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| 00:24.43 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07playground_branch * 10bzflag/data/title.png: for less confusion |
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| 00:27.29 | newnick | Hi |
| 00:27.50 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 00:34.01 | blast007 | JeffM2501: they were sure talkative :) |
| 00:34.12 | JeffM2501 | a yup |
| 00:38.19 | brlcad | L4m3r: actually it is a sphere, it's an ellipsoid (flattened sphere) only if you're carrying steamroller |
| 00:39.23 | brlcad | unless it's changed.. |
| 00:40.12 | JeffM2501 | how is florida? |
| 00:40.52 | brlcad | today was an excellent meeting |
| 00:40.56 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:41.08 | JeffM2501 | can you check and make sure a domain name works on the server? |
| 00:41.17 | JeffM2501 | list.bzflag.bz |
| 00:41.24 | JeffM2501 | old 1.10.8 URL |
| 00:41.49 | brlcad | what should that url go to? |
| 00:42.08 | JeffM2501 | same as my IIRC |
| 00:42.33 | JeffM2501 | some were using list.bzflag.bz/db/ |
| 00:43.00 | JeffM2501 | back in the day when we did that 1.10.8 just to get the list working, when lightning hit Tim's house |
| 00:43.30 | brlcad | ~nslookup list.bzflag.bz |
| 00:43.44 | brlcad | gotcha |
| 00:44.21 | brlcad | should webchat.bzflag.bz also get updated? |
| 00:44.36 | JeffM2501 | I'm sad.. dtr hasn't been around to say my ideas are evil, so I don't know if they are good or not :( |
| 00:44.43 | JeffM2501 | people use that URL? |
| 00:44.49 | JeffM2501 | I'd just make em use my |
| 00:44.54 | brlcad | cgi:irc used to used it |
| 00:45.10 | JeffM2501 | since that's just people, not software they are easyer to update ;) |
| 00:45.10 | brlcad | now it just says bz.bzflag.bz |
| 00:45.23 | JeffM2501 | it's up to you |
| 00:45.25 | JeffM2501 | a minor thing |
| 00:45.33 | brlcad | i think it can die |
| 00:46.05 | brlcad | can still tell by the username that it's cgi:irc |
| 00:46.14 | JeffM2501 | ya |
| 00:46.30 | brlcad | plus only a limited set of people can come in from bz.bzflag.bz.. and their username is going to be rather different |
| 00:46.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:47.10 | brlcad | ~nslookup list.bzflag.bz |
| 00:47.24 | brlcad | welp, it's changed.. just needs to propagate |
| 00:47.49 | JeffM2501 | for the ones that complain I'm having them manualy set to my.b.o |
| 00:47.53 | JeffM2501 | so that shoudl get them all |
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| 01:43.22 | menotume | ~nslookup list.bzflag.bz |
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| 02:01.00 | wegstar | later all |
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| 02:37.14 | bryjen | ~bryjen4 |
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| 03:39.46 | Mr_Molez | is there a way to disallow /listplugins ? |
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| 04:32.05 | JeffM2501 | you can not load them |
| 04:32.18 | JeffM2501 | oh you mean not list them? |
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| 05:27.27 | brlcad | rolling over the server now .. hopefully only a couple seconds downtime if I got the configuration correct on the first stab, otherwise a few minutes to bring it back on-line perhaps |
| 05:43.42 | trepan | nice, NVIDIA 87.56 linux drivers do proper run-time configurable vsync'ing |
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| 06:09.54 | brlcad | _Manu_: still working on the new configuration |
| 06:11.02 | _Manu_ | ah, hehe :) |
| 06:11.41 | brlcad | not sure why it won't take actually.. |
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| 06:23.34 | _Manu_ | brlcad, bzbb says You don't have permission to access /bb/ on this server. I this what isn't working? |
| 06:24.00 | _Manu_ | well really is my.bzflag.org |
| 06:26.59 | _Manu_ | .. nothing is working... :) |
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| 06:59.14 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (VerticalSync.cxx VerticalSync.h Makefile.am playing.cxx): add dynamic vertical sync control (vsync BZDB var) |
| 07:00.35 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/defaultBZDB.cxx: add the vsync default var |
| 07:03.50 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/VerticalSync.cxx: signed int for the test |
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| 07:40.31 | Usiu | Mr_Molez, Hi |
| 07:40.35 | Usiu | Mr_Molez, Something is broken... |
| 07:40.38 | Usiu | right ? |
| 07:41.54 | [dmp] | my.bzflag.org seems to be broken |
| 07:42.02 | [dmp] | no mysql-extention |
| 07:43.33 | Usiu | I wonder when it will be up |
| 07:43.36 | Usiu | and fixed |
| 07:44.04 | brlcad | it's being worked on |
| 07:44.48 | brlcad | been working on it for 2.2 hours now, maybe .3 to go |
| 07:45.21 | _Manu_ | brlcad, don't worry, no hurry ;) |
| 07:45.40 | Usiu | :) |
| 07:46.37 | Usiu | brlcad, what exacly happened ? |
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| 08:34.33 | Birdie | bzbb and league site down:( |
| 08:34.48 | L4m3r | yup. |
| 09:05.36 | _Manu_ | Birdie, work in progress |
| 09:08.51 | _Manu_ | now is up again |
| 09:09.08 | Birdie | ty |
| 09:09.10 | Birdie | :) |
| 09:17.07 | _Manu_ | Birdie, quick commit ;) |
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| 09:51.46 | gsnedders|away | _Manu_: any objections if I make the viper's website a bit more interesting... (in design terms) |
| 10:16.43 | _Manu_ | gsnedders|wet, no, but let me see it before ;) |
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| 10:36.32 | gsnedders | _Manu_: of course. I can't change it myself :) |
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| 11:24.14 | Mr_Molez | is there a way to disallow /listplugins ? |
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| 12:40.55 | brlcad | so, the new apache+php was installed last night.. i didn't have time to do more than barely get it back on-line but at a glance it seems to be working now |
| 12:40.59 | brlcad | including e-mail |
| 12:41.38 | _Manu_ | hehe ;) |
| 12:43.23 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat for casual chat || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable, use it for new commits || Version 2.0.6 Released - v2_0_6 tag in CVS or grab from sf.net || 2.0.7 version is at http://bzflag.bz/~atupone/bzflag-2.0.7.tar.bz2 || Li |
| 12:43.30 | brlcad | gah |
| 12:44.42 | _Manu_ | Li? :) |
| 12:46.49 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is 2.1 UNSTABLE, use for new commits || 2.0.6 is released - v2_0_6 tag in CVS || 2.0.7 is at http://bzflag.bz/~atupone/bzflag-2.0.7.tar.bz2 || http://my.bzflag.org (the list server) was upgraded to 'worker' Apache 2.2 + php5; needs tweaking and performance testing but seems to be better (e-mail work |
| 12:47.00 | brlcad | meh, close enough |
| 12:48.02 | *** topic/#bzflag by brlcad -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is 2.1 UNSTABLE, use for new commits || 2.0.6 is released - v2_0_6 tag in CVS || 2.0.7 is at http://bzflag.bz/~atupone/bzflag-2.0.7.tar.bz2 || List server: http://my.bzflag.org was upgraded to worker Apache 2.2 + php5; needs tweaking and performance testing but seems better (e-mail works again) |
| 12:48.03 | menotume | ah :) |
| 12:48.08 | brlcad | there, that's better |
| 12:48.52 | brlcad | i'm sure it still needs more work |
| 12:49.26 | brlcad | on the threading/tweaking side |
| 12:49.37 | menotume | ~brlcad++ |
| 12:49.40 | brlcad | but it should be functional again with a delay |
| 12:49.46 | brlcad | at worst |
| 12:50.09 | menotume | it waits for 'mail' to finish ? |
| 12:50.31 | brlcad | what's that? |
| 12:50.39 | menotume | /usr/sbin/mail |
| 12:50.43 | menotume | what php uses :) |
| 12:50.55 | menotume | err, sendmail |
| 12:50.56 | menotume | sry |
| 12:51.40 | brlcad | it uses sendmail/qmail -- still have to make sure phpbb and qmail are configured correctly now, but the tests work |
| 12:51.48 | brlcad | and there's no hanging afaikt |
| 12:52.32 | menotume | cool |
| 12:52.40 | brlcad | so have to keep an eye on it today |
| 12:52.52 | brlcad | alas I can't do much until 9 hours or so from now |
| 12:52.59 | menotume | ~dict kan |
| 12:53.26 | menotume | looks good to me so far :) |
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| 13:56.41 | SportChick | brlcad: forums are down |
| 13:56.46 | SportChick | menotume: same message :) |
| 13:59.23 | SportChick | php critical error - cannot connect to database |
| 13:59.47 | romfis | see config file |
| 13:59.58 | SportChick | romfis: huhn? |
| 14:00.11 | romfis | you see a config file ? |
| 14:00.31 | romfis | or what is that for a Forum version ? |
| 14:00.31 | SportChick | nope, was using my browser |
| 14:00.36 | romfis | from phpbb ? |
| 14:00.39 | SportChick | but it doesn't matter - it's working now |
| 14:00.46 | SportChick | romfis: it was the forums I was trying to access |
| 14:00.48 | SportChick | brb |
| 14:00.59 | _Manu_ | now is up again |
| 14:01.07 | romfis | ah, k |
| 14:18.54 | SportChick | ~wake Nidhoggr |
| 14:18.56 | ibot | Nidhoggr: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 14:19.54 | Nidhoggr | first good night's sleep since last week. didn't sleep well on the retreat. |
| 14:20.06 | Nidhoggr | had a great time, but not a lot of sleep. |
| 14:21.32 | Nidhoggr | friday I will start working on the bzflag server again. |
| 14:24.52 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: cool |
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| 14:46.22 | RPG_ | for the forums, should i go to my.bzflag.org or my.bzflag.bz ? |
| 14:47.23 | SportChick | RPG_: either should work |
| 14:47.32 | RPG_ | .bz seems to not store my login cookie |
| 14:47.34 | SportChick | RPG_: but they were down for a few minutes earlier |
| 14:47.39 | SportChick | I use .org |
| 14:47.42 | RPG_ | ok |
| 14:47.45 | RPG_ | are they the same though? |
| 14:58.07 | SportChick | RPG_: yes |
| 14:58.10 | RPG_ | ok |
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| 14:58.21 | SportChick | rp: it's better to use .org, though as it will point always to the correct place |
| 14:59.02 | SportChick | rofl, mozul made himself a "bzflag.org" t-shirt in second life! |
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| 15:32.30 | RPG_ | one more question |
| 15:32.50 | RPG_ | for the global auth page (http://my.bzflag.bz/weblogin.php) should i use .bz or .org? |
| 15:41.11 | SportChick | RPG_: I'd use .org for the same reasons I mentioned on your other channel |
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| 16:19.52 | Thumper_ | the list server is down again |
| 16:22.21 | Thumper_ | and it's working again :) |
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| 16:36.41 | Firebird | ~bzfquery cime.mine.nu:5154 |
| 16:42.32 | Firebird | ~bzfquery cime.mine.nu:5154 |
| 16:44.42 | Firebird | ~bzfquery cime.mine.nu:5154 |
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| 17:03.34 | Usiu | Mr_Molez, Hi |
| 17:03.38 | Usiu | Mr_Molez, server is up nice.. :) |
| 17:03.44 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/VerticalSync.cxx: doesn't skip delayed frames, odd spec |
| 17:03.46 | Mr_Molez | Usiu: great :) |
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| 17:37.49 | CIA-6 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (VerticalSync.cxx defaultBZDB.cxx): blind code, hackish windows setup |
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| 18:23.48 | SportChick | _Manu_: database error again |
| 18:24.06 | _Manu_ | yes, I see |
| 18:25.34 | Birdie | yay works again, ty |
| 18:25.40 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 18:25.51 | SportChick | ~_manu_++ |
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| 18:33.50 | Birdie | reset manu:) |
| 18:34.06 | Birdie | _Manu_ * |
| 18:34.19 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 18:34.31 | _Manu_ | :/ |
| 18:35.05 | _Manu_ | again up |
| 18:36.55 | _Manu_ | this is still pretty unstable I guess |
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| 18:43.50 | Birdie | very stable |
| 18:43.52 | Birdie | it crashed again |
| 18:43.53 | Birdie | :) |
| 18:46.36 | _Manu_ | no, it works again |
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| 19:13.20 | trepan | vsync note: using current bzflag vsync and default vsync together halves fps, probably only in the unix version |
| 19:14.55 | trepan | (assuming the windows version works at all...) |
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| 19:58.47 | spldart | I have a question... it's directly related to my BZFlag client play but it's not directly bzflag so let me know if it's to off topic and I'll take it elswhere......... |
| 20:01.11 | trepan | ya, sry, that's too off-topic |
| 20:01.23 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 20:01.24 | spldart | I want to EQ up my speakers on my main entertainment rig, which I play bzflag on. The speakers each have 4 12's and a 5 foot planar ribbon drivers, bose and a 1 kw Audionics amp..I want to ramp up bass and treble so my explosions and shots sound bigger but didn't want to add an EQ between the computer and compy |
| 20:01.32 | spldart | Was typing :-p |
| 20:02.23 | spldart | the advanced controls isn't availabe so I was wondering if I can boost high and low frequency some other way between the client and my power amp |
| 20:02.31 | spldart | XP pro |
| 20:02.41 | trepan | mod the sound files? |
| 20:02.45 | spldart | OOOO |
| 20:02.50 | spldart | Good one :) |
| 20:03.11 | spldart | I will fall back on that if an eq idea isn't available |
| 20:06.14 | spldart | Welp... I think I'm going to surf out big explosions sounds first :) |
| 20:06.24 | spldart | They just have to be a .wav right? |
| 20:07.41 | spldart | oooOOOooo. I have a million dvd's... I could aways rob an explosion outta one of those =-D |
| 20:07.51 | purple_cow | your sound card may be able to do EQ internally |
| 20:08.15 | purple_cow | if it's a sblive or audigy, they actually have programmable DSPs |
| 20:09.02 | spldart | In the sound controls advanced is not highlighted ... AC97 on my dual processor rig |
| 20:09.37 | spldart | I do have an audigy platinum laying next to me |
| 20:09.56 | spldart | thanks for the ideas :) |
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| 20:20.50 | spldart | Methinks Tremors 2 should have the shot and exposion sounds I seek :) |
| 20:29.19 | JeffM2501 | I spread my wings and I learned how to fly, I'll do what it takes till I touch the sky, and I'll make a wish, take a chance, make a change.. and breakaway.... |
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| 20:45.00 | JeffM2501 | wow they started taging tors? |
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| 20:46.32 | ATravelingGeek | i think they have been for a while |
| 20:46.39 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:46.42 | JeffM2501 | well that's good |
| 20:47.25 | Gnurdux | how can they even tell that its a tor? they have been tagging for a while |
| 20:47.41 | Gnurdux | and JeffM2501 check the banlist |
| 20:47.55 | Gnurdux | someone banned the old tor address from ages ago *!*@*.session.tor |
| 20:47.58 | JeffM2501 | I know about the ban list |
| 20:47.59 | JeffM2501 | I did |
| 20:48.26 | JeffM2501 | they can know it's tor route stuff, part of the deal with tor is it marks itself as tor |
| 20:48.34 | Gnurdux | ahhh |
| 20:48.36 | JeffM2501 | to help prevent it from being abuse tool |
| 20:48.46 | Gnurdux | abuse tool? |
| 20:48.53 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:48.56 | JeffM2501 | it allows anonimity |
| 20:49.01 | Gnurdux | yeah |
| 20:49.03 | JeffM2501 | if there wasn't a way to mark it as such |
| 20:49.12 | JeffM2501 | it woudl be used for more atacks then it is |
| 20:49.16 | JeffM2501 | it used to be prety bad |
| 20:49.16 | Gnurdux | i see |
| 20:49.23 | JeffM2501 | but they have been trying to clean up there image |
| 20:49.30 | blast007 | although, it's probably not useful for attacks anyway |
| 20:49.47 | JeffM2501 | since it's taged, it's easy to mass ban |
| 20:49.50 | blast007 | limited bandwidth of the overall servers |
| 20:49.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:49.56 | blast007 | and high latency |
| 20:50.13 | JeffM2501 | it can be usefull for non brute force stuff |
| 20:50.22 | JeffM2501 | or just anoying the hell outa people |
| 20:50.26 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 21:03.21 | trepan | JeffM2501: pity those that reflect Daedalus' light |
| 21:12.46 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 21:13.13 | Tupone | I like that use is time doing tor services. I don't use them, but I like their view |
| 21:13.21 | Tupone | s//someone/ |
| 21:15.02 | JeffM2501 | I like that they put the seesion on the end |
| 21:16.57 | JeffM2501 | how goes the italia Tupone ? |
| 21:17.28 | Tupone | dunno. What are you talking about? |
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| 21:17.35 | Tupone | politics, economy, sport? |
| 21:17.35 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:17.39 | JeffM2501 | how is it where you are? |
| 21:17.41 | SportChick | hrm? |
| 21:17.54 | Tupone | weather was good |
| 21:17.56 | JeffM2501 | just general how ya doin :) |
| 21:18.06 | JeffM2501 | summer comes soon |
| 21:18.06 | Birdie | do you like prodi?:) |
| 21:18.16 | Tupone | government is changing, and that is good too |
| 21:18.25 | JeffM2501 | you live near the sea? |
| 21:18.32 | Tupone | yep, Roma |
| 21:18.33 | JeffM2501 | is beach-going a big thing out there? |
| 21:18.35 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:18.51 | JeffM2501 | or sailing more |
| 21:18.55 | JeffM2501 | sailing is fun |
| 21:19.02 | Gnurdux | Chanserv segfaulted? |
| 21:19.03 | Tupone | http://tupone.dyndns.org ... that is a bit of my view :) |
| 21:19.26 | JeffM2501 | you live in a tunnel? |
| 21:19.42 | JeffM2501 | that has to suck |
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| 21:20.20 | JeffM2501 | and you do your blog in english? |
| 21:20.30 | Tupone | engrish maybe |
| 21:20.40 | JeffM2501 | why not your mother tounge? |
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| 21:20.53 | Tupone | otherwise I have to translate for you |
| 21:20.54 | JeffM2501 | your engrish is beter then my english :) |
| 21:20.58 | JeffM2501 | yay for public schools |
| 21:21.00 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:21.24 | Tupone | I hardly see US people able to read italian |
| 21:21.38 | JeffM2501 | most of your trafic US? |
| 21:21.38 | Tupone | but most of Italian people can read english |
| 21:21.46 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:21.55 | Tupone | traffic is almost zero :) |
| 21:21.58 | JeffM2501 | such a horible language to make the rest of the world understand |
| 21:23.04 | Gnurdux | my mom took an italian class |
| 21:23.14 | Tupone | Gnurdux: even mine |
| 21:23.29 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, you just cant spell |
| 21:23.51 | JeffM2501 | mostly I can't type |
| 21:24.03 | JeffM2501 | but english has a great number of exceptions to it's rules |
| 21:24.11 | JeffM2501 | and tha'ts what screws me up |
| 21:24.57 | blast007 | "I" before "E", except after "C", and in weird words like weird ;) |
| 21:25.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:25.29 | JeffM2501 | I read somehwere that english had like 90something unique structures, and like 85 of them have exceptions |
| 21:25.38 | blast007 | lol |
| 21:26.21 | Tupone | while in italian you can say any word without knowing the meaning, you cannot in english |
| 21:26.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:26.30 | Tupone | s/say/read/ |
| 21:26.44 | JeffM2501 | many european languages have simpler rules |
| 21:26.49 | JeffM2501 | or at least more consistent |
| 21:27.02 | Tupone | well at least what you write reflect the sound |
| 21:27.03 | Gnurdux | they have more tenses and stuff |
| 21:27.13 | Gnurdux | in general many more verb forms and stuff like that |
| 21:27.14 | JeffM2501 | no they don't Gnurdux |
| 21:27.22 | JeffM2501 | because they are explicid |
| 21:27.31 | JeffM2501 | and they don't use words like "aint" |
| 21:27.34 | Gnurdux | spanish has 5 tenses, plus subjunctive |
| 21:27.45 | Gnurdux | thats true, and they dont use even words like "isn't" |
| 21:28.09 | JeffM2501 | well when everyone has there brains on the global interweb it won't matter :) |
| 21:28.28 | blast007 | "Hold on mom, I'm downloading Spanish" |
| 21:28.30 | trepan | their, the possesive form? |
| 21:28.34 | _Manu_ | Gnurdux, almost equal: isn't -> is not -> in spanish "no es" |
| 21:28.37 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:28.38 | JeffM2501 | see |
| 21:28.41 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: eh, all natural languages are complex |
| 21:28.41 | Gnurdux | spanish has no possive forms |
| 21:28.50 | JeffM2501 | that's why it needs to be binary |
| 21:28.53 | JeffM2501 | all bianry |
| 21:28.55 | _Manu_ | no, of course |
| 21:28.59 | Gnurdux | complexity doesnt necessarily matter as far as hardness is concerned |
| 21:29.57 | purple_cow | and simplification in one area tends to create complexity in another |
| 21:29.57 | purple_cow | for example, english dropping gender, but getting more irregular verbs |
| 21:29.57 | Gnurdux | english is much simpler than, say, Russian, but that doesnt mean its easier |
| 21:29.58 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet the russians say the oposet ;) |
| 21:29.58 | Gnurdux | purple_cow, we didn't totally drop it. still in the third person pronoun |
| 21:29.59 | trepan | Esperanto! |
| 21:30.04 | JeffM2501 | totaly |
| 21:30.14 | Gnurdux | heh esperanto is both simple and easy, ya gotta give it that |
| 21:30.22 | purple_cow | Gnurdux: personal pronouns are different |
| 21:30.39 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 21:30.42 | purple_cow | i'm talking about gender agreement in eg. spanish |
| 21:30.51 | Gnurdux | yea |
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| 21:31.06 | Gnurdux | well even in spanish it was simplified; latin had three genders, not just 2 |
| 21:31.50 | purple_cow | spanish still has 3 |
| 21:32.00 | purple_cow | it's just that the neutral gender is rare |
| 21:32.07 | BenUrban | ... |
| 21:32.15 | BenUrban | what an odd conversation i see |
| 21:32.27 | BenUrban | where do you find people of neutral gender in spain? |
| 21:32.34 | JeffM2501 | it must be wednesday |
| 21:32.39 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 21:32.42 | Gnurdux | purple_cow, how does spanish have neuter at all? any words in -o with plurals in -a? |
| 21:33.04 | Gnurdux | BenUrban, latin has neutral gender, mostly for certain inanimate objects. in spanish it got merged into male |
| 21:33.14 | BenUrban | Gnurdux: you're missing my point |
| 21:33.39 | JeffM2501 | he's a bit young to know about tranies |
| 21:33.52 | BenUrban | ... |
| 21:33.53 | Gnurdux | the word gender was originally entirely a linguistic term, not meaning "sex" |
| 21:34.04 | JeffM2501 | and he still missed the point |
| 21:34.09 | BenUrban | *sigh* |
| 21:34.12 | JeffM2501 | girls must still be "icky" to him |
| 21:34.15 | Gnurdux | that meaning developed because in most european languages gender is based on sex |
| 21:34.21 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, no, they arent lol |
| 21:34.30 | blast007 | heh |
| 21:34.43 | Gnurdux | but i did miss the point |
| 21:34.43 | JeffM2501 | well some of them are |
| 21:34.51 | JeffM2501 | usualy the ones you have to pay |
| 21:35.04 | Gnurdux | that is a disgusting thing yes |
| 21:35.13 | JeffM2501 | how woudl you know? |
| 21:35.25 | Gnurdux | i dont, it just sounds gross |
| 21:35.25 | BenUrban | lol |
| 21:35.35 | BenUrban | you're right, it must be wednesday |
| 21:35.41 | JeffM2501 | must be |
| 21:36.00 | Gnurdux | what do you mean it must be wednesday? how are wednesdays special? |
| 21:37.02 | BenUrban | wednesdays are not particularly special |
| 21:37.18 | Gnurdux | it is a wednesday of course |
| 21:37.22 | BenUrban | you could substitute any day of the week and still get the same result |
| 21:37.38 | BenUrban | but it would have to be the current day of the week |
| 21:38.00 | Gnurdux | whatever |
| 21:38.25 | BenUrban | most of the last ~40 lines of scrollback is funny to varying extents |
| 21:38.34 | BenUrban | s/is/are/ |
| 21:39.15 | BenUrban | hmm probably less than 40 actually |
| 21:39.57 | BenUrban | i'd try to explain it all but it wouldn't be funny anymore |
| 21:40.02 | BenUrban | and i don't have time |
| 21:40.42 | BenUrban | OH MY GOD WHAT DID YOU JUST DO |
| 21:40.57 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 21:41.02 | BenUrban | must be a monday |
| 21:41.08 | BenUrban | i never could get the hang of mondays |
| 21:41.28 | _Manu_ | Gnurdux, in spanish there is neuter, example: "ello" is not male nor female |
| 21:41.29 | JeffM2501 | wednesdays are what you make of them |
| 21:41.48 | Gnurdux | _Manu_, thats male |
| 21:41.51 | JeffM2501 | I hope this wednesday is the wednesday that I get client side weapons working |
| 21:42.02 | _Manu_ | no, I'm spanish.. |
| 21:42.03 | BenUrban | ooh that would be nice |
| 21:42.14 | Gnurdux | do you mean ello as in Él |
| 21:42.20 | JeffM2501 | the the silly thing can be played |
| 21:42.20 | _Manu_ | if you can, just read this: http://www.jabega.net/bello/bajo15.html |
| 21:42.32 | _Manu_ | no, ello is not el, el is male |
| 21:42.44 | Gnurdux | whats ello? |
| 21:42.49 | _Manu_ | is neuter |
| 21:42.55 | trepan | jello, without the j |
| 21:42.59 | Gnurdux | neuter equivalent of el? |
| 21:43.03 | blast007 | ~x es en ello |
| 21:43.05 | _Manu_ | trepan, heh |
| 21:43.11 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 21:43.15 | Gnurdux | it must be out of fashion then |
| 21:43.17 | _Manu_ | no, neuter is used when something is not male nor female |
| 21:43.31 | axton | i am neuter |
| 21:43.34 | Gnurdux | _Manu_, all nouns are one or the other tho |
| 21:43.52 | _Manu_ | Gnurdux, heh.. no, just study spanish gramatic |
| 21:43.53 | Gnurdux | is ello a subject or object pronounce? |
| 21:44.01 | _Manu_ | read the link |
| 21:44.16 | bryjen | perhaps if _Manu_ 's hostname ended in .es, things would be clearer to Gnurdux |
| 21:44.18 | Gnurdux | look im in spanish 2, so i cant |
| 21:44.49 | _Manu_ | bryjen, :) |
| 21:44.53 | trepan | _Manu_: my french is almost enough to get through that link ;) |
| 21:45.07 | Gnurdux | im in middle school spanish :\ |
| 21:45.25 | _Manu_ | Gnurdux, well tell your teacher to translate it ;) |
| 21:45.38 | Gnurdux | is ello a subject or an object |
| 21:45.43 | Gnurdux | and my spanish teacher is an idiot |
| 21:46.00 | Gnurdux | she grades us on accent marks, but she screws up half of them herself on the quiz |
| 21:46.17 | Gnurdux | like she didnt know that the word ti as in "a ti" had no accent mark |
| 21:46.28 | blast007 | use a red pen and correct her quiz ;) |
| 21:46.38 | _Manu_ | and rember.. there is el and él, is not the same ;) |
| 21:46.45 | Gnurdux | i do write in the accents on the quizzez |
| 21:46.48 | Gnurdux | _Manu_, of course |
| 21:46.57 | Gnurdux | and mi and mí |
| 21:47.05 | Gnurdux | one is possessive, one prepositional |
| 21:47.52 | JeffM2501 | wow, what a way to run with a bad topic |
| 21:48.03 | _Manu_ | yes, also él is used instead the name |
| 21:48.11 | _Manu_ | hehe |
| 21:48.24 | _Manu_ | at last you can learn too JeffM2501 :) |
| 21:48.28 | bryjen | JeffM2501: you expected something else? |
| 21:48.34 | Gnurdux | El is an article, Él is a masculine third person singular pronoun |
| 21:48.55 | _Manu_ | el perro, no "tilde" |
| 21:48.58 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, well with grnardy there..... |
| 21:49.05 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, es bueno, él es bueno |
| 21:49.17 | JeffM2501 | ok that is enough, take it private if you want to go more, Id idn't mean it to get that big |
| 21:49.24 | _Manu_ | Gnurdux, syntax error ;) |
| 21:49.32 | Gnurdux | _Manu_, tilde es el marco en ñ |
| 21:49.39 | Gnurdux | whoops sry JeffM2501 |
| 21:49.43 | _Manu_ | no, it's another name |
| 21:50.00 | _Manu_ | tilde is ' on a vowel |
| 21:51.55 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, u are right :) and I'm not going to discuss about spanish with a 2 spanish student ;) |
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| 21:52.12 | Gnurdux | and this is MIDDLE SCHOOL spanish 2 |
| 21:52.27 | JeffM2501 | umm what ever little dude |
| 21:52.31 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 21:53.10 | Gnurdux | all the students cant seem to understand the reflexive verbs in spanish are very similar to reflexive verbs in english |
| 21:53.20 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah Gnurdux your done man |
| 21:53.21 | _Manu_ | Gnurdux, it's out of topic |
| 21:53.23 | Gnurdux | also same with the teacher, shes like "but its different" |
| 21:53.24 | JeffM2501 | just deal with it |
| 21:53.26 | JeffM2501 | serouslyu |
| 21:53.38 | JeffM2501 | we don't care about your little jr. High school drama |
| 21:54.44 | axton2 | omg |
| 21:54.55 | JeffM2501 | what did your god do now? |
| 21:55.13 | JeffM2501 | wow his god is powerfull |
| 21:55.25 | Gnurdux | his god can quit clients? |
| 21:55.32 | Gnurdux | ohg |
| 21:55.36 | JeffM2501 | posibly |
| 21:55.37 | axton | i was connected via telnet |
| 21:55.44 | axton | anyway |
| 21:55.46 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 21:55.48 | axton | bbl |
| 21:55.50 | Gnurdux | ooh telnet is awesome |
| 21:55.56 | JeffM2501 | no it isn't |
| 21:56.00 | JeffM2501 | join the 21st |
| 21:56.18 | JeffM2501 | tellnet is like runing OSX 10.2 |
| 21:56.38 | Mr_Molez | lol |
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| 21:57.21 | Gnurdux_Telnet | :P |
| 21:57.28 | Gnurdux | PRIVMSG #bzflag ::P |
| 21:57.38 | Gnurdux | :Gnurdux!n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net PRIVMSG #bzflag :PRIVMSG #bzflag ::P |
| 21:57.41 | Gnurdux | whee |
| 21:58.15 | Gnurdux | gah i need to learn how to use QUIT |
| 21:58.23 | Gnurdux | i did QUIT ::) but it didnt work :( |
| 21:58.47 | blast007 | sometimes quit messages don't work even in real clients |
| 21:58.53 | Gnurdux | really? |
| 21:58.58 | Gnurdux | well this gave an ERROR too |
| 21:59.01 | blast007 | I've had it with X-Chat |
| 21:59.05 | blast007 | randomly |
| 21:59.16 | blast007 | sometimes it works, other times it doesn't, same message |
| 21:59.51 | Gnurdux | imagine playing BZ with telnet |
| 22:00.26 | JeffM2501 | umm you couldn't |
| 22:00.35 | Gnurdux | oh cause its UDP |
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| 22:05.20 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, I can play bzflag with my phone ;) |
| 22:06.32 | JeffM2501 | your phone has graphics :) |
| 22:06.42 | JeffM2501 | or you do the bzadmin thing? |
| 22:06.43 | _Manu_ | no, I just press intro with it to fire ;) |
| 22:06.58 | _Manu_ | j/k :-p |
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| 22:07.51 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, now you must laugh :) |
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| 22:11.43 | Gnurdux | hi L4m3r |
| 22:11.49 | L4m3r | hi |
| 22:14.29 | JeffM2501 | sorry was talking to the lead dev :) |
| 22:14.37 | JeffM2501 | just got back |
| 22:14.40 | Gnurdux | lead dev of what? |
| 22:14.47 | JeffM2501 | our development team |
| 22:14.53 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 22:15.17 | Gnurdux | who is that? Riker? |
| 22:15.26 | JeffM2501 | he's looking at some regresion bugs in the post engine, and that's my area so he had question |
| 22:15.32 | JeffM2501 | no, tim does not work for my company |
| 22:15.53 | Gnurdux | oh dev team of your company |
| 22:15.54 | Gnurdux | not bz |
| 22:16.01 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah |
| 22:16.03 | Gnurdux | so "we" is your company |
| 22:16.09 | JeffM2501 | bz has no "lead" developer |
| 22:16.20 | JeffM2501 | and why would I have to leave my desk to talk to somone about BZ? |
| 22:16.26 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:16.40 | Gnurdux | heh |
| 22:16.43 | Gnurdux | so your at work? |
| 22:16.47 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 22:16.55 | JeffM2501 | where else would I be in the middle of the day? |
| 22:16.55 | Gnurdux | they let you IRC at work? |
| 22:16.57 | Gnurdux | thats awesome |
| 22:16.59 | JeffM2501 | sure, why not? |
| 22:17.03 | Gnurdux | its the middle of the day for you? |
| 22:17.06 | Gnurdux | what time zone? |
| 22:17.10 | JeffM2501 | well afternoon |
| 22:17.16 | JeffM2501 | 3:17 |
| 22:17.38 | L4m3r | as much as I'd love to loaf in my room all day, I'm only here between classes... |
| 22:17.48 | JeffM2501 | wireless man.. wireless |
| 22:17.50 | Gnurdux | im 3 hours later than you |
| 22:17.55 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, what school are you at? |
| 22:17.55 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 22:18.02 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, I'm happy for you |
| 22:18.10 | L4m3r | one hour gap, just enough to walk up the hill and power the cmoputer on... |
| 22:18.23 | L4m3r | Gnurdux: UCLA |
| 22:18.29 | Gnurdux | cool |
| 22:18.59 | Gnurdux | major? |
| 22:19.08 | L4m3r | comp sci/engineering |
| 22:19.12 | Gnurdux | nice |
| 22:19.32 | Gnurdux | my dad is a professor at a university, tho not such a well-known one |
| 22:19.40 | Gnurdux | just my state university, umd |
| 22:19.57 | JeffM2501 | then you'd think he'd have shown you how to research a little ;) |
| 22:20.01 | L4m3r | we have two state school systems here. |
| 22:20.08 | Gnurdux | hehe |
| 22:20.24 | Gnurdux | but university of california has a lot of good schools doesnt it? |
| 22:20.27 | L4m3r | University of California and Cal state university, both scattered throughout... |
| 22:20.29 | Gnurdux | ucla and berkley at least |
| 22:20.43 | Gnurdux | university of california is the more prestigious correct? |
| 22:20.53 | L4m3r | UCLA and Berkeley are the two big ones, yes |
| 22:21.17 | L4m3r | and yeah, cal state isn't as well known, although it does have a couple of notable campuses |
| 22:22.25 | L4m3r | Cal poly, for instance, is a CSU school |
| 22:22.33 | JeffM2501 | just be glad your not going to CSUCI |
| 22:22.36 | JeffM2501 | aka CSucky |
| 22:22.42 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:22.55 | JeffM2501 | tho I hear it's a nice school for stuff like history |
| 22:23.07 | L4m3r | I almost ended up at UCI |
| 22:23.18 | L4m3r | they were offering a $9000 regents' scholarship |
| 22:23.20 | Gnurdux | L4m3r, have you made the mofo team assignment plugin? |
| 22:23.21 | JeffM2501 | Knew some girls who went there |
| 22:23.23 | JeffM2501 | they liked it |
| 22:23.34 | L4m3r | I know someone who has a girlfriend there |
| 22:23.40 | L4m3r | he hates the place |
| 22:23.52 | JeffM2501 | well they didn't live on campus |
| 22:24.12 | L4m3r | "I could've been a regents' scholar at UCI" |
| 22:24.12 | L4m3r | "I could've kissed a snake and died..." |
| 22:24.43 | JeffM2501 | yay no more regresion bugs for today |
| 22:24.56 | L4m3r | It would have meant some nice perks, but I like this place. Bit crowded, though |
| 22:25.05 | L4m3r | and Gnurdux: No, I haven't |
| 22:26.12 | L4m3r | Oh, and Jeff... speaking of bugs... |
| 22:26.52 | L4m3r | I'm working on a map, and the server (on -dddd) gives me a bunch of "2.0.0 transformation bug" or something like that. Should I be concerned? |
| 22:27.19 | L4m3r | I'm being very careful to not cause any of those seam problems |
| 22:27.43 | JeffM2501 | no that's usualy fine |
| 22:27.49 | JeffM2501 | what version of bzfs do you use? |
| 22:28.11 | L4m3r | I'm testing on 2.0.6 windows, when it's done it'll run on my 2.0.7 Linux server |
| 22:28.22 | JeffM2501 | then it's something that wasn't fixed till 2.1 |
| 22:28.25 | JeffM2501 | and it's normal |
| 22:28.36 | L4m3r | ok. |
| 22:28.42 | trepan | JeffM2501: 2.1? |
| 22:28.53 | L4m3r | seems that it's all about being careful about using "spin" |
| 22:28.57 | JeffM2501 | you had the comment that was all "pull this out when proto changed" |
| 22:28.59 | JeffM2501 | so I did |
| 22:29.10 | trepan | heh, was fixed in 2.0.2 iirc ;) |
| 22:29.13 | JeffM2501 | if it's what I'm thinking of |
| 22:29.20 | JeffM2501 | then it's not what I'm thinking of ;) |
| 22:29.42 | L4m3r | that could explain the "2.0.0" part... but what about the seam thing? |
| 22:30.13 | JeffM2501 | I haven't done maping in 2.0.x other then mucking with esoteric formats |
| 22:30.28 | JeffM2501 | so trepan is probably better at questions like that |
| 22:30.36 | L4m3r | arranging groups is like pulling teeth, I can't spin any objects that have driving surfaces on them |
| 22:31.01 | JeffM2501 | the phydrivs are in world space? not object space? |
| 22:31.23 | L4m3r | phydrivs? |
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| 22:31.41 | JeffM2501 | physics drivers |
| 22:31.50 | L4m3r | yeah, I think, but that's not the problem |
| 22:31.59 | trepan | world space, as are weapons, etc... |
| 22:32.06 | JeffM2501 | then I don't know what you mean by "driving surfaces" |
| 22:32.27 | L4m3r | it seems that if I take two groups, spin one, and put them next to each other, you can only drive over the seam in one direction |
| 22:32.39 | trepan | JeffM2501: it's in the TODO ;) |
| 22:32.47 | JeffM2501 | local ones? |
| 22:33.00 | JeffM2501 | oh that kinda seam |
| 22:33.08 | JeffM2501 | I was thinking texture seam |
| 22:33.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah dono about that stuff ether |
| 22:33.30 | L4m3r | it's very wonky, something about nesting groups at different levels causes it too |
| 22:33.39 | JeffM2501 | tho it's probalby the same in all 2.0.x's so they are consistent |
| 22:33.47 | L4m3r | I would imagine so. |
| 22:33.50 | trepan | it's floating point inaccuracy buildup |
| 22:33.56 | JeffM2501 | those suck |
| 22:34.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah stuff gets wacky after a lot of transforms |
| 22:34.11 | L4m3r | can there be some sort of fudge factor to fix that? |
| 22:34.18 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, probably |
| 22:34.22 | trepan | bz physics suck, the basic model always has |
| 22:34.31 | JeffM2501 | redo it with like ODE? |
| 22:34.36 | L4m3r | fight inaccuracy with imprecision :D |
| 22:35.09 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, the problem with fixing it in 2.0.something is that older "compatable" clients would still get stuck on the seam |
| 22:35.15 | JeffM2501 | so your new client would be a "cheat" |
| 22:35.19 | L4m3r | yeah, I understand |
| 22:35.50 | L4m3r | but as long as it's known and worked on, eventually, that's all I can ask :P |
| 22:36.07 | JeffM2501 | fix it and then you'll know it's fixed ;) |
| 22:36.26 | L4m3r | oh, another oddity... I've got some mesh windows that are sloped, two-sided faces |
| 22:36.47 | L4m3r | and somehow, some shots go through while others rico |
| 22:37.11 | L4m3r | the ones that go through rico off both faces simultaneously and continue on their original path |
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| 22:37.38 | L4m3r | as far as I can tell only normal shots do this (no lasers) |
| 22:37.58 | JeffM2501 | could be inacuracy in the simulation |
| 22:38.05 | L4m3r | and thankfully, shooting in a fixed position will always yield the same result, so I think that it should be consistent for all players |
| 22:38.10 | trepan | 0 width walls? |
| 22:38.18 | L4m3r | yes, sloped |
| 22:38.29 | trepan | add some width |
| 22:38.33 | L4m3r | lol |
| 22:38.43 | JeffM2501 | the math is probably making it hit both |
| 22:38.46 | A_Meteorite | Will 0.001 do it? :) |
| 22:38.58 | JeffM2501 | or hit them in a difernt order based on where they are |
| 22:39.14 | JeffM2501 | a small amount should help |
| 22:39.17 | L4m3r | perhaps |
| 22:39.19 | JeffM2501 | at least try it |
| 22:39.19 | trepan | JeffM2501: order? it's directional |
| 22:39.43 | L4m3r | yeah, I just made them shoot through in one direction to shut it up, the windows are there to contain tanks |
| 22:39.46 | JeffM2501 | you don't hit both sides of a face? only the one with the normal? |
| 22:39.52 | trepan | yup |
| 22:39.55 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:40.14 | JeffM2501 | then why would distance fix it? |
| 22:40.25 | JeffM2501 | the backface should never be tested then right? |
| 22:40.30 | trepan | unless... |
| 22:40.47 | L4m3r | I also had to make the outside (which is inaccessible for all intents and puposes) drivethrough, because you could turn and get stuck in the face |
| 22:41.12 | trepan | JeffM2501: very very thin wall, bounce off it, where's the shot just after the bounce? |
| 22:41.14 | L4m3r | unlike vertical faces, you can't seem to "push yourself out" of sloped mesh |
| 22:41.20 | JeffM2501 | still inside the wall |
| 22:41.27 | JeffM2501 | and posibly no longer backfacing |
| 22:41.45 | trepan | so some width should help |
| 22:41.50 | JeffM2501 | ok I get it now |
| 22:42.10 | L4m3r | if it's "in" both faces at once, then it's just a crap shoot, eh? weird that it doesn't change unless you move |
| 22:42.11 | JeffM2501 | you could require all things to be manifold ;) |
| 22:42.22 | JeffM2501 | L4m3r, it's not a crap shoot |
| 22:42.33 | trepan | could also be inverted manifolds, or self intersecting |
| 22:42.34 | JeffM2501 | the computations result in the same solutinon |
| 22:42.43 | trepan | need a stricter test then just "manifold" |
| 22:43.08 | JeffM2501 | replace all primitives with elipsoids |
| 22:43.49 | L4m3r | well, I've got to go to class, be back in 2 or 3 hours... thanks for the help :) |
| 22:44.02 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
| 22:44.14 | L4m3r | assembly language. No fun. :x |
| 22:44.21 | A_Meteorite | LOL! |
| 22:44.34 | A_Meteorite | L4m3r: What do you do with an assembly language? |
| 22:44.35 | JeffM2501 | it'll teach ya stuff ;) |
| 22:44.42 | A_Meteorite | Awww.. he went. |
| 22:44.48 | JeffM2501 | many CS courses make you take it |
| 22:44.57 | A_Meteorite | Heh, is it close to Machine Code? |
| 22:44.59 | JeffM2501 | it helps to at least understand what the computer needs |
| 22:45.07 | JeffM2501 | it's right above machine chode |
| 22:45.14 | A_Meteorite | ah, sounds awful... |
| 22:45.16 | A_Meteorite | :\ |
| 22:45.18 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 22:45.29 | JeffM2501 | but it gives you understanding |
| 22:45.39 | A_Meteorite | I can see that. :) |
| 22:45.51 | JeffM2501 | some of the realy optimised graphic shader languages get close to asembly now adays |
| 22:46.00 | JeffM2501 | shader code, not languages :) |
| 22:46.07 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 22:46.21 | JeffM2501 | also many of the console games, stuff is done at that low level to get max performance |
| 22:46.45 | JeffM2501 | to do just about anyting on a PS2 at any speed, you have to write minicode for the rendering chips |
| 22:47.10 | A_Meteorite | Ouch... no wonder consoles don't come out every year. ;) |
| 22:47.32 | JeffM2501 | that's not the reason |
| 22:47.41 | JeffM2501 | consoles loose money |
| 22:47.44 | JeffM2501 | on the hardware |
| 22:47.49 | JeffM2501 | they cost more to make then they sell for |
| 22:48.01 | A_Meteorite | So how the heck do they make money? |
| 22:48.04 | JeffM2501 | games |
| 22:48.09 | A_Meteorite | Ahh, figures. |
| 22:48.19 | JeffM2501 | for every x-box game you buy at 50$, MS gets 20$ |
| 22:48.41 | A_Meteorite | Yeah, and most gamers got a couple dozen games or more... |
| 22:48.46 | JeffM2501 | it's the razor/blades thing |
| 22:48.49 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 22:59.07 | JeffM2501 | what does trackShots do? |
| 22:59.18 | JeffM2501 | it an observer thing? |
| 22:59.22 | trepan | yup |
| 22:59.28 | JeffM2501 | you follow the bullets? |
| 22:59.34 | trepan | yup |
| 22:59.37 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 22:59.39 | trepan | yup |
| 22:59.43 | A_Meteorite | heh... |
| 22:59.43 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:59.48 | JeffM2501 | and away it goes :) |
| 22:59.58 | A_Meteorite | I always wanted headlights on tanks. :) |
| 23:00.09 | trepan | A_Meteorite: that's come and gone ;) |
| 23:00.16 | A_Meteorite | Ahhh... |
| 23:00.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah you missed it |
| 23:00.27 | A_Meteorite | darn |
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| 23:18.01 | JeffM2501 | man is riping out maxshots a pain |
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| 23:50.21 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, did you fix the mail problem? |
| 23:50.25 | supertanker | is this the place to ask why my soundcard is crazy with bzflag? |
| 23:50.37 | JeffM2501 | do you have a crazy soundcard? |
| 23:51.14 | supertanker | depends on your point of view...just two questions. In Audio options, it has a place for driver and device. I think my driver is like snd-emu10k1 |
| 23:51.31 | supertanker | it works if I don't put in anything, but it lags waaaaaaaaaaaaay behind the action and is all broken up. |
| 23:51.42 | supertanker | (plus, snd-emu10k1 doesn't fit in the box) |
| 23:51.43 | JeffM2501 | what sound system is your linux distro using? |
| 23:51.56 | supertanker | ALSA |
| 23:52.05 | JeffM2501 | then put in ALSA for the driver |
| 23:52.15 | JeffM2501 | we just pass those strings to SDL |
| 23:52.20 | supertanker | and for device? |
| 23:52.24 | JeffM2501 | make sure you have ALSA enabled SDL |
| 23:52.25 | JeffM2501 | nothing |
| 23:52.31 | JeffM2501 | it should be able to get the device |
| 23:52.34 | JeffM2501 | if you only have 1 |
| 23:52.42 | supertanker | okay, so just ALSA for driver and nothing for device? Got it, ill go try it. |
| 23:52.55 | JeffM2501 | make sure your SDL is built with ALSA support |
| 23:53.05 | JeffM2501 | he'll be back |
| 23:53.10 | blast007 | hehe |
| 23:53.40 | JeffM2501 | I think he's like 10 |
| 23:54.47 | blast007 | keep it up ;) |
| 23:55.04 | JeffM2501 | shot crap is geting all redone |
| 23:55.14 | JeffM2501 | changed from vectors to maps :) |