| 00:00.19 | Inferno281 | ok...... |
| 00:00.36 | trepan | oft not the best stuff to wave about in public :) |
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| 00:05.44 | Inferno281 | wow |
| 00:05.45 | Inferno281 | are they all the same person? |
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| 00:06.42 | Inferno281 | Jeff, why'd all those other people leave at the same time as you? |
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| 00:07.39 | trepan | netsplit |
| 00:07.43 | JeffM2501 | that was a split |
| 00:07.44 | trepan | ~netsplit |
| 00:07.45 | ibot | methinks netsplit is something that happens when two IRC servers lose their link, thus isolating the users on every side from each other. a normal part of ALL irc networks, despite what some people bitching about larger networks may seem to think, or an orchestra of poips and thwoops, or something which occurs frequently on OPN |
| 00:07.47 | JeffM2501 | a bad one |
| 00:08.19 | JeffM2501 | that was more then a split, my server died |
| 00:08.27 | JeffM2501 | totaly |
| 00:09.22 | JeffM2501 | and there is the notice :) |
| 00:10.50 | devster | eww cogent :P |
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| 00:15.51 | Inferno281 | #bzchat |
| 00:17.28 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (8 files in 4 dirs): |
| 00:17.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - added skybox support (LeftSkyboxMaterial, TopSkyboxMaterial, etc...) |
| 00:17.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - added some debugging to PNGReader |
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| 00:27.56 | JeffM2501 | trepan, how does one change to said skybox? |
| 00:28.21 | trepan | define map material |
| 00:28.23 | trepan | s |
| 00:28.46 | JeffM2501 | and if they arn't there it just does old school sky? |
| 00:28.55 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/BackgroundRenderer.cxx: consistency in the comments |
| 00:29.04 | trepan | yup |
| 00:29.08 | JeffM2501 | very cool |
| 00:29.40 | trepan | also makes sure that all 6 are present and valid (even if the bottom isn't really used) |
| 00:31.10 | trepan | i'll probably want to do something about it's lighting though, or at least do color blending at the corners from the material colors |
| 00:31.51 | JeffM2501 | how do they look? |
| 00:32.05 | trepan | reasonable |
| 00:32.08 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:32.42 | trepan | been testing with with terragen texs |
| 00:32.55 | trepan | did i stutter? |
| 00:32.58 | JeffM2501 | that and bryce can make some realy cool ones |
| 00:33.31 | trepan | png reader is kacking on a lot of the pngs converted with imagemagick |
| 00:33.51 | JeffM2501 | I'll never understand why we just don't use libpng |
| 00:34.10 | purple_cow | NIH |
| 00:34.34 | trepan | JeffM2501: trepan.homelinux.net:5167 for an example setup |
| 00:34.40 | JeffM2501 | still at work |
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| 00:44.36 | I_Died_Once | gah, anyone got a spare PCI ethernet card I can borrow for 24 hours?? |
| 00:44.56 | JeffM2501 | umm arn't they like 12$ |
| 00:45.47 | I_Died_Once | routers should have multiple USB ports for computers without ethernet on your lan |
| 00:45.59 | I_Died_Once | as well as the nrmal ethernet ports |
| 00:46.15 | JeffM2501 | usb is evil for networking |
| 00:46.40 | I_Died_Once | i remember reading how a bunch of fools managed to use their dial up modems to do a LAN |
| 00:46.53 | SilentSwan | yikes |
| 00:46.54 | SilentSwan | evil |
| 00:47.07 | I_Died_Once | bunch of phone cords strown about |
| 00:47.13 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (4 files in 2 dirs): some GTK init code |
| 00:47.14 | JeffM2501 | must be a wicked old computer to not have lan onboard |
| 00:47.23 | I_Died_Once | about four years or so |
| 00:47.36 | JeffM2501 | ancient |
| 00:47.44 | I_Died_Once | I can just put my copy of win2k on it and be done, but i got extras |
| 00:47.52 | I_Died_Once | and i am too lazy to burn it on a data cd |
| 00:48.08 | I_Died_Once | cheap, easy $50 |
| 00:48.51 | blast007 | $9 ethernet: http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=50243697&pfp=BROWSE |
| 00:49.15 | I_Died_Once | if only one was closer to me than the one is in town |
| 00:49.21 | I_Died_Once | and i had $9 |
| 00:49.47 | SilentSwan | just go to a colour copier and copy some bills |
| 00:50.10 | I_Died_Once | i could USB my cable modem to it and be online, but that'll take my whole network (and server) offline |
| 00:50.13 | I_Died_Once | to hell with that |
| 00:50.14 | blast007 | but first photoshop them into $10,000 bills |
| 00:50.24 | JeffM2501 | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=2010706 |
| 00:50.28 | I_Died_Once | yeah, and with your picture on them, swan |
| 00:50.33 | SilentSwan | cool! |
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| 01:24.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (BackgroundRenderer.cxx BackgroundRenderer.h): - color the skybox with corner colors derived from the face colors |
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| 01:43.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (BackgroundRenderer.cxx BackgroundRenderer.h): fix skybox corner colors |
| 01:44.06 | RPG_ | i loath your formatted CIA messages |
| 01:48.45 | JeffM2501 | have you looked at the config in bzflag's SF stuff? |
| 01:48.49 | JeffM2501 | to see if it's difrent then yours? |
| 01:49.02 | RPG_ | i didn't set up the CIA stuff |
| 01:49.05 | RPG_ | but i'll do tha |
| 01:49.21 | RPG_ | where's it located? |
| 01:49.37 | JeffM2501 | cvsroot stuff |
| 01:50.20 | JeffM2501 | now to play fear, or do the OSX stuff |
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| 02:13.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (BackgroundRenderer.cxx BackgroundRenderer.h): limit the skybox to High and Experimental quality modes |
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| 02:39.44 | trepan | i'm thinking that our use of CURLOPT_TIMEOUT should really be a combiniation of CURLOPT_CONNECTTIMEOUT and CURLOPT_LOW_SPEED_TIME + CURLOPT_LOW_SPEED_LIMIT |
| 02:41.36 | trepan | failing that, CURLOPT_FRESH_CONNECT might help with the transfer of large sets of data without timing out |
| 02:54.38 | JeffM2501 | learner, ping |
| 02:55.19 | brlcad | JeffM2501: pong |
| 02:55.49 | JeffM2501 | to include a "dynamic library" instead of a framework, do I just add the lib file to xcode? |
| 02:56.05 | JeffM2501 | devIL has this to say for OSX |
| 02:56.08 | JeffM2501 | "This includes a precompiled version and the DevIL headers and all the external library included. The framework version will not be supported, it was just causing problem, now is deployed as a dynamic library stored in /usr/local" |
| 02:56.45 | brlcad | yeah, you just add the .dylib |
| 02:56.50 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 02:57.36 | brlcad | i like the easy questions |
| 02:57.48 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 02:57.59 | JeffM2501 | well they may get harder later |
| 02:58.14 | JeffM2501 | I am trying to cobble stuff together from parts of apple sample code :) |
| 02:59.16 | brlcad | when you add the lib to xcode, you have to associate it with the target/binary you're building -- it should give you a checkbox or something or automatically associate it depending on your project, either way, should be sort of obvious |
| 02:59.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 02:59.31 | JeffM2501 | only have 1 target |
| 03:01.25 | JeffM2501 | linux is going to be the "fun" one |
| 03:03.48 | JeffM2501 | holly crap i built |
| 03:04.05 | JeffM2501 | whoooohoo mapedit has exited due to signal 6 (SIGABRT). |
| 03:04.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/common/cURLManager.cxx: more reasonable criteria for CURL time outs. |
| 03:04.50 | trepan | JeffM2501: what's gonna be hard about the linux version? |
| 03:05.30 | JeffM2501 | I've no clue about any nix window lib |
| 03:05.38 | JeffM2501 | so I'm just stealing code from linux bzedit :) |
| 03:06.03 | trepan | wx for all :) |
| 03:06.12 | JeffM2501 | not going LCD |
| 03:06.19 | trepan | lcd? |
| 03:06.22 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 03:06.25 | Guu | Aribeth: The current temperature in Weather Underground is 40°F. |
| 03:06.30 | JeffM2501 | only real reason I'm doing this is to learn more stuff about other OSs |
| 03:06.35 | JeffM2501 | Least Common Denominator |
| 03:07.17 | trepan | ah, write it from X.h then |
| 03:07.38 | trepan | (if your goal is to make ye tanother hard-to-manage codebase =) |
| 03:07.48 | JeffM2501 | linux bzedit uses gtk, seemed like a decent thing to learn |
| 03:08.13 | JeffM2501 | this is an experiment in making somethign maintainable, but not cheezing out for each OS |
| 03:08.19 | JeffM2501 | it may fail |
| 03:08.19 | trepan | there's also a window port, iirc |
| 03:08.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:08.27 | JeffM2501 | and it SUCKs |
| 03:08.30 | SilentSwan | qt would be more decent :) |
| 03:08.40 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, got any examples? |
| 03:08.50 | SilentSwan | yeah, just about everything in kde |
| 03:09.07 | SilentSwan | very clean, professional, and fast |
| 03:09.21 | JeffM2501 | need a simple example of an app that opens a GL window |
| 03:09.26 | JeffM2501 | and does menus and stuff |
| 03:10.21 | JeffM2501 | wow, x code is a great compiler/debuger, it won't even new an object for me with out crashing :) |
| 03:11.21 | SilentSwan | well, my kde install at present isn't complete, so i don't know a name for an app... perhaps someone else can be of assistance? I know some of the games that come with it are GL |
| 03:12.01 | JeffM2501 | if the code is too complex I won't get it |
| 03:12.31 | SilentSwan | depends what you consider complex |
| 03:12.34 | brlcad | http://www.cs.queensu.ca/home/dalamb/qt/local/examples.html |
| 03:13.29 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, you got time to try something? |
| 03:13.43 | brlcad | depends what you mean by try |
| 03:13.55 | JeffM2501 | like compile and find out why thing pukes |
| 03:14.01 | brlcad | ah, perhaps sure |
| 03:15.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (6 files in 4 dirs): |
| 03:15.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: get the stuff in the xcode project |
| 03:15.11 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: even tho it crashes like a pig |
| 03:15.27 | JeffM2501 | it's that code |
| 03:15.32 | JeffM2501 | tools project in bzflag sf |
| 03:15.37 | JeffM2501 | got it to compile |
| 03:15.41 | JeffM2501 | but it just barfs |
| 03:15.49 | JeffM2501 | like right off the bat |
| 03:15.55 | JeffM2501 | but the samples I have work fine |
| 03:16.14 | JeffM2501 | the only other lib you'd need may be http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/openil/Devil-SDK-1.6.7.zip |
| 03:16.22 | JeffM2501 | but you may have it from another endevor I've done |
| 03:17.01 | brlcad | mapedit project? |
| 03:17.20 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 03:17.26 | JeffM2501 | still need to rename that one day :) |
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| 03:22.31 | brlcad | ehm, before I even start -- that zip would likely cause a crash |
| 03:22.37 | brlcad | those are windows libs |
| 03:23.27 | JeffM2501 | oh sorry |
| 03:23.30 | JeffM2501 | I misspasted |
| 03:23.36 | JeffM2501 | yes that is what you need |
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| 03:30.07 | sgk284 | if i hit ctrl-x one more time... |
| 03:30.14 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 03:31.13 | sgk284 | heh well good luck jeff, make sure there are mutliple viewports :) |
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| 03:44.36 | JeffM2501 | it probably will |
| 03:50.06 | SilentSwan | what is the config file identifier for blindness flag? It's listed as BL, but bzfs complains invalid flag |
| 03:50.21 | brlcad | JeffM2501: getting an unresolved symbol '__ZN6OSXApp11doFilePrefsER15trFilePrefsData' |
| 03:50.35 | trepan | SilentSwan: B |
| 03:51.00 | trepan | 'bzfs -help' lists the flag abbreviations |
| 03:51.13 | SilentSwan | thanks |
| 03:51.45 | trepan | where is it listed as BL? that should be fixed |
| 03:53.11 | SilentSwan | hang on, there was another |
| 03:53.57 | SilentSwan | ok, the sample bzfs.conf lists "BL" for blindness and "U" for useless |
| 03:54.39 | SilentSwan | incompatible server versions?!? |
| 03:54.39 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10tools/bzedit/OSX/mapedit.xcode/project.pbxproj: turn off zeroconf to see linker errors, reference osxapp.h relative instead of absolute path |
| 03:54.49 | trepan | SilentSwan: thx |
| 03:54.52 | SilentSwan | sure |
| 03:55.00 | trepan | SilentSwan: there was a protocol breakage |
| 03:55.11 | SilentSwan | so i have to update from the 2.0.4 client ... ok |
| 03:55.25 | trepan | for old 0026 proto, 'cvs up -r v2_0branch' |
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| 03:56.33 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/misc/bzfs.conf: fix a couple of flag abbrvs |
| 03:58.11 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, wierd it builds for me |
| 03:58.33 | JeffM2501 | you can comment that out, it's just for prefs |
| 03:59.48 | brlcad | with zeroconf, it won't report linker errors since they may simply be introduced at runtime |
| 03:59.58 | brlcad | that was a run-time symbol error |
| 04:00.13 | brlcad | turned zeroconf off, and I get others -- looking into it |
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| 04:03.27 | brlcad | JeffM2501: more specifically: OSXApp::doFilePrefs(trFilePrefsData&) |
| 04:03.37 | brlcad | where is that supposedly? |
| 04:04.59 | brlcad | JeffM2501: heh, the devIL libraries are bogus |
| 04:05.27 | brlcad | they reference dylibs in /sw from fink instead of the ones they installed |
| 04:05.41 | brlcad | whoever build the libs made a boo boo |
| 04:06.08 | brlcad | regardless, the bigger problem is that doFilePrefs |
| 04:07.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10tools/bzedit/OSX/mapedit.xcode/project.pbxproj: AGL framework is required |
| 04:09.47 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 04:11.54 | brlcad | for os x |
| 04:12.44 | JeffM2501 | I may not have implemented one :) |
| 04:13.04 | JeffM2501 | jsut stub it |
| 04:13.09 | JeffM2501 | how did it compile for me? |
| 04:13.32 | brlcad | like i said, zeroconf |
| 04:13.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10tools/bzedit/src/OSX/osxapp.cpp: add the missing doFilePrefs |
| 04:14.06 | brlcad | er, zerolink |
| 04:14.21 | brlcad | with zerolink, it can't presume that the symbol won't be provided at runtime |
| 04:14.53 | brlcad | you can actually yank out and replace code while the application is actually _running_ already, dynamically updating functions whenever |
| 04:15.11 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 04:15.38 | brlcad | turn it off, and you get traditional link-time errors |
| 04:19.16 | brlcad | the run-time injection is truely brilliant, but you really have to have a full cocoa app to take proper advantage of it |
| 04:20.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah when you want a basic app :) |
| 04:21.23 | brlcad | it works great for complex apps, just not traditional apps where you control the run-loop |
| 04:21.47 | brlcad | it can work for them too, but you have to keep track of the linker "warnings" with more effort |
| 04:22.13 | brlcad | the missing symbol was being reported, you probably just weren't reading it as it's on one of the detailed build logs |
| 04:22.29 | brlcad | the point it's stuck at now is the bogus devIL lib |
| 04:22.49 | brlcad | goinging to just fake it |
| 04:25.48 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 04:26.00 | brlcad | runs now |
| 04:26.06 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 04:26.07 | brlcad | though it's crashing inside devIL |
| 04:26.14 | JeffM2501 | I'm not dead set on devil |
| 04:26.28 | JeffM2501 | it was just an easy png reader |
| 04:26.48 | brlcad | inside TextureSystem::TextureSystem() |
| 04:26.57 | brlcad | it crashes inside ilutRenderer(ILUT_OPENGL); |
| 04:27.16 | JeffM2501 | is there an apple cool way to read a png? |
| 04:27.34 | brlcad | i don't think it's a problem with devil per-se |
| 04:27.58 | JeffM2501 | just how they built it? |
| 04:28.04 | brlcad | from the stack, it looks like it's trying to init an opengl context without opengl being init'd yet |
| 04:28.12 | JeffM2501 | ahh yeah |
| 04:28.17 | JeffM2501 | I haven't done that yet :) |
| 04:28.33 | brlcad | no, I took care of that -- just copied the libs to where it thinks they should have been -- so that's all kosher now |
| 04:29.08 | brlcad | you probably have fink libs, so it happens to match the dev that build the devil libs |
| 04:30.12 | JeffM2501 | no it complained too, but I had to add the libs from /usr/local/ |
| 04:30.24 | brlcad | ah, heh |
| 04:30.34 | brlcad | or that |
| 04:38.48 | JeffM2501 | so now time to init GL like the glCarbonAGLWindow sample shows :) |
| 04:39.48 | JeffM2501 | thanks for geting it straighented out :) |
| 04:41.03 | brlcad | no prob |
| 04:41.52 | JeffM2501 | so does the project now have zeroconf on or off? or is a per system seting? |
| 04:42.18 | brlcad | it's off |
| 04:42.37 | brlcad | it's per development style by default, can be specified per target too |
| 04:42.57 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 04:43.05 | JeffM2501 | can you have more then one project open at a time in x code? |
| 04:43.13 | brlcad | (i.e. Development vs Deployment Build Style) |
| 04:43.30 | brlcad | sure, at least used to be able to |
| 04:44.49 | JeffM2501 | hmm there is code to init GL there |
| 04:44.54 | JeffM2501 | must make sure I'm calling it |
| 04:56.12 | SilentSwan | *sigh* ok, i just cvs'ed the current version, compiled it on two machines - one running a server, one running a client. i still get incompatible server version?!? |
| 04:57.14 | SilentSwan | oh ... hang on |
| 04:57.21 | SilentSwan | something ain't right on the install |
| 04:58.29 | Tupone | SilentSwan: cvs update -rv2_0branch |
| 04:59.02 | SilentSwan | *sigh* |
| 05:00.46 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, is there a way to load a png and get it's data just in raw OSX? |
| 05:03.10 | jomojo | does anyone know about the -a feature |
| 05:03.21 | JeffM2501 | it limits acceleratons |
| 05:03.33 | jomojo | right though it doesn't seem very effective |
| 05:03.38 | jomojo | at current numbers |
| 05:03.42 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, the CVS head version is usualy broken often |
| 05:04.55 | jomojo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.16 | JeffM2501 | the units were "wierd" |
| 05:07.10 | jomojo | okay guys with new proto break perhaps we can finally limit max acceleration so that mouse enhancements don't add any advantage |
| 05:07.32 | trepan | jomojo: you already could |
| 05:07.49 | jomojo | trepan? how so? |
| 05:07.56 | trepan | -a |
| 05:08.07 | jomojo | right well it doesn't seem to have the desired effect |
| 05:08.15 | trepan | lower the values |
| 05:08.32 | jomojo | trepan what do you think the values should be? |
| 05:08.57 | trepan | i'm just saying that just beause your aren't noticing the difference there isn't one |
| 05:09.01 | trepan | try -a 2 2 |
| 05:09.08 | jomojo | lol |
| 05:09.17 | jomojo | i think that will make a bit of difference |
| 05:09.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (6 files in 3 dirs): devil sucks on OSX, remove it till sometin better comes along |
| 05:09.34 | trepan | yes, it will, so pick the numbers that please you |
| 05:09.46 | trepan | the suggested values are maybe a little on the high side |
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| 05:20.08 | jomojo | trepan my main issue is that it doesn't even things out |
| 05:20.34 | jomojo | it seems to slow down the normal players even more and still the ME players are a faster |
| 05:21.44 | jomojo | tell me how exactly |
| 05:22.13 | trepan | might want to let someone who knows the code do it |
| 05:22.30 | trepan | tupone/chestal/etc... are into that kinda thing |
| 05:23.16 | trepan | if you get a recording with a solid example of ME vs. non ME with limiting accel settings, it might be of interest |
| 05:23.28 | jomojo | i would love too |
| 05:29.53 | cosmos | hrm |
| 05:31.47 | jomojo | cosmos you know how to get actual test numbers? |
| 05:32.35 | cosmos | huh |
| 05:32.53 | cosmos | i just got home humor me i dont know what your talking about |
| 05:33.09 | jomojo | oh talking about mouse acceleration |
| 05:33.16 | jomojo | and ways to limit it using -a |
| 05:36.07 | cosmos | thats something new, when i compiled the current cvs i didnt know what it was but just set -a 0 0 according to the docs |
| 05:38.05 | jomojo | cosmos: 0 0 is either no value or way to low |
| 05:38.36 | cosmos | i believe it was null or no value, i had no idea and still dont know what it does |
| 05:38.43 | cosmos | so i ws attempting to disable it |
| 05:39.16 | jomojo | well trepan keys were limited a long time ago, but mouse wasn't because the mouse was thought to not be able to move that fast so lets just make it standard that all are limited to same values |
| 05:39.55 | jomojo | cosmos it is supposed to be a way to equal the field when it comes to mouse enhancement players |
| 05:40.13 | trepan | i'd rather see the 'physics' abilities of the tank limited then the input mechanism |
| 05:40.28 | trepan | that includes keyboard input |
| 05:40.51 | jomojo | hey i don't care either way as long as it is all equal |
| 05:42.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (4 files in 2 dirs): apple event hooks and stuff |
| 05:43.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/Win32/winApp.cpp: ws |
| 05:43.53 | cosmos | wtf is mouse enhancement |
| 05:44.24 | JeffM2501 | people who set there mouse sensitivity to be so fast they can change dirs in less then a frame |
| 05:44.31 | jomojo | mouse enhancement mainly applies to league playing |
| 05:44.48 | jomojo | yeah instant change of direction |
| 05:45.20 | cosmos | ahh. sounds like a candidate for their screen to explode |
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| 06:13.51 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.51 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.51 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.51 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.52 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.52 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.54 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.56 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:13.58 | cosmos | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.07 | trepan | why the spam? |
| 06:17.04 | cosmos | cmon its almost midnight smile a little! |
| 06:18.01 | trepan | 2:17 am here, has little to do with needlessly spamming our screens |
| 06:18.10 | trepan | (with material that we've seen from you before :) |
| 06:19.27 | cosmos | ok, lighten up? ;) |
| 06:19.59 | SilentSwan | *yawn* |
| 06:21.02 | cosmos | amazingly enough very little troublemakers on the new hepcat ffa so far |
| 06:27.15 | _Manu_ | cosmol, be patient :) |
| 06:27.20 | _Manu_ | errr cosmos :/ |
| 06:29.08 | cosmos | haha |
| 06:31.07 | _Manu_ | didn't notice there was a cosmol :) and autocompletion failed |
| 06:32.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/OSX/osxapp.cpp: if you want a window event callback called, probably should register it |
| 06:35.58 | ruskie | good morrow all |
| 06:37.49 | cosmos | morning |
| 06:37.49 | _Manu_ | hello ruskie |
| 06:37.52 | cosmos | or evening here |
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| 07:12.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/ (10 files in 7 dirs): |
| 07:12.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: get OSX processing all the display events, and initing a valid context. |
| 07:12.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: get OSX to draw some stuff with GL ( yay ) |
| 07:12.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: remove the unneded stuff from the nibs |
| 07:32.51 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/OSX/ (6 files in 2 dirs): give the sucker an icon |
| 07:34.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/OSX/mapedit.xcode/ (jeffm.mode1 jeffm.pbxuser): |
| 07:38.04 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/OSX/ (4 files in 2 dirs): rename the app to "bzedit" to be like the other OSs |
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| 08:22.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/ (9 files in 4 dirs): |
| 08:22.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: - preliminary support for -forcegfx (RequireGraphics) |
| 08:22.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: (should eventually be changed to levels or capabilities?) |
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| 09:57.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: not that it should matter |
| 10:07.42 | Pimpi | jomojo: 45 38 is quite gracious, in a test environment i could never exceed 42 38 with small mouse box and "normal" mouse settings, even though i used a billiard queue to speed up my mouse as fast as possible |
| 10:09.48 | Pimpi | i'd start from 20 20 and increase values until you don't feel a difference from your usual play anymore |
| 10:10.07 | Pimpi | i don't think you have to increase from that far to much |
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| 10:52.05 | jomojo | Pimpi: do you use this for your match servers? |
| 10:52.52 | jomojo | since and i are both running adrenaline servers and gu servers perhaps we should match up on settings |
| 10:54.14 | jomojo | frankly i don't care how it feels i want the numbers to match up |
| 10:54.35 | jomojo | between regular mouse users and ME |
| 11:14.45 | trepan | -a 0.25 0.25 , should be a very close match bewteen ME and non-ME ;) |
| 11:15.19 | trepan | also represents 0-90kph in 5 secs, not too shabby really |
| 11:44.37 | Pimpi | jomojo: i don't limit acceleratoin so far |
| 11:45.01 | jomojo | Pimpi: i think we should seriously considerate it |
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| 11:45.12 | Pimpi | but i was going to find my own values for it |
| 11:45.14 | jomojo | at least for the adrenaline league |
| 11:45.23 | jomojo | for the time being |
| 11:45.34 | jomojo | once we find the values that are appropriate |
| 11:45.39 | Pimpi | 50 38 didn't look plusible for me |
| 11:45.54 | jomojo | i am using 45 38 for now |
| 11:46.13 | jomojo | though will most likely reduce to 42 38 |
| 11:49.01 | jomojo | there is already underpinnings of grumbling about people abandoning the adrenaline league with the joining of those using ME |
| 12:05.15 | jomojo | Pimpi for now I am thinking that these settings should be instituted on adrenaline match servers -a 42 38 .. we can adjust later with further testing |
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| 12:09.00 | jomojo | trepan: indulge me in a little lesson, about the physics of it |
| 12:09.34 | jomojo | using the physics can all tanks be equal again and only the driver be the advantage? |
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| 12:45.15 | I_Died_Once | OK, I know everyone is going to tell me I am out of my ming, but on current CVS, /listplugins is an unknown command |
| 12:45.22 | I_Died_Once | and no plugins load |
| 12:46.28 | jpa- | I_Died_Once: you are out of your ming ,) |
| 12:46.51 | jpa- | well.. i don't know about plugin stuff, but maybe it is a option you need to enable on ./configure ? |
| 12:47.20 | jpa- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.47 | jpa- | ./configure --help tells more |
| 12:56.18 | trepan | try: --enable-shared |
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| 13:36.44 | jpa- | hmm.. say some good SVN-client for windows? |
| 13:38.45 | brad2901 | cygwin:) |
| 13:42.57 | BenUrban | jpa-: tortoise-svn maybe? |
| 13:43.18 | jpa- | BenUrban: had forgot the name actually :) |
| 13:43.36 | BenUrban | well then you're welcome ;) |
| 13:54.07 | jpa- | hmm.. it is for my friend, he says he tried tortoise and "it sucks" :) |
| 13:54.28 | jpa- | i haven't tried it (i don't use windows) |
| 13:58.32 | BenUrban | but it's the only one i've heard of |
| 13:58.37 | jpa- | yeah :D |
| 13:59.20 | jpa- | esvn is nice :) |
| 14:00.22 | jpa- | oooh |
| 14:00.26 | jpa- | it is for windows too |
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| 15:12.31 | unotmeu | trepan, jomojo, Pimpi, etc .... on "-a": I had an /accelstats command in the server for a while. |
| 15:12.55 | unotmeu | it showed that "-a" DOES limit both linear and roational accel |
| 15:13.20 | unotmeu | my /accelstats showed the max accels, and they matched what was set with -a |
| 15:13.46 | unotmeu | keep in mind that the user won't see a diff in mouse movement, the cursor will still flay across the screen for them |
| 15:14.05 | unotmeu | but, it does have an affect in what their client is sending out |
| 15:14.19 | jomojo | well hmm |
| 15:14.25 | jomojo | unotmeu |
| 15:14.31 | jomojo | i don't know |
| 15:14.40 | unotmeu | I was able to get a linear value (first number) of almost 50 w/o mouse accell |
| 15:14.58 | unotmeu | but, that was playing for quite some time, and may be due to rounding errors, etc. |
| 15:15.14 | jomojo | really pimpi could only get 42 without mouse accell |
| 15:15.17 | unotmeu | i will try to get an accelstats patch today |
| 15:15.40 | unotmeu | well, i'll try to get you a patch - you can try for yourself |
| 15:16.09 | Chestal | under normal circumstances I think 56.25 is max achievable due to packet throttling to a max of 30p/s |
| 15:16.16 | jomojo | what will this patch do? |
| 15:16.37 | unotmeu | I temporarily abandoned it, because it (/accelstats) showed bad numbers when # of packets/second was bumped way up (to 1000) |
| 15:16.52 | unotmeu | it will give you a server command ... /accelstats |
| 15:17.04 | unotmeu | it will report max linear and rotational accell of each player |
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| 15:17.23 | jomojo | ah |
| 15:17.43 | Chestal | however, local acc (as seen by client) can be much higher than 50 easily |
| 15:17.58 | unotmeu | in theory, if you set "-a 30 30", and have people play for a bit, moving their mice back&forth as fast as possible, it will report 30,30 |
| 15:18.00 | Inferno285 | I'm trying to install bzflag, from source, on solaris. Anyhelp? |
| 15:18.21 | unotmeu | Inferno285: no thx, we don't need help with that |
| 15:18.31 | blast007 | lol |
| 15:18.32 | Inferno285 | I need help! grrz |
| 15:18.53 | Inferno285 | I ran the "./configure" thing, now what? |
| 15:19.18 | blast007 | did it say what is it building? |
| 15:19.18 | unotmeu | did you run the autogen.sh thingy first ? |
| 15:19.48 | Inferno285 | autogen.sh, can I run that second? |
| 15:19.59 | blast007 | if it's the source tar, it won't need autogen.sh, but yeah, for CVS you need to run that first |
| 15:20.15 | unotmeu | right |
| 15:20.18 | Inferno285 | ".bz2" |
| 15:20.22 | unotmeu | k |
| 15:20.25 | blast007 | or the bz2 ;) |
| 15:20.31 | jpa- | now just make :) |
| 15:20.32 | unotmeu | did configure show any errors ? |
| 15:21.02 | unotmeu | ya, just do: make |
| 15:21.07 | Inferno285 | "error: C compiler cannot create execs" |
| 15:21.20 | unotmeu | huh |
| 15:21.20 | blast007 | then you won't get very far ;) |
| 15:21.43 | blast007 | your compiler isn't fully functional |
| 15:21.54 | Inferno285 | huh?? I'm new to solaris..and compiling. I'm a perl freak renember |
| 15:22.15 | Aribeth | freak :P |
| 15:22.21 | Aribeth | j/k |
| 15:22.23 | blast007 | :) |
| 15:22.31 | Inferno285 | blast007, anything I can do? |
| 15:22.40 | Aribeth | prey |
| 15:22.43 | Aribeth | :P |
| 15:22.55 | blast007 | pray* |
| 15:23.10 | jpa- | install gcc* |
| 15:23.11 | Aribeth | ok i can't spell :) |
| 15:23.17 | blast007 | hehe |
| 15:23.22 | Aribeth | heh |
| 15:23.23 | Inferno285 | where can I find gcc? |
| 15:23.31 | blast007 | the interweb |
| 15:23.32 | Aribeth | on the moon |
| 15:23.46 | Inferno285 | ~gcc |
| 15:23.47 | ibot | methinks gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, http://gcc.gnu.org/ |
| 15:23.55 | Inferno285 | hehe |
| 15:23.58 | ToughShooter_ | I know one copy is at mars city in delta labs ;) |
| 15:24.09 | unotmeu | Inferno285: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=error%3A+%22C+compiler+cannot+create%22&btnG=Search |
| 15:24.14 | blast007 | what package manager does solaris ues? |
| 15:24.18 | blast007 | use* |
| 15:24.30 | Aribeth | pkgadd |
| 15:24.34 | Inferno285 | how do I find that out? |
| 15:24.34 | Aribeth | its own |
| 15:24.34 | jpa- | blast007: i'm pretty sure he has _some_ C-compiler already.. |
| 15:24.44 | Aribeth | look at www.sunfreeware.com |
| 15:25.02 | jpa- | Inferno285: see unotmeu's link |
| 15:25.06 | Aribeth | gcc is there and make and all the other suport files you need |
| 15:25.15 | jpa- | Inferno285: first result |
| 15:25.31 | Aribeth | use the force inferno285 |
| 15:26.25 | unotmeu | google = the force |
| 15:26.47 | Aribeth | yep |
| 15:26.58 | Inferno285 | Aribeth, isn't that like...against buddha |
| 15:26.59 | unotmeu | The |
| 15:26.59 | unotmeu | only time I've seen this error message is when permissions were set |
| 15:27.00 | unotmeu | incorrectly on gcc executables, either in .../bin or .../libexec. Also |
| 15:27.00 | unotmeu | check the permissions of the directory where you are running the configure |
| 15:27.00 | unotmeu | script -- you need write permissions, of course, to produce object files |
| 15:27.00 | unotmeu | 'here'. |
| 15:27.12 | Aribeth | lol, here we go |
| 15:27.35 | Aribeth | i may be a buddist, but im not a fool |
| 15:27.42 | Inferno285 | unotmeu, I'm not root... |
| 15:28.03 | unotmeu | you have write permiss where you are building ? |
| 15:28.16 | Inferno285 | how do I define where I'm building? |
| 15:28.34 | Aribeth | if you are not root and try to build you may get an error |
| 15:28.43 | jpa- | Inferno285: are you wanting to compile just the server or client too? you might manage the server part.. installing libs for client will be a lot of pain if you don't have root access |
| 15:28.48 | unotmeu | hmmm, in the dir where .configure is, do: ls -la |
| 15:28.52 | jpa- | Aribeth: ? not on linux atleast? |
| 15:28.57 | unotmeu | show me the first 2 lines (only) |
| 15:29.00 | Aribeth | --prefix=/your-path |
| 15:29.20 | Aribeth | jpa- goes for solaris as well |
| 15:29.32 | Inferno285 | unotmeu, fist lines of what? |
| 15:29.40 | unotmeu | of: ls -la |
| 15:29.54 | Aribeth | and 24 years with Unix |
| 15:30.15 | brlcad | jpa-: solaris and "most" commercial unix vendors most all have _some_ C-compiler, but it's just not generally free as in beer or installed by default ;) |
| 15:30.34 | unotmeu | hmm, wouldn't the defaults be to build in the source dir ? |
| 15:30.47 | Aribeth | not really |
| 15:30.59 | unotmeu | not install, just build |
| 15:31.20 | Aribeth | inferno285, which version od solaris ? |
| 15:31.23 | Inferno285 | unotmeu, I'm lost |
| 15:31.29 | brlcad | with perhaps the exception of the solaris compiler, you generally want to use the vendor's c1;2c1;2compiler for the best performance -- for those that can't afford, gcc is the true path to enlightenment |
| 15:31.58 | Inferno285 | SPARC/10 I think |
| 15:32.03 | Aribeth | well put brlcad |
| 15:32.22 | Aribeth | is the sunfreeware cd installed? |
| 15:32.40 | unotmeu | Inferno285: just do this: ls -la |
| 15:32.52 | unotmeu | and, show me the first 2 lines of what it says |
| 15:33.28 | Aribeth | if so you prolly need to add /opt/**/bin to your PATH, and setup LD_LIBRARY_PATH for the libs |
| 15:33.28 | jpa- | (unotmeu: where?) |
| 15:33.43 | Inferno285 | drwxr-xr-x 16 beaulieus ....................... |
| 15:33.43 | Inferno285 | ''''''''''''''''''''''''' 8 ''''''''''''''''''''''''' |
| 15:33.43 | unotmeu | in the dir where he is running configure |
| 15:34.12 | unotmeu | ok, i'm lost |
| 15:34.22 | jpa- | looks "strange" |
| 15:34.40 | Inferno285 | hm, why? |
| 15:34.51 | unotmeu | you are logged in as beaulieus, i would assume ? |
| 15:34.57 | Inferno285 | yeh |
| 15:35.17 | brlcad | ~scramble unotmeu |
| 15:35.33 | BenUrban | ~scramble menotume |
| 15:35.56 | brlcad | mee no mut! |
| 15:36.16 | BenUrban | ~scramble Ben Urban |
| 15:36.21 | BenUrban | ... |
| 15:36.29 | Inferno285 | ~scramble Inferno285 |
| 15:36.35 | BenUrban | ~lart ibot |
| 15:36.39 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 15:36.52 | blast007 | ;) |
| 15:37.01 | Inferno285 | menotume, any help? |
| 15:37.08 | BenUrban | ~scramble brlcad |
| 15:37.24 | menotume | sry, i don't recognize the ouput of that 'ls' |
| 15:37.33 | menotume | maybe Aribeth can help |
| 15:37.49 | jpa- | menotume: maybe he censored filenames? |
| 15:37.49 | Inferno285 | I have full perms as "owner" |
| 15:38.42 | Inferno285 | of directory :"bzflag-2.0.4.20050930" |
| 15:38.44 | Aribeth | inferno285, try ./configure --prefix=/a-path-in-you-home-dir and see what happens |
| 15:39.18 | blast007 | maybe just a missing package? I had that error before when I was installing dev packages back in Slackware 9.1 |
| 15:39.53 | Aribeth | we need to see if gcc is working or not |
| 15:39.57 | Inferno285 | Aribeth, what is a-path-in.... |
| 15:40.04 | menotume | hehe |
| 15:40.11 | blast007 | ... |
| 15:40.12 | Aribeth | it can be a pain to get it working on solaris 10 |
| 15:40.20 | menotume | how about: ./configure --prefix=/tmp |
| 15:40.26 | menotume | just to see |
| 15:40.27 | blast007 | maybe a helloworld.c example then? ;) |
| 15:40.42 | Aribeth | example /home/foo/bzflag |
| 15:41.09 | Aribeth | where foo == your home directory ;) |
| 15:41.10 | menotume | /home/beaulieus/bzbuild |
| 15:41.12 | Inferno285 | my write perms start at "/export/home/beaulieus" |
| 15:41.42 | Aribeth | then do ./configure ==prefix=/export/home/beaulieus |
| 15:41.47 | Aribeth | run that |
| 15:41.47 | Inferno285 | ok then |
| 15:41.51 | jpa- | this will be a long evening.. |
| 15:42.19 | Aribeth | very verrrry long jpa- |
| 15:42.19 | blast007 | did you mean --prefix=/export/home/beaulieus/bzflag ? |
| 15:42.22 | menotume | how about: ./configure --prefix=/export/home/beaulieus/bzbuild |
| 15:42.28 | Aribeth | yes |
| 15:43.41 | Aribeth | inferno285, how long have you used solaris/linux? |
| 15:43.49 | Inferno285 | hm, more stuff happened this time, still didn't work though |
| 15:43.55 | Inferno285 | 2-3 weeks |
| 15:44.13 | Inferno285 | it's SPARC/solaris |
| 15:44.20 | Aribeth | might want to get a book on basic unix commands and one on solaris |
| 15:44.31 | brlcad | you actually have a sparc? |
| 15:44.38 | Aribeth | what is the first error line? |
| 15:44.39 | Inferno285 | oh, I'm not new to linux. |
| 15:44.54 | brlcad | just new to compiling/configuring software? :) |
| 15:45.29 | Inferno285 | "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C copiler cannot create executables" |
| 15:46.17 | brlcad | ~dict foad |
| 15:46.21 | Inferno285 | brlcad, yup I actually have one :p |
| 15:46.24 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:46.33 | brlcad | ~orchid++ |
| 15:46.37 | orchid | hehe |
| 15:46.45 | Aribeth | then your compiler isn't working |
| 15:46.59 | Aribeth | did you install the companion cd? |
| 15:47.09 | Inferno285 | huh |
| 15:47.11 | Inferno285 | ? |
| 15:47.20 | brlcad | everyone needs a companion |
| 15:47.39 | Aribeth | did you install solaris on the machine ;) |
| 15:47.49 | Inferno285 | SPARC........no |
| 15:47.59 | Inferno285 | it came with :) |
| 15:48.01 | Aribeth | so it was preinstalled then? |
| 15:48.07 | Aribeth | ok |
| 15:48.08 | Inferno285 | yeh |
| 15:48.48 | Aribeth | can you log in as root? |
| 15:49.00 | Inferno285 | nope :( |
| 15:49.16 | Aribeth | so it isn't your machine |
| 15:49.33 | Inferno285 | do you know what SPARC is? |
| 15:49.42 | Aribeth | yes i do |
| 15:49.50 | Inferno285 | I own the client :) |
| 15:49.51 | Aribeth | i just sold an ultra 80 |
| 15:49.54 | Inferno285 | not ther server |
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| 15:50.22 | brlcad | what the heck are you calling client/server? |
| 15:50.28 | purple_cow | maybe it's a ray? |
| 15:50.31 | brlcad | it's a piece of hardware |
| 15:50.32 | blast007 | is this a thin client? |
| 15:50.38 | brlcad | it is your hardware? |
| 15:50.43 | Inferno285 | it's a thin client |
| 15:50.53 | purple_cow | yay sun rays |
| 15:50.55 | purple_cow | they're so cute |
| 15:51.02 | brlcad | heh |
| 15:51.02 | Aribeth | ok |
| 15:51.42 | jpa- | Inferno285: and what are you trying to compile? bzflag client or bzfs server? |
| 15:51.43 | Inferno285 | yeh, so should I get gcc, or look to see if I have a c compiler |
| 15:51.56 | Inferno285 | I want the client |
| 15:51.59 | brlcad | Inferno285: type 'cc'.. does it find the command? |
| 15:52.00 | blast007 | do you even have the _rights_ to install gcc? |
| 15:52.02 | Aribeth | you have the compiler |
| 15:52.30 | Inferno285 | blast007, duh yeh |
| 15:52.32 | jpa- | blast007: only to his home directory.. and just think about SDL, libcurl etc. :S |
| 15:52.55 | blast007 | exactly...seems to be a painful operation :) |
| 15:53.12 | Inferno285 | jpa-, should I already have SDL, or ...maybe not ... |
| 15:53.13 | brlcad | Inferno285: so this hardware isn't yours personally, it's something someone's given you an account on? |
| 15:53.14 | Aribeth | inferno285, you will prolly need to talk to the server owner to resolve this |
| 15:53.43 | purple_cow | do rays even have accelerated gl? |
| 15:53.44 | jpa- | hmm.. is it your work computer? |
| 15:53.44 | brlcad | he could run sans sdl and curl, not the end of the world |
| 15:53.46 | Inferno285 | there isn't a "live" server owner in the other end |
| 15:54.01 | Inferno285 | jpa-, np |
| 15:54.03 | Inferno285 | no |
| 15:54.22 | Aribeth | is this a server you have leased or something? |
| 15:54.33 | Inferno285 | no |
| 15:55.13 | Inferno285 | OMG, I would |
| 15:55.18 | Inferno285 | 'nt be here then |
| 15:55.33 | brlcad | Inferno285: you can still build and install, but you'll have to go through a little bit of effort |
| 15:55.53 | jpa- | not necessary just a little bit.. |
| 15:55.55 | Inferno285 | yeh, I'm ready :) |
| 15:55.56 | brlcad | probably easier to get a binary passed to you, but as purple cow pointed out, you might not even have gl |
| 15:56.04 | jpa- | *necessarily |
| 15:56.27 | Aribeth | nope |
| 15:56.34 | Inferno285 | I could install gl, seperatley |
| 15:56.42 | brlcad | which means you're SOL |
| 15:56.42 | blast007 | think it's one of these: http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/html/products/mobile/ |
| 15:56.52 | Aribeth | sun video cards dont really suport it that i know of |
| 15:57.09 | Aribeth | very SOL |
| 15:57.16 | purple_cow | Aribeth: plenty of sun video cards do GL, just i don't think they have a real video chip in the rays |
| 15:57.16 | Inferno285 | ~SOL |
| 15:57.17 | ibot | i guess sol is Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 15:57.20 | brlcad | blast007: http://www.sun.com/sunray/sunray1/index.xml |
| 15:57.25 | Aribeth | only good for running a server |
| 15:58.29 | blast007 | brlcad: he's mentioned a tadpole system previously |
| 15:58.34 | purple_cow | hah, good definition |
| 15:58.35 | Aribeth | purple_cow, yes, but the ones that can do GL are expensive i think |
| 15:58.48 | purple_cow | Aribeth: of course, because those are real workstations ;) |
| 15:58.54 | Aribeth | yep |
| 15:59.03 | Inferno285 | how can I just check for gl? |
| 15:59.33 | Aribeth | try find / -name 'gl.h' |
| 16:00.30 | purple_cow | that isn't really a conclusive test, because the server may have GL headers. see if you can run 'glxgears' |
| 16:00.37 | Aribeth | true |
| 16:00.50 | jpa- | that is also faster |
| 16:00.55 | Inferno285 | I have it! |
| 16:01.10 | jpa- | Inferno285: what FPS does it report? |
| 16:01.18 | Aribeth | ok try purple_cow's sugestion |
| 16:01.19 | blast007 | 'it' being gl.h, or glxgears? |
| 16:01.30 | Inferno285 | gl.h... |
| 16:01.51 | blast007 | so try glxgears |
| 16:03.01 | Inferno285 | what is glxgears? |
| 16:03.11 | brlcad | blast007: did he now .. ahh.. the comet laptops are thin clients |
| 16:03.17 | purple_cow | just a little GL test program |
| 16:03.32 | Inferno285 | well, I have GL :) |
| 16:03.59 | Aribeth | did glgears run? |
| 16:04.12 | Aribeth | er...glxgears |
| 16:04.25 | purple_cow | hah, those comets are kind of cool |
| 16:04.27 | brlcad | framerate was what? |
| 16:04.38 | Inferno285 | haven't found glxgears...? |
| 16:04.38 | brlcad | they are a little neat .. integrated wireless |
| 16:04.48 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, again thanks for the help last night, I got it set and drawing GL in a resizeable window :) |
| 16:04.56 | brlcad | cool |
| 16:05.07 | JeffM2501 | tho it's not drawing the same as windows |
| 16:05.34 | JeffM2501 | dosn't OSX have a service to read in a PNG? |
| 16:08.17 | brlcad | yeah, quicktime reads in the world |
| 16:09.24 | Inferno285 | GL directory contains: gl.h, glmacros.h, glu.h, glx.h, glxmd.h, glxproto.h, glxtokens.h |
| 16:09.29 | JeffM2501 | I may just use that for OSX, I was trying to build devIL last night and it was a pain |
| 16:09.42 | JeffM2501 | I think I'll move image loading into the app class |
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| 16:11.31 | brlcad | JeffM2501: http://www.stepwise.com/Articles/Technical/2001-05-05.01.html -- see the "Display images" section |
| 16:11.42 | Inferno285 | is there a solaris compiled version out there already? |
| 16:11.45 | brlcad | that's one of several ways |
| 16:11.50 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 16:12.00 | JeffM2501 | been also checking out www.carbondev.com |
| 16:12.35 | JeffM2501 | figured out how to set an icon myself, I was so proud :) |
| 16:12.39 | brlcad | those are cocoa calls, though -- you'd have to find the underlying core foundation calls |
| 16:12.46 | brlcad | or carbon, whereever they are |
| 16:17.01 | Inferno285 | Aribeth, I have GL. now what? |
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| 16:24.29 | brlcad | here's a game everyone, what words can you spell out of ABCHKSLSA |
| 16:24.38 | orange_away | slack |
| 16:24.43 | Inferno285 | back |
| 16:24.46 | brlcad | using all letters |
| 16:24.47 | Inferno285 | lab |
| 16:24.51 | Inferno285 | oh |
| 16:24.52 | orange_away | oh sure |
| 16:25.05 | brlcad | heh |
| 16:25.10 | brlcad | ~scramble ABCHKSLSA |
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| 16:25.26 | Inferno285 | ~ASCHKBSLA |
| 16:26.33 | Inferno285 | Aribeth, YOU DITCHED ME FOR A RADIO!!!!?? |
| 16:26.41 | brlcad | ~scramble sucks, by the way for this particular purpose -- doesn't change starting, ending letters |
| 16:26.58 | purple_cow | black sash? |
| 16:27.09 | brlcad | purple_cow: very good! :) |
| 16:27.23 | brlcad | but as one word.. ;) |
| 16:27.24 | Aribeth | UPS just came |
| 16:27.46 | bryjen | backslash |
| 16:27.53 | orchid | thats it! |
| 16:27.57 | brlcad | ~bryjen++ |
| 16:28.03 | Inferno285 | slashback :) |
| 16:28.20 | bryjen | purple_cow's guess made it easy |
| 16:28.41 | Inferno285 | what does "~brygen++" do |
| 16:28.52 | bryjen | not much |
| 16:28.54 | Aribeth | inferno285, you will need to get the compiler working. try google, etc |
| 16:29.10 | Inferno285 | ok, fine .... |
| 16:29.33 | Inferno285 | I thought if I had GL, it would work? |
| 16:29.49 | Aribeth | not much i can tell you cause i don't know how you machine is setup |
| 16:30.10 | brlcad | ~Inferno285-- |
| 16:30.15 | brlcad | doesn't do much at all, see |
| 16:30.15 | Aribeth | you need to get the compiler to build executibles first |
| 16:30.36 | Inferno285 | do you have a client, I could give you my user and pass :) |
| 16:30.38 | JeffM2501 | what lame distro is he using? |
| 16:30.39 | brlcad | bryjen did win the big prize though |
| 16:31.12 | Inferno285 | ~brldcad-------------------------- |
| 16:31.28 | brlcad | ~ignore Inferno285 |
| 16:31.32 | ibot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, Inferno285!" |
| 16:31.35 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, please calm down |
| 16:31.44 | JeffM2501 | or you will be quieted |
| 16:31.45 | Inferno285 | ok |
| 16:32.02 | JeffM2501 | this place is not your personal playground |
| 16:32.30 | brlcad | it's JeffM2501's ;) |
| 16:32.37 | Inferno285 | hehe |
| 16:32.56 | JeffM2501 | hell yeah |
| 16:32.59 | JeffM2501 | all me |
| 16:33.04 | brlcad | woot |
| 16:33.36 | JeffM2501 | we shold have a con, in vegas |
| 16:33.48 | brlcad | mm.. vegas |
| 16:33.56 | bryjen | hmm, i /was/ about ready for lunch... |
| 16:34.22 | JeffM2501 | did my little dance make you loose your apetite? |
| 16:34.24 | brlcad | mm.. time for cold pizza, good idea |
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| 16:35.26 | Inferno285 | hi frank |
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| 16:36.19 | Inferno285 | hi Birdie |
| 16:36.32 | JeffM2501 | so he's our walmart greeter now? |
| 16:36.34 | Inferno285 | bye Pimpi |
| 16:36.39 | Inferno285 | hehe |
| 16:36.40 | JeffM2501 | don't you have to be like 100 to do that job? |
| 16:36.49 | Inferno285 | I am 100 :) |
| 16:36.53 | JeffM2501 | no your not |
| 16:36.55 | JeffM2501 | you are a child |
| 16:36.58 | JeffM2501 | and you kow it |
| 16:37.10 | Inferno285 | prove it to me |
| 16:37.33 | JeffM2501 | I don't have to prove it |
| 16:37.34 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 16:37.36 | JeffM2501 | I have faith |
| 16:37.43 | Inferno285 | ah, ok |
| 16:38.10 | bryjen | everyone is someone's child |
| 16:38.26 | JeffM2501 | except for the alien babys |
| 16:38.35 | JeffM2501 | their mom is a jar |
| 16:38.54 | Inferno285 | hi from mars, all you earth nerds :Pp |
| 16:39.02 | JeffM2501 | are you done Inferno285? |
| 16:39.04 | JeffM2501 | really? |
| 16:39.13 | Inferno285 | ok, shutting up |
| 16:39.28 | Inferno285 | sry |
| 16:39.30 | JeffM2501 | you don't have to shut up, just use some common sense before you type |
| 16:39.59 | JeffM2501 | your relitvly new here, so a ton of sillyness from you gets anoying realy fast |
| 16:40.05 | JeffM2501 | every so often is fine |
| 16:40.09 | JeffM2501 | and normal |
| 16:40.28 | Inferno285 | I've been coming for...say 2 months |
| 16:40.49 | Inferno285 | but yeah, I'll try to be more normal |
| 16:40.51 | JeffM2501 | like I say, your new here |
| 16:42.05 | brlcad | very new |
| 16:42.07 | bryjen | nyquil makes JeffM2501 mean. alien babies have feelings too ;) |
| 16:43.06 | JeffM2501 | they do |
| 16:43.29 | JeffM2501 | they have a hard life |
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| 16:50.47 | bryjen | on mabye JeffM2501 could just nuke the whole thing from orbit |
| 16:50.59 | JeffM2501 | I am on the edge |
| 16:51.05 | JeffM2501 | I do play violent video games |
| 16:58.34 | JeffM2501 | oh, I make my own |
| 16:58.44 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 16:58.46 | JeffM2501 | old famaily recipe |
| 17:03.09 | Birdie | ciao bella aribeth |
| 17:03.54 | Aribeth | hi Birdie |
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| 17:10.02 | bryjen | roll that beautiful bomb footage |
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| 17:24.19 | Inferno281 | ~seen gnurdix |
| 17:24.28 | ibot | i haven't seen 'gnurdix', Inferno281 |
| 17:25.37 | Inferno281 | ~seen gnurdux |
| 17:25.39 | ibot | gnurdux <n=gnurdux@69.251.241.119> was last seen on IRC in channel #botpark, 16h 26m 36s ago, saying: 'TimRiker, im curious, whats your job?'. |
| 17:29.17 | JeffM2501 | mmmmm happy serenity music :) |
| 17:30.00 | JeffM2501 | so lets just say that a map editor needed a place for "user" textures, where would be a good place for that be on linux? |
| 17:31.12 | jpa- | the bzflag's own texture folder? :) |
| 17:32.10 | blast007 | maybe /usr/share/somespothere |
| 17:32.16 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: allow the user to set it |
| 17:32.48 | bryjen | jpa- & blast007: that's a system location, a normal user would not be able to add things to it |
| 17:32.52 | jpa- | DTRemenak: the easiest way to get away from difficult decision? :) |
| 17:32.56 | blast007 | bryjen: ah |
| 17:33.07 | DTRemenak | jpa-: the most flexible way to store things |
| 17:33.26 | jpa- | bryjen: hmm.. true.. but isn't there some place bzflag downloads textures to etc.? |
| 17:33.27 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, yes yes, it's in the prefs, I'm just saying for default |
| 17:33.49 | blast007 | jpa-: in the home directory most likely |
| 17:33.59 | JeffM2501 | prefs lets you set the dir for "standard" textures and for user textures |
| 17:34.02 | DTRemenak | . is always a fun default |
| 17:34.11 | bryjen | bz downloads go to ~/.bzf/cache/ |
| 17:34.22 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:34.35 | jpa- | ugly |
| 17:34.40 | JeffM2501 | was pondering defaulting to the cache |
| 17:34.43 | ToughShooter | How do you want to use that location? |
| 17:34.44 | bryjen | yes, yes you are :P |
| 17:35.08 | JeffM2501 | but this is used for new maps, and I didn't want cache downloads in game to screw with new map textures |
| 17:35.12 | JeffM2501 | in case of a confilct |
| 17:35.28 | JeffM2501 | if somone wants to set it to be there, they can, as it will use the same dir layout |
| 17:35.30 | bryjen | yeah, that's not the right place for that |
| 17:36.03 | JeffM2501 | figure the editor will also have curl, to pull down textures from URLS too |
| 17:36.15 | JeffM2501 | may just use cache manager |
| 17:39.18 | ToughShooter | how about "user\ textures/" instead of cache as cache is a bit abstract? |
| 17:39.52 | JeffM2501 | cache is for bzflag |
| 17:39.54 | JeffM2501 | it's not changing |
| 17:39.57 | JeffM2501 | this is for somethign else |
| 17:40.41 | ToughShooter | I meant something like ~/.nameofapp/user\ textures |
| 17:41.40 | JeffM2501 | you guys can do \ ? |
| 17:41.44 | JeffM2501 | thought it was all / |
| 17:42.20 | ToughShooter | "user\ textures" is like seeing a folder with name "user textures" |
| 17:42.49 | blast007 | it escapes the space |
| 17:43.04 | ToughShooter | "mkdir user textures" creates "user" and "texture" folders |
| 17:43.44 | ToughShooter | "mkdir user\ textures" -> folder "user textures" |
| 17:44.00 | ToughShooter | like blast007 said |
| 17:44.17 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:44.18 | JeffM2501 | got it |
| 17:44.41 | JeffM2501 | don't 'nixies hate spaces? |
| 17:44.50 | JeffM2501 | they are "evil" or something like that |
| 17:45.11 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: they hate them because they have to \-escape them :) |
| 17:45.22 | ToughShooter | I don't know but I speculate it could have to do something with POSIX |
| 17:45.24 | bryjen | or "quote everything" :/ |
| 17:45.51 | ToughShooter | until now I had no need to find out why |
| 17:46.21 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, are't you a 'tosh user? |
| 17:46.46 | bryjen | unix in a pretty dress |
| 17:46.58 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 17:47.10 | JeffM2501 | it's something else with a unix mask :) |
| 17:47.15 | JeffM2501 | in a prety dress |
| 17:47.16 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Yes, but it's same behaviour as far as I watched |
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| 17:47.28 | bryjen | JeffM2501 ? |
| 17:47.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure it is the same behavor, since you have bsd bindings |
| 17:47.40 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, they arn't REALY unix down there |
| 17:47.45 | bryjen | oh, the microkernel thingy |
| 17:47.46 | JeffM2501 | they just have a unix face |
| 17:47.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:48.09 | JeffM2501 | most nix users would not like a space thing, where mac users would be fine with it |
| 17:48.15 | bryjen | heh "down there" |
| 17:48.18 | JeffM2501 | since mac users click everything |
| 17:48.20 | ToughShooter | darwin_xnu (xnu=x is not unix) |
| 17:48.30 | brlcad | bryjen: :) |
| 17:48.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah darwin is somethign else |
| 17:48.58 | bryjen | its really that command-line people dislike the spaces. the gui pokers don't care |
| 17:49.00 | JeffM2501 | for OSX there are other issues |
| 17:49.04 | JeffM2501 | about where to put stuff |
| 17:49.11 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 17:49.23 | JeffM2501 | many nixies are CLI people tho |
| 17:49.33 | JeffM2501 | and they would not appricate it |
| 17:49.43 | brlcad | ToughShooter: it's "XNU == XNU's Not UNIX" |
| 17:49.47 | JeffM2501 | for OSX sure, a folder called "bzedit user texturess" is fine |
| 17:50.01 | brlcad | recursive acronym |
| 17:50.09 | JeffM2501 | wine is not an emulator |
| 17:50.30 | ToughShooter | brlcad: One prof said that to me. :o |
| 17:50.48 | DTRemenak | yay recursive acronymns! |
| 17:50.54 | brlcad | there are issues where to put stuff? it's pretty well spelled out in the app dev documents |
| 17:50.57 | bryjen | LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder |
| 17:51.22 | brlcad | bryjen: that's so laame |
| 17:51.25 | ToughShooter | PPPC=PowerPC=Power with enchanced risk, performance chip, IIRC |
| 17:51.43 | ToughShooter | PPC* |
| 17:51.54 | brlcad | heh, are you trying to be funny? :) RISC |
| 17:52.18 | ToughShooter | bah, I hate typos |
| 17:52.45 | blast007 | 'Hurd' ==> 'Hird of Unix-Replacing Daemons', 'Hird' ==> 'Hurd of Interfaces Representing Depth' |
| 17:53.56 | brlcad | this is generally why they say that developers shouldn't name things |
| 17:54.14 | ToughShooter | Yeah, that would be better for me |
| 17:54.17 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, well asuming that I haven't read said app dev docs :) |
| 17:54.24 | JeffM2501 | where are you suposed to put user data? |
| 17:54.44 | JeffM2501 | like stuff they are suposed to be able to manage |
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| 17:54.57 | brlcad | is this for a unix, X11, console, or gui app? ;) |
| 17:55.08 | JeffM2501 | gui app |
| 17:55.27 | JeffM2501 | good old carbon app |
| 17:55.51 | brlcad | ~/Library is where all user data belongs |
| 17:55.54 | ibot | okay, brlcad |
| 17:56.01 | brlcad | damnits |
| 17:56.04 | JeffM2501 | basicly I need 2 dirs, one for the textures we ship figure those will go in the .app |
| 17:56.07 | brlcad | ~forget /Library |
| 17:56.07 | ibot | brlcad: i forgot /library |
| 17:56.21 | JeffM2501 | and one for the user textures they may want to add |
| 17:56.28 | ToughShooter | On Mac OS X prefs should go to ~/Library/Preferences/ , stuff that adds functionality to ~/Application\ Support but I'm confused today :| |
| 17:56.30 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, what if I want it per user? |
| 17:56.40 | Inferno281 | Jeff, this folder will contain textures on the client side. What good will that do? |
| 17:56.48 | brlcad | application resources belong in ~/Library/Application Support/APPNAME/. |
| 17:56.58 | JeffM2501 | Inferno281, well so the editor can you know... SHOW them |
| 17:57.07 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, what about per user stuff? |
| 17:57.15 | JeffM2501 | or is there a library dir per user? |
| 17:57.16 | brlcad | these are per user (hence the ~ -- ~ is their home directory) |
| 17:57.21 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:57.22 | JeffM2501 | ~ |
| 17:57.24 | JeffM2501 | got it |
| 17:57.30 | Inferno281 | oh, are you talking about bzflag? |
| 17:57.30 | JeffM2501 | and that shows in the finder? |
| 17:57.34 | brlcad | yes |
| 17:57.44 | brlcad | system-wide would be /Library/Preferences |
| 17:57.47 | JeffM2501 | Inferno281, no, read all the words on the line |
| 17:57.53 | brlcad | or inside the app bundle |
| 17:57.54 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, fair nuf then |
| 17:58.07 | JeffM2501 | I figure the stuff that dosn't change much can go in the app bundle |
| 17:58.15 | JeffM2501 | like the default textures |
| 17:58.22 | brlcad | application preferences go in ~/Library/Preferences/., not application support |
| 17:58.44 | Inferno281 | I'm lost |
| 17:58.45 | JeffM2501 | and I can just pass the ~ to fopen and it'll be cool? |
| 17:59.06 | JeffM2501 | Inferno281, you are not meant to follow all things |
| 18:00.59 | Inferno281 | I thought it might be relevant to materials on bzflag, and that site addon you wanted. |
| 18:01.09 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:01.16 | JeffM2501 | you should have read what I said then :) |
| 18:01.52 | JeffM2501 | and again, I don't WANT a site add on, I was just saying that if somone made one, then that would be the optimal mehtod |
| 18:02.04 | JeffM2501 | I belive what we have now is fine for the amount of texture trafic we get |
| 18:03.01 | Inferno281 | the addon will definitly promote texture traffic, promoting bzflag...alittle |
| 18:03.10 | JeffM2501 | not really |
| 18:03.22 | JeffM2501 | everyone knows how to get new textures added now |
| 18:03.47 | Inferno281 | I figured it out yesterday, for the fisrt time... |
| 18:03.51 | brlcad | JeffM2501: maybe but you're supposed to getenv("HOME") to get a home directory in the traditional calls, there are several other means too |
| 18:03.52 | JeffM2501 | I don't see how attaching them to a PM to me, is any diff then uploading to some mystical moderation system |
| 18:04.09 | JeffM2501 | ahh so same as nix then |
| 18:04.12 | brlcad | not sure what the usual cocoa/carbon call is, but I recall there being one too |
| 18:04.14 | JeffM2501 | filePathName = getenv("HOME"); |
| 18:04.19 | brlcad | yeah, that'll work |
| 18:04.21 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 18:04.26 | brlcad | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPFileSystem/Articles/LibraryDirectory.html |
| 18:04.28 | JeffM2501 | then I'll hack prefs onto it |
| 18:04.30 | brlcad | that explains Library |
| 18:04.45 | Inferno281 | people will log in, and they'll be like, sweet. I can upload my own textures, Jeff really is a genious |
| 18:04.57 | JeffM2501 | Inferno281, they can do that now |
| 18:04.58 | JeffM2501 | with a PM |
| 18:05.10 | JeffM2501 | the only difrence would be the words on the buttons |
| 18:05.35 | Inferno281 | yeh, I supose |
| 18:05.44 | JeffM2501 | no supose |
| 18:05.44 | JeffM2501 | is |
| 18:05.56 | JeffM2501 | it would still have to be moderated |
| 18:06.30 | JeffM2501 | and all it realy helps is us on the back end, by automaticly copying them, instead of me uploading them |
| 18:06.49 | Inferno281 | Your really putting me off |
| 18:06.51 | blast007 | wouldn't be hard to do, but I'd rather it not be tied into phpbb...just makes it harder to get rid of phpbb someday |
| 18:06.52 | brlcad | even better http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPFileSystem/Articles/WhereToPutFiles.html |
| 18:06.55 | bryjen | and you're such a genious, you can do that in your sleep |
| 18:06.57 | JeffM2501 | Inferno281, pardon? |
| 18:07.14 | JeffM2501 | blast007, the game is tied into it |
| 18:07.17 | Inferno281 | Why don't you make me "want" to do it |
| 18:07.25 | blast007 | JeffM2501: right, which I what I don't like |
| 18:07.31 | JeffM2501 | Inferno281, you have to have the will to do what ever you want |
| 18:07.32 | blast007 | limits us |
| 18:07.39 | JeffM2501 | blast007, true, I'd like to see it abstracted |
| 18:07.41 | JeffM2501 | but it's not |
| 18:07.53 | JeffM2501 | so tie it in, and when we do abstract just do that at the same time |
| 18:07.56 | brlcad | Inferno281: why don't you make me a sandwich? |
| 18:08.02 | JeffM2501 | for management I allmost NEED it to be tied into bzbb |
| 18:08.20 | JeffM2501 | Inferno281, you don't need my "aproval" or anything |
| 18:08.41 | JeffM2501 | I'm just telling you that I don't see a big need for it now, tha's why I don't want it. If somone makes it I'll gladly use it |
| 18:08.45 | Inferno281 | yeh, I do need your support. Ofcourse |
| 18:08.50 | JeffM2501 | no you don't |
| 18:09.12 | JeffM2501 | what support do you need from me personaly? |
| 18:09.16 | JeffM2501 | I'm just a person |
| 18:09.20 | Inferno281 | I don't own the server...I don't know what the database groups are, and how it's setup |
| 18:09.28 | brlcad | is that an open-ended question to anyone? :) |
| 18:09.37 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:09.43 | JeffM2501 | Inferno281, phpbb is public |
| 18:09.45 | blast007 | Inferno281: it's a phpbb database, with some modifications |
| 18:09.59 | blast007 | there is even an sql dump in CVS for the other stuff |
| 18:10.00 | Inferno281 | oh, ok. thx |
| 18:10.02 | JeffM2501 | it would be trivial for you to set up your own test system |
| 18:10.22 | JeffM2501 | and if you made it configurable enough we could integrate it easaly |
| 18:10.24 | Inferno281 | it would. |
| 18:10.53 | JeffM2501 | you don't need us to hold your hand, you have the brain, and the net, use it to research everything you need |
| 18:11.04 | JeffM2501 | I've told you what I'd like to see in a system, that's all |
| 18:11.19 | JeffM2501 | as one of the forum admins, all of those features would make it very easy to do textures |
| 18:11.30 | JeffM2501 | but I dont' think it's going to increase the number of textures people send in |
| 18:11.46 | JeffM2501 | since I don't think the reason it's low now is the dificulty of hosting |
| 18:12.08 | JeffM2501 | the reason is the lack of experince in modern 3d art experience in the maping comunity |
| 18:12.50 | bryjen | ~spell experince |
| 18:12.58 | JeffM2501 | the comunity is slowly geting there, louman is showing them what they can do |
| 18:13.34 | JeffM2501 | so an easyer tool to host will be used more in the future, but not because of the tool, but because of the mapers growing in knowledge |
| 18:13.55 | JeffM2501 | thats why I don't think we NEED it right now, but it would be nice to have |
| 18:14.35 | JeffM2501 | it's also the reason we should not use a rush or hackish system, but let somone spend the time to do it up the best possible way |
| 18:15.05 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: people are hesitant to email us, believe it or not |
| 18:15.10 | JeffM2501 | now on blast007's comment, I'd also like to see user auth abstracted to a bzflag specific thingy that isn't the list serve |
| 18:15.27 | DTRemenak | I think a web submission system would be helpful in that regard |
| 18:15.35 | JeffM2501 | possibly |
| 18:15.43 | JeffM2501 | I just got a texture request too day |
| 18:15.59 | JeffM2501 | that's why I say it'd be nice to have |
| 18:16.27 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you wana make a forum just for hosting submision untill somone makes a system? |
| 18:16.40 | JeffM2501 | makes it a bit more public and maybe less stresfull |
| 18:16.52 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: naw. better to wait for a real solution imho. |
| 18:16.57 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:16.58 | bryjen | LouMan's worlds, and Aribeth egyptian one.... |
| 18:17.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah few mapers use them |
| 18:17.17 | JeffM2501 | most are just learning to model |
| 18:17.30 | ToughShooter | my maps also used it but no longer hosted |
| 18:17.32 | JeffM2501 | spazzy mcgee made that new stump mesh, it's prety good |
| 18:17.45 | JeffM2501 | it's textures are now hosted |
| 18:19.38 | DTRemenak | tread baron's maps use a couple textures from the set that Jeff uploaded at the very beginning |
| 18:21.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/NEWS: scoring is server-side |
| 18:26.01 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once: change bz_setPlayerAdmin to bz_setPlayerOperator |
| 18:29.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/prefs.cpp: better prefs location for linux and OS X |
| 18:33.26 | ToughShooter | ~8ball should I think twice before writing something next time? |
| 18:33.29 | ibot | I'm not sure. |
| 18:34.59 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10tools/bzedit/src/worldRender.cpp: cheapass disable of textures for OSX |
| 18:39.30 | brlcad | ~Tupone++ |
| 18:39.38 | Tupone | :) for what ? |
| 18:39.43 | Tupone | in general ? |
| 18:40.12 | Tupone | ty |
| 18:40.26 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:40.38 | Tupone | ~brlcad++ |
| 18:40.45 | Tupone | hehe :) |
| 18:41.12 | Tupone | need to make a rule for make dist that build ChangeLog |
| 18:41.27 | Tupone | SomeOne (TM) |
| 18:43.24 | brlcad | :) |
| 18:47.12 | DTRemenak | ~Tupone++ |
| 18:47.13 | DTRemenak | ~brlcad++ |
| 18:47.34 | brlcad | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 18:47.36 | Tupone | !DTRemenak++ |
| 18:47.38 | brlcad | feel the love |
| 18:47.53 | Tupone | { |
| 18:49.56 | bryjen | ~slap DTRemenak |
| 18:49.57 | ibot | ACTION slaps DTRemenak, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 18:50.07 | DTRemenak | ~bzfrag bryjen |
| 18:50.08 | ibot | ACTION squishes bryjen with a steamroller |
| 18:50.26 | Tupone | ~shot everybody |
| 18:50.43 | Tupone | ~shoot everybody |
| 18:50.45 | ibot | ACTION shoots everybody in the eye with a glue gun! |
| 18:53.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Message directed to bots are mostly managed locally |
| 18:54.23 | ToughShooter | Tupone: Any work done on moving GM strategy into bzfs yet? |
| 18:55.07 | Tupone | well, actually is the last in my plans, need to workout on collision and Dead Reckoning before doing that. I don't think is very soon if I do it at all |
| 18:55.57 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: bzfs doesn't even keep track of shots yet. give us another couple years :) |
| 18:56.19 | Tupone | hmm, couple years, I bet less |
| 18:56.33 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: I don't have enough patience for that ;) |
| 18:56.55 | DTRemenak | Tupone: yeah, but if he gives us a couple years and we finish in one year, then he is happy. if he gives us six months and we finish in one year, he is sad :) |
| 18:57.03 | Tupone | lol |
| 18:57.49 | ToughShooter | basically I would like to see my GM patch go in when tupone doesn't have GM stuff changed until 2.2.0 |
| 18:58.24 | DTRemenak | Tupone: like Scotty explained, always multiply your estimates by four, so you can maintain your reputation as a miracle worker :) |
| 18:58.38 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: I don't see any patch from you |
| 18:58.41 | Tupone | if we release bzflag in 4 month it will be not in 2.2 |
| 18:59.01 | Tupone | eek, 4 x 4 = 16 |
| 18:59.42 | *** join/#bzflag Grumbler (n=Grumbler@pdpc/supporter/bronze/grumbler) |
| 19:00.01 | DTRemenak | Tupone: exactly. say 16 months. then when we finish in 6 we finished ten months early, instead of two months late :) |
| 19:00.27 | ToughShooter | DTRemenak: I've talked to jeff about that and he said it should wait until tupone's changes. beside the patch is at http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1114032&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 19:00.59 | DTRemenak | ah. old patch :) |
| 19:01.04 | DTRemenak | that is why I did not see it |
| 19:01.25 | ToughShooter | It needs a protocoll break ;) |
| 19:01.28 | DTRemenak | why does Jeff want to delay? |
| 19:01.30 | Tupone | ToughShooter: I have other things to put there shot related, so maybe wait for those |
| 19:01.34 | ToughShooter | protocol* |
| 19:02.03 | Tupone | even if I don't see any reason |
| 19:03.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: Unuseful check removed |
| 19:03.48 | bryjen | it doesn't change the protocol, really. could use protocol version to ensure same behavior on all clients.. |
| 19:06.15 | *** join/#bzflag ToughShooter_ (n=ts@p54B02314.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:11.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/autogen.sh: update from cad. since autogen.sh is a succint step, presume that we simply want to end up with the same COPYING and INSTALL that we started with, so restore from backup if they change regardless of the current revision |
| 19:23.56 | *** join/#bzflag TheKnightsWhoSay (n=502e2da1@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:25.03 | *** join/#bzflag PrezKennedy (n=Apathy@pcp0011645240pcs.aberdn01.md.comcast.net) |
| 19:36.13 | DTRemenak | ServerLink.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "void __cdecl injectMessages(unsigned short,unsigned short,void *)" (?injectMessages@@YAXGGPAX@Z) referenced in function "public: void __thiscall ServerLink::sendBeginShot(struct FiringInfo const &)" (?sendBeginShot@ServerLink@@QAEXABUFiringInfo@@@Z) |
| 19:36.24 | DTRemenak | when building bzadmin |
| 19:36.32 | Tupone | hmm |
| 19:36.38 | Tupone | it does build to me |
| 19:37.08 | Tupone | ahh, need an ifdef |
| 19:37.14 | Tupone | I wonder why it compiles to me |
| 19:37.38 | Tupone | have you BUILDBZADMIN defined? |
| 19:38.17 | *** join/#bzflag Inferno285 (n=beaulieu@206.8.175.121) |
| 19:38.17 | Tupone | BUILDING_BZADMIN :) |
| 19:38.35 | Tupone | you should define it when building bzadmin |
| 19:38.40 | DTRemenak | don't seem to |
| 19:38.43 | DTRemenak | k |
| 19:39.34 | Tupone | don't hurry to test, I don't get bot on public server :( Possibly a patch in half an hour x 4 |
| 19:40.13 | DTRemenak | much better, thx |
| 19:40.40 | DTRemenak | just need to test my own stuff :) |
| 19:40.49 | DTRemenak | noticed that it failed to build |
| 19:41.30 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzadmin.vcproj: define BUILDING_BZADMIN when building...uh...bzadmin. |
| 19:42.14 | *** join/#bzflag bz2192 (n=5253818e@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:42.35 | Tupone | DTRemenak: that will remove the need of openGL for bzadmin |
| 19:42.44 | Tupone | I though you already had this |
| 19:42.50 | DTRemenak | Tupone: does not matter on windows. gl is always available |
| 19:42.57 | Tupone | ahh |
| 19:43.10 | DTRemenak | I suppose nobody ever set it :) |
| 19:44.10 | Tupone | at least you could not use openGL on linking now, perhaps saving a few cpu cycles |
| 19:45.23 | DTRemenak | we weren't linking to it before |
| 19:45.30 | DTRemenak | vc eliminates dead code before linking |
| 19:45.37 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:51.00 | DTRemenak | http://dtremenak.bakadigital.com/pm-bzf.png |
| 19:51.28 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:52.05 | DTRemenak | "heh"? :) |
| 19:52.30 | orchid | ooh nifty |
| 19:53.28 | JeffM2501 | it's on the forums |
| 19:53.29 | orange_away | saw it on bzbb |
| 19:53.46 | Inferno285 | bryjen, what role do you play in bzflag? |
| 19:53.49 | orange_away | that's awesome |
| 19:53.55 | orange_away | is it live, or a mockup? |
| 19:54.02 | DTRemenak | that's live |
| 19:54.10 | orange_away | ~dtremenak++ |
| 19:54.23 | JeffM2501 | role? |
| 19:54.30 | DTRemenak | from http://my.bzflag.org/bzfls-dtrtest.php |
| 19:55.36 | bryjen | Who's Scott? |
| 19:55.38 | bryjen | ;) |
| 19:55.41 | DTRemenak | ah, thx JeffM2501 |
| 19:55.45 | Inferno285 | JeffM2501, he's admin...is he a dev or something |
| 19:55.51 | JeffM2501 | he is bryjen |
| 19:56.02 | JeffM2501 | often he is my savior |
| 19:56.04 | Inferno285 | on the bzflag forums |
| 19:56.05 | JeffM2501 | and all around good guy |
| 19:56.18 | JeffM2501 | I think he's got admin bit set |
| 19:56.25 | Inferno285 | am I a good duy? |
| 19:56.30 | Inferno285 | guy* |
| 19:56.35 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 19:56.40 | JeffM2501 | how long have I known you? |
| 19:56.55 | Inferno285 | 2 months...maybe 100 |
| 19:57.21 | DTRemenak | heh, bryjen :) |
| 19:57.22 | orange_away | hmm, that's always a dangerous question to ask, if you think someone might be honest :-) |
| 19:57.51 | JeffM2501 | whilst I have formed opinions allready about Inferno285 I shand rellay them here |
| 19:58.09 | Inferno285 | JeffM2051, do you like my smooth terrain idea (a post under enhancements) |
| 19:58.21 | orange_away | I've not known you to hold back so much, JeffM2501 :-) |
| 19:58.26 | DTRemenak | bryjen: actually it surprised me, I sent one to myself from an alias, and then bzflag said I had two, and I was like...whoa. and sure enough, someone else had sent me a message about registration. |
| 19:59.03 | bryjen | i run a public server, am a backup assistant admin on the BB, and occasionally help squash bugs in the code |
| 19:59.14 | JeffM2501 | orange_away, I can allways strive to be better can't I? :) |
| 19:59.21 | DTRemenak | in other words, bryjen is god. |
| 19:59.26 | JeffM2501 | don't forget master spellchecker |
| 19:59.43 | DTRemenak | ~bryjen++ |
| 19:59.47 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 19:59.52 | bryjen | well, JeffM2501 did call me his "savior", but i was avoiding any jesus jokes ;) |
| 19:59.54 | Grumbler | is that like a scotts toliet paper roll....or like the scots.....with the dress wearing ;) |
| 19:59.58 | JeffM2501 | ~bryjen++ |
| 20:00.03 | DTRemenak | bryjen: I couldn't avoid it :) |
| 20:00.04 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:00.08 | JeffM2501 | he is kind of bog rolls |
| 20:00.42 | JeffM2501 | I've been waiting to see that |
| 20:00.47 | Inferno285 | bryjen, do your eyes get soar from too much blinking? |
| 20:00.58 | JeffM2501 | his eyes fly? |
| 20:01.12 | orange_away | JeffM2501: better? I dunno, honesty is not bad |
| 20:01.14 | Inferno285 | *winking* |
| 20:01.30 | JeffM2501 | orange_away, somtimes subtlety helps protect the young |
| 20:01.43 | Inferno285 | Jeff, if they are bad opinions. I can't help getting better |
| 20:01.59 | bryjen | Inferno285: no, they do not soar |
| 20:01.59 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, and I thought I spelled bad |
| 20:02.02 | bryjen | ~dict soar |
| 20:02.18 | Inferno285 | sore |
| 20:02.19 | JeffM2501 | at least I have a public school to blame it on :) |
| 20:02.23 | JeffM2501 | there ya go skipp |
| 20:02.40 | JeffM2501 | I am a leaf on the wind.... watch how i soar |
| 20:02.54 | JeffM2501 | damn that Joss |
| 20:03.56 | bryjen | don't say that, you'll end up dead :( |
| 20:04.26 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 20:04.29 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 20:04.40 | JeffM2501 | why did it have to be walsh |
| 20:04.56 | JeffM2501 | they got Book, that should have been enough |
| 20:05.32 | ToughShooter | brlcad: it seems like bzflag crashed due to sdl again and this time I have an open gdb session |
| 20:06.17 | menotume | ~bryjen++ (just catching up) |
| 20:06.27 | orange_away | those don't register |
| 20:06.29 | orange_away | I don't think |
| 20:06.36 | ToughShooter | http://pastebin.com/409310 <- crash |
| 20:10.34 | brlcad | ToughShooter: that's a stripped or optimized bzflag build, so there are no symbols of high significance -- better to test with an unstripped debug build |
| 20:11.04 | brlcad | that said, thanks.. it's at least showing that it's c1;2c1;2c1;2crashing inside SDL_SetVideoMode which is only called in one place |
| 20:12.18 | JeffM2501 | Fearless isn't here |
| 20:12.24 | JeffM2501 | save a copy of the old and give it a shot |
| 20:12.27 | JeffM2501 | I've done it a couple times |
| 20:12.32 | JeffM2501 | with no problem |
| 20:12.34 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 20:12.36 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/game/ServerList.cxx: allow for the display of arbitrary notices from the list server |
| 20:12.44 | JeffM2501 | just test, and be ready to backdate if need be |
| 20:13.07 | JeffM2501 | at worst you blow out the list and it repops over the next 10 min |
| 20:14.13 | ToughShooter | brlcad: I remember it only crashes when switching from windowed to fullscreen but as I have proofed a lot I'm horrible confused |
| 20:14.19 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (i=revol@ALyon-253-1-32-212.w83-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:14.53 | DTRemenak | hrm. the current copy seems to be one cvs revision behind anyway... |
| 20:15.01 | DTRemenak | wonder if there's a reason for that. oh well. |
| 20:16.03 | JeffM2501 | some who update don't acctualy check it out |
| 20:16.07 | JeffM2501 | but just make the changes by hand |
| 20:16.11 | JeffM2501 | and commit to CVS |
| 20:16.13 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Hmm? That build was created via running ./autogen.sh; ./configure and then using the XCode project, style development |
| 20:17.17 | brlcad | ToughShooter: run ./configure --enable-debug instead |
| 20:17.29 | DTRemenak | hm. db commits do not trigger CIA? |
| 20:17.34 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10db/bzfls.php: notify players if they have private messages that they should go read. this will help players contact other players who do not actively read the board. |
| 20:17.38 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:17.40 | DTRemenak | ah, there we go. just a couple minutes late |
| 20:17.48 | JeffM2501 | your just too fast for little ol CIA |
| 20:17.50 | brlcad | when you compile in xcode, it can run configure itself -- should add an --enable-debug to the build script it uses too |
| 20:18.14 | DTRemenak | heh, a little too fast? like four minutes? :) |
| 20:18.17 | ToughShooter | brlcad: also I had no costum CFLAGS etc. and .profile only changed $PATH and $PAGER |
| 20:18.19 | bryjen | all the spooks busy preparing for halloween |
| 20:18.50 | SportChick | http://www.postcrescent.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051028/APC0101/510280396/1003 |
| 20:18.52 | ToughShooter | brlcad: Ah |
| 20:18.59 | DTRemenak | Tupone: are your latest list server changes OK to go live? |
| 20:19.02 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, CIA aint' no spring chicken |
| 20:19.28 | Tupone | I didn't made any change not yet live |
| 20:19.51 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, well it may be live now then :) |
| 20:19.55 | DTRemenak | Tupone: heh. ok :) must be some time-zone craziness then :) |
| 20:20.29 | Tupone | bzfls.php? I did long time ago |
| 20:20.40 | DTRemenak | Revision : 1.59 Date : 2005/10/8 0:14:57 |
| 20:20.48 | DTRemenak | -rw-r--r-- 1 tupone www-data 26487 Oct 7 17:07 bzfls.php |
| 20:21.14 | Tupone | yep, I changed there ... and then commit |
| 20:21.18 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 20:21.20 | Tupone | so I remember |
| 20:22.34 | bryjen | cvs date is UTC |
| 20:23.39 | DTRemenak | m.b.o is not set to UTC time? |
| 20:23.43 | DTRemenak | hmm, guess not |
| 20:23.50 | DTRemenak | Fri Oct 28 13:23:30 MST 2005 |
| 20:23.58 | JeffM2501 | it is arizona |
| 20:24.10 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I run my servers on UTC |
| 20:24.18 | DTRemenak | physical location is irrelevant |
| 20:24.30 | JeffM2501 | I mean as time zone :) |
| 20:24.40 | DTRemenak | yeah, mountain standard (MST) |
| 20:24.49 | JeffM2501 | AZ isn't MST |
| 20:25.00 | JeffM2501 | tho maybe he changd it |
| 20:25.08 | JeffM2501 | we'll find out when it changes |
| 20:25.22 | DTRemenak | AZ is MST, but never rotates to MDT |
| 20:25.51 | bryjen | ls will show time adjusted to TZ, the OS tracks UTC internally |
| 20:26.34 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 20:26.34 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:26.38 | DTRemenak | bryjen: ahhh, ok |
| 20:28.05 | brlcad | DTRemenak: they've provided their password, how about just given them the message there? :) |
| 20:28.06 | DTRemenak | excellent, all works |
| 20:28.15 | DTRemenak | brlcad: heh :) |
| 20:28.39 | DTRemenak | brlcad: make them come to the forum ;) |
| 20:28.46 | brlcad | a simple interface like memoserv or something -- read 1 del 1 |
| 20:29.06 | brlcad | as client commands |
| 20:29.16 | DTRemenak | brlcad: that would require a lot more work on the list server side. I despise php, not to mention not knowing any :) |
| 20:29.24 | Tupone | brlcad: how they give the password again? or use the token ? |
| 20:29.35 | bryjen | the bzflag console is not the best interface for reading long blocks of text :/ |
| 20:29.47 | DTRemenak | bryjen: how long is the typical pm? |
| 20:30.00 | DTRemenak | suppose I could list all the subject lines |
| 20:30.07 | bryjen | I donno. I don't use them :) |
| 20:30.13 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 20:30.23 | brlcad | Tupone: use the token, or contact list server whatever -- i'm talking about end-result not the implementation |
| 20:30.57 | Tupone | well, the problem if that is a password, should be known by server, and we dont want this |
| 20:31.15 | DTRemenak | Tupone: this is all client<->list server communication |
| 20:31.19 | DTRemenak | none goes through the server |
| 20:31.22 | Tupone | ahh |
| 20:31.23 | Tupone | ok |
| 20:31.24 | brlcad | i'm not saying talk to server |
| 20:31.37 | Tupone | haven't see the code yet |
| 20:31.49 | Tupone | I should imagine thought :( |
| 20:31.58 | DTRemenak | Tupone: really simple code. adds a NOTICE message, when client requests token. |
| 20:32.41 | brlcad | could bypass the list server entirely, just talk to bb, log in, get messages, log out, etc |
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| 20:33.21 | brlcad | not pretty, but it would certainly make for a useful in-game communication system |
| 20:33.45 | bryjen | time to be fitted for your 'special' jacket |
| 20:34.13 | DTRemenak | brlcad: yeah, could just add another php file specifically for that |
| 20:34.27 | bryjen | eep, it's contagious! |
| 20:34.57 | bryjen | ~slap DTRemenak |
| 20:35.01 | ibot | ACTION slaps DTRemenak, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:35.04 | bryjen | deja vu |
| 20:35.06 | DTRemenak | ~bzfrag bryjen |
| 20:35.08 | ibot | ACTION tries to kill bryjen, but finds the shield flag |
| 20:35.12 | DTRemenak | aww |
| 20:35.13 | bryjen | all over again |
| 20:36.14 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: what do you think of adding a FAQ sticky to the Enchancements forum? |
| 20:36.27 | DTRemenak | heh. Enhancements. |
| 20:36.54 | JeffM2501 | the list of "don't ask these thigs.. it's been done" |
| 20:36.59 | DTRemenak | things like "no tanks will not tilt" |
| 20:37.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah go ahead |
| 20:37.09 | JeffM2501 | not that anyone will read it |
| 20:37.16 | DTRemenak | heh. ok :) |
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| 20:38.04 | JeffM2501 | but it would be a good idea to lay out the ground rules that we seem to run under |
| 20:38.09 | JeffM2501 | unspoken as they are |
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| 20:40.35 | Inferno285 | bzflag is written in c++, right? |
| 20:40.55 | brlcad | it's a mix |
| 20:41.05 | Inferno285 | C mixed with C++? |
| 20:41.11 | brlcad | mostly |
| 20:41.19 | brlcad | list server is php |
| 20:41.24 | JeffM2501 | put in there "don't asume developers are lazy or stupid, there may just be a good reason X feature isn't in the game" |
| 20:41.28 | Inferno285 | oh, duh |
| 20:41.42 | JeffM2501 | C is a subset of C++ |
| 20:41.44 | Inferno285 | okk, sry Jeff |
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| 20:42.40 | DTRemenak | technically C++ is a superset of C |
| 20:42.58 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 20:43.00 | JeffM2501 | C was first |
| 20:43.02 | brlcad | technically it's not a proper superset ;) |
| 20:43.08 | DTRemenak | true :) |
| 20:43.20 | JeffM2501 | and we have a couple just good old .c files |
| 20:43.20 | Inferno285 | can C do all the same things that C++ can do? |
| 20:43.27 | JeffM2501 | but usualy you don't consider those seperate |
| 20:43.32 | JeffM2501 | Inferno285, no |
| 20:43.35 | DTRemenak | Inferno285: yes |
| 20:43.40 | JeffM2501 | well, not easaly |
| 20:43.40 | Inferno285 | ooookkkkkkk |
| 20:43.43 | DTRemenak | but in very different ways |
| 20:43.54 | Grumbler | spiritually, its a little like abott and costello |
| 20:43.57 | DTRemenak | it's very hard to do OOP with C, and very easy with C++ |
| 20:43.57 | JeffM2501 | the idea behind C++ was to take C and add more stuff |
| 20:44.09 | JeffM2501 | C can't do // :) |
| 20:44.20 | Inferno285 | "//"? |
| 20:44.22 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: but it can do single line comments... /* x */ :) |
| 20:44.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:44.34 | JeffM2501 | can you fake templates in C? |
| 20:45.02 | Inferno285 | have any of you got into assembly language? |
| 20:45.13 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: probably, but templates are painful even in C++ :) |
| 20:45.19 | JeffM2501 | the can be yeah |
| 20:45.24 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: with self-modifying code, you can do anything :) |
| 20:45.43 | brlcad | were's // comments added in the 2001 ansi spec for C? |
| 20:46.01 | JeffM2501 | isn't in C99 |
| 20:46.07 | JeffM2501 | or what ever that one was called? |
| 20:46.26 | brlcad | that is true |
| 20:46.34 | JeffM2501 | don't think anyone in the real application world realy differentiates C from C++ do they? |
| 20:46.40 | JeffM2501 | many just code C style with C++ |
| 20:46.44 | JeffM2501 | if not opp |
| 20:46.58 | JeffM2501 | smoothed texturs? |
| 20:47.11 | Inferno285 | I mean smooth terrain |
| 20:47.20 | Inferno285 | like hills |
| 20:47.22 | JeffM2501 | the game named bzflag will never have it |
| 20:47.43 | JeffM2501 | not unless management changes |
| 20:47.44 | brlcad | JeffM2501: actually, I know of many that differentiate with a vengence |
| 20:47.46 | Inferno285 | ok, a game like bzflag, only difference it has tilting |
| 20:47.49 | TD-Linux | how about the ability to climb meshes? |
| 20:47.55 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yeah but are they wierd :) |
| 20:47.58 | TD-Linux | I hate tilting |
| 20:48.00 | brlcad | at least many gov't codes are very specific about which standards are supported and which are not |
| 20:48.05 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 20:48.14 | JeffM2501 | I can see specs, or hardware that reqwuire it |
| 20:48.19 | JeffM2501 | I was meaning in the PC application world |
| 20:48.28 | JeffM2501 | for like desktop users |
| 20:48.28 | brlcad | i mean pc applications too :) |
| 20:48.36 | Inferno285 | TD-Linux, what do you mean by climbing specs? |
| 20:48.40 | brlcad | gov't writes a _lot_ of software ;) |
| 20:48.45 | JeffM2501 | that they do |
| 20:48.52 | Inferno285 | oops, *meshs* |
| 20:48.53 | brlcad | more than most people know about |
| 20:48.54 | JeffM2501 | also why it was a question :) |
| 20:54.43 | Tupone | DTRemenak: have you tried valgrinf recently on bzfs? |
| 20:54.58 | DTRemenak | Tupone: nope |
| 20:55.10 | Tupone | and valgrind ? :) |
| 20:55.11 | DTRemenak | last time I tried was just before 2.0.2 |
| 20:55.16 | DTRemenak | that too :) |
| 20:55.29 | brlcad | here we go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_programming_language#C99 |
| 20:56.26 | JeffM2501 | knew it was a 99 |
| 20:56.58 | brlcad | notably, //, long long, snprintf, 'inline', and stdint typedefs added in C99 |
| 20:57.02 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=56884 |
| 20:57.25 | DTRemenak | feel free to edit and add to it |
| 20:57.40 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 21:08.05 | Ice_Wewe | ~bryjen++ |
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| 21:15.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/SDLDisplay.cxx: add sanity checks for attempting to get/set non-positive window dimensions. trying to figure out why a call to SDL_SetVideoMode would crash |
| 21:16.06 | brlcad | ToughShooter: give that a try sometime |
| 21:18.23 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/ (SDLDisplay.cxx SDLDisplay.h): er, need to stash the defaultHeight/Width if they're going to be used |
| 21:19.16 | ToughShooter | brlcad: The crash only happens sporadically, I'm not able to trigger the crash at a certain time |
| 21:24.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/platform/SDLDisplay.cxx: set for no mode list case too |
| 21:24.30 | brlcad | ToughShooter: i understand that .. and hopefully with those changes it'll not happen again, but who knows |
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| 21:56.36 | ToughShooter | brlcad: What I was able to trigger was having radar go huge when trying to switch back to fullscreen: http://pastebin.com/409423 |
| 21:58.25 | ToughShooter | now it crashes again with sdl (after switching to observer mode) but still it's not looking like it would have sufficient debug information: http://pastebin.com/409425 |
| 22:00.08 | ToughShooter | The key factor to trigger the bug is playing a while (like 30 minutes) and then switching, not switching windowing modes before |
| 22:05.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak 07v2_0branch * 10bzflag/src/game/ServerList.cxx: merge list server notice display from HEAD |
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| 22:47.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Some messages are bad for bot start |
| 22:51.31 | dbh | hello, is anyone available for help? |
| 22:51.57 | brlcad | perhaps |
| 22:52.04 | Tupone | hmm, sure ? |
| 22:52.04 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/TODO: Suggestion for future bot join/leave from one session |
| 22:52.21 | brlcad | depends on the listener's patience usually |
| 22:52.25 | dbh | my problem is that shooting doesn't hit anyone, and my lagstats are wacky |
| 22:52.38 | dbh | started when I upgraded to Ubuntu Breezy |
| 22:52.42 | Tupone | 64 bit architecture? |
| 22:52.43 | DTRemenak | Tupone: bots are not going to stay client side hopefully. once shots are serverside it should not be hard to add some api functions to allow fake players on the server side. |
| 22:52.47 | dbh | yes |
| 22:53.03 | dbh | I compiled 2.0.4 |
| 22:53.59 | Tupone | DTRemenak: shots are not going to be server side in 2.2 IMHO |
| 22:54.30 | DTRemenak | Tupone: we shall see :) |
| 22:54.32 | Tupone | dbh: any compilation warning |
| 22:54.45 | dbh | no, no problems at all |
| 22:54.47 | DTRemenak | dbh: amd64? |
| 22:54.54 | dbh | yes, amd64 |
| 22:55.15 | Tupone | dbh: you cannot kill anyone, on any server? |
| 22:55.21 | dbh | correct |
| 22:55.39 | RPG_ | happens to me too, when i run FC4_64, i also have an amd64 |
| 22:55.42 | Tupone | hmm, I have tested amd64, and it works ok |
| 22:55.43 | RPG_ | on win32, it works fine |
| 22:55.56 | dbh | same here -- w2k works fine |
| 22:56.21 | brlcad | DTRemenak: I'd hope that we don't remove the client-side "bots" though .. they're great for client and especially network debugging |
| 22:56.26 | DTRemenak | Tupone: everyone who reports this problem has amd64. not everyone who has amd64 reports the problem. |
| 22:56.37 | Tupone | well, I use gentoo, and 64 bit kernel, and it appears that tank hit by me are dead |
| 22:56.48 | DTRemenak | brlcad: they are ugly and stupid :) |
| 22:57.04 | brlcad | sure are, don't make them any less useful as a dev resource ;) |
| 22:57.11 | DTRemenak | ugly referring to code, stupid referring to ai |
| 22:57.22 | RPG_ | trepan started some work on fixing the problem with the 64bit archs |
| 22:57.39 | brlcad | but they are a close approximation of N clients from your own subnet to the server |
| 22:58.11 | DTRemenak | brlcad: on the network side they use a ton of hacks |
| 22:58.33 | Tupone | :( brlcad, I'm changing that. They now relay message without hitting the server |
| 22:58.35 | brlcad | unless someone works on a means to run the client gui-less, that'd be a lost feature |
| 22:58.43 | Tupone | I changed actually |
| 22:58.51 | brlcad | hrmph |
| 22:58.52 | DTRemenak | see, more hacks even |
| 22:58.56 | brlcad | that's a real shame |
| 22:59.03 | brlcad | it really was useful |
| 22:59.04 | DTRemenak | brlcad: can't you run multiple clients? |
| 22:59.19 | DTRemenak | seems like a silly limitation if you can't |
| 22:59.25 | brlcad | 2 or 3 sure, but not 20-30 |
| 23:00.00 | Tupone | well, you still have enough load ... traffic is not exponential now, but still great |
| 23:00.11 | brlcad | plus the point is that they're gui-less clients |
| 23:00.25 | dbh | maybe it's just a matter of waiting for a new version then? |
| 23:00.27 | brlcad | which I suppose could be easily hacked |
| 23:00.41 | brlcad | dbh: nobody has an amd64 to debug the problem yet |
| 23:00.51 | dbh | oh |
| 23:00.52 | Tupone | dbh: have you some skill on debugging? |
| 23:01.04 | brlcad | and nobody with an amd64 and the problem has stepped up an offer to help debug remote |
| 23:01.10 | Tupone | brlcad: I have the amd64, but actually works |
| 23:01.22 | dbh | I would be happy to help if I can |
| 23:01.57 | DTRemenak | brlcad: what sort of testing is it useful to use client-side bots for? must say I haven't needed them except as cannon fodder. |
| 23:02.27 | dbh | but I can't say that I have debugging skills |
| 23:02.29 | Tupone | dbh: I think that if you go like win32, with a 32 bit kernel, linux will work |
| 23:03.05 | brlcad | DTRemenak, various sorts of network communication/protocol testing mostly, making sure no issues on small level and on scalability level |
| 23:03.36 | dbh | I guess I could do that, but I might as well just boot win2k to play bz then |
| 23:03.37 | brlcad | like when I did the distance-based packet culling .. I needed lots of players |
| 23:04.22 | DTRemenak | brlcad: yeah, but why not have the players on the server. if anything, it's more realistic from the client's point of view. |
| 23:04.23 | brlcad | dbh: if you can provide a remote shell, someone could at least compile-test to make sure there are no conversion warnings |
| 23:04.30 | Tupone | Try to rejoin us in a few days, and see what happen, can be is solved, or we need your machine to fix it |
| 23:04.48 | DTRemenak | could even simulate lag with a delay queue |
| 23:05.08 | brlcad | DTRemenak: i'm not saying not have them on the server, i'm saying having a means to simulate N clients locally was useful |
| 23:05.23 | dbh | I didn't get any warnings when compiling |
| 23:05.26 | brlcad | I can utilize a variety of network utilization programs and sniffers while testing |
| 23:05.34 | brlcad | which I did use quite a bit |
| 23:05.54 | DTRemenak | did they give you decent results as opposed to real clients? |
| 23:06.29 | brlcad | for all practical purposes they did -- most of the hacks are just so they would actually work in a non-gui environment or to share state with client |
| 23:06.42 | brlcad | again, probably not a huge loss, there may be easier ways around the problem |
| 23:06.46 | dbh | okay, I'll try back later, see if there's been any change. Thanks. |
| 23:06.57 | brlcad | like just adding an noguiautopilot option |
| 23:07.12 | brlcad | dbh: are you certain? turn on verbose |
| 23:07.33 | dbh | how to turn on verbose? |
| 23:07.53 | DTRemenak | brlcad: be fun to see things split enough that the autopilot logic could be used for multiple local players |
| 23:07.59 | brlcad | i can't imagine that there's not a conversion problem going on of some sort -- otherwise we need to drop into gdb to see why the client thinks it's missing |
| 23:08.39 | brlcad | dbh: I mean compile being sure that all warnings will be reported |
| 23:09.02 | brlcad | whether that's just -Wall -Wstrict or perhaps some others too that aren't enabled |
| 23:09.52 | dbh | okay, I'll try that |
| 23:09.53 | brlcad | DTRemenak: I agree .. goes back to the whole bzbots stuff |
| 23:09.59 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 23:10.36 | brlcad | i suppose we're not too far away from being able to do that relatively easily now, at least compared to how things were three years ago |
| 23:10.52 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 23:11.08 | Tupone | DTRemenak: can you update some of your server ? noone is on, and I want to test bots over the ocean :) |
| 23:11.10 | DTRemenak | need to be able to have multiple instances of some things, and a few other things need to be more abstract |
| 23:11.12 | DTRemenak | Tupone: sure |
| 23:11.35 | DTRemenak | Tupone: actually they're running 2.1, just from a couple days ago |
| 23:11.45 | Tupone | 2.1 is pretty old |
| 23:11.55 | Tupone | :) |
| 23:12.01 | DTRemenak | well 2.1.1 :) |
| 23:12.22 | DTRemenak | BZFlag server 2.1.1.20051026-DEVEL-dragonfly1.2.5 (protocol 0029) http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 23:12.28 | Tupone | BZFS0030 |
| 23:12.50 | DTRemenak | yup, they're rebuilding now |
| 23:12.55 | DTRemenak | you have been too busy ;) |
| 23:13.19 | Tupone | hehe, bot are broken in 2.0 too :( |
| 23:13.31 | DTRemenak | while you're at it, want to test on rabbit hunt? I'd like to make sure things work ok. |
| 23:13.47 | Tupone | ok :) with some bot |
| 23:13.50 | DTRemenak | sure |
| 23:13.57 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 23:14.02 | DTRemenak | test it all at once |
| 23:14.46 | DTRemenak | hm, it decided to rebuild everything. will be a little while. |
| 23:15.08 | brlcad | funny the things we work on sometimes |
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| 23:17.15 | brlcad | we can't click on a single menu in the game, yet one will adds autopiloting, another adds permission groups, and some other fool adds international language filtering |
| 23:17.40 | brlcad | good stuff |
| 23:17.45 | DTRemenak | can't click on menus because you need to be able to play with the menus in the foreground |
| 23:17.52 | DTRemenak | otherwise I would have coded that up a long time ago |
| 23:18.01 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:18.23 | brlcad | so let them continue to drive and shoot ;) |
| 23:18.28 | DTRemenak | yup :) |
| 23:18.37 | brlcad | but if they're over a menu element.. make the click shoot and select ;) |
| 23:18.42 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 23:18.46 | brlcad | seriously |
| 23:18.57 | brlcad | you could be selecting menus simultaneously |
| 23:19.10 | DTRemenak | then you'll be firing random shots when you want to save the world :) |
| 23:19.11 | brlcad | it'd be funny, but very very effective I think :) |
| 23:19.41 | DTRemenak | could add a modality key, so you hit it to toggle the input focus between the menus and the game ;) |
| 23:20.38 | brlcad | quasi-modal would be better, hold shift and menu becomes active until release |
| 23:20.56 | JeffM2501 | does that mean it has a hump and calls someone "master" ? |
| 23:21.17 | brlcad | it is master to your finger, yes :) |
| 23:21.32 | JeffM2501 | my finger bows to noone |
| 23:21.53 | brlcad | quasi-modal is the term for it in human interface design lingo ;) |
| 23:22.18 | Tupone | DTRemenak: have you some measurement of the network load for one of your server, when loaded. I like to see if I actually lessen the load or is just nothing :/ |
| 23:22.31 | DTRemenak | `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````brlcad: that's what they call it right before they tell you not to do it, right? :) |
| 23:22.39 | DTRemenak | whoops |
| 23:22.56 | brlcad | heh, actually the opposite |
| 23:22.56 | DTRemenak | Tupone: I have some mrtg stuff from a while ago |
| 23:23.00 | brlcad | quasi modes are great |
| 23:23.03 | brlcad | modes are bad |
| 23:23.10 | DTRemenak | right... |
| 23:23.13 | brlcad | modalities are the root of many evils |
| 23:23.13 | DTRemenak | why? |
| 23:23.23 | JeffM2501 | like context senstive mdoes? |
| 23:23.28 | DTRemenak | I mean, why are quasimodes good? |
| 23:23.34 | brlcad | there are many reasons, but the basic ideas focus around your locus of attention |
| 23:23.43 | DTRemenak | seems to me that if everything changes when you hold down shift it's a bad thing |
| 23:23.59 | DTRemenak | specially if you don't know that you need to hold down shift |
| 23:24.11 | brlcad | the invoke modality errors when you're in a mode and attempt to perform operations not in that mode |
| 23:24.22 | brlcad | not to mention the usual hidden means to get in and out of modes |
| 23:24.44 | DTRemenak | right, so what makes quasi-modes good again? |
| 23:24.49 | brlcad | sure, but holding down the shift and pressing some random key have the same problem |
| 23:24.49 | Tupone | you could highligh the item when you hold the shift down |
| 23:25.00 | JeffM2501 | you could use the mouse and click on stuff :) |
| 23:25.27 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: at what cost? |
| 23:25.32 | JeffM2501 | at all costs! |
| 23:25.33 | brlcad | quasi modes require you to actively engage in effectively a superstate that only exists until you release |
| 23:25.38 | JeffM2501 | you'd need focus tho |
| 23:25.58 | JeffM2501 | you know me, I reak of windows |
| 23:25.59 | brlcad | there's very little room for error if done correctly |
| 23:26.02 | JeffM2501 | so I had to say it :) |
| 23:26.10 | DTRemenak | brlcad: I dunno about you, but I can forget I'm holding down a key just as easily as I can forget I pushed a key a half second ago :) |
| 23:27.23 | brlcad | that's the point, you're not supposed to stay in a quasi mode for longer than a single event |
| 23:27.45 | brlcad | s/event/action/ |
| 23:28.32 | brlcad | the whole idea is to minimize modes, because those are proven to be rather error prone and wasteful |
| 23:29.17 | brlcad | quasimodes, while still having limitations is one of several means to minimize modes by allowing them for very short windows of opportunity |
| 23:29.26 | brlcad | that require active effort to sustain |
| 23:29.56 | brlcad | there are several excellent books on the topic ;) |
| 23:30.17 | brlcad | and dare I say none on "modes are great, lets use them more" :) |
| 23:32.32 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 23:32.46 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:32.56 | DTRemenak | that would be why I cracked a joke about them... ;) |
| 23:37.29 | Tupone | slowly compiling ? |
| 23:38.38 | gsnedders | g'night |
| 23:38.59 | DTRemenak | Making install in bzadmin |
| 23:39.00 | DTRemenak | In file included from ../../src/bzflag/ControlPanel.h:29, |
| 23:39.02 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.03 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.05 | DTRemenak | ../../include/bzfgl.h:23: GL/gl.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:40.31 | Tupone | ControlPanel ? :( need to filter with the same ifdebug |
| 23:40.46 | Tupone | I mean ifdef BUILD_BZADMIN |
| 23:41.02 | Tupone | or actually #ifndef |
| 23:43.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerLink.cxx: protect playing.h by BUILDING_BZADMIN |
| 23:45.41 | DTRemenak | k, servers should be running on bzfs0030 |
| 23:48.32 | DTRemenak | too many? |
| 23:52.16 | Tupone | this team is full ?? |
| 23:52.55 | DTRemenak | huh? |
| 23:53.06 | Tupone | cannot join |
| 23:53.27 | DTRemenak | yup, that is what it says |
| 23:53.56 | Tupone | could you restart it? |
| 23:54.11 | DTRemenak | would like to know why it thinks the team is full |
| 23:54.41 | brlcad | for the initiated, here's a set of lecture notes that are an excellent summarization of most of the issues in interface design .. http://bzflag.bz/lectures/mit.edu-6.831-UI_Design_And_Implementation/ |
| 23:55.05 | Tupone | :( perhaps the new team does not work good with autoteam |
| 23:55.31 | DTRemenak | Tupone: could be. I noticed the last time you joined your robots were rogue, which confused me. |
| 23:55.34 | brlcad | L5.pdf in particular talks about perception and memory issues, though issues of modality are throughout the lectures |
| 23:57.26 | DTRemenak | Tupone: your bots were removed via ECONNRESET/EPIPE |
| 23:59.39 | DTRemenak | k, restarted |
