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| 18:39.12 | razeryan | hey gyro |
| 18:39.48 | razeryan | type /join |
| 18:39.54 | razeryan | then #kierra |
| 18:40.27 | razeryan | so its /join #kierra |
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| 19:18.22 | DTRemenak|RDP | seriously? there shouldn't be any personally identifiable information in most of them... |
| 19:18.51 | JeffM2501 | the base verbage of the law, says ANY info |
| 19:19.00 | JeffM2501 | including stuff they post |
| 19:19.05 | JeffM2501 | and I hate having the guest posts around |
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| 19:19.43 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:19.47 | JeffM2501 | but rule of thumb for all under 13's out there, don't ask for fourm admin :) |
| 19:20.38 | JeffM2501 | specialy when you just get done geting your posting privilges back |
| 19:20.50 | tannerld | lol |
| 19:24.49 | JeffM2501 | and DTRemenak some of his posts did, he was posting about where he lived, etc.. |
| 19:24.57 | JeffM2501 | and then the post "I am 16" |
| 19:25.19 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:25.58 | JeffM2501 | did you get the semperon to work? |
| 19:26.12 | DTRemenak | typing from it now |
| 19:26.23 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 19:26.26 | JeffM2501 | it any faster? |
| 19:26.35 | DTRemenak | dunno, haven't run any benchmarks yet |
| 19:26.44 | Gnurdux | what did you upgrade from? |
| 19:27.01 | DTRemenak | athlon xp |
| 19:27.10 | Gnurdux | and its a sempron 64? |
| 19:27.12 | JeffM2501 | what video card do you have? |
| 19:27.13 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 19:27.17 | DTRemenak | ti4200 |
| 19:27.28 | Gnurdux | i thought sempron is a stripped down athlon |
| 19:27.34 | JeffM2501 | if you want, monday I"ll swap that for ya with a 6200 |
| 19:27.44 | JeffM2501 | a semperon IS an athalon, no striping |
| 19:27.46 | DTRemenak | the socket a sempron is just an athlon xp |
| 19:27.50 | JeffM2501 | your thinking of durron |
| 19:28.00 | Gnurdux | oh, ok |
| 19:28.05 | Gnurdux | so there basically the same thing |
| 19:28.14 | JeffM2501 | the semperons actualy have higher bus speeds then the XPs |
| 19:28.19 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 19:28.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah, rebus, and rename |
| 19:28.29 | DTRemenak | hm, they do? can this one do 400? |
| 19:28.32 | JeffM2501 | and then they made socket 754 versions |
| 19:28.42 | JeffM2501 | maybe if you OC it |
| 19:28.47 | DTRemenak | bartons could do 333 though |
| 19:28.56 | JeffM2501 | it should have a bus of 166 |
| 19:29.00 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 19:29.11 | JeffM2501 | the mathcing XP for that speed, was 133 |
| 19:29.25 | JeffM2501 | so the sempys went one notch up |
| 19:30.07 | DTRemenak | the barton 3000 was on a 166 bus also |
| 19:30.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:30.24 | DTRemenak | ran at 1.9 though, this one is at 1.67 |
| 19:30.26 | JeffM2501 | some high end XPs were 166 |
| 19:30.50 | JeffM2501 | yeah, they basicly lowerd the internal multipier and incraesed the bus |
| 19:30.58 | JeffM2501 | some smepys OC quite well |
| 19:31.31 | DTRemenak | yeah, looks like the later semprons WERE barton core anyway :) |
| 19:31.43 | JeffM2501 | just a rename |
| 19:31.58 | JeffM2501 | they didn't want to confuse XPs with 64s |
| 19:32.07 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 19:32.12 | JeffM2501 | so that there would only be one "athalon" at a time |
| 19:32.20 | Gnurdux | and now there are the X2s |
| 19:32.28 | Gnurdux | 64 X2s |
| 19:32.36 | DTRemenak | never mind that the 64's run on two completely different hardware platforms anyway... |
| 19:32.37 | Gnurdux | they seem pretty cheap |
| 19:32.56 | JeffM2501 | most users don't know the core diff |
| 19:33.22 | JeffM2501 | on the socket 745 there are both semperons and athalon 64s |
| 19:33.30 | JeffM2501 | socket 754 even |
| 19:33.39 | JeffM2501 | so I can see why some people got confused |
| 19:34.23 | Gnurdux | yea i heard semrpons were the lower-end ones and assumed they were something like celeron |
| 19:34.37 | Gnurdux | you know celeron actually has as much cache as a p4, they just disable most of it |
| 19:34.53 | JeffM2501 | compared to a full 64, sure they are low end |
| 19:35.14 | JeffM2501 | sempys are just 32 bit verisons of the chips |
| 19:35.18 | DTRemenak | Paris-core were a64's without the 64 |
| 19:35.20 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 19:35.37 | Gnurdux | right now if i was building a comp id go with intel |
| 19:35.47 | DTRemenak | palermo-core have the 64 back, but did not get the upgraded cache |
| 19:35.55 | JeffM2501 | cellerons were at one point faster then there P3 cousins |
| 19:36.09 | JeffM2501 | oh celly 333, how I missed you |
| 19:36.17 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 19:36.35 | JeffM2501 | they were stable as hell at 500 |
| 19:37.04 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 19:37.07 | DTRemenak | yup, friend of mine ran one at 667 (full 100% over) for a long time |
| 19:37.27 | DTRemenak | course he called it "the old 666" also :) |
| 19:37.31 | JeffM2501 | oh come on, call it like it is.. 666! |
| 19:37.39 | JeffM2501 | CPU of the beast! |
| 19:38.30 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 19:38.37 | Gnurdux | well 667 is more accurate |
| 19:39.00 | DTRemenak | depends what the actual clockrate is |
| 19:39.05 | Gnurdux | "All users get read and write, but no execute" |
| 19:39.08 | JeffM2501 | if the old one was called 333, then 333 * 2 is 666 |
| 19:39.10 | DTRemenak | most of them are 665.4 |
| 19:39.19 | DTRemenak | which is 1.6 down from 667 |
| 19:39.41 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, but if its 333.333333 then its 666.6666666 thus 667 |
| 19:39.42 | JeffM2501 | and following D&D rules, you round to the next highest round number! |
| 19:39.47 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 19:39.51 | DTRemenak | Gnurdux: most were not 333.3... |
| 19:40.11 | Gnurdux | 332.7? |
| 19:40.18 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 19:40.25 | Gnurdux | interesting |
| 19:43.15 | JeffM2501 | how does one take a screen shot on the mac again? |
| 19:44.56 | DTRemenak | apple-shift-3 or apple-shift-4, iirc |
| 19:46.12 | JeffM2501 | fond an app called "grab" |
| 19:46.16 | JeffM2501 | tho saves as tiff |
| 19:47.26 | JeffM2501 | the new ibzedit macnus is working on has this SUPER tiny 3d window |
| 19:47.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:47.44 | DTRemenak | probably fills his 800x600 screen ;) |
| 19:48.02 | JeffM2501 | it's smaller then that I think |
| 19:50.44 | JeffM2501 | I'm suposed to help him with GL picking code today to IIRC |
| 19:52.44 | DTRemenak | wonderful |
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| 20:02.49 | JeffM2501 | god I hate my mac |
| 20:02.53 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:02.58 | PuMpErNiCkLe | o.O |
| 20:03.08 | JeffM2501 | dhcp == modem freaked |
| 20:03.43 | CBG | JeffM2501: the iBZedit window can be resized to whatever you like... |
| 20:03.54 | JeffM2501 | not on my machine |
| 20:03.59 | JeffM2501 | where do you grab it? |
| 20:04.11 | CBG | bottom right |
| 20:04.14 | JeffM2501 | it had no corner thingy |
| 20:04.19 | CBG | try it anyway |
| 20:04.19 | JeffM2501 | if I click there it just looses focus |
| 20:04.22 | JeffM2501 | I did |
| 20:04.25 | CBG | hmm |
| 20:04.30 | CBG | I'm sure it worked for me. |
| 20:04.34 | JeffM2501 | I'm reporting it to him |
| 20:04.36 | CBG | tried the green button top right? |
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| 20:04.47 | JeffM2501 | I know it'll maximise |
| 20:05.26 | CBG | yeah, works for me. |
| 20:05.38 | CBG | can resize anyway I like by dragging borrom right corner |
| 20:05.49 | JeffM2501 | I can't |
| 20:05.54 | JeffM2501 | probably just a bug |
| 20:06.16 | CBG | guess so. the app's coming along nicely so far |
| 20:09.00 | JeffM2501 | he has a lot further to go, but yeah he seems more on the ball then binary |
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| 20:18.59 | JeffM2501 | I put a post on his fourms with images, of the wackyness |
| 20:19.07 | JeffM2501 | it's a nice phpbb theme he's got there |
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| 20:31.25 | compiler_success | are there compiled binaries for 2.1 somewhere? |
| 20:32.11 | JeffM2501 | not realy |
| 20:32.19 | JeffM2501 | we only make them for all OSs at the end |
| 20:32.23 | JeffM2501 | for release |
| 20:32.58 | JeffM2501 | I may have done some windows testing builds |
| 20:33.00 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 20:33.57 | JeffM2501 | http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.1.x/ |
| 20:33.57 | JeffM2501 | that has an old one |
| 20:33.58 | compiler_success | alright. thanks. I wanted to have a sneak peak at the new features. So is it possible to share the binary ? |
| 20:34.01 | compiler_success | oh, many thansk |
| 20:34.02 | compiler_success | thanks |
| 20:34.16 | JeffM2501 | I can build a new one if you want |
| 20:34.19 | JeffM2501 | I'm bored today |
| 20:34.23 | JeffM2501 | home sick |
| 20:35.00 | compiler_success | if building one would make you feel any better, then please by all means go ahead :) |
| 20:35.15 | JeffM2501 | it'll kill time |
| 20:35.22 | JeffM2501 | farcry was geting to hard |
| 20:35.30 | JeffM2501 | damned deamon monkeys |
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| 20:36.09 | compiler_success | I wouldn't know.. believe it or not the only game I play is BZFlag on my good ol' Geforce2 Go |
| 20:37.34 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, did you see my comment about the GF 6200? |
| 20:37.46 | compiler_success | oh there's another game, but I forgot its name.. planes going around destroying everything or something like that |
| 20:38.43 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah, I think so :) you have an agp one lying around? |
| 20:38.53 | JeffM2501 | it's in the celly |
| 20:38.56 | DTRemenak | ahh |
| 20:38.59 | JeffM2501 | so I'd be cool with a swap |
| 20:39.06 | JeffM2501 | the machine just needs SOME video card |
| 20:39.34 | DTRemenak | I'll bring you my GF3 then, if that's alright...put the 4 in that machine. the 4 has been, eh, modified :) |
| 20:39.43 | compiler_success | a GF6200 is more than SOME card.. by my standards at least |
| 20:40.08 | DTRemenak | it's the one I got with blown caps |
| 20:40.11 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 20:40.14 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:40.31 | JeffM2501 | 6200's are cheap cards, I just got it so I could have something other then onboard video |
| 20:40.44 | DTRemenak | yeah, onboard sucks |
| 20:40.49 | JeffM2501 | I put the X1300 in the 64 bit 3000+ |
| 20:40.54 | compiler_success | big time |
| 20:41.00 | JeffM2501 | so it's not a bad machine now |
| 20:41.03 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 20:41.13 | JeffM2501 | the onboard video on my main motherboard dosn't suck at all |
| 20:41.30 | compiler_success | nvidia on boards are not bad |
| 20:41.36 | JeffM2501 | 6150 |
| 20:41.40 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's cool |
| 20:41.46 | DTRemenak | nvidia makes good stuff :) |
| 20:41.49 | JeffM2501 | I can run 4 heads :) |
| 20:42.12 | DTRemenak | I can run three :) two off the 4200, plus the nForce2's little 4mx |
| 20:42.25 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:42.33 | JeffM2501 | I find it odd that my mobo has a DVI output |
| 20:42.34 | compiler_success | sweet |
| 20:42.38 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:42.59 | DTRemenak | yeah, jerry was saying the 6150's do |
| 20:43.05 | JeffM2501 | not that I ever use it, or the onboard |
| 20:43.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:43.47 | DTRemenak | yeah, I have onboard disabled right now |
| 20:43.56 | JeffM2501 | I'm so very happy that we have Jer as IT |
| 20:44.13 | compiler_success | JeffM2501, how's that compile going? |
| 20:44.14 | DTRemenak | I like the way he runs things |
| 20:44.28 | JeffM2501 | compiler_success, I just got current code |
| 20:44.35 | DTRemenak | and coming from someone who's done IT themselves, that actually means something :) |
| 20:44.44 | compiler_success | oh.. tyt, I was just wondering. |
| 20:44.49 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yeah, and it's not insane |
| 20:45.00 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 20:45.02 | JeffM2501 | he's not insane |
| 20:45.22 | JeffM2501 | the last 2 were, one figuritively, one clinicaly |
| 20:45.45 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:45.55 | DTRemenak | what fun! |
| 20:46.07 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah |
| 20:46.22 | JeffM2501 | denis used to tell me how there were agents in the walls running new cable |
| 20:46.32 | JeffM2501 | to hijack our t1 |
| 20:46.35 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 20:47.06 | JeffM2501 | he puts tape over the "camera holes" in his room |
| 20:47.36 | JeffM2501 | watching the matix WAY too much, and huffing paint can jack you up |
| 20:47.46 | compiler_success | lol |
| 20:47.54 | JeffM2501 | sadly it's not funny |
| 20:48.07 | JeffM2501 | he was a good kid before |
| 20:48.19 | DTRemenak | wow |
| 20:48.36 | compiler_success | it isn't? I find "watching the matrix way too much" comment funny |
| 20:48.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah, diagnosed with brain damage, and paranoid skitzo |
| 20:48.53 | compiler_success | but I don't exactly know what you're talking about |
| 20:49.06 | compiler_success | if it was inappropriate for some reason, then I'm sorry |
| 20:49.07 | JeffM2501 | Carla checks up on him every so often |
| 20:49.23 | JeffM2501 | well no it is funny that he'd latch his paranoia onto that |
| 20:49.43 | JeffM2501 | before the huffing, he was realy full of himself as the "security administrator" |
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| 20:50.43 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:50.52 | compiler_success | what happened? he got his system hacked or so? |
| 20:51.06 | JeffM2501 | he kept thinking he did |
| 20:51.16 | JeffM2501 | he was a rather poor admin when it came to security |
| 20:51.25 | JeffM2501 | so he left our stuff wide open all the time |
| 20:51.28 | JeffM2501 | so we got nailed |
| 20:51.34 | compiler_success | we? |
| 20:51.40 | JeffM2501 | company |
| 20:52.00 | JeffM2501 | used to use exchange for mail, it used to be on the internal network |
| 20:52.07 | JeffM2501 | no es bueno |
| 20:52.13 | compiler_success | oh, when you said he was a good kid I thought you were talking about a teenager |
| 20:52.20 | JeffM2501 | I am |
| 20:52.26 | JeffM2501 | but we emploied him since he was 16 |
| 20:52.30 | JeffM2501 | he started as an assistant |
| 20:52.41 | JeffM2501 | then was the only guy after the rest of his dept moved on |
| 20:52.44 | JeffM2501 | under there old manager |
| 20:53.00 | DTRemenak | wow, you had a whole it department? |
| 20:53.00 | compiler_success | I see |
| 20:53.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:53.17 | JeffM2501 | 3 people at one point |
| 20:53.19 | JeffM2501 | under Don |
| 20:53.20 | compiler_success | what kind of companies? (or post a link to the website) |
| 20:53.23 | DTRemenak | and now jerry does it all :) |
| 20:53.26 | JeffM2501 | after the denis fiasco |
| 20:53.31 | JeffM2501 | we moved it to development |
| 20:53.40 | JeffM2501 | and yeah, hired somone competent :) |
| 20:54.07 | JeffM2501 | when Jamin quit, I told Jer we had an opening, and he was interested |
| 20:54.18 | JeffM2501 | we are paying him a lot more then the other guys, but it's worth it |
| 20:54.47 | compiler_success | what kind of companies are you running? |
| 20:54.56 | JeffM2501 | cad/cam |
| 20:55.08 | JeffM2501 | I don't do IT anymore |
| 20:55.15 | DTRemenak | neither do I :) |
| 20:55.18 | JeffM2501 | tho I am on call for backup if they need help |
| 20:55.22 | DTRemenak | as am I |
| 20:55.23 | JeffM2501 | and I live close |
| 20:55.29 | compiler_success | and the guy's brain was damaged as you said when the company's system were hacked? |
| 20:55.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah but I can open the building at any time :) |
| 20:55.46 | DTRemenak | yup. I'm just around if jerry needs a second set of hands |
| 20:55.59 | JeffM2501 | during the last set of problems, yeah was when he was having the worst of his eppisodes, before he got medical help |
| 20:56.18 | compiler_success | My god |
| 20:57.47 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: we don't have a win32 dir anymore, it's all MSVC |
| 20:57.57 | JeffM2501 | the best part was when he was running a warez server from his desk |
| 20:58.04 | purple_cow | hah |
| 20:58.06 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:58.22 | DTRemenak | and wonders why he gets hacked? :) |
| 20:58.24 | JeffM2501 | I was in the process of moding my xbox, and we were searching for the bios for the modchip |
| 20:58.44 | JeffM2501 | and Jeremy finds one, gets it "man this is coming down fast".. "oh, it's our IP" |
| 20:59.05 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:59.09 | compiler_success | so someone hacked in and stole confidential company files or so? or just "your system got owned" "cool hacker" stuff? |
| 20:59.17 | JeffM2501 | no, nothing like that |
| 20:59.30 | JeffM2501 | they put up a lot of warez, and busted the OS |
| 20:59.46 | JeffM2501 | we couldn't get into the machine, and lost some mail |
| 20:59.53 | compiler_success | so he was running windows? |
| 21:00.06 | JeffM2501 | our entire company runs windows |
| 21:00.11 | DTRemenak | we still are...which means your IT guys have to be competent |
| 21:00.21 | compiler_success | oh |
| 21:00.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah, Jer has like 15 years experience with windows |
| 21:00.49 | DTRemenak | running nix you can get away with slackers, as long as they know basically how to manage the systems |
| 21:00.59 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:01.06 | JeffM2501 | he never managed the linux boxes :) |
| 21:01.08 | JeffM2501 | that was all me |
| 21:01.14 | JeffM2501 | and they will soon be gone |
| 21:01.18 | DTRemenak | yeah, and linux hates you |
| 21:01.22 | DTRemenak | aw |
| 21:01.26 | JeffM2501 | well cept for 1 |
| 21:01.28 | JeffM2501 | we'll keep one |
| 21:01.32 | JeffM2501 | marathon |
| 21:01.56 | compiler_success | FreeBSDs are nice as well |
| 21:02.15 | JeffM2501 | we do so little over the net, it's somewhat pointless |
| 21:02.26 | JeffM2501 | tho we may eventualy change web over to nix |
| 21:02.41 | compiler_success | what is the website of the company? |
| 21:03.05 | DTRemenak | heh, our highschool IT guy set up an experiemental linux server in one of our computer classrooms, and I wanted to know who set it up, so I rooted it. he said something like "well there goes the security argument", so I sat down at the 2kas box next to it and got admin on it too :) |
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| 21:03.22 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:04.00 | JeffM2501 | compiler_success, http://beta.bzflag.bz/builds/2.1.x/, has a build from now |
| 21:04.05 | JeffM2501 | untested :) |
| 21:04.13 | compiler_success | thanks |
| 21:04.19 | compiler_success | that'll change in a second. |
| 21:04.20 | DTRemenak | and since this was before everyone was all scared of "hackers", they hired me the next summer to do IT while our IT guy was on vacation :) |
| 21:04.22 | compiler_success | :) |
| 21:05.00 | compiler_success | 2.0.7 :) |
| 21:05.27 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:05.35 | DTRemenak | someone forgot to change the version in the installer :) |
| 21:05.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah somone did |
| 21:05.45 | compiler_success | appearently |
| 21:05.52 | DTRemenak | brb, bios update |
| 21:06.07 | JeffM2501 | the file is fixed |
| 21:06.08 | compiler_success | bye DTRemenak |
| 21:06.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/package/win32/nsis/BZFlag.nsi: 2.1, not 2.0 |
| 21:10.05 | compiler_success | bullets textures are missing |
| 21:10.15 | compiler_success | the bullets, thus, look glowy |
| 21:10.19 | compiler_success | very nice effect! |
| 21:10.23 | JeffM2501 | you in experimental? |
| 21:10.26 | compiler_success | like starwars sowrds or so |
| 21:10.35 | compiler_success | yes |
| 21:10.41 | JeffM2501 | then nothing is missing |
| 21:10.42 | compiler_success | I'm always in experimental |
| 21:10.47 | compiler_success | nice |
| 21:10.50 | JeffM2501 | the shots were changed for experimental |
| 21:10.55 | compiler_success | they look nice |
| 21:10.56 | JeffM2501 | they are not meant to be textured |
| 21:11.01 | compiler_success | although slow on my GF2go |
| 21:11.06 | JeffM2501 | as they should |
| 21:11.16 | JeffM2501 | geobolt, and geolaser are not for the weak of card |
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| 21:11.37 | JeffM2501 | basicly everything that was expermiental, is now "high" |
| 21:11.49 | DTRemenak | woot, now it actually recognizes the model number |
| 21:11.52 | JeffM2501 | old high is now medium |
| 21:11.56 | compiler_success | the game is becoming more demanding graphics-wise.. which is not bad |
| 21:12.01 | JeffM2501 | and low is medium |
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| 21:12.11 | Gnurdux | hi z[h]ero |
| 21:12.15 | DTRemenak | I thought low was low with some medium stuff thrown in |
| 21:12.16 | JeffM2501 | we will be assuming players have somewhat modern hardware |
| 21:12.21 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, cool |
| 21:12.39 | compiler_success | DTRemenak, that was a fast bios update |
| 21:12.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/ (5 files in 4 dirs): we are doing MSVC/VC71 these days, not just vc71, since there is VC8 now. Somone needs to fix the makefile so it dosn't blow chunks on this change. |
| 21:13.01 | JeffM2501 | hint hint, wink wink |
| 21:13.08 | z[h]ero | hello, someone knows how doing automatic server jitter kicks? |
| 21:13.45 | DTRemenak | compiler_success: no floppy involved :) |
| 21:13.53 | compiler_success | :) |
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| 21:14.13 | z[h]ero | oh hi gnur |
| 21:14.39 | compiler_success | z[h]ero, you mean autokick for laggers? |
| 21:15.00 | JeffM2501 | jitterkick was a new thing |
| 21:15.06 | JeffM2501 | added after 2.0.8 IIRCF |
| 21:15.12 | JeffM2501 | it may only be in 2.1 |
| 21:15.20 | z[h]ero | compiler: laggkick i know, its /lagwarn. BUt i know now there is jitter kick possible. dunno servercommand for it :( |
| 21:15.36 | compiler_success | oh |
| 21:15.43 | z[h]ero | ahh, then the server where i saw it is version 2.1! thats it! |
| 21:15.43 | JeffM2501 | if you have it, it would be the same as lag, just with the word jitter |
| 21:15.55 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 is incompatable with 2.0.x |
| 21:16.11 | z[h]ero | ok tks. need now only 2.1 server.. ;) |
| 21:16.29 | JeffM2501 | and 2.1 clients |
| 21:16.37 | z[h]ero | oh yep, true... :( |
| 21:16.38 | compiler_success | oh speaking of lagwarn (allow me to hijack your question z[h]ero), how do you kick faster? I mean instead of warning three times and waiting long between those warnings, why not warn once then kick after 10 secs or so. Is this configurable? |
| 21:17.19 | JeffM2501 | z[h]ero, does look like somone put jitterkick down into the 2.0.x branch CVS code |
| 21:17.29 | JeffM2501 | so if you built from source, you could have it in a 2.0.9 |
| 21:17.52 | z[h]ero | but not in 2.08? |
| 21:18.13 | JeffM2501 | no, it was not, done at the time 2.0.8 was released |
| 21:18.21 | z[h]ero | ok |
| 21:18.35 | JeffM2501 | what OS does your server run? |
| 21:18.43 | z[h]ero | will there be packet loss kicks possible in future,too? |
| 21:18.53 | JeffM2501 | if somone codes it up |
| 21:18.56 | z[h]ero | linux |
| 21:19.03 | compiler_success | who? me? |
| 21:19.05 | compiler_success | oh |
| 21:19.22 | JeffM2501 | just get the source code from cvs, and rebuild your server |
| 21:19.27 | CBG | mana runs jitterkick on his 2.0.x servers |
| 21:19.32 | JeffM2501 | compiler_success, I don't think it's that configurable |
| 21:19.51 | compiler_success | ok |
| 21:20.20 | compiler_success | hi CannonBall ! |
| 21:20.28 | compiler_success | good to see you |
| 21:20.46 | CBG | hiya |
| 21:21.11 | z[h]ero | ok tks guys for informations. |
| 21:21.14 | z[h]ero | bye |
| 21:21.20 | compiler_success | bye |
| 21:22.16 | compiler_success | JeffM2501, would be too much to ask if the IRIX build script for Bzfs is maintained ? |
| 21:22.40 | compiler_success | that didn't sound right.. nevermind the grammar please |
| 21:22.40 | DTRemenak | brlcad is in charge of that |
| 21:23.18 | compiler_success | oh yes. JeffM2501 told me yesterday that he does the Windows builds. |
| 21:23.54 | compiler_success | hmm.. |
| 21:24.58 | JeffM2501 | I am one of the people who does windows builds |
| 21:25.18 | JeffM2501 | but irix isn't realy used much, so it's a lower priority then the big 3 |
| 21:25.31 | compiler_success | yes. I forgot that fact |
| 21:25.40 | DTRemenak | more importantly, not many people have access to irix machines to build on |
| 21:25.51 | DTRemenak | same deal with solaris |
| 21:25.51 | JeffM2501 | if you have updates you want applied to the irix build, please submit them as a patch |
| 21:26.11 | compiler_success | true.. but for history sake.. to run the servers on the father OS on which the game was developed |
| 21:26.14 | compiler_success | oh |
| 21:26.16 | DTRemenak | and nobody actively develops on those platforms |
| 21:26.19 | compiler_success | I would love to get invloved |
| 21:26.50 | compiler_success | but I almost have no programming skills |
| 21:26.59 | JeffM2501 | screw history, it's not like the main use of BZ is for what it was designed for :) |
| 21:27.40 | DTRemenak | more importantly, it's one of the very few games that actually DOES run on irix ;) |
| 21:27.52 | DTRemenak | gotta keep the sgiphiles happy somehow :) |
| 21:27.55 | compiler_success | EXACTLY DTRemenak, EXACTLY |
| 21:27.57 | JeffM2501 | all 5 of them? |
| 21:28.04 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 21:28.09 | DTRemenak | actually more than that |
| 21:28.13 | trepan | 6? |
| 21:28.15 | JeffM2501 | ok 10 |
| 21:28.34 | DTRemenak | sure not many :) |
| 21:28.37 | DTRemenak | but they're out there :) |
| 21:28.48 | JeffM2501 | I'd still like to find an old O2 or indy |
| 21:29.08 | JeffM2501 | wow, I own a hooded sweatshirt |
| 21:29.16 | compiler_success | DTRemenak, not exactly.. I'm not a fan of the old power-hungry, noisy, underpowered systems. But I have one running in the other room.. its serving FTP and some other stuff, would be nice if I could run BZFs from there rather than my PC |
| 21:29.48 | JeffM2501 | install a real compiler then you can :) |
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| 21:30.00 | compiler_success | GNU that is :) |
| 21:30.01 | compiler_success | ? |
| 21:30.01 | DTRemenak | compiler_success: same deal with solaris. not many people run them as workstations, but lots as servers |
| 21:30.08 | DTRemenak | MIPSPro is a real compiler, JeffM2501 |
| 21:30.16 | DTRemenak | a good one too |
| 21:30.19 | DTRemenak | just a bit anal |
| 21:30.27 | DTRemenak | s/a bit/hella/ |
| 21:30.56 | JeffM2501 | can he pull the stick outa it's butt? |
| 21:31.03 | DTRemenak | now SUNW, that's a busted compiler |
| 21:31.15 | L4m3r | DTRemenak: HELLA!!!! |
| 21:31.29 | L4m3r | Norcal freaks :P |
| 21:31.35 | DTRemenak | :P |
| 21:32.35 | JeffM2501 | be nice, he imegrated |
| 21:32.43 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:34.36 | compiler_success | :) |
| 21:36.14 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:36.44 | L4m3r | people from norcal who come down here spend the whole year trying to shake "hella" and then relapse over the summer |
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| 22:00.39 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yup, it's faster |
| 22:01.37 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 22:01.54 | JeffM2501 | I think I just found my next sig message |
| 22:02.06 | JeffM2501 | "knowing is half the battle... the other half is VIOLENCE" |
| 22:02.22 | DTRemenak | 11% in 3dmark01, 5% in 3dmark03 |
| 22:02.38 | JeffM2501 | the 6200 should help a lot with that |
| 22:02.42 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 22:02.58 | DTRemenak | 03 is using all shader 2.0, and I'm on a shader 1.2 card |
| 22:03.24 | DTRemenak | still wanted to get the baseline in for how much the dual-channel and faster fsb helped |
| 22:03.25 | JeffM2501 | 6200 is shader 3.0 :) |
| 22:03.31 | DTRemenak | yup :) |
| 22:04.53 | DTRemenak | I'll actually be able to turn on agp8x with a 6200 too |
| 22:05.11 | DTRemenak | my 4200 claims to be 8x capable and then locks up when the bios tries to handshake |
| 22:05.15 | JeffM2501 | then your computer can be a real boy |
| 22:05.32 | DTRemenak | yay :) |
| 22:32.29 | tokimi | does soem one have the link handy to the forum post on how to compile 2.0.x on the intel mac? |
| 22:36.27 | CBG | try http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7964 |
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