| 00:00.05 | spldart | Ok... Now I have two listing on that server list site.. one for my 2.0.x and one for my 2.1.x |
| 00:00.06 | spldart | Thanks |
| 00:00.27 | spldart | I'll let yah know if this fixes my on and off the list problem |
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| 00:03.50 | spldart | Would anyone be so kind as to tell me an easy way to find out when something has been updated in the bzfs cvs so I can have fun compiling and staying on the bleeding edge. :~D |
| 00:05.38 | spldart | I'm sure someone has ibot setup to respond to queries into latest code changes or something :) |
| 00:09.10 | Tupone | spldart: there is a mailing list you can subscrib to |
| 00:10.51 | spldart | oh? |
| 00:10.59 | spldart | oops |
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| 00:45.36 | orchid | anyone kno why kick/ban are no longer in the 'o' quick keys? |
| 00:46.17 | TD-Linux | spldart: does your computer run at night? |
| 00:46.45 | TD-Linux | you can schedule it |
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| 00:47.12 | TD-Linux | I suppose that's pretty obvious, though ;) |
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| 00:56.15 | spldart | My server? 24/7... Debian terminal only |
| 00:56.29 | spldart | my workstation 'i'm on now' |
| 00:56.33 | spldart | almost 24 7 |
| 00:57.44 | blast007 | you could do a cron job that runs a script to download the latest cvs, compile it, copy the binaries to a temporarly location, like bzfs.temp along side your other binaries |
| 00:58.22 | blast007 | then, have your bzfs server script look for bzfs.temp when they restart, delete the old binary, rename the new one, and use that |
| 00:58.38 | blast007 | that would be risky though, if the new binary didn't work ;) |
| 00:59.17 | spldart | holy crap... That's more bleeding edge than I think I'm willing to try 8-0 |
| 00:59.59 | spldart | I just wanted to be able to check on it easy then.. if I were so inclined.. do a compile and restart manually |
| 01:00.20 | blast007 | you can simulate an update to see how many files were updated |
| 01:00.55 | spldart | Hope to also be helpful by being one of the unique machines guinea pigging a software update |
| 01:00.56 | blast007 | but the mailing list is your best bet, or use the RSS feed on the CIA site |
| 01:01.13 | spldart | prolly doing the mailing list |
| 01:01.52 | spldart | Wow... never thought that the cron job thingy was a possibility. Crazy bleeding edge |
| 01:02.31 | spldart | how do I get on the list anyway? |
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| 01:10.32 | blast007 | spldart: http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bzflag-commits |
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| 01:20.18 | spldart | thank you |
| 01:25.59 | spldart | It's amazing... 2 processors.. 4.6 ghz of processing power, a gig of ram, a nice sized raid 0. and I'm still wanting more cuz I'm tired of waiting so long for the last batch of jobs to finixh so I can start a new one :( |
| 01:28.17 | blast007 | dang, I'm happy with a 1.6GHz laptop :) |
| 01:29.54 | spldart | Heh... I'm still making do with a Panasonic Toughbook with only 700mhz of processor... Small but a bit feeble |
| 01:31.46 | blast007 | yeah, I have a 700Mhz laptop that is pretty much just my webserver/fileserver right now |
| 01:32.11 | blast007 | then I have an 800Mhz desktop that I do most of my gaming on (sad, yes) |
| 01:32.43 | spldart | :( |
| 01:33.08 | orange_away | orchid: could be hideadmin makes your client think you don't have access, even if you do |
| 01:34.01 | spldart | My toughbook doesn't even have enough acceleration to make bzflag practical.. to slow :( |
| 01:34.44 | spldart | hrm...... playing bzflag..... |
| 01:53.49 | spldart | God I love the smell of this game. It smells like.... Victory. |
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| 02:32.34 | spldart | Nighty night |
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| 10:22.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (32 files in 7 dirs): visual studio 8 compatibility checkin. builds (with warnings) and runs. |
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| 13:39.14 | kahcepb[RU] | hi there |
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| 14:22.21 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00Hi. |
| 14:22.36 | sniperyyd | hi |
| 14:22.39 | sniperyyd | how did u do that? |
| 14:22.45 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00What? |
| 14:22.48 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00Do what? |
| 14:23.03 | sniperyyd | i see the text coloured and blinks white and back |
| 14:23.05 | sniperyyd | black |
| 14:34.22 | meacan | please stop that Digital_Pioneer |
| 14:34.44 | sniperyyd | meacan: u see it blinking too? |
| 14:35.15 | meacan | yes, and its annoying. :) |
| 14:35.21 | sniperyyd | k |
| 14:35.29 | sniperyyd | tell one of the admins ;) |
| 14:35.37 | sniperyyd | i mean of the @'s |
| 14:36.59 | meacan | No need to. Some channels its "cool" to do this - this isnt one of them :) |
| 14:37.08 | brlcad | he doesn't need to, it's a standing channel guideline to not use colored, blinking, underlined, etc text where it doesn't convey anything |
| 14:37.32 | sniperyyd | meacan: ok |
| 14:37.38 | sniperyyd | brlcad: k |
| 14:38.12 | sniperyyd | brlcad: so , you'll be kicking him? |
| 14:38.44 | brlcad | why would I kick him? |
| 14:39.06 | sniperyyd | cuz uses blinking text |
| 14:39.39 | brlcad | well, i'm sure that know that he/she knows they're not supposed to, they can fix it |
| 14:39.57 | sniperyyd | ok |
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| 14:40.37 | brlcad | i'd be more inclined to kick people for asking too many rediculous questions ;) |
| 14:40.47 | sniperyyd | ;) |
| 14:43.52 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00If I use blinking text, it's probably because you don't have my font. |
| 14:45.01 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00IDK how to blink text. |
| 14:45.45 | brlcad | Digital_Pioneer: irc is inherintly fontless, so you should turn any markup you have off |
| 14:46.02 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00My text blinks to you too then? |
| 14:46.26 | brlcad | Digital_Pioneer: it's irrelevant but no it does not -- shows up bold and in color |
| 14:47.12 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00INteresting. |
| 14:47.23 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00Your clients all handle it differently. |
| 14:47.32 | brlcad | Digital_Pioneer: either fix it, or your voice will be removed |
| 14:47.46 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00Testing. |
| 14:48.00 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00Is it gone? |
| 14:48.04 | brlcad | no |
| 14:48.09 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00Well! |
| 14:48.29 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00I'm using non-formatted, non-colored, Times New Roman. |
| 14:48.36 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00How much plainer can I get?! |
| 14:48.58 | brlcad | check your options, depends on the client |
| 14:49.09 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00Trillian. |
| 14:49.26 | Digital_Pioneer | 01,00And I just finished changing my options to plain all around. |
| 14:49.49 | Digital_Pioneer | Still three? |
| 14:49.52 | Digital_Pioneer | *there? |
| 14:50.39 | Digital_Pioneer | Did you remove my voice, or are you just ignoring me? |
| 14:50.50 | brlcad | that's better |
| 14:51.00 | Digital_Pioneer | *sigh* |
| 14:51.57 | brlcad | irc isn't about markup, with the right people, they would have been very mad by now ;) |
| 14:52.16 | Digital_Pioneer | Well it's not my fault.' |
| 14:52.22 | brlcad | understand |
| 14:52.23 | Digital_Pioneer | What does it look like to you now? |
| 14:52.39 | Digital_Pioneer | Arial? TNR? Courier? |
| 14:53.21 | Digital_Pioneer | NVM. |
| 14:53.23 | brlcad | it's different for everyone, i can set it to be whatever I prefer locally |
| 14:53.31 | Digital_Pioneer | I can too. |
| 14:53.45 | Digital_Pioneer | But now I can't set any of my IM's fonts to anything else. |
| 14:53.50 | brlcad | what I send to you, though, is just text |
| 14:54.14 | brlcad | trillian is not a great irc client |
| 14:54.30 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah, well, as you said... |
| 14:54.31 | brlcad | maybe better for im, but not so great for irc |
| 14:54.35 | Digital_Pioneer | IRC is only about text. |
| 14:54.45 | Digital_Pioneer | And that's what I'm doing, so it must be working. |
| 14:55.30 | brlcad | gaim is in a similar boat -- not great for irc, but okay for im |
| 14:55.30 | Digital_Pioneer | I wonder why the UIRA people never complained. |
| 14:55.36 | meacan | Digital_Pioneer: this is how i see your text: http://dennis.moellegaard.dk/tmp/digital_pioneer.png :) |
| 14:55.41 | Digital_Pioneer | GAIM is ugly. |
| 14:56.24 | Digital_Pioneer | I guess it works. |
| 14:56.49 | Digital_Pioneer | Personally, I prefer skinned, emoticoned, font controlled chat. |
| 14:56.57 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, I now get 2/3 of that. |
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| 14:59.43 | Digital_Pioneer | And now what I joined for in the first place... Working on the app. |
| 15:00.14 | Digital_Pioneer | Is there a list somewhere for needed stuff? LOL |
| 15:00.28 | brlcad | for whatever it's worth, here's what it looks like in irssi: http://bzflag.bz/tmp/pioneer.jpg |
| 15:01.29 | brlcad | it'll look the same as that in 95% of irc clients for that matter |
| 15:01.42 | Digital_Pioneer | I prefer Trillian. |
| 15:01.44 | brlcad | xchat, irssi, bitchx.. all pretty close |
| 15:01.57 | Digital_Pioneer | So, I certainly didn't see any bolding or underlining. |
| 15:02.02 | Digital_Pioneer | Except on your name. |
| 15:02.48 | Digital_Pioneer | So... Is that the /me command used in the game? |
| 15:02.55 | Chestal | brlcad: what does umode 6 do? |
| 15:02.58 | Digital_Pioneer | Obviously. |
| 15:03.10 | brlcad | Chestal: I forget.. |
| 15:03.26 | brlcad | maybe whallops |
| 15:03.33 | brlcad | er, wallops |
| 15:04.32 | brlcad | Digital_Pioneer: yep, a lot of the in-game commands are based on irc syntax |
| 15:04.44 | brad2901 | Chestal: I think that is for allowing PMs from unregged users |
| 15:05.07 | Digital_Pioneer | Interesting. |
| 15:05.19 | brlcad | ah, that could be it |
| 15:05.23 | brlcad | +w is wallops |
| 15:05.55 | Chestal | hmm, thought that was a nickserv option. Or does that set the user mode? Whatever |
| 15:05.56 | brlcad | Digital_Pioneer: there's plenty to do if you're looking to get started coding |
| 15:06.24 | Digital_Pioneer | Well, in the truest sense of the words, I am looking to GET STARTED coding. |
| 15:06.37 | Digital_Pioneer | BTW, is capping allowed, or is that too formatted? |
| 15:07.03 | brlcad | it's fine in moderation like everything else ;) |
| 15:07.22 | brlcad | getting started with bz or getting started coding for the first time in anything? |
| 15:07.32 | Digital_Pioneer | I've done very little coding. |
| 15:07.34 | brlcad | i.e. "can you code?" |
| 15:07.37 | brlcad | ah |
| 15:07.40 | trepan | i'll ask this again: anyone able to explain the need for the color junk in SceneNode.h ? |
| 15:07.44 | Digital_Pioneer | But I am quite able with imagery and audio. |
| 15:08.09 | trepan | has something to do with MING32, and it's butt ugly |
| 15:08.18 | Digital_Pioneer | And one more thing. I'm on Windows, and therefore have eternal trouble compiling. |
| 15:08.25 | trepan | plus, the color override junk should no longer be necessary |
| 15:09.04 | trepan | (if you find an offending call, remove it) |
| 15:09.19 | Digital_Pioneer | Trepan: why are you under 'voice' header in my useres list? Are you talking via audio to the rest of them? |
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| 15:09.29 | trepan | Digital_Pioneer: hush |
| 15:09.41 | Nichotin | any way to get a command list for bzadmin? |
| 15:10.17 | brlcad | trepan: not sure, but tim was the last to touch those lines |
| 15:10.31 | trepan | heh, then die they shall |
| 15:10.40 | trepan | Nichotin: on newer servers, /? |
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| 15:10.50 | Nichotin | ah, I found http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ServerCommands |
| 15:11.00 | trepan | ah, was it me? ;) |
| 15:11.08 | Nichotin | trepan: thanks. I found the list on the wiki right now too |
| 15:11.37 | brlcad | trepan: tim only touched by merging from 1.7.. still not sure where they came from |
| 15:11.50 | trepan | Nichotin: newer clients (2.0.4+ iirc), also have the /cmds commands |
| 15:12.22 | trepan | that'll show ya the clients local command list (/saveworld, etc...) |
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| 15:13.34 | Nichotin | trepan: /? does not work on mine |
| 15:13.38 | Nichotin | running 2.0.4 |
| 15:14.00 | Nichotin | no, wait |
| 15:14.10 | Nichotin | forget what I just said |
| 15:14.10 | Guu | I've never heard of what I just said, Nichotin! |
| 15:14.53 | trepan | bots should be quiet unless explicitly prompted, nay Guu? |
| 15:17.26 | Nichotin | can everything be changed with bzadmin? like, can a rabbit chase game be changed to capture the flag on the fly? |
| 15:18.19 | trepan | no, that requires a server restart |
| 15:18.23 | Nichotin | :( |
| 15:18.36 | Nichotin | ah, the bzfs man page has all the commands as well |
| 15:18.55 | trepan | the BZDB variables can be changed though, tank speed, shot speed, and a plethora of others |
| 15:19.05 | trepan | type: /set to see the list |
| 15:19.05 | Nichotin | yeah |
| 15:19.09 | Nichotin | i saw those |
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| 15:50.51 | Nichotin | what values for -a works out? |
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| 16:23.16 | Nichotin | err |
| 16:23.21 | Nichotin | how can one disable teams? |
| 16:23.33 | Nichotin | and just have a plain free for all match where you kill everyone? |
| 16:23.42 | brad2901 | do you want just rogues? |
| 16:24.17 | Nichotin | yeah |
| 16:24.29 | brad2901 | -mp 10,0,0,0,0,5 -- the 10 is the number of rogues, 5 is number of observers |
| 16:24.37 | Nichotin | ah |
| 16:24.40 | Nichotin | thanks |
| 16:24.45 | Birdie | ~brad2901++ |
| 16:24.45 | brad2901 | :) |
| 16:26.41 | Nichotin | -autoteam does not work? |
| 16:26.41 | Nichotin | ah, -autoTeam |
| 16:26.41 | Nichotin | :/ |
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| 16:54.00 | jh` | hi |
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| 17:02.09 | jh` | hi sportchick |
| 17:02.21 | SportChick | jh`: hiya |
| 17:02.50 | Nichotin | any way to get clients to autorejoin or something after doing a /gameover? |
| 17:03.05 | jh` | how r u? |
| 17:03.11 | brad2901 | Nichotin: nope |
| 17:03.17 | Nichotin | :( |
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| 17:09.06 | jh` | hi blue eyes |
| 17:09.42 | Blue_Eyes | Hey Jh :) |
| 17:10.23 | jh` | whats shaking? |
| 17:12.10 | Blue_Eyes | bha.....nothing im at work again :( |
| 17:12.47 | Birdie | ciao bello brotherç |
| 17:12.50 | Birdie | working hard? |
| 17:13.17 | jh` | hi birdie |
| 17:13.23 | Birdie | heya jh |
| 17:14.04 | Blue_Eyes | I have made some match on 1vs1 before |
| 17:14.11 | Blue_Eyes | hey Birdooo |
| 17:14.13 | jh` | sorry for asking but do bz player chat her or? |
| 17:14.23 | jh` | here |
| 17:14.35 | Birdie | #bzchat and #bzleague are more for that actually |
| 17:16.43 | jh` | this is more of dev room? |
| 17:17.11 | Birdie | more for people who have trouble, stuff from the game wich isnt working, etc |
| 17:17.21 | Birdie | but its used for chats to somethimes though |
| 17:17.22 | jh` | ok |
| 17:24.21 | brad2901 | ~ping |
| 17:24.27 | ibot | pong |
| 17:24.32 | blast007 | hmm |
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| 18:01.39 | JeffM2501 | good 'morrow my good Tupone |
| 18:02.01 | Tupone | hola |
| 18:02.15 | Tupone | Mexico? |
| 18:03.14 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 18:03.18 | JeffM2501 | if I decide to go |
| 18:17.17 | DTRemenak|RDP | JeffM2501: fyi, I checked in a set of fixes for vc8...works for me now. |
| 18:18.19 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak cool |
| 18:18.25 | JeffM2501 | and in 7.1 still? |
| 18:18.36 | DTRemenak | dunno, I don't have 7.1 installed |
| 18:18.43 | JeffM2501 | so same projects then |
| 18:18.52 | DTRemenak | no, new set of projects |
| 18:18.54 | DTRemenak | vc8 dir |
| 18:19.03 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:19.07 | JeffM2501 | in head or branch? |
| 18:19.10 | DTRemenak | head |
| 18:19.27 | JeffM2501 | I'll try the vc8 ones in 7.1, if they work we can have just one VC dir |
| 18:19.37 | DTRemenak | I doubt they'll work |
| 18:19.41 | JeffM2501 | so do I |
| 18:19.45 | JeffM2501 | but can't hurt to try |
| 18:19.48 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 18:19.54 | JeffM2501 | then at least we can say we made sure of it |
| 18:20.08 | JeffM2501 | how was 8? |
| 18:20.12 | DTRemenak | the upgrade wizard made a pretty big fuss over it |
| 18:20.14 | JeffM2501 | and what did you mostly have to change? |
| 18:20.28 | DTRemenak | big thing was telling it to STFU about deprecation stuff |
| 18:20.32 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 18:20.40 | JeffM2501 | so you just disabled it, didn't fix it |
| 18:20.47 | DTRemenak | had to move common.h to the top of a few files |
| 18:20.58 | JeffM2501 | should not affect anyone else |
| 18:21.21 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: it's fixed. the "insecure" string functions are not going to be removed in future versions, according to microsoft |
| 18:21.26 | JeffM2501 | wonder if it builds with exppress |
| 18:21.43 | JeffM2501 | heh, won't even open the projects in 7 |
| 18:21.53 | DTRemenak | and there is no clean way to use the secure versions |
| 18:21.58 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:22.06 | JeffM2501 | so then no reason to change them |
| 18:22.14 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 18:22.25 | JeffM2501 | rebuilding in 7.1 now to make sure nothing got busted |
| 18:22.29 | DTRemenak | the POSIX-namespace stuff is a bit stranger, and might have to be fixed sometime |
| 18:22.34 | JeffM2501 | since I can't upgrade to 8 at work |
| 18:22.40 | DTRemenak | there were also a couple of real errors |
| 18:22.43 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:22.57 | DTRemenak | nothing major though |
| 18:23.02 | JeffM2501 | how was the IDE? |
| 18:23.06 | DTRemenak | renamed a variable in regex, and some other stuff |
| 18:23.14 | DTRemenak | the debugger kicks ass even more than 7.1's does |
| 18:23.18 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:23.20 | DTRemenak | the ide isn't changed much |
| 18:23.29 | JeffM2501 | 7.1 added a lot of nice things over 6 |
| 18:23.44 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 18:23.56 | JeffM2501 | at work, we still haven't released our first product using 7.1 yet |
| 18:24.01 | DTRemenak | seriously? |
| 18:24.03 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:24.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:24.25 | JeffM2501 | takes us about a year to do a version |
| 18:24.31 | DTRemenak | ah, and the biggest challenge was getting curl+c-ares to work in vc8. |
| 18:24.37 | JeffM2501 | and we cant change compilers till ALL our 3rd party libs move over |
| 18:24.52 | DTRemenak | I've got a curl 7.15.1 dll/lib for vc8 if anyone needs it |
| 18:25.07 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 18:25.15 | JeffM2501 | maybe we should upload and any other deps as a "dev package' |
| 18:25.19 | JeffM2501 | with ziped source too |
| 18:25.57 | JeffM2501 | at some point I'm going to change the structures in the API around a little |
| 18:26.04 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 18:26.09 | JeffM2501 | verion them up and stuff to make binary compatability work better |
| 18:26.21 | JeffM2501 | but I have to find the motication |
| 18:26.58 | JeffM2501 | motivation even |
| 18:27.06 | JeffM2501 | have some hud ideas too |
| 18:27.13 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm not sure that everyone would "get" it |
| 18:30.28 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:30.52 | JeffM2501 | it woudl make the visual feedback for movement, the same for any input device |
| 18:31.04 | JeffM2501 | basicly, take out the 2 boxes |
| 18:31.21 | JeffM2501 | replace them with a compas circle and a real crosshair |
| 18:31.34 | DTRemenak | hm. the boxes are also the bounding boxes for mouse scaling |
| 18:31.37 | JeffM2501 | then but some altitude brackets ont he side |
| 18:31.42 | JeffM2501 | yes, they are |
| 18:31.44 | JeffM2501 | I want to change that |
| 18:31.54 | JeffM2501 | and make the mouse use a real "sensitivty" setting |
| 18:31.59 | JeffM2501 | then I get rid of the cursor |
| 18:32.16 | JeffM2501 | and put a long bar under the sight, and 2 verticals on the side |
| 18:32.33 | DTRemenak | sensitivity won't work correctly for what we do with it |
| 18:32.33 | JeffM2501 | the bars show where your input wants to be ( fill in from the middle to the dir you want ) |
| 18:32.45 | JeffM2501 | dtremenakI know I want to change what we do with it :) |
| 18:32.51 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:33.05 | JeffM2501 | then it shows where you want to go in that axis ( scaled by the sentivity ) |
| 18:33.39 | JeffM2501 | and a marker for where the tank is on this frame ( using it's acceleraton ) |
| 18:34.14 | JeffM2501 | then you can set a sensitivity that makes the mouse move very fast |
| 18:34.25 | JeffM2501 | but the tank is still limited by it's accelration |
| 18:34.27 | JeffM2501 | and it's "fair" |
| 18:34.40 | DTRemenak | I'd have to see it in action, but I don't think I'd like it terribly much, and I'm not sure it accomplishes anything :) |
| 18:34.47 | JeffM2501 | mostly it would mean turning the mouse into incremental motion |
| 18:35.02 | JeffM2501 | I think at normal setins it would play the same |
| 18:35.03 | Grumbler | DTR is a glitch player |
| 18:35.08 | DTRemenak | lol |
| 18:35.10 | JeffM2501 | but yes, It totaly needs testings |
| 18:35.20 | JeffM2501 | it was just an idea I had |
| 18:35.34 | JeffM2501 | THEN I want to put markers on the compas ring for where important thigns are |
| 18:35.39 | JeffM2501 | like where your flag is relivive to you |
| 18:35.44 | JeffM2501 | where your hunted target is |
| 18:35.47 | JeffM2501 | teammates |
| 18:35.49 | JeffM2501 | waypoints |
| 18:35.51 | JeffM2501 | etc... |
| 18:36.01 | Grumbler | axeing the radar in the process |
| 18:36.12 | JeffM2501 | no the radar would still be there |
| 18:36.17 | DTRemenak | heh, with normal settings I think it would still be very different. If I get you correctly you'll be removing the direct correlation between position and velociity |
| 18:36.20 | JeffM2501 | but I want to detach it from the chatbox |
| 18:36.44 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak I'm making it more consitent with the other input methods |
| 18:37.00 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: it already is very consistent. basically it turns the mouse into a joystick |
| 18:37.01 | JeffM2501 | the tank should perform the same regardless of chosen input method |
| 18:37.11 | JeffM2501 | yes, distance from center |
| 18:37.21 | JeffM2501 | I'm even ok leaving it that way |
| 18:37.29 | JeffM2501 | I just want to remove the cursor and change the visual cue |
| 18:37.44 | DTRemenak | hmm |
| 18:37.44 | JeffM2501 | because I want to use the mouse cursor for freaking menus |
| 18:37.52 | DTRemenak | nooooooooooo |
| 18:37.55 | JeffM2501 | YESSSSS |
| 18:38.03 | Grumbler | have to second that yes |
| 18:38.10 | DTRemenak | then how can you drive in the background? |
| 18:38.10 | JeffM2501 | my cell phone has a beter menu UI then bzflag |
| 18:38.19 | DTRemenak | your cell phone uses a mouse? |
| 18:38.21 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak keys :) |
| 18:38.25 | JeffM2501 | yes it does actualy :) |
| 18:38.29 | DTRemenak | the KEYS are for the menus :) |
| 18:38.35 | DTRemenak | not for driving, silly man |
| 18:38.42 | JeffM2501 | then the cursor shoudl be hidden when the game starts up |
| 18:38.51 | DTRemenak | I'm cool with that |
| 18:38.59 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak people should be able to chose what they use for each thing |
| 18:39.13 | DTRemenak | I think I get your thing about the indicators on the hud |
| 18:39.25 | JeffM2501 | I may draw it up this weekend |
| 18:39.37 | DTRemenak | basically replacing the cursor with markers whos cross-point indicates what would be the cursor position |
| 18:39.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:39.43 | DTRemenak | I'm down with that |
| 18:39.49 | JeffM2501 | splits the axes |
| 18:39.55 | JeffM2501 | then it can work also for keys and sticks |
| 18:40.04 | JeffM2501 | and have the same feedback |
| 18:40.08 | DTRemenak | also removes the illusion that you can click on anything with your cursor |
| 18:40.10 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 18:40.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:40.22 | DTRemenak | I can totally go for that |
| 18:40.24 | JeffM2501 | frees up the center of the screen too |
| 18:40.30 | JeffM2501 | for a real shot crosshair |
| 18:40.34 | JeffM2501 | since that's where you'll shoot |
| 18:40.52 | DTRemenak | crosshair will get in the way of seeing long-range unless it's done very carefully. |
| 18:40.58 | DTRemenak | but we can have options for that too |
| 18:40.59 | JeffM2501 | there are ways to do it |
| 18:41.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:41.03 | JeffM2501 | many types |
| 18:41.29 | JeffM2501 | then we allow the cursor for menus ( you can disable it if you want ), and then when the CURSOR is up, it means you can click |
| 18:41.47 | JeffM2501 | like on my uber joystick, it has a mouse on the throttle |
| 18:41.52 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 18:41.56 | JeffM2501 | it could be cool to use that mouse to pick in game menu stuff |
| 18:42.02 | JeffM2501 | and still drive with the sticks |
| 18:42.15 | JeffM2501 | tho it's more of a tracknipple rather then a mouse |
| 18:42.35 | Grumbler | nice not to lose window focus everytime the mouse goes out of screen either |
| 18:42.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:42.49 | DTRemenak | I still reserve judgement about the clicking in menus thing. But I'll go for the improved hud |
| 18:43.10 | JeffM2501 | well you are a die hard CLI guy |
| 18:43.12 | JeffM2501 | so it makes sense |
| 18:43.16 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:43.35 | JeffM2501 | but with a redone hud, then we could keep the cursor hidden in the muenus |
| 18:43.40 | JeffM2501 | so people know they CAN'T click |
| 18:43.44 | DTRemenak | yeah, exactly |
| 18:43.47 | JeffM2501 | then it is at least consistent |
| 18:44.06 | JeffM2501 | I'd never REMOVE keys for menus tho |
| 18:44.08 | DTRemenak | and I think your speed/acceleration indicators would be cool too |
| 18:44.24 | JeffM2501 | I think the round compas would be neat |
| 18:44.30 | JeffM2501 | specialy with indicators |
| 18:44.38 | DTRemenak | a circle for the compass would make the flag/hunt markers show up much, much better |
| 18:44.43 | JeffM2501 | I'd also like to add a "Lock ON" box for GM targets |
| 18:44.47 | JeffM2501 | like in a fighter hud |
| 18:44.52 | DTRemenak | heh, I did that once |
| 18:45.11 | DTRemenak | be nice to have an indicator when someone has a lock on you too |
| 18:45.20 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to add a "lock on" time too, but that would change gameplay |
| 18:45.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:45.38 | JeffM2501 | it could also be cool to show a warning when you are the victim of a near miss |
| 18:45.45 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 18:45.51 | JeffM2501 | like a flash or marker int he direction of the atack |
| 18:46.04 | JeffM2501 | but that may be too powerfull |
| 18:46.12 | DTRemenak | usually you can see it anyway |
| 18:46.17 | DTRemenak | on radar if not on the screen |
| 18:46.17 | JeffM2501 | if we had health, then it would make less of an impact |
| 18:46.21 | Grumbler | and that might change gameplay a whole lot |
| 18:46.29 | DTRemenak | health is for wusses |
| 18:46.33 | JeffM2501 | all the info is on radar allready |
| 18:46.38 | JeffM2501 | I want to move it to the hud |
| 18:46.43 | JeffM2501 | so you don't have to keep looking down |
| 18:46.52 | DTRemenak | gm lock is not on the radar bud :) |
| 18:47.03 | JeffM2501 | the fact that SO many people play by radar, indicates the "heads up display" is not so good at being "heads up" |
| 18:47.22 | JeffM2501 | it tells me it's a poor design |
| 18:47.32 | DTRemenak | actually it indicates that we have a really nice radar system, and the hud hasn't kept up properly |
| 18:47.33 | JeffM2501 | if the goal is to provide info so you can keep your eyes on the game |
| 18:47.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:47.46 | JeffM2501 | the radar provides much more info |
| 18:47.57 | Grumbler | not sure i agree with any of those arguments |
| 18:48.06 | JeffM2501 | I'd also love to make the radar round, but I don't think that would fly :) |
| 18:48.08 | DTRemenak | I don't know of any other game that is quite as thorough about rendering radar as we are |
| 18:48.14 | DTRemenak | no, don't think it would :) |
| 18:48.26 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.28 | DTRemenak | and I think it's a good thing |
| 18:48.46 | DTRemenak | but the hud definately has some catching up to do |
| 18:48.48 | JeffM2501 | you should see the GPx Radar in motion |
| 18:48.50 | JeffM2501 | you'd like it |
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| 18:49.13 | JeffM2501 | I've been playing a lot of space combat in star wars galaxies, and seeing the things we could show |
| 18:49.15 | DTRemenak | I'd build it, but I'd have to download like 600 dependencies :) |
| 18:49.29 | JeffM2501 | actualy while you were away I removed a number of dependecys |
| 18:49.33 | DTRemenak | no way? |
| 18:49.37 | JeffM2501 | all you need is freetype |
| 18:49.41 | DTRemenak | sweet |
| 18:49.41 | JeffM2501 | ande libpng IIRC |
| 18:49.54 | DTRemenak | mm, freetype. work fast? |
| 18:50.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah, it renders out to a texture in ftgl |
| 18:50.14 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 18:50.18 | JeffM2501 | so it takes a bit to make the font at startup |
| 18:50.22 | JeffM2501 | but after that it's fine |
| 18:50.33 | DTRemenak | an excuse for a startup splash screen? |
| 18:50.34 | JeffM2501 | I moved FTGL into the tree since it had to be moded a bit |
| 18:50.44 | JeffM2501 | it happens so fast you can't tell |
| 18:50.47 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:51.00 | DTRemenak | not quite what I'd call "takes a bit" then ;) |
| 18:51.05 | JeffM2501 | by default it won't use a sound lib |
| 18:51.20 | JeffM2501 | but I made fmod and sdl_mixer versions of it |
| 18:51.37 | JeffM2501 | oh I think it needs curl too |
| 18:51.45 | DTRemenak | I've got curl |
| 18:51.50 | DTRemenak | with c-ares even |
| 18:51.56 | JeffM2501 | but I figured those 3 were not bad |
| 18:51.59 | JeffM2501 | oh and openGL |
| 18:51.59 | DTRemenak | does it build on vc8? |
| 18:52.03 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:52.07 | JeffM2501 | never tried |
| 18:52.07 | DTRemenak | ogl is an os component |
| 18:52.10 | Grumbler | my take on why people play by radar is not to know where bullets are coming from, but dodge on-coming bullets, i acutally like the round radar, i think the heads up display is fine, see comment on dodging bullets |
| 18:52.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah the hud isn't great for dodging |
| 18:52.52 | JeffM2501 | and I think the radar will allways be used for that |
| 18:53.02 | JeffM2501 | I just think the hud should have more nav features |
| 18:53.16 | JeffM2501 | I also have an idea for the the variation of the shot counter |
| 18:53.27 | JeffM2501 | since the current one dosnt' do well with large numbers of shots |
| 18:53.29 | Grumbler | i would like to see a "shield-strenght" multiple shot death system, just to cut down on the frustration from dying by network crapiness |
| 18:53.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah I think a health system could be fun |
| 18:53.45 | Grumbler | ...on a single shot |
| 18:53.46 | JeffM2501 | very fun |
| 18:53.56 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: it works nicely up to about 10 shots. after that it's not really necessary anyway |
| 18:53.57 | JeffM2501 | then difrent weapons could di more or less damage |
| 18:54.03 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak yeah |
| 18:54.08 | DTRemenak | but improvements are welcome :) |
| 18:54.16 | JeffM2501 | I am just thinking of taking all the "full" shots |
| 18:54.22 | JeffM2501 | and colapsing them at the top with a count |
| 18:54.30 | JeffM2501 | so you just see the shots that are reloading |
| 18:54.36 | Grumbler | although i could see a different weapon choice, i like having one and only one |
| 18:54.52 | DTRemenak | hm. might be a bit confusing, but could be cool |
| 18:54.59 | JeffM2501 | with a damage system you could make MG, do little damage but more shots |
| 18:55.11 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak yeah needs to be tested |
| 18:55.23 | JeffM2501 | maybe if it gets over N shots collaps it or something |
| 18:55.29 | JeffM2501 | I also want to make them little bullets :) |
| 18:55.30 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 18:55.33 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:55.39 | JeffM2501 | with an outline that fills up |
| 18:55.41 | DTRemenak | pie-chart style? |
| 18:55.56 | Grumbler | pie-chart reloading would look cool |
| 18:56.01 | DTRemenak | totally |
| 18:56.01 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:57.04 | Grumbler | having looked at loumans screenshots, i wouldnt mind seeing an update to the tank graphics as well |
| 18:57.15 | JeffM2501 | I've made other tanks |
| 18:57.30 | JeffM2501 | sadly most of them hover |
| 18:57.57 | Grumbler | about the only style of tank that makes sense in a game with wings and jump |
| 18:58.14 | JeffM2501 | trepan was working on that IIRC |
| 18:58.15 | Grumbler | although, i could lose wings with no regrets |
| 18:58.59 | blast007 | Grumbler :) |
| 18:59.08 | Grumbler | heh, then you get into possibly spec'ing the tank, small/fast/light armour.....my god, where is this going |
| 18:59.17 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:59.21 | DTRemenak | not without health |
| 18:59.29 | DTRemenak | not having health makes the game a lot simpler |
| 18:59.37 | Grumbler | tanks dont have health :) |
| 19:00.15 | Grumbler | i do find the idea of a nearly demolished tank smoking to be somewhat interesting.... |
| 19:00.58 | Grumbler | somewhat of the pt boats in ww2, smoke and go hide |
| 19:01.52 | JeffM2501 | I'd just be happy if you could have a shot that gave out bad flag statuses :) |
| 19:02.00 | JeffM2501 | then 2-3 shots with that gun kills the gank |
| 19:02.20 | JeffM2501 | then you could shoot people and "blow out the left tread" and make them be able to do right turns only |
| 19:02.29 | blast007 | hehe |
| 19:02.30 | JeffM2501 | tho why not just kill em |
| 19:02.40 | JeffM2501 | if you can hit them in the first place |
| 19:02.43 | blast007 | more fun to watch them spin ;) |
| 19:02.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah, mostly it would just be cruel |
| 19:03.00 | JeffM2501 | in a game with health it could be usefull |
| 19:03.07 | JeffM2501 | since it could make them easyer to hit more |
| 19:03.07 | orange | in a ctf game it could be excellent |
| 19:03.17 | JeffM2501 | or to slow them down on a flag cap |
| 19:03.19 | orange | a disabled tank is much better than killing one |
| 19:03.26 | Grumbler | and self-repairing health systems like CoD2 are lame |
| 19:03.33 | DTRemenak | orange gets it :) |
| 19:03.42 | orange | in ducati matches, killing a tank could mean he respawns closer to where you don't want him to be |
| 19:03.52 | DTRemenak | and he always respawns |
| 19:03.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 19:04.00 | DTRemenak | better to have him limping around the field |
| 19:04.19 | JeffM2501 | it would make it a bit more complex |
| 19:04.27 | orange | reduced speed/turns/shot distance |
| 19:04.31 | JeffM2501 | but I think some people ( not new players ) want a more complex game |
| 19:05.06 | Grumbler | my take is that if the maps are going louman style, you need a more complex game |
| 19:05.12 | JeffM2501 | I still stand by my claim that we should have 2 projects |
| 19:05.15 | JeffM2501 | bzflag clasic |
| 19:05.16 | JeffM2501 | and bzflag 2 |
| 19:05.37 | JeffM2501 | leave clasic with boxes and pyramids |
| 19:05.42 | JeffM2501 | and make it the "intro" game |
| 19:05.58 | JeffM2501 | then bzflag 2 is the more complex game with real team tools, health, etc... |
| 19:06.05 | JeffM2501 | or bzflag "Advanced" |
| 19:06.15 | JeffM2501 | they can share tech and code for most things |
| 19:06.15 | Grumbler | how many of the truly old players are still around? |
| 19:06.21 | JeffM2501 | 9 |
| 19:06.36 | JeffM2501 | blast007, I consider you a "new" player :) |
| 19:06.39 | blast007 | heh |
| 19:06.50 | blast007 | 1.7e2 isn't new ;) |
| 19:07.04 | JeffM2501 | kinda |
| 19:07.37 | JeffM2501 | it was the last of the versions were change was feared |
| 19:07.42 | Grumbler | most of the new players i see....which are all kiddies......are looking for a free fps on par with other crap out there |
| 19:07.43 | JeffM2501 | or was that e4 |
| 19:07.52 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is a fps |
| 19:07.59 | JeffM2501 | a very very slow one |
| 19:08.32 | Grumbler | yeah, and they want something with "realism".....where you never die and take 50 shots to the head and still live :) |
| 19:09.35 | gsnedders | i still stand by the fact we lost too many good players with the move to 2.x, spliting BZflag into 2 projects will just make it even worse |
| 19:09.35 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: e6 introduced the "new" hud |
| 19:09.43 | DTRemenak | so e4 seems likely |
| 19:10.07 | DTRemenak | geez that seems like a long time ago |
| 19:10.18 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 19:10.18 | gsnedders | when? |
| 19:10.22 | JeffM2501 | yes it was |
| 19:10.36 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, or it could get more players |
| 19:10.57 | JeffM2501 | I think there would be some people that would stay on classic |
| 19:11.05 | JeffM2501 | a large number would probabl play both |
| 19:11.13 | JeffM2501 | depending on what mood they were in |
| 19:11.13 | blast007 | many people play the game because it IS simple and basic |
| 19:11.18 | Grumbler | i wouldnt bet on that.... |
| 19:11.19 | JeffM2501 | and a number would play the new one |
| 19:11.25 | blast007 | though I would play either way |
| 19:11.28 | JeffM2501 | I wouldn't bet on anything |
| 19:11.41 | JeffM2501 | but a more complex game could get new players who felt the old one was too simple |
| 19:11.45 | blast007 | right |
| 19:11.47 | gsnedders | blast007: i wouldn't play on the more new "better" more complex one |
| 19:12.06 | Grumbler | so long as it is free, they will come |
| 19:12.08 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, the comunitys would be greately releated |
| 19:12.15 | JeffM2501 | so not realy a full split |
| 19:12.36 | JeffM2501 | just cus some of your famialy likes chicken, and some likes beef, dosn't mean they all can't have dinner togethers |
| 19:12.59 | JeffM2501 | if you have a kitchen that can make both, you could end up with a very large table |
| 19:13.19 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: hmm, by that analogy we should be releasing one simple version, followed by one complex version, followed by one simple version... |
| 19:13.39 | JeffM2501 | no not courses |
| 19:13.47 | JeffM2501 | buffet :) |
| 19:13.49 | orange | more like a restaurant |
| 19:13.51 | gsnedders | LOL |
| 19:13.57 | JeffM2501 | everyone like parfett |
| 19:14.03 | orange | if a restaurant only served chicken that would limit their audience |
| 19:14.19 | JeffM2501 | tell that to ku ku roo :) |
| 19:14.36 | DTRemenak | or pollo loco |
| 19:14.43 | JeffM2501 | I don't want bzflag to be come the dennys of FPS games |
| 19:15.00 | JeffM2501 | it's an interesting quandry |
| 19:15.00 | orange | it limits.. people who don't like chicken won't go there |
| 19:15.04 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, "pollo loco"? at the end you'll speak spanish ;) |
| 19:15.05 | DTRemenak | some of the things you say are priceless, JeffM2501 |
| 19:15.13 | JeffM2501 | because there IS a split in the comunity |
| 19:15.42 | DTRemenak | _Manu_: y quien dice no ya hablo espanol? |
| 19:15.45 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking that bzflag should be more of a "the habbit" of fps games |
| 19:15.52 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, yo ;-p |
| 19:15.55 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 19:16.01 | _Manu_ | I meant you all |
| 19:16.01 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak you ever been to one |
| 19:16.08 | DTRemenak | yeah, the food sucked |
| 19:16.11 | JeffM2501 | really? |
| 19:16.14 | JeffM2501 | where was it? |
| 19:16.15 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 19:16.17 | DTRemenak | pasadena |
| 19:16.20 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 19:16.23 | JeffM2501 | ours kick ass out here |
| 19:16.31 | JeffM2501 | burgers of oh so very good quality |
| 19:16.35 | DTRemenak | err, I'm assuming you still mean pollo loco |
| 19:16.39 | JeffM2501 | oh no no |
| 19:16.42 | JeffM2501 | those places suck |
| 19:16.42 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:16.44 | JeffM2501 | I mean |
| 19:16.46 | JeffM2501 | "the habbit" |
| 19:16.49 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 19:16.53 | DTRemenak | nope, never been there |
| 19:17.06 | JeffM2501 | if you like the hamburger, I highly recomend it |
| 19:17.13 | JeffM2501 | they also have good chicken |
| 19:17.17 | JeffM2501 | and pastarami |
| 19:17.26 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 19:17.28 | DTRemenak | mm, pastrami |
| 19:17.35 | JeffM2501 | I can't stand the crazy chicken |
| 19:17.38 | orange | /kick the habbit |
| 19:17.39 | JeffM2501 | it's horrible |
| 19:18.40 | JeffM2501 | hmm not many out there by you I fear |
| 19:18.49 | JeffM2501 | glendale is the closest |
| 19:21.33 | brlcad | http://chir.ag/stuff/sand/ |
| 19:21.40 | brlcad | fun fun friday fun |
| 19:22.36 | brlcad | the habbit or the hobbit? |
| 19:23.27 | JeffM2501 | http://www.habitburger.com/ |
| 19:28.09 | brlcad | Hamburgers. The cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast. |
| 19:28.43 | JeffM2501 | I thought that was beer's job? |
| 19:29.25 | brlcad | I don't know if it was as good as a Big Kahuna burger, but I must say, it was a tasty burger! |
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| 19:44.28 | SportChick | JeffM2501: ping |
| 19:45.04 | JeffM2501 | yes |
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| 20:24.04 | tony_ | hi all need help with an error. on ubuntu bzflag just flashes and disspaears when i try to run it. anyone have an answer? |
| 20:26.46 | DTRemenak | tony_: try running it from a console window and see if it dumps out any error text |
| 20:26.55 | tony_ | sure! |
| 20:27.27 | tony_ | can i paste here? |
| 20:28.15 | tony_ | X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) |
| 20:28.16 | tony_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.16 | tony_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.16 | tony_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.16 | tony_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.16 | tony_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.17 | _Manu_ | ~paste |
| 20:28.19 | ibot | paste is probably see http://paste.husk.org |
| 20:28.33 | tony_ | oops sorry |
| 20:29.19 | tony_ | is it a gfx driver problem u think? |
| 20:30.02 | _Manu_ | it can be. Do you have 3D acceleration? |
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| 20:30.18 | tony_ | i have a card. maybe it needs some install |
| 20:30.32 | tony_ | newbie |
| 20:30.33 | _Manu_ | nvidia, ATI? |
| 20:30.39 | tony_ | nvidia 4200 |
| 20:30.57 | tony_ | but on monday its changing to something nicer |
| 20:31.18 | _Manu_ | do: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 20:31.49 | tony_ | _Manu_: sure,thanx! |
| 20:32.00 | _Manu_ | and after it: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable |
| 20:32.09 | _Manu_ | then restart your graphic server |
| 20:32.56 | tony_ | _Manu_:how is that done? |
| 20:33.11 | _Manu_ | what? |
| 20:33.23 | tony_ | _Manu_:restarting gfx server? |
| 20:33.40 | _Manu_ | fastest way is: Ctr+alt+backspace |
| 20:33.54 | tony_ | _Manu_: ill try this! |
| 20:34.20 | brlcad | tony_: it's trying to switch to a mode your setup apparently doesn't support |
| 20:34.22 | _Manu_ | this will close your desktop |
| 20:34.29 | brlcad | try running bzflag -window |
| 20:34.47 | _Manu_ | brlcad, he is using standard ubuntu then no nvidia support |
| 20:34.52 | _Manu_ | nor 3D |
| 20:35.27 | brlcad | that could be _another_ problem, but that error is a bad mode ;) |
| 20:35.35 | _Manu_ | yes, I know |
| 20:35.56 | _Manu_ | but wihtout nvidia drivers can't play bzflag :) |
| 20:36.26 | tony_ | it runs ! but looks bad so i will try the gfx drivers |
| 20:36.38 | _Manu_ | yes :) |
| 20:37.56 | tony_ | now i got "Error: your X configuration has been altered." and then some stuff about manual editing, but i guess its just to revert incase this was a mistake |
| 20:38.19 | _Manu_ | so you modified by hand the X config file :( |
| 20:38.28 | tony_ | ok so now Ctr+alt+backspace and then what do i write to start x again? |
| 20:39.12 | _Manu_ | tony_, the problem is your xorg.conf file has been modified by you probably |
| 20:39.27 | _Manu_ | that's why you get this message |
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| 20:39.42 | tony_ | _Manu_:yes i added some periferals to it |
| 20:39.49 | brlcad | _Manu_: sure you can :) |
| 20:39.58 | brlcad | might not like it, but you should be able to |
| 20:40.03 | _Manu_ | brlcad, yes if you know what you are doing ;) |
| 20:40.21 | tony_ | ahh so i need to do this manually.. well there is something on the ubuntu forums on that |
| 20:40.47 | _Manu_ | you only need to change "nv" for "nvidia" |
| 20:40.56 | _Manu_ | in the driver section |
| 20:41.07 | tony_ | all the nv to nvidia? |
| 20:41.12 | _Manu_ | only one line |
| 20:41.31 | _Manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.57 | _Manu_ | your actual config fime must say: Driver "nv" |
| 20:42.08 | _Manu_ | s/fime/file/ |
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| 20:42.28 | _Manu_ | before the change I mean |
| 20:42.36 | tony_ | ok! |
| 20:43.05 | tony_ | in small letters? |
| 20:43.23 | _Manu_ | just like I wrote it |
| 20:43.32 | _Manu_ | caps down |
| 20:43.32 | tony_ | ok i did it now |
| 20:43.37 | tony_ | so i will restart |
| 20:43.45 | _Manu_ | be back soon ;) |
| 20:44.00 | tony_ | thanx ill tell you how it went if my computer survives! |
| 20:44.04 | brlcad | cross your fingers |
| 20:44.15 | _Manu_ | if something wrong, restore to nv again :) |
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| 20:46.34 | tony_ | hey thanks! |
| 20:46.39 | _Manu_ | it works? |
| 20:46.44 | Birdie | gina! |
| 20:46.57 | tony_ | sure it looks a lot better. thanks a bunch. |
| 20:47.09 | _Manu_ | also at full screen? |
| 20:47.17 | Tupone | gina!! |
| 20:47.18 | tony_ | now i just need to read up on the controls |
| 20:47.29 | tony_ | no not full screen |
| 20:47.32 | Tupone | buon anno gina |
| 20:47.45 | _Manu_ | then probably your screen is not configured properly |
| 20:47.56 | _Manu_ | but it's another thing :) |
| 20:48.02 | tony_ | hmm probably but thanks! |
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| 20:48.21 | tony_ | see you arond |
| 20:48.23 | _Manu_ | tony_, glad to help you |
| 20:48.51 | _Manu_ | another happy player :) |
| 20:54.48 | gina | buon anno, Tupone |
| 20:54.58 | brlcad | ciao gina |
| 20:55.17 | gina | heya brlcad |
| 20:57.26 | Blue_Eyes | Ciao Tupone |
| 20:57.35 | Tupone | ciao |
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| 21:33.25 | gina | painpournicole? |
| 21:34.21 | Tupone | ehh ? |
| 21:34.43 | gina | pumpernickle is bread for the horse of Napoleon |
| 21:34.43 | Tupone | lol |
| 21:34.55 | gina | called Nicole |
| 21:35.08 | Tupone | ahh |
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| 21:49.25 | brlcad | ahhh.. heh, that's clever |
| 21:50.43 | Tupone | ~lame PuMpErNiCkLe |
| 21:50.44 | ibot | PuMpErNiCkLe is completely not lame. |
| 21:51.02 | Tupone | :/ |
| 21:52.13 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ~lame Tupone |
| 21:52.14 | ibot | Tupone is completely not lame. |
| 21:54.55 | orange | ~lart brlcad for showing me the sand page |
| 21:55.57 | brlcad | orange: hehe |
| 21:56.04 | brlcad | ~nickometer PuMpErNiCkLe |
| 21:56.27 | PuMpErNiCkLe | That can't be right.... |
| 21:56.58 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ~nickometer brlcad |
| 21:57.06 | PuMpErNiCkLe | Definitely rigged. |
| 21:57.48 | Tupone | ~nickometer Tupone |
| 21:58.04 | Birdie | ~nickometer Birdie |
| 21:58.09 | Birdie | phew |
| 21:58.15 | TD-Linux | ~nickometer TD-Linux |
| 21:58.28 | TD-Linux | ow |
| 21:58.37 | TD-Linux | ~help nickometer |
| 21:58.48 | BenUrban | ~nickometer BenUrban |
| 21:58.56 | BenUrban | thanks :) |
| 21:58.59 | BenUrban | ~karma BenUrban |
| 21:58.59 | ibot | benurban has karma of -2 |
| 21:59.03 | TD-Linux | ~nickometer #bzflag |
| 21:59.03 | BenUrban | :( |
| 21:59.19 | Birdie | how do you get lame? |
| 21:59.27 | TD-Linux | probably by using the bot |
| 21:59.37 | TD-Linux | maybe lart |
| 21:59.37 | BenUrban | ~lart TD-Linux |
| 22:00.07 | TD-Linux | ~nickometer BenUrban |
| 22:00.10 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 22:00.13 | TD-Linux | not that |
| 22:00.24 | BenUrban | ~nickometer #bzflag |
| 22:00.26 | blast007 | ... |
| 22:00.46 | blast007 | ~botpark |
| 22:00.47 | ibot | #BotPark is a channel for testing and talking to irc bots. Please do not talk to the bots too much in normal channels. You may msg them or talk in #BotPark |
| 22:03.30 | PuMpErNiCkLe | ~karma PuMpErNiCkLe |
| 22:03.30 | ibot | pumpernickle has neutral karma |
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| 22:17.38 | Pimpi | ~nickometer Pimpinella |
| 22:18.16 | gsnedders | ~nickometer gsnedders |
| 22:18.22 | gsnedders | not 100% |
| 22:18.23 | gsnedders | wow! |
| 22:20.57 | orange | ~nickometer {[(--> S00p3R C00! <--)]} |
| 22:21.30 | orange | guess I won't change to that then |
| 22:23.36 | JeffM2501 | are we done with the ibot abbuse? |
| 22:24.07 | Birdie | if ibot would only log correct, he isnt doing that for some time now:( |
| 22:28.05 | TimRiker | Birdie: huh? |
| 22:28.18 | Tupone | TimRiker: have you seen log lately |
| 22:28.21 | Tupone | ? |
| 22:28.37 | Birdie | ibot only logs for one hour mostly on all channel |
| 22:28.40 | Birdie | channels * |
| 22:28.47 | Birdie | for the rest he doesnt log at all |
| 22:28.56 | Tupone | I see only one line from yesterday |
| 22:29.28 | TimRiker | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/20060112.html.gz ohh. that's not good. |
| 22:31.01 | TimRiker | well, I'll get it fixed soon and re-run the missing logs. |
| 22:31.31 | Birdie | ~TimRiker++ |
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| 23:22.18 | TD-Linux | does BZFlag work with VC8? |
| 23:22.41 | TD-Linux | I saw the VC8 project |
| 23:22.49 | TD-Linux | it didn't work, though |
| 23:23.05 | DTRemenak | why doesn't it work? |
| 23:23.35 | TD-Linux | 3 failed: bzflag, mediafile, and platform |
| 23:23.40 | TD-Linux | I'll pastebin the build logs |
| 23:23.43 | TD-Linux | if you want |
| 23:23.53 | DTRemenak | sure |
| 23:23.55 | DTRemenak | builds for me |
| 23:24.26 | TD-Linux | I have the old Beta 2 version, maybe that's the problem |
| 23:24.29 | TD-Linux | hmmm |
| 23:24.35 | DTRemenak | could be |
| 23:24.41 | DTRemenak | try posting the log |
| 23:25.53 | TD-Linux | http://pastebin.ca/36747 |
| 23:26.14 | TD-Linux | that's for 'mediafile' |
| 23:26.57 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 23:27.04 | TD-Linux | platform failed because I was missing dinput.h |
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| 23:29.43 | TD-Linux | platform went fine now |
| 23:29.49 | TD-Linux | mediafile is the only problematic one |
| 23:30.38 | DTRemenak | for mediafile, I don't get the same thing. Try #pragma warning(disable: 4996) at the top of the affected files |
| 23:31.14 | TD-Linux | I heard they loosened up since Beta 2, that could be my problem... trying pragma... |
| 23:32.07 | TD-Linux | succeded |
| 23:32.29 | TD-Linux | wohoo |
| 23:32.33 | TD-Linux | I see a bzflag.exe |
| 23:32.43 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak, he's on express |
| 23:33.07 | JeffM2501 | it may behave difrent |
| 23:33.11 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: he's on a beta |
| 23:33.14 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 23:33.23 | JeffM2501 | that's dumb :)( |
| 23:33.35 | DTRemenak | that's why I'm not offering to actually, ya know, fix it :) |
| 23:33.43 | JeffM2501 | kids these days |
| 23:33.54 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:34.30 | TD-Linux | but I got it to work anyway :) |
| 23:34.43 | DTRemenak | exactly |
| 23:34.43 | JeffM2501 | good for you |
| 23:34.54 | JeffM2501 | yeah 4 our of 20 regresions down the hatch |
| 23:35.02 | JeffM2501 | next week will suck :( |
| 23:35.06 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:35.23 | JeffM2501 | we changed so much crap |
| 23:36.44 | TD-Linux | this is sooooooo awesome |
| 23:36.50 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak if you WANTED to see if GPX builds in 8.0 I would nto complate :) |
| 23:36.53 | JeffM2501 | complain |
| 23:36.55 | TD-Linux | my very first compile of BZFlag on Windows :) |
| 23:37.05 | JeffM2501 | since I know you'd not do the devIL build |
| 23:37.17 | JeffM2501 | and then you could fix the lib png crash :) |
| 23:37.27 | DTRemenak | where do I find it? |
| 23:37.37 | JeffM2501 | or if your in linux it should build there too |
| 23:37.42 | JeffM2501 | it's in opencombat CVS |
| 23:37.44 | DTRemenak | no, in windows right now |
| 23:37.47 | DTRemenak | just formatted too |
| 23:37.48 | JeffM2501 | GPx01 |
| 23:37.50 | DTRemenak | thus the vc8 |
| 23:37.56 | JeffM2501 | oo a clean machine |
| 23:38.02 | DTRemenak | yup yup |
| 23:38.04 | JeffM2501 | you'll need a couple libs |
| 23:38.06 | JeffM2501 | sdl |
| 23:38.08 | JeffM2501 | curl |
| 23:38.10 | DTRemenak | got curl |
| 23:38.11 | JeffM2501 | libpng |
| 23:38.14 | DTRemenak | can get sdl |
| 23:38.19 | DTRemenak | k |
| 23:38.21 | JeffM2501 | zlib |
| 23:38.30 | JeffM2501 | it'll want fmod |
| 23:38.38 | JeffM2501 | but you can remove a #def and it won't |
| 23:38.56 | JeffM2501 | there are 2 debug targets, a devil one and a libpng one |
| 23:39.12 | JeffM2501 | oh and freetype |
| 23:39.13 | DTRemenak | k |
| 23:39.27 | JeffM2501 | see I'm trying to keep the deps down :0 |
| 23:39.33 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 23:39.43 | JeffM2501 | freetype is kind of a PITA on windows |
| 23:39.49 | JeffM2501 | but I figure it's worth it |
| 23:39.56 | JeffM2501 | for real kerning |
| 23:40.03 | JeffM2501 | and extended character support |
| 23:40.14 | DTRemenak | yay TimRiker |
| 23:40.24 | JeffM2501 | yay for debuging |
| 23:40.42 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak why the wipe? new machine? |
| 23:40.49 | JeffM2501 | or just winter cleaning |
| 23:40.52 | DTRemenak | nope, just got tired of quirks |
| 23:40.57 | DTRemenak | now I have a new set |
| 23:41.01 | DTRemenak | also xp instead of 2k |
| 23:41.06 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 23:41.16 | JeffM2501 | let the ram be hoged :) |
| 23:41.19 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 23:41.32 | DTRemenak | new machine maybe sometime soon |
| 23:41.48 | JeffM2501 | PCI-E is the way to go |
| 23:42.12 | JeffM2501 | could probably get you a 6600 PCI-E in march |
| 23:42.30 | JeffM2501 | if you wanted |
| 23:43.13 | TD-Linux | DTR: thank you for running 2.1 servers :) |
| 23:43.20 | DTRemenak | TD-Linux: no problem |
| 23:44.32 | JeffM2501 | I'm suposed to get a 7800GTX at end of feb, so the 6800GS will go to Jeremy, his 6600 GT will go to his brother, and I can get back the 6600 non GT he has now |
| 23:44.46 | TD-Linux | the bullets look different for some reason |
| 23:44.59 | DTRemenak | lighting changes, I think |
| 23:45.16 | TD-Linux | they look much better |
| 23:45.17 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: cool |
| 23:45.22 | TD-Linux | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:45.23 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:45.35 | TD-Linux | wait... |
| 23:45.35 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, they probably do |
| 23:45.43 | TD-Linux | they seem to change color slightly, that's it |
| 23:45.58 | JeffM2501 | treapan works in mysterios ways |
| 23:46.05 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 23:46.11 | TD-Linux | hard to describe what is different |
| 23:46.24 | TD-Linux | more transparent? hmm |
| 23:47.17 | TD-Linux | looks like trepan's new shadows aren't in yet |
| 23:47.45 | DTRemenak | trepan checks in stuff when he feels like it, not before :) |
| 23:47.55 | DTRemenak | sometimes that means never |
| 23:48.08 | TD-Linux | wow, I like these options |
| 23:48.32 | TD-Linux | the ones that visualize stuff like the depth buffer, see the culling tree, etc |
| 23:49.01 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I'm considering building for AMD64. Know anyone with XP-64 or 2k3-64 that wants to test? |
| 23:49.02 | TD-Linux | wait.. Depth Complexity! that's different |
| 23:49.49 | JeffM2501 | I don't know of anyone who runs 64 bit windows |
| 23:49.57 | JeffM2501 | mostly because it's slow and problematic |
| 23:49.59 | DTRemenak | neither do I :S |
| 23:49.59 | JeffM2501 | bigtime |
| 23:50.10 | JeffM2501 | most things run slower |
| 23:50.25 | DTRemenak | yeah, gotta copy stuff in big chunks |
| 23:50.27 | JeffM2501 | the only apps I'v read that get an advantage are ones that need more then 4 gigs of ram |
| 23:50.38 | JeffM2501 | I'd not even bother with it |
| 23:50.47 | DTRemenak | it's the wave of the future |
| 23:51.03 | JeffM2501 | yeah.... sure... whatever |
| 23:51.13 | JeffM2501 | it'll be the future when I have a flying car |
| 23:51.48 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:53.41 | TD-Linux | I like the P180's looks, but I don't know about the inside |
| 23:54.10 | JeffM2501 | p180? |
| 23:54.12 | JeffM2501 | who makes it? |
| 23:54.40 | TD-Linux | antec |
| 23:55.38 | TD-Linux | newegg has combo deals with A64 processors, I see |
| 23:56.02 | JeffM2501 | I'm not keen on doors that open to the side |
| 23:56.15 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 23:56.20 | JeffM2501 | and it's just a metal box |
| 23:56.41 | TD-Linux | yup |
| 23:56.55 | TD-Linux | I prefer metal boxes to crazy spaceships with neon lights and windows |
| 23:57.07 | TD-Linux | too bad not many plain metax boxes are made |
| 23:57.10 | TD-Linux | *metal |
| 23:57.26 | JeffM2501 | antec dosn't make realy exciting cases |
| 23:57.31 | JeffM2501 | they are good cases |
| 23:57.38 | JeffM2501 | but like the ford truck of cases |
| 23:57.44 | TD-Linux | I have an antec sonata |
| 23:57.59 | RPG_ | pics? |
| 23:58.00 | JeffM2501 | right now I'm looking at like a vento 3600 |
| 23:58.05 | JeffM2501 | or a sunami dream |
| 23:58.15 | TD-Linux | it irritates me that Antec makes really good cases and fans, but puts cheap fans in their own cases |
| 23:58.30 | TD-Linux | I had to replace the back fan, which was too wimpy |
| 23:58.46 | TD-Linux | I have pictures |
| 23:58.46 | JeffM2501 | I'd prefer them to not come with fans at all |
| 23:59.05 | TD-Linux | there are some fan vibration dampeners at newegg somewhere that are good |
| 23:59.21 | JeffM2501 | sonta is too samll |
| 23:59.26 | TD-Linux | yesw |
| 23:59.31 | TD-Linux | it is little, itty bitty |
| 23:59.38 | TD-Linux | if you are in it often, it's bad |
| 23:59.54 | JeffM2501 | or if you have a lot of stuff that goes in it |
