| 00:00.05 | *** join/#bzflag Atomic (n=406c492c@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 00:00.47 | Atomic | where is the global ban file? |
| 00:02.09 | blast007 | grr...and I just found it too |
| 00:05.42 | JeffM2501 | global? |
| 00:05.58 | JeffM2501 | like in masterban? |
| 00:05.59 | blast007 | masterban, I presume |
| 00:06.06 | JeffM2501 | he should not care where it is |
| 00:06.14 | JeffM2501 | game pulls it by default |
| 00:07.48 | *** join/#bzflag Webstrand (n=Webstran@adsl-64-108-73-44.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) |
| 00:07.56 | Webstrand | Hi |
| 00:08.02 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 00:08.14 | Webstrand | where can i get a global ban file? |
| 00:08.23 | JeffM2501 | your game will download it by default |
| 00:08.27 | JeffM2501 | if it is public |
| 00:08.31 | Webstrand | where it put it? |
| 00:08.33 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to do anything to get it |
| 00:08.35 | JeffM2501 | you don't |
| 00:08.39 | JeffM2501 | it happens automaticly |
| 00:08.47 | Webstrand | hmmm.... my ban file is empty |
| 00:08.51 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:08.59 | JeffM2501 | the game pulls it from the net every time it starts |
| 00:09.05 | JeffM2501 | so it dosn't exist as a file on your drive |
| 00:09.10 | JeffM2501 | your local ban file is for your own bans |
| 00:09.24 | JeffM2501 | is your server public? |
| 00:09.31 | Webstrand | a friend had it stored in his local ban file |
| 00:09.33 | Webstrand | yes |
| 00:09.40 | Webstrand | atomicpile.ath.cx |
| 00:09.47 | JeffM2501 | then you will be geting the global bans |
| 00:09.53 | JeffM2501 | some people chose to copy them manualy |
| 00:09.56 | JeffM2501 | but you don'thave to do that |
| 00:09.59 | JeffM2501 | it is bad to do that |
| 00:10.04 | Webstrand | where can i copy em from? |
| 00:10.04 | JeffM2501 | since it won't automatilcy update |
| 00:10.08 | Webstrand | oh |
| 00:10.17 | Webstrand | how to globaly ban people? |
| 00:10.21 | JeffM2501 | you don't |
| 00:10.27 | Webstrand | who does then? |
| 00:10.30 | JeffM2501 | any ban you do is a local ban |
| 00:10.33 | JeffM2501 | we do global bans |
| 00:10.38 | JeffM2501 | global bans are network wide |
| 00:10.47 | JeffM2501 | local bans are per server |
| 00:10.52 | Webstrand | alos where can i get a fill bad words file? |
| 00:10.55 | JeffM2501 | you have to be REALY bad to get a global ban |
| 00:10.58 | JeffM2501 | in the /msic |
| 00:11.02 | Webstrand | ok |
| 00:11.07 | Webstrand | in cvs? |
| 00:11.28 | blast007 | or the source, if you have that, but yes, CVS too |
| 00:11.37 | Webstrand | ok |
| 00:11.38 | blast007 | source tar* |
| 00:15.37 | Webstrand | hmmmm... haveing trouble connecting to CVS anyone got a command line so i can make shure i got it right? |
| 00:17.23 | DTRemenak | Webstrand: if you're just looking for the badwords file, grab it from viewcvs: http://cvs.bzflag.org/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt?rev=2.8&view=log |
| 00:17.36 | Webstrand | ok |
| 00:20.11 | Webstrand | thx |
| 00:20.56 | Webstrand | whats the diff between user report and user report pipe? |
| 00:21.14 | Thumper_ | one goes to a file, one is passed to a program (pipe) |
| 00:21.28 | Webstrand | oh |
| 00:21.51 | Webstrand | how is it passed? |
| 00:22.06 | blast007 | stdout probably |
| 00:22.10 | Webstrand | dos or unix style |
| 00:22.37 | blast007 | what program would you be passing it to? |
| 00:22.46 | Thumper_ | it starts the specified program and passes the data to it thru a unix-like pipe |
| 00:23.19 | Webstrand | i mean like 'pipe.exe plain text" or 'pipe.exe /plain text'? |
| 00:23.39 | Thumper_ | and said program would hopefully do something useful with the report |
| 00:24.00 | Webstrand | ya lol i like programming |
| 00:24.00 | Thumper_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:24.14 | Thumper_ | and myreportpgm reads from stdin... and gets the report data that way |
| 00:24.16 | Thumper_ | and does something with it |
| 00:24.21 | Webstrand | ok |
| 00:26.46 | blast007 | useful for emailing reports to the admin |
| 00:28.07 | *** join/#bzflag TheRedBaron (n=Owner@fl-71-1-72-173.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) |
| 00:32.44 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt: dupe |
| 00:33.23 | TheRedBaron | conanhome: do you know about the #bzleague channel? |
| 00:34.25 | conanhome | TheRedBaron: err... yep, but i enter when i know it and find nobody, so i take off my irssi autojoin conf |
| 00:34.32 | conanhome | TheRedBaron: is there somebody now? |
| 00:34.57 | Webstrand | bb ppl |
| 00:34.57 | TheRedBaron | lots of people |
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| 00:39.02 | *** join/#bzflag wizatcomp (i=wizatcom@pool-162-83-109-193.culp.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:55.30 | *** join/#bzflag Inferno285 (n=beaulieu@206.8.175.121) |
| 00:57.10 | Inferno285 | hi ya crew |
| 01:11.38 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 01:13.56 | JeffM2501 | we are on a ship? |
| 01:14.00 | TheRedBaron | I'm going to clone myself and spread myself all over this world! |
| 01:14.12 | JeffM2501 | as a thin Jam like paste? |
| 01:14.24 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: no we are in a handbasket |
| 01:14.35 | JeffM2501 | handbaskets need a crew? |
| 01:14.45 | JeffM2501 | that implys there is some controll over them |
| 01:14.47 | TheRedBaron | a crew of incompetents :) |
| 01:16.22 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:17.58 | Inferno285 | JeffM2591, man the ship! |
| 01:18.08 | JeffM2501 | what ship? |
| 01:18.10 | JeffM2501 | this ship? |
| 01:18.15 | JeffM2591 | i shall! |
| 01:18.19 | Inferno285 | YEH :D |
| 01:18.26 | JeffM2501 | this ship has a capitan |
| 01:18.31 | JeffM2501 | and it is not I |
| 01:18.40 | Inferno285 | oooo, who shall it be? |
| 01:18.48 | JeffM2501 | Umm that would be the maintner |
| 01:18.50 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, |
| 01:18.56 | RPG_ | it's jeffM2591 as you stated before |
| 01:19.02 | TheRedBaron | I thought it was a handbasket.... |
| 01:19.25 | JeffM2501 | a ship can not have 2 capitans |
| 01:19.30 | Inferno285 | I think he could use an active vice capitan, if you know what I mean :) |
| 01:19.47 | RPG_ | a captian with his head in a vice? |
| 01:19.48 | JeffM2501 | that dicussion has been had before |
| 01:20.06 | JeffM2501 | it was said that we should not have that discussion again |
| 01:20.25 | RPG_ | http://www.acuityinc.com/Change/images/head_vice_400.gif |
| 01:21.00 | JeffM2501 | I would run a very difrent ship then the current capitan would |
| 01:21.12 | Inferno285 | that's between you and him :) |
| 01:21.22 | RPG_ | and the fencepost! |
| 01:21.22 | JeffM2501 | no it isn't |
| 01:21.29 | JeffM2501 | it is hisproject |
| 01:22.26 | Inferno285 | this ship runs, in many dirrections. I could fit the ships in the space of one like this. |
| 01:22.37 | Inferno285 | *three ships* |
| 01:22.48 | RPG_ | wow your ships must be small |
| 01:23.00 | JeffM2501 | there is only 1 bzflag |
| 01:23.05 | JeffM2501 | anything else is not bzflag |
| 01:23.09 | TheRedBaron | and he does not share his power! |
| 01:23.13 | JeffM2501 | even if it shared a common history |
| 01:23.31 | Inferno285 | my point, you could lead your own "small" sub ship. |
| 01:23.37 | JeffM2501 | power is not the proper word for it |
| 01:23.46 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, forks have been tried |
| 01:23.48 | JeffM2501 | they fail |
| 01:23.50 | Inferno285 | "#bzflagJeff" |
| 01:23.54 | JeffM2501 | they are nothign with out support |
| 01:24.04 | Inferno285 | I'm not even talking about forks :) |
| 01:24.19 | JeffM2501 | why would I want my own IRC channel? |
| 01:24.20 | JeffM2501 | again? |
| 01:24.49 | Inferno285 | I think we have different views on ship, sorry |
| 01:25.02 | JeffM2501 | dude just say what you mean? |
| 01:25.10 | JeffM2501 | you want variations on the game |
| 01:25.20 | Inferno285 | not at all. |
| 01:25.22 | JeffM2501 | any variatoin makes it not bzflag |
| 01:25.45 | JeffM2501 | then what are you saying? |
| 01:25.47 | Inferno285 | your remembering past conversations... |
| 01:25.56 | JeffM2501 | what else could I remember? |
| 01:25.58 | JeffM2501 | future ones? |
| 01:26.19 | TheRedBaron | jeffm2501 is psychic? |
| 01:26.21 | Inferno285 | I'm talking about the ship begin thw bzflag IRC community. |
| 01:26.48 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, I am, but you don't realy "remeber" them more like gleam them |
| 01:26.59 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, ok so what are you talking about? |
| 01:27.02 | JeffM2501 | more channels? |
| 01:27.30 | Inferno285 | If I wanted something specific I would ask specificly |
| 01:27.39 | Inferno285 | I don't want anything, I'm just playing |
| 01:27.44 | bdotson | this is a very abstract convo |
| 01:27.45 | JeffM2501 | I have no desire to lord over people in my own channel |
| 01:28.13 | *** join/#bzflag kierra (n=les@fl-71-1-72-173.dyn.sprint-hsd.net) |
| 01:28.52 | bdotson | are there any plans to introduce a python plug-in api? |
| 01:28.59 | TheRedBaron | hmm Is a command needed in your conf file so that tanks can spawn? even if its a local server? |
| 01:28.59 | Inferno285 | you do have desire to see a ship ran differently though? |
| 01:29.00 | bdotson | if not, i'll see what i can do in my spare time |
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| 01:30.55 | JeffM2501 | bdotson, a python plugin was started |
| 01:31.04 | bdotson | oh ok |
| 01:31.06 | JeffM2501 | it just needs to be finished |
| 01:31.17 | JeffM2501 | and have all the API calls and events bound to python |
| 01:31.40 | bdotson | is that in cvs? |
| 01:31.47 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, no |
| 01:31.59 | JeffM2501 | bdotson, yes, it's even part of the 2.0.4 tarball |
| 01:32.10 | JeffM2501 | in the plugins dir |
| 01:32.13 | bdotson | thanks |
| 01:33.10 | TheRedBaron | JeffM2501: darn... |
| 01:33.32 | JeffM2501 | TheRedBaron, the only that that can prevent spawn is permsions, and it's the same local or global |
| 01:34.19 | TheRedBaron | Thats what i was thinking. but seeing as It was a local server, and not using global.... I didn't think i had any permissions |
| 01:35.10 | JeffM2501 | then the default perms should be in use |
| 01:35.13 | TheRedBaron | ahh |
| 01:35.17 | JeffM2501 | and that allows everyone to spawn |
| 01:35.18 | TheRedBaron | I got an error |
| 01:35.43 | TheRedBaron | "getsockname() failed, cannot get TCP port? |
| 01:35.57 | JeffM2501 | you have another instance of a server still running? |
| 01:36.04 | TheRedBaron | could be |
| 01:36.16 | JeffM2501 | then the port is in use |
| 01:36.21 | JeffM2501 | can't have 2 servers on the same port |
| 01:38.58 | TheRedBaron | recalibrated QPC frequency. |
| 01:39.09 | TheRedBaron | I shut down bzfs, restarted it, and thats what i get... |
| 01:39.30 | TheRedBaron | it keeps repeating that.. |
| 01:39.43 | TheRedBaron | it gives me the old frequency and the new one. |
| 01:39.58 | JeffM2501 | that can happen |
| 01:40.07 | JeffM2501 | it's not a bad thing |
| 01:40.14 | JeffM2501 | just means it's running |
| 01:40.18 | JeffM2501 | are you doing 4 ds? |
| 01:40.40 | TheRedBaron | 4ds? |
| 01:40.44 | TheRedBaron | i have level 4 debugging |
| 01:40.52 | TheRedBaron | using -d |
| 01:41.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah that logs ALL things |
| 01:41.04 | TheRedBaron | i think in my ignorance though, I have not outputfile... |
| 01:41.08 | JeffM2501 | take it down to 3 |
| 01:41.10 | TheRedBaron | not/no |
| 01:41.14 | TheRedBaron | ah |
| 01:45.44 | TheRedBaron | "Player The Red Baron [0] drop, unresponsive with 16575 bytes queued" |
| 01:46.03 | TheRedBaron | did i mention I"m on windows? :) |
| 01:47.28 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03bthansen 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Add logDetail plugin |
| 01:49.47 | *** part/#bzflag orange (n=mdw@pdpc/supporter/basic/orange) |
| 01:52.11 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Mole1 (n=William@ACC9383C.ipt.aol.com) |
| 01:53.18 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: are you using any "+f good" entries in your config? if so, what do they look like? |
| 01:53.57 | Mr_Mole1 | TheRedBaron: heybabe |
| 01:55.18 | TheRedBaron | blast007: nope. not that i know off |
| 01:55.24 | TheRedBaron | its a rather simple config |
| 01:57.24 | blast007 | if you do, and you have like +f good{20}, that doesn't add 20 flags, but 20 of EACH flag...which can prevent spawning |
| 01:58.38 | TheRedBaron | blast007: i'm a retard :) |
| 01:58.45 | TheRedBaron | ~lart TheRedBaron |
| 01:58.50 | TheRedBaron | f good{30} +f V{5} +f GM{5} +f L{5} +f ST{15} +f CL{10} |
| 01:58.54 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 01:58.54 | blast007 | hehe |
| 01:58.59 | blast007 | common error |
| 01:59.07 | TheRedBaron | duh.... |
| 02:03.05 | TheRedBaron | ~blast007++ |
| 02:04.39 | Mr_Mole1 | TheRedBaron: u rule ! |
| 02:05.14 | blast007 | yay karma |
| 02:05.43 | RPG_ | heh he hasn't found out that that's the default part message.... |
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| 02:06.43 | *** part/#bzflag Mr_Mole1 (n=William@ACC9383C.ipt.aol.com) |
| 02:07.30 | conanhome | does anybody see this server on server lists: muriandre.homelinux.org:5154 |
| 02:07.34 | conanhome | ? |
| 02:07.44 | TheRedBaron | ~bzfquery muriandre.homelinux.org:5154 |
| 02:07.51 | RPG_ | ~bzfquery muriandre.homelinux.org |
| 02:07.57 | conanhome | argh |
| 02:13.20 | *** part/#bzflag trepan (n=trepan@unaffiliated/trepan) |
| 02:15.35 | blast007 | conanhome: your port 5154 is closed |
| 02:15.58 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (i=lan56@user-vcauvks.dsl.mindspring.com) |
| 02:16.08 | blast007 | make sure up open/forward it on your router (if you have one) and open the port on your local computer's firewall (again, if you have one) |
| 02:16.10 | conanhome | blast007: i don't undesrstand what is happening, i can join from inside |
| 02:16.15 | blast007 | both TCP and UDP |
| 02:16.17 | conanhome | so server is running |
| 02:16.19 | blast007 | right |
| 02:16.21 | conanhome | no firewall |
| 02:16.26 | blast007 | is there a router? |
| 02:16.34 | conanhome | nope |
| 02:16.36 | conanhome | no nada! |
| 02:16.47 | blast007 | well, something is blocking it |
| 02:17.52 | blast007 | how is your computer connected to the internet? usb/ethernet broadband modem? |
| 02:17.59 | RPG_ | ...or tin can and string? |
| 02:18.30 | blast007 | and also, if there is no router, that means you are directly connected to the internet, and without a firewall, you would be wide open to attacks |
| 02:20.53 | conanhome | blast007: yep |
| 02:21.01 | conanhome | ethernet modem |
| 02:21.20 | conanhome | blast007: yeah, with a bzflag server maybe i start considering it |
| 02:21.29 | blast007 | what OS? |
| 02:21.47 | conanhome | but as an anonymous user i hope chances are on my side ;) |
| 02:21.55 | conanhome | gentoo linux |
| 02:22.19 | blast007 | okay, better than having Windows XP wide open ;D |
| 02:22.50 | conanhome | can it be something with bzflag server conf? cause i have started servers before and everybody could connect, even ppl from UK! |
| 02:23.06 | blast007 | it's nothing with bzflag |
| 02:23.11 | blast007 | it with your network configuration |
| 02:23.14 | devster | nothing wrong with people from the uk! :P |
| 02:24.27 | conanhome | blast007: ugh! gonna have to check what it is then... :( |
| 02:24.35 | blast007 | iptables? |
| 02:24.51 | blast007 | but you said no firewall...which contradicts what nmap is telling me |
| 02:24.52 | conanhome | blast007: nope! (no security at all!, come on hack me!) |
| 02:25.11 | blast007 | um, there is SOME kind of firewall |
| 02:25.37 | blast007 | or your ISP is blocking stuff now |
| 02:25.41 | conanhome | devster: nothing wrong with UKers, but that night i started server for local ppl and didn't know someone who hasn't been told can find it |
| 02:25.53 | conanhome | blast007: hum... |
| 02:26.12 | conanhome | blast007: lets try another port, gimme a sec |
| 02:26.19 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (n=frank@p5481B827.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:26.38 | blast007 | the SSH and WWW ports show closed too |
| 02:27.11 | conanhome | ! |
| 02:27.19 | conanhome | now im worried... |
| 02:27.44 | TheRedBaron | its already been hacked!?! :-) |
| 02:28.01 | conanhome | blast007: iptables -what to list rules? |
| 02:28.24 | blast007 | no idea, I don't use it |
| 02:28.41 | devster | -L |
| 02:28.48 | conanhome | no i have none |
| 02:29.02 | conanhome | maybe dyndns didn't upgrade yet |
| 02:29.13 | conanhome | what ip shows you muriandre.homelinux.org ??? |
| 02:29.19 | blast007 | I compared it to your IP from irc...same |
| 02:29.23 | RPG_ | ~dns muriandre.homelinux.org |
| 02:29.27 | conanhome | 190.48.60.48 |
| 02:29.32 | blast007 | yup |
| 02:29.39 | conanhome | then i don't understand nothing |
| 02:29.48 | conanhome | hum... let me see.. |
| 02:29.57 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 02:31.22 | *** join/#bzflag SportChick (n=SportChi@ca-redbch-cuda1-c3b-a-40.stmnca.adelphia.net) |
| 02:32.07 | conanhome | ~bzfquery muriandre.homelinux.org |
| 02:32.17 | conanhome | ~bzfquery muriandre.homelinux.org:59999 |
| 02:32.32 | conanhome | duh |
| 02:34.29 | TheRedBaron | blast007: hmm more troubles :) |
| 02:35.39 | blast007 | TheRedBaron: :) |
| 02:36.08 | TheRedBaron | ok |
| 02:36.27 | TheRedBaron | Another computer within the same network, cannot connect to my little local server |
| 02:36.41 | TheRedBaron | now, we do have a HTTP proxy in place |
| 02:36.46 | blast007 | firewall on the machine running the server? |
| 02:37.00 | TheRedBaron | i disabled norton... |
| 02:37.14 | *** join/#bzflag orchid (n=bzgirl@unaffiliated/orchid) |
| 02:37.14 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v orchid] by ChanServ |
| 02:37.26 | TheRedBaron | "Error connecting to server. |
| 02:37.31 | blast007 | try running a ping |
| 02:38.41 | TheRedBaron | ping is fine |
| 02:43.09 | blast007 | hmm |
| 02:43.39 | blast007 | you could try running a: telnet <ip> <port> |
| 02:44.01 | blast007 | just replace the last two things with the info for the server |
| 02:44.18 | blast007 | you should get a BZFS0026 back |
| 02:47.24 | TheRedBaron | i get wierd characters |
| 02:47.38 | TheRedBaron | and then connection to host lost |
| 02:47.48 | blast007 | did you see the BZFS thing? |
| 02:48.00 | TheRedBaron | bzfs002gt-e (then wierd characters |
| 02:48.10 | blast007 | okay, that's normal |
| 02:48.18 | blast007 | it's sending packet data |
| 02:48.44 | blast007 | does bzadmin work? |
| 02:48.47 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Mole1 (n=William@ACC9383C.ipt.aol.com) |
| 02:49.04 | blast007 | oh, and was that telnet run on the other machine? |
| 02:49.21 | TheRedBaron | yes |
| 02:49.52 | blast007 | guess I shouldn't have asked two questions in succession ;) yes to which one? |
| 02:50.08 | TheRedBaron | yes to telnet :) |
| 02:50.11 | blast007 | k |
| 02:50.13 | TheRedBaron | yes to bzadmin :) |
| 02:50.22 | TheRedBaron | ok looking at the logs on the server machine |
| 02:50.24 | blast007 | strange.... |
| 02:50.54 | TheRedBaron | says "Player sent huge packent length <len=7003>, possible attack |
| 02:51.01 | TheRedBaron | removes the player |
| 02:51.56 | TheRedBaron | ooh? |
| 02:52.05 | Mr_Mole1 | yup |
| 02:52.37 | blast007 | where was that from? |
| 02:52.44 | blast007 | the other machine? |
| 02:53.12 | TheRedBaron | nope, server machine.. |
| 02:53.23 | TheRedBaron | that is taken from the log on the server machine |
| 02:53.28 | blast007 | the connection I mean |
| 02:53.35 | TheRedBaron | yes |
| 02:53.48 | blast007 | strange... |
| 02:54.01 | blast007 | I don't know why it would send such a large packet |
| 02:54.02 | TheRedBaron | yea, bzflag and bzadmin are using 2 different ports... |
| 02:54.24 | blast007 | the source port will be different |
| 02:54.42 | TheRedBaron | bzflag client 1401 and 1868 |
| 02:54.51 | blast007 | cuz it picks a random number from 1024 to 65535 |
| 02:54.57 | TheRedBaron | oh |
| 02:55.03 | blast007 | the destination port is still 5154 |
| 02:55.16 | TheRedBaron | yup |
| 02:55.23 | blast007 | that's how they track who is talking to them, through sockets, which are based on the source and destination port |
| 02:57.02 | blast007 | try running just 'bzfs -ddd' on the server, and try connecting to that |
| 02:59.32 | TheRedBaron | no luck |
| 02:59.37 | TheRedBaron | from the other machine |
| 03:00.14 | blast007 | hrm...don't know then |
| 03:00.26 | TheRedBaron | well thank you for your patience anyway! |
| 03:00.31 | TheRedBaron | ~blast007++ |
| 03:00.39 | TheRedBaron | I hate for it to end like this :( |
| 03:00.47 | TheRedBaron | To have you try all that and still not work. |
| 03:00.51 | blast007 | in the client, have you tried using the IP address? |
| 03:01.07 | blast007 | hrm...though it got to the server, so nvm |
| 03:01.34 | TheRedBaron | ok... that worked! |
| 03:01.44 | TheRedBaron | hmm won't let the client spawn. |
| 03:02.03 | TheRedBaron | but there are no flags. |
| 03:02.07 | TheRedBaron | just a random world |
| 03:02.09 | blast007 | with just the bare config? |
| 03:02.14 | TheRedBaron | empty config |
| 03:02.15 | TheRedBaron | no config |
| 03:02.17 | TheRedBaron | just -ddd |
| 03:02.22 | blast007 | :/ |
| 03:02.25 | TheRedBaron | let me start up my other config |
| 03:04.02 | TheRedBaron | weee |
| 03:04.11 | TheRedBaron | now the server machine can't connect to itself |
| 03:04.25 | TheRedBaron | the other machine can connect to the server, but cannot spawn, and doesn't see my flags |
| 03:04.27 | TheRedBaron | lol |
| 03:06.08 | blast007 | hehehe... |
| 03:06.51 | TheRedBaron | #Mandatory flags |
| 03:06.51 | TheRedBaron | +f V{5} +f GM{5} +f L{5} +f ST{8} +f CL{8} |
| 03:07.00 | TheRedBaron | that line shouldn't mess it up? |
| 03:07.15 | blast007 | nope |
| 03:07.41 | TheRedBaron | #Number of superflags that must exist at all times |
| 03:07.41 | TheRedBaron | +s 19 |
| 03:07.55 | blast007 | what will have at least 19 random flags |
| 03:08.01 | blast007 | which is fine too |
| 03:08.25 | blast007 | -s controls the maximum amount of random flags |
| 03:10.20 | TheRedBaron | ok what command would limit how many players could connect? |
| 03:10.32 | blast007 | -mp |
| 03:10.41 | TheRedBaron | -mp 6 |
| 03:10.47 | TheRedBaron | lets 6 players connect? |
| 03:10.53 | blast007 | there are two versions of it, one limits just the total, one limits per team |
| 03:10.55 | blast007 | yup |
| 03:11.34 | TheRedBaron | not really caring about teams, |
| 03:11.38 | blast007 | k |
| 03:11.40 | TheRedBaron | probally will be all rouge :) |
| 03:12.44 | conanhome | now trying without the rotating server, just a plain world downloaded from a working server and this is the anser: |
| 03:12.48 | conanhome | $ bzadmin conan@muriandre.homelinux.org:5154 |
| 03:12.50 | conanhome | Connecting to conan@muriandre.homelinux.org:5154 |
| 03:12.53 | conanhome | Communication error joining game [Wrong Code 6774]. |
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| 03:13.15 | SilentSwan | mmm... hot cocoa |
| 03:14.03 | TheRedBaron | blast007: the 2nd machine can connect... |
| 03:14.07 | TheRedBaron | but it doesn't see any flags |
| 03:14.16 | TheRedBaron | nor can it spawn |
| 03:14.20 | TheRedBaron | and if you type anything from it |
| 03:14.39 | TheRedBaron | nvm |
| 03:15.05 | Inferno285 | hey, it's SS |
| 03:15.14 | SilentSwan | hey, it's Inferno285 |
| 03:16.31 | TheRedBaron | blast007: 2nd machine connects after all |
| 03:16.38 | TheRedBaron | just takes ages to "sync" |
| 03:16.46 | TheRedBaron | and has 48ms of jitter |
| 03:17.26 | Inferno285 | TRB, what are you working on? |
| 03:18.23 | TheRedBaron | not sure of it myself :) |
| 03:18.56 | Inferno285 | hey, does anyone here live in Minnesota? |
| 03:19.53 | Inferno285 | cause if you do, I've got 5 more spots left for homocides this month (not really!) |
| 03:21.28 | TheRedBaron | blast007: it feels like we all have momentum. oddd |
| 03:21.52 | Inferno285 | TRB, try "/msg" |
| 03:22.40 | TheRedBaron | i dont' like that |
| 03:22.58 | TheRedBaron | If some else knows what my problem might be, I"d appreciate their input :) |
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| 03:33.44 | TheRedBaron | ~hail blast007 |
| 03:33.45 | ibot | ACTION bows down to blast007 and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 03:34.41 | blast007 | heh |
| 03:35.18 | blast007 | using -a in your config? |
| 03:38.30 | TheRedBaron | i think so |
| 03:40.05 | blast007 | that's momentum |
| 03:40.17 | blast007 | acceleration limits |
| 03:40.28 | blast007 | anyway, time to go home..cya, and good luck |
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| 04:59.33 | SilentSwan | ok, i guess this weekend, i get to play around with swapping out video cards... |
| 04:59.56 | SilentSwan | i'll first have a go at another model 6800GT... and if that overheats, i'll just get a 6600GT... |
| 05:00.02 | SilentSwan | but this is bad |
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| 06:59.56 | ToughShooter_ | Hmm, is the debian problem really solved? |
| 07:00.51 | ToughShooter_ | There is one player with 2.0.4 at silvercat and has around 26 +- 275ms lag and he seems to be unable to shoot anyone else. |
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| 07:09.57 | ToughShooter_ | He uses ubuntu |
| 07:12.38 | ToughShooter_ | and gcc 4.0.2 |
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| 07:35.36 | Pimpinella | ToughShooter_: i never had that "debian" problem with any of my builds. I have no idea why it happend, but it must have been solved soon after 202 |
| 07:36.41 | _Manu_ | I uses algo ubuntu and gcc 4.0.2 and no problems |
| 07:36.47 | _Manu_ | s/uses/use |
| 07:37.13 | _Manu_ | I also use ubuntu |
| 07:37.21 | Pimpinella | buenos dias _Manu_ |
| 07:37.35 | _Manu_ | hallo Pimpinella and bye :( |
| 07:37.39 | _Manu_ | gotta go :/ |
| 07:37.50 | Pimpinella | me too... |
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| 07:46.46 | ToughShooter_ | det has the same probs after compiling 2.0.4 with gcc-3.4 |
| 07:47.35 | ToughShooter_ | I feel like not having the slightest clue what causes it if he really uses that new compiled thing :( |
| 07:47.38 | det | Oh |
| 07:47.48 | det | I just set gcc-3.4 |
| 07:47.51 | det | not g++ |
| 07:48.30 | det | maybe it is an AMD64 bug? |
| 07:48.36 | ToughShooter_ | ah, still no gcc_select |
| 07:48.46 | ToughShooter_ | yeah, it is related to AMD64 |
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| 07:49.29 | ToughShooter_ | it won't show up if you don't use AMD64, if I remember correct |
| 07:49.41 | det | I guess I can use a chroot binary |
| 07:50.13 | det | go obs me and see if I have bullets |
| 07:50.35 | ToughShooter_ | Can't do now, too busy :( |
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| 07:53.07 | det | ok, thanks for your help |
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| 07:55.40 | ToughShooter_ | det: If I were you I would rejoin this channel when the US people are awake (in 10 hours) and ask them for help. The Linux devs (e.g. Tupone) know much more about it, I am sure. |
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| 08:02.21 | det | Yay, the 32bit version of "2.0.4.20051123-STABLE-linux-gnu-SDL" works |
| 08:02.53 | det | I am gonna try the g++-3.4 compiled 64-bit version of it next, but i can use the chroot version if I need. |
| 08:04.09 | det | I am glad you pointed it out shooter, I was getting really agitated that I couldnt seem to hit anyone, I shockwaved ontop of people and did GMs and stuff. I havent played this game in years. I figured it was lag or something :-) |
| 08:12.51 | det | Ok, 64bit g++-3.4 compiled version works. |
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| 17:00.47 | ruskie | ok now to figure out this gamepad thingy... |
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| 17:35.13 | ruskie | anyone around here using a gamepad to play? |
| 17:35.17 | ruskie | on linux |
| 17:35.29 | devster | not me but i was going to try |
| 17:35.46 | ruskie | yeah I'm trying |
| 17:35.47 | ruskie | buttons work |
| 17:35.56 | devster | do u need drivers for gamepads etc? |
| 17:35.56 | ruskie | but the joysticks on it don't :( |
| 17:36.36 | ruskie | joydev iirc |
| 17:36.52 | ruskie | libjsw and the jscalibrator find it properly and it works |
| 17:37.45 | devster | that a command or driver? |
| 17:37.54 | ruskie | command |
| 17:37.57 | ruskie | driver is in the kernel |
| 17:38.37 | devster | what gamepad u usin? |
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| 17:39.48 | ruskie | speedlink bullfrog |
| 17:40.02 | ruskie | has force feedback but no clue how to use it... |
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| 17:48.59 | devster | hmm my analog sticks on my ps2 controller sorta work, either reverse+right or forward+left |
| 17:56.30 | ruskie | ahhh got it working |
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| 18:08.23 | ibunny | hi ppl |
| 18:11.59 | ibunny | hey dpkg question... how do i find what package an installed file belongs to? |
| 18:12.05 | ibunny | anyone? |
| 18:12.19 | Chestal | dpkg -S |
| 18:12.21 | ibunny | i have a file on the system, and i want to know which package it comes from |
| 18:12.28 | ibunny | no it doesnt work |
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| 18:49.14 | ruskie | hmmm do I dare go play with the gamepad or not... |
| 18:50.35 | Aribeth | dare rare |
| 18:50.46 | Aribeth | dare dare |
| 18:52.21 | blast007 | it's not bad once you get used to it, though I still prefer a mouse |
| 18:52.33 | blast007 | the force feedback makes it cool |
| 18:52.57 | ruskie | hmmm don't yet know how to get force feedback working on linux |
| 18:53.01 | ruskie | I have the iforce module loaded |
| 18:53.30 | blast007 | when you run ./configure, I think it says if it has support for it |
| 18:53.42 | ruskie | erm |
| 18:53.43 | ruskie | bzflag? |
| 18:55.34 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:55.41 | JeffM2501 | it can be fun with a gamepad |
| 18:55.43 | JeffM2501 | I've done it before |
| 18:56.00 | ruskie | checking for linux rumble joystick support... yes |
| 18:56.00 | ruskie | checking for linux force feedback joystick support... yes |
| 18:56.08 | ruskie | I take it it's built with that :) |
| 18:56.14 | blast007 | yup :) |
| 18:56.20 | ruskie | but don't I have to do something on the system to get it working? |
| 18:56.33 | ruskie | btw what's the difference between direction and rumble... |
| 18:56.34 | blast007 | did you turn the option on in bzflag? |
| 18:56.43 | ruskie | yup |
| 18:56.59 | blast007 | direction is for joysticks that can move the stick in a specific direction, rumble just shakes |
| 18:57.04 | blast007 | directional* |
| 18:57.17 | ruskie | I guess gamepad is rumble then... |
| 18:57.21 | blast007 | yup |
| 18:57.34 | ruskie | hmmm when does it kick in? |
| 18:57.40 | ruskie | when shot? when shooting? |
| 18:57.45 | blast007 | when you shoot, die, etc |
| 18:57.49 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 18:57.55 | ruskie | ok definately didn't work when I was trying it out |
| 18:57.58 | blast007 | not sure if there is a FF test program for linux |
| 18:58.16 | ruskie | doesn't it write some stuff back to the joystick device? |
| 18:58.27 | blast007 | yeah |
| 18:58.34 | ruskie | hmmm so I need to get it to the proper group |
| 19:01.59 | ruskie | hmmm ff isn't working :( |
| 19:03.14 | ruskie | isnt there like some daemon I need to attach to it? or some such? |
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| 19:05.13 | ruskie | not sure if this uses iforce though... but I take it it's all the same |
| 19:19.04 | DTRemenak | ruskie: hmm? |
| 19:22.12 | ruskie | DTRemenak, got meself a gamepad :) |
| 19:22.21 | ruskie | but can't get the rumble action working :( |
| 19:22.32 | ruskie | everything else does work though :) |
| 19:23.10 | DTRemenak | probably not supported by the kernel. what brand, what kernel? |
| 19:23.57 | ruskie | 2.6.13 |
| 19:24.04 | ruskie | speedlink bullfrog |
| 19:24.18 | ruskie | lsusb reports it as Belkin |
| 19:24.57 | ruskie | running on usb |
| 19:26.15 | ruskie | hmm kjscal is a GOOODDD kernel module to have... auto calibration of the joystick/gamepad |
| 19:28.37 | ruskie | hmmm the only bad thing is that the analognes of the joystick on the pad could be a tad better calibrated... it reaches top speed way to fast... maybe I should increase the mouse box... |
| 19:29.03 | ruskie | hmm it is on maximum |
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| 19:30.50 | DTRemenak | mousebox size does not affect joystick input |
| 19:31.04 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 19:31.06 | ruskie | what does then |
| 19:31.12 | ruskie | since it looks to behave very similary |
| 19:31.47 | DTRemenak | it's locked at the 10k point on the joystick controller. we ask the driver to set 10k as max, some drivers refuse to do so |
| 19:32.38 | ruskie | hmmm wouldn't it be better to get the max of the joystick? and use that? |
| 19:32.58 | DTRemenak | more drivers lie about their true maximum than refuse to set a false one :) |
| 19:33.10 | ruskie | true |
| 19:34.19 | ruskie | I really don't want to use the digital mode of the game pad... |
| 19:34.25 | ruskie | I much more prefer the analog... |
| 19:34.36 | DTRemenak | hm, actually it looks like I've mixed it up with the other joystick drivers. evdev does sample based on the reported maximum and scales to 1k |
| 19:34.39 | ruskie | there a way I can get the maximum and modify it somewhere in the source? |
| 19:34.46 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 19:34.56 | ruskie | I'm usind js0 directcly... |
| 19:35.01 | ruskie | or in this case js1 |
| 19:35.08 | ruskie | but through input... |
| 19:35.12 | ruskie | not usind evdev |
| 19:35.48 | ruskie | so there anything I could do to have it work the way I want? |
| 19:35.49 | DTRemenak | that would explain why you have no rumble, can't write back to js* |
| 19:36.05 | DTRemenak | it should be mapped to event* also |
| 19:36.40 | DTRemenak | if bzflag is picking it up, it probably is already |
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| 19:37.16 | DTRemenak | run bzflag -debug -debug -debug -debug from the commandline, you should get some joystick info with the other stuff |
| 19:38.05 | DTRemenak | I'm guessing you'll see something like "Opened event device /dev/input/event2 as read-only." |
| 19:38.43 | ruskie | Opened event device /dev/input/event0 as read-write. |
| 19:38.44 | ruskie | Device /dev/input/event0 doesn't seem to be a joystick. Skipping. |
| 19:39.15 | DTRemenak | it should run through about 20 of them |
| 19:39.25 | DTRemenak | or however many you have in /dev/input |
| 19:39.40 | ruskie | ahh only have 1 |
| 19:39.53 | ruskie | should I do ln -s js1 event1 ? |
| 19:40.16 | DTRemenak | hm. did you build your bzflag from source? |
| 19:40.52 | ToughShooter | ~bzfquery 84.176.35.24:5154 |
| 19:40.56 | ruskie | yup |
| 19:41.07 | ruskie | and yes bzflag did say support for forcefeedback and stuff |
| 19:41.33 | DTRemenak | huh. it shouldn't be picking up your joystick at all if it's built with evdev support and you have no event devices |
| 19:42.35 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 19:43.38 | ruskie | it isn't looking for anything evdev related |
| 19:43.41 | ruskie | it doesl ook for input |
| 19:43.45 | ruskie | and finds it |
| 19:43.56 | ruskie | and does some check on forcefeedback |
| 19:44.06 | ruskie | I have the full compile log and configure log available on hand... |
| 19:44.41 | DTRemenak | yeah, evdev is part of the input subsystem |
| 19:44.54 | DTRemenak | it should check for rumble support and for ff support |
| 19:45.14 | DTRemenak | if it finds any of those three it builds with evdev, otherwise it falls back to SDL |
| 19:45.44 | ruskie | anything specific I can grep for in the logs? |
| 19:46.19 | ruskie | to see how it's built with? |
| 19:46.54 | DTRemenak | when you look at the input menu, do the axis-changing things say "X", "Y" and so on, or "0", "1", and so on? |
| 19:48.20 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Are your CVS HEAD servers incredible laggy or is it just me? |
| 19:48.26 | ruskie | yup |
| 19:48.28 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: they should not be laggy |
| 19:48.38 | ruskie | I have 0-6 |
| 19:48.42 | ruskie | for both X and Y |
| 19:48.49 | DTRemenak | then it's definately using SDL |
| 19:48.54 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 19:49.01 | ruskie | how can I make it use evdev? |
| 19:49.05 | DTRemenak | evdev devices report X, Y, Z, Rx, Ry, Rz, Throttle, etc |
| 19:49.12 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: At BIYA's 0026 I get around 220ms - okay due to distance |
| 19:49.39 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: But on all of your HEAD ones I get 400+ and around 100ms jitter |
| 19:49.46 | DTRemenak | ruskie: HAVE_LINUX_INPUT_H is defined in include/config.h? |
| 19:50.04 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: probably something screwed up wrt network protocol |
| 19:50.10 | DTRemenak | they're on the same connection |
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| 19:50.32 | ruskie | lo ugm |
| 19:50.45 | gsnedders | hi |
| 19:52.40 | SilentSwan | could someone please tell me what this is: |
| 19:52.41 | SilentSwan | broken link src: /t12:f |
| 19:52.41 | SilentSwan | broken link src: /t12:b |
| 19:52.49 | SilentSwan | Keep seeing that in the log files now and then |
| 19:53.20 | DTRemenak | ruskie: scratch that. SDLPlatformFactory is slightly more magical than LinuxPlatformFactory. You just need to get your joystick to show up as /dev/input/event* and it should switch to evdev |
| 19:53.38 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: Same at laggy.windows.server.at.bzflag.game-host.org |
| 19:53.52 | ruskie | DTRemenak, ahhh |
| 19:53.56 | ToughShooter | SilentSwan: I think your teleporter links in map are broken |
| 19:54.15 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: yeah. perhaps ask Tupone if any of his changes might have tripped something up. |
| 19:54.16 | SilentSwan | really? hmm |
| 19:54.20 | SilentSwan | ok, i'll check them |
| 19:54.32 | SilentSwan | it's an older map... maybe it was an "unfinished" version |
| 19:54.37 | ToughShooter | ~wake Tupone |
| 19:54.39 | ibot | Tupone: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 19:54.40 | ruskie | DTRemenak, so what a ln -s? or should I just mknod it into that? |
| 19:54.46 | DTRemenak | ruskie: I dunno :S |
| 19:54.50 | ToughShooter | :) |
| 19:54.52 | DTRemenak | don't think ln will work |
| 19:54.55 | ruskie | hmmm ok |
| 19:55.00 | DTRemenak | but I've been wrong about that stuff before :) |
| 19:55.15 | ruskie | <-- switched from udev to static /dev |
| 19:55.50 | DTRemenak | you do have evdev loaded, right? |
| 19:55.57 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: It seems to go high when I shoot |
| 19:56.12 | ruskie | hmmm could be missing that... |
| 19:56.22 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: hmm. shot messages are bigger now, but not a whole lot. |
| 19:57.04 | Tupone | ToughShooter: :) |
| 19:58.38 | ToughShooter | but I also have huge jitter when I do nothing |
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| 19:59.04 | ToughShooter | shooting just gives it a little bit (10ms) extra |
| 20:00.09 | ToughShooter | Tupone: There was a player that had the no shoot probs with 2.0.4 on Ubuntu :/ |
| 20:00.25 | Tupone | 64 bits ? |
| 20:00.40 | ToughShooter | Tupone: he had 26 +- 265ms at silvercat |
| 20:00.44 | ToughShooter | Tupone: yup |
| 20:00.53 | ToughShooter | with gcc 4.0.2 |
| 20:01.04 | Tupone | I remember something having problem with 64 bits |
| 20:01.57 | ToughShooter | I asked him to come here and tell the devs what is happening and he came here 12 hours ago |
| 20:01.59 | Tupone | someone :) But not me |
| 20:02.25 | ToughShooter | for the meantime I gave him tip to use gcc 3.x |
| 20:03.15 | Tupone | why all the problems with not-owned-by-dev distribution? :) |
| 20:03.27 | ToughShooter | It's systemic ;) |
| 20:04.16 | ruskie | hmmm ok got it to use evdev now... |
| 20:04.25 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 20:04.29 | ruskie | but still no ff :( |
| 20:04.47 | DTRemenak | what does the debug stuff say? |
| 20:04.49 | ruskie | hmmm /me load iforce |
| 20:05.17 | DTRemenak | iforce will probably do nothing. the original iforce protocol is not used by much sadly :( |
| 20:05.25 | DTRemenak | nobody has reverse-engineered the iforce2 |
| 20:05.35 | ruskie | :( |
| 20:05.57 | DTRemenak | there are about a dozen sticks & wheels that are supported by directional ff under iforce |
| 20:06.02 | ruskie | Opened event device /dev/input/event2 as read-write. |
| 20:06.02 | ruskie | Opened event device /dev/input/event3 as read-write. |
| 20:06.06 | DTRemenak | rumble supports about a half-dozen more protocols |
| 20:06.27 | ruskie | don't even know if this thing uses ifroce... |
| 20:06.39 | DTRemenak | probably doesn't. it is simple rumble, right? |
| 20:06.44 | ruskie | yup |
| 20:06.54 | ruskie | Force Vibration Gamepad |
| 20:07.10 | ruskie | DX compat it says on the box :) |
| 20:07.17 | blast007 | ;) |
| 20:07.45 | blast007 | it was funny when I plugged my USB joystick into a linux box...it just worked without extra stuff |
| 20:07.52 | blast007 | yet on Windows, I needed drivers |
| 20:07.55 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:07.57 | DTRemenak | don't see any references to belkin or speedlink |
| 20:07.57 | ruskie | yeah |
| 20:08.08 | ruskie | erm? |
| 20:08.09 | DTRemenak | so probably no rumble driver for it yet |
| 20:08.14 | DTRemenak | you can write one if you want :) |
| 20:08.15 | ruskie | ahh |
| 20:08.18 | ruskie | naahh |
| 20:08.24 | ruskie | I'll enjoy the rumbles version for now... |
| 20:08.28 | DTRemenak | they're fairly simple actually |
| 20:08.33 | ruskie | now to see how this works in a real game... |
| 20:08.40 | ruskie | DTRemenak, if you know how to code prolly true |
| 20:08.48 | DTRemenak | just takes a bunch of time to pick apart the protocol |
| 20:09.31 | DTRemenak | naw, it's very straightforward. no coding experience needed. probably need to learn something about ioctl, and know how to write structs, but no more. |
| 20:11.16 | DTRemenak | depending on what the device actually makes you do, of course |
| 20:11.56 | DTRemenak | the hard part is the reverse-engineering. after that, you can send docs to random people and they can write the actual driver |
| 20:12.23 | ruskie | hmmm a single Setup.exe |
| 20:12.27 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:12.43 | ruskie | they needed to burn the whole cd just for a single file... |
| 20:13.03 | ruskie | hmmm so how could I reverse-engineer it? |
| 20:14.03 | DTRemenak | basically you need to record what goes over the usb for a given action (like sending a force signal) |
| 20:14.21 | jpa- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.36 | ruskie | ndisasm? |
| 20:14.38 | DTRemenak | you'll need to do it under windows since you have no driver for it under linux |
| 20:14.43 | ruskie | ahh |
| 20:14.47 | ruskie | then I can't do much there |
| 20:15.00 | ruskie | <-- hasn't a single win cd around... |
| 20:15.13 | DTRemenak | then you tell windows to tell the joystick to, say, apply a constant force...and you listen to the usb to hear what windows actually tells it |
| 20:15.15 | jpa- | would be too easy to set up some usb traffic logging under linux :) |
| 20:15.15 | ruskie | they were all sandpapered away on a joyus sunday afternoon one day... |
| 20:15.31 | DTRemenak | then you tell linux to tell the joystick the same thing |
| 20:15.40 | DTRemenak | and voila, you have a constant force in linux :) |
| 20:15.54 | DTRemenak | that is of course grossly simplified :( |
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| 20:15.57 | jpa- | or call the manufacturer and offer to write a linux driver :P |
| 20:16.09 | DTRemenak | heh...yeah, if you can get docs it's something else entirely |
| 20:16.20 | ruskie | hmmm |
| 20:16.28 | ruskie | I could ask.. |
| 20:17.20 | ToughShooter | blast is laggy, too :) |
| 20:17.46 | jpa- | then again.. some evil manufacturer would make you sign an NDA and distribute driver as a propietary binary :/ |
| 20:18.15 | blast007 | ToughShooter: heh ;) |
| 20:18.22 | DTRemenak | jpa-: then he could reverse-engineer it from linux :) |
| 20:18.45 | ToughShooter | err, I meant brad |
| 20:18.58 | jpa- | :D |
| 20:22.05 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: It seems it was false alarm, blast's server is okay. Only all other lag much :/ |
| 20:22.14 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 20:27.52 | SilentSwan | medication withdrawal really *sucks* |
| 20:28.17 | Aribeth | what meds? |
| 20:28.40 | SilentSwan | celexa & lamictal |
| 20:28.58 | Aribeth | duno what they are for |
| 20:29.15 | SilentSwan | google is your friend :) |
| 20:29.19 | jpa- | probably for irc-addiction and headache |
| 20:29.26 | SilentSwan | trying to come off these horrible things |
| 20:29.39 | Aribeth | good |
| 20:29.59 | SilentSwan | slow process, takes a couple months |
| 20:30.05 | Aribeth | yep |
| 20:30.18 | Aribeth | i know how that goes |
| 20:30.59 | SilentSwan | i get my refill tonight, so... until then i get to be horribly dizzy |
| 20:31.35 | Aribeth | ahh |
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| 20:41.20 | ruskie | DTRemenak, so what can I do to get more control out of this gamepad |
| 20:41.35 | ruskie | I can't play with only this little movement options... |
| 20:42.31 | DTRemenak | ruskie: try to find out its real maximum values |
| 20:42.50 | ruskie | how? |
| 20:43.11 | DTRemenak | evdev.cxx, before line 318, add a thing to dump the value to the console if it's > 1000 |
| 20:43.49 | DTRemenak | something like DEBUG1("Over maximum, %d\n", value); |
| 20:44.51 | DTRemenak | then play for a bit, making sure to push the joysticks all the way to the edges |
| 20:45.11 | DTRemenak | and scroll through the list (assuming you actually get some that are over) and see what the max is |
| 20:47.16 | DTRemenak | divide by 1000 to get a factor (like if you have 2500 as the maximum, use 2.5), and multiply the minimum and maximum values on 310, 311, 312 by that factor |
| 20:47.51 | ruskie | evdev.cxx??? where that be? |
| 20:48.03 | DTRemenak | src/platform/EvdevJoystick.cxx |
| 20:48.47 | ruskie | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.48 | ruskie | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.51 | ruskie | here? |
| 20:49.23 | DTRemenak | yeah, before that block |
| 20:49.38 | DTRemenak | add the debug1 statement. then run bzflag -debug |
| 20:49.57 | ruskie | before both of those? |
| 20:50.00 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 20:50.15 | DTRemenak | otherwise it'll clamp it and never exceed 1000 |
| 20:50.21 | ruskie | ahh ok |
| 20:50.39 | DTRemenak | probably actually want "if (abs(value) > 1000) DEBUG1("Over maximum, %d\n", value);" |
| 20:50.45 | DTRemenak | to cut down on the clutter |
| 20:53.11 | SilentSwan | !weather 60515 |
| 20:53.15 | Guu | SilentSwan: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 28°F. |
| 20:53.22 | SilentSwan | oh good heavens |
| 20:53.29 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:53.33 | DTRemenak | !weather 91126 |
| 20:53.36 | Guu | DTRemenak: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 60°F. |
| 20:54.22 | Aribeth | i think its reporting the dew point |
| 20:54.50 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 20:54.53 | Guu | Aribeth: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 15°F. |
| 20:54.59 | SilentSwan | yeesh |
| 20:55.00 | Aribeth | heh wrong |
| 20:55.33 | SilentSwan | ok, according to suntimes.com, it's 23F at chicago o'hare airport |
| 20:55.36 | SilentSwan | close enough |
| 20:55.48 | Aribeth | its 48 here |
| 20:56.00 | Aribeth | guu is reporting the dew point |
| 20:56.13 | DTRemenak | Aribeth: a dewpoint of 60 degrees farenheit? I think not :) |
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| 20:56.36 | Aribeth | the dew point for 30040 is 15 degrees |
| 20:56.54 | Aribeth | hola trepan |
| 20:56.55 | DTRemenak | forecasted high for today is 63 here |
| 20:57.03 | DTRemenak | 60 is not far off |
| 20:57.21 | Aribeth | something is amiss though |
| 20:57.26 | Aribeth | with guu |
| 20:57.34 | DTRemenak | yeah, it needs an upgrade |
| 20:57.40 | SilentSwan | i'm trying to not move my eyes from side to side too much... makes me even dizzier |
| 20:57.50 | trepan | hi Ari |
| 20:57.51 | SilentSwan | reading is a bit of a challenge heh |
| 20:57.54 | Aribeth | why are you dizzy? |
| 20:58.00 | SilentSwan | med withdrawal |
| 20:58.04 | SilentSwan | as previously mentioned |
| 20:58.05 | Aribeth | ohh |
| 20:59.26 | Aribeth | warrning! the surgeon general has determined that taking this medication may cause you to drive a tank eratticaly, or may cause dizzyness |
| 20:59.45 | Aribeth | :P |
| 21:00.16 | ruskie | lol |
| 21:00.29 | SilentSwan | they should have warningsa bout this stuff, but the big pharmaceutical companies won't have that... |
| 21:00.38 | Aribeth | yep |
| 21:00.53 | Aribeth | they get you hooked |
| 21:02.45 | JeffM2501 | And the universe will give me strength like spinach....... |
| 21:02.53 | Aribeth | heh |
| 21:03.14 | Aribeth | maybe, i already have the squinty eye |
| 21:05.08 | SilentSwan | ugh.. why do people think "irssi" is so wonderful? it hasn't been updated in over 2 years, the documentation either a) doesn't exist, b) doesn't match what's actually there... |
| 21:05.23 | ruskie | SilentSwan, you sure about that |
| 21:05.24 | JeffM2501 | because it's not ckicly |
| 21:05.24 | SilentSwan | there is no god but epic |
| 21:05.30 | ruskie | Irssi 0.8.10-rc8 (20051130) - http://irssi.org/ |
| 21:05.30 | ruskie | :) |
| 21:05.38 | SilentSwan | ah.. |
| 21:05.52 | SilentSwan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:05.57 | ruskie | lol |
| 21:05.59 | SilentSwan | i saw that on the irssi page |
| 21:05.59 | ruskie | I kow... |
| 21:06.01 | SilentSwan | first item |
| 21:06.03 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:06.06 | ruskie | it's in the svn repo |
| 21:06.19 | SilentSwan | ruskie do you have a /network command? |
| 21:06.28 | ruskie | http://irssi.org/files/irssi-0.8.10-rc8.tar.gz <-- here's the tarball |
| 21:06.28 | DTRemenak | couple years for a revision bump, it's all good :) |
| 21:06.35 | SilentSwan | ty |
| 21:06.41 | ruskie | yup I do |
| 21:06.46 | SilentSwan | unreal |
| 21:06.56 | Aribeth | kvirc |
| 21:06.58 | SilentSwan | i loaded it from gentoo portage... |
| 21:07.03 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak sounds like bzflag :) |
| 21:07.18 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: we do 6 months pretty consistently :) |
| 21:07.18 | ruskie | switch to source mage :) |
| 21:07.29 | DTRemenak | and we even throw in a minor version every once in a while :) |
| 21:07.38 | JeffM2501 | ever since 1.10 |
| 21:07.45 | JeffM2501 | 1.10 took more then 6 months |
| 21:07.54 | DTRemenak | cause of 1.8 |
| 21:07.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:08.08 | DTRemenak | butchered development for like a year |
| 21:08.19 | ruskie | what's the 1.8? |
| 21:08.21 | DTRemenak | it doesn't even close to compile on windows :) |
| 21:08.25 | ruskie | something horribly broken? |
| 21:08.32 | JeffM2501 | it was 1.8 |
| 21:08.36 | DTRemenak | I beat at it for a long time and never could get it to build |
| 21:08.43 | JeffM2501 | it was in deve when 1.7.xX was king |
| 21:08.57 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak I just want to see what some of the stuff was |
| 21:09.09 | JeffM2501 | when it was active I did not understand the guts of even base bzflag |
| 21:09.30 | DTRemenak | that's where I pulled the shot reload indicator idea from. of course in 1.8 it was done in xml... |
| 21:09.35 | JeffM2501 | but I'm having too much fun with the mini tanks |
| 21:09.44 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 21:09.48 | JeffM2501 | you can drive a mini tank aorund now :) |
| 21:10.00 | DTRemenak | hahahaha |
| 21:10.03 | JeffM2501 | I want to record a chainsaw motor for there sounds |
| 21:10.03 | DTRemenak | that's great |
| 21:10.49 | JeffM2501 | could make the spawn sound a couple failed pull starts too |
| 21:11.17 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:11.19 | JeffM2501 | "press F1 to engage the choke" |
| 21:11.29 | brlcad | that'd be funny |
| 21:11.53 | SilentSwan | tanks that run out of gas... might be interesting |
| 21:12.44 | DTRemenak | heh :) acceleration uses lots of gas, that's one way to kill the ME players :) |
| 21:13.23 | SilentSwan | isn't there a "-a" option in the config file that will supposedly "solve" the mouse-enhanced issue? |
| 21:13.31 | SilentSwan | havn't tried it yet |
| 21:13.44 | Aribeth | tanks that spontaniously explode |
| 21:14.18 | JeffM2501 | does that mean you could get the fuel efficent "hybrid" flag? |
| 21:14.39 | JeffM2501 | I haven't hooked up mouse controll yet |
| 21:14.54 | JeffM2501 | that's better then spontanious expositions |
| 21:15.15 | SilentSwan | i've had a few of those too |
| 21:15.18 | SilentSwan | won't go there |
| 21:15.36 | JeffM2501 | sometimes you just gotta let if fly |
| 21:15.39 | SilentSwan | enough alcohol, ya know hehe |
| 21:15.47 | ruskie | hmm DTRemenak I'm not getting any output... |
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| 21:16.12 | DTRemenak | ruskie: probably means that the drivers are actually reporting the real maximum |
| 21:16.20 | DTRemenak | and the hardware itself is just jumpy |
| 21:16.23 | ruskie | so why does it work so oddly then? |
| 21:16.36 | ruskie | I mean it works a lot like the mouse :( |
| 21:16.46 | Tupone | is your gamepad analogic? |
| 21:16.53 | ruskie | I can switch it |
| 21:16.58 | ruskie | have analog or digital mode |
| 21:17.00 | ruskie | I'm using analog |
| 21:17.10 | Tupone | analog should be right |
| 21:17.46 | ruskie | yeah but I get like maybe a very small part of it hmm I'd say 1/6th of speed control |
| 21:17.52 | ruskie | the rest is just maximized |
| 21:18.15 | ruskie | very very very hard to control a tank... |
| 21:18.27 | ruskie | could it be that the driver has a smaller size? |
| 21:19.33 | Tupone | you have to print the x,y number from the source, before any elaboration |
| 21:19.36 | DTRemenak | could be. remove the if () part of it, and let it dump all the numbers |
| 21:19.55 | ruskie | was just doing that :) |
| 21:20.54 | ruskie | with libjsw I was only getting numbers from -128 to +128 but then with sdljoytest I got numbers that were configned to the screen size of the sdljoytest window... |
| 21:24.52 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: ping |
| 21:24.55 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:25.02 | Thumper_ | plugin commandline arguments |
| 21:25.06 | Thumper_ | -loadplugin name,args |
| 21:25.13 | Thumper_ | if you want multiple args can you do this? |
| 21:25.20 | Thumper_ | -loadplugin name,arg1,arg2,arg3 |
| 21:25.26 | Thumper_ | or does it have to be quoted or what? |
| 21:25.27 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to parse out the others |
| 21:25.30 | JeffM2501 | but yeah |
| 21:25.45 | Thumper_ | I'm expecting commandline args="arg1,arg2,arg3" |
| 21:25.47 | Thumper_ | in that case |
| 21:25.49 | Thumper_ | is that correct? |
| 21:25.56 | JeffM2501 | yeh |
| 21:26.02 | JeffM2501 | unless I didn't do it right |
| 21:26.08 | Thumper_ | is there a way to pass args with spaces as delims instead of commas ? |
| 21:26.16 | Thumper_ | well in that case I'll just fix it ;) |
| 21:26.19 | JeffM2501 | space is special |
| 21:26.29 | JeffM2501 | it's used by the main command line parser |
| 21:26.31 | JeffM2501 | so no spaces |
| 21:26.32 | Thumper_ | that's what I thought... is there a way to pass spaces in the args? |
| 21:26.35 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 21:26.39 | Thumper_ | so you can't do somethign liek this |
| 21:26.46 | Thumper_ | -loadplugin name,"args with spaces" |
| 21:26.47 | JeffM2501 | no, as the main parser would thing it's the start of the next main arg |
| 21:26.52 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:26.53 | Thumper_ | good enough - thanks |
| 21:26.57 | Thumper_ | commas it is |
| 21:27.04 | JeffM2501 | the main parser would want "name,args with space" |
| 21:27.06 | Thumper_ | with the plugin doing it's own parsing |
| 21:27.12 | JeffM2501 | but the -loadplugin parser won't like that |
| 21:27.15 | blast007 | passing a config file would be best for that situation then |
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| 21:27.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:27.27 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 21:27.27 | JeffM2501 | or use bzdb |
| 21:27.37 | JeffM2501 | the plugin can access cusotm stuff in the vars file |
| 21:27.38 | Thumper_ | are there any config-parsing things already available ? |
| 21:27.44 | Thumper_ | other than the textutils tokenizer or a string |
| 21:27.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah bzdb |
| 21:27.55 | Thumper_ | I'd like a read-only config |
| 21:27.58 | JeffM2501 | add your options to the vars file |
| 21:28.00 | Thumper_ | so the server owner can set the config |
| 21:28.03 | JeffM2501 | then read them out |
| 21:28.05 | Thumper_ | and the plugins just reference the file to use |
| 21:28.06 | JeffM2501 | ohh |
| 21:28.17 | JeffM2501 | then you'd have to make your own parser |
| 21:28.22 | JeffM2501 | it's not hard with tok |
| 21:28.26 | Thumper_ | that way you can set the options for a plugin and it's not changeable |
| 21:28.30 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 21:28.43 | Thumper_ | I'm just tryign to avoid 3 different plugins from all copying the same code to parse a read-only config |
| 21:28.49 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 21:28.50 | Thumper_ | I'd prefer that to be common somewhere if possible |
| 21:28.58 | JeffM2501 | make a parser lib they all use :) |
| 21:28.59 | Thumper_ | not sure where that should go - textutils maybe |
| 21:29.08 | Thumper_ | or someplace completely new |
| 21:29.21 | JeffM2501 | if it's not direcly used by bzflag , it shoudl not be in bzflag |
| 21:29.31 | Thumper_ | good answer :) |
| 21:29.33 | JeffM2501 | so I'd make a common parsing lib your plugins use |
| 21:29.41 | Thumper_ | and I consider plugins to be separate |
| 21:30.11 | Thumper_ | can you define "if it's not part of bzflag..." a bit |
| 21:30.21 | Thumper_ | if it's included in the cvs is it part of bzflag? or are the |
| 21:30.27 | JeffM2501 | if the base part of bzfs dosn't use the function |
| 21:30.28 | Thumper_ | plugins considered a separate thing (which I think the plan is |
| 21:30.30 | Thumper_ | to split them out) |
| 21:30.38 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 21:30.42 | Thumper_ | thanks. (it won't_) |
| 21:30.52 | JeffM2501 | basicly if it's only used by a plugin then it should not be int he main bzfs code |
| 21:31.15 | JeffM2501 | it does make sense that there could be a common lib that just plugins use, and that code is in the plugins dir as a lib |
| 21:31.16 | Tupone | I agree with JeffM2501 :/ What happened to me |
| 21:31.21 | JeffM2501 | and just used by the plugins |
| 21:31.24 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:31.29 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 21:31.35 | JeffM2501 | see i"m not totaly irrational |
| 21:31.46 | Thumper_ | oh sorry Tupone... :) this isn't an only-jeff discussin |
| 21:31.53 | JeffM2501 | I think it would be nice to have a plugin tools lib that has common functions |
| 21:31.55 | Thumper_ | it just started with the params question |
| 21:32.03 | JeffM2501 | to reduce dupication |
| 21:32.07 | Thumper_ | me2 |
| 21:32.10 | Thumper_ | and we don't have one of those ATM |
| 21:32.11 | Thumper_ | IIRC |
| 21:32.12 | ruskie | hmmm it reaches 1000 and -1000 once in a while it seems |
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| 21:32.59 | DTRemenak | ruskie: could try commenting out what used to be line 322 (probably 323 for you)...that will give linear instead of parabolic acceleration. |
| 21:33.06 | DTRemenak | ooh, compiler bugs |
| 21:33.19 | JeffM2501 | not fun |
| 21:33.28 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 21:33.29 | JeffM2501 | specialy when I wrote the compiler |
| 21:33.34 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 21:33.48 | JeffM2501 | legacy code is my bane |
| 21:33.48 | Tupone | just to warn plugins writer ... don't send any message to the guy that is closing (going away) or bzfs could segfault |
| 21:34.17 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, we should probably trap that in the API call for them |
| 21:34.17 | Thumper_ | ok... I don't send any messages to any players in a plugin |
| 21:34.27 | Thumper_ | currently |
| 21:34.28 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 21:34.42 | Thumper_ | it's mainly logging stuff so you can figure out what is going on in-game |
| 21:35.09 | Tupone | well, I'm just looking at the code, for other stuff, ans saw a plugin event in a bad place :) |
| 21:35.27 | Thumper_ | um... which event ? |
| 21:35.35 | Tupone | remove player |
| 21:36.02 | Thumper_ | the bz_ePlayerPart event ? |
| 21:36.14 | Tupone | that routine is critical, do not mess with that unless you understand all |
| 21:39.01 | JeffM2501 | the event is just a triger, it would not change how the suriounding code ran |
| 21:39.27 | Tupone | I know, That is why I asked not to send message for that event |
| 21:39.51 | JeffM2501 | like a mesage to a player triggerd by that event? |
| 21:39.52 | Tupone | unless you defer the treatment of all events |
| 21:39.57 | Tupone | yep |
| 21:40.04 | JeffM2501 | noone would do that, that would be dumb |
| 21:40.26 | Tupone | like sending a message saying him "you die" :) |
| 21:40.26 | JeffM2501 | in general it's only used to tell the plugin somone left |
| 21:40.42 | JeffM2501 | well we shoudl protect against that in the send API call |
| 21:40.47 | JeffM2501 | and only send to valid players |
| 21:40.59 | Thumper_ | Tupone: ok - all I do with it is write to stdout ... the same |
| 21:41.05 | Thumper_ | message the server is broadcasting to all other players |
| 21:41.12 | JeffM2501 | there are cases where plugins can do supid things, jsut like people can do in patches |
| 21:41.14 | Thumper_ | not doing anythign specific to the player that left |
| 21:41.28 | Thumper_ | if the plugin does something dumb... the server dies |
| 21:41.39 | JeffM2501 | Thumper_, our API boradcast function is dumb |
| 21:41.44 | JeffM2501 | it needs to be made smarter |
| 21:41.49 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 21:41.53 | JeffM2501 | and not send to quiting players |
| 21:42.13 | Thumper_ | "our" ohoh ;) |
| 21:42.17 | JeffM2501 | you could have the problem even if you wern't using the remove event |
| 21:42.25 | JeffM2501 | just by luck |
| 21:42.37 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 21:42.56 | JeffM2501 | there should be a state on a player that says they are being removed |
| 21:43.00 | Thumper_ | I agree the API should change so it won't fail in that base |
| 21:43.03 | Thumper_ | base->case |
| 21:43.06 | JeffM2501 | then the API send should be smart to not send to them |
| 21:43.20 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 21:44.08 | Thumper_ | I don't have time to do anything with that tonight but I'll look at it tomorrow |
| 21:44.13 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:44.20 | JeffM2501 | I don't think there is any huge rush man :) |
| 21:45.01 | Thumper_ | everythign is a huge rush... or it ends up on the bottom of the todo list and never gets done |
| 21:45.14 | Thumper_ | at least that's the way my life seems to work |
| 21:45.22 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:45.54 | Thumper_ | so basically need to figure out if a player is leaving... and in that case never send any messages to him |
| 21:46.04 | Thumper_ | via the plugin api |
| 21:46.06 | JeffM2501 | hmm maybe electric lawn mower is a better sound |
| 21:46.10 | JeffM2501 | or those cheap little scooters |
| 21:46.13 | Thumper_ | that doens't sound too hard |
| 21:46.30 | JeffM2501 | there should be a state, that is set on remove |
| 21:46.37 | Thumper_ | for the mini tanks? putt putt putt... sputter... putt putt putt |
| 21:46.37 | JeffM2501 | just check it before sending |
| 21:46.48 | Thumper_ | wildo |
| 21:46.52 | JeffM2501 | well there are going to be a lot of mini tanks |
| 21:46.58 | JeffM2501 | so it can't be too anoying |
| 21:47.02 | Thumper_ | ick. my spelling is awful today |
| 21:47.19 | ruskie | DTRemenak, didn't help |
| 21:47.28 | Thumper_ | make them one-cylinder engine tanks... so they putt infrequently |
| 21:47.30 | ruskie | basicaly it maxes out before I reach the halfway mark on the axis... |
| 21:47.33 | DTRemenak | ruskie: didn't really expect it to |
| 21:47.36 | Thumper_ | so when there are lots... it's 'normal' |
| 21:47.44 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:47.55 | DTRemenak | but it was worth a shot :) |
| 21:47.58 | Thumper_ | or one-stroken engine I mean... |
| 21:48.00 | JeffM2501 | well I'll worry about sound on them when I have more then one driving around |
| 21:49.19 | ruskie | any other ideas DTRemenak? |
| 21:49.28 | DTRemenak | ruskie: get a different gamepad? :) |
| 21:49.39 | DTRemenak | ruskie: could be a driver flaw. more likely to be hardware. |
| 21:50.11 | DTRemenak | designed to move quickly instead of give you control |
| 21:50.22 | DTRemenak | for quakeish things |
| 21:50.31 | JeffM2501 | hmm they should pop a wheelie when they accellerate :) |
| 21:50.33 | DTRemenak | point 'n' spray |
| 21:50.39 | ruskie | hmm there an easy way I could downscale the stuff in bzflag? to maybe 500 or some such? |
| 21:50.42 | ruskie | instead of 1000 ? |
| 21:51.37 | ruskie | since there is some control but it's on such a small scale... |
| 21:51.58 | DTRemenak | ruskie: the problem is that the joystick reports the entire upper half as a single number |
| 21:52.03 | DTRemenak | there is no way to scale around that :) |
| 21:52.10 | JeffM2501 | is it a D pad? |
| 21:52.15 | JeffM2501 | or a real stick? |
| 21:52.23 | ruskie | D? |
| 21:52.27 | JeffM2501 | many cheap sticks are just buttons that get pushed for each di |
| 21:52.35 | JeffM2501 | Diectional pad |
| 21:52.38 | JeffM2501 | like a + |
| 21:52.42 | JeffM2501 | or is it a stick? |
| 21:52.48 | ruskie | nope... it has analog/digital sticks |
| 21:52.51 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: seems to be an analog stick on the controller |
| 21:52.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:52.56 | ruskie | depending on the mode of operation |
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| 21:53.07 | ruskie | it also has a 8 dir button... |
| 21:53.21 | ruskie | and 2 sticks that can work in either digital or analog mode |
| 21:53.21 | JeffM2501 | a "hat" |
| 21:53.25 | Tupone | ruskie, where you able to dump the number you get from the joystick? |
| 21:53.36 | Tupone | were :) |
| 21:53.46 | ruskie | Tupone, well it seems to be reaching -1000 and 1000 |
| 21:53.54 | Tupone | naha :/ |
| 21:54.08 | ruskie | but for some strange reasons numbers from 400 to 900 are oddly missing... |
| 21:54.09 | Tupone | that is after some processing |
| 21:54.22 | Tupone | you should get the number before |
| 21:54.26 | JeffM2501 | it coudl be a very big "Dead" zone |
| 21:54.37 | ruskie | which would corespond to what I'm acctually experiencing |
| 21:54.39 | Tupone | the +-1000 is a bzflag limit |
| 21:54.49 | ruskie | Tupone, how can I get it before... |
| 21:54.50 | DTRemenak | Tupone: processing does not fill in the gap, just scales it along the axis |
| 21:55.15 | DTRemenak | ruskie: move the dump code to before line 311 |
| 21:55.42 | DTRemenak | you do know that you don't have to run ./configure each time, right? |
| 21:55.48 | ruskie | yes |
| 21:55.54 | ruskie | I run clean in platform and bzflag |
| 21:55.57 | ruskie | and make in src |
| 21:56.04 | Tupone | don't need that |
| 21:56.06 | DTRemenak | don't bother cleaning in bzflag |
| 21:56.12 | DTRemenak | don't really need it in platform either |
| 21:56.25 | DTRemenak | the linker is fairly smart, it knows what changes |
| 21:56.29 | Tupone | make bother with date . Until your clock is right you are ssafe |
| 21:56.59 | Tupone | well, unless some weird problem happens :) |
| 21:57.02 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 21:57.18 | DTRemenak | rebuilding all in bzflag is very expensive |
| 21:57.40 | DTRemenak | lots of complex sources |
| 21:58.19 | ruskie | 128 is max |
| 21:58.42 | ruskie | though it gives 255 on some occassions |
| 21:59.12 | DTRemenak | yeah... exactly like the 500-1000 gap |
| 22:00.05 | DTRemenak | add a line before 312 to do "value*=2;" |
| 22:01.56 | DTRemenak | probably want clamping there too, since there's a shift. add a line after that to do "if (value > 255) value = 255; else if (value < -255) value = -255;" |
| 22:02.09 | ruskie | hmmm something odd happened with that... |
| 22:02.21 | ruskie | tank kpet going back and left all the time |
| 22:02.29 | DTRemenak | yeah, add the line I just said :) |
| 22:03.33 | DTRemenak | whoops, and do all that on line 310, not on 312/313. |
| 22:04.39 | ruskie | hmmm thought something was odd :) |
| 22:04.44 | brad2901 | ~bzflist |
| 22:05.33 | ruskie | hmmm keeps going back and right or some such |
| 22:06.42 | DTRemenak | k, should look something like http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/32154 ? |
| 22:07.56 | ruskie | hmm had value= post that |
| 22:08.52 | ruskie | hmmm no keep going left and back all the time |
| 22:09.29 | ruskie | and yeah that gap is there again it seems... 128-255 |
| 22:09.51 | DTRemenak | the *=2 should kill that. 128 should turn into 256 and be clamped to 255 |
| 22:10.07 | DTRemenak | where is your DEBUG? |
| 22:10.18 | ruskie | after the else |
| 22:10.44 | DTRemenak | what values do you get before the correction? are they at least different? |
| 22:10.56 | ruskie | before correction it's 128 |
| 22:11.01 | ruskie | with occasional 255 |
| 22:11.05 | ruskie | after it's mostly 255 |
| 22:11.18 | ruskie | with some under 128 value here and there |
| 22:11.47 | DTRemenak | can you stick a list before/after somewhere? |
| 22:11.56 | ruskie | sure thing |
| 22:14.11 | ruskie | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/32156 <-- pre || post --> http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/32157 |
| 22:15.10 | DTRemenak | can you add a DEBUG1("max/min %d/%d\n", currentJoystick->axis_info[axis].maximum, currentJoystick->axis_info[axis].minimum); and see what it claims the min/max are? |
| 22:15.25 | DTRemenak | doesn't matter where, anywhere will do |
| 22:21.04 | ruskie | doing it now... |
| 22:21.16 | ruskie | had to go fix up the kittens litter box first... |
| 22:22.02 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 22:22.14 | ruskie | max/min 255/0 |
| 22:24.55 | Thumper_ | Tupone: ping |
| 22:25.21 | DTRemenak | yeah, your stick just isn't reporting most of the axis data |
| 22:25.33 | DTRemenak | we can't do anything with it if we don't have it to begin with :) |
| 22:27.55 | Thumper_ | Tupone: nevermind |
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| 22:28.31 | ruskie | :'( |
| 22:33.40 | Tupone | pong |
| 22:33.45 | ruskie | hmmmm jswlib reports the number 128 when it's centered on all axis... |
| 22:35.31 | Thumper_ | Tupone: the send-message to leaving player issue |
| 22:35.44 | Tupone | yeah? |
| 22:35.45 | Thumper_ | is it only a problem for plugins since they trigger 'sometime later' |
| 22:35.56 | Thumper_ | at which point the player may already have left |
| 22:35.59 | Thumper_ | is that correct ? |
| 22:36.14 | Tupone | why? handling event is deferred? |
| 22:36.42 | Thumper_ | I guess I'm a little confused about your sending message to player thing earlier then |
| 22:37.11 | Thumper_ | I added a new plugin event when the server issues the 'player xxx left' message |
| 22:37.29 | Tupone | if some plugin register to that event and send message "could" cause the structure to be deleted, and bzfs going segfault |
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| 22:37.56 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 22:38.01 | Tupone | I don't mean it cause a segfault any time, just a little probability |
| 22:38.09 | Thumper_ | yes I understand |
| 22:38.36 | Thumper_ | I'm trying to find out how to tell if a player is 'marked for leaving' |
| 22:38.38 | Thumper_ | so I can skip that |
| 22:38.50 | Thumper_ | it's using sendMessage to send messages and that seems to do no checking for directMessage calls |
| 22:38.55 | Thumper_ | currently |
| 22:38.59 | ruskie | hmmm jswlib shows data going from 0-255 normaly... no skips... could there be something else here that breaks? |
| 22:39.08 | Thumper_ | so I need to wrap that and do my own loop thru the player list and skip any 'marked as leaving' |
| 22:39.54 | Thumper_ | I just haven't found where that is done yet... |
| 22:40.14 | Thumper_ | looking at the PlayerInLimbo stuff (in player.isPlaying() but not sure that's the right thing to look at yet)) |
| 22:42.04 | Thumper_ | the intent of that plugin trigger is to trap the server message |
| 22:42.07 | Thumper_ | about the player that is leaving |
| 22:42.31 | Thumper_ | and I want to fix the plugin API so if some future plugin |
| 22:42.48 | Thumper_ | does register for that event and then sends a message to that player |
| 22:43.03 | Tupone | I have not looked inside plugin, and I really don't want now and then. I just read the bzflag code and I noticed that |
| 22:43.04 | Thumper_ | the message to the player is ignored (dropped) |
| 22:43.28 | Thumper_ | I understand - I'm not asking you to look at any plugin code :) |
| 22:43.36 | Thumper_ | I was just trying to understand the problem better |
| 22:43.43 | Thumper_ | so I can make something that won't fail |
| 22:43.45 | Thumper_ | and still keep the event |
| 22:44.14 | Thumper_ | I _really_ don't want to create unstable code |
| 22:44.23 | Thumper_ | and will do everythign I can to avoid that |
| 22:44.42 | JeffM2501 | you can have the event there |
| 22:44.47 | JeffM2501 | it won't cause any harm itself |
| 22:44.51 | JeffM2501 | just make the send not geek |
| 22:44.53 | JeffM2501 | that's all |
| 22:44.56 | JeffM2501 | that wil be stable |
| 22:45.20 | Thumper_ | so I think that means the API can't use sendMessage directly |
| 22:45.32 | Thumper_ | and it needs to wrap that and do it's own looping thru the players and check state |
| 22:45.34 | JeffM2501 | it should never |
| 22:45.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:45.41 | JeffM2501 | we should abstract it |
| 22:45.43 | Thumper_ | ok |
| 22:45.53 | JeffM2501 | the API version of send message should be smart |
| 22:45.54 | Thumper_ | now I justneed to figure out what to actually check... :) |
| 22:46.06 | JeffM2501 | that way if we change network backend code, we don't have to change plugin code |
| 22:46.31 | Thumper_ | sounds like a plan to me |
| 22:46.46 | Thumper_ | JeffM2501: are plugin triggered events really deferred ? |
| 22:46.55 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:47.04 | JeffM2501 | nothing is deffered |
| 22:47.12 | Thumper_ | ok good. that makes it much simpler |
| 22:47.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:47.27 | JeffM2501 | when bzfs calls the events, all plugin events are called right then |
| 22:47.30 | Thumper_ | of course a plugin could do something stupid... |
| 22:47.43 | JeffM2501 | then the bzfs code moves on when the plugins are done |
| 22:47.46 | Thumper_ | like registering the for server message and creating a new server message which triggers teh event again... |
| 22:47.52 | Thumper_ | and you have a recursive issue... |
| 22:47.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:48.00 | JeffM2501 | you can hurt yourself |
| 22:48.01 | Thumper_ | but that's a plugin bug IMO |
| 22:48.03 | JeffM2501 | just like you can in a patch |
| 22:48.07 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 22:48.33 | JeffM2501 | as long as there is an exit state you will hit, you can recurse |
| 22:48.39 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 22:48.39 | JeffM2501 | if you MUST |
| 22:48.51 | Thumper_ | no thanks - I'd rather not ;) |
| 22:49.09 | JeffM2501 | sometimes it is the best way |
| 22:50.41 | ruskie | well kittens came to ussupr my keyboard so I'll grab a shower and go to bed... nyx all |
| 22:58.44 | uso | trepan: you have fixed the crash for purple on the matchservers? |
| 23:01.12 | Tupone | uso: I think I did |
| 23:01.39 | trepan | uso: didn't know, wouldn't have cared :) |
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| 23:05.56 | uso | ah, sorry :) |
| 23:06.07 | uso | Tupone: can you give me a hint where to find it, i.e. which file |
| 23:06.14 | uso | wanna try to put it into 2.0.4 |
| 23:06.52 | Tupone | hmm ... why? it is in 2.0.5 |
| 23:07.03 | Tupone | you can get that |
| 23:07.07 | uso | don't like bleeding edge for matches ;) |
| 23:08.18 | Tupone | I don't remember exactly. Something related to flag capture. You can look at cvs log on branch with my id |
| 23:08.44 | Tupone | I did less then the finger in my hands, after branching |
| 23:08.53 | uso | some days ago? |
| 23:08.54 | uso | ah, ok |
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| 23:26.23 | Tupone | brlcad: firefox 1.5 is ok on reading NetworkingProtocol.xml. I did a couple days updating. Mainly compilation of OO 2.0 :) |
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| 23:32.20 | uso | Tupone: thanks, the fix is in playing.cxx |
| 23:39.15 | SilentSwan | *grr* |
| 23:39.48 | SilentSwan | right, who's using irssi here? |
| 23:40.35 | DTRemenak | DTRemenak_Srv is |
| 23:41.32 | SilentSwan | ah well... is there a way to get "whois" info to show up in the active window? |
| 23:44.58 | blast007 | haven't tried this, but: http://jorge.digitalwolves.org/files/index.php?do=view&file=irssi/hack-whois-in-current-window.pl |
| 23:45.48 | JeffM2501 | baby got an atom bomb |
| 23:46.17 | blast007 | SilentSwan: ah, "A: You can disable the status window, or do /WINDOW LEVEL -CRAP in it which would also make several other messages show up in active window." |
| 23:46.35 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 23:46.38 | SilentSwan | ok, thanks |
| 23:47.02 | SilentSwan | this thing is insanel |
| 23:47.05 | SilentSwan | insane |
| 23:47.08 | JeffM2501 | why use it then? |
| 23:47.22 | SilentSwan | just trying it out |
| 23:47.23 | blast007 | run that /window command on the status window |
| 23:47.27 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 23:47.31 | SilentSwan | too late |
| 23:47.34 | SilentSwan | just did it on this window |
| 23:47.38 | blast007 | doesn't matter |
| 23:47.50 | blast007 | you can still run in at the status window and it will work |
| 23:47.59 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 23:48.05 | SilentSwan | not a clue what it does, but... i did it |
| 23:48.15 | blast007 | 'crap' by default goes to status, so taking it off there makes it go to the current window |
| 23:48.42 | SilentSwan | ah |
| 23:48.49 | SilentSwan | not sure that's really what i'd intended |
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| 23:49.17 | SilentSwan | well, it does the job so far |
| 23:49.30 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 23:49.31 | SilentSwan | god |
| 23:49.33 | SilentSwan | that didn't work right |
| 23:49.37 | SilentSwan | back to epic |
| 23:49.38 | SilentSwan | bbl |
| 23:49.39 | blast007 | heh |
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| 23:50.08 | SilentSwan | jeez, what a hack |
| 23:52.12 | SilentSwan | the only thing i wanted to see it for was the support for multiple networks |
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