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00:16.35 | A_Meteorite | Hello all, I could use some help with compiling... |
00:16.52 | A_Meteorite | I would post the error now but I need to get it first. ;) |
00:17.00 | A_Meteorite | (re-compiling) |
00:17.35 | A_Meteorite | I did: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v2_0branch bzflag |
00:17.58 | A_Meteorite | (still downloading...) |
00:20.16 | JeffM2501 | what os are you on? |
00:20.33 | A_Meteorite | Mac OS X 10.4.3 |
00:20.35 | A_Meteorite | cvs update -dP -r v2_0branch |
00:20.43 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
00:20.46 | JeffM2501 | you just COed |
00:20.46 | A_Meteorite | k |
00:20.55 | JeffM2501 | do you have fink installed? |
00:21.01 | A_Meteorite | I haven't been able to compile sincec 10-26 |
00:21.02 | A_Meteorite | yes |
00:21.17 | JeffM2501 | did you use fink to install libtool and automake and autoconf? |
00:21.29 | A_Meteorite | no... it's a fresh install |
00:21.40 | JeffM2501 | a fresh in install of OSX? |
00:21.40 | A_Meteorite | I haven't "fink install" anything yet |
00:21.43 | A_Meteorite | no |
00:21.44 | JeffM2501 | ohh good |
00:21.51 | JeffM2501 | you don't want fink |
00:21.54 | A_Meteorite | oh |
00:21.57 | JeffM2501 | fink can screw stuff up |
00:21.59 | A_Meteorite | How do I uninstall now? |
00:22.01 | A_Meteorite | loll |
00:22.04 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
00:22.07 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to remove it |
00:22.14 | JeffM2501 | just don't use it to install |
00:22.19 | A_Meteorite | I used to be able to build but now I get errors |
00:22.23 | JeffM2501 | did you get the SDL dev stuff? |
00:22.25 | A_Meteorite | yes |
00:22.32 | JeffM2501 | build and see what errors you get |
00:22.35 | A_Meteorite | k |
00:22.38 | A_Meteorite | building now |
00:23.06 | JeffM2501 | did you autogen and config? |
00:23.12 | A_Meteorite | ./autogen.sh |
00:23.17 | JeffM2501 | good |
00:23.18 | A_Meteorite | ./configure --enable-plugins --prefix=/Users/server/usr |
00:23.30 | A_Meteorite | I want a local user install |
00:23.32 | JeffM2501 | you should not have to do enable plugins IIRC, it shoudl be default |
00:23.41 | JeffM2501 | install? |
00:23.47 | JeffM2501 | why don't use just use the xcode project? |
00:23.55 | A_Meteorite | is it alright that --enabled-shared is defualt=no? |
00:24.01 | A_Meteorite | I got errors with that too |
00:24.06 | A_Meteorite | same ones |
00:24.18 | JeffM2501 | the xcode project does a proper .app package |
00:24.20 | JeffM2501 | you want to use that |
00:24.28 | JeffM2501 | running from command line won't "fix" errors |
00:24.28 | A_Meteorite | ah |
00:24.40 | JeffM2501 | xcode just calls the makefile anway |
00:24.43 | JeffM2501 | but does more after |
00:24.45 | A_Meteorite | do I need a fresh checkout? |
00:24.49 | JeffM2501 | no |
00:24.57 | JeffM2501 | pastbin the errors |
00:24.57 | A_Meteorite | cause it's make'ing now |
00:25.53 | A_Meteorite | opening Xcode... |
00:26.06 | A_Meteorite | heh, you use a old version :P |
00:26.29 | JeffM2501 | you? |
00:26.40 | A_Meteorite | no you guys |
00:26.47 | JeffM2501 | the project is kept as old yes |
00:26.54 | A_Meteorite | whoever makes the .xcode build |
00:26.54 | JeffM2501 | not everyone is up to xcode2 |
00:27.05 | JeffM2501 | upgrading it woudl screw the 10.3 people |
00:27.09 | A_Meteorite | oh |
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00:27.34 | A_Meteorite | can't you do universal builds? |
00:27.44 | A_Meteorite | 10.3/10.4 |
00:28.06 | A_Meteorite | it's "running 1 of 2 custom shell scripts" |
00:29.18 | JeffM2501 | yes |
00:29.27 | JeffM2501 | but 10.4 uses a newer version of xcode |
00:29.31 | JeffM2501 | if we upgrade the project |
00:29.40 | JeffM2501 | they would not be able topen the newer file |
00:29.59 | A_Meteorite | warning: control may reach end of non-void function |
00:30.05 | JeffM2501 | use pastebin |
00:30.06 | A_Meteorite | at least it's not an error - yet ;) |
00:30.11 | JeffM2501 | and only paste the errors |
00:30.21 | A_Meteorite | it's still going this is how it always starts |
00:30.31 | A_Meteorite | *crosses fingers* |
00:31.11 | JeffM2501 | don't plan on it "magicaly" working |
00:31.20 | JeffM2501 | if you had errors before you will still get them |
00:31.25 | A_Meteorite | yeah |
00:31.30 | A_Meteorite | I just want them fixed :) |
00:31.31 | JeffM2501 | this wasn't to fix the, just to get you doing it right |
00:31.47 | JeffM2501 | if you want it to magigaly happen, then just wait for a binary |
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00:33.25 | A_Meteorite | I *used* to be able to build |
00:33.39 | A_Meteorite | here's the error: |
00:33.42 | JeffM2501 | then ether something changed on your system, or something changed int he code |
00:33.44 | JeffM2501 | use pastebin |
00:33.50 | A_Meteorite | k |
00:34.21 | A_Meteorite | huh? How do I copy Xcode errors? |
00:34.52 | JeffM2501 | dono |
00:34.59 | A_Meteorite | lol |
00:35.02 | A_Meteorite | I'll try this |
00:35.06 | A_Meteorite | brb |
00:35.16 | BenUrban | you gotta click on the little icon to get the compile output to show up |
00:35.39 | A_Meteorite | uploading... |
00:35.46 | BenUrban | at least that's the way it is in 10.3 |
00:35.46 | A_Meteorite | http://pastebin.com/415512 |
00:36.04 | A_Meteorite | that is from Xcode, btw |
00:36.21 | JeffM2501 | iostream |
00:36.22 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
00:36.38 | A_Meteorite | last time I could compile right was 10-26 |
00:36.45 | A_Meteorite | but now I can't even go back with -R |
00:36.47 | JeffM2501 | looks like it's busted then |
00:36.59 | JeffM2501 | I'll try it when I go home |
00:37.02 | A_Meteorite | Slayer++ just posted a build... |
00:37.07 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
00:37.08 | JeffM2501 | use that |
00:37.14 | A_Meteorite | ok |
00:37.20 | A_Meteorite | but then how do I compile plugins? |
00:37.29 | JeffM2501 | you won't be able to |
00:37.32 | A_Meteorite | I really want some. :) |
00:37.36 | A_Meteorite | oh *sigh* |
00:37.40 | JeffM2501 | have him build themfor you |
00:37.45 | A_Meteorite | ok :D |
00:37.49 | JeffM2501 | that error is not one I am aware of |
00:37.54 | JeffM2501 | I will try to dupicate it |
00:37.55 | A_Meteorite | but you will try it? |
00:37.57 | A_Meteorite | ok |
00:38.04 | JeffM2501 | if I can, I will show it to learner |
00:38.07 | JeffM2501 | and see what he can see |
00:38.18 | A_Meteorite | BenUrban: How do I fix it then? ;) |
00:38.23 | JeffM2501 | fink is the cause of many problems |
00:38.25 | A_Meteorite | I've had it installed before |
00:38.42 | JeffM2501 | you said you didn't install any thing via fink |
00:38.42 | A_Meteorite | yes |
00:38.42 | A_Meteorite | but fink itself is installed |
00:38.43 | BenUrban | A_Meteorite: i don't think you can cleanly uninstall fink |
00:38.55 | A_Meteorite | umm |
00:39.00 | A_Meteorite | not cool |
00:39.00 | BenUrban | without an intimate knowledge of fink |
00:39.19 | BenUrban | that's why i didn't install it a second time |
00:39.25 | JeffM2501 | another reason fink is evil |
00:39.30 | A_Meteorite | should I just wipe /sw and then reinstall dev tools? |
00:39.35 | A_Meteorite | that could help? |
00:39.42 | BenUrban | i've tried removing /sw |
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00:39.47 | BenUrban | that just screws it up more |
00:39.58 | A_Meteorite | and I've done that a couple times............ |
00:40.04 | JeffM2501 | OSX is very difrent from system 9, you can't just remove files |
00:40.16 | A_Meteorite | I never used OS 9, lol |
00:40.28 | BenUrban | osx is very different from .. |
00:40.28 | JeffM2501 | your lucky |
00:40.29 | BenUrban | hmm |
00:40.29 | BenUrban | dos |
00:40.31 | BenUrban | ;) |
00:40.54 | A_Meteorite | I always here about this weird extensions and stuff |
00:41.01 | A_Meteorite | sounds scary |
00:41.08 | BenUrban | you mean resource forks? |
00:41.15 | A_Meteorite | no exstensions on OS9? |
00:41.18 | JeffM2501 | OS7+ used ectensions |
00:41.20 | BenUrban | and file type and creator codes? |
00:41.23 | BenUrban | oh |
00:41.23 | BenUrban | those extensions |
00:41.41 | BenUrban | heh |
00:41.41 | JeffM2501 | OSX still uses resoruces and file type and creator codes |
00:41.48 | BenUrban | i blocked access to those memories |
00:41.57 | BenUrban | yeah i know that |
00:42.23 | A_Meteorite | *sigh* now I got to find out how to uninstall Fink... |
00:42.38 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, you don't even know if that is your problem |
00:42.43 | A_Meteorite | true |
00:42.47 | JeffM2501 | just wait |
00:42.51 | A_Meteorite | ok |
00:42.56 | JeffM2501 | do you NEED a plugin right this very second? |
00:43.07 | JeffM2501 | is it a matter of life or death? |
00:43.07 | A_Meteorite | not exactly but I've always wanted one |
00:43.17 | JeffM2501 | then waiting an evening won't kill you |
00:43.22 | A_Meteorite | even airspawn |
00:43.25 | BenUrban | certain plugins are indeed a matter of life and death ;) |
00:43.28 | A_Meteorite | heh |
00:43.37 | A_Meteorite | I love the one that does killing sprees. :D |
00:43.42 | A_Meteorite | that is awesome |
00:43.52 | BenUrban | huh? |
00:44.02 | JeffM2501 | play history tracker |
00:44.05 | A_Meteorite | it's playerhistorytracker I beleive |
00:44.06 | BenUrban | ah |
00:44.11 | A_Meteorite | yeah |
00:44.43 | A_Meteorite | If it's iostream then something must be really messed up... |
00:44.51 | A_Meteorite | cause that's a basic package... |
00:44.59 | A_Meteorite | (include?) |
00:45.01 | JeffM2501 | probably a linux makefile artifact |
00:45.04 | JeffM2501 | or a config problem |
00:45.06 | A_Meteorite | ah |
00:45.15 | A_Meteorite | Well, I will be here later tnoight |
00:45.25 | A_Meteorite | if yours builds fine I will mess around with fink |
00:45.31 | A_Meteorite | got nothing to lost... |
00:45.33 | A_Meteorite | *lose |
00:45.57 | BenUrban | well |
00:45.59 | BenUrban | something in the code could be messing up iostream |
00:46.02 | BenUrban | that's entirely possible in a language whose preprocessor is text-based |
00:46.08 | A_Meteorite | oh |
00:46.25 | BenUrban | if you have nothing to lose, then you can reinstall the os |
00:46.30 | BenUrban | ;) |
00:46.33 | A_Meteorite | well I do got my files |
00:46.40 | JeffM2501 | more then likely it's just tupone puting in something that only exists in linux :) |
00:46.44 | A_Meteorite | naughty me... no backups |
00:46.49 | A_Meteorite | lol |
00:46.53 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, don't mess with him |
00:46.55 | A_Meteorite | bad tupone :P |
00:47.09 | A_Meteorite | hah |
00:47.12 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, why do you say that, he's not a master of all OSs |
00:47.13 | A_Meteorite | I got over 40GB |
00:47.15 | BenUrban | they were on sale |
00:47.31 | A_Meteorite | well |
00:47.33 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.5 is unstable dev |
00:47.38 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't HAVE to work |
00:47.42 | A_Meteorite | Yes, but usually it does :) |
00:47.50 | JeffM2501 | sometimes it does |
00:47.50 | A_Meteorite | this is my first problem |
00:47.51 | BenUrban | obviously not this time |
00:47.53 | JeffM2501 | sometimes it dosn't |
00:47.59 | JeffM2501 | deal with it |
00:48.04 | A_Meteorite | I even used 2.0.3 |
00:48.20 | JeffM2501 | I know for a fact that 2.0.4 builds just fine |
00:48.22 | A_Meteorite | just this is my first and I thought I would give a heads up |
00:48.35 | JeffM2501 | it's fine to say something |
00:48.41 | JeffM2501 | just don't dizz people for there work |
00:48.46 | A_Meteorite | I wasn't |
00:48.46 | JeffM2501 | tupone does many good things |
00:48.53 | A_Meteorite | just joking around about tupone |
00:49.09 | A_Meteorite | I'm very glad he does a lot! |
00:49.13 | JeffM2501 | the dude gets enough crap form me, he dosn't need more :) |
00:49.17 | BenUrban | heh |
00:49.19 | A_Meteorite | ;) |
00:49.23 | RPG_ | :D |
00:50.19 | A_Meteorite | I never knew Fink was so evil |
00:50.29 | JeffM2501 | it is more like apt |
00:50.33 | JeffM2501 | it is not the apple way |
00:50.40 | A_Meteorite | ah |
00:50.47 | JeffM2501 | fink was made more for the darwin people |
00:50.49 | JeffM2501 | then the OSX people |
00:51.04 | A_Meteorite | sad there's no big warning on it |
00:51.06 | A_Meteorite | ;) |
00:51.17 | JeffM2501 | they asume you know what you are doing |
00:51.35 | A_Meteorite | (joking) |
00:53.18 | A_Meteorite | I will be here probably after 8:30 tonight (3 and a half hours from now) |
00:53.31 | A_Meteorite | maybe you will have tested it by then |
00:54.32 | A_Meteorite | wow, never heard of dselect and apt-get on fink |
00:54.36 | JeffM2501 | I have about an hour more of work |
00:54.41 | A_Meteorite | I always used fink install |
00:54.48 | A_Meteorite | ok, thanks :) |
00:54.50 | JeffM2501 | fink is apt |
00:54.53 | A_Meteorite | ah |
00:55.28 | A_Meteorite | I forget which distro apt is from... |
00:55.33 | JeffM2501 | debian |
00:55.35 | A_Meteorite | oh yeah |
00:55.36 | JeffM2501 | and others |
00:55.44 | A_Meteorite | I use it on my SuSE too |
00:55.55 | A_Meteorite | much better than their package manager |
00:56.13 | A_Meteorite | at least it seems easier to use ;) |
00:56.31 | A_Meteorite | well, I better get going and let you keep on working... cya later tonight |
00:57.04 | JeffM2501 | synaptic |
00:57.12 | JeffM2501 | package manager of the gods |
00:57.16 | A_Meteorite | heh |
00:57.23 | A_Meteorite | is that Ubuntu? |
00:57.29 | JeffM2501 | yes |
00:57.33 | A_Meteorite | thought so |
00:57.44 | A_Meteorite | for some reason Ubuntu doesn't like my hardware |
00:57.56 | JeffM2501 | what hardware? |
00:58.02 | A_Meteorite | I had another old computer (before I sold it) and it was really awesome on that |
00:58.20 | A_Meteorite | AMD K6-2 500mhz 124MB Ram (4MB is bad) |
00:58.25 | A_Meteorite | 500mhz |
00:58.27 | A_Meteorite | 400 |
00:58.30 | JeffM2501 | it should run fine on that |
00:58.30 | A_Meteorite | not 500 lol |
00:58.41 | A_Meteorite | must be my bad RAM |
00:59.01 | A_Meteorite | sadly it's two sticks - 2 64MB sticks |
00:59.08 | bryjen | bad? or used by the onboard video? |
00:59.12 | A_Meteorite | and I would not want to part with 60MB |
00:59.12 | JeffM2501 | well yeah if you have bad ram, nothing is going run well on it |
00:59.27 | JeffM2501 | dude ram is cheap |
00:59.29 | JeffM2501 | just get more |
00:59.31 | A_Meteorite | could be the onboard, but I thought it was bad |
00:59.37 | A_Meteorite | heh |
00:59.51 | A_Meteorite | I really want to get a PIII for MB |
00:59.55 | A_Meteorite | 256MB Ram |
00:59.59 | JeffM2501 | why? |
01:00.10 | A_Meteorite | because even this is dirt slow as a server. |
01:00.18 | JeffM2501 | you can get a full new semperon system for like 175$ |
01:00.22 | A_Meteorite | wow |
01:00.24 | JeffM2501 | 2400+ |
01:00.27 | trepan | http://rick.vanrein.org/linux/badram/ |
01:00.44 | A_Meteorite | and I tried installing Gentoo on it... |
01:00.58 | A_Meteorite | it had a kernel panick because of a "ram disk" |
01:01.20 | A_Meteorite | figured it must of been my RAM |
01:01.25 | JeffM2501 | what did ubuntu do? |
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01:01.32 | A_Meteorite | failed in the install |
01:01.41 | JeffM2501 | with an error of..................................... |
01:01.44 | A_Meteorite | couldn't install any packages |
01:01.50 | A_Meteorite | just told me it failed |
01:01.53 | A_Meteorite | one after another |
01:01.53 | JeffM2501 | was it on the network? |
01:01.56 | A_Meteorite | no |
01:01.57 | A_Meteorite | CD |
01:02.00 | JeffM2501 | there is your problem |
01:02.09 | A_Meteorite | I installed SuSE on it... |
01:02.14 | JeffM2501 | that one CD dosn't have all the packages |
01:02.20 | A_Meteorite | oh |
01:02.21 | JeffM2501 | ubuntu is net install man |
01:02.28 | JeffM2501 | READ the errors |
01:02.49 | A_Meteorite | maybe it's onboard video |
01:02.55 | JeffM2501 | once one part fails, the rest will fail soon |
01:03.01 | A_Meteorite | just thought it was bad cause it reports 124 |
01:03.03 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, does it have onboard video? |
01:03.06 | A_Meteorite | yes |
01:03.10 | JeffM2501 | bad ram dosn't report less |
01:03.14 | A_Meteorite | oh |
01:03.16 | JeffM2501 | if it was bad the system woudl't know |
01:03.23 | JeffM2501 | it would just use it and crash |
01:03.28 | A_Meteorite | ah |
01:03.41 | A_Meteorite | it would want a full 128MB Ram and it wouldn't be there, correct? |
01:03.50 | A_Meteorite | only some of it would work |
01:04.02 | bryjen | that's what JeffM2501 just said |
01:04.03 | JeffM2501 | if it reports 124 |
01:04.06 | JeffM2501 | then your video is using it |
01:04.11 | JeffM2501 | if you had "bad" ram |
01:04.12 | A_Meteorite | ah ok |
01:04.14 | JeffM2501 | it would say 128 |
01:04.21 | JeffM2501 | then just crash when it uses last 4 megs |
01:04.27 | JeffM2501 | go into the bios |
01:04.33 | JeffM2501 | bet you can set the ram it uses for video |
01:04.38 | A_Meteorite | ok |
01:04.47 | A_Meteorite | for text I should just use as little as possible |
01:05.09 | JeffM2501 | wow |
01:05.14 | JeffM2501 | you know nothing about hardware do you? |
01:05.27 | A_Meteorite | I thought I did... |
01:05.35 | A_Meteorite | what did I get wrong? |
01:05.36 | blast007 | a lot of the time the system memory usage can't be changed for onboard video |
01:05.42 | JeffM2501 | no mater what is displayed on the screen it's still a bitmap |
01:05.51 | JeffM2501 | text, image, whatever |
01:05.52 | A_Meteorite | yeah... |
01:06.01 | A_Meteorite | but I'm not using a GUI |
01:06.03 | JeffM2501 | text dosn't use any more or less video memory |
01:06.06 | JeffM2501 | who cares |
01:06.08 | blast007 | you can change the AGP Aperture size, but that's different |
01:06.14 | JeffM2501 | blast007, depends on the mobo |
01:06.31 | A_Meteorite | but color uses more memory right? |
01:06.38 | JeffM2501 | usualy the onboards let you set 4 or 8 |
01:06.43 | blast007 | hmm |
01:06.45 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, depends on the mode |
01:06.50 | A_Meteorite | oh.... |
01:06.56 | JeffM2501 | 4 is fine |
01:07.01 | A_Meteorite | k |
01:07.10 | JeffM2501 | if you are THAT close to runing out of ram, then you have other problems |
01:07.11 | blast007 | that's just for using high resolutions? |
01:07.20 | JeffM2501 | not nesisarly |
01:07.25 | JeffM2501 | depends on panes |
01:07.29 | JeffM2501 | and off screen bitmaps |
01:07.29 | bryjen | JeffM2501: uhm, no, in text mode, the video card has just the ascii in ram |
01:07.34 | A_Meteorite | I think getting a decent Sempron would be a better server, though |
01:07.43 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, it still has a frame buffer |
01:07.54 | JeffM2501 | to turn it into the scanlines |
01:07.59 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't use a back buffer tho |
01:08.29 | bryjen | no, it doesn't. old vesa text modes rasterize on-the-fly |
01:08.44 | JeffM2501 | old ones sure |
01:08.50 | JeffM2501 | don't think the onboards do that anymore |
01:09.01 | JeffM2501 | it's possible |
01:09.05 | bryjen | eh, anything's possible |
01:09.09 | bryjen | heh |
01:09.11 | JeffM2501 | I've never seen an onboard that lets you go less then 4 tho |
01:09.38 | bryjen | yeah, because you _might_ switch into a graphic mode, and then you'd need it |
01:09.51 | JeffM2501 | they are designed for desktop systems |
01:10.02 | JeffM2501 | so it would make sense that they keep them around |
01:10.13 | JeffM2501 | it's not 1985 anymore |
01:10.37 | JeffM2501 | if it was, then I could have another shot at Sussie Clodfelter |
01:10.44 | A_Meteorite | SO where could I get a $175 Sempron? pricewatch.com ? |
01:10.51 | JeffM2501 | frys |
01:11.02 | A_Meteorite | k |
01:11.02 | bryjen | yeah, nobody's writing ascii and text attributes directly into video memory from apps these days ;) |
01:11.25 | JeffM2501 | most systems are doing vesa emulation IRRC |
01:12.12 | JeffM2501 | I think on modern hardware a frame buffer is faster then text mode |
01:13.04 | A_Meteorite | I can go down to 4MB shared memory |
01:13.04 | bryjen | no, not ansi escape sequences. it was interleaved char attr chr attr ... where the char was ascii and attr was bits for underline, bold... origional PC monochrome stuff |
01:13.07 | A_Meteorite | I mean 2MB |
01:14.38 | A_Meteorite | hmmm... what's a Graphics Aperture? |
01:14.43 | A_Meteorite | for an AGP/PCI card? |
01:14.47 | blast007 | AGP |
01:14.51 | A_Meteorite | ah ok |
01:14.59 | JeffM2501 | your onboard probably uses it tho |
01:15.01 | blast007 | your onboard is probably abp |
01:15.03 | blast007 | agp* |
01:15.14 | A_Meteorite | I can go all the way to 8MB on onboard |
01:15.20 | JeffM2501 | oooo |
01:15.26 | JeffM2501 | such a monster machine |
01:15.29 | A_Meteorite | lol |
01:15.30 | JeffM2501 | how ever do you contain it |
01:15.36 | bryjen | something like how much system ram the card can map into its address space if needed |
01:15.38 | A_Meteorite | better than 4MB :P |
01:16.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah, it's how much ram can be grabed by the card by the driver |
01:16.05 | A_Meteorite | well, not bad for a K6-2 400 ;) |
01:16.07 | blast007 | my P133 has a 2MB video card ;) |
01:16.10 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, yes it is |
01:16.14 | A_Meteorite | oh |
01:16.30 | A_Meteorite | well I know *a little* more about newer PCs :| |
01:17.06 | A_Meteorite | ah well, I got to get going. will be here later tonight |
01:17.09 | bryjen | onboard video is almost always crap. it's just so it has _something_ so the mobo manufacturer can say "video included" |
01:17.17 | A_Meteorite | 3 hours or so |
01:17.27 | A_Meteorite | lol |
01:17.29 | A_Meteorite | yeah |
01:17.40 | A_Meteorite | but I didn't buy this |
01:17.44 | A_Meteorite | I found it :D' |
01:17.47 | JeffM2501 | there are 2 mobos that have non crap onboard video |
01:17.48 | A_Meteorite | not bad, eh? |
01:17.54 | JeffM2501 | one by ATI and one by nvdia |
01:17.58 | A_Meteorite | got to go |
01:17.59 | A_Meteorite | cya |
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01:18.49 | bryjen | that's because they started with a video card and built it out into a motherboard ;) |
01:18.59 | blast007 | hehe |
01:19.05 | JeffM2501 | true |
01:19.21 | JeffM2501 | well the ATI one has a real x300 on it IIRC |
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01:45.02 | JeffM2501 | and she said baby, it's 3AM I must be lonely.... |
01:47.10 | brlcad | heh |
01:47.26 | JeffM2501 | he lives |
01:47.52 | brlcad | nay, it aint true! |
01:48.09 | JeffM2501 | got any time to look at something? ;) |
01:48.19 | brlcad | prohaps |
01:48.25 | brlcad | cvs up? |
01:48.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
01:48.36 | JeffM2501 | image loader seems to only load blackness |
01:48.48 | JeffM2501 | did it the best I could based on the samples I could find |
01:48.58 | JeffM2501 | oh and it dosn't need devIL on OSX anymore |
01:49.55 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
01:50.13 | brlcad | compiling |
01:50.29 | JeffM2501 | made it use the CGImage stuff to read in the png |
01:50.47 | JeffM2501 | oh you'll need to change a define to get it to use the textures |
01:51.06 | JeffM2501 | worldRenderer.cpp line 7 |
01:51.16 | JeffM2501 | _ENABLE_TEXTURES to 1 |
01:54.27 | brlcad | hmm |
01:54.33 | brlcad | CGImageGetBitmapInfo unkown symbol |
01:54.51 | JeffM2501 | ??? |
01:55.06 | JeffM2501 | it was in the docs |
01:55.30 | brlcad | CGContextRef bitmapContext = CGBitmapContextCreate(image.data,image.size[0],image.size[1],bpp,image.size[0],NULL,CGImageGetBitmapInfo(Image)); |
01:55.49 | brlcad | says it's undeclared |
01:55.55 | brlcad | so either missing a header |
01:55.59 | brlcad | or it's a 10.4ism |
01:56.00 | JeffM2501 | maybe I'm missing a header or lib then |
01:56.22 | JeffM2501 | checking docs now |
01:57.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's 10.4 or later |
01:57.35 | JeffM2501 | damn |
01:57.36 | brlcad | (this box is 10.3, which very well could be |
01:57.38 | brlcad | ahh |
01:57.41 | JeffM2501 | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/GraphicsImaging/Reference/CGImage/index.html |
01:57.52 | JeffM2501 | I should have looked at that |
01:57.54 | JeffM2501 | I'm sorry |
01:58.05 | JeffM2501 | I want it to work in 10.3 |
01:58.38 | brlcad | heh, no biggie |
01:58.54 | JeffM2501 | I found out what my gl problems were |
01:58.59 | JeffM2501 | only other problem now is mouse events |
01:59.37 | JeffM2501 | hmm the entire bitmap context thing is 10.4 or later |
02:00.19 | JeffM2501 | wonder how your suposed to get the data out of an image then |
02:03.46 | brlcad | most of it exists, there is CGBitmapContextCreate for example |
02:04.14 | brlcad | CG_EXTERN CGContextRef CGBitmapContextCreate(void *data, size_t width, size_t height, size_t bitsPerComponent, size_t bytesPerRow, CGColorSpaceRef colorspace, CGImageAlphaInfo alphaInfo); |
02:04.39 | JeffM2501 | ahh alpha info |
02:04.52 | JeffM2501 | probalby just not in my docs becaus I'm 10.4ed :) |
02:05.11 | JeffM2501 | is that the best way to go for loading images? or should I just use libpng? |
02:05.37 | brlcad | probably best unless you want to consolidate code |
02:05.59 | JeffM2501 | linux and windows are all set using devil |
02:06.12 | brlcad | what was wrong with devil? |
02:06.16 | brlcad | on osx |
02:06.28 | brlcad | the crash looked context/init related |
02:06.34 | JeffM2501 | no framework version, linked against fink libs, just wouldn't build |
02:06.43 | brlcad | ahh, there was that crap too |
02:06.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah the crash wasn't devil |
02:06.49 | JeffM2501 | yeah it was basicly crap |
02:06.57 | JeffM2501 | very little support on OSX |
02:07.05 | brlcad | could get source and build your own |
02:07.07 | JeffM2501 | so I just made it external |
02:07.08 | JeffM2501 | I tried |
02:07.10 | JeffM2501 | it won't build |
02:07.13 | JeffM2501 | forgot the errors |
02:07.15 | brlcad | ah |
02:07.17 | JeffM2501 | it angerd me |
02:07.23 | brlcad | hehe |
02:07.36 | JeffM2501 | on the other OSs I can use premade ones that work fine |
02:07.52 | JeffM2501 | makes sense that the loader shoudl be customiseable per OS |
02:08.03 | JeffM2501 | I did get OSX pulling from the app bundle to |
02:08.11 | JeffM2501 | it's kinda cool to have all the data in one spot |
02:08.39 | brlcad | yeah, bundles are sweet |
02:08.48 | brlcad | just wish they'd open up the binary spec for them |
02:08.49 | JeffM2501 | just ganked the code form bz |
02:09.13 | JeffM2501 | isn't it just a folder? |
02:09.33 | brlcad | not exactly |
02:09.48 | JeffM2501 | the finder just treats it like one? |
02:09.52 | JeffM2501 | or is it "special" |
02:10.10 | brlcad | they can actually contain serialized live versions of objects |
02:10.48 | brlcad | yeah, the on-disk structure is usually just an organized dir that finder recognizes and treats special |
02:11.10 | brlcad | ack, i meant the nib, not bundles |
02:11.21 | brlcad | nibs contain the serialized stuff |
02:11.35 | brlcad | yeah, bundles just dirs (that might contain nibs) ;) |
02:25.43 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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02:31.35 | bryjen | what did Tupone break in cvs? looks Ok so far... |
02:53.43 | I_Died_Once | amarok 1.3.5 crashes alot |
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03:54.44 | wizatmac | i'll give you the crazy par |
03:54.45 | wizatmac | t |
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05:08.53 | sc-phone | hi all |
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05:16.54 | A_Meteorite | hi |
05:17.09 | A_Meteorite | you there Jeff? |
05:17.15 | A_Meteorite | ;) |
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05:18.28 | A_Meteorite | hmmm |
05:18.31 | A_Meteorite | maybe not? |
05:19.01 | JeffM2501 | yes |
05:19.09 | A_Meteorite | yay |
05:19.12 | JeffM2501 | "anakin... turn to the dark side!" |
05:19.18 | JeffM2501 | "ooooooooookkkkkkaaaaayyyy" |
05:19.22 | A_Meteorite | So how did the build go? |
05:19.36 | JeffM2501 | oh yeah |
05:19.37 | JeffM2501 | build |
05:19.54 | A_Meteorite | you forgot? :P |
05:20.00 | JeffM2501 | prety much |
05:20.06 | A_Meteorite | lol, no problem |
05:20.12 | JeffM2501 | it is going now |
05:20.16 | A_Meteorite | k, thanks |
05:25.26 | A_Meteorite | is it still going? |
05:26.08 | A_Meteorite | mine failed pretty quick |
05:26.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
05:26.40 | JeffM2501 | configing no |
05:26.42 | JeffM2501 | now |
05:26.45 | A_Meteorite | k |
05:26.58 | A_Meteorite | are you on a G5? |
05:27.03 | JeffM2501 | no |
05:27.04 | A_Meteorite | those systems are great |
05:27.07 | A_Meteorite | ahh |
05:27.09 | JeffM2501 | not really |
05:27.14 | JeffM2501 | they cost too much |
05:27.16 | A_Meteorite | iMac G5 2ghz :) |
05:27.37 | A_Meteorite | my first Mac was an iMac G4 800mhz |
05:27.44 | A_Meteorite | this is so much faster now |
05:35.47 | A_Meteorite | still going, eh? |
05:36.17 | JeffM2501 | ya |
05:36.37 | A_Meteorite | if it hasn't failed yet, I bet it's me |
05:36.59 | A_Meteorite | but I can be here for a few more mins, then I can check tomorrow |
05:37.04 | A_Meteorite | :) |
05:41.02 | A_Meteorite | Ah, well, I need to get going actually. Is it alright if I check up tomorrow? |
05:41.26 | JeffM2501 | sure |
05:41.37 | A_Meteorite | ok, thanks, cya |
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06:19.32 | Roxport | hello |
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06:26.31 | _tom | since my windows box died today, and I recently got a new HP workstation from work, I decided it was time to restart my port to HP-UX |
06:26.58 | _tom | I'd had a 1.x version working a while back, but lost the code. |
06:27.41 | _tom | Anyhoo, I can't say I'll be able to commit loads of time to maintenance, but at minimum I could provide the initial work I've done in hopes others would pick it up |
06:28.34 | _tom | it runs, I wussed out of writing the sound code, but I used some tricks for allowing gcc code to access HP's native OpenGL, so it runs pretty quick |
06:28.59 | _tom | It has some wierd color issues I'd love a hand with |
06:29.16 | Roxport | what version will install with debian apt-get install bzflag bzflag-server? |
06:29.19 | _tom | anyone have any suggestions as to how to contact developers on the project? |
06:29.35 | Roxport | tom: sourceforge |
06:29.43 | _tom | put in a patch? |
06:29.44 | JeffM2501 | Roxport, do you want the game or the server? |
06:29.45 | Roxport | http://sourceforge.net/projects/bzflag/ |
06:29.49 | Roxport | both |
06:29.52 | Roxport | mainly for server |
06:29.55 | JeffM2501 | _tom, you are talking to them |
06:30.01 | JeffM2501 | Roxport, then you want both packages |
06:30.02 | _tom | Roxport: kubuntu universal gave me 2.0.2 |
06:30.04 | JeffM2501 | server and client are split |
06:30.08 | Roxport | tom: ahh |
06:30.11 | _tom | and it doesn't work correctly |
06:30.15 | Roxport | really? |
06:30.25 | _tom | I can connect but cannot kill or be killed |
06:30.30 | JeffM2501 | there are problems with 2.0.2 and gcc4 |
06:30.33 | _tom | could be some other issue with my system |
06:30.37 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.4 fixes them |
06:31.32 | Roxport | these guys i play with like using the old version...1.10.6 |
06:31.34 | JeffM2501 | just get the 2.0.4 tarball |
06:31.40 | JeffM2501 | that's years old |
06:31.41 | Roxport | i saw there is rpm for 1.10.6 |
06:31.58 | Roxport | can debian use rpm packages? I think those are for red hat, right? |
06:32.09 | JeffM2501 | doubt 1.x will work with gcc4 |
06:32.17 | Roxport | jeff: i will try the 2.0.4 |
06:32.25 | JeffM2501 | you could instal rpm on debian if you wanted |
06:32.28 | Roxport | i'm new to debian. just installed sarge. |
06:33.09 | Roxport | i have to download the code and compile it? |
06:33.10 | JeffM2501 | debian testing has 2.0.4 |
06:33.17 | JeffM2501 | as a package |
06:33.26 | Roxport | oh |
06:33.38 | JeffM2501 | guu debian version bzflag |
06:33.41 | Guu | JeffM2501: 8 matches found: bzflag (oldstable: 1.7e4); bzflag (stable: 2.0.2.20050318); bzflag (testing: 2.0.4.20051017); bzflag (unstable: 2.0.4.20051017); bzflag-server (oldstable: 1.7e4); bzflag-server (stable: 2.0.2.20050318); bzflag-server (testing: 2.0.4.20051017); bzflag-server (unstable: 2.0.4.20051017) |
06:40.31 | Roxport | jeff: so those are debian packages? |
06:40.38 | JeffM2501 | yes |
06:40.42 | JeffM2501 | in apt |
06:40.52 | Roxport | ok |
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06:45.23 | JeffM2501 | wrong X :) |
06:46.10 | _tom | I hate when that happens |
06:47.05 | _tom | I get screwed by dual monitors thinking I've got focus on my tabbed [browser,editor,...] and I'm actually in xchat |
06:47.13 | _tom | ctrl-w.... dang! |
06:54.53 | Roxport | apt-get install bzflag-server=1.7e4 not found |
06:55.06 | Roxport | apt-get install bzflag-server/oldstable not found |
06:55.11 | JeffM2501 | sure |
06:55.16 | JeffM2501 | because those are apt repositorys |
06:55.21 | JeffM2501 | not package names |
06:55.26 | Roxport | oh |
06:55.30 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to change your reposityrs |
06:55.36 | Roxport | thanks. |
06:55.42 | JeffM2501 | for each system there are only 2 packages |
06:55.45 | Roxport | it's set up for whatever I chose at installation |
06:55.46 | JeffM2501 | server and client |
06:55.51 | JeffM2501 | that would be stable |
06:55.54 | JeffM2501 | that's why you got 2.0.2 |
06:56.21 | Roxport | well not yet, i haven't installed any version yet, on this debian box |
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06:56.38 | JeffM2501 | if you are stable you'll get 2.0.2 |
06:56.45 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to ether manualy get the package and install it |
06:56.51 | JeffM2501 | or change your apt sources to use testing |
06:57.06 | Roxport | i see. |
06:57.13 | _tom | I'd recommend building from source |
06:57.21 | JeffM2501 | it is not that hard |
06:57.29 | JeffM2501 | you will just need a couple packages |
06:57.32 | JeffM2501 | sdl-dev |
06:57.36 | JeffM2501 | curl3-dev |
06:58.30 | Roxport | i could do it. |
06:58.46 | Roxport | at least that's what this piece of paper(*) says. ;) |
07:03.45 | _tom | well, I'm going to put my readme.hpux, my half-assed platform code, and post it on sourceforge. I'll probably lurk around here for a few days and see if anyone else is interested in BZ on HP |
07:05.26 | JeffM2501 | probably depends on just who has the hardware and software |
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07:05.45 | Cowpat1989 | hi |
07:05.52 | _tom | not a whole lot of HP development going on these days |
07:06.05 | _tom | hello Cowpat1989 |
07:06.14 | _tom | we're trying to get off of the platform |
07:06.42 | _tom | but my new C8000 is so nice I almost like HP again |
07:08.53 | Cowpat1989 | i was wondering, someone may be able to help me here |
07:09.04 | JeffM2501 | with? |
07:10.01 | Cowpat1989 | bzserver |
07:10.46 | JeffM2501 | and what part of it do you need help with? |
07:11.15 | Cowpat1989 | well, actually getting it to run properly on knoppix 3.9 |
07:11.29 | Cowpat1989 | it's a customized version |
07:11.33 | JeffM2501 | what part of it is not running properly? |
07:12.08 | Cowpat1989 | when i open it it seems to close and not run |
07:12.20 | Cowpat1989 | it dosn't come up in the process table |
07:12.28 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
07:12.53 | JeffM2501 | oh knopix |
07:12.56 | JeffM2501 | just saw that :) |
07:13.00 | JeffM2501 | do you have a config? |
07:13.15 | Cowpat1989 | well heres the other thing |
07:13.27 | Cowpat1989 | im fairly new to knoppix |
07:13.34 | Cowpat1989 | and linux in general |
07:13.49 | JeffM2501 | how are you trying to run it? |
07:14.07 | Cowpat1989 | so i proberbly won't know what you are going on about |
07:14.17 | Cowpat1989 | i try running the binary |
07:14.23 | JeffM2501 | I know that |
07:14.26 | JeffM2501 | but how do you run it? |
07:14.29 | JeffM2501 | tell me the steps you do |
07:14.58 | Cowpat1989 | i use konqurer to browse to the directory |
07:15.11 | Cowpat1989 | and double click on the binary file |
07:15.20 | JeffM2501 | and it brings up a black terminal window and sits there? |
07:15.35 | Cowpat1989 | it brings up the terminal and closes |
07:15.40 | JeffM2501 | ok |
07:15.50 | JeffM2501 | bzfs is not a graphical application |
07:15.58 | JeffM2501 | it is meant to be run from the command line |
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07:16.07 | JeffM2501 | now you also said your's was "customised" |
07:16.10 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean by that? |
07:16.32 | Cowpat1989 | well i got it from a computer camp i went to |
07:16.38 | Cowpat1989 | www.computercamp.org |
07:16.51 | JeffM2501 | and someone modified it? |
07:16.56 | Cowpat1989 | yeah |
07:17.02 | JeffM2501 | hope you trust them |
07:17.07 | JeffM2501 | well lets see what the error ios |
07:17.10 | Cowpat1989 | i do |
07:17.13 | Cowpat1989 | ok |
07:17.14 | JeffM2501 | in konq |
07:17.19 | JeffM2501 | right click in the bzflag dir |
07:17.20 | Cowpat1989 | but one thing |
07:17.25 | JeffM2501 | and hit the item that says "open terminal here" |
07:17.35 | Cowpat1989 | ok |
07:18.08 | Cowpat1989 | im just taking this down at the moment |
07:18.13 | JeffM2501 | then tell me when that is up |
07:18.14 | Cowpat1989 | im not running linux |
07:18.43 | Cowpat1989 | at the moment that is |
07:18.58 | JeffM2501 | oh |
07:19.04 | JeffM2501 | then I can't help you much |
07:19.09 | JeffM2501 | since you don't know the error |
07:19.52 | Cowpat1989 | how do i find that |
07:20.02 | Cowpat1989 | just run it in a terminal? |
07:20.05 | JeffM2501 | you would run bzfs -d -d -d in that terminal |
07:20.08 | JeffM2501 | and see what it says |
07:20.18 | Cowpat1989 | ok |
07:21.00 | Roxport | having trouble adding where to look for oldstable bzflag in sources.list (for apt-get) |
07:21.01 | Cowpat1989 | i have to reboot into knoppix and then i'll come back with the error |
07:21.12 | JeffM2501 | ok |
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07:22.39 | Roxport | "release not found" (bzflag=1.7e4 or bzflag/oldstable) |
07:23.06 | JeffM2501 | what repository are you in? |
07:23.37 | Roxport | ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ oldstable/games main ? |
07:24.02 | JeffM2501 | 1.7e4 is freaking old man |
07:24.04 | Roxport | "couldn't stat source package list".... |
07:24.10 | Roxport | yeah i know...hm. |
07:24.12 | JeffM2501 | doubt that will be in apt |
07:24.18 | Roxport | ok. |
07:24.27 | JeffM2501 | why do you want that old? |
07:24.37 | JeffM2501 | you like bugs? |
07:24.54 | Roxport | these old-timers insist on playing oldstable style |
07:25.02 | Roxport | no, i don't like bugs. |
07:25.05 | JeffM2501 | that would be 1.10 |
07:25.10 | JeffM2501 | not 1.7 |
07:25.18 | Roxport | yes... |
07:25.22 | JeffM2501 | the package in old stable is just called bzflag |
07:25.23 | Roxport | it's late...sorry |
07:25.25 | JeffM2501 | it's not verisoned |
07:25.30 | Roxport | ok |
07:25.44 | Roxport | i guess what i want is 1.10.6 |
07:26.16 | JeffM2501 | that would be one of the last 1.10s |
07:26.24 | JeffM2501 | learner, brlcad ping |
07:27.08 | Roxport | there is bzflag slackware x86 1.10.6 on sourceforge. that should work on debian, or not? |
07:27.16 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
07:27.22 | JeffM2501 | depends if the libs were compatable |
07:27.43 | Roxport | ok |
07:29.08 | Roxport | sdl-dev and cur13-dev :: do i need to apt-get those? |
07:29.12 | Roxport | to build? |
07:29.13 | JeffM2501 | yes |
07:30.31 | Roxport | can't find the pkg, apt-get says. i think i need more entries in sources.list |
07:30.47 | JeffM2501 | then you should fix that |
07:31.04 | Roxport | i'm trying... |
07:33.27 | Roxport | apt-get update duh! |
07:38.01 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you awake? |
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07:42.50 | Cowpat1989 | hello im back |
07:43.07 | JeffM2501 | I see that |
07:44.46 | Cowpat1989 | this is what it returns |
07:44.49 | Cowpat1989 | lordemrys@tux:/usr/games$ bzfs -d -d -d |
07:44.50 | Cowpat1989 | style: 0 |
07:44.50 | Cowpat1989 | There is a voting arbiter with the following settings: |
07:44.50 | Cowpat1989 | <PROTECTED> |
07:44.50 | Cowpat1989 | <PROTECTED> |
07:44.51 | Cowpat1989 | <PROTECTED> |
07:44.53 | Cowpat1989 | <PROTECTED> |
07:44.55 | Cowpat1989 | <PROTECTED> |
07:44.57 | Cowpat1989 | <PROTECTED> |
07:44.59 | Cowpat1989 | Running a private server with the following settings: |
07:45.01 | Cowpat1989 | <PROTECTED> |
07:45.03 | Cowpat1989 | <PROTECTED> |
07:45.05 | Cowpat1989 | ColDet Octree obstacles = 29 |
07:45.07 | Cowpat1989 | <PROTECTED> |
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07:45.15 | Cowpat1989 | <PROTECTED> |
07:45.17 | Cowpat1989 | <PROTECTED> |
07:45.19 | Cowpat1989 | ColDet Octree leaf nodes = 21 |
07:45.21 | Cowpat1989 | ColDet Octree total nodes = 28 |
07:45.23 | Cowpat1989 | ColDet Octree total elements = 50 |
07:45.25 | Cowpat1989 | Collision Octree processed in 0.005 seconds. |
07:45.27 | Cowpat1989 | Map size: uncompressed = 1025, compressed = 515 |
07:45.29 | Cowpat1989 | Compression: 0.001 seconds |
07:45.31 | Cowpat1989 | MD5 generation: 0.000 seconds |
07:46.52 | JeffM2501 | looks fine |
07:47.03 | Cowpat1989 | mmm thats what i thought |
07:47.13 | JeffM2501 | if you leave that window open, and connect with a client does it work? |
07:47.31 | Cowpat1989 | i haven't tried that yet |
07:47.47 | Cowpat1989 | but when i just opened the binary nothing happened |
07:48.06 | JeffM2501 | binary for what? |
07:48.09 | JeffM2501 | client or server? |
07:48.14 | Cowpat1989 | server |
07:48.20 | Cowpat1989 | client works fine |
07:48.25 | JeffM2501 | you don't "open" the server by double clicking |
07:48.28 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't work that way |
07:48.37 | JeffM2501 | you run it with the terminal |
07:48.46 | Cowpat1989 | thats what im doing wrong then |
07:48.47 | JeffM2501 | and leave that terminal open as long as you want the server up |
07:48.53 | JeffM2501 | that's how linux works |
07:48.54 | purple_cow | sweet zombie jesus, an HP-UX port? |
07:48.56 | Cowpat1989 | ok |
07:49.07 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, aperantly |
07:49.15 | Cowpat1989 | another thing, how do we configure it? |
07:49.23 | purple_cow | i didn't know anyone still used HP-UX |
07:49.42 | JeffM2501 | aperantly |
07:49.56 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, do you know where libtool shoves plugins when it makes them? |
07:51.25 | Cowpat1989 | thanks for your help JeffM2501 |
07:51.32 | JeffM2501 | sure |
07:51.34 | purple_cow | nope. i haven't looked at plugins since brlcad went all libtool-happy |
07:51.44 | purple_cow | maybe a .libs dir? |
07:51.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah got one of those |
07:52.14 | JeffM2501 | has a .a .la and .lai |
07:52.17 | JeffM2501 | in it |
07:52.39 | learner | tupone tied plugins to the enable-shared flag, add that and it'll make them there plugins |
07:52.55 | JeffM2501 | I ran make in the plugins dir myself |
07:53.00 | JeffM2501 | shold that not make them? |
07:53.09 | learner | you have to ./configure --enable-shared |
07:53.34 | JeffM2501 | why is it not the default? |
07:53.36 | purple_cow | that seems like an unintuitive flag |
07:53.37 | learner | i have a fix going in that makes that not necessary, but it's not done yet |
07:53.54 | learner | purple_cow, no kidding |
07:53.57 | JeffM2501 | does the OSX stuff still link with X11 ? |
07:54.12 | learner | yep |
07:54.22 | JeffM2501 | so I go in the makefile and remove the X_ stuff? |
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07:54.43 | learner | or move your X11 out of the way when you configure |
07:54.56 | learner | mv /usr/X11R6 /usr/X11R6.backup |
07:55.02 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
07:55.58 | JeffM2501 | when it builds the plugins where will they go? |
07:56.21 | learner | pre-install, they will be in the .libs dirs |
07:56.30 | JeffM2501 | they will end in .dylib? |
07:56.36 | learner | yes |
07:56.38 | JeffM2501 | cool |
07:56.43 | JeffM2501 | I'm trying to make a dmg :) |
07:56.56 | JeffM2501 | with background picture :) |
07:57.04 | purple_cow | .dylib? |
07:57.11 | purple_cow | what heroin-crazed monkey came up with that? |
07:57.20 | JeffM2501 | they thought difrent |
07:57.37 | purple_cow | hehe |
07:57.45 | learner | well, they're not shared object files in the traditional sense |
07:57.56 | learner | they're dynamicly linked object files :) |
07:58.15 | JeffM2501 | all I wan to do is shove them into a folder in this dmg |
07:58.20 | learner | difference in their runtime behaviors |
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07:59.16 | purple_cow | learner: that doesn't matter. it's a ridiculous extension |
08:01.39 | learner | *shrug*, coulda named em .kittens for all I care |
08:02.54 | learner | oh and you know what.. it might not make files named .dylib now that I think of it |
08:02.54 | JeffM2501 | oh and cvs dosn't have the plist info thing learner |
08:03.03 | JeffM2501 | had to grab one from the existing app |
08:03.18 | JeffM2501 | what will they be named? |
08:03.23 | learner | since the module flag was added, that allows libtool to break the conventional names, and .so's are made |
08:03.47 | learner | since the intent is to run-time load them instead of link against them |
08:03.55 | learner | forgot about that |
08:03.56 | JeffM2501 | is it ok to leave them .so then? |
08:04.03 | learner | yeah, iirc |
08:04.17 | learner | did that so they'd be more consistent if only in naming |
08:05.01 | learner | technically they're still .dylib format, but named .so since it doesn't matter what they are named as the linker doesn't see them |
08:05.12 | JeffM2501 | sure |
08:05.19 | learner | plist info thing? |
08:05.34 | JeffM2501 | the xcode project wanted a file |
08:05.36 | JeffM2501 | that was missing |
08:05.50 | learner | that should have been generated |
08:05.57 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
08:06.01 | JeffM2501 | wasn't for some reason |
08:06.16 | JeffM2501 | coulda been me tho |
08:07.34 | learner | there's a sample info plist in src/platform/MacOSX |
08:07.44 | purple_cow | .kittens would have been good |
08:07.48 | learner | as well as a mkplist.cxx program that jb wrote that auto-generates them |
08:08.24 | learner | the .xcode project uses one of those two methods, forget which |
08:33.40 | JeffM2501 | any way to make the finder show hidden . dirs? |
08:47.39 | JeffM2501 | learner, I just posted the dmg I made |
08:47.51 | JeffM2501 | tried some difrent stuff in the packae |
08:47.57 | JeffM2501 | see how people like it |
08:48.25 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/builds/2.0.x/bzflag-2.0.5p.2005.11.02.dmg |
08:48.42 | JeffM2501 | man pages as HTML like windows, misc dir, plugins stuff like that |
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12:27.43 | cerveni | First: I don't speak English very well. but I'm interesting how to create custom map width _set function. when I sarted map width _set mountins 1 BZFS tell me BZDB error. |
12:30.21 | ruskie | cerveni, do you have an options ... end block in your bzw map? |
12:30.39 | ruskie | if not put it in |
12:30.44 | ruskie | then you need to do this... |
12:30.50 | ruskie | -set _wingsJumpCount 3 |
12:30.58 | ruskie | as an example |
12:31.00 | ruskie | in that block |
12:31.38 | ruskie | that's basicaly all I can help you with |
12:37.00 | cerveni | I donload original map file from other server and i want to play that map, I dont remmemer webadress , I save-it like new.bzw. |
12:37.54 | cerveni | Under file have vertex, material and other variables |
12:38.53 | cerveni | options |
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12:39.04 | cerveni | end |
12:39.06 | cerveni | -set _drawCelestial 1 |
12:39.10 | cerveni | -set _drawClouds 1 |
12:39.17 | cerveni | -set _drawGround 1 |
12:39.37 | cerveni | -set _drawMountains 1 |
12:39.41 | cerveni | -set _drawSky 1 |
12:40.28 | cerveni | I have "end" at end block. |
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12:43.39 | ruskie | well those -sets you have after that end |
12:43.43 | ruskie | those should be before that end |
12:44.39 | trepan | and they're redundant, in two different ways |
12:46.13 | trepan | redundant: Exceeding what is natural or necessary |
12:48.35 | trepan | cerveni: what version of bzfs do you have? 'bzfs -version' |
12:49.29 | cerveni | I have 2.02 for linux, I install that in FC3 |
12:50.13 | trepan | some of those variables don't exit in 2.0.2, and must be removed from the map |
12:50.20 | trepan | (or you could upgrade to 2.0.4) |
12:50.39 | trepan | the _drawXXX variables do not exist in 2.0.2, iirc |
12:51.22 | cerveni | Just download new version from bzflag server. |
12:52.57 | cerveni | Thank's |
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14:50.00 | meacan | Is flag676 for real? |
14:50.38 | TheRedBaron | that ws my question |
14:51.14 | TheRedBaron | *was |
14:51.24 | meacan | it looks like he is gathering backlinks to his site. |
14:51.30 | meacan | collecting* |
14:55.44 | trepan | smells like a bot |
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15:09.39 | brad2901 | flag676 appears to be Super Tanker |
15:10.24 | brad2901 | or maybe not :P |
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15:15.35 | TheRedBaron | You're aren't getting away with it that easy... |
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15:16.00 | ToughShooter | trepan: I saw another Mac user with 2.0.4 STABLE got stuck on my testcase, too |
15:16.15 | trepan | ToughShooter: ok |
15:16.22 | ToughShooter | What needs to be done to get it fixed? |
15:16.50 | ToughShooter | nI see "sealed" showing up one little part of second when I jump on the map |
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15:20.09 | trepan | ToughShooter: find someone who is willing to fix it |
15:20.23 | trepan | i'm not going to remotely debug that problem |
15:20.43 | ToughShooter | jikes |
15:23.10 | ToughShooter | trepan: As described replacing the value -90 with 270 in map fixes the problem. Can the map be changed at server or client side to always get 270 instead of -90? |
15:23.51 | trepan | you've tested all possible cases? |
15:24.20 | ToughShooter | No, I want to know whether this is possible. |
15:25.28 | ToughShooter | Then I could look inside the code and try to change that and look at results but I think you know code better right now. |
15:26.23 | ToughShooter | ok :( |
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16:01.25 | Inferno285 | makeing the bz source on solaris I'm getting the error: "ld: fatal: file /opt/sfw/opt/sparcv9/libstdc++.so" |
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16:02.20 | Inferno285 | ....": wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" |
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16:09.46 | Inferno285 | ...a very specific error...can I tell Makefile where to get "libstdc++.so" from? |
16:10.51 | devster | does it say it cant find it ? |
16:11.56 | Inferno285 | it gets an error when "libtooling" it. |
16:13.08 | devster | it would help more if you pasted more output (see topic) |
16:14.39 | Inferno285 | scroll up |
16:15.03 | Inferno285 | font size="2"> Inferno285: makeing the bz source on solaris I'm getting the error: "ld: fatal: file /opt/sfw/opt/sparcv9/libstdc++.so" |
16:15.29 | devster | is that the only line that gives any indication to the problem? |
16:15.43 | Inferno285 | yeh |
16:17.03 | devster | google not give any help? |
16:21.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/LocalPlayer.cxx: fix a segv related to "-ms 0" |
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17:29.54 | brlcad | Inferno285: you're compiling in 32bit mode and apparently linking against a 64bit library |
17:30.07 | brlcad | you have to stick to either 32bit or 64bit |
17:30.33 | brlcad | probably easiest is to add a linker flag for 32bit, maybe try: gmake LDFLAGS=-m32 |
17:31.19 | brlcad | if that doesn't work, there's a variety of other things that should work |
17:36.36 | brlcad | you probably will have to 'gmake clean' then 'gmake CFLAGS=-m32' first too |
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17:51.15 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I'm awake |
17:51.26 | JeffM2501 | heh |
17:51.37 | JeffM2501 | how does it feel? |
17:52.18 | DTRemenak | surprisingly refreshing :) |
17:52.36 | DTRemenak | <JeffM2501> {#bzflag} DTRemenak, you awake? |
17:53.47 | JeffM2501 | I know |
17:53.55 | JeffM2501 | that was last night tho |
17:53.58 | JeffM2501 | :) |
17:54.08 | DTRemenak | yeah, but I wasn't awake :) |
17:54.14 | JeffM2501 | I gathered that |
17:54.21 | JeffM2501 | learner answerd me up |
17:54.27 | JeffM2501 | was building plugins on the tosh |
17:54.33 | JeffM2501 | with yon libtool |
17:54.49 | DTRemenak | and you thought I could help? heh |
17:55.05 | JeffM2501 | well you would have posibly known where libtool puts its libs |
17:55.14 | JeffM2501 | and given me a hint in the right directon |
17:55.26 | JeffM2501 | so it was worth a shot |
17:55.35 | JeffM2501 | you are kinda smart ya know :) |
17:55.44 | DTRemenak | I have no idea :) I strongly dislike libtool and haven't used a mac in years :) |
17:55.55 | JeffM2501 | it ended up being the same as linux |
17:55.59 | JeffM2501 | so you may have known |
17:56.06 | JeffM2501 | but I was reaching |
17:56.08 | JeffM2501 | it was late |
17:56.19 | JeffM2501 | I had jus watched Star wars, and my spirit was broken |
17:56.23 | DTRemenak | heh |
17:56.29 | DTRemenak | watched all six in a row? |
17:56.37 | JeffM2501 | no just ep3 |
17:56.44 | JeffM2501 | man did that movie suck |
17:57.19 | JeffM2501 | you probably should for completeness and some of the cg scense are good |
17:57.26 | DTRemenak | yeah, I should |
17:57.29 | DTRemenak | just haven't :) |
17:57.34 | JeffM2501 | but man not the way I would have done it all |
17:57.54 | JeffM2501 | you should see clonewars if you haven't |
17:57.57 | JeffM2501 | they are very good |
17:58.07 | _tom | I'm not an autotools guy, so there's a bit of hackery DTRemenak |
17:58.09 | DTRemenak | clonewars? |
17:58.12 | JeffM2501 | yes |
17:58.25 | JeffM2501 | cartoon network micorseries |
17:58.34 | JeffM2501 | it's what the movie should have been |
17:59.05 | DTRemenak | _tom: understandable. mostly I'm curious :) |
18:00.00 | _tom | ahh. HP has gotten a lot less crappy over time. its almost posix compliant now |
18:00.27 | DTRemenak | I love it when people say their platform of choice "has gotten a lot less crappy" ;) |
18:00.34 | _tom | still the buggiest of the platforms I target (and I work on MS) |
18:00.38 | DTRemenak | ~hpux |
18:00.39 | ibot | it has been said that hpux is the worst of all unices out there (except for SCO of course), or more evil than AIX, or extremely painful |
18:00.53 | JeffM2501 | "version 10.2, it sucks a lot less" |
18:00.54 | DTRemenak | ibot doesn't have a very high opinion |
18:00.57 | JeffM2501 | you don't see that in an ad |
18:01.08 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: you do from microsoft, if you read between the lines |
18:01.11 | _tom | my platform of choice is definitely not HP. my company's legacy |
18:01.13 | JeffM2501 | heh |
18:01.45 | DTRemenak | "Windows 98 is more stable than its predecessors, and includes additional diagnostic and monitoring tools..." -> "It still crashes a lot." |
18:01.49 | JeffM2501 | I think you can read that in any product if you read between the lines |
18:02.31 | JeffM2501 | wonder if I could have stickers made that said "now with less suck!" |
18:04.30 | JeffM2501 | well at least I finaly made an OSX version that seems to work for at least some people |
18:04.53 | JeffM2501 | even did one of brlcads little window background images in the DMG :) |
18:05.35 | DTRemenak | heh |
18:05.46 | JeffM2501 | and a set of plugins and docs and stuff |
18:11.33 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
18:11.35 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
18:12.04 | DTRemenak | AIX and Solaris require it to be the other way around :) |
18:12.40 | _tom | so, my biggest issue with the hp port is color |
18:12.58 | DTRemenak | looks like you haven't done sound yet |
18:13.04 | _tom | nah, no speakers :) |
18:13.06 | DTRemenak | that'll be a big task |
18:13.08 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
18:13.17 | DTRemenak | what's up with the color? |
18:13.18 | JeffM2501 | there isn't an SDL for hpunix? |
18:13.19 | _tom | I figured I'd get to it if someone was interested |
18:13.26 | _tom | haven't tried SDL JeffM2501 |
18:13.37 | JeffM2501 | it may help you out |
18:13.42 | JeffM2501 | most platforms are using it now |
18:13.51 | _tom | basically, buildings and tanks do a semi-random downgrade to primary colors |
18:14.02 | _tom | sky, ground, walls all look fine |
18:14.07 | DTRemenak | hm, interesting. running out of texture memory? |
18:14.38 | _tom | I've got a very beefy machine |
18:14.54 | _tom | SDL is available, I'll try it out |
18:15.29 | _tom | eww, they built is with Mesa |
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18:15.34 | _tom | I'll have to grab the source |
18:15.36 | DTRemenak | heh |
18:17.34 | JeffM2501 | if your HP gl is wacky, you may only want to use SDL for sound and input and stuff |
18:18.07 | _tom | HP Gl is usually great, I've got an ATI FireGl card |
18:18.14 | JeffM2501 | oh |
18:18.15 | JeffM2501 | I'm sorry |
18:18.16 | _tom | I'm guessing its just some configuration issue |
18:18.26 | _tom | heh |
18:18.37 | _tom | not an ATI fan? |
18:18.38 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Do you have linux on your mini? |
18:18.39 | JeffM2501 | we loathe the firegl card here |
18:18.45 | _tom | :-| |
18:18.46 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, no |
18:19.03 | JeffM2501 | the fireGL is the worst "high end" card we tested |
18:19.16 | JeffM2501 | tho maybe your drivers are better |
18:19.19 | JeffM2501 | we are under windows |
18:19.30 | DTRemenak | _tom: in his context, "here" is his workplace (CAD/CAM stuff), not "here" as in #bzflag |
18:19.33 | _tom | well, out of the box, its probably not |
18:19.34 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, why do you ask? |
18:19.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah yeah, sorry not bzflag :) |
18:19.44 | _tom | ahh |
18:19.48 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I want to find out more about the spin bug |
18:19.57 | JeffM2501 | why does that need linux? |
18:20.02 | JeffM2501 | on a ppc? |
18:20.14 | ToughShooter | maybe it's due to CPU |
18:20.33 | ToughShooter | I have seen one linux player who got stuck a while ago |
18:20.38 | JeffM2501 | was he ppc? |
18:20.47 | ToughShooter | he left before I could ask |
18:20.54 | DTRemenak | we should send processor arch with MsgVersion |
18:20.56 | JeffM2501 | the only linux ppc person I know is Tim |
18:21.34 | gsnedders | i was going to install linux here, till I discovered no PowerMac G5 fan drivers |
18:21.42 | DTRemenak | could send the running windows version too, on windows. would help debug some problems. |
18:21.52 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, and probably no video drivers |
18:22.16 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, could send video card info too, but then you start geting too personal |
18:22.18 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: my 6800 ultra was picked up my the installer |
18:22.28 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, using the nv driver |
18:22.35 | JeffM2501 | aka, no hardware :) |
18:22.40 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: gl renderer string is *personal*? :) |
18:22.41 | gsnedders | jeffm2501: can't rememebr :) |
18:22.48 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I dono |
18:22.54 | JeffM2501 | somone mentioned it may be |
18:23.03 | JeffM2501 | but yes I'd like to know, OS, CPU, and video |
18:23.07 | JeffM2501 | maybe even audio |
18:23.10 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I know a number of games which report the gl renderer string back to the server. Steam does too, but that's no excuse for anything. |
18:23.11 | JeffM2501 | be nice stats to have |
18:23.20 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Can you please take a look at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1344274&group_id=3248&atid=103248 ? |
18:24.40 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I'm certainly in favor of a notice that we collect that information, and a config setting to opt out. |
18:24.54 | JeffM2501 | that would be cool |
18:24.59 | JeffM2501 | totaly cool |
18:25.07 | JeffM2501 | I think it would help target things better |
18:25.35 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I'd love to see the list server collecting the information itself. I loathe php though. |
18:25.55 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, nvidia does not list linux PPC drivers |
18:26.15 | JeffM2501 | so I doubt you'll get any good acceleration over the "nv" drivers or maybe dri |
18:26.25 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, as do I |
18:26.55 | DTRemenak | o meeeeennnnnnooootume..... :) |
18:27.47 | JeffM2501 | I'm betting that spelling of it dosn't highlight :) |
18:28.01 | Grumbler | statistics are always nice |
18:28.18 | Grumbler | menotume, you quiet slug, wake up |
18:31.00 | Grumbler | on the star wars comment DTRemenak, neither have i, but at 14.99, i might pick it up just to complete the crappy collection |
18:31.15 | JeffM2501 | that's what I did |
18:32.00 | Grumbler | ...on the "now with more suck"......i suggest "sucks in a different way" |
18:32.36 | DTRemenak | _tom: most of your hpux stuff looks pretty good. We can do some configure magic to take care of the socklen_t issue and GL detection. |
18:32.39 | DTRemenak | Where did hpglinterface come from originally? Comments seem to indicate VTK, which is under an LGPL-incompatible license. |
18:32.41 | JeffM2501 | sometimes things just suck the same way, just more |
18:36.15 | Grumbler | now if we could just get gif animations into bzflag texture mappings.......we could sell advertising..........and as a plus, i could get my animated chicken |
18:36.43 | JeffM2501 | just ask trepan to hook up mp3 support |
18:36.49 | JeffM2501 | then you can have your chicken |
18:37.05 | _tom | DTRemenak: I found it in a very old post, I'll look around |
18:37.07 | JeffM2501 | make them use a bounding cylinder for collisions |
18:37.13 | trepan | md3, unless you want compressed chicken sounds |
18:37.16 | JeffM2501 | no |
18:37.22 | Grumbler | heh |
18:37.24 | JeffM2501 | MD3 is the quake model format |
18:37.35 | JeffM2501 | that is what the chicken was in |
18:37.42 | JeffM2501 | from the CTC mod |
18:38.08 | trepan | you can already do animated textures, although it's a tad expensive |
18:38.38 | DTRemenak | we still have all the code sitting around |
18:39.19 | JeffM2501 | probably can at some point |
18:39.25 | JeffM2501 | probably should for 2.2 |
18:39.34 | JeffM2501 | it's another dependency |
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18:40.49 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to see the 3d part of the sound moved into something that could be abstracted |
18:40.58 | JeffM2501 | to let hardware do it on OSs that can support it |
18:41.11 | JeffM2501 | yet OSs that can't let them use the current software mixing |
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18:55.59 | _tom | oops, missed the musky meeting |
18:56.07 | _tom | good thing I dind't have anything to say |
18:56.12 | _tom | except BZ! |
18:58.19 | _tom | oops wrong channel, sorry |
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19:10.44 | _tom | well, DTRemenak, there is no license present in the code and I can't find hide nor hair of where hpglinterface came from. google has failed me :) |
19:11.03 | _tom | there's no reason Mesa wouldn't work, I just prefer the performance |
19:11.29 | DTRemenak | ok, whatever :) |
19:12.46 | DTRemenak | just means we can't really distribute it, since we've got no indication of where it came from |
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19:13.57 | installhead | admin here for GU |
19:14.00 | installhead | n?? |
19:14.05 | installhead | hello |
19:14.13 | JeffM2501 | hello |
19:14.21 | installhead | this is sn0w_m0nkey |
19:14.29 | installhead | are there admins here for GU server? |
19:14.30 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
19:14.30 | ToughShooter | Birdie: ping |
19:14.39 | JeffM2501 | dono |
19:14.42 | ToughShooter | birdie is one of them, IIRC |
19:14.50 | Birdie | yes? |
19:15.00 | Birdie | oh monkey, whats up? |
19:15.02 | installhead | birdie i need your help |
19:15.09 | Birdie | yes? |
19:15.29 | installhead | someone with _sn0w__m0nkey was alias was saying nazi crap |
19:15.37 | installhead | two underscores... |
19:15.43 | installhead | my name on GU server |
19:15.58 | Birdie | still there? |
19:16.02 | installhead | and someone named roger also related to this |
19:16.12 | ToughShooter | sounds quite similar to one the one I saw a few days ago |
19:16.16 | installhead | i would like some help with this |
19:16.37 | installhead | sn0w__m0nkey, two underscores |
19:16.40 | ToughShooter | installhead: I'm curious: Had he around 200ms lag? |
19:16.54 | Birdie | he isnt there anymore |
19:16.57 | Birdie | but i'll make a report |
19:17.04 | installhead | please would you |
19:17.10 | installhead | and roger as well |
19:17.14 | ToughShooter | installhead: That's the lag I noticed for the one who teamkilled and impersonated me |
19:17.33 | Birdie | k |
19:17.41 | Birdie | cant promise it will happen soon, on gu everything can go slow:) |
19:17.45 | Birdie | i'll mail now |
19:17.45 | ToughShooter | for me it was two o |
19:17.58 | JeffM2501 | global reg is your friend :) |
19:18.00 | installhead | ok, i think i will not play there for awhile |
19:18.07 | ToughShooter | Birdie: Would you be please so nice and ask for me, too? |
19:18.16 | Birdie | was it also on gu? |
19:18.18 | Birdie | around wich time |
19:18.21 | ToughShooter | nyes |
19:18.27 | installhead | however i would like to know if this is related to skit and snick |
19:18.55 | ToughShooter | ahem, I would need two search my log for that but I think it is less than last 2 weeks |
19:19.11 | ToughShooter | he came after NTH and you left |
19:19.12 | gsnedders | I've got a problem making BZflag on Mac OS 10.4.3/GCC 4.0.0 |
19:19.27 | installhead | NTH? |
19:19.30 | Birdie | installhead: they wont go that lame(talking nazi crap) |
19:19.40 | installhead | i would hope not |
19:19.45 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, you use fink? |
19:20.00 | JeffM2501 | and I just did a mac build last night |
19:20.01 | installhead | but nazi stuff is really low |
19:20.03 | JeffM2501 | posted it |
19:20.06 | ToughShooter | gsnedders: That usually comes when you "repair permissions" from within disk-utility |
19:20.07 | gsnedders | JeffM2501: we went through this yesterday, and came to the conclusion is wasn't fink |
19:20.20 | JeffM2501 | /sw/lib/libcrypto.0.9.7.dylib |
19:20.26 | installhead | thnx for your time guys |
19:20.34 | JeffM2501 | /sw is usualy fink |
19:20.48 | JeffM2501 | I know for a fact that it builds just fine on 10.4.3 |
19:21.04 | JeffM2501 | something you have is looking for stuff in /sw |
19:21.06 | JeffM2501 | and not finding it |
19:21.20 | Birdie | thoughshooter: tell me when you find it, i'll sent it in it to than |
19:21.26 | gsnedders | then what do I do |
19:21.29 | gsnedders | reinstall fink? |
19:21.35 | JeffM2501 | no fink is evil |
19:21.42 | JeffM2501 | it looks like you have a fink linked libcurl |
19:21.43 | JeffM2501 | somewhere |
19:21.44 | ToughShooter | gsnedders: When you tried to "repair permissions" you can try to uninstall and reinstall dev tools |
19:21.50 | JeffM2501 | libssl is a dead give away |
19:22.18 | gsnedders | reinstall dev tools? :( |
19:22.24 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, do you just want a 2.0.5 build? |
19:22.28 | ToughShooter | but when not used "repair permissions" it's nonsense to reinstall |
19:22.44 | JeffM2501 | where is your libcurl from? |
19:22.54 | gsnedders | might of come from fink a long time ago |
19:23.04 | JeffM2501 | that would be bad |
19:23.21 | JeffM2501 | it is looking for other libs in the fink places |
19:23.33 | JeffM2501 | what do you have in /sw ? |
19:23.37 | gsnedders | nothing. |
19:23.41 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
19:23.46 | gsnedders | uninstalled fink |
19:23.51 | JeffM2501 | did you ever manualy shuffle libs around? |
19:23.54 | gsnedders | nope |
19:23.55 | JeffM2501 | in the past? |
19:23.58 | gsnedders | never. |
19:24.04 | JeffM2501 | or try to build your own libcurl? |
19:24.14 | gsnedders | ummm... |
19:24.26 | gsnedders | might of done, although i don't think i did |
19:24.41 | JeffM2501 | cleaing out libs is a pita |
19:24.46 | JeffM2501 | if you jsut want a build I posted one |
19:24.47 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=57700#57700 |
19:24.55 | gsnedders | nope: got a couple of patches. |
19:25.14 | JeffM2501 | patches? |
19:26.09 | gsnedders | to identify a couple of groups on viper's |
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19:27.34 | JeffM2501 | then you'll need to find out what libs your linking that want libs in sw |
19:27.43 | JeffM2501 | to me it looks like your libcurl |
19:28.42 | JeffM2501 | I'd see how many you have |
19:28.42 | JeffM2501 | I know for a fact that it builds just fine on a normal 10.4 install |
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19:28.43 | gsnedders | any way to get it back to the OS X default? |
19:28.43 | gsnedders | short of a reinstall? |
19:28.43 | JeffM2501 | I did it like 5 times last night :) |
19:28.43 | JeffM2501 | dono |
19:28.57 | JeffM2501 | I'm not an OSX system expert |
19:28.59 | BearPerson | gsnedders, I'd try doing the macos equivalent of "ldconfig" first |
19:29.13 | JeffM2501 | if It was my system with the problem I'd find all my libcurls |
19:29.19 | JeffM2501 | and remove any non apple ones |
19:29.51 | JeffM2501 | BearPerson, if you can't tell him the exact command he's not going to be able to do it |
19:30.03 | BearPerson | /sbin/ldconfig |
19:30.04 | BearPerson | on linux |
19:30.12 | JeffM2501 | OSX is not linux |
19:30.16 | BearPerson | dunno if os X has something that does the same |
19:30.22 | BearPerson | updates /etc/ld.so.cache |
19:30.32 | BearPerson | and creates a few symlinks in */lib |
19:30.39 | JeffM2501 | they probalby have a tool for it, but OSX dosn't use .so files |
19:30.47 | JeffM2501 | it's all dylib stuff |
19:31.03 | gsnedders | jeffm2501: got libcurl in: /Devloper/SDKs/*/usr/lib and /usr/lib |
19:31.20 | JeffM2501 | check your path and find out what one it gets first |
19:31.30 | gsnedders | how? |
19:31.31 | BearPerson | looks to me like -lssl and/or -lcrypto don't get found |
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19:33.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah tha'ts his problem |
19:33.43 | JeffM2501 | makes me think his libcurl linked against them |
19:33.47 | JeffM2501 | gsnedders, export path |
19:34.07 | gsnedders | just in a new terminal? |
19:34.09 | gsnedders | or where? |
19:34.17 | JeffM2501 | yes |
19:34.27 | JeffM2501 | tho if this is over your head a reinstall may be best |
19:34.28 | gsnedders | nothing comes up |
19:34.36 | JeffM2501 | if you screw up you can jack your machine |
19:35.17 | gsnedders | problem is i don't particulary want to reinstall, and have to reinstall all of my other apps |
19:35.39 | JeffM2501 | well then you may just have to go do some reasearch on how to fix lib problems in OSX |
19:35.44 | JeffM2501 | there is no magic easy answer |
19:35.50 | JeffM2501 | you are doing developemnt |
19:36.41 | gsnedders | fuck it. as much as i hate fink, it should at least work with it installed. |
19:36.49 | JeffM2501 | please watch your language |
19:36.54 | gsnedders | sorry... |
19:37.02 | JeffM2501 | fink installs things that are incompatable with the apple libs |
19:37.11 | JeffM2501 | how do you expect that to work? |
19:38.24 | JeffM2501 | you could try replacing the one in your usr/lib with a copy from the dev SDK thing, but it's just a guess and could screw up stuff |
19:38.28 | JeffM2501 | I'd make a back up first |
19:38.46 | JeffM2501 | now when you said you "uninstalled" fink, did you use an uninstall tool? or just throw away the dir? |
19:39.34 | gsnedders | on the fink website, it says to just delete /sw |
19:39.50 | JeffM2501 | well that could have removed too much |
19:40.04 | JeffM2501 | you may want to see if your OSX disks have a "repair" function |
19:40.06 | JeffM2501 | and try that |
19:40.15 | JeffM2501 | then do the same with dev tools |
19:40.21 | JeffM2501 | that sould not make you reinstall your apps |
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19:58.02 | Inferno285 | Aribeth: ping |
19:59.52 | Aribeth | pong |
20:00.22 | Aribeth | inferno285 pong |
20:01.01 | Aribeth | inferno285 ping |
20:01.30 | Aribeth | hummm...no one home |
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20:02.46 | gsnedders | here's the good news: no more errors about stuff in /sw not being found |
20:02.52 | gsnedders | bad news: http://geoffers.uni.cc/bz.txt |
20:02.57 | gsnedders | new errors :( |
20:09.00 | gsnedders | is this better or worse? :P |
20:14.21 | Tupone | gsnedders: what OS is again ? |
20:14.27 | gsnedders | Mac OS 10.4.3 |
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20:14.48 | Tupone | would you mind trying configuring adding --without-regex |
20:15.15 | Tupone | well, not mandatory, do it as you like |
20:15.25 | gsnedders | why does BZflag have regex? |
20:15.33 | Tupone | aww |
20:15.45 | ToughShooter | I have the paranoid feeling you need to use the uninstall script that comes with devtools and then reinstall it from CD |
20:16.02 | gsnedders | i'll try that if this fails. |
20:16.39 | Tupone | gsnedders: regex will not fix it, just a partial fix, more else is there |
20:17.17 | SportChick | grrr - anyone have any idea why a PM I sent on bzbb is still sitting in my outbox 2 days later? |
20:17.39 | ToughShooter | The one hadn't checked mail or hadn't logged in probably |
20:24.06 | gsnedders | Tupone: http://geoffers.uni.cc/bz.txt |
20:25.18 | Tupone | gsnedders: your curl installation is broken |
20:25.22 | Tupone | probably |
20:25.43 | Tupone | better you check with some MacOS'ed guys |
20:26.33 | _Manu_ | gsnedders, hi |
20:26.41 | gsnedders | hi |
20:26.59 | gsnedders | i've got a libcurl.a in /usr/lib, but not /usr/bin |
20:27.31 | Tupone | do you have curl-config? |
20:28.09 | _Manu_ | it's ok in lib directory.. it's a lib not a program |
20:29.21 | gsnedders | Tupone: yeah |
20:29.31 | Tupone | where it is ? |
20:29.40 | gsnedders | _Manu_: then why's it looking for it in /usr/bin? |
20:29.53 | ToughShooter | _Manu_: One time I have seen /usr/lib/bin on a friends debian installation ;) |
20:30.01 | _Manu_ | because it's bad configured/installed |
20:30.04 | gsnedders | Tupone: /usr/bin |
20:30.05 | _Manu_ | ToughShooter, sure :) |
20:30.09 | Tupone | curl-config --libs |
20:30.23 | gsnedders | -L/usr/lib -lcurl -L/sw/lib -lssl -lcrypto -lssl -lcrypto -lz |
20:30.40 | gsnedders | the /sw no longer exists |
20:31.10 | Tupone | it does not seems it apply those. Perhaps you have to clean the cache :/ |
20:31.22 | gsnedders | how? |
20:31.32 | Tupone | perhaps you have another curl-config in some other place that is chosen instead of this |
20:32.02 | gsnedders | nope, only one curl-config |
20:32.05 | ToughShooter | curl-config should be at /usr/bin/curl-config |
20:32.14 | gsnedders | that\s the only place it is. |
20:33.41 | _Manu_ | gsnedders, probably you must uninstall libcurl.. and revise your steps to install it |
20:33.42 | Tupone | bzpastebin your config.log |
20:34.13 | gsnedders | bzpastebin? |
20:34.15 | gsnedders | where? |
20:34.22 | gsnedders | duh |
20:34.26 | gsnedders | :) |
20:34.54 | _Manu_ | heh |
20:35.12 | gsnedders | too big for bzpastebin |
20:35.23 | _Manu_ | ~pastebin |
20:35.26 | ibot | [pastebin] a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca/ |
20:35.27 | Tupone | nope |
20:35.38 | Tupone | you should upload as a file |
20:35.47 | Tupone | ~bzpastebin |
20:35.50 | ibot | bzpastebin is, like, a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
20:35.59 | Tupone | :) |
20:36.00 | gsnedders | "We did say the maximum allowable file size is 60,000 bytes. You sent us a file that is too big. Sorry, it is being ignored." |
20:36.14 | _Manu_ | you can split it |
20:36.16 | _Manu_ | :) |
20:36.17 | Tupone | 60Kbytes? confi.log |
20:36.26 | gsnedders | config.log |
20:36.33 | gsnedders | 116KB |
20:36.53 | Tupone | yep, split that in two |
20:37.14 | Tupone | well, you could upload to your site too |
20:37.19 | gsnedders | http://pastebin.ca/27530 |
20:37.28 | gsnedders | copy and paste works wonders :) |
20:38.15 | gsnedders | need to get rid of all the references to /sw somehow... |
20:38.43 | Tupone | /usr/bin/libcurl.a ? |
20:38.52 | Tupone | what is that? |
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20:38.59 | gsnedders | i dunno |
20:39.08 | gsnedders | doesn't exist, whatever it is. |
20:39.23 | _Manu_ | is really libcurl.a at /usr/bin? |
20:39.35 | gsnedders | no |
20:39.46 | _Manu_ | so it's a bad curl installation |
20:40.07 | Death_Barrel | http://www.factorypro.com/media/yesyesyes.wmv |
20:40.21 | _Manu_ | libcurl.a is the static version of libcurl |
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20:42.41 | Inferno285 | Aribeth: ok, I'm back sry... |
20:42.54 | Aribeth | np |
20:43.19 | Aribeth | whats up? |
20:43.57 | Inferno285 | do you know abouth the"wrong ELF class" error? |
20:43.57 | Aribeth | no |
20:44.09 | Inferno285 | :o |
20:44.19 | JeffM2501 | like ranger insted of wizard? |
20:44.33 | JeffM2501 | elven clerics are just wrong |
20:44.53 | Inferno285 | well I know that it is related to 64 bit processor files vs 32 bit |
20:45.00 | JeffM2501 | yes |
20:45.03 | Aribeth | hehe |
20:45.13 | JeffM2501 | you are trying to run the wrong one for your hardware |
20:45.30 | Inferno285 | yeh, but bzflag is the evil runner |
20:45.33 | Inferno285 | :P |
20:45.45 | JeffM2501 | you have the wrong one then |
20:46.01 | Inferno285 | I have 2 copies, on e for 32 and one for 64 |
20:46.04 | JeffM2501 | or it's using libs from a 32bit lib |
20:46.09 | JeffM2501 | http://pari.math.u-bordeaux.fr/archives/pari-dev-0310/msg00034.html |
20:46.12 | JeffM2501 | google is your friend man |
20:46.22 | Inferno285 | I googled it already |
20:46.53 | JeffM2501 | then you should know what the problem is |
20:47.24 | JeffM2501 | you are on 64 bit solaris? |
20:47.39 | Inferno285 | I do, but I don't know how to make bzflag run a different file |
20:47.41 | Inferno285 | 32... |
20:47.58 | JeffM2501 | are you tring to run the 64 bit versioin of bzflag? |
20:48.09 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosn't "run" files |
20:48.11 | Inferno285 | huh? |
20:48.13 | JeffM2501 | you run the bzflag file |
20:48.41 | JeffM2501 | the bzflag executable you are running, was it built for 32 bit or 64? |
20:48.43 | Inferno285 | yeh your right..that's why I asked aribeth, solaris expert |
20:48.56 | Inferno285 | Jeff, I have no idea. |
20:49.03 | JeffM2501 | where did you get it? |
20:49.47 | Inferno285 | just a sec |
20:49.51 | Aribeth | inferno285, you will need to find out |
20:50.05 | Inferno285 | find out hat? |
20:50.08 | Inferno285 | *what* |
20:50.20 | JeffM2501 | what your exe is |
20:50.26 | JeffM2501 | where did you get it? |
20:50.39 | Aribeth | lol |
20:50.58 | Inferno285 | *looking* |
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20:54.24 | Inferno285 | did A firefox history search..whew...http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.4.20050930.tar.bz2?use_mirror=easynews |
20:54.26 | SilentSwan | hmm |
20:54.35 | JeffM2501 | so you built it? |
20:54.40 | JeffM2501 | that's all you had to say |
20:54.55 | Inferno285 | I "./configured" it! |
20:55.03 | JeffM2501 | that is part of building |
20:55.13 | JeffM2501 | you did the autogen then config then make? |
20:55.15 | Inferno285 | I haven't "make"ed it because of the above error |
20:55.23 | Inferno285 | yeh |
20:55.25 | JeffM2501 | ok then what gives you that error? |
20:55.29 | JeffM2501 | what is the exact error |
20:56.27 | Inferno285 | "ld: fatal: file /opt/sfw/lib/sparcv9/libstdc++.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" |
20:56.43 | JeffM2501 | your libc is not the right one for your OS |
20:56.48 | JeffM2501 | you need to fix that |
20:57.01 | JeffM2501 | probably a 64 bit lib c |
20:57.07 | JeffM2501 | on a 32 bit system |
20:57.12 | SilentSwan | ah the joys of sfw crap |
20:57.15 | Inferno285 | I have a libc for 32 system too |
20:57.27 | JeffM2501 | then you want it to use that |
20:57.33 | Inferno285 | yeh, how? |
20:57.40 | JeffM2501 | make sure it's first in the path |
20:57.49 | JeffM2501 | why do you have 64 bit libs on a 32 bit system? |
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20:57.59 | SilentSwan | sparcv9 is 64 |
20:58.01 | Inferno285 | caem with :S |
20:58.16 | JeffM2501 | then fix up your OS so it won't use em by default |
20:58.36 | Inferno285 | Aribeth, do you know about that one? |
20:58.46 | JeffM2501 | Lose my head to the chemical freeway, Comin' up on overload |
20:58.47 | JeffM2501 | In a mystic new dimension, Purify and sanctify me |
20:58.48 | JeffM2501 | What, so I'm in no end game, Move my piece right off the board |
20:58.48 | JeffM2501 | Losing sure is easy so I am no more |
20:58.48 | JeffM2501 | But I'm not broken, in my dream I win. In here I'm nothing, a Cosmic Castaway |
20:59.11 | Inferno285 | how do I find if I have 32 or 64? |
20:59.29 | JeffM2501 | you should now by the computer I would think right? |
20:59.52 | Inferno285 | is it...server side or client side? |
20:59.52 | Aribeth | ok |
21:00.49 | Aribeth | when you boot do you see a message that says 64 OS installed, but running 32 bit os |
21:01.10 | Aribeth | do you see that message? |
21:01.13 | Inferno285 | no |
21:01.56 | Inferno285 | again, is CPU server side or client side? |
21:02.31 | JeffM2501 | oh your on your whackass thin client? |
21:03.16 | brlcad | Inferno285: did you do the two things I said? |
21:03.30 | Inferno285 | which are? |
21:03.43 | JeffM2501 | so that means "no" |
21:03.47 | Inferno285 | I have the "PATH=" yes |
21:04.02 | brlcad | 12:29 <@brlcad> Inferno285: you're compiling in 32bit mode and apparently linking against a 64bit library |
21:04.05 | brlcad | 12:30 <@brlcad> you have to stick to either 32bit or 64bit |
21:04.07 | brlcad | 12:30 <@brlcad> probably easiest is to add a linker flag for 32bit, maybe try: gmake LDFLAGS=-m32 |
21:04.11 | brlcad | 12:31 <@brlcad> if that doesn't work, there's a variety of other things that should work |
21:04.13 | brlcad | 12:36 <@brlcad> you probably will have to 'gmake clean' then 'gmake CFLAGS=-m32' first too |
21:04.31 | Aribeth | yep |
21:04.43 | Inferno285 | I totaly missed that...sry |
21:04.54 | brlcad | basically, gmake clean, gmake CFLAGS=-m32 LDFLAGS=-m32 |
21:05.25 | Inferno285 | *running* |
21:05.55 | Inferno285 | same error, should I try it with -m64? |
21:06.08 | brlcad | sure |
21:06.29 | brlcad | libtool detected XXbit at configure time |
21:06.47 | brlcad | you could rerun configure with the -m32 as well and/or set the ABI env var iirc |
21:07.26 | Inferno285 | ABI..to what? |
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21:08.11 | brlcad | try it without it first |
21:08.15 | brlcad | you'd have to read the ld manpage |
21:08.53 | bz1955 | . |
21:09.04 | Inferno285 | I tried it with 64 and got many more errors, probably meaning it's an 32 bit |
21:09.17 | Inferno285 | so *reconfiguring* |
21:09.23 | brlcad | you did a clean beforehand, yes? |
21:09.29 | brlcad | you must clean before trying anything new |
21:09.57 | Inferno285 | oh, didn't sry, how do I do that? |
21:10.28 | brlcad | you uhm, run, uhm |
21:10.30 | Inferno285 | delte config.status? |
21:10.31 | brlcad | gmake clean |
21:11.11 | Inferno285 | timely stuff |
21:12.11 | Inferno285 | BTW, I do edit the makefile to put bzfs at the top of the list so I don't have to wait 30 minutes! |
21:14.17 | brlcad | bzfs is dependent on several of the libraries that preceed it |
21:14.35 | Inferno285 | could that be it you think? |
21:14.43 | Inferno285 | it's an ELF error... |
21:15.08 | brlcad | no that's not the elf error, the elf error is inconsistency in your build bitness |
21:15.26 | brlcad | but that doesn't mean it'll work if it tries to link without it's libraries being built |
21:16.11 | Inferno285 | ok, I'll try it "correctly" will you be here in..say 30 minutes |
21:21.11 | Inferno285 | does it normally take that long? |
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21:23.02 | JeffM2501 | who wants to live forever? who wants to live forever? ... who dares to love forever? |
21:23.38 | brlcad | i'll see you that dare and raise you two quid |
21:23.45 | Aribeth | i do, i do, i do :P |
21:23.59 | JeffM2501 | I see your quid and raise you a squid |
21:24.17 | Aribeth | i see that and rais you a Marine |
21:24.19 | Aribeth | :P |
21:24.24 | Inferno285 | live forever *choke* |
21:24.25 | JeffM2501 | is she hot? |
21:24.34 | Aribeth | yep |
21:25.19 | Aribeth | i am inmortal inferno285 |
21:25.32 | Inferno285 | *immortal* |
21:25.44 | Inferno285 | I bet you are |
21:25.50 | JeffM2501 | I have inside me blood of kings |
21:25.52 | Aribeth | oops, corrected my own good spelling |
21:25.53 | brlcad | Aribeth: sounds kinky |
21:26.09 | Aribeth | :) |
21:26.29 | Aribeth | lol |
21:27.33 | Aribeth | ahhh karma |
21:28.02 | Aribeth | i must have generated some bad karma for myself in some past life |
21:28.20 | Inferno285 | ~karma |
21:28.20 | ibot | inferno285 has karma of -1 |
21:28.22 | Aribeth | and im paying for it now :P |
21:28.43 | Inferno285 | ~karma Aribeth |
21:28.43 | ibot | aribeth has karma of 25 |
21:28.48 | Inferno285 | wow |
21:28.49 | Aribeth | :) |
21:28.54 | JeffM2501 | ~karma JeffM2501 |
21:28.54 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 76 |
21:29.11 | JeffM2501 | must get tim to move over the karma from the past life one day |
21:29.21 | Aribeth | ya |
21:29.34 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, you you do a karmic transfer? |
21:29.37 | Inferno285 | brlcad, YAY, that worked :) |
21:29.43 | TimRiker | you you? |
21:29.50 | JeffM2501 | can sorry |
21:29.51 | TimRiker | =) |
21:29.57 | JeffM2501 | pat -> me :) |
21:30.07 | TimRiker | additive? |
21:30.13 | JeffM2501 | I'd think so |
21:30.21 | JeffM2501 | he stoped when I started |
21:30.35 | JeffM2501 | he was a bit of an idiot tho |
21:31.06 | Aribeth | still its your karma jeff |
21:31.18 | JeffM2501 | it is |
21:31.28 | JeffM2501 | tho SC did most of it |
21:31.30 | Inferno285 | next error: |
21:31.30 | Inferno285 | *** No rule to make target `../obstacle/libObstacle.la', needed by `bzfs'. Stop. |
21:31.34 | JeffM2501 | cus I sent her a puter |
21:32.23 | brlcad | Inferno285: that's your fault |
21:32.28 | brlcad | for moving bzfs around |
21:32.37 | Inferno285 | really, COOL!! |
21:32.38 | brlcad | put it back |
21:32.42 | Inferno285 | I will |
21:32.48 | JeffM2501 | rule 1 of makefile messing, "don't want none.. don't start none" |
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21:33.22 | Tupone | JeffM2501: how does the autotool learning phase proceed? |
21:33.37 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, sadly I didn't get time to read much last ngiht |
21:33.45 | Inferno285 | 2 hours of nothing, here goes |
21:33.50 | JeffM2501 | watched a bad bad movie |
21:33.54 | JeffM2501 | then did an OSX build |
21:33.59 | JeffM2501 | till the wee hours of the night |
21:34.02 | A_Meteorite | did it work? |
21:34.05 | A_Meteorite | ;) |
21:34.09 | Inferno285 | ~bad movie |
21:34.10 | ibot | Bad movie, bad! No cookie for you! |
21:34.12 | JeffM2501 | A_Meteorite, you don't read bzbb? |
21:34.19 | A_Meteorite | yes |
21:34.26 | JeffM2501 | then you know how it went |
21:34.29 | A_Meteorite | the plugins won't work |
21:34.40 | JeffM2501 | they should |
21:34.41 | A_Meteorite | on either -loadplugin or /loadplugin |
21:34.52 | JeffM2501 | then that's how it went :) |
21:35.08 | A_Meteorite | getting error: |
21:35.22 | A_Meteorite | <PROTECTED> |
21:35.31 | A_Meteorite | dyld: lazy symbol binding failed: Symbol not found: __Z15bz_debugMessageiPKc |
21:35.32 | A_Meteorite | <PROTECTED> |
21:35.32 | A_Meteorite | <PROTECTED> |
21:35.33 | A_Meteorite | dyld: Symbol not found: __Z15bz_debugMessageiPKc |
21:35.33 | A_Meteorite | <PROTECTED> |
21:35.35 | A_Meteorite | <PROTECTED> |
21:35.37 | A_Meteorite | logout |
21:35.51 | A_Meteorite | that's in the bzfs window |
21:35.52 | JeffM2501 | pastebin man |
21:35.53 | JeffM2501 | pastebin |
21:35.55 | A_Meteorite | k |
21:36.08 | JeffM2501 | then plugins are busted on the mac |
21:36.42 | JeffM2501 | I'll rebuild when learner finishes his changes |
21:36.47 | A_Meteorite | k |
21:36.52 | A_Meteorite | posting... |
21:37.05 | JeffM2501 | why? |
21:37.09 | JeffM2501 | not like I can fix it |
21:37.18 | A_Meteorite | just so you can see |
21:37.26 | JeffM2501 | I don't realy care to see |
21:37.31 | A_Meteorite | oh... |
21:37.43 | JeffM2501 | the makefile changed in regards to how plugins are made |
21:37.48 | JeffM2501 | it is busted |
21:37.50 | A_Meteorite | ahh |
21:38.01 | JeffM2501 | learner said he was making some changes to it, when he is done, it shoudl work again |
21:38.03 | A_Meteorite | ok, when it is fixed can you do a new build please? |
21:38.16 | JeffM2501 | <JeffM2501> I'll rebuild when learner finishes his changes |
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21:38.19 | TimRiker | ~karma JeffM2501 |
21:38.19 | ibot | jeffm2501 has karma of 314 |
21:38.25 | JeffM2501 | wow |
21:38.27 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
21:38.28 | A_Meteorite | thank you |
21:38.30 | Inferno285 | JeffM2501, do you do solaris builds? |
21:38.37 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, no, I use real computers |
21:38.45 | TimRiker | that other guy has 0 karma now. |
21:38.52 | Inferno285 | ~karma |
21:38.52 | ibot | inferno285 has karma of -1 |
21:39.00 | JeffM2501 | death is a natural part of life |
21:39.05 | TimRiker | =) |
21:39.08 | A_Meteorite | ~karma |
21:39.08 | ibot | a_meteorite has neutral karma |
21:39.09 | JeffM2501 | it was his time to go |
21:39.10 | Inferno285 | "the other guy" mustn't be me :( |
21:39.13 | JeffM2501 | stupid name anyway |
21:39.14 | A_Meteorite | lol |
21:39.15 | BenUrban | ~JeffM2501-- |
21:39.16 | BenUrban | that's one... |
21:39.18 | BenUrban | heh |
21:39.20 | BenUrban | ~karma |
21:39.20 | ibot | benurban has karma of -2 |
21:39.26 | JeffM2501 | what was that for? |
21:39.28 | Inferno285 | hehe |
21:39.33 | JeffM2501 | that's not very nice |
21:39.49 | Aribeth | ~lart BenUrban |
21:39.58 | A_Meteorite | woah |
21:40.00 | Inferno285 | lol |
21:40.21 | A_Meteorite | isn't there spank? |
21:40.24 | Aribeth | ~ bad BenUrban |
21:40.26 | ibot | Bad BenUrban, bad! No cookie for you! |
21:40.30 | BenUrban | ~spank A_Meteorite |
21:40.31 | ibot | ACTION bends A_Meteorite over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on A_Meteorite's pasty white buttocks. |
21:40.37 | brlcad | that debugMessage symbol isn't related to the changes i made or am making.. |
21:40.42 | A_Meteorite | that's um nice.. |
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21:40.56 | JeffM2501 | ok |
21:40.57 | TimRiker | ok, lay off the bot and resume bzflag discussions. |
21:41.03 | brlcad | bz_debugMessage is where? |
21:41.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
21:41.12 | JeffM2501 | in the API |
21:41.14 | Aribeth | ~jeffM2501++ |
21:41.14 | JeffM2501 | with all the others |
21:41.18 | JeffM2501 | or at least should be |
21:41.23 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it didn't move |
21:41.24 | Inferno285 | Tim, are you an active delevoper? |
21:41.35 | BenUrban | lmao |
21:41.38 | brlcad | "in the api" as in src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx? |
21:41.42 | JeffM2501 | tim is the maintainer there skip |
21:41.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah should be |
21:41.57 | Aribeth | thats like asking the sky if its blue |
21:42.01 | BenUrban | indeed |
21:42.09 | BenUrban | though sometimes it's orange |
21:42.11 | brlcad | still perhaps a valid question :) |
21:42.15 | BenUrban | oh hi orange |
21:42.17 | BenUrban | ;) |
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21:42.49 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
21:43.05 | BenUrban | sigh |
21:43.06 | BenUrban | bad joke |
21:43.14 | orange | BenUrban: pong |
21:43.19 | BenUrban | heh |
21:43.22 | Aribeth | hi orange |
21:43.26 | JeffM2501 | lined 1186 in bzfsAPI.cxx |
21:43.57 | orange | hiya aribeth |
21:43.57 | JeffM2501 | that starts the debug logers |
21:44.35 | orange | aribeth: http://www.frappr.com/bzflagplayers |
21:44.42 | TimRiker | ~dict active |
21:45.13 | Inferno285 | who is "owner" of ibot? |
21:45.20 | orange | you guessed it |
21:45.25 | TimRiker | ~owner |
21:45.27 | ibot | TimRiker is my owner |
21:45.32 | BenUrban | heh |
21:45.35 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, wonder if it dosnt like the BZF_API void bz_debugMessagef( int debugLevel, const char* fmt, ... ); one |
21:45.39 | Inferno285 | cool |
21:45.50 | TimRiker | BenUrban: =) |
21:46.07 | BenUrban | or something like that ;) |
21:46.08 | brlcad | ah, hm |
21:46.23 | brlcad | JeffM2501: perhaps.. |
21:46.52 | brlcad | the dynamic linker might not be able to discern between the two at runtime even after name mangling.. dunno |
21:47.02 | JeffM2501 | that's the only one I can think that would be nonstandard |
21:47.15 | brlcad | it is odd that it'd focus on just that one |
21:47.29 | JeffM2501 | probalby the only one used in that plugin |
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21:47.34 | JeffM2501 | I can test it when I get home |
21:47.43 | JeffM2501 | I'll check a plugin and see what it's using |
21:48.12 | JeffM2501 | maybe it needs a more unique name |
21:48.13 | brlcad | should be able to get rid of the first one |
21:48.18 | brlcad | the second covers it |
21:48.30 | JeffM2501 | true |
21:48.38 | brlcad | fmt == message with no va_list |
21:49.12 | brlcad | oh, but they are named different |
21:49.14 | brlcad | duh |
21:49.16 | JeffM2501 | then when I get home I'll pull it, and rename |
21:49.20 | JeffM2501 | there arn't that many that use it |
21:49.24 | JeffM2501 | we can just have them change |
21:49.32 | JeffM2501 | it'll be an API version bump tho |
21:49.33 | brlcad | i didn't notice the f |
21:49.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
21:49.39 | brlcad | it's complaining about the non-f one |
21:49.43 | JeffM2501 | oh |
21:49.47 | JeffM2501 | wierd then |
21:49.51 | brlcad | yeah |
21:50.38 | brlcad | so it might be what I was thinking originally, might be the first symbol it encounters |
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21:51.09 | brlcad | ah, now I remember! |
21:51.43 | brlcad | the symbols are in the bzfs binary.. but if they strip bzfs, the symbols names are gone and the dynamic linker can't resolve |
21:52.31 | JeffM2501 | how did I "strip" it? |
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21:56.01 | prodan | moin |
21:56.48 | brlcad | bzfs would be stripped |
21:57.18 | brlcad | the bzfs shipped in the distro is/was stripped as it saves loads of megs |
21:57.33 | brlcad | if he's using that one, he'd get that error |
21:58.01 | brlcad | some kids just strip it for the sake of stripping even when they build it though too |
21:58.26 | brlcad | the problem is that bzfsAPI.cxx should be pulled into it's own lib (probably along with the rest of the bzfs) sources |
21:58.38 | brlcad | and bzfs links against it for resolution, as do the plugins |
21:58.43 | brlcad | so there is nothing to resolve |
21:58.50 | brlcad | that should work |
21:59.26 | brlcad | just requires a lil bit of makefile restructuring, i'll add that in to the new configure stuff for the plugins |
22:06.45 | _tom | so, earlier, someone suggested SDL would help out with my HP port. I rebuilt with SDL, but don't see any differences? What is SDL supposed to assist with? |
22:07.20 | _tom | I'm guessing it was related to the fact that I haven't done the sound yet. |
22:07.48 | JeffM2501 | SDL abstracts window, sound, and input |
22:07.58 | JeffM2501 | mostly it coudl help with your sound |
22:08.12 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, he was using the one I build last night |
22:08.56 | _tom | darn, no magic pill for my color troubles |
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22:09.22 | brlcad | JeffM2501: how'd you build? |
22:09.37 | brlcad | i don't recall if I added stripping to the xcode steps |
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22:09.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Fix handicap |
22:11.40 | JeffM2501 | I build with command line |
22:11.45 | JeffM2501 | then ran the xcode |
22:11.49 | JeffM2501 | to do the package |
22:12.00 | Inferno285 | didn't work, what was the 32 option for configure |
22:12.07 | JeffM2501 | configed using --enable-shared |
22:12.10 | brlcad | here's a question.. how big is the bzfs binary? |
22:12.23 | brlcad | and if you strip it, does it get any smaller? :) |
22:12.26 | JeffM2501 | it was smaller then I remember |
22:12.34 | JeffM2501 | the entire package was like 16 megs |
22:12.41 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it used to be like in the 30s |
22:12.46 | JeffM2501 | so it may be stripped |
22:12.48 | brlcad | uncompressed or compressed? |
22:12.55 | JeffM2501 | I just didn't do any manual strip command |
22:12.59 | JeffM2501 | uncompressed |
22:13.11 | JeffM2501 | grab the dmg :) |
22:13.16 | JeffM2501 | I dopn't have a mac here to check |
22:13.26 | brlcad | oh yeah.. 16mb uncompresssed wouldn't be with symbols |
22:13.30 | Pimpi | 21M |
22:13.39 | Inferno285 | I did "./configure --disable-shared" yes |
22:13.41 | JeffM2501 | the dmg has other stuff in it too |
22:13.54 | JeffM2501 | I added some pluigins, the misc dir, and docs |
22:14.21 | brlcad | stripping should be fine, it's the nature of how the plugin is calling symbols from the binary that's horking it up |
22:14.31 | brlcad | it just needs to be in a lib |
22:14.44 | Inferno285 | hm, so what do I do for "./configure"? |
22:14.45 | JeffM2501 | so plugins just don't work on the mac yet then |
22:14.49 | Pimpi | 2,5M stripped |
22:15.01 | brlcad | they should if bzfs isn't stripped |
22:15.17 | JeffM2501 | then the xcode thingy must strip |
22:15.20 | brlcad | there's likely a strip step in xcode |
22:15.35 | JeffM2501 | so if I rebuild bzfs and manualy put it in the package that would work |
22:15.49 | brlcad | Inferno285: saying it doesn't work doesn't help as to why -- what happened when you put it back? |
22:16.12 | brlcad | JeffM2501: yeah, that should work |
22:16.20 | JeffM2501 | k, I'll do that tonight and repost |
22:16.30 | Inferno285 | brlcad, same error... ELF |
22:16.38 | JeffM2501 | so you plan on making it use a bzfs static lib? |
22:16.46 | JeffM2501 | sounds a lot like how windows does it |
22:16.53 | brlcad | Inferno285: you'd gotten past the elf error with some combination of flags/cleans |
22:17.20 | brlcad | you're likely not using the same flags/cleans correctly again |
22:17.28 | brlcad | JeffM2501: yeah, pretty much |
22:17.41 | Inferno285 | I got another error..stopping the gmake. Which must have come before ELF |
22:17.41 | JeffM2501 | that method makes more sense to me |
22:18.21 | JeffM2501 | on an unrelated note, can a mac boot to a USB drive? |
22:18.32 | Inferno285 | can I just not install bzfs or what? |
22:19.40 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B01F3E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
22:20.34 | Inferno285 | brlcad, is it possible to not install bzfs? |
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22:27.32 | brlcad | Inferno285: to be honest, you're making this quite difficult -- more than it needs to be |
22:28.08 | Inferno285 | how can I make it easier? |
22:28.10 | brlcad | try this, unpack the bzflag sources again -- new directory -- don't edit files (none) |
22:28.19 | Inferno285 | ok |
22:28.34 | JeffM2501 | if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it :) |
22:29.07 | brlcad | export LD_NOEXEC_64=1 |
22:29.14 | brlcad | echo $LIBPATH |
22:29.17 | brlcad | what does it output? |
22:30.39 | Inferno285 | blank |
22:30.42 | Inferno285 | nothing |
22:30.47 | Inferno285 | zilch |
22:31.14 | brlcad | export LIBPATH=/usr/lib |
22:31.57 | brlcad | now run ./configure and watch for an ld line |
22:32.17 | Inferno285 | huh, I'm still unpacking new copy |
22:32.23 | brlcad | k |
22:32.27 | Inferno285 | beaulieus@sun8# export LIBPATH=/usr/lib |
22:32.27 | Inferno285 | LIBPATH=/usr/lib: is not an identifier |
22:32.51 | brlcad | so you didn't do the LD_NOEXEC_64 line either then |
22:33.05 | Inferno285 | yeh, exactly |
22:33.17 | brlcad | 17:28 < Inferno285> how can I make it easier? |
22:33.20 | brlcad | stop doing that |
22:33.32 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
22:33.45 | brlcad | run them without the export |
22:33.50 | brlcad | (both) |
22:33.58 | brlcad | then: export LD_NOEXEC_64 LIBPATH |
22:35.21 | Inferno285 | done |
22:35.32 | brlcad | now run ./configure and watch for an ld line |
22:36.26 | Inferno285 | should I do anything first.. |
22:36.56 | brlcad | do you have a configure file? |
22:37.15 | brlcad | ls -la configure |
22:37.41 | Inferno285 | yeh |
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22:37.59 | brlcad | okay, run: |
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22:39.43 | brlcad | ./configure LDFLAGS=-L/usr/lib CFLAGS=-m32 |
22:40.02 | brlcad | hopefully it'll pass the compiler sanity check |
22:42.03 | Inferno285 | *running* |
22:46.57 | brlcad | is it not done yet? |
22:47.06 | Inferno285 | almost |
22:47.46 | brlcad | when it completes: |
22:47.48 | brlcad | bash |
22:48.01 | brlcad | gmake 2>&1 | tee build.log |
22:48.04 | Birdie | thoughshooter ping |
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22:48.15 | Inferno285 | ok |
22:48.19 | Ice_Wewe | hello |
22:48.23 | Inferno285 | I never did "bash" before |
22:48.36 | Birdie | dang he left allready |
22:48.37 | brlcad | Inferno285: if it fails, send me the build.log and config.log files via e-mail |
22:49.00 | Inferno285 | email? |
22:49.06 | Inferno285 | ..adress? |
22:49.22 | Ice_Wewe | I was wondering what the command to install bzflag into a non-default directory is (if you're compiling from source)... My dad says it is "./configure --prefix=/path/to/alt/dir/". I did make install --help, and I think it is "make install --directory=/path/to/alt/dir/" |
22:49.50 | devster | configure way is better i think |
22:49.52 | brlcad | Inferno285: fyi, you're not identified so you can't respond in private -- but did you get it? |
22:50.23 | brlcad | Ice_Wewe: listen to your dad |
22:50.26 | Inferno285 | no,I can get identified now...just tell me how |
22:51.26 | Ice_Wewe | thx... |
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22:58.23 | Inferno285 | errr, brlcad. some history. laudio was having an error so I remvoed that in the previous copy of source. So it's isn't working. |
22:59.43 | orange | ~DTRemenak++ |
22:59.47 | orange | for mousegrab binding |
23:00.22 | Inferno285 | ~karma orange |
23:00.22 | ibot | orange has karma of 25 |
23:00.24 | Tupone | orange: you work windowed ? |
23:00.29 | orange | yes |
23:00.35 | Inferno285 | ~orange++ |
23:00.41 | Inferno285 | ~karma orange |
23:00.41 | ibot | orange has karma of 26 |
23:00.43 | orange | well, thanks :-) |
23:01.02 | orange | dunno what for, but thanks :-) |
23:01.17 | Inferno285 | hm, it was an experimennt. well...and you have been good |
23:05.37 | brlcad | Inferno285: send me the build and config log regardless |
23:05.39 | orange | Tupone: dual monitor, and without window I get both screens black, then bzflag right in the middle one screen wide, but spanning the two screens :-) |
23:05.46 | brlcad | just don't edit the files |
23:06.04 | orange | but, I like it anyway, I'm used to it, and it lets me run with slightly less resolution, which is faster |
23:06.07 | brlcad | brlcad @ users.sf.net should work |
23:06.38 | JeffM2501 | orange, what OS? |
23:06.47 | Inferno285 | ~bzpastebin |
23:06.48 | ibot | bzpastebin is, like, a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel, and it archives too. - try http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
23:06.50 | Tupone | hmm, I remember some setting for xinerama in sdl, perhaps only mac |
23:07.20 | JeffM2501 | I had that problem, I was able to set my xconfig to give BZ a single display res |
23:07.33 | JeffM2501 | with out doing window |
23:08.11 | JeffM2501 | then in BZ I could choose one or 2 displays in the res menu |
23:08.53 | Tupone | sometime, without going full screen, you loss some speed enhancement on double buffering. Maybe only with quadro (?) |
23:08.53 | Inferno285 | brlcad, can I pastebin it? |
23:09.09 | orange | JeffM2501: redhat 9 |
23:09.12 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, no your right, it can happen on any card |
23:09.16 | JeffM2501 | orange, what video chipset? |
23:10.09 | orange | geforce fx5500 |
23:10.15 | JeffM2501 | ahh good |
23:10.36 | orange | heh, you helped me pick it :-) |
23:10.39 | JeffM2501 | then all you have to do is set the a meta mode |
23:10.50 | JeffM2501 | what res do you run your displays at? |
23:11.05 | orange | 1280x1024 |
23:11.08 | orange | native lcd resolutions |
23:11.17 | JeffM2501 | ok, in your x config |
23:12.09 | JeffM2501 | add Option "MetaModes" "1280x1024, 1280x1024; 1280x1024, NULL" |
23:12.26 | JeffM2501 | then in BZ you will see 2 full screen modes |
23:12.42 | orange | Option "MetaModes" "DFP-0:1280x1024,CRT-0:1280x1024;DFP-0:1280x1024,CRT- |
23:12.42 | orange | 0:NULL;DFP-0:NULL,CRT-0:1280x1024" |
23:12.48 | orange | I already had that |
23:12.59 | orange | which I think is the same thing |
23:13.14 | JeffM2501 | the way I did it, I had 2 reses in BZ |
23:13.17 | JeffM2501 | one was double wide |
23:13.22 | JeffM2501 | one was 1 screen |
23:13.49 | JeffM2501 | you should not have to run in a window |
23:13.53 | orange | yep, you're right... it's there |
23:13.54 | orange | but... |
23:14.00 | JeffM2501 | check in BZ |
23:14.01 | orange | it won't leave my other screen as desktop |
23:14.06 | JeffM2501 | true |
23:14.08 | JeffM2501 | it won't |
23:14.12 | JeffM2501 | then you have to run in window |
23:14.15 | JeffM2501 | and take the performance hit |
23:14.24 | JeffM2501 | there is no way around that in linux |
23:14.24 | orange | yeah, maybe for matches I'll switch |
23:14.48 | JeffM2501 | well at least you know your options :) |
23:14.55 | orange | yes, cool... thanks! |
23:15.07 | orange | wonder how much faster it is... I'll do some testing later tonight |
23:15.29 | JeffM2501 | it lets many cards go into a page flip mode, and can be very fast |
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23:17.40 | Tupone | hmm what having 1 X server on each of the 2 screens? you loose drag and drop between the screen, but you can play full screen and have a monitor for other stuff |
23:18.16 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone: does bzflag support that? does linux support that? |
23:18.30 | JeffM2501 | x supports multiple displays |
23:18.33 | JeffM2501 | in various modes |
23:18.45 | JeffM2501 | using various extensions |
23:18.54 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: yes, so does that mean that one would have to run 2 X servers to do this? |
23:19.12 | Aribeth | nope |
23:19.15 | Tupone | nvidia seems it does support a single board with 2 screen |
23:19.16 | JeffM2501 | no |
23:19.26 | Tupone | not 2 xserver, but 2 screen |
23:19.28 | JeffM2501 | yeah nvidia can span |
23:19.37 | JeffM2501 | you could set it with 2 x servers if you wanted to |
23:19.41 | JeffM2501 | I've heard a couple people do that |
23:19.49 | JeffM2501 | you have many options |
23:19.53 | Ice_Wewe | do you have to be running Windows to use this feature, or is it available to do this on linux too? |
23:20.05 | Ice_Wewe | (not that I have the cash for a second LCD) |
23:20.05 | Aribeth | you just need to get the xconfig file set right for it |
23:20.07 | JeffM2501 | windows? |
23:20.11 | Ice_Wewe | cool |
23:20.11 | JeffM2501 | who said anything about windows? |
23:20.22 | Tupone | Ice_Wewe: 99.99% of the time I just talk about linux |
23:20.28 | JeffM2501 | the nvidia drivers ship with twinview |
23:20.29 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I did, since nVidia seems to write 90% of their apps for Windows |
23:20.35 | JeffM2501 | Ice_Wewe, app? |
23:20.38 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone: glad to know I'm not alone |
23:20.45 | JeffM2501 | nvidia has some of the best linux support out there |
23:20.45 | Aribeth | we don't do windows :P |
23:20.50 | JeffM2501 | what are you taking about? |
23:20.58 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: yes, for monitering card temperature, and other card status sensors |
23:21.09 | JeffM2501 | they have the same thing for linux |
23:21.14 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: I have yet to find one of those for linux... |
23:21.19 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: they do?! |
23:21.20 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
23:21.27 | Ice_Wewe | I've never seen that on their web site |
23:21.29 | JeffM2501 | my ubantu has one installed |
23:21.30 | JeffM2501 | works fine |
23:21.33 | JeffM2501 | was a freaking package |
23:21.40 | JeffM2501 | guess you just don't look very hard |
23:21.42 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: what is the package name? |
23:21.50 | JeffM2501 | not at home, can't tell ya |
23:21.54 | JeffM2501 | should be simple to find |
23:21.57 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: ok |
23:22.09 | devster | mine came with the drivers |
23:22.22 | devster | try running nvidia-settings |
23:22.43 | Ice_Wewe | Wow! what do you know, its already installed!!! |
23:22.55 | devster | thermal monitor on the left for starters |
23:24.39 | Ice_Wewe | devster: I see no sensors... is your window "NVIDIA X Server Settings" ??? |
23:24.47 | devster | yea |
23:24.55 | devster | mines got the core temp under thermal monitor |
23:26.46 | Ice_Wewe | hmmm. I have no core temp moniter... perhaps my card doesn't have sensors, what model is yours? |
23:26.53 | devster | 6600gt |
23:27.09 | JeffM2501 | they all do |
23:27.12 | Ice_Wewe | what is the file in your $home that tells your bash the paths of applications? (such as /usr/local/bin or /opt) |
23:27.24 | JeffM2501 | perhaps you 2 should take it to /msg |
23:27.27 | Ice_Wewe | JeffM2501: perhaps my kernel doesn't posses the means to get it, cause I don't see anything |
23:27.38 | JeffM2501 | sucks to be you then |