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| 01:12.43 | meacan | orchid: ping |
| 01:14.42 | orchid | hello meacan |
| 01:15.32 | meacan | orchid: hi. nevermind :) sammy was on our server with 100% packetloss and 9sec delay but wasnt kicked. But "he" left/got kicked just now |
| 01:16.03 | orchid | :) |
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| 02:27.14 | Punkus | hi |
| 02:27.31 | blast007 | hello |
| 02:27.49 | Punkus | who do I talk to for help installing bzfed? |
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| 02:31.20 | blast007 | Punkus: there's an email address at the bottom of the bzfed site |
| 02:31.27 | Punkus | ok |
| 02:31.29 | Punkus | thanks |
| 02:31.35 | blast007 | not sure if that's who did bzfed, or who did the website design though |
| 02:33.16 | amcnabb | Does anyone have any thoughts about the methods in SceneRenderer that I emailed out about? |
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| 02:46.54 | CBG | >cbg |
| 02:47.00 | CBG | ooops, wrong channel. |
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| 02:50.38 | Punkus | JBdiGriz: do you know about bzfed? |
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| 03:25.20 | BzFire | hi |
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| 04:46.08 | orchid | ~beer me |
| 04:46.10 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a excellent Dogfishhead 90min IPA for orchid |
| 04:46.59 | brlcad | hehe |
| 04:49.36 | BzFire | exactly |
| 04:54.38 | BzFire | how can you work with atleast 90min Dogfighhead IPA ? |
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| 04:55.02 | Punkus | ibot: correction... "pulls out AN excellent Dogfishhead 90min IPA for orchid" :P |
| 04:55.34 | Punkus | what other commands can you tell that bot? |
| 04:55.52 | orchid | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.55 | Punkus | k |
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| 05:18.16 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ping |
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| 05:28.29 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 05:38.26 | SportChick | JeffM2501: dumb question |
| 05:41.16 | orchid | ~decks |
| 05:41.17 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, decks is http://bzgirl.bakadigital.com/decks.html |
| 05:41.36 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 05:41.53 | orchid | heh, do you hilight n "decks |
| 05:41.54 | purple_cow | it is friday night... |
| 05:42.01 | purple_cow | no, i just happened to be here |
| 05:42.03 | orchid | it is yes |
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| 05:50.14 | SportChick | decks? |
| 05:50.17 | SportChick | did I hear decks? |
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| 06:12.04 | SportChick | learner: DECKS! |
| 06:12.27 | BzFire | all hands on decks ? |
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| 06:15.12 | BzFire | Hello janis |
| 06:15.17 | {janis} | hi |
| 06:15.22 | {janis} | can you host my maps? |
| 06:15.45 | BzFire | I belive the links clan is already hosting your maps |
| 06:16.02 | {janis} | yep but i have more :P |
| 06:16.06 | {janis} | very good |
| 06:16.14 | {janis} | or tell me how to host? |
| 06:16.20 | {janis} | i try myself too |
| 06:16.28 | BzFire | ok I am willing to look at them and if I find any worthy I will host them |
| 06:16.42 | {janis} | how i send it you? |
| 06:17.01 | BzFire | I am sorry it will require some very good understanding of linux to host them yourself on my server |
| 06:17.15 | BzFire | my e-mail is bzflagfire@yahoo.com |
| 06:17.29 | {janis} | thanks |
| 06:29.21 | BzFire | TimRikerLasik: hello |
| 06:30.13 | BzFire | TimRikerLasik: please talk with me when you have time |
| 06:30.35 | {janis} | i sended |
| 06:30.51 | BzFire | {janis}: please check your private messages |
| 06:30.51 | TimRikerLasik | BzFire: sorry. my eyes are tired after the surgery. I've gotta head to bed. |
| 06:31.21 | BzFire | TimRikerLasik: it is ok I do not need to talk with you this moment. Please rest. I hope you recover soon |
| 06:32.06 | TimRikerLasik | BzFire: thx. I should be on sometime tomorrow. |
| 06:32.43 | {janis} | =can we talk Bzfire |
| 06:32.52 | BzFire | ofcourse we can |
| 06:32.55 | BzFire | private please |
| 06:33.11 | {janis} | how? |
| 06:33.20 | BzFire | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.57 | {janis} | have you it? |
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| 06:34.13 | BzFire | please privat |
| 06:40.30 | {janis} | bye all and good night all |
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| 06:43.59 | Punkus | friggen hell |
| 06:45.04 | JeffM2501 | kline? |
| 06:45.56 | Punkus | yeppers |
| 06:46.03 | JeffM2501 | what did you do to get that? |
| 06:46.19 | JeffM2501 | and if so, how did you get back in? |
| 06:46.24 | Punkus | dad typed something into irc on this server that kicked about 6 people |
| 06:46.33 | Punkus | lilo let us in |
| 06:46.57 | JeffM2501 | ahh, the firewall bug |
| 06:47.01 | JeffM2501 | most likely |
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| 06:47.48 | Punkus | yep |
| 06:47.52 | Punkus | the DCC one |
| 06:49.02 | JeffM2501 | bad exploiter :) |
| 06:50.27 | Punkus | he did it in #gentoo |
| 06:50.34 | Punkus | which has about 900 people in it |
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| 07:02.40 | Punkus | well, gtg |
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| 07:37.22 | IIugh | Question: anyone know why anonamous CVS access has been disabled on the 2.1dev branch sometime in the last week or so? |
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| 07:57.59 | JeffM2501 | probably just SF doing maintance again |
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| 12:25.23 | spldart | Question... I can't get bzfs to build on a new debian install I'm toying around with... Where should i start looking for the problem |
| 12:26.43 | Tupone | you are compiling yourself or installing a debian package? |
| 12:27.13 | Tupone | compiling yourself is a bit inappropriate :) |
| 12:27.54 | spldart | trying to autogen, configure, make from cvs source material |
| 12:28.04 | spldart | it's failing to make bzfs |
| 12:28.47 | Tupone | post the last errors lines at bzpastebin |
| 12:30.51 | spldart | it's going through the process like always but I think that's because I walk away and don't see an error go by cuz it takes a while to finish... Does the ./configure and make leave logs for me to paste? |
| 12:31.15 | Tupone | just redo the make |
| 12:31.24 | Tupone | only the make |
| 12:33.02 | spldart | is there a make log? It takes almost an hour to do make |
| 12:33.19 | Tupone | no? if you don't clean does not take so much |
| 12:33.32 | Tupone | it will take 3 secs |
| 12:33.38 | Tupone | maybe 10 |
| 12:34.12 | conanhome | Tupone: why is inappropriate to compile yourself bzfs? |
| 12:34.37 | conanhome | Tupone: since the plugins are not so spread, ppl have to do it to have some patches in |
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| 12:34.49 | Tupone | inappropriate to compile yourself (in my sentences was missing the subject) |
| 12:35.31 | Tupone | you can compile yourself only if you are a compiler and you are boostrapping |
| 12:36.35 | Tupone | there was a smile at the end :) |
| 12:36.58 | spldart | so how do I make with no clean? |
| 12:37.12 | Tupone | just do "make" |
| 12:37.23 | spldart | that takes 46 minuts or so |
| 12:37.25 | conanhome | Tupone: lol |
| 12:38.07 | Tupone | spldart: the first time it take that time, if you don't clean the tree, make does nothing |
| 12:38.51 | spldart | Unfortunately it does and is currently. I just typed make and it's been running for a minute and it's doint at the same speed as first time :( |
| 12:39.12 | Tupone | hmmm someone has cleaned the tree then |
| 12:39.32 | spldart | is cvs down btw? |
| 12:39.39 | Tupone | I dunnp |
| 12:39.44 | spldart | Or is it just me :( |
| 12:41.33 | spldart | How about cannot find -1krb5support??? |
| 12:41.57 | Tupone | well, you don't need that |
| 12:42.18 | Tupone | have you enabled kerberos in bzflag? |
| 12:42.39 | Tupone | no one use that, should be ppurged from the tree |
| 12:42.56 | spldart | I haven't done anything more than normal when updating server |
| 12:43.10 | spldart | ./autogen.sh ./configure --disable-client make |
| 12:43.14 | Tupone | ok, forget abouth that then |
| 12:43.21 | spldart | cp bzfs then strip bzfs |
| 12:43.30 | spldart | but of course.. no bzfs this time |
| 12:44.17 | spldart | anywho after -lkrb5support problem I get collect2: 1d returned 1 exit status then some recursive errors in bzadmin and it stops |
| 12:44.51 | spldart | [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 12:45.48 | Tupone | try ./configure --disable-client --without-kerberos |
| 12:46.13 | spldart | ok... will try |
| 12:49.06 | YOURDEAD | hi all |
| 12:50.33 | spldart | >Tupone: same outcome after make |
| 12:50.50 | Tupone | so ... you did : |
| 12:50.54 | Tupone | ./autogen.sh |
| 12:51.09 | Tupone | ./configure --without-kerberos --disable-client |
| 12:51.12 | Tupone | make |
| 12:52.13 | spldart | I didn't rerun ./autogen.sh |
| 12:52.25 | spldart | should I have? |
| 12:53.06 | Tupone | you should clean all the tree, then redo both 3, and then, if error persist, paset everythings on bzpastebin |
| 12:53.08 | spldart | but yes ./configure --disable-client --without-kerberos |
| 12:53.25 | spldart | then make |
| 12:53.35 | Tupone | configure.log ... and last linking command |
| 12:53.40 | spldart | ok... how do I clean the tree? |
| 12:53.45 | Tupone | make distclean |
| 12:53.50 | spldart | k |
| 12:54.32 | Tupone | I don't know if distclean clear the cache, rm -rf *cache* |
| 12:55.11 | spldart | working |
| 12:58.29 | spldart | I'm going to grab a set of 2.1 branch I have saved and run ./autogen.sh ./configure make on it too and see what happens |
| 12:58.37 | spldart | thanks for your help and I |
| 12:58.51 | spldart | ll see where I end up in an hour or 3 |
| 13:01.53 | spldart-away | YAH know.... This deb install has had the quirky problem where my first build attempt saw gnu automake version 1.4 no matter what version I apt-get'ed... I had to uninstall 1.4 to get 1.7 or 1.8 or 1.9 to work |
| 13:02.08 | spldart-away | That's never happened before either |
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| 13:04.13 | Tupone | I don't think you need to uninstall automake1.4 |
| 13:04.37 | Tupone | IIRC there is a command to select it |
| 13:05.44 | Tupone | and normally happens magiaclly when it see configure.ac |
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| 13:47.09 | gsnedders | ~lart gsnedders |
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| 14:05.09 | YOURDEAD | ZMAN U HERE? |
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| 14:17.08 | Z_Man | yes |
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| 14:33.04 | sniperyyd | [Off Topic] Where can I find Valve Hammer Editor IRC Channel? Still I cannot find it in freenode. |
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| 14:48.16 | Z_Man | sniperyyd: www.searchirc.com |
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| 17:50.39 | MonkeyBoy | lo |
| 17:50.46 | PuMpErNiCkLe | oy |
| 17:50.58 | MonkeyBoy | i have some questions about the implementation of bzflag |
| 17:51.18 | MonkeyBoy | as a final part of my phd i am using the software i have written to extend some services for online games |
| 17:52.12 | MonkeyBoy | it makes a nice demo and shows that my stuff works outside of boring lab experiment |
| 17:53.03 | brlcad | heh |
| 17:53.05 | brlcad | nice |
| 17:53.18 | MonkeyBoy | i want to try to improve the way games publish and discover servers and/or how they update themselves (new maps/game binaries) |
| 17:53.45 | MonkeyBoy | ive put some detail on a wiki - http://popey.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TychoGames |
| 17:54.11 | MonkeyBoy | im trying to dind out about how bzflag currently does server discovery and/or content delivery (like new game binaries or maps) |
| 17:56.14 | brlcad | mostly ad hoc, there is not really any discovery |
| 17:56.23 | brlcad | it's publish lists |
| 17:56.35 | brlcad | bzfs servers publish to a list server |
| 17:56.43 | brlcad | clients query the list server |
| 17:57.28 | MonkeyBoy | you have a single central list? |
| 17:57.34 | brlcad | we've talked about binary delivery to very long extents, but that is not presently implemented -- there are social, security concerns mostly |
| 17:57.36 | PuMpErNiCkLe | yup |
| 17:58.30 | brlcad | MonkeyBoy: there is a single "official" list server |
| 17:58.38 | brlcad | but there can be alternate list networks |
| 17:59.33 | brlcad | i.e. you can create your own list server for your bzflag network in australia for example, where they can't play on the other public servers very easily -- or for an office environment where they may want to control all servers |
| 18:00.05 | MonkeyBoy | ok |
| 18:00.06 | brlcad | i take it back about no server discovery -- there is local network server discovery |
| 18:01.08 | brlcad | maps are delivered to the client from the individual bzfs and/or from remote urls |
| 18:01.13 | trepan | MonkeyBoy: maps are downloaded directly from the connected server or via an http link, map textures are all http |
| 18:01.14 | brlcad | same goes for map textures |
| 18:01.42 | MonkeyBoy | cool |
| 18:07.19 | MonkeyBoy | so people set up regional server lists so that they are likely to get servers which will have acceptable latency? |
| 18:08.26 | blast007 | they can |
| 18:08.32 | MonkeyBoy | ok |
| 18:08.36 | blast007 | but by default the client looks at the main list server |
| 18:08.40 | MonkeyBoy | and each master list is stand alone |
| 18:08.44 | blast007 | yup |
| 18:08.48 | MonkeyBoy | they dont exnchange records or anything? |
| 18:08.53 | blast007 | nope |
| 18:09.05 | MonkeyBoy | how does a client or server know where the server list is? |
| 18:09.11 | MonkeyBoy | the user provides an address? |
| 18:09.16 | MonkeyBoy | or server admin |
| 18:09.22 | blast007 | there is a config option for both the client and the server |
| 18:09.39 | blast007 | command line based |
| 18:10.08 | blast007 | and for the client, it will retain that value in the local configuration |
| 18:10.12 | MonkeyBoy | ok |
| 18:10.30 | MonkeyBoy | what info is published by a game server into the server list? |
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| 18:11.00 | blast007 | the player counts, game style settings, host/port/ip |
| 18:11.17 | blast007 | it doesn't itself track players that are online, or their scores |
| 18:11.30 | blast007 | there is a stats site that runs a perl script to query servers in more detail |
| 18:18.04 | MonkeyBoy | is bzflag written in C? |
| 18:18.34 | PuMpErNiCkLe | C/C++ I think |
| 18:21.49 | MonkeyBoy | do you know what mechanism is used to make sure the server list removes dead servers? |
| 18:21.54 | MonkeyBoy | a heartbeat? |
| 18:22.01 | blast007 | yeah, every 15 minutes iirc |
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| 18:22.23 | blast007 | when when a player joins/leaves |
| 18:22.31 | blast007 | and when* |
| 18:22.35 | MonkeyBoy | ok |
| 18:23.17 | MonkeyBoy | the 15 minute one - does it bother to send all the game state info? |
| 18:23.28 | MonkeyBoy | or just something like "ping" |
| 18:23.34 | blast007 | it just sends the usual ADD message |
| 18:23.55 | blast007 | again, just the general configuration of the server, and player counts |
| 18:24.23 | blast007 | there is a much more advanced configuration inside the server through a database of variables |
| 18:24.30 | blast007 | they control things like tank speed, gravity, etc |
| 18:24.37 | blast007 | but the list server doesn't get that |
| 18:24.43 | MonkeyBoy | sure |
| 18:24.56 | MonkeyBoy | just a subset which players can use to choose a server they like |
| 18:25.04 | blast007 | right |
| 18:25.38 | brlcad | it's a mix |
| 18:26.00 | brlcad | as players join/leave servers, the servers send notification to the list server |
| 18:26.24 | brlcad | in addition, servers will respond to a query from the list server periodically |
| 18:26.43 | blast007 | the list server doesn't query the server |
| 18:26.51 | MonkeyBoy | do the game clients query the game servers directly after they have got the info from the list server (perhaps to measure latency) |
| 18:26.53 | blast007 | at least without the server asking to be queried |
| 18:27.05 | blast007 | MonkeyBoy: they load from the list server |
| 18:27.30 | MonkeyBoy | is latency not listed in the server selection user interface? |
| 18:27.36 | blast007 | nope |
| 18:27.45 | brlcad | latency to the list server is mostly irrelevant |
| 18:27.57 | MonkeyBoy | i mean latency from game client to game server |
| 18:27.59 | blast007 | brlcad: latency to each server directly |
| 18:28.29 | BearPerson | question is how you'd measure that |
| 18:28.36 | brlcad | i know, just pointing the detail out |
| 18:28.38 | MonkeyBoy | so you would not find out the latency until you connected to the server? |
| 18:29.35 | MonkeyBoy | (im not being critical btw - im just trying to write down what the implementation is) |
| 18:29.49 | brlcad | latencies are not computed/stored until the connection is established with clients, and even then it usually takes a while for the numbers to stabilize |
| 18:30.11 | MonkeyBoy | ok |
| 18:30.46 | brlcad | that latency can be queried by clients at any time during the game |
| 18:31.04 | MonkeyBoy | ok |
| 18:31.13 | brlcad | server uses the latencies with bounds checks and timing windows to automatically remove clients outside a specified bounds |
| 18:31.37 | MonkeyBoy | ok, thats into the realms of client-server comms |
| 18:31.42 | MonkeyBoy | beyond the scope of my work |
| 18:32.01 | MonkeyBoy | if you have a sec could you check my notes on what you guys have told me |
| 18:32.04 | MonkeyBoy | http://popey.com/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?TychoGames |
| 18:32.07 | MonkeyBoy | down the bottom |
| 18:32.16 | MonkeyBoy | in case i have got the wrong end of the stick |
| 18:33.11 | brlcad | i wouldn't say the first sentence.. they _can_ run their own master list server |
| 18:33.16 | brlcad | but by large most don't |
| 18:33.23 | brlcad | most use our primary |
| 18:33.25 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 18:33.50 | brlcad | 159 servers, 197 players right now |
| 18:34.28 | PuMpErNiCkLe | woah, only 16 on viper? |
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| 18:34.32 | PuMpErNiCkLe | bbl |
| 18:35.01 | blast007 | and was something added to CVS that allows a new installer to be downloaded? at least for Windows? |
| 18:37.02 | blast007 | but anyway, the main reason we don't automatically distribute new binaries is because on *nix/OSX, there is a lot to consider |
| 18:37.10 | MonkeyBoy | sure |
| 18:37.11 | blast007 | OS version, libraries, etc |
| 18:37.52 | blast007 | and also our release quality version in the same branch (2.0.x, 1.10.x) are compatible within themselves |
| 18:37.59 | blast007 | versions* |
| 18:38.09 | brlcad | MonkeyBoy: other common network service is a master ban list provided via http pulled by the servers (servers can opt out) |
| 18:40.10 | blast007 | also looks like the heartbeat is 30 minutes now |
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| 18:40.55 | MonkeyBoy | ok |
| 18:41.48 | brlcad | the heartbeat is compile-time configurable, easily changed |
| 18:42.57 | MonkeyBoy | right thank you all for your help |
| 18:43.00 | blast007 | right, just wouldn't want to change it too high ;) |
| 18:43.06 | blast007 | or else the list server would drop it |
| 18:43.08 | MonkeyBoy | made my life a shit load easier |
| 18:43.27 | brlcad | language please ;) we cater to kids here too |
| 18:43.36 | MonkeyBoy | how often must you heartbeat to not get dropped? |
| 18:45.13 | blast007 | the list drops after 30.5 minutes |
| 18:45.32 | MonkeyBoy | so 30 minute heartbeat is close to the limit |
| 18:45.37 | blast007 | yup |
| 18:45.53 | MonkeyBoy | unless someone has joined or left |
| 18:45.57 | blast007 | right |
| 18:45.58 | brlcad | right |
| 18:45.59 | MonkeyBoy | forcing the server to update anyway |
| 18:46.03 | MonkeyBoy | cool |
| 18:48.01 | MonkeyBoy | do you guys know any online games which are open source and not based on a quake engine and run multiple game servers? |
| 18:48.20 | PuMpErNiCkLe | MonkeyBoy: Have you looked at Cube? |
| 18:48.36 | brlcad | we've also talked about having reduntant primary list servers, using a round-robin response and having the list servers share/synchronize |
| 18:48.41 | PuMpErNiCkLe | I'm not sure if it's based on the quake engine - it's definitely quake-themed. |
| 18:49.15 | brlcad | MonkeyBoy: XPilot, http://www.xpilot.org/ |
| 18:49.20 | MonkeyBoy | looks cool |
| 18:49.27 | MonkeyBoy | i wil try and find them to aharras next :) |
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| 18:52.44 | gsnedders | woah. my using the energy saver to cap the FPS at my monitor refresh rate, the CPU usage has gone down by around 25%! |
| 18:53.05 | brlcad | gsnedders: that was the whole point ;) |
| 18:53.36 | gsnedders | brlcad, is it gonna be on by default? |
| 18:53.48 | brlcad | not likely |
| 18:54.16 | blast007 | gsnedders: it's good for laptops, since they won't use as much battery life |
| 18:54.29 | blast007 | for for desktops, I want the full FPS :) |
| 18:54.35 | blast007 | but for* |
| 18:55.09 | gsnedders | blast007, I'm on my desktop as well, I just saw no reason for it to produce more frames than will be displayed :P |
| 18:55.36 | blast007 | there are arguments both ways |
| 18:55.51 | gsnedders | yeaah |
| 18:55.53 | blast007 | some people say they can respond faster when the FPS is higher |
| 18:56.11 | gsnedders | but why would it make a difference, if it was the refresh rate? |
| 18:56.32 | blast007 | 500FPS vs 85 |
| 18:56.36 | brlcad | events are processed on each cycle through the event loop |
| 18:56.56 | blast007 | what brlcad said ;) |
| 18:57.08 | brlcad | so at worst case, the system takes 1/500s to respond.. or 1/50s |
| 18:57.30 | gsnedders | ah |
| 18:57.57 | brlcad | it's an ever so slight potential advantage, which in practice really won't likely matter but people think it does so they'll see it how they want to |
| 18:58.04 | gsnedders | how does the energy saver work? just try and average x FPS? |
| 18:58.11 | gsnedders | or just stop it after x FPS? |
| 18:58.29 | gsnedders | (the latter would be really dumb IMHO) |
| 18:59.05 | brlcad | it's basically a weighted average estimate, then it waits longer/shorter per cycle to adjust to the frame rate |
| 18:59.27 | gsnedders | right. |
| 18:59.28 | brlcad | if a few frames end up spending more time processing, then you'll be waiting less for a few frames |
| 18:59.47 | ToughShooter | Is it meant to always reach fpsLimit -1 Frame? |
| 19:00.15 | brlcad | it strives to acheive fpsLimit |
| 19:00.39 | brlcad | which after slight ajustments usually means it gets just under that (like fpsLimit - 1/fpsLimit) |
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| 20:44.22 | JeffM2501 | learner / brlcad did you read this? http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic |
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| 20:52.38 | aah | ping. how does one start a poll to switch to the next map? |
| 20:53.09 | JeffM2501 | the game can't swap maps when it's running |
| 20:53.20 | JeffM2501 | you have to shut down and restart with a new map |
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| 20:53.29 | JeffM2501 | so there is no poll option for that |
| 20:54.10 | ToughShooter | aah: Do you mean for silvercat server? |
| 20:54.11 | ruskie | that would be a nice feature to implement... |
| 20:54.16 | aah | I do indeed. |
| 20:54.22 | aah | pillbox with no people is no fun. |
| 20:54.29 | JeffM2501 | silvercat has a custom script thing for it |
| 20:54.43 | aah | know how to trigger it? I've seen it done, just don't know how. |
| 20:54.50 | ToughShooter | aah: If no one is on, the maps will be switched automatically |
| 20:54.55 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, it woudl, but a lot of stuff woudl have to change, the client woudl have to know to pause everyone, and accept a resed of the world data |
| 20:55.26 | learner | silly kids |
| 20:55.26 | ruskie | maybe for bzflag 2.8 |
| 20:56.10 | blast007 | ruskie ;) |
| 20:56.16 | ToughShooter | There is a possibility how to change the map on silvercat, but I forgot how |
| 20:56.18 | learner | JeffM2501, hehe, no i hadn't seen it |
| 20:56.24 | JeffM2501 | you shoudl |
| 20:56.29 | JeffM2501 | you will find it funny :) |
| 20:56.36 | gsnedders | blast007, 2.10 then? |
| 20:56.50 | JeffM2501 | 2.2 |
| 20:56.54 | JeffM2501 | would be the next one |
| 20:56.58 | learner | JeffM2501, met one of our favorite namesakes |
| 20:57.03 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 20:57.16 | learner | one of the blogger names, iirc |
| 20:57.24 | learner | playing |
| 20:57.27 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:57.37 | JeffM2501 | doing good? or bad? |
| 20:57.40 | learner | incredibly defensive over such simple comments |
| 20:57.48 | learner | just playing |
| 20:58.09 | learner | I'd commented about how their client was incredibly jumpy from observer |
| 20:58.42 | learner | they were using ME as well, and felt the need to educate me on what that was |
| 20:58.43 | JeffM2501 | a valid obersvation |
| 20:58.47 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:59.37 | learner | no matter how many times I said I didn't care, they seemed to get more and more defensive |
| 20:59.46 | learner | heh, some serious insecurity issues there as well |
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| 21:05.17 | ToughShooter | I get seasick when I drive with "ME"ed tanks :/ |
| 21:06.04 | learner | what was wierd was a twitching that would occur if they were driving straight forward/backwards |
| 21:06.14 | learner | seemed like a bug of some sort |
| 21:06.49 | learner | i.e. it wasn't just ME effects, it was a big visual discontinuity -- maybe just visual too, dunno |
| 21:07.21 | ToughShooter | jitter? |
| 21:07.38 | JeffM2501 | he says his lag and jitter were realy low |
| 21:07.52 | learner | they were normal |
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| 21:10.20 | ToughShooter | I've observed some tanks being much more jittery than they should be according to lagstats but I saw that only ~3 times until now (and there were no lost packets, or steadily changing lag) |
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| 21:51.16 | romfis | Proxy Error (502) on "http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag" - what that here, pff :) |
| 21:54.18 | JeffM2501 | it's been haveing that problem for a while |
| 21:54.22 | JeffM2501 | anon cvs is jacked |
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| 22:53.02 | JeffM2501 | whoot |
| 22:54.05 | learner | bye bye zelazny |
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| 22:54.05 | brad2901 | we still got ibot, yay |
| 22:54.07 | JeffM2501 | it wasn't clarke? |
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| 22:54.08 | JeffM2501 | oh I'm on clarke |
| 22:54.09 | learner | heh |
| 22:55.06 | CBG | That was fun, lets go again! |
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| 22:56.07 | JeffM2501 | yay.. regresion testing is DONE |
| 22:56.07 | JeffM2501 | I can sleep again |
| 22:56.07 | DTRemenak | whee |
| 22:56.21 | JeffM2501 | welcome back |
| 22:56.21 | JeffM2501 | how was your ride? |
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| 22:59.20 | JeffM2501 | it's been a long time, but my time is finaly here |
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