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| 00:21.18 | Gnurdux | is there a server BZDB var for ricochet |
| 00:21.54 | L4m3r | no, I'm pretty sure it's set by conf only |
| 00:22.04 | Gnurdux | oh |
| 00:22.07 | Gnurdux | ok |
| 00:22.08 | L4m3r | you'd have to restart the server to change it |
| 00:22.09 | Gnurdux | ok |
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| 00:45.31 | Aardwolf | is everyone in bzflag using an aimbot or something? |
| 00:45.51 | brlcad | aimbot? |
| 00:46.05 | brlcad | no they're not |
| 00:46.09 | Aardwolf | something that aims automatically |
| 00:46.20 | brlcad | heh |
| 00:46.29 | Aardwolf | then how comes it that whenever I'm in sight for someone who is very far, I'm dead immediatly? |
| 00:46.29 | Aardwolf | he can't aim and shoot that fast, it's impossible |
| 00:46.33 | brlcad | :) |
| 00:46.43 | Aardwolf | if it's not an aimbot, then how can this? |
| 00:46.53 | brlcad | the players do get that good |
| 00:46.58 | L4m3r | unless you use the "funny bullet" cheat, an aimbot would basically by autopilot |
| 00:46.59 | brlcad | you have to watch your radar |
| 00:47.35 | brlcad | the best the autopilot can do isn't nearly as good as a real player at far distances |
| 00:47.41 | Aardwolf | seems like I prefer UT over bzflag :/ |
| 00:47.55 | L4m3r | yeah, I've noticed |
| 00:48.05 | L4m3r | although, robot tanks are another story >_> |
| 00:48.06 | brlcad | hey L4m3r .. been a while |
| 00:48.19 | L4m3r | hi |
| 00:48.49 | L4m3r | heh, we haven't talked since Gladstones, have we? |
| 00:49.16 | brlcad | Aardwolf: while cheats are always possible, there are LOTS of players that really are just that good -- play for a while on one of the ducati-style maps and learn the basics of the dodging skills would be my suggestion ;) |
| 00:49.20 | Aardwolf | I wish bzflag had humans instead of tanks, and weapons like flak cannon, shock rifle and biorifle and such instead of the laser things :) |
| 00:49.26 | brlcad | yeah, I don't think we have :) |
| 00:49.33 | JeffM_ | then just go play UT |
| 00:49.35 | brlcad | hmm.. Gladstones.. I could go for that right now :/ |
| 00:49.37 | JeffM_ | they are very difrent games |
| 00:50.09 | Mr_Molez | ohh jeff u r here |
| 00:50.17 | JeffM_ | sort of |
| 00:50.37 | Aardwolf | bzflag is like the only open source multiplayer 3D game, with super easy server access, that's available on my linux |
| 00:50.54 | JeffM_ | then look harder |
| 00:50.57 | JeffM_ | you may want to try cube |
| 00:51.02 | JeffM_ | it's more of a FPS |
| 00:51.05 | JeffM_ | or just the quakes |
| 00:51.06 | brlcad | so practice more, get to a non-sucking ability level :) |
| 00:51.11 | L4m3r | ah, quick question jeff: do you have an API function equivalent for /flag give for 2.1? |
| 00:51.37 | Aardwolf | darn, cube isn't in the package manager |
| 00:51.52 | blast007 | Aardwolf: try google ;) |
| 00:51.57 | JeffM_ | L4m3r, nope |
| 00:52.04 | JeffM_ | Aardwolf, not all things are in a package manager |
| 00:52.07 | L4m3r | Aardwolf: before BZFlag I played Armagetron, not an FPS at all but fun |
| 00:52.26 | Aardwolf | google gives me lots of results about gamecube :D |
| 00:52.31 | blast007 | cube comes as a prebuilt binary, since they have the protocol closed source to prevent cheating |
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| 00:52.37 | Aardwolf | and that great movie :) |
| 00:52.52 | brlcad | http://www.cubeengine.com/ |
| 00:52.58 | JeffM_ | L4m3r, it should be simple to expose it to the API tho |
| 00:53.14 | brlcad | http://sourceforge.net/projects/cube/ |
| 00:53.15 | L4m3r | ok, jeff, I added one such function to my own API, would you like me to refine it and submit the patch? |
| 00:53.34 | JeffM_ | pataches are allways good |
| 00:53.34 | L4m3r | all I had to do was adapt the code from commands.cxx |
| 00:53.44 | Aardwolf | cube_2005_08_29_src.zip must be only part of the source then? |
| 00:53.49 | JeffM_ | yeah that's what all the api functions do |
| 00:54.00 | blast007 | it's the full source, but it won't connect to regular servers |
| 00:54.11 | L4m3r | alright, after some more testing I'll do that |
| 00:54.48 | Aardwolf | nice, only 30MB binary :) |
| 00:55.08 | blast007 | tiny |
| 00:55.46 | Aardwolf | the win32 one is 88MB... |
| 00:55.46 | Aardwolf | that's strange |
| 00:55.46 | Aardwolf | oh never mind, I accidently looked at "downloads" |
| 00:55.58 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:56.12 | L4m3r | I've gotten the impression that win32 is a PITA from a developer standpoint... is this the case? |
| 00:56.13 | blast007 | sorta funny that the unix one was actually 30MB too ;) |
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| 00:57.55 | Aardwolf | wow, it's incredible |
| 00:58.08 | Aardwolf | I unpacked the tar, ran the shell script, and it worked :) |
| 00:58.11 | blast007 | L4m3r: well, I'm quite fond of Visual Studio ;) |
| 00:58.22 | L4m3r | oh, make no mistake, I am too |
| 00:58.24 | Aardwolf | it starts up in less than a second and you're already walking around and shooting :) |
| 00:58.35 | JeffM_ | Aardwolf, we don't really need to know, you can keep your cube stuff to yourself, this channel is about bzflag |
| 00:58.45 | Aardwolf | allright, I'll shut up now |
| 00:59.28 | L4m3r | I'm very glad the UCLA engineering department is has the connection to give students MSVS.NET 2003 for free :D |
| 00:59.47 | JeffM_ | ms cuts them a deal |
| 00:59.50 | JeffM_ | a REALY good deal |
| 00:59.54 | L4m3r | yeah, I know |
| 01:00.08 | JeffM_ | since its good to have students be used to it, then they are more likely to use it |
| 01:00.20 | purple_cow | they're like drug dealers |
| 01:00.26 | L4m3r | basically, they got a computer lab for free in return for using MSVS in intro classes |
| 01:00.29 | trepan | purple_cow: beat me to it :) |
| 01:01.29 | L4m3r | but hey, it beats what my friend at Davis has to use |
| 01:01.47 | L4m3r | he says the CS students have to SSH into some unix box and compile stuff there |
| 01:01.52 | JeffM_ | noone said MS was stupid as a company, if they were they would not be where they are |
| 01:02.01 | JeffM_ | yeah at davis they do |
| 01:02.39 | L4m3r | oh, definitely, MS is much smarter business-wise than Apple, which is why they "won" years ago |
| 01:02.53 | trepan | L4m3r: they have to walk 6 miles through freezing rain to get to the terminal first? |
| 01:03.21 | L4m3r | I think they can do it from their dorms ;) |
| 01:03.24 | L4m3r | :P |
| 01:08.57 | Mr_Molez | JeffM_: are you not identified ? |
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| 01:09.14 | brad2901 | it's an imposter! |
| 01:09.31 | JeffM_ | umm ok |
| 01:09.43 | L4m3r | :o |
| 01:10.00 | brad2901 | ~hug JeffM_ |
| 01:10.17 | ibot | ACTION hugs JeffM_ |
| 01:10.17 | Mr_Molez | uhuh |
| 01:10.17 | brad2901 | here ibot ibot |
| 01:11.38 | Patlabor221 | it's the only mode that makes sense unless you want it to repeat |
| 01:12.49 | trepan | decal can make sense with GL_REPEAT ... |
| 01:13.34 | trepan | and texcoords + face cutting is probably more efficient then GL_DECAL + GL_CLAMP |
| 01:14.04 | trepan | heck, polygonOffset is probably just as good for most cases :) |
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| 09:10.55 | LePoulpe303 | is it possible to play bzflag on 64 bits linux ? |
| 09:13.21 | trepan | yes |
| 09:15.16 | LePoulpe303 | i mean when hypotetically one day may ati adapter will work, of course ;) |
| 09:16.08 | L4m3r | off the top of their head, does anyone know what kind of range I get from std::rand? (and if there's a better way, what is it?) |
| 09:16.12 | trepan | my nvidia card with dual-core AMD and smp-linux runs fine |
| 09:16.42 | LePoulpe303 | trepan: ok then ; shouldn't be a problem (one day) |
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| 16:55.16 | CBG | Anyone got some nice screenies of a LouMan map? |
| 16:57.32 | CBG | Ah, found some: http://www.bzflag.at/index.php?a=landkarten |
| 16:59.11 | trepan | what for? |
| 17:00.03 | CBG | Just to show off to someone :) |
| 17:00.25 | CBG | someone who has their doubts about the supremacy of bzflag :/ |
| 17:02.34 | |zongo| | trepan, is it already possible to have your bullet textures? |
| 17:02.44 | CBG | trepan: what would impress you? |
| 17:02.57 | trepan | |zongo|: bullet textures? |
| 17:03.43 | |zongo| | trepan, the bullets are pretty different in the screenies u showed 1 day |
| 17:04.02 | trepan | |zongo|: the tripod/GM screenie from today uses the normal GM bolt texture "missile", just more of them |
| 17:04.24 | trepan | the rest of the mod'ed shots screenies use the normal textures as well |
| 17:04.31 | |zongo| | ah |
| 17:06.33 | trepan | CBG: i'm afraid that no bz screeny you could provide what be equal to the task ;) |
| 17:07.34 | CBG | trepan: well, I persuaded someone to play at ducati - they complain the game is too basic. I hope that the louman screenies can prove them wrong :) |
| 17:11.36 | trepan | http://www.pcgameworld.com/screenshots/ |
| 17:12.18 | trepan | try the Iron Warriors link first, it's relevant |
| 17:14.20 | CBG | trepan: thats free, online, multiplayer and open-source, etc? |
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| 17:14.52 | trepan | nope, but i never said any of those contributed to my being impressed |
| 17:15.40 | CBG | trepan: heh |
| 17:16.11 | trepan | nice distortion effect: http://www.pcgameworld.com/screenshots/screenshot.php/game/25200/page/1/ |
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| 17:46.59 | CodeImp | hello |
| 17:48.34 | blast007 | hi |
| 17:48.47 | CodeImp | i have some technical questions regarding bzflag, anyone i could talk to? |
| 17:52.37 | trepan | CodeImp: ask your questions, someone might reply |
| 17:54.54 | CodeImp | i am wondering how bzflag, being a completely opensource game, prevents cheating and how it affects the protocols and playability over the internet |
| 17:56.03 | CodeImp | im interested, because id love to make the game i am working on opensource as well, but that could be an invitation for players to cheat easily |
| 17:56.22 | trepan | it doesn't prevent cheating very well, some server side checks are done, but they're weak |
| 17:57.09 | trepan | ex: it trusts the clients to detect and report their own deaths |
| 17:57.51 | blast007 | CodeImp: and really, a game doesn't need to be open-source to allow cheats |
| 17:58.17 | blast007 | you have to find ways to prevent them anyway |
| 17:58.34 | blast007 | because people can always write tools that affect how a game operates |
| 18:00.31 | CodeImp | i know that blast007, but its MUCH easier to develop a cheat when you have the source code |
| 18:00.50 | CodeImp | obscurity is not security, but it certainly helps |
| 18:02.08 | blast007 | what we're hoping to have eventually is a full server-side gamestate |
| 18:02.30 | blast007 | then we can use all that information to determine the norms for a client |
| 18:02.48 | CodeImp | right |
| 18:02.49 | blast007 | and detect if activitiy is outside a certain threshold |
| 18:03.12 | CodeImp | yet, that still would allow a client to construct cheats like wallhacks or autoaim |
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| 18:03.44 | CodeImp | such things cannot be detected by a server, even if the server manages the entire game state |
| 18:03.45 | blast007 | autoaim would be possible to be blocked somewhat as well, since there is a limit to the speed a tank can turn |
| 18:04.17 | CodeImp | ok, but in case you can aim with the mouse as in most FPS games, there is no decent way to tell |
| 18:04.23 | blast007 | right |
| 18:04.55 | blast007 | especially with those gaming mice with the extra sensitivity settings :) |
| 18:05.08 | CodeImp | heh |
| 18:05.43 | CodeImp | anyway, i understand not much checks against cheating are done in this game |
| 18:05.57 | CodeImp | has any cheating been reported in the past? |
| 18:06.03 | blast007 | yes |
| 18:06.22 | CodeImp | and what actions are taken to get rid of it? |
| 18:06.29 | CodeImp | simply ip ban? |
| 18:06.34 | blast007 | pretty much :) |
| 18:06.44 | CodeImp | hmm |
| 18:07.00 | CodeImp | i would rather not even let them get to the point where they can/will cheat :P |
| 18:07.02 | blast007 | we have a masterban system that can apply a single IP ban to all servers that use the masterban list |
| 18:07.20 | trepan | CodeImp: there's always griefers as well as cheaters |
| 18:08.09 | CodeImp | whats a griefer? |
| 18:09.21 | CodeImp | oh google knows :) "a player in an online computer game who deliberately sets out to discomfort other players" |
| 18:09.43 | CodeImp | you mean like spamming the chat, killing teammates, etc? |
| 18:10.35 | CodeImp | those are not much of my concern as cheaters |
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| 18:12.01 | trepan | http://internetgames.about.com/od/glossary/g/griefer.htm |
| 18:14.47 | CodeImp | well thats too bad, i was hoping to find a good solution here |
| 18:15.36 | CodeImp | ill look around some more, i understand its never impossible to cheat, but i hope to make it as hard as possible |
| 18:15.50 | CodeImp | thanks for the help ;) |
| 18:15.56 | blast007 | :) |
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| 18:40.16 | _sussi | hi |
| 18:41.02 | _sussi | can somebody report ek:4 vs. bzb:1 14:00 utc |
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| 18:42.41 | menotume | _sussi: got it |
| 18:42.49 | _sussi | thx |
| 18:44.20 | menotume | np, #bzleague is a better channel to report matches :) |
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| 18:45.25 | menotume | _sussi: better still, you can now enter matches yourself :) |
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| 19:17.58 | bz62 | so this is gonna sound dumb, but where do you sign up for new accounts? |
| 19:18.12 | Mr_Molez | my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 19:19.01 | bz62 | what about the call namme |
| 19:19.12 | Mr_Molez | call name ? |
| 19:19.28 | bz62 | for the game. it asks for a call name and password when you log on |
| 19:19.44 | Mr_Molez | yes that is where you signup for that |
| 19:19.46 | Mr_Molez | my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 19:19.49 | bz62 | ok |
| 19:19.50 | bz62 | thanks |
| 19:19.53 | Mr_Molez | np :) |
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| 19:42.33 | brlcad | heh, griefer.. aka @ssclown |
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| 21:41.52 | TD-Linux | where would I find a good Death Star texture? |
| 21:42.23 | CBG | google? :) |
| 21:43.20 | brlcad | Star Wars DVD |
| 21:43.48 | CBG | heh :D |
| 21:43.52 | ruskie | Lucas Arts |
| 21:47.51 | TD-Linux | I have plenty of Death Star pictures, but I don't know how to make that a texture :( |
| 21:48.08 | TD-Linux | I've got a nice Death Star model going here... |
| 21:48.08 | CBG | Just make the dimensions power of 2 |
| 21:48.14 | CBG | eg: 512 by 256 |
| 21:48.32 | TD-Linux | no... but how would I UVmap it then? |
| 21:48.42 | CBG | pass. |
| 21:48.47 | TD-Linux | and that's only one half... I still need the back half :P |
| 21:48.52 | TD-Linux | hmmm |
| 21:49.13 | TD-Linux | maybe I can find a death star 3d model and steal the textures off it |
| 21:52.54 | TD-Linux | ooh.... reading the license, I can use it for anything I want as long as I include the author's name |
| 22:11.16 | CBG | Hmm, referring back to what TD-Linux just said --> |
| 22:11.28 | CBG | Can he just put the authors name in the bzw file as a comment? |
| 22:11.46 | CBG | Would he need to mention it in the -admsg or -srvmsg too/instead? |
| 22:12.49 | ruskie | my policy is -srv and -admsg to have a note map name and author |
| 22:15.58 | CBG | Ok, I was just wondering what the law might be on it. |
| 22:16.49 | ruskie | I think it mostly depends on what license it's released... |
| 22:17.43 | CBG | I see. |
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| 23:14.19 | BzFire | does anyone have saturos's yahoo/msn or something ? |
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| 23:19.54 | meacan | BzFire: http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?showtopic=11828 |
| 23:20.42 | BzFire | meacan: thanks :) |
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