| 00:00.10 | JeffM2501 | the bigest problem with the gui is the design not the techincal aspects of it |
| 00:00.31 | DTRemenak | yeah |
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| 00:28.37 | CBG | ~L4m3r++ |
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| 01:00.17 | TheRedBaron | ~l4m3r++ |
| 01:00.25 | L4m3r | hehe |
| 01:00.27 | TheRedBaron | You're the best |
| 01:00.42 | L4m3r | ~karma |
| 01:00.42 | ibot | l4m3r has karma of 4 |
| 01:00.48 | L4m3r | ^_^ |
| 01:01.29 | TheRedBaron | I did send you a Pm :) |
| 01:01.42 | L4m3r | yes, how do I do that exactly? which param is it? |
| 01:01.47 | KyleH | ~TheRedBaron++ |
| 01:01.49 | L4m3r | (never played with that before) |
| 01:01.57 | TheRedBaron | let me see |
| 01:03.04 | TheRedBaron | -time 1200 |
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| 01:03.14 | TheRedBaron | -timemanual |
| 01:03.26 | L4m3r | ok... |
| 01:04.23 | L4m3r | what happens when it times out? |
| 01:04.40 | L4m3r | (do I need to write a script to restart the server?) |
| 01:04.59 | TheRedBaron | hrm |
| 01:05.11 | TheRedBaron | usually /gameover ends the round |
| 01:05.15 | TheRedBaron | but doesn't shut down the server |
| 01:05.29 | L4m3r | let me try with a ten-second timer and see |
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| 01:38.33 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (7 files in 2 dirs): simple HUDuiFrame implementation |
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| 01:51.17 | L4m3r | TheRedBaron: come back :P |
| 01:55.09 | a-delusionbz | _angleTolerance doesn't have anything to do with GM, true or false? |
| 01:55.47 | L4m3r | and... how does one use global auth on an unlisted server? |
| 01:57.17 | I_Died_Once | do everything like normal but don't use the -public command |
| 01:57.45 | L4m3r | I did that... |
| 01:57.45 | a-delusionbz | yeah, that works |
| 01:57.56 | L4m3r | well, I left off -publicaddr too... does that make a difference? |
| 01:58.00 | I_Died_Once | it'll authenticate like normal, just wont list on the list server |
| 01:58.06 | I_Died_Once | shouldn't |
| 01:58.19 | L4m3r | yeah, no auth... |
| 01:58.21 | I_Died_Once | but bzfs can be a whiny little girl like that, though |
| 01:58.26 | L4m3r | I could just advertise to hide it |
| 01:58.30 | blast007 | you have to use -advertise |
| 01:58.44 | blast007 | it has to be on the list in one way or another to use auth |
| 01:59.05 | blast007 | I belive anyway |
| 01:59.18 | TheRedBaron | blast007: you can't just use a group that has Everyone: requireidentify ? |
| 01:59.23 | TheRedBaron | err |
| 01:59.27 | TheRedBaron | not everyone |
| 01:59.27 | TheRedBaron | but |
| 01:59.31 | TheRedBaron | verified |
| 01:59.35 | I_Died_Once | ive done it before, use everything except the -public line |
| 01:59.47 | blast007 | I_Died_Once: and global auth still works? |
| 01:59.57 | TheRedBaron | I_Died_Once: I thought thats how it was supposed to work |
| 02:00.00 | I_Died_Once | it did when i last needed to do that |
| 02:00.44 | I_Died_Once | let me know if what i said worked or not |
| 02:00.45 | TheRedBaron | orchid: ping |
| 02:00.51 | L4m3r | I'll just use -advertise, no harm done |
| 02:00.53 | TheRedBaron | she would know |
| 02:01.10 | I_Died_Once | I_Died_Once using my name in a entence makes theline red for me |
| 02:01.35 | blast007 | L4m3r: have you tried it without -public? |
| 02:01.39 | I_Died_Once | -advertise mofo.cop |
| 02:01.50 | L4m3r | without public publicaddr, no auth |
| 02:02.02 | blast007 | k, that's what I thought it would do |
| 02:02.20 | blast007 | not that it couldn't do auth, I just don't think that bzfs tries |
| 02:02.20 | I_Died_Once | must've changed, caused I've done it before |
| 02:02.28 | I_Died_Once | then again, i might have been on the list and not known it either |
| 02:03.02 | blast007 | cuz a non-public server might be LAN only, so it avoids waiting for communication with the list |
| 02:03.24 | a-delusionbz | i see... |
| 02:03.28 | a-delusionbz | _angleTolerance doesn't have anything to do with GM, true or false? |
| 02:04.06 | blast007 | a-delusionbz: let me see what reference to that I can find in the code |
| 02:05.11 | blast007 | seems to deal with Dead Reckoning |
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| 02:05.38 | a-delusionbz | i know what that is, i think |
| 02:06.03 | SC-phone | ~sushi brlcad |
| 02:06.04 | ibot | ACTION fishes madly all day long & brings the very best back, filets it carefully and serves brlcad the best, freshest sushi ever |
| 02:06.04 | L4m3r | I think I may have figured out why bzfs sometimes incorrectly assumes someone is trying to capture a flag while not at their base |
| 02:07.05 | L4m3r | it seems that it judges it by tank position without factoring in the tank's dimensions... |
| 02:07.37 | L4m3r | so if you cap at the edge of the base, you get that message in the terminal. Every cap on this server we're testing (no jumping) is doing it. |
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| 02:15.13 | Matt123 | hi |
| 02:15.32 | SC-phone | hi |
| 02:21.45 | TheRedBaron | Jeffm2501: Would you create a group called "Og-style.Players" with 0tto as the moderator? |
| 02:22.07 | tokimi | rofl |
| 02:35.23 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, put it in the requests thread |
| 02:36.22 | TheRedBaron | will do then |
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| 02:54.23 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, also the moderator needs to make the request |
| 02:54.37 | JeffM2501 | no 3rd party groups |
| 02:57.43 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: I am the moderator |
| 02:57.47 | TheRedBaron | I own the callsign 0tto |
| 02:59.10 | JeffM2501 | then post it as 0tto ;) |
| 02:59.46 | JeffM2501 | it's how I make sure it's realy your acct |
| 03:00.33 | TheRedBaron | ok :) |
| 03:01.40 | TheRedBaron | done :) |
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| 03:38.49 | cosmos | jeff in the market for a new car? http://losangeles.craigslist.org/car/165403166.html |
| 03:44.33 | captrespect | look at all that rice |
| 03:47.40 | cosmos | unbelievable huh capt |
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| 04:06.35 | SportChick | is m.b.o down? |
| 04:10.57 | blast007 | SportChick: works for me |
| 04:12.26 | blast007 | might have been temporary |
| 04:16.22 | TheRedBaron | idle kick |
| 04:16.27 | L4m3r | yup. |
| 04:16.36 | L4m3r | "Driving with Leader Logger" |
| 04:16.53 | TheRedBaron | heh |
| 04:17.48 | TheRedBaron | I think back to turkey moongroup |
| 04:17.59 | TheRedBaron | and perhaps my memory is selective |
| 04:18.20 | TheRedBaron | there wasn't a need for shot limits there |
| 04:18.23 | TheRedBaron | and GM was plenty |
| 04:18.51 | L4m3r | were there bad flags? |
| 04:18.54 | TheRedBaron | ah nvm |
| 04:18.58 | TheRedBaron | yes |
| 04:19.03 | L4m3r | how long? |
| 04:19.04 | TheRedBaron | but they had flag balance, |
| 04:19.11 | TheRedBaron | that detail i don't remember |
| 04:19.24 | TheRedBaron | plenty of ST's to go around |
| 04:19.36 | L4m3r | See, flag balance is one thing, but a determined shopper can always throw that off |
| 04:19.56 | TheRedBaron | explain |
| 04:20.28 | L4m3r | once the one-trick pony perfects that one trick, countermeasures become less effective |
| 04:20.40 | TheRedBaron | I see flag balance, as having enough counter flags available to take out the guy with the super-flag |
| 04:21.08 | TheRedBaron | having to one-up your opponent |
| 04:21.33 | L4m3r | yeah, but players eventually learn how to outdo the counterflags |
| 04:21.45 | L4m3r | stealth only works easily on someone who's stupid |
| 04:22.49 | L4m3r | I try to force players to use multiple tactics and rely more on general skill, instead of flags |
| 04:23.22 | L4m3r | You can get your laser out of sheer luck, and hold it for a while if you're good, but you're not going to get by on it |
| 04:24.56 | L4m3r | I like kill limits because the mentality is different. Instead of being stingy about your shots, you feel the need to kill as many tanks as you can before someone knocks you off your perch |
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| 04:29.47 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (5 files): |
| 04:29.47 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - improve the /bind command (for display and unbinding) |
| 04:29.47 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - make the "time" bindable command accept a stepping value |
| 04:29.47 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: - fix a whack of shadowed variables (the easy way) |
| 04:29.56 | trepan | DTRemenak: sry 'bout the long names, twas the safest way for me to do it... |
| 04:41.36 | TheRedBaron | hrm |
| 04:47.30 | a-delusion | quoting l4m3r "You can get your laser out of sheer luck" |
| 04:47.44 | a-delusion | it's the sheer luck, i'd like to do away with |
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| 04:53.52 | a-delusion | I don't see any reason flags should be random in the first place |
| 04:56.15 | captrespect | that's cause your a-delusional |
| 04:57.59 | a-delusion | exactly |
| 04:59.17 | JeffM2501 | do weapon spawns |
| 04:59.22 | JeffM2501 | and then a rocket launcher |
| 05:47.35 | BenUrban | trepan: how many variables in a whack? |
| 05:48.10 | BenUrban | ju8st curious |
| 05:55.49 | trepan | still wanna be a jester, heh? |
| 05:57.13 | L4m3r | I believe that five make a whack, and five whacks make a whomp.... :P |
| 05:57.31 | L4m3r | Count your fingers- you've got two whacks of them |
| 05:58.20 | trepan | an authoratative answer from a professional whacker, can't ask for more then that |
| 05:58.42 | L4m3r | :D |
| 05:58.47 | DTRemenak | ... |
| 05:59.11 | L4m3r | I specialize in paddy whacking, but that does entail general knowledge |
| 05:59.36 | trepan | sell knick knacks too? |
| 05:59.47 | DTRemenak | trepan: no prob with long names. I was trying to avoid shadowing anything, I wish VC had warnings for it. |
| 06:02.11 | trepan | ya, gcc misses some of VC's as well, it's all a pita |
| 06:02.32 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 06:03.44 | trepan | definitely think shadow warnings are worthwhile, nasty buggers to spot sometimes |
| 06:04.42 | DTRemenak | yeah, usually not a problem, but when they are they're killer to track down |
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| 10:45.32 | ruskie | lo |
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| 11:19.17 | I_Died_Once | How do you, via an ssh server, run a program (bzfs) and make it to where if my local machine goes offline, the server still runs? |
| 11:22.51 | [dmp] | nohup or screen can do that |
| 11:34.57 | Manu | I_Died_Once: the simplest way is: bzfs & |
| 11:39.37 | [dmp] | Manu: wont it get killed when bzfs parent (the shell) is terminated, when he disconnects? |
| 11:41.29 | brlcad | depends on the shell/environment/OS configuration |
| 11:44.13 | Manu | [dmp]: no, at last in linux and using bash |
| 11:44.25 | Manu | and iirc I_Died_Once uses linux |
| 11:44.31 | I_Died_Once | yeah, suse linux |
| 11:44.36 | Manu | :) |
| 11:44.56 | I_Died_Once | but when I execute a server, my command goes on something like... |
| 11:45.18 | I_Died_Once | ./bzfs -conf -4team.conf | tee -a 4team.log |
| 11:45.42 | I_Died_Once | how would i modify that? |
| 11:46.03 | I_Died_Once | my connection at home craps out from time to time, and i dont want my servers going offline |
| 11:46.21 | I_Died_Once | servers I run via an ssh service |
| 11:46.32 | orchid | I would use screen if it's installed on the remote host |
| 11:47.19 | Manu | orchid: really don't need screen to run bzfs. Keep in mind bzfs runs and have no user interaction |
| 11:47.35 | Manu | I_Died_Once: try to add & at the end of your command line |
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| 11:50.06 | Manu | I_Died_Once: ./bzfs -conf -4team.conf | tee -a 4team.log |
| 11:50.18 | Manu | I_Died_Once: err ./bzfs -conf -4team.conf | tee -a 4team.log & |
| 11:50.52 | I_Died_Once | gotcha |
| 11:50.58 | Manu | :) |
| 11:51.41 | I_Died_Once | my ISP starts screwing up sometimes in the evenings, and I had players on "Exodus" when it did |
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| 12:14.40 | brlcad | ibot: ( 6 / 7000 * 100 ) |
| 12:14.41 | ibot | 0.085714285714 |
| 12:15.22 | orchid | heh |
| 12:15.42 | Manu | \q ibot 2*3 |
| 12:15.50 | Manu | heh |
| 12:16.35 | Manu | ibot: 2**3 |
| 12:16.36 | ibot | 8 |
| 12:16.43 | Manu | ibot: 2**0.5 |
| 12:16.45 | ibot | 1.414213562373 |
| 12:16.48 | Manu | :) |
| 12:17.18 | Manu | ibot: 0/0 |
| 12:17.19 | ibot | it has been said that 0/0 is an undefined form (equivalent to solving 0x = 0) |
| 12:17.40 | Manu | not bacd |
| 12:17.42 | Manu | bad |
| 12:25.22 | brlcad | ibot: 1+2 |
| 12:25.24 | ibot | 4 |
| 12:25.26 | brlcad | :) |
| 12:25.47 | Manu | heh |
| 12:27.16 | Birdie | ibot: 1+1 |
| 12:27.23 | ibot | 1+1 is probably 3 for large values of 1 |
| 12:28.16 | Manu | ibot: Birdie+1 |
| 12:28.23 | Manu | :D |
| 12:30.22 | Birdie | :) |
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| 12:53.15 | Gnurdux | yay no jeff |
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| 12:55.33 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 12:55.36 | Gnurdux | sorry |
| 12:55.59 | Gnurdux | i found yet another bug in the API; any reason to report it? |
| 12:56.49 | larsl | Any reason not to? |
| 12:57.27 | Gnurdux | not really |
| 12:58.19 | Gnurdux | larsl, can you just commit the fix for me? |
| 12:58.29 | Gnurdux | wait |
| 12:58.34 | Gnurdux | im not sure if i fixed correctly |
| 12:58.56 | brlcad | why don't you sort all of that out *before* you starting asking people to do stuff |
| 12:59.13 | larsl | I haven't touched any of the code in years, I'd rather not commit anything. |
| 13:04.07 | Gnurdux | fixed |
| 13:05.50 | Gnurdux | brlcad, the problem is that bzeteamtype is off.... observers is put after rabbit and hunter, when it should be before them, and hunter needs to be a special case in the sendtextmessage team thing |
| 13:06.40 | Gnurdux | so sending messages to obs doesnt work.... |
| 13:06.52 | Gnurdux | the hunter thing isnt important |
| 13:07.04 | Gnurdux | gah ill make up a patch :( |
| 13:08.36 | brlcad | good idea |
| 13:21.25 | Gnurdux | brlcad, do you know anything about the API? |
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| 15:46.50 | Mr_Molez | Birdie: |
| 15:46.52 | Mr_Molez | 5157 |
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| 15:47.50 | Birdie | why |
| 15:47.59 | Mr_Molez | either come or everyone is going to leave |
| 15:48.24 | Birdie | like one person will make the difference:) |
| 15:48.50 | Mr_Molez | teamkiller :| |
| 15:49.12 | Birdie | oh |
| 15:49.36 | Mr_Molez | too late |
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| 15:55.08 | Mr_Molez | Birdie: thnx |
| 15:56.24 | Birdie | np |
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| 18:28.11 | JeffM2501 | mmm terrain detail textures :) |
| 18:30.50 | TheRedBaron | menotume: ping |
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| 18:32.18 | JeffM2501 | http://marathon.gibbscam.com/~jeffm/images/screenshots/terrain.png |
| 18:32.28 | orchid | TheRedBaron: you pinged yesterday? |
| 18:32.43 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: and what the heck is that for? |
| 18:32.59 | JeffM2501 | terrain :) |
| 18:33.05 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 18:33.12 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: any idea, on when you will create that group I asked about? I'm going out of town this week, and if need be I'll leave some one to set it up once its created |
| 18:33.21 | JeffM2501 | probalby tonight |
| 18:33.31 | TheRedBaron | orchid: we were wondering how to set up a private server, but still utilize global login |
| 18:33.35 | JeffM2501 | actualy I can do it now |
| 18:33.39 | JeffM2501 | gimme a sec |
| 18:34.10 | TheRedBaron | Thanks a million! |
| 18:35.00 | orchid | TheRedBaron: do you need to see the group.db stuff I have? |
| 18:35.32 | TheRedBaron | not really |
| 18:35.39 | TheRedBaron | I think we ended up using -advertise none |
| 18:35.46 | TheRedBaron | per catay's advice |
| 18:35.51 | JeffM2501 | done |
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| 18:39.48 | TheRedBaron | pretty terrain! |
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| 18:44.40 | TheRedBaron | ~jeffm2501++ |
| 18:44.49 | TheRedBaron | l4m3r: brb |
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| 19:04.02 | orchid | JeffM2501: didn't the forum have a "test" section to, er, test post |
| 19:04.42 | JeffM2501 | it used to |
| 19:04.46 | orchid | ok |
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| 19:52.01 | TheRedBaron | ~L4m3r++ |
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| 20:40.28 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, why does vocaliser say no voices loaded with default config file |
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| 20:40.50 | JeffM2501 | probably cus the default config isn't correct |
| 20:41.00 | Gnurdux | WHAT? |
| 20:41.19 | JeffM2501 | you didn't understand that statement? |
| 20:41.20 | Gnurdux | that doesnt make any sense |
| 20:41.28 | JeffM2501 | why not? |
| 20:41.29 | Gnurdux | you never tested default config? |
| 20:41.37 | JeffM2501 | I never said that |
| 20:41.45 | JeffM2501 | you assume too much |
| 20:42.12 | JeffM2501 | 1) you assume it was ever finished |
| 20:42.12 | Gnurdux | then why doesnt it work? |
| 20:42.25 | JeffM2501 | 2) you assume that the config is current to the code |
| 20:42.31 | JeffM2501 | because it dosn't |
| 20:42.37 | JeffM2501 | it's BUSTED |
| 20:42.47 | DTRemenak | vocaliser never worked right |
| 20:42.51 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 20:43.00 | JeffM2501 | it's not a finalised plugin |
| 20:43.02 | JeffM2501 | it was a test |
| 20:43.04 | JeffM2501 | it didn't work |
| 20:43.19 | DTRemenak | it tended to crash things nicely |
| 20:43.25 | DTRemenak | but didn't do much more than that |
| 20:43.37 | JeffM2501 | it wasted some CPU and disk space |
| 20:43.40 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.51 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, there is a REASON the plugin was removed from cvs head |
| 20:43.51 | Gnurdux | i think thats kinda wrong |
| 20:43.58 | Gnurdux | ok... |
| 20:43.58 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, when will you read |
| 20:44.02 | JeffM2501 | it's ALL wrong |
| 20:44.06 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:44.43 | JeffM2501 | are you systematicly making your way thru all the plugins to ask retorical questions on the way they work? |
| 20:44.59 | DTRemenak | heh, they're not rhetorical if he expects an answer |
| 20:45.02 | Gnurdux | no, Mr_Molez wants vocaliser |
| 20:45.15 | DTRemenak | it doesn't work, he can't have it :P |
| 20:45.18 | Gnurdux | but he's smart enough not to annoy you |
| 20:45.22 | JeffM2501 | or you can write your own for him |
| 20:45.28 | JeffM2501 | the plugin is dead |
| 20:45.36 | JeffM2501 | he also wants to kill the game |
| 20:45.41 | JeffM2501 | did I give him that too? |
| 20:45.51 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:46.19 | JeffM2501 | mmmm somewhat real scripting language tied into a real networking system :) |
| 20:46.43 | DTRemenak | torque? |
| 20:46.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:46.49 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 20:46.51 | JeffM2501 | parts of this thing are realy slick |
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| 20:47.19 | JeffM2501 | server scripts can just call an arbitray client function, and the net system will handle geting it over |
| 20:47.30 | DTRemenak | sweet |
| 20:48.14 | JeffM2501 | commandToClient(%client, 'ShowVictory', %client.score); on the server just calls, function clientCmdShowVictory(%score) on the client |
| 20:48.23 | JeffM2501 | and no other code is needed to register it |
| 20:49.12 | JeffM2501 | and I have full source for the engine |
| 20:53.07 | CBG | ~beer TheRedBaron |
| 20:53.11 | ibot | ACTION deftly decants a fine Franziskaner Hefeweizen for TheRedBaron |
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| 20:57.11 | PuMpErNiCkEl | ~beer me |
| 20:57.12 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a excellent La Maudite for pumpernickel |
| 20:57.18 | PuMpErNiCkEl | aw man |
| 20:57.26 | PuMpErNiCkEl | That stuff is horrible. :-( |
| 21:02.00 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, the worst phrase in the docs..."For PlatformWin32 this can include loading a DLL that converts OpenGL calls to Direct3D (OpenGL2D3D.DLL)." |
| 21:04.26 | CBG | TheRedBaron: cbg.is-a-geek.org:5124 :P |
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| 21:57.00 | SC-phone | ~dtremenak++ |
| 22:00.01 | L4m3r | Seems like the latest trend is list whoring with 5+ bots... |
| 22:00.19 | Mr_Molez | atleast their server gets on the list |
| 22:00.46 | L4m3r | I wonder if the tweak that Jeff used for observers can be applied to -solo bots |
| 22:00.49 | Mr_Molez | mine doesnt even show on the list as having players after 5 mins |
| 22:00.59 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, what tweak? |
| 22:01.23 | L4m3r | the list is rigged in such a way that observers don't count as a whole player |
| 22:01.36 | Gnurdux | they almost do |
| 22:01.40 | L4m3r | so a server with one tank would be higher on the list than a server with two observers |
| 22:01.51 | L4m3r | I think |
| 22:01.57 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, yes |
| 22:02.01 | Gnurdux | thats correct |
| 22:02.18 | Gnurdux | but in number of players, they count whole |
| 22:02.22 | L4m3r | same thing should be done for -solo bots if it's possible, IMP|I |
| 22:02.26 | L4m3r | IMO* |
| 22:02.32 | Gnurdux | and that should be fixed |
| 22:02.38 | L4m3r | yes, but the ordering is done differently |
| 22:02.56 | Gnurdux | true |
| 22:02.56 | L4m3r | the player display you see doesn't matter as much because you see the number on each team |
| 22:03.03 | L4m3r | including observers |
| 22:03.20 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 22:03.22 | Gnurdux | but its wierd |
| 22:03.24 | Gnurdux | and annoying |
| 22:03.28 | Gnurdux | like when it says 22/20 |
| 22:03.34 | L4m3r | only annoying if you're list whoring |
| 22:03.40 | L4m3r | and it's always done 22/20 |
| 22:10.17 | DTRemenak | bots aren't assigned to a specific team, so the client can't tweak the ordering the same way |
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| 22:15.08 | L4m3r | oh, the cient does the ordering? damn |
| 22:15.11 | L4m3r | client* |
| 22:15.55 | Pimpi | but the server knows about bot players, no? |
| 22:16.05 | L4m3r | maybe for 2.1 someone should quietly tweak bzfs to not report bot players to the list server... |
| 22:17.54 | DTRemenak | L4m3r: then it could easily be tweaked back by whoever was trying to bump their server up |
| 22:18.28 | L4m3r | yes, but how many of the retards who use bots for that purpose will be skilled enough to do that? :P |
| 22:18.50 | Pimpi | if you have knowledge tweak the server he doesn?t need bots to do the job |
| 22:19.22 | Pimpi | man.... |
| 22:19.41 | Pimpi | i should sleep too.... |
| 22:19.48 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:19.51 | Pimpi | nite |
| 22:19.58 | L4m3r | cya |
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| 23:02.09 | brad | what does /flag up do? |
| 23:02.20 | brad | it just seems to reset the flags |
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| 23:09.30 | Gnurdux | i think it makes them take longer to respanw |
| 23:09.38 | brain0 | hey. where can I find the documentation for all those nice bzfs server settings? |
| 23:12.39 | brain0 | ah, just found something |
| 23:12.43 | brain0 | hope it's complete |
| 23:12.52 | Gnurdux | man pages |
| 23:14.49 | brain0 | no, the variables are not in the manpage |
| 23:15.13 | brain0 | just found a wiki page that explains some of them |
| 23:15.30 | brain0 | _coldetDepth, _coldetElements what are they? |
| 23:16.20 | Gnurdux | dunno |
| 23:16.25 | Gnurdux | look at the source |
| 23:16.58 | brain0 | and you think I will understand it when I find them in the source? |
| 23:17.02 | orchid | isnt that what JeffM2501 tells you to do Gnurdux ? |
| 23:17.10 | brain0 | as I am so familiar with opengl |
| 23:17.23 | Gnurdux | orchid, yes, im just passing the method on |
| 23:17.28 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 23:17.28 | JeffM2501 | ohh the irony! |
| 23:17.35 | Gnurdux | *message |
| 23:18.19 | trepan | brain0: hint: they have nothing to do with OpenGL |
| 23:19.02 | Gnurdux | orchid, collision detection stuff |
| 23:19.23 | brain0 | I would still have to understand the source, but I will try unless I will find my answer somewhere else |
| 23:19.24 | Gnurdux | whoops brain0 i mean |
| 23:19.28 | Gnurdux | collision detection stuff |
| 23:19.29 | brain0 | just reading the rest first |
| 23:19.35 | Gnurdux | col prolly stands for collision |
| 23:19.46 | brain0 | ah, ok |
| 23:19.52 | brain0 | so not too interesting to play with |
| 23:19.58 | Gnurdux | brain0, i found with a grep |
| 23:20.18 | brain0 | grep where? |
| 23:20.20 | Gnurdux | they might be, but will most likely screw everything up if you change them wihtout knowing exactly what they do |
| 23:20.26 | Gnurdux | brain0, the source |
| 23:20.33 | Gnurdux | grep coldet bzflag/ -Ri | less |
| 23:20.38 | brain0 | I'd have to download that first :) |
| 23:21.03 | brain0 | I played with those _rain* settings, but it didn't really rain |
| 23:21.17 | Gnurdux | you need to set _rainType to rain |
| 23:21.45 | brain0 | ya, I just guessed values, might be the reason why it didn't work |
| 23:21.58 | Gnurdux | brain0, ColDet == Collision Detection |
| 23:22.58 | brain0 | you can put the whole map into one huge shockwave bubble |
| 23:23.00 | brain0 | that looks crazy |
| 23:23.23 | Gnurdux | heh ya |
| 23:23.53 | brain0 | gravity and wings settings are also fun |
| 23:23.53 | Gnurdux | brain0, i think depth is like how far "deep" the collision detection goes; ie how accurate |
| 23:24.33 | brain0 | there is no setting though to make a wing-match or a phantom match |
| 23:24.57 | brain0 | phantom zone match would be cool - teleporters work as zoners for everyone (not depending on the flag) |
| 23:25.21 | Gnurdux | brain0, you could autoassign people PZ |
| 23:25.41 | brain0 | but they couldn't take other flags then |
| 23:25.49 | brain0 | or could they? |
| 23:25.54 | Gnurdux | nopew |
| 23:26.02 | brain0 | how can I autoassign flags? |
| 23:26.07 | Gnurdux | it will likely never be possible to have stuff like that in base tanks |
| 23:26.13 | Gnurdux | brain0, make a plugin |
| 23:26.40 | brain0 | I'd have to understand bzflag first, that takes time |
| 23:26.48 | brain0 | too much time |
| 23:26.56 | brain0 | besides, who would want to play a zoned match |
| 23:27.23 | Gnurdux | well brain0 there is something awesome |
| 23:27.30 | Gnurdux | a plugin made by L4m3r |
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| 23:27.34 | Gnurdux | that screws with PZ |
| 23:27.43 | brain0 | do you have a link? |
| 23:27.47 | Gnurdux | its on 3rd page of server list |
| 23:27.54 | Gnurdux | Zombie GameMode |
| 23:28.01 | Gnurdux | here go on |
| 23:28.05 | Gnurdux | and read the server message |
| 23:28.46 | Gnurdux | brain0, |
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| 23:29.24 | Gnurdux | heh brain0 L4m31 is the one who made the plugin |
| 23:29.41 | L4m31 | which? |
| 23:29.46 | Gnurdux | zombie |
| 23:29.51 | L4m31 | ah |
| 23:29.56 | L4m31 | Tropican8's idea |
| 23:31.26 | brain0 | so if you shoot someone zoned, he dies? |
| 23:31.43 | brad | depends what flag you have |
| 23:31.54 | brad | sb and sw can kill zoned tanks |
| 23:31.58 | brad | aswell as other zoned tanks |
| 23:32.07 | brain0 | we were talking about that crazy mod |
| 23:32.24 | brad | ahh lol shoulda read up :p |
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| 23:40.53 | Gnurdux | brain0, i made a plugin that makes zoned shots into superbullets, so that PZ is like a killer flag |
| 23:55.06 | brain0 | makes more sense that way |
