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| 00:17.59 | Bz_Win | Is there a special way I need to apply "flatshading" to a mesh ? |
| 00:18.08 | Bz_Win | when I put it in the face bzfs yells at me |
| 00:19.14 | JeffM2501 | you controll that with the normals |
| 00:19.27 | JeffM2501 | if all the vertex normals go the same way then it'll apear flat |
| 00:20.07 | Bz_Win | Ah, I kept trying to apply flatshading in every way possible to my mesh :P |
| 00:20.38 | Bz_Win | thanks jeff |
| 00:20.38 | JeffM2501 | sure |
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| 03:31.53 | a_temp_dist | who actually owns the server at bzwar.bzflag.org:5155 "BZWAR - The Two Tanks" |
| 03:32.12 | a_temp_dist | they are asking players to use /register and /identify |
| 03:32.37 | a_temp_dist | which seems kinda strange for a server on bzflag.org server |
| 03:32.42 | a_temp_dist | server |
| 03:32.48 | Bz_Win | 1st Counsul |
| 03:33.03 | a_temp_dist | OK thx |
| 03:38.59 | Mr_Molez | a_temp_dist: *.bzflag.org domains are given out free to anyone |
| 03:39.40 | a_temp_dist | even if they don't know what they are doing? OK |
| 03:39.45 | Mr_Molez | yep |
| 04:06.56 | JeffM2501 | they are tim's to do as he sees fit |
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| 12:17.33 | Mr_Molez | Pimpi: ping |
| 12:17.36 | Mr_Molez | |zongo|: ping |
| 12:29.13 | Manu | Mr_Molez: any problem? |
| 12:29.27 | Manu | Pimpi is not here |
| 12:29.59 | Mr_Molez | oh just wanted to offer a suggestion, request, help |
| 12:30.11 | Mr_Molez | the 1vs1 replay server |
| 12:30.17 | Manu | ah |
| 12:30.19 | Mr_Molez | in /replay list |
| 12:30.38 | Mr_Molez | i think it would be best to show the most recent matches last |
| 12:31.05 | Manu | usually you want to see the last one |
| 12:31.05 | Mr_Molez | because at the moment people have to do /replay load # about 1000 times before they find the match they want to replay |
| 12:32.07 | Mr_Molez | at the moment it shows 0-200 |
| 12:32.26 | Mr_Molez | would be best if it shows the 1000-1200 |
| 12:32.36 | Mr_Molez | i have code somewhere to do it |
| 12:32.41 | Mr_Molez | i use it on my replay server |
| 12:33.50 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:34.08 | Mr_Molez | will that show the most recent |
| 12:35.03 | Mr_Molez | hmm nah thats not it |
| 12:35.07 | Mr_Molez | seems to list them randomly |
| 12:35.54 | trepan | Mr_Molez: what server? |
| 12:36.00 | Manu | I'm quick pressing enter :/ |
| 12:36.02 | Mr_Molez | trepan: dub.bzflag.org:5159 |
| 12:36.27 | Mr_Molez | oh wait no |
| 12:36.32 | Mr_Molez | it lists them by who played |
| 12:38.30 | trepan | heh, it isn't random |
| 12:39.10 | trepan | RRtime filetime; // amount of time in the file (not my choice for the sorting criteria) |
| 12:39.48 | Mr_Molez | -t lists by who played :P |
| 12:40.23 | trepan | :P ... ? and, no, it didn't |
| 12:40.50 | Mr_Molez | you didn't what ? |
| 12:41.00 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.04 | Mr_Molez | oh |
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| 12:55.58 | Badenser | Hi all .. does anyone know the "two tanks" map? Sometimes I have problems with it. If I land (or respawn) on the tanks side above, I am locked or "sealed" (do not know the english original) |
| 12:56.16 | Badenser | others dont seem to have problems ... only me ... any ideas how to debug? |
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| 13:31.33 | CBG | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8805 |
| 13:33.07 | Mr_Molez | oh i bought some of that, good stuff |
| 13:35.12 | CBG | heh |
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| 14:11.06 | Pimpi | Mol |
| 14:11.11 | Pimpi | hm |
| 14:11.19 | brlcad | moin |
| 14:11.33 | Pimpi | hi brlcad :) |
| 14:11.38 | Pimpi | Mr_Molez: pong |
| 14:13.49 | Pimpi | brlcad: interesting, that you still remember that kind of greeting, even within germany it?s used only in small regions |
| 14:16.16 | Manu | wellcome back Pimpi :) |
| 14:16.28 | Pimpi | ty Manu :) |
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| 15:28.29 | ToughShooter | ~bzflist |
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| 16:00.36 | Mirella | hello |
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| 16:26.06 | TD-Linux | where did my.bzflag.org/weblogin go? |
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| 16:27.09 | ToughShooter | Did it ever exist? |
| 16:27.17 | TD-Linux | yeah |
| 16:27.23 | TD-Linux | I'm quite sure of it |
| 16:27.28 | ToughShooter | I wasn't aware of it |
| 16:27.42 | TD-Linux | checkToken.php says it should be there |
| 16:27.46 | ToughShooter | Could be lost in the move from nid's to brlcad's box |
| 16:27.58 | TD-Linux | must have broke some websites if that happened |
| 16:28.05 | TD-Linux | :/ |
| 16:28.09 | JeffM2501 | no it should be there |
| 16:28.14 | JeffM2501 | it was there yesterday |
| 16:28.37 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 16:28.42 | TD-Linux | it isn't there today |
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| 16:29.44 | JeffM2501 | it's weblogin.php |
| 16:29.48 | JeffM2501 | not a dir called weblogin |
| 16:29.54 | TD-Linux | oh okay |
| 16:30.05 | TD-Linux | checkToken.php should be changed to account for that |
| 16:30.05 | JeffM2501 | so it never went anywhere |
| 16:30.16 | JeffM2501 | checktoken is just a sample |
| 16:30.27 | JeffM2501 | writen by someone who has no clue how to write php |
| 16:30.35 | TD-Linux | I could figure that out |
| 16:30.41 | TD-Linux | that's the URL that it said in the comments |
| 16:30.44 | JeffM2501 | and had no biz writing it in the first place |
| 16:30.56 | TD-Linux | well |
| 16:31.01 | ToughShooter | Hmm, the suffix should not be required |
| 16:31.05 | TD-Linux | it appears to work |
| 16:31.07 | ToughShooter | That would be bad style |
| 16:31.21 | JeffM2501 | it's on bsd, it may work difrent then linux |
| 16:31.28 | JeffM2501 | so it may have used to work, then stoped working |
| 16:31.44 | blast007 | ToughShooter: the suffix is required since apache is not set up to guess extensions |
| 16:32.11 | ToughShooter | Well, it can be configured to do so |
| 16:32.24 | JeffM2501 | would that not be a security issue? |
| 16:33.03 | ToughShooter | huh? |
| 16:33.12 | JeffM2501 | having it guess extensions |
| 16:33.20 | JeffM2501 | guess not |
| 16:33.21 | ToughShooter | Why should it be? |
| 16:33.26 | JeffM2501 | but it's not how it's set up |
| 16:33.40 | JeffM2501 | full path is best, no confusion in case you have more then one file in the dir |
| 16:33.43 | JeffM2501 | with the same name |
| 16:34.09 | TD-Linux | I many times have a file named the same thing as a folder... |
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| 16:34.36 | TD-Linux | I'm okay with wasting an extra 4 bytes in my script :) |
| 16:34.38 | JeffM2501 | well then I'm happy for you :) |
| 16:35.04 | JeffM2501 | but it can be confusing if oyu have a name.php and name.html, and it's not easaly aperant what one apache picks |
| 16:35.14 | blast007 | it's the whole "don't use extensions in case you change programming languages" thing |
| 16:35.30 | JeffM2501 | I can see that |
| 16:35.36 | blast007 | so you tell apache to determine the extension automatically, so links don't break in the future |
| 16:35.36 | JeffM2501 | but I can see reasons for puting them in too |
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| 16:35.52 | blast007 | yeah |
| 16:35.54 | JeffM2501 | it's brlcad's server and that's how it's set up |
| 16:35.58 | JeffM2501 | so we deal |
| 16:36.09 | JBdiGriz | Don't use extensions, because it's a terrible way of determining the contents of a file. |
| 16:36.24 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, then tell brlcad that |
| 16:36.46 | JBdiGriz | brlcad: Don't use extensions, because it's a terrible way of determining the contents of a file. |
| 16:36.51 | JeffM2501 | heh :) |
| 16:37.00 | JeffM2501 | he's not actualy listening |
| 16:37.01 | TD-Linux | my solution to our school's rule of no .exe's on our memory sticks: rename. |
| 16:37.25 | spldart | HEH |
| 16:37.27 | JeffM2501 | memory sticks are evil |
| 16:37.36 | spldart | but their cute little evils |
| 16:37.41 | JBdiGriz | Unfortunately, most software engineers decided that the DOS model of file naming was the way to go, and they hardcoded it into the software. |
| 16:38.03 | TD-Linux | mine is a cheap little evil with a worn out cap that doesn't stay on, a loose PCB, and a scratched case. |
| 16:38.15 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, the discussion is about web server extensions, having apache take www.thing.com/blarg instead of www.thing.com/blarg.php |
| 16:38.28 | JeffM2501 | the old my.bzflag.org took the former, where we now do the later |
| 16:38.59 | JBdiGriz | apache is a prime example of the hardcoding of extension names. Why does it insist on using 8.3 to determine what to do with a file? |
| 16:39.11 | TD-Linux | *.3 |
| 16:39.12 | orange | it doesn't, but you can configure it that way |
| 16:39.18 | JeffM2501 | isn't it *.*? |
| 16:39.26 | orange | you can tell it an entire directory is of a certain type |
| 16:39.30 | TD-Linux | that makes more sense I guess |
| 16:39.38 | orange | or an arbitrary pattern, iirc |
| 16:39.51 | JeffM2501 | if you have more then one file of the same name for some reason I could see it being anoying |
| 16:39.53 | JBdiGriz | At this point it is *.*, but the whole idea of extensions is dated. |
| 16:39.57 | JeffM2501 | but I don't know what else he runs on his server |
| 16:40.15 | JeffM2501 | or if he's just configed it that way |
| 16:40.16 | orange | you can explicitly type each file individually, but that's a pain |
| 16:40.24 | orange | 'magic' typing is evil, though |
| 16:40.49 | JBdiGriz | meta data typing isn't evil |
| 16:40.57 | JeffM2501 | that's why I can see reasons for and against :) |
| 16:41.04 | orange | a la macintosh? |
| 16:41.09 | TD-Linux | file extensions are wonderful |
| 16:41.12 | orange | resource forks? |
| 16:41.13 | JeffM2501 | file type and creator code :) |
| 16:41.21 | JeffM2501 | it sucked when you lost those |
| 16:41.22 | TD-Linux | Microsoft uses file extensions in interesting ways |
| 16:41.27 | JBdiGriz | a la Unix V7 |
| 16:41.39 | TD-Linux | in Zoo Tycoon 2, all the data files are really renamed .zip's containing XML |
| 16:41.43 | ToughShooter | :o what did I start |
| 16:41.48 | JeffM2501 | same for quake3 |
| 16:42.05 | JBdiGriz | Macs just created Resource forks as a way of implementing them. It wasn't necessarily the best way. |
| 16:42.40 | orange | the whole thing is somewhat bound by filesystems |
| 16:42.47 | orange | but |
| 16:43.01 | orange | if you had metadata on files, I'm quite sure you could easily teach apache to honor them to choose filetype |
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| 16:43.16 | orange | the problem is it wouldn't be cross-platform, or even cross-filesystem |
| 16:43.35 | JeffM2501 | standardised file systems :) |
| 16:43.42 | orange | good luck :-) |
| 16:43.51 | TD-Linux | the only one that is really standard is FAT |
| 16:44.10 | orange | the only 'metadata' you can almost always count on being able to do... |
| 16:44.11 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, not realy, try sticking a fat disk in a system 6 mac |
| 16:44.14 | orange | is to stick a .something at the end :-) |
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| 16:45.08 | JBdiGriz | orange: Somehow we broke out of the 8.3 mechanism that DOS/FAT foisted on us. I'm just pointing out that there were better mechanisms at the time, but it wouldn't have have worked cross-platform (that is with DOS/FAT0 |
| 16:45.41 | TD-Linux | what we did is we put a second 'fake' file to go along with every normal file, and tagged it as a disk label so it wouldn't appear in file listings. |
| 16:46.03 | orange | heh, yeah... and confused millions :-) |
| 16:46.27 | JBdiGriz | That's another current implementation of meta-data. |
| 16:46.36 | DTRemenak | JBdiGriz: don't blame DOS, it's DEC's fault, and CP/M picked it up first. MS was just trying to make sure DOS would deal with CP/M stuff correctly. |
| 16:47.13 | DTRemenak | TD-Linux: and that makes you special? |
| 16:47.22 | TD-Linux | yes :D |
| 16:47.22 | JBdiGriz | We broke DEC's mechanism by getting rid of RT/11 and the like and switching to Unix. |
| 16:47.51 | JBdiGriz | In what definition of "special"? (short bus?) |
| 16:48.00 | DTRemenak | ~dict special |
| 16:48.09 | DTRemenak | not that one |
| 16:48.14 | DTRemenak | ~dict 1 special |
| 16:48.25 | JBdiGriz | 14 definitions, he'll be at this for a while. |
| 16:48.37 | DTRemenak | Particular, peculiar; different from others; extraordinary... |
| 16:48.45 | DTRemenak | as Mr. Webster says |
| 16:57.16 | ToughShooter | What is the copyright situation on the german translation file? |
| 16:59.10 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: unless otherwise noted in the file, it's the same as the rest of bzflag. copyright assigned to tim, licensed under the lgpl. |
| 16:59.16 | ToughShooter | Hmm |
| 16:59.20 | ToughShooter | It is different |
| 16:59.38 | ToughShooter | There's an email mentioned at the beginning of the file |
| 17:00.44 | orange | short bus, heh |
| 17:00.46 | DTRemenak | author != copyright holder |
| 17:00.55 | ToughShooter | http://bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag/data/l10n/bzflag_de.po?view=log |
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| 17:01.56 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts just saying who wrote it |
| 17:02.35 | ToughShooter | When someone else changes it is no longer only his changes, correct? |
| 17:02.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:02.47 | ToughShooter | Should I keep the email? |
| 17:02.53 | JeffM2501 | so they can also put there email and info up there if they want to |
| 17:02.55 | DTRemenak | you can add yourself to the author line if you'd like |
| 17:03.00 | JeffM2501 | it's good form to keep his |
| 17:03.01 | JeffM2501 | and add yours |
| 17:03.10 | DTRemenak | unless you completely rewrote it you should keep his also |
| 17:04.11 | JeffM2501 | and since your the one who likes to point out people who misrepresent map authors, I'd think you'd want to not misrepresent the rest of the file ;) |
| 17:05.16 | ToughShooter | Well, the translation is so incomplete and partly "not so good" |
| 17:05.40 | DTRemenak | you can choose to rewrite it from scratch, if you'd like |
| 17:05.40 | JeffM2501 | ok so fix it and add your info |
| 17:06.00 | JeffM2501 | he still did the work, so if you keep some of the work, then it's good to mention the work they did |
| 17:06.21 | JeffM2501 | it may not be perfect, but he tried to help, so we should acknowledge that |
| 17:06.44 | ToughShooter | Yes, it's better than nothing ;) |
| 17:07.01 | JeffM2501 | extra credit is better then no credit |
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| 17:09.57 | JeffM2501 | erstellen means help in German right? |
| 17:10.11 | ToughShooter | nope |
| 17:10.16 | JeffM2501 | what does it mean? |
| 17:10.28 | ToughShooter | to create / to make |
| 17:10.31 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 17:10.33 | ToughShooter | depending on context |
| 17:10.40 | JeffM2501 | makes sense then :) |
| 17:10.49 | ToughShooter | going to match |
| 17:10.54 | JeffM2501 | I'm moving posts to the new help fourm :) |
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| 17:15.40 | Teppic | I'm writing the wiki for BZWTools, can anyone suggest a subversion client for windows? |
| 17:15.53 | JeffM2501 | the best one :) |
| 17:16.00 | Teppic | The easiest one. |
| 17:16.05 | JeffM2501 | the same one |
| 17:16.10 | Teppic | .... |
| 17:16.13 | JeffM2501 | tortouise SVN |
| 17:16.21 | Teppic | Cheers |
| 17:16.21 | JeffM2501 | the best and easiest |
| 17:16.32 | JeffM2501 | they have cvs and svn clients |
| 17:19.56 | TD-Linux | tortoiseCVS is good, haven't tried the SVN one |
| 17:20.05 | JeffM2501 | it works exactly the same |
| 17:20.15 | JeffM2501 | one was based on the other |
| 17:20.50 | JeffM2501 | that's cus you like to type :) |
| 17:21.06 | TD-Linux | tortoise is clicky |
| 17:21.07 | JeffM2501 | well tort is beter then sourcesafe |
| 17:21.23 | DTRemenak | no, it's 'cause I hate things that try to integrate into explorer ;) |
| 17:21.41 | DTRemenak | eww sourcesage |
| 17:21.44 | DTRemenak | s/g/f |
| 17:21.53 | spldart | I hate that about tortoise too :( |
| 17:22.04 | TD-Linux | I have a ton of things integrated into explorer... my popup menu is like 400 pixels long |
| 17:22.15 | spldart | eeeeuuuuuwwwaaahh |
| 17:22.34 | JeffM2501 | well it does have to do with files, and exporer deals with files, so it does make some sense |
| 17:22.48 | JeffM2501 | for me it's one easy interface to deal with files |
| 17:22.54 | JeffM2501 | not a seperate window |
| 17:23.01 | TD-Linux | I like that too |
| 17:23.14 | TD-Linux | that's probably why I like Konqueror so much |
| 17:23.26 | JeffM2501 | difrent strokes for difrent folks |
| 17:23.26 | L4m3r | Konqueror rules. |
| 17:23.32 | JeffM2501 | at least we all have options |
| 17:23.42 | TD-Linux | it can even do sftp... |
| 17:26.09 | DTRemenak | konqueror: kde copying the worst parts of windows... |
| 17:26.32 | JeffM2501 | a number of people like it ;) |
| 17:26.34 | ToughShooter | KHTML is nice |
| 17:26.44 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: some people like windows too ;) |
| 17:26.46 | ToughShooter | Just the frontend is.. |
| 17:26.55 | JeffM2501 | cus it works for them |
| 17:27.01 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: ok, that's granted, khtml is way superior to trident :) |
| 17:27.22 | Bz_Win | Can anyone reccomend a good Mac IRC client? I keep stumbling onto the "30 day free trial" things |
| 17:27.24 | DTRemenak | but then, *anything* is superiour to trident ;) |
| 17:27.34 | JeffM2501 | Bz_Win, xchat aqua |
| 17:27.45 | orange | does irssi run on mac? |
| 17:27.54 | L4m3r | Bz_Win: yeah, xchat aqua is decent |
| 17:28.14 | ToughShooter | orange: Why should irssi not run on the Mac? |
| 17:28.14 | JeffM2501 | it isn't the flashyest client, but it works, is stable, and has all the features most people need |
| 17:28.21 | DTRemenak | orange: you can always run it over an ssh connection ;) |
| 17:28.22 | L4m3r | orange: if not, you could always SSH into a linux box and run it that way ;) |
| 17:28.34 | orange | well, yeah, that's what I do, with screen |
| 17:28.39 | L4m3r | DTRemenak: jinx |
| 17:28.40 | orange | but I assumed he was looking for native :-) |
| 17:28.45 | ToughShooter | orange: http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ports/?by=name&substr=irssi |
| 17:29.13 | orange | cool |
| 17:29.21 | L4m3r | lol |
| 17:29.23 | orange | it's not flashy, but it works |
| 17:29.50 | L4m3r | why is it that, when people talk about linux clients, no one ever mentions Konversation? |
| 17:30.22 | Theme97 | Because they're already having a Konversation. |
| 17:30.25 | ToughShooter | Jus don't use colloquy, a lot of other stuff is way better |
| 17:31.21 | L4m3r | What is a good windows client? |
| 17:31.24 | L4m3r | I' |
| 17:31.28 | JeffM2501 | xchat |
| 17:31.34 | L4m3r | I'm starting to loathe gaim |
| 17:31.42 | L4m3r | xchat isn't free though, is it? |
| 17:31.46 | JeffM2501 | sure it is |
| 17:31.53 | JeffM2501 | just not the windows builds from the "official" place |
| 17:31.55 | L4m3r | oh wait, you have to compile it |
| 17:31.59 | L4m3r | that's right |
| 17:32.00 | JeffM2501 | there are 9 oother peoiple who have builds |
| 17:32.00 | ToughShooter | xchat runs on windows®? wow |
| 17:32.09 | JeffM2501 | it's run on windows for a very long time |
| 17:33.22 | ToughShooter | Hmm, what guarantees binaries from 3rd party people are not compromised? |
| 17:33.32 | JeffM2501 | rep |
| 17:33.55 | JeffM2501 | if you are that woried about it you can always build your own |
| 17:34.10 | ToughShooter | it's like when we would charge for official bz builds, there would be a lot of versions out there ;) |
| 17:34.15 | Birdie | i have it for a long time now, never had any troubles |
| 17:34.28 | JeffM2501 | there are people that do charge for bz builds. |
| 17:34.56 | DTRemenak | really? |
| 17:34.58 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: the check's in the mail |
| 17:34.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:35.02 | JeffM2501 | linspire |
| 17:35.07 | DTRemenak | ahh, them |
| 17:35.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah them |
| 17:35.11 | DTRemenak | bastards |
| 17:35.14 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 17:35.20 | ToughShooter | First I thought you would be kidding |
| 17:35.45 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, it's not against the license, they just have to give source out too |
| 17:36.28 | ToughShooter | Yes, I've studied the license, it's just I did not think one could make money with it |
| 17:36.37 | JeffM2501 | well it's linspire |
| 17:36.45 | JeffM2501 | who said anything about them bein Profitable ;) |
| 17:37.08 | JeffM2501 | it's all part of a service that installs the apps for you, so that's where the users get some theoretical advantage |
| 17:37.49 | DTRemenak | as if ./configure && make && make install is difficult... |
| 17:38.25 | JeffM2501 | it is when your the anti-linux |
| 17:38.39 | ToughShooter | make install is evil in Mac OS X |
| 17:38.58 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: then you use rpm -ivh, or apt-get install.... |
| 17:38.59 | ToughShooter | That's why I use a costum shell script for it :p |
| 17:39.13 | JeffM2501 | like apt ever has a current version of bz ;) |
| 17:39.42 | DTRemenak | heh. debian's repositories might be a bit behind, but they're not the only apt-user out there |
| 17:39.47 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 17:40.01 | JeffM2501 | linspire was/is a joke of an OS too |
| 17:40.16 | JeffM2501 | basicly all you can do is browse the web and check e-mail |
| 17:40.33 | JeffM2501 | after that you have to pay a service fee to get access to there "download system" |
| 17:40.43 | ruskie | lol |
| 17:41.05 | JeffM2501 | and that sucker don't come with make or a compiler, so it's not like your easaly geting your own stuff in there |
| 17:41.18 | Bz_Win | they must be a branch of microsoft, oh, wait, its too chap of a price to come from microsoft |
| 17:41.29 | DTRemenak | heh, so you have to pay in order to not pay :) |
| 17:41.47 | ToughShooter | Even windows® sounds like being better |
| 17:41.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah I don't think it's that valid of a biz model |
| 17:41.57 | JeffM2501 | and it was fugly |
| 17:41.59 | JeffM2501 | and slow |
| 17:42.04 | JeffM2501 | but that may have been the machine |
| 17:42.26 | JeffM2501 | it was on the geode before I added more ram |
| 17:43.50 | JeffM2501 | once it got a real OS and some ram, it's been runin like a chap |
| 17:43.52 | JeffM2501 | champ |
| 17:43.58 | JeffM2501 | with out a fan at all |
| 17:44.21 | JeffM2501 | can't complain for a 130$ system |
| 17:46.21 | DTRemenak | certainly |
| 17:46.50 | JeffM2501 | wonder if I put a video card in it |
| 17:47.30 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 17:47.40 | DTRemenak | why 3? |
| 17:47.41 | JeffM2501 | gonna add a fake lag layer |
| 17:48.03 | DTRemenak | don't really need a third for that |
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| 17:48.07 | JeffM2501 | I want to get 3 systems with difrent lag profiles all runing a fixed path, and then have each client test the others to see how far off |
| 17:48.13 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 17:48.52 | JeffM2501 | to see how good my lag comp ideas will run |
| 17:48.52 | JeffM2501 | 2 just gives each client one other to look at |
| 17:48.54 | JeffM2501 | more then 3 is just overkill |
| 17:49.06 | ToughShooter | Interesting |
| 17:49.26 | ToughShooter | Did you change the proto against stuff like lookahead? |
| 17:49.38 | JeffM2501 | it's not based on bzflag |
| 17:49.40 | JeffM2501 | at all |
| 17:49.41 | DTRemenak | gpx is different ;) |
| 17:49.53 | JeffM2501 | it's all udp, all the time |
| 17:49.58 | JeffM2501 | with a sycned clock |
| 17:50.01 | ToughShooter | Hmm, I thought it was a branch of it :o |
| 17:50.03 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 17:50.09 | JeffM2501 | it's all new code |
| 17:50.29 | JeffM2501 | has the new texture and font managers that may go into BZ tho :) |
| 17:50.32 | ToughShooter | Is it prepared against lookahead? |
| 17:50.49 | JeffM2501 | I don't understand what you mean by "lookahead" |
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| 17:51.03 | JeffM2501 | you mean prediction based on a pos and a timestamp? |
| 17:55.57 | TD-Linux | hmm.... tokens can be only validiated once ? |
| 17:56.07 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 17:56.14 | JeffM2501 | they are invalidated after being verified |
| 17:56.18 | JeffM2501 | that way you cant' save them |
| 17:56.21 | JeffM2501 | or somone can't steal yours |
| 17:56.44 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 17:57.35 | TD-Linux | so, if I want to keep someone 'logged in' to my website, I have to store similar token data in files? |
| 17:59.34 | JeffM2501 | that would be the job of your site's session stuff |
| 17:59.34 | JeffM2501 | not our stuff |
| 17:59.35 | JeffM2501 | that's normal website stuff |
| 17:59.35 | TD-Linux | I know... |
| 17:59.35 | JBdiGriz | Didn't Linspire get sued by MS because there original name was Winsux or something similar? |
| 17:59.36 | JeffM2501 | lindows |
| 17:59.36 | JeffM2501 | MS lost |
| 17:59.37 | JeffM2501 | but they changed there name anyway |
| 17:59.38 | JBdiGriz | Actually, they lost in the US, but won in Europe. |
| 17:59.51 | JBdiGriz | They changed their name because of the European lawsuit. |
| 18:00.09 | JeffM2501 | realy |
| 18:00.09 | JeffM2501 | wiered |
| 18:00.15 | JeffM2501 | so they copyrighted the word "windows" in europe? |
| 18:00.20 | JeffM2501 | all the poor house contractors |
| 18:09.38 | TD-Linux | trademarked :) |
| 18:09.45 | JBdiGriz | I believe all French installers have to pay a MS license fee now. ;) |
| 18:09.45 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:09.46 | JeffM2501 | so they let them trademark windows, then fined them millions of euros for others tuff |
| 18:09.46 | JeffM2501 | seems like that when a company get to a certan size, it'd be easyer for them to just become a country |
| 18:09.46 | JBdiGriz | Are you are asking me to defend European legal decisions? |
| 18:09.46 | JeffM2501 | no I just find it funny |
| 18:09.46 | ToughShooter | Windows® is like a trademark in Europe, for England and North America it's just a normal word, but not for the rest |
| 18:09.46 | ruskie | erm |
| 18:09.46 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there are better things for you to defend JBdiGriz ;) |
| 18:09.51 | ruskie | wth |
| 18:10.02 | TD-Linux | especially in countries where English is not the official language, I would suppose |
| 18:10.13 | JBdiGriz | I just read the news, I don't have to believe it's rational. |
| 18:10.18 | JeffM2501 | when is the news rational? |
| 18:10.38 | JeffM2501 | it's all war, and paris hiltons butt |
| 18:10.38 | ruskie | considering that ppl call ms windows "ms Okna" here I wonder if that TM applies |
| 18:10.42 | JBdiGriz | I'm sure you're spending a lot of time on Paris Hilton's butt. |
| 18:10.54 | ruskie | lol |
| 18:10.54 | JeffM2501 | I find her scarry |
| 18:11.03 | JBdiGriz | It must be the reconstructions. |
| 18:11.03 | JeffM2501 | and kinda fugly |
| 18:11.08 | ruskie | I have no clue who that even is :) |
| 18:11.13 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, you sir, are a lucky man |
| 18:11.23 | ruskie | if you say so :) |
| 18:11.28 | JeffM2501 | now the DoD lady from eureka.... I could stand to hear more about her butt |
| 18:11.32 | JBdiGriz | Of course, if you know about the scars on her butt, then you're probably spending more time on it than most people. |
| 18:11.39 | ruskie | I just do sane stuff on the net... i.e. don't open random tinyurl links, don't open random images, don't check every oddball url ppl paste etc :) |
| 18:11.39 | JeffM2501 | yay it's thai food day :) |
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| 18:11.42 | JeffM2501 | anyone here know about the status of "masterbot"? |
| 18:11.54 | ruskie | JBdiGriz, lol I certainly avoid urls like that :) |
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| 18:29.25 | JeffM2501 | paint? |
| 18:29.39 | JeffM2501 | what the heck is mario doing with paint! |
| 18:47.32 | DTRemenak | took a screenshot and pasted it into paint, and he was drawing on it (in hot pink, no less) |
| 18:47.36 | Birdie | how to check if a server is online? |
| 18:47.48 | Birdie | ~dns 81.164.108.16 |
| 18:47.50 | Birdie | like that? |
| 18:47.50 | JeffM2501 | HAH |
| 18:47.50 | ruskie | try pinging it? |
| 18:47.50 | JeffM2501 | isn't it bzfsquery or smething |
| 18:47.50 | JeffM2501 | or yeah a ping |
| 18:47.50 | Theme97 | ~bzfquery bzfx.net:6026 |
| 18:47.55 | ruskie | depends what server the physical box and connection or specificaly some server :) |
| 18:47.59 | Theme97 | ~bzfsquery bzfx.net:6026 |
| 18:48.05 | Theme97 | :'( |
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| 18:48.06 | L4m3r | Argooon's bzfquery seems to be working |
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| 20:53.45 | TD-Linux | someone said something about masterbot? |
| 20:54.35 | TD-Linux | status.... |
| 20:54.40 | TD-Linux | the CVS actually works... |
| 20:54.48 | TD-Linux | *CVS code |
| 20:55.20 | TD-Linux | maybe BZFX could use it... |
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| 22:05.44 | Chestal | einfach abschalten, also das Internet, nicht die tagesthemen |
| 22:05.51 | Chestal | oopsa |
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| 23:37.48 | JeffM2501 | he's going the distance.... he's going for speed.... |
| 23:38.25 | brlcad | he's all alone |
| 23:42.36 | JeffM2501 | in her time of need |
| 23:42.38 | orchid | :) |
| 23:43.16 | JeffM2501 | it involves smacking |
| 23:43.27 | orchid | JeffM2501: prodigy? |
| 23:43.32 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 23:44.04 | JeffM2501 | a number of the bzg songs have stayed in the playlist for all this time ;) |
| 23:44.17 | orchid | did you recover your music btw? |
| 23:44.43 | JeffM2501 | about 60% of it |
| 23:44.55 | JeffM2501 | baby's got an atom bomb... 22 mega tons... |