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| 00:01.16 | Thumper_ | so if we have a flag grab event and we allow the plugin to change the flag id... |
| 00:01.28 | Thumper_ | I assume we have to make sure it's a valid flag, not in use, etc |
| 00:01.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:01.36 | Thumper_ | we can't just create a Useless flag out of thin air |
| 00:01.40 | Thumper_ | to replace the Geno |
| 00:01.48 | JeffM2501 | tho the current flag pickup code should do that allready |
| 00:02.03 | JeffM2501 | you can change the geno to useless |
| 00:02.10 | JeffM2501 | tho you'd have to know to change it back when he droped it |
| 00:02.15 | JeffM2501 | you can't add more flags |
| 00:02.28 | Thumper_ | so it'll chagne the Geno flag to Useless in the game? |
| 00:02.34 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:02.36 | JeffM2501 | basicly |
| 00:02.36 | Thumper_ | and if I don't chagne it back it stays Useless ? cool |
| 00:02.37 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 00:02.40 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:02.42 | JeffM2501 | I think |
| 00:02.45 | Thumper_ | one-time flag use |
| 00:02.49 | JeffM2501 | the flag code is all wacky |
| 00:02.53 | Thumper_ | flags change to useless when you drop them ;) |
| 00:02.56 | JeffM2501 | well then at some point you run out of genos |
| 00:03.05 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 00:03.28 | Thumper_ | and Identify is useless.. |
| 00:03.32 | Thumper_ | if all the flags are Useless and the plugin |
| 00:03.44 | Thumper_ | randomly changes it to something else when you pick itup |
| 00:05.21 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:05.31 | JeffM2501 | but then at that point, just DON'T put ID in game :) |
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| 00:13.24 | AlliedArmour | not even this works: |
| 00:13.24 | AlliedArmour | "C:\Program Files\BZFlag2.0.4\bzfs.exe" -world "C:\BZMaps\ratlab.bzw" -public "AlliedArmours server. Running RatLab!" -p 5158 |
| 00:13.51 | AlliedArmour | i tried 2.0.4 and no confi |
| 00:13.53 | AlliedArmour | *config |
| 00:14.16 | JeffM2501 | if you cd to the dir first |
| 00:14.30 | JeffM2501 | you won't need mos of that path |
| 00:14.34 | AlliedArmour | i use Start -> Run |
| 00:14.38 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 00:14.41 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 00:14.45 | AlliedArmour | will the path affect it? |
| 00:14.46 | JeffM2501 | do you get any errors? |
| 00:14.53 | AlliedArmour | no, just the mouse accel one |
| 00:15.02 | JeffM2501 | run with -d -d -d |
| 00:15.22 | AlliedArmour | just like this? "-d -d -d" |
| 00:15.23 | blast007 | run from a command prompt, so the window doesn't go away if something fails |
| 00:15.32 | JeffM2501 | also a good thing |
| 00:15.51 | AlliedArmour | well, the serve stays running so i know there isnt any errors. CP doesnt allow a long path |
| 00:16.01 | blast007 | what OS? |
| 00:16.09 | JeffM2501 | run with -d -d -d |
| 00:16.09 | AlliedArmour | Win98SE |
| 00:16.12 | blast007 | xp/2k? |
| 00:16.12 | blast007 | ah |
| 00:16.13 | AlliedArmour | k, trrying |
| 00:16.13 | JeffM2501 | oh man |
| 00:16.19 | JeffM2501 | dude why even bother |
| 00:16.25 | AlliedArmour | why not? |
| 00:16.30 | JeffM2501 | 9x is crap |
| 00:16.38 | JeffM2501 | that's also why your auth isn't working |
| 00:16.45 | JeffM2501 | libcurl has problems under 9x |
| 00:16.46 | AlliedArmour | ahhhh |
| 00:17.01 | AlliedArmour | but not even 2.0.2 worked. or does that also use it |
| 00:17.07 | JeffM2501 | it does |
| 00:17.12 | AlliedArmour | ahh, xplains it. |
| 00:17.13 | blast007 | global auth uses libcurl |
| 00:17.15 | JeffM2501 | libcurl is used for many of the URL stuff |
| 00:17.20 | AlliedArmour | i see |
| 00:17.36 | JeffM2501 | not that a 9x server would be that stable |
| 00:17.40 | AlliedArmour | gah, this is a pest |
| 00:18.02 | JeffM2501 | why such an old OS? |
| 00:18.06 | blast007 | yeah, have an -admsg saying "the server is going down for a reboot" |
| 00:18.10 | AlliedArmour | cant afford newer yet :( |
| 00:18.17 | JeffM2501 | linux is free |
| 00:18.28 | AlliedArmour | not with this mobo i have :( |
| 00:18.31 | AlliedArmour | it's awwwful |
| 00:18.43 | JeffM2501 | I'd not run a server on that system |
| 00:18.47 | blast007 | dude, I'm running linux on a 133MHz system |
| 00:18.56 | blast007 | with a server |
| 00:18.57 | JeffM2501 | he has a wierd AGP buss |
| 00:18.58 | AlliedArmour | i have a much better system than that |
| 00:19.02 | AlliedArmour | yeah |
| 00:19.14 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm sure it must have a compatability mode |
| 00:19.14 | AlliedArmour | it's a so-called "feature" |
| 00:19.23 | JeffM2501 | is this your main system for playing too? |
| 00:19.24 | blast007 | I don't have to worry about AGP on mine ;) |
| 00:19.26 | AlliedArmour | i've searched manual/site |
| 00:19.28 | AlliedArmour | yeah |
| 00:19.33 | AlliedArmour | it's my only system |
| 00:19.40 | JeffM2501 | heck, just go steal XP |
| 00:19.45 | AlliedArmour | who from? |
| 00:19.49 | JeffM2501 | the interweb |
| 00:19.51 | blast007 | *cough* we didn't say that *cough* |
| 00:19.59 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:19.59 | blast007 | but yeah ;) that's how I got mine |
| 00:20.00 | JeffM2501 | but realy |
| 00:20.03 | JeffM2501 | you have problems |
| 00:20.04 | AlliedArmour | hehe, why dont you send me a copy :P |
| 00:20.04 | JeffM2501 | fix them |
| 00:20.22 | JeffM2501 | because I want to see you work to solve your problems, not just ask everyone till somone fixes it for you |
| 00:20.26 | AlliedArmour | i'd love to fix my mobo probs. it was only meant for Win 2000/XO |
| 00:20.39 | AlliedArmour | this mobo wasnt built for any other OS |
| 00:20.49 | JeffM2501 | then get one of those OSs |
| 00:20.52 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard |
| 00:20.55 | AlliedArmour | i spent agges trying to get SuSE or Gentoo working |
| 00:21.01 | AlliedArmour | before going to the forum |
| 00:21.07 | JeffM2501 | that's in the past |
| 00:21.08 | JeffM2501 | move on |
| 00:21.17 | blast007 | Gentoo isn't what I would suggest for someone new to linux |
| 00:21.17 | AlliedArmour | yeah, but currently $109.99 CAD is out of my pricerange :( |
| 00:21.35 | AlliedArmour | i'm not that new to linux. i ran it before on my older 550MHZ and 600MHZ |
| 00:21.59 | blast007 | where are those systems at? |
| 00:22.06 | AlliedArmour | what ones? |
| 00:22.07 | menotume | m.b.o. not repsonding :( |
| 00:22.14 | blast007 | the 550 and 600 |
| 00:22.21 | JeffM2501 | you can get XP home for cheap |
| 00:22.22 | JeffM2501 | on ebay |
| 00:22.25 | AlliedArmour | my house |
| 00:22.26 | JeffM2501 | just get an OEM number |
| 00:22.31 | AlliedArmour | my bro is using the 600MHZ |
| 00:22.36 | AlliedArmour | and my grandma the other |
| 00:22.38 | blast007 | ah |
| 00:22.51 | JeffM2501 | and all other systems in the house run 98? |
| 00:22.54 | AlliedArmour | no |
| 00:22.55 | JeffM2501 | none of them have XP? |
| 00:22.57 | AlliedArmour | yes |
| 00:23.01 | JeffM2501 | 2k? |
| 00:23.12 | AlliedArmour | the 600 had 2000, and my older bro has XP home |
| 00:23.20 | brlcad | CAD? oh.. CAN? |
| 00:23.24 | AlliedArmour | yeah |
| 00:23.26 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:23.40 | AlliedArmour | i wanted to take the 2K from the 600MHz |
| 00:23.46 | AlliedArmour | but it's a Compaq locked one |
| 00:23.46 | JeffM2501 | so do it |
| 00:23.52 | JeffM2501 | then use the XP home one |
| 00:24.02 | AlliedArmour | it's HP |
| 00:24.10 | AlliedArmour | they lock their OSes |
| 00:24.13 | blast007 | Heaping Pile |
| 00:24.13 | JeffM2501 | then bid on a cheap ass XP on ebay |
| 00:24.22 | AlliedArmour | i'll check prices |
| 00:24.23 | JeffM2501 | or go "find" one |
| 00:24.29 | JeffM2501 | $1.99 |
| 00:24.30 | bdotson | mininova |
| 00:24.32 | bdotson | google that |
| 00:24.33 | bdotson | go there |
| 00:24.36 | blast007 | BitTorrent has lots of cool stuff |
| 00:24.38 | bdotson | find XP |
| 00:25.11 | JeffM2501 | http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?sofocus=bs&sbrftog=1&fstype=1&from=R10&catref=C12&satitle=windows+XP+Home+OEM&sacat=18793%26catref%3DC6&bs=Search&fsop=1%26fsoo%3D1&coaction=compare&copagenum=1&coentrypage=search&sargn=-1%26saslc%3D2&sadis=200&fpos=ZIP%2FPostal&ftrt=1&ftrv=1&saprclo=&saprchi= |
| 00:25.37 | JeffM2501 | d00m |
| 00:25.56 | blast007 | on yeah, right, forgot the capital 0's :) |
| 00:25.56 | SportChick | ummm |
| 00:26.00 | brlcad | bdotson: the thanks is appreciated, thanks |
| 00:26.03 | SportChick | is list serv or global id down? |
| 00:26.08 | JeffM2501 | the "cops" won't come get you unless your hosting |
| 00:26.20 | JeffM2501 | and MS would not sue a single user |
| 00:26.29 | JeffM2501 | they'd just make you buy a copy |
| 00:26.36 | AlliedArmour | hehe |
| 00:26.44 | JeffM2501 | so just fix your problem |
| 00:26.56 | AlliedArmour | do you mean fix my mobo prob? |
| 00:27.01 | JeffM2501 | your OS problem |
| 00:27.12 | AlliedArmour | i want to sack this mobo first |
| 00:27.16 | AlliedArmour | it wont cut XP well |
| 00:27.22 | AlliedArmour | it'll probably drag down my parts |
| 00:27.27 | JeffM2501 | then don't try to run stuff on it till you do |
| 00:27.34 | JeffM2501 | drag down your "parts"? |
| 00:27.35 | AlliedArmour | i'm intending to soon |
| 00:27.45 | JeffM2501 | do you have any clue what you are talking about? |
| 00:27.46 | AlliedArmour | yeah, like it's running my AGP8x VC @ AGP 2x |
| 00:27.53 | JeffM2501 | XP is many times faster then 9x |
| 00:27.55 | JeffM2501 | many many |
| 00:28.01 | blast007 | and has better hardward support |
| 00:28.04 | AlliedArmour | yes but what if the mobo doesnt |
| 00:28.04 | JeffM2501 | big time |
| 00:28.13 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet your mobo DOES |
| 00:28.19 | JeffM2501 | you said it was made for 2k/xp |
| 00:28.24 | JeffM2501 | mobo model? |
| 00:28.27 | AlliedArmour | have you seen it's VC list of compats? |
| 00:28.37 | JeffM2501 | vc? |
| 00:28.43 | AlliedArmour | ASRock P4i45GV. I'm using a Spahhire Radeon 9250 |
| 00:28.48 | AlliedArmour | VC = Video Card |
| 00:28.57 | JeffM2501 | radeons run just fine man |
| 00:29.00 | JeffM2501 | trust me |
| 00:29.02 | AlliedArmour | i know |
| 00:29.08 | AlliedArmour | but this mobo only supports some brands |
| 00:29.15 | JeffM2501 | the mobo is CERTIFIED, for XP |
| 00:29.21 | JeffM2501 | how much ram you have? |
| 00:29.24 | AlliedArmour | 256MB |
| 00:29.34 | JeffM2501 | your 9x isn't even using all that |
| 00:29.42 | AlliedArmour | i know |
| 00:29.53 | JeffM2501 | then how can you say that XP will "Drag down" your bits |
| 00:30.08 | AlliedArmour | not XP, the mobo |
| 00:30.10 | JeffM2501 | when all it has is better drivers, 32bit code, and poper support for your hardware? |
| 00:30.13 | AlliedArmour | i know XP will be perfect |
| 00:30.20 | JeffM2501 | then freaking DO it |
| 00:30.23 | AlliedArmour | i dont have a problem with XP, it's the mobo i dont trust you see |
| 00:30.28 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 00:30.36 | JeffM2501 | it can't be any worse then what you have now |
| 00:30.42 | JeffM2501 | you need XP for your new mobo anyway |
| 00:30.47 | AlliedArmour | no i dont |
| 00:30.49 | AlliedArmour | i checked |
| 00:30.56 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* |
| 00:31.01 | JeffM2501 | you are STILL going to have bzflag problems |
| 00:31.06 | JeffM2501 | even on the new mobo |
| 00:31.08 | JeffM2501 | under 98 |
| 00:31.10 | AlliedArmour | wouldnt it be a better investment to get rid of bad parts and get an extra 256MB? |
| 00:31.16 | AlliedArmour | and install Gentoo |
| 00:31.20 | JeffM2501 | why? 9x won't even use it? |
| 00:31.35 | JeffM2501 | you sure linux will do all the things you want it to do? |
| 00:31.38 | JeffM2501 | you play any other games? |
| 00:31.45 | AlliedArmour | yeah, but Win98 does those |
| 00:31.54 | AlliedArmour | it's BZFlag and a few others that it doesnt do |
| 00:31.57 | JeffM2501 | win9x will be slow |
| 00:32.01 | JeffM2501 | way slower |
| 00:32.04 | JeffM2501 | and have problems |
| 00:32.09 | AlliedArmour | brb |
| 00:32.15 | JeffM2501 | freaking kids |
| 00:32.54 | SportChick | ~secretplace |
| 00:33.10 | SportChick | ~literal secretplace |
| 00:33.12 | ibot | "secretplace" is "<reply> see bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255" |
| 00:33.44 | SportChick | ibot: forget secretplace |
| 00:33.44 | ibot | i forgot secretplace, SportChick |
| 00:34.06 | SportChick | ~secretplace is <reply> see bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5355 |
| 00:34.08 | ibot | SportChick: okay |
| 00:34.13 | SportChick | ~secretplace |
| 00:38.35 | AlliedArmour | back |
| 00:38.41 | AlliedArmour | and i'm persuaded |
| 00:38.48 | AlliedArmour | i'll drop the new mobo and get XP instead |
| 00:39.04 | JeffM2501 | I'd get both |
| 00:39.12 | JeffM2501 | but XP should come first |
| 00:39.14 | JeffM2501 | then get a real mobo |
| 00:39.30 | AlliedArmour | i'll postpone a new mobo until i get a biggger system i think |
| 00:39.45 | AlliedArmour | then probably an A63 |
| 00:39.49 | AlliedArmour | *A64 |
| 00:39.56 | JeffM2501 | 200$ |
| 00:40.05 | AlliedArmour | for what? |
| 00:40.27 | JeffM2501 | 3500+ mobo |
| 00:40.34 | AlliedArmour | ahh, i see |
| 00:40.36 | AlliedArmour | chipset? |
| 00:40.44 | JeffM2501 | Nforce3 |
| 00:40.48 | AlliedArmour | brand? |
| 00:42.02 | AlliedArmour | hmm, i get $102.99 for a A64/X2 mobo with nF4 |
| 00:42.19 | AlliedArmour | CAD |
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| 00:42.32 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 00:42.42 | JeffM2501 | what do you do that requires an X2? |
| 00:42.48 | JeffM2501 | if you are hard up for cash |
| 00:42.53 | AlliedArmour | nothing, the mobo just supports it |
| 00:42.58 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 00:43.07 | JeffM2501 | many mobos support it |
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| 00:43.18 | JeffM2501 | both NF3 and 4s |
| 00:43.18 | AlliedArmour | i see |
| 00:43.22 | TD-Linux | almost all recent mobos that support A64 support X2 |
| 00:43.28 | JeffM2501 | you don't need a special x2 mobo, |
| 00:43.38 | AlliedArmour | yeah - almost all at my store are X2 |
| 00:43.56 | AlliedArmour | it's the 3rd cheapest mobo |
| 00:44.00 | AlliedArmour | for A64 |
| 00:44.16 | AlliedArmour | isn't the nf4 more stable than the nf3? |
| 00:44.20 | TD-Linux | X2 was designed so that it would work with current A64 chipsets |
| 00:44.30 | JeffM2501 | stable? |
| 00:44.37 | JeffM2501 | they are both good chipsets |
| 00:44.40 | JeffM2501 | the 4 has more features |
| 00:44.43 | JeffM2501 | and is faster |
| 00:44.44 | AlliedArmour | i see |
| 00:44.49 | AlliedArmour | i think i'd want that |
| 00:45.00 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:45.10 | JeffM2501 | techincaly 4 is more "unstable" becaus its newer |
| 00:45.14 | JeffM2501 | drivers haven't lived as long |
| 00:45.19 | AlliedArmour | it's the cheapest nf4 + PCI-X |
| 00:45.24 | AlliedArmour | i see |
| 00:45.35 | TD-Linux | how many PCI-E? |
| 00:45.51 | AlliedArmour | 1 16x, 1 1x |
| 00:45.57 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts nothing |
| 00:46.01 | JeffM2501 | drive to the US |
| 00:46.05 | JeffM2501 | hit up a Fry's |
| 00:46.08 | JeffM2501 | and be done with it :) |
| 00:46.12 | AlliedArmour | hehe, lovely |
| 00:46.14 | TD-Linux | some new ones have 2 x16 slots |
| 00:46.16 | DTRemenak|RDP | yay fry's |
| 00:46.20 | AlliedArmour | ga$ |
| 00:46.24 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, those are the SLI mobos |
| 00:46.34 | TD-Linux | yup |
| 00:46.50 | AlliedArmour | bah, i g2g |
| 00:46.51 | JeffM2501 | dtremenak I'm pissed, they had a 2400+ system for 99$ friday, and I was out of time :( |
| 00:46.55 | JeffM2501 | out of town |
| 00:46.59 | DTRemenak|RDP | heh |
| 00:47.05 | AlliedArmour | cyall and thanx for your help |
| 00:47.15 | JeffM2501 | tho the 2800+ and mobo for 70$ is a good deal |
| 00:47.20 | TD-Linux | PCI-E x1 slots aren't very useful |
| 00:47.26 | TD-Linux | any more than 2 is a waste |
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| 00:48.16 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak|RDP, they are dumping the 3500's can probalby get a good deal on it |
| 00:48.25 | DTRemenak|RDP | cool |
| 00:48.31 | TD-Linux | my P4 550 gets scorching hot... whatever you do don't get a P4 5xx |
| 00:48.36 | brlcad | DTRemenak|RDP: international conference on rewriting, deduction, and programming? |
| 00:48.44 | brlcad | if so, i'm jealous :) |
| 00:48.47 | JeffM2501 | last week that had one and a PCI-E/AGP combo mobo for 200 |
| 00:48.51 | DTRemenak|RDP | brlcad: remote desktop protocol |
| 00:48.57 | brlcad | bah :) |
| 00:48.59 | JeffM2501 | mozul picked one up |
| 00:49.08 | DTRemenak|RDP | my laptop likes to crash, so I use a remote connection to my desktop |
| 00:49.12 | JeffM2501 | so he'd not have to swap video cards right away |
| 00:49.22 | brlcad | heh, funny |
| 00:49.28 | JeffM2501 | and once I upgrade my vid, I could get you a PCI-E 6600 GTX |
| 00:49.51 | DTRemenak|RDP | sweet |
| 00:49.54 | TD-Linux | AA: didn't you say your old graphics card had a proprietary interface? |
| 00:50.21 | blast007 | TD-Linux: the site says it has a A.G.I. - ASRock Graphics Interface |
| 00:50.26 | JeffM2501 | his mobo has a wierd interface for them |
| 00:52.07 | TD-Linux | oh... AA left |
| 00:52.41 | JeffM2501 | tho by the site it should run linux just fine |
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| 02:07.52 | Ice_Wewe | Noooooo! |
| 02:08.03 | Ice_Wewe | Dang, I needed to talk to him |
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| 02:15.42 | Ice_Wewe | any idea of when JeffM2501 will be back? |
| 02:16.56 | Ice_Wewe | DTRemenak|RDP: hmm, going to AMD64? Me too, I want to get on the bandwagon... |
| 02:29.12 | Ice_Wewe | laterz |
| 02:34.44 | lan56 | what happened to silvercat? |
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| 03:23.05 | lan56 | I enter "-mp {0,5,5,0,0,1}" into bzfs yet it still allows 200 rogues. what am I doing wrong? |
| 03:23.50 | Thumper__ | no {} |
| 03:24.02 | Thumper__ | -mp 0,5,5,0,0,1 |
| 03:24.07 | lan56 | ahh I see |
| 03:24.09 | lan56 | thank you |
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| 03:41.49 | SilentSwan | hi Mr |
| 03:42.24 | Mr | hi |
| 03:42.36 | SilentSwan | ok... you said you need something for cvs? |
| 03:42.52 | SilentSwan | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -rv2_0branch -P bzflag |
| 03:42.54 | Mr | (I seldom do IRC :( so be patient) |
| 03:42.55 | SilentSwan | that should do it |
| 03:42.56 | brlcad | brrrr mr |
| 03:43.01 | SilentSwan | oh, no worries |
| 03:43.25 | Mr | .thats working |
| 03:43.30 | SilentSwan | :) |
| 03:43.44 | SilentSwan | just make sure you run "autogen.sh" before you do configure |
| 03:44.23 | Mr | ya |
| 03:44.33 | SilentSwan | guten Abend |
| 03:47.28 | Mr | using "internal c-ares lib" bad? |
| 03:47.33 | SilentSwan | no, that's ok |
| 03:48.43 | Mr | clunking... |
| 03:49.11 | SilentSwan | brb - getting coffee |
| 03:52.40 | SilentSwan | *gulp* |
| 03:56.06 | Mr | SilentSwan - su'ed and did make install |
| 03:56.12 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 03:56.57 | Mr | silly question - the binary displaced the old binary in /usr/local/bin ? |
| 03:56.58 | SilentSwan | hah |
| 03:57.02 | SilentSwan | yep |
| 03:57.34 | brlcad | eh, if by displace you mean overwrite, yep ;) |
| 03:57.35 | Mr | lets try it... |
| 03:57.38 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 03:58.45 | SilentSwan | that's quite odd |
| 03:59.09 | SilentSwan | perhaps someone here would be better able to field this one... |
| 03:59.41 | SilentSwan | if Mr builds bzflag on his system and does not use the binary package on bzflag.org for linux, he is unable to see his own shots or shoot other tanks. he can only shoot himself. |
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| 04:00.12 | Mr | yep, dates on binaries are recent... :( |
| 04:00.12 | brlcad | cheater! |
| 04:00.12 | Webstrand | hi |
| 04:00.16 | SilentSwan | heh |
| 04:00.22 | SilentSwan | hi Webstrand |
| 04:00.34 | Webstrand | what are all thease dll files in the bzflag root? |
| 04:00.42 | Webstrand | such as airspawn.dll |
| 04:00.57 | brlcad | Mr: you're on amd64 right? |
| 04:01.18 | Mr | yes fedora core 4 |
| 04:01.25 | brlcad | it's a "known issue" though none of the devs have compiled on a amd64 linux yet to debug the issue |
| 04:01.38 | SilentSwan | i run bz on amd64 gentoo |
| 04:01.40 | SilentSwan | with no problems |
| 04:01.42 | Mr | oh------ its known? I feel better |
| 04:02.07 | brlcad | yes, it's known and it's not everyone |
| 04:02.09 | SilentSwan | and i'm using the current 2_0branch cvs |
| 04:02.11 | SilentSwan | ah ok |
| 04:02.13 | Mr | yeah, I compiled before on gentoo x64 and worked... |
| 04:02.31 | brlcad | if you force 32bit build, it will work, iirc |
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| 04:02.45 | Webstrand | what are all thes dll files in the bzflag root? uch as 'airspawn.dll'? |
| 04:02.50 | brlcad | it all matters how it's being built and the checks involved |
| 04:02.58 | Mr | :) how to force 32 bit? |
| 04:03.28 | brlcad | probably a rather simple thing to fix too given gentoo works, it's just nobody has gotten compile/debug time yet on a box experiencing the problem |
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| 04:12.10 | Mr | this might take me a bit of time to figure out how to force the 32 bit compile... thanks all and later... |
| 04:12.22 | lan56 | bye |
| 04:12.45 | brlcad | if you want to provide up an ssh login for someone to compile, that would help too |
| 04:28.29 | SilentSwan | compile a rootkit? j/k :) |
| 04:29.27 | brlcad | that would imply it was a system worth rooting |
| 04:29.37 | brlcad | which it's not :) |
| 04:32.26 | SilentSwan | i'm listening to the grateful dead and i'm not even stoned... i'm scared now |
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| 04:40.46 | SilentSwan | hmm.. if anyone out there is using IE (shame on you): http://www.security.ithub.com/article/Unpatched+IE+Flaw+Is+Worse+Than+Expected/166164_1.aspx |
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| 05:16.24 | cosmos | so pillbox got busy today |
| 05:21.25 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: textual boolean operators are a language extension, don't use. |
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| 06:12.17 | SilentSwan | do bots not work on a CTF game? |
| 06:12.47 | cosmos | they have limited succes |
| 06:12.52 | cosmos | and tend to steal their own flags |
| 06:13.00 | SilentSwan | hmm haha |
| 06:13.08 | SilentSwan | they don't seem to even move in my case... ah well |
| 06:13.35 | SilentSwan | i just put together a "quickie" map - no jumping, no flags, 3 shots CTF |
| 06:14.20 | cosmos | yeah they will sit and jigger back and forth alot |
| 06:14.26 | SilentSwan | hah |
| 06:14.34 | SilentSwan | so do a lot of human players |
| 06:14.41 | cosmos | about the same intelligence as todays kids |
| 06:14.46 | SilentSwan | haha yep |
| 06:15.05 | SilentSwan | X-World 1.0 @ shattered.bzflag.bz:2982 |
| 06:15.15 | cosmos | we had an intern today who thought world war ii was fought in 1860 |
| 06:15.21 | SilentSwan | *sad* |
| 06:15.38 | SilentSwan | american edumacational sistm |
| 06:15.55 | cosmos | and lazy fat slob ass parents |
| 06:16.02 | SilentSwan | indeed |
| 06:16.08 | lan56 | I believe that was a year before the civil war started |
| 06:16.16 | cosmos | no reason their fat potato chip eating game playing rejects cant pick up some books and read them |
| 06:16.29 | cosmos | lan, nah they ran concurrent! |
| 06:17.09 | SilentSwan | good god, i'm german and know more american history than americans |
| 06:17.18 | lan56 | according to your intern apparently they did :) |
| 06:17.29 | SilentSwan | i'm also hungry... bbl |
| 06:17.34 | cosmos | heh |
| 06:18.12 | cosmos | pillbox starting to clear out now |
| 06:20.15 | cosmos | hrm armada21 talking smack about SC on my server |
| 06:21.32 | lan56 | thats not a respectable or nice thing to do |
| 06:24.18 | brlcad | hey, i like fat potato chips |
| 06:24.40 | cosmos | oh now hes threatening me |
| 06:24.45 | cosmos | time for the lifetime ban |
| 06:24.57 | cosmos | and for christ sake redsoxfan90 just joined |
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| 06:36.13 | SilentSwan | is it just me or has bzflag just become a very cold and unfriendly thing lately? *sigh* |
| 06:37.06 | SilentSwan | maybe it's just my perceptions, but it all started to change when 2.x came out |
| 06:37.35 | brlcad | you have to play on the non-jumping servers to find the nice people |
| 06:37.48 | brlcad | all the jumping makes people angry |
| 06:37.51 | SilentSwan | heh yeah... i just setup a non-jumping map :) |
| 06:38.00 | SilentSwan | one that i made in all of about 45 minutes |
| 06:38.15 | SilentSwan | the *wings* make people angry heh |
| 06:38.36 | brlcad | non-team flags make people angry ;) |
| 06:38.51 | brlcad | ducati-style, the one true style |
| 06:38.57 | SilentSwan | that's basically what i setup |
| 06:39.09 | SilentSwan | 5 red vs 5 purple - no flags, no jumps, 3 shots |
| 06:39.28 | brlcad | +rico |
| 06:39.29 | SilentSwan | yes |
| 06:39.38 | SilentSwan | i debated that one |
| 06:39.43 | brlcad | ~SilentSwan++ |
| 06:39.46 | SilentSwan | but stuck with it.. the map kind of favours it |
| 06:39.50 | SilentSwan | hehe thanks |
| 06:41.18 | SilentSwan | debated making it ONE shot as well... hehe |
| 06:41.25 | SilentSwan | figured that may not go over so well |
| 06:46.28 | learner | one shot works for me, two is ideal ;) |
| 06:46.34 | SilentSwan | right, let's see if my stomach survives this sandwich |
| 06:46.43 | SilentSwan | yeah, i liked 1-shot maps |
| 06:46.45 | learner | three is pretty much guaranteed a kill at mid-range |
| 06:46.57 | learner | if you're at all a decent ducati-styler |
| 06:47.22 | learner | as became quickly apparent on hepcat in its hayday .. like shooting fish in a barrel |
| 06:47.24 | SilentSwan | my map has a fair number of obstacles, which is why i decided on 3... but... provided people actually *play* it... we'll see |
| 06:49.54 | SilentSwan | listening to Coast to Coast AM on the radio... all the nutburgers calling in claiming to have been abducted by aliens, etc... *sigh* |
| 06:55.26 | SilentSwan | !weather 60515 |
| 06:55.29 | Guu | SilentSwan: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 37°F. |
| 06:55.33 | SilentSwan | ugh |
| 06:55.39 | lan56 | cold |
| 06:55.41 | SilentSwan | and windy |
| 06:55.46 | SilentSwan | it was nice today |
| 06:55.52 | Crazy_Cora | !weather 30040 |
| 06:55.54 | Guu | Crazy_Cora: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 50°F. |
| 06:56.12 | SilentSwan | i'll trade |
| 06:56.15 | Crazy_Cora | heh |
| 06:56.41 | SilentSwan | better yet, is there anyone here in Jamaica who wants to trade weather? |
| 06:58.14 | purple_cow | !weather 80302 |
| 06:58.16 | Guu | purple_cow: The current temperature in Weather Underground is -2°F. |
| 06:58.30 | purple_cow | wimps ;) |
| 06:58.32 | SilentSwan | you can keep yours |
| 06:58.38 | SilentSwan | where are you? |
| 06:58.48 | purple_cow | boulder, co |
| 06:59.17 | SilentSwan | hmm... anyway to get that thing to display C instead of F? |
| 06:59.22 | SilentSwan | or both? |
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| 07:42.49 | cosmos | !weather 90064 |
| 07:42.50 | Guu | cosmos: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 53°F. |
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| 08:09.23 | LePoulpe30341 | hi all |
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| 14:44.16 | jmjones | i'm trying to install bzflag from cvs source, but i keep getting this: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h) |
| 14:44.48 | jmjones | i think i've got every package that has gl.h in it (installing on ubuntu breezy) |
| 14:45.08 | jmjones | anyone have any success building the cvs version on ubuntu breezy? |
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| 14:47.28 | jmjones | and, actually, i just checked and i can't reconfigure and recompile the last stable source tarball i downloaded for the same reason.... |
| 14:51.19 | orchid | jmjones: nvidia drivers? |
| 14:52.17 | jmjones | orchid i'm going back thru the list of packages and i don't have those installed. this may sound dumb, but would i need them given i'm running an ati card? or does it not matter? |
| 14:52.36 | orchid | oh no you wont need them :) |
| 14:53.42 | orchid | do you have /usr/include/GL/gl.h? |
| 14:53.46 | jmjones | orchid i just started to install them but it wanted to uninstall my ati fglrx driver, which i kinda need to play bzflag.... |
| 14:53.50 | jmjones | orchid lemme check |
| 14:53.55 | orchid | /usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h |
| 14:54.16 | orchid | yes you need only ati drivers |
| 14:54.28 | jmjones | orchid i don't have /usr/X11R6/include/GL anything |
| 14:54.34 | orchid | ok one sec |
| 14:54.36 | jmjones | i have the /usr/include/GL/gl.h |
| 14:55.21 | orchid | do you have xlibmesa-gl-dev installed? |
| 14:55.23 | jmjones | i don't see any ubuntu package which provides the /usr/X11 one... |
| 14:55.44 | jmjones | ummm...think so...lemme check. |
| 14:56.16 | orchid | you can use apt-file search /usr/X11R6/include/GL/gl.h |
| 14:56.31 | orchid | if apt-file is installed of course |
| 14:58.10 | jmjones | i don't see an xlibmesa-gl-dev package. i have xlibmesa-gl installed, which wouldn't provide gl.h |
| 15:06.49 | orchid | maybe libgl1-mesa-dev but I'm not sure about that |
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| 16:47.26 | conanhome | ~dub |
| 16:47.37 | conanhome | ~silvercat |
| 16:47.58 | conanhome | ~hepcat |
| 16:48.21 | conanhome | argh... |
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| 19:26.22 | Tupone | hi SS ( I know you will not answer back as you are silent ) |
| 19:26.38 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 19:27.28 | Tupone | s/answer/wave/ |
| 19:40.26 | SilentSwan | hi Tupone :) |
| 19:40.36 | SilentSwan | not so silent, just busy at work *grr* |
| 19:40.40 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:40.59 | Tupone | fighting with some noob ? |
| 19:43.30 | SilentSwan | fighting with something worse: (l)users |
| 19:43.47 | Tupone | lol |
| 19:44.37 | ToughShooter | Hi Tupone |
| 19:44.45 | Tupone | hi ToughShooter |
| 19:45.04 | SilentSwan | this is what happens when my job gets outsourced and i'm dropped back down to "electronic janitor" status |
| 19:46.45 | ToughShooter | In the end almost everything will be outsourced in general, I think |
| 19:49.52 | SilentSwan | no, just the burger-flippers and executives are all that's left |
| 19:51.32 | SilentSwan | and as for the burger flippers, if you're not fresh across the southern border, don't even think about that job, either. |
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| 19:55.28 | Chestal | yahoo? |
| 19:55.41 | Grumbler | wasnt it a yahoo business? |
| 19:56.09 | Chestal | hmm, no. I ordered tea from two different German companies |
| 19:56.18 | Grumbler | hmm, maybe it was Nidhoggr |
| 19:56.28 | Chestal | maybe I have browsed some online shops once |
| 19:56.55 | Grumbler | yeah, i am again confused....probably |
| 19:57.16 | Chestal | got a tea emergency? |
| 19:57.31 | Grumbler | heh, no a christmas gift giving idea |
| 19:58.19 | Grumbler | bulk buy, then repackage a sampler for various people |
| 19:59.01 | Chestal | a friend brought along some tea from Beijing a few weeks ago, strange stuff |
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| 19:59.18 | Chestal | how can you have too much tea? |
| 19:59.29 | Grumbler | thats my idea |
| 20:02.50 | ToughShooter | I am sure almost all would not taste well with Croatian water :( |
| 20:03.01 | menotume | any ideas how someone can have lag os 23ms, and jitter of 500+ ? |
| 20:03.11 | menotume | their system clock ? |
| 20:03.17 | Grumbler | wireless connection? |
| 20:03.19 | ToughShooter | graphic drivers perhaps |
| 20:03.23 | menotume | http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/lagjitter.png |
| 20:03.27 | menotume | no wireless |
| 20:03.40 | menotume | errr, if jitter is > 500, how can lag be 23 ? |
| 20:03.42 | menotume | :) |
| 20:03.57 | menotume | is a laptop though |
| 20:04.12 | Chestal | smells like messed up timestamps, yes |
| 20:04.17 | menotume | ya |
| 20:04.24 | Grumbler | how long was it that way....sometimes it takes a while to become reasonable |
| 20:04.25 | menotume | like speedstep on a laptop ? |
| 20:04.32 | menotume | it was consistant |
| 20:04.40 | menotume | for 5 mins or more |
| 20:05.20 | Grumbler | i vote for timestamp funkyness then |
| 20:05.21 | menotume | I think he just went to turn off speedstep, brb |
| 20:05.23 | Chestal | there are/were issues with timing on windows, not sure if it has ever really been resolved |
| 20:05.37 | Chestal | from what I saw of it, it seemed to be a bug in Windows/drivers |
| 20:05.44 | Grumbler | sportchick could probably answer |
| 20:05.52 | Chestal | somethign similar happens now with Windows and dual-core CPUs |
| 20:05.59 | SilentSwan | hmmm.. maybe that's what i should do... get into the tea/coffee business |
| 20:06.04 | SportChick | what? |
| 20:06.10 | menotume | right, i remember the SC issue |
| 20:06.17 | menotume | it's all her fault, actually |
| 20:06.20 | Grumbler | menotume: which one? :) |
| 20:06.25 | SportChick | ~lart menotume |
| 20:06.31 | menotume | hehe |
| 20:06.33 | jpa- | "SC's issues" |
| 20:06.36 | ToughShooter | SportChick: look at the link meno gave. |
| 20:06.53 | ToughShooter | Aww, we lost her :( |
| 20:07.14 | menotume | ~unhumph SportChick |
| 20:07.16 | Grumbler | that does sound like the SportChick problem however...all SportChick ribbing aside |
| 20:07.21 | menotume | yes |
| 20:07.44 | menotume | he WAS jumping all over the map too |
| 20:08.02 | SportChick | what OS/client was he running? |
| 20:08.13 | ToughShooter | Screenie |
| 20:08.16 | menotume | :) |
| 20:08.30 | menotume | 2.04 stable win XP |
| 20:08.48 | Grumbler | home or pro |
| 20:08.55 | menotume | dunno |
| 20:08.59 | menotume | he's gone now :( |
| 20:09.10 | ToughShooter | mtn_lion was all over the place, too but never suspicious jitter shown |
| 20:09.21 | menotume | it was a new problem for him - i'll just assume the clock bug |
| 20:09.29 | Grumbler | maybe he was running ME as well ;) |
| 20:09.30 | ToughShooter | Could be a combination of both |
| 20:09.58 | orange | mtn_lion rings a bell with me... as some kind of problem player |
| 20:10.05 | menotume | a rebute of WinBlows may fix it |
| 20:10.15 | ToughShooter | We all like Windows ME |
| 20:12.50 | SportChick | mtn_lion has always seemed to have a cheat client orange |
| 20:12.59 | SportChick | he jittered way more than "jitter" |
| 20:13.07 | SportChick | allthe way across the map, instantenously |
| 20:13.52 | orange | yeah, that's him |
| 20:21.28 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: removePlayer: instantiate internal calls without use of defaulting |
| 20:23.35 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/common/AutoCompleter.cxx: gcc2 does not support std::string::clear() |
| 20:24.03 | ToughShooter | I rather vote that all are cheating - I never hear the sound of the first GM that is locked on me |
| 20:24.44 | Grumbler | hence, i say ban'em all |
| 20:24.46 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, GM can kill with no lock |
| 20:25.21 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: Even when you're, like, 20 units below the enemy and no one else near? |
| 20:25.24 | orange | man, I had ST the other day, came in towards a GM behind a teammate, the GM shot twice at my teammate, first killed him, second that was right behind it continued on and got me |
| 20:25.35 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, too, lol |
| 20:25.46 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, teleporters ;-p |
| 20:25.49 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: Without teleporters |
| 20:26.23 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, probably no :) |
| 20:26.26 | ToughShooter | My score on some servers may look bad as I'm highly specialized but I'm not a total newbie |
| 20:27.33 | orange | hehe, I do as badly on most jumping servers as I do well on pillbox |
| 20:27.37 | ToughShooter | All I know for sure is that I always heard the sound in 1.10.4 |
| 20:27.49 | orange | I never hear the sound... ever. |
| 20:27.51 | _Manu_ | also sometimes you can't lock :/ |
| 20:27.53 | Grumbler | yeah, the sound is borked |
| 20:28.00 | orange | perhaps I should stop using the -mute flag |
| 20:28.00 | Grumbler | has been for a while |
| 20:28.36 | _Manu_ | switching on your speakers also helps ;) |
| 20:28.50 | Grumbler | speakers?....you need speakers? |
| 20:29.08 | _Manu_ | I don't |
| 20:29.20 | ToughShooter | The first locked GM on me in the game is not giving me sounds but all laters are giving me. Don't know whether this is per app launch or per server |
| 20:30.05 | Grumbler | well, i havent seen the crazy missle lately....thats a plus |
| 20:30.35 | ToughShooter | but it's always the others, so they cheat to make me innocently look at their evil missile |
| 20:31.18 | _Manu_ | Grumbler, mean loudpeakers :) my english... :/ |
| 20:31.27 | _Manu_ | Grumbler, loudspeakers |
| 20:32.01 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, you know GM are almost useless :) |
| 20:32.02 | Grumbler | i was thinking quietspeakers....but yeah, loudspeakers |
| 20:32.22 | ToughShooter | We need "/ban *.*.*.*" to ban all IPv4 addresses, not only 255.*.*.* so we can get rid of cheaters |
| 20:32.43 | _Manu_ | better is /shutdown |
| 20:32.48 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: Where? |
| 20:32.50 | _Manu_ | less resources |
| 20:32.58 | _Manu_ | server command |
| 20:33.16 | ToughShooter | nah, I meant GM and useless |
| 20:33.31 | _Manu_ | then try it on me :) |
| 20:33.50 | Grumbler | heh, in COD2 the biggest issue right now is people that can see through the smoke bombs and auto-aimers....people suck |
| 20:33.52 | ToughShooter | On viper it is actually good |
| 20:34.10 | _Manu_ | but GM is easy to dodge |
| 20:34.10 | ToughShooter | but something is different on viper compared to the other servers |
| 20:34.23 | _Manu_ | difficult to dodge is the Laser :/ I'm still tranining |
| 20:34.46 | ToughShooter | Can't dodge so easily there, even GM turn angle looks normal but it isn't |
| 20:34.49 | _Manu_ | different?, what do you mean |
| 20:35.06 | ToughShooter | Like, I can't dodge as easy as on other servers |
| 20:35.07 | _Manu_ | GM at viper is using default config |
| 20:35.14 | ToughShooter | is -a used? |
| 20:35.18 | _Manu_ | no |
| 20:35.31 | _Manu_ | iirc :/ |
| 20:35.48 | ToughShooter | hmm but something is definitely different |
| 20:35.57 | _Manu_ | confirmed, no -a |
| 20:36.16 | _Manu_ | only laser is shorter, _laserAdVel is 20 |
| 20:36.34 | Grumbler | was the -AnnoyTS flag set? |
| 20:36.40 | ToughShooter | yeah, I remember how it was with the longer laser ;) |
| 20:36.46 | _Manu_ | well angle tolerance and position tolerance changes |
| 20:37.02 | ToughShooter | it's not only me, another player has also noticed it |
| 20:37.33 | _Manu_ | and what found different? your score? k |
| 20:38.23 | ToughShooter | sigh |
| 20:39.15 | _Manu_ | knowing the map is a big advantage, Viper has lots of tricks |
| 20:41.38 | ToughShooter | Viper is not like other maps, at other maps when I want a few points I just head directly to opponents and shoot them basically, when I try this at viper I go, spray my bullets and then I had hit a mate :/ |
| 20:42.05 | Grumbler | sounds like you need practice |
| 20:42.22 | ToughShooter | nah, I found out how I can get them |
| 20:42.36 | Grumbler | could just be lag differential between that server and the others |
| 20:42.55 | Grumbler | or even route |
| 20:42.57 | ToughShooter | the key is to move slowly and double check for spawning mates |
| 20:43.14 | _Manu_ | there are good and bad places |
| 20:43.22 | _Manu_ | also you must be quick |
| 20:43.23 | ToughShooter | hehe, the other servers I play on have around 220ms lag |
| 20:44.01 | ToughShooter | that's a nice diff to viper where I am below 60ms |
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| 20:45.09 | Grumbler | maybe if you played without ME on viper |
| 20:45.29 | _Manu_ | ME on viper is useless or almost useless |
| 20:45.56 | ToughShooter | I never use millennium edition :p |
| 20:46.02 | dujavi_ | I think I made a bad change to the configuration and now BZflag runs VERY slow |
| 20:46.24 | dujavi_ | Its like .2 frames a second |
| 20:46.41 | ToughShooter | but my mouse cursor is always heavily accelerated |
| 20:46.46 | dujavi_ | I tried uninstall and reinstall |
| 20:47.11 | _Manu_ | try to remove your config file |
| 20:47.16 | _Manu_ | mean bzflag config file |
| 20:47.19 | dujavi_ | Where is it |
| 20:47.27 | _Manu_ | what OS do you use? |
| 20:47.32 | dujavi_ | Win32 |
| 20:47.37 | dujavi_ | XP Pro |
| 20:47.51 | _Manu_ | oh.. sry I'm not a Win user :/ |
| 20:48.18 | dujavi_ | What is the name of it though, I can search for it |
| 20:48.37 | ToughShooter | config.cfg as far as I remember |
| 20:49.01 | _Manu_ | yes, it is |
| 20:49.28 | Grumbler | my documents -> my bzflag files |
| 20:49.44 | Grumbler | -> 2.0 |
| 20:49.52 | dujavi_ | THank you I found it |
| 20:49.58 | dujavi_ | So just delete it |
| 20:50.04 | Grumbler | yep |
| 20:50.09 | Grumbler | it will recreate it |
| 20:50.18 | ToughShooter | or rename it |
| 20:51.06 | dujavi_ | Now is very fast |
| 20:51.11 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 20:51.23 | _Manu_ | stop it or will crash in the walls |
| 20:51.37 | Grumbler | ~lart _Manu_ for being silly |
| 20:51.54 | dujavi_ | 55 fps |
| 20:52.01 | Grumbler | nice |
| 20:52.03 | _Manu_ | ~lart Grumbler for no humor sense |
| 20:52.03 | dujavi_ | Thank you |
| 20:52.13 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 20:52.39 | Grumbler | sry _Manu_, its the german in me :) |
| 20:52.54 | _Manu_ | oh.. then are you German? |
| 20:53.03 | Grumbler | nope, american |
| 20:53.14 | _Manu_ | US? |
| 20:53.20 | Grumbler | yep |
| 20:53.32 | Grumbler | with a >%60 blood connection |
| 20:53.32 | _Manu_ | like the flag? ;-p (mean US flag... kidding) |
| 20:53.40 | Grumbler | heh |
| 20:53.46 | Grumbler | thats why bush is president |
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| 20:54.35 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 20:59.11 | Grumbler | later |
| 21:03.17 | ToughShooter | Hmm, I tought after purchasing software I would know where I placed its box :/ |
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| 22:04.29 | Pimpinella | hmm, deleting almost 80000 outdated postings from one mailinglist takes longer than expected... |
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| 22:25.26 | SilentSwan | hmm... anyone here ever worked with eclipse? |
| 22:25.55 | SilentSwan | ah.. have you used the perl plugin? |
| 22:25.59 | SilentSwan | epic |
| 22:26.01 | Tupone | nope |
| 22:26.04 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 22:26.16 | SilentSwan | do you think this thing is actually worth bothering with? |
| 22:26.32 | SilentSwan | i've already seen some nice little bugs |
| 22:26.40 | Tupone | I found that very slow |
| 22:26.49 | SilentSwan | well, it's java. hah |
| 22:26.49 | Tupone | but I was on a cheap machine |
| 22:26.55 | bdotson | eclipse is much too bulky to do python dev in imho |
| 22:27.05 | SilentSwan | java makes $5000 machine feel like a 386 |
| 22:27.39 | SilentSwan | i'm curious how good(?) it's project management capabilities are... |
| 22:27.42 | bdotson | er, wrong chan |
| 22:27.46 | bdotson | thought i was in #python |
| 22:27.47 | bdotson | heh |
| 22:27.52 | SilentSwan | heh |
| 22:28.02 | SilentSwan | still relevant |
| 22:28.22 | bdotson | eclipse is a very good ide for java development |
| 22:28.32 | bdotson | but for anything else i've found that it's clunky |
| 22:28.51 | SilentSwan | *sigh* back to vi |
| 22:28.53 | bdotson | or rather, the people who write the plugins for other languages do a lousy job |
| 22:29.05 | SilentSwan | the fact that it's in java will be what kills it |
| 22:29.09 | Tupone | SilentSwan: I'd go with emacs :) |
| 22:29.27 | SilentSwan | uhh |
| 22:29.30 | SilentSwan | no thanks |
| 22:29.33 | Tupone | lol |
| 22:29.39 | SilentSwan | i used to use xemacs, i'm sorry to say |
| 22:29.53 | Tupone | I don't like xemacs |
| 22:29.59 | Tupone | I just go with emacs |
| 22:30.08 | SilentSwan | (((i) really don't) like emacs) (anyway) |
| 22:30.26 | JeffM2501 | kdev |
| 22:30.41 | bdotson | if you run linux, gedit is the best editor that i've used |
| 22:30.48 | SilentSwan | yeah, i've got kdev.. it's ok |
| 22:31.00 | BearPerson | gvim |
| 22:31.04 | SilentSwan | but.. it would be nicer if it had vi emulation hehe |
| 22:31.27 | SilentSwan | uh oh.. toolkit wars :) |
| 22:31.30 | JeffM2501 | kdev isn't gtk :) |
| 22:31.36 | JeffM2501 | anjunta is ok too |
| 22:32.02 | JeffM2501 | run visual studio in wine :0 |
| 22:32.15 | bdotson | that's possibly the only thing that will run slower than eclipse |
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| 22:33.58 | SilentSwan | hah - eclipse+epic... internal errors - editor could not be initialized. |
| 22:34.04 | SilentSwan | rm -rf eclipse |
| 22:34.28 | SilentSwan | that's all i need to see |
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| 22:39.31 | SportChick | global authentication isn't working |
| 22:46.07 | brad2901 | ~bzflist |
| 22:47.55 | TD-Linux | the bb is going at a crawl |
| 22:48.02 | TD-Linux | so is the serverlist |
| 22:48.17 | TD-Linux | but it eventually will load |
| 22:48.54 | TD-Linux | global login was instant for me |
| 22:49.29 | brad2901 | m.b.o is fine again aswell |
| 22:49.42 | JeffM2501 | it just gets busy some times |
| 22:49.45 | JeffM2501 | you can thank SP for that |
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| 23:29.16 | Thumper_ | cd |
| 23:30.25 | Pimpinella | ~riker |
