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| 00:16.50 | JeffM2501 | hmm new CVS server names.... |
| 00:19.15 | JeffM2501 | looks like they have a good plan for the new system tho |
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| 01:56.34 | menotume | oh, cvs host changed ? |
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| 02:01.33 | menotume | JeffM2501: did cvs hostname change, or is it just dwon atm ? |
| 02:01.38 | menotume | down |
| 02:02.05 | JeffM2501 | both |
| 02:02.10 | menotume | heh |
| 02:05.09 | JeffM2501 | it is down, but it will also change hosts before it comes back |
| 02:07.56 | menotume | i haven't rxed any mail from sf since april 14 |
| 02:08.04 | menotume | unless i delted it with spam :( |
| 02:08.31 | JeffM2501 | they haven't notified any real users yet |
| 02:08.35 | JeffM2501 | just project admins |
| 02:08.41 | menotume | i take it back, i deleted it :) |
| 02:08.48 | menotume | i am project admin - fidd project |
| 02:08.52 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 02:08.54 | menotume | diff project |
| 02:09.00 | JeffM2501 | the new plan sounds good |
| 02:09.04 | JeffM2501 | hope they get it right |
| 02:09.33 | menotume | ew,, have to checkout everything again |
| 02:09.38 | JeffM2501 | ye |
| 02:09.41 | blast007 | I like the fact that the sync delay is lower |
| 02:09.42 | JeffM2501 | that's the downside |
| 02:09.45 | menotume | i have so many copies :) |
| 02:09.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:09.54 | menotume | simple enuf to srite a script to fix it :) |
| 02:09.59 | menotume | did that once before |
| 02:09.59 | JeffM2501 | also the rsync is cool |
| 02:10.37 | menotume | ah, yes |
| 02:11.48 | menotume | would be nice if they gave some time to make commits :) |
| 02:12.23 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 02:12.50 | menotume | well, i can't use my working directory |
| 02:12.57 | menotume | (have to re-checkout) |
| 02:13.16 | menotume | although, all you have to do is change the 'Root' file in each CVS dir |
| 02:13.43 | JeffM2501 | I don't think they have a choice |
| 02:13.50 | JeffM2501 | it's down now cus a drive blew in the old machine |
| 02:14.11 | menotume | oh, i didn't read it all |
| 02:14.41 | JeffM2501 | they are just doing the move now cus they are allmost ready instead of fixing the old busted drive |
| 02:14.48 | menotume | hmm, i think a one-line script ought to 'fix' cruuent working dirs |
| 02:15.00 | menotume | for nix, anyway |
| 02:15.50 | menotume | i'll post it here if it works |
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| 02:23.30 | RPG_ | ~wake brlcad |
| 02:23.31 | ibot | brlcad: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 02:23.35 | RPG_ | hehe |
| 02:25.34 | codergeek42 | That's cool. :) |
| 02:29.05 | menotume | he's sleeping |
| 02:31.22 | A_Meteorite | Where was that one post that said what characters aren't allowed in a callsign? |
| 02:31.28 | A_Meteorite | Or should I say topic. |
| 02:31.36 | RPG_ | search |
| 02:31.41 | A_Meteorite | *sigh* |
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| 02:31.47 | A_Meteorite | I think search hates me. |
| 02:31.49 | L4m3r | try searching "lame name" |
| 02:31.51 | A_Meteorite | Never ever works |
| 02:32.35 | A_Meteorite | Ahh! Thanks! |
| 02:32.36 | A_Meteorite | :D |
| 02:32.43 | L4m3r | hehe |
| 02:33.19 | L4m3r | seems to be an "official bzflag term" :P |
| 02:40.04 | JeffM2501 | what character is in question? |
| 02:41.19 | A_Meteorite | I need a seperator to use in my plugin... it's POST data. |
| 02:41.23 | A_Meteorite | Kinda goes like... |
| 02:41.35 | A_Meteorite | callsign|wins|losses|teamkills|lag |
| 02:41.54 | JeffM2501 | . : ; would all be fine |
| 02:42.03 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 02:42.05 | JeffM2501 | those are not allowed |
| 02:42.07 | L4m3r | I've seen ; in a callsign.... |
| 02:42.56 | A_Meteorite | "blah;blargh;hey" works |
| 02:43.03 | A_Meteorite | on a 2.0.6 server |
| 02:43.16 | L4m3r | I think ' is prohibited |
| 02:43.32 | L4m3r | but only in callsigns, maybe not in emails |
| 02:43.42 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 02:45.25 | JeffM2501 | why not use | |
| 02:45.44 | A_Meteorite | blah|blargh|hey works as a callsign |
| 02:46.29 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 02:46.33 | JeffM2501 | but we don't like it |
| 02:46.48 | A_Meteorite | so, if I used that it would totally mess it up... it might submit something like: blah|blargh|hey|10|5|0|150 |
| 02:46.51 | JeffM2501 | I can ban | from the boards |
| 02:47.01 | A_Meteorite | yeah, but this has to work for unregistered people too :) |
| 02:47.08 | L4m3r | a-m there's another char like that that's not on the keyboard |
| 02:47.12 | JeffM2501 | then check the code |
| 02:47.21 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 02:47.23 | L4m3r | ascii index of -30 or something funky like that |
| 02:47.29 | A_Meteorite | L4m3r: ok :) |
| 02:48.03 | A_Meteorite | L4m3r: do you have a list of call ascii codes? I couldn't seem to find it anywhere |
| 02:48.08 | JeffM2501 | - is the ones over 128 |
| 02:48.14 | A_Meteorite | *index or whatever you call it |
| 02:48.15 | L4m3r | yeah, I figured |
| 02:48.30 | L4m3r | something useful out of learning assembly :P |
| 02:48.35 | A_Meteorite | heh... |
| 02:48.51 | JeffM2501 | you only see that when you are doing signed chars |
| 02:48.54 | L4m3r | my bad, the char is -90 |
| 02:48.55 | JeffM2501 | not unsighed |
| 02:49.25 | L4m3r | I can't paste it because SuSE doesn't seem to recognize it in text... don't ask |
| 02:50.57 | A_Meteorite | that's funny, according to my Mac -90 is ¶ |
| 02:51.02 | menotume | http://www.lookuptables.com/ |
| 02:51.08 | A_Meteorite | (a parentheses symbol) |
| 02:51.11 | JeffM2501 | over 128 is not standard |
| 02:51.18 | A_Meteorite | Ahh, that's why then |
| 02:51.19 | JeffM2501 | it's difrent for each OS |
| 02:51.49 | A_Meteorite | menotume: thanks! that sure helps! (I think I wasted about 30mins of Googling :) ) |
| 02:52.08 | menotume | google this: 'ascii chart' and pick the ffirst link :) |
| 02:52.19 | A_Meteorite | heh, I was doing ascii index |
| 02:52.42 | A_Meteorite | (and ascii codes) |
| 02:52.46 | menotume | hehe |
| 02:53.07 | A_Meteorite | brb |
| 02:54.57 | menotume | ok, it looks like this will work to 'FIX' current repos working dirs ... |
| 02:54.59 | menotume | http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/fixcvsroot |
| 02:55.09 | menotume | i'll test it here as soon as sf is back up |
| 02:56.15 | JeffM2501 | that's gonna be like next week ;) |
| 02:56.38 | menotume | yes, tommorow afternoon = next week, that's about right ) |
| 02:57.33 | menotume | A_Meteorite: -90 = 166 (256-90) |
| 03:01.50 | menotume | A_Meteorite: how about tab ? or lf or cr or ..... just be sure to urlencode that stuff |
| 03:25.15 | JeffM2501 | or put the name and email in quotes |
| 03:28.24 | menotume | sure, if quote isn't allowed (which i hope it isn't) |
| 03:28.50 | menotume | in taht case, just sperate by " |
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| 03:38.50 | menotume | new cvs is showing SOME signs of life :) |
| 03:39.24 | tokimi | the new cvs actually work? |
| 03:39.43 | menotume | no |
| 03:39.55 | menotume | SOME signs of life, ie it's reporting error msgs :) |
| 03:40.01 | tokimi | aah |
| 03:40.06 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 03:40.12 | tokimi | i should have reported my compilation errors? |
| 03:40.54 | menotume | err, no .. CVS is reporting errors - can't get to the files yet |
| 03:40.55 | A_Meteorite | hehe: "as the world turns, update copyright to 2006 since these are the days of our lives" |
| 03:41.32 | A_Meteorite | brlcad must of been watching too many soaps, no? |
| 03:46.15 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it'll take a bit to get the data set |
| 03:46.20 | JeffM2501 | and the backups and syncs |
| 03:46.27 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it'll look like it's up tomorow |
| 03:46.34 | JeffM2501 | then it'll puke under the load :) |
| 03:46.38 | A_Meteorite | w00t |
| 03:46.39 | JeffM2501 | then they will get it smothed out |
| 03:46.42 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: heh |
| 04:56.46 | trepan | JeffM2501: to answer one of your questions from yesterday, the ahod setup would require access to flag drops and spawns |
| 04:57.09 | trepan | (to be "modularized") |
| 04:58.13 | L4m3r | flag grab/drop would be nice to have in the API |
| 04:58.18 | trepan | i think the rest of it could be done with the current bzfsAPI setup |
| 04:58.35 | L4m3r | hm, flag spawns too, perhaps |
| 04:58.39 | L4m3r | hm... |
| 04:58.54 | L4m3r | or that could be bound to a drop event somehow |
| 05:00.05 | trepan | you'd might also want to expose the DropGeometry calls |
| 05:32.07 | trepan | would also need to have pluginMaxWait implemented (or a hooked substitute), didn't realize that it's currently invariant |
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| 05:35.18 | xbmodder_lappy | bzflag server at noc.atarack.com |
| 05:36.23 | L4m3r | you're a few hours too late... most of the people who are awake don't play often and/or are busy :P |
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| 07:19.55 | LePoulpe303 | anyone knows things about action tanks league ??? |
| 07:56.36 | L4m3r | help, I'm being stalked by drunken people who think they can type. |
| 07:59.45 | LePoulpe303 | L4m3r: what about your server with the new game mode (bacon something if i remember well) ? |
| 07:59.58 | L4m3r | it's up, but empty |
| 08:00.06 | LePoulpe303 | oh sad |
| 08:00.49 | LePoulpe303 | i really would like to test that mode |
| 08:01.08 | L4m3r | go for it, lol |
| 08:01.14 | L4m3r | it... sorta works solo :P |
| 08:01.15 | LePoulpe303 | nah need teams |
| 08:01.36 | L4m3r | I'd play a round if I wasn't working on something due 4 hours ago. |
| 08:02.12 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 08:02.47 | LePoulpe303 | i'll try to find some troops |
| 08:21.08 | L4m3r | LePouple303: I'm finished, if you want to go on a short test run. |
| 08:39.18 | LePoulpe303 | L4m3r: still there ? |
| 08:39.22 | L4m3r | yup |
| 08:39.37 | LePoulpe303 | ok let's test ; if i leave abruptly it means : boss laert ;) |
| 08:39.42 | L4m3r | ok |
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| 14:43.17 | SeaSharp | anyone alive? |
| 14:57.39 | ToughShooter | menotume: ping |
| 15:06.16 | gsnedders | SeaSharp: hell no. |
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| 15:27.06 | ToughShooter | bryjen: ping |
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| 16:02.51 | ToughShooter | Does anyone know what happens with lag in replays? |
| 16:08.03 | SeaSharp | ok |
| 16:08.19 | SeaSharp | my gameserver is up |
| 16:08.27 | SeaSharp | right now it is hosting wnc's map |
| 16:08.42 | SeaSharp | if anyone has a good map they want hosted free for a month, 48 slots max, msg me |
| 16:08.49 | SeaSharp | ill be away for a while but ill get the msg |
| 16:12.37 | SeaSharp | timriker |
| 16:12.39 | SeaSharp | how goes? |
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| 16:23.33 | SeaSharp | I need a map to host for free for a month |
| 16:23.39 | SeaSharp | a big map, lotsa stuff in it |
| 16:29.08 | CBG | SeaSharp: I'm working on an interesting map but work is slow with exams approaching. I'll see if I can finish this weekend. :) |
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| 16:58.09 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ping |
| 16:58.13 | JeffM2501 | yes? |
| 16:58.42 | SportChick | any idea how some people are being accidentally added to user groups? is there a bug or hack or something? |
| 16:58.59 | JeffM2501 | I've never heard of it before |
| 16:59.11 | JeffM2501 | unless people are seting there groups to ones other then hidden |
| 16:59.13 | JeffM2501 | what group? |
| 16:59.22 | SportChick | hold on |
| 16:59.30 | SportChick | please invite AlexandrtheGreat |
| 16:59.35 | SportChick | to this channel |
| 16:59.46 | JeffM2501 | this channel isn't invite |
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| 17:00.04 | SportChick | yes, but he was slow in coming |
| 17:00.12 | SportChick | AlexandrTheGreat: talk to JeffM2501 about what happened |
| 17:00.21 | AlexandrTheGreat | public? |
| 17:00.25 | SportChick | or private |
| 17:00.28 | SportChick | whatever you prefer |
| 17:00.42 | JeffM2501 | what group? |
| 17:00.44 | JeffM2501 | I can look at how it's set |
| 17:00.49 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Do you know how replay mode works? |
| 17:00.58 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/data/title.png: update to 2.0.8 graphic |
| 17:01.02 | JeffM2501 | if a group is set wrong anyone can join it |
| 17:01.34 | AlexandrTheGreat | one group was gu-league |
| 17:01.41 | AlexandrTheGreat | there were 4 or 5 others |
| 17:01.46 | AlexandrTheGreat | metawire cops |
| 17:01.49 | AlexandrTheGreat | metawire admins |
| 17:01.55 | JeffM2501 | there is no group named gu-leauge |
| 17:01.58 | AlexandrTheGreat | and i forget the others |
| 17:02.01 | JeffM2501 | I need EXACT group names |
| 17:02.05 | AlexandrTheGreat | gu-league |
| 17:02.08 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 17:02.12 | AlexandrTheGreat | i'm in it |
| 17:02.29 | JeffM2501 | does not exist as a global group |
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| 17:02.30 | ToughShooter | gu.league |
| 17:02.30 | JeffM2501 | gu. |
| 17:02.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:02.30 | AlexandrTheGreat | oh |
| 17:02.43 | JeffM2501 | the user is gu-leauge |
| 17:02.49 | JeffM2501 | looks set right |
| 17:03.03 | JeffM2501 | have who owns it change the password on the moderator account |
| 17:03.07 | AlexandrTheGreat | my team leader on gu was invited to all these groups |
| 17:03.13 | AlexandrTheGreat | he has no idea why |
| 17:03.15 | JeffM2501 | it may have been comprmised |
| 17:03.24 | JeffM2501 | ask the owners of it |
| 17:03.27 | JeffM2501 | see what they say |
| 17:03.31 | AlexandrTheGreat | i sent the list of groups to quantumdot |
| 17:03.35 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:03.44 | JeffM2501 | maybe one of the admisn invited you |
| 17:04.03 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: What happens with lag in replays? Do you know? |
| 17:04.04 | AlexandrTheGreat | i can't see any reason for anyone to be invited to gu.league |
| 17:04.16 | AlexandrTheGreat | that is the group where i keep the list to admit people to the match servers |
| 17:04.26 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, since it's all stored on the server, it would have the client lag "burned in" |
| 17:04.37 | JeffM2501 | AlexandrTheGreat, maybe it was a mistake |
| 17:04.55 | JeffM2501 | check the human reasons first, before going off on the techincal reasons ;) |
| 17:05.00 | AlexandrTheGreat | k |
| 17:05.24 | AlexandrTheGreat | ty |
| 17:05.43 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Could you explain what you mean with "burned in" please? |
| 17:06.06 | JeffM2501 | the server saves a timestamp with each message it gets |
| 17:06.24 | JeffM2501 | so when it gets the update, it will save off the server time with that message |
| 17:06.39 | JeffM2501 | so the client's, client to server lag time is part of that timestamp |
| 17:06.42 | ToughShooter | Yes, I can follow |
| 17:06.55 | JeffM2501 | since we don't do any real lag compensation, it's just there |
| 17:07.32 | ToughShooter | So it is basically just like when one plays? |
| 17:07.37 | JeffM2501 | then when you playback, you'd see all the messages laged by your personal lag to the server |
| 17:07.40 | JeffM2501 | kinda |
| 17:07.46 | JeffM2501 | 1/2 of it is |
| 17:07.51 | JeffM2501 | the sending part from the clients |
| 17:07.52 | blast007 | ToughShooter: it would be how the server sees the lag |
| 17:08.05 | JeffM2501 | the send TO the receving clients, isn't stored |
| 17:08.27 | ToughShooter | I have interest in a version that has no lag :/ |
| 17:08.40 | JeffM2501 | if you were watching a match recoding and had difrent lag then the players, you'd have your personal current lag applied to all messages from the server, where the real players had what ever they had at the recoding time |
| 17:08.45 | JeffM2501 | could be a small discrepancy |
| 17:08.57 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, there is allways lag over the internet |
| 17:09.07 | JeffM2501 | you can't send things in 0 time |
| 17:09.41 | JeffM2501 | a server side recording about the most consitent state you'll get |
| 17:09.50 | JeffM2501 | cus it's the one clock everyone goes thru |
| 17:11.06 | ToughShooter | What happens with the bullets when the people show a different lag in replay? |
| 17:11.11 | JeffM2501 | if we had synced client side clocks and timestamps on the messages we could do lag comps and get closer to the real time the message was sent |
| 17:11.33 | ToughShooter | Do they change position and can shoot a person in replay where he wasn't shot in real? |
| 17:11.38 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 17:11.46 | JeffM2501 | tho the deaths are stored too |
| 17:12.06 | JeffM2501 | so it may seem like it misses in replay, but a client said it hit and would show a boom |
| 17:12.13 | JeffM2501 | and replay would show the boom too |
| 17:12.19 | JeffM2501 | replay is not the best lag tracking tool |
| 17:12.24 | JeffM2501 | it just records events |
| 17:12.43 | JeffM2501 | it shows the game from one point of view |
| 17:12.46 | ToughShooter | I tried some simulation with really high lag (600ms), in replay I exploded more than 2 seconds after impact |
| 17:13.05 | JeffM2501 | that's the time the server finaly got your blow up message |
| 17:13.34 | JeffM2501 | the only other thing you could do is record the messages from a client |
| 17:13.38 | JeffM2501 | to get that client's point of view |
| 17:13.43 | JeffM2501 | but then we don't have that feature |
| 17:14.14 | JeffM2501 | what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 17:14.55 | ToughShooter | I want to look at tanks in GU league |
| 17:15.13 | JeffM2501 | the recording you see will not be the same as you would see as a player |
| 17:15.16 | JeffM2501 | not exactly |
| 17:15.19 | *** join/#bzflag madtux_ (n=madtux@24.18.18.191) |
| 17:15.30 | JeffM2501 | bzflag was not made for high lag situations |
| 17:15.39 | JeffM2501 | it was origonaly deisgned for low low lan lags |
| 17:15.42 | JeffM2501 | like 5-10ms |
| 17:17.12 | ToughShooter | There is a cheat going round and I have a few players under suspicion..I want some kind of idea how I can find out if they got shot but didn't explode |
| 17:17.41 | JeffM2501 | a recording of the match won't tell you much |
| 17:17.54 | JeffM2501 | as it dosn't mask lag |
| 17:18.05 | AlexandrTheGreat | uh...jeff? |
| 17:18.12 | JeffM2501 | there is no sure fire way to know what the client's gamestate was |
| 17:18.16 | JeffM2501 | if it was lag, or not |
| 17:18.25 | JeffM2501 | AlexandrTheGreat, ? |
| 17:18.33 | AlexandrTheGreat | would it help any for you to look to see what groups stumpgrinder was added to today or yesterday? |
| 17:18.40 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:18.47 | JeffM2501 | because we do not track that |
| 17:18.51 | AlexandrTheGreat | oh, ok |
| 17:19.00 | JeffM2501 | phpbb does not do audit trails |
| 17:19.05 | AlexandrTheGreat | i thought you could see his list of groups he's on now |
| 17:19.11 | JeffM2501 | I can |
| 17:19.16 | JeffM2501 | but I can not know when he was added to them |
| 17:19.41 | AlexandrTheGreat | could you see if GU.LEAGUE is one of them? |
| 17:19.52 | AlexandrTheGreat | since i know he does not belong there |
| 17:19.59 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 17:20.18 | AlexandrTheGreat | ok, then something is wrong...i'll check on human error part, ty |
| 17:20.29 | JeffM2501 | more then one person adds people to that group |
| 17:20.33 | AlexandrTheGreat | yes |
| 17:20.43 | JeffM2501 | so it's password is probably floating out there |
| 17:20.59 | AlexandrTheGreat | ok, ty |
| 17:24.32 | ToughShooter | Is the thief flag only buggy for me? When I use this flag first time in bz it re-spins the HD again and seems to load the data from disk, then the game continues to run |
| 17:25.08 | *** join/#bzflag L4m3r (n=Chris@s122-222.resnet.ucla.edu) |
| 17:30.41 | JeffM2501 | what data? |
| 17:30.52 | JeffM2501 | how much video ram is on your card? |
| 17:31.11 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Nidhoggr] by ChanServ |
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| 17:48.14 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: 128MB VRAM, and the data from thief flag (sound or visual effect) |
| 17:48.26 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
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| 17:48.35 | JeffM2501 | the texture would be loaded in your card's vram |
| 17:48.43 | JeffM2501 | the sound in ram as well |
| 17:48.50 | JeffM2501 | we don't realy do any disk caching |
| 17:48.58 | ToughShooter | 1.5GB DDR SDRAM for computer, non-shared graphics RAM |
| 17:49.08 | JeffM2501 | then it should not load |
| 17:49.14 | JeffM2501 | well load once |
| 17:49.25 | JeffM2501 | just like all the other textures and sounds |
| 17:49.42 | ToughShooter | I experienced it from time to time and always wondered what it is. Now I figured out |
| 17:50.24 | ToughShooter | Second use: No problem :/ |
| 17:52.46 | ToughShooter | And I got one crash with 2.0.7 on your mirror: http://pastebin.com/713862 (I assume something in downloading was wrong while joining the server) |
| 17:53.49 | JeffM2501 | well texures are loaded at first use |
| 17:54.28 | ToughShooter | No, it wasn't textures. I accidently pushed enter twice when trying to join as obs |
| 17:54.44 | JeffM2501 | you dided in add mark |
| 17:54.45 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 17:55.03 | JeffM2501 | look at the crash |
| 17:55.14 | JeffM2501 | it's in the trackmarks |
| 17:56.12 | ToughShooter | I chose obs, then joined the server and while it said "downloading.." I accidently clicked enter again (when it was in the process to join as obs) |
| 17:56.26 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 17:56.37 | ToughShooter | I was playing on another server before |
| 17:56.48 | ToughShooter | Didn't quit bz in between |
| 17:57.50 | ToughShooter | If one thing is right then it is that I am a wiered and confused player |
| 17:58.01 | gsnedders | is bz moving over to SVN? |
| 17:59.21 | JeffM2501 | not that I am aware of |
| 17:59.24 | JeffM2501 | why would it? |
| 17:59.38 | gsnedders | well, SVN has obviously been enabled |
| 17:59.42 | gsnedders | if you look at the sf.net page |
| 17:59.47 | JeffM2501 | it's been anabled for a long time |
| 18:00.00 | gsnedders | I don't look at SF pages very often :) |
| 18:00.07 | JeffM2501 | the SF svn service is rather new |
| 18:00.17 | gsnedders | I'm aware |
| 18:00.29 | JeffM2501 | our last discussion was to let the other projects load test it before we look at it ;) |
| 18:00.36 | gsnedders | but so far I've been to lazy to move my projects over to it |
| 18:00.45 | JeffM2501 | the new CVS service will share many features with the SVN service |
| 18:01.02 | JeffM2501 | SF has a good infrastructure |
| 18:01.07 | JeffM2501 | for the new stuff |
| 18:01.28 | ToughShooter | yeah, I read this in the email I got from SF as project admin, too ;) |
| 18:01.44 | gsnedders | about 5 minutes go |
| 18:01.46 | gsnedders | *ago |
| 18:01.48 | JeffM2501 | it does sound like they planed it well |
| 18:01.50 | JeffM2501 | so good for them |
| 18:02.00 | JeffM2501 | we'll just have to see how the transition goes |
| 18:02.05 | JeffM2501 | having to check out again, does suck |
| 18:02.08 | JeffM2501 | but it's minor |
| 18:02.13 | gsnedders | if we're gonna have to co again, that sucks :\ |
| 18:02.20 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (n=Birdie__@d51A46E43.access.telenet.be) |
| 18:02.20 | JeffM2501 | it's a one shot thing |
| 18:02.22 | gsnedders | then I have the fun of reapplying patches |
| 18:02.36 | JeffM2501 | if tha'ts all we have to do, to get it spread over 10 system. it's a minor anoyance |
| 18:03.24 | JeffM2501 | somone was working on a script that would fix nix style CVS dirs so you don't have to update |
| 18:05.19 | *** join/#bzflag JBGood (i=Johnq@JBAUMAN.RES.cmu.edu) |
| 18:06.04 | JeffM2501 | it's a one shot change |
| 18:06.07 | JeffM2501 | whopty do |
| 18:06.25 | gsnedders | my point is, who says they aren't ever gonna change it again? |
| 18:06.37 | gsnedders | not for a while, for sure, but sometime in the future |
| 18:06.43 | JeffM2501 | they may, but not on a super regular basis |
| 18:06.53 | JeffM2501 | if it's once a year, whopty do |
| 18:07.18 | gsnedders | too often, IMO :) |
| 18:07.20 | JeffM2501 | also now that it's tied to a single DNS per project, they can change the backend more with out us changing |
| 18:07.45 | JeffM2501 | even if they put them all back ont he same machine, they just move the DNSs and we don't have to checkout again |
| 18:08.01 | JeffM2501 | we only have to CO cus the host changed |
| 18:08.03 | JeffM2501 | in name |
| 18:08.17 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, if you want full controll over it, host it on svn yourself |
| 18:08.59 | gsnedders | it's not the control over it I want, it's just a SVN style switch command :) |
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| 18:09.26 | JeffM2501 | then change your projects to SVN |
| 18:09.30 | JeffM2501 | and you'll be done |
| 18:10.12 | gsnedders | your still missing my point. That means me having control over all CVS projects. What I want is a command in the CVS client |
| 18:10.41 | JeffM2501 | well then go add it to the CVS project ;) |
| 18:11.04 | gsnedders | :) |
| 18:11.15 | gsnedders | the response I expected from you, JeffM2501 |
| 18:11.22 | JeffM2501 | what other is there? |
| 18:21.17 | Mr_Molez | how do i put a box at an angle ? |
| 18:21.35 | JeffM2501 | around what axis? |
| 18:21.40 | JeffM2501 | like tilted up and down? |
| 18:21.51 | JeffM2501 | or just spin it? |
| 18:22.21 | JeffM2501 | cool anon cvs is working on the new stuff too, and is synced. :) |
| 18:22.27 | Mr_Molez | for example a box.. with ONE corner touching the ground and the rest of the box in the air |
| 18:22.56 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is 2.1 UNSTABLE, use for new commits || 2.0.8 to be released as soon as CVS comes back up and stability can be confirmed || Schedule List Server Downtime: 5-15-2006 @ 4:00PM (brief) || new cvs is bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net, and is anon synced |
| 18:23.07 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, you don't |
| 18:23.10 | JeffM2501 | use a mesh |
| 18:23.16 | JeffM2501 | boxes can't tilt |
| 18:23.16 | Mr_Molez | ah ok |
| 18:23.20 | Mr_Molez | thnx :P |
| 18:23.23 | JeffM2501 | just like tanks can't tilt ;) |
| 18:23.47 | JeffM2501 | can somone else try the anon and make sure? |
| 18:24.17 | Mr_Molez | k |
| 18:24.20 | Mr_Molez | ~cvs |
| 18:24.26 | ibot | cvs stands for concurrent versions systems. more info here http://www.cvshome.org/. The asterisk CVS can be found at http://asterisk.espia-net.net/horde/chora/cvs.php. It is also Giving.....you.....the.......source......one..........bit.........at..............a.....................time. |
| 18:24.32 | Mr_Molez | ~bzcvs |
| 18:24.33 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 18:25.08 | JeffM2501 | ibot no bzcvs is cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 18:25.09 | ibot | JeffM2501: okay |
| 18:25.25 | JeffM2501 | untill tim changes the dns :) |
| 18:25.44 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, can you update cvs.bzflag.org to point to bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net ? |
| 18:26.11 | Mr_Molez | well its downloading |
| 18:26.16 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:26.23 | JeffM2501 | it should have the new 2.0.8 graphic |
| 18:32.04 | JeffM2501 | it's cool that the new system includes 2 copies of everyon'es live data too |
| 18:32.22 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure in adition to mirrored drives |
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| 18:54.33 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Did you see http://bzflag.org/wiki/GettingHelp links to the man pages online, but those 3 links are broken nowadays. Can you make them work again? |
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| 19:02.19 | TimRiker | ~nslookup cvs.bzflag.org |
| 19:02.31 | *** join/#bzflag stumpgrinder (n=jambo@p508A6DD2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:02.33 | TimRiker | ~nslookup bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net |
| 19:02.41 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: done. |
| 19:03.26 | TimRiker | ibot: no bzcvs is <reply> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 19:03.28 | ibot | TimRiker: okay |
| 19:03.32 | SportChick | stumpgrinder: hi there |
| 19:05.42 | stumpgrinder | hello :) |
| 19:07.57 | stumpgrinder | Pimpi: ping |
| 19:10.12 | blast007 | ToughShooter: the links are now updated |
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| 19:21.29 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 19:22.25 | CBG | To get 2.1 from CVS, would I just use "-r v2_1branch" ? |
| 19:22.46 | gsnedders | surely you'd use nothing, as 2.1 is head |
| 19:23.11 | gsnedders | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P bzflag |
| 19:23.19 | CBG | ah, right. thanks gsnedders |
| 19:27.37 | ToughShooter | blast007: tnx |
| 19:34.27 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, cool, thanks |
| 19:35.33 | JeffM2501 | thanks blast007 |
| 19:35.55 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:37.20 | JeffM2501 | have people tested anon on the new system? is it working ok? |
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| 19:39.01 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/recordmatch/recordmatch.cpp: missing enum values in a switch |
| 19:41.24 | brad | seems fine.. it downloaded fine anyway |
| 19:41.33 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 19:41.52 | JeffM2501 | just hope it all handles the load form eveyrone madly geting there code all over SF :) |
| 19:42.08 | JeffM2501 | spread out over 10 machiens shoudl help tho |
| 19:42.26 | L4m3r | lol |
| 19:42.31 | brad | was it just one before? |
| 19:42.34 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:42.37 | L4m3r | "GAAAAH I NEED MY CVS FIX!!!!!" |
| 19:42.38 | brad | ah |
| 19:42.45 | L4m3r | *server crashes* |
| 19:42.49 | L4m3r | nooooooo |
| 19:42.52 | JeffM2501 | that's why we had to change hosts |
| 19:42.54 | L4m3r | lol |
| 19:42.59 | brad | ok |
| 19:43.01 | JeffM2501 | now each project's host points to the machine that we are on |
| 19:44.00 | trepan | JeffM2501: part of the reason I posted the little script to adjust the Root files :) (and to avoid recompilation as well as re-checkouts) |
| 19:44.18 | JeffM2501 | trepan, cool |
| 19:44.19 | CBG | yes, cvs seems to checkout fine |
| 19:44.31 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I updted the mac instructions on the forums too |
| 19:45.06 | CBG | mine or..? |
| 19:45.15 | JeffM2501 | the one that was sticky |
| 19:45.21 | JeffM2501 | don't remember who made it |
| 19:46.18 | JeffM2501 | hopefully we can get a .8 out this weekend, like on sunday |
| 19:46.29 | JeffM2501 | now that I can build tarbals ;) |
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| 20:06.54 | Gnurdux | why are files missing in the online repo? |
| 20:07.46 | blast007 | Gnurdux: care to elaborate? |
| 20:08.07 | Gnurdux | whoops, i clicked on the wrong dier |
| 20:08.09 | Gnurdux | dir |
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| 20:21.48 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, huh what? |
| 20:22.08 | Gnurdux | nothing, my bad |
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| 21:12.39 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10db/bzfls.php: Add define for mysql connection type. |
| 21:14.02 | menotume | For anyone who wants to 'convert' their existing cvs working dirs instead of re-checking out, use this script: |
| 21:14.02 | menotume | http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/fixcvsroot |
| 21:17.45 | JeffM2501 | trepan also posted a litttle thing on bzbb for that too |
| 21:18.58 | menotume | ohhhh |
| 21:19.01 | menotume | :) |
| 21:19.15 | menotume | ~lart trepan |
| 21:20.50 | Nidhoggr | hrm. my bz locks up in windows fairly frequently. |
| 21:21.13 | menotume | we don't support windows, sry, ask Bill |
| 21:21.16 | menotume | :P |
| 21:21.19 | Nidhoggr | lol |
| 21:21.37 | JeffM2501 | can you kill it? or does it just lock the machine? |
| 21:21.59 | Nidhoggr | can't kill it but my mouse still works. |
| 21:22.12 | Nidhoggr | can't control-alt-del to get the task mgr |
| 21:22.19 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 21:22.26 | JeffM2501 | laptop? |
| 21:22.31 | Nidhoggr | nope |
| 21:22.42 | JeffM2501 | what version? |
| 21:22.51 | Nidhoggr | 206 |
| 21:23.05 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 21:23.09 | JeffM2501 | could be a couple things |
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| 21:23.33 | JeffM2501 | you may want to try seting a frame rate limit, see if that help you kill it |
| 21:23.43 | JeffM2501 | to see if bz is using 100% of the CPU |
| 21:23.47 | JeffM2501 | or realy running |
| 21:23.58 | JeffM2501 | could be video driver related too |
| 21:24.00 | JeffM2501 | or video heat |
| 21:24.16 | JeffM2501 | or some but where we get stuck in a loop |
| 21:24.20 | JeffM2501 | bug |
| 21:24.39 | menotume | is this new for you Nidhoggr? |
| 21:24.41 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 21:24.44 | menotume | new fro 2.0.6 ? |
| 21:24.59 | Nidhoggr | I just d/l 2.0.6 the other day. |
| 21:25.12 | menotume | had the problem before that ? |
| 21:25.35 | Nidhoggr | don't remember... been using bz on my mac mostly. |
| 21:25.42 | menotume | ahh |
| 21:25.42 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have? |
| 21:25.51 | Nidhoggr | ati 9600 |
| 21:25.57 | JeffM2501 | current drivers? |
| 21:25.57 | menotume | Queen of Hearts |
| 21:26.31 | Nidhoggr | current from ms... not necessarily from ATI |
| 21:26.35 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 21:26.37 | JeffM2501 | so no |
| 21:26.40 | JeffM2501 | MS drivers bad |
| 21:26.43 | JeffM2501 | bad bad bad |
| 21:26.45 | JeffM2501 | evil |
| 21:26.49 | Nidhoggr | I'll try ati drv |
| 21:26.54 | JeffM2501 | there is no try |
| 21:26.57 | JeffM2501 | there is only do |
| 21:27.28 | JeffM2501 | ms drivers are always old |
| 21:27.36 | JeffM2501 | and often not properly accelerated |
| 21:28.43 | JeffM2501 | https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=293 |
| 21:29.39 | JeffM2501 | tho I've heard also fo people having to rollback to slightly older ATI drivers on the older cards recently |
| 21:31.54 | CBG | the man pages don't seem to be on bzflag.org anywhere - are they gone or just moved and I can't find them? |
| 21:32.56 | JeffM2501 | www.bzflag.org -> getting help |
| 21:33.04 | CBG | ah, found it... hidden as a link on the wiki: http://my.bzflag.org/bzfman.cgi |
| 21:33.15 | JeffM2501 | it' snot hidden |
| 21:33.24 | JeffM2501 | they are listed right on the getting help page |
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| 21:34.08 | A_Meteorite | Woohoo! CVS is back! :D |
| 21:34.19 | CBG | JeffM2501: yeah yeah.. :) thanks |
| 21:34.38 | menotume | how's the listserver today ? |
| 21:34.44 | menotume | any better than yesterday ? |
| 21:34.49 | JeffM2501 | seems the same |
| 21:35.18 | menotume | hmm |
| 21:35.26 | JeffM2501 | a tad slow |
| 21:35.31 | menotume | over 10 seconds at times ? |
| 21:35.32 | A_Meteorite | Well, actually, it seems partially back. :\ |
| 21:35.33 | JeffM2501 | but working fine as far as I can see |
| 21:35.38 | JeffM2501 | no not that long |
| 21:35.43 | menotume | ok :) |
| 21:35.48 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: it is for me sometimes |
| 21:35.49 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, it's not done yet, they are still doing it |
| 21:35.52 | menotume | yesterday, was 30+ seconds at times |
| 21:35.55 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:36.00 | JeffM2501 | then it' s better ;) |
| 21:36.05 | menotume | yay |
| 21:36.06 | A_Meteorite | heh... |
| 21:36.26 | JeffM2501 | they have 10 machines to get setup |
| 21:37.55 | gsnedders | Manu: ping |
| 21:38.03 | Manu | gsnedders, pong |
| 21:38.20 | gsnedders | Manu: for those snippets from the logs, is that him messaging Fred? |
| 21:38.27 | Manu | yes |
| 21:38.41 | gsnedders | Manu: just checking I'm right :) |
| 21:39.00 | Manu | :) |
| 21:39.16 | gsnedders | Manu: so it's that because he sent it to all, but it's a command? |
| 21:39.40 | Manu | it was a private message to Fred |
| 21:39.50 | gsnedders | that's what I thought, and said above. |
| 21:39.55 | Manu | but the server logs what the sender writes |
| 21:40.09 | gsnedders | yeah. |
| 21:40.15 | gsnedders | and he sent the command to all? |
| 21:40.33 | Manu | no matter, the message is private and only he can see it |
| 21:40.38 | gsnedders | I know |
| 21:40.45 | gsnedders | but I'm trying to understand the logs :) |
| 21:41.01 | Manu | probably he doesn't know how to send a private message in another way |
| 21:41.13 | Manu | :) |
| 21:41.16 | gsnedders | :) |
| 21:41.26 | gsnedders | nice… you can use that with player id |
| 21:41.28 | gsnedders | :) |
| 21:41.42 | gsnedders | in many ways easier than stopping, moving the mouse, then chatting |
| 21:41.55 | Manu | yes |
| 21:42.34 | gsnedders | why doesn't it work while using keyboard? surely if you've pressed the button to get into menu, arguably it should work. |
| 21:43.58 | L4m3r | is there any known fix to keep people from lagging through walls (other than thickening them)? |
| 21:44.26 | A_Meteorite | BTW, they use F5. |
| 21:44.36 | menotume | the F5 thing is fixed |
| 21:44.42 | A_Meteorite | Someone suggested putting a death element inside. |
| 21:44.54 | gsnedders | you'd just skip past that, surely |
| 21:45.02 | menotume | probably :) |
| 21:45.13 | Manu | menotume, yes but not for old clients :) |
| 21:45.17 | menotume | right |
| 21:45.33 | A_Meteorite | Yeah... I was hoping for some other map fix... |
| 21:45.34 | menotume | fixed in 2.0.5.x client, i should say |
| 21:45.45 | JeffM2501 | it does a little pause now |
| 21:45.47 | A_Meteorite | menotume: let me test that :) |
| 21:45.52 | JeffM2501 | the mini pause |
| 21:45.57 | Manu | yes |
| 21:46.07 | JeffM2501 | menotume, I think there are a couple places where it can still get thru |
| 21:46.14 | JeffM2501 | from what I have been hearing |
| 21:46.16 | gsnedders | fixed in 2.0.7, don't you mean? |
| 21:46.32 | SportChick | Happy birthday menotume!! |
| 21:46.33 | JeffM2501 | no the F5 thing was put in before .6 was released |
| 21:46.36 | A_Meteorite | totally useless |
| 21:46.41 | A_Meteorite | I can go through walls in 2.0.6 |
| 21:46.45 | A_Meteorite | with three F5s |
| 21:46.45 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: but after anon CVS went down? |
| 21:46.59 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, dosn't mater |
| 21:47.02 | menotume | hmmm, the fix worked for me |
| 21:47.07 | JeffM2501 | if you have code from then, it's not .6 ;) |
| 21:47.12 | menotume | i dunno about very thin walls |
| 21:47.18 | Manu | works for me but in 2.0.7 |
| 21:47.23 | JeffM2501 | like I say the pause fixes somethings |
| 21:47.23 | A_Meteorite | I beleive it's one or two units thick... |
| 21:47.32 | JeffM2501 | but not all |
| 21:47.36 | A_Meteorite | if you want to test it, go to boxy war |
| 21:47.37 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, try .7 |
| 21:47.41 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 21:47.46 | JeffM2501 | but I don't think it's any diferent |
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| 21:49.19 | A_Meteorite | I have to re-download 2.0.7 *sigh* |
| 21:49.25 | gsnedders | how can you check from the source what version you have? |
| 21:50.04 | brad | src/date/buildDate.css |
| 21:50.07 | brad | .cxx* |
| 21:50.36 | gsnedders | brad: thanks |
| 21:50.41 | A_Meteorite | heh, I wish you could code BZFlag in CSS ;) ... :O |
| 21:50.46 | gsnedders | :D |
| 21:52.48 | gsnedders | first time I've built BZflag in months… |
| 21:53.26 | bryjen | and .7 isn't a single revision like .2 or .4 or .6. that number is just a placeholder, something to call it between .6 and .8 |
| 21:53.52 | JeffM2501 | tho there arn't many changes between em |
| 21:53.55 | gsnedders | bryjen: I know how the numbering works, I just don't know where it's stored before being built |
| 21:54.52 | JeffM2501 | I am going to try to get .8 out by the end of sunday |
| 21:55.34 | gsnedders | :) |
| 21:55.43 | gsnedders | then I can move on to 2.0.9 :P |
| 21:55.52 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:55.56 | JeffM2501 | no more 2.0.x |
| 21:55.59 | bryjen | JeffM2501: don't say that too loud, you'll knock cvs over again ;) |
| 21:55.59 | menotume | release name: "mother's Day" ? |
| 21:56.01 | gsnedders | 2.2.0... nice :) |
| 21:56.02 | JeffM2501 | tho cvs will be taged 9 |
| 21:56.11 | L4m3r | Jeff, don't jinx it |
| 21:56.13 | L4m3r | :P |
| 21:56.15 | gsnedders | :D |
| 21:56.30 | JeffM2501 | there isn't enough stuff in .8 to make a big bug ;) |
| 21:56.31 | menotume | Now placing bets for release date of .10 :) |
| 21:56.35 | gsnedders | SF is reliable... just when it goes wrong it goes wrong big time :) |
| 21:57.05 | JeffM2501 | I can even build debians now ;) |
| 21:57.55 | JeffM2501 | I think I'll post AMD64 and I386 debians on SF this time |
| 22:07.25 | JeffM2501 | menotume, tim updated cvs.bzflag.org |
| 22:08.06 | JeffM2501 | oh i"ll push for a ship of 2.2.0 even if it's not ready before I see a .10 ;) |
| 22:09.04 | gsnedders | that's what we don't want :P |
| 22:09.14 | gsnedders | enough good software has been wrecked by shipping early |
| 22:09.36 | JeffM2501 | inovation has been wrecked by keeping an old verison alive too long ;) |
| 22:09.50 | JeffM2501 | if there is a super bug then yes we will do a .10 |
| 22:09.55 | JeffM2501 | I just think it's very unlikely |
| 22:10.29 | JeffM2501 | no new features are to go into 2.0.x |
| 22:11.28 | menotume | JeffM2501: ahhhhhh, kewl |
| 22:11.37 | Nidhoggr | I think new drivers helped. |
| 22:11.44 | Nidhoggr | on for a while and no crashie. |
| 22:11.46 | JeffM2501 | Nidhoggr, cool |
| 22:11.49 | gsnedders | mmm... the bullets are back from their lighter 2.0.5 ones :( |
| 22:11.57 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, yes |
| 22:12.00 | menotume | JeffM2501: ANd, my timebomb will force a .10 :) |
| 22:12.07 | JeffM2501 | the aditive blending didn't look good on daytime sky |
| 22:12.10 | JeffM2501 | so it was pulled |
| 22:12.16 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: I disagree. |
| 22:12.30 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, others agreeed |
| 22:12.33 | JeffM2501 | I put them in 2.1 |
| 22:12.36 | JeffM2501 | so do not fear |
| 22:12.52 | JeffM2501 | menotume, naw, it just means we'll have to work faster on 2.1 ;) |
| 22:12.56 | JeffM2501 | or some other fork |
| 22:13.08 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: :) |
| 22:13.54 | gsnedders | I take it if I do a CVS diff between the relevent revisions I can get them |
| 22:13.54 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 has evrything that is experimental in 2.0.6 as the new "high" and then some new expermental stuff |
| 22:13.59 | JeffM2501 | like the aditive blending |
| 22:14.01 | JeffM2501 | and the geolaser |
| 22:14.37 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, check the cvs commits for the term "aditive blending" there were like 4 places to change IIRC |
| 22:14.38 | L4m3r | I bet it looks sweet with AA |
| 22:14.42 | JeffM2501 | it does L4m3r |
| 22:14.49 | L4m3r | :) |
| 22:15.10 | L4m3r | BZFlag is the only game I can do AA on lol |
| 22:15.13 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10db/handycode.inc: Add define for mysql connection type. |
| 22:15.18 | JeffM2501 | I thought about making it "leak" engergy sparkles along it's lenthg too |
| 22:15.23 | JeffM2501 | as well at every intersection |
| 22:15.43 | L4m3r | I loved the little sphere orb thing at the intersections |
| 22:15.52 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, it's probbly the only game with low enough poly counts to work on your card in AA ;) |
| 22:16.02 | L4m3r | precisely. :( |
| 22:16.13 | JeffM2501 | 7300s are cheap ;0 |
| 22:16.16 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 22:16.39 | L4m3r | oh well, I may get set up with a catering job this summer, so... |
| 22:17.08 | JeffM2501 | "more shrimp sir?" |
| 22:17.23 | L4m3r | I think it'd be more along the lines of kitchen work. |
| 22:17.25 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: thanks. |
| 22:17.29 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, heh |
| 22:17.43 | L4m3r | hell, it can't be worse than working at Subway. |
| 22:17.57 | JeffM2501 | actualy it can |
| 22:17.58 | L4m3r | it'd probably pay twice as much too, from what I've been told |
| 22:18.00 | JeffM2501 | more money is at stake |
| 22:18.04 | JeffM2501 | mistakes cost more |
| 22:18.08 | JeffM2501 | more yelling :) |
| 22:18.12 | JeffM2501 | but probably more payoff too |
| 22:18.13 | L4m3r | heh |
| 22:18.25 | JeffM2501 | risk vs. reward |
| 22:18.37 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: wait... where can you search the logs? :P |
| 22:18.43 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, I dono |
| 22:18.46 | L4m3r | I dunno, I'm more prone to mistakes when rushed, which caused problems at subway sometimes |
| 22:19.00 | JeffM2501 | check the history on the shot scene node |
| 22:19.05 | JeffM2501 | should be one of those |
| 22:19.11 | JeffM2501 | cvs can show the history |
| 22:19.17 | JeffM2501 | tho I don't know how for command line |
| 22:19.21 | gsnedders | if you know what file |
| 22:19.22 | JeffM2501 | I just right click. |
| 22:19.28 | gsnedders | so do I :P |
| 22:19.31 | JeffM2501 | the bolt scene node |
| 22:20.12 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it was replacing GL_ONE_MINUS_ALPHA with GL_ONE in the blend def |
| 22:20.44 | JeffM2501 | but that's just off the top of my head |
| 22:22.09 | A_Meteorite | Found a bug.. no idea if it's fixed after 2.0.6 |
| 22:22.20 | JeffM2501 | many were not |
| 22:22.30 | JeffM2501 | many have existed for a long time |
| 22:22.33 | A_Meteorite | I can jump again if I hit tab while in mid-air |
| 22:22.38 | A_Meteorite | I just noticed that O.o |
| 22:22.48 | A_Meteorite | it auto jumps as soon as you hit the ground |
| 22:22.53 | L4m3r | uh oh |
| 22:23.06 | L4m3r | oh wait, I think I've had that happen |
| 22:23.14 | L4m3r | on really slow systems |
| 22:23.20 | A_Meteorite | Mine's fast |
| 22:23.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah there is no delay between land and rejump |
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| 22:23.46 | A_Meteorite | Woah, it only works in full-screen |
| 22:24.24 | A_Meteorite | actually, I narrowed it further |
| 22:24.25 | JeffM2501 | report what can be done to dupe it on SF |
| 22:24.32 | A_Meteorite | it only does that when you are in the middle of typing |
| 22:24.36 | JeffM2501 | the jump stuff needs to be looked at for 2.1 |
| 22:24.49 | gsnedders | line 139 of BoltSceneNode.cxx, if anyone cares |
| 22:25.01 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, that's not the only place |
| 22:25.13 | gsnedders | it looks fine... |
| 22:25.13 | JeffM2501 | find the commits for the same day, there were more then one file that had it |
| 22:25.42 | JeffM2501 | there is more then one type of shot ;) |
| 22:26.50 | gsnedders | *sees 04/08/06* *curses at US date* |
| 22:27.17 | JeffM2501 | you'll live |
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| 22:30.27 | gsnedders | why remove it, not just make it an option? |
| 22:30.43 | gsnedders | so those of us who want it don't have to spend ages looking for what's been changed? :P |
| 22:31.08 | JeffM2501 | it will be an option in 2.1 |
| 22:31.25 | gsnedders | but why isn't it in 2.0.x? |
| 22:31.26 | JeffM2501 | we were close to trying to get 2.0.6 done, so the less big changes the better |
| 22:31.36 | gsnedders | ah, alright. |
| 22:31.37 | JeffM2501 | cus it dosnt' realy add much to gameplay |
| 22:31.43 | JeffM2501 | and it was the "old" way for so long.... |
| 22:31.47 | gsnedders | it doesn't add anything. |
| 22:31.48 | gsnedders | :) |
| 22:31.51 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 22:31.54 | gsnedders | just nicer graphics, IMO |
| 22:31.55 | JeffM2501 | it it just got pushed back |
| 22:32.01 | JeffM2501 | some like it |
| 22:32.02 | JeffM2501 | some didn't |
| 22:32.27 | JeffM2501 | we know we are going to have more difrent options in 2.1 so it'll get worked in there |
| 22:32.35 | JeffM2501 | less options if I had my druthers |
| 22:32.56 | gsnedders | dangnamit! |
| 22:33.06 | gsnedders | it's not on bzflag.org, it's on some other site... |
| 22:33.08 | JeffM2501 | CIA would probably ahve it |
| 22:33.20 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: yeah, that's it |
| 22:33.22 | gsnedders | :) |
| 22:33.58 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: you talking about geolaser? |
| 22:34.10 | JeffM2501 | geolaser is one option |
| 22:34.12 | JeffM2501 | there will be more |
| 22:34.22 | A_Meteorite | Is that in 2.1 CVS now? (assuming sf.net has got to those commits yet) |
| 22:34.25 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:34.28 | A_Meteorite | ah ok |
| 22:34.33 | JeffM2501 | it's been in for a month |
| 22:34.35 | JeffM2501 | or more |
| 22:34.45 | A_Meteorite | goody, I gotta try that out :D |
| 22:34.57 | JeffM2501 | pray your card dosn't suck ;) |
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| 22:35.33 | A_Meteorite | heh, Radeon 9600 Pro 128MB |
| 22:35.48 | JeffM2501 | well that has some levels of suck ;) |
| 22:35.54 | A_Meteorite | :P |
| 22:36.02 | JeffM2501 | but it has a GPU so it shoudl be ok |
| 22:37.41 | gsnedders | this is driving me insane. I just cannot find them... |
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| 22:42.20 | gsnedders | if you can search SVN, I'm gonna go completely insane. |
| 22:42.38 | gsnedders | you can. |
| 22:42.40 | gsnedders | goddamn! |
| 22:44.36 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: are all the files in /src/geometry? |
| 22:46.38 | JeffM2501 | DON'T REMEMBER |
| 22:46.44 | gsnedders | OK!!! |
| 22:46.55 | JeffM2501 | oops capslock :) |
| 22:46.58 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:47.26 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: with you, it was hard to know if you were getting annoyed with my questioning :P |
| 22:50.24 | menotume | gsnedders: cvs log . | grep -A 2 -B 2 -i "tive blending" |
| 22:52.18 | gsnedders | menotume: only one problem: we don't actually get what file that is. |
| 22:54.11 | *** topic/#bzflag by TimRiker -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is 2.1 UNSTABLE, use for new commits || 2.0.8 to be released as soon as CVS comes back up and stability can be confirmed || Schedule List Server Downtime: 5-15-2006 @ 4:00PM (brief) || cvs is cvs.bzflag.org, and is anon synced |
| 22:54.41 | gsnedders | TimRiker: is it safe to use bzflag.cvs.sourceforge.net? |
| 22:55.08 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:55.23 | TimRiker | gsnedders: safe? sure. preferred? not really. |
| 22:55.23 | JeffM2501 | he just has cbs.bzflag.org always point to wherever it is |
| 22:55.26 | JeffM2501 | in case we move |
| 22:55.32 | JeffM2501 | if we move off SF for instance |
| 22:55.41 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: I know why |
| 22:55.56 | gsnedders | I just can't be bothered to wait for DNS to change |
| 22:55.57 | TimRiker | though the next likely change might be to svn instead. |
| 22:55.59 | JeffM2501 | tho if we change to SVN... |
| 22:56.10 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, would you make like "souce.bzflag.org" then? |
| 22:56.15 | gsnedders | searchable logs! |
| 22:56.47 | TimRiker | gsnedders: I think I had an 8 hour timeout. perhaps less. |
| 22:56.56 | A_Meteorite | I would love Subversion. |
| 22:56.58 | TimRiker | ~nslookup cvs.bzflag.org |
| 22:57.02 | gsnedders | TimRiker: It's always slow over here |
| 22:58.06 | menotume | gsnedders: well, find the revision, and get more info on it :) |
| 22:58.48 | gsnedders | just gimme searchable SVN logs! :P |
| 22:59.03 | JeffM2501 | dude it's a game, calm down :) |
| 22:59.12 | gsnedders | LMAO! |
| 22:59.23 | menotume | cvs has a log that you can search :) |
| 22:59.32 | JeffM2501 | cvs does lots of stuff |
| 22:59.35 | gsnedders | menotume: more complex to search than SVN :P |
| 22:59.44 | JeffM2501 | can probably shearch the new web cvs interface too |
| 22:59.54 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: sadly no :( |
| 23:00.29 | JeffM2501 | well maybe we can talk about swaping during 2.1 dev |
| 23:00.33 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: it seems to basically be just BoltSceneNode.cxx and BillboardSceneNode.cxx |
| 23:00.36 | JeffM2501 | after all the 2.0.8 releases shows down |
| 23:00.40 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, maybe |
| 23:00.50 | JeffM2501 | I don't have total recall of every change made |
| 23:01.07 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: neither does anyone |
| 23:01.20 | JeffM2501 | the smart way would be to get 2.1 and just search fore GL_ONE |
| 23:01.22 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 23:03.59 | trepan | it's only bolt and billboard |
| 23:04.23 | trepan | the real reason it changed is that I was in a pissy mood ;) |
| 23:06.04 | JeffM2501 | well I didn't want to SAY that |
| 23:06.11 | gsnedders | :D |
| 23:06.31 | gsnedders | devs are always the same, no matter what project they work on :) |
| 23:06.43 | trepan | the brightness vs. daytime is a real issue though, my version over here looks much nicer :) |
| 23:06.49 | JeffM2501 | I didn't feel like puting it in as an option before release, so I put it in 2.1 |
| 23:07.04 | JeffM2501 | to de-pissify it |
| 23:07.11 | JeffM2501 | trepan, it a shader there? |
| 23:07.24 | menotume | i learn a new word everyday here :) |
| 23:07.59 | JeffM2501 | at work they invented "balloonable" today |
| 23:08.22 | trepan | JeffM2501: yup, also did a non-shader double-render version |
| 23:08.36 | JeffM2501 | just blast it twice to make it stand out more? |
| 23:09.23 | trepan | the passes are differenec |
| 23:09.28 | trepan | s/ec/t |
| 23:09.53 | JeffM2501 | one aditive then one normal? |
| 23:13.52 | trepan | hm, i see sf bzflag proj has svn partially added |
| 23:14.19 | JeffM2501 | the link in the SF page? |
| 23:14.53 | trepan | http://sourceforge.net/svn/?group_id=3248 |
| 23:15.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah, everyone gets one by default now |
| 23:15.15 | JeffM2501 | we have the option of migrating |
| 23:15.25 | trepan | some other projs don't have it, might be that they haven't been updated yet |
| 23:15.42 | JeffM2501 | they can turn it off |
| 23:15.45 | JeffM2501 | in there prefs |
| 23:16.22 | JeffM2501 | since it's empty anyway |
| 23:16.31 | JeffM2501 | we could chose to move just 2.1 to it |
| 23:16.34 | JeffM2501 | and work on it from there |
| 23:16.59 | JeffM2501 | I have a test migration pending for OGF to see how it goes. |
| 23:17.08 | trepan | OGF? |
| 23:17.24 | JeffM2501 | lame "open gaming framework" I started once |
| 23:20.46 | JeffM2501 | if it gets jacked in a failed migration I don't care |
| 23:22.03 | JeffM2501 | ahh they disabled the migrations for now |
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| 23:22.58 | JeffM2501 | bahh, wrong X |
| 23:23.15 | trepan | clicky clicky :) |
| 23:24.13 | trepan | and on the flip side: cd ~; rm -rf ~/stuff/ * |
| 23:24.35 | JeffM2501 | at least I can re-open x-chat ;) |
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| 23:25.45 | trepan | the wrong click could also be nasty... |
| 23:26.02 | JeffM2501 | takes a couple clicks |
| 23:26.06 | JeffM2501 | but yeah |
| 23:37.48 | JeffM2501 | prety easy to copy code to SVN if you don't mind losing history |
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| 23:47.30 | gsnedders | doesn't SF.net have a way of migrating it all ovver? |
| 23:47.36 | SeaSharp | evening:) |
| 23:47.45 | gsnedders | I never got round to moving mine, as I said :P |
| 23:47.52 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 23:47.52 | SeaSharp | I am looking for a good map that needs hosting, will host for a month free on my new gameserver:) |
| 23:47.58 | JeffM2501 | but migration is disabled now |
| 23:48.09 | JeffM2501 | probably till they make sure CVS is working |
| 23:48.55 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, I'm going to see if we will be willing to just migrate over head for 2.1 |
| 23:48.57 | JeffM2501 | as a test |
| 23:49.19 | JeffM2501 | after 2.0.8 is done |
| 23:49.34 | JeffM2501 | asuming there is enough features to warant it |
| 23:51.07 | trepan | svn features? definitely worth migrating |
| 23:51.29 | JeffM2501 | also is SFs implemenation worth it |
| 23:51.37 | JeffM2501 | for what we do |
| 23:51.45 | gsnedders | searchable logs goodness… and being able to move files… and a million other things :P |
| 23:51.57 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, we don't move files offten |
| 23:51.59 | A_Meteorite | SeaSharp: I got one |
| 23:52.09 | JeffM2501 | and I'd like to know what those "million" other thigns are |
| 23:52.12 | trepan | just having the local copy diffing is a big bonus, immediate anon sync'ing, easy moves, etc... |
| 23:52.15 | JeffM2501 | instead of just SVN fanboy chatter |
| 23:52.29 | A_Meteorite | you can delete folders too :) |
| 23:52.32 | JeffM2501 | trepan, your CVS dosn't do local copy difs? |
| 23:52.34 | A_Meteorite | and anon is instant |
| 23:52.46 | gsnedders | anon will be instant on CVS |
| 23:52.47 | JeffM2501 | anon on CVS is now 2 hours |
| 23:52.48 | JeffM2501 | so not so bad |
| 23:52.52 | JeffM2501 | what are the backup options? |
| 23:52.57 | gsnedders | "Follow-up work is planned (this infrastructure takes us 80% of the way) to essentially eliminate the sync delay." |
| 23:53.11 | trepan | JeffM2501: nope, yours maintains a local clean copy of each file? |
| 23:53.14 | gsnedders | <- from SF.net email to project admins yesterday |
| 23:53.14 | JeffM2501 | the anon isn't a huge feature for me |
| 23:53.26 | JeffM2501 | trepan, no it just checks it when I do a diff |
| 23:53.38 | JeffM2501 | it'll get the last one and diff it from local |
| 23:53.40 | JeffM2501 | works fine |
| 23:53.56 | trepan | huh? |
| 23:54.03 | JeffM2501 | my client does it |
| 23:54.36 | trepan | my cvs client does diff too, but grabs the repo copy to diff against the local (if the file appears to be mod'ed) |
| 23:54.40 | trepan | svn works differently |
| 23:54.49 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: you can back-up svn |
| 23:54.59 | trepan | it keeps a clean local copy of all files separate from the working ones |
| 23:55.03 | JeffM2501 | working dif isn't the same as not having a feature ;) |
| 23:55.06 | JeffM2501 | but I understand |
| 23:55.12 | JeffM2501 | you coudl do diffs offline |
| 23:55.16 | JeffM2501 | that is a good thing |
| 23:55.22 | trepan | exactly |