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| 00:23.57 | JeffM2501 | must..... resist.... making.. bzedit... every...time.. I ...talk... to ...binary_spike... |
| 00:24.18 | JeffM2501 | blender is the path..... |
| 00:24.56 | purple_cow | hehhee |
| 00:25.10 | JeffM2501 | the one true path |
| 00:25.17 | purple_cow | the new stuff looked pretty decent last time i looked |
| 00:25.34 | JeffM2501 | he wasn't going to GPL his editor because he is affraid people will "steal" his code |
| 00:25.38 | JeffM2501 | and not credit him |
| 00:25.52 | JeffM2501 | he's still mad about when I reimplemented one of his patches |
| 00:26.34 | purple_cow | where's his code? |
| 00:27.28 | A_Meteorite | purple_cow: in Subversion, hidden |
| 00:27.50 | JeffM2501 | it's not hidden |
| 00:28.01 | JeffM2501 | it's just not that public :) |
| 00:28.15 | JeffM2501 | he just wants to make sure his ego gets stroked |
| 00:28.22 | JeffM2501 | he'll probably GPL it in the end |
| 00:28.37 | JeffM2501 | if he finishes it |
| 00:28.44 | A_Meteorite | he IMed me not too long ago |
| 00:28.56 | A_Meteorite | I'm gonna finish boxes, and pyramids... and then... |
| 00:28.56 | A_Meteorite | 4:09 PM |
| 00:28.56 | A_Meteorite | TELEPORTERS! |
| 00:28.58 | JeffM2501 | he IM's me like every day |
| 00:29.02 | A_Meteorite | rofl |
| 00:29.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah he's way behind |
| 00:29.20 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: does he understand that GPL means people *won't* be able to steal his code? ;) |
| 00:29.21 | JeffM2501 | the blender thing will do everything his app will do, faster and better |
| 00:29.31 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, I tried to explain that |
| 00:29.38 | JeffM2501 | that they can't mispresent it |
| 00:29.42 | purple_cow | they have to keep his copyright in there |
| 00:30.04 | JeffM2501 | I asked him if he'd get mad and want to prevent somone like me from making enhancments to his editor after it was done |
| 00:30.09 | JeffM2501 | and he said "yes" |
| 00:30.13 | JeffM2501 | he just wants the glory |
| 00:30.39 | JeffM2501 | he he dosnt' do some sort of GPL for it, I can tell you we won't waste forum space and bandwith on a closed project |
| 00:30.40 | A_Meteorite | well, if I made something I would too... I think... |
| 00:30.57 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, then what's the point of opening the source? |
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| 00:31.06 | JeffM2501 | I'm elated when people mod my stuff |
| 00:31.09 | JeffM2501 | it means it's being used |
| 00:31.17 | JeffM2501 | and growing |
| 00:31.21 | A_Meteorite | all quite true |
| 00:31.30 | A_Meteorite | but closed has it's uses |
| 00:31.35 | A_Meteorite | for like company projects |
| 00:31.44 | JeffM2501 | if you want to just put your app out for free for self-mastrabatory reasons, then don't even bother opening it |
| 00:32.17 | JeffM2501 | tho techincaly he's using LGPL items in his code |
| 00:32.22 | JeffM2501 | or I shoudl say project |
| 00:32.28 | JeffM2501 | he's using the art from BZ |
| 00:32.36 | A_Meteorite | wait... doesn't that violate the LGPL? :o |
| 00:32.50 | DTRemenak | not if he's not distributing anything |
| 00:32.54 | JeffM2501 | techincaly he'd have to release the "source" to those parts |
| 00:32.59 | JeffM2501 | if he release |
| 00:33.03 | JeffM2501 | now with images, they are there own source |
| 00:33.28 | JeffM2501 | and he could not misrepresent, or relicense those assets |
| 00:33.36 | A_Meteorite | I see |
| 00:33.45 | JeffM2501 | personaly I don't see him finishing |
| 00:33.57 | JeffM2501 | and if he does it'll be overshadowed by blender in every aspect |
| 00:34.02 | JeffM2501 | it's why I stoped |
| 00:34.20 | JeffM2501 | they are not bad things |
| 00:34.32 | JeffM2501 | LGPL works for most things |
| 00:34.34 | A_Meteorite | I know, I can't understand them though |
| 00:34.42 | JeffM2501 | there are sumarys |
| 00:34.57 | JeffM2501 | realy just have to ask, what you want to do with your assets |
| 00:35.13 | JeffM2501 | have others use them and change them? or just let people look at them |
| 00:35.18 | DTRemenak | they aren't hard to understand, really |
| 00:35.27 | DTRemenak | they have to define all their terms within the license |
| 00:35.55 | JeffM2501 | so DTR, need another server? |
| 00:35.56 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 00:36.02 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 00:36.13 | JeffM2501 | this one is a speedster |
| 00:36.15 | JeffM2501 | 1 gig P3 |
| 00:36.16 | DTRemenak | not really...got one you're trying to get rid of? |
| 00:36.19 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 00:36.33 | JeffM2501 | replaced it with an AMD Geode 1750 |
| 00:36.39 | A_Meteorite | wow, man, I wish I had hardware like that |
| 00:36.41 | DTRemenak | sweet |
| 00:36.48 | DTRemenak | silent? |
| 00:36.49 | JeffM2501 | thing was cheap as hell |
| 00:36.55 | JeffM2501 | it COULD be silent |
| 00:37.00 | JeffM2501 | if they put a better PS in it |
| 00:37.02 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:37.09 | JeffM2501 | I may have to replace the PS |
| 00:37.12 | JeffM2501 | and one drive |
| 00:37.18 | JeffM2501 | the old 120 is noisy |
| 00:37.31 | JeffM2501 | I took the CPU fan off, and it's run fine temp wise |
| 00:37.35 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 00:37.42 | DTRemenak | like a geode needs a cpu fan... |
| 00:37.46 | A_Meteorite | I bet they put that stuff there so it "looks cool" |
| 00:37.49 | A_Meteorite | ;) |
| 00:37.52 | JeffM2501 | they put it on a regular mob |
| 00:38.00 | JeffM2501 | with a regular heatsink/fan |
| 00:38.04 | DTRemenak | what socket are they? 370? |
| 00:38.11 | JeffM2501 | socket a |
| 00:38.18 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 00:38.19 | JeffM2501 | 4soethingsomething |
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| 00:38.22 | DTRemenak | movin' up in the world |
| 00:38.32 | A_Meteorite | you could put a nice Athlon in it |
| 00:38.41 | DTRemenak | then he'd need a cpu fan ;) |
| 00:38.42 | JeffM2501 | tho samba keeps droping out on it :( |
| 00:38.53 | JeffM2501 | oh I have old athalons |
| 00:39.06 | JeffM2501 | yeah I wanted quiet |
| 00:39.10 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 00:39.16 | JeffM2501 | and this thing was 179$ |
| 00:39.21 | JeffM2501 | for the entire system |
| 00:39.25 | A_Meteorite | what do you have a closet full of computers or something? |
| 00:39.29 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:39.32 | JeffM2501 | only 4 |
| 00:39.33 | DTRemenak | A_Meteorite, you don't? |
| 00:39.37 | JeffM2501 | and a laptop |
| 00:39.48 | A_Meteorite | DTR: I wish |
| 00:39.51 | JeffM2501 | the geode is the only one that stays on all night |
| 00:39.55 | JeffM2501 | so it has to be quiet |
| 00:40.41 | JeffM2501 | gotta replace the "great quality" sticker thats on it tho |
| 00:40.58 | JeffM2501 | and on the semperon |
| 00:40.58 | A_Meteorite | LOL |
| 00:41.32 | DTRemenak | heh, shopping at fry's I see... |
| 00:41.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:41.41 | JeffM2501 | it was an impulse buy |
| 00:41.43 | JeffM2501 | both of em |
| 00:41.47 | DTRemenak | same time? |
| 00:41.51 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:41.54 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 00:41.59 | JeffM2501 | the sempy was SUPOSED to replace the old server |
| 00:42.03 | DTRemenak | I was gonna say... |
| 00:42.04 | JeffM2501 | but then I kept using it for other stuff |
| 00:42.08 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 00:42.10 | JeffM2501 | so it became the second PC |
| 00:42.17 | JeffM2501 | then I saw the geode and got it |
| 00:42.27 | JeffM2501 | and a 6200 for the smepy |
| 00:42.45 | JeffM2501 | and the sempy is loud |
| 00:42.50 | DTRemenak | heh, I upgraded to a gf4 last week |
| 00:42.56 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 00:42.58 | JeffM2501 | your uber |
| 00:43.01 | DTRemenak | friend had one that blew a cap |
| 00:43.10 | JeffM2501 | and guess who can replace caps :) |
| 00:43.16 | DTRemenak | exactly :) |
| 00:43.20 | JeffM2501 | heh, I just gave away a 6800GS |
| 00:43.23 | A_Meteorite | omg |
| 00:43.36 | JeffM2501 | and some 6600s |
| 00:43.45 | A_Meteorite | I need to live next door... :o |
| 00:43.56 | DTRemenak | he's probably glad you don't ;) |
| 00:43.59 | JeffM2501 | no, you'd need to work in my office |
| 00:43.59 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 00:44.07 | JeffM2501 | and play WoW |
| 00:44.31 | JeffM2501 | it didn't make sense to keep the cards around not doing anything |
| 00:44.37 | JeffM2501 | when I got the 7800GTX |
| 00:44.39 | A_Meteorite | World of Warcraft... never played before |
| 00:44.45 | DTRemenak | hmm, I don't do WoW...one MMO is enough for me, and GW has the spot |
| 00:44.58 | JeffM2501 | GW was fun |
| 00:45.06 | JeffM2501 | and no monthly was nice |
| 00:45.10 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 00:45.11 | A_Meteorite | BZFlag is the only online game I've ever played and stuck to |
| 00:45.23 | JeffM2501 | we are doing DDO now |
| 00:45.27 | A_Meteorite | (pretty sad, eh?) |
| 00:45.32 | JeffM2501 | yes, yes it is |
| 00:45.37 | JeffM2501 | there are many games in the sea |
| 00:45.44 | DTRemenak | gw pve keeps getting bigger, slowly. pvp is where the action is though. |
| 00:45.48 | A_Meteorite | I can't even remember how I found bz |
| 00:45.59 | JeffM2501 | I kept geting my ass kicked in PvP |
| 00:46.05 | A_Meteorite | I think I was just browsing sf.net with the search term "tank" |
| 00:46.08 | DTRemenak | and factions is comin' out in a couple months |
| 00:46.08 | JeffM2501 | and I didn't like how the world got all ugly after the burning |
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| 00:46.16 | DTRemenak | yeah, the searing is the worst part |
| 00:46.23 | JeffM2501 | it was SO purdy before that |
| 00:46.24 | DTRemenak | once you get over the shiverpeaks it's way cooler |
| 00:46.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's what I heard |
| 00:46.43 | JeffM2501 | but everyone I play with moved on after that |
| 00:46.45 | DTRemenak | the contrast between pre- and post-searing ascalon is sooo painful |
| 00:46.48 | JeffM2501 | so you go where the crowd is |
| 00:47.15 | DTRemenak | I guess :) |
| 00:47.19 | JeffM2501 | well I do |
| 00:47.23 | A_Meteorite | oh, can Blender do 1.x maps only? |
| 00:47.25 | JeffM2501 | since we all use a voice chat |
| 00:47.30 | A_Meteorite | I don't want to fiddle with any 2.x stuff |
| 00:47.36 | DTRemenak | I have a couple friends who still play GW |
| 00:47.40 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, the blender plugin should do it all |
| 00:47.45 | JeffM2501 | 1.0 is a subset of 2.0 |
| 00:47.53 | A_Meteorite | ahh |
| 00:48.03 | A_Meteorite | well, now I got to find that plugin... :) |
| 00:48.04 | DTRemenak | and yeah, for pvp especially voice is necessary |
| 00:48.16 | JeffM2501 | for any game now I find voice required |
| 00:48.18 | A_Meteorite | the Wings3D didn't work for me, it crashed |
| 00:48.26 | JeffM2501 | wings only does meshes |
| 00:48.30 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 00:48.38 | JeffM2501 | the bender plugin is a full maping implementation |
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| 00:48.49 | DTRemenak | I type fast enough that for most games I don't need voice, but my friends do :) |
| 00:48.50 | A_Meteorite | do you have a quick link? |
| 00:49.03 | JeffM2501 | my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
| 00:49.08 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 00:49.10 | A_Meteorite | lol, thought so ;) |
| 00:49.16 | JeffM2501 | then why ask :) |
| 00:49.19 | A_Meteorite | search.php |
| 00:49.28 | JeffM2501 | I think positional voice chat in bz would be great |
| 00:49.43 | JeffM2501 | actualy you should not have to search |
| 00:49.43 | A_Meteorite | me two |
| 00:49.46 | A_Meteorite | *too |
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| 00:50.24 | JeffM2501 | and bzflag needs /dance |
| 00:50.33 | JeffM2501 | all games need /dance and /train |
| 00:50.37 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 00:50.45 | JeffM2501 | and maybe /flirt |
| 00:50.50 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.01 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/relief.jpg , hits the fps a bit |
| 00:51.05 | JeffM2501 | make the tank turn into a robot, dance, then turn back |
| 00:51.24 | JeffM2501 | nice looking shot trepan :) |
| 00:51.26 | trepan | note the occlusions |
| 00:51.27 | DTRemenak | I can see how that might, trepan :) |
| 00:51.53 | DTRemenak | nice-looking bumps though |
| 00:51.55 | JeffM2501 | my pooor little shot effect is dwarfed by your shader mojo :) |
| 00:52.14 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 00:52.19 | trepan | 'bout 50fps for that one iirc, it's easily configured for different search lengths |
| 00:52.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure he'll shaderify them too |
| 00:52.48 | trepan | JeffM2501: the lengthened shots are just more billboards, additive blending |
| 00:52.52 | trepan | no mojo |
| 00:52.54 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:53.03 | JeffM2501 | ok, GL mojo |
| 00:53.10 | JeffM2501 | or general mojo |
| 00:53.20 | A_Meteorite | wow, if I had only known the plugin existed |
| 00:53.27 | A_Meteorite | I would of been mapping more a long time ago |
| 00:53.30 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, helps to read the fourms |
| 00:53.50 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/oldshade.jpg , shaders for old junk |
| 00:54.02 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 00:54.55 | trepan | dunno if I really want to keep that, i'd rather see fewer bzedit crap maps |
| 00:55.17 | JeffM2501 | as would the rest of the world I think |
| 00:55.29 | trepan | no offense to the editor, but box and pyr worlds are junk |
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| 00:56.00 | trepan | esp. with the overlapping, i've got the depth complexity mode setup (with the pre-Z) so that is highlights overlapping |
| 00:57.47 | JeffM2501 | change the map format in 2.2, make it not read old ones, and take out the box prims :) |
| 00:58.16 | JeffM2501 | provide a converter that only converts mesh based objects :) |
| 00:58.19 | I_Died_Once | so when is a decent 2.1 going to be ready ? |
| 00:58.26 | A_Meteorite | yeah! |
| 00:58.27 | DTRemenak | define decent |
| 00:58.43 | JeffM2501 | it runs now |
| 00:58.44 | I_Died_Once | working and functional? |
| 00:58.57 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it's ever NOT run |
| 00:59.34 | A_Meteorite | I tried it about two months ago |
| 00:59.34 | I_Died_Once | Since we got a big pipe connection at MoFo, I was considering uploading and running a 2.1 server |
| 00:59.42 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 00:59.48 | A_Meteorite | for testing |
| 00:59.50 | A_Meteorite | :) |
| 00:59.50 | I_Died_Once | testing? |
| 00:59.52 | JeffM2501 | it's not got much difrent then 2.0 |
| 00:59.55 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 01:00.04 | I_Died_Once | what dies it have different? |
| 01:00.04 | JeffM2501 | there arn't any binarys for it |
| 01:00.15 | JeffM2501 | plugins can set the score |
| 01:00.23 | I_Died_Once | yay |
| 01:00.27 | JeffM2501 | and some error messages were changed |
| 01:00.30 | I_Died_Once | got a plugin written that actually does that? |
| 01:00.34 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 01:00.38 | I_Died_Once | ... |
| 01:00.44 | JeffM2501 | and that may be about it |
| 01:00.47 | JeffM2501 | that a user would see |
| 01:00.59 | A_Meteorite | any cool back-end stuff? |
| 01:01.09 | JeffM2501 | stuff got shuffled around |
| 01:01.18 | JeffM2501 | I know I made a couple new files |
| 01:01.20 | I_Died_Once | How about stuff like, instaed of frogs, adding cats & dogs? |
| 01:01.25 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 01:01.31 | trepan | I_Died_Once: you can already change those |
| 01:01.39 | I_Died_Once | slanted rain.... |
| 01:01.53 | JeffM2501 | a lot of that is in bzdb allready |
| 01:02.17 | I_Died_Once | I'm tempted to say rotating turrents |
| 01:02.17 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/slantrain.jpg |
| 01:02.43 | A_Meteorite | how do we do slanted rain? |
| 01:02.49 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:03.15 | DTRemenak | trepan is the man :) |
| 01:03.21 | DTRemenak | just so everyone knows |
| 01:03.25 | JeffM2501 | he is |
| 01:03.27 | trepan | that's old stuff, point sprite rain is the new juice ;) |
| 01:03.27 | A_Meteorite | what's the variable? c'mon! |
| 01:03.48 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/varied_fountain.jpg |
| 01:03.54 | DTRemenak | trepan, so when are ya gonna check in all this fancy stuff? :) |
| 01:04.03 | trepan | DTRemenak: when it's done =) |
| 01:04.06 | DTRemenak | whee, particles |
| 01:04.12 | DTRemenak | trepan, hehe :) |
| 01:04.14 | trepan | i have 3 things left to do |
| 01:04.21 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, not many real features have been put into 2.1, there isn't realy a "goal" for it |
| 01:04.24 | A_Meteorite | omg. that is awesome. |
| 01:04.34 | JeffM2501 | so just spouting off things you wish for dosn't make them in it |
| 01:04.43 | DTRemenak | 3 things, that's what, another hundred thousand lines of code? ;) |
| 01:04.59 | trepan | tie in the AdvancedMaterial (tiered), rewire all the static sceneNodes to derived their gstates from BzMaterials, and tie the shaders and lighting together |
| 01:05.16 | trepan | DTRemenak: it's already a 750K patch + new files |
| 01:05.27 | DTRemenak | sweet |
| 01:05.35 | JeffM2501 | why not just commit it if you go thru the trouble of making a patch |
| 01:05.49 | trepan | i always make patches as backups |
| 01:05.53 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 01:06.14 | trepan | (and to find the silly crap that sneaks in) |
| 01:06.15 | JeffM2501 | poor old rain system |
| 01:06.20 | JeffM2501 | I so see the flaws in it now |
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| 01:06.39 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 01:06.45 | DTRemenak | you didn't when you wrote it? |
| 01:06.50 | JeffM2501 | I never do |
| 01:06.57 | YOURDEAD | nhi jeff! |
| 01:07.00 | YOURDEAD | hi* |
| 01:07.02 | JeffM2501 | I only wrote it to piss somone off |
| 01:07.04 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 01:07.05 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 01:07.10 | trepan | DTRemenak: the shaders currently run with a fixed set of lights, and using uniforms to change the light count doesn't seem to help the GPU grindage |
| 01:07.30 | trepan | so i've got to set it up to generate shaders based on the current required lights |
| 01:07.40 | DTRemenak | generates them as it goes? |
| 01:07.51 | trepan | yup, but keeps them cached |
| 01:08.11 | DTRemenak | ah, cool. what's that do cpu- and memory-wise? |
| 01:08.18 | trepan | shaders are small |
| 01:08.42 | DTRemenak | how many of them are there typically? |
| 01:08.55 | DTRemenak | how many of them are there typically? |
| 01:08.58 | DTRemenak | erg |
| 01:09.12 | DTRemenak | erased my other question by hitting up :( |
| 01:09.17 | trepan | most materials can probably use the same shader, i plan on defaulting to RGBS + normal map for the opaques |
| 01:09.41 | trepan | the actual normal mapping will be defined by the user defined shaderLevel |
| 01:09.53 | trepan | bump, parallax, occlusion, relief ... |
| 01:09.55 | DTRemenak | ah, cool |
| 01:10.08 | trepan | the LOD'ed drawInfos can also use diff materials for diff dists |
| 01:10.34 | DTRemenak | even cooler |
| 01:10.48 | trepan | the flags are now LOD'ed nicely too, up to 512 quads a piece (for specular highlighting), and it still runs quite a bit faster (unnoticeable transitions) |
| 01:12.05 | trepan | discovered that a binary interleave index pattern can be used both for rendering indices and for reverse lookup, it's a tight piece of code :) |
| 01:12.34 | DTRemenak | cool :) |
| 01:12.53 | DTRemenak | do you think can that be applied anywhere else? |
| 01:12.58 | trepan | although, the 512 wouldn't be required if I slapped a shader on it |
| 01:13.09 | trepan | (could do the vertex xforms too) |
| 01:13.41 | trepan | anywhere where there's a quad strip, both the flags are the only thing I can think of that would benefit from it easily |
| 01:13.43 | DTRemenak | s/can that/that can/ |
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| 01:14.29 | trepan | it sends the vertex data so that the used elements always go first |
| 01:15.04 | A_Meteorite | argh, I can't figure out how to install the Blender plugin for Mac :( |
| 01:15.52 | trepan | plus, i removed the current Wave class (with its rep'ing), for a much simpler FlagPhase class, that only recomputes the flag phase to the max LOD that is required (or not at all) |
| 01:16.27 | trepan | handy because of all the crossprods required for the normal generation |
| 01:16.57 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 01:20.00 | trepan | it being called bzFLAG, they really shouldn't look like ass ;) |
| 01:20.22 | purple_cow | trepan: i want wind & cloth simulation |
| 01:20.34 | purple_cow | dependent on weather effects :) |
| 01:20.47 | trepan | there's a bzWind uniform that can be used |
| 01:20.55 | DTRemenak | if he's done slanting rain, he's probably also made the flags flow in the wind |
| 01:21.05 | trepan | would want dedicated vertex textures to do it right |
| 01:21.16 | trepan | DTRemenak: the flag already do that, iirc |
| 01:21.21 | trepan | (enhanced qual) |
| 01:21.23 | purple_cow | also, snow and water accumulation |
| 01:21.24 | JeffM2501 | how much video ram are you using now? |
| 01:21.38 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/varied_fountain.jpg (the slant is from bzWind) |
| 01:21.40 | DTRemenak | purple_cow, now that's just greedy |
| 01:21.46 | purple_cow | :) |
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| 01:22.03 | trepan | JeffM2501: dunno, i've been using 2048x2048 texture sets though |
| 01:22.30 | JeffM2501 | as long as it fits in 256megs |
| 01:22.38 | JeffM2501 | won't get 512 till nvidia ships new cards |
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| 01:23.06 | purple_cow | 256 is a lot |
| 01:23.14 | JeffM2501 | not when you play EQ2 |
| 01:23.15 | DTRemenak | might have to change our 12-mb requirement on windows though ;) |
| 01:23.28 | SportChick | orchid: ping |
| 01:23.29 | trepan | 2048x2048 x 2 (rgbs & norm) x 4floats x 4bytes x 4 sets |
| 01:24.19 | trepan | 536M |
| 01:24.30 | A_Meteorite | woah.. |
| 01:24.52 | JeffM2501 | see :) |
| 01:24.57 | purple_cow | why are you using floats? |
| 01:25.14 | trepan | oops, divide by 4 ;) |
| 01:25.20 | trepan | was playing with it earlier |
| 01:25.25 | trepan | HDR stuff |
| 01:25.29 | purple_cow | :) |
| 01:25.33 | purple_cow | even for HDR, half works fine |
| 01:25.36 | A_Meteorite | still too high |
| 01:25.43 | purple_cow | i think opengl does half |
| 01:25.45 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, upgrade or die |
| 01:25.49 | purple_cow | also, 2048 is huge |
| 01:25.50 | trepan | glsl doesn't, cg does |
| 01:25.57 | A_Meteorite | I think most people are stuck with 32-64MB |
| 01:26.02 | purple_cow | huh |
| 01:26.13 | purple_cow | the ARB stuff must support it then |
| 01:26.13 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, only in this game because we keep the requirements low |
| 01:26.22 | trepan | maxTextureSize will rescale as requested |
| 01:26.24 | purple_cow | by which i mean vertex_program and fragment_program |
| 01:26.30 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, most of the rest of the gameplaying world has a 128 meg card |
| 01:26.30 | A_Meteorite | JeffM2501: can't upgrade an iMac's video that easily ;) |
| 01:26.38 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, get a real computer |
| 01:26.41 | A_Meteorite | I have a 128meg card too |
| 01:26.51 | A_Meteorite | Radeon 9600 128MB, runs fine |
| 01:27.01 | JeffM2501 | not for treapans stuff |
| 01:27.14 | A_Meteorite | heh |
| 01:27.19 | A_Meteorite | probably not |
| 01:27.22 | JeffM2501 | ATI has so many problems on the 9x00 series |
| 01:27.24 | trepan | ya don't really need the 2048x2048 ... |
| 01:27.34 | A_Meteorite | yeah, that's sorta high... |
| 01:27.41 | A_Meteorite | 1440x900 for me |
| 01:27.45 | JeffM2501 | "sure we'll do a display list for ya..... BLEAAAAAAHHHH" |
| 01:27.50 | trepan | A_Meteorite: wake up |
| 01:27.57 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, he's talking about a texture size |
| 01:27.59 | purple_cow | and it does grow quadratically ;) |
| 01:28.00 | JeffM2501 | NOT screen res |
| 01:28.03 | A_Meteorite | oh |
| 01:28.05 | A_Meteorite | sorry |
| 01:28.10 | trepan | purple_cow: but it does look so purdy |
| 01:28.10 | JeffM2501 | who would have a square screen? |
| 01:28.18 | A_Meteorite | lol |
| 01:28.23 | A_Meteorite | that would be sorta weird |
| 01:28.27 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah |
| 01:28.52 | JeffM2501 | at least you didn't get what they put in the new mac mini |
| 01:28.52 | purple_cow | trepan: multitexture to the rescue |
| 01:29.02 | purple_cow | separate out the high and low frequencies |
| 01:29.04 | A_Meteorite | haha |
| 01:29.06 | trepan | got it, but it just ain't the same thang |
| 01:29.08 | A_Meteorite | I know integrated |
| 01:29.22 | JeffM2501 | that machine is going to kill apple |
| 01:29.44 | trepan | purple_cow: haven't tried tex blending for normal maps yet, should be cool |
| 01:29.51 | A_Meteorite | well, I saw some benchmarks on that and the GMA950 beats the Radeon 9200 |
| 01:30.01 | A_Meteorite | beats me why |
| 01:30.07 | SportChick | brlcad: can you restart bzg's server? |
| 01:30.11 | SportChick | brlcad: it crashed |
| 01:30.12 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, only becuse teh CPU does most of it |
| 01:30.23 | JeffM2501 | if the CPU is doing OTHER things it's slower |
| 01:30.33 | A_Meteorite | yuck, that explains why :) |
| 01:30.34 | JeffM2501 | it does shaders on the CPU |
| 01:30.34 | brlcad | SportChick: hmm.. it's not crashed |
| 01:30.39 | JeffM2501 | makes double EWW |
| 01:30.42 | SportChick | brlcad: no one can connect |
| 01:30.53 | SportChick | oh, nm |
| 01:30.54 | SportChick | it's back up |
| 01:32.24 | JeffM2501 | mehh.. I'll fix the complier tomrow |
| 01:33.51 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/ (4 files in 4 dirs): class to manage the sending of world data to a client |
| 01:34.53 | trepan | anyone have a problem with replacing the "boxTopTexture" type stuff with materials loaded from files? (ex: box.mat, bases.mat, pyramid.mat) |
| 01:35.13 | JeffM2501 | as long as it works |
| 01:35.18 | JeffM2501 | noone should care |
| 01:35.19 | trepan | heh, done |
| 01:35.35 | JeffM2501 | the people who make "skin packs" may have probs with them |
| 01:35.43 | JeffM2501 | but they should be using map features to change the textures anyway |
| 01:35.55 | trepan | i'll just make sure that blending is turned off, to avoid the cheats |
| 01:36.35 | trepan | although frag shader "discard" wouldn't be good |
| 01:37.01 | JeffM2501 | there are so many ways to do a see thru geo cheat |
| 01:39.01 | trepan | it's nice to block them for unmod'ed code; shaderless should be fairly safe with alphathresh and blending disabled |
| 01:39.12 | trepan | unless i'm forgetting something |
| 01:39.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah, doing the easyones is fine |
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| 02:06.56 | CIA-3 | opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/ (7 files in 4 dirs): pack and send basic world info to the client when it asks for it. |
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| 03:56.52 | trepan | even flat per-pixel lighting looks bad after you've gotten used to normal mapped |
| 03:59.13 | brlcad | :) |
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| 04:52.10 | JeffM2501 | trepan, nice post to binarys :) |
| 04:56.43 | trepan | yeah, his pic is all but useless (and damned ugly) |
| 04:58.37 | trepan | http://www.monitorstudios.com/bcloward/textures_extra.html |
| 04:58.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah his |
| 04:59.02 | JeffM2501 | is |
| 04:59.11 | JeffM2501 | have to check it for corectness too |
| 04:59.19 | JeffM2501 | wonder if he pulled the code from my bzedit |
| 04:59.25 | trepan | should email the guy to ask about the license |
| 05:00.12 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: i wouldn't be surprised |
| 05:00.17 | JeffM2501 | nor would I |
| 05:00.38 | JeffM2501 | my new one was accurate to bz down to the TC cords |
| 05:01.07 | trepan | the pyramids txcds sucks, they're skewed along the edge |
| 05:01.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah they are |
| 05:01.19 | JeffM2501 | that one pissed me off |
| 05:01.32 | trepan | (i prefer my OBJ exported version, stays parallel iirc :) |
| 05:01.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:01.59 | trepan | i'll probably change it to match the OBJ version |
| 05:02.04 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 05:02.15 | JeffM2501 | or just remove them :) |
| 05:02.20 | trepan | as the tangent and binormal are a little better that way |
| 05:05.00 | trepan | can't remove for 2.0.6 =) (and it'd be a pity to lose the new gfx on most maps by removing the tan/binorm) |
| 05:58.00 | trepan | JeffM2501: pyr txcd axes are now orthogonal (used u = [s + (t * 0.5f)], assumes isosceles) |
| 05:58.14 | JeffM2501 | cool |
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| 07:56.09 | ajh60 | hi |
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| 08:19.17 | LePoulpe303 | Teppic: ping ? |
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| 09:58.27 | Mr_Molez | LePoulpe303: hey ! :) |
| 10:16.06 | LePoulpe303 | hey Mr_Molez ! :) |
| 10:16.30 | Mr_Molez | long time !!! hows your bzmanager project going ? |
| 10:17.20 | LePoulpe303 | hmmm not much improvement atm 'cause my home pc motherboard died ; so i'm installing ubuntu and all the crap again .... |
| 10:17.52 | LePoulpe303 | and of course my ati card is not recognized, so no 3d , etc etc etc |
| 10:19.07 | Mr_Molez | oh my lol. ubuntu is a pain at best :P |
| 10:20.06 | Mr_Molez | did you manage a stable release ? |
| 10:20.31 | LePoulpe303 | yes in theory last version is rather stable |
| 10:20.36 | LePoulpe303 | notice the theory word |
| 10:20.41 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 10:21.12 | LePoulpe303 | get it there if u want http://bzmanager.blogspot.com/ |
| 10:22.04 | Mr_Molez | bzflag 2.0.5 or higher installed |
| 10:22.09 | Mr_Molez | it works with bzflag now ? |
| 10:22.42 | LePoulpe303 | it should |
| 10:24.41 | Pommes | hm - whatfor do you need more than one bz-profile? (just wondering) |
| 10:25.48 | Mr_Molez | I was never really bothered with the switching profile side of the program I liked the feature of it telling you when one of your friends has come on line and it showing what server they're at :P |
| 10:26.19 | LePoulpe303 | Pommes: for example : i love to have fullscreen 3d with transparent radar on 40 % of screen on gu ; but i prefer opaque 40% radar on Ducati |
| 10:26.45 | Pommes | ah - yes! you're right! I have the same! |
| 10:26.50 | Pommes | :) |
| 10:26.51 | LePoulpe303 | i'm a bad player on each server, so it doesn't matter so mutch |
| 10:26.57 | Pommes | lol |
| 10:27.00 | Pommes | nme too |
| 10:27.13 | Pommes | but i use 100% on both :) |
| 10:28.09 | LePoulpe303 | 100 % |
| 10:28.12 | LePoulpe303 | uch |
| 10:28.15 | LePoulpe303 | never tried |
| 10:28.21 | LePoulpe303 | is it really playable ? |
| 10:28.29 | Pommes | the bigger the better (you'see more details) |
| 10:28.56 | LePoulpe303 | hmm should try that |
| 10:29.20 | Mr_Molez | ive always used 100% opacity :P |
| 10:29.24 | Pommes | and my biggest wish is, that the zoom-factor is chosen automatically |
| 10:29.54 | LePoulpe303 | autoamtically ? |
| 10:29.58 | Pommes | it should always choose the highest zoom-factor but with at least the next nearest tank on it :-) |
| 10:30.09 | LePoulpe303 | oh ok |
| 10:30.13 | LePoulpe303 | not good for match |
| 10:30.33 | LePoulpe303 | sometimes you need to know what's going on on the other side of the map |
| 10:30.55 | Pommes | yes - I don't have a good idea for solving that problem |
| 10:31.15 | LePoulpe303 | autozoom on/off |
| 10:31.23 | Pommes | probably the problem is that I don't react fast enough and try to blame the radar |
| 10:31.34 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 10:31.52 | LePoulpe303 | someone must be guilty |
| 10:32.17 | Pommes | It's always a matter of insufficient equipment. |
| 10:32.29 | Pommes | I could for sure play much better with a better computer ;-)) |
| 10:33.20 | LePoulpe303 | and a better mouse |
| 10:33.31 | LePoulpe303 | and a more comfortable chair |
| 10:33.35 | Pommes | I use keys so I can't blame the mouse ... |
| 10:33.43 | Pommes | I play on the sofa ;-) |
| 10:33.50 | Mr_Molez | heh |
| 10:35.15 | Pommes | I lately fiddled around with some perlscripts to give me info about who's online and where |
| 10:37.40 | LePoulpe303 | cannot help u for perl |
| 10:38.15 | Pommes | can't help you with python ;-) |
| 10:38.46 | Pommes | I find perl cooler :) |
| 10:39.30 | ToughShooter | eeek, Perl :x |
| 10:39.38 | Pommes | lol |
| 10:40.09 | ToughShooter | It doesn't matter which language I use, they are just tools except Perl :/ |
| 10:40.47 | LePoulpe303 | btw anyone knows a free cvs client for linux (except tkCVS) |
| 10:42.04 | Mr_Molez | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.46 | Mr_Molez | ohhh tkcvs is gui frontend ? u want a different frontend ? |
| 10:43.21 | LePoulpe303 | yeah |
| 10:43.37 | Mr_Molez | http://www.lincvs.com |
| 10:43.42 | LePoulpe303 | tkCVS is almost the most ugly software i've ever used |
| 10:43.45 | Mr_Molez | http://www.lincvs.com |
| 10:43.49 | Mr_Molez | oops |
| 10:43.51 | LePoulpe303 | and is not practical (for me) |
| 10:43.56 | Mr_Molez | http://www.jcvs.org/ |
| 10:44.24 | LePoulpe303 | licvs seems ok |
| 10:45.26 | LePoulpe303 | i saw jcvs but there are no screenshots |
| 10:46.55 | LePoulpe303 | definitely lincvs seems great Mr_Molez |
| 11:23.18 | Mr_Molez | yay finally |
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| 13:26.35 | Mr_Molez | fine dont work :P |
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| 18:31.10 | setuid | What would cause my lag to show up as a massive negative value? (-2434786448) |
| 18:31.31 | setuid | And why can I be killed, but my bullets go through everyone? My lag is fine, no warnings or other issues, other than /lagstats showing a massive negative lag |
| 18:31.33 | Carnage | that would be cool |
| 18:31.54 | JeffM2501 | are you on a linux system using an AMD64 CPU? |
| 18:31.55 | Carnage | is ur lag the only negative value? |
| 18:31.58 | setuid | Yep |
| 18:32.07 | setuid | JeffM2501: Nope, Intel PentiumM |
| 18:32.16 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 18:32.19 | setuid | Linux |
| 18:32.19 | Mr_Molez | debian bug :) |
| 18:32.24 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 18:32.26 | JeffM2501 | I'd build your own |
| 18:32.33 | JeffM2501 | some of the packages were wiered |
| 18:32.46 | JeffM2501 | asuming you used a package |
| 18:32.48 | SportyGal | hi carnage :) |
| 18:33.47 | Carnage | ey |
| 18:33.52 | Carnage | hey* |
| 18:38.48 | setuid | bleh |
| 18:39.02 | setuid | wants automake > 1.4, but configure.ac requires < 1.5 |
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| 18:41.16 | JeffM2501 | did you get CVS head or v2_0branch? |
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| 18:43.55 | SportyGal | meacan: hi :) |
| 18:45.17 | setuid | JeffM2501: HEAD, should I grab 2_0? |
| 18:45.19 | |zongo| | hey all, whats the password to do a anonymous CVS? |
| 18:45.24 | setuid | |zongo|: enter |
| 18:45.29 | JeffM2501 | setuid, ues |
| 18:45.32 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:45.35 | JeffM2501 | head is 2.1 |
| 18:45.40 | setuid | sigh |
| 18:45.41 | setuid | config.status: error: cannot find input file: BZFlag.xcode/Makefile.in |
| 18:45.42 | JeffM2501 | and not compatable with the current runing servers |
| 18:45.48 | |zongo| | setuid, i have to type enter or what? |
| 18:45.48 | setuid | Should detect that I"m not using XCode |
| 18:45.53 | setuid | |zongo|: hit enter |
| 18:46.01 | JeffM2501 | the head stuff is in ACTIVE dev |
| 18:46.02 | |zongo| | i did it, it refused... |
| 18:46.18 | meacan | hey Sporty |
| 18:46.25 | JeffM2501 | you want 2.0 it shoudl build for you |
| 18:46.31 | JeffM2501 | the head build system is changing |
| 18:46.33 | setuid | |zongo|: Seems cvs is down, was up 6 minutes ago though |
| 18:46.44 | |zongo| | ah ok, thx setuid |
| 18:47.03 | SportyGal | meacan: how's suavegirl? :) |
| 18:47.49 | setuid | |zongo|: seems to be up now |
| 18:49.04 | |zongo| | ok, i try |
| 18:49.13 | meacan | SportyGal: pretty lazy - She is lying on the sofa with a sleeping quilt :) |
| 18:50.18 | setuid | JeffM2501: trying now.. |
| 18:50.34 | JeffM2501 | hope it works out for you |
| 18:50.38 | SportyGal | meacan: hehe, tell her to practice bz! :) |
| 18:50.49 | JeffM2501 | the probs you describe sound like problems others have had with bad builds from packages |
| 18:51.05 | JeffM2501 | your packets aren't being packed and unpacked right |
| 18:54.52 | meacan | SportyGal: judging on her face, she is pretty comfortable where she is :) |
| 18:56.01 | setuid | JeffM2501: Looks like that branch's build is broken too, let me see if I can fix it |
| 18:56.20 | JeffM2501 | it should not be |
| 18:56.25 | JeffM2501 | people built that every day |
| 18:56.30 | JeffM2501 | what distro you on? |
| 18:56.33 | Mr_Molez | i compiled 2_0 5 mins ago seems to work for me |
| 18:57.07 | setuid | JeffM2501: Debian/Ubuntu hybrid Breezy/Dapper |
| 18:57.25 | JeffM2501 | well if your on some wacky hybrid, then it may be your build setup :) |
| 18:57.31 | JeffM2501 | I know it works fine for most people |
| 18:57.32 | setuid | Seems to think it wants automake 1.4, but complains when it finds it, but then complains that it requires it |
| 18:57.45 | JeffM2501 | tupone is the automake master |
| 18:57.52 | JeffM2501 | I just hit F7 |
| 18:58.03 | Mr_Molez | i think you need to remove the older automake. Not sure though |
| 18:58.12 | JeffM2501 | I have heard that as well |
| 19:00.34 | setuid | deleting configure.ac, re-running autogen.sh fixed it... but configure.ac is in the upstream cvs |
| 19:00.36 | setuid | wacky |
| 19:00.41 | setuid | That should be configure.am, btw. |
| 19:02.07 | setuid | $ ./configure --prefix=/usr |
| 19:02.07 | setuid | BZFlag-2.0.5.20060309 |
| 19:02.08 | setuid | configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh misc/config.sub |
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| 19:14.54 | gsnedders | :\ |
| 19:15.03 | gsnedders | over 50% of deaths being spawn kills is not good. |
| 19:18.20 | orange | why don't you write up an algorithm for better spawning? |
| 19:18.45 | orange | even if it is just a good strong description |
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| 19:24.41 | setuid | hrm, where does misc/config.sub come from, and why isn't autoconf creating it |
| 19:25.25 | setuid | Sourceforge's cvs is really flaky these past couple of years |
| 19:25.33 | JeffM2501 | indeed |
| 19:25.54 | gsnedders | what speed is tank speed messured in? |
| 19:25.56 | setuid | Yep, the build system is definiteloy broken |
| 19:26.03 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, units |
| 19:26.07 | trepan | m/s |
| 19:26.13 | gsnedders | units per second? |
| 19:26.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:26.19 | setuid | http://rafb.net/paste/results/X23F2111.html |
| 19:26.37 | trepan | meters, gravity is -9.8, it's meters, deal with it you imperial swine ;) |
| 19:26.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah a unit is a meter |
| 19:26.51 | JeffM2501 | or there bouts |
| 19:26.54 | orange | trepan: lol |
| 19:27.01 | JeffM2501 | tanks are allmost sized right for meteres |
| 19:27.22 | trepan | it's just the textures and most everything else that's out of whack |
| 19:28.54 | gsnedders | mm... 25 units per second seems a bit high |
| 19:29.01 | bryjen | if tanks can just almost 20 meters high, why not? |
| 19:29.08 | JeffM2501 | I did a comparison of te model in meteres to a real tank brlcad had |
| 19:29.11 | JeffM2501 | it was a little small |
| 19:29.18 | JeffM2501 | but close |
| 19:29.22 | setuid | This _used to_ build fine several months ago |
| 19:29.34 | JeffM2501 | setuid, it builds fine for many people NOW |
| 19:29.35 | trepan | ~25 * 3.6 |
| 19:29.36 | ibot | 90 |
| 19:30.08 | setuid | JeffM2501: It can't possibly build fine, the config itself is broken. Tools versions are fine, its just looking for files which simply don't exist, and autoconfiscation isn't creating them. |
| 19:30.12 | trepan | ~90 * 0.62137119 |
| 19:30.13 | ibot | 55.9234071 |
| 19:30.18 | trepan | gsnedders: and that's your MPH |
| 19:30.28 | JeffM2501 | setuid, I know for a fact that it works for others. |
| 19:30.43 | JeffM2501 | trepan, when was the last time you built? |
| 19:30.44 | setuid | JeffM2501: Sure, if they've gone through the same post-checkout fixes that I'm going through |
| 19:30.51 | trepan | 30 secs ago |
| 19:31.05 | JeffM2501 | and did you have to manualy fix anything in the config? |
| 19:31.07 | trepan | but my source ain't the norm at the moment |
| 19:31.16 | trepan | and I haven't have to ./configure in a long time |
| 19:31.21 | trepan | s/ahve/had |
| 19:31.23 | trepan | heh |
| 19:31.31 | JeffM2501 | well I don't think it's changed |
| 19:32.03 | setuid | here's the breakage |
| 19:32.13 | setuid | http://rafb.net/paste/results/BmgMK155.html |
| 19:32.24 | gsnedders | hmm |
| 19:32.31 | gsnedders | i always think units are smaller :P |
| 19:32.37 | gsnedders | bigger, rather |
| 19:32.48 | JeffM2501 | a tank is only 1.6ish tall |
| 19:32.57 | JeffM2501 | or something like that |
| 19:33.04 | trepan | 2.05 iirc, muzzle is 1.57 |
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| 19:33.29 | JeffM2501 | so not even 6 feet |
| 19:34.07 | trepan | ~2.05 / 0.3048 |
| 19:34.08 | ibot | 6.725721784777 |
| 19:34.21 | setuid | JeffM2501: clean checkout, sh ./autogen.sh, ./configure... let's start there: |
| 19:34.45 | trepan | need little dudes on the field to give perspective, and to crush |
| 19:35.13 | JeffM2501 | I made an image once with a girl model and the tank |
| 19:35.28 | trepan | i remember, twas nice (but the dims were off iirc) |
| 19:35.49 | JeffM2501 | I made her 5 foot 6, tall and then tanks in meteres |
| 19:35.53 | JeffM2501 | figured that was accurate |
| 19:35.58 | JeffM2501 | or close enough |
| 19:36.03 | setuid | http://rafb.net/paste/results/uyZE3632.html |
| 19:36.05 | setuid | That's after autogen |
| 19:36.16 | trepan | there was something in the conversion that was whacky, still have the pick? |
| 19:36.29 | JeffM2501 | not sure |
| 19:36.48 | setuid | Running autogen.sh a second time, no errors |
| 19:37.02 | setuid | Now running configure gives me: |
| 19:37.03 | setuid | configure: error: cannot run /bin/sh misc/config.sub |
| 19:37.09 | setuid | So the config is clearly fucked up somewhere |
| 19:37.14 | setuid | I'll figure it out |
| 19:37.21 | JeffM2501 | 1) please watch your language |
| 19:37.28 | JeffM2501 | 2) I am not a master of autotools |
| 19:37.32 | JeffM2501 | I just know people have been building |
| 19:37.34 | setuid | hehe, I am... to some degree. |
| 19:37.44 | JeffM2501 | tupone or brlcad would know more |
| 19:39.30 | JeffM2501 | I can try on my debian system but it will take some time |
| 19:40.02 | setuid | Just a moment |
| 19:41.56 | setuid | bleh |
| 19:41.56 | setuid | configure.ac:31: required file `include/config.h.in' not found |
| 19:42.06 | setuid | Solved the version mismatch, now there are missing files in cvs |
| 19:42.17 | Tupone | none is missing |
| 19:42.36 | JeffM2501 | and the master returns :) |
| 19:42.38 | setuid | hahahah |
| 19:42.39 | Tupone | you are too fast to make conclusion |
| 19:42.52 | setuid | nah, some auto-fu isn't outputting correctly |
| 19:43.14 | Tupone | lol ,,, I should put here an auto-repeat |
| 19:43.35 | JeffM2501 | I got no errors on autogen |
| 19:43.45 | JeffM2501 | got the don't have lib curl error on config |
| 19:43.52 | JeffM2501 | since I don't have lib curl :) |
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| 19:45.53 | setuid | Automatically preparing build ... Warning: autoreconf failed |
| 19:45.53 | setuid | Attempting to run the configuration steps individually |
| 19:45.53 | setuid | Preparing build ... configure.ac:31: required file `include/config.h.in' not found |
| 19:45.54 | setuid | ERROR: automake failed |
| 19:46.07 | Tupone | try to put a -v after autogen |
| 19:46.12 | setuid | I build hundreds of packages from upstream source per-week, and I've never seen this before |
| 19:46.25 | Tupone | aww :) |
| 19:46.35 | setuid | Right, the second time I run autogen.sh, no errors, claims to complete cleanly |
| 19:46.51 | setuid | Which of course, is false, because configure immediately dies, because the auto-generated files do not exist |
| 19:46.52 | Tupone | clean all ant see why the first time fails |
| 19:47.16 | Tupone | or just try to run autoreconf |
| 19:47.26 | setuid | Yep |
| 19:47.30 | setuid | That works fine |
| 19:47.37 | Tupone | after cleaning ? |
| 19:47.40 | setuid | Yep |
| 19:47.52 | setuid | But configure dies, because no autogenerated files were added to ./misc or include |
| 19:48.06 | Tupone | I guess you have to configure the m4 directory :/ lemme see the source |
| 19:48.36 | setuid | Ok, dumped the repo and checked out clean, now I get this: |
| 19:48.49 | setuid | http://rafb.net/paste/results/3wot0s72.html |
| 19:49.15 | JeffM2501 | man is hitting F7 SO much easyer ;) |
| 19:49.24 | blast007 | ;) |
| 19:50.05 | setuid | Tupone: I'm all ears |
| 19:50.11 | setuid | autoreconf is v2.50 |
| 19:50.21 | JeffM2501 | dude, give him a chance to look |
| 19:50.21 | setuid | which is a symlink to autoconf which is a symlink to autoconf2.50 |
| 19:50.27 | setuid | JeffM2501: "dude", I know |
| 19:50.34 | setuid | ./m4/ is fine, that's not the issue here |
| 19:50.37 | Tupone | bah, looking at the source ... -i is missing from your command |
| 19:51.12 | JeffM2501 | no need to get mean setuid |
| 19:51.22 | Tupone | the problem could be automake, not autoconf |
| 19:52.11 | Tupone | it used to be simpler. I hope in brlcad :) |
| 19:52.36 | Tupone | I have 1.9.5 |
| 19:52.47 | setuid | Same here |
| 19:52.54 | setuid | I have 1.9 all the way down to 1.4 |
| 19:53.14 | setuid | Which version of libtool? |
| 19:53.56 | setuid | I wonder why it claims autoreconf fails the first time, but the second time, no warnings or errors |
| 19:54.22 | Tupone | your output is with ./autogen.sh -v ? |
| 19:54.30 | setuid | one moment |
| 19:55.31 | setuid | I think I see part of the problem |
| 19:55.42 | Tupone | that is better :) |
| 19:55.44 | setuid | oh wait, that won't matter, those should be auto-created after mv |
| 19:56.09 | setuid | http://rafb.net/paste/results/uVdrRs82.html |
| 19:57.36 | setuid | I wonder why those haven't been fixed yet... I've reported dozens of these over the last year |
| 19:59.12 | Tupone | autoheader seems that is not working :/ |
| 19:59.37 | Tupone | that has to create include/config.h.in |
| 19:59.49 | setuid | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Feb 28 16:37 autoheader -> autoconf |
| 19:59.50 | setuid | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 26 Mar 9 14:55 autoconf -> /etc/alternatives/autoconf |
| 19:59.53 | setuid | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Mar 9 14:54 /etc/alternatives/autoconf -> /usr/bin/autoconf2.50 |
| 20:01.03 | setuid | hrm, I wonder why it didn't complain that 2.52 wasn't found |
| 20:01.16 | setuid | There's the bug |
| 20:01.18 | setuid | Found GNU Autoconf version 2.13 |
| 20:01.18 | setuid | ERROR: To prepare the BZFlag build system from scratch, |
| 20:01.18 | setuid | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.28 | setuid | If I have 2.50, it doesn't complain, and tries to use it anyway |
| 20:01.32 | setuid | ..which fails |
| 20:03.59 | Tupone | where did you read that ? |
| 20:04.15 | setuid | When I made autoconf 2.13 the default, and ran autogen.sh -v, it spit that out |
| 20:04.40 | Tupone | ahh, yep .. 2.13 is not good |
| 20:04.58 | setuid | Right... hrm, this is weird. autoconf-2.50 is actually autoconf v2.59a |
| 20:05.04 | setuid | Why the hell did Debian break that? |
| 20:05.04 | setuid | arg |
| 20:05.52 | Tupone | debian or ubuntu? |
| 20:06.14 | setuid | Well, Ubuntu Breezy in this case, but the autoconf package was put into Ubuntu's repo by the Debian package maintainer |
| 20:06.18 | setuid | So they're both broken |
| 20:07.04 | Tupone | hmm, people here use debian and I have no report of it not working. |
| 20:08.20 | setuid | Oh, I'm sure it works (see above), the problem is that the version installed on disk, isn't the actual version. /usr/bin/autoconf2.50 is really autoconf v2.59 |
| 20:08.31 | setuid | $ /usr/bin/autoconf2.50 --version |
| 20:08.32 | setuid | autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.59 |
| 20:08.42 | setuid | Why it isn't called /usr/bin/autoconf2.59, I don't know |
| 20:08.49 | setuid | Minor problem, not your issue though |
| 20:09.36 | Tupone | AM_CONFIG_HEADER not defined -> config.h.in not build |
| 20:10.03 | Tupone | so you should investigate why you got that there |
| 20:10.32 | setuid | Yep, fixing the underquoting warnings now to clean that up |
| 20:10.46 | setuid | holy crap its 15:04 EST already |
| 20:16.14 | setuid | The problem is autoreconf... now why that fails, I'm not sure yet |
| 20:17.18 | Tupone | reclean the directory and try aclocal only |
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| 20:18.47 | Tupone | aclocal -I m4 |
| 20:20.12 | setuid | Yep, no issues there |
| 20:20.37 | setuid | autoreconf runs that same command |
| 20:20.58 | setuid | Here's what I see: |
| 20:21.14 | setuid | http://rafb.net/paste/results/wg6Si188.html |
| 20:22.28 | Tupone | hmm still autoheader does not work ... if you run autoheader alone? |
| 20:22.57 | gsnedders | is there anyway to get the position of a tank? |
| 20:22.59 | setuid | after clean, or after autoreconf? or after aclocal? |
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| 20:23.44 | Tupone | after aclocal I remember (before libtool was introduced) |
| 20:25.01 | Tupone | aclocal ; autoheader ; automake --add-missing --copy ; autoconf # first version of autogen |
| 20:25.03 | setuid | Tupone: No issues or errors |
| 20:25.10 | setuid | sec. |
| 20:25.21 | Tupone | do you see include/config.h.in there? |
| 20:25.48 | Tupone | hi orchid |
| 20:25.57 | setuid | Nope |
| 20:26.04 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
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| 20:27.24 | Tupone | orchid: did you had problem building bzflag on debian? |
| 20:27.30 | setuid | Tupone: What creates config.h.in in ./include? |
| 20:27.41 | Tupone | autoheader |
| 20:27.43 | SportyGal | orchid: hola |
| 20:27.51 | Tupone | with the CONFIG_HEADER in configure.ac |
| 20:28.19 | setuid | No, that's config.h, I meant what puts config.h.in in ./include? |
| 20:28.24 | setuid | config.h.in is what exports config.h |
| 20:28.27 | orchid | Tupone: I haven't updated and built in a few weeks, I cant remeber a specific problem recently though |
| 20:28.33 | orchid | hi SportyGal |
| 20:29.13 | setuid | This is definitely weird |
| 20:29.26 | Tupone | setuid autoheader create include/config.h.in looking at the various macro defined in configure.ac. The place autoheader use is defined in configure.ac with the macro CONFIG_HEADER |
| 20:29.51 | Tupone | CONFIG_HEADER is also used by configure |
| 20:30.06 | Tupone | IIRC |
| 20:30.18 | setuid | Then something's wrong... ;) |
| 20:30.32 | setuid | Either Debian's version of these tools is broken (I doubt that), or something is missing from this tree |
| 20:30.36 | Tupone | possibly within your system or within bzflag |
| 20:30.46 | Tupone | no, that is not missing |
| 20:30.53 | Tupone | possibly something is wrong |
| 20:30.58 | Tupone | but not missing |
| 20:31.13 | Tupone | wrong -> now working in all system |
| 20:31.46 | Tupone | you could try vanilla version of autotools if you can |
| 20:33.17 | setuid | But what are you doing different in this tree with autofoo that hundreds of other projects are not...? |
| 20:33.32 | setuid | I mean, why would this fail, where hundreds of other projects I build using autotools works fine |
| 20:34.24 | Tupone | you say |
| 20:34.30 | setuid | ugh, and all this just to work around some other bug where I have a massive negative lag time and I can't kill any other tanks |
| 20:35.09 | trepan | JeffM2501: caved in and turned on zbuffer writes for the ground :) |
| 20:35.10 | Tupone | I will post a distribution already autotoolized |
| 20:35.32 | trepan | the new shots looked stupid with their tails in the dirt |
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| 20:36.15 | trepan | polygon offset for the ground receivers / ground grid |
| 20:37.01 | Tupone | JeffM2501 or DTRemenak or blast007 : installer_2.0.nsi gone ? |
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| 20:44.36 | Tupone | setuid: http://bzflag.tupone.dyndns.org/bzflag-2.0.5.tar.bz2 |
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| 20:56.03 | menotume | here,gone,here,gone - make up your minds :) |
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| 20:59.17 | setuid | Nope, same negative lag bug |
| 21:00.29 | Tupone | is CVS, autotool'ed |
| 21:02.45 | setuid | not HEAD though, right |
| 21:03.28 | setuid | s/right/right?/ |
| 21:04.09 | Tupone | 2.0.5 like name says :) |
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| 21:04.10 | Mr_Molez | is it normal for the tank of the radar to not be exactly as it is on the hud. For example a shot at the side of a tank on the hud (which u would see should miss) would actually on the radar look like it will hit and it does hit . Is this normal or have i just got my radar too big ? |
| 21:04.10 | Mr_Molez | if that makes any sense :) |
| 21:05.36 | trepan | shots use spherical collision detection |
| 21:06.08 | Mr_Molez | so the sphere is actually bigger than the tank you see on the hud ? |
| 21:06.08 | trepan | depends on the bzdb setting |
| 21:07.14 | menotume | Mr_Molez: http://bzflag.org/moinimg/lag/playerb.png |
| 21:08.01 | menotume | that should be the hit-zone with 'normal' thickness settings |
| 21:08.02 | menotume | errr, tank-size |
| 21:08.03 | Mr_Molez | :) |
| 21:08.24 | Mr_Molez | so i am right in saying the sphere is actually bigger than the tank on the hud (assuming all tank sizes are 'normal' ;) |
| 21:08.44 | TD-Linux | you could actually get a bit of strategy there... |
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| 21:36.29 | trepan | is it reasonable to have a 'showTankSphere' option, or maybe only in observer mode? |
| 21:36.53 | Mr_Molez | would that show the 'true' size ? |
| 21:36.58 | trepan | we've already got the pauseSphere lying around to do the job |
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| 21:42.48 | Chestal | this sounds only useful as a debugging option to me |
| 21:43.11 | Chestal | you could debate whether the hit check is good as it is in the first place |
| 21:43.31 | Chestal | but displaying the hit zone during normal play just seems wrong to me |
| 21:44.43 | Mr_Molez | if it would help stop cheaters i am up for it :P |
| 21:44.54 | Chestal | well, it wouldn't |
| 21:44.56 | trepan | Chestal: ditto, and it could lead to a bunch of whining about shots that should have hit |
| 21:45.22 | Chestal | and the tank display on radar is an approximation |
| 21:45.22 | trepan | but it's there in observer mode, as a /localset type of option ;) |
| 21:45.31 | Chestal | it's actualy much more accurate than it used to be |
| 21:45.41 | trepan | unless you zoom in, in enhanced mode ;) |
| 21:46.22 | Chestal | back in the old days radar was only really good to see where tanks are at roughly |
| 21:46.41 | Mr_Molez | :O |
| 21:48.17 | orchid | molez suddenly your against cheating? |
| 21:48.35 | Mr_Molez | i was never for it. |
| 21:48.43 | Tupone | aww |
| 21:49.00 | orchid | uh-huh |
| 21:49.05 | Mr_Molez | :) |
| 21:49.12 | JeffM2501 | just call him "syndrome" |
| 21:49.17 | Mr_Molez | hehe |
| 21:51.01 | JeffM2501 | tho I'd like to remind Mr_Molez that he is here on probationary status and to make sure that he dosn't get involved in any public "heated"discussions |
| 21:51.37 | Mr_Molez | I know i dodged out of one earlier :) |
| 21:51.54 | JeffM2501 | then you shoudl be fine |
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| 22:03.51 | TD-Linux | whoa.... one person alone wrote the 3D renderer for X-Wing 8-O |
| 22:10.17 | trepan | http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/tankSphere.jpg (showSpheres var, only while roaming) |
| 22:10.59 | trepan | wireframe mode shows the LOD'ing nicely ;) |
| 22:12.59 | Mr_Molez | nice looks good aswell :P |
| 22:20.38 | TD-Linux | wow... those spheres overshoot quite a bit on the top of the tank |
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| 22:32.16 | brlcad | i think they're actually ellipsoids now aren't they? vaguely recall a radius/2 |
| 22:32.39 | brlcad | i can see a use, it would make for a great rendering enhancement to shield |
| 22:34.01 | Tupone | ellipsoid is for tank against tank |
| 22:34.19 | Tupone | IIRC |
| 22:35.46 | brlcad | tank against tank only? that wouldn't make sense |
| 22:35.58 | brlcad | world weapons should interact the same |
| 22:35.59 | trepan | SR adjustment for height |
| 22:42.14 | brlcad | unique in that respect, only cause he's so weak |
| 22:43.59 | trepan | someone could update 2.1 to start with the sphere check, and then progress to an OBB or mesh check ;) |
| 22:52.23 | brlcad | mm.. 56 mph isn't too bad, relatively realistic minus the whole momentum thing |
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| 22:57.20 | JeffM2501 | there's that someone(tm) again |
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| 23:00.47 | romfis | hehe http://trepan.bzflag.bz/noshow/tankSphere.jpg whaz is that, tankSphere for a shild ? |
| 23:01.17 | TD-Linux | romfis: for shot detection |
| 23:01.34 | CBG | romfis: green one has no flag, so couldn't be shield :) |
| 23:01.49 | romfis | aha |
| 23:02.44 | romfis | is that on build 2.0.5b6 or 2.1 ? |
| 23:03.03 | purple_cow | shield effect would be cool |
| 23:03.21 | romfis | ;) |
| 23:03.35 | romfis | for another game mode :) |
| 23:03.37 | CBG | purple_cow: yeah. romfis could be onto something :) |
| 23:03.41 | trepan | gonna try a shader chromatic effect on the SW |
| 23:05.09 | romfis | new mod "capture the tank" *lol* |
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| 23:08.51 | All13d | err...hello :P |
| 23:09.34 | All13d | anyone there? |
| 23:12.24 | orchid | hello |
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| 23:15.32 | romfis | k, see is for 2.0.6 ;) - http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=74155#74155 |
| 23:16.37 | trepan | romfis: tank spheres are only a 'debug' type feature, observer mode only |
| 23:17.20 | trepan | and not accessible through the menus, /localset showSpheres 1 |
| 23:18.29 | All13d | err hello guys |
| 23:18.35 | All13d | is anyone here running windows xp x64? |
| 23:18.51 | All13d | for some reason texturing makes me and my friend lag like nuts whenever we turn it on under x64 =[ |
| 23:19.25 | JeffM2501 | our builds are 32bit windows |
| 23:19.31 | JeffM2501 | your going to run in emulation |
| 23:19.33 | JeffM2501 | it's very very slow |
| 23:19.41 | All13d | ^*%^ |
| 23:19.49 | All13d | -_- |
| 23:20.07 | JeffM2501 | windows 64 OS is not very usefull in this day in age |
| 23:20.15 | JeffM2501 | most systems run apps faster in 32 bit |
| 23:20.24 | All13d | well, i have 64-bit apps =[ |
| 23:20.30 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:20.37 | JeffM2501 | then your going to be emulated |
| 23:20.47 | JeffM2501 | your welcome to work on a 64 bit native build tho |
| 23:21.04 | All13d | ... |
| 23:21.05 | JeffM2501 | none of the windows developers have 64bit OSs |
| 23:21.09 | blast007 | (or dual boot 32 and 64-bit editions) |
| 23:21.10 | JeffM2501 | so we never made one |
| 23:21.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:21.18 | All13d | well, this is really wierd |
| 23:21.21 | All13d | i can run half-life 2 |
| 23:21.24 | All13d | even quake 4 |
| 23:21.27 | All13d | with no issues |
| 23:21.28 | JeffM2501 | IIRC those are directX |
| 23:21.31 | JeffM2501 | not openGL |
| 23:21.37 | All13d | ah **** |
| 23:21.46 | purple_cow | if it's fine without texturing, it's probably a driver issue |
| 23:21.50 | JeffM2501 | it could also be a problem with your drive |
| 23:21.53 | JeffM2501 | driver |
| 23:21.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:22.01 | JeffM2501 | what he said :) |
| 23:22.01 | All13d | yea, probably so |
| 23:22.07 | JeffM2501 | you have current drivers? |
| 23:22.09 | All13d | i'm running catalyst 6.3 from ati |
| 23:22.10 | All13d | yea |
| 23:22.13 | All13d | upgraded yesterday |
| 23:22.13 | romfis | k, trepan |
| 23:22.15 | All13d | it made it worse :P |
| 23:22.24 | JeffM2501 | well tha'ts ATI for ya |
| 23:22.34 | All13d | lol |
| 23:22.37 | JeffM2501 | you on VISTA or XP64? |
| 23:22.42 | All13d | XP64 |
| 23:22.52 | All13d | i tried vista once |
| 23:22.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah hard to say then |
| 23:23.00 | All13d | crashed even counterstrike |
| 23:23.03 | All13d | so i reformatted :P |
| 23:23.10 | JeffM2501 | why anyone would run games on 64 bit is beyond me |
| 23:23.20 | JeffM2501 | they run much faster on 32bit windows |
| 23:23.37 | All13d | well, thats kinda strange |
| 23:23.44 | JeffM2501 | no game needs 64 bit precision |
| 23:23.47 | All13d | i get less lag on x64 for MOST games |
| 23:23.55 | All13d | and besides, i like the far cry x64 expansions...lol |
| 23:23.56 | JeffM2501 | lag is a network feature |
| 23:23.58 | JeffM2501 | not CPU |
| 23:24.04 | All13d | not always |
| 23:24.08 | JeffM2501 | but yeah, I'd see about your driver |
| 23:24.11 | JeffM2501 | or a native build |
| 23:24.12 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 23:24.15 | All13d | i count getting 6 fps as 'lag' :P |
| 23:24.23 | JeffM2501 | well yeah that's just bad |
| 23:24.37 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have? |
| 23:24.37 | All13d | the only ****ing problem with ati |
| 23:24.44 | All13d | is that they dont make drivers for older cards |
| 23:24.47 | All13d | radeon 9200 |
| 23:24.50 | All13d | 128mb |
| 23:24.54 | CBG | I get under 10FPS on some of LouMans maps as it is, :) |
| 23:24.55 | JeffM2501 | I'm sorry |
| 23:25.12 | All13d | guess i gotta get a new card :P |
| 23:25.29 | JeffM2501 | or an OS that has better driver support |
| 23:25.44 | All13d | hell, even the 32-bit driver versions no longer support my card |
| 23:25.47 | JeffM2501 | I know 9200's run fine in regular windows, and on OSX |
| 23:25.51 | All13d | makes me want to kill whoever designed that at ati :P |
| 23:26.04 | JeffM2501 | personaly I don't buy ATI |
| 23:26.12 | JeffM2501 | due to driver probs |
| 23:26.36 | All13d | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.57 | All13d | at least nvidia RELEASES linux drivers more often than 2 months after the product launches :P |
| 23:27.40 | All13d | hmm, thats an idea...i'll try ubuntu and see what happens :P |
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| 23:44.55 | bz68 | hi |
| 23:44.59 | bz68 | huh |
| 23:45.10 | Mr_Molez | hey :) |
| 23:45.19 | CBG | hello bz68 |
| 23:45.45 | bz68 | I'm working on a CTF map and and am wondering if there is a way to make the flag "default" position different |
| 23:46.53 | bz68 | like make the red flag respawn after a cpature in a different spot than the base |
| 23:47.20 | CBG | Use "zones". The man opage will tell you about them. :) |
| 23:47.32 | CBG | or maybe someone else here has more time than me, I have to work. |
| 23:47.54 | bz68 | yep, I used zones to make the R* flag position different..not work :S |
| 23:48.03 | trepan | zoneflags |
| 23:48.34 | bz68 | do I need to use "-fb" ? |
| 23:48.39 | bz68 | if it's on a mesh... |
| 23:49.17 | trepan | zone \n zoneflag R* \n position, etc... \n end |
| 23:49.21 | CBG | Yeah, the mesh needs to be flat too. |
| 23:49.35 | CBG | Flags wont land on a slope. |
| 23:49.49 | bz68 | CBG, yeh yeh, I know |
| 23:50.02 | CBG | :) |
| 23:53.56 | bz68 | trepan...is this right :S no work "zone \n zonflag R* \n position X Y Z \n size X Y Z \n end" |
| 23:55.23 | trepan | needs a recent bzfs version too |
| 23:55.32 | trepan | don't remember when i added it |
| 23:55.43 | CBG | "zonflag" should be "zoneflag". |
| 23:56.03 | bz68 | oh, sry, I meant zoneflag |
| 23:56.05 | CBG | and in older bzfs versions, I think just "flags" would work. perhaps. |
| 23:56.54 | bz68 | I'm running 5 |
| 23:57.00 | bz68 | v 2.0.5b1 |
| 23:59.42 | bz68 | I'm not getting it, is there a map or something out there that uses these? |
