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| 00:40.23 | SportChick | jeffm: absolutely |
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| 01:08.11 | SportChick | it's very slow |
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| 03:14.21 | supertanker | hello |
| 03:14.26 | Mr_Molez | sup |
| 03:17.31 | supertanker | my laptopr randomly restarts when I try to MAKE anything...bzflag and MysQL restart 2 or 3 times when I try to compile them from source |
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| 04:08.11 | L4m3r | is SF CVS down (again)? |
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| 05:02.12 | maquis | is bzflag.org down today? |
| 05:02.19 | maquis | i'm not having any luck getting to it. |
| 05:04.55 | JeffM2501 | sf doing maintenance |
| 05:05.45 | maquis | JeffM2501: ah... |
| 05:05.56 | maquis | perhaps someone here could help me with the problem i'm having. |
| 05:06.19 | maquis | for a cs class i'm in, we're doing an AI project using an old version of bzflag. |
| 05:06.45 | maquis | Unfortunately, I seem to be having some issues getting this particular version to both compile and link on my machine |
| 05:07.07 | maquis | I'm running freebsd 6.0, and I've finally solved all of the compile errors, but I'm having trouble with the linking. |
| 05:07.08 | JeffM2501 | what error do you get? |
| 05:07.14 | orange | sf's maintenance is killing our server startup |
| 05:07.30 | orange | can't get the master-bans.txt file, and it takes forever to timeout :-/ |
| 05:07.45 | orange | ~lart sourceforge's recent downtimes |
| 05:07.52 | maquis | when I go to link, it is complaining that it MainWindow::MainWindow() can't see BzfWindow::<various functions> |
| 05:07.52 | orange | appropriate |
| 05:08.00 | JeffM2501 | change the URL to let it puke faster |
| 05:08.07 | JeffM2501 | or point to localhost |
| 05:08.26 | maquis | from what I can see, BzfWindow is inside of libPlatform.a |
| 05:08.26 | JeffM2501 | maquis, what version of the source is it based on? |
| 05:08.30 | orange | it's a rotation server though... I hate to leave it without masterbans :-/ |
| 05:08.35 | orange | but it is an option |
| 05:08.39 | maquis | JeffM2501: i'm actually not certain. do you know of a good way to determine that? |
| 05:08.50 | maquis | i know that it's before a lot of the cross-platform work was done. |
| 05:08.53 | JeffM2501 | builddate.cxx |
| 05:08.59 | JeffM2501 | should have the major and minor |
| 05:09.11 | JeffM2501 | the cross plat stuff has been in since it was opensource |
| 05:09.21 | maquis | doesn't appear to have anything called builddate |
| 05:09.34 | maquis | it's possible that they killed all of those files to make things smaller? |
| 05:09.38 | JeffM2501 | no src/date/ |
| 05:09.44 | maquis | oh |
| 05:09.45 | purple_cow | maquis: is there a changelog in the main directory? |
| 05:09.46 | maquis | i found it, though |
| 05:09.48 | JeffM2501 | it's posible your people did anything |
| 05:09.51 | maquis | there's a README |
| 05:09.56 | maquis | BZFlag 1.7g2 |
| 05:09.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah changelong woudl have it too |
| 05:10.00 | purple_cow | yow |
| 05:10.05 | JeffM2501 | that is indeed old |
| 05:10.16 | maquis | yeah |
| 05:10.18 | JeffM2501 | that may be before the bsd stuff was nailed down |
| 05:10.25 | JeffM2501 | you may not have a platform define for it |
| 05:10.44 | JeffM2501 | 1.10 would be better to use on bsd |
| 05:10.47 | maquis | i was hoping to download a newer version of the source to see what kinds of changes might be in the Makefiles |
| 05:11.02 | purple_cow | it's based on autotools now |
| 05:11.12 | purple_cow | no more stupid custom build-system |
| 05:11.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:11.29 | JeffM2501 | best to just wait for it to come back |
| 05:11.42 | maquis | yeah... i figured this might be too old, but it'd be *really* nice to get it all working friendly... |
| 05:11.42 | JeffM2501 | SF usualy isn't down on the main sites for that long |
| 05:12.00 | JeffM2501 | well then you'll have to see how the X code works for bsd |
| 05:12.15 | JeffM2501 | I do recall there being a time when the bsd stuff was not working |
| 05:12.25 | JeffM2501 | 1.10 used SDL and that helped a lot for bsd |
| 05:12.33 | maquis | i feel like it shouldn't be too big of a difference, since I know that it sees the right library, and from the Makefile, I can see that the library does include what it's trying to find |
| 05:12.48 | maquis | i just can't figure out why it's not seeing it... |
| 05:13.03 | JeffM2501 | your problem is that the code is not buiding a platform class for you |
| 05:13.30 | maquis | JeffM2501: i'm afraid i'm not familiar with platform classes. any chance you could clarify a bit? |
| 05:13.41 | maquis | are you referring to the configure script? |
| 05:13.41 | JeffM2501 | so it's probably a #define thing in the code |
| 05:13.46 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:13.47 | JeffM2501 | the code |
| 05:13.53 | JeffM2501 | I don't know much about that old code |
| 05:13.57 | maquis | ok... |
| 05:13.59 | JeffM2501 | you'll have to dig and poke |
| 05:14.03 | JeffM2501 | that's over 3 years old |
| 05:14.05 | JeffM2501 | maybe 5 |
| 05:14.16 | maquis | :( |
| 05:14.38 | maquis | i was so excited when i finally got rid of all the compile errors |
| 05:15.26 | JeffM2501 | errors are only part of the path |
| 05:15.33 | maquis | ?? |
| 05:15.40 | maquis | the path? |
| 05:15.40 | JeffM2501 | to fixing a problem |
| 05:15.42 | maquis | oh |
| 05:15.43 | maquis | yeah |
| 05:18.44 | maquis | i got a good idea at how old this particular bit of code was when i went to try to compile it on my desktop (debian), and found that it required g++32, and apt for debian sarge doesn't include gcc3.2 |
| 05:19.26 | JeffM2501 | it's REALY old |
| 05:19.38 | JeffM2501 | we are on 2.0.6 now |
| 05:19.44 | JeffM2501 | developing on 2.1.x |
| 05:19.57 | JeffM2501 | so there have been a couple major verisons |
| 05:19.59 | JeffM2501 | since that |
| 05:20.08 | maquis | yeah |
| 05:20.28 | maquis | i already have 2.0.4 on this machine |
| 05:24.18 | maquis | doh |
| 05:24.48 | maquis | there's a link to download the "jurassically old" version of bzflag, but the source link gives a 404 |
| 05:25.02 | JeffM2501 | probalby due to SF maintannce |
| 05:25.37 | maquis | maybe |
| 05:27.49 | maquis | w00t! got it |
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| 06:23.57 | maquis | ~bzfrag bzflag |
| 06:23.58 | ibot | ACTION skewers bzflag with a super bullet |
| 06:48.52 | L4m3r | For anyone that knows, what exactly did Death Barrel do> |
| 06:48.54 | L4m3r | ? |
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| 07:57.18 | brlcad | moin |
| 07:57.39 | L4m3r | ? |
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| 08:41.55 | FAGSENSE | HEY GUYS |
| 08:41.59 | FAGSENSE | WHAT IS BZFLAG? |
| 08:42.08 | _Manu_ | http://bzflag.org |
| 08:42.15 | FAGSENSE | CAN SOME1 HELP ME PLZ |
| 08:42.23 | FAGSENSE | I DONT WANT TO GO TO THE SITE |
| 08:42.26 | FAGSENSE | ITS TOO COMPLICATED |
| 08:42.36 | _Manu_ | then I can't help you |
| 08:42.44 | FAGSENSE | FINE |
| 08:42.46 | FAGSENSE | CAN SOMEONE HELP ME PLZ |
| 08:44.12 | FAGSENSE | OK I HAVE FOUND OUT WHAT IT IS |
| 08:44.25 | FAGSENSE | IT IS A REALLY BUGGY OPER SAUCE GAME |
| 08:44.58 | kristalino | FAGSENSE, STOP SHOUTING !!!!!!! |
| 08:45.11 | _Manu_ | probably is too complicato for you.. fagsense |
| 08:45.22 | _Manu_ | s/complicato/complicate |
| 08:45.25 | FAGSENSE | YES IT SEEMS VERY BUGGY |
| 08:45.30 | FAGSENSE | CAN'T YOU SPELL? |
| 08:45.31 | FAGSENSE | LOL |
| 08:45.41 | brad | ..why are you here? |
| 08:45.54 | FAGSENSE | IM WONDERING WHAT BZFLAG IS NOW I HAVE FOUND OUT |
| 08:45.58 | FAGSENSE | IT IS A REALLY BUGGY OPER SAUCE GAME |
| 08:46.00 | _Manu_ | you can try lower case and I can spell you can't spell source |
| 08:46.06 | _Manu_ | nor open |
| 08:46.17 | FAGSENSE | IT IS CALLED OPER SAUCE |
| 08:46.20 | FAGSENSE | NOT OPEN SOURCE |
| 08:46.27 | _Manu_ | whatever |
| 08:46.33 | FAGSENSE | ANYWAY LATER FAGS |
| 08:47.03 | kristalino | hahaha,stupidity makes me laugh |
| 08:47.13 | kristalino | _Manu_, :) |
| 08:48.18 | _Manu_ | expected from a player named fag |
| 08:51.14 | L4m3r | _Manu_, do you know anything about why Death Barrel was masterbanned that time? |
| 08:51.28 | _Manu_ | that time.. you mean again? |
| 08:51.37 | L4m3r | the last time, whatever it was. |
| 08:51.55 | _Manu_ | ah, it was because cheating |
| 08:52.04 | L4m3r | :| |
| 08:52.19 | _Manu_ | using God mode |
| 08:52.36 | L4m3r | banned him from MoFo FFA tonight... |
| 08:52.53 | _Manu_ | what reason? |
| 08:52.58 | L4m3r | not 100% invincible but noticeably difficult to hit |
| 08:53.23 | L4m3r | banned him after he jumped and hung in the air |
| 08:53.28 | _Manu_ | so aren't you using master ban at mofo? |
| 08:53.43 | L4m3r | he's not masterbanned now, iirc, is he? |
| 08:53.52 | _Manu_ | ah.. I think he was removed |
| 08:54.23 | L4m3r | OK, well, good to know- I wanted to make sure he had cheated before... |
| 08:55.13 | L4m3r | apparently he's just trying to be more subtle about things... and start fresh on a new server. |
| 08:55.57 | kristalino | are there any cheaters on bzflag ? |
| 08:56.15 | _Manu_ | kristalino, yes, too much |
| 08:56.20 | kristalino | :( |
| 08:56.31 | L4m3r | like playing whack-a-mole |
| 08:56.40 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 08:56.42 | L4m3r | you can only swing the ban axe so fast |
| 08:56.49 | kristalino | maybe bzflag should have been just on linux |
| 08:56.57 | kristalino | and not windows, it may have helped |
| 08:57.06 | kristalino | or just release binaries for windows |
| 08:57.15 | _Manu_ | kristalino, bzflag is open source and it means everybody can read and modify the code |
| 08:57.20 | kristalino | only closed source for windows |
| 08:57.43 | kristalino | _Manu_, yeap i know but some open sources software can be released opensource on linux and not on windows |
| 08:57.44 | _Manu_ | cheaters also use linux and mac |
| 08:57.45 | L4m3r | I think most of the cheaters are linux people, much easier to modify that way |
| 08:57.57 | kristalino | _Manu_, look at gcompris for example |
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| 08:58.04 | kristalino | :((( |
| 08:58.15 | kristalino | that's very bad ... |
| 08:58.20 | L4m3r | save for those that download pre-built cheat clients... but those are easier to spot |
| 08:58.28 | _Manu_ | don't worry.. I also add anticheats ;) |
| 08:59.01 | kristalino | it might be not that easy to add anticheat ... |
| 08:59.29 | L4m3r | a lot of major changes in the protocol will help, a lot |
| 09:00.02 | L4m3r | the client will be dumber, and control less stuff, making it harder to cheat |
| 09:00.17 | _Manu_ | kristalino, anticheats are really hacks around the code |
| 09:00.41 | _Manu_ | because how bzflag is designed, but things are changed |
| 09:00.54 | _Manu_ | are changing I mean |
| 09:01.14 | kristalino | cool |
| 09:01.23 | kristalino | cheaters reallyy kill the gameplay |
| 09:01.36 | L4m3r | to quote mr. Jeff, "Never trust the client, ever" |
| 09:01.41 | _Manu_ | probably next mayor version will include new changes against cheaters |
| 09:01.52 | _Manu_ | that's the rule number 1 :) |
| 09:02.03 | L4m3r | and with more things moving to the server, fewer problems will happen |
| 09:02.22 | L4m3r | until then, BANINATION |
| 09:02.26 | _Manu_ | yes, the main problem is the server trust the client for almost every thing |
| 09:03.17 | L4m3r | well, that and a few portions of code that are just way too easy to tweak |
| 09:03.44 | L4m3r | colored flagmod, god mode... I've seen people who don't know C++ get the god mode thing working |
| 09:04.20 | _Manu_ | if you remove ID flag from your map it doesn't work in released versions |
| 09:04.37 | L4m3r | yup. |
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| 09:05.02 | L4m3r | Unfortunately on planet mofo it hardly makes a difference because people shop like crazy anyway |
| 09:05.27 | L4m3r | this has lead to a few rather evil plugins on my part >:D |
| 09:06.48 | L4m3r | well, it's late... thanks for the help, Manu. |
| 09:07.42 | L4m3r | I'll mention the incident to Jeff tomorrow, also... 'night :) |
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| 09:29.05 | deadman | mornin all |
| 09:40.48 | ruskie | bahh rather pathetic game |
| 09:55.27 | maquis | ~dog cs470 |
| 09:55.29 | ibot | ACTION stares at cs470 until cs470 whimpers and pees all over himself. |
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| 10:26.28 | FAGSENSE | HI GUYS |
| 10:26.37 | FAGSENSE | MY NAME IS FAGSENSE |
| 10:26.47 | FAGSENSE | AND I FOUND OUT WHAT BZFLAG IS |
| 10:26.55 | FAGSENSE | IM JUST WONDERING, HOW MANY BUGS DOES IT HAVE? |
| 10:27.13 | FAGSENSE | I USE THE SHIFT KEY |
| 10:27.13 | FAGSENSE | NOT THE CAPS LOCK KEY |
| 10:27.17 | FAGSENSE | GLAD WE CLEARED THAT UP |
| 10:27.29 | purple_cow | you'll still get kicked if you keep it up |
| 10:27.36 | FAGSENSE | WHAT HAVE I DONE? |
| 10:28.27 | purple_cow | regardless of how you type your capital letters, the end result is cranky ops |
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| 14:03.05 | Mr_Molez | i dont suppose anyone here knows of a url to configure groups on linux to limit what programs users from a certain group can use |
| 14:03.23 | Mr_Molez | url as in documentation |
| 14:08.52 | NTH | nope sorry, I'm no help |
| 14:10.51 | _Manu_ | Mr_Molez, you can use sudo to do it |
| 14:11.12 | _Manu_ | and you also can do by hand :) |
| 14:11.42 | blast007 | Mr_Molez: make the users log into a chroot with only the programs you want them to use ;) |
| 14:12.07 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 14:12.25 | _Manu_ | but he wonders for a url :) |
| 14:13.17 | Mr_Molez | yeh but i only want 1 chroot and permissions within that chroot :-S |
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| 14:14.02 | _Manu_ | you can create groups.. and then change the programs permissons for only be executed for the desired group |
| 14:14.30 | Mr_Molez | thats cute |
| 14:14.45 | Mr_Molez | but where do i set the users permissions ? |
| 14:15.00 | _Manu_ | chmod command |
| 14:15.18 | _Manu_ | to change the file perms |
| 14:15.32 | Mr_Molez | so chmod root:users5 /path/to/file ? and add the users to group users5 ? |
| 14:15.33 | Mr_Molez | or soemthing |
| 14:15.52 | blast007 | chown |
| 14:15.54 | orange | chown to change owners |
| 14:15.57 | orange | chmod to change permissions |
| 14:16.02 | Mr_Molez | oops chown |
| 14:16.02 | _Manu_ | no.. chwon is to change owners |
| 14:16.06 | Mr_Molez | ooo |
| 14:16.26 | Mr_Molez | so chown wont work ? |
| 14:16.31 | _Manu_ | groupadd to create groups |
| 14:16.35 | blast007 | you'll use both commands |
| 14:16.40 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 14:16.42 | Mr_Molez | ok thanks :D |
| 14:16.53 | blast007 | chown to change the user or group, then chmod to change the user/group/other permissions |
| 14:17.11 | _Manu_ | groupadd to creater groups ;) |
| 14:17.35 | _Manu_ | and useradd to add users |
| 14:17.58 | Mr_Molez | _Manu_: yeh i know about the commands, just making sure I have the right idea of what to do |
| 14:18.04 | _Manu_ | you can look for a basic linux commands tutorial ;) |
| 14:18.16 | Mr_Molez | :| |
| 14:18.50 | _Manu_ | Mr_Molez, you always can use man ;) |
| 14:19.16 | Mr_Molez | aint it always the truth |
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| 14:20.40 | _Manu_ | hola quantumdot :) |
| 14:21.05 | quantumdot | hola manu |
| 14:21.10 | quantumdot | viva trujillo! |
| 14:21.18 | _Manu_ | puxa asturies :) |
| 14:21.40 | quantumdot | :-P huh? |
| 14:21.51 | _Manu_ | no eres de Asturias? ! :/ |
| 14:22.12 | quantumdot | nope |
| 14:22.16 | quantumdot | al ladito |
| 14:22.28 | _Manu_ | arggg.... .true :/ |
| 14:22.47 | quantumdot | Como el Sardinero no lo hay mas bonito en el mundo entero :) |
| 14:22.55 | quantumdot | dice la cancion |
| 14:23.09 | _Manu_ | si si.. ya se.. |
| 14:23.26 | _Manu_ | el himno de los borrachos (lo digo con respeto) :-p |
| 14:23.38 | _Manu_ | digo.. cantabria |
| 14:25.33 | _Manu_ | quantumdot, ya lo dijeron los carabelas... :) |
| 14:25.40 | quantumdot | yay! |
| 14:26.13 | _Manu_ | el himno es de los de al lado ; |
| 14:26.13 | _Manu_ | ;) |
| 14:26.52 | _Manu_ | good morning brlcad :) |
| 14:27.06 | brlcad | buenos dias |
| 14:27.45 | brlcad | jeje borrachos |
| 14:28.07 | _Manu_ | el himno de asturias.. cuando la gente se emborracha lo acaba cantando |
| 14:28.19 | _Manu_ | almenos en el centro y sur de EspaƱa |
| 14:28.36 | _Manu_ | el "Asturias patria querida..." |
| 14:29.03 | _Manu_ | brlcad, look up for FAGSENSE, a troublemaker :( |
| 14:29.58 | _Manu_ | joined to annoy us :( |
| 14:30.11 | brlcad | where? |
| 14:30.18 | _Manu_ | read a few lines up |
| 14:30.22 | _Manu_ | two times this morning (here) |
| 14:31.11 | brlcad | ahh, i see |
| 14:31.14 | blast007 | d4f8e901 == 212.248.233.1 |
| 14:31.31 | brlcad | need an ibot rule to just do that conversion automatically |
| 14:32.03 | _Manu_ | the last time he joined at last purple_cow was awake |
| 14:32.11 | _Manu_ | but the first time no :( |
| 14:33.23 | brlcad | yeah, I see |
| 14:35.11 | brlcad | he came in from co.uk google site search |
| 14:43.17 | brlcad | _Manu_: he never played |
| 14:43.34 | brlcad | so just some annoying joe that found the cgi:irc via google |
| 14:48.24 | _Manu_ | brlcad, yes I know |
| 14:50.35 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o _Manu_] by ChanServ |
| 14:55.33 | Mr_Molez | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.44 | Mr_Molez | ah nevermind wont work anyway |
| 14:58.28 | brlcad | ~19 * 7 |
| 14:58.29 | ibot | 133 |
| 15:05.53 | CBG | brlcad: don't know your 19 times tables? *gasp* :P |
| 15:11.47 | brlcad | actually i do, but i was being lazy |
| 15:12.33 | brlcad | damn tools encourage lazy thinking |
| 15:13.11 | CBG | This is true... |
| 15:41.19 | menotume | ~140 - 7 |
| 15:41.20 | ibot | 133 |
| 15:41.20 | menotume | :) |
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| 16:09.57 | PuMpErNiCkLe | hey, I wonder... |
| 16:09.58 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ~pi |
| 16:10.00 | ibot | somebody said pi was 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 16:10.13 | PuMpErNiCkLe | cool :> |
| 16:10.39 | menotume | ~pi * pi |
| 16:10.40 | ibot | 9.869604378534 |
| 16:10.45 | menotume | puh |
| 16:11.05 | menotume | ~pi / pi |
| 16:11.07 | ibot | 1 |
| 16:12.58 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ~pi ^ pi |
| 16:13.09 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ah well |
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| 16:25.18 | kristalino | ~mp |
| 16:25.20 | ibot | somebody said mp was Northern Mariana Islands |
| 16:25.31 | kristalino | ~bzflag |
| 16:25.33 | ibot | [bzflag] a 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming interuptions. See also TimRiker |
| 16:25.55 | kristalino | ~TimRiker |
| 16:25.56 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy. |
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| 16:39.43 | bz19 | ~bzfquery 83.146.54.232:5154 |
| 16:43.16 | Mahdi | weee |
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| 17:14.04 | seasharp_ | muahaha |
| 17:14.07 | seasharp_ | anyone alive? |
| 17:14.23 | seasharp_ | I will have a gamehosting box up soon |
| 17:14.34 | seasharp_ | quad xeons, 100Mbit dedicated line |
| 17:14.56 | seasharp_ | If anyone wants info, email admin@wannaplayit.com .. I just regged the domain last night but the site should be up soon |
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| 17:16.34 | Mr_Molez | seasharp_: uhh so ? |
| 17:21.09 | seasharp_ | Well, some people like affordable hosting |
| 17:21.20 | seasharp_ | and several bzflag members already want to host thru me |
| 17:21.27 | seasharp_ | so I thought I would spread the word a bit:) |
| 17:21.37 | Mr_Molez | y did you say that then :) |
| 17:21.50 | Mr_Molez | btw how you doing the hosting ? |
| 17:21.53 | seasharp_ | for some users that do not know. |
| 17:22.03 | ruskie | what a pathetic team... |
| 17:22.09 | seasharp_ | It runs from the datacentre I co-admin. Why? |
| 17:22.29 | seasharp_ | I should say will run, still need to set up the box |
| 17:23.00 | Mr_Molez | will u be giving ppl ssh ? |
| 17:23.11 | seasharp_ | yes |
| 17:23.13 | seasharp_ | :) |
| 17:23.14 | Mr_Molez | ruskie: ? |
| 17:23.20 | Mr_Molez | in a chroot environment ? |
| 17:23.21 | seasharp_ | sorry my regular nick is registered |
| 17:23.37 | seasharp_ | simple /bin/bash axx |
| 17:23.47 | ruskie | hmm there seems to be some probs with list server id |
| 17:23.57 | seasharp_ | bzflag will already be compiled, therefore root will not be needed to install the lib.so files |
| 17:24.27 | Mr_Molez | seasharp_: how much u charging ? |
| 17:24.47 | seasharp_ | I am still figuring it all out, but probably 10 bux a month for a 16 slot server |
| 17:24.58 | Mr_Molez | cool |
| 17:25.04 | seasharp_ | on that box I can run a lot of bzflag instances |
| 17:25.06 | seasharp_ | :) |
| 17:25.22 | seasharp_ | I have my personal server up and running my game, but its only 45Mbit dedicated |
| 17:25.42 | Mr_Molez | oh that sucks |
| 17:25.48 | seasharp_ | ;) |
| 17:26.04 | ruskie | seasharp_, hmm any limitations and where you located geographicaly |
| 17:26.04 | Mr_Molez | so your not making a chroot, ok |
| 17:26.10 | seasharp_ | the datacentre has a gigabit drop |
| 17:26.19 | seasharp_ | no limits |
| 17:26.31 | ruskie | so clued run $random_stuff? |
| 17:26.42 | ruskie | erm could even... |
| 17:26.50 | seasharp_ | if offshore, I may have to ask that a money order or check be sent via mail is all, too many fraudulent orders from other countries:( |
| 17:27.09 | ruskie | still want to know geo-location |
| 17:27.25 | seasharp_ | the shellhosting company I coadmin has 15-30 carders a day try to order accounts |
| 17:27.33 | seasharp_ | Ohio is where the dc is |
| 17:27.38 | ruskie | ahh |
| 17:27.44 | ruskie | to far away for me... |
| 17:27.44 | seasharp_ | Private datacentre |
| 17:27.49 | seasharp_ | how's that? |
| 17:27.53 | ruskie | eu :) |
| 17:28.01 | seasharp_ | its on the abovenet backbone |
| 17:28.07 | ruskie | doesn't help.. |
| 17:28.09 | seasharp_ | we have straight trunk to eu |
| 17:28.28 | ruskie | I've got an acc that runs bzfs in wa dc... 100mbit |
| 17:28.44 | ruskie | to much lag to play eu <-> us |
| 17:28.45 | seasharp_ | ah HAH |
| 17:29.21 | ruskie | I really need to find some good eu shell |
| 17:29.31 | SeaSharp | I may be able to help there |
| 17:29.34 | ruskie | finland, norway, sweden based hopefully |
| 17:29.38 | SeaSharp | I have a friend with a eu dedi |
| 17:30.09 | ruskie | when I'll get some proper funding I'll get my own server... |
| 17:30.22 | SeaSharp | I can get you a shell out of norway without too much hassle methinks |
| 17:30.31 | ruskie | any price tag? |
| 17:31.38 | SeaSharp | I am checking on it, it may take a while for ppl to wake up there |
| 17:31.55 | SeaSharp | if you join #irc-operators on EFNet, a lot of guys in there are from norway:) |
| 17:32.06 | ruskie | am not on efnet... |
| 17:32.14 | ruskie | don't plan on going there as well :) |
| 17:32.20 | SeaSharp | ahhh ok |
| 17:32.24 | SeaSharp | I will see what I can do |
| 17:32.26 | SeaSharp | :) |
| 17:32.32 | ruskie | basicaly I need a shell to run irc bouncers mostly :) |
| 17:32.40 | SeaSharp | I am on 3 networks, freenode, efnet, and I am a server admin for trapid.net |
| 17:32.57 | SeaSharp | If you need a bnc shell I could hook you up there on my personal server man |
| 17:33.07 | SeaSharp | lag should not be bad, could be worth a try |
| 17:33.09 | ruskie | freenode, OFTC, IRCnet, ZuhlNet, BitlBee |
| 17:33.14 | SeaSharp | righto |
| 17:33.15 | ruskie | that's where I'm all on :) |
| 17:33.31 | SeaSharp | that's a lot:) |
| 17:34.06 | ruskie | yeah sadly I have all of them on my own local server that's on a regular isp line |
| 17:34.14 | SeaSharp | ack! |
| 17:34.30 | ruskie | I'd like to move those off :) |
| 17:34.30 | SeaSharp | well, do you normally make anyone mad? I cannot afford to have the personal box ddosed |
| 17:34.46 | ruskie | not really... |
| 17:34.49 | ruskie | haven't anyone so far |
| 17:34.58 | ruskie | but I take it your personal box is us based as well |
| 17:35.11 | SeaSharp | it is but is worth a try:) |
| 17:35.24 | SeaSharp | msg me a username and ill set one up for you to try out |
| 17:35.25 | ruskie | so far I haven't made anyone mad... |
| 17:35.40 | ruskie | lol |
| 17:35.41 | ruskie | why? |
| 17:35.49 | brad | I dunno |
| 17:35.54 | brad | ~lart ruskie |
| 17:36.03 | ruskie | yup that sounds proper |
| 17:36.07 | brad | :) |
| 17:38.27 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, you good to go for a 2.0.8 shot this weekend? |
| 17:40.26 | SeaSharp | woo ok back to efnet I go:) |
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| 17:41.18 | JeffM2501 | and what does efnet have to do with bzflag? |
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| 17:56.28 | TheRedBaron | did acceleration values change in 2.0.6? |
| 17:57.37 | SeaSharp | I put a post in the bzflag forums with some info on my new gamehosting. |
| 17:57.52 | SeaSharp | I did not see a difference baron |
| 17:57.52 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, no, they did in 2.1 |
| 17:57.54 | SeaSharp | :) |
| 17:58.18 | JeffM2501 | SeaSharp, I know you did that, still don't know what it has to do with efnet ;) |
| 17:58.19 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501, I know about the -a |
| 17:58.20 | SeaSharp | 2.1 is not available for linux yet, is it? |
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| 17:58.31 | TheRedBaron | err scratch that |
| 17:58.32 | JeffM2501 | SeaSharp, it's in cvs |
| 17:58.34 | SeaSharp | absolutely nothing jeff:) |
| 17:58.36 | TheRedBaron | duh. |
| 17:58.40 | Tupone | SeaSharp: 2.1 is kinda broken |
| 17:58.48 | SeaSharp | ahh |
| 17:58.55 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, I swear I didn't do it :) |
| 17:59.00 | SeaSharp | I run 2.0.6 right now on my personal box |
| 17:59.01 | Tupone | lol |
| 17:59.15 | JeffM2501 | but yes 2.1 is the dev version, it is not compatable with current servers, and is in a very unstable state |
| 17:59.16 | TheRedBaron | Tupone, you fall for that one, he'll give you another ;) |
| 17:59.25 | SeaSharp | good to know |
| 18:00.00 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, you good to go for a 2.0.8 this weekend? |
| 18:00.11 | JeffM2501 | get it out and done |
| 18:00.29 | Tupone | yep, I cannot do the other weekend as I'll be out of Italy |
| 18:00.41 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:00.46 | Tupone | so tomorrow or 3 weeks later |
| 18:00.47 | JeffM2501 | so shoot for tomorow then? |
| 18:00.48 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:00.51 | JeffM2501 | where ya off to? |
| 18:00.55 | JeffM2501 | fun and sun? |
| 18:00.58 | Tupone | HU |
| 18:01.04 | JeffM2501 | Hungry? |
| 18:01.11 | Tupone | with the a |
| 18:01.14 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:01.16 | JeffM2501 | sorry |
| 18:01.19 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:01.32 | Tupone | no fun, well, not the main reason :) |
| 18:01.50 | JeffM2501 | for your work? |
| 18:01.53 | Tupone | yep |
| 18:02.26 | JeffM2501 | are there any outstanding issues you know of? |
| 18:02.37 | JeffM2501 | I'll try to remember to test the debian thing tonight |
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| 18:03.02 | Tupone | no, well, maybe a crash, but I cannot get anymore, now that my machine can produce cure |
| 18:03.09 | Tupone | core :) |
| 18:03.26 | Tupone | well, actually to cure the core |
| 18:03.40 | orange | JeffM2501: did you see the discussions about that timekeeper thing? |
| 18:03.48 | orange | I don't really understand it, but it might be something to include |
| 18:03.48 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 18:03.56 | JeffM2501 | who was involved in it? |
| 18:04.01 | JeffM2501 | and what is the problem with it? |
| 18:04.09 | orange | hang on |
| 18:04.35 | orange | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/53571 |
| 18:04.52 | orange | this is a patch that menotume did for the silvercat server running on bzflag.bz so that the timer would end the game |
| 18:04.58 | orange | otherwise it just kept running |
| 18:05.11 | orange | when brlcad saw it, he said that the original "!countdownPauseStart" was bogus anyway |
| 18:05.22 | orange | and that several other instances of that exist in the code, and should be fixed |
| 18:05.34 | JeffM2501 | ok, I"ll talk to him about it when I see him then |
| 18:10.05 | blast007 | brlcad also mentioned that it should be >= 0.0f instead of != 0.0f too |
| 18:10.28 | brad | global auth seems to be down |
| 18:10.32 | orange | menotume is probably not happy that I put this patch out there... he never intended for it to be right, just for it to fix our problems quickly :-) |
| 18:10.33 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 18:10.39 | brad | list is fine though |
| 18:10.51 | blast007 | s/>=/>/ |
| 18:11.07 | JeffM2501 | auth is list |
| 18:11.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah checking for 0.0 equality on a floag is just asking for trouble |
| 18:11.42 | JeffM2501 | special when it comes out of a calc |
| 18:12.06 | orange | unless it's explicitly set to 0.0 somewhere else, yes |
| 18:12.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:12.32 | orange | like I said, I don't think meno thought this was good work or he'd have submitted it... it was 'oh man, this is broken, let's get it working' |
| 18:12.35 | blast007 | well, I'm not getting auth.. |
| 18:12.37 | orange | but it may need to be addressed |
| 18:12.43 | orange | or maybe not, since nobody else is complaining :-) |
| 18:12.52 | JeffM2501 | but then it's been like it is for HOW long? |
| 18:12.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:12.57 | orange | exactly |
| 18:13.04 | orange | and on 2/3 machines I run bzfs on, it works |
| 18:13.08 | JeffM2501 | I"ll ask him how nasty it is |
| 18:13.09 | orange | on 1/3 it doesn't |
| 18:14.27 | menotume | orange: i think brlcad ultimately made the patch, IIRC |
| 18:15.19 | orange | menotume: ah, ok. Sorry :-) |
| 18:15.34 | menotume | or, i did it one way, and the brl guy thought it should be different, i don't remember :) |
| 18:15.58 | menotume | had to do with null checking on a TimeKeeper object |
| 18:16.02 | orange | I'm glad you're here, though, as I'm completely making this stuff up as I go, because I never looked into the issue enough to understand it :-) |
| 18:16.27 | JeffM2501 | well if the patch was good, you'd think he'd have commited it |
| 18:16.47 | menotume | it would be more starightforward if we simply used a float, instead of those aweful TimeKeeper methods :) |
| 18:17.08 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:17.10 | JeffM2501 | yes it would |
| 18:17.49 | L4m3r | I was rather amused by TimeKeeper::sunExplodeTime |
| 18:18.00 | L4m3r | or whatever it was |
| 18:18.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:18.14 | menotume | TimeKeeper:getNullSunExplodeTime |
| 18:18.21 | menotume | :) |
| 18:18.21 | JeffM2501 | I've been only using .getSeconds() for new stuff in playground |
| 18:18.24 | L4m3r | hehe |
| 18:18.25 | JeffM2501 | so it's easy to move |
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| 18:44.35 | bryjen | ~spell aweful |
| 18:45.09 | JeffM2501 | awefull the AWOL ELF |
| 18:45.22 | bryjen | unless he meant "full of awe" |
| 18:45.24 | bryjen | ;) |
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| 19:38.45 | Tupone | brlcad: where? |
| 19:43.26 | menotume | good question, i can't find him |
| 19:43.44 | _Manu_ | he is at a secret server |
| 19:44.02 | _Manu_ | but I can't tell you because it's secret ;) |
| 19:44.23 | Tupone | how do you know? |
| 19:44.38 | _Manu_ | this is also a secret :) |
| 19:44.45 | menotume | bet i can find him :) |
| 19:45.03 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 19:46.07 | SportChick | I found him |
| 19:46.12 | SportChick | he's not hard to find |
| 19:50.36 | Tupone | SportChick: where ? |
| 19:51.02 | SportChick | 0probox.shacknet.nu:4320 |
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| 19:59.58 | Tupone | too laggy |
| 20:00.59 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 20:01.26 | _Manu_ | I lag 240 ms there... so I guess the server is at US |
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| 20:10.08 | L4m3r | well that was fun. |
| 20:10.20 | Gnurdux | what was?" |
| 20:10.21 | learner_hunter | :) |
| 20:11.47 | L4m3r | what do you think of the map, meno? |
| 20:11.58 | learner_hunter | pretty good |
| 20:12.38 | L4m3r | originally tropican8 had it so there was one tele at the end |
| 20:12.50 | Tupone | very laggy and sometime I'm killed twice with same stray |
| 20:12.52 | L4m3r | going to the right base was a matter of chance |
| 20:13.03 | learner_hunter | ohh |
| 20:13.07 | L4m3r | Where are you, tupone? |
| 20:13.17 | Tupone | Roma |
| 20:13.20 | learner_hunter | i think i'd like to see something between the tp and base |
| 20:13.42 | learner_hunter | or, maybe tp on each side |
| 20:13.46 | L4m3r | yeah, I had recommended he put the base at one end of the "room" in there |
| 20:13.50 | learner_hunter | instead of together |
| 20:14.18 | L4m3r | nah, the "one direction" thing is his whole concept |
| 20:14.26 | _Manu_ | learner_hunter, fun nick ;) |
| 20:14.36 | L4m3r | It's all about controlling the north half |
| 20:14.51 | learner_hunter | ya |
| 20:14.59 | _Manu_ | but you has voice :) |
| 20:15.05 | _Manu_ | s/has/have |
| 20:15.07 | learner_hunter | hehe |
| 20:16.15 | L4m3r | it seems that people have a lot of trouble with west coast servers |
| 20:16.34 | _Manu_ | too laggy for european players |
| 20:16.39 | L4m3r | :\ |
| 20:16.40 | JeffM2501 | west coast is way too cool for the rest of the country |
| 20:16.41 | menotume | it's against the gulfstream |
| 20:16.53 | L4m3r | JeffM2501: Damn straight :D |
| 20:17.25 | _Manu_ | L4m3r, same lag at MOFO |
| 20:17.26 | L4m3r | I think having the big server in San Diego is awesome. I get like 15ms ping, haha |
| 20:17.40 | L4m3r | almost all our games are hosted on that same pipe |
| 20:17.55 | _Manu_ | yes.. and the same plugins :) |
| 20:18.12 | L4m3r | except mine, which are hosted on my box |
| 20:18.31 | L4m3r | but that's in Los Angeles so it doesn't help much, heh |
| 20:18.56 | _Manu_ | Los Angeles are near the heaven ;) |
| 20:20.06 | L4m3r | Makes sence, since no one can drive there either |
| 20:20.14 | L4m3r | sense* |
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| 20:21.10 | JeffM2501 | I can drive to LA |
| 20:21.14 | JeffM2501 | takes about a hour |
| 20:21.23 | menotume | me too, takes about 5 days |
| 20:21.28 | L4m3r | lol |
| 20:21.29 | JeffM2501 | less if I ride |
| 20:21.39 | L4m3r | sounds like fun |
| 20:22.01 | menotume | 60 days if i ride :) |
| 20:22.06 | L4m3r | it takes about an hour to get out of this place, regarless of destination |
| 20:22.21 | JeffM2501 | naw |
| 20:22.26 | menotume | L4m3r: start from somewhere else then, DIH |
| 20:22.30 | menotume | DOH |
| 20:22.40 | JeffM2501 | only if you just get on the 405 |
| 20:23.48 | L4m3r | 405 is death |
| 20:24.07 | L4m3r | the only freeway that's safe to cross during rush hour, because it's not moving |
| 20:26.05 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, it seems that brad is hosting a MoFo server |
| 20:27.03 | L4m3r | yes, AFAIK it's run on our box. |
| 20:27.31 | Gnurdux | whaat? |
| 20:27.53 | Gnurdux | why does it say brad.bzflag.bz? |
| 20:28.03 | L4m3r | oh, then I guess not |
| 20:28.07 | TheRedBaron | then its run on brlcad's box |
| 20:28.27 | Gnurdux | wait brad.bzflag.org |
| 20:28.28 | L4m3r | but either way I think it's authorized |
| 20:29.10 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, anyone can have a *.bzflag.org domain point anywhere |
| 20:29.33 | JeffM2501 | brlcad's serve now hosts the .bz and some of the .org sites/servers |
| 20:38.20 | JeffM2501 | hmm only 550 instances of TimeKeeper..... |
| 20:47.09 | brlcad | JeffM2501: there were only like 3 situations where someone was doing a ! on a timekeeper |
| 20:47.19 | brlcad | all associated with the match timing |
| 20:47.21 | JeffM2501 | that's not bad |
| 20:47.29 | brlcad | it was one edit |
| 20:47.36 | JeffM2501 | so you checked it in ? |
| 20:47.37 | brlcad | someone just made a boo boo that happened to work under linux |
| 20:47.44 | brad | win 20 |
| 20:47.51 | brad | oosp |
| 20:48.03 | brlcad | brad: that's too many |
| 20:48.20 | brad | heh not enough ;) |
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| 20:52.27 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, why cant plugins define a rabbit choice algorithm? |
| 20:52.42 | Gnurdux | make a eNewRabbitEvent and a ChangeRabbit functiom |
| 20:52.43 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, because it's not implemented |
| 20:52.55 | JeffM2501 | noone made those functions |
| 20:53.00 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 20:53.14 | L4m3r | Gnu, you need to learn how to ask a question nicely :P |
| 20:53.20 | JeffM2501 | the answer to almost every single one of your "why isn't.." questions wil lbe the same |
| 20:53.49 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, that would be a cool API funct wouldnt it |
| 20:54.09 | L4m3r | yes, it would, and I'm sure it'll come eventually |
| 20:54.15 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, would it be possible to change rabbits without the old rabbit dying? |
| 20:54.31 | L4m3r | It doesn't matter, really, once 2.0.8 is released we'll have what we have and be on our own for everything else |
| 20:54.59 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, I don't remember how the rabbit stuff works on the client side |
| 20:55.01 | JeffM2501 | it may be |
| 20:55.05 | JeffM2501 | look and see |
| 20:55.11 | Gnurdux | we can start a CVS for improvements to 2.0-branch L4m3r .. call it 2.0.9 |
| 20:55.16 | JeffM2501 | I don't know all the code off the top of my heads |
| 20:55.17 | Gnurdux | maybe server-only |
| 20:55.31 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, 2.0.8 will be it |
| 20:55.34 | JeffM2501 | no more after that |
| 20:55.35 | L4m3r | heads? :P |
| 20:55.46 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, I keep a backakup ;) |
| 20:55.47 | Gnurdux | unless someone starts a new repo |
| 20:55.53 | L4m3r | hehe |
| 20:55.58 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, then it's not bzflag, and they can do what ever they want |
| 20:56.02 | Gnurdux | ill host a CVS repo for improvements to 2.0.x |
| 20:56.06 | Gnurdux | server-only |
| 20:56.14 | Gnurdux | until 2.1 |
| 20:56.20 | JeffM2501 | what ever you want to do in your fork, tha'ts fine |
| 20:56.26 | Gnurdux | and it will call itself bzfs2.0.9 |
| 20:56.28 | L4m3r | I think the idea is to put all the new stuff into 2.1 |
| 20:56.37 | Gnurdux | but 2.1 wont come for aaaggges |
| 20:56.42 | L4m3r | stopping at 2.0.8 will force 2.1 to move forward faster |
| 20:56.53 | Gnurdux | yes true |
| 20:56.59 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, we average a couple releases a year |
| 20:57.08 | Gnurdux | but mods like mine and yours we could put in the alternative repo |
| 20:57.17 | JeffM2501 | 2.1 could go faster if you put time into it, isntead of your own side branch |
| 20:57.18 | *** join/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (n=Blue@host155-145.pool8260.interbusiness.it) |
| 20:57.30 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, who do you mean by "yours" ? |
| 20:57.38 | Gnurdux | L4m3r |
| 20:57.42 | Gnurdux | the one for Steal the Bacon |
| 20:57.52 | JeffM2501 | what ever floats your boats |
| 20:57.53 | L4m3r | I don't plan on releasing that, ever |
| 20:57.57 | Gnurdux | why not? |
| 20:58.04 | L4m3r | it's a mess |
| 20:58.04 | Gnurdux | that plugin |
| 20:58.04 | Gnurdux | but the mod |
| 20:58.07 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't have to release it |
| 20:58.12 | JeffM2501 | let him be if he doisn't want to |
| 20:58.19 | JeffM2501 | remember that talk we had yesterday? |
| 20:58.24 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, i might make my own plugin that could do the same thing |
| 20:58.36 | L4m3r | the STB plugin hardly does anything |
| 20:58.44 | Gnurdux | Round-Based CTF: when anyone captures the flag, everyone is killed and flags are reset |
| 20:58.48 | L4m3r | in fact, the whole system hardly does anything- it just messes with flags |
| 20:58.53 | Gnurdux | that could do an STB style game |
| 20:59.04 | L4m3r | not quite, it takes some flag tweaks |
| 20:59.08 | Gnurdux | yes, and thats mods |
| 20:59.10 | Gnurdux | but thats simple |
| 20:59.15 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, whats the mess then? |
| 20:59.24 | L4m3r | the flag tweaks :) |
| 20:59.30 | Gnurdux | why are they so messy? |
| 20:59.47 | L4m3r | because they're all over, and rather hackish. |
| 20:59.58 | Gnurdux | it cant be done all in CmdLineOptions? |
| 20:59.59 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, why do you always ask "why" |
| 20:59.59 | Gnurdux | :( |
| 21:00.03 | JeffM2501 | why can't you just accept things |
| 21:00.18 | brlcad | or contribute and do something about it |
| 21:00.21 | L4m3r | if I wanted a "production" version, I'd try to get some code into CVS to make things more flexible, and have a plugin control everything |
| 21:00.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah you are staring to be more trouble then your worth |
| 21:00.37 | brlcad | instead of just slowing everyone else down by asking 21 questions |
| 21:02.56 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, actually tho the mod i was talking about made it into 2.1, dont change score with spawnOnBase |
| 21:03.07 | brlcad | like go work on your plugin some more, or work on a bzfs patch |
| 21:03.43 | Gnurdux | brlcad, im not working on any bzflag plugins or patches right now |
| 21:04.15 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, that is why he's telling to do GO do some |
| 21:04.19 | L4m3r | yeah, that's a bug, it had to be fixed |
| 21:04.27 | JeffM2501 | instead of asking 1000 questions a day |
| 21:04.28 | Gnurdux | but they didnt fix in 2.0 |
| 21:04.32 | JeffM2501 | for things you can research yourself |
| 21:05.13 | JeffM2501 | not all bugs can be fixed in a 2.0.x verison if old clients wll not pick up the new behavor |
| 21:05.31 | Gnurdux | im tlaking about server-only fixes |
| 21:05.39 | JeffM2501 | no your not |
| 21:05.42 | TheRedBaron | i guess this would not be good time to ask to ask why, with windows, does everyone go NR after X amount of time when you are in obs? |
| 21:05.50 | JeffM2501 | and I was speaking in general |
| 21:06.11 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, they do? |
| 21:06.14 | Gnurdux | not changing score with spawn on base can be fixed without touching clients |
| 21:06.31 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, ok, then it i'll be fixed in the server on 2.1 |
| 21:06.40 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501, yup. you have to reconnect, and then you can observe the action for a little while, and then poof! |
| 21:06.43 | Gnurdux | it already has |
| 21:06.45 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.8 is not out to fix every single bug |
| 21:06.48 | TheRedBaron | all the tanks are NR |
| 21:06.50 | brlcad | Gnurdux: think of it like coupons.. you only have so many coupons before people will not want to interact with you any more |
| 21:06.53 | JeffM2501 | you NEED to understand that and STOP buging us about it |
| 21:07.05 | brlcad | you can use all those coupons asking questions, or you can use them working with someone to integrate a fix |
| 21:07.20 | brlcad | for your changes earlier, you mostly wasted all your coupons asking questions |
| 21:07.24 | brlcad | so it didn't make it |
| 21:07.58 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, I've never seen that before |
| 21:08.08 | TheRedBaron | this is with DSL and a D-link router |
| 21:08.15 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501, odd |
| 21:08.15 | JeffM2501 | hard to say |
| 21:08.23 | TheRedBaron | its quite a commen bug |
| 21:08.26 | brlcad | TheRedBaron: i've seen similar on windows |
| 21:08.30 | TheRedBaron | AFAIK |
| 21:08.37 | JeffM2501 | then somone should debug it |
| 21:08.43 | brlcad | not on a system I could debug with unfortunatley |
| 21:09.00 | JeffM2501 | if you remind me tonight or tomorow I can try to dupe it |
| 21:09.06 | JeffM2501 | when I'm at home |
| 21:09.08 | TheRedBaron | and your lag slowly increases |
| 21:09.27 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501, I"ll try for tonight, i might be on |
| 21:09.33 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:09.53 | brlcad | alas, it was also through a dlink router iirc so i wouldn't be surprised if it was some problem with udp stuff getting dropped |
| 21:09.56 | JeffM2501 | have to remember to do that, and try the debian package tonight |
| 21:10.04 | JeffM2501 | it may be |
| 21:10.06 | brlcad | there's not much fault tolerance for a udp packet that never makes it |
| 21:10.10 | JeffM2501 | since you proably don't SEND any UDP |
| 21:10.12 | JeffM2501 | just get it |
| 21:10.33 | JeffM2501 | I don't have a dlink |
| 21:10.40 | brlcad | most of us have routers that work :) |
| 21:10.41 | JeffM2501 | I have a linksys somewhere |
| 21:10.50 | JeffM2501 | my modem is my router |
| 21:10.51 | JeffM2501 | wetell |
| 21:10.53 | brlcad | this was at a friends house in my case |
| 21:11.04 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501, is that safe? no router? |
| 21:11.10 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, sure |
| 21:11.13 | JeffM2501 | the router is built into the modem |
| 21:11.16 | TheRedBaron | ah |
| 21:11.21 | JeffM2501 | it's just not another box |
| 21:11.31 | JeffM2501 | most new DSL modems are also nat routers/ firewalls |
| 21:11.31 | brlcad | TheRedBaron: you could check if there is a firmware update for your router on the vendor's website -- that's the easiest thing to try |
| 21:11.54 | JeffM2501 | if I can't dupe it, I could add a small client option to send a UDP hearbeat packet out to the server too |
| 21:11.57 | JeffM2501 | to see if that helps |
| 21:12.10 | TheRedBaron | brlcad, last i tried that (in the fall) with a dlink, it fried the router, I was not happy with dlink |
| 21:12.13 | JeffM2501 | I don't think that kid will ever learn |
| 21:12.29 | brlcad | TheRedBaron: yeesh |
| 21:12.29 | TheRedBaron | so i'm leary of firmware updates |
| 21:12.32 | L4m3r | he PMed me about that repository |
| 21:12.44 | TheRedBaron | And I was being walked through it by a dlink technician |
| 21:12.45 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, you COULD try to run sans router for a test |
| 21:12.53 | brlcad | JeffM2501: his questions have slowly (ever so slowly) become more and more intelligent |
| 21:12.55 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, he REALY wants to be a big part of the project |
| 21:13.00 | L4m3r | I mean, seriously, why fork off and develop crap when it's just going to dead-end with the 2.1 migration? sheesh |
| 21:13.03 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yes he is learning the code |
| 21:13.07 | JeffM2501 | but not the social part |
| 21:13.11 | JeffM2501 | that's what he'll never learn |
| 21:13.24 | TheRedBaron | where did he come from? |
| 21:13.28 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, cus forks are cool ;) |
| 21:13.34 | brlcad | i mean also that he's stopped asking some of his completely absurd questions |
| 21:13.35 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, the interweb |
| 21:13.48 | brlcad | "why is the game called bzflag?" |
| 21:14.07 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501, I COULD try to run a sans router... if I had a slight idea on how :) |
| 21:14.08 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I'm more concernd about the fact that his questions are allways about things he coudl find out himself |
| 21:14.21 | JeffM2501 | that part has not changed |
| 21:14.23 | brlcad | yep |
| 21:14.36 | JeffM2501 | and since his questions are geting better, that means he does have memory |
| 21:14.51 | JeffM2501 | and is willingly NOT doing the research like we keep telling him |
| 21:14.59 | brlcad | it's a culture of some kids i know in person too.. they ask questions constantly without thinking at all |
| 21:15.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:15.09 | menotume | why ? |
| 21:15.16 | brlcad | i generally make sure that stops pretty quick when they're around me |
| 21:15.17 | JeffM2501 | parents and schools just spoon feed them |
| 21:15.22 | menotume | why ? |
| 21:15.29 | JeffM2501 | menotume, cus blrcad says so |
| 21:15.32 | L4m3r | ~lart menotume |
| 21:15.33 | menotume | why ? |
| 21:15.36 | menotume | :P |
| 21:15.37 | JeffM2501 | he's got a big book |
| 21:15.40 | JeffM2501 | that people kill over |
| 21:15.47 | JeffM2501 | and that's good enough for you ;) |
| 21:15.54 | brlcad | it's not the inquisitive 3-year-old why why why questions |
| 21:16.22 | TheRedBaron | thats when the process of natural selection seems feasible |
| 21:16.23 | brlcad | the kid's in his double digit years, able to reason and think things through |
| 21:16.32 | TheRedBaron | but then one begins to suspect how we made it this far |
| 21:16.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah the world will kick his ass if he can't get it fixed up |
| 21:16.46 | brlcad | just is accustomed to asking for the answer |
| 21:16.58 | brlcad | making others do work for them |
| 21:16.59 | JeffM2501 | his first resarch paper will be his doom |
| 21:17.15 | L4m3r | Ha. |
| 21:17.17 | brlcad | nah, he'll basically get someone else to help him through it |
| 21:17.19 | JeffM2501 | and his dads a univeristy professor |
| 21:17.22 | JeffM2501 | it's gonna be halarious |
| 21:17.23 | L4m3r | or his first computer science project |
| 21:17.29 | brlcad | like his dad |
| 21:17.32 | JeffM2501 | he says he dosn't want to be a programer |
| 21:17.34 | TheRedBaron | I'm all about asking questions - but there is a knack/talent to asking questions |
| 21:17.57 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, your questions are about things that you generaly don't have access to the answers |
| 21:18.04 | JeffM2501 | your not a programer, so we understand |
| 21:18.29 | JeffM2501 | with him every day it's a quesion on why I didn't implement "THIS" api function |
| 21:18.31 | TheRedBaron | When I was young (groan) My grandpa once told me, that experience is the best teacher, get it as cheap as you can, most people will give it free, if you ask the right way" |
| 21:18.48 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501, and that I appreciate ;) |
| 21:19.13 | brlcad | there's also a rate to the questions and realizing what questions really aren't worth asking |
| 21:19.14 | JeffM2501 | happilay L4m3r is gnardy's new best friend ;) |
| 21:19.27 | TheRedBaron | and while i wax eloquent - Certain people are a well of information, but it takes a certain knack/skill to draw from those wells |
| 21:19.43 | TheRedBaron | w00t for L4m3r |
| 21:19.44 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:19.48 | L4m3r | psh, I still give him a hard time when you guys do |
| 21:20.06 | brlcad | not nearly as much :) |
| 21:20.22 | JeffM2501 | yesterday he somone comes on and the first thing he says to them is that there code sucks |
| 21:20.26 | JeffM2501 | and is messy and ugly |
| 21:20.45 | TheRedBaron | oh yea! that just makes you feel warm, bubbly, and want to fix it. RIght? |
| 21:21.03 | menotume | ~idk Gnurdux |
| 21:21.06 | ibot | I don't know, Gnurdux, trying looking at the code |
| 21:21.17 | TheRedBaron | ~menotume++ |
| 21:21.20 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:21.35 | L4m3r | just like "why can't plugins do _____" really makes you all want to implement crap for the API, right? |
| 21:21.39 | JeffM2501 | mostly I'm thinking "who does he think he is.. he makes hella mess y code too" |
| 21:22.00 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, makes me want to go all trepan and pull it from 2.1 |
| 21:22.11 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:22.27 | L4m3r | trepan pulled his stuff from 2.1? |
| 21:22.32 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:22.40 | JeffM2501 | don't think he has much |
| 21:22.45 | brlcad | ~seen trepan |
| 21:22.55 | ibot | trepan <n=trepan@unaffiliated/trepan> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5d 3h 37m 13s ago, saying: 'and the effect?'. |
| 21:22.56 | L4m3r | oh |
| 21:22.56 | JeffM2501 | but he's pulled code from 2.0.x |
| 21:23.05 | brlcad | he has a massive patch pending afaik |
| 21:23.06 | JeffM2501 | he's probalby on a hand break |
| 21:23.12 | brlcad | if he ever returns |
| 21:23.13 | JeffM2501 | if he does it |
| 21:23.32 | L4m3r | well, I guess he got tired of being annoyed, heh |
| 21:23.33 | JeffM2501 | it's all his shader stuff |
| 21:23.58 | JeffM2501 | he felt that the people who would use his code were not worth the effort he put into making it |
| 21:23.58 | L4m3r | "I'll put it in 2.1" is sorta like "I'll do it someday", no real deadline... well, not yet anyway |
| 21:24.10 | JeffM2501 | considering they are mostly a body of whiny babys |
| 21:27.12 | brlcad | you mean.. |
| 21:27.17 | brlcad | they annoy him?? |
| 21:27.21 | brlcad | *ahem* |
| 21:27.41 | L4m3r | :\ |
| 21:27.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:28.05 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it was a direct annoance |
| 21:28.08 | JeffM2501 | more if being discusted |
| 21:28.11 | L4m3r | I have a slight feeling that louman's reaction had something to do with it |
| 21:28.16 | L4m3r | ...also |
| 21:28.26 | L4m3r | at least for the bzw stuff |
| 21:28.41 | JeffM2501 | it sucks when you put in all the work... then a bunch of what seem to be brats whine over it |
| 21:28.48 | JeffM2501 | or don't eve understand |
| 21:28.58 | JeffM2501 | or try to understand |
| 21:29.05 | L4m3r | yes, been there, believe me. |
| 21:29.11 | JeffM2501 | makes bzflag seem like "my first tank game" |
| 21:30.13 | JeffM2501 | or the comunit look like IE in that "wheeeee" firefox video ;) |
| 21:30.18 | JeffM2501 | comunity |
| 21:30.25 | L4m3r | hahaha... :x |
| 21:31.01 | L4m3r | I know I've been "like that", heh, and I apologize |
| 21:31.11 | JeffM2501 | over time I've been able to place most of the people into one of the 4 main groups of bzflag comunity members |
| 21:31.32 | L4m3r | what are they? |
| 21:31.43 | JeffM2501 | assholes, preachers, kids, and developers |
| 21:31.53 | L4m3r | lol! |
| 21:32.11 | menotume | so, devs are not any of the others, cool |
| 21:32.31 | JeffM2501 | tho "munchkins" is a better term for the kids |
| 21:32.33 | *** join/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 21:32.34 | L4m3r | preachers? the type that say that things SHOULD be this way but can't provide code? |
| 21:32.35 | JeffM2501 | well some people span |
| 21:32.43 | menotume | yes :) |
| 21:32.47 | L4m3r | :\ |
| 21:32.54 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, more of an aplication of there personal morals to everyone else |
| 21:33.03 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:33.11 | JeffM2501 | but yes in general the developers are a more serious bunch when they need to be |
| 21:33.16 | L4m3r | well in that case, guilty, to an extent |
| 21:33.24 | JeffM2501 | and in general more understanding of big picture things |
| 21:33.51 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, everyone has a little of each in em, but what you have the most of is your "category" :) |
| 21:33.56 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:34.07 | JeffM2501 | DB == is the Aholes Poster child |
| 21:34.21 | L4m3r | I'm violently anti-camper, heh. But I deal with it on my server, so that's my right |
| 21:35.04 | L4m3r | and the devs are also nearly-endless fountains of knowledge, so I try to be nice :) |
| 21:35.18 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:35.28 | JeffM2501 | nothing in the universe is 100% |
| 21:35.36 | JeffM2501 | I just notice that people tend to fall into those main groups |
| 21:35.46 | JeffM2501 | then ones I interact with |
| 21:35.48 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:35.53 | JeffM2501 | there is probalby a 5th group of quiet people |
| 21:35.56 | JeffM2501 | who just play |
| 21:35.59 | L4m3r | yeah |
| 21:36.28 | L4m3r | the kids and assholes' groups get blended together a lot... by nature :P |
| 21:36.40 | JeffM2501 | no not so much |
| 21:36.43 | JeffM2501 | Aholes are mean |
| 21:36.46 | menotume | DBs, preachers/know it alls, kids, devs, unknown (silent type) |
| 21:36.49 | JeffM2501 | munchkins ar emisgueded |
| 21:36.58 | L4m3r | I think it's a common ground of immaturity |
| 21:37.03 | JeffM2501 | they are anoying, but not mean |
| 21:37.10 | JeffM2501 | they can grow up into aholes |
| 21:37.18 | L4m3r | all those "I'm a big kid now" Admins... you know, that "crowd" |
| 21:37.30 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's the typical kid/munchkin |
| 21:37.35 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:37.39 | JeffM2501 | that is not even close to DB and the others |
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| 21:37.59 | JeffM2501 | a munchkin with power.. it still a munchkin |
| 21:38.24 | L4m3r | I guess. |
| 21:38.25 | JeffM2501 | now like theredbaron there, he's not a developer, but he has the mindset of one.. so he fits into that group |
| 21:38.46 | brlcad | s/developers/contributors/ .. sometimes it's even folks that can't write a lick of code |
| 21:38.50 | L4m3r | I think in the project the term is used rather loosely |
| 21:38.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:38.53 | brlcad | but that still provide something |
| 21:38.59 | JeffM2501 | or just "sane people" |
| 21:39.03 | L4m3r | heh |
| 21:39.35 | JeffM2501 | now what I need to do in Playground is make a way to flag each account, with one of those types, and put an icon next to each name :) |
| 21:40.23 | L4m3r | there are also the people who are just nice, helpful, and/or generous in general, who aren't necessarily knowledgeable |
| 21:40.45 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to be knowledgeable to want to help |
| 21:40.52 | L4m3r | exactly. |
| 21:41.24 | L4m3r | not so much the developer types, but good in other ways. |
| 21:41.24 | brlcad | you don't even have to be knowledgeable to be helpful |
| 21:41.57 | JeffM2501 | well you can be knoledgable and use your powers for evil |
| 21:42.07 | JeffM2501 | as we've seen |
| 21:42.07 | L4m3r | *cough* |
| 21:42.24 | Gnurdux | who are you referring to there? |
| 21:42.26 | JeffM2501 | now I know why they have "computers and society" classes as a CS requirement |
| 21:42.33 | brlcad | hard to be evil without a cat |
| 21:42.36 | Gnurdux | cheaters? |
| 21:42.57 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I hear the new evil people use a cat tamagotchi |
| 21:43.02 | JeffM2501 | much more portable |
| 21:43.06 | L4m3r | I mean, like, a lot of the big server owners, and the peepz-types who help everyone |
| 21:43.36 | L4m3r | I'd have brought my cat if they were allowed. he'd love all the attention here. |
| 21:43.42 | JeffM2501 | well if you look at the peepz's origins you'll see how it rleates to the first part of that sentance |
| 21:43.54 | L4m3r | yup :) |
| 21:54.46 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, you ok for a .8 this weekend? |
| 21:56.31 | menotume | brlcad: should i test AC on FC3 ? |
| 21:56.38 | menotume | is that branch ? |
| 21:57.39 | menotume | nvm, i'll test it anyway :) |
| 21:58.46 | JeffM2501 | now if I wanted to do a test of the debian bilds that tim does, I can do a deb build on a 32 bit machine and just copy the deb to a 64 bit right? |
| 21:59.02 | JeffM2501 | does the deb build allways build 32? or does it crosscompile for other platforms? |
| 21:59.08 | JeffM2501 | like the 64s |
| 22:01.24 | menotume | ahh, i have a list server commit to make |
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| 22:13.50 | supertanker | my error logs are straight from hell... |
| 22:14.56 | L4m3r | All error logs are from hell. Just like crashes, bugs, natural disasters, and gay rights. |
| 22:15.06 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, be nice |
| 22:15.18 | L4m3r | it was a joke :P |
| 22:15.24 | JeffM2501 | to some it isn't |
| 22:15.26 | JeffM2501 | so be nice |
| 22:16.11 | supertanker | I from hell as in, "every time someone accesses a page I get three or four "style2.css not found" messages. |
| 22:16.26 | supertanker | i'm up to about 80 pages with 25 entries each |
| 22:16.32 | L4m3r | eek! |
| 22:16.41 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10db/bzfls.php: Speed up and reduce number of sql queries. |
| 22:16.47 | JeffM2501 | sonds like you got some debugin to do then |
| 22:17.17 | supertanker | just a tad |
| 22:17.25 | L4m3r | my friend/webhost whines at me for not having a favicon, heh |
| 22:17.27 | supertanker | as in, rewrite my template |
| 22:17.44 | JeffM2501 | supertanker, perhaps #html is best for you then |
| 22:19.14 | supertanker | no, I just have to remove a line of code. |
| 22:19.28 | JeffM2501 | what you have to do is fine |
| 22:19.32 | JeffM2501 | we just don't need to hear it |
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| 22:22.17 | TylerM | how come I always run into so many canadians when playing bzflag? |
| 22:22.52 | JeffM2501 | you play on the same servers as they do? |
| 22:23.31 | TylerM | i usually only play two different ones, but I've never known if they are canuck servers or something. hmm... maybe we just need to vent anger more? |
| 22:23.47 | JeffM2501 | there are a couple big ones in canada yeah |
| 22:24.30 | TylerM | who plays laumans laser mania one? It's a beauty. |
| 22:25.07 | TylerM | I'm on there aka spatialguru |
| 22:29.24 | Gnurdux | who wants to see something ridiculous: gnurdux.homelinux.net:5154 |
| 22:29.34 | Gnurdux | PZ shots are turned into SBs |
| 22:29.53 | Tupone | last good 2.1 version was dated 02/01/06 :( |
| 22:30.09 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, define "good" ? |
| 22:30.17 | Tupone | work |
| 22:30.28 | JeffM2501 | what doesn't work on it? |
| 22:30.34 | JeffM2501 | playground is based on it and it works |
| 22:31.17 | Tupone | slow, bots died after seconds after being shot |
| 22:31.33 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 22:31.43 | JeffM2501 | any idea what is causing it? |
| 22:31.44 | Tupone | I feel bad at playing |
| 22:32.40 | Tupone | nope ... too many problem to analyze at all. maybe when you tried to add server side bots ? |
| 22:33.10 | JeffM2501 | that should not affect the existing messages |
| 22:33.12 | Tupone | and slowness: I go from 230 FPS to 40, that maybe is the experimental setting |
| 22:33.37 | JeffM2501 | the only difrence in expermental is the new laser |
| 22:33.44 | menotume | OK, here's my question for the day .... Has the db 'repository' been removed from v2_0branch ? |
| 22:33.45 | JeffM2501 | the server side bots is just hooks |
| 22:33.46 | ruskie | new laser? |
| 22:33.47 | JeffM2501 | no actual code |
| 22:33.50 | ruskie | wht new laser? |
| 22:34.03 | ruskie | does it fry chickens now? |
| 22:34.15 | Tupone | so I don't know, perhaps moving the code around .. we loose something? |
| 22:34.20 | JeffM2501 | menotume, it was never part of the branch IIRC, the branch was only for the bzflag repo |
| 22:34.26 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, it's just graphical difs |
| 22:34.32 | Tupone | for the bots I mean, for the slownerss, I dunno |
| 22:34.43 | menotume | JeffM2501: ahhh, hta makes it easier :) |
| 22:35.00 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, for the slowness, go down to high.. that's what the old expermental was |
| 22:35.04 | JeffM2501 | see if that helps |
| 22:35.09 | JeffM2501 | for the bots, they are still client side |
| 22:35.15 | JeffM2501 | and too the server, exactly the same |
| 22:35.24 | Tupone | I think we loose some message |
| 22:35.31 | Tupone | dunno, just guessing |
| 22:35.32 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to know what |
| 22:35.37 | JeffM2501 | cus I did them one at a time |
| 22:35.48 | Tupone | I got the explosion, but the tank continue to drive away |
| 22:36.06 | JeffM2501 | now that may be cus I busted stuff in that bad merge |
| 22:36.45 | JeffM2501 | but just moving the messages around, I don't think any were missed |
| 22:36.53 | JeffM2501 | cus I never removed anything from the switch statement |
| 22:36.57 | JeffM2501 | just the code under them |
| 22:37.04 | JeffM2501 | I'll try it later tonight |
| 22:37.09 | JeffM2501 | see if I get the same problems |
| 22:37.13 | JeffM2501 | local server with some bots? |
| 22:37.19 | Tupone | yep |
| 22:37.21 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:37.27 | Tupone | an slowness |
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| 22:40.14 | Gnurdux | how do you make a shot limit? |
| 22:40.43 | L4m3r | -sl PZ 5 |
| 22:41.57 | JeffM2501 | for the slowness I did move all the expermental to high, and that could have done something |
| 22:42.01 | JeffM2501 | the old high is now medium |
| 22:42.05 | JeffM2501 | the old exp is now high |
| 22:42.16 | JeffM2501 | so we can test with difent settings and see what that gets us |
| 22:42.22 | JeffM2501 | low didn't change |
| 22:42.34 | JeffM2501 | so if low is slower on 2.1, then we know it's not those settings |
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| 22:43.18 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure we can bracket in on it |
| 22:43.52 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, what other changes besides mine have been made since it was "good" ? |
| 22:43.57 | JeffM2501 | can you get a list of commits? |
| 22:44.28 | Tupone | moving to high does not change |
| 22:44.35 | JeffM2501 | try low |
| 22:44.40 | JeffM2501 | just for the heck of it |
| 22:46.10 | Tupone | removing the energy saver help a lot |
| 22:46.52 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 22:46.56 | JeffM2501 | maybe that changed a bit |
| 22:47.01 | JeffM2501 | does it default to on now? |
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| 22:48.43 | Tupone | I don't remember the default. With energy saver off it work better, 180 FPS, does not seems so fluid as the one of 1-feb |
| 22:48.54 | Tupone | but much better then with 40 FPS |
| 22:49.10 | Tupone | bot problem is still there |
| 22:49.37 | brlcad | hehe, energy saver |
| 22:49.46 | brlcad | that's the entire point of the energy saver, to limit fps to a fixed rate |
| 22:49.57 | Tupone | brlcad: I know :) |
| 22:50.15 | Tupone | but however 40 FPS is too slow |
| 22:50.27 | brlcad | i've played with it at 40, though.. i think that's probably too low a default maybe |
| 22:51.15 | brlcad | the problem is that it should still process updates at a higher rate, just not update display |
| 22:51.41 | brlcad | it feels slower because it is.. input processing is tied to the framerate unfortunately |
| 22:51.51 | Mr_Molez | i thought the default was 30 ? |
| 22:52.03 | brlcad | it was, that was too slow |
| 22:52.07 | Mr_Molez | ah ok |
| 22:52.49 | bryjen | i've bumped mine up to 120, but the counter on the hud shows ~80 |
| 22:52.49 | brlcad | input processing should probably be fixed at some rate |
| 22:53.15 | brlcad | yeah, it's not throttling correctly |
| 22:55.55 | bryjen | i was trying to get right around refresh rate, so that's it. the number in the config isn't really important. it's just a bit mislabeled as "fps" |
| 22:59.26 | brlcad | it's supposed to be the fps |
| 23:03.42 | SportChick | ~lart brlcad |
| 23:03.57 | L4m3r | lol |
| 23:04.08 | JeffM2501 | I'll try a couple bots at home |
| 23:04.25 | JeffM2501 | it's possible that I changed a pack order, and updated the main client, but not the bot clients |
| 23:04.32 | JeffM2501 | if they do unpacks in difrent places |
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| 23:38.27 | SportChick | JeffM2501: is guu set up to do language translations? |
| 23:38.29 | menotume | !who is guu |
| 23:38.46 | SportChick | +x en de hello |
| 23:38.47 | menotume | $bot here ? |
| 23:39.02 | SportChick | awww guu is mia |
| 23:39.06 | menotume | +hello |
| 23:39.19 | SportChick | no guu |
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