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| 00:28.18 | CBG | Can anyone, by any chance, recomend a half-decent, free HTML editor for Mac OS X that will wrap text (ie, not make you scroll horizontally)...? |
| 00:28.50 | blast007 | vim |
| 00:29.02 | blast007 | ;) |
| 00:29.11 | RPG_ | it's more than a text editor? |
| 00:29.26 | blast007 | it can highlight syntax in color |
| 00:29.29 | CBG | I'll look into vim, thanks blast007. |
| 00:29.40 | RPG_ | probably havn't run acruss that feature yet |
| 00:29.45 | blast007 | CBG: that was sorta a joke :) |
| 00:29.54 | blast007 | vim is like the uber geeky text editor |
| 00:29.59 | CBG | ah. Does it wrap text to the page? |
| 00:30.01 | blast007 | terminal based |
| 00:30.09 | CBG | Doesnt bother me... |
| 00:30.15 | blast007 | you probably have it |
| 00:30.17 | blast007 | type 'vi' |
| 00:30.34 | CBG | What I'm using now is basically text-edit without text-wrapping but with code-coloring... |
| 00:30.41 | CBG | ok, will do. |
| 00:30.48 | blast007 | I'm not sure if it highlights by default |
| 00:31.01 | Tupone | CBG: use emacs |
| 00:31.05 | blast007 | mine doesn't, but some other locations I have access to does |
| 00:31.09 | Tupone | it has an html-mode |
| 00:31.19 | CBG | Thanks tupone. |
| 00:31.29 | blast007 | it also has chess |
| 00:31.30 | CBG | There I was thinking emacs was only good for pong. :) |
| 00:31.35 | CBG | emacs rocks :D |
| 00:32.03 | Tupone | and if you need a psychiatrist, there is one there too |
| 00:32.11 | CBG | Yep. :) |
| 00:32.28 | CBG | Though I just end up going around in circle with her(?)... :( |
| 00:32.38 | CBG | I guess I need a more experienced quack. |
| 00:34.08 | CBG | Bah... I'm lost in emacs now. Where the heck is the html-mode hidden? |
| 00:36.13 | Tupone | do alt-x html-mode <ret> |
| 00:36.34 | Tupone | normally is auto-selected |
| 00:37.42 | CBG | That's not getting me anywhere... |
| 00:37.53 | CBG | I should hold ALT and press x, right? |
| 00:38.18 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:38.36 | CBG | Thats what I did... |
| 00:38.53 | blast007 | http://www.uwo.ca/IP/emacs-html.html |
| 00:38.54 | CBG | Just takes me to the "buffer for notes I dont want to save..." |
| 00:39.47 | Legoguy | i started work on a bzflag map highlighter way back when, but the format has changed a bit ;O |
| 00:40.40 | Tupone | CBG try to open an html file you want to change and see what happen |
| 00:41.03 | CBG | How do I open files in emacs? :/ |
| 00:42.09 | blast007 | google |
| 00:42.29 | blast007 | http://vertigo.hsrl.rutgers.edu/ug/emacs_qref.html |
| 00:42.40 | uso | ctrl-alt-meta-shift-something ;) |
| 00:43.00 | blast007 | C-x C-f |
| 00:43.32 | blast007 | where C is Ctrl |
| 00:43.39 | CBG | Thanks. |
| 00:44.00 | CBG | Lacks color-coding though.. |
| 00:44.23 | CBG | I think TextEdit can wrap text, so after all that, its no improvement on what I have. |
| 00:44.24 | blast007 | maybe your terminal lacks color |
| 00:44.38 | CBG | Maybe. |
| 00:44.42 | Tupone | CBG: inside emacs go to options |
| 00:44.59 | CBG | You'll have to explain how... sorry. |
| 00:45.00 | Tupone | click Syntax Highlight and save |
| 00:45.13 | Tupone | Save Options |
| 00:45.19 | brlcad | M-x font-lock-mode |
| 00:45.46 | Tupone | hey brlcad. Trying to growup an emavs adept :) |
| 00:45.53 | blast007 | http://www.jedit.org/ |
| 00:46.18 | PrezKennedy | great editor |
| 00:47.23 | CBG | brlcad: That seems to make some tect coloured, but not the contents of the html file I open. |
| 00:47.55 | Tupone | CBG: does it says now html, or sgml ? |
| 00:48.03 | CBG | Yes. |
| 00:48.14 | brlcad | which emacs are you using? |
| 00:48.30 | CBG | No idea. Where might it say? |
| 00:49.01 | Tupone | when you did alt-x font-lock-mode does it says enabled or disabled? is a toggle |
| 00:49.18 | CBG | ugh, pass. |
| 00:50.09 | CBG | Ah, it was enabled. |
| 00:51.20 | CBG | jEdit looks neat. I'll try that. |
| 00:54.22 | RPG_ | is 12ms pretty good resposne time for a LCD screen? |
| 00:55.40 | CBG | jEdit won't wrap my text? Tss... |
| 00:58.49 | CBG | Hmm, wraps new text, not old...? |
| 00:58.59 | blast007 | heh, handy |
| 00:59.10 | CBG | Bah! |
| 00:59.11 | blast007 | plus it's java based |
| 00:59.20 | CBG | I need it to wrap the old... |
| 01:00.02 | blast007 | there's Mozilla's Nvu, but I hate that program |
| 01:00.11 | blast007 | it reformats my syntax when I look away ;) |
| 01:01.15 | CBG | And there doesnt seem to be a way to put it back to normal after splitting the window. *sigh* |
| 01:01.45 | Tupone | ctrl-x 1 |
| 01:02.06 | CBG | Ah, I see it. |
| 01:04.43 | CBG | But, without wrapping existing text, this is pointless. :( |
| 01:04.59 | Tupone | you want wrapped ? |
| 01:05.14 | CBG | Yes. |
| 01:05.28 | Tupone | Options, 4th raw |
| 01:05.53 | CBG | Options? Are you talking about emacs? |
| 01:05.59 | Tupone | yep |
| 01:06.02 | CBG | I'm onto jEdit now. It has no options. |
| 01:06.08 | Tupone | ahh |
| 01:06.11 | CBG | Hehe :) |
| 01:06.27 | CBG | emacs wouldnt colour the html file I opened. |
| 01:06.42 | CBG | Like TextEdit. |
| 01:07.01 | CBG | jEdit colors the text but wont wrap, like my current html editor. |
| 01:09.43 | Tupone | I can use only 1 SSL certificate for all vhost :( I didn't know before |
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| 02:32.59 | meacan | CBG: jedit -> options -> editing -> word wrap, change from "none" to soft or hard |
| 02:33.22 | RPG_ | soft or hard? |
| 02:33.35 | CBG | meacan: doesnt affect text from preexisting html file that I opened with jEdit. |
| 02:33.35 | RPG_ | "Would you like your text served soft or hard?" |
| 02:33.42 | CBG | RPG_ tss... :P |
| 02:34.20 | meacan | CBG: copy-paste it :) |
| 02:34.27 | CBG | Tried. |
| 02:34.36 | CBG | PIt wont wrap pasted text either. |
| 02:34.42 | CBG | Seems pretty dumb. :P |
| 02:35.46 | meacan | cbg: tried this plugin: "Jalopy is a source-code formatting tool for Java." ? |
| 02:36.12 | RPG_ | and textedit edits it like a rich text file right? |
| 02:36.14 | CBG | I need a new app. AND a plugin for it to get free, coloured, wrapped html code for mac...? lol |
| 02:36.52 | meacan | well, its pretty easy to install a plugin in jedit :) |
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| 03:11.47 | spldart | Odd BZFlag linux compile question. If I have a fast machine running debian with a nice new k7 smp 'my workstation' kernel and an old debian with a latest k6 kernel 'my everything server' and I keep them both up to date and generally do complies with the same tools is there much issue in compiling on the fast machine just to get latest BZFS's for the slower machine? |
| 03:13.22 | spldart | Cuz it means the difference between a bit over half and hour to compile on one machine and about 2 to 3 minutes to compile on the other. |
| 03:13.23 | menotume | http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/screg.png <== even seen so many reged users ? |
| 03:13.51 | spldart | That's alot 8-0 |
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| 04:33.41 | Guest443 | What do you really hate about BZFlag |
| 04:34.44 | benplaut | the fact that the cnsole can't be resized seperate from the radar |
| 04:34.51 | benplaut | ...and that i kinda suck at it :P |
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| 06:29.14 | spldart | I lied :( 4 minutes from make -j3 to finished this time :( |
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| 13:20.16 | TheUnspeakableOn | hi folks |
| 13:20.35 | meacan | hi |
| 13:21.20 | TheUnspeakableOn | how do i set the server conf file to accept only red and green players? -mp ................. ? |
| 13:21.34 | TheUnspeakableOn | please beg beg |
| 13:22.28 | TheUnspeakableOn | :) |
| 13:22.39 | TheUnspeakableOn | anyone? |
| 13:23.56 | Tupone | -mp 0,3,3,0,0,0 perhaps |
| 13:24.11 | TheUnspeakableOn | mnay thanks Tupone |
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| 15:05.50 | spldart | Not many playan on bzfs2.1 but 2.0 has been BUSY tonight :) |
| 15:11.35 | spldart | Registered player JO MAMA is being a pain 69.28.129.166 ... language and insults |
| 15:12.11 | menotume | what server ? |
| 15:12.46 | spldart | He was on my server ' all capping' suck my @$%^ and stuff |
| 15:12.59 | spldart | no biggy.. banned him |
| 15:13.09 | spldart | Just thought I'd pass that on since he's registered |
| 15:18.08 | spldart | ~bzfquery spldart.bakadigital.com:5154 |
| 15:20.52 | spldart | ~bzfquery spldart.bakadigital.com:5155 |
| 15:20.57 | spldart | hehe |
| 15:26.22 | spldart | ~bzfquery spldart.bakadigital.com:5154 |
| 15:26.29 | spldart | It's full :) |
| 15:35.36 | menotume | uh, spldart, that ip you posted is webchat.bzflag.bz |
| 16:08.15 | spldart | sorry.. 69.117.62.41 |
| 16:10.09 | spldart | heh.. I ban the right ip then quote the wrong one here... yeesh |
| 16:10.33 | Birdie | its a sunday for every one |
| 16:11.48 | spldart | Hope I'm not so brain drained later. Gotta pull the carbs on the kawi and clean and balance them |
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| 16:13.16 | kristalino | hi |
| 16:13.35 | kristalino | i'd like to setup a bzflag server locally, can you help me ? |
| 16:16.14 | Tupone | ~bzfs |
| 16:16.16 | ibot | well, bzfs is the BZflag server, you need: -publicaddr server.name.com:5154 *and* -public " come play here" must be set in your bzfs.conf, *also* open the port (5154 in this case) in your firewall/router *also* see http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer, or see http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 16:17.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: Removing unused variable |
| 16:22.41 | kristalino | Tupone, actually, i'd like to setup a bzflag server named : the two castle. Do you know how to create an exact copy of a public server already existing ? |
| 16:23.05 | kristalino | (and if it's possible, i heard about graphics saved only locally) |
| 16:23.24 | Tupone | option -> save game |
| 16:24.04 | kristalino | Tupone, yeap is it enough ? because with this i only get the map, but not the parameters of the server, iirc :/ |
| 16:24.26 | Tupone | I think you get, look at it |
| 16:24.30 | kristalino | like the number of shots, the options, the flags, etc. |
| 16:24.34 | kristalino | Tupone, i will :) |
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| 16:55.42 | RPG_ | IRC in an automobile? |
| 16:56.28 | spldart | IB I start thinking other cars in traffic are tanks and the whole world is a FFA |
| 16:56.38 | spldart | ;-) |
| 16:58.53 | sniperyyd | spldart: youre in an automobile?? |
| 16:59.16 | spldart | no... just went to the store... But I do have mobile internet through mini laptop |
| 16:59.35 | sniperyyd | ah |
| 16:59.36 | sniperyyd | ok |
| 16:59.49 | blast007 | I saw a plate with KDE in it ;) |
| 16:59.50 | spldart | I used to message, post on bb's and put up pictures from competitions I went to live from my car |
| 17:00.03 | sniperyyd | ;) |
| 17:00.26 | sniperyyd | k bye im gonna play some games. |
| 17:00.31 | spldart | cyah |
| 17:00.54 | krystalino | Tupone, i tried bzfs -conf myfiledsaved.bzw, and it doesn't work. |
| 17:01.04 | krystalino | anyone knows why ? |
| 17:01.19 | spldart | so you ran bzfs -conf |
| 17:01.22 | spldart | and in conf file |
| 17:01.25 | Tupone | your world is a world |
| 17:01.29 | spldart | you have world your world |
| 17:01.29 | blast007 | that's the world file, not the configuration |
| 17:01.54 | blast007 | bzfs -world myfilesaved.bzw |
| 17:02.04 | krystalino | mmm... ok, i try |
| 17:02.43 | krystalino | blast007, "Unknown BZDB variable: _cullDist" is what i get |
| 17:02.58 | spldart | err |
| 17:03.02 | blast007 | then your bzfs is too old |
| 17:03.03 | spldart | incompatible versions |
| 17:03.13 | blast007 | either upgrade, or take that line out of the file |
| 17:03.14 | spldart | oopsy.. to many chiefs helping... sorry |
| 17:04.21 | krystalino | blast007, version 2.0.4.20050930 tho |
| 17:04.31 | blast007 | only be in 2.0.5 builds then |
| 17:04.37 | krystalino | ok i try to remove the line |
| 17:05.18 | Nichotin | is it possible to have a bzflag server set to rotate maps every n minute? |
| 17:05.35 | Nichotin | and is it possible without tossing out the clients each time? |
| 17:05.46 | _Manu_ | it is, an example is silvercat rotation server |
| 17:06.03 | spldart | Not seen anyone accomplish rotation without the clients getting kicked |
| 17:06.18 | _Manu_ | right spldart |
| 17:06.29 | Nichotin | _Manu_: ah. thanks |
| 17:08.00 | spldart | Grr... I\ hate\ spaces\ in\ my\ filenames.grr |
| 17:08.08 | Nichotin | on the other hand, I would like to find out how it is done :/ |
| 17:08.28 | _Manu_ | it's a simple script running time limited games |
| 17:08.33 | krystalino | is it "bad" to copy a world file and then create a public server ??? |
| 17:08.42 | spldart | ask permisssion! |
| 17:09.01 | spldart | from the creator of the world map and the server owner for good measure |
| 17:09.12 | RPG_ | just the map creator would be fine |
| 17:09.43 | spldart | Your right... should be... if it's not one in the same |
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| 17:10.22 | krystalino | where to ask (email ? chat on line ?) |
| 17:10.41 | krystalino | are the world files protected by copyright ? |
| 17:10.50 | _Manu_ | krystalino, what map? |
| 17:10.51 | spldart | Although I'll usually make changes if someone is already hosting that same map... Legoland FFA already existed so I'm RC |
| 17:11.26 | krystalino | _Manu_, silvercat, twocastle, and gamesunited |
| 17:11.51 | RPG_ | generally maps are released under no license |
| 17:12.28 | krystalino | RPG_, so can i use these three maps ? Or wich one is free to use ? |
| 17:12.34 | _Manu_ | a map running in a server is private if hasn't been released under certain license |
| 17:13.14 | krystalino | _Manu_, so do you think that i could use these maps ? |
| 17:13.21 | _Manu_ | I guess no |
| 17:13.25 | krystalino | :/ |
| 17:13.30 | _Manu_ | only gpl or public maps |
| 17:13.48 | krystalino | _Manu_, do you know where to download gpl or public maps ? |
| 17:13.59 | _Manu_ | yes, there are many sites |
| 17:14.12 | _Manu_ | bzflag at sourceforge has a few ot them |
| 17:14.19 | _Manu_ | s/ot/of/ |
| 17:14.40 | RPG_ | more at http://www.garrettsites.net/bzmaps/ |
| 17:14.48 | _Manu_ | silvercat is running a few public maps, gamesunited iirc is running Helix |
| 17:14.55 | _Manu_ | and Viper is not public |
| 17:14.59 | Nichotin | _Manu_: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4252&highlight=map+rotation+script - this script? |
| 17:15.13 | _Manu_ | Nichotin, not seen, but try it |
| 17:15.19 | krystalino | does anyone know these maps and know if they are gpl/free too use : silvercat, twocastle, and gamesunited ? |
| 17:15.21 | _Manu_ | it's easy to do |
| 17:15.56 | _Manu_ | Viper wrote the Two Castles, then Pimpinella translated it to bzflag 2.0 and id also has changes mines |
| 17:15.57 | Nichotin | ok, so basically this thing kills bzfs and relaunch it per map? :/ |
| 17:16.07 | _Manu_ | Nichotin, no |
| 17:16.11 | Nichotin | what script do you use, then? |
| 17:16.13 | _Manu_ | the server finish after a prefixed time |
| 17:16.25 | _Manu_ | there is a bzfs option to limited play |
| 17:17.11 | krystalino | _Manu_,ok. Do you know if helix is free, and if the ctf map from games united (4 colors) is free too ? |
| 17:17.19 | brlcad | technically, maps are no different than any other content -- the creator holds a copyright on them (at least in most countries) implicitly even if there is no statement or license |
| 17:17.23 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 17:17.33 | krystalino | _Manu_, both ? |
| 17:18.00 | _Manu_ | I think gamesunited is running Helix |
| 17:18.06 | _Manu_ | or a variant |
| 17:18.34 | brlcad | in practice, though, it's a game and sharing/borrowing maps is pretty common in bz (not that you shouldn't ask a map maker for permission first, you probably should unless they posted it up on a site for download) |
| 17:19.06 | krystalino | http://www.garrettsites.net/bzmaps/index.php?page=mapdetail&id=40 ... Viper seems free too ...o.O _Manu_ |
| 17:19.18 | _Manu_ | krystalino, no, viper is not |
| 17:19.29 | _Manu_ | I admin Viper |
| 17:19.38 | _Manu_ | and Pimpinella of course |
| 17:19.59 | krystalino | well look at this link above, everyone can download it on the site ... |
| 17:20.09 | _Manu_ | and I think it's better to look for a new map |
| 17:20.12 | krystalino | "Attempt at 2.0ing the Two Castles before they changed their map at Viper.pimpi" |
| 17:20.16 | brlcad | krystalino: i meant if the creator posts it |
| 17:20.16 | _Manu_ | you can ast at the forums |
| 17:20.20 | brlcad | not just any joe |
| 17:20.39 | _Manu_ | s/ast/ask |
| 17:21.45 | _Manu_ | for Viper.. actually Pimpinella is who made almost all the work |
| 17:21.55 | _Manu_ | and it's for Viper not for other server as you can imagine |
| 17:22.21 | _Manu_ | that's why the server is named Viper and not other thing |
| 17:23.26 | brlcad | krystalino: if it's a real pain, then don't use their map and make your own ;) |
| 17:23.37 | _Manu_ | krystalino, if you want a map, can ask for example ducatiwannabe. He will be glad to let you one |
| 17:23.56 | _Manu_ | you can contact him at my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 17:24.01 | krystalino | brlcad, sorry, i have no knowledge for this, and this doesnt interest me at all :) |
| 17:24.25 | spldart | Your doing private server right? |
| 17:24.38 | _Manu_ | spldart, he asked for public |
| 17:24.39 | krystalino | my goal is to provide more server (and know if i can publish it publically) |
| 17:24.41 | spldart | ah |
| 17:24.47 | krystalino | spldart, that is the question :) |
| 17:24.55 | krystalino | if maps are protected, i won't |
| 17:24.56 | brlcad | so instead you'll rather mooch off their hard work and complain when you have to just contact them and ask for permission? :) |
| 17:25.06 | spldart | Was going to say poke around bzbb map releases look at screenshots and post a request to use in the thread |
| 17:25.33 | krystalino | brlcad, i don't know how to contact them (for example gamesunited, silvercat) |
| 17:25.47 | spldart | heck.. use that default random map in the conf file... |
| 17:25.57 | krystalino | spldart, heh :) |
| 17:25.58 | spldart | blocks and pyramids random |
| 17:26.06 | krystalino | lol, yessss :) |
| 17:27.23 | brlcad | krystalino: it's not hard to contact people for either of those -- they are popular servers |
| 17:27.30 | krystalino | i'll setup an helix server if it's free :) |
| 17:27.31 | brlcad | if you don't see how, you're not trying |
| 17:27.36 | krystalino | np about that map ? |
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| 17:28.16 | brlcad | speaking of silvercat.. |
| 17:28.37 | krystalino | brlcad, yeap :) |
| 17:28.41 | spldart | his ears must have been burning |
| 17:29.06 | spldart | :) |
| 17:30.36 | brlcad | krystalino: there are a slew of openly available maps that have been posted up on http://sf.net/projects/bzflag under the "World Files" link that you should be able to use |
| 17:31.25 | brlcad | almost 250 maps there |
| 17:31.43 | krystalino | brlcad, thank you :) |
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| 17:34.33 | _Manu_ | krystalino, for silvercat just join #silvercat and ask there |
| 17:34.42 | krystalino | _Manu_, ok, thanks |
| 17:36.21 | krystalino | yeah ! ducati is free :D |
| 17:36.45 | _Manu_ | of course, it's random :) |
| 17:39.44 | krystalino | mmm ??? o.O |
| 17:40.04 | krystalino | i didn't know |
| 17:40.09 | krystalino | great map tho :) |
| 17:40.18 | _Manu_ | if you run bzfs with no world you get it :) |
| 17:44.21 | krystalino | mmm |
| 17:44.31 | krystalino | no that's not the map i'm thinking about ... |
| 17:44.36 | krystalino | ducati is ctf |
| 17:44.39 | silverfox | are there any "pay" maps? |
| 17:49.05 | _Manu_ | silverfox, if you are interested I can write one for you ;-p |
| 17:50.32 | spldart | lol |
| 17:51.33 | orange_away | krystalino: pillbox |
| 17:51.52 | orange_away | check silvercat.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 17:51.55 | orange_away | I think it's running there right now |
| 17:52.01 | orange_away | full-time |
| 17:53.13 | krystalino | orange_away, mmm, i don't understant your post ... |
| 17:53.17 | krystalino | s/t/d |
| 17:53.26 | orange_away | the map you want is pillbox |
| 17:53.30 | krystalino | mm ok |
| 17:53.33 | orange_away | and it's running at silvercat.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 17:53.49 | krystalino | is it free to use for a public server ? |
| 17:53.57 | orange_away | as far as I know |
| 17:54.50 | orange_away | but like silverfox says, I'm not totally sure why you would want to run a public one |
| 17:54.50 | orange_away | but go for it :-) |
| 17:54.50 | krystalino | :-) |
| 17:55.29 | orange_away | ~bzfquery hepcat.bzflag.org |
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| 18:08.43 | meacan | ± |
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| 18:15.20 | spldart | hrm... how much habenero do I add to my hot picante... |
| 18:18.09 | Snow_Shelter | spldart: the whole bottle? |
| 18:20.24 | spldart | large bottle pace picante |
| 18:20.59 | spldart | I have two peppers... thinkng of liquifying one and adding it |
| 18:24.37 | silverfox | if I've patched files, then do a CVS update, does it basically ignore the files that are patched? Is it good practice to wipe out the directory, before doing a cvs update? |
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| 18:45.21 | spldart | ok... cvs update? There's a way to grab the 100+ meg of files needed to compile bzflag and then once in a while just update what has changed and recompile? |
| 18:46.36 | Chestal | silverfox: CVS tries to merge your changes with the ones in the repository |
| 18:47.44 | Chestal | silverfox: basically, if the changes are at different parts of the file, it will succeed, at least syntactically. If not, CVS reports a conflict which you will have to resolve manually |
| 18:55.24 | silverfox | yes, that is what Imean by cvs update. |
| 19:03.26 | JeffM2501 | it will try to merge them |
| 19:03.27 | JeffM2501 | if it can |
| 19:03.39 | JeffM2501 | so no, you don't have to remove the patch stuff |
| 19:03.55 | JeffM2501 | it should try to keep the patch changes mixed in wtih the new CVS changes |
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| 19:21.10 | silverfx | $ cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag checkout -r v2_0branch bzflag |
| 19:21.10 | silverfx | cvs [checkout aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 19:21.12 | silverfx | what's that about? |
| 19:21.33 | spldart | cvs has been very buggy for me :( |
| 19:21.49 | SilverFox | I'm pretty sure this is pebcak, not cvs. |
| 19:21.56 | spldart | ah |
| 19:22.06 | SilverFox | just not sure on the details. ;) |
| 19:25.18 | blast007 | SilverFox: did you login first? |
| 19:25.41 | JeffM2501 | no that is prety much cvs telling you that it got no data |
| 19:26.08 | SilverFox | What causes that JeffM2501? |
| 19:26.27 | JeffM2501 | the server being pissy |
| 19:26.34 | JeffM2501 | annon cvs isn't so stable |
| 19:26.37 | SilverFox | ah, so try again later? |
| 19:26.41 | JeffM2501 | ya |
| 19:27.35 | SilverFox | JeffM2501, I wrote a script that looks through my patches directory, and deletes any files that were patched in my src dir. Is that the best way to make sure that when I cvs update, I'll get fresh files? |
| 19:27.59 | JeffM2501 | there is a "get clean" optiion that will replace any local changes |
| 19:28.08 | JeffM2501 | and remove your patches |
| 19:28.19 | JeffM2501 | or cvs will just merge the cvs changes into your patched files |
| 19:28.26 | JeffM2501 | that's one of it's main functions |
| 19:29.29 | SilverFox | hrm... is that trustworthy? |
| 19:29.40 | JeffM2501 | it's a merge |
| 19:29.49 | JeffM2501 | if it has problems you'll have a conflict and the code won't compile |
| 19:30.08 | JeffM2501 | it's the same as what happens when we update, and are in the middle of local changes when developing |
| 19:30.28 | JeffM2501 | it is not some little use feature |
| 19:30.41 | JeffM2501 | it is one of the main reasons we use CVS |
| 19:30.42 | brlcad | SilverFox: it's trustworthy, you just have to pay attention to what it tells you |
| 19:30.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:30.52 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't do any magic |
| 19:31.04 | brlcad | you can't just say "update" and ignore it assuming there wasn't a merge problem |
| 19:31.05 | JeffM2501 | if it can't merge, it will put both sets of code in, and flag it |
| 19:38.32 | SilverFox | problem is I don't have the experience with cvs that makes me comfortable with it (hence the question) |
| 19:39.01 | spldart | It was being pissy with me too :( |
| 19:39.13 | Chestal | SilverFox: if you do unpatch ; cvs up ; patch then you can really just do cvs up |
| 19:39.22 | SilverFox | I wonder if there is a project that uses cvs to compare track changes in cisco device configs. That'd be handy at work. |
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| 19:52.08 | spldart | lol |
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| 20:00.44 | meacan | ²³´³ |
| 20:00.48 | meacan | argh |
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| 20:02.54 | spldart | lol @ soviet russia |
| 20:04.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (10 files in 3 dirs): Initial implementation of bzfs 'nagware' plugin. |
| 20:10.04 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/plugins/nagware/nagware.cpp: Change debugging defines (doh). |
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| 20:11.54 | TD-Linux | corrupt stack around 'msg' |
| 20:11.56 | TD-Linux | oh well |
| 20:12.08 | menotume | TD-Linux: there's a fix for that |
| 20:12.17 | menotume | "don't run 8 bots" |
| 20:12.23 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 20:12.24 | TD-Linux | that works |
| 20:12.26 | menotume | :D |
| 20:13.02 | TD-Linux | it looks reaaaaaaallllly good |
| 20:13.02 | spldart | umm |
| 20:13.06 | spldart | the timing |
| 20:13.25 | TD-Linux | huh? |
| 20:13.32 | spldart | *** ' ' joined the games as Invalid team from 24.159.197.101 |
| 20:13.37 | TD-Linux | yeah |
| 20:13.37 | spldart | then |
| 20:13.39 | TD-Linux | yours didn't work |
| 20:13.48 | spldart | *** ' ' left the game a bunch of times |
| 20:13.52 | spldart | ic |
| 20:14.02 | TD-Linux | that was when I was trying 16 bots |
| 20:14.04 | spldart | did that happen with other 2.1's |
| 20:14.08 | TD-Linux | I don't know |
| 20:14.10 | spldart | Mine is 'no bots |
| 20:14.12 | TD-Linux | this is the first 2.1 I compiled |
| 20:14.24 | TD-Linux | yeah, that's why they left, no bots |
| 20:14.35 | TD-Linux | it |
| 20:14.53 | TD-Linux | I'm going to try SSE2 for fun :) |
| 20:15.08 | spldart | since it's a test server maybe I should allow bots |
| 20:15.39 | spldart | but keep the 6 rogue 2 observerr team restrictions |
| 20:15.50 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 20:16.03 | spldart | what was the no bot conf file setting? |
| 20:18.22 | TD-Linux | -auto? |
| 20:18.27 | TD-Linux | -noauto? |
| 20:20.48 | spldart | the bzfs conf setting to dissallow bots |
| 20:21.00 | TD-Linux | that's what I thought it was |
| 20:21.04 | TD-Linux | 'man bzfs' |
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| 20:22.04 | TD-Linux | -prohibitBots? |
| 20:23.01 | spldart | found it.. |
| 20:23.17 | spldart | ok... Bots are allowed on my 2.1 test server now |
| 20:23.22 | spldart | 6 total players |
| 20:23.25 | spldart | 2 observers |
| 20:23.42 | TD-Linux | nehehe |
| 20:24.01 | TD-Linux | hi! |
| 20:24.22 | spldart | LOL |
| 20:24.44 | spldart | It appears to be working for yah |
| 20:24.46 | TD-Linux | wow, these are dumb bots |
| 20:24.53 | spldart | yes... yes they are |
| 20:25.43 | spldart | Didn't think that the only people who are going to be jumping on a 2.1 server are prolly not going to abuse bots priveledge let alone ther are a rarity |
| 20:26.23 | TD-Linux | hmm... there is nobody else to play with |
| 20:26.49 | spldart | I've had maybe a dozen visistors on 2.1 server in 10 days |
| 20:26.57 | TD-Linux | it crashed again |
| 20:27.04 | JeffM2501 | it's development, what do you expect |
| 20:27.06 | spldart | 2.0.x has been stuff off and on all day |
| 20:27.08 | spldart | I know |
| 20:27.10 | spldart | :) |
| 20:27.15 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 20:27.20 | JeffM2501 | if your just going to play with bots, then run local, don't flood a server with your lame bots |
| 20:27.23 | DTRemenak | TD-Linux: if it crashes, fix it :) |
| 20:27.26 | spldart | bots crashed tdlinux? |
| 20:27.33 | TD-Linux | yup |
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| 20:27.43 | spldart | we should know if bots work though |
| 20:27.56 | DTRemenak | TD-Linux: if it crashes, fix it :) |
| 20:28.04 | TD-Linux | my anonymous cvs for bzflag isn't working right now.... |
| 20:28.04 | JeffM2501 | and that testing can be done local |
| 20:28.07 | JeffM2501 | wtih debuging |
| 20:28.15 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 20:28.16 | spldart | ok... true that |
| 20:28.18 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 20:28.23 | TD-Linux | hmmmm |
| 20:28.26 | DTRemenak | #include "common.h" |
| 20:28.27 | TD-Linux | I'll test with 4 bots |
| 20:28.30 | DTRemenak | oops |
| 20:28.31 | spldart | I'l leave bots on for a tad |
| 20:28.34 | spldart | though |
| 20:29.07 | spldart | but I think I'll reduce team count a bit |
| 20:30.10 | spldart | TD-Linux.. it'll be 6 rogue, 2 observer till next reboot so have fun.. Then 4 rogue 2 observer with bots on for a while |
| 20:30.29 | TD-Linux | yay |
| 20:32.45 | spldart | Reboot for new team rule will be when your finished on mine |
| 20:33.44 | TD-Linux | ow |
| 20:33.46 | TD-Linux | crashed again |
| 20:33.51 | spldart | hrm |
| 20:33.53 | TD-Linux | I could go longer though :) |
| 20:34.12 | spldart | any idea what is happening right before you crash off? |
| 20:34.22 | TD-Linux | np |
| 20:34.23 | TD-Linux | no |
| 20:34.27 | TD-Linux | did you type a message? |
| 20:34.39 | TD-Linux | because the crash is a corrupt stack around 'msg' |
| 20:35.06 | spldart | last think I got from you was "sweet" "looks like this many bots is fine" "the problem..... |
| 20:35.36 | spldart | I had just typed "sweet" to the "bots if fine" |
| 20:35.54 | spldart | lemme me check my log |
| 20:36.17 | TD-Linux | lots of places with 'msg' |
| 20:36.36 | TD-Linux | lots of variables and functions |
| 20:36.37 | spldart | AH!! |
| 20:36.51 | TD-Linux | ? |
| 20:36.58 | spldart | I typed lagstats and you and your bots instantly ECONNRESETEPIPED |
| 20:37.10 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 20:37.13 | TD-Linux | test |
| 20:37.19 | spldart | K |
| 20:39.03 | TD-Linux | died |
| 20:39.08 | TD-Linux | ahh |
| 20:39.21 | TD-Linux | Stack around the variable 'msg' was corrupted |
| 20:39.30 | spldart | Interesting |
| 20:39.41 | spldart | and 5 sec later your bots epiped out |
| 20:39.43 | TD-Linux | that's in the gz_stream struct |
| 20:39.58 | TD-Linux | it's in NetHandler |
| 20:40.10 | TD-Linux | winsock something too |
| 20:40.21 | TD-Linux | and in z_stream_s struct |
| 20:40.47 | spldart | now your getting beyond what I can help with... My help is limited to running a server and reporting bugs and learning from the effort ;) |
| 20:40.55 | TD-Linux | lol |
| 20:40.58 | TD-Linux | mine is less |
| 20:41.04 | TD-Linux | I'm just handy with the Class View |
| 20:41.08 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 20:41.16 | spldart | hehe |
| 20:41.35 | TD-Linux | I think it's this MessageCountMap msg[2] |
| 20:41.44 | TD-Linux | it could overflow the array |
| 20:41.53 | TD-Linux | that's all i know about corrupt stacks |
| 20:41.57 | TD-Linux | :P |
| 20:42.07 | spldart | :dunno: :) |
| 20:42.27 | TD-Linux | Visual C++ 2005 EE can't optimize... |
| 20:42.41 | spldart | my bzfs isn't crashing though... It just seems to be the client or the client is recieving bad info from bzfs that doesn't cause bzfs to go tango uniform |
| 20:43.11 | Pimpinella | krystalino: the map viper runs is free, you can use it under the tems of GPL. the map you posted a link to is _not_ the one running on viper, but another rewrite by ducatiwannabe. The original 2Castles map was written by viper and i know of no license under which it was published, so you should consider it non-free. |
| 20:43.55 | krystalino | Pimpinella, ok. But it's on the download site mentionned up there. |
| 20:44.19 | Pimpinella | viper's original map? |
| 20:52.58 | gsnedders | Pimpinella, any idea of when your gonna get whatever http server back up on viper's? |
| 20:54.51 | krystalino | Pimpinella, i really don't know if it's the original or not. wait i look for the link |
| 21:21.45 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, 2k5 took out all optimisations |
| 21:22.10 | TD-Linux | weird |
| 21:22.17 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 21:22.21 | TD-Linux | I thought it was supposed to add it back from 2004 |
| 21:22.23 | JeffM2501 | they didn't buy anyone anything |
| 21:22.24 | TD-Linux | *2003 |
| 21:22.28 | JeffM2501 | 2003 has em |
| 21:22.37 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 21:22.45 | TD-Linux | the windows SDK has it, dosen't it? |
| 21:23.05 | TD-Linux | I suppose it won't let me switch compilers either |
| 21:23.07 | TD-Linux | oh well |
| 21:23.16 | TD-Linux | it runs fast enough for me anyway :) |
| 21:23.26 | JeffM2501 | the windows SDK is not a compiler |
| 21:23.45 | JeffM2501 | it is headers and libs |
| 21:24.19 | TD-Linux | I thought it came with one |
| 21:24.37 | JeffM2501 | 2k5 will allways do "blended" for it's release optimisations |
| 21:24.49 | TD-Linux | well.. that's OK |
| 21:28.23 | TD-Linux | ow |
| 21:28.31 | TD-Linux | 2.1 crashed without any bots |
| 21:28.58 | krystalino | i don't find the link i used :/ |
| 21:29.04 | _Manu_ | heh |
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| 21:31.28 | blast007 | TD-Linux: 2.1 has been crashing for me too, after being on a server for about 15 seconds |
| 21:31.33 | blast007 | only in release build |
| 21:31.41 | blast007 | debug it works fine :/ |
| 21:31.55 | TD-Linux | I'm in debug |
| 21:32.01 | TD-Linux | argh |
| 21:32.04 | TD-Linux | cvs update worked once |
| 21:32.11 | spldart | hrm.. I hadn't had any crashes yet |
| 21:32.27 | TD-Linux | but then I got some 'need merges' |
| 21:32.36 | TD-Linux | so I deleted those and tried to do another cvs update |
| 21:32.42 | TD-Linux | of course, it dosen't work now :( |
| 21:33.42 | TD-Linux | all anonymous broke again |
| 21:33.43 | spldart | I SWEAR i've had the most uppity tankers in my 2.0.x server today :eek: |
| 21:33.46 | _Manu_ | krystalino, your link is this: http://www.garrettsites.net/bzmaps/index.php?page=mapdetail&id=60 |
| 21:33.50 | _Manu_ | but it isn't viper map |
| 21:34.00 | _Manu_ | as Pimpinella said |
| 21:34.27 | krystalino | so it shouldn't be a problem to use it isnt it ? |
| 21:34.36 | krystalino | Pimpinella, links up ^ |
| 21:34.39 | _Manu_ | nor this: http://www.garrettsites.net/bzmaps/index.php?page=mapdetail&id=41 |
| 21:34.55 | _Manu_ | if Pimpinella agree no |
| 21:36.28 | krystalino | Pimpinella, ? |
| 21:37.09 | _Manu_ | he is not here |
| 21:37.21 | krystalino | yep |
| 21:37.23 | krystalino | ;/ |
| 21:37.48 | _Manu_ | no, he is not here, only his name ;) |
| 21:38.14 | krystalino | i agree :) |
| 21:38.29 | krystalino | s/yep/i agree :) |
| 21:38.57 | _Manu_ | he says it's under GPL so you can use it |
| 21:39.22 | _Manu_ | he wrote the 2.0 versioin |
| 21:39.30 | _Manu_ | s/versioin/version/ |
| 21:39.47 | krystalino | yep |
| 21:39.51 | krystalino | perfect |
| 21:40.11 | _Manu_ | and I added/fixed some things |
| 21:40.44 | _Manu_ | but I still think is not a good idea having two servers running the same map |
| 21:41.18 | CBG | _Manu_: Unless they run different modes, or just have completely different settings...? |
| 21:41.35 | _Manu_ | settings are secret ;) |
| 21:41.43 | CBG | heh |
| 21:41.52 | _Manu_ | he can download the map, but not the settings |
| 21:41.58 | CBG | Yes, yes... |
| 21:42.04 | CBG | I was talking in general. |
| 21:42.57 | CBG | There are, I think, 3 Planet MoFos. This is acceptable, imo, as they are each unique. |
| 21:43.00 | _Manu_ | you know there was another server ruining viper map |
| 21:43.07 | CBG | They share the same map, but have different settings |
| 21:43.08 | _Manu_ | s/ruining/running ;) |
| 21:43.14 | CBG | There was? |
| 21:43.24 | _Manu_ | yes, I died once server |
| 21:43.36 | CBG | Heh. News to me.. |
| 21:44.01 | _Manu_ | with a crazy config |
| 21:44.05 | _Manu_ | like ultraspeed |
| 21:44.23 | _Manu_ | but it was for 1.10 |
| 21:44.24 | CBG | Yep, sounds like I_Died_once. :) |
| 21:44.34 | _Manu_ | now he plays at viper :) |
| 21:44.40 | CBG | :D |
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| 21:48.58 | CBG | hey hey sussi :) |
| 21:49.05 | sussi | hi |
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| 21:49.42 | CBG | Hi bz6793 :) |
| 21:49.46 | sussi | the bookworms 2 : easy kill 5 |
| 21:50.07 | sussi | if i cant send to bzleague i can here report |
| 21:50.57 | sussi | can anybody enter pls ? |
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| 22:00.14 | blast007 | sussi: #bzleague? |
| 22:00.18 | brad2901 | sussi: if you can't join #bzleague you'll need to identify with nickserv |
| 22:00.35 | blast007 | yeah, it's +R right now :) |
| 22:00.41 | brad2901 | and if you can't talk, just ask an OP |
| 22:02.35 | sussi | it took some times until i could write |
| 22:02.58 | sussi | could u report? |
| 22:03.55 | meacan | i can report for you sussi |
| 22:04.44 | sussi | many thx meacan |
| 22:05.23 | meacan | sussi: who is bookworms? |
| 22:05.28 | orange_away | sussi, come back to #bzleague |
| 22:05.52 | meacan | sussi: is it a match for my.bzflag.org/league ? |
| 22:06.18 | sussi | ducati match, easy_kill is only ducati team |
| 22:08.50 | meacan | sussi: no team match "book" or "worm". Are you sure the guys you played exists? :) |
| 22:09.52 | sussi | 1 sec |
| 22:10.56 | sussi | uhm tracerbullets against rb3 and bookworm |
| 22:10.58 | meacan | sussi: is it tracebullets? |
| 22:11.01 | meacan | ah |
| 22:11.04 | sussi | sry |
| 22:11.34 | sussi | matrixe start to edit a little http://people.freenet.de/easy_kill |
| 22:12.14 | meacan | sussi: its entered. You team gained 30 points |
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| 22:12.50 | sussi | oh thx |
| 22:12.59 | meacan | sussi: looks nice |
| 22:13.54 | meacan | sussi: want me to add your homepage to "links" ? |
| 22:14.12 | sussi | not yet is not ready |
| 22:14.39 | meacan | sussi: ok, lets us know when you want it added :) |
| 22:15.11 | sussi | whats about that ?http://www.willempen.org/wiki/easy_kill |
| 22:15.20 | sussi | http://www.willempen.org/wiki/easy_kill |
| 22:16.49 | Tupone | menotume: ping |
| 22:16.51 | meacan | darn you guys password protected the secrets :) |
| 22:18.09 | CBG | hehe |
| 22:18.35 | sussi | u couldnt read the strategie site? |
| 22:19.09 | sussi | in private isnt any usefull at the moment |
| 22:19.32 | meacan | sussi: yes i can (looks nice too - i think it would be a good resource for new teams) |
| 22:22.41 | orange_away | well, sussi, when you rejoin #bzleague, you should automatically get voice now |
| 22:24.02 | sussi | it looks as it works |
| 22:24.50 | sussi | good teams knowing everything already ;) |
| 22:25.38 | sussi | but also not to linked yet, it will go as staatic site to our web-site |
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