| 00:00.18 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, I just said it to see how you would react |
| 00:00.24 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 00:00.25 | JeffM2501 | you are NO where near ready for commit acces |
| 00:00.33 | Gnurdux | of course not |
| 00:00.34 | JeffM2501 | but to your credit you said you would not need it |
| 00:00.41 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 00:00.57 | Gnurdux | i cant fix anything that anyone except for me cares about |
| 00:01.00 | A_Meteorite | in a way I wished I had it, but I have no use for it |
| 00:01.13 | A_Meteorite | the only thing I can do is random hacking up stuff |
| 00:01.23 | JeffM2501 | then you don't need commit access |
| 00:01.25 | A_Meteorite | in other words, tiny fixes in a big project ;) |
| 00:01.26 | Gnurdux | why is the anonymous access a few hours behind the real one |
| 00:01.32 | JeffM2501 | because it is |
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| 00:01.38 | A_Meteorite | because sf.net takes a long time to update it |
| 00:01.39 | JeffM2501 | that's just the way that SF did it |
| 00:01.47 | Gnurdux | both of my patches there were no requests/bug reports for |
| 00:01.59 | JeffM2501 | umm o9k |
| 00:02.13 | Gnurdux | just stuff i want |
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| 00:11.42 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, how do plugins end up in the official thing? |
| 00:12.04 | JeffM2501 | umm somone puts them there |
| 00:12.10 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 00:13.28 | JeffM2501 | most of the standard ones were made as samples |
| 00:13.37 | JeffM2501 | the others were added because they would be usefull |
| 00:13.54 | JeffM2501 | there was talk of moving all the plugins to there own repository |
| 00:18.15 | JeffM2501 | what plugin did you want to be included? |
| 00:19.00 | Gnurdux | nothing i was just curious |
| 00:19.03 | Gnurdux | nothing yet anyway |
| 00:19.23 | JeffM2501 | in the end we'll probably make plugins there own thing |
| 00:19.31 | JeffM2501 | and have them as a downloadabel "pack" |
| 00:19.37 | JeffM2501 | not every install needs em |
| 00:19.42 | JeffM2501 | since they are server only |
| 00:20.39 | JeffM2501 | and when I say "we'll probaby" I mean " I kinda hope" |
| 00:24.57 | brlcad | the build is fully isolated now at least |
| 00:25.16 | brlcad | moving them is merely a matter of copying the autogen.sh and m4 directory into plugins/ |
| 00:25.51 | JeffM2501 | well that's good |
| 00:26.15 | JeffM2501 | they still need the header and an export lib right? |
| 00:27.42 | trepan | wonder if an 8 hour speed-code session would be enough to change HEAD to an auth. server |
| 00:27.44 | brlcad | don't have a concept of an export lib |
| 00:27.47 | Gnurdux | why doesnt /reset * reset _rainStartZ |
| 00:27.54 | brlcad | but they do need the header |
| 00:28.26 | JeffM2501 | what do they link to? |
| 00:28.34 | brlcad | they don't |
| 00:28.39 | JeffM2501 | runtime? |
| 00:28.44 | brlcad | runtime linked in |
| 00:28.46 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:28.57 | JeffM2501 | you were talking about something like an export lib once wern't you? |
| 00:29.20 | brlcad | right, so that symbols outside the api could be accessed if you wanted |
| 00:29.29 | brlcad | but that's a whole other can o' worms |
| 00:29.39 | Gnurdux | i noticed a VERY STRANGE bug |
| 00:29.48 | brlcad | doable, but it would require changing how bzfs builds a bit |
| 00:29.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh, yeah don't want them outside the API |
| 00:30.00 | brlcad | maybe moving some code out of their to be better organized |
| 00:30.03 | JeffM2501 | that don't work on windows |
| 00:30.24 | brlcad | as long as they stick to the API, they don't need to link |
| 00:30.29 | JeffM2501 | ok good |
| 00:30.35 | JeffM2501 | and we want them to stick to the API |
| 00:30.36 | Gnurdux | /reset * doesnt reset _rainStartZ |
| 00:31.19 | JeffM2501 | wasn't somone working on finishing the python plugin? |
| 00:31.37 | brlcad | not a real critical bug Gnurdux, but that could be your next patch |
| 00:31.42 | Gnurdux | wait it does |
| 00:31.48 | Gnurdux | its a client bug |
| 00:31.49 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:32.02 | Gnurdux | client doesnt update when rainStartZ is reset |
| 00:32.04 | brlcad | see, that's the kind of jabber that you need to figure out BEFORE you start saying stuff in here |
| 00:32.27 | blast007 | my nose is bleeding! |
| 00:32.30 | blast007 | wait, no it isn't! |
| 00:32.46 | brad2901 | heh |
| 00:33.19 | brlcad | wait, yes I do! |
| 00:33.31 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 00:33.33 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:33.43 | Gnurdux | ok ill stop saying every little thing i discover |
| 00:33.54 | brlcad | that would be appreciated |
| 00:34.23 | Gnurdux | and i can ask as many legitimate questions as I want, but only things that I cant easily get from code/site/docs |
| 00:34.40 | blast007 | brlcad: btw, finally got that 80MB PNG file opened ;) |
| 00:34.49 | blast007 | had my friend open it on his system with 2GB |
| 00:34.53 | wegstar | :) |
| 00:35.09 | blast007 | ate up all 2GB, and a few megs of swap |
| 00:36.53 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:37.01 | brlcad | and weren't you then disappointed |
| 00:37.09 | brlcad | :) |
| 00:37.35 | brlcad | later versions look better, I should finish that up some day |
| 00:37.37 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:37.45 | brlcad | you can superimpose another image, like a logo |
| 00:37.51 | brlcad | but only using the text |
| 00:38.36 | brlcad | the real effect is when you print it, since you just don't have the resolution on a display system |
| 00:38.55 | JeffM2501 | how big are you going to print it? |
| 00:39.18 | brlcad | depends on the aspect ratio |
| 00:39.45 | blast007 | our first attempt was on an XP system with 1GB of memory...it quickly consumed 1.3GB of memory, and then froze |
| 00:39.45 | JeffM2501 | what is the bigest print you can get? |
| 00:39.46 | brlcad | that's roughly a 36"x26" poster as is |
| 00:40.10 | brlcad | can get 36" x practically unlimited if the image is cool enough |
| 00:40.16 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:40.34 | JeffM2501 | however long the roll is |
| 00:40.40 | brlcad | right |
| 00:41.00 | brlcad | and how many times you want to change printing cartridges |
| 00:41.06 | brlcad | and whether it's free or not |
| 00:41.34 | JeffM2501 | I remember going to a print house where they had the cartridges hooked into tupes feed via paint can |
| 00:41.35 | brlcad | siggraph will print posters for free for attendees if they like them (which they usually do) |
| 00:41.44 | JeffM2501 | so you could just keep swaping cans and not stop |
| 00:41.56 | brlcad | printed up one of purple_cow's fyre images a couple years ago.. that came out sweet |
| 00:42.01 | JeffM2501 | cool |
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| 00:43.59 | Atomica | Hello all! |
| 00:44.02 | Atomica | I need help |
| 00:44.16 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 00:44.18 | Atomica | I found this patch (from thumper) |
| 00:44.32 | Atomica | and I have NO CLUE how to compiler it or use it or whatever I need to do |
| 00:44.36 | Atomica | what do I do? |
| 00:44.41 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? |
| 00:44.48 | Atomica | wXP |
| 00:44.51 | JeffM2501 | it's not easy |
| 00:44.59 | JeffM2501 | you need to get a compiler |
| 00:45.01 | Atomica | How not? |
| 00:45.01 | JeffM2501 | and patch |
| 00:45.07 | Atomica | I have compiler |
| 00:45.11 | JeffM2501 | what compiler? |
| 00:45.16 | Atomica | Visual C++ EE |
| 00:45.19 | Atomica | 2005 |
| 00:45.38 | JeffM2501 | you also need directX, platformSDK, and CURL |
| 00:45.44 | Atomica | GAH! |
| 00:45.49 | JeffM2501 | it's a lot of setup |
| 00:45.50 | Atomica | where are they? |
| 00:45.57 | JeffM2501 | on the internet |
| 00:46.05 | Atomica | hehe |
| 00:46.12 | Atomica | you don't have links do you? |
| 00:46.15 | Gnurdux | get Dev-C++ |
| 00:46.17 | Gnurdux | :) |
| 00:46.18 | JeffM2501 | not off the top of my head |
| 00:46.22 | Gnurdux | Dev-C++ is nice |
| 00:46.23 | JeffM2501 | devC++ is harder actualy |
| 00:46.26 | blast007 | www.google.com |
| 00:46.26 | JeffM2501 | and works less often |
| 00:46.28 | Gnurdux | but have you ever heard of google? |
| 00:46.31 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 00:46.33 | Gnurdux | yup |
| 00:46.41 | Atomica | hehe |
| 00:46.45 | JeffM2501 | there is a lot of manual configuration you will have to do |
| 00:46.50 | JeffM2501 | it's not a point and click thing |
| 00:46.50 | Atomica | I have Dev C++ |
| 00:46.57 | blast007 | the DirectX SDK, I'm assuming, not just DirectX |
| 00:46.59 | Atomica | I am trying to quit thouhg |
| 00:47.00 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:47.05 | Atomica | oh |
| 00:47.07 | Atomica | ok |
| 00:47.30 | Atomica | and I use FX so of course I know gool=gele |
| 00:47.33 | JeffM2501 | then you'll need to find a windows version of the unix dif |
| 00:47.34 | Atomica | Google* |
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| 00:47.45 | JeffM2501 | and the apply the patch, hoping it will work with your code version |
| 00:47.48 | Atomica | ahh a what? |
| 00:47.53 | JeffM2501 | fixing any conflicts |
| 00:47.57 | JeffM2501 | then doing a build |
| 00:47.58 | Gnurdux | Atomica, what patch is this? |
| 00:47.59 | blast007 | there was a post on the forum about a patch.exe file long ago |
| 00:48.04 | Gnurdux | what is it for? |
| 00:48.15 | Atomica | that olimpic shot hiehgt limit thing |
| 00:48.44 | blast007 | patch might also come with the UnxUtils |
| 00:48.52 | JeffM2501 | I think it does |
| 00:48.53 | Atomica | what is MSDN? |
| 00:49.03 | Atomica | MicroSoft Developer Network? |
| 00:49.05 | JeffM2501 | MicroSoft Developer Network |
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| 00:49.17 | JeffM2501 | it's also the name of the help system in the VC IDE |
| 00:49.18 | blast007 | yup, I have patch on here, so UnxUtils is what you want Atomica |
| 00:49.18 | Atomica | hhe cool |
| 00:49.31 | Atomica | OMG! |
| 00:49.42 | Atomica | I'm just trying to download those first three tthing |
| 00:49.44 | JeffM2501 | I do not think your god has anything to do with it |
| 00:49.50 | JeffM2501 | they are not small |
| 00:51.05 | Atomica | huh? over an hour to download but it take 3 sec? |
| 00:51.31 | Atomica | what were they again? I got directX SDK |
| 00:51.41 | JeffM2501 | windows platform SDK |
| 00:51.44 | JeffM2501 | and libCURL |
| 00:51.58 | Atomica | oh libCURL |
| 00:52.29 | Atomica | :( I hate MS |
| 00:52.39 | JeffM2501 | you have to manualy configure your compiler to include them as well |
| 00:52.43 | JeffM2501 | then why do you use it? |
| 00:52.44 | blast007 | is GLEW needed now too? |
| 00:53.02 | JeffM2501 | if he's using CVS yes |
| 00:53.12 | JeffM2501 | what code are you using Atomica ? |
| 00:53.19 | Atomica | curl and libcurl? |
| 00:53.29 | JeffM2501 | oh no, not for VC8 |
| 00:53.33 | JeffM2501 | I only did it for 7.1 |
| 00:53.39 | blast007 | ah, ok |
| 00:53.43 | JeffM2501 | you just need libcurl |
| 00:53.45 | Atomica | ugh |
| 00:53.53 | Atomica | but it's called that |
| 00:54.03 | JeffM2501 | that is unless dtr went and updated v8 in the past day |
| 00:54.22 | Atomica | who is dtr? |
| 00:54.31 | JeffM2501 | another developer |
| 00:54.36 | Atomica | oh |
| 00:54.41 | Atomica | can we start over? |
| 00:54.47 | Atomica | brb |
| 00:54.51 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* sure |
| 00:54.51 | Atomica | n/leave |
| 00:54.59 | Atomica | ugh stupid bzflag n thing |
| 00:54.59 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 00:55.15 | Atomica | ok |
| 00:55.18 | Atomica | ready |
| 00:55.20 | JeffM2501 | and this is why plugins are better then patches :) |
| 00:55.25 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:55.34 | Atomica | but you can't make a "no shoot" area plugin |
| 00:55.37 | blast007 | yet |
| 00:55.40 | Gnurdux | some things cant be done with plugs thp |
| 00:55.50 | Gnurdux | you prolly will be able to in 2.2 |
| 00:55.51 | JeffM2501 | the API needs to be expanded |
| 00:55.55 | Gnurdux | yes it does |
| 00:55.59 | JeffM2501 | but API cahnges can go into the mainline |
| 00:56.04 | JeffM2501 | unlike most patches |
| 00:56.09 | Gnurdux | but plugins are quite useful even in 2.0 branch |
| 00:56.13 | Atomica | WTF is API? |
| 00:56.15 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, mainline |
| 00:56.20 | JeffM2501 | Aplications programers interface |
| 00:56.25 | Gnurdux | Atomica, Application Programming Interface |
| 00:56.29 | Atomica | or how about |
| 00:56.32 | Gnurdux | the API is for plugin developers |
| 00:56.35 | JeffM2501 | Atomica, ya know what, I don't feel like deaking in the pain today |
| 00:56.39 | Gnurdux | when you make a plugin, you use the API |
| 00:56.40 | JeffM2501 | where is the patch? |
| 00:56.45 | Atomica | so confusing that I don't care any more and want to go blow up MS HQ |
| 00:56.57 | Gnurdux | Atomica, don't we all :) |
| 00:56.57 | JeffM2501 | Atomica, be cause you are impatient |
| 00:57.03 | Atomica | uhh... hold on |
| 00:57.03 | JeffM2501 | no just you 2 |
| 00:57.04 | Gnurdux | hes not as impatient as I am |
| 00:57.11 | JeffM2501 | yes, yes he is |
| 00:57.18 | JeffM2501 | now just let him tell me where it is |
| 00:57.20 | Atomica | http://arch.norang.ca/cgi-bin/archzoom.cgi/bernt@norang.ca--2005-main/bzmap-patches-bzfs--bzflag2-cvs--1.0--patch-16/olympic/bzfs-prevent-tk.patch |
| 00:57.22 | JeffM2501 | I mean dam |
| 00:57.23 | Atomica | ta da |
| 00:57.52 | Gnurdux | btw i just showed brad2901 my patch, and he thought it was cool |
| 00:57.58 | Gnurdux | or sort of cool |
| 00:58.07 | blast007 | Atomica: that isn't for the height of the shots...that's for TKs |
| 00:58.07 | JeffM2501 | so it makes the flags into PZ if they are over a fixed limit? |
| 00:58.11 | Atomica | patches are confusing |
| 00:58.16 | blast007 | or wait, nvm |
| 00:58.23 | Gnurdux | Atomica, not as much on Linux |
| 00:58.27 | JeffM2501 | the comment is wrong |
| 00:58.34 | Atomica | I want a linux |
| 00:58.34 | JeffM2501 | let me make that into a real feature |
| 00:58.34 | blast007 | I'm catching what Gnurdux has |
| 00:58.48 | Gnurdux | blast007, catching? |
| 00:58.52 | JeffM2501 | blast007, best hope you don't |
| 00:58.53 | Gnurdux | you mean trying? |
| 00:58.57 | Atomica | where is there a comment? |
| 00:59.08 | Gnurdux | i can show you on gnurdux.homelinux.net:5154\ |
| 00:59.25 | JeffM2501 | Atomica, in the code |
| 00:59.27 | Gnurdux | blast007, which patch? |
| 00:59.32 | JeffM2501 | I am going to make that into a real feature |
| 00:59.41 | JeffM2501 | then you can have it as part of the regular builds |
| 00:59.43 | Atomica | right now? as we speak? |
| 00:59.46 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:59.51 | Atomica | OOO! |
| 00:59.54 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, cool |
| 00:59.58 | Gnurdux | what exactly does it do? |
| 00:59.59 | Atomica | where can I downlaod it then? |
| 01:00.03 | JeffM2501 | considering it'll take you at least 4-5 hours to get your build |
| 01:00.09 | Gnurdux | Admirarch, it will go in CVS |
| 01:00.14 | Atomica | doesn't let you shoot above 50 units in this case |
| 01:00.18 | JeffM2501 | Atomica, it would be in 2.0.5b7 when it's posted |
| 01:00.32 | Atomica | ok |
| 01:00.34 | Gnurdux | Atomica, what do you mean? |
| 01:00.43 | Atomica | when do YOU think it will be done? |
| 01:00.47 | Gnurdux | what does this patch do? |
| 01:01.00 | Atomica | haven't you played BZOlympics |
| 01:01.08 | Gnurdux | not really\ |
| 01:01.12 | Atomica | oh |
| 01:01.12 | Gnurdux | what is it for? |
| 01:01.29 | Atomica | this makes your bullets not work about 50 units |
| 01:01.34 | Atomica | a k a meters |
| 01:01.36 | Gnurdux | what do you mean? |
| 01:01.43 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm not going to hardcode the units |
| 01:01.45 | blast007 | Gnurdux: it turns them into PZ style shots |
| 01:01.50 | Atomica | good |
| 01:01.59 | Gnurdux | blast007, it turns what into PZ shots? |
| 01:02.02 | Gnurdux | wait |
| 01:02.04 | Atomica | I think that they should be settable in a conf file |
| 01:02.06 | Gnurdux | how much is 50 units? |
| 01:02.08 | blast007 | Gnurdux: bullets :P |
| 01:02.09 | JeffM2501 | shots over a limit into PZ shots |
| 01:02.13 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 01:02.14 | trepan | JeffM2501: why would you add that? |
| 01:02.16 | JeffM2501 | 50 units is 50 units |
| 01:02.18 | Gnurdux | instead of just dying? |
| 01:02.31 | Atomica | becasue I made him? |
| 01:02.32 | Gnurdux | i dont think that should be a generic feature |
| 01:02.33 | Atomica | :P |
| 01:02.35 | Atomica | jk |
| 01:02.46 | Gnurdux | cause those can kill PZ |
| 01:02.53 | Atomica | It saves me confusing and him pain? |
| 01:02.54 | Gnurdux | so that means if you shoot over long range it kills PZ |
| 01:03.00 | blast007 | and that won't work quite right, since the client that initiates the shooting will see it as their bullet |
| 01:03.07 | Atomica | npx can only be on ground |
| 01:03.11 | Gnurdux | that means its an advantage to shoot over long range |
| 01:03.11 | Atomica | pz* |
| 01:03.20 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i wouldnt put it in the main CVS |
| 01:03.35 | Atomica | yes, the can shoot themselves, but not others |
| 01:03.54 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, it sounds iffy |
| 01:04.00 | Atomica | no it doesn't |
| 01:04.01 | Gnurdux | could it be done as a plugin |
| 01:04.03 | blast007 | should it instead send an EndShot back to the shooter, and never send the bullet to anyone else? |
| 01:04.03 | Atomica | it works |
| 01:04.05 | Gnurdux | that would be better |
| 01:04.13 | Atomica | and most serevrs have straigh bullets |
| 01:04.36 | Atomica | shouldn't it just work and no one care about it? |
| 01:04.48 | Atomica | Do I need those tings to make plugins? |
| 01:04.54 | Gnurdux | not really |
| 01:05.01 | Gnurdux | well to make yourself yes |
| 01:05.06 | Gnurdux | for someone else to make no |
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| 01:05.14 | Atomica | I need libCURL to make plugins? |
| 01:05.26 | JeffM2502 | no |
| 01:05.26 | Atomica | I need libCURL to make plugins? |
| 01:05.29 | Atomica | oh |
| 01:05.40 | Atomica | how about progjpwouibdfSDK? |
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| 01:05.55 | wegstar | .... |
| 01:05.56 | Atomica | HI! |
| 01:06.28 | Atomica | progjpwouibdfSDK = product thingy SDK |
| 01:06.42 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 01:06.54 | Atomica | whatever you said that I needed |
| 01:06.56 | blast007 | platform SDK |
| 01:07.04 | Atomica | yea! that |
| 01:07.07 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, couldnt it be done as a plugin? |
| 01:07.10 | Gnurdux | his thingy? |
| 01:07.14 | JeffM2501 | no I don't think so |
| 01:07.14 | Atomica | no |
| 01:07.17 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, no |
| 01:07.21 | JeffM2501 | not at this time |
| 01:07.22 | Atomica | Thumper says no |
| 01:07.26 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, but it seems more like on addon |
| 01:07.29 | JeffM2501 | it is |
| 01:07.32 | Atomica | it is |
| 01:07.34 | Atomica | :P |
| 01:07.40 | JeffM2501 | I just want the retards to shut up |
| 01:07.43 | Gnurdux | it certainly shouldnt be default |
| 01:07.50 | Gnurdux | ah, but will you actually put it in the CVS? |
| 01:07.53 | JeffM2501 | it wont' be |
| 01:07.56 | JeffM2501 | do you think I"m a fool? |
| 01:07.56 | Atomica | it sould make me shut up thouhg |
| 01:08.00 | Gnurdux | oh lol |
| 01:08.22 | Atomica | How will pepole use it thouhg? |
| 01:08.34 | JeffM2501 | with a command line option |
| 01:08.42 | Atomica | oh! cool |
| 01:08.45 | JeffM2501 | -maxshotz <some number> |
| 01:08.52 | Atomica | so it could be in the conf file? |
| 01:08.55 | trepan | Thumper_: willing to add bz_eShotBegin ? |
| 01:09.02 | Gnurdux | ill deal with him hes similar to me with less comp experoemce |
| 01:09.23 | Gnurdux | Atomica, i thought he said he wont really put it in CVS |
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| 01:09.27 | Gnurdux | so... |
| 01:09.35 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 01:09.40 | Genosse_Darklord | hi any admin of viper2.pimpi.org here? |
| 01:10.00 | Atomica | and that means no conf file option? |
| 01:10.22 | Atomica | wait wait wait |
| 01:10.30 | Atomica | why -maxshots? |
| 01:10.41 | Gnurdux | Atomica, no reason |
| 01:10.46 | Gnurdux | i can code it for you Admirarch |
| 01:10.47 | Gnurdux | Atomica, |
| 01:10.48 | blast007 | Gnurdux: he will put it into the code, but it will only take effect if -maxshotz (z as in height) is specified |
| 01:10.50 | JeffM2501 | I didn't say -maxshotz |
| 01:10.50 | Gnurdux | and make you a patch |
| 01:10.52 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 01:10.56 | Atomica | why not something liek shotheightlimit |
| 01:10.58 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, you did |
| 01:11.00 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, will you please just SHUT UP |
| 01:11.03 | Gnurdux | <JeffM2501> -maxshotz <some number> |
| 01:11.04 | JeffM2501 | not shots |
| 01:11.06 | JeffM2501 | shotZ |
| 01:11.06 | Atomica | HAHAHAH! |
| 01:11.07 | JeffM2501 | Z |
| 01:11.11 | Atomica | oh! |
| 01:11.11 | JeffM2501 | not your freaking AOL speak |
| 01:11.18 | JeffM2501 | Atomica, you too, or I an't doing this |
| 01:11.25 | JeffM2501 | I mean damn, your like babbleing fools |
| 01:11.26 | Atomica | ok I'l sht up |
| 01:11.45 | JeffM2501 | it is the Z of the shot |
| 01:12.16 | Atomica | I know! Anyway, it TEPPIC here? (As in listening...err...watching) |
| 01:12.56 | Teppic | Listening, like the NSA agent I am....... |
| 01:12.59 | Atomica | I need him to help me with HIS code |
| 01:13.04 | Atomica | ok cool |
| 01:13.19 | Atomica | NSA? |
| 01:13.27 | Gnurdux | National Security Agency |
| 01:13.33 | Teppic | Ya |
| 01:13.51 | Atomica | oh, I ddin't know if it was that or New Student Ambassador like my sis |
| 01:13.54 | blast007 | www.acronymsearch.com |
| 01:14.12 | Teppic | Atomica : whats up? |
| 01:14.16 | Gnurdux | blast007, can I show you my /reset hack? |
| 01:14.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): add -maxshotz to turn shots over the height into PZ shots. |
| 01:14.28 | *** part/#bzflag trepan (n=trepan@unaffiliated/trepan) |
| 01:14.32 | blast007 | Gnurdux: no |
| 01:14.34 | Atomica | Can you look at that one post in that one Map Help forum? |
| 01:14.47 | Gnurdux | Atomica, he just implemented it |
| 01:14.47 | JeffM2501 | it's like school is out or soemthing |
| 01:14.49 | Teppic | url? |
| 01:14.55 | blast007 | the fact that you call it a 'hack' makes me want to view it even less :) |
| 01:15.00 | JeffM2501 | and the twinkie truck exploded |
| 01:15.05 | Teppic | blast007 :lol |
| 01:15.08 | Gnurdux | blast007, its not THAT hacky |
| 01:15.11 | Atomica | OOO! TWINKIES! |
| 01:15.31 | Atomica | They maek you fat... and http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7485 |
| 01:15.41 | JeffM2501 | Teppic, do you want to put the blender plugin into bzflag source tree, like under /misc? or keep maintaining it yourself? |
| 01:16.45 | Teppic | I don't mind, Eric is a bastid with cvs trees but, if it works, then others can fix it('cos it needs that) |
| 01:17.15 | JeffM2501 | it's a good thing, and I think it would fit in the source tree |
| 01:17.17 | JeffM2501 | but it's your code |
| 01:17.31 | Atomica | plugins are C++ right? |
| 01:17.36 | Atomica | err, that was stupid |
| 01:17.37 | JeffM2501 | in general, yes |
| 01:17.50 | JeffM2501 | if somone finished the python plugin they would not have to be |
| 01:18.07 | Teppic | JeffM2501 , I can easily, it's up to you, if you think it's up to it then yes, otherwise wait for the next beta. |
| 01:18.08 | Atomica | I hope they don't |
| 01:18.22 | Atomica | Other wise I'm learning C++ for nothing! |
| 01:18.26 | JeffM2501 | wellif you plan another beta, may as well wait |
| 01:18.40 | JeffM2501 | Atomica, if they do, then it would be C++ OR python |
| 01:18.53 | JeffM2501 | Teppic, I was mostly thinking "in general" not "right now" |
| 01:18.55 | Atomica | OH! and where can I learn how to ... nvm |
| 01:19.12 | Teppic | Well, there will always be another beta, that's just the way I think. |
| 01:19.32 | Atomica | Help has yet to come! :'( :( |
| 01:20.04 | Atomica | So which version is next and why are poeple talking about 2.2 already? |
| 01:20.06 | JeffM2501 | well let it for a bit then |
| 01:20.15 | JeffM2501 | the next release will be 2.0.6 |
| 01:20.20 | JeffM2501 | the next major will be 2.2 |
| 01:20.30 | Atomica | you are skipping 2.1? |
| 01:20.34 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.6 is just an update of the 2.0.x line |
| 01:20.35 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:20.39 | Atomica | aww |
| 01:20.48 | JeffM2501 | the development versions for 2.2 will be numbered 2.1.x |
| 01:20.52 | JeffM2501 | odds are deve |
| 01:20.57 | JeffM2501 | evens are release |
| 01:21.02 | Atomica | why is 2.2 the next major release then? WHy isn't it 2.1 |
| 01:21.08 | Atomica | oh |
| 01:21.11 | JeffM2501 | because of what I just said |
| 01:21.13 | Atomica | wiat |
| 01:21.19 | Atomica | ok |
| 01:21.28 | Teppic | Jeff, the 2.0??? line follows the bz line, to make things 'clearer' |
| 01:21.30 | JeffM2501 | we would not have any numbers to use for development if we didn't skip a set |
| 01:21.39 | JeffM2501 | bz line? |
| 01:21.46 | Teppic | There was no 2.0.1 |
| 01:21.47 | JeffM2501 | current release is on the 2.0.x line |
| 01:21.56 | JeffM2501 | there was, it was beta for 2.0.2 :) |
| 01:21.58 | Teppic | because I stared with the 2.0.4 man pages |
| 01:22.01 | JeffM2501 | it was just not a release |
| 01:22.10 | Atomica | oh so you go throuhg 2.1.1 2.1.3 ect? |
| 01:22.12 | JeffM2501 | odd numbers are dev |
| 01:22.17 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:22.33 | JeffM2501 | there will be many 2.1.x versions as we built up to 2.2.0 |
| 01:22.43 | Atomica | errm I think I'll go hide in a closet I'm so confused kinda not really |
| 01:22.48 | Teppic | Yeah , but my versuioning via 2.* is from the man page worked from, so 2.0.4.1`beta etc |
| 01:22.50 | JeffM2501 | just like when we did 2.0.0 there was 1.9.45 in the end I think |
| 01:23.11 | Atomica | OK! Time for some plugin help! in 2 min |
| 01:23.12 | JeffM2501 | I don't know how the man page says it |
| 01:23.19 | JeffM2501 | I just know how we number it |
| 01:23.24 | JeffM2501 | I remember 2.0.1 |
| 01:23.31 | JeffM2501 | it was before 2.0.2 |
| 01:23.35 | JeffM2501 | as the betas |
| 01:23.36 | Teppic | OK, odd is alpha/beta, even is stable |
| 01:23.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:24.03 | JeffM2501 | tho that's only for the release updates |
| 01:24.13 | JeffM2501 | for the major updates we use an odd minor version |
| 01:24.16 | JeffM2501 | hence 2.1.x |
| 01:24.49 | JeffM2501 | we will make a 2.1.2 and it WON'T be stable |
| 01:25.08 | Teppic | So, docs are written for stable, so my release will be stable.alpha1, .stable.beta-build(as many as needed), then stable.stable (multiple of 2) |
| 01:25.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah I guess you can put it that way |
| 01:25.33 | JeffM2501 | we don't realy have a fixed doc writing schedule tho :) |
| 01:25.40 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda whenever |
| 01:26.02 | JeffM2501 | they are probalby stamped with the releases when we build them tho |
| 01:26.05 | Atomica | Teppic, will you help me at all? |
| 01:26.08 | JeffM2501 | but I'm not a man page expert |
| 01:26.36 | Atomica | and where in the CVS is the newest BZFS with zoneflag? and /flag give? |
| 01:26.46 | Atomica | and is it stableishy? |
| 01:26.58 | JeffM2501 | that should be part of the current v2_0branch |
| 01:27.01 | Teppic | Well, it's hard to write modules to 'we haven't written the docs yet' , so they will always be to the last stable release docs (or whatever I can get my mits on) |
| 01:27.06 | Gnurdux | Atomica, 2.0_branch |
| 01:27.23 | Atomica | it's at sourcefordge right? |
| 01:27.31 | Gnurdux | Atomica, yep |
| 01:27.35 | JeffM2501 | it's a tag in cvs |
| 01:27.44 | Atomica | ok I'm lost |
| 01:27.49 | Atomica | that was easy |
| 01:28.09 | JeffM2501 | if you are learning to program |
| 01:28.11 | JeffM2501 | start smaller |
| 01:28.15 | Atomica | CVS/BZFLAG |
| 01:28.15 | JeffM2501 | do the C++ tutorials |
| 01:28.19 | JeffM2501 | don't try to jump right into the game |
| 01:28.22 | JeffM2501 | you won't make it |
| 01:28.29 | Atomica | :P I'm not |
| 01:28.32 | Gnurdux | whats he trying to do? |
| 01:28.36 | Gnurdux | to implement? |
| 01:28.38 | Teppic | BTW, GPX01 importer 30~& done |
| 01:28.41 | Thumper_ | eek! |
| 01:28.43 | Atomica | I just want the newest compiled BZFS version |
| 01:28.44 | JeffM2501 | no he's asking about cvs |
| 01:28.49 | JeffM2501 | Teppic, sweet |
| 01:28.53 | Atomica | which I just noticed I can't get |
| 01:28.58 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i dont think your communicating properly |
| 01:29.01 | JeffM2501 | ibot cvs |
| 01:29.02 | ibot | cvs stands for concurrent versions systems. more info here http://www.cvshome.org/. The asterisk CVS can be found at http://asterisk.espia-net.net/horde/chora/cvs.php. It is also Giving.....you.....the.......source......one..........bit.........at..............a.....................time. |
| 01:29.06 | Gnurdux | Atomica, what OS are you on |
| 01:29.08 | JeffM2501 | ibot bzcvs |
| 01:29.09 | ibot | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -P -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 01:29.09 | Atomica | OMG |
| 01:29.12 | Atomica | cn;t read |
| 01:29.20 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, scarry isn't it? |
| 01:29.27 | Thumper_ | um yeah :/ |
| 01:29.31 | Gnurdux | Atomica, what OS are you on? |
| 01:29.51 | Teppic | I had to write a curses frontend to lm-sensors, but thats done and paid for, so, time is free. |
| 01:29.55 | Thumper_ | what was this remark trepan had about bz_eShotBegin ? |
| 01:30.05 | JeffM2501 | that I do not know |
| 01:30.11 | Atomica | XP |
| 01:30.20 | Atomica | the crappiest os in the world |
| 01:30.35 | Atomica | well, MS is |
| 01:30.40 | Gnurdux | Atomica, 98 is the crappiest |
| 01:30.41 | Teppic | Lol@ibot &cvs |
| 01:30.50 | Gnurdux | well Linux is good for things like patches |
| 01:30.50 | Atomica | no 95 or ME |
| 01:30.58 | *** join/#bzflag jbauman (i=Johnq@JBAUMAN.RES.cmu.edu) |
| 01:31.03 | Gnurdux | 98 crashes 5 times a day |
| 01:31.03 | Atomica | shut up :( |
| 01:31.13 | Teppic | Win95 rocks, you can exit to dos. |
| 01:31.14 | JeffM2501 | any OS is fine for patches, as long as you are set up with the tools |
| 01:31.19 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:31.20 | Gnurdux | Atomica, if you hate M$ why do you use it? |
| 01:31.37 | Gnurdux | but linux comes with stuff like patch, and GCC, and make, and CVS |
| 01:31.42 | Atomica | becasue it supports all my ames and prgrams |
| 01:31.47 | JeffM2501 | linux makes it easyer to get yes |
| 01:31.48 | Gnurdux | Atomica, such as? |
| 01:31.58 | Atomica | mech warrior |
| 01:31.58 | Gnurdux | give examples |
| 01:32.05 | JeffM2501 | FEAR |
| 01:32.08 | JeffM2501 | DDO |
| 01:32.10 | brlcad | consider taking your OS religion/war/discussion off-line |
| 01:32.12 | Gnurdux | some of those might work with WINE/Cedega |
| 01:32.13 | Teppic | After the start of the second gulf war, all ms products are off limits to my employees. |
| 01:32.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:32.27 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, wine is not the end all /be all |
| 01:32.30 | JeffM2501 | and take it elsewhere |
| 01:32.32 | Gnurdux | its kinda borken |
| 01:32.34 | brlcad | i.e. who cares |
| 01:32.34 | Gnurdux | wine is |
| 01:32.39 | JeffM2501 | take it to #lameassflames |
| 01:32.48 | Teppic | LOL@jeff |
| 01:32.59 | Atomica | I will hopefully turn this crap into a linux server for me |
| 01:33.02 | brlcad | mm.. assflames |
| 01:33.07 | brlcad | i could go for some chili |
| 01:33.08 | Atomica | and make my new and better XP box |
| 01:33.20 | Thumper_ | brlcad: heh |
| 01:33.26 | Thumper_ | or maybe OW! |
| 01:33.39 | Atomica | TEPPIC! |
| 01:33.43 | JeffM2501 | damn I never did an API version of flag type :( |
| 01:33.45 | brlcad | tequila would do the trick to..hmmmm |
| 01:33.46 | Teppic | Ya |
| 01:34.00 | JeffM2501 | a baseball bat would help these 2 |
| 01:34.07 | Atomica | stop forgetting |
| 01:34.08 | brlcad | hot sauce isn't enough for me |
| 01:34.14 | Atomica | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7485 |
| 01:34.22 | Thumper_ | add it to the chili... |
| 01:34.24 | Atomica | to refress |
| 01:34.30 | brlcad | that'll do the trick |
| 01:34.35 | Atomica | the URL? |
| 01:35.39 | Atomica | How do you get good at Blender? |
| 01:35.39 | Teppic | Hang on i'm rolling.... |
| 01:36.03 | Atomica | Should I just stick a real one on my head and turn it on |
| 01:36.17 | Atomica | I think Jeff2501 says yes |
| 01:37.37 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 01:37.48 | JeffM2501 | mostly I just think you need to think before you type |
| 01:38.34 | Teppic | ok, I started rendering 3D scenes at 16 on an amiga using Imagine, 11 years later I can make shit look almost real in Blender, big deal, consideer the time frame, I suck really. |
| 01:38.55 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:39.02 | JeffM2501 | Atomica, basicly practivce |
| 01:39.04 | JeffM2501 | practice |
| 01:39.06 | JeffM2501 | do |
| 01:39.11 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't happen overnight |
| 01:39.43 | JeffM2501 | tho techincaly I have to say "teppic, please watch your language" |
| 01:39.49 | JeffM2501 | but I understand why |
| 01:39.57 | Atomica | ok |
| 01:40.07 | Teppic | I can make ***** look real.... |
| 01:40.10 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, you never say "shit" |
| 01:40.13 | Gnurdux | ? |
| 01:40.26 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, please watch your language |
| 01:40.40 | JeffM2501 | what I Say personaly has nothing to do with the rules of this channel |
| 01:40.40 | Gnurdux | ok. but do you ever say it JeffM2501 ? |
| 01:40.42 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 01:40.48 | Gnurdux | do you ever say it on this channel JeffM2501 ? |
| 01:40.58 | JeffM2501 | it is against the rules of this channel |
| 01:41.07 | Gnurdux | youre avoiding my question |
| 01:41.11 | JeffM2501 | being an adminof it, I am aslo bound by it's rules |
| 01:41.17 | JeffM2501 | becuse your quesion is lame |
| 01:41.29 | JeffM2501 | and if you want to anger me then you are doing a REALY good job at it |
| 01:41.47 | Atomica | AHH! |
| 01:41.53 | Atomica | sorry |
| 01:41.55 | Atomica | wrong window |
| 01:42.23 | JeffM2501 | days? |
| 01:42.26 | JeffM2501 | dude talk about hours |
| 01:42.32 | JeffM2501 | your not far from a +q |
| 01:42.38 | JeffM2501 | and you don't want a +q |
| 01:43.02 | Atomica | TEPPIC!!! : http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7485 |
| 01:43.11 | Teppic | Jeff, I apologise, it's my upbringing and background, I find it difficult to leave behind me, sorry. |
| 01:43.16 | Atomica | oh wait, you said you were ROLLING? |
| 01:43.21 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i'm not being much worse than Atomica |
| 01:43.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah and both of you are geting on our nerves |
| 01:44.04 | JeffM2501 | seting quiet on 2 people is just as easy as one |
| 01:44.31 | Mr_Molez | getPlayerByIndex ...is there such a thing as get player by team score ? |
| 01:44.56 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, no |
| 01:45.01 | Mr_Molez | figures |
| 01:45.05 | Gnurdux | but you could probably iterate trhough all players |
| 01:45.06 | JeffM2501 | thats not a unique identifyer |
| 01:45.14 | Mr_Molez | it aint ?? ah ok :p |
| 01:45.14 | Gnurdux | and check their score |
| 01:45.17 | Teppic | Atomica : nesting?? |
| 01:45.27 | Gnurdux | different people can have the same score |
| 01:45.46 | JeffM2501 | 2 players could have the same team score |
| 01:46.07 | Mr_Molez | whats wrong with that ? |
| 01:46.19 | JeffM2501 | then how would it return a single player? |
| 01:46.27 | Gnurdux | so you cant have one function to get a player by team score |
| 01:46.39 | Gnurdux | if two players had the same score, how would it know which one |
| 01:46.47 | Mr_Molez | heh :) |
| 01:49.04 | Atomica | yes |
| 01:49.06 | Atomica | nesting |
| 01:49.13 | Atomica | putting one thing inside another |
| 01:49.31 | Gnurdux | so returning a LIST of players? |
| 01:49.36 | Gnurdux | Mr_Molez, why do you want it anyway? |
| 01:49.43 | Gnurdux | btw hows the plugin coming? |
| 01:50.04 | Mr_Molez | Gnurdux: I am looking through pimpis 1v1 code.. It has all the record stuff in there. Just need to change stuff to do it for team stuff :P |
| 01:50.29 | Atomica | Teppic: look in "I have a map idea..." |
| 01:50.38 | Atomica | and the lava floor code |
| 01:50.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): |
| 01:50.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: remove -maxshotz ( it was dumb ) |
| 01:50.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add API hook to let the plugin mess with shot messages |
| 01:51.12 | JeffM2501 | there that is better |
| 01:51.14 | Gnurdux | shot messages? |
| 01:51.18 | JeffM2501 | hes |
| 01:51.18 | Atomica | huh? |
| 01:51.19 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 01:51.35 | JeffM2501 | learner, where did textchunkmanager move from and too? I have to update the vc project |
| 01:52.02 | Gnurdux | are those like "Gnurdux got skewered by teammate Think_Different's super bullet"? |
| 01:52.07 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 01:52.08 | blast007 | Gnurdux: no |
| 01:52.13 | JeffM2501 | they are the messages for the shots |
| 01:52.13 | blast007 | the ShotBegin and ShotEnd |
| 01:52.20 | JeffM2501 | see ya |
| 01:52.25 | Atomica | NOOOO!!!!! |
| 01:52.48 | Gnurdux | blast007, what do they do? |
| 01:52.56 | blast007 | just what they say |
| 01:53.03 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, they tell the server that somone shot |
| 01:53.27 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 01:53.29 | JeffM2501 | learner, nm, found em |
| 01:53.37 | Atomica | aww |
| 01:53.43 | Atomica | He will never help me! |
| 01:53.45 | brlcad | woot |
| 01:53.49 | brlcad | policies are working |
| 01:53.49 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, why would plugins mess with em? |
| 01:54.07 | Atomica | uhh... so now someone can make a plugin for that no shot ting? |
| 01:54.09 | JeffM2501 | to do things like change the shot type from regular to PZ based on it's height |
| 01:54.13 | Gnurdux | hehe i have a plugin idea |
| 01:54.15 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, ah cool |
| 01:54.22 | brlcad | JeffM2501: from src/bzfs to src/common and include |
| 01:54.25 | Gnurdux | Atomica, once they get the CVS |
| 01:54.29 | brlcad | for source/header respectively |
| 01:54.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's done |
| 01:54.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/ (bzfs.vcproj common.vcproj): textChunkManager done gots moved |
| 01:54.57 | JeffM2501 | and checked in |
| 01:55.04 | JeffM2501 | you do it in head too? |
| 01:55.19 | JeffM2501 | mehh dosn't mater, I don't have head here |
| 01:55.23 | Gnurdux | the thing is you have to wait several hours before it gets in our cv |
| 01:55.24 | Gnurdux | s |
| 01:55.50 | JeffM2501 | well that AND he'll need a server build with it |
| 01:55.54 | Gnurdux | yep |
| 01:55.59 | Gnurdux | and someone to write the plugin |
| 01:56.15 | JeffM2501 | you 2 are smart, I'm sure you'll figure it out |
| 01:56.18 | JeffM2501 | in no time |
| 01:56.53 | Gnurdux | or not |
| 01:57.05 | Gnurdux | i only fix my personal issues, not other peoples |
| 01:57.17 | *** join/#bzflag JBdiGriz (n=JBdiGriz@adsl-67-125-169-155.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 01:57.17 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JBdiGriz] by ChanServ |
| 01:57.23 | JeffM2501 | sure ya do, skip |
| 01:57.27 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/server/ (4 files in 2 dirs): message handler changes ( that probably still need to be changed ) |
| 01:58.10 | JeffM2501 | cus that's the best way to get people to help ya.. being selfish |
| 01:58.10 | Gnurdux | hmm true |
| 01:58.10 | brlcad | making one more example spawn policy |
| 01:58.10 | brlcad | so not checked in yet |
| 01:58.11 | brlcad | but it will be some new files when it is |
| 01:58.11 | brlcad | in src/bzfs |
| 01:58.11 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:58.11 | JeffM2501 | no worries |
| 01:58.11 | Gnurdux | its just fixing something that only affects 1 person who isnt me |
| 01:58.15 | Gnurdux | Teppic can do it |
| 01:58.25 | Gnurdux | hmm well i could do it if i could get the CVS |
| 01:58.26 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, and your the only person who matters right? |
| 01:58.30 | Gnurdux | no |
| 01:58.40 | Atomica | n/quit Died from confusion! |
| 01:58.44 | Atomica | poop |
| 01:59.09 | Gnurdux | well also doing that sort of thing might be a bit hard |
| 02:00.57 | JeffM2501 | well that and an appletini |
| 02:01.05 | JeffM2501 | but I have to wait a couple more days for those |
| 02:02.50 | Gnurdux | maybe i can do atomica's plugin tomorrow |
| 02:02.53 | Gnurdux | or friday |
| 02:02.58 | Gnurdux | or thursday |
| 02:03.11 | Gnurdux | cause no school on friday |
| 02:03.12 | JeffM2501 | remember that thing about you NOT saying everything you think |
| 02:03.26 | JeffM2501 | I'm serious that I'll put a quiet on you, then you won't be able to say ANYTHING here |
| 02:03.33 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
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| 02:11.40 | brlcad | mmm.. appletinis |
| 02:14.12 | brlcad | hehe |
| 02:14.25 | brlcad | menotume: spawn policies are awesome |
| 02:14.46 | Gnurdux | whats a spawn policy? |
| 02:15.02 | brlcad | what do you think it is |
| 02:15.11 | Gnurdux | something that determines where you spawn |
| 02:15.13 | Gnurdux | are they new? |
| 02:16.00 | brlcad | does it sound like it's new? |
| 02:16.05 | Gnurdux | not really |
| 02:16.18 | brlcad | menotume: the new spawn policies are awesome |
| 02:16.24 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 02:16.26 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 02:16.34 | Gnurdux | are they a map feature? |
| 02:16.58 | brlcad | do you think they're a map feature? |
| 02:17.08 | Gnurdux | maybe a CommandLineOption |
| 02:17.22 | brlcad | does it really matter? |
| 02:17.29 | Gnurdux | not particularly |
| 02:17.36 | brlcad | then the reason you're asking? |
| 02:18.49 | Gnurdux | *plugin |
| 02:19.01 | brlcad | that's better |
| 02:19.20 | Gnurdux | ho humm is it ok to be annoying on #bzchat ? |
| 02:19.32 | brlcad | go for it |
| 02:19.37 | brlcad | that's what it's for |
| 02:19.40 | Gnurdux | :) |
| 02:19.41 | Gnurdux | cool |
| 02:20.01 | JBdiGriz | Are there any operators on #bzchat? They might be able to venture an opinion. |
| 02:20.09 | Gnurdux | noone is opped there |
| 02:20.12 | Gnurdux | except for chanserv |
| 02:20.24 | brlcad | anyone that wants to see what truely random map placements are like, bzflag.bz:4242 |
| 02:20.57 | Gnurdux | they didnt used to be random brlcad ? |
| 02:23.31 | Gnurdux | brlcad, learner spawned on red base |
| 02:35.06 | Gnurdux | brlcad, how did spawning used to work? |
| 02:35.19 | blast007 | it used to be client side |
| 02:35.31 | blast007 | then we moved it into the server-side code |
| 02:35.37 | Gnurdux | that was a while ago |
| 02:35.49 | Gnurdux | that was like 2.0.0 right? |
| 02:36.14 | blast007 | I can't recall when stuff is added :) |
| 02:36.19 | blast007 | check the changelog |
| 02:36.31 | Gnurdux | but if it wasnt random how was it blast007 ? |
| 02:36.45 | blast007 | there is always a bit a randomness to it |
| 02:37.02 | Gnurdux | but supposed brlcad 's was truly random |
| 02:37.03 | blast007 | it doesn't just say "okay, this is your spawn location for your entire life" |
| 02:37.10 | Gnurdux | how was the old one not truly random |
| 02:37.24 | blast007 | does it matter enough that you need to keep asking? |
| 02:37.32 | Gnurdux | probably not really |
| 02:39.03 | bryjen | ~nslookup bzflag.bz |
| 02:39.37 | brlcad | bryjen: i shut it down |
| 02:39.57 | bryjen | ah |
| 02:40.20 | brlcad | want me to start it up? |
| 02:40.31 | bryjen | naw, not that important |
| 02:40.34 | brlcad | basically just made a random spawn policy that picks a valid random position |
| 02:40.44 | brlcad | so you end up spawning in interesting places you usually don't |
| 02:40.55 | brlcad | like corners of the map, against walls, on other people's bases, etc |
| 02:41.03 | brlcad | right behind them |
| 02:41.07 | bryjen | hehe |
| 02:41.07 | brlcad | right in front of them |
| 02:42.06 | brlcad | should be real easy to make new policies |
| 02:42.22 | Gnurdux | brlcad, they did spawn on other people |
| 02:42.23 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 02:42.27 | Gnurdux | brlcad, its generic? |
| 02:42.41 | Gnurdux | so is there an option -randomSpawn? |
| 02:42.41 | brlcad | Gnurdux: you're about 20 questions past your hourly question quota |
| 02:42.46 | brlcad | 21 now |
| 02:42.55 | Gnurdux | hmm true |
| 02:43.18 | bryjen | head or branch? |
| 02:43.18 | brlcad | ask another before the hour is up and your voice will be taken |
| 02:43.50 | brlcad | right now on branch, it doesn't break anything -- doesn't even change any behavior yet |
| 02:44.10 | brlcad | haven't hooked in any options, just swapped a new SpawnPolicy() with a new RandomSpawnPolicy() |
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| 02:44.27 | brlcad | so still a little bit of work to go |
| 02:49.34 | bryjen | after tk-ing, you should spawn in a corner, facing into it ;) |
| 02:49.47 | Gnurdux | bryjen, lol good idea |
| 02:50.07 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:50.16 | brlcad | that would be an easy spawn policy :) |
| 02:52.05 | Gnurdux | brlcad, make spawn policies setup through the API |
| 02:52.28 | Gnurdux | and just keep the default one for built in |
| 02:52.35 | Gnurdux | so that plugins could make spawn rules |
| 02:53.01 | blast007 | can't plugins can already do that? |
| 02:53.12 | Gnurdux | i doubt it |
| 02:53.20 | blast007 | I know there is that one airspawn mod that sets your spawn position in the air |
| 02:53.25 | Gnurdux | true |
| 02:53.28 | blast007 | s/mod/plugin |
| 02:53.30 | Gnurdux | good point |
| 02:53.47 | bryjen | iirc plugins can mod spawn data, so policies be _be_ plugins |
| 02:53.58 | Gnurdux | then what was the point of spawn policies? |
| 02:54.07 | blast007 | Gnurdux: built-in logic |
| 02:54.13 | Gnurdux | i see |
| 02:54.18 | blast007 | the current spawn code is being improved |
| 02:54.28 | blast007 | plugins are still free to do their own spawn algorithm |
| 02:54.46 | Gnurdux | i have an idea! |
| 02:54.50 | bryjen | that and brlcad's actually doing it, so it gets done however he wants |
| 02:54.51 | blast007 | no you don't |
| 02:54.54 | Gnurdux | after tk'ing you spawn into a world weapon |
| 02:55.13 | blast007 | bryjen ;) |
| 02:55.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (4 files): |
| 02:55.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Woot, now introducing modularized spawn policies for the spawn position |
| 02:55.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: generator. Abstracting the selection of a new position and azimuth to a spawn |
| 02:55.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: policy class, we can create a variety of new spawning mechanisms that could even |
| 02:55.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: be changed on the fly. The new/default SpawnPolicy class does exactly what it |
| 02:55.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: did before, no change was made there. |
| 02:55.46 | Gnurdux | ooh it should be a bzdb var |
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| 02:56.26 | blast007 | /set _gnurduxCantSpeak 1 |
| 02:56.51 | Gnurdux | /mute Gnurdux you mean |
| 02:57.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (RandomSpawnPolicy.h RandomSpawnPolicy.cxx): |
| 02:57.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: as an example of some of the fun you can have with the new spawn policies, here |
| 02:57.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: is an initial example of a random spawn policy where the spawn position is |
| 02:57.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: purely random (while still remaining a valid location) so you can end up in |
| 02:57.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: corners, next to the wall edges, on enemy bases, in front of a deadly bullet, |
| 02:57.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: etc. |
| 02:58.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/Makefile.am: add the new SpawnPolicy and RandomSpawnPolicy files to the build, windows folks will need to do the same to their build |
| 02:59.52 | brlcad | that otta do it for the branch |
| 03:01.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b %Gnurdux*!*@*] by brlcad |
| 03:01.36 | Mr_Molez | oh my |
| 03:01.40 | brlcad | you were warned, that sticks until tomorrow |
| 03:01.59 | brlcad | circumvent it, and it'll stick for longer |
| 03:07.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (RandomSpawnPolicy.h SpawnPolicy.h): virtual destructor for the virtual class |
| 03:10.09 | bryjen | yay for virtual destruction! |
| 03:14.08 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (RandomSpawnPolicy.cxx SpawnPolicy.cxx): team and maxWorldHeight were shadowing other vars, rename them and quell another unused var warning |
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| 03:15.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (7 files): merge the new spawn policy changes from v2_0branch to HEAD. |
| 03:19.04 | brlcad | that should do it for today |
| 03:20.04 | Mr_Molez | yay I have managed to half do my /record thingy p |
| 03:20.08 | blast007 | I think my IRC logs will fill up a lot slower now :) |
| 03:20.21 | brlcad | blast007: sounds like a challenge |
| 03:20.29 | blast007 | bum bum BUM! |
| 03:20.56 | Mr_Molez | what is the opposite to readySetGo |
| 03:21.07 | blast007 | 'twas in regards to Gnurdux ;) |
| 03:21.24 | Mr_Molez | gameOver ? |
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| 03:21.46 | blast007 | oGteSydaer |
| 03:21.52 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 03:22.08 | brlcad | unpreparedUnsetStop? |
| 03:22.10 | bryjen | ~spell multiplyers |
| 03:22.29 | Mr_Molez | brlcad: hehe |
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| 03:24.17 | Mr_Molez | Record::saveBuffer(winner->getIndex(), basename, 0 /* the whole buffer*/); |
| 03:24.32 | Mr_Molez | can anyone think of a way to do that to work for team matches ? |
| 03:25.27 | Mr_Molez | getindex i mean :P |
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| 04:01.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: remove extra whitespace from startup messages. not as pretty, but won't get clobbered by scripted cleanups again. |
| 04:04.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: touch-up some things in the -help message |
| 04:12.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/man/bzfs.6.in: grammar |
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| 04:42.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: remove extra whitespace from startup messages. not as pretty, but won't get clobbered by scripted cleanups again. |
| 04:43.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: touch-up some things in the -help message |
| 04:44.29 | bryjen | ~seen DTRemenak |
| 04:44.34 | ibot | dtremenak <n=DTRemena@c-67-187-164-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 8d 6h 15m 21s ago, saying: 'hehe'. |
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| 05:48.44 | JeffM2501 | brlcad did you roll v2_0branch into head? |
| 05:50.50 | brlcad | yep |
| 05:51.04 | JeffM2501 | for all files? |
| 05:51.10 | brlcad | yep |
| 05:51.15 | brlcad | 4 new ones |
| 05:51.16 | JeffM2501 | hmm my API stuff isn't there |
| 05:51.23 | brlcad | src/bzfs |
| 05:51.29 | brlcad | oh |
| 05:51.37 | brlcad | i didn't merge the whole thing |
| 05:51.37 | JeffM2501 | looks like you did the windows projects too |
| 05:51.47 | brlcad | nah, mac did last night |
| 05:51.53 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 05:52.02 | brlcad | but not for the new files from today |
| 05:53.56 | JeffM2501 | checking if it builds |
| 05:54.06 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b %Gnurdux*!*@*] by brlcad |
| 05:54.19 | JeffM2501 | oh no |
| 05:54.22 | JeffM2501 | what did he do? |
| 05:54.34 | brlcad | he just wouldn't stop |
| 05:54.48 | JeffM2501 | man.. after I warned him too before I went hom |
| 05:54.54 | JeffM2501 | what a moron |
| 05:55.06 | brlcad | i warned him about five more times |
| 05:55.31 | JeffM2501 | do parents not encourage there kids to learn social interaction skills these days? |
| 05:55.32 | brlcad | it was just a +q |
| 05:56.12 | brlcad | but he left after that |
| 05:56.12 | JeffM2501 | well he was warned |
| 05:57.16 | brlcad | that he was, more than most |
| 05:58.03 | brlcad | i think he's just used to asking questions for the hell of it |
| 05:58.14 | JeffM2501 | I guess |
| 05:58.24 | brlcad | without thinking why he would even care |
| 05:58.57 | JeffM2501 | its like the keyboard was connected directly to his thought process |
| 05:59.10 | brlcad | indeed |
| 05:59.23 | brlcad | did I mention how cool spawn policies are? :) |
| 05:59.24 | JeffM2501 | just a babble kiddie SportChick |
| 05:59.33 | JeffM2501 | did you get them figured out? |
| 05:59.36 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ah |
| 05:59.41 | brlcad | yep, it's in there |
| 05:59.58 | SportChick | brlcad: when are we going to have another decks night? |
| 06:00.13 | brlcad | added one just to show some possiblity, a fully random spawn policy |
| 06:00.43 | brlcad | SportChick: alas, you're a couple hours late for this coast |
| 06:00.43 | JeffM2501 | how does one setup new spawn policys? |
| 06:00.59 | brlcad | right now, you uncomment a line and comment the other :) |
| 06:01.04 | SportChick | brlcad: you already had one?! :( |
| 06:01.06 | brlcad | have to hook in some command line foo |
| 06:01.14 | JeffM2501 | you should make it so plugins can define them |
| 06:02.25 | brlcad | thought you already added a hook on the spawn for plugins |
| 06:02.37 | JeffM2501 | just for the spawn point |
| 06:02.42 | JeffM2501 | not realy a "policy" |
| 06:02.50 | brlcad | that's all this is really |
| 06:02.55 | brlcad | at least so far |
| 06:03.10 | brlcad | the policy is in the logic for how it decides that point |
| 06:04.48 | brlcad | this was just a first stab, needs some more work of course, configurability |
| 06:05.01 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 06:05.11 | JeffM2501 | the API needs more info to pick the spawn point I think |
| 06:05.18 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't have much info now |
| 06:05.22 | brlcad | ahh |
| 06:05.27 | JeffM2501 | about the maps or zones or stuff |
| 06:05.36 | brlcad | yeah, you have access to everything in the policy |
| 06:05.50 | JeffM2501 | wll cus your inside the main :) |
| 06:06.42 | brlcad | need to hook the policies into zones too |
| 06:06.54 | brlcad | right now they do their own thing (random) |
| 06:07.41 | brlcad | that'll require passing an extents bounding box or something to the policy |
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| 06:12.28 | JeffM2501 | man this sucks... if I run IRC on any machine using xchat, it will kill my dsl... yet I've ben running using trillian now.. no death |
| 06:13.26 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 06:13.32 | JeffM2501 | triped your highlight? |
| 06:14.36 | brlcad | he ben der, don dat |
| 06:14.59 | brlcad | heh, guess so |
| 06:15.32 | brlcad | or maybe it's just an urban myth |
| 06:15.45 | BenUrban | *sigh* |
| 06:15.49 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 06:16.04 | BenUrban | i'm going to sleep soon... |
| 06:16.12 | BenUrban | i use my computer to wake me |
| 06:16.21 | BenUrban | don't make me quit xchat |
| 06:16.34 | brlcad | what time would you like your wake up call, good sir? |
| 06:16.45 | BenUrban | 3am |
| 06:16.47 | brlcad | in 20 minutes or 30? ;) |
| 06:16.50 | BenUrban | for everyone but me |
| 06:17.12 | brlcad | hmm |
| 06:17.16 | brlcad | i should probably do that too |
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| 14:58.49 | SportChick | hrm, i just got an interesting bzmail |
| 14:59.15 | SportChick | menotume, orange, Thumper: any of you here? |
| 15:04.23 | _Manu_ | SportChick, I can imagine it :) |
| 15:05.18 | SportChick | _Manu_: ever heard of a player/admin named Chuck Norris? |
| 15:05.35 | _Manu_ | yes, a player name |
| 15:06.02 | orange | SportChick: I'm here too |
| 15:06.02 | SportChick | _Manu_: someone reported to me that he is an admin on "a server" (though which server wasn't specified) and that he'sbeen "admin cheating" |
| 15:06.09 | SportChick | orange: thanks |
| 15:06.36 | _Manu_ | SportChick, fun :) |
| 15:06.44 | SportChick | here's the relevant test of the mail: "Also, wanted to tell you that there's a player named "Chuck Norris" who is admin on at least one site. He had been admin-cheating, i.e. giving himself special powers (not sure now, but maybe by using a modified client?) and kicking and killing other players using admin function, just for fun or revenge or frustration or whatever. |
| 15:06.44 | SportChick | Anyway, I am letting you know about Chuck Norris, in case he plays on any of your sites. I think that admins who act unethically damage the game in general. Thanks for listening. |
| 15:06.45 | SportChick | " |
| 15:07.13 | _Manu_ | I saw him once at Viper. No cheat.. and really bad score |
| 15:07.28 | _Manu_ | it was the last week iirc |
| 15:07.36 | SportChick | _Manu_: aren't they usually the ones that DO cheat? :) |
| 15:07.59 | _Manu_ | no, at last when I was on |
| 15:08.42 | SportChick | _Manu_: it was a joke :p |
| 15:09.10 | _Manu_ | I thought you had received an ofensive bzmail :) |
| 15:09.18 | _Manu_ | it happened to me time ago |
| 15:09.30 | _Manu_ | s/ofensive/offensive/ |
| 15:09.52 | SportChick | _Manu_: actually people are really mostly very polite to me. I cant' think that I EVER have received an offensive bzmail. I've had stuff happen ON a server, but not in mail. |
| 15:11.50 | _Manu_ | I was receiving one offensive email every day.. untill he lost his pm rights |
| 15:12.20 | _Manu_ | others usually pm me to ask something, of course in a polite way |
| 15:12.35 | SportChick | _Manu_: sounds like a good punishment |
| 15:12.40 | SportChick | _Manu_: same here |
| 15:12.55 | SportChick | _Manu_: I even still get a lot of "can I be an admin on secretplace" questions :p |
| 15:13.32 | _Manu_ | at last I have learn a couple more of english swears.. heh |
| 15:17.36 | SportChick | _Manu_: eek! |
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| 15:24.11 | Deepa | this just got very interesting |
| 15:24.14 | Deepa | SportChick: do you host a server? |
| 15:24.23 | SportChick | Deepa: no :p |
| 15:24.30 | Deepa | o |
| 15:24.33 | SportChick | Deepa: and I don't have email either :) |
| 15:24.38 | Deepa | now im surprised |
| 15:25.59 | Deepa | you get yelled at on a server and you arent hosting it |
| 15:26.03 | Deepa | brb |
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| 15:29.50 | flizzoyd83 | Does anyone have any good advice/resources on the best way to manage client socket connections in linux? I'm working on a game server right now and I think I may just take the easy way and make a separate read and write thread for each client connection. |
| 15:32.21 | ndim | flizzoyd83: man 2 select ? |
| 15:32.23 | Deepa | whats the bzflag debian package called btw? |
| 15:32.32 | ndim | Deepa: bzflag? |
| 15:33.01 | Deepa | kk |
| 15:33.13 | Deepa | i mean nethack isnt just nethack :P |
| 15:33.21 | Deepa | and i dont have access to a computer running debian which i can test it on :P |
| 15:33.38 | flizzoyd83 | ndim: Well, yeah there's that too. I'm just wondering how MMO games usually do it. I know in windows they use ICOP |
| 15:33.39 | ndim | packages.debian.org/bzflag |
| 15:34.23 | Deepa | the problem is that i have nor access to debian nor access to a webbrowser :) |
| 15:34.43 | ndim | flizzoyd83: I'd start by not writing stuff in C, but picking a language/runtime designed for thousands of simultanous threads, such as Erlang. :) |
| 15:36.07 | ndim | flizzoyd83: telnet packages.debian.org 80, GET /bzflag HTTP/1.0, Host: packages.debian.org, ENTER. |
| 15:37.14 | Deepa | ndim: and im lazy too |
| 15:37.46 | ndim | Deepa: couldn't you have started out stating htat? |
| 15:37.51 | Deepa | :) |
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| 16:26.23 | SportChick | TimRiker: hiya |
| 16:33.16 | JeffM2501 | how are the eyes TimRiker ? |
| 16:55.56 | SportChick | JeffM2501: what's wrong with his eyes? |
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| 16:59.11 | blast007 | SportChick: laser eye surgery |
| 16:59.22 | SportChick | blast007: ahhh |
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| 17:15.56 | TimRiker | fuzzy still. I think I'll need a "touch up" surgery. |
| 17:16.28 | TimRiker | they want to wait till 3 months after the first one. I guess they want me to heal up before they cut the same thing open again. |
| 17:16.37 | TimRiker | doesn't make much sense to me. :/ |
| 17:16.50 | JeffM2501 | well they probably know best |
| 17:17.11 | JeffM2501 | is it at least better? or did it just mean you get new glasses |
| 17:17.17 | TimRiker | I certainly don't claim to be an eye surgeon. |
| 17:17.23 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:18.09 | JeffM2501 | that's one job I'd not like |
| 17:18.17 | JeffM2501 | if you screw up it's somone's sight |
| 17:18.48 | JeffM2501 | if I screw up here all it does is blow up space shuttles, and make funny looking dog chow |
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| 17:23.46 | TimRiker | the dog chow I could live with. it's the blowing up shuttles that's problematic. |
| 17:24.26 | JeffM2501 | well that's asuming the shop idot dosn't test his final part |
| 17:24.42 | JeffM2501 | I think the worse we've ever done is just scrap chunks of expensive metal |
| 17:48.26 | ToughShooter | Space shuttles? Do you mean mouches volantes? |
| 17:54.11 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 17:54.29 | JeffM2501 | our software is used by the aerospace industry to make a lot of parts |
| 17:54.54 | JeffM2501 | as well as the dog chow people :) |
| 17:55.32 | ToughShooter | Ah, I missed the context :( |
| 17:56.18 | JeffM2501 | I was saying I'd hate to have the job of eye surgon, as a screwup is a persons sight |
| 17:56.33 | JeffM2501 | where at my current job if I screw up it just blows up space shuttles ;) |
| 17:56.36 | ToughShooter | I understand it now |
| 17:56.52 | orange | until you find out the laser eye machine companies have started using your software |
| 17:56.56 | orange | then how will you sleep at night? ;-) |
| 17:57.03 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm sure they do |
| 17:57.06 | ToughShooter | mouches volantes can be ***** |
| 17:57.19 | JeffM2501 | may people use our stuff |
| 17:57.22 | JeffM2501 | we are #3 |
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| 18:11.40 | _Manu_ | heh.. must be trujillo :) |
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| 20:23.27 | Thumper_ | SportChick: Chuck Norris doesn't admin any of the servers I run |
| 20:23.40 | Thumper_ | SportChick: I've seen him as a player now and then |
| 20:24.42 | SportChick | Thumper_: ok, ty |
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| 21:00.18 | brlcad | how would folks like to specify spawn policies? |
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| 21:06.22 | brlcad | i'm thinking something like simple named policies and use a bzdb var to set it, e.g. -set _spawnPolicy Random |
| 21:06.25 | Atomica | TEPPIC |
| 21:06.42 | Teppic | Ya |
| 21:06.52 | Atomica | Yay! you're here |
| 21:06.53 | Atomica | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=7485 |
| 21:06.59 | Atomica | you never helped |
| 21:07.04 | Tupone | brlcad I will use bzdb for mostly all things |
| 21:07.19 | Atomica | why a db? |
| 21:07.21 | brlcad | Atomica: so you came here to hunt him down.. |
| 21:07.24 | Tupone | so you can eventually change runtime |
| 21:07.32 | Atomica | yes brlcad |
| 21:07.44 | Teppic | What do you man by nesting? |
| 21:07.47 | Teppic | mean* |
| 21:08.34 | brlcad | Tupone: i think there should be a bzdb var for just about everything too eventually (though I don't want to see some of the shortcuts go away) |
| 21:08.38 | Atomica | that's not what I need help with, I need help with the other tings |
| 21:08.56 | Tupone | yep, that was what I meant |
| 21:09.00 | brlcad | e.g. +r could simply be an alias for set ricochet 1 or somesuch |
| 21:09.11 | Atomica | and can you look at the code in the other post and tell me how to texture the floor with that? |
| 21:09.14 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, that shouol be fine |
| 21:09.43 | brlcad | the only difficulty is that the spawn policies will be "unknown" but then I do suppose that's what the manpage is for |
| 21:09.55 | Teppic | Atomica : texture the fllor with the lava? |
| 21:10.09 | JeffM2501 | most of the bzfs options are unknown if you don't read a man page |
| 21:10.12 | JeffM2501 | same goes for permisions |
| 21:10.15 | Tupone | so when you dump the world you can dump all the variables too |
| 21:10.25 | Atomica | Teppic: yes |
| 21:12.11 | brlcad | JeffM2501: yep, and we see how well that works ;) |
| 21:12.31 | brlcad | i'm actually more just trying to avoid duplicating the list of policies more than necessary |
| 21:12.37 | JeffM2501 | out of all the features I started, I think permisions have worked out the best :) |
| 21:13.02 | JeffM2501 | well if your using names, it's going to be non inutiive on at least some level with out a list somewhere |
| 21:13.11 | JeffM2501 | unless you give the server a gui |
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| 21:14.30 | Atomica | Jeff: I forget, can you call that maxshotz in the conf file? |
| 21:14.49 | Gnurdux | Atomica, he removed it |
| 21:14.54 | Gnurdux | you need to make a plugin now |
| 21:15.06 | Atomica | oh yea |
| 21:15.13 | Atomica | that's why I forget |
| 21:16.36 | brlcad | permissions themselves work great |
| 21:17.04 | brlcad | it's the matter of know which ones are available |
| 21:17.04 | JeffM2501 | but yes the docs on them are weak |
| 21:17.10 | brlcad | e.g. i don't get a list on -help |
| 21:17.12 | JeffM2501 | what other options do you have? |
| 21:17.17 | Gnurdux | brlcad, what type of permissions? |
| 21:17.19 | brlcad | but they are manually kept up in the manpage |
| 21:17.34 | JeffM2501 | so you are sugesting a bzbb boolean for each one? |
| 21:17.40 | brlcad | nah |
| 21:17.42 | JeffM2501 | so they are explicid in a list? |
| 21:17.48 | brlcad | i'm just musing on if there's anything better |
| 21:17.49 | JeffM2501 | they are mutualy exclusive right? |
| 21:17.57 | brlcad | barring a gui or command line interface |
| 21:18.09 | brlcad | a bzfs command line would be sweet |
| 21:18.19 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, not all things involve you, reember what happend to you last night |
| 21:18.29 | Atomica | How can I make a default help file so I can just type /help and it will show that txt file? |
| 21:18.43 | Gnurdux | Atomica, i dont think thats possible |
| 21:18.49 | Atomica | aww |
| 21:18.51 | Gnurdux | but when you type /help it gives a list of files |
| 21:18.54 | brlcad | and yeah, they are mutually exclusive, so it is "just a list" |
| 21:18.56 | Gnurdux | and you could mod the source |
| 21:18.56 | Atomica | I know |
| 21:19.00 | Gnurdux | it would be really easy |
| 21:19.01 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, you needs a server "wizard" :) |
| 21:19.03 | Gnurdux | a few lines |
| 21:19.06 | Atomica | so I made mine /help me! |
| 21:19.09 | Atomica | :P |
| 21:19.19 | brlcad | i don't want a server wizard, that'd be too easy to start a server |
| 21:19.25 | brlcad | not like we need more of them runnning ;) |
| 21:19.25 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 21:19.35 | Teppic | Atomica : check the thread |
| 21:19.40 | JeffM2501 | maybe make it so you have to solve some math problems each time it's run |
| 21:19.46 | JeffM2501 | little turring test each time |
| 21:19.47 | brlcad | i'm thinking more of an interactive way to query what's available |
| 21:20.05 | JeffM2501 | too bad bzdb can't have enum lists |
| 21:20.12 | JeffM2501 | where it knows the valid options |
| 21:20.22 | Atomica | thanks teppic I will |
| 21:20.32 | JeffM2501 | but then I think we've pushed bzdb way further then it was designed to go |
| 21:20.44 | brlcad | that requires actual value objects.. or something like a proper scripting backend |
| 21:20.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:21.17 | brlcad | minimally you'd need key/value objects that can describe their constraints |
| 21:21.21 | Gnurdux | brlcad, you guys talking about GroupDB stuff? |
| 21:21.29 | brlcad | Gnurdux: no |
| 21:21.40 | brlcad | and that's your question for the hour |
| 21:21.40 | Gnurdux | ok cause it was something about perms... |
| 21:24.16 | Tupone | brlcad: my idea about bzdb can allow enum/list |
| 21:25.20 | Gnurdux | bzdb stores everything as a string |
| 21:25.35 | JeffM2501 | we know Gnurdux |
| 21:25.38 | Tupone | Gnurdux: that is exactly what I don't like |
| 21:25.45 | Gnurdux | so you would have to redo it |
| 21:25.58 | JeffM2501 | we know Gnurdux |
| 21:26.05 | Gnurdux | bzdb certainly has weaknesses but the string thing makes commands like /set much easier |
| 21:26.22 | Tupone | you can do in a lot of way |
| 21:26.43 | Tupone | C++ and virtual can help |
| 21:26.57 | Gnurdux | oh so have a class BZDBValue? |
| 21:27.11 | Gnurdux | with .toString, .toInt, .toFloat, .toBool |
| 21:27.15 | Gnurdux | or something like that |
| 21:27.18 | Tupone | with function that goes form string to internal value |
| 21:27.22 | Tupone | from |
| 21:27.23 | Gnurdux | all virtual function |
| 21:27.51 | Tupone | and viceversa |
| 21:27.55 | Gnurdux | it would be too easy to break with like /set |
| 21:28.18 | Tupone | rephrase |
| 21:28.30 | Gnurdux | /set could break it |
| 21:28.48 | Gnurdux | actually though if you did it will it could replace variable permissions and such |
| 21:29.00 | Tupone | what break means to you? |
| 21:29.16 | Gnurdux | you might be able to crash the server |
| 21:29.27 | Gnurdux | but thats because i didnt understand you at first |
| 21:29.28 | Tupone | well you could even making 1/0 |
| 21:29.50 | Gnurdux | if it would also have fromString etc and /set just called that, it would work well |
| 21:30.03 | Gnurdux | but it would be tempting to have a different class for each variable |
| 21:30.13 | Tupone | naha, too much code |
| 21:30.29 | Gnurdux | yes i know |
| 21:30.51 | Tupone | string will stay string, integer will become integer ... |
| 21:30.54 | Gnurdux | you would probably have StringValue, BoolValue, IntValue, FloatValue, and maybe PointerValue |
| 21:31.01 | Tupone | naha :/ |
| 21:31.09 | Gnurdux | PointerValue for things like poll |
| 21:31.21 | Gnurdux | Tupone, can a plugin create new variables? |
| 21:31.23 | Tupone | I will have write and get |
| 21:31.45 | JeffM2501 | bzdb is not an object broker |
| 21:31.47 | Tupone | but We are not going to implement this new variable :) |
| 21:31.49 | JeffM2501 | was never made to be |
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| 21:32.32 | Tupone | just talking :) |
| 21:32.47 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, thats why you get rid of BZDB |
| 21:33.01 | Gnurdux | hmm though too much depends on it, like client config files |
| 21:33.24 | JeffM2501 | what is wrong with bzdb? |
| 21:33.33 | JeffM2501 | if you want an object broker, WRITE one |
| 21:33.38 | Atomica | teppic: I need help with your textures |
| 21:33.38 | Gnurdux | true |
| 21:33.46 | JeffM2501 | for the things it was designed to do it works prety well |
| 21:33.48 | Gnurdux | Tupone, what do you need an object broker for? |
| 21:33.49 | Teppic | Atomica : go on... |
| 21:33.54 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, its certainly useful |
| 21:34.12 | Atomica | Teppic: How do I tile them and what "size" should I use and how to I link to them? |
| 21:34.13 | Tupone | spawn policy check for instance |
| 21:34.28 | JeffM2501 | that just needs an enum as you say |
| 21:34.29 | Gnurdux | oh so you would have a database of spawn policies? |
| 21:34.31 | Teppic | Use a texturematrix |
| 21:34.32 | JeffM2501 | not an object broker |
| 21:34.39 | Tupone | no need for cache, as all is in internal binary form |
| 21:34.41 | Gnurdux | well enums are ints so thats fine |
| 21:34.44 | JeffM2501 | changing the guts to be not strings isn't a bad thing |
| 21:34.46 | Gnurdux | just cast to and from ints |
| 21:34.57 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, we know how to code in C++ |
| 21:35.03 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, but all the references are strings |
| 21:35.07 | Gnurdux | like client confs |
| 21:35.39 | Atomica | Teppic: Why texturematrix? Can't I just make it a material? |
| 21:35.56 | Teppic | You need texturematrix to scale the texture, so it tiles. |
| 21:36.04 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, that is why tupone is saying he wants to change them |
| 21:36.05 | Atomica | ok |
| 21:36.12 | Atomica | What size should I use? |
| 21:36.13 | Teppic | It's a lot easier to do with meshes to be honest |
| 21:36.26 | Atomica | small, lage, medium, original? It's 20 high |
| 21:36.30 | Teppic | Size depends on what you are mapping it to. |
| 21:36.38 | Atomica | meshboxes |
| 21:36.40 | Gnurdux | Tupone, is this for 2.1 branch?\ |
| 21:36.58 | Tupone | just in my mind now, no plan .. nothing |
| 21:37.14 | Gnurdux | Tupone, what do you want the feature for? |
| 21:37.17 | Teppic | Atomica 1 or many boxes, the same size or different? |
| 21:37.32 | brlcad | Gnurdux: are you the inquisition? or just trolling? |
| 21:37.37 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, he was just thinking of imprving it.. it would help others |
| 21:37.44 | Gnurdux | true |
| 21:38.19 | JeffM2501 | he wants to play with the "big kids" and feel like part of the team |
| 21:38.53 | Atomica | It's a step pyramid - Everything is 20 high, so it's like 300x300x20 then 280x280x20 |
| 21:38.56 | Atomica | ect |
| 21:40.01 | Atomica | And I wish to have it tile 10x10 sqares? |
| 21:40.05 | JeffM2501 | damn.. my language would be a lot better if it wasn't for it's damned users :( |
| 21:41.26 | Atomica | Teppic: I want to use your... |
| 21:42.36 | Teppic | To be honest its easier to do with a single mesh, then it has uv coordinates . |
| 21:43.24 | Atomica | darkbrwnwall.png lava.png lavarock.png ect |
| 21:45.36 | Atomica | but I can't just make it tile and easily apply it? |
| 21:46.17 | Atomica | I just need to know what size to use though |
| 21:46.28 | Atomica | and how to link toit |
| 21:50.32 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, did you ever get a new macbook? |
| 21:51.11 | brlcad | not yet |
| 21:51.44 | brlcad | but I will be, just a matter of how soon I can get to it |
| 21:51.44 | JeffM2501 | have you thought about how to do the 0.6 release? do a universal binary and a 10.2? or just a uni and let 10.2s build there own? |
| 21:52.18 | Atomica | Did teppic die? |
| 21:52.26 | brlcad | yes, he did |
| 21:52.32 | JeffM2501 | because of something you did |
| 21:52.34 | Atomica | aww |
| 21:52.36 | JeffM2501 | how do you feel now? |
| 21:52.38 | Teppic | Sorry, reading man pages |
| 21:52.43 | Atomica | oh |
| 21:53.45 | brlcad | my initial reaction is we push out a 10.2 like we usually do, non-uni |
| 21:53.55 | brlcad | and make 2.2 the first uni |
| 21:53.58 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:53.59 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:54.11 | JeffM2501 | and ditch 10.2 for 2.2 ? |
| 21:54.18 | brlcad | definitely |
| 21:54.22 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:54.25 | CBG | :( |
| 21:54.34 | brlcad | i'm actually having trouble with 10.3 at this point |
| 21:54.35 | JeffM2501 | there will be a number of people who want a uni 2.0.6 |
| 21:54.38 | Teppic | Atomica, I'm a touch busy, I'll sort something out later, ok? |
| 21:54.47 | Atomica | Teppic: I have to go to dinner, just PM me all the stuff onhow to tile and/or what size to pic and how to link to your textures at http://www.teppic.homelinux.net/textures/ |
| 21:54.55 | Atomica | ok |
| 21:54.59 | brlcad | apple made an update to several system libraries that were compiled with gcc4 (which isn't on 10.3) |
| 21:55.00 | JeffM2501 | aperantly the 10.2's don't run on the intells |
| 21:55.01 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, cant you create 2 binaries relatively easilt? |
| 21:55.13 | brlcad | so i can't link against them using default tools |
| 21:55.22 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, if you want to donte the hardware for it, sure |
| 21:55.36 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, there are enough devs with macs tho arent there? |
| 21:55.39 | brlcad | i wouldn't expect them to -- you have to use gcc4 to make the universal |
| 21:55.47 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, no, I know of 2 |
| 21:55.50 | brlcad | it'd be easy enough to make the universal, but those are 10.4 only |
| 21:55.51 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 21:55.51 | JeffM2501 | thim and me |
| 21:56.07 | Gnurdux | i thought you run windoze |
| 21:56.10 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, think 10.3 is still need to be supported |
| 21:56.18 | brlcad | making a universal is just a matter of adding -arch ppc -arch 386 to the CFLAGS |
| 21:56.19 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, OSs are tools, I use more then one tool |
| 21:56.31 | Gnurdux | ok |
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| 21:56.37 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, want me to get 10.2 setup on the old G3? |
| 21:56.45 | brlcad | i agree.. which is why I was thinking let the x86 folk fend for themselves for a couple months |
| 21:56.53 | brlcad | at least until a build can be made |
| 21:57.01 | brlcad | then we could release two variants |
| 21:57.15 | Gnurdux | isnt it possible to cross-compile? |
| 21:57.17 | JeffM2501 | what OS versions "should" we support? |
| 21:57.22 | JeffM2501 | 10.3 and higher |
| 21:57.24 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:57.35 | JeffM2501 | I don't think 10.2 is still reasonable, is it? |
| 21:57.39 | brlcad | depends what you mean by "support" :) |
| 21:57.39 | JeffM2501 | it's rather old |
| 21:57.45 | JeffM2501 | well make binarys for |
| 21:57.49 | brlcad | it's pushing 4 years or so |
| 21:57.53 | JeffM2501 | most mac users don't know how to build |
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| 21:58.04 | brlcad | like supporting 98 as a compilation env |
| 21:58.16 | brlcad | (which we maybe do, but that's about the comp.) |
| 21:58.18 | JeffM2501 | 10.4 only for 2.0.6 is probably too harsh |
| 21:58.32 | brlcad | yeah it would be |
| 21:58.35 | JeffM2501 | actualy we only support VC7.1 with the projects now |
| 21:58.40 | JeffM2501 | and it dosn't run on 9x |
| 21:58.46 | brlcad | heck, there will be grief on 10.2 |
| 21:59.18 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, what about dev-c++ |
| 21:59.23 | JeffM2501 | I give apple props for having the balls to update the libs it did with GCC4 |
| 21:59.36 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, that's a joke IDE, it dosn't fully support the game |
| 21:59.49 | JeffM2501 | but the lib change did cause a lot of problems |
| 22:00.08 | brlcad | only/mainly c++ problems |
| 22:00.25 | JeffM2501 | well that is what a lot of apps are in |
| 22:00.33 | JeffM2501 | I know apple wold love us to be ObjectiveC |
| 22:00.40 | JeffM2501 | but that ain't the best for cross platform |
| 22:03.34 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, the server doesnt control individual raindrops, does it? |
| 22:03.50 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:03.55 | JeffM2501 | the server dosn't know anything about rain |
| 22:04.05 | JeffM2501 | rain is a horible hack |
| 22:04.21 | JeffM2501 | only reason we have it is cus I wanted to piss somone off |
| 22:04.27 | Tupone | I hate rain, I love fog |
| 22:04.27 | JeffM2501 | and I was REALY boored |
| 22:04.34 | JeffM2501 | the fog is cool |
| 22:05.05 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, who did you want to piss off? |
| 22:05.06 | Tupone | but I want some effects to be unselectable |
| 22:05.10 | Gnurdux | btw rain is really buggy |
| 22:05.19 | JeffM2501 | you can turn just rain off Tupone |
| 22:05.28 | Tupone | :( |
| 22:05.32 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, some kid who wanted to do rain as a school project |
| 22:05.36 | Gnurdux | rain is amazingly buggy |
| 22:05.38 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 22:05.40 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:05.41 | JeffM2501 | then fix it |
| 22:05.44 | Tupone | I meant for the game ... I want fog not eliminable |
| 22:05.49 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:05.50 | Gnurdux | most of it is client side |
| 22:05.53 | Tupone | or explosion |
| 22:05.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah fog does affect visibility |
| 22:06.03 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, ALL of it is client side |
| 22:06.11 | Gnurdux | Tupone, but then you would have to make it so that the server requires certain client versions |
| 22:06.11 | JeffM2501 | server just stores the bzdb vars |
| 22:06.16 | Gnurdux | 2.0.4 doesnt have fog |
| 22:06.25 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, most of the bigs have to do with bzdb changes |
| 22:06.30 | JeffM2501 | that's why fog should have been done in 2.1 |
| 22:06.35 | JeffM2501 | but then so should have many things |
| 22:06.43 | Gnurdux | if i set startz to 0, then go to another server, its startz there looks like 0 |
| 22:06.44 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.x will never stop |
| 22:06.53 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, SO FIX IT |
| 22:06.59 | Gnurdux | ok.... |
| 22:07.00 | JeffM2501 | don't go ramble about it |
| 22:07.03 | JeffM2501 | just fix it |
| 22:07.11 | JeffM2501 | you don't need to talk youself up about it |
| 22:07.20 | JeffM2501 | I did rain in like an hour |
| 22:07.26 | JeffM2501 | I'm supised it works |
| 22:07.38 | JeffM2501 | should have never added the frogs |
| 22:07.46 | Gnurdux | the frogs are awesome |
| 22:07.47 | Tupone | 2.0.x has to stop soon. gentoo package for instance was in the way to be masked out. I had to prepare patch for security that we have, but we have not released :( |
| 22:08.07 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, that's why we shoudl have locked it down before 2.0.4 |
| 22:08.20 | JeffM2501 | but no we let people keep adding stuff |
| 22:08.32 | Tupone | people are us |
| 22:08.36 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 22:08.43 | JeffM2501 | I wanted it locked down |
| 22:08.50 | JeffM2501 | but was overruled |
| 22:09.03 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, the thing is i use a 2.0.4 client and currently mainly interested in server issues |
| 22:09.06 | Gnurdux | not clients |
| 22:09.19 | Tupone | and I thought that when we have a released a version, only security/bug/new platform could be put in :/ |
| 22:09.20 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, and I care about that why? |
| 22:09.20 | Gnurdux | maybe i should upgrade |
| 22:09.25 | Gnurdux | you dont really |
| 22:09.39 | JeffM2501 | we need to set a fixed date for 2.0.6 |
| 22:09.41 | JeffM2501 | and just hit it |
| 22:09.45 | JeffM2501 | no mater what |
| 22:09.54 | Gnurdux | at some point you should freeze |
| 22:10.01 | brlcad | i stabbed a date of two weeks from sunday |
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| 22:10.10 | brlcad | got a couple good responses |
| 22:10.13 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b %#bzflag!*@*] by JeffM2501 |
| 22:10.27 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b %#bzflag!*@*] by JeffM2501 |
| 22:10.35 | JeffM2501 | that sounds good to me |
| 22:10.41 | JeffM2501 | windows installers are ready |
| 22:10.42 | Tupone | i vote for this saturday |
| 22:10.48 | JeffM2501 | that would be fine too |
| 22:10.56 | Tupone | :) |
| 22:10.57 | Gnurdux | this saturday sounds great |
| 22:11.01 | Tupone | lol |
| 22:11.09 | Gnurdux | but it also means that my patches wont make it |
| 22:11.11 | brlcad | Gnurdux: shush |
| 22:11.14 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, is it +q or +Q ? |
| 22:11.24 | brlcad | +q |
| 22:11.25 | guu | brlcad: Jien tah-duh gwa |
| 22:11.32 | JeffM2501 | avutaly he's had his quite time |
| 22:11.37 | JeffM2501 | time for a biger hin |
| 22:11.39 | JeffM2501 | hint |
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| 22:12.10 | Tupone | I won't plan anything for 1st april |
| 22:12.25 | JeffM2501 | I think it would be great :) |
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| 22:12.40 | JeffM2501 | to realy have a release then |
| 22:12.42 | brlcad | this weekend is doable, but I'm not confident that it can be tested well enough by then |
| 22:12.53 | JeffM2501 | another week would help with testing yes |
| 22:12.57 | Tupone | I'm testing the client |
| 22:13.04 | Tupone | continuosly |
| 22:13.05 | JeffM2501 | so saturday the 8th? |
| 22:13.13 | JeffM2501 | come hell or high water |
| 22:13.25 | brlcad | nah, if tupone's been testing, then we can probably do this weekend |
| 22:13.29 | JeffM2501 | then no more commits to 2.0 branch unless it's a DIRE bug fix |
| 22:13.31 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:13.33 | brlcad | maybe start on saturday |
| 22:13.37 | JeffM2501 | so the first the |
| 22:13.41 | JeffM2501 | I think we can make it |
| 22:13.49 | JeffM2501 | what to name it? |
| 22:13.53 | Tupone | fool |
| 22:14.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah something with the day |
| 22:14.14 | JBdiGriz | Fool's Gold |
| 22:14.18 | Gnurdux | thats good |
| 22:14.20 | JeffM2501 | foolscap |
| 22:14.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's probalby the best |
| 22:14.40 | Gnurdux | it needs a practical joke built in :P |
| 22:14.48 | JeffM2501 | since is going "gold" |
| 22:15.12 | JeffM2501 | so prep for satuday? |
| 22:15.15 | JBdiGriz | Who is preparing th Xbox release? |
| 22:15.26 | JeffM2501 | not this year |
| 22:15.46 | CBG | uh oh |
| 22:16.03 | Gnurdux | other than a built in practical joke to the client and/or server? |
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| 22:16.26 | JeffM2501 | aperantly he needs a biger hint |
| 22:16.48 | JeffM2501 | I'll double check the windows builds and docs tongiht |
| 22:17.02 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/TODO: release is scheduled for 2006.04.01, list outstanding issues -- no significant mods unless necessary or fixes a bug |
| 22:17.20 | JeffM2501 | just need to make sure the VC8's are up to date as well as the readme for how to compile in VC8 express\ |
| 22:17.40 | JeffM2501 | and verify the status of all the plugins |
| 22:17.47 | JeffM2501 | but that should not take long at all |
| 22:18.01 | JeffM2501 | and then I'll sweep out a b7 tongiht then |
| 22:20.10 | Tupone | JeffM2501: you need to build exclusively from a make dist to be sure we deploy the correct source |
| 22:20.44 | JeffM2501 | umm I can't build form a make dist |
| 22:20.53 | JeffM2501 | the zip files for source arn't made from a make dist |
| 22:20.56 | Tupone | but you can build from the source your way |
| 22:20.59 | JeffM2501 | make dist has the wrong line endtings |
| 22:21.14 | Tupone | aww |
| 22:21.32 | JeffM2501 | windows dosn't have a "make" |
| 22:21.44 | JeffM2501 | I use a CVS export for the zip file |
| 22:21.59 | Tupone | I know, that mean you release the zip, and we the tar.gz ? |
| 22:22.00 | JeffM2501 | make dist tarball is for users of the makefiles |
| 22:22.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:22.16 | JeffM2501 | sadly due to the way windows does stuff we have to have both |
| 22:23.17 | Tupone | well, at least we have, at some time, check that the file are the same |
| 22:23.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:23.35 | JeffM2501 | I'll double check the makefiles |
| 22:23.46 | JeffM2501 | to make sure they include the right windows files |
| 22:24.18 | Tupone | ok, I removed some that you forget, about a month ago |
| 22:24.21 | JeffM2501 | I don't think the VC8 dir is included |
| 22:24.36 | JeffM2501 | our the windows specific configs |
| 22:24.48 | JeffM2501 | I'll check when I get home |
| 22:24.53 | JeffM2501 | I'm not set up to build here at work |
| 22:24.53 | Tupone | playing^Wtesting :) |
| 22:25.31 | JeffM2501 | I think I still have to add the GLEW dll to the installer too |
| 22:25.40 | JeffM2501 | and redo the makeman stuff |
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| 22:36.33 | brlcad | JeffM2501: could automate the make dist so that it makes a zip that has windows line endings |
| 22:36.42 | brlcad | at least in theory |
| 22:36.46 | brlcad | maybe we can test that |
| 22:36.49 | JeffM2501 | doing an export is simple |
| 22:36.59 | JeffM2501 | and allways gets the right files :) |
| 22:37.17 | brlcad | technically gets "too much" |
| 22:37.27 | JeffM2501 | what do we not distribute? |
| 22:37.31 | JeffM2501 | that is in CVS? |
| 22:37.43 | brlcad | the CVS directories |
| 22:37.50 | JeffM2501 | that's why I do an EXPORT |
| 22:37.53 | JeffM2501 | dosn't make cvs dirs |
| 22:37.54 | brlcad | ah, true |
| 22:38.43 | JeffM2501 | it's just I don't have any way to run the make dist on my dev machine |
| 22:38.43 | brlcad | not a big deal, it just would be nice if it could be automated with the other tarballs |
| 22:38.54 | JeffM2501 | sure it would be nice for those that can run it |
| 22:39.09 | JeffM2501 | but it's not needed for the release |
| 22:39.25 | brlcad | i mean someone already is doing a make dist to get the tar.gz and tar.bz2 |
| 22:39.41 | brlcad | and that is done automatically |
| 22:39.47 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:39.58 | JeffM2501 | I'd just rather the windows source from from a windows system |
| 22:40.01 | JeffM2501 | I trust it more |
| 22:40.07 | brlcad | so if it could just automatically dump out a valid .zip too, that would save some time |
| 22:40.27 | JeffM2501 | well a windows builder has to do the windows build anyway |
| 22:40.27 | brlcad | that's what I mean about testing a zip dump |
| 22:40.33 | JeffM2501 | so it it's not like it takes more |
| 22:40.35 | brlcad | sure |
| 22:40.39 | brlcad | but it does |
| 22:40.39 | JeffM2501 | sure I'll test any zips you make |
| 22:40.44 | brlcad | you have to cvs export |
| 22:40.46 | brlcad | make the zip |
| 22:40.48 | brlcad | upload it |
| 22:40.51 | JeffM2501 | 2 right clicks :) |
| 22:41.11 | JeffM2501 | I usualy make the source while the installer is chuging |
| 22:41.29 | JeffM2501 | but hey of you can have it do all the files in windows format |
| 22:41.32 | JeffM2501 | even the proejcts |
| 22:41.35 | JeffM2501 | that's cool |
| 22:41.51 | brlcad | it would have to be everything to work |
| 22:41.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:42.00 | JeffM2501 | every non binary file |
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| 22:42.49 | JeffM2501 | and all your doing is moving the time from one person to another :) |
| 22:42.58 | JeffM2501 | since they have to zip and upload it too |
| 22:43.10 | JeffM2501 | it's just done by the script instead of my shell |
| 22:43.48 | brlcad | it's done by make instead of your clicking |
| 22:44.01 | JeffM2501 | and what trigers make? :) |
| 22:44.02 | brlcad | and the upload is along with someone already uploading the other sources |
| 22:44.16 | JeffM2501 | it's still an upload |
| 22:44.26 | brlcad | i'm not saying it a huge savings |
| 22:44.34 | JeffM2501 | techincaly if I do it can be faster since it can happen at the same time as the other uploads ;) |
| 22:44.36 | brlcad | but it will be just a couple steps less effort |
| 22:44.49 | JeffM2501 | paralell processing :) |
| 22:45.05 | JeffM2501 | the niceset thing about it would be the fact that it would allways be named the same |
| 22:45.08 | JeffM2501 | automaticly |
| 22:45.22 | brlcad | the other issue is that we have run into several releases where the zip didn't match the tgz for whatever reason |
| 22:45.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:45.44 | JeffM2501 | do it |
| 22:46.18 | JeffM2501 | well that's usualy cus the tarball is missing stuff |
| 22:47.21 | JeffM2501 | can you just tell the linux zipper to change the line ending? |
| 22:47.28 | JeffM2501 | or do you have to pipe it thru something? |
| 22:48.03 | JeffM2501 | and the 2 tests wold be to check it unziping with winzip and also the built in XP ziper |
| 22:49.35 | brlcad | i dont' know yet, I was going to look into it |
| 22:50.28 | JeffM2501 | ok cool |
| 22:50.34 | JeffM2501 | was just curious how it all worked :) |
| 22:50.46 | brlcad | another benefit, the manpages could be auto-converted to html as part of the make dist |
| 22:50.58 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 22:51.08 | JeffM2501 | they are converted now as part of the build ( once I fix it ) |
| 22:51.12 | brlcad | easy enough to filter /n's with /n/r's |
| 22:51.24 | brlcad | ah, k |
| 22:51.31 | brlcad | requires some special tool? |
| 22:51.39 | JeffM2501 | man2html |
| 22:51.44 | JeffM2501 | it's part of the build |
| 22:51.50 | brlcad | k |
| 22:52.29 | Tupone | http://bzflag.tupone.dyndns.org/bzflag-2.0.5.zip not converted, but you can check the missing files |
| 22:52.44 | JeffM2501 | when I get hime |
| 22:52.46 | JeffM2501 | home |
| 22:52.49 | JeffM2501 | in like 3 hours |
| 22:52.54 | Tupone | time and home -> hime |
| 22:53.24 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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