irclog2html for #bzflag on 20060618

`00:09.58`	`Gnurdux`	`~karma CBG`
`00:09.58`	`ibot`	`cbg has karma of -305`
`00:11.03`	`A_Meteorite`	`~karma Gnurdux`
`00:11.03`	`ibot`	`gnurdux has karma of 13`
`00:11.21`	`Gnurdux`	`whoa`
`00:11.28`	`A_Meteorite`	`Did I scare you yesterday on religion, Gnurdux?`
`00:11.47`	`Gnurdux`	`hehe kinda yea`
`00:11.50`	`A_Meteorite`	`:D`
`00:11.56`	`Gnurdux`	`are those reallly your views?`
`00:11.59`	`A_Meteorite`	`yes`
`00:12.02`	`Gnurdux`	`wow`
`00:12.16`	`Gnurdux`	`its unusual for a bzflag player`
`00:12.21`	`wegstar`	`huh?`
`00:12.39`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`00:12.40`	`Gnurdux`	`wegstar, A_Meteorite is a super-Christian`
`00:12.49`	`wegstar`	`o`
`00:12.49`	`Gnurdux`	`like really christian`
`00:12.51`	`JeffM2501`	`a number of them are`
`00:12.55`	`bryjen`	`does he wear a cape?`
`00:12.57`	`JeffM2501`	`many of the homeschool kids`
`00:12.59`	`Gnurdux`	`A_Meteorite, do you believe that all non-Christians are damned?`
`00:13.11`	`JeffM2501`	`Gnurdux, NOT here`
`00:13.12`	`A_Meteorite`	`Gnurdux: yes, but probably not the best place to talk about it...`
`00:13.16`	`Gnurdux`	`lol`
`00:13.35`	`*** kick/#bzflag [Gnurdux!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501)`
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`00:13.48`	`JeffM2501`	`So very much NOT the place skip`
`00:14.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`JeffM2501: I'm not sure why but homeschool and Christians go together like peanut butter and jelly... ;)`
`00:14.30`	`JeffM2501`	`I know why`
`00:14.33`	`JeffM2501`	`but again, not the place`
`00:14.47`	`A_Meteorite`	`yeah, I was just asking if I scared him :P`
`00:14.55`	`JeffM2501`	`dosn't mater`
`00:15.10`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok, I'll be quiet now`
`00:15.13`	`spldart`	`oh no`
`00:15.29`	`A_Meteorite`	`spldart: don't break the silence now ;)`
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`01:15.21`	`cosmos`	`i missed a fun topic`
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`02:52.56`	`spldart`	`>cosmos .... yeah ;-)`
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`03:14.14`	`[NP]Tangent`	`woooooooooo`
`03:14.19`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I made my first bzflag map today!`
`03:14.29`	`A_Meteorite`	`cool`
`03:14.30`	`A_Meteorite`	`release it`
`03:14.34`	`[NP]Tangent`	`will do`
`03:14.38`	`[NP]Tangent`	`after dinner`
`03:14.41`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`03:15.38`	`[NP]Tangent`	`it's fairly small`
`03:15.43`	`[NP]Tangent`	`but kinda fun`
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`03:31.23`	`[NP]Tangent`	`alright`
`03:31.24`	`[NP]Tangent`	`here you go`
`03:31.25`	`[NP]Tangent`	`http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8329&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=`
`03:31.30`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I'll try and get a test server up`
`03:31.38`	`[NP]Tangent`	`dynamic dns isn't being nice to me`
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`04:09.02`	`spldart`	`Ah... no screenies?`
`04:11.49`	`[NP]Tangent`	`not yet`
`04:11.52`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I can go get one right now`
`04:11.56`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I got a server up temporarily`
`04:12.05`	`[NP]Tangent`	`tangentirc.gotdns.com port 5154`
`04:12.19`	`[NP]Tangent`	`gonna go play around a bit`
`04:15.38`	`spldart`	`k`
`04:18.22`	`spldart`	`:(... can't connect`
`04:21.51`	`[NP]Tangent`	`hmm`
`04:21.54`	`[NP]Tangent`	`what error?`
`04:21.57`	`[NP]Tangent`	`and btw`
`04:22.02`	`[NP]Tangent`	`how can I take a screenshot in game?`
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`04:23.23`	`[NP]Tangent`	`ugh`
`04:23.24`	`[NP]Tangent`	`that's why`
`04:23.32`	`[NP]Tangent`	`it's trying to go to 10.10.10.69`
`04:26.42`	`[NP]Tangent`	`why would it try and connect to my local ip on my lan`
`04:26.46`	`[NP]Tangent`	`instead of my actual IP`
`04:26.48`	`[NP]Tangent`	`wait`
`04:26.51`	`[NP]Tangent`	`port forwarding`
`04:26.55`	`[NP]Tangent`	`gotta change port`
`04:27.24`	`[NP]Tangent`	`try port 6969`
`04:30.19`	`trepan`	`[NP]Tangent: F5 for screenshots`
`04:30.36`	`[NP]Tangent`	`ah`
`04:30.37`	`[NP]Tangent`	`thanks`
`04:31.14`	`[NP]Tangent`	`alright`
`04:31.19`	`[NP]Tangent`	`this is stupid`
`04:31.25`	`[NP]Tangent`	`bleh`
`04:31.44`	`[NP]Tangent`	`someone open bz and try and connect to tangentirc.gotdns.com port 6969`
`04:31.54`	`[NP]Tangent`	`my computer doesn't like me connecting to myself like that`
`04:34.28`	`[NP]Tangent`	`alright`
`04:34.31`	`[NP]Tangent`	`got screenshots`
`04:34.32`	`L4m3r`	`[NP]Tangent: are you on a cam?`
`04:34.36`	`L4m3r`	`mac*`
`04:35.17`	`[NP]Tangent`	`no`
`04:35.19`	`[NP]Tangent`	`Ubuntu Linux`
`04:35.40`	`L4m3r`	`oh. interesting.`
`04:35.55`	`L4m3r`	`a-delusion was having a similar issue but he's on a mac, so...`
`04:36.05`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I just have issues with connecting to myself`
`04:36.11`	`[NP]Tangent`	`something odd with my networking`
`04:36.23`	`[NP]Tangent`	`try and connect to my bz server`
`04:36.45`	`[NP]Tangent`	`details are about 12 lines ago`
`04:41.20`	`[NP]Tangent`	`oi`
`04:41.24`	`[NP]Tangent`	`wish someone could test this`
`04:41.24`	`[NP]Tangent`	`:(`
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`04:57.35`	`[NP]Tangent`	`~bzfquery tangentirc.gotdns.com:6969`
`04:57.47`	`[NP]Tangent`	`neat`
`04:58.09`	`[NP]Tangent`	`~bzfquery tangentirc.gotdns.com:6969`
`04:58.18`	`[NP]Tangent`	`alright`
`04:58.20`	`[NP]Tangent`	`so it works`
`04:58.24`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I'll be damned`
`05:01.34`	`A_Meteorite`	`~bzfquery 216.55.160.43:6026`
`05:01.56`	`A_Meteorite`	`sigh boxy war is down`
`05:02.26`	`[NP]Tangent`	`~bzfquery tangentirc.gotdns.com:6969`
`05:02.37`	`A_Meteorite`	`lol, mine is still trying`
`05:02.43`	`A_Meteorite`	`~bzfquery bzfx.net:6026`
`05:03.05`	`A_Meteorite`	`...great`
`05:04.54`	`A_Meteorite`	`now you tell m`
`05:04.55`	`A_Meteorite`	`*me`
`05:23.57`	`[NP]Tangent`	`heh`
`05:23.58`	`[NP]Tangent`	`mine works`
`05:24.00`	`[NP]Tangent`	`odd`
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`05:36.55`	`csmanx`	`hey guys`
`05:37.14`	`csmanx`	`is there any way to play sound over the network ?`
`05:37.35`	`csmanx`	`audio settings allows driver name , but no more options`
`05:37.53`	`csmanx`	`i'm trying to do something like mplayer's -ao esd:server_ip:port`
`05:52.01`	`JeffM2501`	`the fields are just sent to SDL`
`05:52.08`	`JeffM2501`	`so what ever SDL can do, bz can do`
`06:18.52`	`[NP]Tangent`	`hm`
`06:18.59`	`DTRemenak\|RDP`	`csmanx: sdl can use esd for audio, and esd can be set to play over the network. I believe you need to start esd with "-tcp -public" or something similar, then set ESPEAKER=ip:port. In bzflag, set the audio driver to esd and it should work.`
`06:19.02`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I should con my web host into hosting a bzflag server`
`06:19.43`	`DTRemenak`	`csmanx: I do not have a setup on which to test though. If you run into problems not directly related to bzflag, ask the esd guys :)`
`06:19.54`	`purple_cow`	`just what the world needs, another bzflag server`
`06:20.05`	`[NP]Tangent`	`heh`
`06:20.20`	`[NP]Tangent`	`nothing big`
`06:20.27`	`[NP]Tangent`	`just a small little server`
`06:20.30`	`DTRemenak`	`well ya know, the 250 we have now are just not adequate, purple_cow. they're all overflowing with players.`
`06:21.47`	`purple_cow`	`well, when you put it that way...`
`06:22.36`	`[NP]Tangent`	`really it's going to be a server for the NP guys to play on`
`06:23.51`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I want to set up a server that runs on a rotation of like`
`06:23.58`	`DTRemenak`	`[NP]Tangent: as always, you are free to do as you please. if your guys will play on it, more power to you.`
`06:24.13`	`[NP]Tangent`	`2 hours of FFA, 2 hours of CTF, then 2 hours of RH`
`06:27.23`	`[NP]Tangent`	`or have a server that rotates community-supplied maps every hour and a half`
`06:27.27`	`[NP]Tangent`	`whatever would be cool`
`06:27.45`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I remember there was an Armagetron server where we had a bunch of community maps together in a rotation`
`06:27.56`	`[NP]Tangent`	`might be a good way to show off some maps`
`06:27.58`	`[NP]Tangent`	`and what not`
`06:31.42`	`DTRemenak`	`if anyone actually goes there, which they probably won't`
`06:39.49`	`[NP]Tangent`	`i know a couple people who would`
`06:39.57`	`[NP]Tangent`	`yeah`
`06:40.04`	`[NP]Tangent`	`at least 3 or 4`
`06:40.14`	`[NP]Tangent`	`which is enough to get it possibly noticed`
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`10:36.01`	`Birdie`	`ok this is strange, somethimes my internet doesnt work but when i move around my router it works. I first thought it was the port of my router which was broken but i tried all ports allready and same result, the second pc always has internet, although its going the same way (with the router), any ideas,`
`10:36.15`	`Birdie`	`?`
`10:36.33`	`Birdie`	`i can work fine for some days, and than doing stupid for hours`
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`12:17.58`	`Intoxicator`	`'morning`
`12:20.47`	`Intoxicator`	`since upgrading to v2.0.8, i can't set my brightness anymore to a level which allow me to see much on the playing field. the display option birghtness slider can be pulled to max, but jumps back to about 30 % as soon as i exit the settings dialog. about all server are far too dark for me. any other tricks to increase brightness?`
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`13:38.50`	`Genosse_Darklord`	`hi, is there a global banlist?`
`13:43.24`	`ToughShooter`	`Genosse_Darklord: There is a master ban list`
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`14:59.32`	`protocol2`	`I had a question...can someone please help me out?`
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`15:00.12`	`protocol2`	`I am using ubuntu dapper`
`15:01.30`	`protocol2`	`and I gave bzflag installed...but when I try and open it....it shows a small black window for like two seconds like its trying to open but ot closes ans nothing happens afterwards?`
`15:03.12`	`protocol2`	`i tried to open this trough a terminal and it gave me some errors`
`15:03.25`	`protocol2`	`or it showed me some errors`
`15:14.37`	`Genosse_Darklord`	`x-windows with 3d support installed?`
`15:17.05`	`ruskie`	`beter yet is 3d acceleration support enabled :)`
`15:18.26`	`protocol2`	`ruskie, yep`
`15:19.28`	`protocol2`	`using ubuntu(dapper drake) linux`
`15:21.44`	`ruskie`	`well then give us the errors...`
`15:21.57`	`protocol2`	`victor@ubuntu:~$ bzflag`
`15:21.57`	`protocol2`	`X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)`
`15:21.57`	`protocol2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:21.57`	`protocol2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:21.57`	`protocol2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:21.58`	`protocol2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:22.00`	`protocol2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:22.02`	`protocol2`	`victor@ubuntu:~$`
`15:22.04`	`protocol2`	`victor@ubuntu:~$`
`15:22.41`	`protocol2`	`i dont like doing that but I did`
`15:24.03`	`ruskie`	`you COULD have used some pastebin service`
`15:24.10`	`protocol2`	`true`
`15:24.35`	`protocol2`	`is there an easy way to fix that?`
`15:25.05`	`ruskie`	`hmmm show us your xorg.conf`
`15:25.12`	`ruskie`	`might be easier to help...`
`15:25.32`	`protocol2`	`how do I go about doing that?`
`15:25.51`	`ruskie`	`copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf to some pastebin site like paste.se`
`15:29.57`	`protocol2`	`ruskie, ok I pasted it there at paste.se`
`15:39.10`	`protocol2`	`http://131d402f215cd101.paste.se/`
`15:39.22`	`protocol2`	`ruskie, there you go`
`15:45.50`	`ruskie`	`ahh you have a riva tnt2`
`15:45.57`	`ruskie`	`you'll need a driwer that supports that`
`15:46.00`	`ruskie`	`no clue which one`
`15:46.14`	`ruskie`	`anyway I'm off for a while...`
`15:46.17`	`protocol2`	`nope`
`15:46.34`	`ruskie`	`then your config is wrong`
`15:46.41`	`ruskie`	`if you don't have a rive tnt2`
`15:46.48`	`protocol2`	`i do`
`15:47.15`	`protocol2`	`when I first boot that what the model says it is`
`15:48.02`	`protocol2`	`not sure whats wrong though`
`15:48.41`	`protocol2`	`is there anything else I can modify in there that would help out`
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`15:53.20`	`Genosse_Darklord`	`ask JeffM2501`
`15:53.50`	`Genosse_Darklord`	`protocol2: : did you try another 3d game?`
`15:54.36`	`protocol2`	`yeah i play counter strike under cedega`
`15:54.48`	`JeffM2501`	`?`
`15:55.06`	`protocol2`	`whats another good 3d game I can try out?`
`15:55.30`	`JeffM2501`	`what is the problem?`
`15:55.55`	`protocol2`	`oh and here the error when I try to start bzflag from console...http://9d60f0512f9e4457.paste.se/`
`15:56.20`	`JeffM2501`	`what video card?`
`15:57.07`	`protocol2`	`video card is here http://131d402f215cd101.paste.se/`
`15:57.33`	`JeffM2501`	`oh a riva`
`15:57.46`	`JeffM2501`	`try doing this at the console`
`15:57.54`	`JeffM2501`	`bzflag -window -geometry 800x600`
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`15:58.19`	`protocol2`	`k hang on`
`15:58.20`	`JeffM2501`	`it probably can't run full screen at your desktop res on that little card`
`16:01.03`	`protocol2`	`yeah I got it`
`16:01.13`	`protocol2`	`im using 1024 X 768`
`16:01.32`	`protocol2`	`and it did open with that 800 x 600 setting`
`16:01.36`	`protocol2`	`thanks`
`16:01.57`	`JeffM2501`	`some older cards don't like to go fullscreen at larger desktop resolutions`
`16:02.24`	`JeffM2501`	`you can probably play around with your config and find a fullscreen res it does like`
`16:02.39`	`JeffM2501`	`or upgrade to a newer card`
`16:02.47`	`JeffM2501`	`like a GeForce or something`
`16:12.08`	`protocol2`	`yeah this is old dell station i got from a friend`
`16:12.21`	`protocol2`	`im glad he didnt throw it away`
`16:16.24`	`trepan`	`protocol2: try hitting F1 to go fullscreen (after you've started in a window)`
`16:16.38`	`protocol2`	`k`
`16:19.18`	`trepan`	`oops, or what that supposed to be: go to the Options -> Display -> Change Video Format menu`
`16:20.38`	`trepan`	`pre-coffee advice...`
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`16:22.09`	`[NP]Tangent_`	`hey trepan`
`16:22.17`	`[NP]Tangent_`	`did you ever get a chance to check out that map I made?`
`16:24.08`	`trepan`	`[NP]Tangent: just looked at your screenies`
`16:24.42`	`[NP]Tangent`	`cool`
`16:24.54`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I got a server at least somewhat working`
`16:24.55`	`[NP]Tangent`	`if you wanna test it`
`16:25.05`	`[NP]Tangent`	`up-to-date information's in the forum post`
`16:27.58`	`[NP]Tangent`	`work time`
`16:28.41`	`trepan`	`[NP]Tangent: try not to have coplanar overlapping surfaces`
`16:29.04`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I can fix that`
`16:29.14`	`[NP]Tangent`	`how big of an issue is it really, though?`
`16:30.16`	`trepan`	`for those old style maps, 'bzmapper' can automatically cut up boxes to fix the problem`
`16:30.42`	`[NP]Tangent`	`alright`
`16:30.47`	`[NP]Tangent`	`I'll look for it when I get home`
`16:30.53`	`[NP]Tangent`	`off to work`
`16:31.04`	`[NP]Tangent`	`later`
`16:32.53`	`Birdie`	`i just see in my config: #set fpsLimit 30`
`16:33.00`	`Birdie`	`it limits my fps till 30?:s`
`16:33.21`	`[NP]Tangent`	`that's commented`
`16:33.27`	`[NP]Tangent`	`it won't do anything if it has that # in front`
`16:34.01`	`JeffM2501`	`Birdie, if the limiter is on`
`16:43.01`	`Pimpi`	`JeffM2501: are additions to bzfsAPI still wanted in v2_0branch ?`
`16:43.26`	`JeffM2501`	`depends what we want to do with it`
`16:43.29`	`JeffM2501`	`personaly I'd say no`
`16:43.33`	`JeffM2501`	`new stuff in 2.1`
`16:43.47`	`Pimpi`	`ok then, it?s your baby`
`16:43.56`	`JeffM2501`	`no it's not`
`16:44.02`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm not in charge`
`16:45.52`	`Pimpi`	`well, the ducati folks want to change -time values from a plugin`
`16:46.23`	`JeffM2501`	`at least you can give it to them as a patch`
`16:46.36`	`Pimpi`	`they already made the patch ;)`
`16:46.40`	`Pimpi`	`themselves`
`16:47.14`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: i'd be adding a few for the stats crap`
`16:47.30`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, and you did a couple things a few days aog`
`16:47.40`	`JeffM2501`	`Pimpi, I'm just sayin do what ya need to do ;)`
`16:47.41`	`Pimpi`	`i?m just wondering whether the /countdown command thould be tweaked to do the job`
`16:48.25`	`Pimpi`	`JeffM2501: i?ll do ;)`
`16:48.47`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: really? didn't think I'd committed to bzfsAPI.h yet`
`16:49.40`	`JeffM2501`	`oh no I don't mean the API, I mean just to 2.0`
`16:50.27`	`JeffM2501`	`the API is just one part of the software, I claim no ownership or stewardship over it`
`16:51.22`	`trepan`	`ah, i've added an event type or two, and will need to implement pluginMaxWait`
`16:51.57`	`JeffM2501`	`what will that do?`
`16:52.06`	`trepan`	`it's already been defined in bzfs.cxx`
`16:52.32`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh yeah to make the tick events come faster`
`16:52.34`	`trepan`	`set to 1000.0f, forever (can set the select() loop break time)`
`16:55.07`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: i'll reset it high on every Tick, and make the plugins set it again`
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`18:34.00`	`ruskie`	`mobile vodafone user tha Pimpi-M :)`
`18:34.29`	`Pimpi-M`	`Yep`
`18:34.49`	`ruskie`	`nice to see more vodafone users around :)`
`18:35.14`	`Pimpi-M`	`Heh`
`18:36.56`	`Pimpi-M`	`I have a giantific homezone with vodafone`
`18:37.24`	`ruskie`	`?`
`18:37.49`	`Pimpi-M`	`Thats why i prefer them`
`18:38.08`	`ruskie`	`I prefer them since they offer me quite good service...`
`18:38.19`	`Birdie`	`vodafone is what i got when i went to italy`
`18:38.23`	`Birdie`	`as operator`
`18:38.28`	`Birdie`	`if i remember well`
`18:40.18`	`Pimpi-M`	`Homezone = area around my home where i can do cheaper calls`
`18:40.28`	`ruskie`	`ahh`
`18:40.38`	`ruskie`	`sweet`
`18:40.46`	`ruskie`	`can't wait for them to get that here`
`18:41.03`	`ruskie`	`but I don't really call ppl all that much`
`18:41.15`	`ruskie`	`if anyone wants me irc/im is just faster with me`
`18:42.09`	`[suave]`	`reboot`
`18:43.14`	`ruskie`	`wrong window :)`
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`19:13.38`	`voldern`	`Hi guys, im trying to compile BZFlag with VC7. I would compile perfectly before i formated, iv gotten the libcurl, curl and glew headers and installed MS Platform SDK and DirectX SDK. What should i edit inside VC7 to make these errors go away: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/66902 ? :)`
`19:15.18`	`ruskie`	`voldern, do you have sdl?`
`19:17.20`	`voldern`	`No, but that wasent recomended according to the README.`
`19:20.03`	`voldern`	`I think my only problem is that i aint linking to the DirectX SDK trough VC. But i dont know/remember how to do that. :)`
`19:20.10`	`blast007`	`voldern: probably just missing files in the project files`
`19:21.01`	`blast007`	`what version is this, and from where?`
`19:21.27`	`voldern`	`2.0.8 from bzflag.org`
`19:21.44`	`blast007`	`VC7 or VC7.1?`
`19:22.14`	`voldern`	`Hmm good question. What if i say .NET 2003?`
`19:22.55`	`blast007`	`I think that's the 7.1 version`
`19:23.03`	`blast007`	`let me grab the 2.0.8 code quick`
`19:23.07`	`blast007`	`I have 2003 too`
`19:23.16`	`voldern`	`http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.8.zip`
`19:24.13`	`blast007`	`you also won't need SDL for this`
`19:24.34`	`voldern`	`Ok :)`
`19:28.14`	`blast007`	`I'll see how my build goes`
`19:28.30`	`blast007`	`I haven't tried the 2.0.8 directly`
`19:28.34`	`blast007`	`I've been building from CVS`
`19:30.33`	`trepan`	`voldern: you sure you didn't pickup 2.1?`
`19:31.05`	`trepan`	`the HUDuiElement refs look suspicious (and the related source files would prolly need to be added to your build)`
`19:32.00`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, global login is completely broken in head.`
`19:32.34`	`voldern`	`trepan: Hmm im redownloading now, so il try and see if that helps.`
`19:32.35`	`ToughShooter`	`The server crashes with a bus error when first player joins`
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`19:34.58`	`blast007`	`"Build: 15 succeeded, 0 failed, 0 skipped"`
`19:39.35`	`blast007`	`hmm, yeah, HUDuiElement doesn't even exist in the 2.0.8 code`
`19:40.22`	`trepan`	`;)`
`19:40.27`	`voldern`	`:p`
`19:40.38`	`voldern`	`Looks like i got the wrong source, doh. ^^`
`19:40.50`	`voldern`	`Il just grab the cvs next time to be shure =)`
`19:43.12`	`trepan`	`~bz20cvs`
`19:43.14`	`ibot`	`cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag`
`19:43.33`	`voldern`	`Thanks guys!`
`19:51.30`	`blast007`	`:)`
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`20:17.41`	`voldern`	`Hmm i tried to download cvs source with "cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag" and compile but i got this errors: http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/66938`
`20:27.22`	`JeffM2501`	`do you need the CVS version? or are you just trying to build any version?`
`20:27.57`	`trepan`	`heh, looks like VC doesn't support variadic macros`
`20:28.26`	`trepan`	`voldern: in include/BZDBLocal.h , comment out the #define 's at the top`
`20:29.09`	`trepan`	`pity, variadic macros are handy`
`20:29.31`	`voldern`	`trepan: Ok, thanks`
`20:29.50`	`JeffM2501`	`it may support them in a difrent format`
`20:31.00`	`DTRemenak`	`7.1 does not. 8.0 does`
`20:31.11`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/include/BZDBLocal.h: make it build on the windows.`
`20:31.16`	`JeffM2501`	`7.1 is rather old now`
`20:31.23`	`JeffM2501`	`we'll be switching at work soon`
`20:31.24`	`trepan`	`static BZDBbool name("name", 2.0f).min(2.3f).max(2.4f).noSave()`
`20:31.47`	`trepan`	`heh, s/bool/float ;)`
`20:32.47`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: the 'new' VC supports them?`
`20:32.59`	`JeffM2501`	`acording to DTRemenak`
`20:33.12`	`JeffM2501`	`voldern, you may as well stop your build`
`20:33.15`	`JeffM2501`	`there will be other problems`
`20:33.34`	`voldern`	`Ok, il just download the source from sf.net then.`
`20:33.44`	`JeffM2501`	`if you want the stable one, then yes that is best`
`20:34.32`	`uso`	`voldern: or check it out from cvs with -r v2_0_8`
`20:34.50`	`voldern`	`uso: Il do`
`20:35.52`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah trepan the local manager thing dosn't build under VC71 at all`
`20:37.26`	`trepan`	`what other then the #defines fails?`
`20:37.30`	`JeffM2501`	`dosn't like like 391 in the BZDBLocal.cxx`
`20:37.49`	`JeffM2501`	`dosnt' liek BZDBLocalManger::BZDBLocalManager`
`20:38.13`	`trepan`	`whines about the destructor?`
`20:38.37`	`JeffM2501`	`no just dosn't know what it is`
`20:39.01`	`JeffM2501`	`get a syntax error`
`20:39.10`	`trepan`	`ah, my usual mistake there`
`20:39.21`	`JeffM2501`	`take out of the BZDBLocalManagers?`
`20:39.24`	`JeffM2501`	`since its' not a namespace`
`20:39.43`	`DTRemenak`	`trepan: yeah, 8.0 supports variadic macros. doesn't support the gnu ## operator if you were using it though.`
`20:39.49`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/common/BZDBLocal.cxx: class type already known`
`20:39.55`	`trepan`	`DTRemenak: na, i stuck to c99`
`20:40.14`	`DTRemenak`	`should be fine then`
`20:40.36`	`trepan`	`can't use it regardless...`
`20:40.45`	`Gnurdux`	`http://pastebin.ca/66955`
`20:41.15`	`JeffM2501`	`and hello to you too Gnurdux`
`20:41.33`	`DTRemenak`	`7.1 won't like it, and probably neither will MIPSpro or sunccw`
`20:42.15`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, that worked`
`20:42.45`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`20:42.51`	`CIA-6`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/common.vcproj: add the bzdblocal files`
`20:43.16`	`JeffM2501`	`when I swap to 8 maybe we can just do 8 only, since there is a free 8`
`20:43.32`	`blast007`	`JeffM2501: awww... :)`
`20:43.50`	`JeffM2501`	`blast007, your a student right?`
`20:43.51`	`DTRemenak`	`blast007: if you want to maintain it, you can keep it around :P`
`20:43.55`	`blast007`	`lol`
`20:44.01`	`blast007`	`I was waiting for that ;)`
`20:44.09`	`JeffM2501`	`full VC8 kit is like 18$ for students ;)`
`20:44.25`	`blast007`	`I can get it through MSDN at work too`
`20:44.28`	`DTRemenak`	`blast007: vc8 is much less of a problem, it actually mostly complies with the iso c++ standard...`
`20:44.47`	`JeffM2501`	`wonder if the resource editor sucks less`
`20:45.05`	`DTRemenak`	`uh...no. more like sucks more`
`20:45.22`	`DTRemenak`	`it's really bad`
`20:45.22`	`JeffM2501`	`what sucks more then a list of items?`
`20:45.33`	`ruskie`	`http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=201590`
`20:45.34`	`DTRemenak`	`fifteen lists of items?`
`20:45.35`	`ruskie`	`a great example of a troll`
`20:45.54`	`DTRemenak`	`it's slower too`
`20:46.00`	`JeffM2501`	`:(`
`20:46.11`	`DTRemenak`	`imbedded resources are cool though`
`20:46.20`	`DTRemenak`	`don't really need the resource editor at all for new projects`
`20:46.22`	`JeffM2501`	`well then mayber that will get us to purchace one of the good 3rd party ones ;)`
`20:46.27`	`DTRemenak`	`hehe :)`
`20:46.48`	`JeffM2501`	`we do a lot of dialog work`
`20:47.03`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, that part might not suck as much, I dunno. haven't worked with it`
`20:47.33`	`DTRemenak`	`strings/icons/menus is all worse imho`
`20:47.46`	`JeffM2501`	`those are editied a lot less often`
`20:48.00`	`JeffM2501`	`and we'll probably be puting strings into a database`
`20:48.06`	`JeffM2501`	`and doing our own string management`
`20:48.07`	`DTRemenak`	`that's really the way to go`
`20:48.10`	`JeffM2501`	`for localisation`
`20:48.27`	`JeffM2501`	`then we can just send out an access db for translation`
`20:49.04`	`JeffM2501`	`time to hit up the borders :)`
`20:49.13`	`DTRemenak`	`heh :)`
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`21:53.54`	`Soraya1`	`said someone was already using my nick....`
`21:54.28`	`Soraya1`	`boo! anyone there?!`
`21:54.44`	`Soraya1`	`ok bye`
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`22:06.19`	`[NP]Tangent`	`woot`
`22:06.26`	`[NP]Tangent`	`got a shell account for a bzflag server`
`22:28.45`	`A_Meteorite`	`[NP]Tangent: what sort of connection is it?`
`22:28.58`	`A_Meteorite`	`or even better yet... (PM me) where could one get one?`
`22:33.34`	`A_Meteorite`	`Must be a secret. ;)`
`22:34.00`	`blast007`	`server is probably on 56k ;)`
`22:34.21`	`blast007`	`-public "LagFest - 1vs1"`
`22:35.35`	`L4m3r`	`lol`
`22:35.43`	`L4m3r`	`-publicaddr 127.0.0.1`
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`23:08.31`	`wegstar`	`I think I'm close... I tried grabbing all the object files in src/bzfs and putting them in a bzfs.lib...`
`23:08.43`	`wegstar`	`now there`
`23:08.46`	`wegstar`	`'s`
`23:09.18`	`wegstar`	`just some undefined references to bzAPIstring, debugMessage,getPlayer, registerEvent... and that's about it..`
`23:10.10`	`wegstar`	`am I heading in the right direction?`
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`23:17.07`	`[NP]Tangent`	`A_Meteorite, dunno the connection`
`23:17.11`	`[NP]Tangent`	`the server's in Aus though`
`23:28.51`	`[NP]Tangent`	`Alright`
`23:28.54`	`[NP]Tangent`	`updates on my map`
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`23:29.12`	`[NP]Tangent`	`currently replacing the two bunkers with huge fortress things`
`23:29.20`	`[NP]Tangent`	`that will be used for CTF`
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`23:39.29`	`l_r`	`hello`
`23:39.34`	`l_r`	`i have a problem`
`23:39.46`	`l_r`	`bzflag exits with the following errors`
`23:40.00`	`l_r`	`X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)`
`23:40.00`	`l_r`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:40.00`	`l_r`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:40.00`	`l_r`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:40.00`	`l_r`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:40.01`	`l_r`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:40.59`	`A_Meteorite`	`l_r: I could be wrong (very likely) but maybe it can't go full-screen?`
`23:41.04`	`A_Meteorite`	`Try -window for kicks. ;)`
`23:41.18`	`l_r`	`ok let me see`
`23:41.54`	`l_r`	`it works in window mode`
`23:41.56`	`trepan`	`the "options -> display -> change video mode" (you prolly can go fullscreen)`
`23:42.00`	`trepan`	`s/the/then`
`23:42.16`	`l_r`	`ok..but it used to work without problems in full screen`
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