11:32.01 | LePoulpe303 | this remark has been fatal for him |
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| 14:48.24 | SportChick | brlcad: ping |
| 15:09.41 | Chestal | is the list server http reachable via others ports besides 80 and 81(?) |
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| 18:19.52 | Hotman | hi all |
| 18:20.23 | blast007 | Hotman: hello |
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| 18:30.49 | Guest770eu | hello guys, my name is 4morebeer |
| 18:31.07 | Guest770eu | *s |
| 18:31.11 | Guest770eu | pls help me |
| 18:31.31 | JeffM2501 | with? |
| 18:31.34 | Hotman | Guest770eu: hey 4more |
| 18:31.39 | Guest770eu | i dont know what happend to my lag |
| 18:31.45 | Guest770eu | hey hot |
| 18:31.51 | JeffM2501 | what happend to your lag? |
| 18:32.02 | Guest770eu | i reinstalled windows, norton, bzflag |
| 18:32.09 | Guest770eu | got a faster connection |
| 18:32.17 | JeffM2501 | you probably had spyware |
| 18:32.23 | JeffM2501 | sucking up CPU and bandwith |
| 18:32.38 | Guest770eu | i have always during the day between 160 and 270 of lag |
| 18:33.51 | Guest770eu | i did connection speed tests |
| 18:33.54 | Guest770eu | just before |
| 18:34.09 | Guest770eu | i have 2mbit/s download |
| 18:34.19 | Guest770eu | and 350 kb/s upload |
| 18:34.25 | JeffM2501 | bandwith is not lag |
| 18:34.30 | ts | That is not speed |
| 18:34.37 | Guest770eu | the strange thing is that during the night oi dont have lag at all |
| 18:34.49 | JeffM2501 | that is how much you can transfter, not how long it takes to get somewhere |
| 18:34.51 | Guest770eu | hmm |
| 18:35.09 | Guest770eu | so what shall i do im disperated |
| 18:35.09 | JeffM2501 | lag is how long it takes your packet to get from you to the server |
| 18:35.21 | JeffM2501 | 2 things |
| 18:35.25 | JeffM2501 | 1) what is your frame rate? |
| 18:35.31 | JeffM2501 | 2) how far away is your server? |
| 18:35.37 | Guest770eu | im in italy |
| 18:35.44 | JeffM2501 | are you playing on US servers? |
| 18:35.49 | Guest770eu | no |
| 18:35.53 | JeffM2501 | europeans? |
| 18:35.59 | Guest770eu | where can i c the frame rate |
| 18:36.04 | JeffM2501 | hit T while in game |
| 18:36.05 | Guest770eu | yep brads, bzf dub |
| 18:36.05 | ts | t |
| 18:36.29 | JeffM2501 | then it's ether ISP lag, or frame rate lag |
| 18:36.41 | JeffM2501 | there is little you can do on your own computer to affect the lag |
| 18:36.43 | Guest770eu | shall i do it now? |
| 18:36.48 | JeffM2501 | unless somone else is flooding out your conection |
| 18:36.59 | JeffM2501 | you run bit torrent or anything like that when you play? |
| 18:37.02 | Guest770eu | dont think so im not on wireless |
| 18:37.08 | ts | well, you need to find out |
| 18:37.10 | Guest770eu | not not even the messenger |
| 18:37.12 | JeffM2501 | wireless dosn't mean anything |
| 18:37.19 | JeffM2501 | anyone else share the conection? |
| 18:37.32 | Guest770eu | no |
| 18:37.33 | ts | so get a real OS and test ;) |
| 18:37.43 | JeffM2501 | it a DSL or a cable modem? |
| 18:37.47 | JeffM2501 | ts, your not helping |
| 18:37.51 | Guest770eu | ADSL |
| 18:38.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah check your frame rate then |
| 18:38.14 | Guest770eu | shall i close the page? |
| 18:38.23 | JeffM2501 | should not mater |
| 18:38.28 | Guest770eu | ok brb |
| 18:40.49 | Guest770eu | nothing happens when i press t |
| 18:41.01 | ts | it is in the middle of scoreboard |
| 18:41.07 | ts | you have to look closely |
| 18:41.13 | JeffM2501 | on the corner of the outer box |
| 18:41.20 | Guest770eu | k |
| 18:41.20 | ts | eventually you want to hide the scoreboard with s |
| 18:41.29 | orange | ts: not me |
| 18:41.52 | Guest770eu | 280 |
| 18:41.56 | ts | orange: Huh? |
| 18:42.02 | orange | ts: I don't hide the scoreboard |
| 18:42.18 | Guest770eu | 250-280 |
| 18:42.26 | Hotman | waw |
| 18:42.31 | Guest770eu | bad? |
| 18:42.32 | ts | Well, then it is not framerate caused lag if that is the FPS you get |
| 18:42.33 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:42.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah then it's ISP lag |
| 18:42.45 | JeffM2501 | it's just trafic on your ISP |
| 18:42.50 | Guest770eu | that means :( |
| 18:42.50 | JeffM2501 | makes sense that it's higher in the day |
| 18:42.53 | JeffM2501 | more people are away |
| 18:42.56 | JeffM2501 | awake |
| 18:43.02 | JeffM2501 | it means it's just lag |
| 18:43.05 | JeffM2501 | lag happens |
| 18:43.12 | Guest770eu | the more ppl on the higher the lag? |
| 18:43.20 | Guest770eu | i cant do nothing? |
| 18:43.22 | JeffM2501 | depends on your internet company |
| 18:43.25 | JeffM2501 | you can call them |
| 18:43.28 | JeffM2501 | and see what they can do |
| 18:43.32 | ts | orange: The context was to see the FPS number.. |
| 18:43.35 | JeffM2501 | but at your computer, probably not |
| 18:43.58 | orange | ts: ah, I thought you meant in general, since you said eventually |
| 18:44.02 | Guest770eu | its not spyware then |
| 18:44.10 | JeffM2501 | not if you have reinstalled and it's still bad |
| 18:44.25 | Guest770eu | it started 20r 3 weeks ago |
| 18:44.31 | Guest770eu | 2-3* |
| 18:44.32 | JeffM2501 | if your clean, and it's bad, then the only things left would be your ISP, or other computers using your conectiopn |
| 18:44.55 | JeffM2501 | then your DSL company probably exausted there router then |
| 18:44.58 | JeffM2501 | oversold it |
| 18:45.03 | JeffM2501 | happens all the time |
| 18:45.25 | Guest770eu | oh |
| 18:45.58 | Guest770eu | what does ISP mean |
| 18:46.08 | ts | internet service provider |
| 18:46.19 | Hotman | burlosconi |
| 18:46.22 | JeffM2501 | the company you get net from |
| 18:46.23 | Guest770eu | can i call them and ask for something |
| 18:46.27 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 18:46.42 | Guest770eu | to reset my line or something like that |
| 18:46.50 | Guest770eu | yeah damn berlusconi |
| 18:46.51 | JeffM2501 | you can ask that |
| 18:46.53 | JeffM2501 | may not help |
| 18:47.12 | Guest770eu | so no more bzflag for 4more :( |
| 18:47.17 | JeffM2501 | if your router at the CO is flooded, then not much they can do except upgrade the hardware |
| 18:47.22 | JeffM2501 | but maybe they can |
| 18:47.25 | JeffM2501 | never hurts to ask |
| 18:47.58 | Guest770eu | and when they ask my ab my probs what shall i say |
| 18:49.00 | JeffM2501 | that you have high lag on a game to servers in europe |
| 18:49.10 | Guest770eu | a faster connection from the same company wouldnt change anything |
| 18:49.16 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 18:49.28 | Guest770eu | i have to change company |
| 18:49.34 | Guest770eu | oh my |
| 18:49.40 | JeffM2501 | the bandwith is how wide the pipe is, not how fast the water flows in it |
| 18:50.20 | JeffM2501 | DSL base lag to the ISP is around 5-10ms |
| 18:50.28 | JeffM2501 | faster conectons just get more data thru in the same time |
| 18:51.28 | Guest770eu | hmm...really bad news |
| 18:51.37 | Guest770eu | thx anyway guys |
| 18:51.52 | Guest770eu | very knid of u |
| 18:51.56 | Guest770eu | kind |
| 18:51.59 | Hotman | good luck 4more |
| 18:52.02 | JeffM2501 | good luck |
| 18:52.24 | Guest770eu | :/ |
| 18:52.36 | Guest770eu | later fellas |
| 18:56.24 | ts | BTW: Can there anything wrong with a connection that does not show up in lag/jitter and packetloss? |
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| 19:26.12 | nvz | how do you talk to a specific user in bzflag? |
| 19:26.27 | nvz | send to user seems to automatically select the admin |
| 19:27.26 | blast007 | left and right arrays can pick a user, assuming you aren't using the keyboard to control your tank movement |
| 19:27.29 | blast007 | arrows* |
| 19:27.46 | nvz | yes I use the keyboard for my tank |
| 19:27.57 | blast007 | ah, hmm |
| 19:28.35 | blast007 | I can't recall if you can use: /msg "Some Name" some message |
| 19:28.42 | blast007 | I use a mouse, so I've never had to |
| 19:28.45 | blast007 | worth a try though |
| 19:29.54 | blast007 | , and . also pick two specific people |
| 19:30.08 | blast007 | I think one is the last person you talked to, and the other is who last killed you |
| 19:31.09 | nvz | . sends to the admin and I cant get it to change |
| 19:31.19 | nvz | its suppose to be send to reciepient |
| 19:31.29 | nvz | the /msg works if I use send to all though |
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| 19:35.04 | CBG | ~Saturos++ |
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| 20:45.43 | ejb | are there any devs in here |
| 20:46.41 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:47.16 | ejb | Greetings |
| 20:47.25 | JeffM2501 | sup |
| 20:49.01 | ejb | What libs does bzflag use to get input (keyboard specifically) on Linux |
| 20:49.11 | JeffM2501 | SDL |
| 20:49.20 | JeffM2501 | by default |
| 20:49.36 | ejb | So it must do all input through sdl |
| 20:49.47 | JeffM2501 | well by default we use SDL |
| 20:49.57 | JeffM2501 | but if you don't have SDL it can use the old X11 stuff |
| 20:50.01 | ejb | What would the alternative be? |
| 20:50.03 | ejb | oh ,ok |
| 20:50.09 | JeffM2501 | SDL is a lot better |
| 20:50.41 | ejb | I haven't been playing bzflag that long... are there mods? |
| 20:50.49 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 20:51.04 | ejb | So theres no sdk or anything |
| 20:51.05 | JeffM2501 | in general most mods are not compatable with other clients |
| 20:51.17 | JeffM2501 | it's open source |
| 20:51.21 | JeffM2501 | you can have full source |
| 20:51.27 | ejb | true... |
| 20:51.29 | JeffM2501 | there is an API for server side plugins |
| 20:51.46 | JeffM2501 | they allow some modification |
| 20:51.58 | ejb | client side modification? |
| 20:52.02 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 20:52.09 | JeffM2501 | for that you mod the client itself |
| 20:52.27 | JeffM2501 | and if you change gameplay you become incompatable with other clients |
| 20:52.32 | JeffM2501 | basicly that makes it another game |
| 20:52.34 | JeffM2501 | or a cheat |
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| 20:52.47 | JeffM2501 | and we don't approve of cheats |
| 20:53.17 | ejb | Is there any documentation about what can be modified while staying compatible |
| 20:53.22 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:53.50 | JeffM2501 | the only real things you coudl do woudl be stuf like visuals, sound, input, etcc. |
| 20:53.59 | JeffM2501 | you can't make your tank do stuff other tanks can't, or it's a cheat |
| 20:54.11 | ejb | would it even work? |
| 20:54.12 | JeffM2501 | unless you change your protocoll verison, then it's just a fork of the game, and you can go hog wild |
| 20:54.20 | JeffM2501 | would what even work? |
| 20:54.47 | ejb | If you modified your client to have advantages and then played on a pub server |
| 20:54.55 | JeffM2501 | sure, it's called cheating |
| 20:54.59 | JeffM2501 | people do it all the time |
| 20:55.02 | JeffM2501 | and get baned for it |
| 20:55.33 | ejb | gnar |
| 20:55.37 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not make like quake, where the server does it all |
| 20:55.52 | JeffM2501 | it's an old LAN game, the clients are trusted for most stuff. |
| 20:56.03 | ejb | Oh |
| 20:56.36 | Erroneous | it's easier to beat people up when they're on a LAN |
| 20:56.44 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 20:56.47 | ejb | hehe |
| 20:56.58 | JeffM2501 | less lag too :) |
| 20:56.58 | Erroneous | for the internet, our architecture sucks |
| 20:57.03 | blast007 | s/easier/possible/ |
| 20:57.20 | Erroneous | blast007: it's entirely possible to beat someone up when you meet them on the internet |
| 20:57.23 | Erroneous | just ask the FBI |
| 20:57.41 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 20:58.26 | JeffM2501 | ejb, your more then welcome to take the code and mod it, just change the protocoll number in the source, then your moded client will work only with other moded clients, and be all good |
| 20:58.43 | ejb | Ok, thanks. |
| 20:59.18 | JeffM2501 | and if you release any binarys to anyone, you also have to release source, that's the only other restriction. |
| 20:59.33 | Erroneous | and patches are always welcome |
| 20:59.36 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 21:00.46 | Erroneous | also, if you have questions about the code, you have found the place to ask them |
| 21:02.18 | JeffM2501 | if you can find the person who knows the part you want to know about ) |
| 21:02.42 | Erroneous | meh, just ask in the channel, someone will answer eventually |
| 21:03.09 | JeffM2501 | ejb, what is your programing experience? |
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| 21:34.35 | ejb | JeffM2501, I've done a little bit of everything. I haven't done a ton of OOP so I'm venturing into Java and C++. |
| 21:36.04 | gsnedders | anytime I thought I'd have a few weeks ago never appeared. |
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| 22:31.18 | silver[a] | $ bzadmin -ui curses |
| 22:31.18 | silver[a] | There is no interface called "curses". |
| 22:31.41 | silver[a] | Am I missing a requisite to compile w/curses? |
| 22:32.03 | Erroneous | perhaps curses |
| 22:33.11 | silver[a] | heh... ok |
| 22:33.44 | Erroneous | what platform are you on? |
| 22:33.44 | silver[a] | at the moment, ubuntu. |
| 22:33.46 | Erroneous | k |
| 22:33.55 | Erroneous | yeah, get ncurses and ncurses-dev |
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| 23:07.54 | SilverFox | that did the trick. Thanks. |
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