irclog2html for #bzflag on 20051114

`00:00.39`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: perhaps DoS attack?`
`00:00.47`	`shorty114`	`but running it, it says no fonts found`
`00:01.27`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, no`
`00:01.32`	`JeffM2501`	`it is just very busy`
`00:01.36`	`JeffM2501`	`the server does many things`
`00:04.09`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: like?`
`00:04.35`	`JeffM2501`	`bzbb, list server, image hosting, and secretplace`
`00:04.45`	`Ice_Wewe`	`oh really?`
`00:04.49`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`00:04.49`	`Ice_Wewe`	`it does secretplace?`
`00:04.52`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`00:04.53`	`JeffM2501`	`same machine`
`00:04.54`	`Ice_Wewe`	`cool.`
`00:04.57`	`JeffM2501`	`nid dontated it to us`
`00:05.02`	`JeffM2501`	`so it does a lot`
`00:05.03`	`Ice_Wewe`	`*nix? or Windows?`
`00:05.07`	`JeffM2501`	`linux`
`00:05.09`	`JeffM2501`	`debina`
`00:05.13`	`JeffM2501`	`at a datacenter`
`00:05.14`	`Ice_Wewe`	`sweet.... drool`
`00:05.17`	`Ice_Wewe`	`cool`
`00:05.27`	`Ice_Wewe`	`what is nid?`
`00:05.37`	`JeffM2501`	`actualy I think we need to move my.bo and list to another server soon`
`00:05.46`	`JeffM2501`	`nidhoggr is a person`
`00:06.00`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ahh, I see`
`00:06.12`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I thought he might be a humanly bot... (lol)`
`00:06.26`	`Ice_Wewe`	`hehe`
`00:06.29`	`Ice_Wewe`	`bbl`
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`00:11.07`	`cods`	`weird, while auth server is down, I'm attacked at the same time on my webserver (distributed attack) on my phpbb..`
`00:11.32`	`cods`	`maybe lot of PHPBB are currently attacked`
`00:11.44`	`RPG_`	`cods: what version PHPBB?`
`00:12.08`	`cods`	`latest for me (2.0.18). For bzflag, I don't know.`
`00:12.58`	`cods`	`I'm under the impression that distributed attack are in progress on lot of PHPBB (just a supposition, I can only speak for mine)`
`00:13.12`	`cods`	`i'm probably paranoid :)`
`00:13.12`	`RPG_`	`cods: was yours pretty public?`
`00:13.34`	`JeffM2501`	`why would it be limited to phpbbs?`
`00:13.35`	`cods`	`it's referenced a "lot" on google`
`00:13.42`	`JeffM2501`	`there isn't like a link between them`
`00:13.46`	`JeffM2501`	`or a centeral list of them`
`00:13.52`	`cods`	`-> google`
`00:13.56`	`RPG_`	`cods: what did you search for on google?`
`00:13.59`	`cods`	`Google can provide a pretty good list`
`00:14.00`	`JeffM2501`	`then that is all sites`
`00:14.02`	`cods`	`that system use`
`00:14.05`	`JeffM2501`	`not just phpbb`
`00:14.14`	`cods`	`no..`
`00:14.15`	`cods`	`I mean`
`00:14.25`	`cods`	`this attack could try to hack only PHPBB system`
`00:14.32`	`cods`	`which can be found using Google for example`
`00:14.49`	`JeffM2501`	`most of our connections are at the list server`
`00:14.51`	`RPG_`	`what would you search for, though?`
`00:14.53`	`JeffM2501`	`not hthe bb`
`00:14.57`	`RPG_`	`listserver is down, too`
`00:15.05`	`JeffM2501`	`it's the same machine :)`
`00:15.07`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not down`
`00:15.12`	`JeffM2501`	`it's just realy realy slow`
`00:15.23`	`RPG_`	`oh, i suppose it's not :)`
`00:15.25`	`RPG_`	`2 mins ago it was`
`00:15.34`	`JeffM2501`	`again, no it's just fill`
`00:15.36`	`JeffM2501`	`full`
`00:15.46`	`cods`	`I was just comparing both events, and since I never saw that (distributed attack on phpbb on my own server)`
`00:15.47`	`RPG_`	`there's a connection limit?`
`00:15.57`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`00:16.03`	`JeffM2501`	`like all web servers have`
`00:16.08`	`cods`	`I was supposing that maybe it's distributed attack on server phpbb server.`
`00:16.18`	`cods`	`s/server/several/`
`00:16.20`	`JeffM2501`	`'there are also bandwith limits`
`00:16.31`	`RPG_`	`isn't it hosted by a BZFlag player?`
`00:16.36`	`RPG_`	`that does it for... free?`
`00:16.42`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`00:16.44`	`JeffM2501`	`nid`
`00:16.48`	`JeffM2501`	`we need to move it soon`
`00:17.34`	`RPG_`	`nid going broke?`
`00:17.54`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`00:19.33`	`trepan`	`he need not be going broke to decide to cease financially supporting an open-source game`
`00:21.05`	`cods`	`weird, attack stopped on my webserver.. and.. bzflag auth work again since some minute (that seems to confirm what I was supposing)`
`00:22.21`	`JeffM2501`	`this is true`
`00:22.40`	`JeffM2501`	`could be some asshat hitting bzflag sites :)`
`00:23.02`	`JeffM2501`	`I realy think we should see if learner would host the list server and forums`
`00:23.07`	`JeffM2501`	`and move em`
`00:24.31`	`JeffM2501`	`but that is our fearless leader's call`
`00:24.48`	`RPG_`	`how did he become leader anyways?`
`00:25.21`	`JeffM2501`	`crs turned copyright and maintership over to him when he didn't want it anymore`
`00:25.59`	`Chestal`	`my code is not subject to any US copyright anyway :-)`
`00:26.21`	`JeffM2501`	`IIRC copyright was turned over BEFORE it was open sources`
`00:26.52`	`Chestal`	`legally, it's all a big blur`
`00:27.36`	`JeffM2501`	`IIRC all your code is GPL at least, so the copyright is on the name, not so much the code`
`00:27.54`	`Chestal`	`there is no copyright in Europe (except for GB)`
`00:28.04`	`Chestal`	`all rights aty with the author`
`00:28.07`	`Chestal`	`stay`
`00:28.08`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: copyright still has meaning`
`00:28.12`	`Chestal`	`its not transferable`
`00:28.44`	`JeffM2501`	`well whatever`
`00:28.57`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't belive I could make a new game and call it bzflag`
`00:29.00`	`Chestal`	`all the intellectual property stuff is a big mess`
`00:29.02`	`JeffM2501`	`with out some reprocussions`
`00:30.21`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: actually, i believe you could. no trademark on the name`
`00:30.32`	`JeffM2501`	`don't temp me :)`
`00:30.37`	`purple_cow`	`but it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to do so ;)`
`00:30.42`	`purple_cow`	`why would you want bzflag's name? ;)`
`00:30.53`	`JeffM2501`	`there would only be one reason`
`00:31.00`	`JeffM2501`	`to piss peoples off :)`
`00:31.04`	`RPG_`	`why would WinXP want Silvercat's name?`
`00:31.15`	`JeffM2501`	`he dosn't have it`
`00:31.20`	`JeffM2501`	`he has some solarcat name`
`00:31.26`	`JeffM2501`	`because he can't think of any origonal ideas`
`00:31.27`	`RPG_`	`in my eyes, they're too close for comfort`
`00:31.30`	`JeffM2501`	`just like Ice_Wewe`
`00:31.39`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, and hepcat isn't?`
`00:31.46`	`RPG_`	`huh?`
`00:31.52`	`JeffM2501`	`you will allways have imitators`
`00:31.59`	`RPG_`	`Silvercat and Solarcat sound like direct rip-offs of each other`
`00:32.11`	`orange`	`silvercat was a nod to the original hepcat, since cosmos asked us to stop using that name`
`00:32.19`	`orange`	`and since silverfox was hosting it :-)`
`00:33.24`	`JeffM2501`	`who cares what he names his server`
`00:33.33`	`JeffM2501`	`everyone will know he's unorigonal`
`00:34.10`	`orange`	`but yeah, people will know the difference`
`00:36.09`	`JeffM2501`	`the simple answer is, tim is maintainer because tim is maintainer :)`
`00:36.18`	`JeffM2501`	`at the time crs stoped tim was very active in development`
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`00:46.19`	`I_Died_Once`	`...`
`00:46.40`	`RPG_`	`I_Died_Once: don't you live in svanah, georgia?`
`00:49.39`	`Ice_Wewe`	`"JeffM2501 just like Ice_Wewe " Ahh, I see we are still a little touchy on that matter... I told you I'd stop, and I have`
`00:49.54`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: Therefore, I see no reason to continue with it`
`00:50.16`	`RPG_`	`Ice_Wewe: you still leave a bad taste in all our mouthes`
`00:50.31`	`Ice_Wewe`	`RPG_: what? from what I did, or was it my nick?`
`00:50.42`	`RPG_`	`nobody likes a sig theif :)`
`00:50.56`	`JeffM2501`	`you said you'd stop, fine`
`00:50.56`	`JeffM2501`	`I never said I'd change my option of you`
`00:51.01`	`Ice_Wewe`	`RPG_: Yes, I am aware of that, which is one of the reasons for me stopping that`
`00:51.18`	`RPG_`	`i have options, financial options!`
`00:51.19`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: yes, that is true.`
`00:51.36`	`Ice_Wewe`	`RPG_: as do I. (That was REALLY random)`
`00:51.57`	`JeffM2501`	`I have not seen any actions on your part that would make me belive you have changed`
`00:52.22`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: well, for one thing, you switched your sig pic to the old one, and I have not changed it, as I still have a copy`
`00:52.46`	`JeffM2501`	`you not doing something isn't the same as you doing something :)`
`00:53.01`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: If you don't mind, I was thinking that (without your name, with BZFLAG in its place) perhaps that could become the new BZFlag menu logo. It's not really an eye catcher right now.`
`00:53.20`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: ok, now you're just having fun confusing me...`
`00:53.42`	`Ice_Wewe`	`(The current menu logo that is)`
`00:53.46`	`JeffM2501`	`the menu log is the mneu logo`
`00:53.54`	`Ice_Wewe`	`meh, I've changed mine`
`00:53.55`	`JeffM2501`	`my sig would not make a good one`
`00:54.01`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah, nice space stuff`
`00:54.08`	`JeffM2501`	`kinda looks like the one I changed too`
`00:54.11`	`Ice_Wewe`	`its NOT space!`
`00:54.18`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Why does everyone say that?`
`00:54.23`	`RPG_`	`because it is`
`00:54.26`	`JeffM2501`	`because that's that it looks like`
`00:54.27`	`Ice_Wewe`	`It is Europe from space at night`
`00:54.48`	`Ice_Wewe`	`RPG_: look, you wanna see the original screen picutre? I can gaurntee you that isn't stars`
`00:54.48`	`JeffM2501`	`there is nothing that makes it obvious`
`00:54.52`	`JeffM2501`	`it's points of light on black`
`00:56.39`	`JeffM2501`	`if you have to "prove" to people what it is, then the image dosnt' stand on it's own enough`
`00:56.52`	`Ice_Wewe`	`right....`
`00:56.56`	`Ice_Wewe`	`maybe I should change`
`00:57.05`	`Ice_Wewe`	`are animated gif images supported?`
`00:57.14`	`JeffM2501`	`techincaly yes`
`00:57.25`	`RPG_`	`Look, my sigpic is of a cow!`
`00:57.25`	`RPG_`	`http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:kqzxlyWzGrkJ:www.3drt.com/3dm/s-car01/s-car-2-04.jpg`
`00:57.28`	`Ice_Wewe`	`'techincaly' (and that means?)`
`00:57.28`	`JeffM2501`	`but if it is anoyingly animated it will be removed`
`00:57.32`	`RPG_`	`I kid you not, that's a cow!`
`00:57.35`	`JeffM2501`	`they are never done well`
`00:57.39`	`JeffM2501`	`and often anoying`
`00:58.39`	`Ice_Wewe`	`http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/2285/picture1cropped1aw.png`
`00:58.41`	`Ice_Wewe`	`there`
`00:58.52`	`Ice_Wewe`	`that is the original, scaled by 50% so imageshack would accept it`
`00:58.59`	`JeffM2501`	`umm ok`
`00:59.03`	`I_Died_Once`	`holy crap`
`00:59.04`	`RPG_`	`and NOT REGISTERED.`
`00:59.05`	`Ice_Wewe`	`:P now prove to me that that isn't Europe`
`00:59.12`	`Ice_Wewe`	`RPG_: I know, I am trying it`
`00:59.12`	`I_Died_Once`	`you guys need to see what Delusion put together`
`00:59.13`	`RPG_`	`Use the earth portion of it, it's better`
`00:59.26`	`Ice_Wewe`	`RPG_: what Earth Portion?`
`00:59.34`	`shorty114`	`anybody heard of "snoopy"`
`00:59.35`	`RPG_`	`the "daytime" portion of tha tpicture`
`00:59.36`	`Ice_Wewe`	`RPG_: oh right, that!`
`00:59.37`	`shorty114`	`?`
`00:59.44`	`RPG_`	`snoopy was my idol!`
`00:59.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`RPG_: got it`
`00:59.52`	`I_Died_Once`	`everyone, check out the "MoFo PretZel Logic" game on the server list`
`01:00.06`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: Actually I was thinking of making an animated gif of that which I have now going from dark to day...`
`01:00.08`	`Ice_Wewe`	`bbl`
`01:01.01`	`JeffM2501`	`sounds lame`
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`01:02.31`	`trepan`	`I_Died_Once: not really worth getting worked up about`
`01:03.22`	`trepan`	`some might even refer to it as an eyesore`
`01:04.16`	`purple_cow`	`Ice_Wewe: "background" animations are only OK if they're extremely subtle`
`01:04.29`	`purple_cow`	`otherwise all they are is visual noise`
`01:04.57`	`JeffM2501`	`to me it seems like he wants his sig to just be "cooler" then others, not to say something about him`
`01:05.14`	`JeffM2501`	`or to be a representitive image`
`01:06.03`	`trepan`	`Ice_Wewe: make a yellow ice castle, put smurfs in it, make the smurfs look stupid, there ya go`
`01:11.16`	`RPG_`	`~spell baned`
`01:11.24`	`RPG_`	`~spell banned`
`01:12.07`	`shorty114`	`i mean Snoopy the player`
`01:12.13`	`shorty114`	`his GM doesn't give you lock warnings`
`01:12.13`	`RPG_`	`oh no`
`01:12.25`	`shorty114`	`and i think he has unlimited shots on flags that have limited shots`
`01:12.41`	`RPG_`	`ban him then`
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`01:16.36`	`RPG_`	`ban him then`
`01:18.09`	`shorty114`	`me?`
`01:18.16`	`shorty114`	`nvm`
`02:04.51`	`RPG_`	`are the " and ' characters allowed in BZ callsigns?`
`02:07.37`	`shorty114`	`RPG_: try it`
`02:07.57`	`*** join/#bzflag LouMan (n=42bc3c6b@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
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`02:09.57`	`kc9foh`	`hello`
`02:10.10`	`RPG_`	`hi`
`02:10.18`	`orange`	`hi kc9foh`
`02:22.11`	`RPG_`	`~seen A-Delusion`
`02:22.14`	`ibot`	`a-delusion <n=a-delusi@pool-141-158-105-195.pitt.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 79d 23h 42m 27s ago, saying: 'goodnite learner, '.`
`02:22.19`	`LouMan`	`any chance of someone compiling a windows app of the latest bzflag build for me? ;)`
`02:22.23`	`RPG_`	`ooh`
`02:22.28`	`RPG_`	`LouMan: sure`
`02:22.34`	`LouMan`	`:) :)`
`02:22.35`	`RPG_`	`2.0 or 2.1?`
`02:23.08`	`LouMan`	`you will compile from latest source?`
`02:23.10`	`RPG_`	`2.1 is easier`
`02:23.18`	`RPG_`	`that'd be 2.1`
`02:23.45`	`LouMan`	`trepan added a zoneflag feature that i want to play with - not in released version yet`
`02:24.09`	`RPG_`	`lemme check what branch he did that in`
`02:25.11`	`trepan`	`LouMan: just mod'ed the map for it, quite easy`
`02:25.22`	`RPG_`	`ahh crap it's in 2_0`
`02:25.36`	`LouMan`	`how do you pm in here? - sorry ;)`
`02:25.54`	`RPG_`	`/msg RPG_ hi`
`02:26.00`	`LouMan`	`thanks`
`02:28.22`	`RPG_`	`here it goes`
`02:29.06`	`LouMan`	`i totally appreciate the effort - how would i retreive if it works?`
`02:29.18`	`trepan`	`http://trepan.homelinux.net/laser.diff.txt`
`02:29.28`	`RPG_`	`retreive?`
`02:29.50`	`RPG_`	`~logs`
`02:29.51`	`ibot`	`logs is probably http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz`
`02:30.07`	`LouMan`	`are u trying a compile for me?`
`02:30.22`	`LouMan`	`thanks trepan - it does look easy`
`02:30.42`	`RPG_`	`yep`
`02:30.48`	`RPG_`	`i'm doing 2.0.5, win32`
`02:30.51`	`trepan`	`no more resets required`
`02:31.03`	`LouMan`	`big smile - thanks so much`
`02:31.17`	`RPG_`	`:D`
`02:31.46`	`LouMan`	`has this already been started at louman.bzflag.bz?`
`02:31.57`	`LouMan`	`(laser mania)`
`02:32.21`	`trepan`	`about to do that, making -cacheout, etc...`
`02:32.26`	`trepan`	`connection is slow for some reason`
`02:32.37`	`LouMan`	`yes - i had same problem`
`02:33.24`	`RPG_`	`LouMan: preferred method of file transfer?`
`02:33.38`	`RPG_`	`1.11MB`
`02:33.46`	`RPG_`	`or...`
`02:33.59`	`RPG_`	`http://garrettp.homeip.net/bzflag.zip`
`02:36.22`	`LouMan`	`thanks RPG - got it`
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`02:38.32`	`trepan`	`LouMan: R5 now running, map seems ok, connection still laggy/lossy`
`02:39.34`	`Ice_Wewe`	`>LouMan< is it ok for me to use your tree and burning tank code in one of my maps? You'll get proper credit.`
`02:40.06`	`LouMan`	`yes, no problem`
`02:40.11`	`RPG_`	`Is Ice_Wewe stupid or just asking too many questions? 29.3% lines contained a question!`
`02:40.15`	`LouMan`	`thanks trepan!`
`02:40.15`	`RPG_`	`http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz`
`02:40.44`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Thx LouMan.`
`02:40.48`	`Ice_Wewe`	`RPG_: I resent that!`
`02:40.52`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Good night all`
`02:40.58`	`RPG_`	`Ice_Wewe: look at the stats`
`02:41.08`	`Ice_Wewe`	`stats?`
`02:41.15`	`RPG_`	`http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz`
`02:41.23`	`Ice_Wewe`	`thx`
`02:41.25`	`Ice_Wewe`	`gnite`
`02:50.44`	`LouMan`	`'nite all - thanks for the help!`
`02:50.48`	`RPG_`	`cay`
`02:50.49`	`RPG_`	`cya`
`02:50.54`	`*** part/#bzflag LouMan (n=42bc3c6b@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`02:53.21`	`*** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
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`03:15.48`	`SilentSwan`	`sigh i see undernet is living up to its usual standards again...`
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`03:35.33`	`SilentSwan`	`SilentSwan's words of .. um... wisdom: "The only thing better than falling in love is falling in love with someone who likes Indian food."`
`03:36.01`	`Aribeth`	`heh`
`03:36.27`	`Aribeth`	`indian food is goooood!`
`03:37.27`	`SilentSwan`	`burp couldn't agree more`
`03:40.01`	`purple_cow`	`SilentSwan: even better, falling in love with someone who -cooks- indian food`
`03:40.14`	`SilentSwan`	`well...`
`03:40.21`	`SilentSwan`	`then my house would smell like curry all the time`
`03:40.41`	`SilentSwan`	`indian food is perhaps best enjoyed away from home :)`
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`05:07.30`	`SilentSwan`	`brlcad: still having network issues?`
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`05:38.17`	`brlcad`	`yes, but it should be mostly intermittent`
`05:38.58`	`brlcad`	`packet loss will probably make bzfs servers unplayable, but you should be able to get in and move around`
`05:41.42`	`trepan`	`brlcad: know the cause?`
`05:42.10`	`brlcad`	`trepan: yes, on-going network maintenance under progress today`
`05:42.45`	`brlcad`	`scheduled maintenance, going a little longer than expected but .. that's to be expected ;)`
`05:43.34`	`brlcad`	`shouldn't be much longer`
`05:45.55`	`SilentSwan`	`no worries for me, was just wondering what happened... i'm assuming someone spilled beer in a core router someplace :)`
`05:47.13`	`brlcad`	`heh, no .. router core upgrades, new networking equipment, and BGP peer maintenance`
`05:47.23`	`brlcad`	`i suspect it's the latter two taking so long`
`05:47.55`	`SilentSwan`	`ah... sorry, i'm just used to dealing with SBC outages.. in which case, i'm sure beer does factor in...`
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`07:54.32`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 4 dirs):`
`07:54.32`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: - quote callsigns when auto-completing`
`07:54.33`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: - list possible matches when a full auto-complete match isn't made`
`07:55.36`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: make /clientquery accept quoted callsigns`
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`08:11.56`	`durt`	`so with 2.1.3 i cant play on 2.0.x servers?`
`08:16.27`	`Pimpi`	`durt: no, the protocol has changed`
`08:17.07`	`durt`	`any particular reason that happened?`
`08:18.03`	`Pimpi`	`sure, the protocol sucked at some points`
`08:18.43`	`Pimpi`	`or changes within the code made protocol chnges neccessary`
`08:19.28`	`Pimpi`	`2.1 is no user branch, it's used for development of the upcoming (stable) 2.2 series`
`08:20.00`	`durt`	`ok, ill go back to 2.0.4`
`08:20.09`	`Pimpi`	`so 2.1 isn't even compatible within itself`
`08:21.09`	`Pimpi`	`durt: if you want the latest stuff you can checkout the v2_0branch`
`08:22.55`	`durt`	`ok thanks`
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`09:18.05`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (ControlPanel.h ControlPanel.cxx ComposeDefaultKey.cxx):`
`09:18.05`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: - added MessageAllTabs and MessageCurrent modes for addMessage()`
`09:18.05`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: (the enums should be public, but i'm not the one to fix it).`
`09:18.05`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: might also be nice to be able to add to a single tab without`
`09:18.05`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: having the message go into the "All" tab ("Main" tab? ;-)`
`09:18.07`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: - used MessageCurrent mode for the auto-complete display`
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`09:40.13`	`\|aspirin\|`	`iam in the web page now`
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`09:40.31`	`\|aspirin\|`	`from were do i get the downlod web`
`09:40.50`	`\|aspirin\|`	`can anybody help me plz`
`09:41.53`	`trepan`	`explain "get the downlod web"`
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`10:01.28`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/CursesUI.cxx: add display of auto-complete matches for bzadmin`
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`10:41.35`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/ (bzadmin/CursesUI.cxx common/AutoCompleter.cxx): more space junk`
`11:11.52`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/common/AutoCompleter.cxx: add a hack to allow auto-complete to work with old-style /clientquery`
`11:16.45`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/common/AutoCompleter.cxx: hack cleansing`
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`11:35.49`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ohhh bzflag updates! drool`
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`13:25.37`	`Tupone`	`learner, ping ....`
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`13:26.00`	`Tupone`	`DTRemenak, are you awake ?`
`13:26.13`	`Tox`	`Im awake ^_^`
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`13:26.31`	`Tupone`	`Jessica ?`
`13:26.40`	`Tox`	`yea?`
`13:26.44`	`Tupone`	`brlcad ping`
`13:26.51`	`brlcad`	`Tupone: pong`
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`13:28.54`	`Jess`	`i wana be an op!!!!! ^_^`
`13:29.25`	`brlcad`	`Jess: shh`
`13:29.27`	`Tupone`	`Jess, why you want it ?`
`13:29.57`	`brlcad`	`not so loud, I get grumpy in the morning with loud people around`
`13:30.19`	`Jess`	`lol`
`13:31.00`	`Jess`	`SORRY!!!!!!!`
`13:31.04`	`Jess`	`>.>`
`13:31.08`	`Jess`	`<.<`
`13:32.41`	`Jess`	`all these ppl in here an its really quiet.....`
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`15:19.34`	`CBG`	`Is there any way to retrieve what was said on a server after you quit bzflag?`
`15:20.48`	`eXtreme`	`ask teh server owner? :)`
`15:22.13`	`jpa-`	`if the server owner has logs, then yes`
`15:22.22`	`jpa-`	`and you could ask the others that were there :)`
`15:23.15`	`eXtreme`	`CBG: what server was this on?`
`15:23.27`	`CBG`	`dub.`
`15:23.32`	`CBG`	`so; no...`
`15:23.39`	`CBG`	`and it was a PM I want.`
`15:23.56`	`CBG`	`snick called me a bastard or an asshole, or something. I was trying to remember the actual word he used.`
`15:25.40`	`eXtreme`	`does it matter?`
`15:26.17`	`CBG`	`Not a lot, I was just trying to remember it.`
`15:36.04`	`orange`	`trepan has been b<TAB>usy :-)`
`15:36.27`	`CBG`	`o_o`
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`15:42.27`	`brlcad`	`trepan has been "brlcad" ? that don't seem right :)`
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`15:42.37`	`orange`	`lol`
`15:43.00`	`orange`	`busy left before you showed up`
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`15:43.03`	`CBG`	`I still don't know why orange is green... :/`
`15:43.30`	`brlcad`	`because green is already orange, duh`
`15:43.44`	`CBG`	`hmm... =\|`
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`15:46.35`	`CBG`	`grumbles`
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`16:47.07`	`Thumper_`	`Is it possible to have a zone that causes a player to drop their flag?`
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`16:49.19`	`bz3573`	`kan iemand mij helpen`
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`17:31.01`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/common/AutoCompleter.cxx: hack on hack`
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`17:49.42`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: BZBB contains has unique identifier for each account, regardless of their current nick?`
`17:52.01`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, yes there is a userID`
`17:52.06`	`JeffM2501`	`it stays the same even thru name changes`
`17:52.27`	`orange`	`is this about my question in bzbb trepan?`
`17:52.31`	`trepan`	`yup`
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`17:53.05`	`trepan`	`would need add another TOK: type message to relay the id info (to be backwards compatible)`
`17:53.27`	`JeffM2501`	`I had sugested we use that in game, but fearless didn't get it`
`17:53.39`	`orange`	`trepan: might be easier to attack this on the bzbb side, and have un-leavable groups`
`17:54.17`	`SportChick`	`TimRiker: ping`
`17:54.20`	`trepan`	`orange: should have access to the unique ids at the servers regardless`
`17:54.33`	`orange`	`trepan: yeah, true`
`17:54.41`	`JeffM2501`	`like your userID orange is 345`
`17:54.50`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm 48`
`17:55.09`	`trepan`	`spry for 48`
`17:55.49`	`orange`	`hehe`
`17:58.35`	`JeffM2501`	`dude your 160 :)_`
`17:59.31`	`Thumper_`	`Is it possible to have a zone that causes a player to drop their flag?`
`17:59.46`	`Thumper_`	`Could this be done with named zones, adding the zone enter plugin event`
`17:59.57`	`trepan`	`Thumper_: yup, but it would have to be a phydrv contact`
`17:59.59`	`Thumper_`	`and having the plugin check the name on enter and do a /flag drop fro that player?`
`18:00.20`	`Thumper_`	`there's a phydrv for dropping flags?`
`18:00.23`	`Thumper_`	`must have missed that`
`18:00.36`	`trepan`	`Thumper_: at least to do it easily/ somewhat reliably`
`18:00.55`	`Thumper_`	`ok - I'd like to try that`
`18:00.59`	`trepan`	`Thumper_: no, there is no such phydrv, but it could be added (and only required on server side)`
`18:01.06`	`Thumper_`	`ok`
`18:01.27`	`Thumper_`	`that would be much easier than the plugin thing I just described`
`18:01.28`	`Thumper_`	`:)`
`18:01.31`	`trepan`	`orange: would also need to change the banfile format a little, IP\|host:\|userid:, or a combination of them`
`18:02.00`	`JeffM2501`	`Thumper_, plugins can't check zone entry yet`
`18:02.10`	`Thumper_`	`JeffM2501: yes I know it's not implemented yet`
`18:02.15`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: at 160, guess i should be just happy to be animated`
`18:02.37`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`18:03.37`	`TimRiker`	`SportChick: pong`
`18:05.15`	`trepan`	`Thumper_: the reliable way to do it is to use teleporters (TCP)`
`18:05.32`	`trepan`	`PlayerUpdate packets are UDP`
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`18:29.18`	`trepan`	`if someone would add 'print ("DBID: $dbid $callsign");' to bzfls.php (after TOKGOOD), i'll take a look into getting the bans setup`
`18:31.03`	`trepan`	`or USERID:, whatever is preferred`
`18:40.47`	`orange`	`trepan: may be time to look at a totally new command to handle bans, because there is a whole host of possibilities`
`18:41.24`	`orange`	`ban ip, hostname, callsign, and/or userid by callsign, slot, or explicit value`
`18:42.38`	`trepan`	`it breaks down into ip, hostaddr, and userid`
`18:43.01`	`trepan`	`was just planning to add /idban, /idunban`
`18:43.17`	`orange`	`ah, cool`
`18:43.31`	`trepan`	`but have the general /ban <player> generate the ip, hostaddr, and id bans`
`18:43.48`	`orange`	`hmmm, all three?`
`18:43.51`	`trepan`	`why not?`
`18:44.21`	`orange`	`well, you may have more than one player on an IP, and only want to ban one by id`
`18:44.29`	`orange`	`... idban, yeah`
`18:44.47`	`trepan`	`heh, /allban for that option then :)`
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`18:45.00`	`orange`	`you might want to add ipban to replace ban`
`18:45.35`	`orange`	`and add /bigban to do all at once... then someone could say "I've been bigband"`
`18:45.49`	`orange`	`and then deprecate ban (that's what I was thinking originally)`
`18:46.10`	`trepan`	`for the current env, /ban still needs to generate ip bans`
`18:46.48`	`orange`	`would be nice to have explicity ipban too, though, and let ban warn that you should use the new interface, and explain the existence of other options`
`18:46.55`	`orange`	`*explicit`
`18:47.05`	`orange`	`while still working, of course`
`18:47.31`	`trepan`	`for 2.0.x, the /ban command should remain basically the same`
`18:50.05`	`orange`	`with /idban it'd be nice if the comments automatically included the callsign that was in use at the time of ban`
`18:50.14`	`trepan`	`same with /ban`
`18:50.19`	`trepan`	`had planned to do that`
`18:50.21`	`orange`	`yeah`
`18:50.48`	`orange`	`and the showips stuff would be nice to show the id of registered users who join, along with their ip addresses`
`18:50.55`	`orange`	`so if someone leaves you can still ban them by id by looking up in history`
`18:51.17`	`orange`	`show id of registered users who join and leave, that is`
`18:51.22`	`trepan`	`but before any of that, need the bzfls.php mod :)`
`18:51.59`	`orange`	`if so, I can badger him when I see him :-)`
`18:53.34`	`gsnedders`	`i know PHP..`
`18:53.49`	`JeffM2501`	`meno would yes`
`18:53.52`	`JeffM2501`	`tupone also`
`18:54.00`	`JeffM2501`	`tim optimal`
`18:54.07`	`JeffM2501`	`those 3 can change live code`
`18:54.50`	`JeffM2501`	`dtr and brlcad can change live code too`
`18:54.58`	`JeffM2501`	`dono there php familiarity tho`
`18:55.19`	`JeffM2501`	`and there you have it`
`18:55.24`	`trepan`	`just did some mods to ListServerConnection.cxx, looks like it won't balk on new entry types`
`18:55.34`	`gsnedders`	`bzlist.php doesn't work under E_ALL... I meant to get round to fixing it and submitting a patch`
`18:55.36`	`DTRemenak`	`I can deal with it if I have to, but I really dislike it`
`18:55.38`	`gsnedders`	`but I'm too lazy`
`18:55.57`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, so you are making it able to ban by ID`
`18:56.16`	`trepan`	`yup`
`18:56.16`	`DTRemenak`	`trepan: it handles new id types fine. added NOTICE earlier in the 2.0.5 cycle.`
`18:56.18`	`JeffM2501`	`good`
`18:56.42`	`JeffM2501`	`it was sugested a long while ago during the "alias" talks, but wasn't understood by the powers that bee`
`18:56.51`	`trepan`	`NOTICE? near the TOKGOOD, etc... entries?`
`18:56.55`	`Chestal`	`trepan: what is this special rule for /clientquery?`
`18:57.05`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: TPTB added them to the TODO`
`18:57.13`	`trepan`	`Chestal: /clientquery "john doe" doesn't work`
`18:57.15`	`DTRemenak`	`trepan: err, client side`
`18:57.17`	`JeffM2501`	`good`
`18:57.23`	`trepan`	`Chestal: didn't work, i also fixed taht`
`18:57.30`	`Chestal`	`trepan: ah, didn't even now that it accepts a callsgn`
`18:57.46`	`DTRemenak`	`server side uses similar logic iirc`
`18:58.19`	`_Manu_`	`trepan, doesn't work? the las time I did it, worked :/`
`18:58.38`	`trepan`	`_Manu_: with quotes?`
`18:58.46`	`_Manu_`	`probably no.. :)`
`18:58.47`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak I think we should realy start looking at moving the list server and fourms to another server`
`18:58.56`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe even spliting forums and list`
`18:59.17`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: I'd much rather see it reworked a bit so it could be distributed`
`18:59.20`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`18:59.21`	`_Manu_`	`I think clientquery must use players/slot stuff`
`18:59.24`	`_Manu_`	`like other commands`
`18:59.30`	`DTRemenak`	`rather than just continually moving it`
`18:59.36`	`JeffM2501`	`but for an imediate thing, the current system is getting HAMMERD`
`18:59.36`	`trepan`	`_Manu_: reasonable, go for it`
`18:59.37`	`JeffM2501`	`hard`
`18:59.44`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: why?`
`18:59.52`	`DTRemenak`	`# of DB queries?`
`18:59.57`	`JeffM2501`	`we run out of connections a couple times a week`
`18:59.57`	`DTRemenak`	`or connections?`
`18:59.58`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`18:59.59`	`JeffM2501`	`both`
`19:00.03`	`trepan`	`_Manu_: i personally hate doing player id xref'ing, that's why i made the recent auto-completer mods`
`19:00.03`	`JeffM2501`	`I've seen both hit max`
`19:00.07`	`_Manu_`	`trepan, I'll do and also others commands`
`19:00.07`	`DTRemenak`	`queries can be cut down on`
`19:00.09`	`JeffM2501`	`I've also seen it flood it's pipe`
`19:00.13`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`19:00.15`	`JeffM2501`	`since it's also SP`
`19:00.18`	`JeffM2501`	`and image hosting`
`19:00.19`	`DTRemenak`	`that must be fun for the SP folks`
`19:00.24`	`_Manu_`	`trepan, yes, but Id is fast and easy..`
`19:00.31`	`JeffM2501`	`that's why I'm thinking we should move it`
`19:00.36`	`JeffM2501`	`take the load off nid`
`19:00.40`	`DTRemenak`	`i.b.o could be moved easily. more easily than the db and list server and all.`
`19:00.42`	`JeffM2501`	`givin his situation`
`19:00.42`	`trepan`	`_Manu_: and prone to mistakes`
`19:00.44`	`_Manu_`	`trepan: is like sports teams.. every player has a number ;)`
`19:01.01`	`_Manu_`	`well yes if not pay attention :)`
`19:01.10`	`*** join/#bzflag SilentSwan (n=silent@unaffiliated/silentswan)`
`19:01.13`	`JeffM2501`	`well we know he's not going to be able to host it forever`
`19:01.16`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah`
`19:01.20`	`JeffM2501`	`so it may be good to preempt it`
`19:01.27`	`_Manu_`	`trepan, only left the number in the tank plate.. heh`
`19:01.36`	`DTRemenak`	`best would be to make it not rely on any one server always being up though`
`19:01.43`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`19:01.54`	`JeffM2501`	`it'd be nice to have like a userdb ring the forum can pull from`
`19:02.00`	`JeffM2501`	`same for list servers`
`19:02.05`	`_Manu_`	`trepan, but I agree.. autocompletion is a big thing`
`19:02.21`	`trepan`	`_Manu_: it's much better now, for admin'ing at least :)`
`19:02.50`	`_Manu_`	`beter is to click player and command.. heh. :)`
`19:02.55`	`trepan`	`... never should have allowed spaces in names`
`19:03.06`	`orange`	`hehe, no doubt :-)`
`19:04.04`	`JeffM2501`	`come sail away.. come sail away ... with me...ya guys ... come sail away ... come sail away ...`
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`19:04.25`	`_Manu_`	`trepan, but remember autocompletion is also prone to mistakes, happens in irc ;)`
`19:04.32`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: the other question is...got any target for the move?`
`19:04.40`	`JeffM2501`	`well brlcad offerd`
`19:04.50`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't know who else is out there`
`19:05.03`	`trepan`	`_Manu_: it isn't done the same`
`19:05.38`	`JeffM2501`	`if you be my bodyguard you can be my long lost pall..`
`19:05.48`	`gsnedders`	`eek... bzlist.php relises on shorttags :\|`
`19:06.21`	`Pimpi`	`JeffM2501: on a distributed system i'd be able to offer a hub or something, not the listserver as it is now though`
`19:06.43`	`JeffM2501`	`when it gets distributed, I'm sure many people will be able to offer`
`19:06.57`	`DTRemenak`	`exactly the point :)`
`19:06.58`	`JeffM2501`	`but I don't know if a distributed system can be made that is compatable`
`19:07.03`	`_Manu_`	`trepan, I haven't seen your code yet.. I'll take a look`
`19:07.22`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak who's gonna bust it up to distroed?`
`19:07.32`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: if I had the time I'd look into it`
`19:07.35`	`DTRemenak`	`but I don;t`
`19:07.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't have the knowledge`
`19:07.47`	`JeffM2501`	`doubt fearless would even go that route`
`19:07.55`	`DTRemenak`	`knowledge can come with time`
`19:08.08`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't have the intrest ether :)`
`19:08.21`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`19:09.01`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll get over you.. I know I will.. for I am the king of wishfull thinking....`
`19:11.48`	`SilentSwan`	`well, at least you're an optimist`
`19:12.10`	`JeffM2501`	`I find it good to have goals :)`
`19:12.27`	`Birdie`	`blast007 ping`
`19:14.38`	`gsnedders`	`bzlist.php gives "incompatible version" with any server I try`
`19:31.16`	`*** join/#bzflag PKMOBILE (n=Apathy@12.22.249.3)`
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`20:03.11`	`trepan`	`orange: /idban <#slot\|+dbid\|PlayerName\|\"Player Name\">`
`20:05.28`	`orange`	`+ is illegal at the beginning of a callsign?`
`20:06.04`	`trepan`	`yup`
`20:06.11`	`orange`	`cool`
`20:06.18`	`trepan`	`(callSign=='+' \|\| callSign=='@' \|\| *callSign=='#' )`
`20:07.15`	`trepan`	`globalid, bzid, uid, or something else...? (more important for the code then the interface)`
`20:08.26`	`orange`	`is there an official name for the bzbb? Is it bzbb?`
`20:09.15`	`trepan`	`ya, but there's talk of splitting auth from bzbb`
`20:09.16`	`orange`	`then bzid might make most sense`
`20:10.26`	`trepan`	`<#slot\|+id\|PlayerName\|\"Player Name\"> for the interface :)`
`20:10.49`	`orange`	`curse those spaces`
`20:12.32`	`gsnedders`	`bzlist.php gives "incompatible version" with any server I try`
`20:14.00`	`Chestal`	`we can forbid spaces in 2.2, just make them use _?`
`20:14.17`	`orange`	`Chestal: if you're ready to face the lynch mob, that is`
`20:15.04`	`orange`	`of course... you could always accept the spaces and just silently convert them`
`20:15.30`	`trepan`	`name conflicts`
`20:16.04`	`Chestal`	`orange: well, we forbid lots of names with 2.0, some peopel had to change`
`20:16.43`	`orange`	`yeah, but spaces are so common... you might affect half the population`
`20:16.54`	`orange`	`obviously I don't care :-)`
`20:19.19`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/ (4 files in 3 dirs): end of shot sent by server on behalf of hit players.`
`20:22.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I have a make error in Mac OS X (10.4) that wasn't there a few days ago...`
`20:22.48`	`Ice_Wewe`	`here it is`
`20:23.11`	`Ice_Wewe`	`http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/28694`
`20:34.44`	`brlcad`	`woah`
`20:34.50`	`brlcad`	`new sourceforge site just went live`
`20:36.14`	`Tupone`	`:)`
`20:39.03`	`_Manu_`	`brlcad, latest news are outdated no? :)`
`20:40.48`	`Ice_Wewe`	`bah, stupid bug! preventing me from compiling!!!`
`20:40.59`	`Ice_Wewe`	`wonder what changed, it worked a few days ago...`
`20:41.25`	`Tupone`	`Ice_Wewe: did you re-install SDL or OS libraries ?`
`20:41.45`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Tupone: no`
`20:42.44`	`Tupone`	`you have warning, that you can fix with --without-regex. But the other are function that link is not finding`
`20:43.20`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Tupone: what does regex do anyway?`
`20:43.40`	`Ice_Wewe`	`(and I am trying it with the regex folder from the tar form the working install...)`
`20:43.55`	`I_Died_Once`	`My favorite wrestler died`
`20:43.59`	`I_Died_Once`	`damn it`
`20:45.11`	`Tupone`	`forget the regex warning, and try fixing the other 2 symbols not found`
`20:45.11`	`Guu`	`I've never heard of the regex warning, and try fixing the other 2 symbols not found, Tupone!`
`20:45.18`	`Tupone`	`Ice_Wewe: forget the regex warning, and try fixing the other 2 symbols not found`
`20:46.56`	`I_Died_Once`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:47.17`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Tupone: Ok, I'm not exactly sure what the other things it was warning me about, but I might be able to figure it out, just let me get some of this mountain done (of homework)`
`20:50.35`	`ToughShooter`	`I wonder how it had worked for you a few days before - anon CVS lags days at sourceforge ;)`
`20:50.46`	`*** join/#bzflag RoMy (n=RoMy@cs181130193.pp.htv.fi)`
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`20:52.36`	`RoMy`	`hi birdie`
`20:53.11`	`Birdie`	`hey romy!`
`20:53.26`	`RoMy`	`whats up?`
`21:01.06`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm your little butterfly, green, black, and blue, make good colors in the sky.`
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`21:35.09`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Someone built LouMan a new bzflag version yesterday, where might I find that?`
`21:36.57`	`JeffM2501`	`was probably sent right to him`
`21:37.27`	`Ice_Wewe`	`no, they gave a link to it`
`21:37.44`	`trepan`	`~logs`
`21:37.46`	`ibot`	`logs is probably http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz`
`21:39.36`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone: yeah, I'm awake ;)`
`21:39.45`	`Tupone`	`aww`
`21:41.04`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Hey JeffM2501, you'll never guess what I just found!`
`21:41.16`	`JeffM2501`	`a life?`
`21:42.02`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: very funny.... does this look familier? http://sasami.bakadigital.com/models/tanks%20stuff/`
`21:42.07`	`Ice_Wewe`	`guess whats in that folder?`
`21:42.09`	`Ice_Wewe`	`:P`
`21:42.26`	`JeffM2501`	`a connection refuesd page?`
`21:42.31`	`Ice_Wewe`	`well. and that`
`21:42.34`	`JeffM2501`	`yes I've seen a couple of those`
`21:42.38`	`JeffM2501`	`and your point is?`
`21:42.45`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I found the hovytanky...`
`21:42.59`	`JeffM2501`	`no you found a connection refused page`
`21:43.03`	`JeffM2501`	`I see nothing there`
`21:43.03`	`Ice_Wewe`	`nope`
`21:43.05`	`Ice_Wewe`	`http://sasami.bakadigital.com/models/tanks%20stuff/hovytanky4.jpg`
`21:43.17`	`JeffM2501`	`again refused`
`21:43.17`	`Ice_Wewe`	`its a good thing I downloaded something from the same directory before...`
`21:43.29`	`JeffM2501`	`all you would have is cache`
`21:43.34`	`Ice_Wewe`	`yes, I know its refused, my point is that when it comes up, there is hovytanky`
`21:43.34`	`JeffM2501`	`again no data there`
`21:43.49`	`JeffM2501`	`what makes you think that URL will be valid when it comes up?`
`21:43.51`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: that is not the point, the point is, I finally found it.`
`21:44.01`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: well since I've told you, nothing`
`21:44.09`	`JeffM2501`	`so you can search logs, whopty freaking do`
`21:45.19`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: no, not logs, its quite simple. It was still in my firefox download window, I'd neglected to clear it, since September 26th, the day I downloaded that picture`
`21:45.39`	`JeffM2501`	`your firefox history is a type of log`
`21:46.05`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: ok, I searched a log :P`
`21:49.10`	`JeffM2501`	`actualy that URL will never be valid again`
`21:50.45`	`Ice_Wewe`	`and why not?`
`21:50.55`	`Ice_Wewe`	`because I told you, most likely`
`21:50.56`	`JeffM2501`	`removed the sasami dns entry`
`21:50.58`	`JeffM2501`	`cleaning them up`
`21:51.02`	`JeffM2501`	`have too many`
`21:51.12`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh even if I kept it, you'd not be able to get back in`
`21:51.23`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: and why is that?`
`21:51.28`	`JeffM2501`	`httaccess`
`21:52.07`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: I'm surprised, you actually think I'm dumb enough to access it from my actual IP address again? heck no, I'd use another one... I'm surprised you thought I was that lame.`
`21:52.46`	`JeffM2501`	`did I say anything about IP based lockouts?`
`21:52.59`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: nope`
`21:53.09`	`JeffM2501`	`you can connect from anywhere in the world you want, you just wont' be geting in`
`21:53.25`	`orange`	`Ice_Wewe: why are you picking a fight?`
`21:53.32`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: is that because it's now closed forever?`
`21:53.39`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`21:53.42`	`Ice_Wewe`	`orange: because I simply refuse to accept defeat`
`21:53.45`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: then why?`
`21:53.56`	`orange`	`Ice_Wewe: sometimes winning is just knowing when to shut your damn mouth`
`21:54.01`	`JeffM2501`	`accept the fact that I will not let you use any of my artwork anymore`
`21:54.07`	`JeffM2501`	`there is no "defeat"`
`21:54.10`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: ok, accepted`
`21:54.25`	`JeffM2501`	`the artwork will be secured using accounts and passwords and keys`
`21:54.49`	`orange`	`and thanks for making it harder for legitimate users to get to it, Ice_Wewe`
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`21:57.18`	`ToughShooter`	`~orange++`
`21:57.18`	`JeffM2501`	`the stuff I post here will go in temp`
`21:57.22`	`JeffM2501`	`and temp will be open`
`21:57.30`	`JeffM2501`	`tho I'll be cleaning temp out`
`21:57.36`	`JeffM2501`	`more often`
`21:58.31`	`JeffM2501`	`tho it may be time to move everything on that machine`
`21:58.35`	`JeffM2501`	`it has drive problems :(`
`22:02.00`	`SilentSwan`	`ok, so what is this "~user++" thing?`
`22:02.09`	`Ice_Wewe`	`SilentSwan: karma`
`22:02.16`	`SilentSwan`	`oh`
`22:02.25`	`JeffM2501`	`ibot can keep a list per user`
`22:02.31`	`JeffM2501`	`if somone does something nice you ++ them`
`22:02.36`	`JeffM2501`	`if they do something bad you -- them`
`22:02.41`	`SilentSwan`	`ah.. wish i'd have known that :)`
`22:02.47`	`JeffM2501`	`ibot, karma SilentSwan`
`22:02.47`	`ibot`	`silentswan has karma of 1`
`22:02.53`	`JeffM2501`	`you have done a good thing :)`
`22:02.54`	`SilentSwan`	`please tell me this doesn't tie into the game`
`22:02.57`	`Ice_Wewe`	`~karma Ice_Wewe`
`22:02.58`	`ibot`	`ice_wewe has karma of 2`
`22:02.58`	`SilentSwan`	`wow`
`22:03.04`	`Ice_Wewe`	`sweet`
`22:03.23`	`DTRemenak`	`~karma DTRemenak`
`22:03.23`	`ibot`	`dtremenak has karma of 132`
`22:03.27`	`DTRemenak`	`wow`
`22:03.35`	`JeffM2501`	`your doing prety good there`
`22:03.37`	`SilentSwan`	`busy man, eh?`
`22:03.50`	`DTRemenak`	`surprising. think last time I checked it was around 70`
`22:03.54`	`JeffM2501`	`ibot, SilentSwan++`
`22:03.56`	`SportChick`	`~work DTRemenak`
`22:03.58`	`ibot`	`ACTION looks over the shoulder of DTRemenak to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so DTRemenak can play bzflag`
`22:04.10`	`DTRemenak`	`oooh that would be awesome`
`22:04.10`	`Ice_Wewe`	`hehe`
`22:04.17`	`DTRemenak`	`sadly I need to go fabricate a transistor now`
`22:04.19`	`Ice_Wewe`	`~work Ice_Wewe`
`22:04.20`	`ibot`	`ACTION looks over the shoulder of Ice_Wewe to see what needs to be done and then sets the elves to work getting it all done so Ice_Wewe can play bzflag`
`22:04.22`	`DTRemenak`	`no elves for me`
`22:04.23`	`JeffM2501`	`best of luck`
`22:04.27`	`Ice_Wewe`	`hehe`
`22:04.29`	`JeffM2501`	`nano elves`
`22:04.31`	`SportChick`	`good luck, dtr`
`22:04.35`	`ToughShooter`	`I could need that every monday + wednesday ;)`
`22:04.51`	`JeffM2501`	`a vewsonic 19`
`22:04.54`	`JeffM2501`	`only does 1280`
`22:04.59`	`JeffM2501`	`but has a good refresh`
`22:05.07`	`SportChick`	`~karma SportChick`
`22:05.07`	`ibot`	`sportchick has karma of 105`
`22:05.21`	`JeffM2501`	`the dell's are just samsungs`
`22:05.28`	`SilentSwan`	`ah ok`
`22:05.34`	`SilentSwan`	`thanks`
`22:05.47`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: really? cool.`
`22:06.03`	`JeffM2501`	`yes, samsung is the primary OEM for dell`
`22:06.12`	`Ice_Wewe`	`cool.`
`22:06.18`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: point. Results 331 - 340 of about 4,480 from sasami.bakadigital.com`
`22:06.29`	`JeffM2501`	`huh?`
`22:06.31`	`ToughShooter`	`I would never want to work with anything lower that 20" widescreen after I got used to it.`
`22:06.44`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah a 24 wide would be best now`
`22:07.32`	`ToughShooter`	`my ibooks display is that bad in contrast to the cinema display :/`
`22:07.41`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: that is what google has to say about your former website, god you have a lot of screen shots... anyway, I'm sure hovytanky.obj is in google's cache somewhere...`
`22:07.57`	`JeffM2501`	`heh, it never was an obj :)`
`22:08.26`	`JeffM2501`	`only use OBJs for exporting`
`22:08.34`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: nuts...`
`22:08.35`	`JeffM2501`	`it was never exported`
`22:08.42`	`JeffM2501`	`just stop trying to be a theif`
`22:08.45`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: Nooooooooooooo!`
`22:08.55`	`Ice_Wewe`	`to the exported, not the theif`
`22:09.05`	`Ice_Wewe`	`man, I wish that flag existed in real life sigh`
`22:09.10`	`JeffM2501`	`don't gank my models`
`22:09.20`	`JeffM2501`	`the flag is from UT`
`22:09.23`	`JeffM2501`	`just go buy it`
`22:09.26`	`Ice_Wewe`	`flag?`
`22:09.44`	`Ice_Wewe`	`That tank is from UnrealTournament?`
`22:10.11`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`22:10.17`	`JeffM2501`	`I made that tank by hand`
`22:10.35`	`JeffM2501`	`there are screenshots of a flag, I thought you were talking about that`
`22:10.44`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: (you're not exactly PG-13, nor 14A) http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:fJz8FtO1NioJ:sasami.bakadigital.com/public/images/backgrounds/gallery/view_photo.php%3Fset_albumName%3DBalistics%26id%3Dshirow_2+site:sasami.bakadigital.com&hl=en&client=firefox`
`22:10.58`	`JeffM2501`	`never said I was`
`22:11.05`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: ohh, animay fan are we?`
`22:11.09`	`JeffM2501`	`from a good art book`
`22:11.21`	`JeffM2501`	`this is not a place to go thru people's cahce man`
`22:11.39`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: ok... I'll do it on my own.`
`22:11.49`	`JeffM2501`	`sad sad little moneky`
`22:11.54`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: op me?`
`22:12.05`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o trepan] by JeffM2501`
`22:12.08`	`JeffM2501`	`as you wish`
`22:12.18`	`*** kick/#bzflag [Ice_Wewe!n=trepan@unaffiliated/trepan] by trepan (quit being an idiot)`
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`22:12.54`	`JeffM2501`	`there is a better button I could push that would make him more mad, but it's not worth it`
`22:13.31`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: how thoughtful of you. Thanks.`
`22:13.44`	`JeffM2501`	`unless you keep it up`
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`22:14.07`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: that wasn't sarcasm, I was serious.`
`22:14.46`	`JeffM2501`	`as was I`
`22:15.13`	`JeffM2501`	`I have had just about enough of you and your button pushing`
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`22:18.41`	`JeffM2501`	`tho all I realy did was change the sasami name :)`
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`22:18.59`	`Ice_Wewe`	`sorry for that, I'm back`
`22:19.03`	`JeffM2501`	`whatever`
`22:19.11`	`TimRiker`	`yeah, we're sorry for that too.`
`22:21.39`	`trepan`	`TimRiker: can you add "BZID: <id> <callsign>" ?`
`22:22.35`	`trepan`	`into bzfls.php, just after the "TOKGOOD:" line`
`22:22.39`	`TimRiker`	`not sure I want the servers knowing the ids. up until this point, they are not used, and could be changed on the list server without effecting anything else.`
`22:22.58`	`trepan`	`TimRiker: it's way of the future, global player ids`
`22:23.19`	`trepan`	`it won't affect anything else unless ipbans are being used`
`22:23.32`	`trepan`	`s/ipbans/idbans`
`22:24.21`	`TimRiker`	`I'll have to think about it. I see the issue, and I don't at present have a better suggestion. Just not sure that this is a step I want to take.`
`22:24.40`	`trepan`	`and it's not like it's hidden information, i can get it from the bzbb user listing`
`22:24.53`	`TimRiker`	`agreed.`
`22:25.52`	`TimRiker`	`just wondering if we should be adding a UID ourselves rather than exposing the current. iirc the current is a row number in mysql, yes? or is there another UID field already?`
`22:26.05`	`brlcad`	`i'm not incredibly fond of numberic id's in addition to a player callsign myself`
`22:26.26`	`TimRiker`	`hey 23234, keep your comments to yourself.`
`22:26.26`	`trepan`	`they don't have do be numeric, all the tests are string tests`
`22:26.27`	`JeffM2501`	`it is the phpbb userID, it's not the row number, it's an ID it keeps track of allways incrementing`
`22:26.56`	`TimRiker`	`JeffM2501: so it's not tied to mysql? then I'm not as worried.`
`22:27.01`	`trepan`	`brlcad: against global ids?`
`22:27.19`	`brlcad`	`I'm 40043 thank you very much ;)`
`22:27.23`	`trepan`	`... this also resolves the aliasing problem`
`22:27.39`	`trepan`	`s/alsa// :)`
`22:28.43`	`JeffM2501`	`TimRiker, it's the key that phpbb uses to search since it is unique`
`22:28.48`	`JeffM2501`	`so it does have a tie yes`
`22:29.06`	`JeffM2501`	`but it's not like it ever changes for a user if somone "above" them is deleted`
`22:29.09`	`brlcad`	`yeah, I'm not to fond of them in general, the irc-style is more amenable -- you can tie aliases to a parent`
`22:29.23`	`JeffM2501`	`we've had this discussion before`
`22:29.30`	`brlcad`	`not against the global "id" as much as a global "numeric id"`
`22:29.35`	`JeffM2501`	`I sugested a username and callsign be seperate`
`22:29.38`	`JeffM2501`	`username never changes`
`22:29.41`	`brlcad`	`right`
`22:29.42`	`JeffM2501`	`callsiign does`
`22:29.51`	`JeffM2501`	`it was not well receved at that time`
`22:29.55`	`trepan`	`phpbb easily mod'ed to do that?`
`22:30.05`	`JeffM2501`	`it could be yes`
`22:30.22`	`JeffM2501`	`you could mod phpbb to even allow callsign management where a user is allowed like 5 callsigns`
`22:30.27`	`JeffM2501`	`and it makes sure they are unique`
`22:30.35`	`JeffM2501`	`similar to how the MMORPGS do it`
`22:30.42`	`JeffM2501`	`one account, many characters`
`22:30.51`	`brlcad`	`usernames can be used as callsigns, so the user doesn't have to explicitly make both -- it's merely a means to allow various identies to tie together`
`22:31.05`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah your username is your first autogenerated callsign`
`22:31.35`	`JeffM2501`	`it would just be a little more data on each user, and some more php to let the people mange them`
`22:31.36`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: so how much would it take to do it? how long?`
`22:31.47`	`JeffM2501`	`for someone that knew php, probalby a day or so`
`22:32.21`	`JeffM2501`	`then also some code to do callsign -> username lookups`
`22:32.28`	`trepan`	`ack, current callsigns can contain spaces`
`22:32.33`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`22:32.44`	`JeffM2501`	`the joy of URL encode :)`
`22:33.09`	`trepan`	`BZID: "id" callsign`
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`22:35.53`	`trepan`	`well, the code's done, just need an ID of some sort (quoting also taken care of)`
`22:43.32`	`JeffM2501`	`TimRiker, how would you feel about moving my.bo to another host, to take the load off Nidhoggr?`
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`23:04.12`	`SilentSwan`	`I got a job interview! woohoo!`
`23:04.18`	`SilentSwan`	`for a real job`
`23:04.40`	`gsnedders`	`i prefer fake jobs`
`23:04.43`	`gsnedders`	`:D`
`23:04.51`	`SilentSwan`	`i have one`
`23:04.57`	`gsnedders`	`i go to school`
`23:04.59`	`SilentSwan`	`it's boring and pointless`
`23:05.17`	`SilentSwan`	`what do you study?`
`23:06.01`	`gsnedders`	`whatever 13 year old kids study :)`
`23:06.26`	`SilentSwan`	`oh`
`23:06.27`	`SilentSwan`	`:)`
`23:06.31`	`SilentSwan`	`thought you meant college`
`23:06.36`	`gsnedders`	`:P`
`23:06.43`	`gsnedders`	`school.`
`23:06.43`	`SilentSwan`	`tip: don't go into computer sci.`
`23:06.45`	`gsnedders`	`as in secondary school.`
`23:06.47`	`SilentSwan`	`in fact, avoid IT`
`23:06.50`	`gsnedders`	`as in UK.`
`23:07.01`	`gsnedders`	`as in Scotland.`
`23:07.04`	`SilentSwan`	`ooh nice`
`23:07.08`	`SilentSwan`	`would love to visit there`
`23:07.10`	`SilentSwan`	`aye`
`23:07.56`	`brlcad`	`SilentSwan: congrats`
`23:08.01`	`gsnedders`	`IT homework sucks...`
`23:08.10`	`gsnedders`	`I always need to find a floppy drive...`
`23:08.23`	`SilentSwan`	`thanks brlcad :)`
`23:08.34`	`SilentSwan`	`floppies? my goodness... that's so... '90's`
`23:08.45`	`gsnedders`	`80's...`
`23:08.46`	`SilentSwan`	`yeah`
`23:09.24`	`SilentSwan`	`well, i wish i could have gotten this interview back in March or something sigh...`
`23:09.31`	`SilentSwan`	`but... maybe this is for the better.`
`23:09.38`	`brlcad`	`i could probably line you up with a good interview if I new you could write good code ;)`
`23:09.44`	`SilentSwan`	`i aced the tech. phone screen`
`23:10.14`	`SilentSwan`	`brlcad i could write good code, but.. a) i'm not interested in doing software devel, b) it's been to long since i have done so`
`23:10.21`	`SilentSwan`	`but thanks :)`
`23:10.31`	`brlcad`	`being interested is critical ;)`
`23:10.49`	`brlcad`	`moreso than even knowing how to`
`23:10.52`	`SilentSwan`	`the main source of my disinterest is that more programming jobs are still being sent to 3rd-world countries`
`23:11.02`	`SilentSwan`	`so i refuse to even bother`
`23:11.18`	`brlcad`	`heh, not in this sector`
`23:11.23`	`SilentSwan`	`just wait`
`23:11.28`	`SilentSwan`	`what sector is that?`
`23:12.09`	`brlcad`	`gubbymint`
`23:12.19`	`SilentSwan`	`ugh`
`23:12.23`	`SilentSwan`	`i'd have nothing to do with that`
`23:12.31`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`23:13.03`	`SilentSwan`	`i don't want to even stay in this country any longer than i have to`
`23:14.04`	`gsnedders`	`what country?`
`23:14.36`	`brlcad`	`SilentSwan: so you're planning on moving? or just disgruntled and like to complain? :)`
`23:14.49`	`SilentSwan`	`planning on moving`
`23:14.53`	`SilentSwan`	`actually, both`
`23:15.10`	`SilentSwan`	`just a matter of money`
`23:17.12`	`gsnedders`	`one file is 2 revisions behind!`
`23:18.36`	`SilentSwan`	`so i complain too much eh?`
`23:20.45`	`SilentSwan`	`SilentSwan's a bitch, no doubt... ah well`
`23:22.25`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzadmin/BZAdminClient.cxx: Better flush output sometime :)`
`23:22.54`	`Tupone`	`blast007: this should fix bzadmin, at least partiallt`
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`23:47.02`	`gsnedders`	`my /quit message on silvercat: "What? Going mad? Of course I bloody am!"`
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`23:59.41`	`gsnedders`	`hi brad2901`
`23:59.53`	`brad2901`	`hiya gsnedders`

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