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| 00:02.47 | Skeeve | It needs about an hour.... I go to bed. Good night! |
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| 00:18.15 | zee677 | umm hello? |
| 00:18.19 | Mr_Molez | hi |
| 00:27.05 | zee677 | so... a friend of mine sent me this link and i haven't a clue really what he wanted me to do |
| 00:27.16 | I_Died_Once | share the link |
| 00:27.36 | JeffM2501 | it's to the z web IRC |
| 00:27.52 | JeffM2501 | your on a webchat about a video game |
| 00:27.57 | zee677 | ok you may have to explain exactly wha that is |
| 00:28.07 | zee677 | oh!! |
| 00:28.14 | JeffM2501 | it's a web interface to an IRC channel about the game bzflag. |
| 00:28.18 | zee677 | yeah that sound like him!! haha |
| 00:28.28 | zee677 | I've never played or anything |
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| 01:24.14 | mmarshall | Are threads enabled by default? |
| 01:24.24 | Gnurdux | on windows, yes |
| 01:24.29 | Gnurdux | i think no on linux |
| 01:24.56 | mmarshall | ok |
| 01:25.34 | bryjen | i don't think bzflag really does much with threads. Tupone had started to add some stuff... |
| 01:25.50 | bryjen | ~seen Tupone |
| 01:26.03 | ibot | tupone <n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone> was last seen on IRC in channel ##essy, 28d 4h 37m 27s ago, saying: 'hi SportChick'. |
| 01:26.03 | Gnurdux | bryjen, the windows server uses some threads... |
| 01:26.04 | mmarshall | I'm having some hard to predict segfaults, and the bt isn't too helpful; I was wondering if maybe threads were complicating things. |
| 01:26.52 | mmarshall | But I guess not. |
| 01:27.07 | Gnurdux | it seems ServerLink is the only part that uses threads |
| 01:27.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's all one thread |
| 01:29.24 | JeffM2501 | it jsut does it to wait async |
| 01:30.07 | JeffM2501 | you'll notice it closes the thread right after it creates it ;) |
| 01:30.46 | mmarshall | Are the plugin events called recursively? As in, if inside a join event a plugin kills a player, will the kill event be called right then, or will the first event first run its course? |
| 01:31.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's right hten |
| 01:31.12 | JeffM2501 | right then |
| 01:31.15 | mmarshall | Alright |
| 01:31.18 | JeffM2501 | the kill function calls the events again |
| 01:31.24 | JeffM2501 | they arn't qued up or anything |
| 01:32.18 | JeffM2501 | bzfs is just prety much a big loop |
| 01:36.10 | JeffM2501 | actualy the only reason for that thread is because who ever wrote that didn't want to hook into our existing message callback in platform. |
| 01:52.02 | CBG | wow, I missed Jeff by 20 seconds. |
| 01:52.08 | CBG | Just tried to PM him now... :( |
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| 03:01.28 | [NP]Tangent | grr, I hate when people do that |
| 03:01.35 | [NP]Tangent | come on and for the entire time they are there |
| 03:01.41 | [NP]Tangent | bug me about making them admin |
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| 03:02.32 | L4m3r | first time, say no. Second time, kick. Rinse. Repeat. |
| 03:03.15 | [NP]Tangent | I told him if he was nice and played often, I'd consider it.... eventually. whenever that is. |
| 03:03.18 | [NP]Tangent | probably never. |
| 03:03.27 | L4m3r | no, no, never give them hope. |
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| 03:04.01 | L4m3r | just say "admin-asking is an offense, and I never take anyone who asks" |
| 03:04.09 | L4m3r | that shuts them up. |
| 03:04.10 | [NP]Tangent | I only took one person who asked |
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| 03:04.18 | [NP]Tangent | but that's because he'd been playing a while and was a nice guy |
| 03:04.41 | JeffM2501 | do you need more admins? |
| 03:04.46 | [NP]Tangent | no |
| 03:04.55 | [NP]Tangent | I have five, including me, I believe |
| 03:04.59 | CBG | ooh, ooh, can I be admin?!?! |
| 03:05.00 | JeffM2501 | then why even tell him you'll consider it |
| 03:05.06 | JeffM2501 | just say' I have enough thanks' |
| 03:05.09 | [NP]Tangent | I told him "eventually" |
| 03:05.10 | [NP]Tangent | yeah |
| 03:05.14 | [NP]Tangent | I told him I had plenty as it was |
| 03:05.17 | JeffM2501 | that still leaves it open |
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| 03:05.47 | [NP]Tangent | meh |
| 03:05.55 | [NP]Tangent | he'll probably forget about it in a day |
| 03:05.59 | [NP]Tangent | most of the idiots on my server do |
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| 03:13.52 | JeffM2501 | CBG, brad , knock your crap the hell off |
| 03:13.59 | QuantumBeep | I wonder why someone would want to be admin anyway... it's just headaches |
| 03:17.17 | [NP]Tangent | so they get a pretty @ next to their name |
| 03:17.20 | [NP]Tangent | yo CBG |
| 03:17.50 | [NP]Tangent | yeah, so I intend to be making another map that's more league-styled |
| 03:18.44 | L4m3r | *sigh* in all politeness... can something be done about servers who list-whore with 10+ bots? |
| 03:19.00 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 dosn't list the bots |
| 03:19.14 | [NP]Tangent | yeah, L4mer, like that Daler server? |
| 03:19.23 | L4m3r | Yeah... |
| 03:19.47 | L4m3r | I've left some polite messages there, but the only thing that's changed is the map |
| 03:19.50 | A-Delusion | but on the other end is teppic's, who is newb-freindly with bots |
| 03:20.10 | L4m3r | yeah, but he uses what, three? four? |
| 03:20.30 | L4m3r | and they go away on request when the server gets crowded |
| 03:21.28 | L4m3r | I think that perhaps some rules ought to be set regarding the list server and the use of bots. |
| 03:22.17 | L4m3r | Or better, disable -solo bots when -public is used |
| 03:23.04 | L4m3r | that would save many other server owners a lot of headache from n00bs who try to bring in a bunch of bots |
| 03:27.29 | brlcad | no skeeve apparently -- that was an automake bug related to recursive subdir configurations |
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| 03:29.20 | I_Died_Once | awwwwww, why was Brian Peppers removed? |
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| 03:31.23 | Mr_Molez | a rule on the list server for bots is stupid. there are server options to disable bots, if server owners are too stupid to use them that's their problem. People arn't forced to play on servers, if they don't like it they leave |
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| 03:32.21 | orange | well, if the goal is to indicate popularity, it's a false measure |
| 03:32.30 | orange | so there's some value in limiting it |
| 03:32.39 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, enough with the disurbing pictures |
| 03:32.43 | JeffM2501 | it's geting annoying |
| 03:33.34 | JeffM2501 | oh we'll never disable bots at a global level |
| 03:33.36 | JeffM2501 | that would be stupid |
| 03:33.49 | JeffM2501 | now not leting them affect the sort... that's another thing |
| 03:33.53 | Mr_Molez | telling people what they can and can't do with their servers is silly. If people want a server full of bots they should be able to, having a server full of bots might be apart of thier server style. No need to nanny everything |
| 03:35.10 | JeffM2501 | a favorates, and ignore tab woudl help a lot too on the client side |
| 03:35.40 | I_Died_Once | not to forget "setting profiles" |
| 03:35.52 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 03:36.13 | Mr_Molez | There is a way not to count bot players in the server list right ? |
| 03:36.16 | I_Died_Once | like in that thread... one profile for playing this style, one for that style |
| 03:36.25 | I_Died_Once | support for multiple configs |
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| 03:36.54 | JeffM2501 | we have that as part of the command line |
| 03:37.18 | JeffM2501 | i'd rather see more server stuff fixed before we do an in game change for it |
| 03:38.03 | JeffM2501 | I'm also not personaly inclined to support any CBG idea at this time. |
| 03:38.21 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (NEWS plugins/NEWS): append a metadata footer noting where to get more info and how the file should be conventionally formatted (one per line, column 80, no tabs) |
| 03:39.21 | mmarshall_ | oops, did I do it wrong? |
| 03:39.31 | brlcad | mmarshall_: nope |
| 03:40.31 | brlcad | just a random commit, one of a couple thousand lil details that weigh on my mind from time to time |
| 03:40.53 | mmarshall | Ahh, ok |
| 03:41.26 | JeffM2501 | you'll often find that when you make a commit to something, it makes others look at the same place and do things they wanted to do there too ;) |
| 03:41.50 | mmarshall | That makes sense. |
| 03:42.12 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: ideas should be judged on their merit, not judged on how much you like the person that gave it :P |
| 03:42.36 | QBeep | Not true; there is something to be said for ulterior motives. |
| 03:42.38 | I_Died_Once | What Molez said |
| 03:42.50 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 03:42.54 | JeffM2501 | I said personaly |
| 03:42.55 | I_Died_Once | errr... What Molez said in theory |
| 03:43.04 | Mr_Molez | I_Died_Once: lol |
| 03:43.11 | JeffM2501 | the first part was based on merit |
| 03:43.19 | JeffM2501 | the second part was my pesonal opinion |
| 03:43.24 | JeffM2501 | I am not allowed one? |
| 03:43.32 | QBeep | Heck no. |
| 03:43.33 | Mr_Molez | never ! :) |
| 03:43.41 | I_Died_Once | Have mine |
| 03:43.55 | JeffM2501 | yours is icky |
| 03:43.56 | QBeep | ^^ you don't want his, trust me |
| 03:44.57 | I_Died_Once | I lvoe you guys too |
| 03:45.25 | JeffM2501 | I never said it was a bad idea, just that I'd like to see other thigns done first |
| 03:46.33 | mmarshall | Is this channel logged anywhere? |
| 03:46.49 | Mr_Molez | mmarshall: ibot.rikers.org |
| 03:46.50 | trepan | ~logs |
| 03:46.53 | ibot | methinks logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 03:47.05 | mmarshall | lol |
| 03:47.13 | QBeep | Bot knows all |
| 03:48.02 | mmarshall | Can you make that thing work for me in real life too??? |
| 03:50.55 | I_Died_Once | In 2.2, there needs to be a fix for when a world weapon ends someone rampages and stops it from saying UNKNOWN |
| 03:51.11 | JeffM2501 | not yety |
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| 04:47.35 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/README: |
| 04:47.35 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: yet another major restructuring and rewrite. extensively rewrite the CHEAT |
| 04:47.35 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: section adding details on network abuse and possible actions that may be taken |
| 04:47.35 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: during disruptions. add a table of contents and reorder some of the major |
| 04:47.35 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: sections for effective layout. make the project history, contributions, and |
| 04:47.36 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: contact details readily available at the end. no need to introduce the intro |
| 04:47.38 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: with the new layout too. |
| 04:48.30 | JeffM2501 | the readme has a TOC? |
| 04:49.09 | brlcad | yeppers |
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| 04:49.44 | brlcad | an up front "exec summary" of sorts |
| 04:50.08 | JeffM2501 | maybe it should be pdf next and have pictures ;) |
| 04:50.23 | brlcad | since the install instructions alone are rather extensive.. though they could likely be removed into INSTALL where they belong |
| 04:50.36 | brlcad | even without install stuff, though, it's still rather detailed |
| 04:50.40 | brlcad | mebbe.. :) |
| 04:51.15 | brlcad | automatically actually.. the ToC matches the section headers.. would be trivial to convert to html/pdf/etc with proper linkages |
| 04:51.44 | brlcad | i ran across a shell script that would convert txt to html like that for you automatically.. was pretty sweet |
| 04:52.04 | dot | . |
| 04:52.41 | JeffM2501 | too bad you can't put in "being a dick" as one of the bad things ;) |
| 04:53.17 | DTRemenak | why not? |
| 04:53.30 | JeffM2501 | dosn't fit the tone ;) |
| 04:54.03 | brlcad | heh |
| 04:54.08 | L4m3r | how about "being a richard"? |
| 04:54.27 | JeffM2501 | well the end should say "and dude.. don't forget your helmet" |
| 04:55.29 | L4m3r | ....or, more seriously, you could just list "trolling" |
| 04:56.43 | brlcad | trolling is somewhat argumentative since trollers generally see their trolling as a justified form of speech |
| 04:56.56 | brlcad | there are a couple catch-all statements in there |
| 04:57.18 | brlcad | basically anything deemed disruptive or simply inappropriate |
| 04:57.37 | L4m3r | brlcad: I have seen those types referred to as "rebels without a clue" |
| 04:57.50 | JeffM2501 | "don't want none.. don't start none" |
| 04:58.08 | L4m3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.18 | JeffM2501 | "suck it up buttercup" |
| 04:58.51 | orange | we need permamute |
| 04:58.59 | JeffM2501 | uggg. don't you hate it when your eyes focus INTO the screen cus you been staring at a 3d dispay for to long? |
| 04:59.00 | orange | for more muting goodness |
| 04:59.06 | L4m3r | orange: on my list of things |
| 04:59.07 | JeffM2501 | you have that |
| 04:59.13 | orange | yeah, with groups |
| 04:59.14 | JeffM2501 | no per user |
| 04:59.21 | L4m3r | no, you can opt-out of groups |
| 04:59.22 | JeffM2501 | add a userdb but no passeb |
| 04:59.30 | JeffM2501 | you can't opt out of local groups ;) |
| 04:59.31 | JeffM2501 | or local users |
| 04:59.42 | orange | ahh, the long-neglected local users |
| 04:59.45 | orange | never thought of that |
| 04:59.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah add talk as a specific deny |
| 05:00.03 | L4m3r | oh, which reminds me, question... |
| 05:00.15 | L4m3r | I notice that the API has some add/revoke perm functions. |
| 05:00.16 | orange | but a better interface to it (like /ban) would be nice |
| 05:00.41 | JeffM2501 | write a plugin ;) |
| 05:00.41 | L4m3r | Do these write permanently to a userdb or are they temporary? |
| 05:00.41 | orange | heh |
| 05:00.42 | JeffM2501 | umm I don' tknow |
| 05:00.46 | JeffM2501 | they just set the perm |
| 05:00.51 | JeffM2501 | they don't force a flush tho |
| 05:01.00 | JeffM2501 | so I guess they'd be saved on the next flush |
| 05:01.02 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 05:01.34 | orange | would be nice if anti-kick permission was automatically temporarily revoked if a player is marked NR |
| 05:01.57 | orange | or, more to the point, not honored if a player is nr |
| 05:02.04 | orange | I bet that'd be easy to do actually |
| 05:02.10 | JeffM2501 | don't know if the server knows they are NR |
| 05:02.59 | L4m3r | I'd really like to just bind the function to a command |
| 05:03.01 | orange | that would complicate it |
| 05:03.09 | orange | (the nr thing, not the bind) |
| 05:03.10 | L4m3r | so if need be, you could just do any of that manually |
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| 05:03.52 | orange | ahh, JeffM2501, I think it does |
| 05:04.05 | orange | because the server switches rabbits if it happens |
| 05:04.13 | orange | if (playerData.player.hasStartedToNotRespond()) { |
| 05:04.16 | orange | heh, nice name |
| 05:05.01 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 05:05.10 | DTRemenak | tupone had an interesting way of naming functions :) |
| 05:05.16 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, yeah it'll set the structure, then on the next save save the data |
| 05:05.28 | JeffM2501 | where has he been at? |
| 05:05.43 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, you could easaly add a save api call |
| 05:05.44 | blast007 | :) |
| 05:05.45 | DTRemenak | I dunno |
| 05:05.53 | DTRemenak | I think he left about the time you got project admin though :S |
| 05:05.55 | L4m3r | or TimeKeeper::SunExplodeTime |
| 05:05.59 | L4m3r | or whatever that was |
| 05:06.02 | orange | gotta be for spawning, DTRemenak |
| 05:06.07 | blast007 | ~seen Tupone |
| 05:06.11 | ibot | tupone <n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone> was last seen on IRC in channel ##essy, 28d 8h 17m 35s ago, saying: 'hi SportChick'. |
| 05:06.11 | DTRemenak | orange: yup :) |
| 05:06.11 | orange | heh |
| 05:06.33 | JeffM2501 | I know he went to hungary for like 3 weeks but that was months ago |
| 05:06.39 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 05:06.41 | L4m3r | thx jeff, I'll play with it |
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| 05:38.42 | A_Meteorite | eek |
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| 05:38.43 | DTRemenak | wheee |
| 05:38.43 | A_Meteorite | all those quits and joins almost crash my client :) |
| 05:38.53 | A_Meteorite | *beep, beep beep* |
| 05:39.58 | JeffM2501 | your computer can't play 20 sounds with out crashing? |
| 05:40.16 | A_Meteorite | well, when it's all at once |
| 05:40.17 | A_Meteorite | it hangs |
| 05:40.21 | A_Meteorite | just this app though |
| 05:40.41 | JeffM2501 | so your OS can't play them async? |
| 05:40.41 | blast007 | irssi just tells me there is a netsplit, and what names split ;) |
| 05:41.02 | A_Meteorite | apparently so |
| 05:41.20 | JeffM2501 | wow that sucky OS is that/ |
| 05:41.30 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 05:41.39 | A_Meteorite | either that colloquy could of been designed badly |
| 05:41.49 | A_Meteorite | it has no problem with genocide and all the TK sounds |
| 05:41.59 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 05:42.01 | blast007 | coloquy has genocide and TK sounds? |
| 05:42.06 | A_Meteorite | no, bzflag does |
| 05:42.06 | blast007 | ;) |
| 05:42.16 | A_Meteorite | you hear about two dozen of them if you hit a teamie |
| 05:42.23 | JeffM2501 | the app dosn't play sounds, the OS does |
| 05:42.26 | A_Meteorite | which bzflag doesn't hang there |
| 05:42.41 | A_Meteorite | well, I don't know what's up then :) |
| 05:42.50 | JeffM2501 | bzflag actualy mixes them itself and uses the OS as little as possible |
| 05:42.57 | JeffM2501 | so realy it must be your OS ;) |
| 05:43.05 | A_Meteorite | ok, mac os x sounds sucks |
| 05:43.08 | A_Meteorite | there. I said it. |
| 05:43.09 | A_Meteorite | ;) |
| 05:43.41 | A_Meteorite | anyways, I got to go and do more housework *gasp* gotta finish before inspection tomorrow morning for section 8/hud |
| 05:43.45 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 05:43.47 | A_Meteorite | later |
| 05:44.04 | A_Meteorite | but it pays off |
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| 11:46.28 | Skeeve | Hi bricad! Are you there? |
| 11:47.14 | brlcad | sometimes |
| 11:47.29 | Mr_Molez | brlcad: has a friend !! :P |
| 11:47.39 | Skeeve | DTRemenak told me you are the autogen.sh expert# |
| 11:47.55 | brlcad | automake bug |
| 11:48.06 | Skeeve | I have a problem on my Mac |
| 11:48.06 | brlcad | it's always an automake bug .. ;) |
| 11:48.18 | Skeeve | Any way to fix it? |
| 11:48.24 | brlcad | j/k, what's up? |
| 11:48.50 | Skeeve | Okay... When I run ./auogen.sh and ./configure, top_srcdir becomes . |
| 11:49.10 | Skeeve | make fails in plugins then not finding misc/depcomp |
| 11:49.32 | brlcad | rightly so |
| 11:49.41 | Skeeve | when I run /Users/.../configure I get the full path for top_srcdir |
| 11:49.48 | brlcad | top_srcdir is "." for the top-level dirs |
| 11:50.11 | Skeeve | but then it fails at the same place because /Users/.../plugins/misc/depcomp can't be found |
| 11:50.39 | brlcad | what does grep AUX plugins/configure.ac show? |
| 11:50.43 | Skeeve | so having "." is okay? |
| 11:51.08 | Skeeve | AC_CONFIG_AUX_DIR([.]) |
| 11:51.18 | brlcad | is this a cvs checkout? |
| 11:51.24 | Skeeve | it is |
| 11:51.33 | brlcad | when was it first checked out? |
| 11:51.39 | Skeeve | done yesterday and updated a few hours ago |
| 11:52.04 | brlcad | hm |
| 11:52.12 | brlcad | do you have fink installed? |
| 11:52.16 | Skeeve | yes |
| 11:52.19 | brlcad | aha |
| 11:52.32 | brlcad | fink installs busted automake |
| 11:52.38 | Skeeve | ARGH |
| 11:52.49 | Skeeve | How can I fix that? |
| 11:52.54 | brlcad | take /sw/bin out of your path and rerun autogen.sh |
| 11:53.04 | brlcad | or for a quick fix |
| 11:53.04 | Skeeve | I don't like fink very much so I'd happy trash it |
| 11:53.19 | brlcad | sudo mv /sw /sw.backup |
| 11:53.26 | brlcad | then open a NEW terminal window |
| 11:53.42 | Skeeve | I'll patch the PATH |
| 11:53.48 | brlcad | and in there, go to bzflag srcdir and run make distclean (it will fail in plugins) |
| 11:54.03 | brlcad | then autogen.sh, configure, make etc again |
| 11:54.55 | Skeeve | It still reports the same old versions |
| 11:55.00 | brlcad | if you stick to apple's tools, it should all work just fine |
| 11:55.04 | Skeeve | Found GNU Autoconf version 2.59 Found GNU Automake version 1.6.3 Found GNU Libtool version 1.5.0 |
| 11:55.25 | brlcad | "which autoconf" report what? |
| 11:55.34 | Skeeve | DTRemenak said they are "disproportionally old" |
| 11:55.55 | Skeeve | /usr/bin/autoconf |
| 11:55.57 | brlcad | well, they are .. automake in particular, but they work |
| 11:56.14 | Skeeve | ls /sw/bin/auto* |
| 11:56.21 | Skeeve | wrong window |
| 11:56.29 | brlcad | ~ww |
| 11:56.30 | ibot | Was the window wrong or are you wrong? |
| 11:56.35 | brlcad | :) |
| 11:56.40 | Skeeve | There is no auto* in /sw/bin |
| 11:56.56 | brlcad | it can be one of several support tools |
| 11:57.10 | brlcad | libtoolize? libtool? m4? |
| 11:57.14 | brlcad | perl? |
| 11:57.25 | Skeeve | Oh My God! |
| 11:57.33 | Skeeve | Shall I test all of them |
| 11:57.49 | brlcad | it's really easier to just move /sw out of the way and test that first |
| 11:57.50 | Skeeve | BTW: 2.0.8 compiled (almost) fine using a tarball |
| 11:57.55 | brlcad | then you can try to isolate it if it works |
| 11:58.17 | brlcad | you might have something else going on, though I've got clean mac os x 10.4 builds going here |
| 11:58.56 | brlcad | the source tarball's already have the configure scripts and Makefiles generated for you and support tools shoved into the right places |
| 11:59.45 | brlcad | the recovery steps are sort of important as autogen.sh/autoreconf will behave entirely differently based on what files already exist |
| 12:00.15 | Skeeve | i ran make distclean |
| 12:00.21 | brlcad | almost better to just check out fresh while you're trying to get it working if you don't know what all those gnu build system steps are |
| 12:00.21 | Skeeve | then ./autogen.sh |
| 12:00.37 | Skeeve | and ./configure --enable-optimized now |
| 12:00.57 | Skeeve | Okay... I'll do so if this fails |
| 12:01.20 | brlcad | seriously, if it fails, try moving /sw out of the way if only to test it |
| 12:01.47 | brlcad | otherwise you can be fighting against bash path hashing, or resource files that acinclude might be pointing to or some wierd shlt |
| 12:02.23 | Skeeve | Okay |
| 12:02.58 | Skeeve | what should top_srcdir be in the plugins/ directories? |
| 12:03.04 | brlcad | .. |
| 12:03.27 | brlcad | you're building in place I assume? |
| 12:03.30 | Skeeve | okay... I have to attend a conf call... Thanks so far... I'll be back ;-) |
| 12:03.44 | brlcad | okie dokie, best of luck |
| 12:09.48 | Skeeve | I think I can attend both... IRC & the conf call |
| 12:09.58 | Manu | good morning brlcad |
| 12:10.01 | Skeeve | I still get ../misc/depcomp file not found |
| 12:10.53 | Skeeve | the Makefile in Rogue* contains depcomp = $(SHELL) $(top_srcdir)/misc/depcomp |
| 12:11.18 | Skeeve | So no wonder it can't find when top_srcdir = .. is correct |
| 12:11.27 | brlcad | top_srcdir becomes ../.. at that level |
| 12:11.57 | brlcad | it's ".." in plugins/Makefile and "../.." in the plugin dir Makefiles |
| 12:12.06 | Skeeve | Nope. It's .. So I have to go the long way of a new checkout |
| 12:12.10 | brlcad | at least when everything is set up correctly ;) |
| 12:12.26 | brlcad | yeah, go the new checkout route with /sw moved aside |
| 12:12.36 | brlcad | you do have all your apple updates yes? |
| 12:12.41 | Skeeve | Nope |
| 12:12.44 | Skeeve | 10.4.5 |
| 12:12.58 | brlcad | i mean dev tool updates |
| 12:13.03 | Skeeve | 2.3 |
| 12:13.10 | Skeeve | Installed just today |
| 12:13.26 | Skeeve | Jeff already told me my 2.1 is outdated |
| 12:13.27 | brlcad | nothing in /usr/local/bin that might cause problems? |
| 12:13.46 | Skeeve | cisco_cert_mgr fontforge neon-config svnadmin svnversion exifcom ipseclog pophelp.sh svndumpfilter vpn_uninstall exiftags mencoder sfddiff svnlook vpnclient exiftime mplayer svn svnserve xmlwf |
| 12:13.58 | Skeeve | Looks okay |
| 12:14.00 | brlcad | that should be fine |
| 12:14.01 | Skeeve | I guess |
| 12:14.28 | brlcad | yeah, try fresh next without /sw |
| 12:14.51 | brlcad | and run autogen.sh -v when you do .. save that output to a file so I can look at it |
| 12:15.11 | Skeeve | I'll do so |
| 12:15.49 | Skeeve | I have to go to sourceforge to copy & paste the checkout commands ;-) |
| 12:24.12 | Skeeve | top_srcdir is still .. |
| 12:24.42 | Skeeve | What shall I do with my protocoll |
| 12:26.10 | brlcad | your protocol? |
| 12:26.24 | brlcad | you can put your steps and the autogen output in pastebin |
| 12:26.27 | brlcad | ~pastebin |
| 12:26.44 | ibot | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/ (BROKEN AND SUCKING NUTS), or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 12:27.00 | brlcad | heh, that's new |
| 12:31.20 | Skeeve | done |
| 12:34.28 | Skeeve | Do you see it bricad? |
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| 12:53.51 | Skeeve | bricad? You're gone? |
| 12:54.12 | Mr_Molez | ~exchange |
| 12:54.45 | Mr_Molez | ~17/4 |
| 12:54.53 | ibot | 4.25 |
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| 13:46.21 | Skeeve | Hi bricad! I'm back |
| 13:50.24 | Skeeve | bricad? |
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| 13:56.03 | Skeeve | Hi _sussi! My patch (D-Pad) has been accepted! |
| 13:57.00 | _sussi | wow |
| 13:57.22 | Pommes | Skeeve: what does it do? |
| 13:57.27 | Skeeve | DTRemenak has applied it to 2.1 |
| 13:57.47 | Skeeve | It supports Hatswitches/D-Pads on Joysticks and Gamepads |
| 13:57.56 | Pommes | ah |
| 13:58.14 | Skeeve | Are you from Belgium, Pommes? ;-) |
| 13:58.20 | Pommes | no - germany |
| 13:58.24 | Skeeve | Ich auch |
| 13:58.32 | _sussi | do u know the patches for the radars? |
| 13:58.36 | _sussi | ich auch |
| 13:58.42 | Skeeve | Radarpatches? |
| 13:59.02 | _sussi | yep |
| 13:59.22 | Skeeve | Hab welche gesehen auf sourceforge |
| 13:59.41 | _sussi | Skeeve: just a idea to make a radar-distance logarithmic |
| 14:00.29 | Skeeve | No. I haven't seen something like that. |
| 14:00.46 | Skeeve | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:00.53 | Skeeve | That's what I saw |
| 14:01.27 | _sussi | right |
| 14:02.03 | _sussi | if u turn than must a aproaching bullet draw a straight line ?1 |
| 14:02.57 | Skeeve | Are you asking me? I don't know what you mean. Versuchs mal auf Deutsch bitte. |
| 14:11.35 | _sussi | wenn die Entfernung auf dem Radar eine logaritmische funktion ist, dann müste doch eien sich annähernde Kugel und wen du dich drehst , eine Gerade auf dem Radar sein |
| 14:13.14 | Skeeve | Hmmm... Wenn der Radar Kreisförmig aufgebaut ist |
| 14:13.25 | Skeeve | und sie direkt auf dich zufliegt, dann ja, denke ich |
| 14:14.01 | Skeeve | Schwierig wird es mit einem rechteckigen Aufbau |
| 14:16.10 | _sussi | einen Patch für rundes Radar gibts schon |
| 14:16.37 | Skeeve | Dann sind da noch die vorbeifliegenden Kugeln |
| 14:16.55 | Skeeve | Die müßten dann auch bogenförmig erscheinen, denke ich |
| 14:17.14 | Skeeve | Ich stelle mir das gerade vor, wie einen Ball auf den Du schaust |
| 14:17.42 | Skeeve | wenn Du im Zentrum des Kreises bist, den dieser Ball ja beim draufschauen darstelt |
| 14:18.01 | Skeeve | Dann sollte eine Gerade, die an Dir vorbei führt, einen Bogen ergeben |
| 14:18.16 | Skeeve | Unabhängig davon, ob man sich dreht oder nicht |
| 14:20.34 | _sussi | ja denke ich auch |
| 14:21.00 | _sussi | aber wichtig sind die Kugeln auf der Geraden, denn die dürften dich treffen |
| 14:21.16 | Skeeve | Ja. Sehe ich auch so |
| 14:21.55 | _sussi | muss nicht immer eine Gerade sein da die Geschwindikeit von der Geschwindigkeit vom feuerenden Tank abhängt |
| 14:22.20 | Skeeve | Ohje.. Nu wird's mir zu komplex ;-) |
| 14:22.35 | Skeeve | Meine Mathekenntnisse sind arg eingerostet |
| 14:22.46 | _sussi | aber gut das du die Idee verstehst |
| 14:23.17 | Skeeve | Ich weiß aber nicht, ob ich so einen Radar möchte ;-) |
| 14:24.24 | _sussi | das wird sich zeigen |
| 14:25.41 | Skeeve | Du kennst Dich nicht mit configure aus, oder? bricad antwortet nicht mehr und ich verzweifel hier beim compilieren |
| 14:28.02 | _sussi | just ask |
| 14:29.14 | Skeeve | The makefiles in plugins/* contain top_srcdir = .. instead of top_srcdir = ../.. and I have no idea how to fix that. All the other */* Makefiles seem okay. Just plugins is wrong |
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| 14:33.22 | Mr_Molez | ~90x6 |
| 14:33.26 | Mr_Molez | ~90*6 |
| 14:33.27 | ibot | 540 |
| 14:33.50 | Mr_Molez | ~70*6 |
| 14:33.51 | ibot | 420 |
| 14:34.02 | Mr_Molez | ~60*6 |
| 14:34.04 | ibot | 360 |
| 14:34.16 | Skeeve | ~pi*4711 |
| 14:34.17 | ibot | 14800.042974150001 |
| 14:34.35 | Skeeve | ~5*e |
| 14:34.37 | ibot | 13.591409142295 |
| 14:35.17 | Skeeve | ~2^4 |
| 14:35.18 | ibot | 6 |
| 14:35.23 | Skeeve | ??? |
| 14:35.27 | Skeeve | ~2**4 |
| 14:35.29 | ibot | 16 |
| 14:35.33 | Skeeve | Ah! |
| 14:36.25 | Skeeve | Mr Molez is a child of Mr. Spock? |
| 14:36.55 | Mr_Molez | depends how drunk i get |
| 14:37.09 | Skeeve | The blood is green not blue ;-) |
| 14:37.19 | Skeeve | So what has it to do with alcohol? |
| 14:37.56 | Mr_Molez | Skeeve: what has blood got to do with it ;) |
| 14:38.11 | Skeeve | Now that you ask... ;-) |
| 14:38.27 | Skeeve | Let's start again with: Hi all together! |
| 14:39.14 | Mr_Molez | uhhhhH: Hey all together! |
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| 15:10.05 | Skeeve | Hi all together ;-) |
| 15:10.28 | Skeeve | I'm still waiting for bricad |
| 15:11.59 | brad | brlcad* |
| 15:13.27 | Skeeve | I think I found the problem but no solution yet: configure: running /bin/sh './configure' --prefix=/usr/local '--enable-optimized' '-v' --cache-file=/dev/null --srcdir=. |
| 15:13.35 | Skeeve | It should be .. not . |
| 15:18.55 | Skeeve | /AFK |
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| 15:23.38 | a_temp_dist | Is there a way to get the F2 menu to work in the OSX version of bzadmin? |
| 15:28.08 | blast007 | was it built with curses? |
| 15:32.56 | a_temp_dist | it's the release version |
| 15:34.15 | a_temp_dist | when I press F2 it sends "OQ" to chat - this has been the case for the last few releases |
| 15:34.23 | blast007 | hmm |
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| 15:35.20 | blast007 | does mac have the 'ldd' command? |
| 15:36.09 | a_temp_dist | F1=OR, F2=OQ, F3=OR, F4=OS - i sense a pattern |
| 15:36.15 | a_temp_dist | ldd? |
| 15:36.57 | blast007 | nvm |
| 15:37.07 | blast007 | it would show what the binary was linked to |
| 15:37.09 | blast007 | such as curses |
| 15:37.16 | blast007 | but that's only linux I guess |
| 15:37.25 | a_temp_dist | tcsh: lld: Command not found. |
| 15:38.01 | blast007 | otool -L bzadmin |
| 15:38.19 | a_temp_dist | cd into the directory first? |
| 15:38.20 | blast007 | might have to supply the full path to bzadmin |
| 15:38.24 | blast007 | or that |
| 15:38.24 | a_temp_dist | k |
| 15:39.13 | a_temp_dist | tcsh: otool: Command not found. |
| 15:39.23 | blast007 | okay then, I'm out of ideas ;) |
| 15:39.34 | a_temp_dist | well thx anyway |
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| 15:54.01 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, you have the nvidia drivers? |
| 15:54.31 | L4m3r | Yes (via adept) |
| 15:54.57 | JeffM2501 | I'd make sure they are the current ones |
| 15:55.10 | JeffM2501 | that may help with your screen resize |
| 15:55.24 | JeffM2501 | you may also want to go into the config and set the default to a screen size you know X is setup for |
| 15:55.36 | JeffM2501 | basicly bz says "got to this res" and X says "no" |
| 15:57.42 | I_Died_Once | one thing about kubuntu - you can change the screen size, but the X module doesnt allow you to position it |
| 15:57.45 | L4m3r | well, it doesn't seem to like anything higher than 1024x768 |
| 15:57.54 | I_Died_Once | I had to use the buttons on the front of the monitor |
| 15:58.24 | I_Died_Once | plus, you gotta STRL ALT BACKSPACE after each change to the x display system for changes to take effect |
| 15:58.32 | I_Died_Once | **CTRL |
| 15:58.32 | JeffM2501 | that may be your problem, X may not know all your screen sizes |
| 15:58.37 | L4m3r | Is there a line in the conf that will let me go to 1024x768? I don't see a saved resolution anywhere? |
| 15:59.01 | I_Died_Once | I've had to edit in 1280x1024 inthe past |
| 15:59.07 | JeffM2501 | let me look |
| 16:00.31 | I_Died_Once | Want me to share my xorg conf file via pastebin? I ahve high res's than 1024x768 |
| 16:00.37 | I_Died_Once | you can copy and paste vallues |
| 16:00.45 | L4m3r | no, I'm talking about BZ |
| 16:00.50 | JeffM2501 | set resolution "2560x1024 @75Hz 32 bits" |
| 16:01.02 | JeffM2501 | you can take out the refresh |
| 16:01.03 | I_Died_Once | ...well I feel like an idiot |
| 16:02.10 | L4m3r | weird that resolution isn't already in there |
| 16:02.17 | L4m3r | how does the client remember? |
| 16:02.29 | JeffM2501 | it's probably never closed sane, so it never set it |
| 16:02.41 | JeffM2501 | if it dosnt' have one it means first run |
| 16:02.43 | JeffM2501 | so just add it |
| 16:04.34 | L4m3r | hm... still not working |
| 16:04.52 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 16:05.15 | JeffM2501 | I'd get the current nvidias from them, the ones in the package system may not be the most current |
| 16:05.26 | L4m3r | alright |
| 16:05.28 | TD-Linux | L4m3r: I posted on your sound issue |
| 16:05.34 | L4m3r | thx |
| 16:05.36 | JeffM2501 | but it probably is just the fact that X dosn't know all about your display |
| 16:06.35 | TD-Linux | Xorg.conf is generally considered a black art... and black arts are what pastebins were designed for |
| 16:06.39 | TD-Linux | ;) |
| 16:07.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah geting it to know your display is sometimes "fun" |
| 16:08.19 | JeffM2501 | I had to put in some wierd code voodoo to get it to do my native res at home |
| 16:10.31 | L4m3r | well, before I dive in, I need to fix a couple things (reboot). brb. |
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| 16:16.57 | L4m3r | well, xorg.conf has all the modes that bzflag has listed |
| 16:17.23 | JeffM2501 | there are often special codes that tell it what sycn rate to work at |
| 16:18.05 | JeffM2501 | I had to search yon web for my specific display |
| 16:18.30 | L4m3r | great... |
| 16:18.46 | L4m3r | this is an old 21" no-name CRT |
| 16:19.10 | JeffM2501 | but hey at least it's not windows, where you install the driver and it works, cus that's just wrong and evil! |
| 16:19.16 | blast007 | ~google old 21" no-name CRT with linux |
| 16:19.36 | blast007 | hmm |
| 16:19.52 | L4m3r | Windows doesn't really come in flavors, either :P |
| 16:19.57 | JeffM2501 | sure it does |
| 16:19.59 | blast007 | Vista does |
| 16:20.04 | JeffM2501 | home, pro |
| 16:20.13 | blast007 | vista has like, what 7 of them? |
| 16:20.42 | L4m3r | yes, but that's just UI and installed crap, is it not? it's not like the versions actually differ below the surface level |
| 16:20.45 | blast007 | server 2003 has 4 |
| 16:22.11 | DTRemenak | Skeeve: brlcad's name is brlcad (with an L), not bricad (with an I)...if you use the correct name he's more likely to answer (makes his client beep) |
| 16:23.23 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: no, they're relatively different at a lower level too. there's a comparison chart on microsoft's website somewhere |
| 16:24.05 | blast007 | the 'web' version of Server 2003 is really stripped down |
| 16:24.44 | L4m3r | so will some software actually have different versions for the different Vistas? |
| 16:25.04 | blast007 | hmm |
| 16:25.08 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: no, but some software will probably require one of the more expensive ones |
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| 16:25.23 | L4m3r | Ick. |
| 16:25.30 | DTRemenak | exactly |
| 16:25.43 | DTRemenak | IMHO Microsoft is shooting themselves in their collective foot |
| 16:25.50 | blast007 | "MSPaint requires the Ultimate version of Vista. Please insert your credit card." |
| 16:25.54 | L4m3r | don't they want something obscene for the "ultimate" version? |
| 16:26.02 | DTRemenak | yeah, close to $300 |
| 16:26.09 | DTRemenak | for upgrade, iirc |
| 16:26.10 | blast007 | I need to try out that version |
| 16:26.26 | blast007 | we just got Beta 2 thru our MSDN subscription at work |
| 16:26.40 | L4m3r | and they wonder why 50% of their users don't actually /buy/ it... *cough* |
| 16:26.57 | DTRemenak | I'm not going to upgrade if I can help it |
| 16:27.14 | blast007 | by the time Vista comes out, I'll be using linux for the most part |
| 16:27.15 | JeffM2501 | wow, one comment and you all go off on a rant |
| 16:27.24 | blast007 | maybe a little XP for gaming |
| 16:27.26 | JeffM2501 | that's gotta be a lot of bottled up hadred |
| 16:27.30 | JeffM2501 | hatred |
| 16:27.33 | L4m3r | lol |
| 16:27.34 | blast007 | JeffM2501: definately |
| 16:27.43 | JeffM2501 | batting cages man, batting cages |
| 16:27.43 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: not hatred...just loathing :) |
| 16:27.48 | JeffM2501 | it takes out the aggression |
| 16:27.51 | L4m3r | not so much hatred as persistent annoyance |
| 16:27.52 | JeffM2501 | it's just software |
| 16:28.11 | DTRemenak | no, it's the company |
| 16:28.12 | L4m3r | ...like the damn mosquito that hovers around my ear every night |
| 16:28.20 | blast007 | L4m3r: hehe |
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| 16:30.38 | JeffM2501 | well then I guess it's better that he has to ahve all these problems with common hardware... since it dosn't involve that compnay |
| 16:30.56 | DTRemenak | he has the option to fix the problems at least |
| 16:31.00 | JeffM2501 | tho I do wonder how much apple is gonna ding us for for 10.5 |
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| 16:31.14 | JeffM2501 | probalby another 130 |
| 16:31.15 | DTRemenak | if windows can't figure out your hardware then you have bigger problems |
| 16:31.33 | DTRemenak | fortunately it usually can |
| 16:31.33 | JeffM2501 | no, you can write a display ini |
| 16:31.38 | JeffM2501 | if oyu wanted to |
| 16:31.42 | JeffM2501 | just like an x config |
| 16:31.47 | DTRemenak | for monitors, sure |
| 16:31.50 | DTRemenak | not for other junk |
| 16:32.02 | JeffM2501 | the driver SDK is free ;) |
| 16:33.11 | JeffM2501 | so if you know the hardware you can write a driver, just like you can on nix |
| 16:33.34 | JeffM2501 | it's just not as config file changeable as nix. |
| 16:33.37 | JeffM2501 | by default |
| 16:33.59 | JeffM2501 | but do not want to inturupt your hate, please by all means |
| 16:34.03 | DTRemenak | the driver sdk is free now? |
| 16:34.11 | DTRemenak | sweet, gonna have to get a copy |
| 16:34.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah most SDKs are |
| 16:34.23 | DTRemenak | the DDK cost $450 or so last time I checked |
| 16:34.41 | DTRemenak | course that was a couple years ago |
| 16:34.50 | JeffM2501 | they do actualy want people to use the thing |
| 16:34.58 | JeffM2501 | hence free VC etc... |
| 16:35.09 | DTRemenak | and I have no hate to interrupt |
| 16:35.18 | DTRemenak | you know that, I use this stuff :) |
| 16:36.24 | spldart | Considering the ebb and flow of the conversation I'd like to thank Jeff again for getting me over the hump to comitting to linux for everyday use. |
| 16:36.52 | JeffM2501 | every tool has it's use :) |
| 16:36.53 | spldart | I'm scared of the direction Win is taking after XP for home users |
| 16:37.05 | JeffM2501 | vista does seem odd |
| 16:37.11 | JeffM2501 | I will be waiting a year or so |
| 16:37.24 | JeffM2501 | some of the linux variants scare me too |
| 16:37.29 | DTRemenak | I probably just won't upgrade. but I have more tolerance for using old stuff than you do :) |
| 16:37.30 | JeffM2501 | like the "all java" OS |
| 16:37.44 | spldart | Heck... if Xpdf was a more featured tool I'd not even bother with dual boot on this work rig |
| 16:37.52 | DTRemenak | plenty of distros scare me, JeffM2501...but at least I can choose one I like :) |
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| 16:38.00 | JeffM2501 | as can we all |
| 16:38.25 | shorty114 | <3 gentoo |
| 16:38.28 | DTRemenak | spldart: what is xpdf missing that you need? |
| 16:39.14 | DTRemenak | hmmm...the ddk is free now, but they want your name, address, telephone number, email, and so on... |
| 16:39.26 | spldart | search functions.. links that newer pdf files have don't work in xpdf... I get my service manuals from Onkyo, Panasonic, Toshiba, Sony... etc etc etc in pdf format |
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| 16:39.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx: glide is dead, get over it. |
| 16:39.44 | spldart | So I often default to a newer version of adobe acrobat |
| 16:39.49 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 16:40.04 | DTRemenak | have you tried acrobat reader for linux? |
| 16:40.09 | spldart | no |
| 16:40.16 | spldart | I wasn't aware of such an animal |
| 16:40.21 | spldart | don't know why I didn't look |
| 16:40.24 | DTRemenak | it's not as "nice" as the windows variant, but it's pretty good |
| 16:41.22 | JeffM2501 | ahh good, GL 1.0 was pulled |
| 16:41.24 | DTRemenak | if you don't care about printing, you can use the windows version of adobe reader on wine |
| 16:41.41 | DTRemenak | printing is busted though |
| 16:41.49 | Chestal | spldart: there are also other PDF viewers besides xpdf,gnome has one, KDE, too. Not sure if they have the features you need |
| 16:41.57 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah, I think you did that some months ago :) |
| 16:42.07 | JeffM2501 | I think trepan did it |
| 16:42.10 | spldart | wow.. downloading now.. I'm excited to try this out when I get home |
| 16:42.11 | JeffM2501 | I started it but never finished |
| 16:42.11 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 16:42.27 | DTRemenak | spldart: glad I could help. rebooting is a PITA |
| 16:42.44 | DTRemenak | sadly MSVC has its iron grip on me :) |
| 16:43.14 | spldart | gnome and kde didn't help much.. Imma test this version out, 7.0.8 when I get home... if it's got what I need it'll go on every machine :) |
| 16:43.41 | JeffM2501 | XP is prety nice |
| 16:43.46 | DTRemenak | running xp now |
| 16:43.49 | JeffM2501 | once you turn off the crap |
| 16:43.55 | spldart | Does wine give you much overhead? |
| 16:44.12 | spldart | Some of the service manuals are kinda taxing in sheer size and detain in the graphics |
| 16:44.24 | DTRemenak | my 2k cd was scratched and it was less work to just d/l xp from software.caltech.edu than to fix it or find another :) |
| 16:44.38 | DTRemenak | wine's overhead is pretty limited |
| 16:44.50 | spldart | I really need to check that out too... someday heh |
| 16:44.56 | DTRemenak | it starts a number of other processes, totalling ~20mb |
| 16:45.13 | DTRemenak | once it's all up, additional wine programs add no overhead whatsoever |
| 16:45.24 | DTRemenak | aside from context switching in wineserver |
| 16:45.34 | spldart | reason I ask is cuz the Geforce 2 card is overwhelmed at times and the memory speed is too on some manuals |
| 16:45.50 | DTRemenak | kinda like loading qt or gtk...wine is just another api layer and toolkit |
| 16:46.01 | spldart | thanks for the info :) |
| 16:46.37 | DTRemenak | what we've found is that games (when they run correctly) tend to run faster in wine than they do on native windows |
| 16:46.50 | spldart | REALLY? |
| 16:47.05 | spldart | Seems counterintuitive |
| 16:47.08 | DTRemenak | yup. linux is a better platform for the kind of heavy-duty work that games tend to do |
| 16:47.51 | DTRemenak | that's mostly seen in opengl games. direct3d games generally don't work right, so there's not much point in benchmarking them. tend to be a bit slower because we have to translate everything to opengl |
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| 17:01.35 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: $129 for upgrade, $200 for 1 yr Developer mailing which includes everything. |
| 17:02.29 | JeffM2501 | so same as 10.4 |
| 17:02.50 | JBdiGriz | Why would you expect anything different? |
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| 17:03.12 | JeffM2501 | they could justify a small price increase |
| 17:03.18 | JeffM2501 | if they wished to do so |
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| 17:03.31 | JeffM2501 | do they do more then one release a year? |
| 17:03.44 | JeffM2501 | or does the dev mailing just get you beta and stuff? |
| 17:03.48 | JBdiGriz | They are still making their money on hardware, and it's good publicity. |
| 17:04.22 | JeffM2501 | tho I don't remember my 10.4 as being an upgrade, and it was 129... |
| 17:04.30 | JBdiGriz | They usually do less than 1 release per year. The dev mailing gets you beta, and all of the tech docs on CD. |
| 17:04.38 | JeffM2501 | but then how can you NOT get it as an upgarde, cus every mac had some before |
| 17:04.49 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:05.19 | JBdiGriz | Actually on DVD these days. |
| 17:05.26 | JeffM2501 | well the upgrade from 10.3 to 10.4 was well worth it, I hope 10.5 continues the trend |
| 17:05.57 | JeffM2501 | DVD2Pod is my new favorate mac app now :) |
| 17:06.09 | JBdiGriz | I suspect it will be, although my reasons tend to towards the Unix side of the world. |
| 17:06.37 | JeffM2501 | the 900 meg xCode 2.3 download took me a bit by suprise |
| 17:06.45 | JBdiGriz | I guess I should think about upgrading my 1G iPod. |
| 17:06.51 | JeffM2501 | seems odd that the OS and other apps do auto updates, but xcode does not |
| 17:07.15 | JeffM2501 | probalby to make it easyer to have more then one installed or something |
| 17:07.35 | JBdiGriz | It's a bit disconcerting when you're working on a deadline, and the development environment starts updating itself. ;) |
| 17:07.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:07.53 | JeffM2501 | you just get used to notifications with the rest of the OS |
| 17:08.23 | JBdiGriz | There is only 1 xcode installed, but it allows you access to different development tools, including multiple compilers. |
| 17:09.05 | spldart | absolutely storming here right now <8-0 |
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| 17:16.34 | Skeeve | Hi DTRemenak & Jeff! I'm still fighting against configure :-( It creates wrong makefiles under plugins |
| 17:18.36 | JeffM2501 | what is wrong about it? |
| 17:19.00 | Skeeve | When I run ./configure --enable-opimized |
| 17:19.07 | orange | ntold you |
| 17:19.09 | orange | oops |
| 17:19.26 | Skeeve | it starts a new configure under plugins and gives it srcdir=. instead of .. |
| 17:19.39 | JeffM2501 | well it's all brlcad's deal, I use the clicky things. |
| 17:19.58 | Skeeve | and he's gone |
| 17:20.11 | Skeeve | Do I just need autogen.sh? |
| 17:20.13 | JeffM2501 | send him a message, he'll answer when he gets back |
| 17:20.14 | Skeeve | No configure? |
| 17:20.37 | JeffM2501 | I dono, i just said I don't use the makefiles ;) |
| 17:20.37 | Skeeve | How can I send him a message? I don't have his mail address. |
| 17:20.51 | JeffM2501 | /msg brlcad |
| 17:20.57 | JeffM2501 | or send learner a PM on the fourms |
| 17:20.59 | Skeeve | The makefiles are used by XCode. |
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| 17:21.02 | JeffM2501 | theya re one and the same |
| 17:21.10 | JeffM2501 | I know how the makefiles are used |
| 17:21.13 | JeffM2501 | I don't use xcode |
| 17:21.22 | Skeeve | So what do you use? |
| 17:21.23 | JeffM2501 | odd as it may seem to you.. I don't use a mac for development. |
| 17:21.34 | Skeeve | Okay... |
| 17:21.35 | JeffM2501 | Visual C++ 7.1 |
| 17:22.24 | Skeeve | Okay. So I'll go and look after my son and come back later |
| 17:23.01 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/commands.cxx): Add API event for /reload so plugins can reload too. |
| 17:26.21 | DTRemenak | yay |
| 17:27.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm also going to try something "wiered" |
| 17:27.28 | JeffM2501 | API event to send everyone back to the state before world load, then let them resend the world. |
| 17:27.47 | JeffM2501 | also leting the API specifiy the map file |
| 17:27.56 | JeffM2501 | to make restart rotaters easyer |
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| 17:32.34 | JBdiGriz | so the server has to send the world multiple times simultaneously to the users? |
| 17:32.53 | ATD_ | is there a problem loading worlds now? |
| 17:33.39 | JeffM2501 | only if the game changes maps |
| 17:33.54 | JeffM2501 | basicly allowing maps to change with out a restart or loosing scores |
| 17:34.09 | ATD_ | wow that sounds cool |
| 17:34.11 | JeffM2501 | ATD_, right now you have yo restart to change maps |
| 17:35.08 | JBdiGriz | You might find some interesting side effects with overloading the network. I have noticed it on the silvercat site when they switch maps on a restart. |
| 17:35.27 | JeffM2501 | it won't be any worse then when that happens network wise |
| 17:35.32 | JBdiGriz | It's not that noticable with only a few clients, but get up to 10, and it starts losing some other things. |
| 17:35.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's a lot of data to sling out |
| 17:36.16 | JBdiGriz | It's not the network wide issue, it's the server's connection that will start seeing some problems, and the recovery code in bz needs a lot of help. |
| 17:36.22 | JeffM2501 | quake handles it by having all clients have most maps anyway, and only send out the people who don't have them |
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| 17:36.45 | JeffM2501 | it's the same thing that would happen if a bunch of peoeple joined all at the same time |
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| 17:36.52 | JeffM2501 | tho that is rare I would think |
| 17:37.13 | JBdiGriz | That's exactly my point. It's not rare on silvercat where it switches the maps and people rejoin. |
| 17:37.33 | JeffM2501 | ok, so again it wont' be any worse then that :) |
| 17:37.41 | JeffM2501 | i'm just taking out the reboot requirement |
| 17:37.56 | JBdiGriz | The developers all assumed that the network is perfect, and you couldn't possibly have problems with connections or sending packets. ;) |
| 17:38.05 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm sure it boggs down |
| 17:38.08 | JeffM2501 | does it drop people? |
| 17:38.10 | bryjen | shouldn't that hashing and cacheing help with that? (obviously not for on-the-fly generated maps) |
| 17:38.55 | JBdiGriz | It definitely loses registrations. It can lose people, and I've seen a couple of client hangs because of it. |
| 17:39.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm not 100% sure how it works, but I'm gonna send the state back to that point so all that still will happen |
| 17:39.29 | JeffM2501 | well yeah the reboot would kill tokens, I'm gonna keep player records, so that will be ok |
| 17:39.41 | JeffM2501 | they won't have to send a new msgEnter |
| 17:39.48 | JBdiGriz | I'm just giving you a heads up of some "possible" results, so you won't be too surprised. |
| 17:39.52 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:40.05 | DTRemenak | servers with heavy player loads should use cached maps distributed by http |
| 17:40.10 | JeffM2501 | well I'll be making client mods too to support it, so bugs tehre can be fixed |
| 17:40.26 | DTRemenak | it's a *lot* faster and doesn't tie up the server loop |
| 17:40.29 | A_Meteorite | DTRemenak: what's the option for that again? and to generate cached maps? |
| 17:40.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:40.39 | A_Meteorite | I could use that for boxy war :) |
| 17:40.40 | DTRemenak | A_Meteorite: "man bzfs" I think |
| 17:40.48 | A_Meteorite | ahh, yes, that's a miracle worker |
| 17:40.52 | DTRemenak | actually I just don't remember :) |
| 17:40.56 | JeffM2501 | techincaly the plugin could presend the resource request too and let it happen async on the client :) |
| 17:41.29 | JeffM2501 | no that's what woman is for ;) |
| 17:41.34 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 17:41.50 | A_Meteorite | argh, bzfs didn't install the manual pages... |
| 17:41.51 | A_Meteorite | grr |
| 17:42.07 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: They read your mind? How do they get it so wrong all of the time? |
| 17:42.31 | JeffM2501 | wellI never said they were good at it, but they try |
| 17:43.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx): rename the world get event to be a litle more descriptive. Move it up in the order of things, and let the plugins return a map file instead of just adding a bunch of objects. |
| 17:43.49 | A_Meteorite | ah, -cache and -cacheout |
| 17:43.50 | JeffM2501 | the NR timeout is generaly longer then the connect time out right? |
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| 17:45.04 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: plugins can get the name of the current map file ? |
| 17:45.14 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:45.29 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: if you're working on map switching, please make sure it works with -cache also :) |
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| 17:45.39 | A_Meteorite | Mr_Molez: well, you could mod the api to get the -world |
| 17:45.43 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, that's why I want to just send it back to the exiting code |
| 17:45.44 | A_Meteorite | then it would know :) |
| 17:45.45 | DTRemenak | i.e. that you can switch from one cached map to another |
| 17:45.50 | DTRemenak | ah, ok :) |
| 17:46.01 | JeffM2501 | so that all that stuff works |
| 17:46.19 | JeffM2501 | basicly right after msgEnter |
| 17:46.32 | JeffM2501 | then resend everyones scores and respawn them |
| 17:46.46 | JeffM2501 | at that point the state should be cool |
| 17:47.00 | JeffM2501 | other then all shots will have been removed and there has been a flag repop |
| 17:47.53 | JeffM2501 | and maybe have the server send them a custom "loading" message to show, so they know what happend |
| 17:48.39 | JeffM2501 | oh and zap everyone's flags |
| 17:55.02 | A-Delusion | whats the path to downloadaccess file in windoze? |
| 17:55.43 | JeffM2501 | I know of no OS by that name |
| 17:55.56 | A-Delusion | you know it's an OS? |
| 17:55.56 | JeffM2501 | is that some linux variant? |
| 17:56.07 | JeffM2501 | no not by that name |
| 17:56.14 | A-Delusion | windows. |
| 17:56.17 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 17:56.47 | JeffM2501 | C:\Documents and Settings\USERMy Documents\My Bzflag Files |
| 17:56.53 | JeffM2501 | asuming a default install |
| 17:56.59 | JeffM2501 | it may be on any drive |
| 17:57.01 | A-Delusion | yes, thankyou. |
| 17:57.19 | *** join/#bzflag shorty114 (n=shorty11@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 17:57.47 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (n=timr@pdpc/supporter/bronze/TimRiker) |
| 17:57.47 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 17:58.07 | JeffM2501 | yay 124 build errors :) |
| 17:58.12 | DTRemenak | nice :) |
| 17:58.19 | JeffM2501 | well they were expected |
| 17:58.27 | DTRemenak | yeah, still fun to see though |
| 17:58.29 | JeffM2501 | easyest way to find a nice list of all the places that need changes :) |
| 17:58.37 | DTRemenak | exactly |
| 17:58.45 | JeffM2501 | error C2039: 'gameStyle' : is not a member of 'CmdLineOptions' |
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| 18:02.19 | uso_p | if a plugin wants to use a custom permission does it need to register it before in any way? |
| 18:02.26 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:02.34 | JeffM2501 | it's just a list of stored strings |
| 18:02.43 | JeffM2501 | bzfs dosn't care about them |
| 18:03.18 | uso_p | custom perms do not get listed with /showperms, right? |
| 18:03.34 | JeffM2501 | they do now, they used to not |
| 18:04.19 | JBdiGriz | I see JeffM2501 received his payment from M$ today. |
| 18:04.39 | JeffM2501 | I don't go around caling his OS, OSuX |
| 18:04.47 | JBdiGriz | Why not? |
| 18:04.55 | JeffM2501 | so why should he poke fun at mine when asking a question ;) |
| 18:05.17 | JeffM2501 | cus it dosn't suck, it does a number of things nicely |
| 18:05.21 | JeffM2501 | they all do |
| 18:05.35 | JBdiGriz | I never felt so personally involved with any software. It's not really "mine". I share. |
| 18:05.42 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 18:05.44 | JBdiGriz | and all OS'es suck. :D |
| 18:05.44 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:05.46 | JeffM2501 | they are all just tools |
| 18:05.56 | DTRemenak | we are all just tools too |
| 18:06.03 | JeffM2501 | of "the man" |
| 18:06.07 | DTRemenak | whoops |
| 18:06.23 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 18:06.24 | JBdiGriz | Wasn't the unofficial slogan of 8.5 "It sucks less"? |
| 18:06.30 | DTRemenak | gtg, back in a while |
| 18:06.41 | JeffM2501 | I thought that was 7.0? |
| 18:06.50 | DTRemenak | I thought that was 98SE... |
| 18:06.59 | JBdiGriz | It could be, but it's still appropriate. |
| 18:07.15 | JBdiGriz | It wouldn't have been appropriate for 98SE. ;) |
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| 18:07.31 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o GvzEvxre] by ChanServ |
| 18:11.05 | *** join/#bzflag reihou (n=XpS@ede67-2-82-226-53-109.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:13.54 | Mr_Molez | is there a way to disable flag passing ? (dropping on pyramids) |
| 18:16.14 | *** join/#bzflag Empirical (n=botty@unaffiliated/shorty114) |
| 18:18.32 | A-Delusion | use flag zonne |
| 18:18.39 | A-Delusion | safe zone |
| 18:18.57 | JeffM2501 | JBdiGriz, well yes, any 9x is the suck :) |
| 18:19.03 | brad | bzflag.org is down? |
| 18:19.24 | brad | just gives a blank page |
| 18:19.29 | brad | and the wiki a 404 |
| 18:19.43 | trac_ | bzflag.sf.net still works |
| 18:19.49 | A-Delusion | specify a point that it flys back to. but that doesnt really "disable" it. |
| 18:19.58 | brad | ahh ok, thx trac_ |
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| 18:24.33 | uso_p | Mr_Molez: what would you do with the flag besides passing it somewhere, it cannot land on the pyramid |
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| 18:25.00 | Mr_Molez | uso_p: eh ? |
| 18:25.07 | Mr_Molez | ofcourse it can land on a pyramid |
| 18:25.26 | brad | no it can't.. |
| 18:25.49 | A-Delusion | you can specify mutiple points, but it randomly chooses which one to fly to. |
| 18:26.07 | A-Delusion | what would happen if you made the entire map a flag safe zone? |
| 18:26.37 | SpazzyMcGee | the flag would go to the center of the zone would it not? |
| 18:27.05 | SpazzyMcGee | or the nearest flat piece of land? |
| 18:27.08 | A-Delusion | I think a random point, somewhere within the zone. |
| 18:27.17 | A-Delusion | anywhere? |
| 18:27.39 | SpazzyMcGee | try it and find out |
| 18:27.53 | A-Delusion | that's what I always say |
| 18:28.52 | Mr_Molez | i think it would go in the middle :P |
| 18:29.33 | A-Delusion | let us know what you find out. |
| 18:30.19 | Mr_Molez | I aint testing it, I have better things to do |
| 18:31.09 | SpazzyMcGee | like what? |
| 18:31.18 | CBG | it would be any random place in the zone |
| 18:31.19 | A-Delusion | safety zone, that's what it's called |
| 18:31.31 | SpazzyMcGee | i'll do it - it's about 10 lines of code |
| 18:32.45 | SpazzyMcGee | what's the zone syntax for safety? |
| 18:33.24 | Mr_Molez | safety 1 2 3 4 # dropped team flags will fly to the closest safety zone |
| 18:34.51 | CBG | it'll really be as if there is no zone :| |
| 18:35.35 | SpazzyMcGee | i'v made a map with some pyramids and a massive zone |
| 18:40.06 | SpazzyMcGee | yes it seeems to be random |
| 18:41.03 | SpazzyMcGee | if you drop it on a pyr, it'sd random. |
| 18:41.28 | SpazzyMcGee | if you just drop it it falls in the place you dropped it |
| 18:41.45 | CBG | owned. |
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| 19:01.11 | anaconda_ | hola |
| 19:01.25 | anaconda_ | hallo chestal |
| 19:04.07 | A-Delusion | so I was right, it the team flag goes to a random point inside the giant flag safety zone |
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| 19:20.54 | Mr_Molez | yup, i was right aswell |
| 19:45.52 | Skeeve | TADA! |
| 19:46.12 | Skeeve | My bzflag now built successfully when I didn't compile plugins |
| 19:46.20 | Skeeve | But I have an UGLY font |
| 19:46.24 | spldart | hehe |
| 19:46.46 | JeffM2501 | what video card? |
| 19:47.01 | Skeeve | Anyone any idea where to put what to get back the nice font of 2.0.8 |
| 19:47.16 | Skeeve | Don't ask me... I'm using a PowerBook |
| 19:47.31 | JeffM2501 | what version did you build? |
| 19:47.38 | Skeeve | I'm just a stupid Mac User ;-) |
| 19:47.54 | Skeeve | the cvs checkout from yesterday. 2.1? |
| 19:48.03 | Skeeve | I'll check |
| 19:48.08 | JeffM2501 | it's probalby your config settings then |
| 19:48.25 | JeffM2501 | just go into the display options and set it to a higher texture and quality |
| 19:48.37 | JeffM2501 | if it can't find the old config it'll build a new default one |
| 19:48.59 | I_Died_Once | so... the GM world weapon - when you land a geno hit, it fires of one missile for each players that was geno's |
| 19:49.08 | Skeeve | 2.1.8 and stop! It's not as ugly as I first thought |
| 19:49.28 | JeffM2501 | you may also have been set to use profont in your 2.0.x |
| 19:49.37 | A_Meteorite | profont rocks, imho |
| 19:49.41 | JeffM2501 | if so you'll need to reset that setting on 2.1 |
| 19:49.43 | A_Meteorite | should really be default :) |
| 19:49.52 | JeffM2501 | it's as valid a default as any other |
| 19:50.18 | Skeeve | I'll go and try it now |
| 19:50.55 | JeffM2501 | aww yeah.. back upt to 350 errors !!! |
| 19:51.03 | A_Meteorite | O_o |
| 19:57.01 | Skeeve | :-( So sloooooooooooooooow |
| 19:58.04 | JeffM2501 | what is? |
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| 19:59.28 | Skeeve | Both servers supporting 2.1 are very slow from my side |
| 19:59.29 | Skeeve | BUT |
| 19:59.45 | Skeeve | I'm just checking what else might slow down my computer |
| 19:59.50 | JeffM2501 | well they are on the other side of the world from you ;) |
| 20:00.05 | Skeeve | BTW: Is it normal behaviour that an observer sees callsign labels at tanks? |
| 20:00.22 | JeffM2501 | I belive that is a new feature |
| 20:00.24 | CBG | Skeeve: try pressing 'L' :) |
| 20:00.27 | spldart | slow in what way? |
| 20:00.37 | Mr_Molez | thats been around ages |
| 20:00.38 | JeffM2501 | spldart, as in hes in germany ;) |
| 20:00.52 | spldart | ah |
| 20:00.59 | Skeeve | baderking is around the world too, isn't it |
| 20:01.02 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't show them all the time over the players now in 2.1? |
| 20:01.07 | JeffM2501 | I thought somone hooked that up |
| 20:01.22 | Skeeve | No... Sorry! The labels were in 2.0.8 |
| 20:02.21 | CBG | BK is hosted in the USA (West I think). |
| 20:02.41 | JeffM2501 | is it at a datacenter? |
| 20:02.52 | JeffM2501 | the 2.1 servers are on home networks |
| 20:04.14 | spldart | I'm on a cable modem that under optimum conditions can support 12 to 16 but under bad conditions can do maybe 8 |
| 20:04.30 | Mr_Molez | anyone noticed the bzflag.org page is down ? also is the sf.net cvs the same as bzflag.org cvs ? |
| 20:05.03 | JeffM2501 | yes hey are the same |
| 20:05.08 | Mr_Molez | k |
| 20:08.01 | JeffM2501 | the site isn't down, it's the dns |
| 20:09.55 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, dns for www.bzflag.or dosn't seem to be responding, don't know if it's SF not routing or a problem on your end, you may want to check it out. The other sub domains seem to be working fine. |
| 20:20.11 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: one of 3 name servers had dropped the domain for some unknown reason. I changed the serial and it picked it up again. |
| 20:20.21 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:20.27 | TimRiker | I doubt that would cause anyone grief other than a small delay in lookup. |
| 20:20.34 | JeffM2501 | cool, thanks |
| 20:20.35 | TimRiker | there may well be some other issue. |
| 20:21.18 | TimRiker | www.bzflag.org points to vhost.sourceforge.net so if sourceforge.net has grief, then so does w.b.o |
| 20:21.45 | JeffM2501 | well I could get to the bzflag.sourcforge.net just fine |
| 20:26.46 | TimRiker | hmm. that is odd. |
| 20:28.16 | JeffM2501 | hence why I mentioned it to you ;) |
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| 20:32.56 | I_Died_Once | so the world weapon GM just chased me up to 2000 units up |
| 20:33.39 | I_Died_Once | I wonder if it could be made to fire after one has performed so many kills |
| 20:33.58 | I_Died_Once | like, once you go on a rampage, again once you hit a killing spree |
| 20:34.06 | I_Died_Once | and again once you become unstoppable |
| 20:34.16 | JeffM2501 | it would not be that hard to add that to the plugin |
| 20:34.47 | A_Meteorite | yeah, just add the fireworldweapon function you got into playhistorytracker |
| 20:34.53 | A_Meteorite | or whatever it is |
| 20:35.05 | CBG | maybe fire 2 at you for a killing spree, and 5 for unstoppable >:) |
| 20:35.09 | A_Meteorite | hehe |
| 20:35.15 | A_Meteorite | I like that |
| 20:35.26 | A_Meteorite | only thing is, all these WWs make it laggy |
| 20:36.04 | I_Died_Once | that GM is one mad mother..... |
| 20:36.31 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 20:36.43 | spldart | I think I figured out part of the attraction of bzflag to me... I used to love making my own levels in 'Loadrunner' on Apple II back in high school LOL... Reminds me of hacking Ultima IV with a hex editor to cheat :) |
| 20:37.05 | A_Meteorite | hex editor.. that just SOUNDS scary |
| 20:37.28 | spldart | I used to give myself FF potiones and FF health and FF hitpoints |
| 20:37.47 | A_Meteorite | so, who is maintaining the python plugin? |
| 20:37.50 | *** join/#bzflag Matt123 (n=Matt@stjch-12-46-85-95.stjohncable.com) |
| 20:38.02 | A_Meteorite | or is reviving it |
| 20:38.04 | A_Meteorite | something like that |
| 20:38.06 | *** join/#bzflag Ballard (n=Ballard@stjch-12-46-85-95.stjohncable.com) |
| 20:38.06 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, the same guy who did the GM thing |
| 20:38.10 | Matt123 | is ther a way anyone can do anything about a server |
| 20:38.16 | Matt123 | a cheater |
| 20:38.17 | A_Meteorite | ah, thanks JeffM2501 |
| 20:38.18 | Matt123 | oops |
| 20:38.19 | Matt123 | :P |
| 20:38.19 | Ballard | ya |
| 20:38.24 | A_Meteorite | Matt123: yeah, get me to come |
| 20:38.26 | Ballard | major cheater |
| 20:38.30 | JeffM2501 | Matt123, can you be more vauge? |
| 20:38.38 | JeffM2501 | I think you can if you try harder |
| 20:38.41 | Matt123 | ph03n1x @ dalers |
| 20:38.46 | spldart | Ah |
| 20:38.47 | Ballard | there is a cheater on daler's |
| 20:38.50 | A_Meteorite | darn, not an admin there |
| 20:38.56 | spldart | he was just voted off of a server I was a few minmutes ago |
| 20:39.00 | A_Meteorite | amazing ;) |
| 20:39.04 | spldart | I'd like an IP |
| 20:39.13 | Matt123 | i cant get one |
| 20:39.15 | Ballard | ive banned him 3 times |
| 20:39.25 | Ballard | but daler keeps unbanning hik |
| 20:39.29 | spldart | I know.. whoever gets him please give me an ip so I can |
| 20:40.28 | spldart | I wonder why daler unbans |
| 20:40.39 | Matt123 | now daler has the cleint, 2.0.420060718 |
| 20:40.41 | A_Meteorite | he has an evil master plan |
| 20:40.43 | spldart | He got voted a, what?, 5 hour ban just a minute ago |
| 20:40.46 | A_Meteorite | brb |
| 20:41.03 | Matt123 | stable linux |
| 20:41.31 | Mr_Molez | maybe the cheater is daler :P |
| 20:41.36 | Matt123 | yea |
| 20:41.40 | spldart | hrm |
| 20:41.45 | Matt123 | that isnt a correct date |
| 20:41.55 | JeffM2501 | how can you say that? |
| 20:42.01 | JeffM2501 | what if he built from source? |
| 20:42.08 | spldart | indeed |
| 20:42.30 | Matt123 | but wouldnt it still say the date it was released? |
| 20:42.33 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:42.37 | I_Died_Once | http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/1390/grasshopperoi8.jpg |
| 20:42.39 | JeffM2501 | not if he re-ran autogen |
| 20:43.05 | spldart | even when I fresh built 1.10 i got a current date ;) |
| 20:43.08 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, how bout you do the images in bzchat, not the dev channel from now on, ok? |
| 20:43.09 | Mr_Molez | i dont see the point of people being able to check clientquery of others |
| 20:44.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah, the only ones that keep the date are the ones in the bins, you can make any tarball say the current date |
| 20:44.07 | Matt123 | dalerc and ph03n1x are flying w/o wg |
| 20:44.21 | JeffM2501 | it is odd that he would build 2.0.4 today, but it's not proof of anything in itself |
| 20:44.22 | spldart | yes they are... and fast |
| 20:44.33 | Matt123 | he has wg now |
| 20:44.34 | JeffM2501 | Matt123, if you ahve problems there, then play somewhere else |
| 20:44.40 | Ballard | and they have Sw |
| 20:44.41 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: wouldn't that be classed as a cheat server :P |
| 20:44.42 | JeffM2501 | and we don't need the blow by blow |
| 20:44.48 | I_Died_Once | ge the IP so I can ban them from the site - give em the mofoban |
| 20:44.49 | ATD_ | DalerC seems to allow his "hacking" friend to play on his server |
| 20:44.50 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, possibly |
| 20:45.32 | JeffM2501 | admins can do what ever they want on there servers, we just ask that they not be advertised as "cheat" servers in public |
| 20:45.33 | Ballard | the hacker said that he is sitting next to daler at work |
| 20:45.53 | Ballard | so he is a close feriend |
| 20:45.55 | spldart | Less talk, more ip |
| 20:45.59 | JeffM2501 | then it's a poorly admined server if the owner lets stuff like that happen, play somewhere else |
| 20:46.01 | spldart | LOL |
| 20:46.19 | Ballard | how in the hell do u suppose we do that spldart |
| 20:46.22 | Mr_Molez | yay now finally i know of a public cheat server yay |
| 20:46.32 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm sure you know of more |
| 20:46.38 | spldart | Didn't say you could, should... |
| 20:47.01 | A_Meteorite | heh... |
| 20:47.09 | A_Meteorite | is he the same one who uses a ton of bots to get on the top? |
| 20:47.12 | CBG | I don't. tell me! |
| 20:47.26 | CBG | A_Meteorite: are you thinking of pythonian? |
| 20:47.31 | A_Meteorite | CBG: daler's too |
| 20:47.35 | Matt123 | no daler does too |
| 20:47.40 | CBG | heh |
| 20:47.41 | Ballard | daler had like 20 bot on ther |
| 20:47.46 | A_Meteorite | ... I just said that |
| 20:48.40 | ATD_ | Daler is 65.171.232.106 ph03n1x is 65.171.232.16 |
| 20:48.50 | spldart | sexcellent |
| 20:48.51 | A_Meteorite | cool |
| 20:48.55 | A_Meteorite | ...spldart... |
| 20:49.11 | A_Meteorite | ATD_: I think a nice ban on 65.171.232.* should get his company |
| 20:49.34 | ATD_ | I've never seen him on another server - not sure it's a big deal |
| 20:49.41 | spldart | true |
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| 20:50.02 | A_Meteorite | let's punish him anyways :P |
| 20:51.02 | I_Died_Once | mofoban'd |
| 20:51.36 | JeffM2501 | yay no more errors in client :) |
| 20:52.14 | spldart | but not in the dictionary |
| 20:52.15 | spldart | lol |
| 20:52.22 | spldart | Daler = banned in my universe |
| 20:53.08 | spldart | Heh... makes me feel better after getting straifed by flying shockwave numerous times on his server ;) |
| 20:54.14 | spldart | Wow.. we're on 0040 now?! |
| 20:54.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah soon to be 41 |
| 20:55.14 | spldart | :) |
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| 20:56.32 | spldart | may I ask... What is being changed that is initiating a proto change? |
| 20:56.51 | JeffM2501 | spliting up game options and game type |
| 20:56.59 | I_Died_Once | I think I crashed it |
| 20:57.03 | spldart | ah |
| 20:57.04 | Matt123 | no |
| 20:57.08 | JeffM2501 | so the game types are truely mutualy exclusive |
| 20:57.09 | Matt123 | daler banned me for spammin |
| 20:57.17 | Matt123 | and i didnt say a thing |
| 20:57.18 | spldart | LOL |
| 20:57.36 | Ballard_ | neather did i |
| 20:58.00 | spldart | He's just being a 'new shot graphic' |
| 21:00.14 | spldart | LMAO... I just hit-and-ran his server (daler) |
| 21:00.29 | spldart | "So... I here they allow cheat clients here" |
| 21:00.37 | spldart | f12 |
| 21:00.59 | spldart | here=hear |
| 21:05.29 | Mr_Molez | =passdb took out of cvs wow |
| 21:05.32 | Mr_Molez | thats silly |
| 21:05.54 | *** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 21:06.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:06.18 | JeffM2501 | local auth needs to be redone to send a hash and not done in chat text |
| 21:06.29 | Mr_Molez | yeh that would be better |
| 21:06.30 | JeffM2501 | userdb is still there for local perms |
| 21:06.59 | JeffM2501 | so I pulled the passdb to be sure we didn't keep going down the bad path ;) |
| 21:07.26 | Mr_Molez | ~bzfquery openleague.org:5992 |
| 21:07.46 | JeffM2501 | were you looking to do some more password scamming? |
| 21:08.39 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: some more ? since when have i ever done it ? Your an idiot. Keep your dumbass opinion to yourself |
| 21:08.50 | JeffM2501 | it was a joke man ;) |
| 21:09.02 | Mr_Molez | and no. I tried one of my confs on it. and i got errors saying -passdb wasn't recognised |
| 21:09.14 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, aren't you the one who complains about me making jokes that can offend people? |
| 21:09.14 | *** join/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (n=Blue@host239-149.pool8256.interbusiness.it) |
| 21:09.28 | JeffM2501 | you know there are many brands of decafinated coffie that are just as tasty as the regular ones, you may want to look into them ;) |
| 21:09.48 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, only when you do them over and over and over |
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| 21:10.09 | JeffM2501 | I do wonder how many servers out there are using local DBs |
| 21:10.24 | JeffM2501 | or is global prevealent enough? |
| 21:10.30 | Mr_Molez | actually that reminds me i need to take -passdb and -userdb out of my configs seen as ol now only supports global login |
| 21:10.44 | JeffM2501 | you think mos people are doing global? |
| 21:10.47 | JeffM2501 | if they do perms at all? |
| 21:10.56 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: i know of some |
| 21:10.58 | blast007 | I think a lot at least do a passdb |
| 21:11.03 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 21:11.09 | blast007 | many probably just give out the /password |
| 21:11.12 | brad | I use local stuff still |
| 21:11.24 | brad | aswell as global |
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| 21:11.27 | JeffM2501 | think it's cus they don't trust global? global is too hard to unserdtand? or just apathy? |
| 21:11.33 | ATD_ | So do I - for bots and stuff |
| 21:11.49 | ATD_ | for nicks that I don't want to register |
| 21:11.54 | brad | local is easier to have different admins on different servers |
| 21:11.59 | blast007 | JeffM2501: some do it as a backup in case global is slow/down |
| 21:12.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:12.16 | blast007 | that way they can still have cops that can ban cheaters and such |
| 21:12.18 | JeffM2501 | fair engouh |
| 21:13.20 | JeffM2501 | so maybe if we get a more redundant system that would help more people move |
| 21:13.23 | JeffM2501 | over to global |
| 21:13.42 | blast007 | right |
| 21:13.43 | Mr_Molez | global being down alot and being doesn't help people want to move :P |
| 21:13.53 | Mr_Molez | *and bein slow |
| 21:15.32 | JeffM2501 | that I can understand |
| 21:15.54 | JeffM2501 | if we had a more redundant system it would hopefully be faster and not ever fully down |
| 21:16.00 | JeffM2501 | spread the load as it were |
| 21:16.10 | orange | yes, distributed, not failover |
| 21:16.25 | JeffM2501 | a couple options have been discussed |
| 21:16.30 | JeffM2501 | I think iut's something needed |
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| 21:17.07 | JeffM2501 | but ok, so then at least for 2.2 we should make local login server do a hash thing, and ask the client if they want to send there password to the server. |
| 21:17.30 | JeffM2501 | then at least it's not plaintext in the chat logs and users would know a litte more about what they are doing |
| 21:18.01 | JeffM2501 | maybe give a config option for a password to use for non global servers |
| 21:18.26 | JeffM2501 | just think outloud |
| 21:18.35 | brad | if someone really wanted to get passwords from logs they could anyway |
| 21:18.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:18.44 | brad | so it seems pointless if global login is better |
| 21:18.53 | brad | although it isn't yet in some ways |
| 21:18.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah but if we can't get everyone to move... |
| 21:19.06 | JeffM2501 | that's why I say ask the client if they want to send it |
| 21:19.11 | brad | yeah.. |
| 21:19.13 | JeffM2501 | and make it at least a "little" hard ;) |
| 21:19.23 | brad | sure |
| 21:19.36 | JeffM2501 | those few steps may be ok for the there servers that want to still use it |
| 21:20.06 | brad | yup |
| 21:20.09 | trepan | kill it dead ;) |
| 21:20.14 | JeffM2501 | trepan, I did |
| 21:20.25 | trepan | but you want to reinstate it? |
| 21:21.05 | JeffM2501 | not really, but if noone makes a better global system before 2.2, and somone else wants to build an internem local one that dosn't use chat, I'd not try to stop them. |
| 21:21.23 | JeffM2501 | as long as it asked the user |
| 21:21.29 | JeffM2501 | I don't want to do the work ;) |
| 21:21.39 | JeffM2501 | rather see the global stuff get the upgrade personaly |
| 21:21.47 | JeffM2501 | it's probably even less work to enhance global |
| 21:22.07 | JeffM2501 | I say for 2.2 we change over to a new distributed list system, screw backwards compatability |
| 21:22.15 | JeffM2501 | just have it be able to use the same user database |
| 21:22.33 | JeffM2501 | all the tools will have to be updated for 2.2 anyay |
| 21:22.59 | JeffM2501 | then just leave the old list running for the old servers |
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| 21:24.30 | JeffM2501 | maybe something based off a compiled app or service that can be runn over a buch of machiens, so we don't have the overhad of php |
| 21:27.04 | trepan | you think php is the bottleneck? |
| 21:28.25 | JeffM2501 | not all of it no, but the http->php->mysql sutf ain't helping performance |
| 21:28.44 | JeffM2501 | brlcad was the one that sugested the idea after all his work on the server |
| 21:29.18 | JeffM2501 | O |
| 21:29.34 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure the fact that it's web based dosn't help in the ability to disribute the work |
| 21:29.53 | JeffM2501 | tho I don't know much about mysql sharing and stuff |
| 21:33.49 | uso_p | do you get correct tokens from global if both server and clients are on a lan behind a firewall? |
| 21:34.19 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:34.36 | JeffM2501 | its a caching proxy that can screw yah |
| 21:34.58 | uso_p | thought the ip was coded into the token |
| 21:35.00 | JeffM2501 | both systerms send OUT a request to the list server |
| 21:35.17 | JeffM2501 | no the list server keeps the IP of the token requester |
| 21:35.29 | JeffM2501 | then the list server sends the IP and the token for verification |
| 21:35.36 | spldart | Will new proto be an hour or two soon or just sometime today soon? Was thinking of throwing on some Babylon 5 |
| 21:35.43 | spldart | hehe |
| 21:35.54 | JeffM2501 | I could commit now, but that means no testing :) |
| 21:36.12 | spldart | By no means don't do anything without being happy with it :~) |
| 21:36.14 | bryjen | s/caching// a transparent one will as well since the IP that requested the token will be the proxy and the IP bzfs sees will be the real client |
| 21:36.15 | uso_p | but if the requester connects to the server with a different (i.e. local) ip to the server shouldn't the token be invalid |
| 21:36.35 | uso_p | ? |
| 21:36.52 | bryjen | it does make an exception for the private address ranges (10. 172.16. 192.168. ) |
| 21:36.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah, thats a proxy, not af irewall :) |
| 21:37.04 | JeffM2501 | and yes the locals |
| 21:37.09 | uso_p | that's a firewall with nat |
| 21:37.19 | romfis | uso ! :P |
| 21:37.23 | JeffM2501 | if the client and server are on difrent nats |
| 21:37.29 | JeffM2501 | then they are cool |
| 21:37.35 | uso_p | on the same lan |
| 21:37.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's where it makes exceptions for the non routables |
| 21:38.08 | uso_p | server and client on the same private lan behind a firewall with nat |
| 21:38.08 | JeffM2501 | most routers with nat do the lan on a non routeable |
| 21:38.23 | JeffM2501 | the list server is aware of and make an exception for those |
| 21:38.39 | JeffM2501 | it will also see that the server is requesting from the same IP as the client ;) |
| 21:39.15 | uso_p | yes, but it connects not with the same ip to the bzflag server |
| 21:39.32 | JeffM2501 | the game server dosn't care, it trusts the list server |
| 21:39.37 | uso_p | if it works, ok |
| 21:39.42 | JeffM2501 | the list server will say his token is good |
| 21:39.42 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (17 files in 5 dirs): split the game type ( ffa, ctf, etc.. ) out from the game options, to make the type mutualy exclusive. |
| 21:41.03 | JeffM2501 | basicly the client will ask the list for a token, the list server will tive them a token, keep a copy ,and store the IP of the router |
| 21:41.15 | JeffM2501 | the server will get the token from the client via lan |
| 21:41.41 | JeffM2501 | send the token and the lan IP of the client to the list |
| 21:43.25 | JeffM2501 | then the list sees that the Ips don't match, but the server's Ip is the same as the client's IP, and the Ip the server sent was a lan IP, so it says it's cool as long as the token sent matches the stored one. |
| 21:43.34 | JeffM2501 | if I understand it correctly :) |
| 21:44.45 | uso_p | sounds at least logically :) |
| 21:45.19 | JeffM2501 | the only rason it comapres IPs is to make sure that somone didn't intercept your token to do an IP spoof |
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| 21:45.46 | JeffM2501 | if it's from your own lan, then it's ok to approve it cus if there is a problem, then you can go wack the guy |
| 21:56.44 | JeffM2501 | bahh msg Enter is done after the world... |
| 22:03.15 | spldart_watchBab | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.16 | SportChick | JeffM2501: has anyone complained at any point that their screen would spontaneously freeze periodically for a second at a time or so (sort of the same thing it looks like when you take a screenshot)? |
| 22:04.28 | JeffM2501 | haven't heard it |
| 22:04.43 | JeffM2501 | spldart_watchBab, pastebin? |
| 22:06.14 | SportChick | JeffM2501: odd thing..I've been running that build you guys did for me ages ago to fix my jitterbug problem. It's been going fine. Then yesterday, I reinstalled 2.0.2 to test something for ts. Even though I've since uninstalled 2.0.2 and deleted it, I now have this problem no matter which version I run. |
| 22:06.38 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 22:07.01 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosn't install anything into the OS, so any problem that goes from version to version is on your computer |
| 22:07.11 | JeffM2501 | done a spyware check? |
| 22:07.24 | spldart_watchBab | Is there a log in the dir where it dumps errors of a failed make |
| 22:07.43 | JeffM2501 | spldart_watchBab, and I'm suposed to magicaly see it on your machine from here how? ;) |
| 22:08.41 | spldart_watchBab | I didn't know if I do a build and get a bunch of errors if there is automatically a log of the build process in the bzflag dir |
| 22:09.04 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
| 22:09.10 | JeffM2501 | I don't do linux often |
| 22:09.11 | spldart_watchBab | I'll attempt again and leave the terminal open this time |
| 22:09.24 | spldart_watchBab | how can I copy out of a terminal anywho? |
| 22:09.33 | JeffM2501 | depends on your terminal |
| 22:09.38 | JeffM2501 | most just have it pipe to a file |
| 22:10.21 | bryjen | a gui terminal window should let you highlight with the mouse and copy |
| 22:10.25 | SportChick | JeffM2501: just did one - no spyware here |
| 22:10.40 | JeffM2501 | SportChick, it's hard to say from the vauge info |
| 22:10.53 | spldart_watchBab | Cleavon Little's Magazine |
| 22:10.53 | spldart_watchBab | XTerm didn't let me do that :( |
| 22:11.00 | SportChick | JeffM2501: understood. Any idea what I should look for to try and give you more specifics? |
| 22:11.15 | JeffM2501 | I'd look for other stuff running on your machine |
| 22:11.21 | JeffM2501 | it's probably munching up CPU time |
| 22:11.36 | JeffM2501 | or try to turn on power saver to have it use less cpu |
| 22:12.08 | spldart_watchBab | hehehe... didn't realize I had pasted that lol |
| 22:14.14 | JBdiGriz | Learn about I/O redirection in the shell. make 2>&1 | tee mk.log |
| 22:17.25 | JeffM2501 | any rason we have all the calls to "yieldCurrent" spread all over the main loop? |
| 22:17.36 | JeffM2501 | isn't it ok to just do one at the start or end? |
| 22:18.14 | uso | JeffM2501: why intercept the token if you can catch the password ;) |
| 22:18.24 | JeffM2501 | uso yeah totaly |
| 22:18.37 | JeffM2501 | I think he meant to encrypt it all at one point |
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| 22:23.51 | *** join/#bzflag QBeep (n=QB@adsl-33-221-69.lft.bellsouth.net) |
| 22:24.01 | bryjen | all the best rasons are covered in choclot |
| 22:30.28 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.149) |
| 22:32.57 | *** part/#bzflag SpazzyMcGee (n=SpazzyMc@fordend.demon.co.uk) |
| 22:46.59 | JeffM2501 | I'm doing a build of head on my debian system, no errors as of yet |
| 22:47.41 | spldart_watchBab | I grabbed head fresh and no errors either... |
| 22:47.45 | spldart_watchBab | I think it was my download |
| 22:47.52 | spldart_watchBab | By now lots of errors last time |
| 22:48.04 | brad | cvs head failed on my debian server |
| 22:48.32 | brad | would it help you to see the error? |
| 22:49.01 | JeffM2501 | sure pastebin it |
| 22:49.39 | brad | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/91802 |
| 22:50.04 | JeffM2501 | when is that code from? |
| 22:50.19 | brad | yesterday morning I think |
| 22:50.24 | brad | I'll update.. |
| 22:50.59 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah old code |
| 22:51.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's an old brlcad bug, it's been fixed |
| 22:51.30 | brad | ahh heh |
| 22:51.40 | JeffM2501 | tho oddly also in a section of code I modified today :) |
| 22:57.07 | spldart_watchBab | Ok... new fresh code and build is fine.. my other must have glitched the download cuz I've changed nothing else |
| 22:57.18 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 22:57.25 | JeffM2501 | as did mine |
| 22:57.37 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: re: split the game type ( ffa, ctf, etc.. ) out from the game options, to make the type mutualy exclusive: did you change the list server to handle this too? |
| 22:57.49 | JeffM2501 | it's packed as part of the string thingy |
| 22:58.16 | DTRemenak | k. so just everyone who USES the list server has to change |
| 22:58.21 | JeffM2501 | I think it'll handle arbitray data there, but I was gonna fix it if it needed after I tested a public server at hoome |
| 22:58.29 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yeah I THINK so |
| 22:58.35 | JeffM2501 | like 85% sure |
| 22:58.49 | DTRemenak | still gonna be a pain. m.b.o for one |
| 22:58.49 | JeffM2501 | it's packed up in that hex string thingy |
| 22:58.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah it'll have to update |
| 22:59.16 | JeffM2501 | it jsut didn't seem right to have them in there as bits |
| 22:59.28 | JeffM2501 | specialy when I'm leting the API set them now |
| 22:59.33 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 22:59.46 | DTRemenak | you should have a "custom" value also |
| 22:59.49 | JeffM2501 | just think now you have more room for your new option bits :) |
| 22:59.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah, thought about that |
| 23:00.04 | JeffM2501 | it's easy to add now |
| 23:00.04 | DTRemenak | so that game styles which are not on our list still work |
| 23:00.16 | DTRemenak | could even add a few of the common ones...1v1, htf, and so on |
| 23:00.18 | JeffM2501 | can have 65k game types :) |
| 23:00.44 | JeffM2501 | I think that will be enough ;) |
| 23:00.49 | DTRemenak | really we ought to implement htf in bzflag proper...wasn't someone gonna do that? |
| 23:01.34 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking of having a "custom" one then also packing in a string name for it on the ass end of the ping packet |
| 23:01.52 | JeffM2501 | so you'd see the name when you pinged the server for more info |
| 23:02.12 | JeffM2501 | depends how much the list server can hold in the string |
| 23:02.20 | DTRemenak | yeah, could do that |
| 23:02.24 | DTRemenak | that'd be kinda nifty |
| 23:02.30 | JeffM2501 | I didn't want to push it too much further, so I only added 2 chars ;) |
| 23:02.30 | spldart_watchBab | up on 0041 |
| 23:02.41 | JeffM2501 | spldart_watchBab, cool so now I can do 42 |
| 23:02.59 | JeffM2501 | naw I got a bit for 42 |
| 23:03.00 | spldart_watchBab | LOL |
| 23:03.05 | JeffM2501 | I got side tracked |
| 23:03.15 | JeffM2501 | mainloop needed some lovin |
| 23:03.31 | JeffM2501 | nice functions called "handleJoyStick" |
| 23:03.47 | DTRemenak | heh. I've been sidetracked all weekend. thought "great, I'll have a bunch of time to work on bz" and all I've been doing is reviewing patches... :) |
| 23:03.55 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:04.03 | DTRemenak | great to see people interested though |
| 23:04.05 | JeffM2501 | and drive down here thrusday |
| 23:04.09 | DTRemenak | fly |
| 23:04.11 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 23:04.13 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 23:04.15 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 23:04.17 | JeffM2501 | then fly right back? |
| 23:04.18 | DTRemenak | that's what I thought |
| 23:04.20 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 23:04.24 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:04.29 | DTRemenak | fly down in the morning, back in the evening |
| 23:04.38 | JeffM2501 | how you getting here? |
| 23:05.04 | DTRemenak | last I heard chris was either gonna pick me up at the airport, or send someone to do the same |
| 23:05.10 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 23:05.18 | JeffM2501 | they didn't do that for me :) |
| 23:05.26 | JeffM2501 | tho I lived in moorpark at the time |
| 23:05.34 | DTRemenak | yeah, you were local |
| 23:05.47 | JeffM2501 | umm you can see my old apt from this office |
| 23:05.50 | JeffM2501 | both of em |
| 23:05.56 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 23:06.01 | DTRemenak | is it a decent place to live? |
| 23:06.08 | JeffM2501 | moorpark, yeah ish |
| 23:06.17 | JeffM2501 | I don't live in moorpark anymore |
| 23:06.28 | DTRemenak | yeah, I know that...but you know more than I do :) |
| 23:06.30 | JeffM2501 | there are 4 other towns around here that are fine |
| 23:06.42 | JBdiGriz | note the backwards spelling for one opinion of moorpark |
| 23:06.44 | JeffM2501 | moorpark is quiet, but the main road is somewhat fulla trucks |
| 23:06.46 | DTRemenak | the way I figure, closer is better |
| 23:06.51 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah, we totaly know that one :) |
| 23:07.01 | JeffM2501 | simi is like 2 miles away |
| 23:07.07 | JeffM2501 | Thousand oaks like 4 |
| 23:07.19 | DTRemenak | yeah, was looking at a map |
| 23:07.19 | JeffM2501 | and camarillo like 10 |
| 23:07.23 | JBdiGriz | How far until you get to some place with something to do? |
| 23:07.25 | JeffM2501 | so it's not like it's a big comute |
| 23:07.33 | JeffM2501 | ventura has a decent amount of stuff |
| 23:07.37 | JeffM2501 | as well as westlake |
| 23:07.48 | JeffM2501 | then you can hit up the vally in about 30 min |
| 23:07.52 | DTRemenak | JBdiGriz: I'm sure broadband is available, I'll have plenty to do :P |
| 23:07.53 | JeffM2501 | so not too bad |
| 23:08.04 | JBdiGriz | Westlake is perhaps the only interesting one nearby, and heading down to Malibu is also worthwhile. |
| 23:08.08 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah, I don't know of a place around here with out it |
| 23:08.26 | JeffM2501 | I was able to get 6 megs down via DSL a the crap apartments ;) |
| 23:08.43 | JeffM2501 | ventura is cool :) |
| 23:08.47 | JBdiGriz | DTRemenak: Get a real life beyond the virtual life. You will discover some fascinating studies (especially in malibu/point dume) |
| 23:08.47 | JeffM2501 | I drive up there all the time |
| 23:08.52 | JeffM2501 | nice motocycle ride |
| 23:09.27 | JeffM2501 | there is a nice theater in Simi we usualy go to see movies at |
| 23:09.38 | JeffM2501 | tho this last time we went to a new one in camarillo |
| 23:10.00 | JBdiGriz | Camarillo, home of the pleasant valley pheasant pluckers. |
| 23:10.05 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:10.11 | JeffM2501 | at least its' not oxnard ;) |
| 23:10.15 | JeffM2501 | the nard smells |
| 23:10.17 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:10.34 | JeffM2501 | you can get lots of cheap fruit out there tho |
| 23:10.37 | JBdiGriz | I had a gf who lived in Oxnard, of course we were in school at UCSD at the time. ;) |
| 23:10.55 | JeffM2501 | I mostly just try to drive thru the nard |
| 23:11.39 | JBdiGriz | There's some fun to be had down by the beach or Santa Monica, the valley, or in LA. Try to get down there occasionally. |
| 23:11.56 | JBdiGriz | And it's always better to see a first run movie in Westwood/Hollywood. |
| 23:12.17 | DTRemenak | I always avoid the first week or so of movies, too many people |
| 23:12.18 | JeffM2501 | it's not like it's his first time in socal man ;) |
| 23:12.34 | brad | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.36 | DTRemenak | and yeah I lived for like two years in pasadena :) |
| 23:12.36 | JeffM2501 | we sometimes bail early from work and see one first day at like 3:00 |
| 23:12.37 | brad | automake-1.6: plugins/Makefile.am: `plugins/Makefile.am' does not exist |
| 23:12.39 | JBdiGriz | He's been cloistered in Pasadena, home of the LOL. |
| 23:12.43 | JeffM2501 | beats the crouds |
| 23:12.57 | JeffM2501 | brad, cvs update -dP |
| 23:13.01 | JeffM2501 | you are missing stuff |
| 23:13.07 | brad | oh |
| 23:13.48 | JeffM2501 | I just hope it all goes well. |
| 23:14.16 | JeffM2501 | your not the only one I'm trying to get a job here ;) |
| 23:14.30 | brlcad | wow, so much log for one day... |
| 23:14.45 | DTRemenak | yeah, I'm sure |
| 23:14.56 | JeffM2501 | tho the other is a part time tech writer |
| 23:15.20 | DTRemenak | chris suggested that they were looking for more than one person, actually |
| 23:15.20 | SportChick | ~sushi brlcad |
| 23:15.26 | ibot | ACTION fishes madly all day long & brings the very best back, filets it carefully and serves brlcad the best, freshest sushi ever |
| 23:15.32 | JeffM2501 | for QA |
| 23:15.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah we probably will be |
| 23:15.37 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 23:15.51 | JeffM2501 | we missed our target ship date by a month, basicly due to lack of QA resources |
| 23:15.57 | DTRemenak | ack |
| 23:16.00 | JeffM2501 | so it's become a big thing |
| 23:16.01 | A_Meteorite | ~logs |
| 23:16.02 | ibot | [logs] http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 23:16.15 | JeffM2501 | oh we are like happy with a month, it's the closest we've ever been :) |
| 23:16.42 | JeffM2501 | we actualy made it on the day, but had to pull the CDs cus of a small number of big bugs. |
| 23:17.04 | JeffM2501 | so it's all post mortem time here, so good time to hire :) |
| 23:18.02 | brlcad | whomever is messaging is gonna have to wait their turn, I'm only up to lunchtime ;) |
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| 23:21.19 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: break up the main playing loop into some logical functions. |
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| 23:25.07 | Mr_Molez | ~bzcvs |
| 23:25.08 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag (this is for HEAD ie: 2.1 see also bz20cvs) |
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| 23:26.40 | brlcad | woot, caught up.. ouch |
| 23:27.08 | JeffM2501 | brain hurt now? |
| 23:27.16 | brlcad | massive deja vu JeffM2501 regarding "can have 65k game types" .. i think you said almost that exact same thing about two years ago around this time :) |
| 23:27.26 | JeffM2501 | I did? |
| 23:27.38 | JeffM2501 | why didn't I change the code then? |
| 23:27.50 | brlcad | something to that effect about changing the gamestyles and how you could have 65k of them :) |
| 23:28.01 | JeffM2501 | didn't I like quit last year |
| 23:28.07 | JeffM2501 | or was that the one before? |
| 23:28.10 | brlcad | it was two years ago |
| 23:28.14 | JeffM2501 | damn |
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| 23:31.35 | JeffM2501 | findFastConfiguration |
| 23:31.37 | JeffM2501 | video |
| 23:31.40 | brlcad | ahh |
| 23:32.07 | brlcad | I'd say the best that runs with reasonable time |
| 23:32.10 | JeffM2501 | ahh looks like best in a rasonable time |
| 23:32.17 | brlcad | the fastest will almost always be crap :) |
| 23:32.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:32.35 | JeffM2501 | we start high, and go lower |
| 23:32.42 | JeffM2501 | first one to be under a fixed limit is it |
| 23:32.43 | brlcad | 320x200, 8-bit, no texturing ;) |
| 23:33.36 | brlcad | hey, if the fps is higher than the refresh rate, it's plenty ;) |
| 23:33.58 | JeffM2501 | we shoot for 20fps |
| 23:34.01 | JeffM2501 | is that reasonable? |
| 23:34.21 | Mr_Molez | how come u can notice its slow when its under 110 fps.. but ur eyes can only see 30fps ? |
| 23:34.22 | JeffM2501 | basicly first one faster then 20fps is the one we pick |
| 23:34.33 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, cus your display shears |
| 23:34.45 | Mr_Molez | oh ok :P |
| 23:34.47 | JeffM2501 | also some of the simulation code gets wonky when doing stuff that fast |
| 23:34.57 | JeffM2501 | the time delta becomes REALY REALY small |
| 23:34.57 | DTRemenak | yeah, the sim code is the problem at high rates |
| 23:35.07 | DTRemenak | 80fps or so is about the limit you can notice on a CRT |
| 23:35.24 | JeffM2501 | LCDs can vary more, they shrear more as well |
| 23:35.47 | DTRemenak | we don't just render in a frame, we do everything else then too |
| 23:35.50 | JeffM2501 | you can also still get shear on CRTs if your refresh sin't a multiple of your frame rate |
| 23:36.48 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501: how do you avoid shear? |
| 23:36.56 | Mr_Molez | ok sorry to but in carry on ur convo :P |
| 23:37.19 | Gnurdux | something wierd: in a program I was working on, on some runs it got shear, on some it didn't, but you had to restart it if it did |
| 23:37.21 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, limit your frame rate to your refresh/update time |
| 23:37.23 | CBG | Gnurdux: just don't answer his phone calls and keep looking over your shoulder. |
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| 23:37.33 | JeffM2501 | and don't use sucky slow LCDs |
| 23:37.37 | Gnurdux | lol |
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| 23:37.50 | JeffM2501 | vsync is designed to prevent shear on analog displays |
| 23:38.14 | Gnurdux | how do you limit framerate to refresh rate> |
| 23:38.26 | JeffM2501 | vsync |
| 23:38.35 | Gnurdux | does it work on LCDs? |
| 23:38.49 | JeffM2501 | vga or DVI conector? |
| 23:38.53 | Gnurdux | vga |
| 23:38.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah it'll proalby help |
| 23:39.04 | JeffM2501 | they fake a refresh |
| 23:40.04 | AlexandrTheGreat | i recently returned a dell flat panel since when playing bz, everything blurred when i turned side to side |
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| 23:43.50 | AlexandrTheGreat | like i was looking thru vaseline when i turned |
| 23:43.56 | JeffM2501 | what card did you drive it with? |
| 23:44.01 | AlexandrTheGreat | let me check... |
| 23:44.40 | AlexandrTheGreat | GeForce FX 5200: |
| 23:44.43 | AlexandrTheGreat | for mac |
| 23:44.51 | JeffM2501 | a slower card |
| 23:44.52 | AlexandrTheGreat | does that suck? |
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| 23:44.53 | AlexandrTheGreat | ah |
| 23:45.22 | AlexandrTheGreat | so even with a faster updating panel, i may have the same problem? |
| 23:47.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah if your system can't send it updates fast enough |
| 23:47.17 | AlexandrTheGreat | recommendation for a good mac card? |
| 23:47.24 | JeffM2501 | same as a PC card |
| 23:47.29 | JeffM2501 | macs are PCs now |
| 23:47.33 | AlexandrTheGreat | mine isn't |
| 23:47.37 | JeffM2501 | sure it is |
| 23:47.40 | AlexandrTheGreat | non-intel |
| 23:47.42 | JeffM2501 | it has an AGP card right? |
| 23:47.45 | JeffM2501 | so it's a PPC pc |
| 23:47.48 | JeffM2501 | whopty do |
| 23:47.49 | AlexandrTheGreat | yes |
| 23:47.58 | AlexandrTheGreat | dual processor 2.0 gig or something |
| 23:48.03 | JeffM2501 | AGP cards are going to be harder to find |
| 23:48.12 | CBG | Either, Macs were always PCs of Macs will never be PCs. |
| 23:48.18 | CBG | Depends on definition... |
| 23:48.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:48.30 | AlexandrTheGreat | uh oh..now we're talking religion |
| 23:48.32 | JeffM2501 | I mean they share most hardware now |
| 23:48.37 | JeffM2501 | tho you'll need a mac bios |
| 23:48.38 | L4m3r | I don't think OS X has any support for nvidia video cards, btw |
| 23:48.42 | JeffM2501 | so you'll pay a little more |
| 23:48.45 | CBG | PC actually means Personal Computer, thus Macs were always PCs. |
| 23:48.46 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, it does |
| 23:48.54 | L4m3r | really? |
| 23:48.57 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:48.59 | L4m3r | other than macvidia? |
| 23:49.02 | JeffM2501 | a number of them shiped with them |
| 23:49.04 | CBG | Though, PC is often used to mean Non-Macs, in which case Macs can never be PCs... |
| 23:49.04 | JeffM2501 | from apple |
| 23:49.20 | AlexandrTheGreat | that is a good one? |
| 23:49.26 | JeffM2501 | you have basicly 2 choices |
| 23:49.33 | JeffM2501 | you can get a card with a mac bios on it |
| 23:49.48 | JeffM2501 | and spend bout 100$ more then the standard card |
| 23:49.55 | JeffM2501 | or you can get a standard card, and flash a mac bios into it |
| 23:50.15 | JeffM2501 | the mac cards are more rare, so I'd just see what you can find in your budget |
| 23:50.40 | JeffM2501 | there are some good radeon cards, and some good nvidia cards |
| 23:50.49 | AlexandrTheGreat | k, ty for all that explanation.. i think i get it now |
| 23:50.52 | JeffM2501 | you'll proibably spend around 200 to 250 |
| 23:52.25 | AlexandrTheGreat | i still feel like im' guessing with the flat panel whether it will be adequate for gaming |
| 23:52.48 | AlexandrTheGreat | dell took it back and said, "get a crt" |
| 23:53.19 | AlexandrTheGreat | the mac flat panel is like $800 |
| 23:53.44 | AlexandrTheGreat | i wonder if this blur exists on the imac or laptops |
| 23:54.23 | AlexandrTheGreat | maybe that is why cbg sees so many shots through :D |
| 23:54.56 | CBG | Or maybe it's just cause there are too many cheaters? :| |
| 23:55.37 | AlexandrTheGreat | after you try a wired connection, we'll talk |
| 23:57.42 | CBG | I can only do that during the day. :| |
| 23:57.47 | CBG | ie, morning for you. |
| 23:58.15 | JeffM2501 | the smaller displays seem to have faster update times |
| 23:58.35 | JeffM2501 | my 24 has an update of 16 |
| 23:58.38 | JeffM2501 | it's gneraly okl |
| 23:59.00 | JeffM2501 | but on some very very fast display changes I can see some ghosting. |
| 23:59.05 | JeffM2501 | but it's rare |
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