| 00:00.01 | JeffM2501 | even BZFlag |
| 00:00.06 | purple_cow | i mean, it's nice that they have a business model |
| 00:00.12 | JeffM2501 | they have bzflag in the CnR |
| 00:00.15 | purple_cow | but as a free software developer, it raises the ire |
| 00:00.18 | purple_cow | aaronf0: oh? |
| 00:00.22 | aaronf0 | i think |
| 00:00.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah it has |
| 00:00.37 | JeffM2501 | but hey, the computer was 179$ |
| 00:00.40 | aaronf0 | buy gcc, autotools, make, and some stuff |
| 00:00.42 | aaronf0 | like links |
| 00:00.44 | JeffM2501 | I can't complain on the OS that came with it |
| 00:00.48 | aaronf0 | download+compile the rest |
| 00:01.11 | aaronf0 | although who the hell will buy an os that charges the hell out of you for stuff? |
| 00:01.15 | JeffM2501 | aaronf0, or just wipe the drive |
| 00:01.21 | aaronf0 | are they trying to turn people off using linux? |
| 00:01.28 | JeffM2501 | aaronf0, again it came ON the computer |
| 00:01.30 | aaronf0 | JeffM2501: well, that too |
| 00:01.40 | aaronf0 | JeffM2501: i know, but its supposed to push away windows |
| 00:01.43 | JeffM2501 | most people just install there own windos |
| 00:01.51 | JeffM2501 | linux isn't "suposed" to do anything |
| 00:01.54 | JeffM2501 | it's software |
| 00:01.55 | aaronf0 | JeffM2501: if thats my first impression of linux, i would never use it again |
| 00:01.56 | JeffM2501 | it is what it is |
| 00:02.06 | JeffM2501 | just the freaking zeallots think it has to rule the world |
| 00:02.17 | JeffM2501 | actualy it was a rather cool distro |
| 00:02.21 | JeffM2501 | very friendly |
| 00:02.58 | aaronf0 | ohh |
| 00:03.01 | aaronf0 | well in that ase |
| 00:03.03 | aaronf0 | *case |
| 00:03.40 | JeffM2501 | at least it told me there would be linux drivers for the onboard chipsets :) |
| 00:03.53 | aaronf0 | lol |
| 00:04.35 | JeffM2501 | linux sound drivers have allways given me greif |
| 00:04.58 | aaronf0 | odd, im fine with them |
| 00:05.20 | purple_cow | the only sound card that really has great support on linux is the sb live :P |
| 00:05.30 | JeffM2501 | that is true |
| 00:05.50 | JeffM2501 | mobo chipset on the main machine has decent support, just getting it to run out of the spidf out is a pita |
| 00:08.20 | JeffM2501 | 10 gig s for windows, 28 for linux, should be nice :) |
| 00:08.46 | JeffM2501 | next it just needs real ram |
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| 02:39.51 | lan56 | grr, I usually wake up from day naps feeling refreshed and with more energy, I wake up this time with a headache and barely enough energy to sit here right now :( |
| 02:40.20 | orange | I hate naps |
| 02:40.30 | lan56 | they waste time in the day |
| 03:13.16 | trepan | seem to be able to shoot folks with an x86-64 client |
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| 03:47.05 | brlcad | trepan: hehe |
| 03:50.29 | orange | brlcad: re-pong |
| 03:50.39 | brlcad | ah, howdy |
| 03:50.52 | brlcad | i noticed your bzfs crashed |
| 03:51.01 | orange | really? hmmm |
| 03:51.05 | orange | did someone bring it up? |
| 03:51.16 | brlcad | not that I know of |
| 03:51.35 | orange | ~bzfquery silvercat.bzflag.bz:3171 |
| 03:51.53 | brlcad | it was early this morning at some point |
| 03:51.59 | brlcad | i can get the time if you really want to know |
| 03:52.41 | orange | had one crash at around 15:34 today with error code 139 |
| 03:53.00 | orange | but I should ask... what tipped you off to it? |
| 03:53.23 | brlcad | sounds about right |
| 03:53.28 | brlcad | that'd still be morning for me |
| 03:54.13 | brlcad | ah no tip, I get a live notification when any app on the system crashes |
| 03:54.19 | orange | /shutdownserver was used, wonder if that'd do it |
| 03:54.34 | orange | no, not on that one, hmmm |
| 03:54.54 | brlcad | did you have it dump a core? |
| 03:55.49 | orange | it did leave a core |
| 03:56.06 | orange | /usr/home/mdw/silvercat/bzfs.core |
| 03:56.12 | orange | only 1.5M |
| 03:56.14 | brlcad | excellent |
| 03:56.25 | brlcad | backtrace? |
| 03:56.50 | orange | could this relate to poll set of non-existent variables? |
| 03:57.03 | orange | because I think someone did a poll set of _leaveMap to try to end the game |
| 03:57.15 | brlcad | possibly.. obviously shouldn't |
| 03:57.30 | orange | I've heard that using such a thing is a hack |
| 03:57.47 | orange | perhaps it is a hack because it crashes the server rather than actually doing anything official |
| 04:00.33 | brlcad | bleh, acts like the core is stripped |
| 04:00.54 | brlcad | and gives be wrong symbols if I pass your bzfs.. has it been recompiled since? |
| 04:01.48 | brlcad | hmm, guess not according to stamp |
| 04:08.16 | orange | I may have stripped bzfs :-/ |
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| 04:10.45 | lan56 | is there a special library that is used for global authentication? when I build my own bzflag, I can connect to a server but not using global authentication, and I also can't download the server list in the game |
| 04:11.03 | lan56 | I am wondering if there is something special I should look into or some other common problem |
| 04:12.23 | lan56 | when I try to use global auth or download the list, it quits immediatly without resetting the colors so I know it didnt just quit normally but it didnt crash too badly that it can't handle it itself |
| 04:13.59 | lan56 | I am building using dev-c++, when I use the vc++ build that I downloaded as a release, it works fine |
| 04:14.20 | brlcad | orange: it doesn't seem stripped, the core just might be be big enough |
| 04:14.28 | brlcad | orange: there is _leaveMap has been set |
| 04:14.34 | brlcad | in the core |
| 04:14.40 | brlcad | so mighty likely |
| 04:15.14 | brlcad | lan56: no special library, just different build options -- probably curl/ares or somesuch |
| 04:15.36 | brlcad | er, i guess that would be the "special" library.. read it wrong |
| 04:16.09 | lan56 | well I am using curl with no ssl version 7.13 (7.14 fails too) and I am compiling with the bzflag c-ares files |
| 04:16.45 | lan56 | sry curl with ssl |
| 04:16.50 | lan56 | but no ssl fails too |
| 04:17.11 | brlcad | doesnt need ssl |
| 04:17.28 | lan56 | right but either way it has the same problem |
| 04:17.35 | brlcad | might be a define that you're not setting to let the code know to enable the curl code |
| 04:17.53 | lan56 | let me check what I have defined in terms of curl |
| 04:19.12 | lan56 | I have no #defines containing "curl" |
| 04:19.21 | lan56 | unless there are some that don't contain the word |
| 04:19.31 | brlcad | read configure.ac, see what it sets |
| 04:19.37 | lan56 | sure |
| 04:22.05 | orange | brlcad: very odd |
| 04:22.39 | brlcad | lan56: hmm, i didn't find any symbols in the latest cvs at least |
| 04:22.58 | lan56 | configure.ac doesnt say about any defines |
| 04:23.05 | orange | brlcad: but I guess it makes sense, so it might be considered a bug |
| 04:23.07 | brlcad | orange: not so odd really, probably either the bzdb is crashing or the poll set command itself |
| 04:23.18 | brlcad | definitely |
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| 05:01.42 | JeffM250Ub | ahh the joy of geting needed package :) |
| 05:03.51 | brlcad | mmm. female package. |
| 05:06.39 | JeffM250Ub | heh, it can't find c++ |
| 05:07.47 | JeffM250Ub | heh |
| 05:07.57 | JeffM250Ub | any idea what the package name for GCC is? |
| 05:08.28 | brlcad | i'm having trouble focusing on the keyboard right now |
| 05:08.35 | brlcad | so i don't htink so |
| 05:08.36 | JeffM250Ub | what ya drinkin? |
| 05:08.46 | brlcad | wine, yum wine |
| 05:09.12 | brlcad | it mattered when I ohpened the bottle, now not so much |
| 05:12.27 | trepan | JeffM250Ub: tried g++? |
| 05:14.03 | JeffM250Ub | don't see a package named that |
| 05:14.43 | trepan | apt listing? |
| 05:14.53 | JeffM250Ub | searching in synaptic |
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| 05:15.48 | JeffM250Ub | checking how to run the C++ preprocessor... /lib/cpp |
| 05:15.48 | JeffM250Ub | configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 05:15.48 | JeffM250Ub | See `config.log' for more details. |
| 05:15.48 | JeffM250Ub | jeffm@luna:~/bzflag$ locate cpp |
| 05:16.32 | JeffM250Ub | you get your system going? |
| 05:16.33 | brlcad | what was the results of that locate? |
| 05:16.40 | trepan | try: apt-get install g++-4.0 |
| 05:17.17 | trepan | yup, just adding the personal touches to it |
| 05:17.40 | JeffM250Ub | how do you like it? |
| 05:17.56 | trepan | nc + tar got all of the old stuff from my old drive (bought a null-eth cable...) |
| 05:18.20 | trepan | so far, so good, the vidcard rocks, but the sound is a bit iffy |
| 05:18.26 | JeffM250Ub | onboard? |
| 05:18.55 | trepan | yup, haven't decided to move my sblive over yet |
| 05:22.01 | JeffM250Ub | hmm dosn't seem to have STL now |
| 05:22.39 | trepan | that's odd, the deps. should have picked it all up |
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| 05:23.16 | JeffM250Ub | I'm not sure if synaptic is doing it all right |
| 05:23.59 | trepan | not too fond of gnome bloat |
| 05:26.06 | JeffM250Ub | what is wierd is that I've done this on my main just fine before |
| 05:26.51 | trepan | what's it looking for now? |
| 05:27.08 | JeffM250Ub | gl, a number of c++ std lib things |
| 05:27.53 | trepan | apt-file search </path/filename> can be useful |
| 05:29.14 | JeffM250Ub | may worry about it tomorow |
| 05:30.10 | JeffM2501 | I still haven't found a place to put the bloddy thing |
| 05:32.18 | JeffM2501 | and it needs real ram |
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| 06:22.34 | brlcad | JeffM2501: i've commited "most" of my mods, some of it was dirty hacking just getting it to compile hardcoding full-paths and I've left them out for now. |
| 06:24.26 | brlcad | one thing to pay attention to when/if you edit Makefiles is that tabs and blank lines matter a lot. they have a strict format. e.g. you can't have a build target line (e.g. "clean:") followed by a blank line -- the other "good practice" was to have it generate object files instead of compiling the sucker all in one shot. |
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| 06:32.36 | BZBot | New news from opencombatproject: rewrite the main makefile. it wasn't "too far" off from something sensible.... || fix makefile, missing menuBackground.cpp, case matters on libraries, set it up... || fix makefile, missing drawables.cpp, case matters on libraries, freetype library... || fix header file, sort alphabetically, library case matters, missing timer.cpp || need glu.h on os x || can't cast a reference to something not allocated. set it to |
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| 07:02.48 | BZBot | New news from opencombatproject: again, can't take a reference to a temporary object and expect defined behavior.... || missing comma in main() || missing string template header || typo on playeDB, sort lines. || first target becomes the default, so make 'all' the default || build SDLMain in client/src instead of the quick hack of tossing them into this... || SDLMain interface and implementation in order to get an Aqua SDL run-time loop.... |
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| 08:08.05 | LePoulpe303 | hi all ! |
| 08:08.13 | lan56 | bonjour! |
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| 09:26.51 | LePoulpe303 | Tupone : ping ? |
| 09:27.06 | Tupone | pong |
| 09:27.37 | LePoulpe303 | hi :) i would like to see if it's possible to add a topic for my project on bzflag forum |
| 09:28.35 | LePoulpe303 | it's an utility around bzflag |
| 09:29.49 | Tupone | php forum? you need to ask Jeff |
| 09:29.57 | Tupone | I mean bzbb |
| 09:30.29 | LePoulpe303 | ok ; i'll ask him ; thanks ! |
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| 15:07.12 | eXtreme | bzbb admins: loads of spam in registration issues. |
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| 15:27.43 | Saturos | Hi guys! Anybody here who has worked with bzfquery.php and could help me a bit? :) |
| 15:29.10 | Saturos | :) |
| 15:29.22 | Saturos | May I ask nevertheless? |
| 15:29.27 | Tupone | yeah |
| 15:29.54 | Saturos | bzfquery gets a lot of information from the server... like nobserverMax for example. |
| 15:30.03 | Saturos | I would need two things I couldnt locate so far: |
| 15:30.21 | Saturos | 1) The Game-Time which shows how long a running countdown will need to finish. |
| 15:30.27 | Saturos | 2) The team-scores. |
| 15:30.45 | Saturos | Does it give me these values somewhere and I didnt see it? |
| 15:30.58 | Tupone | I don't remember these 2 things exported by bzfs |
| 15:30.59 | orange | last time I looked game-time is not available that way at all |
| 15:31.15 | orange | I asked the same question, and the answer was that it would break protocol to get it |
| 15:31.24 | orange | so perhaps ask again for the next version :-) |
| 15:31.30 | Saturos | Hmm... because it is quite an important value when querying a match-server. |
| 15:31.46 | orange | yes, it is |
| 15:31.50 | Saturos | What about the team-scores? |
| 15:31.57 | orange | I didn't look for those myself |
| 15:32.01 | Tupone | not available |
| 15:32.35 | Saturos | Allright... sad to here this. |
| 15:33.17 | Saturos | Do you know how much traffic I put on the server when querrying it with bzfquery? Am I actually causing lag with doing it? |
| 15:33.18 | Tupone | a plugin can do this, but I hate plugin |
| 15:34.03 | Saturos | I can only write crappy php and html-sites. don't know anything about c++ (plugins). :) |
| 15:34.07 | Tupone | about 7/8 packet |
| 15:34.26 | Saturos | Which means? Sorry, that doesnt say much to me. :/ |
| 15:34.59 | Tupone | that depends on the pace you ask |
| 15:35.10 | Tupone | 7/8 packet are not much |
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| 15:35.22 | Saturos | Got it. |
| 15:35.28 | Tupone | but if you ask any 10 msec ... |
| 15:36.08 | Saturos | I'm not planning to do this. :) |
| 15:37.10 | Saturos | Thanks for the information c3po and orange! One last thing: What is "ntimeElapsed" and "nmaxTime"? |
| 15:37.24 | ToughShooter | Hallo Saturos |
| 15:37.30 | Saturos | Hi! :) |
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| 15:41.41 | Tupone | ntimeElapsed is the time from the start of game, incremented any 30 seconds |
| 15:43.11 | Saturos | Hmm... has "start of game" something to do with the countdown? Or is it counted from when the server itself was started? |
| 15:43.42 | Tupone | from the start of the game, when the first player join |
| 15:43.49 | Saturos | Oh. |
| 15:43.56 | Tupone | that seems fro the source |
| 15:44.11 | Tupone | but someone who use it more can know better |
| 15:44.11 | Saturos | Okay, it is quite useless for my purpose. :) |
| 15:44.40 | Saturos | Is somewhere an overview about everything you can query from a server? |
| 15:44.58 | Saturos | I have: nlen/ncode/nstyle/nmaxPlayers/nmaxShots/nrogueSize/nredSize/ngreenSize/nblueSize/npurpleSize/nobserverSize/nrogueMax/nredMax/ngreenMax/nblueMax/npurpleMax/nobserverMax/nshakeWins/nshakeTimeout/nmaxPlayerScore/nmaxTeamScore/nmaxTime/ntimeElapsed |
| 15:45.08 | Saturos | Is that all? |
| 15:45.26 | Tupone | yep |
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| 15:45.34 | Saturos | Good to know. |
| 15:45.45 | Saturos | What is ncode? And nlen? |
| 15:45.56 | Saturos | nstyle = gamestyle, I guess. |
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| 15:46.09 | Tupone | ncode and nlen are the header of the packet |
| 15:46.13 | Saturos | hey SportChick :) |
| 15:46.16 | Saturos | I see. |
| 15:46.17 | Tupone | any packet start with those |
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| 15:46.53 | Saturos | So it doesn't give the bzfs-version either? |
| 15:47.06 | SportChick | Saturos: hiya |
| 15:47.08 | SportChick | Saturos: did you see my response to your gu checker? :) |
| 15:47.21 | Saturos | Yep. >> http://guc.saturos.de |
| 15:47.32 | Saturos | Already included 5156, 59998, 59999 |
| 15:48.49 | Saturos | Are there more? I am not really familiar with the ducati-matchservers... :| |
| 15:48.50 | Tupone | Saturos: if the start of the timer is manual start game start from that, not when the 1st player join |
| 15:49.24 | Tupone | so countdown is linked with that |
| 15:49.32 | SportChick | Saturos: there are a number of others: proxs.bzflag.org:7001, tzl.bzflag.org:59999, bzi.catay.be:5154 |
| 15:49.38 | ToughShooter | Hi SportChick and ciao Tupone |
| 15:49.48 | Tupone | CIAo ToughShooter |
| 15:49.49 | SportChick | ToughShooter: hiya |
| 15:50.03 | SportChick | Tupone: ciao belli! |
| 15:50.21 | Tupone | and SportChick, too, (that is by default) |
| 15:50.33 | Saturos | So if I do a /countdown XX then ntimeElapsed reflects the elapsed time with one value per 30 seconds? |
| 15:51.12 | Tupone | when the game really start, you will have that at 0, and increased any 30 seconds |
| 15:51.17 | Saturos | What does it give me if there is no countdown started? |
| 15:51.27 | Saturos | Which would be the case most of the time. |
| 15:51.28 | Tupone | I guess 0, but dunno |
| 15:51.35 | Saturos | k |
| 15:51.45 | Saturos | I will check that... sounds nice. |
| 15:52.07 | Tupone | probably the last game value. So the limit |
| 15:52.22 | Saturos | Yeah, could be the case. |
| 15:52.24 | Grumbler | a little pg-13 humour http://www.purepwnage.com/ |
| 15:52.41 | Saturos | Boom Headshot! |
| 15:52.48 | Grumbler | heh |
| 15:52.56 | Saturos | :) |
| 15:53.38 | ToughShooter | Saturos: I would make the links not listing index.php |
| 15:54.04 | Saturos | I once downloaded all episodes... most of them are completely boring. Maybe all except of the one with jeremy and dough on the lan-party and dough playing CS |
| 15:54.19 | Saturos | ToughShooter: why? |
| 15:54.52 | blast007 | cuz it's not needed :) |
| 15:55.00 | ToughShooter | Saturos: You should do as generic as possible, so you can change the underlying tech later without having to take care of legacy stuff |
| 15:55.53 | blast007 | there is some use for it being there though, in case you rename the file (like for integrating it into another site) |
| 15:55.59 | Saturos | Aha... I had the advantage in mind that you can easily check any other server by just typing http://guc.saturos.de/index.php?server=address:port |
| 15:56.20 | blast007 | right now you could do: http://guc.saturos.de/?server=address:port |
| 15:56.25 | ToughShooter | yes |
| 15:56.44 | ToughShooter | and it is bad to use a real domain for naming schemes |
| 15:56.54 | ToughShooter | example.com is reserved for that |
| 15:58.04 | Grumbler | WoW is a feeling :) |
| 15:58.17 | ToughShooter | I make it as generic as possible so later it could be even Haskell doing the job :)) |
| 15:58.52 | Saturos | So what do you suggest? Saving the servers in a mysql-db? |
| 15:59.10 | ToughShooter | Nah, just good use of names :) |
| 15:59.17 | ToughShooter | err, URLs |
| 15:59.24 | Saturos | Gimme an example. :) |
| 15:59.31 | ToughShooter | get rid of what you don't need |
| 15:59.46 | blast007 | not sure what you were meaning about example.com stuff... |
| 16:00.05 | ToughShooter | like "picture" instead of "picture.png" |
| 16:00.14 | blast007 | bah |
| 16:00.18 | blast007 | that's a little extreme |
| 16:00.29 | ToughShooter | so you can change the whole thing later |
| 16:00.34 | blast007 | and requires modifications to apache's config typically |
| 16:00.41 | ToughShooter | yes |
| 16:00.47 | blast007 | no real benefit |
| 16:00.51 | ToughShooter | mod_rewrite |
| 16:01.24 | ToughShooter | but in this case it is simple: no index.php , because you don't need it |
| 16:01.41 | Saturos | huh |
| 16:02.16 | blast007 | there isn't any issue with leaving it in though |
| 16:02.48 | ToughShooter | if you want to do it later in $cool_language it is ugly having references that point to http://example.com/index.php?server=address:port instead of http://example.com/?server=address:port |
| 16:02.54 | blast007 | you could even make the file aware of it's own name, and only add the filename if it doesn't equal index.php |
| 16:03.40 | blast007 | ToughShooter: but if there are files like other.php and stuff.php, you still have the problem |
| 16:03.57 | ToughShooter | yes, there I use mod_rewrite |
| 16:04.06 | blast007 | and the naming scheme would be the least concern if you are rewritting the entire site in a different language |
| 16:04.11 | ToughShooter | if I have :) |
| 16:04.17 | blast007 | but really, for this, why bother? :) |
| 16:04.29 | Saturos | Sorry guys but I don't get the real, striking argument to change the website's structure. :/ |
| 16:04.38 | blast007 | it's not like it's 5000 files, so no need to change it |
| 16:04.56 | SportChick | btw, if anyone see mozul today, be sure to wish him a happy birthday!! |
| 16:05.20 | Saturos | Never saw "mozul" but I will keep it in mind. ;) |
| 16:07.23 | Tupone | SportChick: mozul is rarely here :( |
| 16:07.39 | blast007 | ~seen mozul |
| 16:07.46 | ibot | mozul <n=Kirk@ca-redbch-cuda1-c3b-a-40.stmnca.adelphia.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 28d 12h 55m 7s ago, saying: 'going to try something else.'. |
| 16:08.29 | Grumbler | SportChick: still in hawaii |
| 16:13.17 | SportChick | Grumbler: no, we got back this weekend |
| 16:13.39 | SportChick | if you put him on "notify", he's often on irc, I think he just forgets to log in |
| 16:13.43 | SportChick | or send him a memo :) |
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| 16:15.39 | menotume | ~wake Blue_Eyes |
| 16:15.41 | ibot | Blue_Eyes: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 16:28.32 | Blue_Eyes | ciao menotume :) |
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| 17:59.28 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, if your headake isn't too bad today, I hadn't goten to the server yet, thanks for the fixes :) |
| 18:04.08 | conanhome | ~dub |
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| 18:29.50 | Pimpi | ~bzflist |
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| 19:09.55 | Saturos | orange? tupone? :) |
| 19:10.02 | Tupone | ? |
| 19:10.29 | Saturos | Hu! Do you have a minute? |
| 19:10.43 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, what video card do you have on that decrepid PC? |
| 19:10.58 | Tupone | well, I have lot of them |
| 19:11.05 | Tupone | or they have me |
| 19:11.12 | Saturos | You told me it would be impossible to collect teamscores when querying a server... how does jbot in #bzleague do it then |
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| 19:11.14 | Saturos | ? |
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| 19:12.11 | Saturos | aah... killed the tab. sry. |
| 19:12.33 | Tupone | dunno, well, I also said that I'm not sure about that. Just trying to read at the code |
| 19:12.55 | JeffM2501 | tupone is one with the code |
| 19:13.38 | Saturos | Hmm... because obviously it is possible when an irc-bot is able to do it. |
| 19:13.44 | JeffM2501 | the man pees 1s and 0s |
| 19:13.47 | Chestal | bzquery.py displays team scores |
| 19:13.53 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: heh |
| 19:14.19 | JeffM2501 | Alfredo will rule them all one day |
| 19:15.06 | Tupone | Saturos: the only info seems to come from MsgQueryGame and MsgQueryPlayer. Whatever is there is available |
| 19:15.09 | Saturos | So bzfquery.php isnt able to do it but bzfquery.py? |
| 19:21.27 | JeffM2501 | awww brlcad made my makefile all purdy... how nice of him :) |
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| 19:55.10 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:55.12 | brlcad | no headache |
| 19:55.28 | brlcad | i'd have to get a lot more toasted than that |
| 19:58.29 | brlcad | JeffM2501: I do believe that is your best work to date.. very coolness |
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| 20:36.07 | gsnedders | wow... Viper's is so uneven it isn't fun. |
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| 20:43.29 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, thanks |
| 20:43.39 | JeffM2501 | it'll be more fun when it gets networking |
| 20:44.13 | JeffM2501 | tho why somone would try to run it on a 400mz K6 is beyond me |
| 20:45.42 | JeffM2501 | tho any idea why MS can do an ref to an unamed temp, and GCC can't? is there something in the spec that says it's invalid? |
| 20:46.22 | Chestal | the standard says that you cannot bind non-const refs to temporaries |
| 20:46.38 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:47.03 | JeffM2501 | so if I am passing a ref, just to save space, then I should make them const, since I'm not going to change them |
| 20:47.14 | JeffM2501 | that should work on both right? |
| 20:48.18 | Chestal | yes. Well, it's always a good idea to make a ref const if you don't need to change the object. And of course you better not store ref/pointer to temp object beyond it's lifetime |
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| 20:49.39 | joint | fhuu |
| 20:49.43 | Chestal | this non-const-ref thing has its pros and cons. Disallowing it avoids some extremely hard to find errors, but sometimes, it's just in your way and you have to circumvent it with some silly trick |
| 20:50.29 | joint | is this the place where i can solve the problem? :) |
| 20:50.40 | blast007 | joint: depends what the problem is :) |
| 20:50.46 | blast007 | we won't know until you ask |
| 20:50.58 | joint | or everybody are idling |
| 20:51.22 | joint | i have problem whit bzflag :)) |
| 20:51.31 | blast007 | okay... |
| 20:51.38 | joint | to concrete.. |
| 20:51.46 | joint | my problem is lag |
| 20:52.02 | joint | i cant fix it :/ |
| 20:52.12 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, I can make them const |
| 20:52.32 | joint | anybody can help me? |
| 20:52.43 | aaronf0 | but a new mode,? |
| 20:52.52 | joint | e? |
| 20:52.57 | blast007 | joint: what kind of connecton do you have? |
| 20:53.02 | joint | wifi |
| 20:53.15 | aaronf0 | do not stand in front of it? |
| 20:53.19 | aaronf0 | upgrade your computer? |
| 20:53.27 | aaronf0 | what kind of computer do you have, and graphics card? |
| 20:53.33 | joint | fhuu |
| 20:53.40 | joint | this depent on lag? |
| 20:53.43 | aaronf0 | yes |
| 20:53.44 | joint | depend |
| 20:53.46 | joint | hmm |
| 20:53.49 | aaronf0 | being high doesnt help |
| 20:53.54 | aaronf0 | that might be a problem |
| 20:53.54 | joint | how? |
| 20:54.01 | JeffM2501 | if your frame rate is too low, it can add fake lag |
| 20:54.23 | joint | fram rate is what? |
| 20:54.36 | JeffM2501 | your video |
| 20:54.37 | aaronf0 | how many frames are rendered per second |
| 20:54.38 | JeffM2501 | run the game |
| 20:54.42 | JeffM2501 | hit T |
| 20:54.46 | JeffM2501 | it'll give you a FPS |
| 20:54.52 | joint | and? |
| 20:55.04 | aaronf0 | paste it here |
| 20:55.06 | JeffM2501 | and tell us what it is |
| 20:55.13 | joint | ok w8 :) |
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| 20:57.52 | joint | T make nothing |
| 20:58.01 | joint | maybe i reconfigured it |
| 20:58.08 | JeffM2501 | it should add a small frame couter by the hud box |
| 20:58.20 | joint | hm |
| 20:58.34 | aaronf0 | joint: where are you from? is english your native lanuage, or are you just to high to type? |
| 20:58.47 | joint | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.05 | JeffM2501 | aaronf0, be nice |
| 20:59.15 | joint | im not high and im not from english speaking country |
| 20:59.19 | joint | :) |
| 20:59.39 | aaronf0 | JeffM2501: i dont mind if hes not an native english speaker, but if hes high, ill just go away and help someone else unless he can be bothered to type |
| 20:59.40 | JeffM2501 | how bad is your lag |
| 20:59.52 | JeffM2501 | aaronf0, then do it in PM |
| 20:59.57 | joint | about 400 |
| 20:59.59 | JeffM2501 | no need to publicly bash people |
| 21:00.10 | JeffM2501 | joint, what servers are you connecting to? |
| 21:00.15 | joint | aaronf0: whats the problem?? |
| 21:00.19 | JeffM2501 | are you en europe? |
| 21:00.27 | blast007 | IP Whois says Slovakia |
| 21:00.33 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:00.33 | joint | JeffM2501: yes europe |
| 21:00.40 | JeffM2501 | then it could be 400 to US servers |
| 21:00.48 | JeffM2501 | that could just be normal lag |
| 21:00.58 | JeffM2501 | you can not fix real internet latency |
| 21:01.09 | joint | JeffM2501: im connecting to servers from the list |
| 21:01.10 | JeffM2501 | joint, are you playing on other servers in europe? or ones in the US? |
| 21:01.25 | aaronf0 | JeffM2501: huh? i can connect to europe servers fine from the us... |
| 21:01.25 | JeffM2501 | joint, those are all over the world |
| 21:01.30 | blast007 | aaronf0: sure, if you are on a good route to them |
| 21:01.46 | JeffM2501 | aaronf0, depends on your connecte, and will you PLEASE just let us help him and not be a peanut gallery? |
| 21:01.47 | joint | JeffM2501: and where can i check if this is europian or american |
| 21:01.56 | aaronf0 | joint: do you have a decent computer or graphics card? |
| 21:02.00 | JeffM2501 | joint, it is genearly part of the servers hostname |
| 21:02.16 | ToughShooter | .us is american, .com means commercial |
| 21:02.30 | JeffM2501 | joint, also what type of internet connection do you have? |
| 21:02.44 | ToughShooter | Servers in europe are like .de at the end |
| 21:02.44 | joint | aaronf0: decent..hmm..it should be better |
| 21:02.48 | joint | JeffM2501: wifi |
| 21:02.55 | JeffM2501 | connected to what? |
| 21:03.18 | joint | i dont understand |
| 21:03.25 | joint | what do you mean |
| 21:03.30 | aaronf0 | joint: although if you have a older or real old graphics card you can get a lot of lag... |
| 21:03.32 | JeffM2501 | do you know what it's speed is? |
| 21:03.42 | aaronf0 | joint: dsl, cable, dialup? |
| 21:03.44 | JeffM2501 | aaronf0, can you please let him concentrate on one thing at a time |
| 21:03.51 | JeffM2501 | you arn't realy helping |
| 21:04.02 | joint | aaronf0: i dont thing its old |
| 21:04.07 | JeffM2501 | start simple, then work up to more complex things |
| 21:04.08 | joint | think |
| 21:04.16 | JeffM2501 | joint, what server are you getting 400ms at? |
| 21:04.16 | joint | JeffM2501: :) |
| 21:04.19 | JeffM2501 | lets start there |
| 21:04.33 | aaronf0 | joint: answer JeffM2501 so he wont flip out and kick me ;) |
| 21:04.46 | JeffM2501 | aaronf0, all you ahve to do is shut up |
| 21:04.54 | JeffM2501 | and let him answer |
| 21:04.54 | joint | JeffM2501: you want from me concrete names? :) |
| 21:04.57 | aaronf0 | lol, k |
| 21:04.59 | JeffM2501 | yes I do |
| 21:05.11 | JeffM2501 | just one name |
| 21:05.18 | joint | w8 ill check |
| 21:05.20 | JeffM2501 | so I can get an idea of what your lag should be |
| 21:05.33 | JeffM2501 | then we can tell if it is good or bad and what you can possibly do |
| 21:07.29 | joint | so |
| 21:07.39 | joint | i connected to 204.56.5.208 |
| 21:07.46 | joint | and my lag was 420 |
| 21:07.57 | JeffM2501 | what server is that? |
| 21:07.57 | joint | for example |
| 21:08.00 | joint | thats the name |
| 21:08.03 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 21:08.07 | JeffM2501 | let me see where it is |
| 21:08.07 | joint | 204.56.5.208 |
| 21:08.15 | blast007 | IP is registered to University of Missouri - Kansas City |
| 21:08.28 | joint | so? |
| 21:08.37 | JeffM2501 | 400 could be normal to that |
| 21:08.44 | joint | hmm |
| 21:08.54 | blast007 | you can try a ping and a tracert to that IP as well |
| 21:08.54 | joint | but server is showing me that |
| 21:09.05 | Chestal | joint: are you on Windows, Mac or Linux or something else? |
| 21:09.10 | joint | win |
| 21:09.13 | JeffM2501 | well then try one that is posibly closer |
| 21:09.25 | Chestal | joint: try a tracert from command line then |
| 21:09.28 | JeffM2501 | you can do a tping to it and see what your real route time is |
| 21:09.50 | joint | but how can i look for neares server |
| 21:10.21 | JeffM2501 | well look at the descriptions and addresses, usualy that gives you an indication |
| 21:10.25 | JeffM2501 | or just keep trying difrent ones |
| 21:10.31 | joint | aha |
| 21:10.37 | JeffM2501 | try these |
| 21:10.37 | JeffM2501 | viper.pimpi.org or dub.bzflag.org:5154 |
| 21:10.38 | blast007 | .de ones would be closer |
| 21:10.48 | joint | ok |
| 21:10.51 | JeffM2501 | they are in germany |
| 21:11.01 | joint | you are from usa? |
| 21:11.01 | _Manu_ | viper.pimpi.org:5158 :) |
| 21:11.11 | JeffM2501 | what they said :) |
| 21:11.16 | trepan | JeffM2501: the nvsound driver for my onboard card is worst then the kernel one (OSS only, and poor), looks like it's soundcard swappin' time |
| 21:11.30 | joint | hm? |
| 21:11.49 | JeffM2501 | trepan, that's what I have heard is the least supported part |
| 21:12.10 | joint | som closing applications like icq would not help? |
| 21:12.14 | JeffM2501 | it could |
| 21:12.24 | JeffM2501 | it can't hurt |
| 21:13.27 | joint | so to fix my lag..shoul I choose server from europe? :) |
| 21:13.34 | blast007 | yup |
| 21:13.38 | blast007 | that should help |
| 21:13.38 | JeffM2501 | joint, there will allways be SOME lag |
| 21:13.40 | joint | uh |
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| 21:13.51 | JeffM2501 | the farther you are from the server the longer the signal takes to get there |
| 21:13.56 | JeffM2501 | that means more lag |
| 21:14.01 | JeffM2501 | closer servers will be faster |
| 21:14.40 | joint | because im ussualy kicked |
| 21:14.41 | JeffM2501 | if your framerate is low then that can also add more lag |
| 21:14.41 | joint | cos of lag |
| 21:14.42 | JeffM2501 | you can try to lower your graphic settingts to see if that helps your lag |
| 21:14.42 | JeffM2501 | if it dosn't then you are just on a laggy connection |
| 21:14.43 | JeffM2501 | wifi isn't allways that great |
| 21:15.22 | _Manu_ | joint, try to connect viper.pimpi.org:5158 it's a german server and your lag may be good there |
| 21:15.39 | joint | JeffM2501: where can i cange key for showing framerate? |
| 21:15.57 | _Manu_ | T key |
| 21:16.00 | blast007 | 't' should work, but you have to wait a few seconds |
| 21:16.03 | JeffM2501 | in the key configuration part under settings |
| 21:16.07 | joint | t doesnt work |
| 21:16.09 | JeffM2501 | but yes, T shoudl do it |
| 21:16.15 | ToughShooter | try s for hiding and re-showing scoreboard |
| 21:16.23 | blast007 | it will show up above the mouse box (the bigger box in the middle) |
| 21:16.25 | joint | it seem i changed it :) |
| 21:16.38 | ToughShooter | maybe the FPS number is behind the scoreboard |
| 21:16.41 | _Manu_ | joint, you can remap the key again |
| 21:16.57 | joint | but i dont know which |
| 21:17.15 | JeffM2501 | it will be in your settings page |
| 21:17.16 | trepan | think 't' is hardcoded |
| 21:17.22 | JeffM2501 | there is an option to show the keymap |
| 21:17.24 | Pimpi | joint: bzflag.gamesunited.de and dub.bzflag.org should be low-lag for you too |
| 21:17.25 | JeffM2501 | just look around |
| 21:17.32 | JeffM2501 | use your brain |
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| 21:17.39 | blast007 | actually, it's not an option to change it from what I can see |
| 21:17.39 | joint | Pimpi: thx |
| 21:17.49 | joint | hmm |
| 21:18.31 | joint | ok |
| 21:18.39 | joint | i will try it |
| 21:19.40 | _Manu_ | gute nacht Pimpi |
| 21:19.48 | joint | JeffM2501: and what was the aaronf()s problem with me? |
| 21:19.59 | Pimpi | g'ntie _Manu_ :) |
| 21:20.03 | JeffM2501 | I do not think it was with you, but a problem with himself |
| 21:20.07 | JeffM2501 | to not worry about it |
| 21:20.10 | joint | :) |
| 21:20.12 | Pimpi | nite even |
| 21:20.18 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 21:20.38 | joint | JeffM2501: and you are from states? |
| 21:20.40 | _Manu_ | Pimpi, in spanish "buenas noches" :) |
| 21:20.50 | JeffM2501 | yes, I live in California |
| 21:20.57 | joint | ok :) |
| 21:21.20 | joint | thank you boys (and girls ?) :) |
| 21:21.36 | JeffM2501 | best of luck finding a low lag server |
| 21:21.42 | joint | :) |
| 21:21.43 | _Manu_ | joint, are you going to play or just talking? :) |
| 21:21.56 | joint | im gonna try it :) |
| 21:22.05 | joint | cu |
| 21:23.07 | blast007 | darn, just got a screenshot of the FPS meter uploaded ;) |
| 21:23.59 | JeffM2501 | blast007, the /r thing on the installer worked great |
| 21:24.07 | blast007 | cool |
| 21:24.09 | JeffM2501 | I have it just including all of /data |
| 21:24.27 | gsnedders | _Manu_, i did actually go :P |
| 21:24.39 | _Manu_ | gsnedders, :) |
| 21:32.44 | ruskie | ... |
| 21:33.17 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 21:33.38 | ruskie | <-- is in bed happily doing stuff on his lappy... |
| 21:33.58 | gsnedders | ? |
| 21:34.00 | ruskie | though can't play bzf on it :( |
| 21:34.16 | gsnedders | mwhahaha. |
| 21:34.27 | ruskie | no 3d accell |
| 21:34.49 | ruskie | but well atleast it's a laptop and it has 4-5 hours autonomy... |
| 21:35.03 | ruskie | 8 hours if I don't touch it... |
| 21:35.22 | Tupone | 1 week if powered off |
| 21:35.33 | ruskie | lol |
| 21:36.12 | ruskie | need to get a second battery though... |
| 21:36.23 | ruskie | which would cost me about the same as I payed for this laptop :) |
| 21:36.33 | gsnedders | my dad's laptop has a battery life of 0 |
| 21:37.14 | gsnedders | seems to be a problem of a very few of the latest rev of powerbooks, that were built before it was announced |
| 21:37.17 | gsnedders | :P |
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| 21:39.22 | JeffM2501 | BZBot, rss announce --remove opencombatproject |
| 21:39.22 | BZBot | JeffM2501: okay |
| 21:40.11 | Tupone | gina :) |
| 21:40.23 | gina | ttttt |
| 21:40.56 | Tupone | ggggg |
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| 22:45.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (GameKeeper.cxx bzfs.cxx): When getting error on connection drop all players on that |
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| 23:48.57 | _FantasticFoo_ | anyone know why i get this error? http://rafb.net/paste/results/q3UYI440.html |
| 23:49.02 | _FantasticFoo_ | CVS, 2.0.5 |
| 23:49.16 | _FantasticFoo_ | just grabbed it off of CVS a few mins ago |
| 23:49.43 | JeffM2501 | that error is in SDL |
| 23:49.44 | JeffM2501 | not bzflag |
| 23:49.49 | _FantasticFoo_ | ahh |
| 23:49.53 | _FantasticFoo_ | should i upgrade? |
| 23:50.09 | JeffM2501 | I'd make sure your SDL is current for your system |
| 23:50.35 | _FantasticFoo_ | k |
| 23:50.55 | _FantasticFoo_ | crud |
| 23:50.55 | _FantasticFoo_ | it is |
| 23:51.07 | _FantasticFoo_ | oh nvm |
| 23:51.14 | _FantasticFoo_ | i have 1.2.8, latest = 1.2.9 |
| 23:59.45 | _FantasticFoo_ | hmm |