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| 00:33.03 | JeffM2501 | so arizona is now GMT-8 right? not -7? |
| 00:39.53 | SportChick | JeffM2501: I think they are -7 |
| 00:40.05 | SportChick | isn't LA -8? |
| 00:51.57 | JeffM2501 | AZ dosn't do daylight savings |
| 00:52.07 | JeffM2501 | but yes they are -7 |
| 01:03.40 | Inferno285 | why AZ? I thought you lived in CL |
| 01:03.49 | JeffM2501 | CL? |
| 01:03.56 | Inferno285 | CA? |
| 01:04.00 | JeffM2501 | I do |
| 01:04.08 | JeffM2501 | but the webserver is not in CA |
| 01:04.36 | Inferno285 | oh, who is serving it? |
| 01:04.41 | JeffM2501 | nid |
| 01:04.48 | JeffM2501 | same machine that does list server and secretplace |
| 01:05.15 | Inferno285 | is it a web hosting company? |
| 01:06.09 | JeffM2501 | it is hosted at a datacenter |
| 01:07.02 | Inferno285 | I was just wondering, cause then I could look into the service. Ya know maybe it is a good deal or something. |
| 01:07.19 | JeffM2501 | our hosting is donated |
| 01:07.28 | JeffM2501 | by the owner of secreplace |
| 01:07.41 | Inferno285 | gotcha |
| 01:12.43 | TD-Linux | 'flags on boxes requires jumping' :( |
| 01:12.50 | DTRemenak|RDP | ~Nidhoggr++ |
| 01:15.05 | Inferno285 | ~seen gnurdux |
| 01:15.11 | ibot | gnurdux <n=gnurdux@69.251.241.119> was last seen on IRC in channel #botpark, 2h 9m 3s ago, saying: 'hehe'. |
| 01:15.11 | TD-Linux | that requirement isn't really needed anymore |
| 01:22.39 | Inferno285 | I'm currently working on a bot that will search multiple docs and forums for answers to ppls questions. Does this sound like a good idea? |
| 01:23.24 | JeffM2501 | what kind of bot? |
| 01:24.04 | Inferno285 | probably an IRC bot for starters. |
| 01:24.17 | JeffM2501 | why not a web knowledge base? |
| 01:24.26 | Inferno285 | then I hope (if it is good enough) to make a forum run under this bot. |
| 01:24.39 | JeffM2501 | forums don't run under "bots" usualy |
| 01:24.45 | JeffM2501 | sounds more like a dba |
| 01:24.50 | Inferno285 | dba? |
| 01:24.58 | JeffM2501 | DataBaseApplication |
| 01:25.10 | Inferno285 | it's a searcher though |
| 01:25.15 | Inferno285 | dynamic... |
| 01:25.19 | JeffM2501 | that would be how it gets it's data |
| 01:25.35 | JeffM2501 | for speed you'd want to cache things right? |
| 01:25.47 | JeffM2501 | otherise it would take a very long time to search everything every time |
| 01:25.48 | Inferno285 | yeh |
| 01:26.00 | JeffM2501 | so you'd have to store the cached data somehow |
| 01:26.05 | Inferno285 | it takes a bot aperance |
| 01:26.07 | JeffM2501 | like in a database |
| 01:26.22 | JeffM2501 | the bot would just be an interface |
| 01:26.22 | JeffM2501 | to a more common core |
| 01:26.58 | JeffM2501 | I mean ibot can allrady do data lookup |
| 01:26.59 | Inferno285 | My idea is to help people, that are too lazy to read knowledge bases. |
| 01:27.04 | JeffM2501 | it just needs the data |
| 01:27.12 | JeffM2501 | we don't HAVE any knowledge bases :) |
| 01:27.20 | JeffM2501 | or do you mean for other thigns |
| 01:27.33 | Inferno285 | others, like forums... |
| 01:27.57 | JeffM2501 | so basicly you are talking about a specalised google serach that ibot could be set to do then right? |
| 01:28.28 | Inferno285 | yep, I hope to expand on the idea too. |
| 01:28.56 | JeffM2501 | and what is going to make people come to IRC, and use that bot, rather then google? |
| 01:29.08 | JeffM2501 | if they are too lazy to search the forums............. |
| 01:29.25 | Inferno285 | wait, did I forget to menchin, it is for bzflag help. |
| 01:29.35 | JeffM2501 | so it would be a knowledge base |
| 01:30.00 | Inferno285 | I would right up and find knowledge bases that it would use..yes. |
| 01:30.01 | JeffM2501 | a knowledge base would be usefull yes, an IRC bot interface to it, not so much |
| 01:30.08 | JeffM2501 | only a small % of users are on IRC |
| 01:30.59 | Inferno285 | your like the master knowledge base, and lots of people come to you on IRC :) |
| 01:31.30 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, there are what 60-70 people on IRC, and 1000's of users on the forums |
| 01:31.32 | JeffM2501 | do the math |
| 01:31.44 | JeffM2501 | more people would use a web interface |
| 01:31.55 | JeffM2501 | and those that come to IRC could be directed to it |
| 01:32.04 | JeffM2501 | since they'd ahve to be directed to the bot interface anyway |
| 01:32.10 | Inferno285 | That's why I would make a forum ran under the bot...that answers peoples questions. |
| 01:32.19 | JeffM2501 | a fourm is where people post |
| 01:32.28 | JeffM2501 | if it answers stuff, it's a knowledge base |
| 01:32.30 | JeffM2501 | not a forum |
| 01:32.47 | Inferno285 | what exactly is a knowledge base? |
| 01:32.48 | JeffM2501 | I think we are talking about the same thing, you just don't know the terms |
| 01:33.12 | JeffM2501 | a knowledge base site is one that has answers to many things, lets people ask a question, then finds the best result |
| 01:33.16 | JeffM2501 | and shows them the answer |
| 01:33.29 | JeffM2501 | like a support site |
| 01:33.48 | TD-Linux | if a world size is 400, does that mean the map is 800x800? |
| 01:34.28 | Inferno285 | wow, I thought it was like a organized document. |
| 01:34.45 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, no that is a FAQ |
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| 01:35.07 | Inferno285 | cool, so I'll work on my knowledge base :) |
| 01:35.14 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, try and see :) |
| 01:35.34 | bz7526 | Does anyone know how to correct OGL problems? |
| 01:35.38 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, just so you know, you may want to look at other ones that are allready made, and tweak them |
| 01:35.49 | JeffM2501 | bz7526, depends on what the problem is |
| 01:35.59 | brlcad | bz7526: what sort? |
| 01:36.49 | bz7526 | BZ played once in a window (WinXP) now, it always plays in the same size hole regardless of desktop resolution |
| 01:37.01 | JeffM2501 | ahh yeah |
| 01:37.05 | JeffM2501 | open up your config file |
| 01:37.10 | JeffM2501 | fined the set geometry line |
| 01:37.12 | JeffM2501 | and delte it |
| 01:37.21 | bz7526 | lookin now |
| 01:37.23 | JeffM2501 | it will be in your my documents folder |
| 01:37.29 | JeffM2501 | under "my bzflag files" |
| 01:37.43 | TD-Linux | hmm... the answer to my previous question is yes, but I have found something strange. I have a box positioned at 387.5 387.5 0, size 25 25 5, and it goes slightly out of the map boundaries. |
| 01:38.39 | Grumbler | what did you set the map size fore |
| 01:38.44 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, that makes sense, the outside of the edge would be at 412.5 |
| 01:38.57 | JeffM2501 | 400 means it goes to +- 400 |
| 01:39.02 | JeffM2501 | so ti's 800 wide and tall |
| 01:39.09 | JeffM2501 | your object is 50 wide |
| 01:39.15 | JeffM2501 | not 25 |
| 01:39.23 | JeffM2501 | object makes it go +- 35 |
| 01:39.27 | JeffM2501 | 25 sorry |
| 01:39.57 | Grumbler | if i could just make an irc client that could handle threaded conversations |
| 01:40.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 01:40.11 | JeffM2501 | like with color or tint |
| 01:40.15 | JeffM2501 | that'd be cool |
| 01:40.23 | TD-Linux | oh :) |
| 01:40.27 | JeffM2501 | have to have a cool interface for swaping |
| 01:40.54 | JeffM2501 | maybe like a tree view where you could open it up and see the last N lines a person said |
| 01:40.55 | JeffM2501 | per user |
| 01:41.05 | Grumbler | yeah, like some email clients |
| 01:41.50 | Grumbler | have it dump the thread after 20-30 new thread generations |
| 01:44.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah but mail clients can know based on the subject |
| 01:44.23 | JeffM2501 | may be harder for an IRC thingy |
| 01:44.36 | Grumbler | tag the messages...... |
| 01:44.46 | Grumbler | #1 |
| 01:45.10 | Grumbler | everybody would have to follow the rules |
| 01:45.14 | JeffM2501 | be wierd for non moded clients |
| 01:45.34 | Grumbler | yeah, but they could track visually on the tags |
| 01:45.43 | Inferno285 | a simple HTTP question, when using transfer-encoding: chunked. How does the browser no that it has all the data (the server isn't telling the length). |
| 01:45.43 | Grumbler | it will never happen, heh |
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| 01:47.03 | Inferno285 | huh, does anyone know HTTP? |
| 01:47.08 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, why don't you try an HTTP channel |
| 01:47.16 | JeffM2501 | not one for a GAME |
| 01:47.23 | Inferno285 | ok |
| 01:55.58 | orchid | functions should return HAPPY and SAD |
| 01:56.28 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:56.37 | JeffM2501 | if ( error == SAD ) |
| 01:56.44 | orchid | exactly! |
| 01:56.58 | JeffM2501 | #define false SAD |
| 01:56.59 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 01:57.06 | orchid | don't tempt me |
| 01:59.43 | Nidhoggr | ~karma nidhoggr |
| 01:59.43 | ibot | nidhoggr has karma of 78 |
| 01:59.49 | Nidhoggr | ^^ |
| 02:00.00 | brlcad | howdy Nidhoggr :) |
| 02:00.09 | Nidhoggr | hiya. :) |
| 02:00.16 | brlcad | how's tricks? |
| 02:00.38 | Nidhoggr | things are very good. I've been so busy, but it's all been good. |
| 02:00.46 | brlcad | excellent :) |
| 02:01.09 | Nidhoggr | anything exciting happening with you? |
| 02:01.26 | JeffM2501 | biz doing better? |
| 02:01.43 | brlcad | several fun and exciting things going on :) |
| 02:02.03 | Nidhoggr | business is really picking up. |
| 02:02.04 | brlcad | work's been going excellent, fiscal year closed out good/busy |
| 02:02.07 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 02:02.31 | Nidhoggr | I vended at a small expo this past weekend. |
| 02:02.41 | JeffM2501 | oooo makin it to the big time |
| 02:02.50 | JeffM2501 | you shoudl have bead booth babes |
| 02:03.04 | Nidhoggr | did about $800, but I was able to do a lot of networking. |
| 02:03.17 | JeffM2501 | "and kandii is showing the pride of the fall collection" |
| 02:03.45 | Nidhoggr | I also have a few high-end yoga studios requesting that I design stuff exclusively for them. |
| 02:03.48 | JeffM2501 | that's a goodly amount of sales |
| 02:03.49 | Nidhoggr | lol |
| 02:03.52 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 02:04.35 | Nidhoggr | I'm just impatiently waiting for all the credit card income to hit my checking account from this last weekend. |
| 02:04.50 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:05.32 | brlcad | hehe |
| 02:06.20 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: I was out in your neck of the woods a couple weeks ago |
| 02:06.30 | brlcad | at least I think I was.. :) |
| 02:06.48 | brlcad | JeffM2501: what's up with the editor? |
| 02:07.29 | JeffM2501 | 1) it dosn't seem to be handling the mouse events right |
| 02:07.36 | JeffM2501 | 2) it's not drawing GL right |
| 02:07.41 | JeffM2501 | it inits a GL context |
| 02:07.46 | JeffM2501 | and draws 'soomething" |
| 02:07.57 | Nidhoggr | you shoulda called me up~! |
| 02:08.05 | JeffM2501 | I set the pfd and events and stuff just like the AGL sample app |
| 02:08.09 | JeffM2501 | but I must have screwed something up |
| 02:08.24 | brlcad | Nidhoggr: Yuma close? :) |
| 02:08.30 | brlcad | or Pheonix |
| 02:08.37 | JeffM2501 | he is in pheonix |
| 02:08.38 | Nidhoggr | a few hours away. I'm in phoenix. |
| 02:08.47 | brlcad | I didn't really have much time while I was out there |
| 02:08.50 | orchid | I told you to call him |
| 02:08.56 | brlcad | heh, you shush |
| 02:08.59 | Nidhoggr | :) |
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| 02:09.47 | brlcad | i was only in phoenix for one evening/night waiting for a connection, and half that was spent in a hot tub hydrating :) |
| 02:09.58 | Nidhoggr | while I did 800 dollars in sales, I still have about 4000 in product finished for the holiday season, and a big order for a yoga studio to do. |
| 02:10.12 | Nidhoggr | well, you can't do much better than a hot tub. :) |
| 02:11.03 | Nidhoggr | scipio is dressed like the grim reaper answering the door for trick-or-treaters. |
| 02:11.05 | brlcad | i dried out pretty bad in yuma ;) |
| 02:11.07 | Nidhoggr | hi DTRemenak! |
| 02:11.14 | Nidhoggr | yuma is a dust bowl |
| 02:11.15 | DTRemenak | hi :) |
| 02:11.17 | brlcad | lips and hands already started cracking |
| 02:11.21 | DTRemenak | good to see ya around |
| 02:11.21 | Nidhoggr | wow. |
| 02:11.29 | Nidhoggr | it's nice to be around :) |
| 02:12.08 | Nidhoggr | we are waiting for the baked potatoes on the grill, then I'm going to throw on some rib eyes. |
| 02:12.23 | Nidhoggr | yuma is really not the best place for a water monkey. |
| 02:12.29 | JeffM2501 | mmmm dead cow |
| 02:12.59 | Nidhoggr | we went to puerto penasco last weekend. I was very happy to be on the beach. |
| 02:13.26 | Nidhoggr | mexican beaches make me happy. |
| 02:13.27 | brlcad | it was pretty neat to see/visit, though it's pretty desolate |
| 02:13.45 | Nidhoggr | definitely. yuma is a nice drive-through visit, for sure. :) |
| 02:13.54 | Nidhoggr | on your way to mexico, that is. |
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| 02:14.13 | brlcad | saw a (seemingly abandonded) gold mine, the irrigation canal, gorgeous landscape |
| 02:14.31 | Nidhoggr | we are listening to bach's organ works. nice. |
| 02:14.33 | brlcad | and the proving ground had lots of cool .. stuff .. to see |
| 02:15.01 | Nidhoggr | yeah, yuma is really interesting from the military side of things. |
| 02:15.02 | JeffM2501 | did the "stuff" asplode? |
| 02:15.28 | brlcad | all sorts |
| 02:16.28 | Nidhoggr | didn't yuma have a whole class "A" all to itself at one point? |
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| 02:18.09 | Nidhoggr | yep... they still have 6.0.0.0 |
| 02:18.13 | DTRemenak | 6.*.*.* Army Information Systems Center - USAISC, Yuma Proving Ground, AZ (NET-YPG-NET) |
| 02:18.22 | brlcad | heh |
| 02:18.25 | DTRemenak | just a *little* bit slow :) |
| 02:19.44 | brlcad | it was a pretty fun trip |
| 02:20.41 | brlcad | arrived with a team of coworkers, as we all arrived up to the main hanger it was a scene right out of Monster's Inc |
| 02:20.52 | brlcad | except for all the tripping that ensued in the movie ;) |
| 02:21.19 | Nidhoggr | heh. |
| 02:23.54 | shorty114 | does BZ for os x have bugs, or is it just my computer that's not working correctly? |
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| 02:24.44 | Nidhoggr | chickie! |
| 02:25.15 | Nidhoggr | almost time to put the steaks on the grill. |
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| 02:25.55 | Nidhoggr | hiya bryjen |
| 02:25.55 | lan56 | mmm steak |
| 02:25.55 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 02:26.28 | brlcad | shorty114: what's it doing? |
| 02:26.35 | DTRemenak | shorty114: all software has bugs. |
| 02:26.53 | bryjen | 'lo all |
| 02:27.06 | bryjen | bugs in bzflag?!? |
| 02:27.30 | bryjen | ow! |
| 02:27.59 | bryjen | DTRemenak needs to be grounded |
| 02:28.27 | brlcad | DTRemenak: int main(int ac, char *av[]) { return 0; } has bugs? :) |
| 02:28.41 | DTRemenak | brlcad: all generalizations are false ;) |
| 02:28.47 | brlcad | :) |
| 02:29.36 | Nidhoggr | bugs!? the dickens, you say! |
| 02:29.51 | DTRemenak | chickens. need chickens, they eat bugs ;) |
| 02:30.07 | Nidhoggr | . o O ( buk buk buk ) |
| 02:30.09 | DTRemenak | oh, dickens you say |
| 02:30.17 | DTRemenak | need to wash my glasses |
| 02:30.21 | Nidhoggr | I'll say. |
| 02:30.56 | Nidhoggr | okay.. gotta AFK to finish dinner. nice chatting. :) |
| 02:48.34 | Grumbler | please sir, may i have some more |
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| 02:54.13 | shorty114 | brlcad: it hangs |
| 02:54.18 | shorty114 | specifically, when playing |
| 02:54.27 | shorty114 | all players go [nr] and then right after that it hangs |
| 02:54.36 | shorty114 | no apple+q, escape, have to force reboot it |
| 02:55.36 | shorty114 | i'm running Tiger 10.4.2 on a G3 with 32 MB VRAM |
| 02:56.10 | shorty114 | it happened with 2.0 |
| 02:56.12 | shorty114 | *started |
| 02:56.15 | shorty114 | 1.10.x was fine |
| 02:56.27 | shorty114 | i'll try tuning down the effects |
| 02:56.57 | brlcad | shorty114: yeah.. that's a bz bug |
| 02:57.17 | brlcad | happens on some maps for an unknown reason -- it's basically crashing the video driver |
| 03:00.13 | shorty114 | hmm works fine on lower quality |
| 03:00.14 | shorty114 | ah |
| 03:00.23 | shorty114 | it happened for me on viper.pimpi.org |
| 03:00.26 | shorty114 | many times |
| 03:01.21 | shorty114 | ah, well, back to playing. |
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| 03:33.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (5 files in 3 dirs): osx build changes |
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| 04:07.13 | SC | NIDHOGGR?! |
| 04:07.39 | SilentSwan | eh? |
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| 04:46.17 | Snapdeus | ahoy, all....yous guys... |
| 04:46.54 | SilentSwan | yous guys? you must be from new york |
| 04:47.46 | Snapdeus | close |
| 04:48.02 | Snapdeus | err this room or the other |
| 04:48.05 | brlcad | joisey |
| 04:48.14 | SilentSwan | either or :) |
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| 04:48.55 | Snapdeus | ok this room. |
| 04:49.08 | Snapdeus | and no i'm not from new york. |
| 04:49.11 | Snapdeus | texas. :D |
| 04:49.21 | SilentSwan | ah |
| 04:49.24 | Snapdeus | heh |
| 04:49.29 | brlcad | Charter Communications gives it away |
| 04:49.39 | Snapdeus | nah |
| 04:49.42 | Snapdeus | charters in NC |
| 04:49.44 | Snapdeus | as well |
| 04:49.57 | brlcad | not the ip space you came in on ;) |
| 04:50.37 | Snapdeus | .. |
| 04:50.40 | brlcad | 71.14, fort worth |
| 04:50.47 | Snapdeus | but i'm not in fortworth |
| 04:50.48 | Snapdeus | hehe |
| 04:50.51 | Snapdeus | go deeper! |
| 04:50.53 | brlcad | don't have to be |
| 04:50.59 | brlcad | just localizes you to tx ;) |
| 04:51.04 | Snapdeus | i never knew that about IP |
| 04:51.20 | Snapdeus | i did know that routers and stuff were 192 or 10 |
| 04:51.38 | brlcad | not necessarily, those are just private network blocks |
| 04:51.49 | Snapdeus | hm |
| 04:51.50 | brlcad | "most" routers aren't ;) |
| 04:51.51 | Snapdeus | ok |
| 04:52.10 | brlcad | most consumer ones are since you don't exactly get your own slice of the ip space |
| 04:52.34 | brlcad | so they default to private |
| 04:52.57 | Snapdeus | whoohoo. |
| 04:53.03 | brlcad | anyhoo, nither hither nor fither importance contained |
| 04:53.24 | Snapdeus | um so. yeah. bzflag. |
| 04:53.40 | brlcad | that's a spreadsheet app, I hear |
| 04:53.42 | orange | I wonder if the number of consumer routers exceeds the number of infrastructure routers |
| 04:53.58 | brlcad | read it on cnet or something |
| 04:54.05 | Snapdeus | let us discuss. |
| 04:54.11 | Snapdeus | i concur with you all. |
| 04:54.20 | brlcad | orange: it would be an interesting stat |
| 04:54.42 | brlcad | probably will surpass eventually if it's not as broadband takes over |
| 04:54.45 | orange | yeah, and I have no intuition on it... I bet most people even with high-speed have just one computer |
| 04:54.58 | Snapdeus | i have cable and two computers. |
| 04:55.00 | Snapdeus | :D |
| 04:55.48 | brlcad | you mean your parents have two computers? :) |
| 04:56.01 | orange | I have 6 behind my router right now |
| 04:56.03 | Snapdeus | well. i have one. my dad has one. |
| 04:56.14 | Snapdeus | then i have a pc in my room that i took apart. |
| 04:56.16 | brlcad | so again, your parents have two.. :) |
| 04:56.18 | Snapdeus | but its not on the network |
| 04:56.23 | Snapdeus | not really. |
| 04:56.30 | Snapdeus | he doesnt touch mine i dont touch his. |
| 04:56.41 | Snapdeus | but i have to explain everything to him... |
| 04:56.45 | brlcad | i remember thinking my stuff was mine too even if it really wasn't, it's okay |
| 04:56.53 | Snapdeus | thats great. |
| 04:56.57 | brlcad | ;) |
| 04:57.11 | Snapdeus | gifts arent mine then. |
| 04:57.14 | Snapdeus | oh well. |
| 04:57.38 | brlcad | pretty much, at least not until you move out |
| 04:58.15 | orange | I figure if it is subject to being taken away for some kind of punishment, it doesn't really belong to you |
| 04:58.34 | orange | but then we could get philosophical and apply that to adults and government, too |
| 04:58.48 | brlcad | yep |
| 04:58.51 | Snapdeus | i pwn the government. kthxiwin. |
| 04:58.52 | orange | I would venture to say that many folks in DC would believe that the government does indeed own everything of mine |
| 04:59.09 | SilentSwan | so it would appear |
| 04:59.14 | Snapdeus | g0v3rnm3nt pwns u |
| 04:59.15 | brlcad | only thing I technically own per constitution would be my guns, I reckon ;) |
| 04:59.27 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 04:59.48 | Snapdeus | wwwy |
| 04:59.55 | Snapdeus | hmm upside down. |
| 05:00.06 | Snapdeus | snap is deus upside down. |
| 05:00.19 | SilentSwan | cute |
| 05:00.28 | Snapdeus | . |
| 05:00.39 | SilentSwan | dangit my torrent isn't going anywhere :( |
| 05:00.46 | Snapdeus | heh i can't use bitorrent |
| 05:00.50 | Snapdeus | NAT error.... |
| 05:00.53 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 05:01.10 | Snapdeus | i havent yet tried connect directly to my modem |
| 05:01.43 | orange | ah, but the age-old question still applies |
| 05:01.47 | orange | pulp, or no pulp? |
| 05:01.56 | SilentSwan | mmm... pulp |
| 05:02.00 | Snapdeus | grape juice. |
| 05:02.06 | orange | definitely pulp |
| 05:02.18 | Snapdeus | heh |
| 05:02.28 | Snapdeus | weird. |
| 05:02.34 | orange | screwdriver, or straight vodka? |
| 05:02.46 | brlcad | pulp it is for me too, though I wish they made low acid pulp oj |
| 05:02.47 | Snapdeus | i have a story to tell about screwdrivers |
| 05:02.59 | SilentSwan | wow, estimated time of download completion: 37 days |
| 05:03.01 | Snapdeus | a guy my dad knew would mix vodka with the frozen orange juice |
| 05:03.03 | SilentSwan | stupid torrent |
| 05:03.06 | brlcad | orange: something to do with screws and age old questions |
| 05:03.33 | Snapdeus | basically he made orange juice, but instead of 4 cans of water, he used 4 cans of vodka |
| 05:03.47 | brlcad | sounds delightful |
| 05:03.52 | SilentSwan | canned vodka? |
| 05:04.01 | Snapdeus | ever made frozen orange juice? |
| 05:04.03 | brlcad | frozen vodka ;) |
| 05:04.07 | SilentSwan | hah |
| 05:04.09 | Snapdeus | directions say fill up can with water 4 times |
| 05:04.11 | SilentSwan | screwdriver on a stick |
| 05:04.15 | Snapdeus | he filled it up with vodka... |
| 05:04.18 | SilentSwan | ah |
| 05:04.25 | SilentSwan | and he can still see? |
| 05:04.29 | orange | how cold does vodka have to be to freeze? |
| 05:04.30 | Snapdeus | well he died. |
| 05:04.33 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 05:04.37 | Snapdeus | later of cirrhosis |
| 05:04.44 | Snapdeus | google |
| 05:04.46 | Snapdeus | D: |
| 05:04.47 | SilentSwan | yeah, that doesn't surprise me |
| 05:05.09 | SilentSwan | <- gave up drinking and weed recently |
| 05:05.12 | SilentSwan | still holding up |
| 05:05.29 | orange | drink parrot juice, it helps |
| 05:05.36 | SilentSwan | hah |
| 05:05.46 | brlcad | consensus seems to be -20 to -30C for about 50 proof |
| 05:05.52 | SilentSwan | wow |
| 05:06.15 | SilentSwan | right, now i want ice cream.. brb |
| 05:06.18 | Snapdeus | :O |
| 05:06.50 | orange | yes, vodka stays in the freezer where it belongs |
| 05:07.02 | Snapdeus | hmmm vodka slurpee. |
| 05:07.07 | brlcad | here we go.. -26 for 80 proof and -40 for 100 proof |
| 05:07.33 | orange | surprisingly large difference |
| 05:07.36 | brlcad | http://minnesorta.whateverremains.com/archive/2004/07/the_freezing_vo.html |
| 05:07.41 | SilentSwan | mmm... chunky monkey |
| 05:07.52 | Snapdeus | funky* |
| 05:08.05 | brlcad | heh, that's what we call my godson |
| 05:08.10 | SilentSwan | oh bloody hell.... i need to get this tooth fixed |
| 05:08.16 | SilentSwan | costs too much and it needs a crown |
| 05:08.24 | Snapdeus | quick everybody go here: http://armagetronad.net/ |
| 05:08.38 | brlcad | i hear burger king gives out crowns with their kids meals |
| 05:08.55 | SilentSwan | heh |
| 05:09.46 | brlcad | Snapdeus: yes, please don't post junk even farther "off-topic" of our off-topic-topic |
| 05:09.55 | Snapdeus | heh |
| 05:10.11 | Snapdeus | well...its more related to bzflag |
| 05:10.20 | Snapdeus | open source open multiplayer game |
| 05:10.23 | Snapdeus | err |
| 05:10.27 | Snapdeus | open gl* |
| 05:10.39 | SilentSwan | vodka is relevant... lord knows i spent enough time getting hammered whilst playing bz |
| 05:10.44 | Snapdeus | heh |
| 05:10.53 | brlcad | ~SilentSwan++ |
| 05:10.56 | Snapdeus | that seems to be common among most multiplayer games |
| 05:11.01 | SilentSwan | my playing style showed it, too |
| 05:11.02 | Snapdeus | or so the talk goes. |
| 05:11.20 | SilentSwan | was pretty good, then i couldn't play anymore... DUI |
| 05:11.28 | Snapdeus | ... |
| 05:11.31 | SilentSwan | good thing there's no traffic cops in BZ |
| 05:11.50 | SilentSwan | hey! share! |
| 05:11.55 | Snapdeus | peta sues brlcad. |
| 05:12.10 | Snapdeus | i'll make an uncyclopedia entry about it. |
| 05:12.26 | Snapdeus | also one for bzflag: "FULL OF DRUNKS' |
| 05:12.54 | SilentSwan | funny thing - i stopped drinking, but at the same time, i stopped playing bz... |
| 05:12.58 | brlcad | ehm, insects aren't animals |
| 05:13.13 | SilentSwan | they're still living critters |
| 05:13.48 | brlcad | well, then you should call the people for the ethical treatment of living critters then, not pita |
| 05:14.01 | DTRemenak | brlcad: insects are too animals |
| 05:14.06 | SilentSwan | brb |
| 05:14.12 | DTRemenak | phylum arthropodo |
| 05:14.28 | brlcad | DTRemenak: not when I was in biology at least, blame my teacher |
| 05:14.35 | DTRemenak | brlcad: heh :) |
| 05:15.14 | brlcad | webster does concur, though, so I conceed on multiple accounts |
| 05:15.15 | Snapdeus | i was thinking it would be nice if in bz you could see which players were in the rooms |
| 05:15.41 | Snapdeus | =o |
| 05:15.58 | brlcad | what rooms? |
| 05:16.01 | brlcad | there are no rooms |
| 05:16.03 | Snapdeus | err. |
| 05:16.05 | Snapdeus | maps |
| 05:16.06 | Snapdeus | servers |
| 05:16.21 | DTRemenak | brlcad: typically considered to be six kingdoms, eubacteria, archaebacteria, protista, fung, plantae, animalia |
| 05:16.32 | DTRemenak | s/fung/fungi |
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| 05:16.42 | brlcad | fung shue |
| 05:16.49 | brlcad | it's a kingdom |
| 05:16.53 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
| 05:16.57 | JeffM2501 | boogie woogy fung shue |
| 05:18.17 | brlcad | it's all very very fuzzy |
| 05:18.36 | brlcad | protozoa and whatnots |
| 05:18.37 | DTRemenak | brlcad: isn't everything you learned in high school very very fuzzy? :) |
| 05:18.40 | SilentSwan | ugh, it's gotten cold :( |
| 05:18.53 | brlcad | all replaced with women, beer, and code |
| 05:18.59 | SilentSwan | high school? i didn't learn anything in high school |
| 05:19.33 | JeffM2501 | that was so very long agao |
| 05:21.18 | SilentSwan | so is there any hope for bzedit on mac or linux? |
| 05:21.36 | JeffM2501 | that is what I am working on |
| 05:21.41 | SilentSwan | ah |
| 05:21.43 | JeffM2501 | asuming I can get the help I need |
| 05:21.44 | SilentSwan | how far along are you? |
| 05:21.49 | SilentSwan | and what kind of help? |
| 05:21.58 | JeffM2501 | people who know mac and linux :) |
| 05:22.21 | JeffM2501 | under windows it will read and save a map |
| 05:22.36 | JeffM2501 | under OSX it will launch and make a bad GL window |
| 05:22.43 | brlcad | SilentSwan: you can wish for it.. |
| 05:22.43 | JeffM2501 | under linux it won't launch |
| 05:22.58 | brlcad | http://www.despair.com/wishes.html |
| 05:23.04 | JeffM2501 | now he on the other hand is working on other maping solutions |
| 05:23.06 | SilentSwan | any indication of what's happening on linux? |
| 05:23.25 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, yeah I need to write the GTK code to start an app :) |
| 05:23.28 | SilentSwan | yeah, i have their calendar, brlcad |
| 05:23.33 | brlcad | :) |
| 05:23.33 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 05:24.01 | JeffM2501 | if I have to do it all, it will just take time |
| 05:24.03 | Snapdeus | brlcad: this may help you understand what i meant.... http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b218/RaoulDuke1/screenshot_14.png |
| 05:24.14 | Snapdeus | it shows the players in the server |
| 05:24.42 | brlcad | that only shows how many |
| 05:24.45 | brlcad | bz already does that |
| 05:24.49 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:24.52 | Snapdeus | it does? |
| 05:24.54 | JeffM2501 | look at the bottom brlcad |
| 05:25.00 | Snapdeus | ah |
| 05:25.03 | JeffM2501 | it's got per sefver info |
| 05:25.08 | brlcad | ahh, players line |
| 05:25.11 | brlcad | yeah |
| 05:25.13 | JeffM2501 | bzflag dosnt' really know much about who's on |
| 05:25.21 | JeffM2501 | we've talked about a global chat system that would know |
| 05:25.29 | JeffM2501 | but noone has designed or implemented one |
| 05:25.39 | brlcad | it could very easily, the hooks are all there |
| 05:25.39 | JeffM2501 | other then the one that people hated |
| 05:25.44 | Snapdeus | the devs at armagetron were thinking about that too |
| 05:25.46 | JeffM2501 | yes it could |
| 05:25.56 | brlcad | course there's lots it 'could' do |
| 05:26.08 | Snapdeus | i've always thought armagetron and bz should link up, such similar communities |
| 05:26.20 | JeffM2501 | they open source? |
| 05:26.22 | Snapdeus | yep |
| 05:26.40 | Snapdeus | a few there have played bz |
| 05:26.42 | JeffM2501 | oh the tron cycle thing |
| 05:26.44 | Snapdeus | heh |
| 05:26.52 | brlcad | bz's got a much bigger user community for whatever that means |
| 05:26.57 | Snapdeus | well yeah |
| 05:27.08 | JeffM2501 | the games are very difrent |
| 05:27.12 | JeffM2501 | not sure how they would mesh |
| 05:27.15 | brlcad | somewhat different goals and "requirements"/constraints |
| 05:27.23 | Snapdeus | hmm |
| 05:27.27 | JeffM2501 | and we have better fonts |
| 05:27.28 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 05:27.32 | brlcad | no kidding |
| 05:27.32 | Snapdeus | lol |
| 05:27.41 | Snapdeus | thats just my version |
| 05:27.47 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:27.50 | JeffM2501 | I'm on the real site |
| 05:27.53 | Snapdeus | er. |
| 05:27.55 | JeffM2501 | they have realy crapy fonts |
| 05:27.57 | Snapdeus | heh. |
| 05:28.03 | brlcad | their effects are better |
| 05:28.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 05:28.17 | SilentSwan | figures, just crashes without a word on mac |
| 05:28.18 | JeffM2501 | probalby newer code in the rendering system |
| 05:28.26 | Snapdeus | silent |
| 05:28.29 | brlcad | considerably, the thing isn't that old |
| 05:28.31 | Snapdeus | which version did you download |
| 05:28.35 | JeffM2501 | 2004 |
| 05:28.49 | Snapdeus | i'm using mac too |
| 05:28.56 | SilentSwan | what OS version? |
| 05:28.59 | Snapdeus | tiger |
| 05:29.03 | Snapdeus | just upgraded though |
| 05:29.04 | SilentSwan | *growl* |
| 05:29.07 | JeffM2501 | I'm guessing much stricker hardware requirements |
| 05:29.11 | Snapdeus | oh no |
| 05:29.15 | Snapdeus | not with the new beta |
| 05:29.25 | JeffM2501 | so it will run in software on a P 200? |
| 05:29.28 | Snapdeus | the beta gets 60-100 fps |
| 05:29.28 | SilentSwan | this apple product will soon be reloaded with gentoo when i get my new system up and running... |
| 05:29.31 | SilentSwan | no more apple for me |
| 05:29.44 | Snapdeus | P 200? |
| 05:29.47 | JeffM2501 | Snapdeus, do they require 3d hardware? |
| 05:29.52 | JeffM2501 | pentium 200? |
| 05:29.56 | Snapdeus | hmm |
| 05:30.06 | Snapdeus | hold on. |
| 05:30.13 | JeffM2501 | what kind of system are you on? |
| 05:30.19 | Snapdeus | ibook g4 |
| 05:30.25 | Snapdeus | ati radeon 9200 |
| 05:30.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's higher requrements |
| 05:30.49 | Snapdeus | 1.33 ghz if g4 means nothing to you |
| 05:30.56 | SilentSwan | can't find its own data dir... nice |
| 05:31.20 | JeffM2501 | Snapdeus, our system requirements require that we run on non accelerate hardware |
| 05:31.23 | JeffM2501 | at least for now |
| 05:31.43 | Snapdeus | hmm |
| 05:31.45 | JeffM2501 | joy 10.4.3 hit |
| 05:31.57 | SilentSwan | whoopee |
| 05:32.00 | SilentSwan | *yawn* |
| 05:32.09 | Snapdeus | silentswan what trouble were you having with it? |
| 05:32.46 | Snapdeus | hm i should add a system requirements page to the wiki. |
| 05:32.55 | SilentSwan | it appears that the .app fails immediately - ran from command line and it cannot find its data directory. so i specified it via --datadir or whatever it was... then soemthing about not calling it directly, blah blah |
| 05:33.04 | JeffM2501 | and I thought WE had bad menus |
| 05:33.08 | Snapdeus | which version did you download. |
| 05:33.15 | SilentSwan | 0.2.7.1 |
| 05:33.18 | Snapdeus | hm |
| 05:33.26 | Snapdeus | which os? |
| 05:33.30 | SilentSwan | 10.3 |
| 05:33.35 | Snapdeus | hm. |
| 05:33.39 | Snapdeus | strange. |
| 05:33.40 | JeffM2501 | nice copyright infringement in the splash screen too |
| 05:33.45 | Snapdeus | .. |
| 05:33.48 | SilentSwan | huh? |
| 05:34.01 | Snapdeus | silentswan i could run that version when i had panther |
| 05:34.04 | JeffM2501 | doubt disney gave up rights to use the image |
| 05:34.11 | SilentSwan | oh everything's a copyright infringement |
| 05:34.14 | SilentSwan | just pick your poison |
| 05:34.15 | SilentSwan | hah |
| 05:34.19 | Snapdeus | jeffm2501 that is taken away in the beta |
| 05:34.30 | JeffM2501 | Snapdeus, I am in the beta |
| 05:34.30 | SilentSwan | i dunno, i didn't get it to load that far |
| 05:34.44 | JeffM2501 | dosn't matter if you take it away, it's still be done |
| 05:34.44 | Snapdeus | jeffm2501 my mistake i have the moviepack off |
| 05:34.59 | Snapdeus | you get better fps without moviepack. |
| 05:35.22 | JeffM2501 | what does it mater if it's over 45? |
| 05:35.26 | JeffM2501 | you can't see more then that |
| 05:35.44 | Snapdeus | 75 is optimal |
| 05:36.00 | JeffM2501 | your display can't even refresh that fast |
| 05:36.16 | Snapdeus | well i'm justing telling you what i heard. |
| 05:36.26 | Snapdeus | and i've heard alot of different stuff about fps |
| 05:36.30 | JeffM2501 | that would be smoke blown where the sun don't shine :) |
| 05:36.43 | Snapdeus | devs are trying to introduce motion blur into the game |
| 05:36.55 | JeffM2501 | that is going to take shaders to do right |
| 05:37.10 | Snapdeus | hm let me look at the thread. |
| 05:37.44 | Snapdeus | So I was thinking about double buffering, you know, you render the frame to some area of memory and then when you're finished you flip the display to use that new frame and go render the next frame somewhere else. The first thing you do in 2d gaming is copy parts of the background to the areas that changed in the last frame, then render your new stuff on top of that. If you don't, you get little bleeds of sprites moving across the screen. |
| 05:38.16 | Snapdeus | and thats just one devs opionion =\ |
| 05:38.22 | Snapdeus | the argue for awhile. |
| 05:38.25 | Snapdeus | they* |
| 05:38.44 | JeffM2501 | that will be slow on some modern hardware |
| 05:39.00 | JeffM2501 | and will NOT work in SLI mode cards |
| 05:39.09 | JeffM2501 | you can't be sure the backbuffer is really there |
| 05:39.21 | JeffM2501 | reading from the buffer is rather slow |
| 05:39.37 | Snapdeus | silentswan http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=2151 |
| 05:39.42 | Snapdeus | that addresses your issue |
| 05:40.06 | SilentSwan | i don't run as admin |
| 05:40.10 | SilentSwan | so that would be the problem |
| 05:40.52 | Snapdeus | silentswan: this addresses and issue only for mac users http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=2133 |
| 05:40.52 | SilentSwan | rather disturbing that it tries to write to /Library instead of ~/Library |
| 05:42.48 | JeffM2501 | and it looks like ass |
| 05:42.55 | Snapdeus | =( |
| 05:43.13 | Snapdeus | what does lol |
| 05:43.29 | brlcad | apps are allowed to install to /Library if they are non-mandatory app-level shared resources (like themes) |
| 05:43.42 | brlcad | s/allowed/encouraged/ |
| 05:44.00 | SilentSwan | JeffM2501 i would concur |
| 05:44.03 | brlcad | /System/Library would be scary |
| 05:44.50 | Snapdeus | =( what looks like ass |
| 05:45.13 | JeffM2501 | that game |
| 05:45.24 | JeffM2501 | you should get way more fps out a that simple scene |
| 05:45.27 | SilentSwan | shouldn't be so critical, though... it's still early in development |
| 05:45.44 | Snapdeus | look at fps with sky and mirror on... |
| 05:45.44 | Snapdeus | http://forums.armagetronad.net/download.php?id=1806 |
| 05:45.53 | Snapdeus | scroll right and up for fps meter |
| 05:46.16 | JeffM2501 | that texture looks like ass |
| 05:46.26 | Snapdeus | you can mod it.. |
| 05:46.31 | Snapdeus | allll yooooouuu want |
| 05:46.35 | JeffM2501 | yeah for that simple scene it sould be a lot higher |
| 05:46.39 | SilentSwan | but what if your mod looks like ass? |
| 05:46.45 | Snapdeus | then you suck at it. |
| 05:46.49 | Snapdeus | =D |
| 05:46.49 | SilentSwan | good point |
| 05:46.53 | JeffM2501 | Snapdeus, umm you are talking to people who work on an open source tank game, we know you can mod it |
| 05:47.04 | Snapdeus | well i didnt make the texture. |
| 05:47.16 | Snapdeus | some australian guy's screenshot. |
| 05:47.28 | Snapdeus | besides, the highest fps i get in bz is 60 |
| 05:47.45 | JeffM2501 | that is because that is probably your display refresh |
| 05:48.04 | Snapdeus | ok. |
| 05:49.43 | SilentSwan | me go sleepy now... bye |
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| 05:50.06 | Snapdeus | what exactly in the shot were you referring to that looks like ass? |
| 05:50.20 | JeffM2501 | the model, the textures, the fonts, the menus... |
| 05:50.21 | JeffM2501 | I could go on |
| 05:50.27 | Snapdeus | hm |
| 05:50.28 | JeffM2501 | Snapdeus, I played it |
| 05:50.33 | Snapdeus | with moviepack on or off |
| 05:50.38 | Snapdeus | hehe |
| 05:50.59 | JeffM2501 | what ever the default is |
| 05:51.03 | Snapdeus | moviepack then. |
| 05:51.07 | Snapdeus | i agree the font is terrible |
| 05:51.09 | JeffM2501 | one would think they would put the best up fornt |
| 05:51.50 | Snapdeus | ok. well. one last thing. is there a way to glance left and right while in bz? |
| 05:52.01 | Snapdeus | without moving your tank that way |
| 05:52.01 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 05:52.16 | Snapdeus | do you think that would be worthwhile? |
| 05:53.12 | JeffM2501 | it wold change gameplay a lot |
| 05:54.03 | Snapdeus | hm. ok. just trying to be helpful hehe. and i came here to look for a team =( but i got into beeg argyoument. |
| 05:54.46 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, did you make RPG a moderator of the masterbot forum? |
| 05:55.00 | Snapdeus | cya |
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| 07:37.33 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, awake? |
| 07:38.19 | learner | i shot him |
| 07:38.26 | learner | so not for long |
| 07:38.26 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 07:38.36 | JeffM2501 | have a CFString |
| 07:38.41 | JeffM2501 | how do I get it into a std::string |
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| 07:40.01 | learner | CFStringGetCStringPtr |
| 07:40.13 | JeffM2501 | it's returning NULL |
| 07:40.23 | learner | it's allowed to, you have to check for it |
| 07:40.36 | JeffM2501 | and if it does? |
| 07:40.39 | JeffM2501 | how doth I get it? |
| 07:40.45 | JeffM2501 | CFStringGetCString ? |
| 07:41.09 | learner | you pass it the cstring and an encoding iirc |
| 07:41.21 | JeffM2501 | and a size |
| 07:41.31 | learner | mm, don't remember any size |
| 07:41.56 | JeffM2501 | Boolean CFStringGetCString(CFStringRef theString, char *buffer, CFIndex bufferSize, CFStringEncoding encoding); |
| 07:42.58 | learner | ah, CFStringGetCStringPtr .. Ptr |
| 07:43.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah it can return null |
| 07:43.13 | JeffM2501 | even when there is data |
| 07:43.25 | JeffM2501 | so I'm just gonna get a C copy |
| 07:43.46 | learner | hmm |
| 07:44.03 | learner | ahh, thats right |
| 07:44.05 | JeffM2501 | it's what the header says to do if the ptr fails |
| 07:44.10 | learner | if the encoding doesn't match, it'll return null |
| 07:44.19 | learner | so you can't just like ask for ascii |
| 07:44.24 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 07:44.26 | learner | you'd have to convert |
| 07:44.33 | learner | so yeah, that'll work |
| 07:44.35 | JeffM2501 | just gonna do the converstion all the time |
| 07:44.38 | learner | CFStringGetCString i mean |
| 07:44.43 | JeffM2501 | it's a file open dialog :) |
| 07:45.56 | learner | you shouldn't have any encoding problems |
| 07:46.02 | JeffM2501 | ueah |
| 07:46.05 | learner | should all be "0" |
| 07:47.00 | learner | which is the default mac charset iirc |
| 07:47.05 | JeffM2501 | whoot |
| 07:47.07 | learner | mac roman |
| 07:47.17 | JeffM2501 | it opens files :) |
| 07:47.21 | learner | cool |
| 07:48.12 | JeffM2501 | view is still jacked |
| 07:48.20 | JeffM2501 | but at least it drew em :) |
| 07:48.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (3 files in 2 dirs): file open for OSX |
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| 08:03.09 | arachnist | splitnode :> |
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| 14:07.45 | WaaronBurglett | im having trouble activating my account (im 12 years old) |
| 14:08.04 | WaaronBurglett | for the fourms and the game (registering a callsign) |
| 14:08.20 | WaaronBurglett | can any of you please help me? |
| 14:13.04 | Chestal | probably noone awake right now who can |
| 14:21.17 | Grumbler | because of your age, you will have to wait till jeffm gets here, there is a procedure |
| 14:38.19 | brlcad | BenUrban: yes, he is |
| 14:38.33 | BenUrban | i see |
| 14:38.56 | brlcad | there is a process, he needs to have his parents effectively send a permission slip |
| 14:39.20 | WaaronBurglett | many people just lie about their age ;) |
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| 14:39.46 | WaaronBurglett | but i cant because ive already registered, but not activated |
| 14:41.35 | brlcad | WaaronBurglett: any many people get kicked off the boards immediately when their age is discovered to be falsified |
| 14:41.40 | trepan | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=891 , first post, last Q/A |
| 14:52.30 | ToughShooter | heh, the "Board Rules (or 18 ways to win friends and influence people)" is broken |
| 14:53.23 | Grumbler | tells you how many people really read it |
| 14:59.53 | WaaronBurglett | lol |
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| 16:35.47 | teh_conquerer | i love shooting people in the head |
| 16:35.50 | teh_conquerer | its a disease |
| 16:35.54 | teh_conquerer | I'm tellin yu |
| 16:42.08 | teh_conquerer | huzzah! |
| 16:45.51 | jpa- | there is no people nor heads in bzflag |
| 16:48.29 | teh_conquerer | i know |
| 16:49.33 | jpa- | no you don't |
| 16:49.41 | jpa- | or yes, you do now that i told you :) |
| 16:50.54 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I think the link "Board Rules (or 18 ways to win friends and influence people)" at http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=891 should point to http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=890 |
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| 17:07.28 | JeffM2501 | actualy it needs a lot of updates, I'll fix the link, thanks for finding it |
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| 17:14.42 | JeffM2501 | link should be fixed now |
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| 17:46.54 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/vc71/mapedit.ico: update windows icon to be the same as OSX icon |
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| 18:10.09 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, ping |
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| 18:11.52 | brlcad | JeffM2501: pong |
| 18:12.16 | Tupone | hi brlcad :) |
| 18:12.22 | brlcad | howdy! |
| 18:12.29 | JeffM2501 | I asume that anything I do with a CFCreate type function I have to to do a CFRelease on? |
| 18:12.32 | JeffM2501 | and hi :) |
| 18:12.43 | Tupone | buenas noches. ¿como va? |
| 18:13.28 | Birdie | playing hookey? |
| 18:13.33 | Birdie | or however they callthat |
| 18:13.37 | JeffM2501 | runny nose |
| 18:13.44 | JeffM2501 | so figured stay home |
| 18:14.39 | brlcad | va bene, e tu? |
| 18:15.09 | Tupone | mucho bien (?) |
| 18:15.09 | brlcad | JeffM2501: i don't think so.. at least not all the variants of *Create* .. |
| 18:15.14 | brlcad | muy bien |
| 18:15.20 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:15.24 | JeffM2501 | like strings? |
| 18:15.31 | JeffM2501 | and arrays? |
| 18:15.47 | JeffM2501 | or will they blisfully go out of scope :) |
| 18:16.30 | brlcad | it's a reference counting system |
| 18:16.48 | brlcad | so you can and should release it whenver you don't need something |
| 18:16.49 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:17.04 | brlcad | if it's the last ref, it frees automatically |
| 18:17.39 | JeffM2501 | am getting a crash on exit |
| 18:17.40 | brlcad | ahh |
| 18:17.40 | brlcad | then yeah, that's probably it |
| 18:17.46 | JeffM2501 | wasn't releaseing the CFURLRef |
| 18:17.53 | brlcad | you "should" release anything you create, just don't Have to |
| 18:17.55 | JeffM2501 | was womdering if I have to release all the strings I make too |
| 18:18.09 | brlcad | anything created, copyed, or anything you CFRetain |
| 18:18.26 | brlcad | yea, if you're done with them you should |
| 18:18.35 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:21.19 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 18:21.29 | JeffM2501 | want it to be as clean as possible :) |
| 18:21.39 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:21.56 | brlcad | you're writing it in cocoa then, right? :) |
| 18:22.23 | JeffM2501 | if I knew objective C and knew how to make it work with a C++ core I might |
| 18:22.55 | brlcad | ah, that's the easy part ;) |
| 18:23.33 | JeffM2501 | hey your more then welcome to work on this and make it better :) |
| 18:28.00 | JeffM2501 | heh of course my crash has nothing to do with the OSX side of the code :) |
| 18:28.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/world.cpp: call the base constructor for objects ALL the time |
| 18:32.31 | Thumper_ | trepan: bridges map updated. thx |
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| 19:07.03 | Inferno285 | :-D |
| 19:14.54 | JeffM2501 | ? |
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| 19:19.26 | Tupone | ciao gina |
| 19:19.31 | gina | ciao Tupone |
| 19:22.56 | Birdie | hey gina |
| 19:23.08 | gina | ciao birdie, com'esta |
| 19:23.21 | Birdie | ciao bella |
| 19:23.27 | Birdie | tutto bene |
| 19:28.55 | jpa- | gina :) |
| 19:29.06 | gina | jpa |
| 19:29.46 | jpa- | aww |
| 19:30.15 | gina | aww? |
| 19:30.20 | gina | jpa :-) |
| 19:30.42 | jpa- | aww. |
| 19:30.46 | gina | aw???? |
| 19:30.58 | jpa- | aww :S |
| 19:32.13 | gina | jpa, che c'è di nuovo? |
| 19:32.15 | gina | oops |
| 19:32.22 | gina | what's new? |
| 19:32.35 | jpa- | aww |
| 19:32.45 | jpa- | don't care, not so important |
| 19:33.15 | gina | hugs |
| 19:33.24 | jpa- | decoding female logic is just strange :P |
| 19:34.10 | gina | sorry, you'll need a quantum based computer for that |
| 19:34.22 | DTRemenak | jpa-: logic? what logic? |
| 19:34.38 | gina | slap slap |
| 19:34.42 | DTRemenak | oops, too late |
| 19:34.50 | DTRemenak | dang, why does it always go that way :( |
| 19:34.53 | jpa- | DTRemenak: well it looks like logic with limited number of samples |
| 19:35.12 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, there is that thing about being nice to them |
| 19:35.13 | brlcad | DTRemenak: you seem to have a nack for it |
| 19:35.14 | JeffM2501 | they like that |
| 19:35.17 | jpa- | if there was enough to make a statistical analysis my sentence might've been different |
| 19:35.24 | DTRemenak | jpa-: any logic which would require an infinite number of samples to deduce is effectively random |
| 19:35.34 | JeffM2501 | they also like it when you buy dinner |
| 19:35.39 | JeffM2501 | or rub there feet |
| 19:35.59 | brlcad | hey, who doesn't ;) |
| 19:36.23 | jpa- | DTRemenak: but if you have samples like 0 -> 2, 1 -> 2 and 2 -> 0, it does seem logical for a while |
| 19:36.24 | DTRemenak | mm, dinner |
| 19:37.10 | jpa- | JeffM2501: nana, that is not always true, it depends on their internal state |
| 19:37.28 | jpa- | women are like broken state machines :/ |
| 19:37.46 | Tupone | decoding human logic is strange ... and I don't like my logic to be decoded |
| 19:37.54 | gina | jpa-, don't agree |
| 19:38.07 | gina | we have many states |
| 19:38.30 | gina | you only can't get the state transitions |
| 19:40.31 | brlcad | somehow I think quantum theory is involved in that state machine |
| 19:40.34 | Birdie | jpa- : you must have an exciting life:) |
| 19:40.53 | Birdie | at least thoughshooter thinks about masterslave flipflops:) |
| 19:41.28 | gina | brlcad, indeed |
| 19:41.31 | ToughShooter | yeah, but I am already forgetting about gates :( |
| 19:41.35 | jpa- | what about J/K-flipflops |
| 19:41.52 | Birdie | i love to make counters |
| 19:41.55 | ToughShooter | even though I passed the test last semester |
| 19:41.56 | Birdie | with flip flops |
| 19:42.12 | jpa- | oh yeah.. if input == J/K, output depends on the state of the flipflop |
| 19:42.12 | gina | built with NOR gates |
| 19:42.19 | ToughShooter | let's make a TTL-grave |
| 19:42.32 | Tupone | gina what is the 3.57 forked version? |
| 19:42.48 | jpa- | wasn't it like anything can be built with NOR and NAND gates? :) |
| 19:42.58 | gina | too complex for you :) |
| 19:42.59 | brlcad | this of course calls for http://bzflag.bz/tmp/woman&men.jpg |
| 19:43.35 | Tupone | an approximation of |
| 19:44.08 | brlcad | probably best, not a good idea to turn me on right now |
| 19:44.39 | jpa- | that switch on the woman-panel should be both limit-positions being OFF and the middle of two-state switch being ON |
| 19:45.16 | gina | which switch |
| 19:45.17 | ToughShooter | I know some stuff that is called "Pins" in german that have a gender :) |
| 19:45.28 | jpa- | gina: in the picture |
| 19:45.31 | DTRemenak | jpa-: that wouldn't be so bad except that it's an unstable equilibrium |
| 19:47.16 | ToughShooter | jpa-: The switch should have an undefined state, too |
| 19:48.02 | Grumbler | on-off-maybe |
| 19:48.06 | Grumbler | fuzzy logic |
| 19:48.13 | jpa- | ToughShooter: and possibly it could be rotated, or it depended how fast you moved it :) |
| 19:48.28 | jpa- | Grumbler: with switch always returning to maybe :) |
| 19:49.33 | Grumbler | its all we have |
| 19:49.44 | gina | i know |
| 19:49.47 | DTRemenak | ~Grumbler++ |
| 19:50.02 | blast007 | :) |
| 19:50.30 | jpa- | my dreams are not dense enough to float in |
| 19:50.40 | gina | Tupone: rose tanks shooting flowers and kisses |
| 19:51.09 | Tupone | aww, kisses for me then, roses will hurt |
| 19:51.27 | jpa- | bryjen: no they won't because the Women-panel is not on |
| 19:51.35 | DTRemenak | jpa-: yes it is |
| 19:51.38 | jpa- | bryjen: the led is on, thus it is probably off or unstable |
| 19:51.54 | DTRemenak | could be blinking |
| 19:52.01 | Grumbler | just because the light is on, doesnt mean anyone is home |
| 19:52.12 | gina | the man is sitting on the woman...again |
| 19:52.53 | jpa- | gina: and they were too embarrassed to put a signature on the men-panel |
| 19:53.00 | jpa- | s/men/women/ |
| 19:53.21 | ToughShooter | gina: At my stereo system the part with on/off switch is actually the lowest one, all others are sitting on it |
| 19:53.32 | ToughShooter | so it's not always true |
| 19:54.04 | gina | spose so |
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| 19:55.46 | Grumbler | sheesh......how did that topic get started |
| 19:55.56 | ToughShooter | heh |
| 19:56.12 | I_Died_Once | what are we talking about? |
| 19:56.30 | Grumbler | NOR gates, on/off switches |
| 19:56.41 | gina|away | equals guys |
| 19:56.41 | ToughShooter | Grumbler: I think it was when jpa- said "female logic" |
| 19:57.00 | I_Died_Once | Jeff are you alive in here? |
| 19:57.51 | Grumbler | omg, jeff has been sucked into the net......quick, we need a priest, two software engineers and an umemployed telephone service dude |
| 19:58.27 | Thumper__ | we'll just blame it all on jpa |
| 19:58.29 | ToughShooter | For what is the telephone dude needed? :o |
| 19:58.45 | Grumbler | someone has to call for pizza |
| 19:58.53 | Grumbler | and get beer |
| 19:58.56 | Thumper_ | man this conversation makes it feel like a Friday afternoon |
| 19:58.57 | Grumbler | and soda |
| 19:59.04 | jpa- | Thumper_: nana, blame the women |
| 19:59.17 | Thumper_ | jpa-: I'm smarter than that. It has to be your fault. |
| 19:59.36 | ToughShooter | Eek, I eat way too much pizza. Maybe that's result of how my self-cooked stuff tastes |
| 20:01.01 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 20:01.03 | Guu | SportChick: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 90°F. |
| 20:01.14 | SportChick | omg |
| 20:07.40 | bryjen | ~weather kowb |
| 20:09.31 | gina|away | how do you know the code of the city? |
| 20:09.38 | bryjen | over two hours ago. probly in the sixties now |
| 20:10.00 | jpa- | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.07 | gina | LOLL |
| 20:10.20 | bryjen | !help weather |
| 20:10.21 | Guu | bryjen: (weather <US zip code | US/Canada city, state | Foreign city, country>) -- Returns the approximate weather conditions for a given city. |
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| 20:11.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (3 files in 2 dirs): save dialog for OSX |
| 20:11.59 | gina | -weather EBAW |
| 20:12.15 | gina | -weather ebaw |
| 20:12.19 | Tupone | !weather Rome, Italy |
| 20:12.20 | jpa- | ~ no - |
| 20:12.21 | bryjen | try a tilde ~ |
| 20:12.34 | gina | ~weather ebaw |
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| 20:12.52 | jpa- | DTRemenak: did you survive the flood? |
| 20:13.01 | JeffM2501 | shotguns help against the flood |
| 20:13.09 | JeffM2501 | specialy the infection form |
| 20:13.39 | gina | ~weather lira |
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| 20:15.06 | simonp | hi. I can't get my server to show on the "Find server" menu in bzflag, but it shows it my.bzflag.org. Any idea why? |
| 20:15.29 | JeffM2501 | are you running with -public? |
| 20:15.33 | gina | for some reason, I don't find any station in Irak |
| 20:16.22 | simonp | JeffM2501: yes, -public and -pulibcaddr |
| 20:17.21 | gina | ~weather 89811 |
| 20:17.40 | gina | ~weather 89816 |
| 20:17.47 | gina | !weather 89816 |
| 20:17.51 | JeffM2501 | what are you using for your publicaddr? |
| 20:18.04 | gina | !weather NZSP |
| 20:18.07 | gina | ~weather NZSP |
| 20:18.10 | simonp | bzflag.sat.qc.ca:5154 |
| 20:18.19 | JeffM2501 | gina, coudl you do that in a /msg to ibot please? |
| 20:18.22 | gina | ok |
| 20:18.25 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 20:18.28 | gina | sorry |
| 20:19.16 | JeffM2501 | simonp, you are listed |
| 20:19.43 | JeffM2501 | let me test with a client |
| 20:20.08 | JeffM2501 | heh let me test with a 2.0.x client :) |
| 20:20.37 | simonp | jeff, i'm listed at my.bzflag.org, but yesterday night, i couldn't see my server on the bzflag client. |
| 20:20.49 | JeffM2501 | I see you in the list server listing |
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| 20:20.55 | simonp | i was able to connect to it though |
| 20:21.01 | JeffM2501 | I see you now in game |
| 20:21.25 | JeffM2501 | you were like on page 10 |
| 20:21.37 | Carnage | ~logs |
| 20:21.38 | ibot | rumour has it, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 20:21.39 | simonp | saw you |
| 20:22.15 | simonp | hmm. why it didn't show up right after i launched it? |
| 20:22.19 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 20:22.25 | JeffM2501 | there are 12 pages |
| 20:22.31 | JeffM2501 | it is possible you missed it :) |
| 20:22.51 | simonp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:22.56 | simonp | we were 2 to look |
| 20:23.11 | simonp | we take grugs i guess |
| 20:23.16 | simonp | *drugs |
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| 20:34.13 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat for casual chat || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable, commit stable to v2_0branch |
| 20:34.42 | SportChick | Thumper_: ping |
| 20:34.47 | SportChick | (urgent, thumper) |
| 20:44.11 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, where does an OSX app store the name it uses in that first menu? |
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| 20:45.14 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || #bzchat for casual chat || paste to http://bzflag.pastebin.ca || CVS HEAD is now 2.1 unstable, commit stable to v2_0branch |
| 20:49.59 | ToughShooter | SportChick: ping |
| 20:52.16 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, nm |
| 20:53.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/OSX/ (5 files in 3 dirs): string changes to make it say bzedit not mapedit |
| 20:54.11 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B000EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:54.22 | *** join/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B000EF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:55.40 | *** join/#bzflag TD-Linux (n=TD-Linux@24-159-197-101.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) |
| 21:02.39 | Thumper_ | SC: pong |
| 21:04.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 21:04.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: derive draw info from the base, |
| 21:04.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: use some GL lists |
| 21:09.46 | SportChick | jeffm: |
| 21:10.04 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 21:10.05 | SportChick | JeffM2501: what's the procedure for getting someone on masterbnalist? |
| 21:10.20 | JeffM2501 | they have to be on a satic IP |
| 21:10.29 | SportChick | I believe he is - let me check something |
| 21:10.36 | JeffM2501 | and they have to be causing so many problems that local bans can't handle it |
| 21:10.36 | Thumper_ | he's only evern joined from one ip... |
| 21:10.41 | Thumper_ | but not sure it's static |
| 21:10.48 | JeffM2501 | also he has to have his global name disabled first |
| 21:10.51 | JeffM2501 | to see if that helps it |
| 21:10.56 | JeffM2501 | masterban is last resort |
| 21:11.06 | Thumper_ | he doens't have a global account as far as I know |
| 21:11.11 | *** join/#bzflag badgerking (n=cc3805d0@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 21:11.17 | ToughShooter | SportChick: Talking about the player I mentioned a few minutes ago? |
| 21:11.17 | Thumper_ | he's tried impersonating various other people using their callsigns |
| 21:11.22 | SportChick | ooo my reverse check is gone |
| 21:11.23 | DTRemenak | which is a bit different |
| 21:11.28 | Thumper_ | c-24-15-179-85.hsd1.il.comcast.net |
| 21:11.34 | SportChick | ToughShooter: yes, he's causing problems all over the place |
| 21:11.45 | ToughShooter | Yeah, he came as cruel dog and thumper, I've seen |
| 21:11.53 | JeffM2501 | what is the global name? |
| 21:12.06 | Birdie | whats the nick? |
| 21:12.19 | SportChick | yes, he's been Lithium, thumper, cruel dog, the owner just today |
| 21:12.23 | ToughShooter | heh, when he only comes with other nicks, who knows? |
| 21:12.30 | Thumper_ | he's used 21 different nicks on my systems |
| 21:12.36 | SportChick | no idea what his "real" nick is |
| 21:12.37 | Thumper_ | Lithium and Lithium 2 stands out |
| 21:12.50 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't have active global login |
| 21:12.57 | JeffM2501 | going global only will remove him |
| 21:12.59 | Birdie | lithium? hmm |
| 21:13.00 | Thumper_ | I was talking to him earlier on tavern |
| 21:13.04 | SportChick | he changes constantly & is always tryuing to get passwords and impersonate admins |
| 21:13.08 | Thumper_ | and he claims to be 8 and not registered |
| 21:13.09 | ToughShooter | host info of IP-adress has .hsd1.il.comcast.net at end |
| 21:13.18 | Birdie | Tue Nov 1 20:54:55 2005 |
| 21:13.18 | Birdie | Reported by (Un)Guided Missile: had lithium2 come back asking who made the server. if he asks any of you for the password feel free to ban him |
| 21:13.30 | ToughShooter | dunno whether that means if it is dynamic |
| 21:13.51 | Thumper_ | he's asked for passwords on my servers (at least twice) |
| 21:13.54 | JeffM2501 | I mean if a bunch of you recomend masterban |
| 21:13.54 | Thumper_ | got banned both times |
| 21:13.56 | JeffM2501 | for a single IP |
| 21:13.58 | JeffM2501 | I can do that |
| 21:14.03 | Thumper_ | that's my vote |
| 21:14.08 | ToughShooter | he should know trust depends on mutuality |
| 21:14.10 | Thumper_ | I don't think he knows how to change his ip |
| 21:14.16 | Thumper_ | he's never been connected on any other ip so far |
| 21:14.22 | JeffM2501 | what has he been doing? |
| 21:14.24 | SportChick | I vote yes |
| 21:14.37 | Thumper_ | using callsigns of admins, asking other admins for the password because "he forgot it" |
| 21:14.40 | Thumper_ | that kind of thing |
| 21:14.41 | JeffM2501 | and since he's on static, a simple ban on your server son't take care of it? |
| 21:14.47 | ToughShooter | if my vote counts I second sporty |
| 21:14.51 | Thumper_ | mine is done |
| 21:14.56 | Thumper_ | now he's on other servers doing the same thing |
| 21:14.57 | SportChick | secretplace is done |
| 21:15.00 | SportChick | silvercat is done |
| 21:15.03 | Thumper_ | tavern will be done |
| 21:15.03 | Birdie | some one tried to talk to him? |
| 21:15.07 | SportChick | but he is going from server to server |
| 21:15.08 | Thumper_ | so will louman.bzflag.bz |
| 21:15.12 | SportChick | I did today but it did no good |
| 21:15.16 | JeffM2501 | sounds like he'll just crap out then |
| 21:15.27 | JeffM2501 | or end up only on systems that have no players |
| 21:15.35 | JeffM2501 | I don't see a need for masterban at this time |
| 21:15.38 | Thumper_ | ok - I'll go make local bans on the servers I have privs on |
| 21:15.42 | SportChick | ditto |
| 21:15.45 | Birdie | some one gimme ip? |
| 21:15.45 | Thumper_ | okay. thx jeff |
| 21:15.52 | Thumper_ | 24.15.179.85 |
| 21:15.54 | Birdie | thx |
| 21:16.06 | orange | has been several admin's callsigns on silvercat |
| 21:16.20 | Birdie | dub, gu will follow now |
| 21:16.31 | JeffM2501 | just more reasons to go global only :) |
| 21:16.37 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 21:16.44 | Thumper_ | but they can still connect and talk... |
| 21:16.52 | Thumper_ | unless we remove those rights too |
| 21:16.57 | JeffM2501 | not if you set your perms right :) |
| 21:17.17 | Thumper_ | 75% of the players on my servesr are still anon |
| 21:17.20 | Thumper_ | and most of them are fine |
| 21:17.36 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (n=wizart@dslb-084-058-152-223.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 21:17.45 | Thumper_ | going reg only will probably lose too many players methinks (but I haven't actually done it yet) |
| 21:18.01 | JeffM2501 | the game needs to help more people reg |
| 21:18.11 | JeffM2501 | then more would go reg only I think |
| 21:18.57 | orange | in-game reg |
| 21:19.04 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:19.05 | TD-Linux | A plugin could be made to tell people to register |
| 21:19.07 | orange | but then that kinda defeats the purpose |
| 21:19.07 | JeffM2501 | at the main menu |
| 21:19.20 | JeffM2501 | still with e-mail verification |
| 21:19.22 | ToughShooter | Birdie: Any news on pollban and pollkick perms on gu? |
| 21:19.26 | JeffM2501 | thats the big thing that gets the jerks |
| 21:19.40 | JeffM2501 | then we can ban by global account |
| 21:19.45 | JeffM2501 | those take longer to sign up :) |
| 21:20.18 | Birdie | thoughshooter: i think we asked 30 times allready:) |
| 21:20.24 | orange | yes, with email verification, that will definitely help |
| 21:20.31 | orange | and then you can blackball email addresses, too |
| 21:20.37 | orange | and to some degree limit anonymous one |
| 21:20.38 | orange | *ones |
| 21:21.53 | ToughShooter | Birdie: It's nice to have imposters on other servers :/ |
| 21:22.05 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: if someone will do the web side, I'll set up the client to allow global registration ingame |
| 21:22.44 | Grumbler | if he starts to cheat and bring down servers.......then masterban him........ |
| 21:22.54 | ToughShooter | I could but meno wouldn't be happy with it, plus I'm very busy :(( |
| 21:23.11 | Grumbler | meno is never happy, dont let that stop you |
| 21:23.16 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, the web side is done, just use the php bb form that is tehre now :) |
| 21:23.17 | ToughShooter | heh |
| 21:23.41 | orange | it would be nice to have some profile variable set that indicates the registration came from in-game |
| 21:24.01 | menotume | ? |
| 21:24.01 | ToughShooter | hmm, is urlencode stuff right inside BZFlag client? :o |
| 21:24.18 | ToughShooter | menotume: My code doesn't look so good ;) |
| 21:24.38 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: so I can register with an HTTP request? |
| 21:24.46 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 21:24.55 | ToughShooter | It looks like someone who forgot what to do while programming :/ |
| 21:25.14 | menotume | i am mostly concerned with if it works or not |
| 21:25.19 | menotume | :D |
| 21:26.37 | menotume | DTRemenak: how to do registration in game woth email verification ? |
| 21:26.49 | DTRemenak | menotume: they'd have to go check their email |
| 21:27.15 | DTRemenak | the point is to get it right there in front of them so they don't have to find out where to go and so on |
| 21:27.22 | JeffM2501 | but at least the game could say "DUDE CHECK YOUR MAIL" |
| 21:27.22 | menotume | gotya |
| 21:27.24 | ToughShooter | menotume: BTW: I'll do the construction of the updated lists at end of this week |
| 21:27.25 | DTRemenak | they know how to use their email :) |
| 21:27.42 | TD-Linux | is it possible to make objects not appear on radar? |
| 21:27.52 | trepan | DTRemenak: you give them too much credit |
| 21:28.12 | menotume | so ... what is needed web-side ? |
| 21:28.15 | DTRemenak | trepan: I'm assuming they're idiots who can't use a browser. How is that giving too much credit? ;) |
| 21:28.24 | menotume | probably nothing - you just need to know the URL and post args |
| 21:28.38 | trepan | DTRemenak: "they know how to use their email" |
| 21:28.44 | ToughShooter | heh |
| 21:28.47 | DTRemenak | trepan: ahh, my bad |
| 21:29.14 | ToughShooter | also in-game copy 'n paste doesn't work for email adresses |
| 21:29.37 | ToughShooter | so prolly lots of typos in email adresses |
| 21:29.52 | orange | that's a real issue |
| 21:29.54 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: you assume that can't change? :) |
| 21:30.03 | JeffM2501 | hey menotume you wana see if you could do me a faavor? |
| 21:30.10 | menotume | hmmmm |
| 21:30.13 | menotume | :) |
| 21:30.22 | JeffM2501 | I'd like a way to purge all unctivated accounts that are over N days old |
| 21:30.30 | menotume | k |
| 21:30.42 | JeffM2501 | to clean up the namespace ya know |
| 21:30.49 | ToughShooter | you could do a post with args and login.php could then deliver a page where the entered data is right in the form |
| 21:31.15 | DTRemenak | menotume: web-side, I need to know how to trap errors from the registration. e.g. duplicate names, invalid emails, and so on. |
| 21:31.28 | menotume | ahh, right |
| 21:31.46 | menotume | so, a more friendly output |
| 21:31.47 | DTRemenak | I can pass phpbb registration info without too much trouble if I know the POST fields |
| 21:31.52 | SportChick | okay, i've banned him from about 20 servers or more |
| 21:31.59 | DTRemenak | but I'm not gonna want to parse the return html |
| 21:31.59 | SportChick | trepan: your test server is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cool! |
| 21:32.10 | menotume | DTRemenak: right |
| 21:32.12 | *** join/#bzflag badgerking (n=root@204.56.5.208) |
| 21:32.18 | SportChick | badgerking: ping |
| 21:32.19 | TD-Linux | trepan: is there any place you post the addresses for your test server? |
| 21:33.00 | menotume | JeffM2501 & DTRemenak: I'll look at both of these tonight |
| 21:33.06 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: You can authenticate with username, password, redirect and login, IIRC |
| 21:33.16 | badgerking | is that ip in the global ban list? |
| 21:33.18 | menotume | DTRemenak: Just simple text error messages, i would assume |
| 21:33.24 | ToughShooter | that's the post fields I remember |
| 21:33.28 | trepan | TD-Linux: public 2.0.4 servers |
| 21:33.28 | DTRemenak | menotume: that'd be fine |
| 21:33.31 | menotume | no redirect needed |
| 21:33.32 | JeffM2501 | menotume, when ever, it would just be a great help, thanks :) |
| 21:33.49 | badgerking | i did i just haven't done it yet, i'm a little slow at doing stuff some times |
| 21:33.52 | ToughShooter | menotume: I could change :p |
| 21:33.54 | DTRemenak | menotume: I could probably even put up with a consistent comment tag if you just wanted to mod the phpbb code |
| 21:33.55 | trepan | SportChick: the gears and whatnot? old stuff :) |
| 21:34.08 | SportChick | no |
| 21:34.15 | SportChick | the floating kites or whatever it was |
| 21:34.29 | DTRemenak | just has to be easily machine-grokable |
| 21:34.42 | ToughShooter | Yeah, that runs soo smooth now :D |
| 21:34.42 | menotume | DTRemenak: I will mod the phpbb code, like I did for grouptext.php. But, that just puts out plain text |
| 21:34.45 | trepan | odd, i consider that one visually boring |
| 21:35.23 | DTRemenak | sure, that works |
| 21:35.42 | TD-Linux | that test server is full of people who love to kill me :/ |
| 21:35.45 | SportChick | trepan: figures |
| 21:36.07 | badgerking | SportChick: i've added it to my groups so the next time I get a chance to restart bzfs, it should take |
| 21:36.26 | SportChick | badgerking: ah, ok |
| 21:36.38 | Birdie | sportchick peacefull? she is so proud when she kills me:( |
| 21:36.59 | SportChick | Birdie: peacefulness is all relative, isn't it? |
| 21:37.08 | Birdie | i guess so in this situation:p |
| 21:37.13 | badgerking | or, does bzfs read the groupdb file all the time, and not just when it first starts? |
| 21:37.15 | Birdie | cause i know better:) |
| 21:38.03 | trepan | SportChick: it's a contrived map designed to get a jacked-up triangle count (~128M) |
| 21:38.12 | TD-Linux | I assume the color-changing gears change color on distance? |
| 21:38.32 | SportChick | trepan: well, I liked it. whether YOU do or not. It's pretty! |
| 21:38.44 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:38.56 | trepan | ah, it does have some color variation :) |
| 21:40.02 | SportChick | will someone please send some cool weather out here |
| 21:40.04 | SportChick | ick - too hot |
| 21:40.09 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 21:40.13 | Guu | SportChick: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 88°F. |
| 21:40.22 | SportChick | who ever heard of 88 degrees in November! |
| 21:41.14 | JeffM2501 | everyone who lives in socal :) |
| 21:41.20 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 21:42.14 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:43.26 | JeffM2501 | I didn't want to, there is a reason why I didn't make posts about what I was doing |
| 21:43.43 | *** join/#bzflag _bubbles_ (i=nicole@toronto-HSE-ppp4268506.sympatico.ca) |
| 21:44.36 | Tupone | hi nice _bubbles_ |
| 21:45.27 | ToughShooter | trepan: Any idea whether this can be fixed for 2.2? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1344274&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 21:46.22 | trepan | easily, just get someones who can reproduce the prob on their OS, and who cares enough |
| 21:47.16 | ToughShooter | maybe I should run a get stuck server and announce it here |
| 21:47.24 | uso | a lot of mysql errors at the bzflag.org webpage atm |
| 21:48.24 | DTRemenak | As per our announcement to project administrators last month, MySQL 3.23.x service will cease as of 2005-11-01 |
| 21:48.33 | DTRemenak | --SF.net |
| 21:48.50 | uso | yes, db server seems to be down |
| 21:49.09 | DTRemenak | https://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?group_id=1&docid=4297#mysql |
| 21:49.33 | ToughShooter | ~bzfquery 84.176.0.239:5154 |
| 21:49.50 | DTRemenak | need to move the data and change mysql server |
| 21:49.50 | ToughShooter | Someone want to test whether being able to reproduce? |
| 22:01.49 | *** join/#bzflag badgerking (n=root@204.56.5.208) |
| 22:03.03 | badgerking | it's amazing what reading the man pages will tell a person :) |
| 22:04.29 | SportChick | hehe |
| 22:04.35 | menotume | badgerking: i was about to tell you about /reload, but you had left |
| 22:05.00 | SportChick | suuurrrreeeee you were, meno1 |
| 22:05.12 | ToughShooter | Aww, all are happily driving over that box :(( |
| 22:05.15 | SportChick | menotume: that was a fun funmatch yesterday |
| 22:05.25 | menotume | yes, indeed |
| 22:05.32 | SportChick | feel like another? |
| 22:05.35 | menotume | esp since Mikkel got powned |
| 22:05.40 | SportChick | awwww |
| 22:05.42 | SportChick | not really |
| 22:05.51 | uso | must have been an emergency that someone starts reading manpages :) |
| 22:05.58 | SportChick | he was playing 1v4 before hand |
| 22:06.02 | SportChick | or whatever it was |
| 22:06.08 | SportChick | he just never reset his score |
| 22:06.08 | badgerking | menotume: it's been a long time since i used irc and i'm resetting up my bitchx stuff and wanted to make sure my ajoin worked |
| 22:07.12 | menotume | SportChick: I'm usually avail for matches (fun of otherwise) |
| 22:07.18 | menotume | *or* |
| 22:07.19 | SportChick | usually? |
| 22:07.27 | SportChick | or are now? |
| 22:07.39 | menotume | sure |
| 22:07.46 | SportChick | shall we look for 2 more? |
| 22:07.50 | menotume | ok |
| 22:07.51 | SportChick | or 1v1? |
| 22:08.01 | menotume | nahh, 1v1 isn't good on PB |
| 22:08.30 | menotume | i guess that rules out orange |
| 22:08.59 | SportChick | not necessarily - /me goes to hunt him down |
| 22:09.32 | menotume | k |
| 22:09.54 | SportChick | I got one |
| 22:09.57 | SportChick | need one more |
| 22:10.06 | menotume | okies |
| 22:10.09 | menotume | lemme look |
| 22:18.00 | *** join/#bzflag tommyuk (n=51b2fcfa@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:21.16 | *** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 22:28.43 | RPG_ | How did you come up with the default port (5154) for BZFS? |
| 22:28.59 | JeffM2501 | wikkian rituals |
| 22:29.07 | RPG_ | Is there a central chart online of which ports are defaults for certain apps? |
| 22:29.20 | JeffM2501 | ianna |
| 22:29.21 | RPG_ | i coudl jsut bang on the keyboard, but taht woudl be too random |
| 22:29.28 | RPG_ | 4566 |
| 22:29.46 | SportChick | orange_away: ping |
| 22:30.02 | JeffM2501 | http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 22:34.45 | *** join/#bzflag triclops (n=triclops@203-158-46-13.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:48.22 | *** join/#bzflag SilentSwan (n=silent@unaffiliated/silentswan) |
| 22:49.34 | SilentSwan | nothing like 14% packet loss to keep things interesting |
| 22:49.50 | RPG_ | i got those |
| 22:49.54 | RPG_ | today, actually |
| 22:49.58 | SilentSwan | you have SBC? |
| 22:50.04 | RPG_ | SBC! |
| 22:50.08 | SilentSwan | call them |
| 22:50.10 | SilentSwan | please |
| 22:50.13 | RPG_ | we "tried" them |
| 22:50.20 | SilentSwan | 877 722 3755 |
| 22:50.20 | RPG_ | had comcast for a few yers |
| 22:50.23 | SilentSwan | you "tried"? |
| 22:50.25 | SilentSwan | oh... |
| 22:50.26 | *** join/#bzflag Webstrand (n=Webstran@adsl-68-73-66-70.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) |
| 22:50.32 | RPG_ | until my mom decides to pick up one of the SBC spam phone calls |
| 22:50.36 | RPG_ | and she's very gullible |
| 22:50.42 | SilentSwan | ugh |
| 22:50.47 | Webstrand | my server wont let people log in |
| 22:50.48 | SilentSwan | i've had continuous problems with sbc |
| 22:50.53 | Webstrand | it gives me |
| 22:50.54 | Webstrand | xxxsmileys.tar.gz |
| 22:50.56 | RPG_ | changed the service without even getting my opinion, and i'm the 84% user of the connection |
| 22:50.58 | Webstrand | ug sry |
| 22:51.08 | Webstrand | Player Tron [1] has joined from 69.148.199.144 at 2005-11-01 17:34:45 with token "" |
| 22:51.08 | Webstrand | Player Tron [1] removed at 2005-11-01 17:34:45: Write error EAGAIN |
| 22:51.25 | RPG_ | so we got all the phone filters and stuff |
| 22:51.26 | SilentSwan | yeah, call them and they'll log a ticket... they may escalate it if more people call |
| 22:51.30 | RPG_ | turned it on |
| 22:51.41 | RPG_ | turns out you gotta install about 4 programs on your copmuter to get it to work right |
| 22:51.42 | BearPerson | Webstrand, what architecture? |
| 22:51.52 | Webstrand | windows |
| 22:51.52 | RPG_ | so I used her work machine as the "test dummy" |
| 22:51.53 | SilentSwan | RPG_ not at all |
| 22:52.03 | Webstrand | it's never done this before |
| 22:52.06 | SilentSwan | i have *nothing* specific to sbc |
| 22:52.10 | *** join/#bzflag bz0383 (n=18dae8d5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 22:52.13 | bz0383 | whats wrong with bzflag.com? |
| 22:52.16 | bz0383 | Warning: mysql_connect(): Can't connect to MySQL server on 'mysql' (111) in /home/groups/b/bz/bzflag/htdocs/document.php on line 5 |
| 22:52.19 | bz0383 | Warning: mysql_select_db(): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/tmp/mysql.sock' (2) in /home/groups/b/bz/bzflag/htdocs/document.php on line 6 |
| 22:52.24 | bz0383 | Warning: mysql_select_db(): A link to the server could not be established in /home/groups/b/bz/bzflag/htdocs/document.php on line 6 |
| 22:52.27 | bz0383 | wats that mean? |
| 22:52.38 | Tupone | someone here ready for a 2.1 test? DTRemenak, bryjen ? |
| 22:52.39 | Webstrand | mysql db accesss problem |
| 22:52.41 | BearPerson | EAGAIN would be "non-blocking IO has been requested but the write would block" |
| 22:52.45 | RPG_ | installed everything, puts about 9 daemons into the process list, and a hell of alot of SBC shortcuts everywhere-- contorl panel, desktop, everywhere you looked, there was a shortcut to a SBC service |
| 22:52.52 | SilentSwan | looks like mysql pooped out |
| 22:52.54 | BearPerson | probably means that the mysql daemon was down |
| 22:53.00 | bz0383 | o |
| 22:53.04 | Webstrand | i was playing at the time |
| 22:53.07 | BearPerson | s/was/is/ |
| 22:53.07 | SilentSwan | RPG_ NEVER install that stuff |
| 22:53.13 | Webstrand | but i logged out can couldent log back in |
| 22:53.19 | RPG_ | plus, their DYNAMIC IP system changed the IP every TEN MINUTES! |
| 22:53.29 | SilentSwan | dyndns.org :) |
| 22:53.31 | RPG_ | completely killed my web server, as I coudl no longer have otehr people remotely test stuff |
| 22:53.35 | RPG_ | it chagned too often |
| 22:53.45 | Webstrand | dyndns.org man |
| 22:53.52 | RPG_ | i have an account there |
| 22:53.56 | Webstrand | get the updater from downloads.com |
| 22:53.59 | SilentSwan | or any of a boatload of other similar services |
| 22:54.07 | RPG_ | plus, killed the idea of a BZFS server |
| 22:54.07 | BearPerson | dhcp that does not honor "I would like to have IP XY"... whoah |
| 22:54.14 | SilentSwan | i really need to find a better solution than sbc, though |
| 22:54.19 | SilentSwan | RPG_ i've done it |
| 22:54.28 | BearPerson | kills the idea of keeping any TCP connection alive for >10 minutes, doesn't it? |
| 22:54.31 | SilentSwan | it's not able to handle more than about 8 players, but i've done it :) |
| 22:54.34 | Webstrand | i use yahoo sbc and man do i hate Yahoo! |
| 22:54.44 | RPG_ | so did I |
| 22:54.52 | SilentSwan | brb |
| 22:54.58 | RPG_ | we were locked into it for 2 years |
| 22:54.59 | Webstrand | my ip cnanges sooo fast |
| 22:55.21 | Webstrand | i checked it 3 new ips in 5 min |
| 22:56.00 | RPG_ | after convincing everyoen how bad SBC really was, my dad, who's familiar with the business world, got on the phone with the helpline, and he really scared the attendent so much that she would offer to pay our cancellation fee |
| 22:56.24 | RPG_ | and now, back to comcast, one IP for the last 4 monts, everything's fast, no daemons, and the world is right again. |
| 22:56.29 | Webstrand | Player Tron [1] has joined from 69.148.199.144 at 2005-11-01 17:34:45 with token "" |
| 22:56.30 | Webstrand | Player Tron [1] removed at 2005-11-01 17:34:45: Write error EAGAIN |
| 22:56.30 | Webstrand | what should i do about the error |
| 22:56.32 | RPG_ | i recomend comcast |
| 22:56.39 | RPG_ | Webstrand: what OS? |
| 22:56.50 | Webstrand | windows xp pro |
| 22:56.59 | JeffM2501 | how many connections? |
| 22:57.06 | SilentSwan | RPG_ the reason i won't use comcast is a) the cost, b) they don't unbundle the 'net service from the cable, w hich i don't want |
| 22:57.16 | JeffM2501 | comcast blows |
| 22:57.16 | RPG_ | oh |
| 22:57.19 | JeffM2501 | and blows hard |
| 22:57.24 | JeffM2501 | they are port blockers |
| 22:57.25 | RPG_ | it is rather pricey, but... why does it blow? |
| 22:57.30 | RPG_ | what ports? |
| 22:57.35 | JeffM2501 | depends where you are :) |
| 22:57.37 | Webstrand | i dunno what u mean jeff |
| 22:57.38 | JeffM2501 | some do 80 |
| 22:57.42 | RPG_ | that's another thing about SBC: they shut out the SMTP pourt |
| 22:57.42 | SilentSwan | well, sbc is now blocking port 25, too |
| 22:57.47 | RPG_ | i got all ports on comcast |
| 22:57.50 | JeffM2501 | Webstrand, how many connections do you have to the system? |
| 22:57.57 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, just wait till they get to you |
| 22:58.03 | RPG_ | eemenh |
| 22:58.03 | Webstrand | 1 |
| 22:58.08 | SilentSwan | probably better to just sign up for a business class account |
| 22:58.08 | Webstrand | on port 5154 |
| 22:58.10 | JeffM2501 | I had no problems on SBC or verizon |
| 22:58.14 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to use the yahoo stuff |
| 22:58.17 | Webstrand | neither do i |
| 22:58.22 | BearPerson | the entire system? meaning including torrents, etc. ;-) |
| 22:58.26 | JeffM2501 | Webstrand, how many people are connected to your comptuer now? |
| 22:58.27 | Webstrand | i'm running a full web service |
| 22:58.42 | Webstrand | none the servers shutdown |
| 22:58.53 | JeffM2501 | Webstrand, you are limited to 10 connections on XP pro |
| 22:58.57 | JeffM2501 | you are probalby out of them |
| 22:59.09 | Webstrand | oh ya hes not the only one who had problems |
| 22:59.09 | SilentSwan | there is a hack for that |
| 22:59.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can edit your registry |
| 22:59.20 | RPG_ | it's a registry value |
| 22:59.27 | Webstrand | all the other ppl who try to log in get errors |
| 22:59.35 | JeffM2501 | that would make sense |
| 22:59.37 | JeffM2501 | since you are FULL |
| 22:59.42 | I_Died_Once | full of what? |
| 22:59.45 | JeffM2501 | you can't accept any more incoming connections |
| 22:59.56 | JeffM2501 | xp pro is not a server OS |
| 23:00.01 | RPG_ | it's like trying to add candy to a halloween bag that already is filled up |
| 23:00.11 | Webstrand | i'm not running sp2 and i have tomcat, apache ftp,smtp mysql andpop3 running |
| 23:00.12 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, no it's not |
| 23:00.14 | I_Died_Once | XP isn't even a "real" OS |
| 23:00.24 | JeffM2501 | Webstrand, then there are all your connections :) |
| 23:00.26 | JeffM2501 | you get 10 |
| 23:00.28 | SilentSwan | http://www.speedguide.net/read_articles.php?id=1497 |
| 23:00.30 | Webstrand | i send linux in to the trash |
| 23:00.31 | JeffM2501 | many apps use more then 1 |
| 23:00.42 | SilentSwan | see that link for resetting max connections |
| 23:00.48 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (n=wizart@dslb-084-058-152-223.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:00.48 | Webstrand | messed around for a week trying to get my vcard driver installed |
| 23:00.59 | JeffM2501 | how hard can a driver be to install? |
| 23:01.13 | JeffM2501 | unless it was made by intell |
| 23:01.25 | SilentSwan | intel must die |
| 23:01.25 | Tupone | blast007: ping |
| 23:01.32 | Webstrand | i said i'm NOT running SP2 |
| 23:01.44 | SilentSwan | afk |
| 23:01.48 | I_Died_Once | omg |
| 23:01.50 | Webstrand | it was made by nvidia |
| 23:01.53 | JeffM2501 | Webstrand, it dosnt' mater |
| 23:02.00 | JeffM2501 | the OS |
| 23:02.02 | Webstrand | many problems with kernel interface |
| 23:02.02 | I_Died_Once | SP2 wasn't made by nVidia |
| 23:02.02 | JeffM2501 | has the limit |
| 23:02.05 | JeffM2501 | not the supid SP2 |
| 23:02.24 | Webstrand | lol i'm chatting 2 subjects at once |
| 23:02.33 | Webstrand | ok |
| 23:02.36 | JeffM2501 | your SP2 is not your problem |
| 23:02.47 | JeffM2501 | the fact that your hosting tons of crap on a non server OS is |
| 23:02.50 | JeffM2501 | you are out of connections |
| 23:02.53 | BearPerson | Webstrand, basically, the way I understand it, you can only have 10 incoming connections at the same time on ANY windows XP |
| 23:02.57 | I_Died_Once | Webstrand - Windows is a commercial operating system, and they want you to PAY for a server grade OS - and thus have server grade capabilities blocked out of their non-server grade OS's |
| 23:02.59 | bryjen | on TCP connections? i knew the file sharing service was limited. and aparently IIS "personal edition" or whatever whoever posted a link to the other day |
| 23:03.06 | Webstrand | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.08 | SilentSwan | Webstrand just follow that link i posted |
| 23:03.19 | Webstrand | i did |
| 23:03.22 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 23:03.23 | Webstrand | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.24 | JeffM2501 | and since your NOT running SP2 you probably have crap connections open to spyware |
| 23:03.27 | SilentSwan | ah |
| 23:03.29 | Tupone | bryjen: mind some shotting on my server? |
| 23:03.31 | Webstrand | nope |
| 23:03.35 | JeffM2501 | I_Died_Once, do you own copyright on that image? |
| 23:03.40 | Webstrand | running pccillin antivirus |
| 23:04.00 | bryjen | Tupone: I'm still at work. No bz client connections to the outside world. |
| 23:04.10 | Tupone | ok |
| 23:05.09 | Webstrand | oh my problem is after 1 min or the server running it wont let anyone else join (even from 127.0.0.1). |
| 23:05.53 | *** part/#bzflag Webstrand (n=Webstran@adsl-68-73-66-70.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) |
| 23:07.00 | RPG_ | well connecting to yourself is still a connection, so that shouldn't matter |
| 23:07.09 | RPG_ | actually 2 |
| 23:11.35 | bryjen | is this what you're talking about? http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;314882 it seems to be referring to the file-and-print "server" service. |
| 23:12.02 | bryjen | that's also used to do remote IPC for other things |
| 23:12.14 | bryjen | but not just TCP connections |
| 23:13.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (9 files): removing DR on remote tank using rx shot, and refactoring shot handling |
| 23:20.48 | I_Died_Once | How about support for animated .gifs in BZFlag? |
| 23:23.40 | JeffM2501 | gif is copyright |
| 23:24.11 | JeffM2501 | and patented |
| 23:24.39 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: patent has expired |
| 23:24.42 | purple_cow | it's been free since 2003 |
| 23:24.45 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 23:24.47 | purple_cow | it's just a crappy format |
| 23:24.52 | JeffM2501 | that is true |
| 23:25.02 | I_Died_Once | ok - let me re-phrase the question... |
| 23:25.06 | JeffM2501 | a generic animation system would be better |
| 23:25.10 | I_Died_Once | yeah |
| 23:25.28 | I_Died_Once | how about support for another method of moving textures |
| 23:25.37 | JeffM2501 | code it up |
| 23:25.42 | trepan | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/gif.html, check the footnote |
| 23:25.42 | I_Died_Once | yeah - ok |
| 23:26.11 | I_Died_Once | "use=img animate=true" - there, I coded it! |
| 23:26.13 | JeffM2501 | ibm still has one |
| 23:26.32 | I_Died_Once | who wants to take over the project from here? |
| 23:26.33 | JeffM2501 | that is just input |
| 23:26.36 | JeffM2501 | not implementation |
| 23:26.46 | Tupone | why xchat get the comma in the clickable url ? |
| 23:27.08 | JeffM2501 | cus it sucks |
| 23:27.09 | purple_cow | Tupone: just the way xchat splits out words |
| 23:28.08 | I_Died_Once | I have to sut and paste URL's from xchat to see the pages |
| 23:28.12 | I_Died_Once | **cut and paste |
| 23:32.07 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.150) |
| 23:34.00 | trepan | purple_cow: might as well go with .mng in that case |
| 23:34.09 | JeffM2501 | divx |
| 23:35.38 | menotume | JeffM2501, DTRemenak: Any problems with bypassing the 'I agree to there terms' on registration from within the client ? |
| 23:35.55 | JeffM2501 | legaly we should display them |
| 23:36.04 | JeffM2501 | specialy the age thing |
| 23:36.06 | menotume | and, 'I am under 13' will have to be asked too |
| 23:36.06 | JeffM2501 | that we have to do |
| 23:36.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:36.15 | JeffM2501 | that will just have to be moved in game |
| 23:36.42 | JeffM2501 | best would be if it was pulled from the web first, shown in game, then the reg happens |
| 23:36.50 | JeffM2501 | so if it had to change, it could |
| 23:37.15 | I_Died_Once | oh - I know - have a locally stored .bzw where your tanks shoots the "yes" or "no" boxes.... |
| 23:37.50 | JeffM2501 | overkill much? |
| 23:38.21 | I_Died_Once | I saw it in an old playstation gam,e |
| 23:38.21 | purple_cow | trepan: mng's spec is pretty gigantor |
| 23:38.31 | menotume | ok, so if i get a reqest to reg, i can assume that they have agreed to the condiditions already ? |
| 23:38.36 | purple_cow | i think there's an animated png spec that's a lot more reasonable |
| 23:38.56 | JeffM2501 | menotume, a decent place to start |
| 23:39.00 | I_Died_Once | you have to hit answers to riddles with a sword, and the answers were floating "yes" and "no" 's |
| 23:39.01 | menotume | k |
| 23:39.16 | JeffM2501 | tho it would be good to make sure there is like a "magic" paramater from the client |
| 23:39.21 | JeffM2501 | to prevent bot registrations or something |
| 23:39.26 | menotume | right |
| 23:39.44 | menotume | although, that can already be done with the cureent phpbb, i think :) |
| 23:39.52 | JeffM2501 | what would be REALY cool would be to have the client version and openGL info sent too :) |
| 23:40.01 | JeffM2501 | so we could know how many people use what |
| 23:40.06 | BearPerson | maybe too invasive |
| 23:40.08 | JeffM2501 | but that could be bad for privacy |
| 23:40.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:40.40 | JeffM2501 | it would be nice to have an option in game to let them report anon usage stats if they allow us to |
| 23:43.31 | menotume | hmm, i'll have to cogitate a bit on the bot registrations |
| 23:45.27 | menotume | we'd either have to have a little handshaking with session cookies (like phpbb does now), or: |
| 23:45.41 | menotume | I'd limit requests by IP (probably better) |
| 23:46.51 | BearPerson | I'd go with human-solvable problems |
| 23:46.58 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 23:47.01 | menotume | ? |
| 23:48.02 | Tupone | menotume: why not pic with number/words to recognize, that is how other CMS handle bot registration denial |
| 23:48.33 | BearPerson | yeah, something along those lines |
| 23:48.36 | menotume | from within the bz client ? |
| 23:48.51 | Tupone | from the forum |
| 23:48.55 | menotume | again, requires handshaking |
| 23:49.10 | Tupone | ahh, you want to register from the bzflag client |
| 23:49.15 | menotume | Tupone: we're talking about reging from within the bz client |
| 23:49.19 | menotume | that too :) |
| 23:49.39 | BearPerson | though, I like the idea of putting the client through some bzflag exercises/tutorials - jump over this, shoot at that, dodge this ;-) |
| 23:49.40 | menotume | would be best if it is a one-shot deal: request , reply, done |
| 23:50.37 | BearPerson | can't do much there |
| 23:50.53 | BearPerson | basically prone to "replay"ish attacks |
| 23:50.55 | menotume | right, just track multiple requests from same IP |
| 23:52.00 | Tupone | menotume: IP is not the right solution |
| 23:52.27 | Tupone | a major internet provider here use to give the client private IP's |
| 23:52.48 | menotume | ? |
| 23:52.52 | Tupone | and going outside with some (?) public IP |
| 23:53.00 | menotume | ahh, right |
| 23:53.09 | menotume | well, there would be a resaonable timeout |
| 23:54.00 | menotume | ok, might need a session then |
| 23:54.07 | Tupone | if you want to do something, use the session cookies, bzflag should handle it pretty well, with curl |
| 23:54.31 | menotume | even then, a bot could easilty get around that |
| 23:55.08 | menotume | just 2 requests instead of one |
| 23:55.17 | Tupone | if you send him a picture where they need to recognize word, I don't thing bot will succeed easily |
| 23:55.34 | menotume | DTRemenak: ? |
| 23:55.35 | menotume | :D |
| 23:55.48 | JeffM2501 | we need to do the picture thing on web logins now |
| 23:55.49 | JeffM2501 | anyway |
| 23:55.58 | Tupone | yep |
| 23:55.58 | JeffM2501 | well web register |
| 23:56.20 | JeffM2501 | I just never felt like doing the upgrade |
| 23:57.31 | menotume | well, if we need it, and are going to do it, we should probably do that first |
| 23:57.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah, see about the "we" part |
| 23:57.53 | JeffM2501 | I was hoping that would be a "you" part ;) |
| 23:57.53 | menotume | hehe |
| 23:58.08 | menotume | me break bzbb ? |
| 23:58.17 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 23:58.31 | JeffM2501 | there are a number of mods that need applying |
| 23:58.38 | JeffM2501 | and some non critical updates |
| 23:58.59 | JeffM2501 | I don't have the time or knowledge to do it right |
| 23:59.47 | uso | Tupone: must be a setting, xchat does not include the comma into the url here, works fine opening it in firefox |
