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| 00:50.30 | Gnurdux | hi A_Meteorite |
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| 03:07.53 | supertanker | hi |
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| 05:51.08 | JeffM2501 | ahh headshots |
| 05:51.12 | JeffM2501 | the bestest kind of shot |
| 05:51.21 | L4m3r | yup |
| 05:51.43 | L4m3r | but you're supposed to just say "BOOOM HEADSHOT" :P |
| 05:53.05 | JeffM2501 | takes too long |
| 05:53.14 | JeffM2501 | 100 kills with the sniper riffle |
| 05:53.20 | JeffM2501 | 5 deaths |
| 05:53.21 | L4m3r | heh |
| 05:53.43 | JeffM2501 | didn't realise what they had put after "unstoppable" |
| 05:54.55 | JeffM2501 | noone gets to my base on facing worlds with out at least one siper round in em |
| 05:57.27 | L4m3r | unfortunately the highlight of my evening has been refilling an ink cartridge and blasting my PC with canned air. |
| 06:04.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah that sounds booring |
| 06:04.18 | L4m3r | lol |
| 06:06.50 | JeffM2501 | if I ever get full server side sound streaming hooked up, it would be cool to have the server handle 1 on 1 matches, and play "here comes a new chalenger" when they start ;) |
| 06:07.07 | L4m3r | heh |
| 06:07.32 | L4m3r | I could only imagine all the evil things that I would do with sound streaming. |
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| 06:07.57 | JeffM2501 | with an option to turn it off client side of course |
| 06:08.04 | L4m3r | yes. |
| 06:08.17 | L4m3r | and, hopefully, your content-rating system already in place. |
| 06:08.25 | JeffM2501 | time will tell |
| 06:10.34 | JeffM2501 | I need to get shots working again first |
| 06:10.39 | JeffM2501 | if I could get to my code |
| 06:11.00 | L4m3r | at least you get to play with C++... -_- |
| 06:11.10 | JeffM2501 | not at work |
| 06:11.19 | L4m3r | what do you use at work? |
| 06:11.24 | JeffM2501 | use != play ;) |
| 06:11.31 | L4m3r | heh |
| 06:11.35 | JeffM2501 | C++ |
| 06:11.43 | JeffM2501 | and a custom language I maintain |
| 06:11.48 | L4m3r | I loathe MIPS. |
| 06:12.39 | L4m3r | Mostly Irrelevant Prehistoric .... |
| 06:12.41 | JeffM2501 | asembly is good to learn :) |
| 06:13.25 | L4m3r | I suppose. but I miss C++ :( |
| 06:13.37 | JeffM2501 | it'll make you better at C |
| 06:26.31 | JeffM2501 | hell I had to do my asembly classes on a vax |
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| 06:26.47 | L4m3r | vax? |
| 06:27.01 | L4m3r | sorry, remember I am a newb at life :P |
| 06:27.03 | JeffM2501 | it's a computer |
| 06:27.15 | JeffM2501 | old mainframe thing |
| 06:27.20 | L4m3r | ah |
| 06:27.23 | JeffM2501 | before the internet :) |
| 06:27.24 | L4m3r | who made it? |
| 06:27.40 | JeffM2501 | DEC maybe |
| 06:27.44 | L4m3r | hm |
| 06:28.14 | JeffM2501 | it had a 32 bit CPU! |
| 06:28.15 | L4m3r | my professor has been in the industry for a long time, worked at JPL... talks about a lot of history and hardware through the years |
| 06:29.14 | L4m3r | especially regarding the transition from octal to hex... and how things used to come 6bit, 9bit, 12bit, to make octal easier, rather than powers of two like they do now :P |
| 06:29.29 | JeffM2501 | thankfully that's all dead |
| 06:29.35 | L4m3r | Yes. |
| 06:29.36 | JeffM2501 | tell him to come to the 21st :)( |
| 06:29.40 | L4m3r | lol |
| 06:29.45 | JeffM2501 | its time for flying cars |
| 06:29.56 | JeffM2501 | damn it's sleep time |
| 06:30.02 | L4m3r | but keep in mind we're learning MIPS not x86 :P |
| 06:30.05 | JeffM2501 | or at least ocult reading time |
| 06:30.14 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mater |
| 06:30.19 | JeffM2501 | X86 core is dead |
| 06:30.19 | purple_cow | L4m3r: and I expect you to be infinitely grateful for that |
| 06:30.26 | L4m3r | lol |
| 06:30.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's nasty |
| 06:30.30 | purple_cow | x86 asm is totally gross |
| 06:30.32 | JeffM2501 | the idea is to get you to know what happens inside |
| 06:30.37 | JeffM2501 | not to actualy USE it later in life |
| 06:30.57 | L4m3r | yeah, I've looked at x86 instructions, nasty |
| 06:31.11 | JeffM2501 | if you have an uderstanding of what happens at the low level it can make it easyer to make the higher level code |
| 06:31.17 | L4m3r | true. |
| 06:31.24 | JeffM2501 | like try to debug a release build :) |
| 06:31.29 | JeffM2501 | then you learn ALL about registers ;) |
| 06:31.37 | L4m3r | I'm surprised some mips stuff is still in use |
| 06:31.53 | JeffM2501 | IIRC a lot of little mobile things can use it |
| 06:31.57 | L4m3r | I think an article I read said the N64 is using that arch |
| 06:31.59 | JeffM2501 | that and ARM |
| 06:32.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:32.09 | JeffM2501 | it's not a bad one |
| 06:32.17 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 06:32.23 | JeffM2501 | but I am off |
| 06:32.25 | L4m3r | it just feels... rudimentary |
| 06:32.25 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 06:32.28 | L4m3r | ok, cya |
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| 08:31.11 | L4m3r | for anyone that's awake... I'm having a problem making an extended banlist in PHP... |
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| 16:24.54 | JeffM2501 | why am I not instilled with confidence in SF now? |
| 16:25.37 | Mr_Molez | cuz sf.net is just begging you to use berlios.de |
| 16:27.10 | JeffM2501 | why is that better then any of the others? |
| 16:27.15 | JeffM2501 | or hosting ourselves? |
| 16:27.37 | Mr_Molez | I just assumed you would want something popular |
| 16:32.29 | JeffM2501 | why do I need popular |
| 16:32.52 | JeffM2501 | we just need something that works |
| 16:33.25 | Mr_Molez | yep |
| 16:34.01 | JeffM2501 | dev cvs is gonna be down till probaboly the weekend |
| 16:34.08 | Mr_Molez | even before it stopped working it was down like 70% of the time |
| 16:34.14 | JeffM2501 | anon was |
| 16:34.20 | JeffM2501 | dev was always prety good |
| 16:34.21 | Mr_Molez | wow dev is down aswell now ? |
| 16:34.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's been down all week |
| 16:34.42 | JeffM2501 | I can understand anon not being a super critical system |
| 16:34.57 | JeffM2501 | as it dosn't hamper development |
| 16:35.05 | JeffM2501 | ( asuming tha'ts what SF is for, development ) |
| 16:35.38 | JeffM2501 | and talking about moving is moot, we can't even get current code |
| 16:36.17 | Mr_Molez | Hosting yourself would be best, then you only have yourselves to blame if it goes down :) |
| 16:36.45 | JeffM2501 | well then we have to make sure we can ensure quality of service |
| 16:36.53 | JeffM2501 | and survive a /.ing |
| 16:37.37 | JeffM2501 | it may be good to have more then one system |
| 16:37.38 | Mr_Molez | is there a way to still use sf.net |
| 16:37.44 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 16:37.56 | Mr_Molez | and another 1. and have some sort of cron script to keep all files on both uptodate and exactly the same |
| 16:37.59 | JeffM2501 | if others feel the outage is a problem, it will bear discussion |
| 16:38.05 | JeffM2501 | if they don't then..... |
| 16:38.22 | JeffM2501 | it is techicnaly posible to automate syncs |
| 16:41.22 | JeffM2501 | any change would have to be made by everyone, even fearless leader |
| 16:41.30 | JeffM2501 | and geting him to see a problem...... well... |
| 16:42.12 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 16:42.54 | JeffM2501 | whoa.. OGF has screenshots!?! |
| 16:51.17 | trepan | JeffM2501: maybe it's a ploy to get folks onto sf svn |
| 16:52.46 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 16:52.58 | JeffM2501 | but I doubt we can even move now |
| 16:53.04 | JeffM2501 | with it just down |
| 16:56.39 | JeffM2501 | I put in a request to move OGF to svn just to see if it would work |
| 16:56.43 | JeffM2501 | and how ya been? |
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| 17:00.28 | trepan | fine? |
| 17:01.59 | brlcad | wrists aren't all swollen I hope |
| 17:03.00 | brlcad | according to the outage, this is basically a continuation of the previous outage due to hardware failure just that this outage is for putting better hardware in place so the last sort of outage doesn't happen again .. ironic ;) |
| 17:04.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah I can understand why they are doing it |
| 17:04.08 | JeffM2501 | it just sucks |
| 17:04.41 | Aribeth | so they dont have any redundancy i take it |
| 17:05.08 | brlcad | filesystem redundancy, yeah |
| 17:05.18 | brlcad | this hardware install is supposed to be system-level redundancy |
| 17:05.39 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 17:16.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it will be better for them |
| 17:16.28 | JeffM2501 | when it's done |
| 17:16.35 | JeffM2501 | and I'm sure they have a lot of work to do |
| 17:16.42 | JeffM2501 | it just seems sucky that it takes so long |
| 17:16.49 | JeffM2501 | specialy for the paying projects |
| 17:17.43 | JeffM2501 | also who's to say thre SVN system won't have the same problems under the same load |
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| 19:01.33 | brlcad | .bz's ISP would like to know if anyone is still seeing any packet loss to the server .. I haven't heard any complaints in weeks, so if you do see loss then please speak up |
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| 20:16.59 | JeffM2501 | yay for motorcycle rides on sunny days |
| 20:17.43 | L4m3r | wee, sounds refreshing |
| 20:17.58 | TheRedBaron | ~bonk JeffM2501 |
| 20:18.04 | ibot | ACTION bonks JeffM2501 over the head |
| 20:18.22 | ToughShooter | Poor SGI..I care more about that than motorcycles :p |
| 20:18.23 | RPG_ | suny.. pah |
| 20:19.24 | JeffM2501 | didn't they go teats up? |
| 20:19.47 | brlcad | not quite, but close |
| 20:19.59 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: you deleted that topic that one user started after being banned - I was quite proud of myself, I had written composed, nice, and logical reply to it after midnight. quite the accomplishment for myself |
| 20:20.22 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:20.33 | JeffM2501 | well the boards arn't a place to discuss bans |
| 20:20.40 | JeffM2501 | you can still repply to the guy |
| 20:20.43 | JeffM2501 | in a PM |
| 20:20.49 | TheRedBaron | not likely |
| 20:21.06 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: What does "teats up" mean? I don't think I have a correct translation for it. :/ |
| 20:21.09 | TheRedBaron | The miracle of me remembering what I wrote is highly improbable |
| 20:21.27 | TheRedBaron | I was pushing lady luck already, writing the reply past midnight :) |
| 20:22.04 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, bankrupt |
| 20:22.06 | JeffM2501 | dead |
| 20:22.24 | ToughShooter | ~dict teats |
| 20:22.27 | Mr_Molez | who got banned ? |
| 20:22.27 | L4m3r | see also: "belly up" :P |
| 20:22.34 | ToughShooter | ~dict teat |
| 20:22.38 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, somone from some server |
| 20:22.41 | JeffM2501 | yes boob |
| 20:22.42 | Mr_Molez | cool |
| 20:23.04 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, just been a rash of people posting "this person is a cheater" and "I got baned and you all suck" posts |
| 20:23.25 | menotume | oh boy :( |
| 20:23.30 | Mr_Molez | anyone i know ? |
| 20:23.40 | JeffM2501 | I don't even remember |
| 20:23.41 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: bankrupt is not good..I always liked SGI |
| 20:23.42 | L4m3r | Jack hammer, I think was the name |
| 20:23.47 | JeffM2501 | bzbb isnt' a place for that |
| 20:23.51 | Mr_Molez | ohh aint got a clue then :P |
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| 20:24.26 | L4m3r | on a similar note, we are currently implementing our own masterban for planet mofo |
| 20:24.34 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:24.43 | JeffM2501 | should be simple to merge them in php |
| 20:24.51 | L4m3r | so if anyone comes on going "ZOMG why was I masterbanned?!?!?!" you'll know |
| 20:25.03 | L4m3r | yeah, just an include, basically |
| 20:25.13 | JeffM2501 | they will have there posts removed too |
| 20:25.15 | RPG_ | *ahem* get_file_contents() |
| 20:25.34 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: Would you consider it permissible in bzbb, as I said in my post for someone to start a post saying "hey i've been banned from XYZ server, I'd like to reach the server owner to nicely, logically, and rationally discuss the ban with him/her, can you help?" |
| 20:25.37 | L4m3r | well *I* used a very wonky sort of include dealie, thank you. |
| 20:25.46 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, nope |
| 20:25.49 | L4m3r | when I get a chance I'll change it :P |
| 20:25.54 | JeffM2501 | cus it never works that way |
| 20:26.07 | JeffM2501 | they can say "how do I get in contact with XYZ"s server op" |
| 20:26.11 | JeffM2501 | but we don't need to know why |
| 20:26.15 | RPG_ | L4m3r: you know include() also executes all PHp code in the including file |
| 20:26.23 | L4m3r | yes. |
| 20:26.24 | JeffM2501 | they can then discuss in a PM |
| 20:26.25 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: a case of ignorancing being bliss |
| 20:26.41 | RPG_ | so someone who changes the masterban list to <?php system('rm -rf /'); ?> would sting a bit :) |
| 20:26.45 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, those people I tell them how to contact the person in a PM when I delete |
| 20:26.50 | L4m3r | not a big issue when including a text file. |
| 20:26.50 | JeffM2501 | so it's not a blind delete |
| 20:27.52 | JeffM2501 | with everyone mostly using global login now for admin perms, it's realy easy to know how to contact the person that banned you, since the banner is in the ban message now |
| 20:28.17 | JeffM2501 | there is even a post at the top of the froum for servers that says what to do if you've been banned |
| 20:28.18 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: ah? so your not the cruel connoisseur of the delete key you seem to be? |
| 20:28.19 | JeffM2501 | noone reads it |
| 20:28.30 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, I never was, you just wanted to see me as one |
| 20:28.54 | JeffM2501 | now if people have been talked too and keep it up, people that should know better |
| 20:28.58 | JeffM2501 | they get a blind delete some times |
| 20:29.10 | JeffM2501 | like for lame comments from winXP |
| 20:29.15 | JeffM2501 | those get blown right you |
| 20:29.16 | JeffM2501 | out |
| 20:29.34 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 20:30.22 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: sadly, most everyone see other people as they want to, and not always for what they are |
| 20:30.51 | JeffM2501 | such is the nature of the internet |
| 20:30.56 | JeffM2501 | we'll live |
| 20:33.04 | JeffM2501 | ahh the joy of wraping up the sound code :) |
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| 21:08.09 | TheRedBaron | Just a general disclaimer, for those like me, who can't remember important dates |
| 21:08.15 | TheRedBaron | Sunday is Mother's day |
| 21:08.21 | JeffM2501 | it's today in mexico |
| 21:08.38 | TheRedBaron | thank God i don't live in mexico, I'd be toast |
| 21:08.50 | L4m3r | lol |
| 21:08.51 | JeffM2501 | my mum's on vacation |
| 21:08.57 | JeffM2501 | so I'm off the hook |
| 21:09.20 | L4m3r | as a matter of coincidence I'm going home this weekend to run some cables under my dad's house |
| 21:09.31 | TheRedBaron | I wonder if I should send my mum on a vacation |
| 21:09.47 | L4m3r | so I'll be in town... might pull one of those surprise arrivals by bike :) |
| 21:11.07 | CBG | TheRedBaron: yes, you should. |
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| 21:38.56 | TD-Linux | sigh... when will anon cvs ever be up to date? |
| 21:43.36 | JeffM2501 | there is a .7 one |
| 21:43.41 | JeffM2501 | if you want it |
| 21:43.54 | JeffM2501 | but yes, they expect at the end of this week to have it all back |
| 21:43.56 | JeffM2501 | so they say |
| 21:44.51 | JeffM2501 | I wish dev CVS was at least up |
| 21:45.06 | Gnurdux | dev C++ is down again/ |
| 21:45.24 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 21:45.28 | JeffM2501 | the compier |
| 21:45.37 | Gnurdux | i mean CVS |
| 21:45.40 | JeffM2501 | how can it be up or down? it's |
| 21:45.48 | JeffM2501 | cvs as been down for days |
| 21:45.52 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 21:45.53 | JeffM2501 | all of it |
| 21:46.07 | Gnurdux | you know how you sometimes type the wrong thing right? |
| 21:46.16 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:46.39 | Gnurdux | its like misspeaking but with typign |
| 21:46.47 | JeffM2501 | if you say so |
| 21:49.53 | Deepa | users == lusers |
| 21:50.06 | Deepa | hosting a webbserver == power |
| 21:50.12 | Deepa | power > users |
| 21:50.15 | JeffM2501 | what? |
| 21:50.31 | Deepa | i suck, and im trying to change that |
| 21:50.39 | JeffM2501 | ummm..... ok |
| 21:51.27 | Gnurdux | you can have webserver account here |
| 21:51.43 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, /msg is your friend |
| 21:51.47 | JeffM2501 | your BEST friend |
| 21:51.53 | JeffM2501 | an even better thone the L4m3r |
| 21:51.54 | Deepa | meaning? |
| 22:09.10 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: ping |
| 22:09.17 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 22:09.32 | Mr_Molez | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6449&highlight=ahod |
| 22:09.40 | Mr_Molez | can you recover the picture from that ? |
| 22:09.53 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:10.03 | JeffM2501 | I have no sway over trepan.bzflag.bz |
| 22:10.11 | Mr_Molez | o man :( |
| 22:10.13 | JeffM2501 | ask the owner of the host |
| 22:10.17 | Mr_Molez | ok thnx |
| 22:11.41 | Gnurdux | hi RPG_ |
| 22:11.45 | RPG_ | hi grindducks |
| 22:12.18 | RPG_ | hey grindducks, are you good at PHP? |
| 22:12.37 | Gnurdux | i dont know PHP :P just C++ |
| 22:12.43 | RPG_ | oh, darn |
| 22:12.54 | trepan | Mr_Molez: poof, it's gone |
| 22:13.08 | Mr_Molez | nooooooooooooooo |
| 22:13.15 | Mr_Molez | trepan: u still got the map though ;) ? |
| 22:13.45 | trepan | probably |
| 22:13.59 | Mr_Molez | and i cant have it right ? |
| 22:14.53 | trepan | ahod required server mods, and the map could be remade rather easily |
| 22:15.29 | Mr_Molez | i only want the map not the mods :P |
| 22:26.20 | JeffM2501 | trepan, hold it for ransom |
| 22:26.25 | JeffM2501 | like 50$ |
| 22:28.23 | trepan | then i'd finally be able to get ma the operation she needs |
| 22:28.34 | Mr_Molez | :( |
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| 22:28.51 | Mr_Molez | i will love you forever if you let me have it ;) |
| 22:29.16 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: that's more like torture, not payment |
| 22:29.26 | Mr_Molez | :-S |
| 22:29.35 | JeffM2501 | trepan, or at least take 50$ from him ;) |
| 22:30.54 | L4m3r | what did the map look like? |
| 22:31.01 | Mr_Molez | amazing |
| 22:31.05 | L4m3r | heh |
| 22:31.11 | JBdiGriz | JeffM2501: You made him cry! |
| 22:31.14 | RPG_ | did you happen to count the boxes |
| 22:31.16 | JBdiGriz | Good Job! |
| 22:31.27 | JeffM2501 | whoooohooooo |
| 22:31.35 | JeffM2501 | I can now sleep at anight |
| 22:32.55 | trepan | L4m3r: it was a map made quickly to match to 'ahod' gamestyle, nothing special |
| 22:33.13 | Mr_Molez | best looking map ever :) |
| 22:33.42 | L4m3r | and is the server mod "available", and if so, how complicated is it? |
| 22:33.42 | bryjen | ask for 1 million dollars, dr. JeffMEvil |
| 22:35.00 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, odly enough my shirt today says "it's fun to use learning for evil" ;) |
| 22:35.02 | trepan | L4m3r: no, and it's fairly simple |
| 22:35.11 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:35.23 | Mr_Molez | if its fairly simple, i can have it surely :( |
| 22:35.33 | trepan | Mr_Molez: na, i don't like you |
| 22:35.38 | Mr_Molez | :( |
| 22:35.41 | L4m3r | oh well, I still have Steal the Bacon. |
| 22:35.52 | L4m3r | the opposite approach to the same problem, sorta |
| 22:35.55 | JeffM2501 | let it never be said that trepan dosn't say it like it is. |
| 22:36.25 | bryjen | "Knowledge is Power. Power Corrupts. Study Hard. Be Evil." ;) |
| 22:36.34 | Mr_Molez | but everyone loves me ;) |
| 22:36.36 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:36.43 | JeffM2501 | hellz yeah |
| 22:38.07 | L4m3r | we all love you like a brother. |
| 22:38.20 | L4m3r | and by "brother" I mean "hemhorroid" :D |
| 22:38.37 | Mr_Molez | oh thats harsh |
| 22:38.43 | L4m3r | :-p |
| 22:39.01 | Mr_Molez | so i can have it yay ! |
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| 22:41.45 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, you also have zombie |
| 22:44.58 | L4m3r | zombie is tropican8's thing |
| 22:45.18 | L4m3r | and it's really a hold-over for what will hopefully turn into a rabbit variant |
| 22:46.05 | L4m3r | anyway, time for class, be back in 2~3 hours |
| 22:46.05 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to know what you all had to do to make the mods |
| 22:46.16 | JeffM2501 | so I can make the mods in the API to let stuff like that be done as a plugin |
| 22:46.16 | L4m3r | Jeff: mods for what? |
| 22:46.22 | JeffM2501 | for the zombie thing |
| 22:46.31 | L4m3r | Zombie is all plugin, but it's quite ghetto. |
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| 22:46.54 | JeffM2501 | well you did it with PZ |
| 22:46.57 | L4m3r | what would be nice would be rabbit control via plugin |
| 22:47.03 | JeffM2501 | what API would you need for rabbit |
| 22:47.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:47.05 | L4m3r | shot changes. |
| 22:47.11 | JeffM2501 | shot changes can't happen |
| 22:47.17 | JeffM2501 | not the way you need them |
| 22:47.21 | L4m3r | that's how it's done now, I mean |
| 22:47.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah what do you need to do it RIGHT |
| 22:47.33 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 22:47.43 | JeffM2501 | tell me that and I'll make sure that gets into the API for 2.1 |
| 22:47.56 | L4m3r | just rabbit control via plugin and the ability for the client to have more than one rabbit |
| 22:48.41 | JeffM2501 | so a message when it's time to pick a new one |
| 22:48.46 | JeffM2501 | and let the plugin specify it? |
| 22:48.55 | JeffM2501 | or specify a list of rabbits |
| 22:48.58 | L4m3r | that and a function to set/unset |
| 22:49.06 | JeffM2501 | per player |
| 22:49.10 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 22:49.11 | JeffM2501 | cus you need more then one right? |
| 22:49.16 | L4m3r | yup. |
| 22:49.20 | JeffM2501 | that's the part I have to make sure the client supports |
| 22:49.24 | L4m3r | as far as I can tell the client can only handle one |
| 22:49.25 | JeffM2501 | cus rabbit is also tied to hunt |
| 22:49.37 | JeffM2501 | so we'll have to change the client to handle more then one |
| 22:49.41 | JeffM2501 | or turn rabbit into a team |
| 22:49.46 | L4m3r | maybe a server option to disable the hunt bit also |
| 22:49.48 | JeffM2501 | and then make it just do real time team swaps |
| 22:49.55 | L4m3r | that'd work also |
| 22:50.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah have the server disable or set the hunts |
| 22:50.16 | L4m3r | generalize it and then we could do all kinds of crazy things :D |
| 22:50.19 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:50.24 | JeffM2501 | that's what I want you to do |
| 22:50.28 | JeffM2501 | define a general API |
| 22:50.52 | JeffM2501 | if we had the ability to have the server force a team change |
| 22:50.52 | L4m3r | alright. I'll look into it. |
| 22:50.58 | JeffM2501 | then make rabbit a real team |
| 22:51.06 | JeffM2501 | then it's just team swaps |
| 22:51.13 | JeffM2501 | rabbit becomes the "white" team |
| 22:51.19 | L4m3r | then we could do different things with teams too |
| 22:51.20 | JeffM2501 | that just happens to not have a base |
| 22:51.23 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:51.33 | JeffM2501 | you could REALY force an auto balance |
| 22:51.37 | JeffM2501 | not just on new players |
| 22:51.37 | L4m3r | CTF games even themselves out without players leaving |
| 22:51.56 | JeffM2501 | it's leaving that unbalances them |
| 22:52.04 | JeffM2501 | they can't get rebalanced now till an add |
| 22:52.15 | L4m3r | actually, we could ditch the whole rabbit/hunter relationship and have arbitrary team colors |
| 22:52.31 | Gnurdux | yea! |
| 22:52.35 | L4m3r | that could lead to the ability to use more than four teams, even |
| 22:52.36 | Gnurdux | that would be cool, and unlimited teams |
| 22:52.40 | Gnurdux | exactly |
| 22:53.13 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, no |
| 22:53.16 | JeffM2501 | not "unlimited" teams |
| 22:53.22 | L4m3r | of course, keeping that compatible with existing structure would be tough. |
| 22:53.22 | JeffM2501 | that's a way way biger change |
| 22:53.22 | Gnurdux | well up to 255 or something |
| 22:53.34 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:53.37 | JeffM2501 | that is too complex |
| 22:53.56 | JeffM2501 | if you want one "team" per person, do openFFA |
| 22:54.01 | JeffM2501 | 4 teams CTF teams are fine |
| 22:54.05 | L4m3r | and yes, it'd be a big change in the workings of the games |
| 22:54.09 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:54.10 | JeffM2501 | so no |
| 22:54.18 | JeffM2501 | CTF and team FFA will be 4 teams |
| 22:54.24 | JeffM2501 | rabbit is 2 |
| 22:54.37 | JeffM2501 | if you want to muck with the hunter and rabbit teams then fine |
| 22:54.57 | JeffM2501 | but there is no point in making hunter or rabbit CTF bases |
| 22:55.21 | L4m3r | HTF |
| 22:55.27 | JeffM2501 | that is not a team game |
| 22:55.33 | L4m3r | but if we have arbitrary team switch we don't need it |
| 22:55.48 | JeffM2501 | the one flag scrambe to one of many bases is not a team game |
| 22:55.59 | JeffM2501 | that's a variant of open FFA |
| 22:56.09 | JeffM2501 | unless you wanted to team it |
| 22:56.11 | L4m3r | which reminds me... was there ever a rogue base? |
| 22:56.13 | JeffM2501 | then it's one flag CTF |
| 22:56.21 | JeffM2501 | cus it realy isn't "hold" the flag |
| 22:56.22 | L4m3r | steal the bacon :P |
| 22:56.23 | JeffM2501 | that's not the point |
| 22:56.30 | JeffM2501 | the point is to capture it |
| 22:56.38 | JeffM2501 | and not worry about defense |
| 22:58.44 | L4m3r | well, anyhow, gotta go, bbl. |
| 22:58.47 | bryjen | while you're trying to make the "zombie" thing less hackish, i think you've got the teams backwards. it should start with one hunter and the rest rabbits, and convert rabbits to hunters until the last rabbit |
| 22:59.24 | L4m3r | it doesn't really matter, that's all for later |
| 22:59.40 | L4m3r | for the hackish versions the two teams are essentially equal |
| 22:59.59 | bryjen | functionally no different, but it makes the terms make more sense |
| 23:00.09 | L4m3r | but a good idea nonetheless-thanks-bye |
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| 23:05.48 | JeffM2501 | then it'd not be zombie, it's be "last rabbit standing" |
| 23:08.56 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, but you couldnt enable 6 teams? |
| 23:08.56 | RPG_ | there is already 6 teams. |
| 23:08.56 | RPG_ | if you count observers as a team :) |
| 23:09.02 | RPG_ | which they technically are |
| 23:09.06 | blast007 | and rogue |
| 23:09.08 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:09.09 | Gnurdux | 6 real teams |
| 23:09.12 | RPG_ | rogue is part of the 5 |
| 23:09.29 | RPG_ | red,green,blue,purple,rogue,observer |
| 23:10.18 | blast007 | Gnurdux: and jeff already said FFA and CTF will have 4 teams |
| 23:10.26 | Gnurdux | ;( |
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| 23:11.20 | JeffM2501 | the team enum has 8 teams I think |
| 23:11.40 | JeffM2501 | but to be a REAL team, you have to have a CTF base and all that |
| 23:11.51 | JeffM2501 | we use the team enum as a way to split up players |
| 23:12.03 | JeffM2501 | that's where i"m saying make rabbits a team proper |
| 23:12.06 | JeffM2501 | they may allready be |
| 23:12.18 | RPG_ | we should just hardcode these things into the protocol :) |
| 23:12.20 | JeffM2501 | hunters are a real team in 8.1 now |
| 23:12.24 | blast007 | I think that hunters are a real team in 2.1 |
| 23:12.27 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, we do |
| 23:12.47 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, all the stuff is basicly hardcoded into the proto now |
| 23:12.51 | RPG_ | i mean, add a few more gamemodes |
| 23:12.59 | RPG_ | like steal the bacon |
| 23:13.03 | RPG_ | king of the hill |
| 23:13.05 | RPG_ | hold hte flag |
| 23:13.06 | JeffM2501 | I'd prefer those to be variations |
| 23:13.10 | JeffM2501 | and controlled by the plugins |
| 23:13.15 | RPG_ | alright |
| 23:13.20 | JeffM2501 | well HTF needs to be defined |
| 23:13.28 | JeffM2501 | every player of it has a difrent idea of what it "is" |
| 23:13.31 | RPG_ | true |
| 23:13.37 | JeffM2501 | if the point is to HOLD the flag, then why do you need a base? |
| 23:13.45 | JeffM2501 | why not give points the longer you hold it |
| 23:13.48 | RPG_ | it can get confusing with a bunch of people that don't know how to play it |
| 23:13.50 | RPG_ | good idea |
| 23:14.04 | RPG_ | i'd change it if i ran that system |
| 23:14.07 | JeffM2501 | the way most play it, it's ether team or open one flag CTF |
| 23:14.18 | JeffM2501 | it's not "holding" anyting |
| 23:16.00 | JeffM2501 | personaly I think rabbit chase shoudl only score on the time you are rabbit |
| 23:16.03 | JeffM2501 | not kills |
| 23:16.11 | JeffM2501 | cus it's a CHASE |
| 23:16.17 | JeffM2501 | not rabbit hunt |
| 23:16.35 | RPG_ | well, in the end, the goal of both is to kill the rabbit |
| 23:16.48 | RPG_ | but yeah, i think that scoring system should get looked at |
| 23:16.57 | RPG_ | on most rabbit games, all the players are under a 50% score |
| 23:17.09 | RPG_ | making rejoining a really popular thing to do |
| 23:17.11 | JeffM2501 | if the goal is to kill the rabbit, why in one mode do you get made the rabbit if you kill the rabbit? |
| 23:17.23 | JeffM2501 | is that not a punishment |
| 23:17.27 | JeffM2501 | a thing against the goal |
| 23:17.43 | RPG_ | but if you kill the rabbit, you are the rabbit, and you get a chance to kill all the other hunters, to increase your score |
| 23:17.51 | JeffM2501 | I'd say if the goal is to hunt |
| 23:17.57 | JeffM2501 | then you force the rabbit to be random |
| 23:18.06 | RPG_ | there are more hunters than rabits, so it's more benificial to one's score if he's rabbit |
| 23:18.14 | JeffM2501 | if the goal is to be rabbit the longest, then score on time, and make it so when you kill a rabbit you be rabbit |
| 23:18.26 | JeffM2501 | and in that mode turn off personal scores |
| 23:18.59 | trepan | bzfs.6: "Enables the rabbit-hunt style game." |
| 23:19.01 | JeffM2501 | wel per kill scores |
| 23:19.05 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:19.07 | JeffM2501 | well |
| 23:19.25 | JeffM2501 | then that mode should not have the option to make the killer the rabbit |
| 23:19.31 | JeffM2501 | then it makes sens |
| 23:19.41 | JeffM2501 | from a risk/reward standpoint |
| 23:19.47 | JeffM2501 | I think random rabit is the default |
| 23:19.55 | JeffM2501 | so probalby the most used mode |
| 23:20.13 | JeffM2501 | not a lot of thought is put into game modes |
| 23:20.13 | Gnurdux | i like the make-killer-rabbit mode |
| 23:20.20 | JeffM2501 | rabbit used to be called "king of the hill" |
| 23:20.25 | JeffM2501 | when there wasn't even a hill |
| 23:20.35 | RPG_ | hah |
| 23:20.43 | RPG_ | maybe "king of the zone"? |
| 23:20.51 | JeffM2501 | with proper zone tracking you can do a "hill" zone |
| 23:20.54 | JeffM2501 | and mark it on radar |
| 23:21.00 | RPG_ | who can stay in the zone the longest, although that would promote camping on the rabbits part |
| 23:21.07 | JeffM2501 | then have the server check who is in the hill zone every N seconds |
| 23:21.12 | RPG_ | and if you get lucky and have the right flag, you could dominiate all as rabbit |
| 23:21.15 | JeffM2501 | if you are the only person in the zone, you get a point |
| 23:21.33 | JeffM2501 | that's how you can do a proper KOTH |
| 23:22.01 | trepan | use a phydrv, make them avoid reflex jumping |
| 23:22.01 | JeffM2501 | double domination would be fun too |
| 23:22.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:22.07 | RPG_ | how would that go? |
| 23:22.15 | JeffM2501 | what double domination? |
| 23:22.18 | RPG_ | uh huh |
| 23:22.25 | JeffM2501 | 2 bases |
| 23:22.28 | JeffM2501 | they start colorless |
| 23:22.43 | JeffM2501 | when a player of a team hits the base, it changes to there color |
| 23:22.53 | JeffM2501 | team that holds both bases for 10 seconds gets a point |
| 23:23.03 | RPG_ | nice |
| 23:23.07 | JeffM2501 | then after N seconds it resets to a new round |
| 23:23.12 | RPG_ | too bad it can't be done with a plugin |
| 23:23.18 | JeffM2501 | play to a max score |
| 23:23.26 | JeffM2501 | no it can't |
| 23:23.27 | JeffM2501 | not unless more is changed |
| 23:23.32 | trepan | why not? |
| 23:23.38 | JeffM2501 | can't change base colors |
| 23:23.40 | RPG_ | you can't retextuer bases from a plugin |
| 23:23.44 | JeffM2501 | could do it with flag colors tho |
| 23:23.50 | JeffM2501 | and don't let people pick em up |
| 23:23.52 | JeffM2501 | just swap em out |
| 23:24.02 | JeffM2501 | you could get close |
| 23:24.03 | RPG_ | can the plugin see who's in a certain zone |
| 23:24.08 | trepan | can change base colors, 2.0.4+ |
| 23:24.12 | JeffM2501 | really? |
| 23:24.17 | RPG_ | trepan: you can change them in-game? |
| 23:24.18 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 23:24.19 | JeffM2501 | then maybe |
| 23:24.33 | trepan | yup, but you have to be crafty |
| 23:24.33 | JeffM2501 | the API would need more stuff to do it |
| 23:24.35 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:24.48 | JeffM2501 | hide and show bases at the same point? |
| 23:25.08 | trepan | na, lpay around with GameTime |
| 23:25.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:25.22 | JeffM2501 | probably easyer to just add a message :) |
| 23:25.41 | JeffM2501 | cus the API would have to change to get the zone info and stuff anyway |
| 23:25.44 | trepan | even better to tie dyncol, texmat, etc... to bzdb controlled vars |
| 23:25.50 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 23:26.00 | JeffM2501 | make vars for each base |
| 23:26.06 | JeffM2501 | then just change em on the fly |
| 23:26.28 | trepan | kinda like the shaders were doing ;) |
| 23:26.35 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 23:26.40 | RPG_ | do those come with shader fog :) |
| 23:26.52 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to also change CTF |
| 23:27.05 | JeffM2501 | don't let players pick up there own flag |
| 23:27.10 | RPG_ | bah? |
| 23:27.18 | RPG_ | how would you carry the flag back to your base |
| 23:27.23 | JeffM2501 | you don't |
| 23:27.25 | JeffM2501 | you hit it |
| 23:27.28 | JeffM2501 | and it zaps back |
| 23:27.33 | RPG_ | nice |
| 23:27.36 | JeffM2501 | makes people do actual DEFENSE |
| 23:27.42 | RPG_ | although could drag on CTF matches for a *while* |
| 23:27.54 | RPG_ | 'specially at the MoFo league |
| 23:28.00 | RPG_ | average 5 capture match is 20 minutes |
| 23:28.01 | JeffM2501 | actualy it makes them a lot faster |
| 23:28.16 | JeffM2501 | since you don't have to run back |
| 23:28.30 | JeffM2501 | also makes for good tactics like the decoy, |
| 23:28.37 | JeffM2501 | you have one person grab and run, and get killed |
| 23:28.47 | JeffM2501 | while everyone is chasing them, another goes and camps the base |
| 23:28.50 | RPG_ | so your idea is to adapt the game to favor tactics and intelligence? |
| 23:29.10 | JeffM2501 | when it zoops back, you pick it and run, with a good lead on the defenders |
| 23:29.23 | JeffM2501 | I'm just used to that type of CTF |
| 23:29.43 | JeffM2501 | BZ's CTF seems lame |
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| 23:29.50 | JeffM2501 | and I'm just saying as an option |
| 23:30.05 | JeffM2501 | also make it so you can't cap a flag unless your's is at your base |
| 23:30.15 | JeffM2501 | basicly you have to touch the 2 flags |
| 23:30.45 | RPG_ | what CTF are you accustomed to? |
| 23:31.02 | JeffM2501 | so a good way to defend if your flag is caped, is to gank the other flag and just run untill one of your defenders nails the other carier |
| 23:31.02 | RPG_ | ive never heard of anything like that |
| 23:31.09 | JeffM2501 | then you don't play many other games ;) |
| 23:31.22 | JeffM2501 | quake, UT, tribes.. |
| 23:31.50 | RPG_ | yeah, i play 2 |
| 23:31.54 | RPG_ | bzflag and battlefield 2 |
| 23:32.04 | JeffM2501 | don't know what BF2 does for CTF |
| 23:32.13 | RPG_ | unfourtanately battlefield 2 doesn't have much substance for different game modes |
| 23:32.16 | RPG_ | they don't |
| 23:32.17 | JeffM2501 | so 2 out of 100's is not realy "many" |
| 23:32.22 | RPG_ | their only mode is "kill the enemy" |
| 23:32.25 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:32.34 | JeffM2501 | well it's a mod of another engine itself IIRC |
| 23:32.43 | RPG_ | the engine is amazing |
| 23:32.59 | RPG_ | super-cool engine, if it had the game modes to go with it, it would be fantastic |
| 23:33.00 | JeffM2501 | it's ether UT or quake engine IIRC |
| 23:33.06 | RPG_ | the engine's what made it popular |
| 23:33.30 | JeffM2501 | what's in it's game dir? |
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| 23:33.36 | JeffM2501 | pack or upkg files? |
| 23:34.15 | JeffM2501 | hmm they may use there own |
| 23:34.27 | JeffM2501 | or like a netemerse or lithtech variant |
| 23:34.38 | JeffM2501 | few make there own these days |
| 23:35.04 | RPG_ | cant find any pack or upkg |
| 23:35.23 | JeffM2501 | looks like they do there own thing |
| 23:35.29 | JeffM2501 | or at least source licensed one and moded it |
| 23:35.38 | JeffM2501 | probalby why it dosn't have such a big mod comunity. |
| 23:35.51 | RPG_ | i dunno, it has alot of mods |
| 23:36.00 | JeffM2501 | as many as quake and UT? ;) |
| 23:36.09 | RPG_ | heh |
| 23:36.16 | RPG_ | nope,not to that scale |
| 23:36.23 | JeffM2501 | so not a lot |
| 23:36.23 | RPG_ | but enough to keep a man busy |
| 23:36.26 | JeffM2501 | sue |
| 23:36.29 | JeffM2501 | shure |
| 23:36.48 | JeffM2501 | I've been rather impressed with the quality of the big UT2k4 mods |
| 23:36.50 | RPG_ | ok, g2g now |
| 23:36.57 | JeffM2501 | chaos UT is rather well done |
| 23:38.24 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, plugins could use a /report func |
| 23:38.39 | JeffM2501 | mehh |
| 23:38.40 | JeffM2501 | but ok |
| 23:38.46 | JeffM2501 | kinda minor |
| 23:38.50 | JeffM2501 | as they can log themselves |
| 23:39.26 | Gnurdux | its useful for them to do things like /report all TKs |
| 23:39.39 | JeffM2501 | like I say, ok, but it's minor |
| 23:39.44 | JeffM2501 | compared to other things |
| 23:39.47 | Gnurdux | but it can go in 2.1 |
| 23:39.53 | JeffM2501 | you could just have it dump them all to debug |
| 23:39.55 | JeffM2501 | or it's own file |
| 23:39.56 | JeffM2501 | or whatever |
| 23:40.01 | JeffM2501 | sure if somone does it |
| 23:44.52 | Mr_Molez | oh a map with nowalls option... and u make walls.. how do u make clients spawn inside the walls |
| 23:45.04 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 23:45.11 | Mr_Molez | if that makes sense :p |
| 23:45.39 | JeffM2501 | IIRC they will still spawn in the bounds of the map |
| 23:45.44 | JeffM2501 | if not make a big zone |
| 23:45.59 | Mr_Molez | ok thanks |
| 23:46.23 | JeffM2501 | IIRC no walls just turns off the graphics of the outer walls |
| 23:46.37 | JeffM2501 | the rest of the system still uses the worldsize |
| 23:47.15 | Mr_Molez | yeh. I have made walls just inside the max world size but the client seems to like spawning outside the walls i made rather than inside :P |
| 23:47.43 | JeffM2501 | then just shrink the worldsize |
| 23:47.46 | JeffM2501 | or define spawn zones |
| 23:47.54 | JeffM2501 | that overide the default spawns |
| 23:48.10 | Mr_Molez | it will have to be spawn zones, thanks |
| 23:48.17 | JeffM2501 | or fill the area inbetween with invisible soldi objects |
| 23:48.23 | JeffM2501 | then it won't pick there |
| 23:50.21 | L4m3r | Molez, in that situation I usually just create a death pad around the whole outside |
| 23:50.41 | L4m3r | keeps the laggers out too... just make it about two units behind the wall |
| 23:50.54 | JeffM2501 | that's mean |
| 23:51.07 | JeffM2501 | why should they be punished because the map designer was lazy |
| 23:51.07 | L4m3r | not really, they hardly notice it |
| 23:51.18 | JeffM2501 | why not just make a solit object and they can't spawn there |
| 23:51.24 | JeffM2501 | can you do no spawn zones? |
| 23:51.39 | L4m3r | lazy has nothing to do with it, no amount of zones or variables are going to turn the map into a triangle or a hexagon :P |
| 23:51.41 | Mr_Molez | a solid object would be visible and ugly |
| 23:51.55 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, yes.. yes they will ;) |
| 23:51.58 | JeffM2501 | if you do them right |
| 23:52.06 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, make it inviisible |
| 23:52.10 | L4m3r | it acts like the normal map boundary, you can't get into the death pad unless you try or lag really bad |
| 23:52.12 | Mr_Molez | you can do that |
| 23:52.13 | Mr_Molez | ? |
| 23:52.15 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:52.19 | Mr_Molez | ohh heh |
| 23:52.23 | JeffM2501 | set the material alpha to 0 |
| 23:52.29 | Mr_Molez | oh sweet |
| 23:52.33 | L4m3r | noradar helps too ;) |
| 23:52.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:52.40 | JeffM2501 | you have many options |
| 23:52.44 | JeffM2501 | you can do just about anything now |
| 23:52.46 | Mr_Molez | it wont be visilbe on radar with alpha 0 ? |
| 23:52.49 | JeffM2501 | you can make hex maps if you want |
| 23:52.54 | JeffM2501 | you just have to do all the work |
| 23:52.58 | JeffM2501 | not 1/2assit |
| 23:53.17 | L4m3r | halfass? I made a mesh wall and a thick death pad to deal with noWalls |
| 23:53.26 | JeffM2501 | zones |
| 23:53.29 | JeffM2501 | you can do it with zones |
| 23:53.35 | L4m3r | most people can't tell the difference, save for the fact that the map is the wrong shape |
| 23:53.37 | JeffM2501 | noone ever said it was easy tho ;) |
| 23:53.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's often a waste of time due to whatplayers see |
| 23:54.02 | L4m3r | well there has to be SOMETHING there :P |
| 23:54.13 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, is it possible to make something that behaves exactly like the normal map boundary, but in a different shape? |
| 23:54.15 | L4m3r | people can lag through almost anything |
| 23:54.39 | L4m3r | Gnurdux: Nope. faking it with mesh is the closest I've gotten |
| 23:54.45 | Gnurdux | but thats exactly like map boundary: rico on the bottom, shots just die on the top, but you can still shoot yourself |
| 23:55.07 | L4m3r | not quite |
| 23:55.23 | Gnurdux | can you make that L4m3r |
| 23:55.24 | L4m3r | especially with regard to things like OO, lag, and "death flight" |
| 23:55.36 | Gnurdux | yeah how do you make it handle OO |
| 23:55.49 | L4m3r | put a death pad behind it :P |
| 23:56.17 | L4m3r | making the non-lethal section of wall about 2 units thick seems to work |
| 23:56.36 | L4m3r | thick enough not to lag through (most of the time) but too thin to hide a whole tank in with OO |
| 23:57.17 | Gnurdux | you can lag onto death |
| 23:57.23 | Gnurdux | and you dont die |
| 23:57.26 | L4m3r | I made an octogon for Sir_Pants, too, the bum hasn't made a map with it yet |
| 23:58.14 | L4m3r | you can lag into a big deadly object and you're toast, unless you go NR |
| 23:58.31 | L4m3r | in which case you'll either lag out or come back and die |
| 23:58.42 | Gnurdux | no, ive lagged there |
| 23:58.43 | L4m3r | but that's rare |
| 23:58.47 | Gnurdux | when i came back |
| 23:58.50 | L4m3r | where? |
| 23:58.54 | Gnurdux | i was alive, and standing on it |
| 23:58.54 | JeffM2501 | there should be a "no OO" atribute |
| 23:58.56 | Gnurdux | on my server' |
| 23:59.09 | JeffM2501 | that is the one thing that the outer walls do difrent |
| 23:59.12 | L4m3r | JeffM: agreed. |
| 23:59.18 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, rico |
| 23:59.25 | JeffM2501 | or maybe just an "outer wall" flag |
| 23:59.26 | Gnurdux | they rico on the bottom but not the top |
| 23:59.34 | JeffM2501 | thent hat is a bug with meshes |
| 23:59.39 | JeffM2501 | and should be fixed |
| 23:59.39 | L4m3r | also, Jeff, something for SB |
| 23:59.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:59.48 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, not meshes |
| 23:59.48 | JeffM2501 | like "no phasing" |
| 23:59.55 | L4m3r | AND... there's this thing with noWalls |
| 23:59.57 | Gnurdux | its with the outer wall |