irclog2html for #bzflag on 20060105

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00:21.11TuponeAribeth: finally :)
00:32.47*** join/#bzflag bryjen (n=chatzill@2002:45a6:86ae:0:0:0:0:1)
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00:33.06cybo-mobileneed an admin on secret place to kick sportcunt
00:33.39brad2901SportChick wizart, ping
00:33.59SportChickbrad2901: pong
00:34.00wizatcomppong?
00:34.08brad2901look up ^
00:34.14SportChick?
00:34.24brad2901... secretplace
00:34.26cybo-mobilegot a cheat on secret place named sportcunt
00:34.44cybo-mobileno relations I am sure chick
00:34.55wizatcompoh... xchat auto highlights anything with "wiz", sorry
00:35.32brad2901ah :)
00:36.04JeffM2501same Ips?
00:36.25SportChickgot him on secretplace
00:36.29SportChickhe's still at it
00:36.53JeffM2501if it's the same Ip's as soon as everyone reloads masterban it'll be taken care of
00:37.47Tuponecheater on gu.de
00:38.21Tuponesame nick
00:38.30cybo-mobilenow that is cool and beats the hell out of an ip range ban, that is how jewles the jackels had me handle it
00:38.35brad2901Pimpi menotume, gu :)
00:40.48SportChicknow he's on gu
00:42.10cybo-mobilemakes you wonder what people are thinking doesn't it?
00:42.20cybo-mobilewhat is gu and how did you know he was there?
00:42.48JeffM2501isn't gu reg only?
00:44.34brad2901anyone know who "HugeW
00:44.37brad2901oops
00:44.40brad2901anyone know who "HugeVag" is?
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00:45.03brad2901he just got poll banned.. but I see he also has admin perms at the server
00:45.23cybo-mobileIIRC sportcunt is an OLD cheat, been around for about a year or more
00:45.32RPG_has anyone seen this? DW joined a gain of Neo-Ronins! http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=63962#63962
00:45.39RPG_(or, it was hacked)
00:46.03JeffM2501he asked me a couple days agou about changing his name
00:46.10JeffM2501I am prety sure he changed his name
00:46.15JeffM2501nothing has been "hacked"
00:46.24RPG_but... Neo and DW just don't go together...
00:46.25RPG_hmm
00:46.28RPG_i'll have to ask him
00:46.50JeffM2501ok
00:47.03JeffM2501he may have been loose with his password
00:47.10JeffM2501a couple other people have been recently
00:51.48TimRikeralso note that if you change your nick on bzbb anyone else can take over the old nick.
00:55.29SportChickcheater on viper now
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00:56.08I_Died_Onceyo peeps
00:56.25RPG_hi
00:56.57I_Died_OnceOh, BTW - that pic of the guy, from the internet - that was RPG
00:57.28SportChicknow he's on teppic
00:57.50RPG_what?
00:57.57SportChickcheater on teppic
00:58.03RPG_I mean, the pic of who?
00:59.04I_Died_Oncefrom my pimping the rig post
01:00.36JeffM2501rpg is blurry shots of your big tv?
01:00.55I_Died_Onceno, the last pic
01:01.17JeffM2501the sf con guy?
01:01.26I_Died_Oncenm...
01:01.31RPG_link?
01:01.42JeffM2501just go read the post
01:01.51JeffM2501rpg isn't that old IIRC
01:02.06JeffM2501I_Died_Once, today isn't a good day for jokes
01:02.19JeffM2501or poking fun at others
01:02.31I_Died_OnceI was going on the whole "i'm from the internet" angle
01:02.38purple_cowcan i poke fun at others?
01:02.45I_Died_Onceis everyone that bummed out over Ice wewe?
01:02.50JeffM2501only INTO others
01:02.51JeffM2501not at
01:03.08JeffM2501ice wewe? oh god no
01:03.19bryjenpurple_cow: udders?
01:03.21I_Died_OnceI must've missed somethign then
01:03.26JeffM2501yes you did
01:03.31I_Died_Oncedid someone die or something?
01:03.35JeffM2501no
01:03.58JeffM2501ice was basicly only a copycat, taking advantage of a situation
01:04.04JeffM2501he is not the core problem
01:07.40purple_cowthe core problem is that children are being allowed to use grown-up toys
01:07.43purple_cow:)
01:07.55JeffM2501you were a kiddo once reember
01:07.59RPG_ahah that pic of "me" is pretty good
01:08.01JeffM2501mostly it's bad parenting
01:08.03RPG_although far from me :)
01:08.16purple_cowJeffM2501: i'm using "child" in a different sense of the word
01:08.21JeffM2501heh
01:08.47purple_cowi know children who are 25 and adults who are 15
01:09.19I_Died_Oncesome of the dumbest people I know have college drgrees
01:13.28PuMpErNiCkLebtw, does anyone know why I keep getting auto-kicked whenever I try to join viper2.pimpi.org?
01:13.48brad2901what's the error message?
01:14.07PuMpErNiCkLeIt doesn't exactly give one...
01:14.25brad2901it must give something :)
01:14.32PuMpErNiCkLeI get the usual one about my nick being registered locally, which overrides my general registration, but it always gave that.
01:14.34brad2901anything, at all?
01:14.54brad2901and then you get kicked when you try to spawn?
01:15.02PuMpErNiCkLeAnd it says "chupeme means blow me and he likes to insult a lot".
01:15.13PuMpErNiCkLeNo, I get kicked immediately.
01:15.21brad2901ok, you lost me there :)
01:15.32PuMpErNiCkLeyeah, I'm kinda lost too
01:16.16bryjenperhaps that is the reason string on an IP address ban that is catching you
01:16.28PuMpErNiCkLethat sounds reasonable
01:17.04PuMpErNiCkLeProbably my entire subnet got banned, since I'm on a static IP.
01:21.15BearPersonmaybe
01:21.22BearPersonwhy viper2.pimpi.org ?
01:23.28PuMpErNiCkLeWhat do you mean 'why viper'?
01:24.34BearPersonwas the 2 a typo or did you join something other than the main viper server?
01:26.11BearPersonactually, the chupeme ban is a single IP
01:26.29PuMpErNiCkLenwell, then
01:26.39brad2901BearPerson: it's on the list as viper2.pimpi.org
01:26.48PuMpErNiCkLeAnyway, according to the server list I get, it's viper2
01:26.50BearPersonah, must have been the dns switch
01:28.03PuMpErNiCkLeBearPerson: What's the IP?
01:28.27BearPerson69.196.
01:28.37PuMpErNiCkLeyup, that's mine
01:29.00BearPersonis that a static IP?
01:29.26PuMpErNiCkLenot static, exactly... I have it for another 166 hours o_O
01:29.35BearPersonwhois says it's inside a /25 range by some seemingly local ISP
01:30.11PuMpErNiCkLeIt's a subnet belonging to Rogers, which is a pretty big ISP around here.
01:31.00BearPersonso you get a new IP every week?
01:31.48BearPerson!calc 12952 / 60 / 24
01:32.02PuMpErNiCkLeI'm not sure exactly how often... I'm behind a router, so I never see it change unless I'm trying to host somethign temporarily and it borks.
01:32.21BearPersonhmm, okay
01:33.02BearPersontry now
01:33.23PuMpErNiCkLesweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
01:33.30PuMpErNiCkLeI'm in. :)
01:33.45PuMpErNiCkLeThank you muchly.
01:34.29BearPersonno problem, happy to clear stuff up
01:34.42BearPersonand hoping you're really not the one that caused the ban :P
01:39.29PuMpErNiCkLenah
01:39.41PuMpErNiCkLeI wouldn't risk getting kicked off viper
01:45.35BearPersonheh
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01:56.54trepansomebody's auto-whitespacing screwed up the client's console header  ;)
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02:16.54Odiumrar
02:22.46PuMpErNiCkLeyarr
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02:32.18CosmolI never liked the leet spelling anyway
02:32.57brlcadBearPerson is so trusting :)
02:33.22brlcadpurple_cow: so you fall into which of those two? ;)
02:33.38purple_cowwhat two?
02:37.55brlcad"i know children who are 25 and adults who are 15"
02:38.32brlcadand did you see we're apparently twins now
02:38.46purple_cowbrlcad: i make no claims either way
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04:10.21CIA-3BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/ (man/bzfs.6.in src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx): answer feature request #1380388: allow the user to enter an ending time in place of # of seconds to -time
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05:44.40SportChicksomeone feel like voicing trepan? :)
05:45.01trepanhuh?
05:45.09SportChickhrm
05:45.10trepanit's off
05:45.17SportChickoh, voice must be off
05:45.37trepanbut thanks for the thought  :)
05:45.51SportChicksaw you wayyyyy at the bottom of the list, looking lonely
05:46.10SportChick(with me, actually) hehe - didn't notice that til now
05:49.02blast007SportChick :)
05:49.12SportChickblast007: :)
05:50.47SportChick~karma SportChick
05:50.47ibotsportchick has karma of 109
05:52.35blast007~karma ibot
05:52.35ibotibot has karma of 13
05:52.39blast007heh
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07:25.14CIA-3BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx:
07:25.14CIA-3BZFlag: minimize the warping issue to thin-walls by only processing input events for up
07:25.15CIA-3BZFlag: to some small delta of time so that the rest of the run loop gets a chance to
07:25.15CIA-3BZFlag: syncronize and update at least every so often. instead of limiting the input
07:25.15CIA-3BZFlag: processing to some count, limit based on time so that events that take a really
07:25.15CIA-3BZFlag: long time don't starve out the run loop updating
07:27.39tsowellverbose
07:30.52trepanbrlcad: that make a noticeable diff?
07:31.21trepani would have thought that rendering would be the biggest factor for slow comps
07:31.35brlcadyes, made a big difference
07:31.55trepanwhat were you testing on?
07:32.08brlcadcan no longer warp farther than the time it spends in a single long event
07:32.23brlcadti 800 g4
07:32.43brlcadmediocre speed
07:33.17brlcadthe small delta can be set, but right now it's .1 s
07:33.36brlcad.1 seconds processing events on a single loop iteration is considerable
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07:34.17TimRikerand it's ready for 2.0 already?
07:34.18brlcadnormal gameplay didn't get anywhere close, only special actions like minimizing, screenshotting, etc
07:34.43trepanah, that's what you were after...
07:34.57brlcadTimRiker: it's specifically to address a pretty serious issue in 2.0 .. warping
07:36.51TimRikerjust thinking about a 2.0.6 release sometime and wondering how much needs testing.
07:37.26brlcadyep, I'd want to be sure warping is fixed before releasing 2.0.6
07:37.42brlcadlots of complaints spreading as people are learning about it recently
07:38.11brlcadthere's one more change to make for preventing thin-wall warping
07:38.49TimRikerk
07:38.55brlcadthe problem is extraordinary dt values on the tank position updates that doesn't account for positions in between
07:39.21trepanthe real problem is lousy geometry handling  :)
07:40.30brlcada simple newtonian step-wise check should guarantee walls up to a certain dt-travelable thickness, and be real cheap
07:40.49brlcadat least cheaper than firing a ray or testing intersection spheres or something
07:42.11brlcadbut that'll have to wait for tomorrow night
07:42.14trepanN tank, a plane surface, doesn't work
07:46.11CIA-3BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: prevent long distance tank warping through walls; display paused state when screen capturing while playing
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07:53.13CIA-3BZFlag: 03brlcad 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/clientCommands.cxx:
07:53.14CIA-3BZFlag: since taking a screenshot can take considerable time, if we're playing we
07:53.14CIA-3BZFlag: perform a simplified local pause that doesn't have all the other nasty side
07:53.14CIA-3BZFlag: effects of a normal pause (like dropping our flag, prevention while in the air,
07:53.14CIA-3BZFlag: etc) so that the display blanks out instead of freezing in a manner that might
07:53.14CIA-3BZFlag: be perceived as a client hang. the screen is captured before the freeze so all
07:53.16CIA-3BZFlag: is good, the display is then updated to clear the pause when we're done.
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08:43.52trepanbrlcad: think ya broke something, try the +/- keys (time shifting)
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08:44.41_Manu_...
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08:48.21trepanheh, ya nuked the clockAdjust reset  (playing.cxx around 5865)
08:53.56CIA-3BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: deleted one line too many
10:36.41LePoulpe303i'm looking for someone who as :   linux, python and wxpython installed  ; anyone here ?
10:43.24trepanwhy?
10:45.42LePoulpe303trepan :  can't connect to my ubuntu box to test my software under linux
10:45.58LePoulpe303trepan : it's a profile manager for bzflag
10:46.40trepani might be able to take a look at it tomorrow, nap time
10:47.24LePoulpe303my problem shoudl be fixed but if you''re nevertheless interested in testing it i  can send it  to  u
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10:55.13CBGtrepan: ping!
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11:00.14sniperyydCBG: pong!
11:00.16sniperyyd:D
11:00.36CBG...
11:03.40CBGm:)
11:03.47CBGeek, wrong app.
11:06.34LePoulpe303hi CBG !! :)
11:06.42CBGhey :)
11:07.40LePoulpe303actually completing bzmanager version  0.4 ;)
11:08.01CBGoh cool :)
11:08.22LePoulpe303always with your mac os box ?
11:09.05CBGyep
11:09.26LePoulpe303how sad ; i hoped santa brought you a pc :D
11:09.31CBGBah.
11:09.51CBGI would never celebrate christmas again if he did.
11:09.57CBGI love my iBook...
11:10.01LePoulpe303lol
11:10.04yummylol
11:10.16CBGCome play at the AHOD server: trepan.bzflag.bz:5678
11:10.45LePoulpe303k ; just a word about the web site : anything new ?
11:11.06CBGoh, that
11:11.09CBGi totally forgot
11:11.16CBGI think I finished it,
11:11.18CBGlemme see.
11:12.47LePoulpe303now i must find a python programmer on macos
11:12.54CBGeh, I cannot find it.
11:13.03CBGShall I do it again?
11:13.32LePoulpe303if you have time  ; i will really need it in 2 or 3 weeks
11:13.57CBGOK, I'll try again.
11:14.04LePoulpe303ok let's fire some bullets
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13:38.16Tuponehi orchid
13:39.29orchidhello
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14:42.36sniperyydhiya Blue_Eyes :)
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15:16.16TheRedBaronok, anyone know about the magic of screen?
15:17.44ToughShooter~Tupone++
15:18.03TheRedBaronnvm menotume to the rescue again
15:18.21menotumeyay, super-meno
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15:20.04CIA-3BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Be cautious when removing element from a list while traversing it
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15:47.10ChestalTupone: I don't understand that latest commit of yours. it1 is never used. And where does the actual deleting of the NetHandler* in the list take place?
15:52.47Tuponeit1 is wrong :/
15:53.00Tuponethe actual deleting is done in dropHandler
15:54.29Tuponewell, in dropHandler is done the removing from the list
15:54.43Tuponelemme check where the NetHandler is deleted
15:54.47ChestalI see a delete of object in drophandler, but no removal from list
15:55.42TuponeNetHandler::bufferedSend
15:57.01TuponeChestal: I changed that part of code so in future we can support relaying server, and now bots and main player sharing their connection
15:59.16CIA-3BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Removing garbage :/
16:01.32ChestalTupone: ok
16:02.12Tuponegreat :) I made some change in my code, then I made the final change in some other computer. I mixed that badly :)
16:09.30orchid~bzfquery 209.217.99.155:7000
16:23.41TheRedBaronhow does one require global identification for a server?
16:24.12TheRedBaronMy name is global regs.  on some servers, if I do not enter my password, I cannot play
16:24.22TheRedBaronHowever, If I use a non reg nick, I can play
16:24.31TheRedBaronhow is that done so I can duplicate it for my server?
16:24.43orangeTheRedBaron: that's the part I did answer
16:24.55orangeif you remove spawn privs from the everyone group it will do that
16:25.28orangeand now that I think about it, a callsign that is registered but not properly identified will also be kicked
16:25.35orangeohh
16:25.55orangeyou're saying you *DO* want to allow unregistered nicks to play, but if a callsign is registered, it must be properly identified in order to play
16:26.16TheRedBaronyup :)
16:26.26orangeI think the magic is in REQUIREIDENTIFY
16:26.27TheRedBaroni knew I was failing in my communication somewhere...
16:26.39orangeperhaps on the VERIFIED group
16:26.47Birdietheredbaron: and english is even your first language:)
16:27.21Grumbleri could only imagine if he spoke one of those dying languages.....like....hmmmm
16:27.25TheRedBaronembarrasing... i tell you :)
16:28.57orchidwow, 122 servers
16:29.17Grumblerand 10 players :)
16:29.47BirdieBonjour mademoiselle orchid!
16:30.00SportChickPimpinella: ping
16:30.29orchid23 players :)
16:30.44orchidhi Birdie
16:30.54SportChickPimpinella: I just did an ip range ban on dub 5154 for our cheater friends - didn't even wait for the spam to start - I /muted and banned. You may need to narrow the range a bit
16:34.22SportChickcheater is on teppic now
16:35.06blast007sigh...
16:36.38SportChickthey are either East coast or euros - they disappeared quite early last night
16:42.08Grumblermaybe they are westcoast, using a schools computer
16:42.19SportChickdunno - could be
16:42.32Grumblerwhats the whois information
16:42.48Grumbleror are they running through a proxy of some sort
16:44.47TheRedBaronI though bzflag didn't support proxies?
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16:45.45blast007TheRedBaron: it is possible to run over a proxy
16:45.59blast007I managed to do it once as a test, but it can only do TCP
16:46.49TheRedBaronBlast007: what kind of proxy?
16:46.51blast007another thing they could be doing is running tunnels to other machines, which could then do TCP and UDP
16:47.06blast007just a normal proxy
16:47.15blast007same kind they are using to get on IRC
16:49.37Grumblerhey look, its JBdiGriz :)
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16:52.37TheRedBaronblast007: my understanding of proxies is that there are different kinds. http, socks, etc
16:53.09JBdiGrizWhere?
16:53.56GrumblerJBdiGriz: over there, in a tree....must have booted an old computer to log back in here ;)
16:55.56Tuponeany admin at gu.de
16:56.02blast007TheRedBaron: I'm not sure which kind it was
16:56.07Tuponecheater SportWhore
16:56.21TheRedBarontupone: be right there
16:56.29Tuponeit's gone
16:56.48TheRedBaronbah.
16:57.00Tuponeagain
16:57.13blast007klined?
16:57.26TuponeSp0rtWhore
16:57.50orangecan we *please* get all the main servers to agree to go reg-only?
16:57.53Grumblermust have been a bad week for CIA
16:58.28TuponeTheRedBaron: can you join?
16:58.32blast007Grumbler: I bet the FBI is beind this  ;)
16:58.38blast007behind*
16:58.47Grumblerits a free world orange ....at least thats what they keep telling me
16:58.55Birdiebanned the cheater on gu, was same ip as the one on dub
16:58.59orangeof course it is, I'm asking for cooperation, not forcing
16:59.17Grumbler:)
17:00.32JBdiGrizActually, I'm an FBI mole impersonating a rat
17:01.07orangeshiny
17:06.00menotumeJB !
17:27.50orangecheater coming around again
17:29.00TheRedBaronwhere?
17:29.23orangebanned on silvercat
17:29.27orange200.172.*.*
17:30.03Birdienot really usefull for ranges as 4 numbers change
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17:41.56JeffM2501all quiet on the IRC front?
17:42.16Birdiemostly busy on banning cheaters and spammers on bzflag:)
17:42.22JeffM2501ahh
17:42.24JeffM2501that sucks
17:42.29JeffM2501it slowing down at all?
17:42.35JeffM2501and need anymore masters?
17:42.58Birdiewell they woke up again today, they have an ip,spam and cheat from server to server, get banned, and change ip
17:43.04Birdiefor 2 or 3 times now allready
17:43.15JeffM2501how long does it take for them to get a new one?
17:43.18JBdiGrizApparently the speed cheat is either being proxied through many different networks, or has been distributed to a number of people who don't like SportC
17:43.33brlcadhowdy JBdiGriz
17:43.38JeffM2501they are using proxys
17:43.45JeffM2501and dude, sup, long time no see
17:44.12JBdiGrizWould these proxys all be Windows machines with a virus?
17:44.29JeffM2501hard to say
17:44.36JeffM2501could be a zombie farm
17:44.51JeffM2501could be something like Tor
17:44.54JeffM2501could be something else
17:46.43TheRedBaroncould be the end of the world!
17:46.48TheRedBaronbut not likely
17:47.06TheRedBaronI thought bzflag didn't support proxys... (again my same question)
17:47.12JeffM2501it dosn't
17:47.25tsowellit is open source though
17:47.27JeffM2501but you couuld rig up a proxy system that suported bzflag
17:47.35JeffM2501like proxy from the OS level
17:47.39JeffM2501not the application level
17:48.31TheRedBaronoh
17:48.42JeffM2501if they are proxying then that is my best bet
17:48.54JeffM2501the IPs they get, are they on difrent networks?
17:49.05JeffM2501or just variations of the same network?
17:49.57TheRedBaronthe biggest problem i face on my proxy... is it requires user auth, and its a HTTP proxy.  
17:50.04TheRedBaronno udp
17:50.24JeffM2501yeah most common proxys are protocoll only
17:50.39JeffM2501there aim is to prevent stuff like what the cheates are doing
17:50.47JeffM2501not all proxys have that aim
17:51.00TheRedBaronsupposedly, there is a way to "tunnel" or open specific ports for UDP, but the proxy admin, mostly wants it for internet control
17:51.10TheRedBaronand to restrict gaming.
17:51.14JeffM2501yeah you can tunnel
17:51.16JeffM2501tim did it once
17:51.17TheRedBaronto an absolute nil.
17:51.20JeffM2501it's SLOW as heck tho
17:51.24TheRedBaronI remember hearing that
17:51.44TheRedBaronwell man, I've got to run.
17:51.54TheRedBaronI"ll be back later, to pick your brain, on proxies :)
17:51.54JeffM2501thats why you shouldn't play games at work ;)
17:52.07TheRedBaronssshhh
17:52.19TheRedBaron:)
17:53.30JBdiGrizIt's different networks. We can probably trace back on a number of the IP's collected.
17:56.49Birdieis "sportyvag" a bad word? ("vag" = ?)
17:57.02JeffM2501the womanly part
17:57.19Birdiethat person just joined on #guleague with webchat
17:57.38Birdiebut left cause he/she couldnt say anything i assume
17:57.43JeffM2501who IS that pumper person?
17:57.51JeffM2501the hex at the front is an IP
17:57.56JeffM2501just turn it into dec
17:57.58JeffM2501what was it?
17:58.28BirdieSp0rtyVag (n=c8ac24c6@webchat.bzflag.bz)
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17:59.39JeffM2501200.172.36.198
17:59.41Birdienow on #bzleague
17:59.43Birdiesame guy
18:00.07*** mode/#bzflag [+m] by JeffM2501
18:00.10JeffM2501shields up
18:00.19*** mode/#bzflag [+v trepan] by JeffM2501
18:00.27*** mode/#bzflag [+v SportChick] by JeffM2501
18:00.35*** mode/#bzflag [+v menotume] by JeffM2501
18:00.41*** mode/#bzflag [+v Birdie] by JeffM2501
18:00.45*** mode/#bzflag [+v BearPerson] by JeffM2501
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18:00.51*** mode/#bzflag [+v _Manu_] by JeffM2501
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18:02.11*** kick/#bzflag [Sp0rtyVag!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501)
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18:04.04*** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat for casual chat || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable, commit stable to v2_0branch | if you don't have voice and need it, just msg an op
18:04.29Birdieadd toughshooter and brad though:)
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18:04.39*** mode/#bzflag [+v brad2901] by JeffM2501
18:04.51*** mode/#bzflag [+v ToughShooter] by JeffM2501
18:05.04*** kick/#bzflag [Sp0rtyVag!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501)
18:05.18Birdieoh and pimpi:)
18:05.23*** mode/#bzflag [+v Pimpi] by JeffM2501
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18:05.44*** mode/#bzflag [+b *!n=c8ac24c6@*.bzflag.bz] by JeffM2501
18:05.45*** kick/#bzflag [Sp0rtyVag!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501)
18:05.53*** mode/#bzflag [+o Tupone] by ChanServ
18:05.57Birdiejeff: that ip you gave there 200.172.36.198 is one of the ip"s we banned on the servers
18:06.02*** mode/#bzflag [+v Grumbler] by Tupone
18:06.23*** mode/#bzflag [+v _bubbles_] by Tupone
18:06.48JeffM2501k
18:07.25TuponeI bet you need to kick Sp0rtyGal too
18:07.31JeffM2501yeah
18:07.46*** mode/#bzflag [+b *!n=acca16ec@*.bzflag.bz] by JeffM2501
18:07.46*** kick/#bzflag [Sp0rtyGal!n=JeffM@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/JeffM2501] by JeffM2501 (JeffM2501)
18:08.23Birdieare you sure about that?
18:08.31Birdiesportygal is her nick she has at work
18:08.37ToughShooteralso on guleague
18:08.44brad2901not webchat birdie
18:08.45JeffM2501yes I am very sure
18:08.57brad2901that's not sportygal that's sp0rtygal
18:09.06trepansporty use AOL?  ;)
18:09.12Tuponeher name is SportyGal not Sp0RtyGal :)
18:09.14JeffM2501it's not her
18:09.17JeffM2501I know her
18:10.25ToughShooterTupone: CVS diff -u prefered?
18:10.34Tuponeyep
18:10.38ToughShooterk
18:11.46brlcadheh, womanly part
18:12.02JeffM2501well
18:12.09JeffM2501how else would you say it
18:12.16JeffM2501"where babies come out"?
18:12.25brlcadhehe
18:13.25*** mode/#bzflag [+v wizatcomp] by Tupone
18:14.37*** mode/#bzflag [-o Tupone] by Tupone
18:17.22ToughShooterTupone: One patch file per changed file or all in one?
18:17.40Tuponeone patch file for all
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18:18.18*** mode/#bzflag [+o spb] by Tupone
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18:19.31brlcadhmm
18:20.03brlcadthe collision detection code is already supposed to be performing a newtonian step for collision detection
18:20.10brlcador at least at one point it did
18:20.49brlcadinteresting that the anti-stuck code is frame based and not time based, that's no good..
18:21.11Tuponebrlcad you can fix
18:21.18JBdiGrizI thought the server was checking for speed cheats. Did something change in that code?
18:21.33JeffM2501it does, but there are a couple ways around it
18:21.41JeffM2501like keep your tank 0.001 off the ground
18:21.47JeffM2501since the speed cheat dosn't check while jumping
18:21.56JeffM2501there are a couple other ways
18:22.19JeffM2501the check code is far far from perfect
18:24.15Grumblerhmm, tanks SHOULD fall if they are off the ground with nothing under them
18:25.08JeffM2501not if they are moded client that change where the "ground" is :)
18:25.37blast007you can also just lie about your speed, then it won't show in logs as "moving too fast", though you look jittery to players
18:25.56JeffM2501yeah you can just not care about DR
18:26.11Tuponespeed is actually not related to changes in position
18:26.37blast007and if there is inertia or physics drivers, that disables the speed checks
18:26.51Grumblerwe need a smarter server
18:26.55JeffM2501the checks were buggy in the first place
18:26.57JeffM2501this is true
18:27.26TuponeGrumbler: we need smarter developers too :)
18:27.29blast007have they improved much since 1.7g2?  I've seen the same kinds of cheats...
18:27.59JeffM2501Tupone, well most of the code for the proto that we are dealing with is from the origonal game
18:28.07blast007I still recall when you could make other people shoot  ;)
18:28.10JeffM2501it was fine for the goals he has set forward
18:28.14JBdiGrizThe developers haven't changed very much since 1.7g2
18:28.43Birdiehe is bakc
18:29.00JeffM2501you can't say that we need smarter developers when no real effort has been put into solving the problem, just a couple quick fixes to an existing protocoll
18:29.22TuponeJeffM2501: I'm joking, I should be there too :)
18:29.30JeffM2501ahhok
18:29.35JeffM2501didn't come across that way, sorry
18:29.43JeffM2501:(
18:30.03JeffM2501hasn't been a good week for jokes
18:30.07ToughShooterTupone: There it is: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1397967&group_id=3248&atid=303248 :)
18:32.16brlcadwhat's the expelled parameter on getHitBuilding() ?
18:33.13JBdiGrizWe did get included on the Software for Starving Students download. http://mirror.softwarefor.org
18:33.58Grumblerah, jitterkick, nice idea
18:35.14ToughShooterit works, just one little bug in there, still
18:37.55brlcadGrumbler: nice on paper, not so well in practice
18:38.07brlcadjitter can be cause by so many things and is usually very short lived
18:38.16brad2901#bzchat someone
18:38.20brad2901op please
18:38.28JeffM2501I know, lets put a MD5 checksum in the client!!! ;)
18:38.28brlcadand bz's definition/computation of jitter has changed a couple times
18:39.20ToughShooterbrlcad: Some jitter value around 50ms is bad, isn't it?
18:39.51JBdiGrizThe standard practice on silvercat is to kick for a sustained jitter above 50ms.
18:40.07ToughShooterLag is also short live
18:40.16JBdiGrizI think that is a bit conservative. jitter should be maintainable below 10ms.
18:40.42Pimpiwhats this, does the channel require voice to talk now?
18:40.53brlcadactual jitter should, and determining what's sustained is where I don't think bz does too hot
18:40.54JeffM2501for a bit
18:40.57JeffM2501Pimpi,
18:41.04Pimpiok
18:41.07ToughShooterPimpi: Some ***** are going to try to annoy us
18:41.08JeffM2501had some issues with spam kiddies
18:41.32Pimpioh yeah, interesting thing. IPs from allover the world
18:43.14*** mode/#bzflag [-v spb] by Tupone
18:45.29JeffM2501for the time beeing my.bzflag.org's web IRC is disabled
18:54.14SportyGalwow, apparently, I missed something
18:55.15JeffM2501you did
18:55.19JeffM2501nothing new tho
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18:56.14brlcad<PROTECTED>
18:56.26JeffM2501been wondering that mysefl
18:56.39brlcadPuMpErNiCkLe: who are you
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18:57.52brlcadwhile we're at it, Deepa who are you too
18:58.21brad2901they can't talk.. heh
18:58.36*** mode/#bzflag [-m] by JeffM2501
18:58.50brlcadlearner: who are you
18:59.05learnerbite me
18:59.33JBdiGrizAre we kicking for auto-eroticism in the channel?
19:00.01JeffM2501heh
19:00.25brlcadwas that a sensual rolling of the eyes?
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19:04.09orangeanother one coming
19:04.10orange80.100
19:04.21orange80.100.236.17
19:04.23orangewhy mask it
19:05.24SportyGal~lart brlcad
19:05.31SportyGalooo perfect!
19:07.35Grumblergrand funk railroad
19:13.16brlcadseems to be 'expelled' if we hit an object unless we're phased
19:13.55Grumblermaybe its historical, or possibly futuristic
19:14.21brlcadthen we're 'expelled' if we hit a wall or teleporter or reversing with OO
19:14.55brlcadsounds like a bad choice of words for what someone wants to use the boolean for outside of getHitBuilding()
19:15.10brlcadlike trying to determine whether there's a reverse force maybe
19:15.18brlcaddunno, bizzare
19:16.44trepanbrlcad: it needs to be completely rewritten as part of the auth. server patch
19:17.03trepanoops, forgot the  :)
19:17.28Deepabrlcad: didnt i say that yesterday?
19:17.37brad2901just banned at viper.. someone might want to increase the ban time..
19:18.33Birdiek
19:22.33brlcadDeepa: no
19:22.40brlcadat least I missed it if you did
19:24.10Grumbleroooo, 150gb raptors
19:26.10Deepai did!
19:26.15Deepai got sent thru a box to ibot
19:27.58brlcadhuh?
19:29.04brlcadtrepan: i'll get right on it
19:29.10brlcadoops, forgot the ;)
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19:39.23PuMpErNiCkElw00t
19:55.19orangenew one, 24.232.178.234
19:55.40brad2901is that the silvercat one?
19:55.47orangejust got that one on dub
19:55.55brad2901callsign?
19:58.57orange198.85.216.150
19:59.04brad2901banned the same one at silvercat... donkey man
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20:02.18cataybanned it also at dubs 30min. ago
20:05.27*** mode/#bzflag [+v Blue_Eyes] by Tupone
20:09.51orange201.250.61.224
20:16.05orangeJeffM2501: please revive the idea of the "major server" forum, but just don't tell anyone about it
20:16.44JBdiGrizorange: You just told someone about it.
20:16.52brad2901heh
20:17.17orangeyeah, but I was being ironical
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20:26.55Grumblerwe need jay and silent bob
20:27.03brlcadhmm
20:27.46brlcadPuMpErNiCkEl: what's up with the reconnects?
20:28.57brlcadDeepa: and you still didn't explain what you meant by "i got sent thur a box to ibot"
20:30.49Grumblercome on brlcad, those are their moles, we need them around to feed disinformation
20:31.11Grumbler...or at least until JBdiGriz and the fbi trace them
20:32.15Grumblerbrlcad: thats ok, we have all been there.....and most of us hope to get back :)
20:41.20PuMpErNiCkElbrlcad: I was having problems with irc... I kept getting 'cannot send to channel'.
20:45.39blast007PortEighty.org
20:45.43blast007er
20:45.53blast007sorry, right clicked while cleaning the mouse  :P
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21:17.15PuMpErNiCkE|hello ?
21:17.32sIlvErfOxhello.
21:17.35PuMpErNiCkE|http://bzflagcheat.blogspot.com
21:17.36PuMpErNiCkE|http://bzflagcheat.blogspot.com
21:17.38PuMpErNiCkE|oops
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21:17.45sIlvErfOxoops my hiny
21:17.45blast007...
21:18.11ToughShooterJeffM2501: ping
21:18.15JeffM2501?
21:18.20ToughShootersee above?
21:18.22JeffM2501ahh
21:18.24JeffM2501makes sense
21:18.51orangeyeah
21:18.53Birdietest
21:18.57orangenobody is really surprised about that one, right?
21:18.58blast007test failed
21:19.01JeffM2501no
21:19.02ToughShooteronly good aspect is that those cheaters drive people to better adminned servers
21:19.09JeffM2501yeah
21:19.14brad2901it's a fake pumpernickel...
21:19.26JeffM2501hopefuly globl reg servers will go up
21:19.31JeffM2501who is the "real" one?
21:19.37brad2901--> PuMpErNiCkEl (n=Moitd@CPE000d8802a749-CM0012c9a9a6dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined
21:19.38blast007PuMpErNiCkEl vs PuMpErNiCkE|
21:20.05JeffM2501yeah but have you ever seen the real one say anything?
21:20.11Birdieit HAS to be some one from here cause...we were asking that pumpernickel guy some time ago who he was etc
21:20.13sIlvErfOxlol
21:20.20blast007yes, I have
21:20.21brad2901yes Jeff
21:20.32blast00714:45:12 < PuMpErNiCkEl> brlcad: I was having problems with irc... I kept getting 'cannot send to channel'.
21:20.41JeffM2501ok, OTHER then that?
21:20.49brad2901and talking to BearPerson about a ban on vipers...
21:20.52brad2901for auite a bit
21:20.54orangeother than setting up their script
21:20.54brad2901quite*
21:20.54JeffM2501ok
21:20.59orangeand trying to get unbanned :-)
21:21.02blast007lol
21:21.05ToughShooterPuMpErNiCkEl (n=Moitd@CPE000d8802a749-CM0012c9a9a6dc.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)
21:21.07JeffM2501mostly I'm thinking before all this stuff
21:21.31ToughShooterI think this is prolly the real provider
21:21.33blast007and nope, nothing in my logs really
21:21.42blast007just grep'ed them
21:25.04trepancan anyone explain to me why paused players are not considered idle, or why chatty players get 3 times the idle threshold?
21:25.21JeffM2501what would be cool is to have ibot ban anyone who sys the same message more then once in a row in a timeframe :)
21:26.47orangetrepan: yay for looking at that :-)
21:27.13JeffM2501I say bump there sorry buts to observer
21:27.19trepanorange: can you guess why?  ;)
21:27.33orangeahod - unless you're paused :-)
21:27.33trepanJeffM2501: next time around... for now, the boot
21:27.40JeffM2501THE BOOT!
21:27.58orangeit's the ultimate ahod sabotage
21:28.37trepanorange: and i honestly don't think those loopholes ever make sense
21:29.18JeffM2501it's probalby just cus difrent people did it difrently
21:29.21JeffM2501consoldate it
21:29.32JeffM2501if people complain make them justify it before it's changed back
21:29.42JeffM2501it's not like it's a major feature
21:29.47ChestalI think I did the initial idlekick. Sevrer did not know about pause back then at all
21:29.49PuMpErNiCkElWhat?
21:29.55PuMpErNiCkElWhy are people talking about me?
21:30.04JeffM2501somone was pretending to be you and spaming
21:30.09PuMpErNiCkElwtf
21:30.10trepanChestal: i don't think being paused should matter, you're still taking up a slot
21:30.22trepansame goes for chatty players
21:30.47JeffM2501if the server wants to allow them to hang out logner, it can just incrase it's idle time
21:30.52trepanbingo
21:30.54Chestaltrepan: paused players are kickes as fast as idlging players, aren#t they?
21:31.17trepanChestal: didn't think so, i'll revisit
21:31.24orangeI've seen paused players last longer than idlekick time
21:31.46Chestaltrepan: I had the longer tiem for chatters in the initial code I think. Reasoning is that a player who chats is not as idle as a player who does nothing.
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21:31.57trepanChestal: i reason differently  ;)
21:32.28Chestalback then on ducati I liked to sret the idlethreshold low, 100s. So chattres would be kicked after 300s
21:32.28orangethat's what observer is for :-)
21:33.04Chestalmost servers are using _very_ high idle timeouts, that#s quite annyoing
21:33.26JeffM2501boot em now, make a feature in 2.1 that lets them drop to observer to be chaterboxes
21:34.01orangeI have silvercat down to 90 seconds... pushing for 60 :-)
21:34.05Chestalwoudl maybe make more sense to set a defautl timeout. I figure that many servers do not set it at all
21:34.15SilverFoxis there a way to change the idle max in game/on the fly?
21:34.24trepanmight also use a BZDB var for the idletime
21:34.39trepanSilverFox: that would do it
21:34.39JeffM2501that would make sense
21:36.19SilverFoxindeed it would.  Thanks for the thought.  ;)
21:37.57trepandefault for _idleTime ?
21:38.05trepan300 ?
21:38.33orange300 is a good default
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21:38.59Chestal10 is better :-)
21:39.17trepanheh, Chestal the taskmaster
21:39.36orangeChestal: baby steps :-)
21:39.48orangeI prefer smaller too, but 10 might be a bit tight :-)
21:40.02orange60 is more than enough to be reasonable on a busy public server
21:40.03orangeimho
21:40.07trepani'm going with 30secs for the ahod server, and it's a bit more sensitive then the norm
21:40.14orangetrepan: agreed
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21:40.27SportBitchAss<PROTECTED>
21:40.29SportBitchAss<PROTECTED>
21:40.33brad2901`...
21:40.33SportBitchAss<PROTECTED>
21:40.35SportBitchAss<PROTECTED>
21:40.36SportBitchAss<PROTECTED>
21:40.36Birdieif he would learn to type..
21:40.37SportBitchAss<PROTECTED>
21:40.39SportBitchAss<PROTECTED>
21:40.40SportBitchAss<PROTECTED>
21:40.43SportBitchAss<PROTECTED>
21:40.45orangeanybody want to +m us?
21:40.46SportBitchAss<PROTECTED>
21:40.50SportBitchAss<PROTECTED>
21:40.52SportBitchAss<PROTECTED>
21:40.57Birdiean ops ping:)
21:40.58SportBitchAss<PROTECTED>
21:41.02SportBitchAssahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i am the greatest!
21:41.02brad2901`brlcad Tupone
21:41.05brad2901`Chestal
21:41.13orange<PROTECTED>
21:41.16SportBitchAsshi
21:41.17brad2901`ibot purple_cow
21:41.18ibotI don't know, but I'd rather see than be one
21:41.22SportBitchAsshow are you guys?
21:41.24*** kick/#bzflag [SportBitchAss!n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone] by Tupone (Tupone)
21:41.35*** join/#bzflag SportBitchAss (n=sportcun@222.185.248.51)
21:41.38SportBitchAsshi
21:41.41SportBitchAssi behave now
21:41.41*** kick/#bzflag [SportBitchAss!n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone] by Tupone (Tupone)
21:41.42Birdieput /mode +m
21:41.44Birdie!
21:41.53*** join/#bzflag SportBitchAss (n=sportcun@222.185.248.51)
21:41.59SportBitchAssfuck you asshole monkeys
21:42.01*** kick/#bzflag [SportBitchAss!n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone] by Tupone (Tupone)
21:42.04trepanA for persistence, F for brains
21:42.06orangecan you please op me?
21:42.17*** mode/#bzflag [+o orange] by Tupone
21:42.25orangethanks
21:42.25*** join/#bzflag SportBitchAss (n=sportcun@222.185.248.51)
21:42.25Birdieand give me a voice:)
21:42.28*** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*=sportcun@222.185.248.*] by orange
21:42.28*** kick/#bzflag [SportBitchAss!n=mdw@pdpc/supporter/basic/orange] by orange (orange)
21:42.38brad2901`perfect
21:43.01ToughShooternope
21:43.08brad2901`for now
21:43.13ToughShooterfirst kick, then ban
21:43.20*** mode/#bzflag [-b+b *!*=sportcun@222.185.248.* *!*@222.185.248] by orange
21:43.37brad2901`heh good idea
21:43.43brad2901`but you did it wrong
21:43.55brad2901`don't you need the ".*" on the end?
21:43.58ToughShooterThe problem is the other one sees the ban pattern if you ban before kick
21:44.15orangenyes
21:44.29SilverFoxother one?
21:44.31*** mode/#bzflag [-b+b *!*@222.185.248 *!*@222.185.248.*] by orange
21:44.36trepanorange: you 'can' use the RETURN key for messaging now  :)
21:44.45SilverFoxnice.
21:44.47SilverFox~n
21:44.49ibotn is, like, the disease bzflag players get when they play too much
21:44.54orangehehe
21:45.04*** mode/#bzflag [+m] by Tupone
21:45.13ToughShooterWhy not just require people have voice for next 3 days?
21:45.17trepanonly prob. i have now is using CTRL-F for word completion in bash
21:45.18SilverFoxibot, the cure is the RETURN key
21:45.19ibot...but cure is already something else...
21:45.24SilverFox~the cure
21:45.43SilverFox~cure
21:45.44ibotsomebody said cure was a Cure for a hangover requires said drunk user to ingest large volumes of liquid (of non-alcoholic preference) before passing out. This keeps the body and brain hydrated throughout the night causing little to not hangover the following day
21:45.45*** mode/#bzflag [+v BenUrban] by Tupone
21:45.56Chestaltrepan: ctrl-f?
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21:46.00*** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ
21:46.07ToughShooterThere are smart people on, that could be given the perm to give other people voice
21:46.08SilverFoxeveryone uses tab.
21:46.08*** mode/#bzflag [+v Birdie] by Tupone
21:46.08*** mode/#bzflag [-o orange] by orange
21:46.12trepanyup, hardcoded default for word-completion in bz
21:46.21trepanChestal: along with F2 and TAB
21:46.25orangethanks for the quick ops
21:46.26ToughShooterwith no success they are more likely to stop
21:46.29orangeirssi has a handy kickban
21:46.31Chestaltrepan: ah, I always use tab
21:46.44orange<PROTECTED>
21:46.46trepani still use tab -> jump, so i added ctrl-f
21:46.48orangequick solution anyway
21:47.02SilverFoxtrepan, oh... never thought of that.
21:47.03Chestaltab is jumping for me, too, but not while typing
21:47.34trepanChestal: haven't tried that, still occasionally jump while typing
21:48.02Chestalthe "..." around ulti-word-phrases while completing are annyoing sometimes
21:48.04*** part/#bzflag brad2901` (i=one@unaffiliated/brad2901)
21:48.06orangeif you don't ban then kick then they rejoin
21:48.25*** join/#bzflag brad2901 (i=one@unaffiliated/brad2901)
21:48.27ToughShooteryeah, you have to be quicker
21:48.35Chestalmaybe add a flag for completion and only add "" when curent message starts with /, hmm
21:48.37Tuponeorange I know. I was doing other things, and hope they do not persist
21:49.02Birdiegive poor brad a voice if you want
21:49.06orangeToughShooter: autojoin is *always* quicker :-)
21:49.12*** mode/#bzflag [+v brad2901] by Tupone
21:49.22brad2901thx Tupone & Birdie :)
21:49.35ToughShooterorange: sure?
21:51.14trepanChestal: disallow spaces in nicks  :)
21:51.33orange:-)
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21:57.15JeffM2501is head up to date with 2.0.x ?
21:58.32trepanexcept for brlcad's warping thing
21:58.55JeffM2501I'm trying a "merge" now to see what it does in CVS
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22:10.06JeffM2501no CIA?
22:11.32ToughShooterJeffM2501: [17:56] *CIA-3 has quit (K-lined)
22:11.36JeffM2501wow
22:11.41JeffM2501why would cia be klined?
22:11.49ToughShooterNow it is 23:11 for me
22:12.22brad2901it's in other channels..
22:12.39JeffM2501yeah
22:12.42JeffM2501odd
22:12.55*** join/#bzflag silverfox (i=SilverFo@68-116-46-14.static.mdfd.or.charter.com)
22:13.08ToughShooterCould +m making it abstain?
22:13.15brad2901oh.. could it be the +r ?
22:13.22Deepawell brlcad its so easy as...
22:13.26Deepaibot ordered me
22:13.31Chestalif it's not known to nickserv
22:13.31Deepaand i was sent thru a box
22:13.35*** mode/#bzflag [-r] by JeffM2501
22:13.51*** join/#bzflag CIA-3 (i=cia@flapjack.navi.cx)
22:13.55brad2901;)
22:14.10Deepa:>
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22:14.25DeepaJeffM2501: /mode #bzflag +v Deepa :>
22:14.27Deepaplease :)?
22:14.28ToughShooterWhat is +r supposed to do, other than driving the CIA away?
22:14.45brad2901regged only
22:14.50ToughShooterah
22:14.58JeffM2501you all ready have voce man
22:15.09JeffM2501so you don't need +v
22:15.10Deepahey i am voiced!
22:15.14DeepaJeffM2501: /mode #bzflag +o Deepa :>
22:15.16Deepaplease :)?
22:15.16JeffM2501umm yeah
22:15.19JeffM2501umm no
22:15.22Deepa:p
22:15.22JeffM2501who are you anyway
22:15.30Deepaim Deepy
22:15.31JeffM2501I don't recognise the name
22:15.31ChestalDeepa: you are still voiced, yes
22:15.39DeepaChestal: my mistake :P
22:15.42JeffM2501other then it looks like the name of my e2 monk
22:15.51Deepae2?
22:16.05Birdiethe cheater comes to private match servers, who arent in the serverlist
22:16.06JeffM2501eq2
22:16.09Deepaoic
22:16.12Deepawhats it called?
22:16.14Deepaand what do you play as
22:16.41JeffM2501who are you? I don't recognise the name, who do you play as?
22:16.47Deepa[AA]Deepy
22:16.50ToughShooterBirdie: Which ones?
22:17.10Deepaive played bzflag 5 times so far
22:17.19brad2901if you can
22:17.21JeffM2501I see
22:17.21brad2901oopa
22:17.31Birdiedub 59998, he comes twice in a match i heard and capture a flag in 5 seconds
22:17.31JeffM2501how do you like the game?
22:17.37Deepaits really good :)
22:17.41Deepagraphics could be better
22:17.43Deepabut hte gameplay is great
22:17.52Deeparather have good gameplay then good graphic tbh
22:18.17Deepatbh i got the game when i downlaoded ALL Games thru apt-get :)
22:18.19Deepatried it once
22:18.25Deepagot owned at some silverbox server
22:18.29Deepai think i had -98
22:18.31Deepa3 teamkills :P
22:18.37Deepa19 kills
22:18.40JeffM2501tks are bad
22:18.44*** part/#bzflag devster (i=dev@will.you.stop.watchin.me.uk)
22:18.52Deepawell i learned how shockwave and steamroller worked
22:18.57Deepashockwave took 2
22:18.59Deepasteamroller one
22:19.20ToughShootersteamroller is cool, I often use it for the sake of it
22:19.43Chestalit's just so embarassing to get steamrolled
22:19.44orangecrumple
22:19.53Deepaindeed
22:19.56DeepaOO Was my first flag :)
22:20.01ToughShootergood to make them showing some respect in future ;)
22:20.16JeffM2501how did you find IRC?
22:20.34DeepaIRC? im on 19 networks :)
22:20.42Deepajust seeing #bzflag on the main website made me join here
22:20.46Deepabesides i got #wrongplanet on freenode
22:20.47JeffM2501that's a log of networks
22:20.50Deepaand #pircbot too
22:21.03DeepaJeffM2501 still: hamsterpaj, freenode, enterthegame and quakenet
22:21.05Deepais those i use the mosty
22:21.07Deepamost*
22:21.33TimRiker~bzfrag Deepa
22:21.34ibotACTION kills Deepa with a shot from his BZTank
22:21.48Deepa~bzfquery deepy.no-ip.com:5154
22:21.52Deepa~bzfrag ibot
22:21.54ibotACTION destroys ibot with a guided missle
22:22.00Deepahrm, lol
22:22.18ToughShooterIt did fire into a teleporter, did it?
22:22.25Deepawell this IS irc
22:22.30Deepathere ARE no walls or teleporters
22:22.36JeffM2501yeah it was the r that had CIA buggered
22:22.41Deepaatleast its better then when i steamrolled myself :(
22:22.46JeffM2501head is up to date with branch now
22:23.11Deepawhos hosting ibot?
22:23.15JeffM2501tim is
22:23.15Deepawhich distro?
22:23.21TimRikeribot: owner
22:23.22ibotTimRiker is my owner
22:23.29DeepaTimRiker: which distor :)?
22:23.37Deepadistro*
22:23.57TimRikeribot is a blootbot running on debian, but using CVS head code.
22:23.59Deepaibot: distro
22:24.00ibotdistro is, like, significa distribution (english)
22:24.01JeffM2501Mr. Riker is the maintainer of the infobot project IIRC
22:24.13Deepanice!
22:24.27Deepaautograph ;D?
22:24.42Deepa:>
22:24.44Deepaty
22:26.20Deepacan you get blootbot to run applications and show the output to IRC?
22:26.58JeffM2501mabye it woudl be best to ask in the bot channel , not one about a game :)
22:30.58Deepagood point
22:31.02Deepa:P
22:31.40Deepa~ping deepy.no-ip.com
22:31.41ibotpong deepy.no-ip.com
22:31.45Deepa:P
22:32.05TimRiker~rootshell pong
22:32.07ibotroot@blootbot:~# pong     bash: pong: command not found
22:32.25Deepa~rootshell ping deepy.no-ip.com
22:32.26ibotroot@blootbot:~# ping deepy.no-ip.com     bash: ping deepy.no-ip.com: command not found
22:32.30Deepaaaw
22:32.31TimRikerhehe...
22:32.37Deepa~rootshell man chmod
22:32.39ibotroot@blootbot:~# man chmod     bash: man chmod: command not found
22:32.48TimRiker~literal cmd: rootshell (.*?)
22:32.49ibot"cmd: rootshell (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> root@blootbot:~# $1     bash: $1: command not found"
22:32.51JeffM2501how about /msg ibot, it's a lot more fun
22:33.00DeepaJeffM2501: sry my fault :P
22:33.01TimRikerDeepa: join #botpark
22:33.14JeffM2501well tim loves his bots too
22:33.18JeffM2501like a father l(
22:33.29Deepaoic
22:33.32TimRikeribot: who's your daddy?
22:33.34ibotYOU are, Mr Sexy Pants!
22:33.55Deepai only host about 50 of em :/
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22:39.43*** mode/#bzflag [+v CIA-3] by JeffM2501
22:41.08CIA-3opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/bugs.txt: clarify makefile bugs
22:43.41SportyGalcheater on viper
22:43.56Birdiejoy
22:44.45Birdieehm in the viperbanlist..
22:44.51Birdie"banned by sportcunt"
22:45.05brad2901I saw something like that yesterday
22:45.10brad2901at lasermania
22:45.24Birdiehow in hell?
22:45.27brad2901but it might have been me imagining things... was quite tired
22:45.33Birdiewell i'm sure now..
22:45.37SportyGalsure what?
22:45.43JeffM2501simple, they got password on it
22:45.44Birdieand its not the reason by accident..its really the guy who banned
22:45.47brad2901are you sure it's not the reason
22:45.53brad2901ah
22:45.53Birdieyep
22:45.55brad2901hrm
22:45.58Birdiechecked twice
22:46.11brad2901tell Pimpi or _Manu_ then I suppose
22:46.31Birdiepimpi ping or _Manu_
22:46.56Birdiewhat do you mean with "got a password on it"?
22:47.05SportyGalI was just wondering the same thing
22:47.11brad2901surely they don't use a password at vipers..
22:47.24trepannice version string by that SCcheat:  2.0.5.20051224-DEVEL-OWN3D
22:47.26brad2901didn't something like this happen at hepcat once? they could /set ?
22:47.27JeffM2501I've seen admins with weak passwords
22:47.32JeffM2501and servers with weak passwords
22:47.39JeffM2501many admins are dumb with there passwords
22:47.47JeffM2501and use the SAME ones on /register servers
23:09.17PimpiBirdie: there's no ban by soprtcubt in vier banlist
23:09.22Pimpiviper
23:09.28Pimpiat least not anymore
23:09.29Birdiewell there was when i looked
23:09.38Birdieit was a time ban
23:09.45Birdiei think the maximum time from a cop
23:10.31Pimpitrusted maybe.
23:10.37brad2901I banned sportc**t earlier... with max time for a "trusted" person
23:10.39Pimpiwould be only 5 hours then
23:10.56Birdiewas 300 minutes yes
23:10.59brad2901but birdie says it was that person who banned..
23:11.02brad2901so who knows
23:12.35Birdieit was the "sportcunt" who banned the ip
23:13.42TuponePimpi: there is a bun, from /banlist
23:13.56brad2901a bun.. ;)
23:14.11Tuponeban from Sp0rtCunt
23:14.41Tuponethe last one
23:14.45Pimpihm
23:16.06Pimpi&%$§
23:16.17Pimpiit won't let me on my own server!
23:16.55Pimpicould somebody there kick an observer?
23:17.01Birdiek
23:17.27Birdiewell ya sorry i forgot i closed bz
23:17.33Birdieso i cant..
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23:19.09*** mode/#bzflag [+v orchid_] by ChanServ
23:19.38Pimpiit was in there, no reason though. after reload it was gone
23:19.55Birdiehow could it be in there?
23:20.38Pimpino idea
23:21.03Birdiethis is strange
23:21.37SportyGalPimpi: is this on viper or where?
23:22.09Pimpiyep
23:22.43Pimpioooooooooooh.
23:22.45SportyGal?
23:22.48Pimpiit was a poll ban
23:22.53SportyGaleek
23:22.56SportyGalwho got banned?
23:23.41Pimpiin poll bans the bannee is listed as banner
23:23.41PimpiSp0rtCunt
23:23.41SportyGaleek
23:23.41Birdie300min for a poll?
23:23.45Pimpiyep
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23:34.29Birdiegive silverfox a voice if you want
23:35.53Birdietupone brlcad JeffM2501 JBdiGriz chestal?
23:36.03*** mode/#bzflag [+v silverfox] by JeffM2501
23:36.09JeffM2501sory
23:36.13Birdiehehe np
23:36.18JeffM2501was installing the joystick of D00M
23:36.46*** mode/#bzflag [+v CBG] by Tupone
23:36.54CBG:o ty
23:37.32silverfoxfreenode needs a "registration only" option for channels.
23:37.50brad2901/mode +r
23:37.54brad2901the spammers registered..
23:38.06brad2901so it won't help
23:38.22JeffM2501and it make cia cry
23:38.42brad2901better.
23:38.42JeffM2501be nice to cia
23:38.56*** mode/#bzflag [-v brad2901] by JeffM2501
23:38.56Birdielol
23:39.02purple_cowbrad2901: CIA-3 could kill you with one hand
23:39.04CBGheh
23:39.10Birdiepoor brad
23:39.40JeffM2501it is best not to meddle in the afairs of dragons, for you are cruncy and taste good with catsoup
23:39.51*** mode/#bzflag [+v brad2901] by JeffM2501
23:39.54brad2901ouchy
23:40.04*** mode/#bzflag [+o CIA-3] by JeffM2501
23:41.08brad2901uhoh
23:41.16brad2901not looking good for me
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23:49.45CIA-3opencombat: 03jeffm2501 * 10GPx01/common/ (inc/TextUtils.h src/TextUtils.cpp): add trim_whitespace to get rid of all space before and after a string
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23:50.54*** mode/#bzflag [+v meacan] by JeffM2501
23:51.17meacanHi all
23:52.06JeffM2501hello
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23:57.26*** mode/#bzflag [+v orchid] by JeffM2501
23:57.29*** mode/#bzflag [+v spldart] by JeffM2501
23:58.36spldartcvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login isn't working for me... did I typO?
23:58.45spldartOh... and good evening
23:59.09JeffM2501sometimes it just dosn't work
23:59.28wizatcompspldart:  sourceforge has been having CVS issues for a while
23:59.32wizatcomptry again in a few hours
23:59.37spldartOh? what can I curse?
23:59.41spldartAh.. CVS
23:59.55spldartor... sourceforge's CVS

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