| 00:05.22 | *** join/#bzflag ruskie (i=1030@sourcemage/mage/ruskie) |
| 00:21.52 | Gnurdux | hey i just found a big bug |
| 00:22.08 | Gnurdux | shot limits for PZ: if it drops the flag when your zoned, and you pick another one up, your still zoned |
| 00:24.30 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, thats an immediate major problem |
| 00:24.37 | Gnurdux | how can it be fixed in 2.0.x? |
| 00:26.54 | JeffM2501 | guu is buested |
| 00:27.07 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, no |
| 00:27.16 | JeffM2501 | if it's been busted like that for years... no |
| 00:27.23 | Gnurdux | hmm' |
| 00:27.25 | Tupone | fix will be not giving PZ a shot limit |
| 00:27.30 | Gnurdux | aww |
| 00:28.01 | Gnurdux | cause i just made a plugin where zoned tanks shoot SBs, and it kinda needs a plugin :P |
| 00:28.19 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, it won't change the shoting player's shots |
| 00:28.30 | Gnurdux | thats unimportant |
| 00:28.38 | Tupone | Gnurdux: that hook to change shot should be removed |
| 00:28.41 | Gnurdux | because SBs and PZs neither can cause blow myself ups |
| 00:29.04 | A_Meteorite | Gnurdux: ping |
| 00:29.11 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite: pong |
| 00:29.14 | Gnurdux | i have a plugin for you |
| 00:29.22 | A_Meteorite | yes, MOTD? |
| 00:29.22 | Gnurdux | theme97 said you wanted it |
| 00:29.24 | Gnurdux | MOTD |
| 00:29.24 | Gnurdux | yep |
| 00:29.25 | A_Meteorite | It doesn't work right |
| 00:29.29 | Gnurdux | mine doesnt? |
| 00:29.36 | Gnurdux | which one do you have? when did you get it? |
| 00:29.37 | A_Meteorite | It outputs the same message three times. |
| 00:29.44 | A_Meteorite | Like a half hour ago |
| 00:29.47 | Gnurdux | oh ok |
| 00:30.09 | Gnurdux | well how are you using it? |
| 00:30.13 | Gnurdux | what line do you use to load it? |
| 00:30.19 | *** join/#bzflag Theme97 (n=Theme97@ppp-68-120-83-159.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 00:30.24 | A_Meteorite | -loadplugin motd.so,motd.txt |
| 00:30.35 | Gnurdux | what are the contents of motd.txt |
| 00:30.41 | A_Meteorite | This is a test announcement, eat your heart out. Go away! |
| 00:30.44 | Theme97 | "This is a test announcement, eat your heart out. Go away!" |
| 00:30.45 | Theme97 | ... |
| 00:30.46 | A_Meteorite | It repeats that three times. |
| 00:30.47 | Theme97 | Argh. |
| 00:30.48 | Gnurdux | lemme go to the server |
| 00:30.58 | A_Meteorite | 69.229.201.169:5154 |
| 00:31.27 | Gnurdux | wierd |
| 00:33.16 | Gnurdux | lol that was funny: you loaded it 3 times |
| 00:38.48 | *** join/#bzflag codergeek42 (n=peter@gentoo/developer/codergeek42) |
| 00:39.03 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I have started removing that for 2.1 |
| 00:39.06 | JeffM2501 | it's a bad hook |
| 00:39.14 | Tupone | yep |
| 00:39.14 | JeffM2501 | better to tell the player what kind of shots it's making |
| 00:39.17 | Gnurdux | it lets you do fun stuff tho |
| 00:39.28 | JeffM2501 | yes Gnurdux but there are better ways to do the fun stuff |
| 00:39.33 | L4m3r | so for 2.1 we'll be able to do the same thing with the new system, right? |
| 00:39.34 | Gnurdux | such as? |
| 00:39.39 | JeffM2501 | like just tell the tank to fire SB's insteat of PX |
| 00:39.39 | L4m3r | but it will be less ghetto? |
| 00:39.48 | Gnurdux | but how? |
| 00:39.58 | Gnurdux | you said you removed the custom flags thing |
| 00:39.58 | JeffM2501 | if the weapon system from playground is moved over |
| 00:40.03 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, yes |
| 00:40.05 | Gnurdux | oh ok cool |
| 00:40.13 | JeffM2501 | because I am detaching weapons from flags |
| 00:40.19 | JeffM2501 | flags are just a way to get a weapon |
| 00:40.24 | Gnurdux | also: i was thinking of making a plugin where you can only shoot in certain areas |
| 00:40.38 | JeffM2501 | ok.. so puing a nerf dart into a paintball gun == awesome sauce |
| 00:40.54 | Gnurdux | how else can you get a weapon>? |
| 00:41.02 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, if you could track the player, you could give them a null weapon when the enter your space |
| 00:41.09 | Gnurdux | ahh |
| 00:41.09 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, the server gives you one |
| 00:41.10 | Gnurdux | cool |
| 00:41.15 | Gnurdux | awesome |
| 00:41.15 | JeffM2501 | jus says "here use this" |
| 00:41.22 | Gnurdux | that would be sweet, if it actually happens |
| 00:41.22 | JeffM2501 | that's how PG uses it |
| 00:41.26 | Gnurdux | PG? |
| 00:41.29 | Gnurdux | oh playground |
| 00:41.31 | JeffM2501 | think hard |
| 00:41.34 | JeffM2501 | there ya go |
| 00:42.19 | Gnurdux | so you could make it so that when you enter that area, you get a null weapon, when you leave, you get the weapon that comes with your flag |
| 00:42.25 | *** join/#bzflag L4m31 (n=Chris@s122-222.resnet.ucla.edu) |
| 00:42.27 | Gnurdux | but the flag method will still be default right? |
| 00:42.28 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:42.39 | JeffM2501 | if it's implemented in BZ that way |
| 00:42.50 | JeffM2501 | in PG flags are only for CTF |
| 00:43.29 | Gnurdux | that would change the game too muych tho |
| 00:44.32 | JeffM2501 | like I say, depends on how it gets implemented in mainline, if at all |
| 00:44.49 | Gnurdux | but if you remove the hook, but dont add that :( |
| 00:44.51 | JeffM2501 | but we can't keep any API call that gets game states out of sync |
| 00:44.57 | JeffM2501 | then you deal with it |
| 00:45.03 | JeffM2501 | welcome to the real world |
| 00:45.04 | Gnurdux | then i mod the sertver |
| 00:45.12 | JeffM2501 | not all features are good ideas |
| 00:45.21 | JeffM2501 | the API I made is not law |
| 00:45.24 | JeffM2501 | it was a first guess |
| 01:17.22 | Mr_Molez | dang, well i went from ppl i met over ducati or quick look thrus over worlds, im surprised ppl arent saying molez, that kid is nuts. but ill go to stats next time ty for the update |
| 01:18.48 | brlcad | molez, that kid is nuts |
| 01:18.54 | L4m3r | lol |
| 01:19.18 | Mr_Molez | seriously ppl if u gona talk make sure i dont find out :P |
| 01:19.53 | brlcad | did I say that out-loud? |
| 01:20.34 | Mr_Molez | ;) |
| 01:34.08 | *** join/#bzflag BenUrban (n=benurban@unaffiliated/benurban) |
| 01:35.47 | L4m3r | how would you win? lol |
| 01:35.58 | Mr_Molez | who ever has the best coders win :D |
| 01:36.00 | L4m3r | everyone turns on god mode and that's it |
| 01:39.50 | Gnurdux | thats why you do it after 2.2 is out |
| 01:39.54 | Gnurdux | so that cheating is HARD |
| 01:40.00 | Gnurdux | and god mode is IMPOSSIBLE |
| 01:40.18 | L4m3r | oh, I doubt it'll be anywhere near impossible |
| 01:40.28 | Gnurdux | god mode? |
| 01:40.32 | L4m3r | cheaters will just have to be much more clever |
| 01:40.37 | Gnurdux | server will handle shots and deaths |
| 01:40.42 | L4m3r | so? |
| 01:41.01 | Mr_Molez | if your clever enough u can spoof packets sent to the server ;) |
| 01:41.10 | Mr_Molez | and get admin rights on the server and stuff |
| 01:41.33 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, is that how you got admin on my server? |
| 01:41.44 | Gnurdux | or did i make you admin |
| 01:41.47 | Mr_Molez | im not admin on your server |
| 01:42.09 | Mr_Molez | unless your talking about the 1 YD was moderating |
| 01:42.32 | Gnurdux | thats what i meant |
| 01:42.39 | Mr_Molez | blame YD ;) |
| 01:42.44 | Gnurdux | i dont host any of my own servers currently |
| 01:49.23 | Mr_Molez | are there any forks of bzflag ? |
| 01:52.00 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, no |
| 01:52.07 | Mr_Molez | shame :( |
| 01:52.39 | purple_cow | there have been plenty of forks of bzflag over the years |
| 01:52.51 | Mr_Molez | but they all died ? |
| 01:52.59 | purple_cow | pretty much |
| 01:53.06 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, what do you want your fork to be? |
| 01:53.09 | Gnurdux | CheatZFlag? |
| 01:53.28 | Mr_Molez | nah just something with different people |
| 01:53.39 | Gnurdux | differnent devs? |
| 01:53.39 | purple_cow | that's a stupid reason to fork |
| 01:53.55 | Mr_Molez | nah different players |
| 01:54.01 | purple_cow | hah |
| 01:54.25 | Mr_Molez | ohhhh 5 hehee |
| 01:55.35 | Gnurdux | for what? |
| 01:55.42 | Mr_Molez | 10.8 |
| 01:56.03 | Gnurdux | what 10.8? OSX? |
| 01:56.24 | Mr_Molez | no bzflag 1.10.8 |
| 01:56.30 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, just start you own list server? |
| 01:56.42 | Mr_Molez | that would just be silly |
| 01:57.03 | Gnurdux | a fork would be sillier? |
| 01:57.06 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, why> |
| 01:57.09 | Gnurdux | so easily cheatable? |
| 01:57.16 | *** join/#bzflag codergeek42 (n=peter@gentoo/developer/codergeek42) |
| 01:57.17 | Mr_Molez | cuz its like 20x better than 2.0 |
| 01:57.22 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, how? |
| 01:57.35 | Mr_Molez | feels better to play with |
| 01:58.17 | Mr_Molez | and no servers with stupid stuff like /set modes ;) |
| 02:00.09 | Mr_Molez | and anything without a Gnurdux has got to be good |
| 02:00.12 | Mr_Molez | :D |
| 02:00.16 | Gnurdux | hehe |
| 02:00.33 | Gnurdux | im sorry that you feel that way |
| 02:00.54 | Mr_Molez | you are ? |
| 02:01.58 | Mr_Molez | well im sorry that your sorry that i feel that way |
| 02:02.44 | Mr_Molez | or something :P |
| 02:07.35 | bryjen | ~decks |
| 02:07.40 | ibot | well, decks is http://bzgirl.bakadigital.com/decks.html |
| 02:08.10 | bryjen | not exactly |
| 02:08.19 | bryjen | ~bzfquery bryjen.bzflag.org:5154 |
| 02:12.05 | L4m3r | wow, that map is hard on the eyes |
| 02:30.49 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501) |
| 02:30.49 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 02:36.34 | JeffM2501 | I think I ate too much.... |
| 02:36.50 | bryjen | ewww |
| 02:36.57 | bryjen | ~mop JeffM2501 |
| 02:36.58 | ibot | ACTION get's a mop and cleans up after JeffM2501 |
| 02:38.24 | JeffM2501 | belly hurt from beefy goodness.... |
| 02:40.21 | Mr_Molez | hmm for 10.8 -world map.bzw is right isnt it ? |
| 02:54.47 | *** join/#bzflag Aribeth (n=Aribeth@eacb02-00-cmmgga-70-34-176-23.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 02:58.07 | Mr_Molez | hehehhehe nevermind |
| 03:01.21 | JeffM2501 | does a server disable bots by default? |
| 03:01.35 | Mr_Molez | no |
| 03:02.24 | JeffM2501 | having fun in norath? |
| 03:02.35 | Aribeth | im haviing a blast |
| 03:02.39 | *** join/#bzflag pianoboy3333 (n=pianoboy@ool-43567d61.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:02.40 | JeffM2501 | good :) |
| 03:02.54 | pianoboy3333 | What's with 2.0.7? is it stable? |
| 03:02.56 | JeffM2501 | see why I laughed when people talked about runscape? :) |
| 03:02.57 | Aribeth | havnt done many quests yet |
| 03:03.01 | Aribeth | yep |
| 03:03.10 | JeffM2501 | pianoboy3333, it's 2.0.6 with some very small fixes |
| 03:03.25 | JeffM2501 | it will be released as 2.0.8 hopefully this weekend |
| 03:03.34 | pianoboy3333 | really? |
| 03:03.36 | pianoboy3333 | kool |
| 03:03.41 | JeffM2501 | if we can get it together |
| 03:03.44 | JeffM2501 | no features |
| 03:03.46 | Aribeth | most people dont know that was playing single player versions of these game before rs |
| 03:03.53 | JeffM2501 | mostly a fix to libcurl, and a spawning problem |
| 03:03.55 | JeffM2501 | that's about it |
| 03:04.15 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, single player games will die soon |
| 03:04.22 | Aribeth | yes they will |
| 03:05.10 | Aribeth | i discovered the griffens last night |
| 03:05.18 | pianoboy3333 | but, bzflag isn't a single player game... |
| 03:05.26 | JeffM2501 | pianoboy3333, never said it was |
| 03:05.37 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, yes free transport :) |
| 03:05.39 | pianoboy3333 | ok |
| 03:05.43 | JeffM2501 | then you got off the island :) |
| 03:05.50 | JeffM2501 | tho bzflag could take some notes from the MMOs |
| 03:05.50 | Aribeth | oh ya |
| 03:05.57 | Aribeth | almost level 18 now |
| 03:06.04 | JeffM2501 | character and account managment |
| 03:06.12 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, cool your allmost ready for thundering steps |
| 03:06.20 | pianoboy3333 | WoW is the best... I wish I had enough spare time and money for it |
| 03:06.21 | Aribeth | close |
| 03:06.38 | JeffM2501 | wow is popular, but it's hard to call it "the best" |
| 03:06.43 | pianoboy3333 | no? |
| 03:06.47 | pianoboy3333 | runescape! |
| 03:06.50 | pianoboy3333 | hahahhahaha |
| 03:06.54 | JeffM2501 | umm no |
| 03:06.54 | Aribeth | whats a good level for thundering steps |
| 03:06.58 | JeffM2501 | 20+ |
| 03:07.08 | Aribeth | thats my goal |
| 03:07.08 | JeffM2501 | lot of good quests out there |
| 03:07.10 | *** part/#bzflag pianoboy3333 (n=pianoboy@ool-43567d61.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 03:07.15 | JeffM2501 | doo your armor quests too |
| 03:07.30 | Aribeth | i tried to start them, but cant |
| 03:07.36 | JeffM2501 | after 20 |
| 03:07.44 | JeffM2501 | the end in the thundering steps |
| 03:07.47 | JeffM2501 | you'll need a decent group |
| 03:07.51 | JeffM2501 | and you'll do stormhold |
| 03:07.52 | Aribeth | ahh, i figuered that it as lvl 20 |
| 03:08.31 | Aribeth | i figuered i needed lvl 20+ to start them |
| 03:08.52 | Aribeth | i have been out in antonica scouting |
| 03:09.20 | JeffM2501 | many quests there |
| 03:09.24 | Aribeth | yes |
| 03:09.42 | Aribeth | cant wait til i can get a horse...lol |
| 03:09.45 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see BZ's global system change to one where you have a single login name, and we give out "character slots" for the callsigns |
| 03:10.03 | Aribeth | that would be nice |
| 03:10.47 | Aribeth | i even got tegan in to it |
| 03:10.52 | JeffM2501 | and if you wanted to be "anon" you could just flag characters as anon, and they'd not pull any groups |
| 03:11.36 | Aribeth | i saved a lvl 16 beserker from a lvl 20 lizzard last night..lol |
| 03:13.30 | JeffM2501 | it's what guardians do |
| 03:13.42 | Aribeth | yes, but it killed him |
| 03:13.59 | Aribeth | then he went after another |
| 03:14.06 | JeffM2501 | well then he's dumb |
| 03:14.10 | Aribeth | so i helped him |
| 03:14.13 | JeffM2501 | taunt is your best skill |
| 03:14.14 | JeffM2501 | EVER |
| 03:14.18 | Aribeth | yes it is |
| 03:14.46 | Aribeth | my pet is getting good |
| 03:14.48 | JeffM2501 | eventlay you get to learn to say "no.. YOUR mom!" in the language of any creature out there aperantly |
| 03:14.51 | *** join/#bzflag BWD (n=bdotson@pdpc/supporter/student/bdotson) |
| 03:15.23 | Aribeth | i learned the darkpaw language tonight |
| 03:16.13 | JeffM2501 | it's funny what they say |
| 03:16.32 | Aribeth | my faction standing with the gnolls is at an altime low |
| 03:16.54 | JeffM2501 | hmm I need another system to debug on.... something is killing the net conection on to the server when you join with bots |
| 03:17.00 | Aribeth | i love it when one says oh oh thets not good after i killed him |
| 03:17.17 | JeffM2501 | Aribeth, do a betrayal.. you have to kill 500 to finish |
| 03:17.24 | Aribeth | wow |
| 03:17.52 | Aribeth | tegan is doing freeport with a dark elf |
| 03:19.24 | JeffM2501 | gonna betray? |
| 03:19.36 | Aribeth | i duno if she will or not |
| 03:19.50 | Aribeth | her char is a warden |
| 03:20.04 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 03:20.11 | JeffM2501 | have to betray before 19 IIRC |
| 03:20.17 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 03:20.45 | Aribeth | so cant betray after lvl 19 then? |
| 03:20.58 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 03:21.02 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 03:21.09 | Aribeth | i'll let her know |
| 03:21.11 | JeffM2501 | you have to start it before your 19 |
| 03:21.26 | JeffM2501 | then you'll be level caped to 19 till you finish |
| 03:21.40 | JeffM2501 | cus it used to be you didn't pick your final class till 20 |
| 03:21.54 | Aribeth | i also started the tradeskills |
| 03:22.05 | Aribeth | im lvl 13 i think |
| 03:22.16 | JeffM2501 | it's the way to make big bucks |
| 03:22.29 | JeffM2501 | anyone else have CVS head built? |
| 03:22.36 | Aribeth | i decided to be a scolar |
| 03:22.47 | JeffM2501 | BIG money there |
| 03:22.52 | JeffM2501 | everyone needs skills |
| 03:22.56 | Aribeth | thats what i figuered |
| 03:29.56 | JeffM2501 | what is the server command to make the server not do lagkick? |
| 03:33.13 | bryjen | does it do it by default? |
| 03:33.23 | JeffM2501 | in 2.1 it seems to |
| 03:33.36 | JeffM2501 | it may be because the threshold is negitive |
| 03:33.53 | bryjen | heh |
| 03:36.33 | bryjen | temporal-ethernet - packets arrive _before_ they're transmitted ;) |
| 03:36.56 | JeffM2501 | it defaults the threshold to -1.0 |
| 03:37.00 | JeffM2501 | and jitter to -1.1 |
| 03:37.09 | JeffM2501 | I just commented out the check :) |
| 03:40.34 | JeffM2501 | hmm the bot keeps sending msgAlives |
| 03:48.13 | bryjen | heh. the server keeps killing them. are they not allowed by default on -public servers? |
| 03:48.30 | JeffM2501 | I'm on a default private |
| 03:48.57 | JeffM2501 | what's the comand to disalow bots? |
| 03:48.58 | bryjen | ah. i hopped on my public one with a few |
| 03:49.09 | JeffM2501 | did they run and then go NR? |
| 03:49.12 | JeffM2501 | or work fine? |
| 03:49.26 | bryjen | cmdline option -disableBots |
| 03:49.49 | bryjen | no, they were "killed by the server" as soon as they spawned |
| 03:49.54 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 03:50.00 | JeffM2501 | wonder if that' the problem |
| 03:50.04 | JeffM2501 | if I run one localy |
| 03:50.07 | bryjen | i may have the disable enabled ;) |
| 03:50.23 | JeffM2501 | it kills them, then I get a server comunicaton error |
| 03:50.31 | JeffM2501 | the server closes my TCP socket |
| 03:51.17 | bryjen | the just keep respawing and getting killed :) |
| 03:51.25 | bryjen | boom boom boom |
| 03:52.09 | bryjen | nope, i don't have -disableBots specified... |
| 03:53.45 | JeffM2501 | something is wacky |
| 03:54.06 | L4m3r | usually people being killed means that they rejoined too fast |
| 03:54.31 | L4m3r | (great way to stop people from rejoining to reset their score- /set _rejoinTime 60) |
| 03:55.05 | JeffM2501 | no it's due to a read error |
| 03:55.22 | L4m3r | ah |
| 03:55.35 | JeffM2501 | time to go full 4 d |
| 03:55.46 | L4m3r | also, is there a way to disable robot tanks but not autopilot? |
| 03:55.55 | L4m3r | (besides the plugin I use now) |
| 03:55.56 | JeffM2501 | only with a plugin IIRC |
| 03:56.23 | bryjen | running a non-public server, the bots don't always die right. the DR drives them in circles, like they're NR, until they respawn, and they seem laggy (on localhost!) otherwise, jumpy movements... |
| 03:57.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah something is wierd |
| 04:01.36 | JeffM2501 | but it's only with bots |
| 04:02.49 | *** part/#bzflag BWD (n=bdotson@pdpc/supporter/student/bdotson) |
| 04:03.53 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/BUGS: client side bots don't work |
| 04:09.28 | JeffM2501 | I'm geting code from febuary to see if it works |
| 04:09.30 | JeffM2501 | then I'll do a diff |
| 04:14.23 | *** join/#bzflag bz64 (n=cb3b8258@bz.bzflag.bz) |
| 04:14.33 | bz64 | disconnect |
| 04:17.05 | JeffM2501 | hmm code from 2-1-06 has the problem too |
| 04:17.13 | JeffM2501 | this may have been busted for a long while |
| 04:19.46 | Nidhoggr | well, I finally was able to go in and double the RAM in the bzflag server. now I can work on figuring out what I am going to do for a map, etc. |
| 04:21.18 | JeffM2501 | cooleo |
| 04:21.59 | L4m3r | are you going to do FFA again or will you go into rabbit/CTF? |
| 04:26.39 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (i=lan56@user-vcauvbo.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 04:30.34 | Nidhoggr | L4m3r: probably both. |
| 04:30.42 | L4m3r | Cool. |
| 04:30.44 | Nidhoggr | or all 3 |
| 04:35.11 | JeffM2501 | wow I've gone back to 1-1-06 and it's still busted |
| 04:37.20 | JeffM2501 | way before my changes |
| 04:38.58 | Nidhoggr | I think I might stick a basement map in for fun. |
| 04:39.03 | Nidhoggr | with rabbit |
| 04:44.35 | JeffM2501 | nice.. one of the "sugested searches" on the new MSN pages is "google lawsuit" |
| 04:44.56 | JeffM2501 | naw, they arn't trying to generate bad publicity for em.. naw |
| 04:51.04 | JeffM2501 | got the bot bug narrowed down to a month of changes |
| 04:54.07 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 04:54.26 | Nidhoggr | I have basement running on 5155 for the time being. no rabbit yet, cuz I gotta find my rabbit configs. |
| 05:04.40 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (n=foo@allegro/user/wegstar) |
| 05:18.25 | JeffM2501 | if this bot problem turns out to be in this old code, I may not be to happy with our italian friend |
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| 05:56.04 | JeffM2501 | yup... it's down to 2 commits tupone made on 12-26-05 |
| 05:56.16 | JeffM2501 | one tiled "bots share connection with main player" |
| 05:56.27 | blast007 | heh |
| 05:58.42 | JeffM2501 | ibot, message for tupone, your bot problem is due to checkins on 12-26-2005, (playing.cxx revs 2.168 and 2.169 ), When you merged the bot and player conections you broke bots it seems. |
| 05:58.49 | JeffM2501 | and tha'ts WAY before I did my code moves |
| 05:59.45 | JeffM2501 | kinda anoying that the first thing he thinks of when he has problems in Head is the reorg changes I made, when he's the one that reworked most of the networking. |
| 06:08.53 | Nidhoggr | gotta get someone to do the research for you somehow. it obviously worked. ;) |
| 06:09.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 06:09.25 | JeffM2501 | but he made it seem to be a new thing |
| 06:09.32 | JeffM2501 | when it's been busted near 1/2 a year |
| 06:09.35 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 06:09.49 | Nidhoggr | shows you how much people use the bots. |
| 06:09.59 | JeffM2501 | only in head |
| 06:10.02 | JeffM2501 | noone plays head |
| 06:10.08 | JeffM2501 | but he did the checking |
| 06:10.11 | JeffM2501 | checkin |
| 06:10.13 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 06:10.24 | JeffM2501 | and it was just about changing how bots work |
| 06:10.33 | JeffM2501 | there is NO way he could have tested the change |
| 06:10.39 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 06:10.53 | JeffM2501 | unless windows works difrent then linux |
| 06:11.42 | Nidhoggr | I have an occasional problem with 2.0.6 on windows where the tank icon/pointer in the screens gets lost and becomes some ugly messy thing |
| 06:12.25 | Nidhoggr | brb. going to see if I can play some bz. |
| 06:12.28 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
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| 06:24.14 | Nidhoggr | had a crash, and now my display is far too light in windows |
| 06:24.31 | JeffM2501 | restart |
| 06:24.39 | JeffM2501 | gotta love direct X :) |
| 06:24.42 | Nidhoggr | I hate restarting windows. :( |
| 06:24.43 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 06:24.50 | Nidhoggr | bbiaf |
| 06:25.08 | JeffM2501 | the only way to fix it would be to have a launcher that set the gama, but didn't crash :) |
| 06:28.37 | Nidhoggr | my client crashes a lot less on my mac. |
| 06:28.55 | Nidhoggr | going to play some ffxi. back later. |
| 06:41.03 | SportChick | anyone know who owns bz.bpa.nu? |
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| 09:06.45 | CBG | SportChick: A_Meteorite owns bz.bpa.nu, I believe ;) |
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| 11:34.54 | pianoboy3333 | I was wondering... What is bzflag written in? C? |
| 11:35.11 | CBG | afaik, mostly C++, some PHP, etc. |
| 11:35.20 | pianoboy3333 | PHP? |
| 11:35.34 | pianoboy3333 | What's the PHP for? The server type stuff? |
| 11:35.44 | CBG | I guess. |
| 11:36.04 | pianoboy3333 | ok, thanks |
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| 11:57.01 | brad | global auth is down but the list is fine |
| 11:57.53 | Manu | brad, it's at times |
| 11:58.09 | brad | yes |
| 11:58.31 | brad | and now it's fine again ;) |
| 11:58.40 | Manu | :) |
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| 14:09.22 | Mr_Molez | i love the way 1.10.8 players care more about playing than being admin the opposite to 2.x players :D |
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| 16:49.07 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, you here? |
| 16:50.23 | Mr_Molez | yup |
| 16:51.24 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, did you see L4m3r's creation yesterday? |
| 16:51.31 | Gnurdux | it was really confusing, but awesome |
| 16:52.00 | Mr_Molez | the flag doing different stuff ? |
| 16:53.00 | Gnurdux | PZ shots became non-PZ, non-PZ shots became PZ |
| 16:53.19 | Gnurdux | and there were all these segments seperated by teleporters |
| 16:53.21 | Gnurdux | and everyone had PZ |
| 16:53.45 | JeffM2501 | except for the player who shot them |
| 16:53.50 | Gnurdux | ye |
| 16:53.56 | JeffM2501 | and then games get out of sync |
| 16:53.57 | Gnurdux | but not buildings for rico |
| 16:54.02 | Gnurdux | *no |
| 16:54.09 | Gnurdux | so it didnt cause any problems |
| 16:54.17 | JeffM2501 | what if the non PZ player shots a SW? |
| 16:54.54 | Gnurdux | then it does nothing to the shot |
| 16:55.03 | Gnurdux | it only modifies the shot if its "" or "PZ" |
| 16:55.28 | Gnurdux | it was quite confusing though |
| 16:55.39 | Gnurdux | also, the only flags on the map were PZ |
| 16:55.40 | JeffM2501 | so the local player dosn't see his shot go thru stuff |
| 16:55.44 | JeffM2501 | when everyone else does? |
| 16:55.48 | Gnurdux | there IS no stuff |
| 16:55.50 | Gnurdux | just teleporters |
| 16:55.54 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 16:55.55 | Gnurdux | on the map |
| 16:55.56 | JeffM2501 | very limiting |
| 16:56.00 | Gnurdux | its really scary |
| 16:56.10 | Gnurdux | but really cool |
| 16:56.14 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, check it out |
| 16:56.20 | Gnurdux | l4m3r.servegame.com:5157 |
| 16:56.23 | JeffM2501 | I'll pass |
| 16:56.33 | JeffM2501 | I have no need for a munchkin game |
| 16:57.19 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 16:59.56 | Gnurdux | http://gnurdux.homelinux.net/Screenshot.png |
| 17:00.48 | JeffM2501 | whatever that shows |
| 17:00.55 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, take a look at it |
| 17:01.02 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 17:01.06 | Gnurdux | why not? |
| 17:01.15 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, wasn't it kind of cool? |
| 17:01.22 | JeffM2501 | cus it sounds lame, and sort of a waste of time |
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| 17:30.06 | JeffM2501 | man is seting up a debian build a PITA |
| 17:34.21 | wizart | I've just bought a book on the debian system. Debian is just way to complex if it requires a 600 page book to understand the basics of the package system. |
| 17:37.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:37.36 | JeffM2501 | had to dig to find all the little sub packages I needed just to get to the point of making a package from the bz scripts |
| 17:55.40 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: not my thing.. anything with flags is bad in my opinion |
| 17:55.45 | Mr_Molez | unless they are red or green ;) |
| 17:57.47 | Gnurdux | wizart, its easy to USE debian packages, just not to MAKE them |
| 17:58.12 | Gnurdux | actually not that easy tho... if they have deps, the package manager wont fail until AFTER its already partly installe |
| 17:58.13 | Gnurdux | d |
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| 18:01.42 | JeffM2501 | awww I don't have the riker "secret key" :) |
| 18:04.12 | blast007 | :) |
| 18:04.56 | JeffM2501 | hmmm it won't let me install the i386 package on my AMD 64 |
| 18:05.04 | JeffM2501 | how do the amd debian users get it? |
| 18:05.20 | JeffM2501 | cus I know tim dosn't have a 64 |
| 18:05.33 | Gnurdux | they need to bootstrap a i386 system, and use chroot to access it |
| 18:05.46 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, no I mean bzflag is part of the distor |
| 18:05.49 | Gnurdux | because all programs need to use a totally different set of libs for 386 and amd64 |
| 18:05.51 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 18:05.52 | JeffM2501 | apt will just do it by default |
| 18:06.02 | JeffM2501 | how does the 64 system get a package |
| 18:06.07 | Gnurdux | but there IS no bzflag for 64 bit in APT |
| 18:06.10 | Gnurdux | they have to build their own |
| 18:06.27 | JeffM2501 | users have been geting it from a package somehow |
| 18:06.33 | JeffM2501 | and having problems |
| 18:06.37 | JeffM2501 | something is leting them install it |
| 18:06.38 | Gnurdux | really? debian amd64? |
| 18:06.40 | Gnurdux | wierd |
| 18:06.41 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:06.49 | JeffM2501 | dude, you don't know the problem we are trying to fix |
| 18:06.53 | Gnurdux | it might be a really old one, from when someone bothered to build one |
| 18:06.58 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 18:06.59 | JeffM2501 | dude |
| 18:07.06 | JeffM2501 | you don't know so stop commenting |
| 18:07.34 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, is this unstable or testing? |
| 18:07.48 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 |
| 18:08.01 | JeffM2501 | where ever that is |
| 18:08.02 | Gnurdux | so stable |
| 18:08.06 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 18:08.12 | Gnurdux | nope |
| 18:08.20 | Gnurdux | none of them have 2.0.4 currently |
| 18:08.32 | Gnurdux | stable has 2.0.2, testing and unstable have 2.0.6 |
| 18:08.39 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 18:08.47 | JeffM2501 | it's a general problem with all packages |
| 18:08.51 | Gnurdux | http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 18:08.53 | JeffM2501 | when run on 64s |
| 18:08.54 | Gnurdux | im looking on there |
| 18:08.58 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, I DON'T CARE |
| 18:09.01 | JeffM2501 | SHUT UP |
| 18:09.08 | JeffM2501 | you are not helping |
| 18:09.11 | Gnurdux | its certainly in there, so whos building the 64 bit binary? |
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| 18:17.45 | wizart | Gnurdux, you seam to know a little about debian. How easy is it to mix new and old packages? An old version of openoffice or firefox, both project's who already have a development/stable branch is not acceptable. |
| 18:18.01 | Gnurdux | wizart, that has to do with dependencies |
| 18:18.17 | Gnurdux | they depend on different versions of the same package, which cnat be installed at the same time |
| 18:18.27 | wizart | Can I use stable packeges for everything else and just use the latest firefox/java/openoffice/evolution ? |
| 18:18.33 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 18:18.37 | Gnurdux | its called backports |
| 18:18.48 | Gnurdux | you can either build your own, or there are repositories of them |
| 18:18.55 | Gnurdux | google debian-backports |
| 18:19.22 | wizart | A good hint.never heared of backport but it sounds reasonable. |
| 18:19.41 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: you need a vacation or something. Your starting to abuse your rights ;) |
| 18:19.47 | wizart | So I can't install two versions of one library at the same time ? |
| 18:19.56 | Gnurdux | they are basically packages ported back to stable |
| 18:20.13 | wizart | technically this should be possible. |
| 18:20.21 | Gnurdux | wizart, depends on the library. im not sure exactly what causes it but i think it has to do with filename conflicts |
| 18:20.49 | Gnurdux | backports are new programs linked against old libs, so that they run on stable. you will probably want a backport of bzflag 2.0.6 too, if there is one |
| 18:21.56 | wizart | ic. I was using mandrake for a while and have just recently switched to ubuntu and was considering debian anfter I had some problems installing new software on ubuntu. |
| 18:22.28 | Gnurdux | ubuntu and debian are the same.. ubuntu is debian based. there are ubuntu backports too tho, if you want even newer stuff than ubuntu stable |
| 18:23.22 | Gnurdux | personally, i run debian testing, it doesnt break often the way unstable does, but the software is usually at most a couple months old |
| 18:24.13 | wizart | In mandrake the library version was part of the package name so even after a few years of updating I never ran into library dependency problems. I've to relearn how to deal with them. |
| 18:24.57 | wizart | Could I install "sarge" and update to testing or should I try to install testing right away if I decide to go wsith testing? |
| 18:25.01 | Gnurdux | debian stable is really old |
| 18:25.06 | Gnurdux | wizart, either one |
| 18:25.27 | JeffM2501 | didn't it just ship stable at the end of last year? |
| 18:26.12 | Gnurdux | yes, but its already behind on a lot of stuff. like gnome and kde, firefox, openoffice, etcetera |
| 18:31.25 | wizart | For short term updates library dependencys are the main problem it seams. Long term updates are limited by changes in the configuration file format. |
| 18:32.21 | wizart | Gnurdux, what was your experience there previously? Did the new debian packages include converters from the previous config format to a new one? |
| 18:32.47 | Gnurdux | not really |
| 18:32.53 | Gnurdux | where did you find that? |
| 18:33.24 | Gnurdux | see that was talking about upgrading your system in general... NOT about 2 different versions of packages that dont go together |
| 18:33.38 | JeffM2501 | maybe /msg is best for your package conversation.. ok |
| 18:33.39 | Gnurdux | so backports solve the problem |
| 18:33.49 | Gnurdux | or #debian wizart |
| 18:34.30 | wizart | JeffM2501, sorry. |
| 18:34.38 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 18:34.42 | JeffM2501 | it was just geting long |
| 18:34.45 | JeffM2501 | so a good time to move it |
| 18:34.47 | JeffM2501 | short ones are fine |
| 18:35.10 | wizart | True. The channel seamed quite enough at the moment. |
| 18:35.31 | Gnurdux | wizart, you might be interested in #debian-oo |
| 18:35.35 | wizart | I didn't know about the #debian channel. Very usefull. |
| 18:35.50 | Gnurdux | it mentions a backport to sarge in the topic |
| 18:36.11 | JeffM2501 | wizart, it was , hence why it was ok at the start, but the longer it goes, the less people think this is #bzflag :) |
| 18:36.43 | wizart | True. I will keep that in mind. |
| 18:38.55 | JeffM2501 | it's just if it gets realy involved, and it's not something the rest will be intrested in, it's a good time to take it private or something |
| 18:46.56 | JeffM2501 | anyone here running a debian based system on an AMD64? |
| 18:49.16 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: i need to install linux on my system for multi boot anyway i can install ubuntu or debian of you can't find anyone else |
| 18:50.13 | JeffM2501 | I have made i386 and AMD64 packages and I'd like to see if they can get tested |
| 18:52.05 | Mr_Molez | well ill install debian later on tonight and test it |
| 18:52.21 | Gnurdux | Manu, you have a AM64? |
| 18:52.38 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is 2.1 UNSTABLE, use for new commits || 2.0.6 is released - v2_0_6 tag in CVS || 2.0.7 is at http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/temp/builds |
| 18:56.01 | JeffM2501 | sadly I can't run it on my machine, cus I gots no video drivers :( |
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| 18:56.31 | Mr_Molez | and why can't you download any ? |
| 18:56.35 | JeffM2501 | oh I have |
| 18:56.37 | JeffM2501 | many of them |
| 18:56.42 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean they work :) |
| 18:56.46 | Mr_Molez | ohh |
| 18:57.01 | Mr_Molez | what card you got ? |
| 18:57.04 | Mr_Molez | ati ? |
| 18:57.06 | JeffM2501 | 7800GTX |
| 18:57.11 | Mr_Molez | eww nvidia |
| 18:57.16 | JeffM2501 | I'd not spend money on an ATI |
| 18:57.19 | JeffM2501 | to save my life |
| 18:57.31 | JeffM2501 | my driver problems are with my config |
| 18:57.34 | JeffM2501 | I jacked it up |
| 18:57.42 | JeffM2501 | I just have to sit down and fix it one day |
| 18:57.57 | JeffM2501 | ATI drivers on windows blow |
| 18:58.10 | Mr_Molez | mine has been ok |
| 18:58.14 | JeffM2501 | both ATI and Nvidia Drivers on liunux are somewhat of a pain to install |
| 18:58.38 | JeffM2501 | you probalby don't play many modern games with your little 9800 |
| 18:58.49 | JeffM2501 | many users of them have to downdate there drivers |
| 18:59.07 | JeffM2501 | the 9800 has one of the bugyest openGL implementations |
| 18:59.11 | JeffM2501 | next to the rage 128 |
| 18:59.12 | Mr_Molez | nuhuh got a x550 now (i must say is even more crap than i thought it would be) |
| 18:59.16 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:59.21 | JeffM2501 | the X series are much better |
| 18:59.28 | JeffM2501 | driver wise |
| 18:59.37 | JeffM2501 | that is a low end card |
| 18:59.43 | Mr_Molez | i aint found a game that 9800 couldn't play with top gfx |
| 18:59.56 | JeffM2501 | everquest 2 |
| 19:00.01 | JeffM2501 | quake 4 |
| 19:00.07 | Mr_Molez | i tried quake 4 |
| 19:00.08 | Mr_Molez | ran fine |
| 19:00.20 | JeffM2501 | at what res and at the max graphic setting? |
| 19:00.47 | JeffM2501 | DDO will chunk on them |
| 19:00.55 | JeffM2501 | as will oblivion |
| 19:01.11 | Mr_Molez | 1280x1024 top gfx settings. although it did slow down every so often but i though that was just because of lack of ram |
| 19:01.27 | JeffM2501 | the "ultra" mode requires 512 megs of ram |
| 19:01.40 | JeffM2501 | if you don't have that on your card, it'll auto maticly dump down to the lower ones |
| 19:01.43 | JeffM2501 | and just not tell you |
| 19:01.50 | JeffM2501 | your card lacks wang ;) |
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| 19:02.08 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, that Zone thing was awesome |
| 19:02.14 | L4m3r | lol |
| 19:02.22 | Mr_Molez | :(( |
| 19:02.28 | Mr_Molez | its twice as good as x550 |
| 19:02.37 | JeffM2501 | then go get an x800 |
| 19:02.47 | Mr_Molez | x550 is fine for me atm |
| 19:02.48 | JeffM2501 | or a nice 7900 :) |
| 19:02.58 | Mr_Molez | aslong as i dont go on servers with alot of /set crap |
| 19:03.09 | Mr_Molez | which i never do anyway |
| 19:03.13 | L4m3r | heh |
| 19:03.26 | L4m3r | the only thing that I normally leave is the sky color |
| 19:03.42 | Mr_Molez | JeffM2501: can you give me the link to the packages that need testing ? |
| 19:03.56 | JeffM2501 | look in the topic :) |
| 19:04.17 | Mr_Molez | ah yes |
| 19:08.44 | JeffM2501 | there are also source tarballs and bzips there if somone could test those as well |
| 19:09.03 | JeffM2501 | tupone will be gone after tomorow, so I'd like to be able to make the source distros if I have to |
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| 19:26.50 | Gnurdux | hi A_Meteorite |
| 19:26.57 | Gnurdux | did you get my MOTD thingy working? |
| 19:26.59 | A_Meteorite | hello |
| 19:27.00 | A_Meteorite | yes |
| 19:27.08 | Gnurdux | why did you need it? |
| 19:27.24 | brad | Gnurdux: what does it do? same as server message but you can update it without restarting? |
| 19:27.32 | Gnurdux | brad, exactly |
| 19:27.35 | brad | ah k |
| 19:27.41 | brad | plugin? |
| 19:27.44 | Gnurdux | it rereads the file whenever someone connects |
| 19:27.45 | Gnurdux | yep |
| 19:27.45 | A_Meteorite | I need it to broadcast important messages for my coming-soon network |
| 19:27.55 | A_Meteorite | like new servers, port changes, etc. |
| 19:27.57 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, your gonna host a server? |
| 19:28.01 | A_Meteorite | yes, a lot |
| 19:28.04 | Gnurdux | a lot? |
| 19:28.06 | Gnurdux | MoFo? |
| 19:28.07 | A_Meteorite | ~50 |
| 19:28.11 | brad | 50?! |
| 19:28.12 | Gnurdux | where? |
| 19:28.13 | Mr_Molez | !! ? |
| 19:28.18 | A_Meteorite | on a 100Mb connection |
| 19:28.22 | Gnurdux | where did you get it? |
| 19:28.24 | A_Meteorite | complete with a website |
| 19:28.26 | brad | there's like 150 unused already |
| 19:28.28 | A_Meteorite | I can't tell. :P |
| 19:28.46 | A_Meteorite | brad: yes, but I'm hoping I can do something different, I'll see how it goes |
| 19:28.50 | Mr_Molez | probably a shared host.. so lag will suck :D |
| 19:29.03 | A_Meteorite | Nope. |
| 19:29.03 | brad | you think you can populate 50 bzfs servers? |
| 19:29.05 | brad | good luck :) |
| 19:29.23 | Gnurdux | 5 is reasonable |
| 19:29.25 | Gnurdux | 50 isnt |
| 19:29.39 | A_Meteorite | well, I plan to host other people too |
| 19:29.51 | A_Meteorite | If it don't go well, there's nothing locking me in to doing this |
| 19:30.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus lack of servers is the big problem with the game ;) |
| 19:30.13 | Mr_Molez | infact yeh do 50.. it will make something have to be done about the server list. |
| 19:30.31 | JeffM2501 | I think he just means the most he can do with bandwith and stuff |
| 19:30.39 | Mr_Molez | how about tabbed lists 1 for mostly used and tab 2 for hardly used |
| 19:30.48 | JeffM2501 | Mr_Molez, code it up |
| 19:30.49 | blast007 | ~pw |
| 19:30.51 | ibot | patches welcome is probably a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 19:30.51 | JeffM2501 | it's been talkjed about |
| 19:31.12 | Mr_Molez | does the list database have the ability to keep track of popularity ? |
| 19:31.22 | blast007 | no |
| 19:31.22 | A_Meteorite | if you code it |
| 19:31.27 | JeffM2501 | if somone puts it in |
| 19:31.54 | A_Meteorite | I know 50 servers sounds like a lot, but that's just my port range.. I doubt all would be running at the same time |
| 19:32.13 | A_Meteorite | I've split up ports 6000-6050 to different "sections" |
| 19:35.18 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, any advice on how to dupe the observer NR problem? |
| 19:36.38 | A_Meteorite | that obs nr bug is really annoying :P |
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| 19:40.26 | JeffM2501 | how long do you have to hang around before it happens? |
| 19:40.43 | A_Meteorite | I would estimate 7-10mins |
| 19:46.01 | JeffM2501 | been on H2O for a bit now |
| 19:46.03 | JeffM2501 | no NRs |
| 19:46.06 | JeffM2501 | gonna try release |
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| 19:57.17 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, do you have a router? |
| 19:57.23 | A_Meteorite | yes |
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| 19:57.36 | A_Meteorite | D-Link DI-604 |
| 19:57.37 | JeffM2501 | is it a dlink? |
| 19:57.39 | JeffM2501 | hah |
| 19:57.51 | JeffM2501 | everyone with the obs problem has a dlink it seems |
| 19:57.58 | A_Meteorite | blech |
| 19:58.10 | JeffM2501 | I'm gonna try something |
| 19:58.12 | A_Meteorite | I don't like D-Link, but I never knew it would be so much trouble when I got it |
| 19:58.24 | A_Meteorite | and I didn't have any router knowledge |
| 19:58.26 | JeffM2501 | I think it may not like that the client never sends out UDP |
| 19:58.30 | JeffM2501 | it just gets them |
| 19:58.37 | JeffM2501 | so I may do a UDP heartbeat |
| 19:58.43 | JeffM2501 | every 30 secs or something |
| 19:58.44 | A_Meteorite | that sounds right |
| 19:58.51 | JeffM2501 | to see if that helps |
| 19:59.01 | JeffM2501 | I'm behind my westell and haven't had a prob |
| 19:59.04 | JeffM2501 | debug or release |
| 19:59.12 | A_Meteorite | is there going to be a 2.0.8 do fix curl's open connections and nr? |
| 19:59.16 | A_Meteorite | *to fix |
| 19:59.19 | Gnurdux | A_Meteorite, yes |
| 19:59.27 | JeffM2501 | well the NR if we can find it |
| 19:59.28 | Gnurdux | its supposed to be really soon |
| 19:59.46 | JeffM2501 | the big fixes are spawns and curl |
| 20:00.02 | JeffM2501 | if the NR is due to a router, and I can't do a fast fix....... |
| 20:00.03 | A_Meteorite | ahhh, yes, I've heard about no one liking the spawns |
| 20:00.35 | JeffM2501 | what OS you on now A_Meteorite |
| 20:00.36 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 20:01.03 | A_Meteorite | Mac OS X 10.4.6 |
| 20:01.11 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 20:01.15 | JeffM2501 | and you can build your own? |
| 20:01.18 | A_Meteorite | yes |
| 20:01.27 | JeffM2501 | k, you gonna be around later? |
| 20:01.35 | A_Meteorite | up to 7 o'clock |
| 20:01.36 | JeffM2501 | if I do a fix I'll make you a tarball to test |
| 20:01.49 | JeffM2501 | have you tested 2.0.7? |
| 20:01.56 | JeffM2501 | and does it have the problem still? |
| 20:02.10 | A_Meteorite | not tested 2.0.7 |
| 20:02.13 | A_Meteorite | where is a tarball? |
| 20:02.19 | JeffM2501 | look in the topic |
| 20:02.23 | JeffM2501 | I made a tarball today |
| 20:02.24 | A_Meteorite | ahh |
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| 20:03.00 | A_Meteorite | which is the latest? |
| 20:03.11 | JeffM2501 | those are all the same |
| 20:03.14 | JeffM2501 | just difrent packages |
| 20:03.15 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 20:03.33 | A_Meteorite | cause both source tar.gz have different sizes... :) |
| 20:03.37 | A_Meteorite | 11mb and 10mb |
| 20:03.54 | A_Meteorite | *12mb |
| 20:04.10 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 20:04.19 | JeffM2501 | that's just was the make debian-cvs made |
| 20:04.25 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 20:06.18 | CBG | I got 2 clients, on autopilot, on the same server, for the same amount of time. One has a score of _ |
| 20:06.23 | CBG | ugh, sorry. |
| 20:07.04 | menotume | so are we, CBG |
| 20:07.17 | CBG | :( |
| 20:08.30 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: Did you notice the TK messages on the admin channel at bzflag.norang.ca:2804? |
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| 20:11.10 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 20:11.38 | JeffM2501 | is that the H20 map? |
| 20:14.40 | A_Meteorite | brb |
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| 20:21.21 | pianoboy3333 | Is 2.0.8 going to be released soon? |
| 20:21.30 | Gnurdux | it supposed to be |
| 20:21.31 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:21.36 | Gnurdux | they were talking about this weekend |
| 20:21.46 | pianoboy3333 | I know |
| 20:21.57 | pianoboy3333 | But it's not on sf yet. |
| 20:22.02 | JeffM2501 | umm no |
| 20:22.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm still working on it |
| 20:22.28 | JeffM2501 | I doubt it'll be anytime before tomorow at the earlyest |
| 20:22.30 | L4m3r | will there be anything new other than bugfixes? |
| 20:22.34 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 20:22.50 | JeffM2501 | it's just for the critical bugfixes |
| 20:22.59 | JeffM2501 | the release that should not be |
| 20:23.00 | pianoboy3333 | 2.0.6's new menu is nice though |
| 20:23.10 | JeffM2501 | new menu? |
| 20:23.14 | blast007 | logo |
| 20:23.27 | pianoboy3333 | well, not *new* but it looks nice, yea, the logo and the red tank selector |
| 20:23.30 | JeffM2501 | oh yeah |
| 20:23.47 | pianoboy3333 | It's not so buggy under windoze also |
| 20:24.10 | JeffM2501 | well we do actualy try to fix bugs sometimes ;) |
| 20:25.24 | pianoboy3333 | heh |
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| 20:29.10 | gsnedders | is anon CVS back in sync yet? |
| 20:29.59 | gsnedders | ergh... it isn't... how bloody long? |
| 20:30.17 | JeffM2501 | I told you over a month :) |
| 20:30.23 | JeffM2501 | they expect by the 20th of this month |
| 20:35.44 | JeffM2501 | anyone here. who have windows, and also gets the observer NR bug? |
| 20:37.35 | Birdie | barons have that |
| 20:37.42 | JeffM2501 | they here? |
| 20:37.44 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: |
| 20:37.44 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: if 'sendObserverHeartbeat" is set in the config, send out a udp update every "observerHeartbeat" seconds ( default 30 ) to the server, This may help with some |
| 20:37.44 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: routers that don't like to just listen ( Dlink observer NR problem, maybe? ) |
| 20:37.52 | Birdie | one is connected, query "baroness" |
| 20:37.53 | JeffM2501 | that change MAY help them |
| 20:37.55 | JeffM2501 | but I need to test |
| 20:38.10 | JeffM2501 | well and I have to do builds and stuff :) |
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| 20:47.45 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, the tarbals in the build dir are updated |
| 20:47.53 | JeffM2501 | can you build one of those |
| 20:48.09 | A_Meteorite | ok, hold on |
| 20:48.23 | JeffM2501 | and then add set sendObserverHeartbeat to your config and try it |
| 20:48.30 | JeffM2501 | that will send out a udp packet every 30 seconds |
| 20:48.45 | JeffM2501 | that may keep your router happy |
| 20:52.02 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: |
| 20:55.17 | JeffM2501 | bbl |
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| 21:55.21 | Think_Different_ | hello everyone |
| 21:55.34 | A_Meteorite | hi |
| 21:55.44 | Think_Different_ | linux is installing |
| 21:55.58 | Theme97 | I want Linux. |
| 21:56.00 | Theme97 | I'm just too lazy. |
| 21:56.04 | Theme97 | :) |
| 21:56.06 | Think_Different_ | aww come on theme |
| 21:56.11 | Think_Different_ | ya got to try it |
| 21:56.16 | Theme97 | Actually, I have it all on my disks., |
| 21:58.34 | Think_Different_ | why not use it? |
| 21:58.50 | Theme97 | Because I'm too lazy to partition, and I want a Live CD anyway. |
| 21:59.14 | A_Meteorite | ack, bold print! |
| 21:59.22 | Theme97 | Bold print? |
| 21:59.38 | A_Meteorite | yes, everything you say is bold |
| 22:00.13 | Theme97 | Oh. |
| 22:00.16 | Theme97 | ... Oopsies! |
| 22:00.16 | Think_Different_ | i use x-caht |
| 22:00.23 | Think_Different_ | i dont know how to make bold... |
| 22:00.28 | Theme97 | ... |
| 22:00.30 | Theme97 | Err. |
| 22:00.32 | Theme97 | I use Trillian. |
| 22:00.34 | Think_Different_ | lol |
| 22:00.39 | Think_Different_ | remember, im on mac |
| 22:00.52 | Theme97 | Yes, I know. |
| 22:01.05 | Tupone | please don't send bold |
| 22:01.29 | Theme97 | Err... lemme figure out how to turn it off. |
| 22:01.30 | Tupone | neither colored in any way |
| 22:01.34 | Think_Different_ | lol |
| 22:02.11 | Theme97 | Yay! |
| 22:02.12 | Theme97 | No! |
| 22:02.16 | Theme97 | Ok. |
| 22:02.22 | Theme97 | Sorry about that. |
| 22:02.29 | Tupone | np |
| 22:02.44 | Theme97 | Erm, is this bold? |
| 22:03.01 | Tupone | it does not look to me |
| 22:03.07 | Theme97 | Ok. |
| 22:03.11 | A_Meteorite | nope |
| 22:09.39 | Think_Different_ | whoot! ist done |
| 22:10.11 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: ping |
| 22:10.30 | A_Meteorite | I compiled it and added set sendObserverHeartbeat 1 to config.cfg |
| 22:10.40 | A_Meteorite | but when I quit bzflag it dissapears from the config |
| 22:11.45 | A_Meteorite | brb |
| 22:15.38 | CBG | Theme97: so get a LiveCD - it's not difficult. |
| 22:15.55 | CBG | Think_Different_: I take it you don't use an Airport card then? |
| 22:16.02 | A_Meteorite | back |
| 22:16.21 | L4m3r | A_Meteorite: I think Jeff is out and about right now |
| 22:16.22 | Theme97 | CBG: I am. |
| 22:16.23 | CBG | A_Meteorite: that was 5 minutes. brb should always be less than 180 seconds. |
| 22:16.33 | A_Meteorite | Ummm... ok... |
| 22:16.44 | A_Meteorite | I was back only I forgot to say back. :\ |
| 22:17.17 | CBG | I sure hope so! >:) |
| 22:23.21 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, it moves it |
| 22:23.28 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 22:23.30 | JeffM2501 | it'll sort em |
| 22:23.34 | JeffM2501 | by name |
| 22:23.51 | JeffM2501 | when you added it and ran in obs did you NR tho? |
| 22:23.58 | A_Meteorite | I still went NR |
| 22:24.05 | JeffM2501 | oh well |
| 22:24.08 | JeffM2501 | your router sucks then |
| 22:24.09 | A_Meteorite | I put set sendObserverHeartbeat 1 in |
| 22:24.17 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 22:24.24 | JeffM2501 | how long did it take? |
| 22:24.31 | A_Meteorite | about 5mins |
| 22:24.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah dono man |
| 22:24.37 | A_Meteorite | I can time it |
| 22:24.38 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 22:24.47 | JeffM2501 | is your router got the current firmware? |
| 22:24.56 | A_Meteorite | it should.. checking |
| 22:25.22 | JeffM2501 | you can try using also set observerHeartbeat 5 |
| 22:25.28 | JeffM2501 | that will send one out every 5 seconds |
| 22:26.19 | JeffM2501 | now the BEST thing is.. you show its' not a windows bug but a dlink bug |
| 22:26.19 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 22:26.22 | A_Meteorite | I have a Mac. :P |
| 22:26.32 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 22:26.38 | JeffM2501 | everyone told me it's a windows bug |
| 22:26.41 | JeffM2501 | but you have it on a mac |
| 22:26.44 | JeffM2501 | so it's not OS specific |
| 22:26.50 | A_Meteorite | ah |
| 22:26.51 | JeffM2501 | and it ONLY seems to happen on Dlinks |
| 22:27.11 | A_Meteorite | I don't recall this happening in earlier versions |
| 22:27.21 | A_Meteorite | (before 2.0.2 I think) |
| 22:27.45 | JeffM2501 | maybe you had an older firmware version then |
| 22:27.50 | JeffM2501 | or a diferent router |
| 22:28.04 | A_Meteorite | no this is my only router I've ever had, but I did have some firmware problems |
| 22:28.36 | A_Meteorite | I installed the wrong firmware and it stopped working for awhile... then I hit reset waited a week and it started working all of a sudden (it was really weird) |
| 22:29.04 | JeffM2501 | dosn't sound like a very scientific test :) |
| 22:29.09 | A_Meteorite | no |
| 22:29.44 | A_Meteorite | argh, what happened to the firmware downloads on D-Link's site? well, last time I checked I had the latest |
| 22:30.06 | JeffM2501 | a simple test is to go around the router |
| 22:30.11 | JeffM2501 | go on the raw net for a fast test |
| 22:30.19 | A_Meteorite | ok |
| 22:33.55 | CBG | This is totally off topic, but is anyone here willing to help me install php on my mac (in PM, of course)? |
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| 22:35.09 | A_Meteorite_ | back |
| 22:35.13 | A_Meteorite_ | eek |
| 22:35.42 | A_Meteorite | testing it now |
| 22:43.03 | A_Meteorite | bbl |
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| 23:01.24 | Tupone | CBG: http://www.mamp.info/ |
| 23:03.13 | CBG | Tupone: ah, thanks |
| 23:03.20 | Tupone | :) |
| 23:03.34 | Tupone | maybe is what you want |
| 23:05.53 | A_Meteorite | back |
| 23:06.06 | A_Meteorite | I'm still in observer and I haven't gone NR yet, it must be my router |
| 23:09.56 | JeffM2501 | must be |
| 23:10.20 | JeffM2501 | wonder if there is any kind of "keep alive" setting |
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