| 00:06.53 | Bluer | when you run autogen in the CVS, does it generate a configure file specifically for the machien you're running it on? or is it a "universal configure"? |
| 00:07.28 | Bluer | machine* |
| 00:07.38 | ruskie | it should be the same as is distributed :) |
| 00:07.47 | L4m3r | supposedly you can do it on any machine |
| 00:08.07 | L4m3r | it says so someplace... |
| 00:08.22 | ruskie | though there might be some cruft left in an auto4make.cache dir that wolud be better to be removed first afaik |
| 00:08.28 | ruskie | but I'm off to sleep |
| 00:08.32 | master_tux | L4m3r: Dont you make those plugins for bzflag? |
| 00:08.33 | Bluer | goodnight ruskie |
| 00:08.35 | L4m3r | i.e. if you don't have one of the necessary packages (like libtool) it'll tell you it can run on another machine if need be |
| 00:13.05 | L4m3r | ~bz2_0cvs |
| 00:13.10 | L4m3r | ~bz20cvs |
| 00:13.11 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
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| 00:25.05 | a_meteorite | ~CBG++ |
| 00:25.23 | CBG | Thanks kid. |
| 00:25.26 | CBG | ~a_meteorite-- |
| 00:25.33 | a_meteorite | No, you like negative karma. |
| 00:25.34 | a_meteorite | Too bad. |
| 00:25.47 | meteorite_away | ~a_meteorite++ |
| 00:26.06 | CBG | ... |
| 00:26.13 | CBG | ~a_meteorite-- |
| 00:26.25 | meteorite_away | ~a_meteorite++ |
| 00:26.36 | a_meteorite | ~karma a_meteorite |
| 00:26.36 | ibot | a_meteorite has karma of 28 |
| 00:26.38 | CBG | ~a_meteorite-- |
| 00:26.41 | a_meteorite | ~a_meteorite++ |
| 00:26.53 | a_meteorite | ~karma a_meteorite |
| 00:26.53 | ibot | a_meteorite has karma of 27 |
| 00:26.57 | a_meteorite | hmf |
| 00:27.06 | CBG | Dude, grow up. |
| 00:27.21 | a_meteorite | You first. |
| 00:27.30 | meteorite_away | ~a_meteorite++ |
| 00:27.46 | meteorite_away | ~karma a_meteorite |
| 00:27.47 | ibot | a_meteorite has karma of 28 |
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| 01:27.19 | HighKarateKitty | I was just informed several people said hi and I missed it soooo hiiiii but have to go now bye bye |
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| 02:50.29 | a_meteorite | ~feed a_meteorite |
| 02:50.35 | ibot | ACTION offers a_meteorite some herring |
| 02:54.31 | blast007 | must have been Flash's herring, cuz he stopped eating ;) |
| 02:54.48 | tannerld | ~seen bluer |
| 02:55.00 | ibot | bluer is currently on #bzflag (6h 41m 49s) ##essy (6h 41m 49s). Has said a total of 5 messages. Is idling for 2h 46m 27s, last said: 'goodnight ruskie '. |
| 02:55.01 | tannerld | ~see bluer |
| 02:55.05 | ibot | ACTION whispers to bluer "You didn't see anything...." |
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| 05:15.09 | Bluer | blast007 ?? |
| 05:15.39 | SportChick | Bluer: read up :) |
| 05:16.43 | Bluer | I did, someone tickeld me, but I don't see anything! |
| 05:16.58 | Bluer | hi SportChick :) |
| 05:17.01 | SportChick | Bluer: oh? hehe |
| 05:17.06 | SportChick | hiya Bluer :) |
| 05:22.39 | Bluer | yesterday at the mall, I saw a white lady that looked like you! |
| 05:22.44 | Bluer | she looked right at me and smiled |
| 05:22.50 | Bluer | I immediately remembered you |
| 05:23.18 | Bluer | she smiled because I was testing this new message chair |
| 05:23.31 | Bluer | massage* |
| 05:23.39 | SportChick | like me? |
| 05:23.39 | SportChick | hehe |
| 05:23.46 | Bluer | yes :) |
| 05:24.03 | Flash | I want a message chair |
| 05:24.12 | Bluer | she wasn't local, she looked english, or american, couldn't tell |
| 05:32.51 | SportChick | :) |
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| 06:02.31 | zaac | hello |
| 06:02.51 | daniel_jackson | hey |
| 06:03.01 | zaac | tarco must be taken |
| 06:03.12 | zaac | so i got me secondary one |
| 06:03.24 | daniel_jackson | you registered tarco |
| 06:03.32 | daniel_jackson | its yours |
| 06:03.42 | zaac | i am having problems withit |
| 06:03.47 | daniel_jackson | ok |
| 06:04.15 | zaac | ok ill just set it up |
| 06:04.16 | daniel_jackson | your going to have to register this one then |
| 06:05.14 | zaac | arg forgot the login in to my router |
| 06:05.31 | daniel_jackson | I remember |
| 06:05.40 | zaac | what is it |
| 06:05.51 | zaac | please |
| 06:05.54 | daniel_jackson | just remember Admin |
| 06:06.05 | zaac | its the passwors |
| 06:06.36 | daniel_jackson | I'm trying to be sly for your protection |
| 06:06.55 | zaac | ok ty |
| 06:07.22 | daniel_jackson | let me just say I told you what it was |
| 06:07.58 | zaac | k |
| 06:08.35 | daniel_jackson | if you get what I mean |
| 06:08.54 | zaac | yep k |
| 06:09.18 | SportChick | you two realize you can talk in private and not have to be "sly"? |
| 06:09.38 | zaac | ok |
| 06:10.03 | daniel_jackson | he''s not registered |
| 06:10.11 | zaac | now i am |
| 06:10.16 | daniel_jackson | ok |
| 06:10.19 | SportChick | you are both identified to services |
| 06:10.24 | SportChick | so yes he is |
| 06:10.40 | zaac | ty sportchick |
| 06:10.42 | SportChick | np |
| 06:10.45 | SportChick | just type /msg nick message |
| 06:10.54 | SportChick | saves you from saying something in public that you shouldn't say :) |
| 06:10.58 | zaac | i'll remember that |
| 06:11.05 | zaac | ty again |
| 06:11.37 | [NP]Tangent | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9327&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= <-- something tells me this doesn't belong on bz forums |
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| 06:22.31 | tarco | hello dj |
| 06:23.40 | brlcad | Bluer: it generates a cross-platform configure script after autogen.sh that is only limited by the version of the relevant GBS tools you have installed that produce it (e.g. autoconf/automake) |
| 06:29.48 | Bluer | brlcad, thanks for your very helpful tips |
| 06:29.57 | Bluer | I actually have compiled 2.0.9 :) |
| 06:30.13 | Bluer | with isa:mips4, and target proc R12k |
| 06:30.19 | Bluer | and n32 abi |
| 06:30.30 | Bluer | the binary is way faster and much more responsive |
| 06:32.21 | tarco | whats that |
| 06:35.33 | Bluer | tarco, compiling bzflag on irix |
| 06:36.57 | brlcad | SportChick: sometimes, though my sentance structure was horrid in that last comment |
| 06:37.41 | SportChick | brlcad: I read it 4-5 times and didn't understand anymore in the last reading than I did the first |
| 06:39.52 | brlcad | better put would have been something like "autogen.sh generates a cross-platform configure script that is only limited by the version of autoconf/automake that you have installed" albeit includes a hint less information |
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| 06:40.16 | SportChick | and I still don't understand that, so :p |
| 06:40.32 | tarco | oh ok ty |
| 06:43.21 | Bluer | brlcad, I asked L4m3r to generate the script on his system, as I don't have the gnu stuff on my system, and building/installing them is a bit of a pain. The configure worked nicely, I passed many C/Cpp flags to it, and copied curses.h to the include folder of bzflag and made the change from bool to foo, and it compiled |
| 06:43.27 | Bluer | bzadmin, however, didn't compile |
| 06:43.56 | Bluer | it complained about an object defined and not used or so, can't recall. compilation was terminated |
| 06:44.09 | Bluer | but bzfs (which is the only thing I need) was successfull |
| 06:44.53 | brlcad | sounds about right |
| 06:45.13 | brlcad | bzadmin likely failed due to a bug in the irix curses.h header |
| 06:45.25 | brlcad | er, though you supposedly fixed that.. |
| 06:45.27 | Bluer | something other than bool>foo ? |
| 06:45.32 | Bluer | oh |
| 06:45.52 | Bluer | found the error, its: |
| 06:47.18 | Bluer | ld32: ERROR 33: Unresolved text symbol "bzApiString::~bzApiString(void)" -- 1st referenced by BZAdminClient.o |
| 06:47.27 | brlcad | ah |
| 06:47.38 | brlcad | yeah, that requires a different header fix to a bz header |
| 06:47.50 | brlcad | there's a declaration in one of the headers that shouldn't be there |
| 06:48.25 | brlcad | that change was made in the copy I'd edited if you still have that handy, in the include/ dir |
| 06:48.38 | Bluer | I do, yes |
| 06:48.42 | Bluer | which header is it? |
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| 06:48.52 | brlcad | i don't recall |
| 06:48.58 | brlcad | if I used emacs, there should be a ~ file |
| 06:49.15 | brlcad | or just diff the dir against what you ahve |
| 06:52.54 | Bluer | yes |
| 06:52.55 | Bluer | found it |
| 06:53.00 | Bluer | global.h~ |
| 06:53.09 | brlcad | sounds about right |
| 06:53.18 | brlcad | diff global.h to global.h~ |
| 06:53.34 | brlcad | should be something trivial |
| 06:54.42 | Bluer | bz_eTeamType convertTeam ( TeamColor team ); |
| 06:55.00 | brlcad | though I just hacked it as I went along, changing it might push an error onto bzfs without moving the decl to the bzfs.h header |
| 06:55.02 | Bluer | TeamColor convertTeam ( bz_eTeamType team ); |
| 06:55.06 | Bluer | these two lines |
| 06:55.56 | Bluer | I already have the bzfs binary, you mean incompatabilites between bzadmin and bzfs? |
| 06:55.58 | brlcad | if you change that header, you'll need to compile all the libraries in order to get bzadmin to compile (because the libs you already have built are what contain the undefinied bzApiString symbol) |
| 06:56.19 | brlcad | no no, not incompatibilities.. just compilation issues |
| 06:56.35 | brlcad | if you don't need bzadmin, I'd just leave well enough alone frankly |
| 06:56.43 | brlcad | at least until you actually do need it |
| 06:57.13 | Bluer | so what to do now? copy global.h~ to replace global.h ? |
| 06:57.15 | Bluer | I actually do |
| 06:57.24 | Bluer | its not important, but it'd be nice to have it |
| 06:58.22 | brlcad | no, ~ is the original.. global.h is what I edited |
| 06:58.59 | brlcad | theoretically, you could just copy that global.h, remove the compiled libraires (manually) and recompile and all should work fine |
| 06:59.20 | Bluer | ok, "make distclean", then copy replace global.h, then recompile? |
| 06:59.28 | Bluer | oh |
| 07:00.29 | brlcad | no |
| 07:00.56 | brlcad | as I said, if you clobber everything, it'll probably fail on bzfs unless you add the right decls to bzfs.h that it's expecting |
| 07:01.15 | Bluer | actually, the diff I made earlier was between global.h (from the original 2.0.9) and global.h~ (from the one you edited) |
| 07:01.21 | brlcad | i'm suggesting to just delete the lib objects and libs themselves, no more no less |
| 07:01.23 | Bluer | and the difference was as laid above |
| 07:01.40 | Bluer | I just did another between the global.h~ and global.h from the same tarball you edited |
| 07:01.44 | Bluer | and the difference is: |
| 07:01.53 | Bluer | > include "bzfsAPI.h" |
| 07:02.23 | brlcad | yeah, that include should definitely not be in global.h |
| 07:02.40 | brlcad | that's what's causing the undefined symbols |
| 07:03.26 | Bluer | I commented it out |
| 07:07.59 | Bluer | I tried recompiling, and now it complains about the eTeamType stuff I wrote above |
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| 07:12.02 | Bluer | I removed the two lines |
| 07:12.09 | Bluer | its compiling |
| 07:12.10 | Bluer | looks good |
| 07:22.28 | Bluer | stopped again |
| 07:25.07 | brlcad | once yet again.. it's not going to be a clean fix that will fix things so that they build everything from scratch without more edits |
| 07:25.19 | brlcad | that was only to fix the libraries so that bzadmin can link correctly |
| 07:25.35 | brlcad | if you blew away bzfs, it's just going to halt there now |
| 07:25.57 | brlcad | or even if you just let it traverse to it even |
| 07:26.16 | Bluer | what do I do to compile bzadmin only? |
| 07:26.17 | brlcad | just cd to each of the dirs, do a clean and make then go to bzadmin and make |
| 07:26.30 | Bluer | it won't |
| 07:26.39 | Bluer | when I make in bzadmin dir, it says make all-am |
| 07:27.09 | brlcad | s/each of the dirs/each of the library dirs/ |
| 07:27.11 | Bluer | oh no, its fine now |
| 07:28.27 | Bluer | bzadmin compiled successfully! many thanks |
| 07:28.34 | Bluer | this actually is all I need |
| 07:28.36 | Bluer | bzfs and bzadmin |
| 07:28.44 | Bluer | thank you :) |
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| 07:48.06 | Flash | brlcad: would you like to help me figure out my link problem on Mac OS 10.3? |
| 07:49.08 | brlcad | Flash: better to just specify the problem succintly and see who responsds ;) |
| 07:49.50 | brlcad | compilation/linking problems are usually rather general and can be easily fixed by any of the core devs with the right info |
| 07:50.30 | Flash | ok; I've been down this path before, but.... |
| 07:50.37 | Flash | fink is gone |
| 07:50.42 | brlcad | ah right |
| 07:50.49 | brlcad | fink bustage guy :) |
| 07:50.53 | Flash | ld: ActionBinding.o illegal reference to symbol: std::_Rb_tree_rotate_left(std::_Rb_tree_node_base*, std::_Rb_tree_node_base*&) defined in indirectly referenced dynamic library /usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib |
| 07:51.08 | Flash | I don't think fink is relevant in this case, but what do I know? |
| 07:51.32 | Flash | is there a template cache somewhere that could be honked? |
| 07:52.40 | brlcad | no, shouldn't be |
| 07:53.16 | brlcad | (thinking) |
| 07:53.37 | brlcad | seems like compiler mixed code |
| 07:53.56 | brlcad | like some stuff is/was still compiled from when fink was installed, and other stuff wasn't |
| 07:54.14 | Flash | I'm a total xcode noob; can I get xcode to pull from cvs? |
| 07:54.31 | brlcad | or getting two versions of gcc interfering somewhere |
| 07:54.32 | Flash | I did a make clean; autoconfig; make |
| 07:54.43 | brlcad | autoconfig? |
| 07:54.54 | Flash | autogen? |
| 07:54.59 | brlcad | k |
| 07:55.12 | Flash | autogen.sh ... yeah, that's it |
| 07:55.25 | brlcad | you would have also had to run configure after that (again) |
| 07:55.30 | Flash | right |
| 07:55.47 | brlcad | what version of gcc are you using? |
| 07:55.50 | brlcad | gcc_select |
| 07:56.04 | Flash | gcc version 3.3 20030304 (Apple Computer, Inc. build 1666) |
| 07:56.39 | brlcad | ahh |
| 07:56.50 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 07:56.52 | brlcad | therein lies the issue i believe |
| 07:57.44 | brlcad | if i'm not mistaken, on 10.3 apple updated libstdc++.dylib in a manner that is actually incompatible with versions of gcc prior to 4 |
| 07:58.07 | Flash | can I find a binary dist of gcc 4 for 10.3? |
| 07:58.23 | brlcad | you can/could |
| 07:58.28 | brlcad | it's pretty simple to compile gcc even |
| 07:58.40 | brlcad | but you can probably also work around the problem |
| 07:59.05 | brlcad | do you see -lstdc++ on the link line? |
| 07:59.11 | Flash | I was trying to use fink to download/build gcc before I bagged it |
| 07:59.16 | brlcad | you shouldn't need that with gcc 3.3 |
| 07:59.33 | brlcad | (that being the -l option) |
| 08:00.07 | Flash | looking at the shell output is too hard... which file is it in? |
| 08:00.32 | brlcad | heh |
| 08:00.55 | brlcad | it's even harder to look into a file |
| 08:01.07 | Flash | but I can use search in a file |
| 08:01.33 | brlcad | it's not that simple |
| 08:01.45 | brlcad | there's logic in there that you have to pay attention to |
| 08:02.01 | Flash | ok, but if I can't even find the switch.... |
| 08:02.02 | brlcad | otherwise simply having stdc++ be in there somewhere is useless to know |
| 08:02.33 | brlcad | the link line is the last line that has g++ before all the warnings/errors start spewing |
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| 08:02.55 | Flash | right, I understand that |
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| 08:04.53 | brlcad | this sort of summarizes the problem: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/index.php?title=Mac_OS_X_Build_Prerequisites&printable=yes |
| 08:05.03 | brlcad | down at the bullet that begins with "After installing QuickTime 7.0.4 on Mac OS X 10.3.9, the build fails..." |
| 08:06.39 | brlcad | you can't easily change the SDK in use without knowing a fair bit more knowledge about what's going on for your system and how to go about the change |
| 08:07.16 | brlcad | which is to say that you can probably downgrade quicktime, but still need to make sure -lstdc++ isn't on the link line when using 3.3 |
| 08:10.29 | Flash | OK, so I want to take out the lstdc++ from the link line... where? |
| 08:10.53 | Flash | ./Dev-C++/bzflag.dev:Linker=-lmingw32 -lstdc++ -lsdlmain -lsdl -lcurl -lws2_32 -ldsound -lwinmm -lglu32 -lopengl32 -lkernel32 -luser32 -lgdi32 -lwinspool -lcomdlg32 -ladvapi32 -lshell32 -lole32 -loleaut32 -luuid -lodbc32 -lodbccp32_@@_ |
| 08:10.57 | Flash | there? |
| 08:11.15 | brlcad | that file has nothing to do with you |
| 08:11.32 | brlcad | if you don't go about the approach I'm suggesting, you're just going to waste both our time |
| 08:11.39 | brlcad | searching files isn't the way to go |
| 08:11.49 | Flash | I'm trying to understand your approach. |
| 08:11.58 | Flash | you don't want -lstdc++ on the link line |
| 08:12.09 | brlcad | you need to identify the compilation/link line |
| 08:12.35 | brlcad | from the actual output |
| 08:12.37 | Flash | from the shell output? |
| 08:13.20 | Flash | ok, I have it |
| 08:13.51 | brlcad | if it's not more than 5 lines, paste it here, otherwise use pastebin |
| 08:14.06 | Flash | well, it's one LONG line ;-) |
| 08:14.56 | brlcad | what's the version of quicktime you have installed? |
| 08:15.15 | Flash | http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php?dl=821731 |
| 08:15.46 | brlcad | otool -L /System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/QuickTime | grep stdc++ |
| 08:16.21 | brlcad | ah, that's a good sign |
| 08:16.28 | Flash | /usr/lib/libstdc++.6.dylib (compatibility version 7.0.0, current version 7.4.0) |
| 08:16.36 | brlcad | -lstdc++ isn't on the link line, which means it's coming from.. that |
| 08:18.29 | brlcad | so you either have to 1) downgrade quicktime to something pre 7.0.4 or 2) install a gcc 4.0 (preferably from source) |
| 08:18.41 | brlcad | it's pretty easily to compile, I'd suggest that route myself |
| 08:18.55 | Flash | ok. I'll play with GCC for now. thanks. |
| 08:19.10 | brlcad | avoid fink's though.. |
| 08:19.17 | Flash | ok |
| 08:19.22 | brlcad | that'd just bringing in a different set of problems |
| 08:19.41 | Flash | This is very frustrating to me, because it's a totally different world of software development than the one I live in |
| 08:20.04 | Flash | I feel like I *should* be more competent than this |
| 08:20.27 | brlcad | well you're also hamstrung due to the oops that apple did last year that they couldn't easily fix |
| 08:20.43 | brlcad | it's been long fixed since 10.4 came out, but then you're not on 10.4 ;) |
| 08:26.38 | Flash | looking at the gcc directory, do I need to individually download each laguage piece? It doesn't look like there is a single roll-up distribution |
| 08:27.12 | brlcad | there is a single tarball |
| 08:27.23 | brlcad | the non-core one |
| 08:27.46 | Flash | ok, so I got gcc-4.1.1.tar.bz2 |
| 08:27.55 | brlcad | that looks right |
| 08:27.59 | Flash | and I don't need to worry now about core or c++ or anything else. |
| 08:28.09 | brlcad | right, that should be fine |
| 08:28.34 | brlcad | you'll want to only enable c and c++ probably via configure |
| 08:29.12 | brlcad | otherwise compiling gfortran and company have a few dependencies (e.g. mpfr, gmp) |
| 08:29.34 | brlcad | default install dir of /usr/local should be fine |
| 08:29.58 | Flash | I just checked and my Apple-supplied gcc is in /usr/bin |
| 08:30.03 | Flash | for whatever that is worth |
| 08:31.01 | brlcad | yep |
| 08:31.13 | brlcad | leave /usr/bin alone(!) |
| 08:31.27 | brlcad | leave the apple stuff alone altogether as a firm rule |
| 08:32.17 | brlcad | no deleting, removing, modifying, etc .. just add to /usr/local or /usr/gnu etc |
| 08:32.39 | Flash | ok, this will take me a while. Thanks for your help. You've been very patient with my (grrr) noobness |
| 08:32.56 | brlcad | np |
| 08:33.21 | brlcad | good luck with gcc .. i did compile it on 10.3 just a week ago or so, for what it's worth |
| 08:33.59 | brlcad | the docs are rather clear on what to do and how to proceed if you don't want to wing it |
| 08:34.57 | Flash | ok..... guess I'll look more carefully for the docs ;-) |
| 08:35.17 | Flash | right now, I'm watching the fruits of "./configure; make" |
| 08:38.28 | brlcad | heh |
| 08:38.39 | brlcad | that should try to compile everything iirc |
| 08:38.57 | Flash | (backing up... looks like I should at least specify a --prefix) |
| 08:38.58 | brlcad | which should at least fail on gfortran if it doesn't autodisable |
| 08:39.09 | brlcad | default is /usr/local, which should be fine |
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| 08:55.44 | Flash | After I get gcc built, do I just make sure /usr/local/bin is first in my path, or do I pass some arguments to autogen.sh ?? |
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| 08:58.10 | brlcad | Flash: yes, first in path |
| 08:58.39 | brlcad | or you can just override CC and CXX during configure |
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| 17:47.56 | SportChick | hi TimRiker |
| 17:48.03 | SportChick | TimRiker: jbot seems to need a restart |
| 17:50.34 | TimRiker | SportChick: what's up with jbot? |
| 17:51.19 | TimRiker | ~seen andersee |
| 17:51.21 | ibot | andersee is currently on #oe (1h 54m 3s) #uclibc (1h 54m 3s) #elinux (1h 54m 3s), last said: 'khem: thx'. |
| 17:52.26 | SportChick | it isn't responding to anything |
| 17:52.28 | SportChick | TimRiker: so I'm guessing maybe a restart isin order? |
| 17:53.11 | SportChick | TimRiker: weird |
| 17:53.17 | SportChick | it's not working at all on ##essy |
| 17:54.38 | SportChick | TimRiker: he hasn't responded in close to an hour on ##essy |
| 17:56.55 | SportChick | TimRiker: whatever you did, he's responding now, thanks |
| 18:03.27 | CBG | It seems <action>s are broken. |
| 18:03.32 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, you probalby hugged it to death |
| 18:03.38 | CBG | ~bonk SportChick |
| 18:03.43 | SportChick | JeffM2501: :( |
| 18:03.46 | CBG | ~literal cmd: bonk (.*?) |
| 18:03.47 | ibot | "cmd: bonk (.*?)" is "($1): <action> bonks $1 over the head" |
| 18:03.56 | CBG | ~literal cmd: hug (.*?) |
| 18:03.58 | ibot | "cmd: hug (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (gets a running start and tackle-hugs $1 | hugs $1 | jumps into $1's lap and huggles and *hugs* $1 | hugs $1 tightly until $1 turns slightly blue | sneaks up on $1 and suddenly hugs $1 tightly)" |
| 18:04.02 | CBG | ~hug SportChick |
| 18:04.12 | CBG | It's there, just won't do any <actioN> factoids. |
| 18:04.18 | CBG | TimRiker: ^ |
| 18:04.21 | TimRiker | silly bot. |
| 18:04.24 | TimRiker | ibot: die |
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| 18:16.19 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is 2.1 and for all new commits || http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9453 |
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| 18:20.53 | CBG | ~hug me |
| 18:20.54 | ibot | ACTION jumps into cbg's lap and huggles and *hugs* cbg |
| 18:20.55 | CBG | ~literal cmd: hug (.*?) |
| 18:20.56 | ibot | "cmd: hug (.*?)" is "($1): <action> (gets a running start and tackle-hugs $1 | hugs $1 | jumps into $1's lap and huggles and *hugs* $1 | hugs $1 tightly until $1 turns slightly blue | sneaks up on $1 and suddenly hugs $1 tightly)" |
| 18:21.19 | CBG | yay, thanks TimRiker |
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| 18:24.30 | SportChick | ~timriker++ |
| 18:24.49 | TimRiker | not sure he's back for good yet... |
| 18:25.39 | SportChick | TimRiker: ok |
| 18:25.51 | SportChick | TimRiker: what was wrong? |
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| 18:26.31 | Ck_asdf | hey, all |
| 18:26.49 | SportChick | hi Ck_asdf |
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| 18:27.23 | Ck_asdf | this is pretty cool ... never dealt with irc before - just the other "big" chat clients ... Y!, MSN, AIM ... |
| 18:27.33 | Ck_asdf | so, how's bzland today? |
| 18:27.49 | Ck_asdf | anyone check out that new map spazzy made the other day? pretty rad |
| 18:27.54 | SportChick | Ck_asdf: fine, I believe, but this channel isn't a chat channel |
| 18:28.03 | SportChick | Ck_asdf: you should /join #bzchat instead |
| 18:28.18 | Ck_asdf | oh, sorry... |
| 18:28.26 | Ck_asdf | what's the purpose for this channel? |
| 18:28.27 | SportChick | np :) |
| 18:28.39 | SportChick | this channel is for the development of bzflag |
| 18:28.46 | Ck_asdf | that's cool |
| 18:28.47 | SportChick | and asking technical questions, etc |
| 18:28.56 | Ck_asdf | cool, then I have a question ... |
| 18:29.21 | Ck_asdf | I have linux, and according to someone else, Constitution I think ... plugins aren't supported by the native install of bz? |
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| 18:31.57 | Ck_asdf | he said to download from cvs, or something, but I wasn't sure how to do it. |
| 18:32.02 | Ck_asdf | in fact, I can give you a link ... one moment |
| 18:32.29 | Ck_asdf | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9249 |
| 18:36.43 | Ck_asdf | any suggestions for help? |
| 18:37.23 | blast007 | you should have a 'cvs' command |
| 18:37.44 | blast007 | the SF.net page for bzflag ( http://sf.net/projects/bzflag ) has a link to get the CVS commands |
| 18:37.58 | Ck_asdf | k, I'll check it out - thanks |
| 18:38.03 | blast007 | ~bz20cvs |
| 18:38.16 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 18:38.16 | CBG | See the CVS section of the bzbb. |
| 18:38.58 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the debian install doson't come with any plugins |
| 18:39.10 | JeffM2501 | but you can build from cvs or the source tarball |
| 18:39.22 | JeffM2501 | or even the source deb package and get plugin support |
| 18:39.28 | TimRiker | ibot: die |
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| 19:32.37 | brlcad | JeffM2501: ready to upgrade supybot |
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| 19:33.07 | brlcad | ports is listed as 0.83.2 |
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| 19:35.13 | master_tux | hi |
| 19:35.21 | brlcad | installed now, apparently a lot of changes to the way plugins work in this version |
| 19:36.11 | master_tux | what version are you talking about |
| 19:37.54 | JeffM2501 | ok so I guess I just restart her |
| 19:38.21 | brlcad | theoretically |
| 19:38.29 | brlcad | might be config changes |
| 19:38.39 | JeffM2501 | gack... on a system with a real terminal..must adjust |
| 19:38.48 | brlcad | i don't know how you're supposed to upgrade, relnotes has no specific instructions |
| 19:38.49 | JeffM2501 | if it's too bad I'll just redo a new config |
| 19:38.58 | JeffM2501 | she was just running a default config |
| 19:39.31 | JeffM2501 | asuming I can actualy ssh in from the tosh |
| 19:39.44 | brlcad | only instruction provided was "supybot-wizard" still |
| 19:40.46 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah, new config time :) |
| 19:46.35 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, can you install pySQLLite? |
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| 19:52.11 | JeffM2501 | guu version |
| 19:52.13 | Guu | JeffM2501: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.1+darcs. The newest version available online is 0.83.2. |
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| 19:53.49 | brlcad | installed |
| 19:53.55 | BinarySpike | Firefox is sweeeet, I'm in ChatZilla out of firefox :-D |
| 19:53.57 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
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| 20:03.53 | JeffM2501 | hmm still says it can't find slqlite |
| 20:04.33 | Flash | is asking for help getting gcc to compile too off-topic? |
| 20:04.54 | JeffM2501 | what do you compile a compiler with |
| 20:05.11 | Flash | serious or hypothetical? |
| 20:05.12 | orchid | hmm |
| 20:06.44 | blast007 | Flash: do you mean compiling bzflag with gcc, or did you mean compiling gcc? |
| 20:07.21 | Flash | I mean compiling gcc; we've already determined that I can't compile bzflag with the gcc that came on my system |
| 20:07.40 | blast007 | what version? |
| 20:07.43 | Flash | gcc 3.3 and Quicktime 7 don't get along; I'm trying to upgrade to 4.1.1 |
| 20:07.54 | blast007 | oh...mac |
| 20:07.59 | Flash | yup |
| 20:08.03 | blast007 | ewww |
| 20:08.05 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:08.11 | blast007 | that might be fun then |
| 20:09.17 | JeffM2501 | you can downdate your Qt |
| 20:09.21 | JeffM2501 | that's the proper solution |
| 20:09.28 | JeffM2501 | get the 7.01, not 7.02 |
| 20:10.04 | BinarySpike | um... you can download gcc 3.4 for mac off the internet... lol |
| 20:10.21 | BinarySpike | so I bet you could get later versions as well... |
| 20:11.11 | BinarySpike | I stick with 3.3 though, it doesn't complain nearly as much as versions before it or after (coding wise) |
| 20:11.29 | CBG | Flash: ahh, I have this problem. :) |
| 20:11.47 | CBG | You need to get back to QuickTime 7.0.1 |
| 20:11.51 | blast007 | didn't something else need the newer QT though? |
| 20:11.59 | CBG | Garageband does. |
| 20:12.02 | blast007 | ah |
| 20:12.05 | CBG | So if you use that... :/ |
| 20:12.14 | CBG | Maybe try getting a newer GCC. |
| 20:12.22 | Flash | that's why I was trying to update gcc |
| 20:12.38 | CBG | hehe |
| 20:12.49 | JeffM2501 | or upgrade to 10.4 ;) |
| 20:12.58 | CBG | Well, if you don't actually use garageband, downgrading quicktime might be simpler. |
| 20:13.26 | Flash | I'm not seeing 7.0.1 available for download |
| 20:13.37 | blast007 | Flash: there is a downdate tool thingy |
| 20:13.46 | CBG | I should have the files here, I can host them for you if you trust me. |
| 20:14.34 | Flash | I see a 6.5.2 download! |
| 20:14.39 | CBG | Flash: what version of QT do you have now? |
| 20:15.36 | CBG | Ahh, I found the page that I followed when I did it: http://fox-gieg.com/tutorials/2005/undo-quicktime-7/ |
| 20:15.45 | Flash | we figured that out last night, but I accidentally quit and lost my history |
| 20:16.16 | CBG | IIRC, I went back to version 6.something, then back up to 7.0.1 |
| 20:18.14 | CBG | Flash: wait.. I remember now. |
| 20:18.22 | CBG | I followed the "SPECIAL STEPS for Newer Quicktime 7 Users" ONLY. |
| 20:18.32 | CBG | That should do exactly what you need. |
| 20:19.36 | Flash | thanks, I'm downloading and printing now |
| 20:19.46 | CBG | have fun |
| 20:19.52 | BinarySpike | Good Luck Flash. |
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| 20:24.34 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, did you see anything with that png stuff? |
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| 21:41.21 | blast007 | I'm getting quite a bit of "Too much UDP traffic, will hope to catch up later" on my server right now, with one player, and one bzadmin client |
| 21:41.38 | blast007 | not sure if the one player is doing something unusual |
| 21:41.40 | brlcad | JeffM2501: mostly poked at the build system to get stuff compiling cleanly since you weren't around when I had a png question (which I've sense forgotten) ;) |
| 21:41.55 | blast007 | this is the first time I've seen this message.. |
| 21:41.59 | blast007 | is it a real issue? |
| 21:42.56 | brlcad | blast007: yeah, the server throws that message when the udp queue fills up |
| 21:43.25 | brlcad | i.e. it's not processing the udp packets fast enough either because there are too many of them, or the server is overloaded, or both |
| 21:43.55 | blast007 | *cough* probably the latter |
| 21:43.57 | brlcad | a couple clients wouldn't have too much trouble starving out a bzfs if they're on the same host |
| 21:44.05 | blast007 | it's 133Mhz |
| 21:44.09 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:44.21 | blast007 | running several other things including mysql, PHP, and perl ;) |
| 21:44.22 | brlcad | that's more than enough for bzfs, but not with an unthrottled client |
| 21:45.47 | blast007 | the main problem is likely memory usage |
| 21:46.01 | blast007 | I'm using 70MB of swap right now (32MB of real memory) |
| 21:48.20 | brlcad | that could do it |
| 21:50.31 | master_tux | what does a swap do? I never really understood it |
| 21:51.00 | L4m3r | it's "pretend memory" (lol) |
| 21:51.10 | blast007 | it's when you run out of RAM, the system uses hard disk space to provide an "overflow" |
| 21:51.16 | blast007 | which is considerably slower |
| 21:51.40 | master_tux | so, if I dont have a swap, and I get a ram overflow, it will just fry my processor? |
| 21:51.50 | blast007 | uh, no |
| 21:51.55 | L4m3r | no, it'll just bog down your system |
| 21:51.57 | blast007 | stuff just won't run |
| 21:52.00 | L4m3r | (more) |
| 21:52.04 | PuMpErNiCkLe | No, on a sensible OS, the overflowing app will get killed. |
| 21:52.27 | L4m3r | or the app itself will fail to allocate memory and crash |
| 21:52.29 | master_tux | is the only time I can create a swap during installation? or can I make one from the console? |
| 21:52.39 | blast007 | master_tux: you can add one later |
| 21:52.42 | L4m3r | on linux, I take it? |
| 21:52.47 | master_tux | slackware |
| 21:52.59 | blast007 | though I once made the mistake of changing my swap file while I was using it :/ |
| 21:53.02 | blast007 | only did _that_ once |
| 21:53.18 | L4m3r | well, you can add one to the disk and add it to /etc/fstab... that is the right file, right? |
| 21:53.49 | master_tux | umm |
| 21:54.01 | L4m3r | yes, /etc/fstab |
| 21:54.14 | L4m3r | this is the line I have for my swap: |
| 21:54.25 | L4m3r | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:54.46 | blast007 | that's assuming he uses a partition and not a file |
| 21:54.53 | L4m3r | oh, yes. :) |
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| 21:54.58 | blast007 | he probably didn't create one |
| 21:55.21 | L4m3r | I've got my swap on a different drive than the root partition |
| 21:55.26 | blast007 | yeah |
| 21:55.41 | L4m3r | along with /home and a windows swap |
| 21:55.43 | master_tux | I made my partitions in Partition Magic |
| 21:55.56 | blast007 | eww |
| 21:55.57 | blast007 | ;) |
| 21:56.08 | L4m3r | to me or master_tux? |
| 21:56.09 | blast007 | I guess that works though |
| 21:56.14 | blast007 | to mt |
| 21:56.18 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:56.27 | L4m3r | I usually use a part. magic boot CD |
| 21:56.39 | blast007 | I use cfdisk |
| 21:56.53 | L4m3r | something my friend gave me... "Windows XP 8in1 SP1" |
| 21:56.59 | master_tux | uhh |
| 21:57.04 | L4m3r | but the windows part doesn't work :D |
| 21:57.09 | master_tux | can cfdisk compare to partition magic? |
| 21:57.21 | L4m3r | so I just keep it for the utilities it has |
| 21:58.17 | blast007 | cfdisk is in a terminal |
| 21:58.23 | blast007 | and the slackware install disk includes it |
| 21:58.28 | master_tux | i know |
| 21:58.39 | master_tux | that how I created my ext3 out of a FAT partition |
| 21:58.54 | blast007 | Partition Magic can create ext3 as well |
| 21:59.08 | master_tux | I never tried |
| 21:59.42 | L4m3r | that neat windows ext2 driver can't do ext3 journaling, so I'm stuck with ext2 |
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| 22:36.31 | Flash | I downgraded QuickTime to 7.0.1 (thanks CBG) and finally got the build from source working |
| 22:36.52 | Flash | now the whole point of this was to check out the collision detection client |
| 22:36.58 | Flash | how does that work? |
| 22:37.15 | CBG | Flash: glad it worked for you (so far) :) |
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| 22:55.28 | Flash | anyone know how to get the collision detection stats? |
| 22:55.51 | blast007 | uh...I did know... |
| 22:56.00 | blast007 | forgot now, and I can't look at my config |
| 22:57.26 | blast007 | ah, /localset showVelocities 3 |
| 22:57.37 | blast007 | it's not totally accurate though |
| 22:57.46 | blast007 | genocide messes up the numbers |
| 23:24.46 | Flash | blast007: I don't know what I'm looking at |
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| 23:41.41 | blast007 | Flash: are you an observer? |
| 23:44.02 | Flash | yes |
| 23:45.51 | blast007 | should be stuff in the top right, and there should be "ReportedHits" and "ComputedHits" |
| 23:45.59 | blast007 | if you did the /localset |
| 23:47.43 | Flash | no, I just have velocity info |
| 23:47.57 | Flash | I'm thinking I just have the stock 2.0.8, though |
| 23:48.09 | blast007 | 2.0.8 doesn't even have velocity |
| 23:48.09 | Flash | it took so long to get through compiling it, I got distracted |
| 23:48.11 | blast007 | afaik |
| 23:48.22 | blast007 | is this from the v2_0branch CVS? |
| 23:48.24 | Flash | it has *some* stuff |
| 23:48.27 | Flash | yes |
| 23:48.33 | blast007 | then it will have this stuff |
| 23:48.46 | blast007 | hit n, and type: /localset showVelocities 3 |
| 23:48.54 | blast007 | "showVelocities" is case sensitive |
| 23:49.00 | Flash | it shows Linear Speed, Vertical Speed, Angular Speed, and shot info |
| 23:49.30 | CBG | yep |
| 23:49.37 | CBG | that's it |
| 23:49.41 | Flash | well..... it's been a long time since I did the CVS pull, so I don't exactly remember what label I pulled from |
| 23:49.57 | Flash | but it doesn't show computed hits or reported hits |
| 23:50.29 | blast007 | exit the client, and open your config file |
| 23:50.51 | blast007 | ~/.bzf/2.0/config.cfg (or something like that) |
| 23:51.12 | blast007 | or is it different on OSX? |
| 23:51.23 | brlcad | it's different |
| 23:51.36 | brlcad | ~/Library/Application\ Support/BZFlag |
| 23:51.42 | blast007 | there they go again, Thinking Different ;) |
| 23:51.52 | blast007 | though I guess it's more like Windows |
| 23:52.24 | CBG | blast007: ? |
| 23:52.51 | blast007 | CBG: nothing |
| 23:52.55 | blast007 | brlcad was faster |
| 23:52.56 | Flash | and? |
| 23:53.12 | blast007 | Flash: and look for the "set showVelocities" line |
| 23:53.25 | Flash | yes |
| 23:53.32 | blast007 | what value does it have? |
| 23:53.35 | Flash | 3 |
| 23:53.37 | blast007 | hrm |
| 23:53.41 | CBG | Or look under the GUI options... |
| 23:54.30 | CBG | Off(0), On(1), or On with extra Detail(2). |
| 23:54.47 | blast007 | oh, there's a setting? :/ |
| 23:54.59 | CBG | Yes. |
| 23:55.06 | blast007 | ~bonk blast007 |
| 23:55.08 | ibot | ACTION bonks blast007 over the head |
| 23:55.08 | Flash | different ways to set the same thing, yes? |
| 23:55.10 | CBG | But /localset showVelocities works also. |
| 23:55.16 | blast007 | Flash: yeah |
| 23:55.17 | CBG | Set it to 1 or 2. |
| 23:55.21 | blast007 | the way you have it should work |
| 23:55.26 | blast007 | CBG: no, 3 |
| 23:55.30 | CBG | (anything greater than 2 sets it to 2 anyway) |
| 23:55.38 | blast007 | if (BZDB.evalInt("showVelocities") > 2) |
| 23:55.43 | CBG | blast007: there are 3 options,0, 1 and 2. |
| 23:55.44 | blast007 | then the menu won't work |
| 23:55.48 | CBG | I tried it dude. |
| 23:55.56 | CBG | anything over 2 is the same as 2. |
| 23:56.19 | Flash | ok, enlighten the cvs noob and let me pull the 2.0 branch again |
| 23:56.22 | CBG | Though my CVS is quite old, maybe it changed :/ |
| 23:56.28 | CBG | ~bz20cvs |
| 23:56.29 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 23:56.46 | Flash | from my bzflag directory? |
| 23:56.53 | blast007 | you can just update too |
| 23:56.57 | blast007 | don't need a full checkout |
| 23:57.13 | blast007 | 'cvs update' should work, but I think there is something else you add |
| 23:57.18 | blast007 | I use a GUI for CVS :P |
| 23:57.29 | Flash | are you on a Mac? |
| 23:57.45 | Flash | I suppose I could create an Eclipse project for it... |
| 23:58.10 | blast007 | no, I'm on Windows |