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| 00:03.02 | CBG | JeffM2501: ok, no janitor... I see. |
| 00:03.06 | CBG | ~trap JeffM2501 |
| 00:03.07 | ibot | ACTION traps JeffM2501 aroudnd the bend! |
| 00:06.57 | tokimi | any one ever try to compile gettext on mac 10.4 ? |
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| 00:10.06 | spldart | ~bz20cvs |
| 00:10.11 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 00:11.53 | CIA-6 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/admin/auth/ (src/netMessages.cpp vc71/gpxauth.vcproj inc/netMessages.h): give the network connections some messages to sling around |
| 00:12.22 | JeffM2501 | don't want to give brlcad any more rason to atempt litigation. |
| 00:12.45 | spldart | 8-0 |
| 00:13.04 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:13.28 | JeffM2501 | tho still not sure if it should be using a UDP only system |
| 00:38.20 | JonathanD | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.21 | JonathanD | oops |
| 00:38.28 | JonathanD | sorry :P |
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| 10:19.21 | Skeeve | Hi Mr_Molez... Everything rotating as you want it? |
| 10:22.56 | Mr_Molez | Skeeve: 1 sec let me check if its still up :P |
| 10:23.32 | Mr_Molez | oh its down :( |
| 10:24.35 | Mr_Molez | must be a problem with one of the configs |
| 10:24.42 | Mr_Molez | started itself up again now :P |
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| 10:36.52 | Mr_Molez | hmm nah this just doesn't work |
| 10:37.03 | Mr_Molez | works one minute doesn't the next |
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| 10:49.54 | Skeeve | Stop the cron and check every config on it's own |
| 10:50.09 | Mr_Molez | checked all configs |
| 10:50.19 | Skeeve | And they all work!? |
| 10:50.20 | Mr_Molez | and the script shutsdown the servers alright |
| 10:50.37 | Mr_Molez | just doesn't start them :P (starts them SOMETIMES but not others :P) |
| 10:50.48 | Skeeve | ??? It starts and shuts down at once? |
| 10:51.00 | Mr_Molez | no |
| 10:51.09 | Skeeve | So if you start by hand, it doesn't start each time? |
| 10:51.10 | Mr_Molez | a map works for the times its suppose to |
| 10:51.22 | Mr_Molez | then when it shutsdown to load a new one, a new one never starts :P |
| 10:51.31 | Mr_Molez | starts by hand ok |
| 10:51.43 | Skeeve | So maybe some kind of delay is needed between kill and restart |
| 10:51.45 | Mr_Molez | 1 moment ill check them all by hand agaib |
| 10:51.48 | Mr_Molez | yeh |
| 10:52.34 | Skeeve | put a sleep 10 after the kill |
| 10:53.03 | Skeeve | Better yet would be to check whether or not the process exists |
| 10:53.20 | Mr_Molez | done that |
| 10:53.23 | Mr_Molez | doesn't exist :P |
| 10:53.42 | Mr_Molez | i have a feeling the sleep 10 will fix it :P |
| 10:57.51 | Skeeve | Could you please pastebin the script? I have tested a loop that will check whether or not the process still runs |
| 10:57.59 | Skeeve | I'll add it then |
| 11:01.08 | Mr_Molez | http://pastebin.ca/155818 |
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| 11:05.52 | Skeeve | try this: http://pastebin.ca/155820 |
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| 11:07.50 | Mr_Molez | k :D |
| 11:08.04 | Quag7 | Where can I find a bzfs sample conf file? I can't seem to find one |
| 11:08.30 | Mr_Molez | Quag7: maybe on the forums ? |
| 11:08.32 | CBG | sourceforge |
| 11:08.34 | Skeeve | Mr_Molez has some. aybe he will give you one |
| 11:08.47 | Quag7 | thanks, having a look |
| 11:08.51 | Mr_Molez | Quag7: yeh i can give u one if u need one |
| 11:10.22 | Quag7 | would like one if possible but dont know if I can dcc - do you have a dump somewhere online? |
| 11:11.29 | Quag7 | Ah nevermind |
| 11:11.30 | Quag7 | I found a generator |
| 11:11.32 | Quag7 | Thank you though |
| 11:11.54 | Mr_Molez | oh ok |
| 11:13.01 | Mr_Molez | Skeeve: seems to be working ok, still testing :P |
| 11:15.16 | Skeeve | made a small change again: http://pastebin.ca/155832 |
| 11:24.25 | Mr_Molez | :D |
| 11:25.33 | Mr_Molez | only problem with this is i get no logs :P |
| 11:26.15 | Mr_Molez | ./Start-Mapchange-Script.5156 pillbox 2>&1 > LOGS/LOGFILE.`date +%d-%m-%Y-%H-%M` & |
| 11:26.24 | Mr_Molez | if i tell cron to run that, that would work wont it ? |
| 11:26.36 | Mr_Molez | (run a file that contains that) |
| 11:28.13 | Mr_Molez | heh im gona have alot of log files |
| 11:29.24 | Skeeve | Why should that not work?I see no reason for this |
| 11:29.42 | Mr_Molez | just making sure :D |
| 11:29.58 | Skeeve | Except if you forgot to cd to LOG's parent directory |
| 11:30.04 | Skeeve | Better put a full path there |
| 11:30.26 | Skeeve | Maybe use $CONFIGDIR/LOGS/... |
| 11:31.15 | Skeeve | Why don't you put everything into one logfile? |
| 11:31.27 | Skeeve | Maybe just config-specific? |
| 11:31.40 | Skeeve | ./Start-Mapchange-Script.5156 pillbox 2>&1 > LOGS/LOGFILE.$1 & |
| 11:31.43 | Skeeve | No |
| 11:31.52 | Mr_Molez | didn';t know how to do that without it being overwritten |
| 11:31.53 | Skeeve | ./Start-Mapchange-Script.5156 pillbox 2>&1 >> LOGS/LOGFILE.$1 |
| 11:32.02 | Skeeve | >> instead of > |
| 11:32.50 | Mr_Molez | ah ok |
| 11:32.52 | Mr_Molez | did that :P |
| 11:33.00 | Skeeve | additionally maybe: echo "Startup $1 at " `date` >> LOGS/LOGFILE.$1 |
| 11:34.29 | Mr_Molez | /home/Mr_Molez/ROTATION/Start-Mapchange-Script.5156 pillbox 2>&1 echo "Startup $1 at " `date` >> /home/Mr_Molez/ROTATION/LOGS/LOGFILE.$1 & |
| 11:34.29 | Skeeve | Nope |
| 11:34.36 | Skeeve | echo is a seperate line |
| 11:34.47 | Skeeve | and wait |
| 11:34.52 | Mr_Molez | oh :( |
| 11:35.08 | Skeeve | Don't put it there! It should all go INTO the script. |
| 11:35.16 | Skeeve | pastebin again... I'll add |
| 11:38.04 | Skeeve | You shouldn't put Start-Mapchange-Script into background! The backgrounding is done inside the script |
| 11:38.33 | Mr_Molez | :( |
| 11:38.45 | Skeeve | Don't cry... |
| 11:39.08 | Skeeve | Just pastebin so that I'm sure I have the up-to-date version to work on |
| 11:41.07 | Mr_Molez | http://pastebin.ca/155854~ |
| 11:41.09 | Mr_Molez | http://pastebin.ca/155854 |
| 11:41.39 | Skeeve | No! The script itself. Not the invocation |
| 11:42.22 | Mr_Molez | http://pastebin.ca/155855 |
| 11:42.23 | Mr_Molez | heh sry |
| 11:43.29 | Skeeve | Question: Do you want the logfiles be config based or do you want 1 file for all? |
| 11:44.06 | Mr_Molez | one for all would be best |
| 11:44.13 | Skeeve | Ok |
| 11:48.12 | Skeeve | Shall I put the PID file into the LOG directory? That's etter than into the config directory I guess |
| 11:48.27 | Mr_Molez | hmm nah |
| 11:48.30 | Mr_Molez | not really needed |
| 11:48.35 | Skeeve | Not needed |
| 11:48.40 | Skeeve | But while I'm at it... |
| 11:49.59 | Skeeve | Take a look http://pastebin.ca/155869 |
| 11:50.07 | Skeeve | I've done several changes |
| 11:50.14 | Skeeve | a) Put "" araound all filenames |
| 11:50.25 | Skeeve | b) Put the PID into the LOG DIR |
| 11:50.43 | Skeeve | c) Put the PATHs and filenames into VARS |
| 11:50.50 | Mr_Molez | cool |
| 11:52.37 | Skeeve | Did you create your own maps? |
| 11:52.52 | Mr_Molez | nah |
| 11:53.04 | Mr_Molez | just mainly the popular maps on OL |
| 11:53.34 | Skeeve | I always wanted to test a bug I think I have found and for that I would need a map with just 1 big building and 1 Laser and 1 BU map and 2 people to test |
| 11:54.02 | Mr_Molez | i could do that if u want, should only take a minute to make that |
| 11:54.20 | Skeeve | The maps and tanks have t be on the building |
| 11:54.30 | Skeeve | So the building has to cover the whole world |
| 11:54.46 | Mr_Molez | so just a building that covers the whole map ? |
| 11:54.52 | Skeeve | Yes |
| 11:55.09 | Skeeve | the 2 flags and then the L should try to kill the BU |
| 11:55.30 | Skeeve | If there is a bug, the BU should be immune to the L |
| 11:57.36 | Mr_Molez | 1 BU map ? |
| 11:57.56 | Skeeve | 1 Burrow and 1 Laser flag |
| 11:57.59 | Mr_Molez | ah ok |
| 11:58.05 | Skeeve | on top of the buildings |
| 11:58.09 | Skeeve | building |
| 11:58.14 | Skeeve | (no plural) |
| 11:58.36 | spldart | diabolical |
| 11:58.45 | Skeeve | what? |
| 11:58.59 | spldart | an experiment :) |
| 11:59.02 | Skeeve | yes |
| 11:59.19 | Skeeve | I once tried to shoot an BU on top of a building having an L |
| 11:59.36 | Skeeve | He didn't die. It was either, Lag, Cheat or Bug |
| 12:01.11 | ToughShooter | I doubt it is a bug, however if you want we could replay it |
| 12:01.11 | Skeeve | I think Mr_Molez already tries |
| 12:03.41 | Mr_Molez | 5111 |
| 12:03.44 | Mr_Molez | openleague.org |
| 12:04.50 | Skeeve | the flags are inside? |
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| 12:10.59 | ToughShooter | Skeeve: Mr_Molez seems to have probs, perhaps I could do it faster? |
| 12:11.10 | Mr_Molez | yeh sry i cant work it out :P |
| 12:11.12 | Skeeve | Okay. |
| 12:11.20 | ToughShooter | Just a few seconds.. |
| 12:11.23 | Skeeve | I'd be thankful |
| 12:11.36 | ToughShooter | 1 Building that covers the whole ground, correct? |
| 12:11.41 | Mr_Molez | couldn't get flags to spawn on the buildings :( |
| 12:11.47 | ToughShooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.32 | Skeeve | Yes, TS |
| 12:12.52 | Skeeve | Just to make sure, that the flags are on top of a solid ground |
| 12:13.10 | Mr_Molez | ah i have it working now |
| 12:14.12 | Skeeve | Okay... Lag or cheat it was |
| 12:14.34 | ToughShooter | heh, just got my server running |
| 12:14.36 | Skeeve | nno bug |
| 12:15.10 | ToughShooter | Could have been a screenie, too |
| 12:15.29 | Skeeve | screenie? |
| 12:15.34 | Skeeve | Observer? |
| 12:15.41 | Skeeve | Nah... He shot me |
| 12:17.24 | Mr_Molez | cu Skeeve thanks again |
| 12:17.28 | ToughShooter | cu |
| 12:17.45 | Skeeve | I'll keep this open but won't be very responsive |
| 12:55.48 | Skeeve | Forum admin around? Candidat for eletion http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8861 |
| 12:58.04 | Skeeve | Even worse: It's spam |
| 12:59.35 | Mr_Molez | i think its funny :P |
| 13:00.10 | Skeeve | But OT in a Non-OT Forum & Spam! Don't click the links |
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| 13:01.22 | Bz_Win | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8861 <--- spam |
| 13:01.43 | ToughShooter | read above :p |
| 13:01.48 | Skeeve | So did I say Bz_Win |
| 13:02.03 | Bz_Win | I just joined :p |
| 13:02.16 | Skeeve | Ah! I seee |
| 13:03.28 | Bz_Win | :p |
| 13:05.01 | ToughShooter | no moderator of those subforums online |
| 13:05.38 | CBG | Bz_Win: yeah, great, not everyone's gonna see it |
| 13:05.49 | CBG | same for Skeeve |
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| 15:21.08 | TheBarron | ok.. so is the score display disparity with genocides thing a bug, or some sort of intentional situation? |
| 15:21.21 | orange | rogue geno? |
| 15:21.37 | DTRemenak | TheBarron: fixed in 2.1 |
| 15:21.44 | TheBarron | orange: yeah, probably |
| 15:21.48 | TheBarron | DTRemenak: cool.. |
| 15:22.14 | TheBarron | so it was an actual bug, or sort of a workaround, or what? |
| 15:22.55 | DTRemenak | client scores will always agree with each other in 2.1 |
| 15:23.02 | DTRemenak | it's controlled by the server |
| 15:23.26 | DTRemenak | before, each client kept track of their own scores, thus creating the possibility of a desynchronization |
| 15:23.48 | orange | DTRemenak: does that mean that when you 'ride' with someone as observer, you can see their complete score set? |
| 15:23.59 | orange | individual matchups, etc.? |
| 15:29.37 | ToughShooter | grrr.....I hate the clients.. |
| 15:30.08 | ToughShooter | one would think they send their movements data but no...hide it when it's important |
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| 17:09.12 | DTRemenak | orange: that has not been implemented, no |
| 17:09.15 | DTRemenak | but it could be |
| 17:12.07 | Mr_Molez | ~exchange 2.95 eur to gbp |
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| 19:03.26 | spldart | Bad day here. There? |
| 19:04.03 | Skeeve | Bad=shower? |
| 19:04.10 | Skeeve | showers |
| 19:06.26 | spldart | day |
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| 19:36.02 | ToughShooter | brlcad: ping |
| 19:36.12 | brlcad | ToughShooter: pong |
| 19:36.47 | ToughShooter | I have an effency problem |
| 19:37.16 | ToughShooter | /set takes about 15 seconds until the server goes back into main loop |
| 19:38.16 | ToughShooter | so when one does a /set _jumpVelocity 100 then jumps, during jump sets it to 10 my code won't be executed in bzfsPlayerStateVerify.cxx |
| 19:38.56 | ToughShooter | It can't know the change...so it kicks the players, assuming _jumpVelocity wasn't 100 |
| 19:39.10 | ToughShooter | What to do? |
| 19:39.45 | brlcad | er, /set shouldn't take 15 seconds |
| 19:40.10 | brlcad | that would be *very* bad if it did |
| 19:40.16 | ToughShooter | It needs 15 seconds until the server jumps back into main() |
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| 19:40.19 | brlcad | that'd be a nasty server stall |
| 19:40.31 | ToughShooter | and in main adjustTolerances() is called |
| 19:40.34 | brlcad | the server should be hitting main dozens of times per second |
| 19:40.46 | ToughShooter | adjustTollerances() calls the cheat checks |
| 19:40.47 | brlcad | unless there's simply no network activity going on |
| 19:41.26 | ToughShooter | Theme97: Replay stuff in 2.1 is mostly broken right now |
| 19:41.57 | Theme97 | ToughShooter: Uh, I meant, I recorded myself showing 4 bugs reports and am looking for someone to watch it to fix the bugs, since I'm not good at explaining these things in words. :-/ |
| 19:42.08 | Theme97 | It would also help to visually show the bugs, so... :-/ |
| 19:43.17 | ToughShooter | sigh, I am already busy preparing the height check |
| 19:44.00 | L4m3r | height check? agains the WG cheat? |
| 19:44.01 | ToughShooter | brlcad: so I should try to find the underlying bug, not working around it in the check? |
| 19:44.22 | ToughShooter | Right now it's not activated |
| 19:44.38 | ToughShooter | It only checks for max height of jumps |
| 19:44.41 | L4m3r | ah |
| 19:45.21 | ToughShooter | It needs to be extended a lot |
| 19:45.24 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 19:45.34 | brlcad | ToughShooter: exactly |
| 19:45.41 | *** join/#bzflag ice (i=1893805e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/zeebrothers.net/x-beaba10db096db8f) |
| 19:45.42 | L4m3r | but WG adds so many special cases and "fudge" situtaions |
| 19:45.54 | L4m3r | i.e. dropping WG in the air, over a ledge, etc etc |
| 19:46.01 | brlcad | if what you're saying is true, that would be a serious problem... i can't imagine it being true really |
| 19:46.09 | brlcad | or the server would be sending all players NR |
| 19:46.12 | ToughShooter | L4m3r: Dropping etc is no problem |
| 19:46.24 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: try to imagine 7 impossible things before breakfast. |
| 19:46.44 | brlcad | JBdiGriz: easy, done ;) |
| 19:47.45 | ToughShooter | I haven't tried with other players.. |
| 19:48.21 | ToughShooter | I'll put some of those lovely "std::cout"s in main() on my local copy to double-check |
| 19:48.44 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: There's a difference between impossible and unlikely |
| 19:54.50 | DTRemenak | JBdiGriz: "impossible" is just a term for extremely unlikely |
| 19:54.54 | ToughShooter | Hmm, it seems like I was wrong...the problem lies somewhere else |
| 19:57.48 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: brlcad told you so ;) |
| 19:58.05 | JBdiGriz | That's a difference between philosophy and logic. |
| 19:58.18 | DTRemenak | true enough |
| 19:58.25 | JeffM2501 | yay for fish |
| 19:59.13 | JeffM2501 | well there are 17 new ones in the tank, they may be a bit small for ya tho |
| 19:59.25 | L4m3r | lolo |
| 19:59.29 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 19:59.34 | JBdiGriz | mmm, sushi |
| 19:59.38 | DTRemenak | new ones, eh? |
| 19:59.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:59.44 | L4m3r | fish are the only pets allowed in the dorms |
| 19:59.47 | JeffM2501 | actualy I had sushi for lunch too |
| 19:59.53 | JeffM2501 | eating it infront of the fish |
| 20:00.23 | L4m3r | ...in such a small space, why bother? :\ |
| 20:00.23 | JeffM2501 | to show them what happens if they are bad |
| 20:01.29 | JeffM2501 | actualy I have them in a 29 gallon, and a 55 gallon tank |
| 20:01.33 | JeffM2501 | so not so small |
| 20:01.34 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: who needs key letters? |
| 20:01.42 | L4m3r | I don't see how... I wrote them in sharpie, and then sprayed clear coat over them |
| 20:01.44 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I think he was talking about the dorm |
| 20:01.50 | L4m3r | yes, I was |
| 20:01.50 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:02.01 | DTRemenak | which was probably smaller than your tanks ;) |
| 20:02.02 | JeffM2501 | the 55 may be as big as your dowm |
| 20:02.04 | JeffM2501 | dorm |
| 20:02.17 | JeffM2501 | we were planing on a 300gallon at one point |
| 20:02.23 | JeffM2501 | but don't know if the floor can take it |
| 20:02.27 | DTRemenak | wow |
| 20:02.50 | JeffM2501 | the wall is supporting the stuff now |
| 20:02.50 | L4m3r | my doctor was complaining a few months ago that the tank he had installed in his wall fell apart and flooded his living room |
| 20:03.01 | DTRemenak | that's expensive |
| 20:03.02 | JeffM2501 | that has to suck |
| 20:03.05 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 20:03.20 | L4m3r | the adhesive gave way and a whole panel fell out |
| 20:03.22 | DTRemenak | I'd think floods would burst more than suck |
| 20:03.31 | JeffM2501 | they suck after |
| 20:03.35 | JeffM2501 | when you have to get the water OUT |
| 20:03.39 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 20:03.52 | DTRemenak | that would be a draining experience |
| 20:03.59 | JeffM2501 | budumpbump! |
| 20:04.06 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 20:04.12 | JeffM2501 | he's here all week, try the veal |
| 20:04.40 | L4m3r | now what I want to know is how they managed to drain my neighbor's pool... |
| 20:04.50 | L4m3r | a few doors down, they just moved in a year or so ago |
| 20:04.54 | DTRemenak | a pump? |
| 20:05.03 | L4m3r | apparently the guy who lived there before was a bit crazy |
| 20:05.15 | L4m3r | had a 12' x 16' pool... in the basement o_O |
| 20:05.23 | DTRemenak | sweet |
| 20:05.26 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 20:05.28 | JeffM2501 | pumps are cheap |
| 20:05.29 | DTRemenak | natural heatsink |
| 20:05.33 | L4m3r | but they drained it and filled it in :( |
| 20:05.36 | JeffM2501 | or he just had it hooked into the sewage system |
| 20:05.39 | DTRemenak | ew |
| 20:06.06 | L4m3r | perhaps. the lots are weird, they sit a few feet above the street |
| 20:06.28 | L4m3r | so the basement floor was probably about on par with the street level |
| 20:06.37 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it had a drain built in that just went out the septic system |
| 20:07.05 | L4m3r | we got jipped... our basement is a pathetic 6'x8' pit, pretty much |
| 20:07.24 | JeffM2501 | what is a basement? |
| 20:07.32 | ToughShooter | I am soo stupid not to see this: "Don't kick players if the world param is still changing" comment |
| 20:08.14 | ToughShooter | this "don't kick" thingy seem to make my test kicking 'em |
| 20:08.30 | L4m3r | I wanted to complete my loserdom and have that cellar as a room, but dad said no. Lol. |
| 20:08.31 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: they have them where they have these things called tornados |
| 20:08.42 | JeffM2501 | he lives in LA |
| 20:08.46 | L4m3r | hehehe |
| 20:08.54 | DTRemenak | well that destroys that theory |
| 20:09.09 | DTRemenak | basement's not much good in an earthquake |
| 20:09.11 | L4m3r | in our case, it's a hole in the ground that the former inhabitants used to make preserves |
| 20:09.15 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda worse |
| 20:09.19 | JeffM2501 | weakens the floor |
| 20:09.24 | JeffM2501 | gives it a nice place to fall into |
| 20:09.29 | DTRemenak | provides somewhere for the building to fall |
| 20:09.46 | JeffM2501 | it would protect the house next to ya :) |
| 20:10.01 | L4m3r | ours is too small for that to be a problem |
| 20:10.01 | spldart | mmmMMMmmm Tornados |
| 20:10.04 | Manu | ToughShooter: you must wait 2 seconds at last :) |
| 20:10.04 | DTRemenak | 'cause everyone in LA is such a nice neighbor ;) |
| 20:10.18 | L4m3r | the only thing that could fall in would be one end of the kitchen, lol |
| 20:10.29 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: A lot of european buildings have basements |
| 20:10.50 | L4m3r | the rest sits over a crawl space that's almost too tight for me to drag my fat ass around in |
| 20:10.54 | JeffM2501 | we don't realy have "weather" out here |
| 20:11.01 | ToughShooter | Manu: Huh? |
| 20:11.02 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: they don't have tornados? |
| 20:11.03 | JeffM2501 | quakes, fires, and somewhat cloudy days |
| 20:11.07 | spldart | Just smog? |
| 20:11.15 | JeffM2501 | naw, no real smog here |
| 20:11.16 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: What is a tornado? :p |
| 20:11.17 | L4m3r | and gangsters |
| 20:11.20 | Manu | ToughShooter: before kicking after a word update |
| 20:11.25 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: a hurricane, without water :P |
| 20:11.38 | Manu | ToughShooter: world..* |
| 20:11.44 | ToughShooter | Never seen one in real world |
| 20:11.45 | JeffM2501 | and more cow throwing |
| 20:11.48 | DTRemenak | I haven't seen any real gangsters up here either |
| 20:11.56 | DTRemenak | maybe where L4m3r is |
| 20:12.00 | L4m3r | hehe |
| 20:12.01 | JeffM2501 | you'll see wanabee gansters in simi |
| 20:12.10 | L4m3r | there was almost a street fight last week :| |
| 20:12.18 | DTRemenak | drug dealers do not qualify as gangsters, JeffM2501 :) |
| 20:12.34 | JeffM2501 | no you'll see 15 years old in bagy pants cursing a lot :) |
| 20:12.36 | ToughShooter | Manu: Umm, I do not understand what you're trying to say |
| 20:12.48 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: you mean, californians? |
| 20:12.50 | L4m3r | JeffM2501: the so-called "wiggers"? |
| 20:13.19 | Manu | ToughShooter: is a response to what you said up.. (kicking when changing vars) |
| 20:13.22 | L4m3r | (my neighbors weren't familiar with that term. I was amazed) |
| 20:13.30 | JeffM2501 | drivin around in there parents suped up accord |
| 20:13.54 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: I've never heard it either |
| 20:13.59 | Manu | ToughShooter: you said.. I'm so stupid not to see this: "Don't kick players if the world..." |
| 20:13.59 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:14.23 | DTRemenak | in Czech no less |
| 20:14.23 | Manu | ToughShooter: I say you must wait 2 seconds before enable checks for kick |
| 20:14.33 | JeffM2501 | some more work then :) |
| 20:14.42 | DTRemenak | hope it's not in Czech :) |
| 20:14.53 | Manu | ToughShooter: is to wait all client are updated with the new info |
| 20:15.36 | ToughShooter | Manu: Ah |
| 20:16.41 | *** join/#bzflag tokimi (n=toki@physics.cudenver.edu) |
| 20:17.04 | ToughShooter | Manu: So I should fight the symptoms in code? |
| 20:17.17 | ToughShooter | and leaving the skipping in |
| 20:18.07 | Manu | it depends :) |
| 20:20.45 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 20:20.45 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 20:21.03 | JeffM2501 | now that was fun |
| 20:21.11 | JeffM2501 | and no it's not chezc :) |
| 20:21.30 | JeffM2501 | korean |
| 20:21.30 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 20:21.37 | DTRemenak | ugh |
| 20:21.49 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03timriker 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/Permissions.cxx: NULL is not a char |
| 20:21.57 | JeffM2501 | actualy it's what ever langauge you want |
| 20:22.08 | DTRemenak | that's good |
| 20:22.18 | DTRemenak | I prefer klingon |
| 20:23.43 | JeffM2501 | we don't have a kingon reseller |
| 20:24.30 | DTRemenak | should work on that, it's a huge market. think galactically, act globally. |
| 20:24.36 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:24.45 | JeffM2501 | our software has no honor |
| 20:25.12 | JeffM2501 | if we can switch all the strings to the access database, then it should be easy to auto translate the file. |
| 20:27.01 | brlcad | NULL is four chars ;) |
| 20:27.32 | TimRiker | unless it's 8 |
| 20:28.05 | TimRiker | ScoreboardRenderer.h: In constructor ‘ScoreboardRenderer::ScoreboardRenderer()’: |
| 20:28.05 | TimRiker | ScoreboardRenderer.h:131: warning: ‘ScoreboardRenderer::numHunted’ will be initialized after |
| 20:28.06 | TimRiker | ScoreboardRenderer.h:99: warning: ‘float ScoreboardRenderer::teamScoreYVal’ |
| 20:28.06 | TimRiker | ScoreboardRenderer.cxx:48: warning: when initialized here |
| 20:30.26 | DTRemenak | someone didn't match up the order of initialization |
| 20:30.29 | brlcad | hmm, you must be on the branch |
| 20:30.44 | DTRemenak | vc does not warn about such things |
| 20:30.54 | JeffM2501 | we can probably turn it on |
| 20:31.01 | DTRemenak | not that I know of |
| 20:31.11 | DTRemenak | just like we can't warn on shadows either |
| 20:31.12 | JeffM2501 | with boundschecker :) |
| 20:31.29 | DTRemenak | boundschecker wouldn't catch it unless it was actually a problem |
| 20:31.36 | DTRemenak | usually it's not |
| 20:31.45 | JeffM2501 | then whopty freaing do :) |
| 20:31.55 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.cxx: yay, I win.. where's my prize? fix numHunted order |
| 20:31.56 | DTRemenak | 'tis a warning nonetheless |
| 20:32.11 | TimRiker | yes. this is 2.0 branch. |
| 20:32.23 | JeffM2501 | head have the same problem? |
| 20:32.28 | brlcad | nah, head's fine |
| 20:32.32 | JeffM2501 | coo |
| 20:33.21 | DTRemenak | does it matter? |
| 20:33.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah, should test release |
| 20:33.45 | JeffM2501 | debug dosn't get uninited vars as well |
| 20:33.47 | TimRiker | ScoreboardRenderer.h: In constructor ‘ScoreboardRenderer::ScoreboardRenderer()’: |
| 20:33.47 | TimRiker | ScoreboardRenderer.h:130: warning: ‘ScoreboardRenderer::huntAddMode’ will be initialized after |
| 20:33.47 | TimRiker | ScoreboardRenderer.h:99: warning: ‘float ScoreboardRenderer::teamScoreYVal’ |
| 20:33.47 | TimRiker | ScoreboardRenderer.cxx:48: warning: when initialized here |
| 20:33.57 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:34.02 | JeffM2501 | also, not sure if regresion 2 has vc |
| 20:34.04 | CBG | This is an oddity I have noticed for a while, if you try to kill someone who can't be killed (protected for whatever reason, or they are obs, etc) THEY get the "Player can't be killed" instead of me. |
| 20:34.11 | DTRemenak | you can run a debug build without vc |
| 20:34.15 | DTRemenak | just can't, um, debug it |
| 20:34.29 | CBG | So if I try to "/kill AnObserver" then AnObserver will get the "AnObserver Cannot be killed" message. |
| 20:34.30 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, not if you don't have the debug runtimes |
| 20:34.40 | DTRemenak | true, but they are simple to copy |
| 20:34.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:34.49 | JeffM2501 | we don't ship them tho |
| 20:34.53 | JeffM2501 | I think I did release |
| 20:34.54 | DTRemenak | you're right about uninited vars though |
| 20:34.57 | JeffM2501 | if not let me know |
| 20:35.04 | DTRemenak | what, you don't want to "rebuild all"? :) |
| 20:35.13 | JeffM2501 | I did do a rebuild all |
| 20:35.22 | JeffM2501 | I just hope I grabed from the correct dir :) |
| 20:35.30 | DTRemenak | s/\?/again\?/ |
| 20:35.50 | JeffM2501 | if I had 2 cores I'd do em all day long:) |
| 20:35.55 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:36.06 | JeffM2501 | that's a goodly number of gigs |
| 20:36.13 | JeffM2501 | new machine? |
| 20:36.44 | DTRemenak | heh, installing in chinese is fun. dialog asks: ??????. possible responses: ?? and ??. |
| 20:36.48 | TimRiker | heh. it's not much vs some things here. we just copied 10T from UT to VA. did that on removeable media though. |
| 20:37.19 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, wait till you do finish. "hardware key missing" is "hardware key es fugbared" |
| 20:37.36 | DTRemenak | bandwidth is better with removable media. the killer is the latency :) |
| 20:38.00 | JeffM2501 | UPS can do same day :) |
| 20:38.21 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: heh. those ping times are horrid! |
| 20:38.40 | JeffM2501 | not realy, if you ping by phone |
| 20:38.45 | JeffM2501 | "dude you get it".. "yeah" |
| 20:38.48 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: still a latency of...86,400,000 ms |
| 20:38.49 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 20:39.17 | DTRemenak | phone is low-bandwidth though :) |
| 20:39.24 | JeffM2501 | pings arn't big |
| 20:39.35 | DTRemenak | true enough |
| 20:39.36 | JeffM2501 | use a multi transport system :) |
| 20:39.50 | JeffM2501 | ping via smoke signal |
| 20:40.44 | DTRemenak | need some signal reflectors to get from UT to VA via smoke signal |
| 20:40.56 | JeffM2501 | satalite |
| 20:41.14 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure brlcad's customers have access to some that can see it |
| 20:41.30 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:41.41 | DTRemenak | probably true :) |
| 20:41.43 | Theme97 | Any of the devs: I have recorded 5 bug reports in a replay (it helps to visualize some of them). Is anyone available to watch it right now? |
| 20:41.44 | JeffM2501 | in fact they are probably watching us RIGHT NOW |
| 20:41.57 | DTRemenak | you maybe. I'm not sitting by the window ;) |
| 20:42.05 | JeffM2501 | the fish protect me |
| 20:42.08 | brlcad | who, what?? didn't see anything |
| 20:42.12 | JeffM2501 | good fung shue |
| 20:42.31 | JeffM2501 | sadly you do have one of the louder cubes |
| 20:42.33 | DTRemenak | a tank of water might protect you from a bullet, but probably not from a satellite :) |
| 20:42.58 | JeffM2501 | the huge stash of comunist propoganda I put in Gary's office distracts them |
| 20:43.08 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 20:44.02 | JeffM2501 | remote desktop is fun :) |
| 20:44.30 | Theme97 | brlcad, DTRemenak, JeffM2501: Any of you available to watch the replay or are you guys "busy"? ;) |
| 20:44.30 | JeffM2501 | you want to be kicked? |
| 20:44.34 | DTRemenak | you just did, CBG :) |
| 20:44.39 | JeffM2501 | I'm at work |
| 20:44.41 | CBG | No, I want attention!! :P |
| 20:44.46 | DTRemenak | Theme97: I'm at work |
| 20:45.06 | Theme97 | Gee, everyone's at work.. guess I'll just post it on SF... |
| 20:45.18 | JeffM2501 | what is it a replay of? |
| 20:45.25 | Theme97 | 5 bugs I've found |
| 20:45.30 | CBG | I posted about a bug 11 minutes ago but it got lost amongst all the spam. ;) |
| 20:45.34 | JeffM2501 | why not just report/fix the bugs? |
| 20:45.54 | Theme97 | easier to visualize some of them, and bzflag isn't being very helpful in compiling. |
| 20:45.54 | JeffM2501 | well CBG this isn't always the best place to report bugs |
| 20:46.16 | JeffM2501 | Theme97, at least give a description of what to look for, for each one, and some description |
| 20:46.20 | DTRemenak | CBG: whip up a patch, it's a one-line change |
| 20:46.23 | JeffM2501 | CBG, what bug did you find? |
| 20:46.30 | JeffM2501 | oh one line, pfft |
| 20:46.32 | CBG | Scroll up 12 minutes. |
| 20:46.37 | JeffM2501 | have gnardux do it :) |
| 20:46.48 | brlcad | Theme97: sorry, no client ability here right now |
| 20:46.53 | CBG | I'll look how to make a patch if i get a little help. |
| 20:47.00 | Theme97 | CBG: Need help? ;) |
| 20:47.03 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I'm sure he'd find a way to screw it up |
| 20:47.07 | CBG | I don't know how to actually "make a patch" for a start... |
| 20:47.08 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, exactly |
| 20:47.19 | CBG | But first, it's in bzfs code, right? |
| 20:47.20 | JeffM2501 | tho if you tell me what line, I can fix it |
| 20:47.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm waiting for a search |
| 20:47.37 | DTRemenak | I dunno what line |
| 20:47.46 | CBG | I'd actually like to have a go, what version should I edit? |
| 20:47.48 | DTRemenak | just know it's one-line. wrong destination on a message |
| 20:47.51 | CBG | 2.0.9? 2.1.0? |
| 20:47.57 | DTRemenak | HEAD |
| 20:48.11 | CBG | that's different to 2.1.0 ? |
| 20:48.18 | DTRemenak | it's 2.1.8 or something |
| 20:48.29 | CBG | oh, wow |
| 20:48.31 | CBG | ~bzcvs |
| 20:48.33 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag (this is for HEAD ie: 2.1 see also bz20cvs) |
| 20:48.33 | DTRemenak | version numbers change on HEAD |
| 20:48.37 | CBG | i see. |
| 20:48.48 | CBG | damn I'll need to downgrade quicktime again..? :( |
| 20:49.07 | DTRemenak | why? |
| 20:49.10 | JeffM2501 | what was the exact message? |
| 20:49.13 | JeffM2501 | "unkillable"? |
| 20:49.27 | CBG | I can't compile with QuickTime 7.1, DTRemenak. |
| 20:49.27 | JeffM2501 | I can search for it |
| 20:49.31 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03timriker 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.h: reorder again, and steal the prize |
| 20:49.31 | DTRemenak | "cannot be killed" probably |
| 20:49.34 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 20:49.54 | CBG | There's a clash between OS 10.3.9 + QT 7.1 + compiling bz. |
| 20:50.02 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I'll fix it if I can find it |
| 20:50.05 | DTRemenak | what fun |
| 20:50.16 | DTRemenak | you should install 10.5 or whatever they're up to now |
| 20:50.17 | CBG | JeffM2501: I'd actually like to try... |
| 20:50.21 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:50.28 | JeffM2501 | 10.4 |
| 20:50.32 | CBG | DTRemenak: 10.4 still but it's not free :P |
| 20:50.33 | JeffM2501 | it costs money |
| 20:50.36 | Theme97 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:50.42 | DTRemenak | get a job :) |
| 20:50.53 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak gots paid today |
| 20:51.01 | DTRemenak | indeed :) |
| 20:51.04 | CBG | I'm in full time education as off next Thursday. :P |
| 20:51.06 | JeffM2501 | first one? |
| 20:51.07 | SportyGal | yay DTRemenak ! sushi time! |
| 20:51.09 | JeffM2501 | or you get one last week? |
| 20:51.10 | DTRemenak | second |
| 20:51.13 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 20:51.13 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:51.24 | DTRemenak | that one was only three days though |
| 20:51.26 | DTRemenak | this one is bigger |
| 20:51.30 | Theme97 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:51.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah I can imagine |
| 20:51.37 | JeffM2501 | you got no bonus ether |
| 20:51.50 | JeffM2501 | Theme97, that is cbg's bug? |
| 20:51.52 | TimRiker | hmm. that didn't work after all. |
| 20:51.55 | Theme97 | JeffM2501: Yep. |
| 20:52.06 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: what, you didn't test it before you committed? :) |
| 20:52.11 | JeffM2501 | bzfs, that would be why I can't find it :) |
| 20:52.19 | CBG | heh |
| 20:52.48 | CBG | uh... "-bash: cvs: command not found" ? :/ |
| 20:52.56 | JeffM2501 | you need cvs |
| 20:53.05 | TimRiker | thought I had, but I guess the compile had not gone far enough. |
| 20:53.06 | JeffM2501 | did you install the dev tools? |
| 20:53.06 | CBG | I should have it :/ |
| 20:53.17 | TimRiker | ~rootshell cvs |
| 20:53.18 | ibot | root@blootbot:~# cvs bash: cvs: command not found |
| 20:53.18 | CBG | JeffM2501: I've gotten cvs of bz before. |
| 20:53.36 | JeffM2501 | wierd then |
| 20:53.43 | CBG | Hmm, not since the new HD though |
| 20:53.53 | CBG | I guess something could have broken then. :( |
| 20:54.05 | JeffM2501 | Jeremy |
| 20:54.14 | DTRemenak | he sent it to someone else |
| 20:54.19 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 20:54.19 | CBG | JeffM2501: the dev tools are on one of the install discs, right? |
| 20:54.20 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/BanCommands.cxx: send the can not be killed message to the correct player. |
| 20:54.27 | DTRemenak | nancy, looks like |
| 20:54.30 | JeffM2501 | CBG, usualy the last disk |
| 20:54.36 | CBG | ok, thanks. |
| 20:54.38 | JeffM2501 | ahh, Jim's wife |
| 20:55.06 | DTRemenak | apparently it only works if GL is off |
| 20:55.12 | CBG | though I see it already got fixed :( |
| 20:55.14 | CBG | thanks :) |
| 20:55.14 | JeffM2501 | HA |
| 20:55.20 | DTRemenak | that's about what I said |
| 20:56.35 | JeffM2501 | ugg.. mfc.. :( |
| 20:57.20 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:59.20 | CBG | aw shucks, someone else bid £10.50... |
| 20:59.38 | JeffM2501 | they are if you don't install |
| 20:59.47 | JeffM2501 | IIRC |
| 20:59.50 | DTRemenak | that's odd |
| 20:59.59 | DTRemenak | err...different |
| 21:00.09 | JeffM2501 | I purchased sealed Japanese OS 9.2 for us here on ebay |
| 21:00.14 | DTRemenak | 'cause "think odd" just doesn't have the same ring to it |
| 21:00.26 | JeffM2501 | but it's more true ;) |
| 21:00.30 | DTRemenak | heh, os9 |
| 21:00.32 | CBG | oish |
| 21:00.39 | JeffM2501 | it's what we have to use |
| 21:00.54 | CBG | don't laugh, OS9 pwns XP. :P |
| 21:01.03 | JeffM2501 | CBG, no, no it dosn't |
| 21:01.04 | L4m3r | well, it makes sense... you don't agree to the EULA until you install it really |
| 21:01.06 | DTRemenak | OS9 is really bad, CBG |
| 21:01.12 | JeffM2501 | fixed size ramp partitiosn |
| 21:01.15 | L4m3r | Apple has no way to tell anyway |
| 21:01.18 | CBG | And XP is good? ROFL! |
| 21:01.28 | DTRemenak | XP is less bad :P |
| 21:01.40 | JeffM2501 | it works for the most part |
| 21:01.45 | JeffM2501 | just like 10.3 ;) |
| 21:02.03 | CBG | [10:01pm] <DTRemenak> XP is less bad :P |
| 21:02.13 | CBG | well, barley, and it's like, 6 years late. |
| 21:02.20 | L4m3r | ... I plan on installing Debian later |
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| 21:02.33 | DTRemenak | CBG: and you quoted me because... :) |
| 21:02.57 | CBG | I was replying to that line specifically. |
| 21:03.55 | JeffM2501 | at least XP dosn't take a dump when I plug an ipod into it :) |
| 21:04.02 | CBG | heh |
| 21:04.04 | JeffM2501 | and smoke shuffles for lunch |
| 21:04.04 | L4m3r | all I remember about OS9 was that it was agonizingly slow |
| 21:04.08 | DTRemenak | CBG: XP and OSX were both released in 2001 |
| 21:04.28 | CBG | and OSX is at least 8 times better than XP. |
| 21:04.37 | DTRemenak | CBG: that is not the issue in question |
| 21:04.40 | DTRemenak | OS9 is :) |
| 21:04.41 | JeffM2501 | where do you get these numbers from? |
| 21:04.50 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: his ass |
| 21:04.58 | L4m3r | Compiz smokes them all like a cheap cigar anyway :D |
| 21:05.04 | JeffM2501 | it's like he's channeling apple marketing people |
| 21:05.06 | DTRemenak | woot, compiz |
| 21:05.12 | CBG | XP is only _slightly_ better than OS9 and came out right after OS9 was stopped. |
| 21:05.20 | JeffM2501 | his assimilation into the apple blogspehere is complete |
| 21:05.31 | CBG | |
| 21:05.35 | DTRemenak | slightly? you've lived in apple's little world too long, CBG |
| 21:05.47 | L4m3r | or not long enough |
| 21:05.53 | CBG | DTRemenak: I've used XP... |
| 21:05.55 | DTRemenak | you wanna say OS9 is better than windows 98, I'll agree, fine |
| 21:06.10 | JeffM2501 | CBG, for how loing? a day? |
| 21:06.18 | DTRemenak | CBG: and I've used OS9. what's your point? |
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| 21:06.24 | JeffM2501 | did you then cry and throw the mouse when it wasn't excatly like OSX? |
| 21:06.29 | CBG | No, we use it in college, I studied ICT for a year. |
| 21:06.37 | Chestal | OS-9, the real-time OS? ;-) |
| 21:06.47 | CBG | JeffM2501: no, I just got mad at how shit it was. |
| 21:06.49 | DTRemenak | not THAT OS-9, Chestal :) |
| 21:06.56 | JeffM2501 | CBG, language please |
| 21:07.01 | CBG | :( sorry |
| 21:07.09 | L4m3r | mac OS was a joke up until OSX, really, which is why no one took Apple really seriously all those years |
| 21:07.33 | JeffM2501 | anything before 10.3 was still a joke |
| 21:07.33 | DTRemenak | ~L4m3r++ |
| 21:07.40 | JeffM2501 | 10.1 was horible |
| 21:07.45 | JeffM2501 | 10.2 ran slightly better |
| 21:07.54 | JeffM2501 | 10.3 was where it finaly started to get ok |
| 21:07.59 | L4m3r | all the way up through 9 it seemed to get prettier, and slower, without any major advances |
| 21:08.02 | JBdiGriz | Ooh, now we have people channelling the windows marketing people. ;) |
| 21:08.06 | DTRemenak | OSX was a good start even before 10.3, JeffM2501 |
| 21:08.07 | JeffM2501 | and at least windows still can run on older hardware :) |
| 21:08.16 | JeffM2501 | sure it was a good start, better then 10 |
| 21:08.18 | CBG | roflmao |
| 21:08.19 | JeffM2501 | better then 9 |
| 21:08.21 | JeffM2501 | I'll give it that |
| 21:08.27 | CBG | You need like, what, 10GB of Ram for vista. LOL |
| 21:08.35 | DTRemenak | heh, tried installing XP on a machine with 64mb of ram recently JeffM2501? |
| 21:08.37 | JeffM2501 | I can't install 10.4 on this G3, regardless of the ram |
| 21:08.46 | JeffM2501 | I mean even if you make it meet the ram |
| 21:08.50 | JeffM2501 | I have a gig in this G3 |
| 21:08.52 | CBG | I know peopl with 10.4 on G3s. |
| 21:08.56 | JeffM2501 | it just won't install |
| 21:08.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah you have to hack i tup |
| 21:09.00 | JBdiGriz | Nobody knows what you will need for Vista. It's not released yet. Stick with non-vapor for comparisons. |
| 21:09.12 | CBG | Unlikely, one such person is my grandparent. |
| 21:09.16 | JeffM2501 | I've installed XP on a P90 with 512 |
| 21:09.19 | JeffM2501 | it ran ok |
| 21:09.24 | L4m3r | lol |
| 21:09.28 | DTRemenak | ok? :) |
| 21:09.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah, it was a litte faster then 2k |
| 21:09.40 | CBG | He's a complete computer-newb but he has 10.4 on a G3 flower power. |
| 21:09.49 | JeffM2501 | I didn't expect it to be a blaser |
| 21:09.53 | JeffM2501 | but it ran |
| 21:09.57 | JeffM2501 | ran a bzfs server ok |
| 21:10.10 | DTRemenak | if it was for bzfs, should have put some nice bsd on it :) |
| 21:10.12 | JeffM2501 | woudln't play back an Mp3 with out stuttering tho :) |
| 21:10.30 | JeffM2501 | but still I could install it, with out going to extrordinary lengths |
| 21:10.33 | JeffM2501 | that's my point |
| 21:10.40 | JeffM2501 | apple picks mac lines to desuport |
| 21:10.46 | JeffM2501 | like all those old imacs |
| 21:11.02 | DTRemenak | netbsd runs on my toaster, too |
| 21:11.06 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:11.07 | CBG | My grandfather installed 10.4 on a G3 without going to 'extrordinary lengths'. That's MY point. |
| 21:11.12 | JeffM2501 | what G3? |
| 21:11.18 | CBG | a flower power |
| 21:11.18 | L4m3r | Kubuntu runs on my boat anchor :D |
| 21:11.23 | DTRemenak | actually I don't have a toaster. but I'd put netbsd on it if I had one |
| 21:11.24 | JeffM2501 | try on a beige |
| 21:11.27 | JeffM2501 | or a blue and white |
| 21:11.27 | CBG | Or wait, maybe not. |
| 21:11.40 | JeffM2501 | the later imac G3s are suported |
| 21:11.40 | CBG | I think we have the flower power and we run os 9. |
| 21:11.51 | CBG | So I dunno. |
| 21:11.56 | L4m3r | mine's a graphite that had (b0rked) OS9 |
| 21:12.01 | JeffM2501 | I can only go up to 10.3 on this blue and white |
| 21:12.16 | JeffM2501 | regardless of what I put in it |
| 21:12.34 | JeffM2501 | I also can't boot OS 9 to my mini |
| 21:12.37 | L4m3r | I can't put a faster hard drive in mine because it will overheat :| |
| 21:12.45 | JeffM2501 | I can boot my PC into dos if I had to :) |
| 21:13.18 | JeffM2501 | apple does some very specific things to force you eventualy into an upgrade path |
| 21:13.22 | CBG | yeah, I really envy you. |
| 21:13.23 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: the Mac's equivalent of the BIOS is just about as powerful as DOS, IIRC ;) |
| 21:13.23 | JeffM2501 | not that, it is totaly a bad thing |
| 21:13.32 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:13.38 | JeffM2501 | ok 98 |
| 21:13.43 | JeffM2501 | I could install 98 on my machine |
| 21:13.51 | JeffM2501 | if I was drunk and insane |
| 21:13.53 | DTRemenak | if you were masochistic |
| 21:13.53 | CBG | Wow, you lucky thing. |
| 21:14.02 | CBG | I sooooo wish I could do that. :| |
| 21:14.05 | JeffM2501 | well actualy here we'd like to install OS9 on the mini |
| 21:14.05 | L4m3r | I used 98 for so many years |
| 21:14.08 | JeffM2501 | but we can't |
| 21:14.13 | JeffM2501 | we are stuck with classic emulation |
| 21:14.20 | JeffM2501 | and it's not so good |
| 21:14.50 | JeffM2501 | OSX dosn't have a native resedit |
| 21:14.58 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: do you need PPC, or could you run 8.5 in Basilik or something? |
| 21:15.14 | JeffM2501 | we need to run mpw and resourcer |
| 21:15.28 | JeffM2501 | an emulator may be what we have to look at if we can't get off the mac in time. |
| 21:15.42 | JeffM2501 | we don't need any specific CPU, just res stuff |
| 21:15.46 | DTRemenak | Basilisk is quite capable |
| 21:15.53 | DTRemenak | it's m68k though |
| 21:15.55 | JeffM2501 | I'm just showing how apple has limited our options ;) |
| 21:15.58 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts fine |
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| 21:16.29 | JeffM2501 | this is the 3rd time they are making everyone redo there apps |
| 21:16.38 | JeffM2501 | ppc, OSX, intel |
| 21:17.00 | L4m3r | they're probably trying to drive everyone off |
| 21:17.10 | L4m3r | because they have their own offerings for just about everything |
| 21:17.29 | JeffM2501 | at least an old linux and win32 app will most likely work on the current OS versions, dependency's not wtihstanding |
| 21:17.44 | JeffM2501 | they certanly have not made adobe happy |
| 21:18.56 | JeffM2501 | if you had an old OS 7 68x00 app, and got a new mac, you'd be screwed. |
| 21:19.15 | JeffM2501 | hell any classic app, and got a new mac |
| 21:19.22 | CBG | So keep the old mac. |
| 21:19.28 | JeffM2501 | and when that breaks? |
| 21:19.49 | JeffM2501 | so what you are saying is, never buy a new computer from apple |
| 21:19.51 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 21:20.05 | CBG | no... |
| 21:20.16 | CBG | But if you need to use old software, keep your old macs. |
| 21:20.21 | CBG | They never break. |
| 21:20.25 | JeffM2501 | yes they do |
| 21:20.27 | JeffM2501 | drives will fail |
| 21:20.31 | CBG | We have like, 15 year old macs that work perfectly. |
| 21:20.31 | JeffM2501 | ram will fail |
| 21:20.41 | JeffM2501 | are they used contantly every day? |
| 21:20.49 | CBG | They were, yes. |
| 21:20.59 | JeffM2501 | you can't base a biz on "hope it dosn't break" |
| 21:21.05 | JeffM2501 | were or ARE? |
| 21:21.06 | CBG | Not recently, since we already got 5 computers for 4 people here. |
| 21:21.20 | CBG | They were put in our attic a couple months back. |
| 21:21.36 | JeffM2501 | still, that dosnt' mean all old macs are prefect |
| 21:21.43 | JeffM2501 | we have a huge pile of dead machiens |
| 21:22.03 | JeffM2501 | a small/med company can have 100's of machines |
| 21:22.54 | JeffM2501 | I just hope apple sticks with this OS/processor for a while |
| 21:23.04 | JeffM2501 | then they'll be able to look more atractive to biz |
| 21:23.24 | CBG | The move to intel was a one-f thing. |
| 21:23.27 | CBG | one-off* |
| 21:23.35 | JeffM2501 | not in there history |
| 21:23.39 | CBG | It's not like they're gonna keep switching back and for with each gen. |
| 21:23.39 | JeffM2501 | it's there second CPU swap |
| 21:23.47 | JeffM2501 | they did in the past ;) |
| 21:23.53 | CBG | How long ago was the previous time? |
| 21:23.56 | JeffM2501 | look at the track record |
| 21:24.06 | JeffM2501 | bout what 9-10 years |
| 21:24.19 | CBG | Yeah, exactly. |
| 21:24.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah not long |
| 21:24.36 | Gnurdux | you need 10 year old software to work? |
| 21:24.41 | JeffM2501 | some people do yeah |
| 21:24.45 | JeffM2501 | acounting systems |
| 21:24.49 | Gnurdux | ah yes |
| 21:24.50 | JeffM2501 | specialised software |
| 21:25.06 | JeffM2501 | upgrading those things to new hardware can cripple a system |
| 21:25.12 | CBG | The company is only about 20 years old. |
| 21:25.13 | JeffM2501 | systems that can NOT have downtime |
| 21:25.14 | CBG | So 10 years is long in that respect. |
| 21:25.19 | orange | witness the ridiculous number of as/400 systems still running |
| 21:25.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:25.34 | JBdiGriz | Are they running bzflag? |
| 21:25.40 | JeffM2501 | can they? |
| 21:25.41 | L4m3r | my family business used a machine so old that when 2000 came around they had to alter their checks with a type writer |
| 21:25.46 | orange | yes, but it requires a $50,000 library to do so |
| 21:25.54 | JeffM2501 | hah |
| 21:26.02 | JeffM2501 | unix emulation stuff? |
| 21:26.12 | JBdiGriz | If not, then you probably need to take it to the #unfairbusinesspractices channel. |
| 21:26.18 | orange | heh, I was kidding... I dunno if bzflag would run on it |
| 21:26.26 | JeffM2501 | what OS does it run? |
| 21:26.27 | JeffM2501 | solaris? |
| 21:26.35 | orange | os/400 I guess |
| 21:26.40 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 21:26.48 | JeffM2501 | if there is an SDL port, we are good :) |
| 21:26.59 | DTRemenak | it can run linux |
| 21:27.04 | JeffM2501 | then thre ya go |
| 21:27.06 | orange | an amazing amount of stuff does run there, but I don't think it has graphics to speak of |
| 21:27.15 | DTRemenak | os/400 is just a super-capable virtual machine iirc |
| 21:27.48 | DTRemenak | native programs run in their own little environment, or you can run, say, the linux kernel there |
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| 21:29.44 | orange | DTRemenak: cool deal on the scoreboard thing, by the way. That would be nifty. And it might be something I can cut/paste/hack my way through someday :-) |
| 21:30.31 | DTRemenak | it's harder than it seems, because of the way the "score vs" stuff is tracked |
| 21:31.00 | DTRemenak | but yeah, it could be done |
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| 21:36.14 | JeffM2501 | wish I could find the old UT reports |
| 21:36.20 | JeffM2501 | they were hella detatiled |
| 21:36.28 | JeffM2501 | they'd tell you what weapon you were best at and stuff |
| 21:40.07 | JeffM2501 | then had the options to publish all the stats to a centeral web system |
| 21:40.25 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: sometime when you're playing bz...oh wait...press "Home" |
| 21:40.44 | JeffM2501 | yah I know we have the shot tracker |
| 21:40.49 | JeffM2501 | but that's client side :) |
| 21:40.53 | JeffM2501 | I mean server side |
| 21:40.53 | DTRemenak | it's busted too |
| 21:41.02 | DTRemenak | laser doesn't count right |
| 21:41.13 | DTRemenak | but yeah. it's there. |
| 21:41.20 | DTRemenak | could be moved to server |
| 21:41.54 | CBG | Can anyone shed some light on this error: "/Applications/BZFlagApps/BZFlag-2.0.8.app/Contents/MacOS/BZFlag: Malformed Mach-o file" ? |
| 21:42.10 | DTRemenak | you're trying to link something that is not an object file, perhaps. |
| 21:42.45 | CBG | Well, it exists... |
| 21:43.09 | CBG | I have a .command file that runs "/Applications/BZFlagApps/BZFlag-2.0.8.app/Contents/MacOS/BZFlag -window -dir /Applications/BZFlagApps/BZFlag-2.0.8.app/Contents/Resources" and I get the mach-o error when I do that. |
| 21:43.24 | DTRemenak | that's odd |
| 21:43.29 | CBG | But I have another .command file which is the same except for 2.0.6 is replaced with 2.0.8 and it works fine. |
| 21:43.39 | JeffM2501 | I hijacked the shot stuff for the observer info |
| 21:43.44 | JeffM2501 | cus we called it on each shot :) |
| 21:43.49 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:43.49 | CBG | ack, I meant: 2.0.8 is replaced with 2.0.6 |
| 21:45.12 | CBG | I can't even just run '/Applications/BZFlagApps/BZFlag-2.0.8.app/Contents/MacOS/BZFlag ' in terminal |
| 21:45.29 | DTRemenak | it's probably busted then, CBG |
| 21:45.30 | JeffM2501 | it's malformed |
| 21:45.31 | JeffM2501 | a mutant |
| 21:45.39 | DTRemenak | does it glow? |
| 21:45.43 | CBG | reinstall 2.0.8.app ? |
| 21:45.44 | JeffM2501 | I didn't make it thru the teleporter |
| 21:45.51 | CBG | glow? |
| 21:46.12 | CBG | for some unknown reason, it has a color label, would that be it? |
| 21:50.48 | ToughShooter | A coloured label would tend to show you tinkered with it |
| 21:55.46 | CBG | ToughShooter: I applied a color label, but that is all. |
| 21:55.46 | CBG | If I had built it or something, I would have named it differently... |
| 21:55.46 | CBG | Well, I wouldn't have an .app, more to the point. |
| 21:57.22 | CBG | Reinstalled bzflag-2.0.8.app - works now. |
| 22:17.55 | CBG | JeffM2501: dev tools should be at /Macintosh HD/Developer or something, right? |
| 22:18.06 | JeffM2501 | they are installed all over |
| 22:18.18 | JeffM2501 | xcode usualy goes into aplications IIRC |
| 22:18.22 | CBG | But there would be a developer folder? |
| 22:18.26 | JeffM2501 | the smaller ones will go into other system folders |
| 22:18.31 | CBG | 'cause I don't see that. :/ |
| 22:18.35 | JeffM2501 | I think that is part of the default yes, |
| 22:18.39 | CBG | SO i'm guess it's just not installed. |
| 22:18.43 | JeffM2501 | did you reinstall it after you swaped drives? |
| 22:18.56 | CBG | No, and I forget how much stuff I backed up. |
| 22:19.05 | CBG | Maybe I only backed up the Users dir |
| 22:19.07 | JeffM2501 | install from the disks |
| 22:19.12 | CBG | Yep, will do. |
| 22:19.14 | JeffM2501 | you wouldn't want to manyaly put the apps back |
| 22:19.17 | JeffM2501 | it would be bad |
| 22:19.24 | JeffM2501 | as it's more then just a couple files |
| 22:19.33 | CBG | No, I was gonna wipe the Developers folder before re-installing |
| 22:19.41 | CBG | but, nvm i guess. |
| 22:20.29 | CBG | I hope it comes under "Additional Software" :| |
| 22:20.57 | JeffM2501 | in the 10.3 cd verison it was it's own disk |
| 22:21.04 | JeffM2501 | on the DVD it was in a folder |
| 22:21.19 | ToughShooter | There is a special uninstall script.. |
| 22:21.33 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't need to unisntall it |
| 22:21.36 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't have it |
| 22:21.38 | ToughShooter | Apple recommends running the script |
| 22:21.50 | JeffM2501 | he got a new drive, and didn't reinstall it |
| 22:21.56 | JeffM2501 | so he's clean for a new install |
| 22:22.03 | JeffM2501 | sice it's a new install of OSX |
| 22:22.06 | CBG | I think I copied my App dir, but, whatever. |
| 22:22.10 | CBG | We'll see how this goes. |
| 22:22.12 | ToughShooter | Then he needs the Xcode CD or he should download it |
| 22:22.15 | JeffM2501 | it'll overwirte, it should be ok |
| 22:22.22 | CBG | Yep, hope so. |
| 22:22.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah downloading 2.3 would be best |
| 22:22.29 | CBG | How do I tell if it's a DVD or CD, btw? |
| 22:22.37 | CBG | I never used xcode (afaik)... |
| 22:22.37 | JeffM2501 | how many disks did you get? |
| 22:22.53 | CBG | I have 2 with me, but may have had others that are elsewhere. |
| 22:22.56 | JeffM2501 | cd |
| 22:23.01 | JeffM2501 | dvd is all on one |
| 22:23.05 | ToughShooter | Was an extra CD in the 10.3 and older Mac case |
| 22:23.14 | JeffM2501 | it'll be a CD makred "developers tools" |
| 22:23.21 | CBG | Hmm, no Developer dir. |
| 22:23.32 | JeffM2501 | that's what came with my mini |
| 22:23.42 | ToughShooter | 10.4 and newer Macs have it on one DVD, the one where you can install your system from |
| 22:23.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:23.58 | CBG | I have 2 CDs here, I just tried the "Additional Software and Apple Hardware Test" one. |
| 22:24.11 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it's marked as just a developer CD |
| 22:24.14 | ToughShooter | No, wrong ones |
| 22:24.22 | CBG | The other is "Mac OS X Install Disc 2" and is unopened. |
| 22:24.34 | CBG | bummer. |
| 22:24.36 | JeffM2501 | check it, but IIRC it's it's own CD |
| 22:25.12 | CBG | I can't go hunting for another CD either, brother's asleep. |
| 22:25.14 | CBG | Can I download the dev tool set? |
| 22:25.31 | CBG | from ADC maybe? |
| 22:25.33 | JeffM2501 | if you sign up for ADC, you can download the 950 meg xcode 2.3 |
| 22:25.34 | ToughShooter | The CD should be labeled Xcode or Dev Tools |
| 22:25.36 | Skeeve | The Dev Tools are on a white CD labeled |
| 22:25.48 | Skeeve | Mac OS X Xcode Tools |
| 22:25.57 | CBG | JeffM2501: is that all I need? |
| 22:26.06 | JeffM2501 | not sure |
| 22:26.09 | CBG | If not I'll wait and hunt for the disc tomorrow. |
| 22:26.18 | JeffM2501 | I've always done the one that came with it, and then upgraded |
| 22:26.19 | ToughShooter | Yes, just the Xcode dmg |
| 22:26.20 | JeffM2501 | you can try |
| 22:26.29 | ToughShooter | It includes all, IIRC |
| 22:26.34 | CBG | Thanks :) |
| 22:26.35 | JeffM2501 | I would think it would |
| 22:26.43 | CBG | I see an XCode 2.4... |
| 22:26.49 | JeffM2501 | ahh they updated |
| 22:26.51 | JeffM2501 | go for it |
| 22:26.56 | JeffM2501 | how big is it? |
| 22:27.13 | CBG | yeah, 15MB |
| 22:27.16 | CBG | 915* |
| 22:27.25 | JeffM2501 | that sounds like the right size |
| 22:27.25 | CBG | heh, slight difference there :D |
| 22:27.32 | DTRemenak | 15mb would be a rather impressive compression ratio :) |
| 22:27.37 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 22:27.45 | ToughShooter | Heh, new compression algorithm ;) |
| 22:27.48 | CBG | heh |
| 22:28.02 | CBG | Thank god Safari remembers my ADC details. lol |
| 22:28.11 | DTRemenak | I know a great compressor. I think it's called "rm" or something. |
| 22:28.20 | CBG | lol DTRemenak |
| 22:28.22 | JeffM2501 | I hear it's a little lossy |
| 22:28.32 | CBG | "By checking this box I confirm that I have read and agree to be bound by the Apple Developer Connection Terms and Conditions. I also confirm that I am 18 years or older." uhmmm |
| 22:28.34 | DTRemenak | but the compression ratio is amazing |
| 22:28.40 | Skeeve | No DT It's mv ... /dev/null |
| 22:28.41 | CBG | WHy must one be 18 years old to download XCode? |
| 22:28.48 | CBG | XCode comes with porn now? :O |
| 22:28.58 | DTRemenak | CBG: because otherwise the ADC terms & conditions would not be legally binding |
| 22:29.00 | JeffM2501 | because you have to be 18 agree to the contract :) |
| 22:29.07 | CBG | Oops. |
| 22:29.14 | CBG | So, I'm untouchable. |
| 22:29.20 | CBG | I just agreed that I was 18 |
| 22:29.27 | DTRemenak | on the other hand, they can't do anything to you if you lie either. I never really understood that. |
| 22:29.28 | CBG | but I can't agree to anything 'cause I'm not 18. |
| 22:29.33 | CBG | So I didn't agree, so I didn't lie. |
| 22:29.55 | CBG | It's actually 938.2 MB :| |
| 22:29.57 | JeffM2501 | they could sue his parents for false info, if he did anything that would cause apple to be sued |
| 22:30.08 | DTRemenak | true |
| 22:30.17 | CBG | yeah, downloading XCode would be a great reason to sue my folks |
| 22:30.20 | JeffM2501 | since they are legaly responsible for all his actions |
| 22:30.30 | CBG | Not for much longer :o |
| 22:30.45 | CBG | Less than 6 months now, w00t. |
| 22:30.52 | JeffM2501 | if you used it to create a virus that killed all the stock markets, then somone tried to sue apple for giving you the tool, they could turn it back on your parents, cus you lied |
| 22:31.00 | Mr_Molez | I don't think they have a legal responsability once he is over 16 |
| 22:31.03 | CBG | Riiiight. |
| 22:31.09 | CBG | I'll bear it in mind, JeffM2501. |
| 22:31.16 | DTRemenak | CBG: careful... s/xcode/visual studio enterprise/ and it'd change from sarcasm to truth |
| 22:31.18 | CBG | Mr_Molez: oh, cool. |
| 22:31.20 | JeffM2501 | tho techincaly they could also get a court injuntion on your parents to make you stop using the sofware since your not licensed to use it. |
| 22:31.29 | CBG | DTRemenak: sheesh |
| 22:31.42 | CBG | JeffM2501: that'd be a lot of injuctions. |
| 22:31.53 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, for contractual obigations it's 18 in most of the world, but yes some rights to come off the parents at 16, just not all |
| 22:32.01 | CBG | Apple would have to devote ALL employees to tracking and injuntioning.... |
| 22:32.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah nothing would happen in reality |
| 22:32.13 | DTRemenak | what, like the RIAA? |
| 22:32.21 | CBG | lol... 1.1MB/sec, w00t. |
| 22:32.21 | JeffM2501 | would that be the AIAA? |
| 22:32.26 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:32.37 | Mr_Molez | nah that would be SCO :P |
| 22:32.43 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:32.58 | JeffM2501 | ok so just AAA |
| 22:33.02 | JeffM2501 | the apple asshat association |
| 22:33.09 | DTRemenak | AAA is already taken |
| 22:33.13 | CBG | if they sued me/my parents, they'd lose a VERY loyal customer. :) |
| 22:33.21 | DTRemenak | although I guess down here it's ACSC |
| 22:33.27 | JeffM2501 | they'd make it a white plastic AAA, and sue the old AAA |
| 22:33.31 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 22:33.38 | CBG | I have an income of £1/week but I'm saving up for an iMac. |
| 22:34.01 | JeffM2501 | CBG, apple sues there own, look at the people who run the rumor sites |
| 22:34.02 | Mr_Molez | CBG: dont u get EMA ? |
| 22:34.14 | CBG | JeffM2501: bleh, true. |
| 22:34.14 | JeffM2501 | they are just promting the apple stuff, and they get nailed all the time. |
| 22:34.31 | CBG | Mr_Molez: EMA??? is that where poor kids get paid for going to school every day for a year ? |
| 22:34.39 | Mr_Molez | CBG: yep |
| 22:34.45 | Mr_Molez | not poor kids lol |
| 22:35.12 | CBG | Nah, not poor enouhg. |
| 22:35.14 | CBG | Kinda well off, just that my dad's an ass. |
| 22:35.16 | CBG | He stopped my pocket money when I was like, 11. |
| 22:35.18 | CBG | My mates all get like £5/week and do sod all at home. |
| 22:35.30 | Mr_Molez | u can be a millionaire and u can still get it |
| 22:35.34 | JeffM2501 | so go get an afterschool job |
| 22:35.45 | CBG | JeffM2501: lololololol |
| 22:35.50 | CBG | You know me better than that. |
| 22:35.58 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to get one at some point in your life |
| 22:36.02 | CBG | Mr_Molez: hmm, I'm sure I am exempt. :/ |
| 22:36.16 | CBG | JeffM2501: sure, but not while I'm already i full time education. |
| 22:36.22 | CBG | I'm too damn lazy. |
| 22:36.30 | JeffM2501 | must be nice to have your parents pay for it all then |
| 22:36.39 | CBG | 'for it all' ? |
| 22:36.46 | JeffM2501 | the rest of your education |
| 22:36.52 | JeffM2501 | university and all that |
| 22:36.57 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: his parents will be getting child support and tax ALOT of deductions |
| 22:37.08 | CBG | JeffM2501: and what's the alternative? |
| 22:37.09 | JeffM2501 | still dosn't make it free |
| 22:37.16 | CBG | Besides, I may not go to uni. |
| 22:37.22 | JeffM2501 | I see |
| 22:37.30 | JeffM2501 | well good luck on that job hunt then |
| 22:37.47 | JeffM2501 | you could come here and be DTRemenak's assistant |
| 22:37.52 | CBG | And even if I do, I'll stay in Wales, so the education fees are dropped and I'll also live at home... |
| 22:38.04 | CBG | So only fees would be supplies. |
| 22:38.18 | CBG | JeffM2501: I want to go into web design, programming, that sort of thing. |
| 22:38.19 | JeffM2501 | way to show ambition ;) |
| 22:38.31 | CBG | ... |
| 22:38.34 | CBG | I'm shy. |
| 22:38.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah, programing.. we don't do any of that here do we? |
| 22:39.00 | CBG | If I go too far away I'll chicken out. |
| 22:39.15 | JeffM2501 | I fear for your first job interview |
| 22:39.24 | CBG | Even if I stay local, I may still chicken out, but there's less chance if I'm still living at home. |
| 22:39.33 | CBG | Me too. ;) |
| 22:40.11 | JeffM2501 | maybe molez will hire you |
| 22:40.21 | JeffM2501 | he's closer |
| 22:40.36 | CBG | I was under the impression that SOME webdesign/programming type firms would prefer to employ me without a Uni education anyway. |
| 22:40.50 | JeffM2501 | it's rare |
| 22:41.10 | JeffM2501 | some do lots of functional testing on the aplicatants |
| 22:41.19 | JeffM2501 | but it helps to have some experience, even in school |
| 22:41.28 | JeffM2501 | if DTRemenak had no college, he'd not be here |
| 22:41.50 | CBG | The computing courses in all the uni's I've looked at all suck anyway. |
| 22:41.55 | JeffM2501 | you have to give them some indication that you know what your talking about |
| 22:42.01 | CBG | hardly any actually teach you any kind of language. |
| 22:42.10 | JeffM2501 | but they show you can actualy sit thru a class |
| 22:42.14 | CBG | I hate all the bull**** stuff you have to learn in ICT. |
| 22:42.15 | JeffM2501 | not all job tasks are fun |
| 22:42.25 | JeffM2501 | they need to know you can finish a task |
| 22:42.35 | CBG | I can sit through classes, I have down so for 13 years of my 17 year life. |
| 22:42.52 | CBG | "Social Impacts of ICT" yeah, whatever. |
| 22:42.55 | JeffM2501 | HS dosn't count, it's siting thru the ones you choose to be in :) |
| 22:43.02 | CBG | Like I really want to learn that trash. |
| 22:43.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah there's a winner attitude! |
| 22:43.14 | CBG | JeffM2501: and college...? ;) |
| 22:43.15 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 22:44.16 | CBG | I was "taught" to make a website about 3 years back, some time after I taught myself HTML. |
| 22:44.33 | CBG | We were instead, just taught how to use FrontPage or whatever the heck that thing is called. |
| 22:45.12 | CBG | It operated like Word and gave out the crappiest code ever. |
| 22:45.25 | CBG | I was also not allowed to do it any other way, I HAD to use the stupid thing and make the worst site in the history of the internet. |
| 22:45.37 | CBG | Now THATS education........ :| |
| 22:46.18 | JeffM2501 | ahh to be young and always right again :) |
| 22:46.49 | CBG | What? |
| 22:46.57 | JeffM2501 | nothing :) |
| 22:47.01 | CBG | You think it was important that I made a site in frontpage? |
| 22:47.10 | CBG | I didn't learn ANYTHING new except that it SUCKED. |
| 22:47.18 | JeffM2501 | I think it was important that you learn what other apps are out there |
| 22:47.27 | CBG | I could have made a BETTER site, in HTML, with NICE code, in LESS time. |
| 22:47.27 | JeffM2501 | learning that something sucks is still learning |
| 22:47.36 | CBG | I knew it was there. |
| 22:47.38 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure you could have |
| 22:47.48 | JeffM2501 | then why didn't you just test out of the course? |
| 22:47.59 | CBG | "test out of the course" ? |
| 22:48.08 | JeffM2501 | most classes you can challenge |
| 22:48.14 | JeffM2501 | basicly say "I know this, test me" |
| 22:48.21 | JeffM2501 | if you pass, you get the credit |
| 22:48.25 | CBG | Uhhh not in the UK system. |
| 22:48.28 | JeffM2501 | and don't have to do the class |
| 22:48.33 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure they have a way |
| 22:48.40 | CBG | It was in year 9, before we had any choice on what subjects we did. |
| 22:48.40 | JeffM2501 | but your shy, you may not have gone to ask |
| 22:48.47 | CBG | It was ICT which everyone does for the whole year. |
| 22:48.52 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:48.56 | CBG | 1 or 2 hours per week. |
| 22:49.09 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:50.43 | CBG | awww man http://cbg.sh.nu:5120/xcode.jpg |
| 22:51.12 | JeffM2501 | 30 gig, dude that's nothin |
| 22:51.23 | JeffM2501 | move stuff to an external |
| 22:51.30 | CBG | I need 10.4... |
| 22:51.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:51.47 | CBG | I guess I need older xcode. |
| 22:51.51 | JeffM2501 | well find our disks then |
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| 22:53.39 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03timriker 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ScoreboardRenderer.h: reorder again, and test this time |
| 22:53.45 | CBG | I would hope I can get an older version on ADC... but I don't see one. :( |
| 22:53.56 | JeffM2501 | they have no reason to keep them |
| 22:54.23 | CBG | Except for me. :( |
| 22:54.35 | JeffM2501 | they want you to upgrade |
| 22:54.44 | JeffM2501 | they arn't making any money off you |
| 22:55.12 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 22:56.51 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: that regression baseline is friggin huge |
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| 22:58.08 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 22:58.42 | DTRemenak | 1.3gb copied, 34k+ files, and 90 minutes remaining, according to MS' notoriously unreliable estimate |
| 22:58.58 | JeffM2501 | now do you see why I want to automate it? |
| 22:59.03 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:59.29 | DTRemenak | now I see why it takes so long to run ;) |
| 23:01.47 | spldart | My boss suxors |
| 23:03.04 | spldart | Hrm.. but that's a universal constant isn't it... NM |
| 23:04.59 | Teppic | Yeah, i work for myself and my boss sucks too.... |
| 23:07.25 | spldart | I used too for a few years... I was pretty cool... But the IRS kept auditing me over and over... I was 3 an 1 with them but that got tiresome |
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| 23:07.57 | brlcad | oop |
| 23:08.32 | Teppic | Ahh, my accountant does all that stuff |
| 23:08.57 | spldart | Yeah. they don't screw with someone who has an accountant near as much |
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| 23:09.30 | spldart | But trust me.. If your up and up and have all your documents they aren't infallable.. I beat them so bad once I got penalties and interest from them. |
| 23:09.39 | Teppic | I went to school with the guy, it's good really 'cos he's far more tolerant of my shabby bookeeping skills. |
| 23:09.56 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:12.10 | Teppic | He did throw a bit of a fit when I told him I threw all receipts and invoices away after scanning them, well, it it the digital millenia, I have a paperless office, and millions of CDRs. |
| 23:12.39 | spldart | man.. I only have several thousand cdr's .. you pwn me ;-) |
| 23:13.02 | spldart | well... at least a few thousand |
| 23:13.04 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 23:21.59 | CBG | Ok, I went in search of those disks and I did find 2 other apple cds |
| 23:22.18 | CBG | One is the Aiport Extreme Software Installer and the other is my Protection Plan cd. |
| 23:22.24 | CBG | That's it. :/ |
| 23:22.35 | JeffM2501 | then your missing one |
| 23:23.04 | CBG | It won't be "Mac OS X Install Disc 2" ? :( |
| 23:23.16 | JeffM2501 | check and see |
| 23:25.20 | CBG | It seems I would put this disk in when 'Mac OS X Install Disc 1' is done. |
| 23:25.25 | CBG | Though, where is that one too..? :/ |
| 23:25.31 | CBG | Probably with the Xcode one. Heh. |
| 23:26.03 | JeffM2501 | just stick it and see |
| 23:26.06 | JeffM2501 | be man :) |
| 23:26.15 | CBG | I did. |
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| 23:26.31 | CBG | the readme seems to say I would put this disk in when 'Mac OS X Install Disc 1' is done. |
| 23:26.54 | JeffM2501 | what is on the disk |
| 23:27.09 | CBG | a "Packages" folder |
| 23:27.29 | JeffM2501 | and that contains? |
| 23:27.33 | CBG | and the readme |
| 23:28.30 | CBG | iDVD, GarageBand, things like CPU_OfficeTDS_disk... |
| 23:29.38 | Skeeve | What's on here, CBG? What are you missiong? |
| 23:29.39 | spldart | Anyone else get a 4 day? |
| 23:33.04 | CBG | developer tools, Skeeve |
| 23:33.05 | Skeeve | Okay... No answer... I go to bed |
| 23:33.09 | Skeeve | Ahh |
| 23:33.21 | Skeeve | Download didn't work? |
| 23:33.47 | CBG | Not on 10.3.9 |
| 23:34.06 | Teppic | Decisions: to use mp3tag via external popen command or native python pyid3lib? |
| 23:35.08 | Teppic | Someone choose for me please, before I die of procrastination.... |
| 23:35.52 | Skeeve | Hmmm.. My disc contains 614MB How long would that need to upload? |
| 23:36.24 | CBG | Skeeve: depends on your connection... |
| 23:36.37 | Skeeve | 17hours :-( |
| 23:36.40 | Skeeve | Sorry |
| 23:36.48 | CBG | Don't worry, I didn't search too much, not even downstaires yet. |
| 23:36.57 | CBG | I will in the daytime. ;) |
| 23:37.25 | Skeeve | I bought 10.3 as an update. So it's a seperate CD here. |
| 23:37.41 | Skeeve | As I described earlier. White. With the Xcode Logo |
| 23:37.44 | CBG | I'm pretty sure my iBook came with 10.3... |
| 23:37.55 | Skeeve | How old is it? |
| 23:37.56 | CBG | So I should have all those discs too. |
| 23:38.05 | CBG | Around 18 months. |
| 23:38.17 | CBG | Feb 2005, iirc. |
| 23:38.33 | Skeeve | it came with 10.3 |
| 23:38.41 | CBG | Yeah, so I should have it. :( |
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| 23:39.05 | CBG | Well, could easily be downstairs, or in upteen places I didn't look upstairs. |
| 23:39.09 | CBG | umpteen* |
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| 23:42.35 | Skeeve | http://connect.apple.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/MemberSite.woa/105/wa/download?path=%2FDeveloper_Tools%2Fxcode_v1.5%2Fxcode_tools_1.5_cd.dmg.bin&wosid=JK3V6jgyqaGg3ZNemb614QH8Pj8 |
| 23:42.42 | Skeeve | Ups |
| 23:42.56 | Skeeve | Nevermind... XCode 1.5 is available on ADC |
| 23:43.02 | Skeeve | It's for 10.3 |
| 23:43.05 | CBG | xcode 1.5!!!! thanks Skeeve |
| 23:43.16 | CBG | You rock, man, :) |
| 23:43.21 | CBG | ~Skeeve++ |
| 23:43.43 | Skeeve | ;-) Why didn't you find it on ADC I'm asking myself ,-) |
| 23:43.56 | CBG | No idea, I did look. |
| 23:44.06 | Skeeve | It's way down in downloads |
| 23:44.23 | Skeeve | about the last third |
| 23:44.43 | CBG | uh, :( well, thanks :D |
| 23:45.14 | CBG | ~Skeeve++ |
| 23:46.19 | spldart | ~Skeeve++ |
| 23:46.26 | spldart | ~CBG++ |
| 23:46.42 | Skeeve | What does tish mean? |
| 23:46.48 | spldart | ::) |
| 23:46.53 | CBG | Oi, spldart, the other way please :) |
| 23:46.58 | CBG | Skeeve: karma :) |
| 23:47.05 | CBG | ~karma CBG |
| 23:47.05 | ibot | cbg has karma of -363 |
| 23:47.09 | spldart | ~karma spdlart |
| 23:47.09 | ibot | spdlart has neutral karma |
| 23:47.13 | Skeeve | Hmmm... |
| 23:47.16 | spldart | ~karma spldart |
| 23:47.16 | ibot | spldart has neutral karma |
| 23:47.21 | spldart | ~karma CBG |
| 23:47.21 | ibot | cbg has karma of -363 |
| 23:47.23 | Skeeve | ~karma Skeeve |
| 23:47.23 | ibot | skeeve has karma of 3 |
| 23:47.27 | spldart | ~CBG-- |
| 23:47.28 | DTRemenak | ~karma |
| 23:47.28 | ibot | dtremenak has karma of 178 |
| 23:47.30 | Skeeve | Aha... |
| 23:47.30 | spldart | better? |
| 23:47.46 | CBG | Ok, who's the joker running a bot at night to increase my karma? |
| 23:47.52 | CBG | I was lower than that last time I checked. :/ |
| 23:47.54 | DTRemenak | if you want to know your own, you don't need to append your callsign |
| 23:48.00 | Skeeve | So Chris Wheelchair should have something around -9 Million? ;-) |
| 23:48.26 | spldart | No... -eleventy billion |
| 23:48.43 | Skeeve | gazillion ;-) |
| 23:48.58 | DTRemenak | spldart: be careful of integer rollovers |
| 23:49.05 | spldart | LOL |
| 23:49.34 | spldart | first had that happen in my hacks for Ultima IV for the Apple II+ |
| 23:49.43 | DTRemenak | yay for FF |
| 23:49.49 | DTRemenak | or FFFF |
| 23:49.49 | spldart | Yeppers |
| 23:49.53 | spldart | Just FF |
| 23:49.54 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:50.30 | spldart | But I could stand toe to toe with Lord British for a good quarter of an hour ;) |
| 23:51.30 | spldart | Now it's FPS |
| 23:51.43 | DTRemenak | there could be fantasy FPS' |
| 23:51.48 | DTRemenak | I didn't say I didn't like RPGs |
| 23:51.51 | DTRemenak | just not fantasy :) |
| 23:51.54 | spldart | LOL |
| 23:52.08 | DTRemenak | (and yes, I'm a nice little hypocrite, and play Guild Wars...) |
| 23:52.14 | spldart | Where does Duke3d > UT 2k4 stand.... |
| 23:52.15 | spldart | I like those |
| 23:52.30 | DTRemenak | unreal is scifi |
| 23:52.38 | DTRemenak | which is cool |
| 23:52.49 | DTRemenak | course I don't care for unreal either |
| 23:53.00 | spldart | wow |
| 23:53.12 | DTRemenak | but it's just because I don't like twitch games :) |
| 23:53.25 | spldart | heh |
| 23:53.26 | DTRemenak | strategy and thought is where it's at |
| 23:53.32 | DTRemenak | like bzflag |
| 23:53.33 | DTRemenak | ;) |
| 23:53.40 | spldart | I'm totally bzflag right now |
| 23:54.16 | spldart | it pulled me away from UT in fact |
| 23:58.15 | Skeeve | CBG: Does your download work? |
| 23:58.44 | CBG | Skeeve: yeah, instaling now, Thanks again!!! :D |
