irclog2html for #bzflag on 20051217

`00:07.41`	`JeffM2501`	`now it can't find openGL stuff :(`
`00:07.52`	`JeffM2501`	`it shoudl be ok with just`
`00:07.53`	`JeffM2501`	`#include <GL/gl.h>`
`00:07.53`	`JeffM2501`	`#include <GL/glu.h>`
`00:07.54`	`JeffM2501`	`right?`
`00:09.51`	`trepan`	`what's the specific error?`
`00:10.08`	`JeffM2501`	`tha'ts what I'm trying to find out, it is sending it off the top of my terminal`
`00:10.21`	`JeffM2501`	`yet won't log it using tee or >`
`00:11.30`	`trepan`	`something like: make 2>&1 \| tee log`
`00:29.18`	`JeffM2501`	`wtf is 2>&1 ?`
`00:29.32`	`brlcad`	`that redirects stderr to stdout`
`00:29.36`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh ok`
`00:29.52`	`Ice_Wewe`	`hey JeffM2501, am I allowed to have a custom state, like trepan and the "Dev Monkey" thing?`
`00:29.58`	`JeffM2501`	`is there a swithc that makes gcc put errors to std out?`
`00:30.10`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, custom rank you mean?`
`00:30.26`	`brlcad`	`a switch? i doubt it`
`00:30.31`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`00:30.32`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: yea, that`
`00:30.34`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: don't think gcc replicates the shell's functionality`
`00:30.35`	`brlcad`	`since you can just redirect`
`00:30.48`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`00:30.55`	`JeffM2501`	`well at lesat I can log it now`
`00:30.56`	`JeffM2501`	`thanks`
`00:31.23`	`trepan`	`(note: i probably have the redirect in the wrong spot, "make 2>&1 \| tee log 2>&1" might work better)`
`00:31.59`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: so, is that possible?`
`00:32.01`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, custom ranks are given out to people who do nice things for the project, are around a long time, have had a drink with me, or have done something rather amusing to deserve it`
`00:32.07`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, anything is possible`
`00:32.19`	`JeffM2501`	`it's just the question if we want to give you one`
`00:32.31`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: ahh`
`00:32.35`	`JeffM2501`	`in general if you have to ask for one, then it's iffy if you should get one`
`00:32.40`	`JeffM2501`	`what did you want it to be?`
`00:32.41`	`Ice_Wewe`	`right`
`00:32.51`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Probably something like "Bumbling idiot"`
`00:33.15`	`JeffM2501`	`if you get a rank with the word "idiot" in it, I'll be setting that one myself`
`00:33.28`	`Ice_Wewe`	`eh? we can set our own ranks?`
`00:33.34`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`00:33.38`	`Ice_Wewe`	`oh.... I get it`
`00:33.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I mean picking the text of it myself`
`00:33.42`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lol :P`
`00:33.55`	`Ice_Wewe`	`what would you put, that included idiot?`
`00:34.02`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Master Chief idiot?`
`00:34.11`	`JeffM2501`	`I would not say it here`
`00:34.17`	`JeffM2501`	`there are children present`
`00:34.17`	`brlcad`	`Master Idiot Chef!`
`00:34.25`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: ok, so /msg me`
`00:34.31`	`JeffM2501`	`naw`
`00:34.34`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Ice Idiot?`
`00:34.46`	`JeffM2501`	`why do you think you deserve a custom rank?`
`00:34.52`	`Ice_Wewe`	`hmmmm`
`00:35.00`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I've been around for a year`
`00:35.03`	`Ice_Wewe`	`(registered)`
`00:35.09`	`JeffM2501`	`what have you done to put yourslef up in the ranks of trepan, nid, brlcad, and the like?`
`00:35.14`	`JeffM2501`	`umm a year`
`00:35.15`	`JeffM2501`	`wow`
`00:35.17`	`Ice_Wewe`	`well, as of January 9th I will be`
`00:35.18`	`JeffM2501`	`that's AMAZING`
`00:35.25`	`JeffM2501`	`so you want a reward for not quiting?`
`00:35.29`	`Ice_Wewe`	`wow, I can almost taste the sarcasm`
`00:35.42`	`orchid`	`~sarcasm`
`00:35.43`	`ibot`	`Oh a sarcasm detector, that's a really useful invention!`
`00:35.48`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lol`
`00:35.59`	`Ice_Wewe`	`how about "Useless Invention"`
`00:36.08`	`JeffM2501`	`orchid earned her rank`
`00:36.29`	`JeffM2501`	`actualy staying registered for over a year takes allmost 0 effort`
`00:36.34`	`JeffM2501`	`since you don't have to do a damn thing`
`00:36.55`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lol, true`
`00:37.13`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: I don't know if you remember, but I did point out a small bug to you`
`00:37.20`	`Ice_Wewe`	`(there, I thought of a reason)`
`00:37.24`	`JeffM2501`	`I mean your allready patting yourslef on the back, and making yourself out to be something your not in your sig allready`
`00:37.29`	`JeffM2501`	`I mean how small can it be man?`
`00:37.35`	`JeffM2501`	`do you drive a huge SUV too?`
`00:37.48`	`Ice_Wewe`	`no`
`00:38.00`	`JeffM2501`	`see, your also a damned thief`
`00:38.16`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I pointed out that a command needed an @ after it for bzflag to compile.`
`00:38.21`	`Ice_Wewe`	`CBG is also humble`
`00:38.31`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, umm ok, and your the only person to do that`
`00:38.32`	`CBG`	`no, I just learn.`
`00:38.37`	`JeffM2501`	`and noone else woudl have found it?`
`00:38.41`	`CBG`	`You have to earn things.`
`00:38.43`	`JeffM2501`	`you wanta a cookie?`
`00:38.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`sure!`
`00:38.56`	`CBG`	`I don't deserve a custom rank. I am too much of a jerk.`
`00:39.20`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: how am I "making yourself out to be something your not in your sig allready" ?`
`00:39.48`	`JeffM2501`	`just read it`
`00:40.09`	`CBG`	`"Ice Wewe (~~~ The Head Honcho himself ~~~) " ...`
`00:40.17`	`JeffM2501`	`reember that PM where you told me to not have any "designs" on the term "head honcho" in your sig`
`00:40.20`	`JeffM2501`	`becaus you were using it`
`00:40.26`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah... little vain there skip`
`00:40.31`	`CBG`	`I would suggest Tim Riker is the only one who can say that on the official BZFlag forums.`
`00:40.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`oh right...`
`00:40.52`	`Ice_Wewe`	`it's all coming back now...`
`00:40.58`	`CBG`	`oh no.. :(`
`00:41.11`	`JeffM2501`	`tho I probably spelled it wrong`
`00:41.15`	`CBG`	`What for? You know I'm a munchkin, JeffM2501...`
`00:41.34`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`00:41.39`	`JeffM2501`	`not as bad as some others`
`00:41.45`	`CBG`	`iittiest?`
`00:41.58`	`JeffM2501`	`well you don't want to be the biggest do you?`
`00:41.59`	`CBG`	`or is my eye sight going and its a L not an I ?`
`00:42.15`	`CBG`	`I dont want to be known as a mapper :)`
`00:42.21`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`00:42.22`	`CBG`	`I'm not. I was.`
`00:42.32`	`Ice_Wewe`	`CBG: lol`
`00:42.32`	`CBG`	`I havent made one in ages, I don;t have time now.`
`00:42.56`	`Workaphobia`	`Ibot has simpsons quotes? I'm officially in awe of it now.`
`00:42.57`	`JeffM2501`	`fine fine`
`00:42.58`	`CBG`	`I ain't even a mapping jerk. I'm a plain old jerk now. Simple as.`
`00:43.02`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ohh, I got a rhyming one!`
`00:43.06`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Master Moron`
`00:43.11`	`CBG`	`lol Workaphobia`
`00:43.18`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, I doubt your a master of anything`
`00:43.23`	`CBG`	`Ice_Wewe: How about "won't stfu!" ?`
`00:43.30`	`Ice_Wewe`	`CBG: lol`
`00:43.41`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, we have another rank for that`
`00:43.41`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: can I get "Windows hater"?`
`00:43.48`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`00:43.48`	`CBG`	`I was being dealy se.... oh, forget it.`
`00:43.51`	`Workaphobia`	`that's hardly unique`
`00:43.58`	`CBG`	`Damn right it's not.`
`00:44.09`	`Ice_Wewe`	`yes, but it describes me in less than 5 words`
`00:44.12`	`CBG`	`Oh, I am a captain again?`
`00:44.24`	`JeffM2501`	`why does your rank need to describe you?`
`00:44.32`	`JeffM2501`	`CBG, well you didn't like it`
`00:44.36`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: it doesn't, its just cool`
`00:44.36`	`CBG`	`"Stupid kid who won't shut up"... dang.. thats 6. :(`
`00:44.38`	`*** join/#bzflag Tupone (n=linuxclu@ppp-217-133-1-186.cust-adsl.tiscali.it)`
`00:44.44`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lol`
`00:44.57`	`CBG`	`Jeff: I don't deserve it and it was inaccurate, but it doesnt mean I didnt like it :)`
`00:45.08`	`purple_cow`	`my rank has absolutely nothing to do with anything`
`00:45.11`	`purple_cow`	`which is why it's cool`
`00:45.29`	`Workaphobia`	`well, your name has little to do with anything either.. One could argue it was only for consistency's sake ;)`
`00:46.06`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ll`
`00:46.09`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lol*`
`00:46.48`	`CBG`	`heh, you're right, purple_cow :)`
`00:47.03`	`CBG`	`Ahh`
`00:47.12`	`CBG`	`but Louman deserves something better.`
`00:47.13`	`JeffM2501`	`with some mods`
`00:47.17`	`CBG`	`Loumna rocks my socks.`
`00:47.18`	`JeffM2501`	`he did get something better`
`00:47.20`	`CBG`	`Ah, good.`
`00:47.30`	`JeffM2501`	`"Chief Sgt. of Cartography"`
`00:47.44`	`CBG`	`LD`
`00:47.46`	`CBG`	`:D *`
`00:47.53`	`JeffM2501`	`it made sense`
`00:48.18`	`JeffM2501`	`"the only mapper who gets it" didn't fit right`
`00:48.31`	`CBG`	`But, was accurate and deserved. :)`
`00:48.40`	`CBG`	`s/was/would be :)`
`00:48.44`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`00:49.42`	`CBG`	`What use is this hand now? Tss...`
`00:49.44`	`Ice_Wewe`	`you should get that clensed...`
`00:49.55`	`CBG`	`What wouldd that do?`
`00:49.59`	`CBG`	`It'd still be useless.`
`00:50.02`	`Ice_Wewe`	`What man would want you now? (talking to the hand)`
`00:50.07`	`CBG`	`I think i'll gave to burn it.`
`00:50.15`	`CBG`	`have*`
`00:50.28`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lol`
`00:50.30`	`JeffM2501`	`I think this FC4 machine just dosn't have all the right dev libs`
`00:50.35`	`Ice_Wewe`	`that might hurt`
`00:50.52`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: yea, did they upgrade the package manager in FC4? It sure sucked in FC3.`
`00:51.06`	`JeffM2501`	`I dono`
`00:51.16`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't even remember installing FC4`
`00:51.40`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Oh, I've got a rank. Tryer of Distrobutions. Since I've been through... hmmm.... 7 in less than a year...`
`00:51.49`	`Ice_Wewe`	`oh wait, more than a year`
`00:51.52`	`Ice_Wewe`	`only 5 in a year`
`00:52.02`	`CBG`	`*sigh(`
`00:52.03`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, and we care about that why?`
`00:52.05`	`Ice_Wewe`	`wait wait... 7 in a year, 9 total`
`00:52.16`	`CBG`	`The more you ask the less likelihood of you getting.`
`00:52.17`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe if your avatar wasn't lame`
`00:52.28`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: cause, I'm in constant search for the perfect Linux OS, I thought I found it once...`
`00:52.29`	`CBG`	`It's not lame, JeffM2501.`
`00:52.35`	`CBG`	`It's in a whole new league...`
`00:52.38`	`Ice_Wewe`	`it's just horrible annoying`
`00:52.54`	`Ice_Wewe`	`it actually wasn't meant to be an animated gif`
`00:52.57`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, again, and why do we care about your search for distors`
`00:53.02`	`JeffM2501`	`it's still lame`
`00:53.04`	`Ice_Wewe`	`but for some reason it turned out to be one`
`00:53.17`	`trepan`	`Ice_Wewe: you want two spelling mistakes in your rank?`
`00:53.35`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: because this means I have the increadible ability to tell people which Linux Distrobutions are good, and which ones aren't`
`00:53.49`	`Ice_Wewe`	`trepan: I've made splling mistakes? Imposible!`
`00:54.22`	`CBG`	`Ice_Wewe: Always remember not to any words out.`
`00:55.01`	`Workaphobia`	`"Bahd spheelers uv teh whirrld, UNTIE!"`
`00:55.22`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, no, you have that ability because you are an opinionated asshat`
`00:56.23`	`Workaphobia`	`cool, I was afraid that one was overdone.`
`00:56.36`	`JeffM2501`	`I love to untie!`
`00:56.51`	`Ice_Wewe`	`oh... can my rank be "Asshat"?`
`00:57.27`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`00:57.28`	`CBG`	`No, SPAMMING ASSHAT is more appropriate, ref: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=6213 .`
`00:57.34`	`JeffM2501`	`that rank is allready in there and special`
`00:57.41`	`CBG`	`Hey kids, Lets start another OS WAR!!! >:)`
`00:57.50`	`DTRemenak`	`so much tension and hostility. can't we all just get along? :(`
`00:58.05`	`trepan`	`DTRemenak: bite me`
`00:58.11`	`trepan`	`;)`
`00:58.17`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`00:58.18`	`Ice_Wewe`	`CBG: ok`
`00:58.26`	`DTRemenak`	`:)`
`00:58.32`	`Ice_Wewe`	`~bite trepan`
`00:58.34`	`ibot`	`ACTION takes a big bite out of trepan's jugular vein`
`00:59.02`	`Ice_Wewe`	`CBG: oh really? can we? I do so love OS wars.`
`00:59.23`	`Ice_Wewe`	`hey JeffM2501, can we have a section of BZBB devoted to people who want to fight about what OS is better?`
`00:59.27`	`Workaphobia`	`reads thread I'd have to agree with him on the win98 thing.`
`00:59.41`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Workaphobia: what? Of course you have it, it's a fact.`
`00:59.50`	`DTRemenak`	`Ice_Wewe: have you read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll ?`
`01:00.00`	`CBG`	`~dict comples`
`01:00.15`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Why, Microshaft stopped supporting it so that people would be forced to go to a newer piece of... I mean OS`
`01:00.16`	`CBG`	`Hmm, Ice_Wewe tell me what "comples" means, please.`
`01:00.28`	`Ice_Wewe`	`CBG`
`01:00.29`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ok`
`01:00.30`	`CBG`	`I can't find a def. for it anywhere. :(`
`01:01.23`	`Ice_Wewe`	`well, is that because you mean this: compels`
`01:01.44`	`CBG`	`Correct: _you_ meant "compels". Not me :)`
`01:01.52`	`CBG`	`Correctopn*`
`01:01.57`	`CBG`	`Correctoin*`
`01:02.03`	`Ice_Wewe`	`CBG: Merriam-Websters doesn't know about comples, perhaps you should submit it to them ;)`
`01:02.03`	`Workaphobia`	`third's a charm`
`01:02.04`	`CBG`	`Correctiin*`
`01:02.07`	`Workaphobia`	`or not`
`01:02.10`	`CBG`	`Correction* ;)`
`01:02.30`	`CBG`	`Ice_Wewe: You made it up... You own all rights to it.`
`01:02.40`	`Ice_Wewe`	`~dict compels`
`01:02.48`	`Ice_Wewe`	`~dict compel`
`01:03.01`	`Ice_Wewe`	`CBG: sweet`
`01:03.05`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ugg`
`01:03.09`	`CBG`	`What kind?`
`01:03.10`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Political debater time`
`01:03.26`	`Ice_Wewe`	`>:) I can't believe we pay these guys...`
`01:03.35`	`wizatcomputer`	`that's a useless definition`
`01:03.36`	`wizatcomputer`	`" Dictionary 'compel' (2 of 6): force or compel"`
`01:04.32`	`Ice_Wewe`	`wizatcomputer: don't complain, it gave you a definition`
`01:04.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`it being iBot`
`01:05.03`	`wizatcomputer`	`Ice_Wewe: that's like defining "help" as "to aid or help"`
`01:05.06`	`CBG`	`By definition, you cannot use the word you are defining to define it.`
`01:05.23`	`CBG`	`And less of the IT please, Ice_Wewe.`
`01:05.27`	`wizatcomputer`	`CBG: i think you may have just broken that rule`
`01:05.29`	`Workaphobia`	`if they were programmers, they'd recognize the recursion.`
`01:05.31`	`CBG`	`Show some respect for her.`
`01:05.40`	`CBG`	`wizatcomputer: ya don't say ;)`
`01:05.50`	`wizatcomputer`	`!dict definition`
`01:05.53`	`Workaphobia`	`CBG: "By definition, you cannot use the word you are defining to define it." - that was intentional, right?`
`01:05.54`	`wizatcomputer`	`~dict definition`
`01:06.02`	`CBG`	`Workaphobia: sigh`
`01:06.22`	`CBG`	`Tell me it didnt fly right over _someone_ ...`
`01:06.51`	`CBG`	`Aw well.`
`01:07.02`	`brlcad`	`it's not by definition, it's by convention and practical utility`
`01:07.04`	`CBG`	`It's hard being intellectually superior all the time.`
`01:07.21`	`Workaphobia`	`tell me abo - wait, superior? Nevermind.`
`01:07.29`	`CBG`	`But, brlcad - that's not funny. :P`
`01:07.41`	`brlcad`	`regardless, ibot's dictionary services are simply pulled from an online service`
`01:09.15`	`DTRemenak`	`hmm, HostageChick...`
`01:09.24`	`CBG`	`:o`
`01:09.31`	`DTRemenak`	`sounds like something interesting is happening over there ;)`
`01:10.02`	`CBG`	`Where? :)`
`01:10.43`	`*** join/#bzflag TheRedBeard (n=TheRedba@fl-71-0-245-8.dyn.sprint-hsd.net)`
`01:11.07`	`CBG`	`~seen HostageChick`
`01:11.09`	`ibot`	`i haven't seen 'hostagechick', CBG`
`01:12.40`	`TheRedBeard`	`~lart the cbg`
`01:12.50`	`CBG`	`W00t.`
`01:15.30`	`brlcad`	`DTRemenak: maybe she's taking them`
`01:15.45`	`DTRemenak`	`brlcad: hmm, could be :)`
`01:16.11`	`CBG`	`Ya'll missing out on some kicking fun. :)`
`01:16.29`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, no`
`01:16.33`	`JeffM2501`	`that's what usenet is for`
`01:17.33`	`JeffM2501`	`if I can't get people to help me on projcts you can't have an OS war forum`
`01:18.20`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: ok`
`01:18.30`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I've made a new sig image, it's not stealing anyones ideas....`
`01:18.55`	`JeffM2501`	`wow, so basicly your being "normal"`
`01:19.03`	`TheRedBeard`	`sportchick: what rumors are you spreading here/`
`01:19.05`	`TheRedBeard`	`?`
`01:20.41`	`SportChick`	`I didn't say a thing`
`01:21.06`	`purple_cow`	`normal is for chumps`
`01:21.36`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, when you becoming a californian?`
`01:22.03`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: decided on a start date after siggraph. i'll probably be moving mid-july`
`01:22.14`	`JeffM2501`	`cooleo`
`01:22.41`	`CBG`	`*coolio`
`01:22.47`	`brlcad`	`purple_cow: you decided on a job?`
`01:22.52`	`purple_cow`	`brlcad: yeah`
`01:22.58`	`purple_cow`	`joining micah at vmware`
`01:23.02`	`brlcad`	`cool`
`01:23.15`	`brlcad`	`welp, i guess that projects down the tubes now`
`01:23.35`	`brlcad`	`;)`
`01:24.29`	`purple_cow`	`heh`
`01:24.31`	`purple_cow`	`too late!`
`01:24.42`	`brlcad`	`if you know anyone good, have them get in touch`
`01:25.09`	`purple_cow`	`what skillset?`
`01:25.38`	`Aribeth`	`hi Sporty`
`01:25.41`	`brlcad`	`preferably software engineers/developers`
`01:25.57`	`menotume`	`that's specific :)`
`01:26.00`	`BZBot`	`New news from opencombatproject: typecasts and caps`
`01:26.06`	`brlcad`	`background in either graphics, ai, or just good coders helps`
`01:26.37`	`menotume`	`eeep`
`01:26.46`	`CBG`	`:(`
`01:26.50`	`brlcad`	`someone like..`
`01:27.07`	`DTRemenak`	`brlcad: oddly, I might actually be interested`
`01:27.29`	`brlcad`	`DTRemenak: oddly, I was actually hoping you would be`
`01:29.53`	`CBG-Yargh`	`Catch ya'll later`
`01:34.06`	`TheRedBeard`	`done downloading illicitt software? ;)`
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`01:38.43`	`menotume`	`~plank TheRedBeard`
`01:38.44`	`ibot`	`ACTION TheRedBeard is blindfolded and pushed at sword-point to walk the plank and plunge into the depths`
`01:39.16`	`TheRedBeard`	`oi!`
`01:39.21`	`TheRedBeard`	`~plank Menotume`
`01:39.23`	`ibot`	`Menotume is blindfolded and pushed at sword-point to walk the plank and plunge into the depths`
`01:39.42`	`TheRedBeard`	`har har har!`
`01:43.44`	`purple_cow`	`hmm, pyogre actually builds`
`01:44.19`	`orange`	`that sounds like a pokemon`
`01:44.50`	`purple_cow`	`i'm sorry about your diseased mind`
`01:45.51`	`menotume`	`brlcad: I know you wouldn't want me, cuase I think encapsulating a float as a float is a bad idea :)`
`01:45.52`	`orange`	`http://www.serebii.net/potw/382.shtml`
`01:46.21`	`brlcad`	`menotume: heh`
`01:46.22`	`orange`	`purple_cow: do you play as purplecow, or is that an imposter?`
`01:46.25`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`01:46.32`	`purple_cow`	`orange: when i play, i play as purple_cow`
`01:46.36`	`orange`	`hmmm`
`01:46.59`	`purple_cow`	`chances are pretty good that if you've seen someone in the last year or two playing, it's not me`
`01:47.09`	`menotume`	`:)`
`01:47.46`	`menotume`	`on decks`
`01:48.02`	`purple_cow`	`brlcad: was I playing or was i cursing at an ibook?`
`01:48.02`	`menotume`	`i guess testing doesn't count`
`01:48.17`	`brlcad`	`hehe`
`01:48.40`	`brlcad`	`either way, I think I was cursing at your playing still`
`01:49.17`	`purple_cow`	`well, that's probably because the fpu was messing up and causing bad shot calculations`
`01:50.05`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`01:50.22`	`purple_cow`	`anyhow, it doesn't really matter`
`01:51.21`	`orange`	`do you have any issue with someone playing as purplecow? It is such an off the wall name that it must have been copied`
`01:51.40`	`purple_cow`	`i've never seen a purplecow...`
`01:51.55`	`orange`	`I see on all the time`
`01:52.15`	`purple_cow`	`it's just the internets. who cares what some kid chooses to call themself`
`01:53.40`	`scanline`	`eek, that means i'd have to handle all the cia requests..`
`01:53.48`	`purple_cow`	`hehe`
`01:53.52`	`purple_cow`	`i was just about to say that`
`01:54.08`	`purple_cow`	`there's a reason he doesn't go by "scanline" anymore`
`01:54.40`	`brlcad`	`yeah, he's a tarty lime now isn't he?`
`01:54.57`	`purple_cow`	`quite`
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`01:57.28`	`tokimi`	`are there any windows devs on ?`
`01:58.06`	`DTRemenak`	`tokimi: maybe. probably best just to ask the question and see who answers.`
`01:58.19`	`tokimi`	`ok.......`
`01:58.48`	`tokimi`	`i am looking to see if any one knows of existing problems with running bzflag 0.4 and 0.5 on an AMD 64 proccessor`
`01:59.26`	`DTRemenak`	`are you running a 32-bit windows, or a 64-bit windows?`
`01:59.53`	`tokimi`	`windows XP pro.....`
`01:59.59`	`tokimi`	`didnt think there was a 64 bit vs of that`
`02:00.14`	`DTRemenak`	`if you're running a 32-bit os, it's known to work fine. otherwise, it's not tested.`
`02:00.30`	`tokimi`	`i see`
`02:00.30`	`DTRemenak`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_64-bit_Edition`
`02:00.55`	`DTRemenak`	`err rather http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP_Professional_x64_Edition`
`02:01.24`	`purple_cow`	`perhaps it's better to explain the symptoms rather than guess at the cause`
`02:01.59`	`DTRemenak`	`we haven't tested with WOW64 that I know of. it ought to work fine. purple_cow just stole the next sentence off my keyboard....`
`02:02.05`	`tokimi`	`ok: right after launch, you see the dark background of the loading client`
`02:02.15`	`tokimi`	`then`
`02:02.21`	`tokimi`	`it crashes right to desktop`
`02:02.33`	`tokimi`	`and leaves teh screen much whiter than it should be`
`02:03.45`	`tokimi`	`0.4 worked a bit early this morning`
`02:03.52`	`tokimi`	`0.5 never worked`
`02:03.55`	`DTRemenak`	`if you open a command prompt, cd to the bzflag directory, and run "bzflag -debug -debug -debug -debug > out.txt", what's the last line in out.txt?`
`02:04.14`	`tokimi`	`doing that.....`
`02:05.38`	`tokimi`	`the last line is:`
`02:05.43`	`tokimi`	`bzDeleteLists(), no context`
`02:06.05`	`tokimi`	`there are..... 140 lines of that?`
`02:06.08`	`tokimi`	`let me double check`
`02:06.15`	`DTRemenak`	`what about before that?`
`02:06.25`	`DTRemenak`	`that's shutdown code, means it's at least calling atexit`
`02:06.31`	`tokimi`	`Recalibrated QPC frequency. Old: 3579601.000000 ; New: 3579659.000000`
`02:06.41`	`DTRemenak`	`ignoring those :)`
`02:07.23`	`DTRemenak`	`actually if you want to stick the whole log somewhere, that would work too. http://bzflag.pastebin.ca works.`
`02:08.32`	`tokimi`	`hmm`
`02:08.35`	`tokimi`	`he left`
`02:09.11`	`DTRemenak`	`did not :)`
`02:09.12`	`tokimi`	`http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/33948`
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`02:09.44`	`tokimi`	`*.caltech.edu........ nice address`
`02:10.01`	`DTRemenak`	`thx`
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`02:11.10`	`tokimi`	`were you able to read that pastebin?`
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`02:11.14`	`tokimi`	`er, i should say`
`02:11.16`	`tokimi`	`get to it`
`02:11.20`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, thanks`
`02:12.05`	`DTRemenak`	`nothing looks wrong there. it even brought up the "Do you want to quit?" menu; looks like you even asked it to quit.`
`02:12.33`	`tokimi`	`it didnt crash that time`
`02:12.39`	`tokimi`	`which is odd`
`02:12.39`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`02:12.46`	`DTRemenak`	`need a log from when it _does_ crash to be useful :)`
`02:13.43`	`tokimi`	`well, its not.`
`02:13.45`	`tokimi`	`bah`
`02:13.59`	`DTRemenak`	`well, if it's not crashing I'd say that's a good thing :P`
`02:14.01`	`tokimi`	`ah`
`02:14.11`	`tokimi`	`its crashes when using the soft link`
`02:14.27`	`tokimi`	`command line seems to work`
`02:14.30`	`tokimi`	`wierd`
`02:14.39`	`DTRemenak`	`something may be wrong with your shortcut then`
`02:14.51`	`tokimi`	`yeah`
`02:14.53`	`DTRemenak`	`"Start in:" is set right and all?`
`02:15.05`	`tokimi`	`will the game run with the debug flags active?`
`02:15.17`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah`
`02:15.37`	`DTRemenak`	`just a tad slower, shouldn't be noticable on decent hardware`
`02:17.25`	`tokimi`	`ok`
`02:17.29`	`tokimi`	`well, let me try that`
`02:18.11`	`tokimi`	`thank you for your help`
`02:18.32`	`tokimi`	`if it crashes, i should have that log`
`02:18.45`	`DTRemenak`	`sure thing`
`02:19.00`	`DTRemenak`	`actually the redirect won't work from a shortcut, iirc`
`02:19.08`	`tokimi`	`yeah`
`02:19.13`	`tokimi`	`ill just run from command line`
`02:19.14`	`DTRemenak`	`if you're using 2.0.5 it should dump the log to stdout.txt`
`02:19.21`	`DTRemenak`	`ah, ok`
`02:19.27`	`tokimi`	`no biggyy`
`02:19.33`	`DTRemenak`	`increasingly rare to find people who are comfortable doing that`
`02:19.39`	`tokimi`	`lol`
`02:19.48`	`tokimi`	`not when your a linux user.... during the day that is`
`02:19.59`	`DTRemenak`	`ahh :)`
`02:20.10`	`DTRemenak`	`that explains the "soft link" reference too ;)`
`02:20.15`	`tokimi`	`hehe`
`02:20.16`	`tokimi`	`oops`
`02:20.18`	`tokimi`	`;)`
`02:21.52`	`tokimi`	`thanks again`
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`02:47.56`	`JeffM2501`	`is there an easy way to get eth0 to renew it's dhcp?`
`02:48.34`	`Tupone`	`what distro?`
`02:48.46`	`JeffM2501`	`ubuntu`
`02:49.39`	`Tupone`	`I dunno, but I guess you could restart the eth0. In gentoo I do /etc/init.d/net.eth0 restart`
`02:50.18`	`BenUrban`	`JeffM2501: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0`
`02:50.19`	`BenUrban`	`i think`
`02:50.37`	`BenUrban`	`actually that's just a guess`
`02:50.44`	`BenUrban`	`of course you need to use sudo`
`02:51.00`	`JeffM2501`	`that did it`
`02:51.02`	`JeffM2501`	`thanks :)`
`02:51.05`	`BenUrban`	`yw`
`02:51.14`	`JeffM2501`	`forgot to turn on the dhcp on the router`
`02:51.18`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`02:51.30`	`JeffM2501`	`I used to be connected to the other DSL in the other room, and it was dhcp`
`02:51.44`	`BenUrban`	`i see`
`02:52.13`	`JeffM2501`	`sometimes it's wierd haveing 2 DSLs in the house`
`02:52.31`	`BenUrban`	`yeah i would think so`
`02:52.54`	`JeffM2501`	`for a while it was cool, you could swap lines just by changing your gateway :)`
`02:53.00`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`02:53.02`	`BenUrban`	`nice`
`02:54.55`	`Tupone`	`JeffM2501: have you tested http://www.openrm.org/`
`02:55.30`	`JeffM2501`	`I have not seen it untill you just showed it to me :)`
`02:55.51`	`Tupone`	`hehe, I hit your interest then ?`
`02:56.24`	`JeffM2501`	`no png support`
`02:56.41`	`JeffM2501`	`be interesting to take a look at tho`
`02:57.19`	`JeffM2501`	`and I'm not seeing anything mentioning the mac`
`02:57.59`	`Tupone`	`unless is under the generic unix name`
`02:58.50`	`JeffM2501`	`doubtfull`
`02:58.58`	`JeffM2501`	`you have to do some apple specific stuff`
`02:59.03`	`JeffM2501`	`to get it to run on a mac`
`02:59.13`	`JeffM2501`	`since it dosnt' have x11`
`02:59.18`	`JeffM2501`	`still can't hurt to look at`
`03:00.11`	`trepan`	`http://www.openrm.org/news/index.shtml , there's a macosx reference there`
`03:01.42`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah with OSX x11`
`03:02.08`	`JeffM2501`	`have to look at it tho`
`03:02.19`	`JeffM2501`	`after I fight the good fight with the makefiles`
`03:04.00`	`trepan`	`don't expect too much ;)`
`03:04.25`	`JeffM2501`	`from the makefile?`
`03:04.38`	`JeffM2501`	`or from the graph?`
`03:04.49`	`trepan`	`the graph`
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`03:06.20`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: your makefiles still doing the compilation in one shot? (no intermediate objs?)`
`03:07.05`	`JeffM2501`	`ummm probably`
`03:08.01`	`trepan`	`muddle on, intrepid *nixer`
`03:08.25`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`03:08.49`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm about ready to give up`
`03:09.02`	`JeffM2501`	`or at least make an kdev project outa it`
`03:09.24`	`trepan`	`the ssh cvs is working for me today (lock probs yesterday), i can take a look when you're done`
`03:10.00`	`JeffM2501`	`what is checked in has all the files it should`
`03:10.13`	`JeffM2501`	`right now I'm just geting FTGL installed on my machine`
`03:10.30`	`JeffM2501`	`and pondering making it part of the build itself since it's so rare and a PITA`
`03:11.56`	`trepan`	`i'll wait then, i've got a local ftgl, but not installed`
`03:12.05`	`JeffM2501`	`whoa`
`03:12.15`	`JeffM2501`	`ftgl is in the package manager now`
`03:13.59`	`JeffM2501`	`is freetype now called libttf?`
`03:15.53`	`trepan`	`looks like libttf is the freetype1 version`
`03:16.36`	`trepan`	`hm, libttf2?`
`03:17.47`	`JeffM2501`	`yah`
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`04:09.10`	`purple_cow`	`argh, some child found the sf tracker`
`04:47.25`	`purple_cow`	`gah!`
`04:47.33`	`purple_cow`	`someone stop Matthias!`
`04:48.51`	`trepan`	`patience and ctrl+a/delete will win the day ;)`
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`05:38.34`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Check for antikick before checking for idlekick to avoid excessive logflooding. Resolves bug 1382559.`
`05:38.59`	`orange`	`~dtremenak++`
`05:39.03`	`orange`	`thanks`
`05:39.45`	`DTRemenak`	`np`
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`08:24.29`	`a_monkey`	`does anyone have a need for new icons or images for bzflag of any sort? because i created these cool little colored glass gem type things, and would be glad to donate them to the bzflag project.`
`08:26.56`	`a_monkey`	`brb.`
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`08:50.51`	`a_monkey`	`how do you all like this?`
`08:50.52`	`a_monkey`	`http://img6.picsplace.to/img.php?file=img6/9/bzicon.png`
`08:56.38`	`a_monkey`	`or aqua version`
`08:56.39`	`a_monkey`	`http://img6.picsplace.to/img.php?file=img6/9/bziconaqua.png`
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`08:59.28`	`purple_cow`	`a_monkey: pretty boring...`
`08:59.57`	`purple_cow`	`the whole "glass gem" thing is so overdone nowadays`
`09:03.14`	`a_monkey`	`purple_cow: well it was my first shiny icon. :)`
`09:03.47`	`purple_cow`	`a_monkey: i certainly don't want to discourage you :)`
`09:04.52`	`a_monkey`	`have you ever tried making a shiny "glasslike" icon?`
`09:04.55`	`a_monkey`	`they're fun.`
`09:06.18`	`purple_cow`	`yeah, they are fun`
`09:06.34`	`purple_cow`	`they're just nothing new or exciting`
`09:10.29`	`a_monkey`	`hmmmm..`
`09:10.51`	`a_monkey`	`i gotta think up an avant garde icon idea`
`09:12.24`	`purple_cow`	`a_monkey: the best icons have a purpose behind every part of them. in general, "templates" just make things look drab and samey`
`09:12.43`	`a_monkey`	`purple_cow: a "purpose"?`
`09:13.31`	`purple_cow`	`functional or meaningful in some way`
`09:13.35`	`a_monkey`	`oh`
`09:13.38`	`a_monkey`	`hmm`
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`14:31.09`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Thumper`
`14:31.14`	`Ice_Wewe`	`drat!`
`14:32.25`	`Ice_Wewe`	`question`
`14:32.36`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I have a very small box, that I want tanks to be able to drive over`
`14:32.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`if I make it's height 0, they dissapear`
`14:32.56`	`Ice_Wewe`	`if I make it 0.1, tanks can't drive on it`
`14:33.06`	`Ice_Wewe`	`now, on norang, there are boxes like this one`
`14:33.19`	`Ice_Wewe`	`but when you try to drive into them, it pop you up`
`14:33.23`	`Ice_Wewe`	`what is the code to do that?`
`14:33.52`	`BearPerson`	`I think there's a setting to do that`
`14:34.49`	`Ice_Wewe`	`BearPerson: is it like a set or something?`
`14:34.54`	`BearPerson`	`yeah`
`14:35.04`	`BearPerson`	`I browsed the code for it some while ago`
`14:36.03`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ok....`
`14:36.10`	`Ice_Wewe`	`any chance you still remember parts of it?`
`14:36.17`	`BearPerson`	`grepping...`
`14:36.21`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ok`
`14:37.49`	`brad2901`	`is it /set _maxBumpHeight ?`
`14:37.55`	`BearPerson`	`probably`
`14:38.26`	`BearPerson`	`set to 0.33 by default it seems`
`14:39.39`	`BearPerson`	`I'm not sure if it works for all types of objects`
`14:39.50`	`BearPerson`	`I think I recall something about meshes vs. boxes`
`14:40.16`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ahhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!`
`14:40.21`	`Ice_Wewe`	`half my map is gone!!!!!!!!`
`14:40.42`	`Ice_Wewe`	`what happened?!`
`14:41.05`	`Ice_Wewe`	`it code is still there`
`14:41.11`	`Ice_Wewe`	`but BZFS just started ignoring it...`
`14:41.42`	`Ice_Wewe`	`nvm`
`14:41.47`	`Ice_Wewe`	`that server is messed...`
`14:41.56`	`Ice_Wewe`	`oh wait... wrong port.. hehe`
`14:42.03`	`Ice_Wewe`	`brad2901: that has no effect`
`14:42.19`	`brad2901`	`works for me :)`
`14:43.12`	`Ice_Wewe`	`brad2901: doesn't for me :(`
`14:43.31`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I did -set _maxBumpHeight 0.2 and the box is 0.1 in height`
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`14:46.19`	`Ice_Wewe`	`brad2901: nope, and setting the boxes to drivethrough does nothing too`
`14:46.41`	`brad2901`	`not sure then, sorry`
`14:48.08`	`Ice_Wewe`	`brad2901: could it be in one of norang's maps?`
`14:48.20`	`Ice_Wewe`	`brad2901: if it was, I could find it, but I'd have to know what to look for...`
`14:49.49`	`brad2901`	`try setting it to 10.. just to test`
`14:50.12`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ok`
`14:51.09`	`Ice_Wewe`	`brad2901: nope :(`
`14:51.15`	`brad2901`	`I can only just get up a box that is 10 units high with maxBumpHeight set to 100..`
`14:51.30`	`Ice_Wewe`	`so I should set it to 100? lol`
`14:51.37`	`brad2901`	`come to bzflag.game-host.org and i'll show you. :)`
`14:51.42`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ok`
`14:51.43`	`brad2901`	`p 5155`
`14:57.10`	`Ice_Wewe`	`brad2901: does it matter that it is a meshbox?`
`14:57.20`	`brad2901`	`might do, as BearPerson said`
`14:57.42`	`brad2901`	`there were some differences between meshboxes and normal ones`
`14:57.57`	`Ice_Wewe`	`right....`
`15:00.27`	`Ice_Wewe`	`hmm`
`15:00.39`	`Ice_Wewe`	`nothing about maxBumpHeight in the bfw manual`
`15:00.44`	`Ice_Wewe`	`bzw*`
`15:01.08`	`ToughShooter`	`a meshbox is something almost completly different thing than a box, AFAIR`
`15:01.41`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ok`
`15:01.51`	`Ice_Wewe`	`so does this mean that the maxBumpHeight wont work?`
`15:01.58`	`brad2901`	`"Any difference between the surface a tank is on and the top surface of an object the tank runs into that is less than this value will allow the tank to simply move up to the object rather than being stopped by it."`
`15:02.15`	`Ice_Wewe`	`let me explain what I'm trying to do`
`15:02.41`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I'm trying to make something that a tank drives over, completely unaware (or as much so as possible) and gets rocketed into the sky`
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`15:02.51`	`Ice_Wewe`	`now, I can't have a box that is 0 thick`
`15:02.59`	`Ice_Wewe`	`so I have to have one that is 0.1 thick`
`15:03.06`	`Ice_Wewe`	`and tanks can't drive over that, it's too tall`
`15:03.19`	`Ice_Wewe`	`so now, I either use the maxBumpHeight, or something else`
`15:03.28`	`brad2901`	`have you tried 0.000001? ;)`
`15:03.39`	`Ice_Wewe`	`and right now, it's looking like the something else, since maxBumpHeight doesn't work`
`15:03.47`	`Ice_Wewe`	`yes, the box ceases to exist`
`15:03.57`	`brad2901`	`ah, heh`
`15:04.47`	`Ice_Wewe`	`yea...`
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`16:01.43`	`londonboi2k3`	`Hi guys, someone gave me a link to compile bzflag from source the other day but I broke my computer and was woundering if I could get it again. I was having problems with my ATI card. Thanks`
`16:02.34`	`RPG_`	`http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248&package_id=3165`
`16:03.14`	`londonboi2k3`	`thats the package list?`
`16:03.25`	`RPG_`	`package list of the source code`
`16:03.36`	`RPG_`	`entire package list: http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=3248`
`16:03.43`	`londonboi2k3`	`someone pointed me to a txt document, it gave me a howto on cvs install, and it created a build of 2.0.5`
`16:03.59`	`RPG_`	`a txt document compiled BZFlag?`
`16:04.09`	`RPG_`	`~logs`
`16:04.10`	`ibot`	`i heard logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz`
`16:04.21`	`londonboi2k3`	`are these the logs?`
`16:04.34`	`RPG_`	`yes, i was looking at them`
`16:04.56`	`londonboi2k3`	`ahh cool, well it was a few days ago maybe more so I will go through them ;)`
`16:05.13`	`RPG_`	`i got it`
`16:06.23`	`RPG_`	`sorry, can't find it`
`16:06.23`	`londonboi2k3`	`http://bzflag.norang.ca/bzflag-cvs`
`16:06.34`	`londonboi2k3`	`that was it, its in http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/20051209.html.gz`
`16:06.36`	`RPG_`	`oh- never saw that one yet`
`16:06.37`	`londonboi2k3`	`that log`
`16:06.39`	`londonboi2k3`	`:)`
`16:06.39`	`RPG_`	`:)`
`16:07.14`	`londonboi2k3`	`its really odd the ATI problem and segmentation fault, I just discovered that its only on one server and when its day light, during the night time (in world) its fine`
`16:07.15`	`londonboi2k3`	`;)`
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`18:10.22`	`Tropican8`	`Hey all, I need a way of appending text I type into the command line for a bzflag project, like in this form: append-program [texttoaddtoafile]`
`18:11.15`	`Tropican8`	`is there a program like that?`
`18:11.57`	`learner`	`cat`
`18:12.31`	`Tropican8`	`I thought cat combined two files?`
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`18:13.51`	`learner`	`any program that outputs will do, appending is a shell redirection`
`18:14.17`	`learner`	`echo "texttoaddtofile" >> file`
`18:14.37`	`Tropican8`	`thanks`
`18:14.42`	`learner`	`cat <<EOF >> file`
`18:14.46`	`learner`	`texttoaddtofile`
`18:14.47`	`learner`	`EOF`
`18:15.13`	`learner`	`man bash`
`18:15.17`	`learner`	`search on redirect`
`18:16.13`	`Tropican8`	`Ok thanks, one of those ways is bound to work, though I think echo is exactly what I need`
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`19:36.59`	`Ice_Wewe`	`what do I do when BZFS doesn't respect links?`
`19:38.43`	`blast007`	`slap it with a ruler`
`19:39.42`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lol`
`19:39.53`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ok, so I've got it working, kinda`
`19:39.56`	`Ice_Wewe`	`but...`
`19:40.07`	`Ice_Wewe`	`it doesn't stop shots, like I WANT it to, it only rejects tanks`
`19:40.18`	`Ice_Wewe`	`link`
`19:40.19`	`Ice_Wewe`	`from 0`
`19:40.20`	`Ice_Wewe`	`to 0`
`19:40.22`	`Ice_Wewe`	`end`
`19:40.35`	`Ice_Wewe`	`it only does that for tanks, how do I make it so it doesn't it for shots too?`
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`19:53.08`	`Birdie`	`gina!`
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`19:55.51`	`RPG_`	`gina!`
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`19:59.03`	`blast007`	`gina!`
`20:00.07`	`brad2901`	`gina?`
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`20:04.33`	`Workaphobia`	`Ice Wewe, one thing you can do if you want to make a teleporter a barrier to shots but not tanks, is to place it near bullet height off the ground`
`20:04.57`	`Workaphobia`	`tanks can drive right through it, and only burrow can shoot through it.`
`20:06.15`	`brlcad`	`or create a seethrough wall that can't be shot through`
`20:07.40`	`Workaphobia`	`there's a see through option? I haven't even attempted mapping since before 2.0`
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`20:12.35`	`blast007`	`I know you can change the alpha blending with a material, might be another method too`
`20:12.53`	`brlcad`	`that's what I meant`
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`20:13.21`	`brlcad`	`drivethrough and shootthrough are obstacle properties that can be set, set how it looks with materials`
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`20:19.53`	`Birdie`	`lol`
`20:19.55`	`blast007`	`:)`
`20:20.22`	`gina`	`birdie! brlcad! RPG!_ Ice_Wewe! A_Meteorite! blast007! brad2901?`
`20:20.29`	`brad2901`	`lol`
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`20:34.43`	`brlcad`	`hehe`
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`22:22.01`	`JeffM2501`	`anyone on windws here who can test somethign for me?`
`22:24.06`	`brad2901`	`yes :)`
`22:24.06`	`JeffM2501`	`anyone even here?`
`22:24.22`	`JeffM2501`	`http://beta.bzflag.org/GPx01-0.0.0p1.exe`
`22:24.26`	`JeffM2501`	`install that`
`22:24.30`	`brad2901`	`ok.`
`22:24.43`	`JeffM2501`	`then it will give me all your personal info so I can sell it for eggnog`
`22:24.44`	`JeffM2501`	`;)`
`22:24.48`	`brad2901`	`is it .bz?`
`22:24.54`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah sorry`
`22:24.55`	`JeffM2501`	`.bz`
`22:24.59`	`JeffM2501`	`allways mess that up :(`
`22:25.04`	`brad2901`	`ok`
`22:25.05`	`brad2901`	`:)`
`22:25.15`	`BZBot`	`New news from opencombatproject: fix release mode crash ( null into a std::string )`
`22:27.58`	`brad2901`	`ok, installed.`
`22:28.10`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: even works under Wine :)`
`22:28.15`	`JeffM2501`	`it does?`
`22:28.26`	`JeffM2501`	`brad2901, just make sure it runs and dosn't crash`
`22:28.28`	`trepan`	`yup`
`22:28.33`	`JeffM2501`	`well damn`
`22:28.35`	`brad2901`	`it's fine so far.`
`22:28.46`	`JeffM2501`	`can you hit enter 2 times and drive around?`
`22:28.56`	`brad2901`	`no`
`22:29.03`	`JeffM2501`	`what happens when you try?`
`22:29.13`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: sound, vid, all of it`
`22:29.14`	`brad2901`	`it lets me drive around`
`22:29.18`	`brad2901`	`still no crash`
`22:29.24`	`JeffM2501`	`brad2901, so the answer is "yes"`
`22:29.26`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, wow`
`22:29.28`	`JeffM2501`	`even sound`
`22:29.32`	`trepan`	`only prob is a repeated "fixme:dsound:DSOUND_MixOne problem with underrun detection" error, but the sound is fine`
`22:29.33`	`brad2901`	`you can go through buildings?`
`22:29.33`	`JeffM2501`	`yay for fmod`
`22:29.44`	`JeffM2501`	`yes you can`
`22:29.45`	`JeffM2501`	`for now`
`22:29.48`	`brad2901`	`ok.`
`22:29.49`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, wow`
`22:30.10`	`trepan`	`any fun keys to hit?`
`22:30.10`	`JeffM2501`	`techincaly I could have it use the winmm system`
`22:30.17`	`JeffM2501`	`F1/F2`
`22:30.19`	`JeffM2501`	`make you puke`
`22:30.33`	`JeffM2501`	`insert/home/end zoom camera in and out`
`22:30.52`	`JeffM2501`	`F9 will togle recording on and off`
`22:30.57`	`JeffM2501`	`F10 will togle playback`
`22:31.12`	`JeffM2501`	`F11 will do a playback and take a screenshot every frame`
`22:31.28`	`JeffM2501`	`I think that's about it`
`22:31.57`	`JeffM2501`	`I was prety sure that a crash in windows release would crash linux too, so I wanted to fix it`
`22:32.24`	`trepan`	`all seems ok, approx 100 fps (still gf3)`
`22:32.36`	`JeffM2501`	`and that's not even doing any culling`
`22:32.49`	`JeffM2501`	`cull algo seems busted`
`22:33.05`	`JeffM2501`	`you going SATA?`
`22:33.21`	`trepan`	`culling is overrated, concentrate on drawing method :)`
`22:33.47`	`JeffM2501`	`well I need my distance calc thing to work, I need it for an effect`
`22:33.59`	`JeffM2501`	`I want to check if there are any objects above the tank and make them transperant`
`22:34.06`	`trepan`	`yup, sata in the new sys, just don't want to bother hooking up the ide drive`
`22:34.26`	`JeffM2501`	`sata feels a lot faster`
`22:35.57`	`trepan`	`sata cables are easier to manage too :)`
`22:37.20`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`22:37.22`	`JeffM2501`	`by far`
`22:38.56`	`JeffM2501`	`I still have a feeling that racknet is going to be a source of greif`
`22:39.08`	`JeffM2501`	`don't think it's activly deved anymore :(`
`22:40.06`	`trepan`	`torc or enet?`
`22:40.17`	`JeffM2501`	`openTNL sucks`
`22:40.19`	`JeffM2501`	`and sucks hard`
`22:40.24`	`JeffM2501`	`won't even run`
`22:40.26`	`JeffM2501`	`enet is nice`
`22:40.31`	`JeffM2501`	`I can allways fallback to that`
`22:40.35`	`JeffM2501`	`raknet has some nice features`
`22:40.39`	`JeffM2501`	`support for compression`
`22:40.43`	`JeffM2501`	`support for audio streams`
`22:40.44`	`trepan`	`you already have an enet wrapper, no?`
`22:40.48`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah I do`
`22:41.19`	`JeffM2501`	`raknet has native support for a bistream message class like the one I wrote`
`22:41.31`	`JeffM2501`	`you can even send classes and procs over transperantly`
`22:41.36`	`JeffM2501`	`it has a very nice feature set`
`22:43.11`	`trepan`	`heh, i've got a nice digital multimeter, but no leads`
`22:44.01`	`trepan`	`oh, color coding does make eyeballing it easier :)`
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`22:46.49`	`trepan`	`no crossover eth., wonder how long 10GB would take over rs-232`
`22:47.44`	`JeffM2501`	`longer then moving the drive`
`22:47.55`	`JeffM2501`	`some cards can do auto crossover`
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`22:53.39`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: good point, not sure that the a8n-sli board has it`
`22:53.49`	`JeffM2501`	`can't hurt to try`
`22:53.53`	`trepan`	`it does however have a TDR feature to detect cable length :)`
`22:54.18`	`trepan`	`faulty connections are reported back up to 100 meters at 1 meter accuracy...`
`22:55.22`	`BZBot`	`New news from opencombatproject: setup debug loging \|\| add an installer for teh windows`
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