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| 01:21.45 | brlcad | ~menotume++ |
| 01:21.55 | menotume | ~brlcad++ |
| 01:21.58 | menotume | :P |
| 01:22.29 | brlcad | i wouldn't have thought to try that without your testing |
| 01:22.36 | brlcad | that test script is useful :) |
| 01:22.58 | menotume | i should'a thought of it before, simple enough :) |
| 01:25.22 | brlcad | how many folks are listening right now? :) |
| 01:26.30 | brlcad | can you hit up http://my.bzflag.org/ a few times? |
| 01:28.07 | brlcad | still probably need to tweak the settings to optimize cpu usage, but I think the performance problem has been figured out |
| 01:28.16 | brlcad | order of magnitude more responsive now |
| 01:28.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's better then this morning |
| 01:28.59 | brlcad | meno wrote a script that showed how long requests were taking |
| 01:29.05 | JeffM2501 | ahh cool |
| 01:29.09 | JeffM2501 | let you narrow it down? |
| 01:29.31 | brlcad | they were between .8s and upwards of 3-5 s (averaging around 1.5 or so) |
| 01:29.55 | brlcad | well it gave me something to try, after he ruled out mod_security, mysql, and php |
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| 01:30.41 | brlcad | now the response times are down to about .1 s consistently |
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| 01:42.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/ (12 files in 2 dirs): |
| 01:42.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: don't use #defs for sound IDs let them be variables so they can be defined at run |
| 01:42.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: time. |
| 01:42.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: merge standard sounds and "Custom" sounds. |
| 01:42.10 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: redo sound backend to have more then one sound system ( "meda" and "others" ) |
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| 01:48.09 | brlcad | (also, we don't have project cloaks in use here for the most part ;) |
| 01:48.25 | codergeek42 | For the awesome game of course, brlcad :) |
| 01:48.26 | codergeek42 | Oh ok :) |
| 01:55.50 | wizart | yay. a new release. And a match recording plugin! Thank you very much all! |
| 01:55.58 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (sound.cxx soundSystems.cxx): == != ! |
| 01:56.11 | JeffM2501 | that's the plugin that should not be :) |
| 01:57.13 | Mr_Molez | wizart: dont get too happy about the match record plugin,, it only records 1 match 2 if ur lucky then dies |
| 01:58.08 | wizart | oh. Does it record on the server or on the client or as a client? |
| 01:58.20 | Mr_Molez | the server records it |
| 01:59.40 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03bryjen 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/sound.cxx: that's a comment |
| 02:00.48 | JeffM2501 | it is indded |
| 02:01.04 | bryjen | audioInnerLoop() supposed to be static? |
| 02:01.15 | JeffM2501 | tho I don't see "you people" using that define |
| 02:01.38 | JeffM2501 | it was in the old code I thought |
| 02:05.14 | JeffM2501 | it's mostly a repackage of the old stuff |
| 02:06.00 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03bryjen 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/soundSystems.cxx: need this here too |
| 02:16.31 | bryjen | wacky panel alpha, and no HUD http://bryjen.bzflag.org/bzfi0002.png |
| 02:19.47 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah |
| 02:19.50 | JeffM2501 | it's all busted :) |
| 02:19.59 | JeffM2501 | not fixing it cus I'm gonna rip it in a bit :) |
| 02:20.01 | Mr_Molez | ~bzcvs |
| 02:20.02 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 02:27.41 | brlcad | wierd, radar alpha works |
| 02:28.00 | brlcad | maybe radar isn't closing a state correctly, missing glEnd or something |
| 02:29.08 | wizart | btw. you can commit files to sourfeforge cvs currently right? |
| 02:29.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:30.02 | JeffM2501 | full comits for devs |
| 02:30.06 | JeffM2501 | and 2 hour anon sync |
| 02:31.54 | wizart | ok. because on another project we couldn't check in over the weekend. So it seams to be a project specific problem which will not disappear by itself :/ |
| 02:32.14 | JeffM2501 | there are now 10 servers |
| 02:32.22 | JeffM2501 | so each one may have come back at it's own time |
| 02:34.21 | wizart | ah. ok. Thanks. I've new hope :) |
| 03:41.23 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 03:49.24 | brlcad | done messing with the list server in case anyone noticed wonkiness |
| 03:50.00 | brlcad | was seeing what loads make it fall apart, how many simultaneous users |
| 03:50.13 | brlcad | hence the delays on and off |
| 03:50.29 | SportChick | oh, is that why it's been so bad the last couple of days? |
| 03:50.41 | brlcad | no |
| 03:50.50 | brlcad | that's why it would have been so bad over the past 10 minutes |
| 03:51.38 | brlcad | menotume and I took a good hack at isolating the performance problems over the past couple days just this evening |
| 03:52.04 | brlcad | SportChick: a change to the configuration was made, it should be considerably more responsive now both to bzbb and in the game |
| 03:52.33 | brlcad | (and it's even getting slammed by googlebot right now) |
| 03:52.44 | SportChick | brad: ahhh, thanks |
| 03:52.49 | SportChick | brlcad: thanks :) |
| 03:53.58 | brlcad | should basically be the nice snappy performance from before the big recompile when it first migrated, if not a little better even |
| 03:54.58 | SportChick | brlcad: cool |
| 04:00.26 | brlcad | yeah, pretty nifty |
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| 09:40.31 | brlcad | hmm.. where to shove the plugins |
| 09:40.46 | lan56 | in the outlet |
| 09:40.47 | brlcad | any mac using, plugin using users in the house? |
| 09:41.10 | Birdie | isnt it like 5.40 am for you?:'( |
| 09:41.17 | brlcad | something like that |
| 09:41.23 | Birdie | still up or allready up? |
| 09:41.35 | brlcad | already |
| 09:41.42 | brlcad | about an hour ago |
| 09:41.45 | Birdie | wow |
| 09:41.58 | Birdie | you went to bed at 8pm?:) |
| 09:42.06 | brlcad | nah, about 1 |
| 09:42.16 | Birdie | wow.. |
| 09:42.20 | Birdie | you dont need much sleep |
| 09:42.20 | Pimpi | real programmers don't need to sleep |
| 09:42.41 | brlcad | there's plenty of time to sleep when you're dead |
| 09:42.44 | Birdie | such few sleep i can do 3 or 4 night in a row but than i'm done:) |
| 09:42.53 | Birdie | nights* |
| 09:42.57 | brlcad | plus rowing has my schedule all turned around |
| 09:43.00 | Pimpi | just a matter of coffee |
| 09:43.20 | Birdie | i hate coffee:( |
| 09:45.24 | brlcad | mac build is done and even includes plugin support for the first time |
| 09:45.44 | brlcad | and there's no libcurl framework dependency too |
| 09:45.58 | lan56 | are you using gcc for this mac build? |
| 09:46.04 | brlcad | next time i'll try for no libz and no libcrypto dep too |
| 09:46.18 | brlcad | lan56: what else would I be using? |
| 09:46.29 | brlcad | it's the system compile |
| 09:46.33 | brlcad | compiler even |
| 09:46.36 | lan56 | well I don't know I remember mpw had its own compiler so I thought that xcode thing might have its own too |
| 09:46.44 | brlcad | heh, mpw |
| 09:46.54 | brlcad | that was like 15 years ago :) |
| 09:47.06 | lan56 | mentally, it was just yesterday :) |
| 09:47.36 | brlcad | nah, os x has always just shipped a custom compile of gcc with an apple optimization core |
| 09:47.45 | lan56 | ahh |
| 09:48.42 | brlcad | there optimization pass takes between 2x and 10x gcc's optimization, but it does result in consistently faster code nicely |
| 09:49.30 | lan56 | I see |
| 10:12.16 | Constitution | I'm a mac using plugin using user... :-) |
| 10:12.21 | Constitution | Still need help? |
| 10:14.57 | Constitution | Oh, I guess you didn't need help... you were offering help, lol. |
| 10:15.54 | brlcad | Constitution: actually I wanted someone to try out the 2.0.8 binary |
| 10:16.02 | Constitution | Oh. |
| 10:16.04 | brlcad | it includes plugin support this time out of the box |
| 10:16.08 | Constitution | Cool! |
| 10:16.24 | brlcad | all the plugins are provided in the app bundle |
| 10:16.35 | Constitution | Sweet. |
| 10:16.42 | brlcad | in Contents/Plugins |
| 10:17.23 | Constitution | I have a Lombard/333MHz... I've always had to start with -window, but I'll try the binary if you like. |
| 10:53.35 | brlcad | Constitution: the .dmg is uploaded to the project site if you care to test it out |
| 11:00.59 | Constitution | Okay, I'll download it. |
| 11:03.47 | Constitution | Say, is there going to be a binary for Mac OS X on Intel Macs anytime soon? |
| 11:06.18 | ToughShooter | 2009 is the time to switch to x86 or whatever they use then, not now :p |
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| 11:11.32 | Constitution | Hehe, why is that, ToughShooter? |
| 11:22.53 | Constitution | brlcad, 103MB is too big for a BZFlag binary. ;-) |
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| 11:29.33 | Constitution | This OS X binary works well. |
| 11:29.46 | Constitution | Seems faster than 2.0.6 for some reason... maybe it's just me. |
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| 13:24.11 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.12 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 13:24.23 | romfis | :P |
| 13:25.12 | romfis | nice "oops, Happy Mother's Day" Version name |
| 13:29.01 | nitrosport_5 | hehe |
| 13:29.16 | nitrosport_5 | it is a little early for that |
| 13:29.47 | nitrosport_5 | it was |
| 13:29.49 | nitrosport_5 | * |
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| 13:30.36 | brlcad | nitrosport_5: and a bit late in other parts of the world |
| 13:37.33 | nitrosport_5 | true |
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| 13:57.37 | SportChick | ~brlcad++ |
| 14:21.02 | brlcad | hmm, who wha? |
| 14:21.47 | Pimpi | ping |
| 14:21.57 | Pimpi | hm, wrong wondow |
| 14:22.01 | Pimpi | window |
| 14:23.08 | menotume | pong |
| 14:23.30 | romfis | HI all, what is a MAINT Version ? |
| 14:25.15 | brlcad | Main-T, brought to you by Mr. T! fool! |
| 14:26.58 | romfis | aha |
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| 14:28.14 | SportChick | hehe |
| 14:29.23 | menotume | maintenance version is the Micro$oft way of saying 'bug-fixes' |
| 14:30.08 | romfis | oh |
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| 17:52.32 | spldart | Been playing more silvercat lately and I was wondering if there was anything that can be done to counter players dropping from the game server in order to disable flag capture/carry when they are about to be capped? |
| 17:57.08 | [dmp] | the plugin could wait x secs before enforcing the no-ctf rule, allowing the team to carry the flag to goal even if people quit just before the capture |
| 17:57.26 | a-delusion | talk to l4m3r |
| 17:57.31 | a-delusion | he made it |
| 17:58.03 | [dmp] | would probably be better to talk with silvercat owners first |
| 17:58.31 | [dmp] | http://silvercat.bzflag.org got forums - you could post it there, spldart |
| 17:58.40 | a-delusion | im 100 percent sure he could do that, and 99 percent he would |
| 17:59.32 | spldart | kew thanks |
| 17:59.32 | [dmp] | I'm 100% sure that owners needs to approve it either way. |
| 17:59.39 | spldart | you were just playing there weren't you? |
| 17:59.46 | JeffM2501 | step 1) get a baseball bat |
| 17:59.53 | JeffM2501 | step 2) find them |
| 17:59.58 | [dmp] | spldart: yup |
| 17:59.59 | JeffM2501 | step 3) hilarity ensues |
| 18:00.57 | spldart | I come hit and run play a little ctf on silvercat once in a while and this wasn't the first time that after maybe 10 minutes I'm got the oppossing flag within site of my base and poof somebody logs off just then. happens often... Thanks for the link |
| 18:02.18 | spldart | If frustrates more that if I get frustrated cuz I see they are about to capture I'll go ahead and play hard till the capture then log off. That's what I get for trying to be fair hehehe |
| 18:02.35 | spldart | ugh.. can't type do to hangover |
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| 19:23.58 | nick125 | he...I got a quick server admin question, how do you kick a user with a space in their username? |
| 19:24.14 | a-delusion | quotes |
| 19:24.33 | CBG | Or just use the slot number. |
| 19:25.04 | nick125 | thanks |
| 19:27.02 | nick125 | had to get rid of a player that was sitting there insulting players and such..heh |
| 19:27.16 | CBG | :) |
| 19:28.12 | trepan | nick125: tip, newer clients will add quotes automatically if you tab-complete (or F2, or whatever your settings are) |
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| 19:45.17 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, go to gnurdux.homelinux.net:5123 |
| 19:45.44 | JeffM2501 | cus /msg just won't work? |
| 19:45.55 | Gnurdux | no, cause i forget to use it |
| 19:46.08 | JeffM2501 | maybe put a stickynote on your computer? |
| 19:48.32 | purple_cow | heh |
| 19:49.02 | uso | what timezone is the list server? |
| 19:49.08 | JeffM2501 | florida |
| 19:49.16 | JeffM2501 | so central IIRC |
| 19:49.43 | uso | GMT+6? |
| 19:50.09 | uso | aehm, -6? :) |
| 19:50.30 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 19:50.47 | brlcad | eastern |
| 19:50.48 | uso | should announce this in GMT :) |
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| 19:50.58 | brlcad | was too lazy |
| 19:50.59 | uso | so it's in 10 mins? |
| 19:51.13 | Patlabor221 | wtf |
| 19:51.24 | brlcad | today isn't the 15th |
| 19:51.36 | uso | oh, detail :) |
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| 19:51.51 | JeffM2501 | aperantly I put IRC on a hotbutton |
| 19:51.57 | brlcad | 24 hours from now |
| 19:51.58 | JeffM2501 | what's on the 15th? |
| 19:52.20 | uso | topic ;) |
| 19:52.25 | JeffM2501 | ah |
| 19:52.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:52.26 | brlcad | they're finally installing a remote reboot port on the server |
| 19:52.39 | JeffM2501 | one of those smart powerstrips? |
| 19:52.41 | brlcad | so there will be console access |
| 19:52.55 | brlcad | basically |
| 19:53.00 | brlcad | for servers |
| 19:53.05 | JeffM2501 | those arn't cheap |
| 19:53.18 | JeffM2501 | we got 2 for our colo and sever at work |
| 19:56.00 | nick125 | thats better then waiting 3 hours for a reboot though.. |
| 19:56.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:56.19 | JeffM2501 | or paying 50$ to have someone run over :) |
| 19:56.26 | nick125 | (I've actually had times where its taken my provider 3 hours to reboot the server, with the trouble ticket as "urgent") |
| 19:56.44 | SportChick | brlcad: 4:00PM what timezone? |
| 19:57.21 | brlcad | i've locked myself out a couple times, finally having the ability to reboot it on-demand without logging in will be great :) |
| 19:57.55 | brlcad | SportChick: take a wild guess if I wrote it and it doesn't say ;) |
| 19:57.59 | nick125 | well, my provider gave me access to the powerstrip control panel, but, last time I checked, it suddenly doesnt work any more.. |
| 19:58.44 | SportChick | you could as easily meant GMT |
| 19:58.49 | brad | it's BST ;) |
| 19:59.02 | SportChick | brlcad standard time? :p |
| 20:00.24 | brlcad | SportChick: "15:50 <@brlcad> was too lazy" |
| 20:00.24 | JeffM2501 | beer stein time |
| 20:00.51 | brlcad | s/was/was and am/ :) |
| 20:01.56 | SportChick | hrm |
| 20:02.05 | SportChick | 4PM EDT is 9PM GMT, iirc |
| 20:02.17 | SportChick | though it might be 8PM GMT |
| 20:03.30 | SportChick | brlcad: 4pm EDT IS 8PM GMT |
| 20:03.50 | brlcad | that's nice ;) |
| 20:04.24 | SportChick | hrmph |
| 20:04.47 | Gnurdux | 2.0.8 client has no noticeable bugfixes correct? just server with the spawn thingy |
| 20:05.12 | nick125 | oh..I should probably upgrade my server.. |
| 20:05.21 | brlcad | Gnurdux: there's a list, read the list please |
| 20:05.21 | Gnurdux | i did today |
| 20:05.24 | nick125 | its still on 2.0.4 -_- |
| 20:05.29 | Gnurdux | ooh |
| 20:05.39 | Gnurdux | nick125, there a some new server things in 2.0.6 |
| 20:05.42 | nick125 | I'm guessing it would be best to update it, eh? |
| 20:05.44 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, then if you read the list, why are you asking? |
| 20:05.58 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i didnt read itr |
| 20:06.22 | nick125 | let me guess...the bzflag ebuild maintainer is on a 6 month vacation...*sighs* |
| 20:06.27 | JeffM2501 | itr? |
| 20:06.50 | JeffM2501 | no, I think he's just on a 2 week biz trip |
| 20:06.58 | nick125 | the only two versions of bzflag in portage are 1.10.8 and 2.0.4 |
| 20:07.08 | JeffM2501 | I think .6 is in there "testing" |
| 20:07.20 | JeffM2501 | he'll do .8 when he gets back from hungary |
| 20:07.27 | nick125 | nope, its not in there period.. |
| 20:07.33 | JeffM2501 | at least I think tupy is the maintainer of it |
| 20:07.46 | JeffM2501 | he may not have done .6 since we knew we were gonna do .8 |
| 20:07.49 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, how important is the http thing? |
| 20:08.00 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, prety important |
| 20:08.21 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, then you should get TimRiker to make the debian package fast and get it put in testing fast |
| 20:08.29 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, he will |
| 20:08.33 | nick125 | when was 2.0.8 released? |
| 20:08.36 | JeffM2501 | yesterday |
| 20:08.37 | Gnurdux | nick125, yesterday |
| 20:08.44 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, we KNOW how to do a software release |
| 20:08.48 | JeffM2501 | for the 1000'th time |
| 20:09.09 | JeffM2501 | Tim is notified when we post on SF |
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| 20:09.47 | nick125 | I thought doing software releases was simply tarballing the program up, put it on ftp, and put a little news announcement..that how I've done them least :D |
| 20:09.57 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:10.02 | JeffM2501 | that's just the last part |
| 20:10.15 | JeffM2501 | there are tags to tag, dists to check, windows installers to build |
| 20:10.19 | JeffM2501 | zips to make |
| 20:10.23 | JeffM2501 | versions to bump |
| 20:11.01 | brlcad | news announements to make, e-mails to send, postings to make |
| 20:11.28 | nick125 | to be exact, I usually branch it off into a seperate folder in the repo, freeze that as testing-bugfixonly, then, after a few days of testing, go ahead and freeze it as testing-criticalbugfixonly, then release |
| 20:11.29 | brlcad | software repos to update.. we haven't done that in ages |
| 20:11.31 | JeffM2501 | OS10s to curse at |
| 20:11.54 | nick125 | I feel sorry for the person that has to maintain the wnidows build :P |
| 20:12.00 | JeffM2501 | nick125, we have full procedure, we basicly do the same thing but using CVS tags |
| 20:12.10 | JeffM2501 | nick125, why? it's prety freaking easy |
| 20:12.16 | JeffM2501 | I hit F5 and I'm done ;) |
| 20:12.24 | nick125 | well, okay, maybe for C/C++ programs.. |
| 20:12.27 | JeffM2501 | installer build is even automated |
| 20:12.47 | nick125 | I've had to make windows builds for a python program..it wasn't fun |
| 20:13.05 | JeffM2501 | yup, since windows dosn't ship with python |
| 20:13.33 | nick125 | well, they have py2exe that makes a python program into a exe.. |
| 20:13.47 | JeffM2501 | then just slap that into NSIS and be done |
| 20:14.14 | nick125 | its getting the actual thing to work thats the problem.. |
| 20:14.31 | nick125 | because, on linux and windows, files are placed in different paths |
| 20:14.33 | JeffM2501 | thats why I compile my programs ;) |
| 20:14.53 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, btw the path it searches for plugins is kind of screwed |
| 20:15.02 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, on what OS? |
| 20:15.05 | JeffM2501 | there are many |
| 20:15.06 | Gnurdux | UNIX |
| 20:15.09 | nick125 | you know one of the very few good things that I liked about C# was that you could "include" files like graphics and such |
| 20:15.11 | Gnurdux | well non-windows |
| 20:15.13 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, umm ok |
| 20:15.16 | JeffM2501 | I didn't do that part |
| 20:15.21 | JeffM2501 | IIRC the cow did |
| 20:15.26 | Gnurdux | someone put $(prefix) in a string, and thought it would work |
| 20:15.37 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, it probably does on some shells |
| 20:15.38 | Gnurdux | a C++ string... not even touched by CPP |
| 20:15.40 | JeffM2501 | don't asusme |
| 20:15.48 | Gnurdux | this was in a C++ file |
| 20:15.52 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, I know |
| 20:15.54 | Gnurdux | bzfsPlugins.cxx |
| 20:16.03 | Gnurdux | the shell isnt involved in compilation |
| 20:16.04 | JeffM2501 | and that coudl be an environment variable parsed by the OS ;) |
| 20:16.11 | trepan | JeffM2501: i mentionned that one a while ago :) |
| 20:16.11 | nick125 | I don't think that would exactly...work...just my opinion.. |
| 20:16.13 | JeffM2501 | AFTER it gets out of bz |
| 20:16.14 | JeffM2501 | but yeah |
| 20:16.15 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 20:16.16 | JeffM2501 | fix it |
| 20:16.19 | JeffM2501 | I didn't make it |
| 20:16.21 | Gnurdux | i did for my own |
| 20:16.23 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:16.25 | JeffM2501 | then patch it |
| 20:16.30 | Gnurdux | make a patch? |
| 20:16.32 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 20:16.41 | JeffM2501 | well how else do you expect your fixes to get in? |
| 20:16.49 | Gnurdux | my fix isnt generic |
| 20:17.01 | JeffM2501 | then come up wiht a gneric solution |
| 20:17.16 | Gnurdux | ok... |
| 20:17.18 | JeffM2501 | just cus it's with plugins dosn't mean I know how to fix it |
| 20:17.31 | JeffM2501 | I know little of linux file systems |
| 20:17.51 | Gnurdux | i wish bzadmin could do bots |
| 20:18.07 | JeffM2501 | it could |
| 20:18.11 | JeffM2501 | if you coded it up to do so |
| 20:18.17 | Gnurdux | true |
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| 21:21.38 | spldart | logging out for teh storms :) |
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| 22:07.02 | wegstar | wait... so in linux plugins don't have to link up with some bz library to work? |
| 22:22.09 | Gnurdux | wegstar, no they doint |
| 22:22.27 | Gnurdux | you just build a shared library, and make sure they have access to the header |
| 22:22.36 | Gnurdux | they get the symbols from the bzfs |
| 22:22.39 | wegstar | ;) |
| 22:26.14 | wegstar | Gnurdux: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=53672 |
| 22:26.27 | wegstar | linux... finally ;) |
| 22:26.31 | Gnurdux | thats been done before |
| 22:26.36 | wegstar | ? |
| 22:26.45 | Gnurdux | wait |
| 22:26.47 | Gnurdux | nothing |
| 22:26.53 | wegstar | I wasn't aware that it worked on linux.. |
| 22:26.55 | wegstar | ok |
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| 23:15.10 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I was clarifying all the questions he'd have to answer, not asking you anything ;) |
| 23:16.40 | JeffM2501 | how hard would it be to make a browser based local server launcher to replace the in game one? |
| 23:20.25 | trepan | bzfs_conf.html ? |
| 23:21.02 | JeffM2501 | like that but also it starts the server |
| 23:21.10 | JeffM2501 | like combine that and have it run it |
| 23:22.30 | trepan | just saying it's mostly done... |
| 23:23.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:23.21 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'm askin how hard it woudl be to have it start an app |
| 23:23.29 | JeffM2501 | don't know if you can do that from a browser in ix |
| 23:23.30 | JeffM2501 | nix |
| 23:23.43 | JeffM2501 | then we'd have one server start interface |
| 23:25.20 | trepan | CLI is good enough for me, you want more servers? ;) |
| 23:25.52 | JeffM2501 | I want it to be harder to start them, and to take the start server menu out of the game :) |
| 23:26.17 | trepan | just take it out then |
| 23:32.43 | brlcad | the in-game interface doesn't contribute to public servers |
| 23:33.15 | brlcad | the fastest way to get a nice lan game going with friends |
| 23:33.29 | brlcad | used it myself several times |
| 23:34.54 | JeffM2501 | that's why the config maker can just run a lan game for ya ;) |
| 23:36.48 | brlcad | "config maker"? |
| 23:37.08 | JeffM2501 | the html page that makes a config for you |
| 23:37.12 | JeffM2501 | the fat man made it |
| 23:37.16 | brlcad | yeah |
| 23:37.25 | brlcad | that's great for making arbitrary configs |
| 23:37.38 | brlcad | but not great for simple server startups imo |
| 23:37.45 | brlcad | plus it's outside the game |
| 23:37.46 | JeffM2501 | if it also had a simple interface and could start a server it coudl do both |
| 23:38.01 | brlcad | how many games make you leave the game to start a lan game? |
| 23:38.06 | brlcad | just wierd |
| 23:38.32 | JeffM2501 | how many games still support lan games? ;) |
| 23:38.40 | JeffM2501 | well it dosn't look like it works for the windows |
| 23:41.36 | JeffM2501 | gee I wonder what our ESRB rating is ;) |
| 23:41.46 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: just about any non-mmo supports lan games |
| 23:42.17 | JeffM2501 | the FPSs do |
| 23:42.19 | JeffM2501 | and that's us |
| 23:42.20 | JeffM2501 | so... |
| 23:42.27 | DTRemenak | and RTSs, and TBSs |
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| 23:47.26 | JeffM2501 | turn based shooters? |
| 23:48.30 | purple_cow | that's an under-appreciated genre |
| 23:48.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:49.02 | JeffM2501 | are there any games that don't have a single player mode that have in game starts? |
| 23:49.22 | purple_cow | in game starts? |
| 23:49.28 | JeffM2501 | in game server starting tools |
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| 23:53.47 | JeffM2501 | I'm actualy trying to think of a FPS that dosn't have a single player mode that ISN'T an MMO |
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| 23:56.47 | CBG | JeffM2501: hmm? |
| 23:57.08 | JeffM2501 | CBG, nm |
| 23:57.31 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: Enemy Territory. Course it was designed as an expansion pack to RTCW, which had an excellent SP campaign, so I dunno if that counts. |
| 23:57.34 | CBG | :) Monkey Island owns all games, ever. |
| 23:57.54 | JeffM2501 | do you have to have the RTCW? |
| 23:57.57 | DTRemenak | no |
| 23:58.01 | JeffM2501 | interesting |
| 23:58.05 | DTRemenak | ET is a separate (and free) download |
| 23:58.07 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 23:58.16 | JeffM2501 | wonder if there are any others |
| 23:58.38 | DTRemenak | hey, it took me like 4 minutes to come up with that one, don't push your luck :) |
| 23:58.43 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:58.58 | JeffM2501 | most are single/lan/wan, or wan only |
| 23:59.01 | JeffM2501 | we are wierd |
| 23:59.18 | DTRemenak | counterstrike has no sp, right? |
| 23:59.20 | JeffM2501 | subspace was wan or lan, but wan was it's primary |
| 23:59.31 | JeffM2501 | probably not |
| 23:59.39 | JeffM2501 | but also a mod |
| 23:59.42 | DTRemenak | you can buy it in a box separately from HL |
| 23:59.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:59.48 | DTRemenak | so not really a mod anymore |
| 23:59.54 | JeffM2501 | it started as one |
| 23:59.57 | JeffM2501 | same as ET |
