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`00:16.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`Hello all, I could use some help with compiling...`
`00:16.52`	`A_Meteorite`	`I would post the error now but I need to get it first. ;)`
`00:17.00`	`A_Meteorite`	`(re-compiling)`
`00:17.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`I did: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v2_0branch bzflag`
`00:17.58`	`A_Meteorite`	`(still downloading...)`
`00:20.16`	`JeffM2501`	`what os are you on?`
`00:20.33`	`A_Meteorite`	`Mac OS X 10.4.3`
`00:20.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`cvs update -dP -r v2_0branch`
`00:20.43`	`JeffM2501`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:20.46`	`JeffM2501`	`you just COed`
`00:20.46`	`A_Meteorite`	`k`
`00:20.55`	`JeffM2501`	`do you have fink installed?`
`00:21.01`	`A_Meteorite`	`I haven't been able to compile sincec 10-26`
`00:21.02`	`A_Meteorite`	`yes`
`00:21.17`	`JeffM2501`	`did you use fink to install libtool and automake and autoconf?`
`00:21.29`	`A_Meteorite`	`no... it's a fresh install`
`00:21.40`	`JeffM2501`	`a fresh in install of OSX?`
`00:21.40`	`A_Meteorite`	`I haven't "fink install" anything yet`
`00:21.43`	`A_Meteorite`	`no`
`00:21.44`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh good`
`00:21.51`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't want fink`
`00:21.54`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh`
`00:21.57`	`JeffM2501`	`fink can screw stuff up`
`00:21.59`	`A_Meteorite`	`How do I uninstall now?`
`00:22.01`	`A_Meteorite`	`loll`
`00:22.04`	`JeffM2501`	`I dono`
`00:22.07`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't have to remove it`
`00:22.14`	`JeffM2501`	`just don't use it to install`
`00:22.19`	`A_Meteorite`	`I used to be able to build but now I get errors`
`00:22.23`	`JeffM2501`	`did you get the SDL dev stuff?`
`00:22.25`	`A_Meteorite`	`yes`
`00:22.32`	`JeffM2501`	`build and see what errors you get`
`00:22.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`k`
`00:22.38`	`A_Meteorite`	`building now`
`00:23.06`	`JeffM2501`	`did you autogen and config?`
`00:23.12`	`A_Meteorite`	`./autogen.sh`
`00:23.17`	`JeffM2501`	`good`
`00:23.18`	`A_Meteorite`	`./configure --enable-plugins --prefix=/Users/server/usr`
`00:23.30`	`A_Meteorite`	`I want a local user install`
`00:23.32`	`JeffM2501`	`you should not have to do enable plugins IIRC, it shoudl be default`
`00:23.41`	`JeffM2501`	`install?`
`00:23.47`	`JeffM2501`	`why don't use just use the xcode project?`
`00:23.55`	`A_Meteorite`	`is it alright that --enabled-shared is defualt=no?`
`00:24.01`	`A_Meteorite`	`I got errors with that too`
`00:24.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`same ones`
`00:24.18`	`JeffM2501`	`the xcode project does a proper .app package`
`00:24.20`	`JeffM2501`	`you want to use that`
`00:24.28`	`JeffM2501`	`running from command line won't "fix" errors`
`00:24.28`	`A_Meteorite`	`ah`
`00:24.40`	`JeffM2501`	`xcode just calls the makefile anway`
`00:24.43`	`JeffM2501`	`but does more after`
`00:24.45`	`A_Meteorite`	`do I need a fresh checkout?`
`00:24.49`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`00:24.57`	`JeffM2501`	`pastbin the errors`
`00:24.57`	`A_Meteorite`	`cause it's make'ing now`
`00:25.53`	`A_Meteorite`	`opening Xcode...`
`00:26.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh, you use a old version :P`
`00:26.29`	`JeffM2501`	`you?`
`00:26.40`	`A_Meteorite`	`no you guys`
`00:26.47`	`JeffM2501`	`the project is kept as old yes`
`00:26.54`	`A_Meteorite`	`whoever makes the .xcode build`
`00:26.54`	`JeffM2501`	`not everyone is up to xcode2`
`00:27.05`	`JeffM2501`	`upgrading it woudl screw the 10.3 people`
`00:27.09`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh`
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`00:27.34`	`A_Meteorite`	`can't you do universal builds?`
`00:27.44`	`A_Meteorite`	`10.3/10.4`
`00:28.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`it's "running 1 of 2 custom shell scripts"`
`00:29.18`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`00:29.27`	`JeffM2501`	`but 10.4 uses a newer version of xcode`
`00:29.31`	`JeffM2501`	`if we upgrade the project`
`00:29.40`	`JeffM2501`	`they would not be able topen the newer file`
`00:29.59`	`A_Meteorite`	`warning: control may reach end of non-void function`
`00:30.05`	`JeffM2501`	`use pastebin`
`00:30.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`at least it's not an error - yet ;)`
`00:30.11`	`JeffM2501`	`and only paste the errors`
`00:30.21`	`A_Meteorite`	`it's still going this is how it always starts`
`00:30.31`	`A_Meteorite`	`crosses fingers`
`00:31.11`	`JeffM2501`	`don't plan on it "magicaly" working`
`00:31.20`	`JeffM2501`	`if you had errors before you will still get them`
`00:31.25`	`A_Meteorite`	`yeah`
`00:31.30`	`A_Meteorite`	`I just want them fixed :)`
`00:31.31`	`JeffM2501`	`this wasn't to fix the, just to get you doing it right`
`00:31.47`	`JeffM2501`	`if you want it to magigaly happen, then just wait for a binary`
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`00:33.25`	`A_Meteorite`	`I used to be able to build`
`00:33.39`	`A_Meteorite`	`here's the error:`
`00:33.42`	`JeffM2501`	`then ether something changed on your system, or something changed int he code`
`00:33.44`	`JeffM2501`	`use pastebin`
`00:33.50`	`A_Meteorite`	`k`
`00:34.21`	`A_Meteorite`	`huh? How do I copy Xcode errors?`
`00:34.52`	`JeffM2501`	`dono`
`00:34.59`	`A_Meteorite`	`lol`
`00:35.02`	`A_Meteorite`	`I'll try this`
`00:35.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`brb`
`00:35.16`	`BenUrban`	`you gotta click on the little icon to get the compile output to show up`
`00:35.39`	`A_Meteorite`	`uploading...`
`00:35.46`	`BenUrban`	`at least that's the way it is in 10.3`
`00:35.46`	`A_Meteorite`	`http://pastebin.com/415512`
`00:36.04`	`A_Meteorite`	`that is from Xcode, btw`
`00:36.21`	`JeffM2501`	`iostream`
`00:36.22`	`JeffM2501`	`wierd`
`00:36.38`	`A_Meteorite`	`last time I could compile right was 10-26`
`00:36.45`	`A_Meteorite`	`but now I can't even go back with -R`
`00:36.47`	`JeffM2501`	`looks like it's busted then`
`00:36.59`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll try it when I go home`
`00:37.02`	`A_Meteorite`	`Slayer++ just posted a build...`
`00:37.07`	`JeffM2501`	`umm ok`
`00:37.08`	`JeffM2501`	`use that`
`00:37.14`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok`
`00:37.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`but then how do I compile plugins?`
`00:37.29`	`JeffM2501`	`you won't be able to`
`00:37.32`	`A_Meteorite`	`I really want some. :)`
`00:37.36`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh sigh`
`00:37.40`	`JeffM2501`	`have him build themfor you`
`00:37.45`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok :D`
`00:37.49`	`JeffM2501`	`that error is not one I am aware of`
`00:37.54`	`JeffM2501`	`I will try to dupicate it`
`00:37.55`	`A_Meteorite`	`but you will try it?`
`00:37.57`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok`
`00:38.04`	`JeffM2501`	`if I can, I will show it to learner`
`00:38.07`	`JeffM2501`	`and see what he can see`
`00:38.18`	`A_Meteorite`	`BenUrban: How do I fix it then? ;)`
`00:38.23`	`JeffM2501`	`fink is the cause of many problems`
`00:38.25`	`A_Meteorite`	`I've had it installed before`
`00:38.42`	`JeffM2501`	`you said you didn't install any thing via fink`
`00:38.42`	`A_Meteorite`	`yes`
`00:38.42`	`A_Meteorite`	`but fink itself is installed`
`00:38.43`	`BenUrban`	`A_Meteorite: i don't think you can cleanly uninstall fink`
`00:38.55`	`A_Meteorite`	`umm`
`00:39.00`	`A_Meteorite`	`not cool`
`00:39.00`	`BenUrban`	`without an intimate knowledge of fink`
`00:39.19`	`BenUrban`	`that's why i didn't install it a second time`
`00:39.25`	`JeffM2501`	`another reason fink is evil`
`00:39.30`	`A_Meteorite`	`should I just wipe /sw and then reinstall dev tools?`
`00:39.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`that could help?`
`00:39.42`	`BenUrban`	`i've tried removing /sw`
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`00:39.47`	`BenUrban`	`that just screws it up more`
`00:39.58`	`A_Meteorite`	`and I've done that a couple times............`
`00:40.04`	`JeffM2501`	`OSX is very difrent from system 9, you can't just remove files`
`00:40.16`	`A_Meteorite`	`I never used OS 9, lol`
`00:40.28`	`BenUrban`	`osx is very different from ..`
`00:40.28`	`JeffM2501`	`your lucky`
`00:40.29`	`BenUrban`	`hmm`
`00:40.29`	`BenUrban`	`dos`
`00:40.31`	`BenUrban`	`;)`
`00:40.54`	`A_Meteorite`	`I always here about this weird extensions and stuff`
`00:41.01`	`A_Meteorite`	`sounds scary`
`00:41.08`	`BenUrban`	`you mean resource forks?`
`00:41.15`	`A_Meteorite`	`no exstensions on OS9?`
`00:41.18`	`JeffM2501`	`OS7+ used ectensions`
`00:41.20`	`BenUrban`	`and file type and creator codes?`
`00:41.23`	`BenUrban`	`oh`
`00:41.23`	`BenUrban`	`those extensions`
`00:41.41`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`00:41.41`	`JeffM2501`	`OSX still uses resoruces and file type and creator codes`
`00:41.48`	`BenUrban`	`i blocked access to those memories`
`00:41.57`	`BenUrban`	`yeah i know that`
`00:42.23`	`A_Meteorite`	`sigh now I got to find out how to uninstall Fink...`
`00:42.38`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite, you don't even know if that is your problem`
`00:42.43`	`A_Meteorite`	`true`
`00:42.47`	`JeffM2501`	`just wait`
`00:42.51`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok`
`00:42.56`	`JeffM2501`	`do you NEED a plugin right this very second?`
`00:43.07`	`JeffM2501`	`is it a matter of life or death?`
`00:43.07`	`A_Meteorite`	`not exactly but I've always wanted one`
`00:43.17`	`JeffM2501`	`then waiting an evening won't kill you`
`00:43.22`	`A_Meteorite`	`even airspawn`
`00:43.25`	`BenUrban`	`certain plugins are indeed a matter of life and death ;)`
`00:43.28`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`00:43.37`	`A_Meteorite`	`I love the one that does killing sprees. :D`
`00:43.42`	`A_Meteorite`	`that is awesome`
`00:43.52`	`BenUrban`	`huh?`
`00:44.02`	`JeffM2501`	`play history tracker`
`00:44.05`	`A_Meteorite`	`it's playerhistorytracker I beleive`
`00:44.06`	`BenUrban`	`ah`
`00:44.11`	`A_Meteorite`	`yeah`
`00:44.43`	`A_Meteorite`	`If it's iostream then something must be really messed up...`
`00:44.51`	`A_Meteorite`	`cause that's a basic package...`
`00:44.59`	`A_Meteorite`	`(include?)`
`00:45.01`	`JeffM2501`	`probably a linux makefile artifact`
`00:45.04`	`JeffM2501`	`or a config problem`
`00:45.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`ah`
`00:45.15`	`A_Meteorite`	`Well, I will be here later tnoight`
`00:45.25`	`A_Meteorite`	`if yours builds fine I will mess around with fink`
`00:45.31`	`A_Meteorite`	`got nothing to lost...`
`00:45.33`	`A_Meteorite`	`*lose`
`00:45.57`	`BenUrban`	`well`
`00:45.59`	`BenUrban`	`something in the code could be messing up iostream`
`00:46.02`	`BenUrban`	`that's entirely possible in a language whose preprocessor is text-based`
`00:46.08`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh`
`00:46.25`	`BenUrban`	`if you have nothing to lose, then you can reinstall the os`
`00:46.30`	`BenUrban`	`;)`
`00:46.33`	`A_Meteorite`	`well I do got my files`
`00:46.40`	`JeffM2501`	`more then likely it's just tupone puting in something that only exists in linux :)`
`00:46.44`	`A_Meteorite`	`naughty me... no backups`
`00:46.49`	`A_Meteorite`	`lol`
`00:46.53`	`JeffM2501`	`BenUrban, don't mess with him`
`00:46.55`	`A_Meteorite`	`bad tupone :P`
`00:47.09`	`A_Meteorite`	`hah`
`00:47.12`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite, why do you say that, he's not a master of all OSs`
`00:47.13`	`A_Meteorite`	`I got over 40GB`
`00:47.15`	`BenUrban`	`they were on sale`
`00:47.31`	`A_Meteorite`	`well`
`00:47.33`	`JeffM2501`	`2.0.5 is unstable dev`
`00:47.38`	`JeffM2501`	`it dosn't HAVE to work`
`00:47.42`	`A_Meteorite`	`Yes, but usually it does :)`
`00:47.50`	`JeffM2501`	`sometimes it does`
`00:47.50`	`A_Meteorite`	`this is my first problem`
`00:47.51`	`BenUrban`	`obviously not this time`
`00:47.53`	`JeffM2501`	`sometimes it dosn't`
`00:47.59`	`JeffM2501`	`deal with it`
`00:48.04`	`A_Meteorite`	`I even used 2.0.3`
`00:48.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I know for a fact that 2.0.4 builds just fine`
`00:48.22`	`A_Meteorite`	`just this is my first and I thought I would give a heads up`
`00:48.35`	`JeffM2501`	`it's fine to say something`
`00:48.41`	`JeffM2501`	`just don't dizz people for there work`
`00:48.46`	`A_Meteorite`	`I wasn't`
`00:48.46`	`JeffM2501`	`tupone does many good things`
`00:48.53`	`A_Meteorite`	`just joking around about tupone`
`00:49.09`	`A_Meteorite`	`I'm very glad he does a lot!`
`00:49.13`	`JeffM2501`	`the dude gets enough crap form me, he dosn't need more :)`
`00:49.17`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`00:49.19`	`A_Meteorite`	`;)`
`00:49.23`	`RPG_`	`:D`
`00:50.19`	`A_Meteorite`	`I never knew Fink was so evil`
`00:50.29`	`JeffM2501`	`it is more like apt`
`00:50.33`	`JeffM2501`	`it is not the apple way`
`00:50.40`	`A_Meteorite`	`ah`
`00:50.47`	`JeffM2501`	`fink was made more for the darwin people`
`00:50.49`	`JeffM2501`	`then the OSX people`
`00:51.04`	`A_Meteorite`	`sad there's no big warning on it`
`00:51.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`;)`
`00:51.17`	`JeffM2501`	`they asume you know what you are doing`
`00:51.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`(joking)`
`00:53.18`	`A_Meteorite`	`I will be here probably after 8:30 tonight (3 and a half hours from now)`
`00:53.31`	`A_Meteorite`	`maybe you will have tested it by then`
`00:54.32`	`A_Meteorite`	`wow, never heard of dselect and apt-get on fink`
`00:54.36`	`JeffM2501`	`I have about an hour more of work`
`00:54.41`	`A_Meteorite`	`I always used fink install`
`00:54.48`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok, thanks :)`
`00:54.50`	`JeffM2501`	`fink is apt`
`00:54.53`	`A_Meteorite`	`ah`
`00:55.28`	`A_Meteorite`	`I forget which distro apt is from...`
`00:55.33`	`JeffM2501`	`debian`
`00:55.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh yeah`
`00:55.36`	`JeffM2501`	`and others`
`00:55.44`	`A_Meteorite`	`I use it on my SuSE too`
`00:55.55`	`A_Meteorite`	`much better than their package manager`
`00:56.13`	`A_Meteorite`	`at least it seems easier to use ;)`
`00:56.31`	`A_Meteorite`	`well, I better get going and let you keep on working... cya later tonight`
`00:57.04`	`JeffM2501`	`synaptic`
`00:57.12`	`JeffM2501`	`package manager of the gods`
`00:57.16`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`00:57.23`	`A_Meteorite`	`is that Ubuntu?`
`00:57.29`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`00:57.33`	`A_Meteorite`	`thought so`
`00:57.44`	`A_Meteorite`	`for some reason Ubuntu doesn't like my hardware`
`00:57.56`	`JeffM2501`	`what hardware?`
`00:58.02`	`A_Meteorite`	`I had another old computer (before I sold it) and it was really awesome on that`
`00:58.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`AMD K6-2 500mhz 124MB Ram (4MB is bad)`
`00:58.25`	`A_Meteorite`	`500mhz`
`00:58.27`	`A_Meteorite`	`400`
`00:58.30`	`JeffM2501`	`it should run fine on that`
`00:58.30`	`A_Meteorite`	`not 500 lol`
`00:58.41`	`A_Meteorite`	`must be my bad RAM`
`00:59.01`	`A_Meteorite`	`sadly it's two sticks - 2 64MB sticks`
`00:59.08`	`bryjen`	`bad? or used by the onboard video?`
`00:59.12`	`A_Meteorite`	`and I would not want to part with 60MB`
`00:59.12`	`JeffM2501`	`well yeah if you have bad ram, nothing is going run well on it`
`00:59.27`	`JeffM2501`	`dude ram is cheap`
`00:59.29`	`JeffM2501`	`just get more`
`00:59.31`	`A_Meteorite`	`could be the onboard, but I thought it was bad`
`00:59.37`	`A_Meteorite`	`heh`
`00:59.51`	`A_Meteorite`	`I really want to get a PIII for MB`
`00:59.55`	`A_Meteorite`	`256MB Ram`
`00:59.59`	`JeffM2501`	`why?`
`01:00.10`	`A_Meteorite`	`because even this is dirt slow as a server.`
`01:00.18`	`JeffM2501`	`you can get a full new semperon system for like 175$`
`01:00.22`	`A_Meteorite`	`wow`
`01:00.24`	`JeffM2501`	`2400+`
`01:00.27`	`trepan`	`http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/`
`01:00.44`	`A_Meteorite`	`and I tried installing Gentoo on it...`
`01:00.58`	`A_Meteorite`	`it had a kernel panick because of a "ram disk"`
`01:01.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`figured it must of been my RAM`
`01:01.25`	`JeffM2501`	`what did ubuntu do?`
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`01:01.32`	`A_Meteorite`	`failed in the install`
`01:01.41`	`JeffM2501`	`with an error of.....................................`
`01:01.44`	`A_Meteorite`	`couldn't install any packages`
`01:01.50`	`A_Meteorite`	`just told me it failed`
`01:01.53`	`A_Meteorite`	`one after another`
`01:01.53`	`JeffM2501`	`was it on the network?`
`01:01.56`	`A_Meteorite`	`no`
`01:01.57`	`A_Meteorite`	`CD`
`01:02.00`	`JeffM2501`	`there is your problem`
`01:02.09`	`A_Meteorite`	`I installed SuSE on it...`
`01:02.14`	`JeffM2501`	`that one CD dosn't have all the packages`
`01:02.20`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh`
`01:02.21`	`JeffM2501`	`ubuntu is net install man`
`01:02.28`	`JeffM2501`	`READ the errors`
`01:02.49`	`A_Meteorite`	`maybe it's onboard video`
`01:02.55`	`JeffM2501`	`once one part fails, the rest will fail soon`
`01:03.01`	`A_Meteorite`	`just thought it was bad cause it reports 124`
`01:03.03`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite, does it have onboard video?`
`01:03.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`yes`
`01:03.10`	`JeffM2501`	`bad ram dosn't report less`
`01:03.14`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh`
`01:03.16`	`JeffM2501`	`if it was bad the system woudl't know`
`01:03.23`	`JeffM2501`	`it would just use it and crash`
`01:03.28`	`A_Meteorite`	`ah`
`01:03.41`	`A_Meteorite`	`it would want a full 128MB Ram and it wouldn't be there, correct?`
`01:03.50`	`A_Meteorite`	`only some of it would work`
`01:04.02`	`bryjen`	`that's what JeffM2501 just said`
`01:04.03`	`JeffM2501`	`if it reports 124`
`01:04.06`	`JeffM2501`	`then your video is using it`
`01:04.11`	`JeffM2501`	`if you had "bad" ram`
`01:04.12`	`A_Meteorite`	`ah ok`
`01:04.14`	`JeffM2501`	`it would say 128`
`01:04.21`	`JeffM2501`	`then just crash when it uses last 4 megs`
`01:04.27`	`JeffM2501`	`go into the bios`
`01:04.33`	`JeffM2501`	`bet you can set the ram it uses for video`
`01:04.38`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok`
`01:04.47`	`A_Meteorite`	`for text I should just use as little as possible`
`01:05.09`	`JeffM2501`	`wow`
`01:05.14`	`JeffM2501`	`you know nothing about hardware do you?`
`01:05.27`	`A_Meteorite`	`I thought I did...`
`01:05.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`what did I get wrong?`
`01:05.36`	`blast007`	`a lot of the time the system memory usage can't be changed for onboard video`
`01:05.42`	`JeffM2501`	`no mater what is displayed on the screen it's still a bitmap`
`01:05.51`	`JeffM2501`	`text, image, whatever`
`01:05.52`	`A_Meteorite`	`yeah...`
`01:06.01`	`A_Meteorite`	`but I'm not using a GUI`
`01:06.03`	`JeffM2501`	`text dosn't use any more or less video memory`
`01:06.06`	`JeffM2501`	`who cares`
`01:06.08`	`blast007`	`you can change the AGP Aperture size, but that's different`
`01:06.14`	`JeffM2501`	`blast007, depends on the mobo`
`01:06.31`	`A_Meteorite`	`but color uses more memory right?`
`01:06.38`	`JeffM2501`	`usualy the onboards let you set 4 or 8`
`01:06.43`	`blast007`	`hmm`
`01:06.45`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite, depends on the mode`
`01:06.50`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh....`
`01:06.56`	`JeffM2501`	`4 is fine`
`01:07.01`	`A_Meteorite`	`k`
`01:07.10`	`JeffM2501`	`if you are THAT close to runing out of ram, then you have other problems`
`01:07.11`	`blast007`	`that's just for using high resolutions?`
`01:07.20`	`JeffM2501`	`not nesisarly`
`01:07.25`	`JeffM2501`	`depends on panes`
`01:07.29`	`JeffM2501`	`and off screen bitmaps`
`01:07.29`	`bryjen`	`JeffM2501: uhm, no, in text mode, the video card has just the ascii in ram`
`01:07.34`	`A_Meteorite`	`I think getting a decent Sempron would be a better server, though`
`01:07.43`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, it still has a frame buffer`
`01:07.54`	`JeffM2501`	`to turn it into the scanlines`
`01:07.59`	`JeffM2501`	`it dosn't use a back buffer tho`
`01:08.29`	`bryjen`	`no, it doesn't. old vesa text modes rasterize on-the-fly`
`01:08.44`	`JeffM2501`	`old ones sure`
`01:08.50`	`JeffM2501`	`don't think the onboards do that anymore`
`01:09.01`	`JeffM2501`	`it's possible`
`01:09.05`	`bryjen`	`eh, anything's possible`
`01:09.09`	`bryjen`	`heh`
`01:09.11`	`JeffM2501`	`I've never seen an onboard that lets you go less then 4 tho`
`01:09.38`	`bryjen`	`yeah, because you _might_ switch into a graphic mode, and then you'd need it`
`01:09.51`	`JeffM2501`	`they are designed for desktop systems`
`01:10.02`	`JeffM2501`	`so it would make sense that they keep them around`
`01:10.13`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not 1985 anymore`
`01:10.37`	`JeffM2501`	`if it was, then I could have another shot at Sussie Clodfelter`
`01:10.44`	`A_Meteorite`	`SO where could I get a $175 Sempron? pricewatch.com ?`
`01:10.51`	`JeffM2501`	`frys`
`01:11.02`	`A_Meteorite`	`k`
`01:11.02`	`bryjen`	`yeah, nobody's writing ascii and text attributes directly into video memory from apps these days ;)`
`01:11.25`	`JeffM2501`	`most systems are doing vesa emulation IRRC`
`01:12.12`	`JeffM2501`	`I think on modern hardware a frame buffer is faster then text mode`
`01:13.04`	`A_Meteorite`	`I can go down to 4MB shared memory`
`01:13.04`	`bryjen`	`no, not ansi escape sequences. it was interleaved char attr chr attr ... where the char was ascii and attr was bits for underline, bold... origional PC monochrome stuff`
`01:13.07`	`A_Meteorite`	`I mean 2MB`
`01:14.38`	`A_Meteorite`	`hmmm... what's a Graphics Aperture?`
`01:14.43`	`A_Meteorite`	`for an AGP/PCI card?`
`01:14.47`	`blast007`	`AGP`
`01:14.51`	`A_Meteorite`	`ah ok`
`01:14.59`	`JeffM2501`	`your onboard probably uses it tho`
`01:15.01`	`blast007`	`your onboard is probably abp`
`01:15.03`	`blast007`	`agp*`
`01:15.14`	`A_Meteorite`	`I can go all the way to 8MB on onboard`
`01:15.20`	`JeffM2501`	`oooo`
`01:15.26`	`JeffM2501`	`such a monster machine`
`01:15.29`	`A_Meteorite`	`lol`
`01:15.30`	`JeffM2501`	`how ever do you contain it`
`01:15.36`	`bryjen`	`something like how much system ram the card can map into its address space if needed`
`01:15.38`	`A_Meteorite`	`better than 4MB :P`
`01:16.04`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah, it's how much ram can be grabed by the card by the driver`
`01:16.05`	`A_Meteorite`	`well, not bad for a K6-2 400 ;)`
`01:16.07`	`blast007`	`my P133 has a 2MB video card ;)`
`01:16.10`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite, yes it is`
`01:16.14`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh`
`01:16.30`	`A_Meteorite`	`well I know a little more about newer PCs :\|`
`01:17.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`ah well, I got to get going. will be here later tonight`
`01:17.09`	`bryjen`	`onboard video is almost always crap. it's just so it has _something_ so the mobo manufacturer can say "video included"`
`01:17.17`	`A_Meteorite`	`3 hours or so`
`01:17.27`	`A_Meteorite`	`lol`
`01:17.29`	`A_Meteorite`	`yeah`
`01:17.40`	`A_Meteorite`	`but I didn't buy this`
`01:17.44`	`A_Meteorite`	`I found it :D'`
`01:17.47`	`JeffM2501`	`there are 2 mobos that have non crap onboard video`
`01:17.48`	`A_Meteorite`	`not bad, eh?`
`01:17.54`	`JeffM2501`	`one by ATI and one by nvdia`
`01:17.58`	`A_Meteorite`	`got to go`
`01:17.59`	`A_Meteorite`	`cya`
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`01:18.49`	`bryjen`	`that's because they started with a video card and built it out into a motherboard ;)`
`01:18.59`	`blast007`	`hehe`
`01:19.05`	`JeffM2501`	`true`
`01:19.21`	`JeffM2501`	`well the ATI one has a real x300 on it IIRC`
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`01:45.02`	`JeffM2501`	`and she said baby, it's 3AM I must be lonely....`
`01:47.10`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`01:47.26`	`JeffM2501`	`he lives`
`01:47.52`	`brlcad`	`nay, it aint true!`
`01:48.09`	`JeffM2501`	`got any time to look at something? ;)`
`01:48.19`	`brlcad`	`prohaps`
`01:48.25`	`brlcad`	`cvs up?`
`01:48.28`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`01:48.36`	`JeffM2501`	`image loader seems to only load blackness`
`01:48.48`	`JeffM2501`	`did it the best I could based on the samples I could find`
`01:48.58`	`JeffM2501`	`oh and it dosn't need devIL on OSX anymore`
`01:49.55`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`01:50.13`	`brlcad`	`compiling`
`01:50.29`	`JeffM2501`	`made it use the CGImage stuff to read in the png`
`01:50.47`	`JeffM2501`	`oh you'll need to change a define to get it to use the textures`
`01:51.06`	`JeffM2501`	`worldRenderer.cpp line 7`
`01:51.16`	`JeffM2501`	`_ENABLE_TEXTURES to 1`
`01:54.27`	`brlcad`	`hmm`
`01:54.33`	`brlcad`	`CGImageGetBitmapInfo unkown symbol`
`01:54.51`	`JeffM2501`	`???`
`01:55.06`	`JeffM2501`	`it was in the docs`
`01:55.30`	`brlcad`	`CGContextRef bitmapContext = CGBitmapContextCreate(image.data,image.size[0],image.size[1],bpp,image.size[0],NULL,CGImageGetBitmapInfo(Image));`
`01:55.49`	`brlcad`	`says it's undeclared`
`01:55.55`	`brlcad`	`so either missing a header`
`01:55.59`	`brlcad`	`or it's a 10.4ism`
`01:56.00`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe I'm missing a header or lib then`
`01:56.22`	`JeffM2501`	`checking docs now`
`01:57.33`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it's 10.4 or later`
`01:57.35`	`JeffM2501`	`damn`
`01:57.36`	`brlcad`	`(this box is 10.3, which very well could be`
`01:57.38`	`brlcad`	`ahh`
`01:57.41`	`JeffM2501`	`http://developer.apple.com/documentation/GraphicsImaging/Reference/CGImage/index.html`
`01:57.52`	`JeffM2501`	`I should have looked at that`
`01:57.54`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm sorry`
`01:58.05`	`JeffM2501`	`I want it to work in 10.3`
`01:58.38`	`brlcad`	`heh, no biggie`
`01:58.54`	`JeffM2501`	`I found out what my gl problems were`
`01:58.59`	`JeffM2501`	`only other problem now is mouse events`
`01:59.37`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm the entire bitmap context thing is 10.4 or later`
`02:00.19`	`JeffM2501`	`wonder how your suposed to get the data out of an image then`
`02:03.46`	`brlcad`	`most of it exists, there is CGBitmapContextCreate for example`
`02:04.14`	`brlcad`	`CG_EXTERN CGContextRef CGBitmapContextCreate(void *data, size_t width, size_t height, size_t bitsPerComponent, size_t bytesPerRow, CGColorSpaceRef colorspace, CGImageAlphaInfo alphaInfo);`
`02:04.39`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh alpha info`
`02:04.52`	`JeffM2501`	`probalby just not in my docs becaus I'm 10.4ed :)`
`02:05.11`	`JeffM2501`	`is that the best way to go for loading images? or should I just use libpng?`
`02:05.37`	`brlcad`	`probably best unless you want to consolidate code`
`02:05.59`	`JeffM2501`	`linux and windows are all set using devil`
`02:06.12`	`brlcad`	`what was wrong with devil?`
`02:06.16`	`brlcad`	`on osx`
`02:06.28`	`brlcad`	`the crash looked context/init related`
`02:06.34`	`JeffM2501`	`no framework version, linked against fink libs, just wouldn't build`
`02:06.43`	`brlcad`	`ahh, there was that crap too`
`02:06.44`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah the crash wasn't devil`
`02:06.49`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it was basicly crap`
`02:06.57`	`JeffM2501`	`very little support on OSX`
`02:07.05`	`brlcad`	`could get source and build your own`
`02:07.07`	`JeffM2501`	`so I just made it external`
`02:07.08`	`JeffM2501`	`I tried`
`02:07.10`	`JeffM2501`	`it won't build`
`02:07.13`	`JeffM2501`	`forgot the errors`
`02:07.15`	`brlcad`	`ah`
`02:07.17`	`JeffM2501`	`it angerd me`
`02:07.23`	`brlcad`	`hehe`
`02:07.36`	`JeffM2501`	`on the other OSs I can use premade ones that work fine`
`02:07.52`	`JeffM2501`	`makes sense that the loader shoudl be customiseable per OS`
`02:08.03`	`JeffM2501`	`I did get OSX pulling from the app bundle to`
`02:08.11`	`JeffM2501`	`it's kinda cool to have all the data in one spot`
`02:08.39`	`brlcad`	`yeah, bundles are sweet`
`02:08.48`	`brlcad`	`just wish they'd open up the binary spec for them`
`02:08.49`	`JeffM2501`	`just ganked the code form bz`
`02:09.13`	`JeffM2501`	`isn't it just a folder?`
`02:09.33`	`brlcad`	`not exactly`
`02:09.48`	`JeffM2501`	`the finder just treats it like one?`
`02:09.52`	`JeffM2501`	`or is it "special"`
`02:10.10`	`brlcad`	`they can actually contain serialized live versions of objects`
`02:10.48`	`brlcad`	`yeah, the on-disk structure is usually just an organized dir that finder recognizes and treats special`
`02:11.10`	`brlcad`	`ack, i meant the nib, not bundles`
`02:11.21`	`brlcad`	`nibs contain the serialized stuff`
`02:11.35`	`brlcad`	`yeah, bundles just dirs (that might contain nibs) ;)`
`02:25.43`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
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`02:31.35`	`bryjen`	`what did Tupone break in cvs? looks Ok so far...`
`02:53.43`	`I_Died_Once`	`amarok 1.3.5 crashes alot`
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`03:53.41`	`I_Died_Once`	`good god are all women crazy and worthless or is it just me?`
`03:54.44`	`wizatmac`	`i'll give you the crazy par`
`03:54.45`	`wizatmac`	`t`
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`05:08.53`	`sc-phone`	`hi all`
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`05:16.54`	`A_Meteorite`	`hi`
`05:17.09`	`A_Meteorite`	`you there Jeff?`
`05:17.15`	`A_Meteorite`	`;)`
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`05:18.28`	`A_Meteorite`	`hmmm`
`05:18.31`	`A_Meteorite`	`maybe not?`
`05:19.01`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`05:19.09`	`A_Meteorite`	`yay`
`05:19.12`	`JeffM2501`	`"anakin... turn to the dark side!"`
`05:19.18`	`JeffM2501`	`"ooooooooookkkkkkaaaaayyyy"`
`05:19.22`	`A_Meteorite`	`So how did the build go?`
`05:19.36`	`JeffM2501`	`oh yeah`
`05:19.37`	`JeffM2501`	`build`
`05:19.54`	`A_Meteorite`	`you forgot? :P`
`05:20.00`	`JeffM2501`	`prety much`
`05:20.06`	`A_Meteorite`	`lol, no problem`
`05:20.12`	`JeffM2501`	`it is going now`
`05:20.16`	`A_Meteorite`	`k, thanks`
`05:25.26`	`A_Meteorite`	`is it still going?`
`05:26.08`	`A_Meteorite`	`mine failed pretty quick`
`05:26.36`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`05:26.40`	`JeffM2501`	`configing no`
`05:26.42`	`JeffM2501`	`now`
`05:26.45`	`A_Meteorite`	`k`
`05:26.58`	`A_Meteorite`	`are you on a G5?`
`05:27.03`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`05:27.04`	`A_Meteorite`	`those systems are great`
`05:27.07`	`A_Meteorite`	`ahh`
`05:27.09`	`JeffM2501`	`not really`
`05:27.14`	`JeffM2501`	`they cost too much`
`05:27.16`	`A_Meteorite`	`iMac G5 2ghz :)`
`05:27.37`	`A_Meteorite`	`my first Mac was an iMac G4 800mhz`
`05:27.44`	`A_Meteorite`	`this is so much faster now`
`05:35.47`	`A_Meteorite`	`still going, eh?`
`05:36.17`	`JeffM2501`	`ya`
`05:36.37`	`A_Meteorite`	`if it hasn't failed yet, I bet it's me`
`05:36.59`	`A_Meteorite`	`but I can be here for a few more mins, then I can check tomorrow`
`05:37.04`	`A_Meteorite`	`:)`
`05:41.02`	`A_Meteorite`	`Ah, well, I need to get going actually. Is it alright if I check up tomorrow?`
`05:41.26`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`05:41.37`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok, thanks, cya`
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`06:19.32`	`Roxport`	`hello`
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`06:26.31`	`_tom`	`since my windows box died today, and I recently got a new HP workstation from work, I decided it was time to restart my port to HP-UX`
`06:26.58`	`_tom`	`I'd had a 1.x version working a while back, but lost the code.`
`06:27.41`	`_tom`	`Anyhoo, I can't say I'll be able to commit loads of time to maintenance, but at minimum I could provide the initial work I've done in hopes others would pick it up`
`06:28.34`	`_tom`	`it runs, I wussed out of writing the sound code, but I used some tricks for allowing gcc code to access HP's native OpenGL, so it runs pretty quick`
`06:28.59`	`_tom`	`It has some wierd color issues I'd love a hand with`
`06:29.16`	`Roxport`	`what version will install with debian apt-get install bzflag bzflag-server?`
`06:29.19`	`_tom`	`anyone have any suggestions as to how to contact developers on the project?`
`06:29.35`	`Roxport`	`tom: sourceforge`
`06:29.43`	`_tom`	`put in a patch?`
`06:29.44`	`JeffM2501`	`Roxport, do you want the game or the server?`
`06:29.45`	`Roxport`	`http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzflag/`
`06:29.49`	`Roxport`	`both`
`06:29.52`	`Roxport`	`mainly for server`
`06:29.55`	`JeffM2501`	`_tom, you are talking to them`
`06:30.01`	`JeffM2501`	`Roxport, then you want both packages`
`06:30.02`	`_tom`	`Roxport: kubuntu universal gave me 2.0.2`
`06:30.04`	`JeffM2501`	`server and client are split`
`06:30.08`	`Roxport`	`tom: ahh`
`06:30.11`	`_tom`	`and it doesn't work correctly`
`06:30.15`	`Roxport`	`really?`
`06:30.25`	`_tom`	`I can connect but cannot kill or be killed`
`06:30.30`	`JeffM2501`	`there are problems with 2.0.2 and gcc4`
`06:30.33`	`_tom`	`could be some other issue with my system`
`06:30.37`	`JeffM2501`	`2.0.4 fixes them`
`06:31.32`	`Roxport`	`these guys i play with like using the old version...1.10.6`
`06:31.34`	`JeffM2501`	`just get the 2.0.4 tarball`
`06:31.40`	`JeffM2501`	`that's years old`
`06:31.41`	`Roxport`	`i saw there is rpm for 1.10.6`
`06:31.58`	`Roxport`	`can debian use rpm packages? I think those are for red hat, right?`
`06:32.09`	`JeffM2501`	`doubt 1.x will work with gcc4`
`06:32.17`	`Roxport`	`jeff: i will try the 2.0.4`
`06:32.25`	`JeffM2501`	`you could instal rpm on debian if you wanted`
`06:32.28`	`Roxport`	`i'm new to debian. just installed sarge.`
`06:33.09`	`Roxport`	`i have to download the code and compile it?`
`06:33.10`	`JeffM2501`	`debian testing has 2.0.4`
`06:33.17`	`JeffM2501`	`as a package`
`06:33.26`	`Roxport`	`oh`
`06:33.38`	`JeffM2501`	`guu debian version bzflag`
`06:33.41`	`Guu`	`JeffM2501: 8 matches found: bzflag (oldstable: 1.7e4); bzflag (stable: 2.0.2.20050318); bzflag (testing: 2.0.4.20051017); bzflag (unstable: 2.0.4.20051017); bzflag-server (oldstable: 1.7e4); bzflag-server (stable: 2.0.2.20050318); bzflag-server (testing: 2.0.4.20051017); bzflag-server (unstable: 2.0.4.20051017)`
`06:40.31`	`Roxport`	`jeff: so those are debian packages?`
`06:40.38`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`06:40.42`	`JeffM2501`	`in apt`
`06:40.52`	`Roxport`	`ok`
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`06:45.23`	`JeffM2501`	`wrong X :)`
`06:46.10`	`_tom`	`I hate when that happens`
`06:47.05`	`_tom`	`I get screwed by dual monitors thinking I've got focus on my tabbed [browser,editor,...] and I'm actually in xchat`
`06:47.13`	`_tom`	`ctrl-w.... dang!`
`06:54.53`	`Roxport`	`apt-get install bzflag-server=1.7e4 not found`
`06:55.06`	`Roxport`	`apt-get install bzflag-server/oldstable not found`
`06:55.11`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`06:55.16`	`JeffM2501`	`because those are apt repositorys`
`06:55.21`	`JeffM2501`	`not package names`
`06:55.26`	`Roxport`	`oh`
`06:55.30`	`JeffM2501`	`you'd have to change your reposityrs`
`06:55.36`	`Roxport`	`thanks.`
`06:55.42`	`JeffM2501`	`for each system there are only 2 packages`
`06:55.45`	`Roxport`	`it's set up for whatever I chose at installation`
`06:55.46`	`JeffM2501`	`server and client`
`06:55.51`	`JeffM2501`	`that would be stable`
`06:55.54`	`JeffM2501`	`that's why you got 2.0.2`
`06:56.21`	`Roxport`	`well not yet, i haven't installed any version yet, on this debian box`
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`06:56.38`	`JeffM2501`	`if you are stable you'll get 2.0.2`
`06:56.45`	`JeffM2501`	`you'd have to ether manualy get the package and install it`
`06:56.51`	`JeffM2501`	`or change your apt sources to use testing`
`06:57.06`	`Roxport`	`i see.`
`06:57.13`	`_tom`	`I'd recommend building from source`
`06:57.21`	`JeffM2501`	`it is not that hard`
`06:57.29`	`JeffM2501`	`you will just need a couple packages`
`06:57.32`	`JeffM2501`	`sdl-dev`
`06:57.36`	`JeffM2501`	`curl3-dev`
`06:58.30`	`Roxport`	`i could do it.`
`06:58.46`	`Roxport`	`at least that's what this piece of paper(*) says. ;)`
`07:03.45`	`_tom`	`well, I'm going to put my readme.hpux, my half-assed platform code, and post it on sourceforge. I'll probably lurk around here for a few days and see if anyone else is interested in BZ on HP`
`07:05.26`	`JeffM2501`	`probably depends on just who has the hardware and software`
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`07:05.45`	`Cowpat1989`	`hi`
`07:05.52`	`_tom`	`not a whole lot of HP development going on these days`
`07:06.05`	`_tom`	`hello Cowpat1989`
`07:06.14`	`_tom`	`we're trying to get off of the platform`
`07:06.42`	`_tom`	`but my new C8000 is so nice I almost like HP again`
`07:08.53`	`Cowpat1989`	`i was wondering, someone may be able to help me here`
`07:09.04`	`JeffM2501`	`with?`
`07:10.01`	`Cowpat1989`	`bzserver`
`07:10.46`	`JeffM2501`	`and what part of it do you need help with?`
`07:11.15`	`Cowpat1989`	`well, actually getting it to run properly on knoppix 3.9`
`07:11.29`	`Cowpat1989`	`it's a customized version`
`07:11.33`	`JeffM2501`	`what part of it is not running properly?`
`07:12.08`	`Cowpat1989`	`when i open it it seems to close and not run`
`07:12.20`	`Cowpat1989`	`it dosn't come up in the process table`
`07:12.28`	`JeffM2501`	`what OS?`
`07:12.53`	`JeffM2501`	`oh knopix`
`07:12.56`	`JeffM2501`	`just saw that :)`
`07:13.00`	`JeffM2501`	`do you have a config?`
`07:13.15`	`Cowpat1989`	`well heres the other thing`
`07:13.27`	`Cowpat1989`	`im fairly new to knoppix`
`07:13.34`	`Cowpat1989`	`and linux in general`
`07:13.49`	`JeffM2501`	`how are you trying to run it?`
`07:14.07`	`Cowpat1989`	`so i proberbly won't know what you are going on about`
`07:14.17`	`Cowpat1989`	`i try running the binary`
`07:14.23`	`JeffM2501`	`I know that`
`07:14.26`	`JeffM2501`	`but how do you run it?`
`07:14.29`	`JeffM2501`	`tell me the steps you do`
`07:14.58`	`Cowpat1989`	`i use konqurer to browse to the directory`
`07:15.11`	`Cowpat1989`	`and double click on the binary file`
`07:15.20`	`JeffM2501`	`and it brings up a black terminal window and sits there?`
`07:15.35`	`Cowpat1989`	`it brings up the terminal and closes`
`07:15.40`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`07:15.50`	`JeffM2501`	`bzfs is not a graphical application`
`07:15.58`	`JeffM2501`	`it is meant to be run from the command line`
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`07:16.07`	`JeffM2501`	`now you also said your's was "customised"`
`07:16.10`	`JeffM2501`	`what do you mean by that?`
`07:16.32`	`Cowpat1989`	`well i got it from a computer camp i went to`
`07:16.38`	`Cowpat1989`	`www.computercamp.org`
`07:16.51`	`JeffM2501`	`and someone modified it?`
`07:16.56`	`Cowpat1989`	`yeah`
`07:17.02`	`JeffM2501`	`hope you trust them`
`07:17.07`	`JeffM2501`	`well lets see what the error ios`
`07:17.10`	`Cowpat1989`	`i do`
`07:17.13`	`Cowpat1989`	`ok`
`07:17.14`	`JeffM2501`	`in konq`
`07:17.19`	`JeffM2501`	`right click in the bzflag dir`
`07:17.20`	`Cowpat1989`	`but one thing`
`07:17.25`	`JeffM2501`	`and hit the item that says "open terminal here"`
`07:17.35`	`Cowpat1989`	`ok`
`07:18.08`	`Cowpat1989`	`im just taking this down at the moment`
`07:18.13`	`JeffM2501`	`then tell me when that is up`
`07:18.14`	`Cowpat1989`	`im not running linux`
`07:18.43`	`Cowpat1989`	`at the moment that is`
`07:18.58`	`JeffM2501`	`oh`
`07:19.04`	`JeffM2501`	`then I can't help you much`
`07:19.09`	`JeffM2501`	`since you don't know the error`
`07:19.52`	`Cowpat1989`	`how do i find that`
`07:20.02`	`Cowpat1989`	`just run it in a terminal?`
`07:20.05`	`JeffM2501`	`you would run bzfs -d -d -d in that terminal`
`07:20.08`	`JeffM2501`	`and see what it says`
`07:20.18`	`Cowpat1989`	`ok`
`07:21.00`	`Roxport`	`having trouble adding where to look for oldstable bzflag in sources.list (for apt-get)`
`07:21.01`	`Cowpat1989`	`i have to reboot into knoppix and then i'll come back with the error`
`07:21.12`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
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`07:22.39`	`Roxport`	`"release not found" (bzflag=1.7e4 or bzflag/oldstable)`
`07:23.06`	`JeffM2501`	`what repository are you in?`
`07:23.37`	`Roxport`	`ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ oldstable/games main ?`
`07:24.02`	`JeffM2501`	`1.7e4 is freaking old man`
`07:24.04`	`Roxport`	`"couldn't stat source package list"....`
`07:24.10`	`Roxport`	`yeah i know...hm.`
`07:24.12`	`JeffM2501`	`doubt that will be in apt`
`07:24.18`	`Roxport`	`ok.`
`07:24.27`	`JeffM2501`	`why do you want that old?`
`07:24.37`	`JeffM2501`	`you like bugs?`
`07:24.54`	`Roxport`	`these old-timers insist on playing oldstable style`
`07:25.02`	`Roxport`	`no, i don't like bugs.`
`07:25.05`	`JeffM2501`	`that would be 1.10`
`07:25.10`	`JeffM2501`	`not 1.7`
`07:25.18`	`Roxport`	`yes...`
`07:25.22`	`JeffM2501`	`the package in old stable is just called bzflag`
`07:25.23`	`Roxport`	`it's late...sorry`
`07:25.25`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not verisoned`
`07:25.30`	`Roxport`	`ok`
`07:25.44`	`Roxport`	`i guess what i want is 1.10.6`
`07:26.16`	`JeffM2501`	`that would be one of the last 1.10s`
`07:26.24`	`JeffM2501`	`learner, brlcad ping`
`07:27.08`	`Roxport`	`there is bzflag slackware x86 1.10.6 on sourceforge. that should work on debian, or not?`
`07:27.16`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe`
`07:27.22`	`JeffM2501`	`depends if the libs were compatable`
`07:27.43`	`Roxport`	`ok`
`07:29.08`	`Roxport`	`sdl-dev and cur13-dev :: do i need to apt-get those?`
`07:29.12`	`Roxport`	`to build?`
`07:29.13`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`07:30.31`	`Roxport`	`can't find the pkg, apt-get says. i think i need more entries in sources.list`
`07:30.47`	`JeffM2501`	`then you should fix that`
`07:31.04`	`Roxport`	`i'm trying...`
`07:33.27`	`Roxport`	`apt-get update duh!`
`07:38.01`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, you awake?`
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`07:42.50`	`Cowpat1989`	`hello im back`
`07:43.07`	`JeffM2501`	`I see that`
`07:44.46`	`Cowpat1989`	`this is what it returns`
`07:44.49`	`Cowpat1989`	`lordemrys@tux:/usr/games$ bzfs -d -d -d`
`07:44.50`	`Cowpat1989`	`style: 0`
`07:44.50`	`Cowpat1989`	`There is a voting arbiter with the following settings:`
`07:44.50`	`Cowpat1989`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:44.50`	`Cowpat1989`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`07:44.59`	`Cowpat1989`	`Running a private server with the following settings:`
`07:45.01`	`Cowpat1989`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:45.03`	`Cowpat1989`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:45.05`	`Cowpat1989`	`ColDet Octree obstacles = 29`
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`07:45.19`	`Cowpat1989`	`ColDet Octree leaf nodes = 21`
`07:45.21`	`Cowpat1989`	`ColDet Octree total nodes = 28`
`07:45.23`	`Cowpat1989`	`ColDet Octree total elements = 50`
`07:45.25`	`Cowpat1989`	`Collision Octree processed in 0.005 seconds.`
`07:45.27`	`Cowpat1989`	`Map size: uncompressed = 1025, compressed = 515`
`07:45.29`	`Cowpat1989`	`Compression: 0.001 seconds`
`07:45.31`	`Cowpat1989`	`MD5 generation: 0.000 seconds`
`07:46.52`	`JeffM2501`	`looks fine`
`07:47.03`	`Cowpat1989`	`mmm thats what i thought`
`07:47.13`	`JeffM2501`	`if you leave that window open, and connect with a client does it work?`
`07:47.31`	`Cowpat1989`	`i haven't tried that yet`
`07:47.47`	`Cowpat1989`	`but when i just opened the binary nothing happened`
`07:48.06`	`JeffM2501`	`binary for what?`
`07:48.09`	`JeffM2501`	`client or server?`
`07:48.14`	`Cowpat1989`	`server`
`07:48.20`	`Cowpat1989`	`client works fine`
`07:48.25`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't "open" the server by double clicking`
`07:48.28`	`JeffM2501`	`it dosn't work that way`
`07:48.37`	`JeffM2501`	`you run it with the terminal`
`07:48.46`	`Cowpat1989`	`thats what im doing wrong then`
`07:48.47`	`JeffM2501`	`and leave that terminal open as long as you want the server up`
`07:48.53`	`JeffM2501`	`that's how linux works`
`07:48.54`	`purple_cow`	`sweet zombie jesus, an HP-UX port?`
`07:48.56`	`Cowpat1989`	`ok`
`07:49.07`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, aperantly`
`07:49.15`	`Cowpat1989`	`another thing, how do we configure it?`
`07:49.23`	`purple_cow`	`i didn't know anyone still used HP-UX`
`07:49.42`	`JeffM2501`	`aperantly`
`07:49.56`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, do you know where libtool shoves plugins when it makes them?`
`07:51.25`	`Cowpat1989`	`thanks for your help JeffM2501`
`07:51.32`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`07:51.34`	`purple_cow`	`nope. i haven't looked at plugins since brlcad went all libtool-happy`
`07:51.44`	`purple_cow`	`maybe a .libs dir?`
`07:51.55`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah got one of those`
`07:52.14`	`JeffM2501`	`has a .a .la and .lai`
`07:52.17`	`JeffM2501`	`in it`
`07:52.39`	`learner`	`tupone tied plugins to the enable-shared flag, add that and it'll make them there plugins`
`07:52.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I ran make in the plugins dir myself`
`07:53.00`	`JeffM2501`	`shold that not make them?`
`07:53.09`	`learner`	`you have to ./configure --enable-shared`
`07:53.34`	`JeffM2501`	`why is it not the default?`
`07:53.36`	`purple_cow`	`that seems like an unintuitive flag`
`07:53.37`	`learner`	`i have a fix going in that makes that not necessary, but it's not done yet`
`07:53.54`	`learner`	`purple_cow, no kidding`
`07:53.57`	`JeffM2501`	`does the OSX stuff still link with X11 ?`
`07:54.12`	`learner`	`yep`
`07:54.22`	`JeffM2501`	`so I go in the makefile and remove the X_ stuff?`
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`07:54.43`	`learner`	`or move your X11 out of the way when you configure`
`07:54.56`	`learner`	`mv /usr/X11R6 /usr/X11R6.backup`
`07:55.02`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh`
`07:55.58`	`JeffM2501`	`when it builds the plugins where will they go?`
`07:56.21`	`learner`	`pre-install, they will be in the .libs dirs`
`07:56.30`	`JeffM2501`	`they will end in .dylib?`
`07:56.36`	`learner`	`yes`
`07:56.38`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`07:56.43`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm trying to make a dmg :)`
`07:56.56`	`JeffM2501`	`with background picture :)`
`07:57.04`	`purple_cow`	`.dylib?`
`07:57.11`	`purple_cow`	`what heroin-crazed monkey came up with that?`
`07:57.20`	`JeffM2501`	`they thought difrent`
`07:57.37`	`purple_cow`	`hehe`
`07:57.45`	`learner`	`well, they're not shared object files in the traditional sense`
`07:57.56`	`learner`	`they're dynamicly linked object files :)`
`07:58.15`	`JeffM2501`	`all I wan to do is shove them into a folder in this dmg`
`07:58.20`	`learner`	`difference in their runtime behaviors`
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`07:59.16`	`purple_cow`	`learner: that doesn't matter. it's a ridiculous extension`
`08:01.39`	`learner`	`shrug, coulda named em .kittens for all I care`
`08:02.54`	`learner`	`oh and you know what.. it might not make files named .dylib now that I think of it`
`08:02.54`	`JeffM2501`	`oh and cvs dosn't have the plist info thing learner`
`08:03.03`	`JeffM2501`	`had to grab one from the existing app`
`08:03.18`	`JeffM2501`	`what will they be named?`
`08:03.23`	`learner`	`since the module flag was added, that allows libtool to break the conventional names, and .so's are made`
`08:03.47`	`learner`	`since the intent is to run-time load them instead of link against them`
`08:03.55`	`learner`	`forgot about that`
`08:03.56`	`JeffM2501`	`is it ok to leave them .so then?`
`08:04.03`	`learner`	`yeah, iirc`
`08:04.17`	`learner`	`did that so they'd be more consistent if only in naming`
`08:05.01`	`learner`	`technically they're still .dylib format, but named .so since it doesn't matter what they are named as the linker doesn't see them`
`08:05.12`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`08:05.19`	`learner`	`plist info thing?`
`08:05.34`	`JeffM2501`	`the xcode project wanted a file`
`08:05.36`	`JeffM2501`	`that was missing`
`08:05.50`	`learner`	`that should have been generated`
`08:05.57`	`JeffM2501`	`hmmm`
`08:06.01`	`JeffM2501`	`wasn't for some reason`
`08:06.16`	`JeffM2501`	`coulda been me tho`
`08:07.34`	`learner`	`there's a sample info plist in src/platform/MacOSX`
`08:07.44`	`purple_cow`	`.kittens would have been good`
`08:07.48`	`learner`	`as well as a mkplist.cxx program that jb wrote that auto-generates them`
`08:08.24`	`learner`	`the .xcode project uses one of those two methods, forget which`
`08:33.40`	`JeffM2501`	`any way to make the finder show hidden . dirs?`
`08:47.39`	`JeffM2501`	`learner, I just posted the dmg I made`
`08:47.51`	`JeffM2501`	`tried some difrent stuff in the packae`
`08:47.57`	`JeffM2501`	`see how people like it`
`08:48.25`	`JeffM2501`	`http://my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/bzflag-2.0.5p.2005.11.02.dmg`
`08:48.42`	`JeffM2501`	`man pages as HTML like windows, misc dir, plugins stuff like that`
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`12:27.43`	`cerveni`	`First: I don't speak English very well. but I'm interesting how to create custom map width _set function. when I sarted map width _set mountins 1 BZFS tell me BZDB error.`
`12:30.21`	`ruskie`	`cerveni, do you have an options ... end block in your bzw map?`
`12:30.39`	`ruskie`	`if not put it in`
`12:30.44`	`ruskie`	`then you need to do this...`
`12:30.50`	`ruskie`	`-set _wingsJumpCount 3`
`12:30.58`	`ruskie`	`as an example`
`12:31.00`	`ruskie`	`in that block`
`12:31.38`	`ruskie`	`that's basicaly all I can help you with`
`12:37.00`	`cerveni`	`I donload original map file from other server and i want to play that map, I dont remmemer webadress , I save-it like new.bzw.`
`12:37.54`	`cerveni`	`Under file have vertex, material and other variables`
`12:38.53`	`cerveni`	`options`
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`12:38.54`	`cerveni`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:38.54`	`cerveni`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:38.54`	`cerveni`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:38.54`	`cerveni`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:38.56`	`cerveni`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:38.58`	`cerveni`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:39.00`	`cerveni`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:39.02`	`cerveni`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:39.04`	`cerveni`	`end`
`12:39.06`	`cerveni`	`-set _drawCelestial 1`
`12:39.10`	`cerveni`	`-set _drawClouds 1`
`12:39.17`	`cerveni`	`-set _drawGround 1`
`12:39.37`	`cerveni`	`-set _drawMountains 1`
`12:39.41`	`cerveni`	`-set _drawSky 1`
`12:40.28`	`cerveni`	`I have "end" at end block.`
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`12:43.39`	`ruskie`	`well those -sets you have after that end`
`12:43.43`	`ruskie`	`those should be before that end`
`12:44.39`	`trepan`	`and they're redundant, in two different ways`
`12:46.13`	`trepan`	`redundant: Exceeding what is natural or necessary`
`12:48.35`	`trepan`	`cerveni: what version of bzfs do you have? 'bzfs -version'`
`12:49.29`	`cerveni`	`I have 2.02 for linux, I install that in FC3`
`12:50.13`	`trepan`	`some of those variables don't exit in 2.0.2, and must be removed from the map`
`12:50.20`	`trepan`	`(or you could upgrade to 2.0.4)`
`12:50.39`	`trepan`	`the _drawXXX variables do not exist in 2.0.2, iirc`
`12:51.22`	`cerveni`	`Just download new version from bzflag server.`
`12:52.57`	`cerveni`	`Thank's`
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`14:50.38`	`TheRedBaron`	`that ws my question`
`14:51.14`	`TheRedBaron`	`*was`
`14:51.24`	`meacan`	`it looks like he is gathering backlinks to his site.`
`14:51.30`	`meacan`	`collecting*`
`14:55.44`	`trepan`	`smells like a bot`
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`15:09.39`	`brad2901`	`flag676 appears to be Super Tanker`
`15:10.24`	`brad2901`	`or maybe not :P`
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`15:15.35`	`TheRedBaron`	`You're aren't getting away with it that easy...`
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`15:16.00`	`ToughShooter`	`trepan: I saw another Mac user with 2.0.4 STABLE got stuck on my testcase, too`
`15:16.15`	`trepan`	`ToughShooter: ok`
`15:16.22`	`ToughShooter`	`What needs to be done to get it fixed?`
`15:16.50`	`ToughShooter`	`nI see "sealed" showing up one little part of second when I jump on the map`
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`15:20.09`	`trepan`	`ToughShooter: find someone who is willing to fix it`
`15:20.23`	`trepan`	`i'm not going to remotely debug that problem`
`15:20.43`	`ToughShooter`	`jikes`
`15:23.10`	`ToughShooter`	`trepan: As described replacing the value -90 with 270 in map fixes the problem. Can the map be changed at server or client side to always get 270 instead of -90?`
`15:23.51`	`trepan`	`you've tested all possible cases?`
`15:24.20`	`ToughShooter`	`No, I want to know whether this is possible.`
`15:25.28`	`ToughShooter`	`Then I could look inside the code and try to change that and look at results but I think you know code better right now.`
`15:26.23`	`ToughShooter`	`ok :(`
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`16:01.25`	`Inferno285`	`makeing the bz source on solaris I'm getting the error: "ld: fatal: file /opt/sfw/opt/sparcv9/libstdc++.so"`
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`16:02.20`	`Inferno285`	`....": wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64"`
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`16:09.46`	`Inferno285`	`...a very specific error...can I tell Makefile where to get "libstdc++.so" from?`
`16:10.51`	`devster`	`does it say it cant find it ?`
`16:11.56`	`Inferno285`	`it gets an error when "libtooling" it.`
`16:13.08`	`devster`	`it would help more if you pasted more output (see topic)`
`16:14.39`	`Inferno285`	`scroll up`
`16:15.03`	`Inferno285`	`font size="2"> Inferno285: makeing the bz source on solaris I'm getting the error: "ld: fatal: file /opt/sfw/opt/sparcv9/libstdc++.so"`
`16:15.29`	`devster`	`is that the only line that gives any indication to the problem?`
`16:15.43`	`Inferno285`	`yeh`
`16:17.03`	`devster`	`google not give any help?`
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`17:29.54`	`brlcad`	`Inferno285: you're compiling in 32bit mode and apparently linking against a 64bit library`
`17:30.07`	`brlcad`	`you have to stick to either 32bit or 64bit`
`17:30.33`	`brlcad`	`probably easiest is to add a linker flag for 32bit, maybe try: gmake LDFLAGS=-m32`
`17:31.19`	`brlcad`	`if that doesn't work, there's a variety of other things that should work`
`17:36.36`	`brlcad`	`you probably will have to 'gmake clean' then 'gmake CFLAGS=-m32' first too`
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`17:51.15`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: I'm awake`
`17:51.26`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`17:51.37`	`JeffM2501`	`how does it feel?`
`17:52.18`	`DTRemenak`	`surprisingly refreshing :)`
`17:52.36`	`DTRemenak`	`<JeffM2501> {#bzflag} DTRemenak, you awake?`
`17:53.47`	`JeffM2501`	`I know`
`17:53.55`	`JeffM2501`	`that was last night tho`
`17:53.58`	`JeffM2501`	`:)`
`17:54.08`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, but I wasn't awake :)`
`17:54.14`	`JeffM2501`	`I gathered that`
`17:54.21`	`JeffM2501`	`learner answerd me up`
`17:54.27`	`JeffM2501`	`was building plugins on the tosh`
`17:54.33`	`JeffM2501`	`with yon libtool`
`17:54.49`	`DTRemenak`	`and you thought I could help? heh`
`17:55.05`	`JeffM2501`	`well you would have posibly known where libtool puts its libs`
`17:55.14`	`JeffM2501`	`and given me a hint in the right directon`
`17:55.26`	`JeffM2501`	`so it was worth a shot`
`17:55.35`	`JeffM2501`	`you are kinda smart ya know :)`
`17:55.44`	`DTRemenak`	`I have no idea :) I strongly dislike libtool and haven't used a mac in years :)`
`17:55.55`	`JeffM2501`	`it ended up being the same as linux`
`17:55.59`	`JeffM2501`	`so you may have known`
`17:56.06`	`JeffM2501`	`but I was reaching`
`17:56.08`	`JeffM2501`	`it was late`
`17:56.19`	`JeffM2501`	`I had jus watched Star wars, and my spirit was broken`
`17:56.23`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`17:56.29`	`DTRemenak`	`watched all six in a row?`
`17:56.37`	`JeffM2501`	`no just ep3`
`17:56.44`	`JeffM2501`	`man did that movie suck`
`17:57.19`	`JeffM2501`	`you probably should for completeness and some of the cg scense are good`
`17:57.26`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, I should`
`17:57.29`	`DTRemenak`	`just haven't :)`
`17:57.34`	`JeffM2501`	`but man not the way I would have done it all`
`17:57.54`	`JeffM2501`	`you should see clonewars if you haven't`
`17:57.57`	`JeffM2501`	`they are very good`
`17:58.07`	`_tom`	`I'm not an autotools guy, so there's a bit of hackery DTRemenak`
`17:58.09`	`DTRemenak`	`clonewars?`
`17:58.12`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`17:58.25`	`JeffM2501`	`cartoon network micorseries`
`17:58.34`	`JeffM2501`	`it's what the movie should have been`
`17:59.05`	`DTRemenak`	`_tom: understandable. mostly I'm curious :)`
`18:00.00`	`_tom`	`ahh. HP has gotten a lot less crappy over time. its almost posix compliant now`
`18:00.27`	`DTRemenak`	`I love it when people say their platform of choice "has gotten a lot less crappy" ;)`
`18:00.34`	`_tom`	`still the buggiest of the platforms I target (and I work on MS)`
`18:00.38`	`DTRemenak`	`~hpux`
`18:00.39`	`ibot`	`it has been said that hpux is the worst of all unices out there (except for SCO of course), or more evil than AIX, or extremely painful`
`18:00.53`	`JeffM2501`	`"version 10.2, it sucks a lot less"`
`18:00.54`	`DTRemenak`	`ibot doesn't have a very high opinion`
`18:00.57`	`JeffM2501`	`you don't see that in an ad`
`18:01.08`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: you do from microsoft, if you read between the lines`
`18:01.11`	`_tom`	`my platform of choice is definitely not HP. my company's legacy`
`18:01.13`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`18:01.45`	`DTRemenak`	`"Windows 98 is more stable than its predecessors, and includes additional diagnostic and monitoring tools..." -> "It still crashes a lot."`
`18:01.49`	`JeffM2501`	`I think you can read that in any product if you read between the lines`
`18:02.31`	`JeffM2501`	`wonder if I could have stickers made that said "now with less suck!"`
`18:04.30`	`JeffM2501`	`well at least I finaly made an OSX version that seems to work for at least some people`
`18:04.53`	`JeffM2501`	`even did one of brlcads little window background images in the DMG :)`
`18:05.35`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`18:05.46`	`JeffM2501`	`and a set of plugins and docs and stuff`
`18:11.33`	`DTRemenak`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:11.35`	`DTRemenak`	`heh :)`
`18:12.04`	`DTRemenak`	`AIX and Solaris require it to be the other way around :)`
`18:12.40`	`_tom`	`so, my biggest issue with the hp port is color`
`18:12.58`	`DTRemenak`	`looks like you haven't done sound yet`
`18:13.04`	`_tom`	`nah, no speakers :)`
`18:13.06`	`DTRemenak`	`that'll be a big task`
`18:13.08`	`DTRemenak`	`heh :)`
`18:13.17`	`DTRemenak`	`what's up with the color?`
`18:13.18`	`JeffM2501`	`there isn't an SDL for hpunix?`
`18:13.19`	`_tom`	`I figured I'd get to it if someone was interested`
`18:13.26`	`_tom`	`haven't tried SDL JeffM2501`
`18:13.37`	`JeffM2501`	`it may help you out`
`18:13.42`	`JeffM2501`	`most platforms are using it now`
`18:13.51`	`_tom`	`basically, buildings and tanks do a semi-random downgrade to primary colors`
`18:14.02`	`_tom`	`sky, ground, walls all look fine`
`18:14.07`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, interesting. running out of texture memory?`
`18:14.38`	`_tom`	`I've got a very beefy machine`
`18:14.54`	`_tom`	`SDL is available, I'll try it out`
`18:15.29`	`_tom`	`eww, they built is with Mesa`
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`18:15.34`	`_tom`	`I'll have to grab the source`
`18:15.36`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`18:17.34`	`JeffM2501`	`if your HP gl is wacky, you may only want to use SDL for sound and input and stuff`
`18:18.07`	`_tom`	`HP Gl is usually great, I've got an ATI FireGl card`
`18:18.14`	`JeffM2501`	`oh`
`18:18.15`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm sorry`
`18:18.16`	`_tom`	`I'm guessing its just some configuration issue`
`18:18.26`	`_tom`	`heh`
`18:18.37`	`_tom`	`not an ATI fan?`
`18:18.38`	`ToughShooter`	`JeffM2501: Do you have linux on your mini?`
`18:18.39`	`JeffM2501`	`we loathe the firegl card here`
`18:18.45`	`_tom`	`:-\|`
`18:18.46`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, no`
`18:19.03`	`JeffM2501`	`the fireGL is the worst "high end" card we tested`
`18:19.16`	`JeffM2501`	`tho maybe your drivers are better`
`18:19.19`	`JeffM2501`	`we are under windows`
`18:19.30`	`DTRemenak`	`_tom: in his context, "here" is his workplace (CAD/CAM stuff), not "here" as in #bzflag`
`18:19.33`	`_tom`	`well, out of the box, its probably not`
`18:19.34`	`JeffM2501`	`ToughShooter, why do you ask?`
`18:19.41`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah yeah, sorry not bzflag :)`
`18:19.44`	`_tom`	`ahh`
`18:19.48`	`ToughShooter`	`JeffM2501: I want to find out more about the spin bug`
`18:19.57`	`JeffM2501`	`why does that need linux?`
`18:20.02`	`JeffM2501`	`on a ppc?`
`18:20.14`	`ToughShooter`	`maybe it's due to CPU`
`18:20.33`	`ToughShooter`	`I have seen one linux player who got stuck a while ago`
`18:20.38`	`JeffM2501`	`was he ppc?`
`18:20.47`	`ToughShooter`	`he left before I could ask`
`18:20.54`	`DTRemenak`	`we should send processor arch with MsgVersion`
`18:20.56`	`JeffM2501`	`the only linux ppc person I know is Tim`
`18:21.34`	`gsnedders`	`i was going to install linux here, till I discovered no PowerMac G5 fan drivers`
`18:21.42`	`DTRemenak`	`could send the running windows version too, on windows. would help debug some problems.`
`18:21.52`	`JeffM2501`	`gsnedders, and probably no video drivers`
`18:22.16`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, could send video card info too, but then you start geting too personal`
`18:22.18`	`gsnedders`	`JeffM2501: my 6800 ultra was picked up my the installer`
`18:22.28`	`JeffM2501`	`gsnedders, using the nv driver`
`18:22.35`	`JeffM2501`	`aka, no hardware :)`
`18:22.40`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: gl renderer string is personal? :)`
`18:22.41`	`gsnedders`	`jeffm2501: can't rememebr :)`
`18:22.48`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, I dono`
`18:22.54`	`JeffM2501`	`somone mentioned it may be`
`18:23.03`	`JeffM2501`	`but yes I'd like to know, OS, CPU, and video`
`18:23.07`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe even audio`
`18:23.10`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: I know a number of games which report the gl renderer string back to the server. Steam does too, but that's no excuse for anything.`
`18:23.11`	`JeffM2501`	`be nice stats to have`
`18:23.20`	`ToughShooter`	`brlcad: Can you please take a look at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1344274&group_id=3248&atid=103248 ?`
`18:24.40`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: I'm certainly in favor of a notice that we collect that information, and a config setting to opt out.`
`18:24.54`	`JeffM2501`	`that would be cool`
`18:24.59`	`JeffM2501`	`totaly cool`
`18:25.07`	`JeffM2501`	`I think it would help target things better`
`18:25.35`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501: I'd love to see the list server collecting the information itself. I loathe php though.`
`18:25.55`	`JeffM2501`	`gsnedders, nvidia does not list linux PPC drivers`
`18:26.15`	`JeffM2501`	`so I doubt you'll get any good acceleration over the "nv" drivers or maybe dri`
`18:26.25`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, as do I`
`18:26.55`	`DTRemenak`	`o meeeeennnnnnooootume..... :)`
`18:27.47`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm betting that spelling of it dosn't highlight :)`
`18:28.01`	`Grumbler`	`statistics are always nice`
`18:28.18`	`Grumbler`	`menotume, you quiet slug, wake up`
`18:31.00`	`Grumbler`	`on the star wars comment DTRemenak, neither have i, but at 14.99, i might pick it up just to complete the crappy collection`
`18:31.15`	`JeffM2501`	`that's what I did`
`18:32.00`	`Grumbler`	`...on the "now with more suck"......i suggest "sucks in a different way"`
`18:32.36`	`DTRemenak`	`_tom: most of your hpux stuff looks pretty good. We can do some configure magic to take care of the socklen_t issue and GL detection.`
`18:32.39`	`DTRemenak`	`Where did hpglinterface come from originally? Comments seem to indicate VTK, which is under an LGPL-incompatible license.`
`18:32.41`	`JeffM2501`	`sometimes things just suck the same way, just more`
`18:36.15`	`Grumbler`	`now if we could just get gif animations into bzflag texture mappings.......we could sell advertising..........and as a plus, i could get my animated chicken`
`18:36.43`	`JeffM2501`	`just ask trepan to hook up mp3 support`
`18:36.49`	`JeffM2501`	`then you can have your chicken`
`18:37.05`	`_tom`	`DTRemenak: I found it in a very old post, I'll look around`
`18:37.07`	`JeffM2501`	`make them use a bounding cylinder for collisions`
`18:37.13`	`trepan`	`md3, unless you want compressed chicken sounds`
`18:37.16`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`18:37.22`	`Grumbler`	`heh`
`18:37.24`	`JeffM2501`	`MD3 is the quake model format`
`18:37.35`	`JeffM2501`	`that is what the chicken was in`
`18:37.42`	`JeffM2501`	`from the CTC mod`
`18:38.08`	`trepan`	`you can already do animated textures, although it's a tad expensive`
`18:38.38`	`DTRemenak`	`we still have all the code sitting around`
`18:39.19`	`JeffM2501`	`probably can at some point`
`18:39.25`	`JeffM2501`	`probably should for 2.2`
`18:39.34`	`JeffM2501`	`it's another dependency`
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`18:40.49`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd like to see the 3d part of the sound moved into something that could be abstracted`
`18:40.58`	`JeffM2501`	`to let hardware do it on OSs that can support it`
`18:41.11`	`JeffM2501`	`yet OSs that can't let them use the current software mixing`
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`18:55.59`	`_tom`	`oops, missed the musky meeting`
`18:56.07`	`_tom`	`good thing I dind't have anything to say`
`18:56.12`	`_tom`	`except BZ!`
`18:58.19`	`_tom`	`oops wrong channel, sorry`
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`19:10.44`	`_tom`	`well, DTRemenak, there is no license present in the code and I can't find hide nor hair of where hpglinterface came from. google has failed me :)`
`19:11.03`	`_tom`	`there's no reason Mesa wouldn't work, I just prefer the performance`
`19:11.29`	`DTRemenak`	`ok, whatever :)`
`19:12.46`	`DTRemenak`	`just means we can't really distribute it, since we've got no indication of where it came from`
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`19:13.57`	`installhead`	`admin here for GU`
`19:14.00`	`installhead`	`n??`
`19:14.05`	`installhead`	`hello`
`19:14.13`	`JeffM2501`	`hello`
`19:14.21`	`installhead`	`this is sn0w_m0nkey`
`19:14.29`	`installhead`	`are there admins here for GU server?`
`19:14.30`	`JeffM2501`	`umm ok`
`19:14.30`	`ToughShooter`	`Birdie: ping`
`19:14.39`	`JeffM2501`	`dono`
`19:14.42`	`ToughShooter`	`birdie is one of them, IIRC`
`19:14.50`	`Birdie`	`yes?`
`19:15.00`	`Birdie`	`oh monkey, whats up?`
`19:15.02`	`installhead`	`birdie i need your help`
`19:15.09`	`Birdie`	`yes?`
`19:15.29`	`installhead`	`someone with _sn0w__m0nkey was alias was saying nazi crap`
`19:15.37`	`installhead`	`two underscores...`
`19:15.43`	`installhead`	`my name on GU server`
`19:15.58`	`Birdie`	`still there?`
`19:16.02`	`installhead`	`and someone named roger also related to this`
`19:16.12`	`ToughShooter`	`sounds quite similar to one the one I saw a few days ago`
`19:16.16`	`installhead`	`i would like some help with this`
`19:16.37`	`installhead`	`sn0w__m0nkey, two underscores`
`19:16.40`	`ToughShooter`	`installhead: I'm curious: Had he around 200ms lag?`
`19:16.54`	`Birdie`	`he isnt there anymore`
`19:16.57`	`Birdie`	`but i'll make a report`
`19:17.04`	`installhead`	`please would you`
`19:17.10`	`installhead`	`and roger as well`
`19:17.14`	`ToughShooter`	`installhead: That's the lag I noticed for the one who teamkilled and impersonated me`
`19:17.33`	`Birdie`	`k`
`19:17.41`	`Birdie`	`cant promise it will happen soon, on gu everything can go slow:)`
`19:17.45`	`Birdie`	`i'll mail now`
`19:17.45`	`ToughShooter`	`for me it was two o`
`19:17.58`	`JeffM2501`	`global reg is your friend :)`
`19:18.00`	`installhead`	`ok, i think i will not play there for awhile`
`19:18.07`	`ToughShooter`	`Birdie: Would you be please so nice and ask for me, too?`
`19:18.16`	`Birdie`	`was it also on gu?`
`19:18.18`	`Birdie`	`around wich time`
`19:18.21`	`ToughShooter`	`nyes`
`19:18.27`	`installhead`	`however i would like to know if this is related to skit and snick`
`19:18.55`	`ToughShooter`	`ahem, I would need two search my log for that but I think it is less than last 2 weeks`
`19:19.11`	`ToughShooter`	`he came after NTH and you left`
`19:19.12`	`gsnedders`	`I've got a problem making BZflag on Mac OS 10.4.3/GCC 4.0.0`
`19:19.27`	`installhead`	`NTH?`
`19:19.30`	`Birdie`	`installhead: they wont go that lame(talking nazi crap)`
`19:19.40`	`installhead`	`i would hope not`
`19:19.45`	`JeffM2501`	`gsnedders, you use fink?`
`19:20.00`	`JeffM2501`	`and I just did a mac build last night`
`19:20.01`	`installhead`	`but nazi stuff is really low`
`19:20.03`	`JeffM2501`	`posted it`
`19:20.06`	`ToughShooter`	`gsnedders: That usually comes when you "repair permissions" from within disk-utility`
`19:20.07`	`gsnedders`	`JeffM2501: we went through this yesterday, and came to the conclusion is wasn't fink`
`19:20.20`	`JeffM2501`	`/sw/lib/libcrypto.0.9.7.dylib`
`19:20.26`	`installhead`	`thnx for your time guys`
`19:20.34`	`JeffM2501`	`/sw is usualy fink`
`19:20.48`	`JeffM2501`	`I know for a fact that it builds just fine on 10.4.3`
`19:21.04`	`JeffM2501`	`something you have is looking for stuff in /sw`
`19:21.06`	`JeffM2501`	`and not finding it`
`19:21.20`	`Birdie`	`thoughshooter: tell me when you find it, i'll sent it in it to than`
`19:21.26`	`gsnedders`	`then what do I do`
`19:21.29`	`gsnedders`	`reinstall fink?`
`19:21.35`	`JeffM2501`	`no fink is evil`
`19:21.42`	`JeffM2501`	`it looks like you have a fink linked libcurl`
`19:21.43`	`JeffM2501`	`somewhere`
`19:21.44`	`ToughShooter`	`gsnedders: When you tried to "repair permissions" you can try to uninstall and reinstall dev tools`
`19:21.50`	`JeffM2501`	`libssl is a dead give away`
`19:22.18`	`gsnedders`	`reinstall dev tools? :(`
`19:22.24`	`JeffM2501`	`gsnedders, do you just want a 2.0.5 build?`
`19:22.28`	`ToughShooter`	`but when not used "repair permissions" it's nonsense to reinstall`
`19:22.44`	`JeffM2501`	`where is your libcurl from?`
`19:22.54`	`gsnedders`	`might of come from fink a long time ago`
`19:23.04`	`JeffM2501`	`that would be bad`
`19:23.21`	`JeffM2501`	`it is looking for other libs in the fink places`
`19:23.33`	`JeffM2501`	`what do you have in /sw ?`
`19:23.37`	`gsnedders`	`nothing.`
`19:23.41`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm`
`19:23.46`	`gsnedders`	`uninstalled fink`
`19:23.51`	`JeffM2501`	`did you ever manualy shuffle libs around?`
`19:23.54`	`gsnedders`	`nope`
`19:23.55`	`JeffM2501`	`in the past?`
`19:23.58`	`gsnedders`	`never.`
`19:24.04`	`JeffM2501`	`or try to build your own libcurl?`
`19:24.14`	`gsnedders`	`ummm...`
`19:24.26`	`gsnedders`	`might of done, although i don't think i did`
`19:24.41`	`JeffM2501`	`cleaing out libs is a pita`
`19:24.46`	`JeffM2501`	`if you jsut want a build I posted one`
`19:24.47`	`JeffM2501`	`http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=57700#57700`
`19:24.55`	`gsnedders`	`nope: got a couple of patches.`
`19:25.14`	`JeffM2501`	`patches?`
`19:26.09`	`gsnedders`	`to identify a couple of groups on viper's`
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`19:27.34`	`JeffM2501`	`then you'll need to find out what libs your linking that want libs in sw`
`19:27.43`	`JeffM2501`	`to me it looks like your libcurl`
`19:28.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd see how many you have`
`19:28.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I know for a fact that it builds just fine on a normal 10.4 install`
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`19:28.43`	`gsnedders`	`any way to get it back to the OS X default?`
`19:28.43`	`gsnedders`	`short of a reinstall?`
`19:28.43`	`JeffM2501`	`I did it like 5 times last night :)`
`19:28.43`	`JeffM2501`	`dono`
`19:28.57`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm not an OSX system expert`
`19:28.59`	`BearPerson`	`gsnedders, I'd try doing the macos equivalent of "ldconfig" first`
`19:29.13`	`JeffM2501`	`if It was my system with the problem I'd find all my libcurls`
`19:29.19`	`JeffM2501`	`and remove any non apple ones`
`19:29.51`	`JeffM2501`	`BearPerson, if you can't tell him the exact command he's not going to be able to do it`
`19:30.03`	`BearPerson`	`/sbin/ldconfig`
`19:30.04`	`BearPerson`	`on linux`
`19:30.12`	`JeffM2501`	`OSX is not linux`
`19:30.16`	`BearPerson`	`dunno if os X has something that does the same`
`19:30.22`	`BearPerson`	`updates /etc/ld.so.cache`
`19:30.32`	`BearPerson`	`and creates a few symlinks in */lib`
`19:30.39`	`JeffM2501`	`they probalby have a tool for it, but OSX dosn't use .so files`
`19:30.47`	`JeffM2501`	`it's all dylib stuff`
`19:31.03`	`gsnedders`	`jeffm2501: got libcurl in: /Devloper/SDKs/*/usr/lib and /usr/lib`
`19:31.20`	`JeffM2501`	`check your path and find out what one it gets first`
`19:31.30`	`gsnedders`	`how?`
`19:31.31`	`BearPerson`	`looks to me like -lssl and/or -lcrypto don't get found`
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`19:33.35`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah tha'ts his problem`
`19:33.43`	`JeffM2501`	`makes me think his libcurl linked against them`
`19:33.47`	`JeffM2501`	`gsnedders, export path`
`19:34.07`	`gsnedders`	`just in a new terminal?`
`19:34.09`	`gsnedders`	`or where?`
`19:34.17`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`19:34.27`	`JeffM2501`	`tho if this is over your head a reinstall may be best`
`19:34.28`	`gsnedders`	`nothing comes up`
`19:34.36`	`JeffM2501`	`if you screw up you can jack your machine`
`19:35.17`	`gsnedders`	`problem is i don't particulary want to reinstall, and have to reinstall all of my other apps`
`19:35.39`	`JeffM2501`	`well then you may just have to go do some reasearch on how to fix lib problems in OSX`
`19:35.44`	`JeffM2501`	`there is no magic easy answer`
`19:35.50`	`JeffM2501`	`you are doing developemnt`
`19:36.41`	`gsnedders`	`fuck it. as much as i hate fink, it should at least work with it installed.`
`19:36.49`	`JeffM2501`	`please watch your language`
`19:36.54`	`gsnedders`	`sorry...`
`19:37.02`	`JeffM2501`	`fink installs things that are incompatable with the apple libs`
`19:37.11`	`JeffM2501`	`how do you expect that to work?`
`19:38.24`	`JeffM2501`	`you could try replacing the one in your usr/lib with a copy from the dev SDK thing, but it's just a guess and could screw up stuff`
`19:38.28`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd make a back up first`
`19:38.46`	`JeffM2501`	`now when you said you "uninstalled" fink, did you use an uninstall tool? or just throw away the dir?`
`19:39.34`	`gsnedders`	`on the fink website, it says to just delete /sw`
`19:39.50`	`JeffM2501`	`well that could have removed too much`
`19:40.04`	`JeffM2501`	`you may want to see if your OSX disks have a "repair" function`
`19:40.06`	`JeffM2501`	`and try that`
`19:40.15`	`JeffM2501`	`then do the same with dev tools`
`19:40.21`	`JeffM2501`	`that sould not make you reinstall your apps`
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`19:58.02`	`Inferno285`	`Aribeth: ping`
`19:59.52`	`Aribeth`	`pong`
`20:00.22`	`Aribeth`	`inferno285 pong`
`20:01.01`	`Aribeth`	`inferno285 ping`
`20:01.30`	`Aribeth`	`hummm...no one home`
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`20:02.46`	`gsnedders`	`here's the good news: no more errors about stuff in /sw not being found`
`20:02.52`	`gsnedders`	`bad news: http://geoffers.uni.cc/bz.txt`
`20:02.57`	`gsnedders`	`new errors :(`
`20:09.00`	`gsnedders`	`is this better or worse? :P`
`20:14.21`	`Tupone`	`gsnedders: what OS is again ?`
`20:14.27`	`gsnedders`	`Mac OS 10.4.3`
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`20:14.48`	`Tupone`	`would you mind trying configuring adding --without-regex`
`20:15.15`	`Tupone`	`well, not mandatory, do it as you like`
`20:15.25`	`gsnedders`	`why does BZflag have regex?`
`20:15.33`	`Tupone`	`aww`
`20:15.45`	`ToughShooter`	`I have the paranoid feeling you need to use the uninstall script that comes with devtools and then reinstall it from CD`
`20:16.02`	`gsnedders`	`i'll try that if this fails.`
`20:16.39`	`Tupone`	`gsnedders: regex will not fix it, just a partial fix, more else is there`
`20:17.17`	`SportChick`	`grrr - anyone have any idea why a PM I sent on bzbb is still sitting in my outbox 2 days later?`
`20:17.39`	`ToughShooter`	`The one hadn't checked mail or hadn't logged in probably`
`20:24.06`	`gsnedders`	`Tupone: http://geoffers.uni.cc/bz.txt`
`20:25.18`	`Tupone`	`gsnedders: your curl installation is broken`
`20:25.22`	`Tupone`	`probably`
`20:25.43`	`Tupone`	`better you check with some MacOS'ed guys`
`20:26.33`	`_Manu_`	`gsnedders, hi`
`20:26.41`	`gsnedders`	`hi`
`20:26.59`	`gsnedders`	`i've got a libcurl.a in /usr/lib, but not /usr/bin`
`20:27.31`	`Tupone`	`do you have curl-config?`
`20:28.09`	`_Manu_`	`it's ok in lib directory.. it's a lib not a program`
`20:29.21`	`gsnedders`	`Tupone: yeah`
`20:29.31`	`Tupone`	`where it is ?`
`20:29.40`	`gsnedders`	`_Manu_: then why's it looking for it in /usr/bin?`
`20:29.53`	`ToughShooter`	`_Manu_: One time I have seen /usr/lib/bin on a friends debian installation ;)`
`20:30.01`	`_Manu_`	`because it's bad configured/installed`
`20:30.04`	`gsnedders`	`Tupone: /usr/bin`
`20:30.05`	`_Manu_`	`ToughShooter, sure :)`
`20:30.09`	`Tupone`	`curl-config --libs`
`20:30.23`	`gsnedders`	`-L/usr/lib -lcurl -L/sw/lib -lssl -lcrypto -lssl -lcrypto -lz`
`20:30.40`	`gsnedders`	`the /sw no longer exists`
`20:31.10`	`Tupone`	`it does not seems it apply those. Perhaps you have to clean the cache :/`
`20:31.22`	`gsnedders`	`how?`
`20:31.32`	`Tupone`	`perhaps you have another curl-config in some other place that is chosen instead of this`
`20:32.02`	`gsnedders`	`nope, only one curl-config`
`20:32.05`	`ToughShooter`	`curl-config should be at /usr/bin/curl-config`
`20:32.14`	`gsnedders`	`that\s the only place it is.`
`20:33.41`	`_Manu_`	`gsnedders, probably you must uninstall libcurl.. and revise your steps to install it`
`20:33.42`	`Tupone`	`bzpastebin your config.log`
`20:34.13`	`gsnedders`	`bzpastebin?`
`20:34.15`	`gsnedders`	`where?`
`20:34.22`	`gsnedders`	`duh`
`20:34.26`	`gsnedders`	`:)`
`20:34.54`	`_Manu_`	`heh`
`20:35.12`	`gsnedders`	`too big for bzpastebin`
`20:35.23`	`_Manu_`	`~pastebin`
`20:35.26`	`ibot`	`[pastebin] a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca/`
`20:35.27`	`Tupone`	`nope`
`20:35.38`	`Tupone`	`you should upload as a file`
`20:35.47`	`Tupone`	`~bzpastebin`
`20:35.50`	`ibot`	`bzpastebin is, like, a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/`
`20:35.59`	`Tupone`	`:)`
`20:36.00`	`gsnedders`	`"We did say the maximum allowable file size is 60,000 bytes. You sent us a file that is too big. Sorry, it is being ignored."`
`20:36.14`	`_Manu_`	`you can split it`
`20:36.16`	`_Manu_`	`:)`
`20:36.17`	`Tupone`	`60Kbytes? confi.log`
`20:36.26`	`gsnedders`	`config.log`
`20:36.33`	`gsnedders`	`116KB`
`20:36.53`	`Tupone`	`yep, split that in two`
`20:37.14`	`Tupone`	`well, you could upload to your site too`
`20:37.19`	`gsnedders`	`http://pastebin.ca/27530`
`20:37.28`	`gsnedders`	`copy and paste works wonders :)`
`20:38.15`	`gsnedders`	`need to get rid of all the references to /sw somehow...`
`20:38.43`	`Tupone`	`/usr/bin/libcurl.a ?`
`20:38.52`	`Tupone`	`what is that?`
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`20:38.59`	`gsnedders`	`i dunno`
`20:39.08`	`gsnedders`	`doesn't exist, whatever it is.`
`20:39.23`	`_Manu_`	`is really libcurl.a at /usr/bin?`
`20:39.35`	`gsnedders`	`no`
`20:39.46`	`_Manu_`	`so it's a bad curl installation`
`20:40.07`	`Death_Barrel`	`http://www.factorypro.com/media/yesyesyes.wmv`
`20:40.21`	`_Manu_`	`libcurl.a is the static version of libcurl`
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`20:42.41`	`Inferno285`	`Aribeth: ok, I'm back sry...`
`20:42.54`	`Aribeth`	`np`
`20:43.19`	`Aribeth`	`whats up?`
`20:43.57`	`Inferno285`	`do you know abouth the"wrong ELF class" error?`
`20:43.57`	`Aribeth`	`no`
`20:44.09`	`Inferno285`	`:o`
`20:44.19`	`JeffM2501`	`like ranger insted of wizard?`
`20:44.33`	`JeffM2501`	`elven clerics are just wrong`
`20:44.53`	`Inferno285`	`well I know that it is related to 64 bit processor files vs 32 bit`
`20:45.00`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`20:45.03`	`Aribeth`	`hehe`
`20:45.13`	`JeffM2501`	`you are trying to run the wrong one for your hardware`
`20:45.30`	`Inferno285`	`yeh, but bzflag is the evil runner`
`20:45.33`	`Inferno285`	`:P`
`20:45.45`	`JeffM2501`	`you have the wrong one then`
`20:46.01`	`Inferno285`	`I have 2 copies, on e for 32 and one for 64`
`20:46.04`	`JeffM2501`	`or it's using libs from a 32bit lib`
`20:46.09`	`JeffM2501`	`http://pari.math.u-bordeaux.fr/archives/pari-dev-0310/msg00034.html`
`20:46.12`	`JeffM2501`	`google is your friend man`
`20:46.22`	`Inferno285`	`I googled it already`
`20:46.53`	`JeffM2501`	`then you should know what the problem is`
`20:47.24`	`JeffM2501`	`you are on 64 bit solaris?`
`20:47.39`	`Inferno285`	`I do, but I don't know how to make bzflag run a different file`
`20:47.41`	`Inferno285`	`32...`
`20:47.58`	`JeffM2501`	`are you tring to run the 64 bit versioin of bzflag?`
`20:48.09`	`JeffM2501`	`bzflag dosn't "run" files`
`20:48.11`	`Inferno285`	`huh?`
`20:48.13`	`JeffM2501`	`you run the bzflag file`
`20:48.41`	`JeffM2501`	`the bzflag executable you are running, was it built for 32 bit or 64?`
`20:48.43`	`Inferno285`	`yeh your right..that's why I asked aribeth, solaris expert`
`20:48.56`	`Inferno285`	`Jeff, I have no idea.`
`20:49.03`	`JeffM2501`	`where did you get it?`
`20:49.47`	`Inferno285`	`just a sec`
`20:49.51`	`Aribeth`	`inferno285, you will need to find out`
`20:50.05`	`Inferno285`	`find out hat?`
`20:50.08`	`Inferno285`	`what`
`20:50.20`	`JeffM2501`	`what your exe is`
`20:50.26`	`JeffM2501`	`where did you get it?`
`20:50.39`	`Aribeth`	`lol`
`20:50.58`	`Inferno285`	`looking`
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`20:54.24`	`Inferno285`	`did A firefox history search..whew...http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.4.20050930.tar.bz2?use_mirror=easynews`
`20:54.26`	`SilentSwan`	`hmm`
`20:54.35`	`JeffM2501`	`so you built it?`
`20:54.40`	`JeffM2501`	`that's all you had to say`
`20:54.55`	`Inferno285`	`I "./configured" it!`
`20:55.03`	`JeffM2501`	`that is part of building`
`20:55.13`	`JeffM2501`	`you did the autogen then config then make?`
`20:55.15`	`Inferno285`	`I haven't "make"ed it because of the above error`
`20:55.23`	`Inferno285`	`yeh`
`20:55.25`	`JeffM2501`	`ok then what gives you that error?`
`20:55.29`	`JeffM2501`	`what is the exact error`
`20:56.27`	`Inferno285`	`"ld: fatal: file /opt/sfw/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64"`
`20:56.43`	`JeffM2501`	`your libc is not the right one for your OS`
`20:56.48`	`JeffM2501`	`you need to fix that`
`20:57.01`	`JeffM2501`	`probably a 64 bit lib c`
`20:57.07`	`JeffM2501`	`on a 32 bit system`
`20:57.12`	`SilentSwan`	`ah the joys of sfw crap`
`20:57.15`	`Inferno285`	`I have a libc for 32 system too`
`20:57.27`	`JeffM2501`	`then you want it to use that`
`20:57.33`	`Inferno285`	`yeh, how?`
`20:57.40`	`JeffM2501`	`make sure it's first in the path`
`20:57.49`	`JeffM2501`	`why do you have 64 bit libs on a 32 bit system?`
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`20:57.59`	`SilentSwan`	`sparcv9 is 64`
`20:58.01`	`Inferno285`	`caem with :S`
`20:58.16`	`JeffM2501`	`then fix up your OS so it won't use em by default`
`20:58.36`	`Inferno285`	`Aribeth, do you know about that one?`
`20:58.46`	`JeffM2501`	`Lose my head to the chemical freeway, Comin' up on overload`
`20:58.47`	`JeffM2501`	`In a mystic new dimension, Purify and sanctify me`
`20:58.48`	`JeffM2501`	`What, so I'm in no end game, Move my piece right off the board`
`20:58.48`	`JeffM2501`	`Losing sure is easy so I am no more`
`20:58.48`	`JeffM2501`	`But I'm not broken, in my dream I win. In here I'm nothing, a Cosmic Castaway`
`20:59.11`	`Inferno285`	`how do I find if I have 32 or 64?`
`20:59.29`	`JeffM2501`	`you should now by the computer I would think right?`
`20:59.52`	`Inferno285`	`is it...server side or client side?`
`20:59.52`	`Aribeth`	`ok`
`21:00.49`	`Aribeth`	`when you boot do you see a message that says 64 OS installed, but running 32 bit os`
`21:01.10`	`Aribeth`	`do you see that message?`
`21:01.13`	`Inferno285`	`no`
`21:01.56`	`Inferno285`	`again, is CPU server side or client side?`
`21:02.31`	`JeffM2501`	`oh your on your whackass thin client?`
`21:03.16`	`brlcad`	`Inferno285: did you do the two things I said?`
`21:03.30`	`Inferno285`	`which are?`
`21:03.43`	`JeffM2501`	`so that means "no"`
`21:03.47`	`Inferno285`	`I have the "PATH=" yes`
`21:04.02`	`brlcad`	`12:29 <@brlcad> Inferno285: you're compiling in 32bit mode and apparently linking against a 64bit library`
`21:04.05`	`brlcad`	`12:30 <@brlcad> you have to stick to either 32bit or 64bit`
`21:04.07`	`brlcad`	`12:30 <@brlcad> probably easiest is to add a linker flag for 32bit, maybe try: gmake LDFLAGS=-m32`
`21:04.11`	`brlcad`	`12:31 <@brlcad> if that doesn't work, there's a variety of other things that should work`
`21:04.13`	`brlcad`	`12:36 <@brlcad> you probably will have to 'gmake clean' then 'gmake CFLAGS=-m32' first too`
`21:04.31`	`Aribeth`	`yep`
`21:04.43`	`Inferno285`	`I totaly missed that...sry`
`21:04.54`	`brlcad`	`basically, gmake clean, gmake CFLAGS=-m32 LDFLAGS=-m32`
`21:05.25`	`Inferno285`	`running`
`21:05.55`	`Inferno285`	`same error, should I try it with -m64?`
`21:06.08`	`brlcad`	`sure`
`21:06.29`	`brlcad`	`libtool detected XXbit at configure time`
`21:06.47`	`brlcad`	`you could rerun configure with the -m32 as well and/or set the ABI env var iirc`
`21:07.26`	`Inferno285`	`ABI..to what?`
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`21:08.11`	`brlcad`	`try it without it first`
`21:08.15`	`brlcad`	`you'd have to read the ld manpage`
`21:08.53`	`bz1955`	`.`
`21:09.04`	`Inferno285`	`I tried it with 64 and got many more errors, probably meaning it's an 32 bit`
`21:09.17`	`Inferno285`	`so reconfiguring`
`21:09.23`	`brlcad`	`you did a clean beforehand, yes?`
`21:09.29`	`brlcad`	`you must clean before trying anything new`
`21:09.57`	`Inferno285`	`oh, didn't sry, how do I do that?`
`21:10.28`	`brlcad`	`you uhm, run, uhm`
`21:10.30`	`Inferno285`	`delte config.status?`
`21:10.31`	`brlcad`	`gmake clean`
`21:11.11`	`Inferno285`	`timely stuff`
`21:12.11`	`Inferno285`	`BTW, I do edit the makefile to put bzfs at the top of the list so I don't have to wait 30 minutes!`
`21:14.17`	`brlcad`	`bzfs is dependent on several of the libraries that preceed it`
`21:14.35`	`Inferno285`	`could that be it you think?`
`21:14.43`	`Inferno285`	`it's an ELF error...`
`21:15.08`	`brlcad`	`no that's not the elf error, the elf error is inconsistency in your build bitness`
`21:15.26`	`brlcad`	`but that doesn't mean it'll work if it tries to link without it's libraries being built`
`21:16.11`	`Inferno285`	`ok, I'll try it "correctly" will you be here in..say 30 minutes`
`21:21.11`	`Inferno285`	`does it normally take that long?`
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`21:23.02`	`JeffM2501`	`who wants to live forever? who wants to live forever? ... who dares to love forever?`
`21:23.38`	`brlcad`	`i'll see you that dare and raise you two quid`
`21:23.45`	`Aribeth`	`i do, i do, i do :P`
`21:23.59`	`JeffM2501`	`I see your quid and raise you a squid`
`21:24.17`	`Aribeth`	`i see that and rais you a Marine`
`21:24.19`	`Aribeth`	`:P`
`21:24.24`	`Inferno285`	`live forever choke`
`21:24.25`	`JeffM2501`	`is she hot?`
`21:24.34`	`Aribeth`	`yep`
`21:25.19`	`Aribeth`	`i am inmortal inferno285`
`21:25.32`	`Inferno285`	`immortal`
`21:25.44`	`Inferno285`	`I bet you are`
`21:25.50`	`JeffM2501`	`I have inside me blood of kings`
`21:25.52`	`Aribeth`	`oops, corrected my own good spelling`
`21:25.53`	`brlcad`	`Aribeth: sounds kinky`
`21:26.09`	`Aribeth`	`:)`
`21:26.29`	`Aribeth`	`lol`
`21:27.33`	`Aribeth`	`ahhh karma`
`21:28.02`	`Aribeth`	`i must have generated some bad karma for myself in some past life`
`21:28.20`	`Inferno285`	`~karma`
`21:28.20`	`ibot`	`inferno285 has karma of -1`
`21:28.22`	`Aribeth`	`and im paying for it now :P`
`21:28.43`	`Inferno285`	`~karma Aribeth`
`21:28.43`	`ibot`	`aribeth has karma of 25`
`21:28.48`	`Inferno285`	`wow`
`21:28.49`	`Aribeth`	`:)`
`21:28.54`	`JeffM2501`	`~karma JeffM2501`
`21:28.54`	`ibot`	`jeffm2501 has karma of 76`
`21:29.11`	`JeffM2501`	`must get tim to move over the karma from the past life one day`
`21:29.21`	`Aribeth`	`ya`
`21:29.34`	`JeffM2501`	`TimRiker, you you do a karmic transfer?`
`21:29.37`	`Inferno285`	`brlcad, YAY, that worked :)`
`21:29.43`	`TimRiker`	`you you?`
`21:29.50`	`JeffM2501`	`can sorry`
`21:29.51`	`TimRiker`	`=)`
`21:29.57`	`JeffM2501`	`pat -> me :)`
`21:30.07`	`TimRiker`	`additive?`
`21:30.13`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd think so`
`21:30.21`	`JeffM2501`	`he stoped when I started`
`21:30.35`	`JeffM2501`	`he was a bit of an idiot tho`
`21:31.06`	`Aribeth`	`still its your karma jeff`
`21:31.18`	`JeffM2501`	`it is`
`21:31.28`	`JeffM2501`	`tho SC did most of it`
`21:31.30`	`Inferno285`	`next error:`
`21:31.30`	`Inferno285`	*** No rule to make target `../obstacle/libObstacle.la', needed by `bzfs'. Stop.
`21:31.34`	`JeffM2501`	`cus I sent her a puter`
`21:32.23`	`brlcad`	`Inferno285: that's your fault`
`21:32.28`	`brlcad`	`for moving bzfs around`
`21:32.37`	`Inferno285`	`really, COOL!!`
`21:32.38`	`brlcad`	`put it back`
`21:32.42`	`Inferno285`	`I will`
`21:32.48`	`JeffM2501`	`rule 1 of makefile messing, "don't want none.. don't start none"`
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`21:33.22`	`Tupone`	`JeffM2501: how does the autotool learning phase proceed?`
`21:33.37`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, sadly I didn't get time to read much last ngiht`
`21:33.45`	`Inferno285`	`2 hours of nothing, here goes`
`21:33.50`	`JeffM2501`	`watched a bad bad movie`
`21:33.54`	`JeffM2501`	`then did an OSX build`
`21:33.59`	`JeffM2501`	`till the wee hours of the night`
`21:34.02`	`A_Meteorite`	`did it work?`
`21:34.05`	`A_Meteorite`	`;)`
`21:34.09`	`Inferno285`	`~bad movie`
`21:34.10`	`ibot`	`Bad movie, bad! No cookie for you!`
`21:34.12`	`JeffM2501`	`A_Meteorite, you don't read bzbb?`
`21:34.19`	`A_Meteorite`	`yes`
`21:34.26`	`JeffM2501`	`then you know how it went`
`21:34.29`	`A_Meteorite`	`the plugins won't work`
`21:34.40`	`JeffM2501`	`they should`
`21:34.41`	`A_Meteorite`	`on either -loadplugin or /loadplugin`
`21:34.52`	`JeffM2501`	`then that's how it went :)`
`21:35.08`	`A_Meteorite`	`getting error:`
`21:35.22`	`A_Meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:35.31`	`A_Meteorite`	`dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: __Z15bz_debugMessageiPKc`
`21:35.32`	`A_Meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:35.32`	`A_Meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:35.33`	`A_Meteorite`	`dyld: Symbol not found: __Z15bz_debugMessageiPKc`
`21:35.33`	`A_Meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:35.35`	`A_Meteorite`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:35.37`	`A_Meteorite`	`logout`
`21:35.51`	`A_Meteorite`	`that's in the bzfs window`
`21:35.52`	`JeffM2501`	`pastebin man`
`21:35.53`	`JeffM2501`	`pastebin`
`21:35.55`	`A_Meteorite`	`k`
`21:36.08`	`JeffM2501`	`then plugins are busted on the mac`
`21:36.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll rebuild when learner finishes his changes`
`21:36.47`	`A_Meteorite`	`k`
`21:36.52`	`A_Meteorite`	`posting...`
`21:37.05`	`JeffM2501`	`why?`
`21:37.09`	`JeffM2501`	`not like I can fix it`
`21:37.18`	`A_Meteorite`	`just so you can see`
`21:37.26`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't realy care to see`
`21:37.31`	`A_Meteorite`	`oh...`
`21:37.43`	`JeffM2501`	`the makefile changed in regards to how plugins are made`
`21:37.48`	`JeffM2501`	`it is busted`
`21:37.50`	`A_Meteorite`	`ahh`
`21:38.01`	`JeffM2501`	`learner said he was making some changes to it, when he is done, it shoudl work again`
`21:38.03`	`A_Meteorite`	`ok, when it is fixed can you do a new build please?`
`21:38.16`	`JeffM2501`	`<JeffM2501> I'll rebuild when learner finishes his changes`
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`21:38.19`	`TimRiker`	`~karma JeffM2501`
`21:38.19`	`ibot`	`jeffm2501 has karma of 314`
`21:38.25`	`JeffM2501`	`wow`
`21:38.27`	`JeffM2501`	`thanks`
`21:38.28`	`A_Meteorite`	`thank you`
`21:38.30`	`Inferno285`	`JeffM2501, do you do solaris builds?`
`21:38.37`	`JeffM2501`	`Inferno285, no, I use real computers`
`21:38.45`	`TimRiker`	`that other guy has 0 karma now.`
`21:38.52`	`Inferno285`	`~karma`
`21:38.52`	`ibot`	`inferno285 has karma of -1`
`21:39.00`	`JeffM2501`	`death is a natural part of life`
`21:39.05`	`TimRiker`	`=)`
`21:39.08`	`A_Meteorite`	`~karma`
`21:39.08`	`ibot`	`a_meteorite has neutral karma`
`21:39.09`	`JeffM2501`	`it was his time to go`
`21:39.10`	`Inferno285`	`"the other guy" mustn't be me :(`
`21:39.13`	`JeffM2501`	`stupid name anyway`
`21:39.14`	`A_Meteorite`	`lol`
`21:39.15`	`BenUrban`	`~JeffM2501--`
`21:39.16`	`BenUrban`	`that's one...`
`21:39.18`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`21:39.20`	`BenUrban`	`~karma`
`21:39.20`	`ibot`	`benurban has karma of -2`
`21:39.26`	`JeffM2501`	`what was that for?`
`21:39.28`	`Inferno285`	`hehe`
`21:39.33`	`JeffM2501`	`that's not very nice`
`21:39.49`	`Aribeth`	`~lart BenUrban`
`21:39.58`	`A_Meteorite`	`woah`
`21:40.00`	`Inferno285`	`lol`
`21:40.21`	`A_Meteorite`	`isn't there spank?`
`21:40.24`	`Aribeth`	`~ bad BenUrban`
`21:40.26`	`ibot`	`Bad BenUrban, bad! No cookie for you!`
`21:40.30`	`BenUrban`	`~spank A_Meteorite`
`21:40.31`	`ibot`	`ACTION bends A_Meteorite over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on A_Meteorite's pasty white buttocks.`
`21:40.37`	`brlcad`	`that debugMessage symbol isn't related to the changes i made or am making..`
`21:40.42`	`A_Meteorite`	`that's um nice..`
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`21:40.56`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`21:40.57`	`TimRiker`	`ok, lay off the bot and resume bzflag discussions.`
`21:41.03`	`brlcad`	`bz_debugMessage is where?`
`21:41.04`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`21:41.12`	`JeffM2501`	`in the API`
`21:41.14`	`Aribeth`	`~jeffM2501++`
`21:41.14`	`JeffM2501`	`with all the others`
`21:41.18`	`JeffM2501`	`or at least should be`
`21:41.23`	`JeffM2501`	`IIRC it didn't move`
`21:41.24`	`Inferno285`	`Tim, are you an active delevoper?`
`21:41.35`	`BenUrban`	`lmao`
`21:41.38`	`brlcad`	`"in the api" as in src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx?`
`21:41.42`	`JeffM2501`	`tim is the maintainer there skip`
`21:41.46`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah should be`
`21:41.57`	`Aribeth`	`thats like asking the sky if its blue`
`21:42.01`	`BenUrban`	`indeed`
`21:42.09`	`BenUrban`	`though sometimes it's orange`
`21:42.11`	`brlcad`	`still perhaps a valid question :)`
`21:42.15`	`BenUrban`	`oh hi orange`
`21:42.17`	`BenUrban`	`;)`
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`21:42.49`	`JeffM2501`	`huh?`
`21:43.05`	`BenUrban`	`sigh`
`21:43.06`	`BenUrban`	`bad joke`
`21:43.14`	`orange`	`BenUrban: pong`
`21:43.19`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`21:43.22`	`Aribeth`	`hi orange`
`21:43.26`	`JeffM2501`	`lined 1186 in bzfsAPI.cxx`
`21:43.57`	`orange`	`hiya aribeth`
`21:43.57`	`JeffM2501`	`that starts the debug logers`
`21:44.35`	`orange`	`aribeth: http://www.frappr.com/bzflagplayers`
`21:44.42`	`TimRiker`	`~dict active`
`21:45.13`	`Inferno285`	`who is "owner" of ibot?`
`21:45.20`	`orange`	`you guessed it`
`21:45.25`	`TimRiker`	`~owner`
`21:45.27`	`ibot`	`TimRiker is my owner`
`21:45.32`	`BenUrban`	`heh`
`21:45.35`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, wonder if it dosnt like the BZF_API void bz_debugMessagef( int debugLevel, const char* fmt, ... ); one`
`21:45.39`	`Inferno285`	`cool`
`21:45.50`	`TimRiker`	`BenUrban: =)`
`21:46.07`	`BenUrban`	`or something like that ;)`
`21:46.08`	`brlcad`	`ah, hm`
`21:46.23`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: perhaps..`
`21:46.52`	`brlcad`	`the dynamic linker might not be able to discern between the two at runtime even after name mangling.. dunno`
`21:47.02`	`JeffM2501`	`that's the only one I can think that would be nonstandard`
`21:47.15`	`brlcad`	`it is odd that it'd focus on just that one`
`21:47.29`	`JeffM2501`	`probalby the only one used in that plugin`
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`21:47.34`	`JeffM2501`	`I can test it when I get home`
`21:47.43`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll check a plugin and see what it's using`
`21:48.12`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe it needs a more unique name`
`21:48.13`	`brlcad`	`should be able to get rid of the first one`
`21:48.18`	`brlcad`	`the second covers it`
`21:48.30`	`JeffM2501`	`true`
`21:48.38`	`brlcad`	`fmt == message with no va_list`
`21:49.12`	`brlcad`	`oh, but they are named different`
`21:49.14`	`brlcad`	`duh`
`21:49.16`	`JeffM2501`	`then when I get home I'll pull it, and rename`
`21:49.20`	`JeffM2501`	`there arn't that many that use it`
`21:49.24`	`JeffM2501`	`we can just have them change`
`21:49.32`	`JeffM2501`	`it'll be an API version bump tho`
`21:49.33`	`brlcad`	`i didn't notice the f`
`21:49.37`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`21:49.39`	`brlcad`	`it's complaining about the non-f one`
`21:49.43`	`JeffM2501`	`oh`
`21:49.47`	`JeffM2501`	`wierd then`
`21:49.51`	`brlcad`	`yeah`
`21:50.38`	`brlcad`	`so it might be what I was thinking originally, might be the first symbol it encounters`
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`21:51.09`	`brlcad`	`ah, now I remember!`
`21:51.43`	`brlcad`	`the symbols are in the bzfs binary.. but if they strip bzfs, the symbols names are gone and the dynamic linker can't resolve`
`21:52.31`	`JeffM2501`	`how did I "strip" it?`
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`21:56.01`	`prodan`	`moin`
`21:56.48`	`brlcad`	`bzfs would be stripped`
`21:57.18`	`brlcad`	`the bzfs shipped in the distro is/was stripped as it saves loads of megs`
`21:57.33`	`brlcad`	`if he's using that one, he'd get that error`
`21:58.01`	`brlcad`	`some kids just strip it for the sake of stripping even when they build it though too`
`21:58.26`	`brlcad`	`the problem is that bzfsAPI.cxx should be pulled into it's own lib (probably along with the rest of the bzfs) sources`
`21:58.38`	`brlcad`	`and bzfs links against it for resolution, as do the plugins`
`21:58.43`	`brlcad`	`so there is nothing to resolve`
`21:58.50`	`brlcad`	`that should work`
`21:59.26`	`brlcad`	`just requires a lil bit of makefile restructuring, i'll add that in to the new configure stuff for the plugins`
`22:06.45`	`_tom`	`so, earlier, someone suggested SDL would help out with my HP port. I rebuilt with SDL, but don't see any differences? What is SDL supposed to assist with?`
`22:07.20`	`_tom`	`I'm guessing it was related to the fact that I haven't done the sound yet.`
`22:07.48`	`JeffM2501`	`SDL abstracts window, sound, and input`
`22:07.58`	`JeffM2501`	`mostly it coudl help with your sound`
`22:08.12`	`JeffM2501`	`brlcad, he was using the one I build last night`
`22:08.56`	`_tom`	`darn, no magic pill for my color troubles`
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`22:09.22`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: how'd you build?`
`22:09.37`	`brlcad`	`i don't recall if I added stripping to the xcode steps`
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`22:09.57`	`CIA-3`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Fix handicap`
`22:11.40`	`JeffM2501`	`I build with command line`
`22:11.45`	`JeffM2501`	`then ran the xcode`
`22:11.49`	`JeffM2501`	`to do the package`
`22:12.00`	`Inferno285`	`didn't work, what was the 32 option for configure`
`22:12.07`	`JeffM2501`	`configed using --enable-shared`
`22:12.10`	`brlcad`	`here's a question.. how big is the bzfs binary?`
`22:12.23`	`brlcad`	`and if you strip it, does it get any smaller? :)`
`22:12.26`	`JeffM2501`	`it was smaller then I remember`
`22:12.34`	`JeffM2501`	`the entire package was like 16 megs`
`22:12.41`	`JeffM2501`	`IIRC it used to be like in the 30s`
`22:12.46`	`JeffM2501`	`so it may be stripped`
`22:12.48`	`brlcad`	`uncompressed or compressed?`
`22:12.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I just didn't do any manual strip command`
`22:12.59`	`JeffM2501`	`uncompressed`
`22:13.11`	`JeffM2501`	`grab the dmg :)`
`22:13.16`	`JeffM2501`	`I dopn't have a mac here to check`
`22:13.26`	`brlcad`	`oh yeah.. 16mb uncompresssed wouldn't be with symbols`
`22:13.30`	`Pimpi`	`21M`
`22:13.39`	`Inferno285`	`I did "./configure --disable-shared" yes`
`22:13.41`	`JeffM2501`	`the dmg has other stuff in it too`
`22:13.54`	`JeffM2501`	`I added some pluigins, the misc dir, and docs`
`22:14.21`	`brlcad`	`stripping should be fine, it's the nature of how the plugin is calling symbols from the binary that's horking it up`
`22:14.31`	`brlcad`	`it just needs to be in a lib`
`22:14.44`	`Inferno285`	`hm, so what do I do for "./configure"?`
`22:14.45`	`JeffM2501`	`so plugins just don't work on the mac yet then`
`22:14.49`	`Pimpi`	`2,5M stripped`
`22:15.01`	`brlcad`	`they should if bzfs isn't stripped`
`22:15.17`	`JeffM2501`	`then the xcode thingy must strip`
`22:15.20`	`brlcad`	`there's likely a strip step in xcode`
`22:15.35`	`JeffM2501`	`so if I rebuild bzfs and manualy put it in the package that would work`
`22:15.49`	`brlcad`	`Inferno285: saying it doesn't work doesn't help as to why -- what happened when you put it back?`
`22:16.12`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: yeah, that should work`
`22:16.20`	`JeffM2501`	`k, I'll do that tonight and repost`
`22:16.30`	`Inferno285`	`brlcad, same error... ELF`
`22:16.38`	`JeffM2501`	`so you plan on making it use a bzfs static lib?`
`22:16.46`	`JeffM2501`	`sounds a lot like how windows does it`
`22:16.53`	`brlcad`	`Inferno285: you'd gotten past the elf error with some combination of flags/cleans`
`22:17.20`	`brlcad`	`you're likely not using the same flags/cleans correctly again`
`22:17.28`	`brlcad`	`JeffM2501: yeah, pretty much`
`22:17.41`	`Inferno285`	`I got another error..stopping the gmake. Which must have come before ELF`
`22:17.41`	`JeffM2501`	`that method makes more sense to me`
`22:18.21`	`JeffM2501`	`on an unrelated note, can a mac boot to a USB drive?`
`22:18.32`	`Inferno285`	`can I just not install bzfs or what?`
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`22:20.34`	`Inferno285`	`brlcad, is it possible to not install bzfs?`
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`22:27.32`	`brlcad`	`Inferno285: to be honest, you're making this quite difficult -- more than it needs to be`
`22:28.08`	`Inferno285`	`how can I make it easier?`
`22:28.10`	`brlcad`	`try this, unpack the bzflag sources again -- new directory -- don't edit files (none)`
`22:28.19`	`Inferno285`	`ok`
`22:28.34`	`JeffM2501`	`if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it :)`
`22:29.07`	`brlcad`	`export LD_NOEXEC_64=1`
`22:29.14`	`brlcad`	`echo $LIBPATH`
`22:29.17`	`brlcad`	`what does it output?`
`22:30.39`	`Inferno285`	`blank`
`22:30.42`	`Inferno285`	`nothing`
`22:30.47`	`Inferno285`	`zilch`
`22:31.14`	`brlcad`	`export LIBPATH=/usr/lib`
`22:31.57`	`brlcad`	`now run ./configure and watch for an ld line`
`22:32.17`	`Inferno285`	`huh, I'm still unpacking new copy`
`22:32.23`	`brlcad`	`k`
`22:32.27`	`Inferno285`	`beaulieus@sun8# export LIBPATH=/usr/lib`
`22:32.27`	`Inferno285`	`LIBPATH=/usr/lib: is not an identifier`
`22:32.51`	`brlcad`	`so you didn't do the LD_NOEXEC_64 line either then`
`22:33.05`	`Inferno285`	`yeh, exactly`
`22:33.17`	`brlcad`	`17:28 < Inferno285> how can I make it easier?`
`22:33.20`	`brlcad`	`stop doing that`
`22:33.32`	`bryjen`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:33.45`	`brlcad`	`run them without the export`
`22:33.50`	`brlcad`	`(both)`
`22:33.58`	`brlcad`	`then: export LD_NOEXEC_64 LIBPATH`
`22:35.21`	`Inferno285`	`done`
`22:35.32`	`brlcad`	`now run ./configure and watch for an ld line`
`22:36.26`	`Inferno285`	`should I do anything first..`
`22:36.56`	`brlcad`	`do you have a configure file?`
`22:37.15`	`brlcad`	`ls -la configure`
`22:37.41`	`Inferno285`	`yeh`
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`22:37.59`	`brlcad`	`okay, run:`
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`22:39.43`	`brlcad`	`./configure LDFLAGS=-L/usr/lib CFLAGS=-m32`
`22:40.02`	`brlcad`	`hopefully it'll pass the compiler sanity check`
`22:42.03`	`Inferno285`	`running`
`22:46.57`	`brlcad`	`is it not done yet?`
`22:47.06`	`Inferno285`	`almost`
`22:47.46`	`brlcad`	`when it completes:`
`22:47.48`	`brlcad`	`bash`
`22:48.01`	`brlcad`	`gmake 2>&1 \| tee build.log`
`22:48.04`	`Birdie`	`thoughshooter ping`
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`22:48.15`	`Inferno285`	`ok`
`22:48.19`	`Ice_Wewe`	`hello`
`22:48.23`	`Inferno285`	`I never did "bash" before`
`22:48.36`	`Birdie`	`dang he left allready`
`22:48.37`	`brlcad`	`Inferno285: if it fails, send me the build.log and config.log files via e-mail`
`22:49.00`	`Inferno285`	`email?`
`22:49.06`	`Inferno285`	`..adress?`
`22:49.22`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I was wondering what the command to install bzflag into a non-default directory is (if you're compiling from source)... My dad says it is "./configure --prefix=/path/to/alt/dir/". I did make install --help, and I think it is "make install --directory=/path/to/alt/dir/"`
`22:49.50`	`devster`	`configure way is better i think`
`22:49.52`	`brlcad`	`Inferno285: fyi, you're not identified so you can't respond in private -- but did you get it?`
`22:50.23`	`brlcad`	`Ice_Wewe: listen to your dad`
`22:50.26`	`Inferno285`	`no,I can get identified now...just tell me how`
`22:51.26`	`Ice_Wewe`	`thx...`
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`22:58.23`	`Inferno285`	`errr, brlcad. some history. laudio was having an error so I remvoed that in the previous copy of source. So it's isn't working.`
`22:59.43`	`orange`	`~DTRemenak++`
`22:59.47`	`orange`	`for mousegrab binding`
`23:00.22`	`Inferno285`	`~karma orange`
`23:00.22`	`ibot`	`orange has karma of 25`
`23:00.24`	`Tupone`	`orange: you work windowed ?`
`23:00.29`	`orange`	`yes`
`23:00.35`	`Inferno285`	`~orange++`
`23:00.41`	`Inferno285`	`~karma orange`
`23:00.41`	`ibot`	`orange has karma of 26`
`23:00.43`	`orange`	`well, thanks :-)`
`23:01.02`	`orange`	`dunno what for, but thanks :-)`
`23:01.17`	`Inferno285`	`hm, it was an experimennt. well...and you have been good`
`23:05.37`	`brlcad`	`Inferno285: send me the build and config log regardless`
`23:05.39`	`orange`	`Tupone: dual monitor, and without window I get both screens black, then bzflag right in the middle one screen wide, but spanning the two screens :-)`
`23:05.46`	`brlcad`	`just don't edit the files`
`23:06.04`	`orange`	`but, I like it anyway, I'm used to it, and it lets me run with slightly less resolution, which is faster`
`23:06.07`	`brlcad`	`brlcad @ users.sf.net should work`
`23:06.38`	`JeffM2501`	`orange, what OS?`
`23:06.47`	`Inferno285`	`~bzpastebin`
`23:06.48`	`ibot`	`bzpastebin is, like, a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/`
`23:06.50`	`Tupone`	`hmm, I remember some setting for xinerama in sdl, perhaps only mac`
`23:07.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I had that problem, I was able to set my xconfig to give BZ a single display res`
`23:07.33`	`JeffM2501`	`with out doing window`
`23:08.11`	`JeffM2501`	`then in BZ I could choose one or 2 displays in the res menu`
`23:08.53`	`Tupone`	`sometime, without going full screen, you loss some speed enhancement on double buffering. Maybe only with quadro (?)`
`23:08.53`	`Inferno285`	`brlcad, can I pastebin it?`
`23:09.09`	`orange`	`JeffM2501: redhat 9`
`23:09.12`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, no your right, it can happen on any card`
`23:09.16`	`JeffM2501`	`orange, what video chipset?`
`23:10.09`	`orange`	`geforce fx5500`
`23:10.15`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh good`
`23:10.36`	`orange`	`heh, you helped me pick it :-)`
`23:10.39`	`JeffM2501`	`then all you have to do is set the a meta mode`
`23:10.50`	`JeffM2501`	`what res do you run your displays at?`
`23:11.05`	`orange`	`1280x1024`
`23:11.08`	`orange`	`native lcd resolutions`
`23:11.17`	`JeffM2501`	`ok, in your x config`
`23:12.09`	`JeffM2501`	`add Option "MetaModes" "1280x1024, 1280x1024; 1280x1024, NULL"`
`23:12.26`	`JeffM2501`	`then in BZ you will see 2 full screen modes`
`23:12.42`	`orange`	`Option "MetaModes" "DFP-0:1280x1024,CRT-0:1280x1024;DFP-0:1280x1024,CRT-`
`23:12.42`	`orange`	`0:NULL;DFP-0:NULL,CRT-0:1280x1024"`
`23:12.48`	`orange`	`I already had that`
`23:12.59`	`orange`	`which I think is the same thing`
`23:13.14`	`JeffM2501`	`the way I did it, I had 2 reses in BZ`
`23:13.17`	`JeffM2501`	`one was double wide`
`23:13.22`	`JeffM2501`	`one was 1 screen`
`23:13.49`	`JeffM2501`	`you should not have to run in a window`
`23:13.53`	`orange`	`yep, you're right... it's there`
`23:13.54`	`orange`	`but...`
`23:14.00`	`JeffM2501`	`check in BZ`
`23:14.01`	`orange`	`it won't leave my other screen as desktop`
`23:14.06`	`JeffM2501`	`true`
`23:14.08`	`JeffM2501`	`it won't`
`23:14.12`	`JeffM2501`	`then you have to run in window`
`23:14.15`	`JeffM2501`	`and take the performance hit`
`23:14.24`	`JeffM2501`	`there is no way around that in linux`
`23:14.24`	`orange`	`yeah, maybe for matches I'll switch`
`23:14.48`	`JeffM2501`	`well at least you know your options :)`
`23:14.55`	`orange`	`yes, cool... thanks!`
`23:15.07`	`orange`	`wonder how much faster it is... I'll do some testing later tonight`
`23:15.29`	`JeffM2501`	`it lets many cards go into a page flip mode, and can be very fast`
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`23:17.40`	`Tupone`	`hmm what having 1 X server on each of the 2 screens? you loose drag and drop between the screen, but you can play full screen and have a monitor for other stuff`
`23:18.16`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Tupone: does bzflag support that? does linux support that?`
`23:18.30`	`JeffM2501`	`x supports multiple displays`
`23:18.33`	`JeffM2501`	`in various modes`
`23:18.45`	`JeffM2501`	`using various extensions`
`23:18.54`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: yes, so does that mean that one would have to run 2 X servers to do this?`
`23:19.12`	`Aribeth`	`nope`
`23:19.15`	`Tupone`	`nvidia seems it does support a single board with 2 screen`
`23:19.16`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`23:19.26`	`Tupone`	`not 2 xserver, but 2 screen`
`23:19.28`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah nvidia can span`
`23:19.37`	`JeffM2501`	`you could set it with 2 x servers if you wanted to`
`23:19.41`	`JeffM2501`	`I've heard a couple people do that`
`23:19.49`	`JeffM2501`	`you have many options`
`23:19.53`	`Ice_Wewe`	`do you have to be running Windows to use this feature, or is it available to do this on linux too?`
`23:20.05`	`Ice_Wewe`	`(not that I have the cash for a second LCD)`
`23:20.05`	`Aribeth`	`you just need to get the xconfig file set right for it`
`23:20.07`	`JeffM2501`	`windows?`
`23:20.11`	`Ice_Wewe`	`cool`
`23:20.11`	`JeffM2501`	`who said anything about windows?`
`23:20.22`	`Tupone`	`Ice_Wewe: 99.99% of the time I just talk about linux`
`23:20.28`	`JeffM2501`	`the nvidia drivers ship with twinview`
`23:20.29`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: I did, since nVidia seems to write 90% of their apps for Windows`
`23:20.35`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, app?`
`23:20.38`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Tupone: glad to know I'm not alone`
`23:20.45`	`JeffM2501`	`nvidia has some of the best linux support out there`
`23:20.45`	`Aribeth`	`we don't do windows :P`
`23:20.50`	`JeffM2501`	`what are you taking about?`
`23:20.58`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: yes, for monitering card temperature, and other card status sensors`
`23:21.09`	`JeffM2501`	`they have the same thing for linux`
`23:21.14`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: I have yet to find one of those for linux...`
`23:21.19`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: they do?!`
`23:21.20`	`JeffM2501`	`umm ok`
`23:21.27`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I've never seen that on their web site`
`23:21.29`	`JeffM2501`	`my ubantu has one installed`
`23:21.30`	`JeffM2501`	`works fine`
`23:21.33`	`JeffM2501`	`was a freaking package`
`23:21.40`	`JeffM2501`	`guess you just don't look very hard`
`23:21.42`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: what is the package name?`
`23:21.50`	`JeffM2501`	`not at home, can't tell ya`
`23:21.54`	`JeffM2501`	`should be simple to find`
`23:21.57`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: ok`
`23:22.09`	`devster`	`mine came with the drivers`
`23:22.22`	`devster`	`try running nvidia-settings`
`23:22.43`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Wow! what do you know, its already installed!!!`
`23:22.55`	`devster`	`thermal monitor on the left for starters`
`23:24.39`	`Ice_Wewe`	`devster: I see no sensors... is your window "NVIDIA X Server Settings" ???`
`23:24.47`	`devster`	`yea`
`23:24.55`	`devster`	`mines got the core temp under thermal monitor`
`23:26.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`hmmm. I have no core temp moniter... perhaps my card doesn't have sensors, what model is yours?`
`23:26.53`	`devster`	`6600gt`
`23:27.09`	`JeffM2501`	`they all do`
`23:27.12`	`Ice_Wewe`	`what is the file in your $home that tells your bash the paths of applications? (such as /usr/local/bin or /opt)`
`23:27.24`	`JeffM2501`	`perhaps you 2 should take it to /msg`
`23:27.27`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501: perhaps my kernel doesn't posses the means to get it, cause I don't see anything`
`23:27.38`	`JeffM2501`	`sucks to be you then`

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