| 00:09.10 | JeffM2501 | ohh the libcurl security flaw dosnt' affect us at all..., we don't do NTLM |
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| 00:28.01 | jomojo | was it only silvercat that showed slot numbers when checking lag? |
| 00:28.08 | jomojo | that was actually quite handy |
| 00:29.44 | blast007 | think if you have certain permissions (maybe for the player list command?) it will show those |
| 00:30.15 | jomojo | right it will.. but on silvercat until we updated we had it too show lag with slot numbers to admins |
| 00:30.34 | jomojo | i thought it was in the cvs.. but maybe one of the other owners patches |
| 00:33.48 | blast007 | I was thinking it was in CVS, but maybe not |
| 00:34.38 | JeffM2501 | if you got code for it, you can call it |
| 00:34.51 | blast007 | it shows on the scoreboard though |
| 00:35.58 | wizatcomputer | my inital idea was to write a plugin for bzfs that dumped the score to a file when the score changes |
| 00:36.08 | wizatcomputer | and then just read that file into lcd smartie every 5 seconds or so |
| 00:36.21 | wizatcomputer | and for now that still seems like the simpelest idea |
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| 01:16.22 | RPG_ | hola! |
| 01:16.27 | SilentSwan | hey |
| 01:17.08 | RPG_ | that word has much more effect when you put the upside down exclamation point before it |
| 01:17.54 | RPG_ | ¡hola! |
| 01:19.57 | menotume | Ladies and Gentlemen: IU have had reports from 4 windows users of random infrequest crashes in 2.0.4 |
| 01:20.13 | menotume | 2.0.2 was fine, but 2.0.4 crashes |
| 01:20.38 | RPG_ | mennh, i use CVS from 10-2 |
| 01:20.53 | RPG_ | WinXP, once again, goodness all around |
| 01:21.06 | RPG_ | my system doesn't crash for some reason |
| 01:21.26 | menotume | the best info I have so far is that it crashes on average once every 1-2 hours of play |
| 01:21.38 | RPG_ | i can't testify to that |
| 01:21.47 | RPG_ | if i did i'd debug it |
| 01:21.51 | menotume | well, i need to get more info, just a heads up |
| 01:21.58 | RPG_ | ok |
| 01:22.10 | menotume | i have known of one user who had the problem since 2.0.3b17 |
| 01:22.17 | menotume | but, today, i heard from 3 others |
| 01:22.20 | RPG_ | who? |
| 01:22.27 | menotume | QuantumDot |
| 01:22.39 | menotume | and now BlueEyes, Genzo |
| 01:22.42 | menotume | and someone else |
| 01:23.02 | menotume | they are all downgrading to 2.0.2 |
| 01:23.44 | menotume | they say the 'screen freezes', but the cursor still moves |
| 01:23.54 | menotume | only recourse is reboot |
| 01:24.24 | RPG_ | do they all have the same cards? |
| 01:24.25 | RPG_ | vid. cards |
| 01:24.29 | menotume | no idea |
| 01:24.39 | menotume | i am trying to get more info |
| 01:26.33 | blast007 | I've had that happen too, but I haven't yet had time to debug it |
| 01:27.17 | blast007 | Windows XP, nVidia GeForce FX 5200 PCI |
| 01:27.37 | blast007 | and an end task fixes it, but the app seems to be inf. looping, so it takes a bit to appear |
| 01:28.09 | DTRemenak | blast007: replicable at all? |
| 01:28.09 | menotume | ahhh |
| 01:28.36 | menotume | from what i have heard, it is quite random |
| 01:29.01 | DTRemenak | yeah, me too. but blast007 sometimes notices things that other people don't :) |
| 01:29.14 | menotume | :) |
| 01:29.15 | blast007 | might be related to jumping on meshes |
| 01:29.24 | menotume | yes, it is hasrd to get info from some of them |
| 01:29.28 | menotume | nope |
| 01:29.36 | menotume | this is on DUB |
| 01:29.40 | blast007 | ah, ok |
| 01:29.41 | menotume | plain map, no jumping |
| 01:29.58 | blast007 | I had it happen a lot on that hills map w/ no radar |
| 01:30.02 | DTRemenak | any of them on linux? |
| 01:30.10 | menotume | all windows users |
| 01:30.18 | DTRemenak | dang. that's what I feared :( |
| 01:30.19 | trepan | amd64 linux users are complaining about not being able to shoot other tanks ;) |
| 01:30.30 | DTRemenak | trepan: aw, that's just a minor problem ;) |
| 01:30.36 | menotume | a lot of people are complaining about that :) |
| 01:30.36 | trepan | another packing prob? would like to watch 'em |
| 01:31.13 | RPG_ | ...so it wasn't my video card the time when I couldn't kill anyone! |
| 01:31.31 | menotume | are we in 'bug-fix only' mode ? |
| 01:31.40 | RPG_ | I was on FC4_64, and I thought the vid. card driver was bad because nobody would die when i got them |
| 01:31.45 | menotume | i've been contemplating moving HTF mode into bzfs |
| 01:32.01 | trepan | menotume: protocol breaking? |
| 01:32.06 | menotume | no |
| 01:32.30 | menotume | though, i'm not sure yet. |
| 01:32.49 | menotume | if i can't manipulate the 'real' scoreboard, it's not worth moving it out of the plugin yet. |
| 01:33.05 | trepan | twas what i was thinking |
| 01:33.15 | menotume | yeah, i haven't looked at it yet |
| 01:38.02 | trepan | RPG_: can you join a server from your FC4_64 client? |
| 01:38.09 | RPG_ | yes |
| 01:38.23 | RPG_ | but my FPS turned into about 5, and I could get killed, but I couldn't kill anyone |
| 01:38.39 | RPG_ | and Aribeth reported that I was in an [nr] bubble |
| 01:38.43 | trepan | trepan.homelinux.net:5154 |
| 01:38.49 | RPG_ | oh i'm not on 'nix now |
| 01:38.57 | Aribeth | huhhh? |
| 01:39.12 | Aribeth | ohhhh, ya |
| 01:39.16 | DTRemenak | ~wakeup aribeth |
| 01:39.17 | ibot | ACTION silently aproaches aribeth, who's sleeping (zZzZZZzzZZ, Ronc !!! ronc!), gets off his pants and shoots a noisy fart ... PUBFBFBFBBBFFF!!! |
| 01:39.27 | DTRemenak | hrm |
| 01:39.34 | DTRemenak | that was rather more rude than I expected it to be |
| 01:39.48 | Aribeth | thunk! |
| 01:39.59 | RPG_ | ~sleep aribeth |
| 01:40.01 | ibot | ACTION sends aribeth to bed without supper |
| 01:40.01 | DTRemenak | don't you mean... erogy95tvtg nue9rerso |
| 01:40.14 | Aribeth | awwww |
| 01:43.52 | SilentSwan | http://www.subvariance.com/ |
| 01:44.00 | SilentSwan | Note the "Recently Added" images |
| 01:44.18 | SilentSwan | or rather: http://www.subvariance.com/?gallery=SilentSwan |
| 01:45.54 | trepan | SilentSwan: http://www.deviantart.com/ , a decent site |
| 01:46.01 | SilentSwan | ah yes |
| 01:46.27 | blast007 | SilentSwan: very nice photos :) |
| 01:46.33 | SilentSwan | thank you |
| 01:46.56 | SilentSwan | :) |
| 01:47.03 | SilentSwan | mmm... tarts |
| 01:47.19 | SilentSwan | the edible variety, that is |
| 01:47.26 | SilentSwan | i'll leave it to the reader to determine which is which |
| 01:47.44 | trepan | DTRemenak: lexer need a tune-up? |
| 01:48.03 | DTRemenak | trepan: it's a bit greedy :) |
| 01:48.26 | jomojo | i thought non anonymous say was finally gone.. oy.. what a pain just built |
| 01:48.39 | trepan | DTRemenak: or are ya hungry? |
| 01:49.24 | DTRemenak | trepan: that too :) |
| 01:54.24 | I_Died_Once | Gah!!! |
| 01:54.35 | SilentSwan | ugh, had to go back and put all the copyright info in... |
| 01:54.46 | I_Died_Once | You people changed the /say in CVS again and made it no longer anonymous |
| 01:54.48 | SilentSwan | and i should watermark the images with it... *sigh* |
| 01:55.28 | I_Died_Once | what line should I seek out and // comment out to make it no longer anonymous |
| 01:55.38 | I_Died_Once | nor to MAKE it anonymous again, rather |
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| 01:57.34 | SilentSwan | hiya JeffM2501 |
| 01:57.46 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 01:57.50 | RPG_ | I think anonymous should be default |
| 01:57.55 | SilentSwan | ok, so... what's the 2501 for? |
| 01:57.59 | I_Died_Once | thank you RPG |
| 01:58.06 | I_Died_Once | thats his top score on Pole Position |
| 01:58.12 | SilentSwan | oh .. oh my |
| 01:58.38 | JeffM2501 | it's from GITS |
| 01:59.22 | I_Died_Once | Jeff - since you changed it - what line on what file do I have to edit out to make /say be anonymous again? |
| 01:59.34 | I_Died_Once | (you as in you developers) |
| 02:00.21 | trepan | you = me in this case |
| 02:00.26 | JeffM2501 | isn't it server side? |
| 02:00.39 | I_Died_Once | ok - trepan - what line of what file do I change....... |
| 02:00.55 | RPG_ | it is server side |
| 02:00.58 | RPG_ | it's one line too |
| 02:00.59 | I_Died_Once | I know |
| 02:01.05 | JeffM2501 | cvs history is your friend |
| 02:01.07 | RPG_ | i'm just too lazy to check |
| 02:01.18 | RPG_ | it's in commands.cxx under the BZFS source |
| 02:01.22 | I_Died_Once | I'm not on the CVS commital list |
| 02:01.22 | RPG_ | i know that offhand |
| 02:01.28 | I_Died_Once | yeah, thats the file |
| 02:01.32 | JeffM2501 | you dopn't have to be |
| 02:01.34 | I_Died_Once | unless they changed that, tooo |
| 02:01.34 | JeffM2501 | it's on the web |
| 02:02.31 | I_Died_Once | I'm sure it was posted on USENET eleven years ago, and is in the back of Chinese magazines the world over - but if anyone has this info offhand, that would be great |
| 02:02.39 | JeffM2501 | umm no |
| 02:03.00 | JeffM2501 | you do know how to browse cvs right |
| 02:03.06 | JeffM2501 | on sf |
| 02:03.10 | I_Died_Once | no |
| 02:03.16 | JeffM2501 | www.bzflag.org |
| 02:03.20 | I_Died_Once | I just update my machine |
| 02:03.24 | JeffM2501 | browse cvs link |
| 02:03.42 | JeffM2501 | go to bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx |
| 02:03.46 | JeffM2501 | and you can see all the changes |
| 02:03.50 | DTRemenak | grep -n 'anonymous' src/bzfs/commands.cxx |
| 02:03.52 | JeffM2501 | as a nice list |
| 02:03.58 | JeffM2501 | or do that |
| 02:04.00 | I_Died_Once | ty DTR |
| 02:04.13 | I_Died_Once | that was mighty white of ya |
| 02:04.35 | DTRemenak | I believe there's a comment in there about "no anonymous say's" or something |
| 02:05.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah takes a college student to tell ya to search ;) |
| 02:05.18 | DTRemenak | I knew what to search for :) |
| 02:05.35 | I_Died_Once | and i didn't |
| 02:06.09 | I_Died_Once | when i edit it, will i need to run autogen again, or configure, or just make? |
| 02:06.17 | JeffM2501 | just make |
| 02:06.23 | I_Died_Once | cool |
| 02:13.51 | RPG_ | I_Died_Once: is hurricane Wilma comng to you? |
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| 02:25.41 | brlcad | I_Died_Once: heh, you'd think that if he changed it to be that way, that would be his preference that it shouldn't be anonymous and that he'd be inclined to not tell/help you ;) |
| 02:26.59 | silverfox | Any ideas why http://silvercat.tybox.net/mapwiki.bzw is causing gripes about " base was not defined for Blue Team" |
| 02:27.16 | silverfox | The -mp line is -mp 0,15,15,0,0,10 |
| 02:27.17 | silverfox | which doesn't have any players for the blue team... |
| 02:28.18 | trepan | silverfox: have another -mp somewhere? (in a conf file perhaps?) |
| 02:28.27 | trepan | that map works fine here |
| 02:30.36 | silverfox | hmm...2.0.5 doesn't seem to like the "name" line in the base blocks. |
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| 02:30.41 | silverfox | remove it, and it loads ok. |
| 02:31.26 | silverfox | well, nevermind I guess. I dont know why I can look at something for 20 minutes, and the second I ask someone else it becomes apparenrt to me. |
| 02:34.33 | silverfox | well, wikimap is back up. |
| 02:34.40 | trepan | silverfox: so the the 'name Base' lines were causing your prob? |
| 02:34.49 | jomojo | really |
| 02:34.54 | silverfox | yup. |
| 02:34.56 | jomojo | that's just annoying |
| 02:35.00 | trepan | which os? |
| 02:35.01 | silverfox | why? |
| 02:35.05 | silverfox | linux. |
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| 02:35.42 | silverfox | I changed the file permissions so you can edit the map and the webserver can too (when you edited the map, it changed the owner apparently) |
| 02:35.53 | silverfox | and I removed the "name" from the base blocks, which seemed to load it. |
| 02:36.00 | trepan | they caused no problem here... very odd |
| 02:36.17 | silverfox | trepan, Monday nights CVS. |
| 02:36.43 | silverfox | jomojo, also set the cgi page to display 50 lines of bzfs stdout so you can see why the map failed if something is wrong with it. |
| 02:37.14 | jomojo | hmm |
| 02:37.20 | JeffM2502 | man I hate it when peer resets me |
| 02:37.24 | jomojo | that's just annoying silverfox |
| 02:37.48 | silverfox | If I could figure out how to do errorlevels in bash, I'd make the run script for 5151 to revert the mapfile if bzfs doesn't start correctly. |
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| 02:39.38 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 02:39.48 | I_Died_Once | ok, that shouldnt happen again |
| 02:40.09 | silverfox | how is CVS looking right now? |
| 02:40.19 | brlcad | like source code |
| 02:40.22 | I_Died_Once | I had a loose power cord half hung out of the wall to my surge protector |
| 02:40.39 | silverfox | heh... No major breaks or undone stuff? |
| 02:41.13 | I_Died_Once | it all appears to be working fine |
| 02:41.23 | I_Died_Once | I just updated Planet MoFo about ten minutes ago |
| 02:41.40 | I_Died_Once | woot |
| 02:41.42 | brlcad | silverfox: I could break something if it'll make you feel better, I'm good at that |
| 02:42.08 | JeffM2501 | ohh ooooh I wana break something too |
| 02:42.15 | silverfox | heh |
| 02:44.53 | trepan | silverfox: true; if [ $? = 0 ]; then echo true; else echo false; fi |
| 02:44.58 | trepan | or: if `command`; then echo true; else echo false; fi |
| 02:45.21 | trepan | or: if $(command); then echo true; else echo false; fi ... take your pick |
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| 02:54.28 | orange | this place just gets weirder and weirder |
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| 03:07.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Show slot numbers in lagstats (only if admin). |
| 03:09.24 | orange | ~menotume++ |
| 03:09.34 | menotume | awwww :) |
| 03:09.38 | menotume | orange++ |
| 03:09.53 | menotume | ooops, forgot Changelog |
| 03:11.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Changelog |
| 03:12.18 | brlcad | brillian commit message :P |
| 03:12.44 | menotume | i learn from yous guys |
| 03:12.58 | DTRemenak | you learn well :) |
| 03:13.00 | brlcad | heh |
| 03:13.01 | menotume | hehe |
| 03:14.37 | brlcad | they tell a story |
| 03:14.48 | brlcad | and cause rsi |
| 03:15.45 | brlcad | with rocks and tossed into a river? |
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| 03:15.58 | DTRemenak | ooh that would have been exciting |
| 03:16.01 | DTRemenak | maybe next time :) |
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| 03:29.30 | silverfox | is plugin support released yet? |
| 03:29.40 | brlcad | silverfox: "released"? |
| 03:29.55 | brlcad | ./configure --enable-shared to get plugins |
| 03:30.09 | silverfox | I JUST recompiled... |
| 03:30.38 | brlcad | should be able to just ./configure --enable-shared again and make (without running make clean) |
| 03:30.39 | silverfox | is there a plugin repository yet? |
| 03:31.36 | silverfox | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/plugins/ ? |
| 03:32.40 | blast007 | some sample plugins come with the CVS checkout for the bzflag module, and there are plugins on the forum |
| 03:33.04 | brlcad | silverfox: yeah, that's some of them |
| 03:33.09 | menotume | crap, isAdmin only returns true for someone who enters the server password :( |
| 03:40.29 | menotume | orange: can you join bzflag.no-ip.com:5156 please |
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| 03:45.41 | brlcad | menotume: you wouldn't necessarily know if they are an admin otherwise, no? |
| 03:46.08 | brlcad | otherwise showAsAdmin() might be what you were looking for |
| 03:47.38 | brlcad | that will give true if they have ban perm or are admins unless if they have the hideadmin perm |
| 03:56.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: sorta his idea first even if mostly reimlemented by others (including the ubiquitous anonymous) |
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| 04:01.29 | dujavi_ | What is the cheapest way to get a free domain and host bzfs and a map on it? |
| 04:02.36 | brlcad | depends who you are |
| 04:02.40 | brlcad | and who you know |
| 04:03.00 | blast007 | you can get a dynamic DNS hostname for free from many places, to point to a host |
| 04:03.01 | brlcad | cheapest way is free of coruse |
| 04:03.26 | dujavi_ | But what if I don't have a server? |
| 04:03.40 | dujavi_ | ...or don't want to use my computer |
| 04:04.02 | dujavi_ | I am BTW most well known as zedi |
| 04:05.53 | silverfox | dujavi_, find a unix/linux shell that will allow you to do this. |
| 04:06.40 | silverfox | http://www.spry.com/dedicated-servers/ for instance. |
| 04:07.13 | silverfox | or maybe http://www.spry.com/linux-vps/ |
| 04:07.44 | dujavi_ | silverfox, what does find a unix/linux shell mean? (I'm not very familiar with linux) |
| 04:08.03 | brlcad | zedi, if you know several of the older ducati-style players that would be willing to vouch for you, I have a server that you could potentially use for said purpose |
| 04:08.18 | silverfox | someone that has a server you could rent basically. |
| 04:08.34 | dujavi_ | oh |
| 04:08.51 | brlcad | though not being familiar with linux/unix/bsd would definitely be an issue you'd have to work out too |
| 04:08.58 | silverfox | yep. |
| 04:09.31 | brlcad | s/zedi/dujavi_/ |
| 04:10.05 | dujavi_ | I know some linux |
| 04:10.24 | dujavi_ | what is the "s" |
| 04:11.34 | DTRemenak | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sed |
| 04:13.17 | dujavi_ | nice link DTRemenak |
| 04:13.50 | DTRemenak | in particular note that "The s stands for substitute; ...After the first slash is the regular expression to search for and after the second slash is the expression to replace it with. The substitute command (s///) is by far the most powerful and most commonly used sed command." |
| 04:14.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (Permissions.cxx Permissions.h commands.cxx): |
| 04:14.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: Make slot numbers show in lagstats for admins or anyone with ban/shortban |
| 04:14.15 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: permissions (like hideadmin logic). |
| 04:15.10 | menotume | brlcad: i was hoping there was an ISADMIN permiss |
| 04:18.31 | dujavi_ | thanks guys :), I'll see if I can use a free server |
| 04:18.34 | brlcad | s/DTRemenak/Informative/ |
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| 04:18.47 | brlcad | :) |
| 04:18.54 | dujavi_ | How can I change my name like that? |
| 04:19.26 | brlcad | menotume: doesn't exactly fit in with the permissions model .. you'd have a perm to becomeAdmin maybe |
| 04:20.01 | menotume | well, i could have added SHOWSLOTNUMSINLAGSTATS |
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| 04:20.29 | SpontaneousSpaz | ne1 there? |
| 04:20.43 | menotume | but, really, we should have had SHOWASADMIN for showing @ on scoreboard |
| 04:20.51 | Informative | dujavi_: http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/ircprimer.html |
| 04:21.42 | menotume | free server for hosting bzfs - good luck :) |
| 04:21.43 | dujavi_ | a "short" primer |
| 04:22.02 | menotume | ? |
| 04:22.09 | Informative | SHOWASADMIN :) |
| 04:22.30 | menotume | Sho Enough |
| 04:22.41 | Informative | like trepan said, I need to get my lexer fixed :) |
| 04:23.12 | orange | show a sad min |
| 04:23.17 | Informative | dujavi_: the whole thing is...well, informative...your particular question is answered at the top of section 2, iirc |
| 04:23.23 | menotume | lol |
| 04:23.39 | dujavi_ | ok |
| 04:24.25 | menotume | in any case, i added isPseudoAdmin() in AcessInfo :) |
| 04:25.42 | brlcad | ITSONLYCAPSINTHECONFIGFILE, inTheCodeItsNot |
| 04:25.58 | menotume | ILIKETOCONFUSEYOU |
| 04:28.08 | brlcad | menotume: ehm.. what about the hideAdmin permission? it's supposed to do just that |
| 04:28.48 | menotume | heh ? |
| 04:28.51 | Informative | looks like tocon makes capacitors, not fuses. |
| 04:29.04 | menotume | yes, but i wanted slot numbers to show even if hideadmin is active |
| 04:29.22 | Informative | brlcad: whether you are admin or are shown as an admin are two different things entirely |
| 04:29.38 | brlcad | so fix the code that displays slow numbers to do that :) |
| 04:29.45 | brlcad | s/slow/slot/ |
| 04:29.45 | menotume | right, showasadmin now uses isPseudoAdmin |
| 04:29.56 | menotume | huh ? |
| 04:30.04 | menotume | ~lart brlcad |
| 04:30.30 | brlcad | Informative: true, showing as admin is pretty much admins and "banners" |
| 04:30.50 | menotume | unless hideadmin permiss :) |
| 04:30.55 | brlcad | right |
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| 04:31.38 | brlcad | so the @ is based on showAsAdmin, and the slots are based on isAdmin |
| 04:31.45 | menotume | nope |
| 04:31.52 | brlcad | or isAdmin || showAsAdmin |
| 04:32.03 | Informative | isAdmin is only on if you've identified with /password |
| 04:32.08 | menotume | yes |
| 04:32.31 | menotume | i wanted banners to see slot numbers even if they are hideadmin :) |
| 04:32.55 | brlcad | hmm.. i don't recall isAdmin being only /password folk |
| 04:33.15 | menotume | <brlcad> menotume: you wouldn't necessarily know if they are an admin otherwise, no? |
| 04:33.49 | menotume | hehe, me too |
| 04:33.59 | brlcad | you said a password, not /password |
| 04:34.15 | menotume | <menotume> crap, isAdmin only returns true for someone who enters the server password :( |
| 04:35.12 | menotume | nvm, i think it's ok, really :) |
| 04:35.14 | brlcad | which was construed to be a password for the/a server which could be their bzbb pass :P |
| 04:35.19 | orange | like when my kids "duel" -- I hit you with my flaming nitro thunder shock -- nuh uh, I dodged it |
| 04:35.27 | orange | who can dodge a flaming nitro thunder shock? |
| 04:36.32 | brlcad | still, that sounds like there needs to be an isOperator along with isAdmin or something |
| 04:37.00 | menotume | ok, change the name of isPseudoAdmin() to isOperator |
| 04:37.17 | menotume | :P |
| 04:37.26 | brlcad | not really -- isOperator would be current isAdmin if it's only set on /password |
| 04:37.34 | brlcad | isAdmin would become a check for a ban permission |
| 04:38.03 | Informative | heh |
| 04:38.05 | menotume | would be good to have a ... oh, i dunno ... ISADMIN permiss ? |
| 04:38.29 | orange | how about something like getsAdminStuff() |
| 04:38.29 | Informative | heh |
| 04:38.42 | menotume | or, ShowAsAdmin and ShowSlotNums |
| 04:38.44 | brlcad | doSomethingUseful(); |
| 04:38.58 | menotume | I did, now it's your turn :p |
| 04:39.19 | Informative | hahaha |
| 04:40.33 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:42.56 | menotume | i guess the fun is over ... time to AFK for the night |
| 04:43.05 | brlcad | menotume: don't make sense as perms :) |
| 04:43.24 | brlcad | as far know? |
| 04:44.02 | unotmeu | makes as much sense as hideadmin, and ShowSLotNums makes perfect sense to me |
| 04:44.21 | unotmeu | oops, i'm afk |
| 04:45.11 | unotmeu | AhowAsAdmin gives more flexibility than just assuming a banner should be shown as admin IMO |
| 04:45.16 | brlcad | permissions are per player, so hideAdmin implies "hide my admin status" |
| 04:45.39 | brlcad | so showSlotNums is supposed to mean "show me slow numbers"? |
| 04:45.44 | unotmeu | likeswise for ShowAsAdmin, right ? |
| 04:45.52 | unotmeu | yes |
| 04:45.53 | brlcad | damn.. :) slot |
| 04:46.13 | orange | slow fingers |
| 04:46.14 | unotmeu | just like you have permission to get playerist, you have permission to get slot nums |
| 04:46.34 | unotmeu | this is going nowhere - i'm off :) |
| 04:46.44 | brlcad | perhaps, but it's a bit superfluous imo |
| 04:47.02 | brlcad | i.e. easily fixed as a general rule based on other perms |
| 04:47.42 | brlcad | there's no general benefit to show slot numbers to non admins |
| 04:48.23 | unotmeu | so, what is an admin ? |
| 04:48.34 | unotmeu | someone with ISADMIN permiss or ban permiss ? |
| 04:48.40 | brlcad | someone who can ban you |
| 04:49.00 | unotmeu | then, we're good :), good night :) |
| 04:49.42 | Informative | kick can use slot numbers too. should we not show them? |
| 04:50.35 | unotmeu | I'll add ShowSlotNUms tmorrow :) |
| 04:50.54 | Informative | just make sure it doesn't end up ShowSlowNums :) |
| 04:51.01 | unotmeu | :) |
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| 04:54.05 | orange | lots of folks who don't ban could need slot #'s |
| 04:54.28 | orange | /msg /sendhelp /kick /kill |
| 05:08.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (6 files): operators know the server password, admins can ban people |
| 05:08.48 | brlcad | unotmeu: there's something useful :) |
| 05:11.00 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: operators get the slots regardless of hide status |
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| 06:08.28 | silver[a] | ~seen trepan |
| 06:08.30 | ibot | trepan is currently on #bzflag (1d 12h 51m 28s). Has said a total of 80 messages. Is idling for 3h 23m 9s |
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| 08:02.58 | LePoulpe303 | Hi all |
| 08:03.24 | jpa- | hello |
| 08:03.45 | LePoulpe303 | how r u jpa- ? |
| 08:04.13 | jpa- | fine++ |
| 08:04.26 | LePoulpe303 | lol |
| 08:05.28 | LePoulpe303 | i'm about to launch version 0.3 of my BZManager software |
| 08:07.12 | LePoulpe303 | just need to check how to distribute properly python prog on linux |
| 08:09.01 | jpa- | distutils is nice |
| 08:09.09 | jpa- | very nice, both for developer and user |
| 08:09.54 | jpa- | ./Setup.py sdist and you get a nice tar.gz, with only the files you want in it, no temporaryfiles etc. that have ended in the directory |
| 08:10.15 | jpa- | and user just extracts tar.gz and sudo ./Setup.py install |
| 08:10.16 | LePoulpe303 | hmmm ok ; i only made setup.py for py2exe actually |
| 08:10.33 | jpa- | hmm.. shouldn't it work for everything? |
| 08:10.40 | LePoulpe303 | yeah |
| 08:10.45 | LePoulpe303 | but for me windows is easier |
| 08:10.55 | LePoulpe303 | windows version si ready since 3 weeks |
| 08:11.03 | jpa- | just do ./setup.py sdist and you should get tar.gz from it.. |
| 08:11.10 | LePoulpe303 | but i want to release both linux and win at the same time |
| 08:11.32 | jpa- | hum? |
| 08:11.58 | jpa- | you'll probably want to have two packages, windows users are not used to dealing with tar.gz |
| 08:12.12 | LePoulpe303 | yes i do |
| 08:12.17 | jpa- | and linux users will bite your nose off if you give a .exe to them :) |
| 08:12.39 | jpa- | i would think distutils can do a sdist on windows too |
| 08:12.50 | LePoulpe303 | do u think it's a good way to have both setup in setup.py (using os.platform() for conditional executions) ? |
| 08:13.20 | jpa- | hmm.. what is the big difference to occur in the setup.py? |
| 08:13.25 | jpa- | but i think, yes, it is possible |
| 08:14.35 | LePoulpe303 | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/*checkout*/pybzlauncher/pybzlauncher/sources/setup.py?content-type=text%2Fplain |
| 08:15.26 | LePoulpe303 | you see only a few things reported to windows |
| 08:16.06 | jpa- | but.. no |
| 08:16.12 | LePoulpe303 | :) |
| 08:16.13 | jpa- | i see no windows-specific things |
| 08:16.21 | jpa- | the setup() looks just fine |
| 08:16.24 | LePoulpe303 | import win32.com .... |
| 08:16.28 | LePoulpe303 | and import py2exe |
| 08:16.37 | jpa- | well, you can put them in try: |
| 08:16.55 | jpa- | the py2exe, i mean, win32com is already |
| 08:18.17 | LePoulpe303 | which linux distro do u use ? |
| 08:19.26 | jpa- | gentoo, ubuntu, debian |
| 08:32.51 | LePoulpe303 | you have bzflag installed on all of them ?? |
| 08:33.38 | jpa- | humm.. |
| 08:33.53 | jpa- | no, the debian is server, it might have some 1.10 installed though |
| 08:34.13 | LePoulpe303 | something strange is that bzflag binary and data are not in the same directories on ubuntu and debian for example |
| 08:34.38 | jpa- | well, it depends just how they are installed |
| 08:34.52 | jpa- | i think one can specify it on --configure |
| 08:34.59 | jpa- | aww, i mean ./configure |
| 08:35.23 | LePoulpe303 | hmmm ok |
| 08:35.38 | LePoulpe303 | not practical fo me :D |
| 08:35.52 | jpa- | humm |
| 08:38.03 | LePoulpe303 | once you have your tar.gz file with python, what is the usage ? let the user type himself his ' python <nameoftheprog.py> ? |
| 08:42.20 | jpa- | tar xzf program-1.1.tar.gz cd program-1.1 sudo ./setup.py install |
| 08:42.48 | LePoulpe303 | oops sory i did not explain well |
| 08:43.07 | LePoulpe303 | i mean : the user will have a directory with a bunch of .py files inside |
| 08:43.22 | jpa- | humm |
| 08:43.38 | LePoulpe303 | should i let him find the good one and type the correct python command ? |
| 08:43.45 | jpa- | python program.py could be good, unless you want to install system-wide |
| 08:45.07 | LePoulpe303 | ok |
| 08:45.15 | LePoulpe303 | sry to bother you with all those questions :) |
| 08:45.30 | LePoulpe303 | i'm noob in linux and python |
| 08:46.01 | LePoulpe303 | and i like to make things in a clean way ; respect traditions :) |
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| 09:59.36 | LePoulpe303 | i need a linux tester for my BZManager program ; any volunteer ? |
| 10:00.38 | LePoulpe303 | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pybzlauncher/ |
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| 10:04.16 | Pimpinella | LePoulpe303: downloaded |
| 10:04.20 | Pimpinella | what now? |
| 10:05.43 | LePoulpe303 | Pimpinella : it seems that my setup utility has'nt included all the requested files inside the archive ; but you can extract archive to a folder |
| 10:05.52 | LePoulpe303 | and try to run python BZManager.py |
| 10:07.01 | LePoulpe303 | crap |
| 10:07.01 | Pimpinella | there's no file "BZManager.py" within the archive i downloaded from sf |
| 10:07.19 | Pimpinella | double checked |
| 10:07.30 | LePoulpe303 | omg crapcrapcrap |
| 10:07.40 | LePoulpe303 | Rhaaaaaaaaaa |
| 10:07.59 | LePoulpe303 | *#$!? like bzflag says |
| 10:08.59 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 10:09.32 | LePoulpe303 | omg ; why things ALWAYS go wrong on linux ? |
| 10:09.52 | jpa- | :D |
| 10:09.57 | Pimpinella | works pretty fine here ;) |
| 10:10.04 | Pimpinella | linux at least |
| 10:10.11 | LePoulpe303 | stop laughing jpa- :) |
| 10:10.58 | LePoulpe303 | ok i remove sf release before receiving insulting emails |
| 10:11.14 | Pimpinella | but i'll probably try the inofficial DebianGNU/Solaris soon |
| 10:11.20 | Pimpinella | sounds interesting |
| 10:13.57 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : sdist random file selection is very impressive :D |
| 10:14.57 | jpa- | LePoulpe303: well, they have to be defined in the manifest.in or setup() :) |
| 10:15.11 | Pimpinella | LePoulpe303: you should also choose a license before you upload release |
| 10:15.37 | Pimpinella | bbl |
| 10:17.22 | LePoulpe303 | i choose a license ; a stupid program simply did not include it in the release :D |
| 10:18.12 | LePoulpe303 | jpa- : ok thanks i see the mistake |
| 10:27.18 | LePoulpe303 | i think it's good now |
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| 11:33.32 | LePoulpe303 | i have very different behaviour in piloting with mouse between windows and ubuntu ... can i change the ubuntu way ? when i'm moving in a direction it's like if during 75% of the mouse move was done at 50% turn speed and suddenly 25% remaining done at 100% of turn speed |
| 11:39.37 | trepan | 'man xset' might help |
| 11:48.32 | LePoulpe303 | ok i'll have alook at it thanks |
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| 11:56.52 | I_Died_Once | It looks like I am going to have to bribe DTRemenak to update the bzfscron plugin to current API |
| 11:57.40 | I_Died_Once | I wonder what his price is going to be |
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| 13:26.21 | menotume | hehe |
| 13:27.14 | BenUrban | -): |
| 13:27.33 | BenUrban | something like that ;) |
| 13:28.58 | menotume | brlcad: yes, those names make more sense. |
| 13:30.44 | brlcad | there are probably some places now that say isOperator() but what was really intended is isAdmin(), though I converted them to isOperator() if only to maintain the existing behavior for starters |
| 13:48.19 | menotume | though, i don't understand the change to lagstats in commands.cxx :) |
| 13:48.43 | menotume | isAdmin() is enough, don't need the '|| isOperator()' |
| 13:48.59 | menotume | doesn't hurt either |
| 13:50.11 | brlcad | perhaps, I think I confused isAdmin() with showAsAdmin() there |
| 13:50.24 | menotume | ahh |
| 13:50.37 | brlcad | not that it hurts, yeah |
| 13:51.08 | brlcad | unless some operator revokes his ability to ban ;) |
| 13:51.29 | brlcad | even then.. |
| 13:52.56 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: confused isAdmin() with showAsAdmin() |
| 13:53.10 | menotume | isAdmin already does '|| isOperator()' :) |
| 13:53.15 | menotume | lol |
| 13:53.20 | menotume | i didn't mean to chang eit |
| 13:53.41 | brlcad | nah, it was wrong/unnecessary |
| 13:55.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/Permissions.cxx: make isAdmin() use isOperator() |
| 13:55.40 | menotume | he's on a roll |
| 14:02.33 | brlcad | more like a wobble |
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| 14:48.52 | op5_1 | hi |
| 14:49.27 | op5_1 | i'm trying to build bzflag with dev-c++, but the download link for libCurl-devel is broken |
| 14:49.40 | op5_1 | http://ileague.xoopiter.com/downloads/curl-7.11.1-win32-nossl-devel.zip |
| 14:54.49 | op5_1 | nvm, found it curl-7.11.1-win32-nossl.zip |
| 14:54.54 | op5_1 | http://curl.haxx.se/download/ |
| 14:55.37 | op5_1 | perhaps the readme.devc++ should be updated |
| 14:56.19 | TheRedBaron | op5_1: perhaps this could help: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1901&highlight=devc |
| 14:56.31 | TheRedBaron | i'm no techie, Just trying to help. |
| 14:58.23 | op5_1 | it makes no mention of curl, but thanks |
| 14:58.59 | TheRedBaron | it was the thought that counted :) |
| 14:59.53 | op5_1 | heh |
| 15:00.08 | op5_1 | i can't seem to find a devel version wtih nossl :/ |
| 15:11.14 | ToughShooter | menotume: ping |
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| 16:57.40 | tea\tree | hola |
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| 16:59.55 | Tupone | ~dinfo bzflag |
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| 17:07.20 | Birdie | wow long time no see bunny |
| 17:08.13 | ibunny | :) hi Birdie |
| 17:08.32 | Birdie | your still not shot?:) |
| 17:08.44 | ibunny | ? |
| 17:10.59 | Tupone | ibunny: ciao :) |
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| 17:11.48 | bz1075 | Hello |
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| 17:14.31 | Birdie | hey bz1075 |
| 17:14.57 | bz1075 | Hi Birdie =p |
| 17:15.37 | bz1075 | How are ya? |
| 17:26.00 | Tupone | DTRemenak: here ? |
| 17:26.17 | DTRemenak | Tupone: where! |
| 17:26.23 | Tupone | :) |
| 17:26.32 | Tupone | devDriving .. you remember? |
| 17:26.52 | Tupone | Is a constant = false |
| 17:27.08 | Tupone | what is for ? |
| 17:27.46 | DTRemenak | I have no idea. I don't know what it does, I don't know if it works, and I certainly didn't test it :) |
| 17:27.56 | DTRemenak | ask trepan |
| 17:28.47 | Tupone | hmm, I just see yours name in a line. OK ... |
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| 17:31.06 | DTRemenak | Tupone: I moved it all. Didn't write it :) |
| 17:31.13 | Tupone | ok |
| 17:31.58 | Tupone | I saw 2 extern and no definition. is a const so it can work, but :/ dunno if that is correct. I'll move again :) |
| 17:32.19 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 17:32.22 | DTRemenak | brb |
| 17:45.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (7 files): extern out of playing.cxx |
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| 18:02.14 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): easier extern gone |
| 18:02.42 | CBG | atupone == a tupone? |
| 18:02.48 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:03.01 | JeffM2501 | or his actual name :) |
| 18:03.13 | CBG | :) Hi JeffM2501! |
| 18:03.16 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 18:04.04 | CBG | If my actual name was atupone, I think I wouldn't go by the name "tupone online". |
| 18:04.17 | CBG | Either use it properl or use something completely different. :) |
| 18:04.20 | JeffM2501 | there are initals involved |
| 18:04.27 | CBG | Ah... :) |
| 18:04.43 | CBG | I see. :) |
| 18:05.11 | Tupone | CBG: any problem with that ? |
| 18:05.19 | CBG | Tupone: none at all. :) |
| 18:05.21 | brlcad | if your actual name was atupone, I'd hope you'd actually be writing and commiting code instead of trying to figure out other peoples nicks ;) |
| 18:05.30 | CBG | brlcad: heh. ;) |
| 18:05.53 | Tupone | brlcad: ty :) |
| 18:06.01 | brlcad | Tupone: get back to work :) |
| 18:06.11 | CBG | oh man... :D |
| 18:07.01 | CBG | *cough* |
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| 18:14.21 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, you around? |
| 18:14.39 | CBG | He was 8 mins ago ;) |
| 18:15.05 | brlcad | yep |
| 18:15.07 | JeffM2501 | wondering if you can use nibs from C with carbon |
| 18:15.13 | JeffM2501 | if you have the time :) |
| 18:15.23 | JeffM2501 | "somone" told me there was issues with them |
| 18:15.24 | brlcad | you can |
| 18:15.31 | JeffM2501 | and it should work fine right? |
| 18:15.46 | brlcad | should being the imperative word |
| 18:15.56 | brlcad | i haven't heard of any problems |
| 18:16.07 | JeffM2501 | and what is the carbon term for a "dialog" |
| 18:16.10 | JeffM2501 | if I may ask |
| 18:16.16 | brlcad | the fundamental nib loader is a carbon call, so you should be fine |
| 18:16.35 | brlcad | not sure what it is in carbon, in cocoa it's a dialog |
| 18:16.55 | JeffM2501 | I have a sample that loads one up and is cool, binary spike seems to think he has to use objective C ( of withc he knows 0 ) |
| 18:17.04 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:17.07 | JeffM2501 | I'll keep reading |
| 18:17.08 | JeffM2501 | thanks |
| 18:17.13 | brlcad | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Reference/Carbon_Spec_Porting/Dialog_Manager.html |
| 18:17.18 | brlcad | it's still a dialog |
| 18:17.32 | JeffM2501 | trying to flesh out my cross plat editor framework on the OSX side a little more |
| 18:17.45 | JeffM2501 | k,I'll dig for some more samples |
| 18:18.02 | JeffM2501 | was trying to find a local store with the bool "learning carbon" but can't seem to see anyone who has it aroundhere |
| 18:18.11 | JeffM2501 | book ! bool :0 |
| 18:18.57 | JeffM2501 | while I aplaud binary's effort on his editor, he has a lot to learn about app design |
| 18:19.37 | CBG | You actually applaud him? ;) |
| 18:19.42 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:19.43 | JeffM2501 | I clap |
| 18:19.48 | JeffM2501 | and do a little dance |
| 18:19.52 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 18:19.54 | CBG | Ok ok... |
| 18:20.00 | CBG | Stop there. :P |
| 18:20.21 | ToughShooter | Hrm, why is binary spike using obj-c? |
| 18:20.38 | JeffM2501 | because he belives he can only use nibs with it |
| 18:20.43 | CBG | or rather: "Why is BinarySpike?". :) |
| 18:20.49 | JeffM2501 | he's got this wierd ObjC / C++ hybrid |
| 18:20.56 | ToughShooter | You don't have to use Obj-C for Cocoa ;) |
| 18:21.12 | CBG | Tell him that? ;) |
| 18:21.13 | JeffM2501 | that's what I'm tring to learn about |
| 18:21.27 | ToughShooter | There's stuff like http://pyobjc.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:21.29 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't like to listen to me, unless I show him the code |
| 18:21.51 | CBG | JeffM2501: I don't think he likes to listen... to anyone. |
| 18:21.56 | JeffM2501 | took me like 3 weeks to convince him that STL was ok |
| 18:22.00 | JeffM2501 | no he dosn't |
| 18:22.11 | CBG | has he got a logo for the "thing" yet? |
| 18:22.29 | JeffM2501 | first thing he made |
| 18:22.39 | CBG | I offered to make him one out of the kindness of my heart and he was a little rude in his responce... |
| 18:22.39 | JeffM2501 | he also said he "has basic rendering done" |
| 18:22.49 | JeffM2501 | when all he has is a context and badly drawn boxes |
| 18:22.55 | JeffM2501 | with no lights, normals, or textures |
| 18:23.02 | CBG | "I have loads of people who cant wait to do it... but, you can do one too, and I might use it if its any good"... |
| 18:23.04 | JeffM2501 | he dosn't even have a map reader |
| 18:23.12 | CBG | pfff.... |
| 18:23.17 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:23.20 | CBG | so, he has "not much" shall we say? |
| 18:23.23 | JeffM2501 | but he's slowly learning |
| 18:23.24 | JeffM2501 | he's a kid |
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| 18:23.32 | CBG | He acts like it too. |
| 18:23.39 | JeffM2501 | I belive this is his first multi-user project |
| 18:23.55 | CBG | multi-user? |
| 18:23.59 | Birdie | no guu? |
| 18:24.01 | JeffM2501 | more then one developer |
| 18:24.06 | CBG | ahha. :) |
| 18:24.11 | CBG | He has MACnus helping him? |
| 18:24.13 | JeffM2501 | myth has problems today, so guu will come and go |
| 18:24.14 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:24.24 | JeffM2501 | and he gave me commit access and I'm helping him as well |
| 18:24.30 | ToughShooter | Hehe, I remember how I did the multi-developer thing first time |
| 18:24.32 | CBG | Very kind of you. :) |
| 18:24.46 | JeffM2501 | I was paid to learn how to program |
| 18:24.51 | JeffM2501 | by the developers I work with |
| 18:24.59 | CBG | Well, it's alright for some... |
| 18:25.23 | CBG | Is VisualBasic much use to learn? |
| 18:25.24 | ToughShooter | It ended with extreme programming on different boxes and the changes have been incompatible to some degree |
| 18:25.25 | JeffM2501 | so I kinda started with multi-dev |
| 18:25.30 | JeffM2501 | vb is evil |
| 18:25.33 | CBG | (sorry to digress ...) |
| 18:25.35 | CBG | Really? |
| 18:25.35 | JeffM2501 | but decently simple |
| 18:25.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:25.48 | JeffM2501 | what do you need vb for? |
| 18:25.49 | CBG | I'm using it a little in Excel for macros. |
| 18:25.56 | JeffM2501 | that is VBA |
| 18:25.57 | CBG | (AS ICT Coursework) |
| 18:26.07 | JeffM2501 | aka VB + more evil |
| 18:26.39 | JeffM2501 | but no, it should not be hard to learn |
| 18:26.54 | CBG | Is it worth my while? |
| 18:27.15 | CBG | considering I've yet to learn PHP and C++... |
| 18:27.16 | JeffM2501 | if you plan on working with a lot of MS apps, it can be helpfull to know |
| 18:27.46 | CBG | Screw that then. ;) |
| 18:27.53 | JeffM2501 | if you want to write full blown apps in it, then I'd say it's not worth iut |
| 18:28.02 | JeffM2501 | for that ether do python or C# |
| 18:28.42 | CBG | Does C# mean "C with anything after it" or is it a separate language? |
| 18:28.52 | CBG | (if you'll pardon my ignorance) |
| 18:28.53 | JeffM2501 | it is a difrent langauge |
| 18:29.02 | JeffM2501 | pronounced C "sharp" |
| 18:29.08 | CBG | Okies. |
| 18:29.11 | JeffM2501 | it's like super java |
| 18:29.28 | CBG | and are all the C...'s completely different? |
| 18:29.31 | JeffM2501 | it was made by MS, but has a decent cross plat following |
| 18:29.36 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Is it possible to write a plugin that moves members of team which captured enemy's flag back to their bases without dropping points or let them loose the flag? |
| 18:29.38 | JeffM2501 | C++ is a superset of C |
| 18:29.55 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, I don't think you can move a flag yet |
| 18:30.05 | JeffM2501 | oh you mean move the players |
| 18:30.06 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 18:30.15 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to kill them |
| 18:30.21 | JeffM2501 | and that would affect score :( |
| 18:30.26 | ToughShooter | I mean changing the float positon in playerrecord |
| 18:30.31 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 18:30.41 | JeffM2501 | we don't have a message to send to a player that says " you are here now" |
| 18:30.48 | JeffM2501 | that the client will respect |
| 18:30.55 | JeffM2501 | all you can do is set there next spawn pos |
| 18:31.05 | ToughShooter | :( |
| 18:31.18 | JeffM2501 | CBG, basicly C was first, then C++ took C and added more stuff to it, so in C++ you still do basic C |
| 18:31.23 | trepan | ironically, you could probably move the flag |
| 18:31.34 | ToughShooter | It would be a smart way to replace those event driven shockwaves |
| 18:31.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah that would be easyer, just zap and repop the flag |
| 18:31.45 | ToughShooter | as these kill lots of innocent people |
| 18:31.55 | CBG | ok JeffM2501. I'm gonna learn PHP when I can, but where do I go after that? I'm interested in learning any programming, not just web. |
| 18:32.09 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, if we coudl have the server track and set exact position, we could do a LOT |
| 18:32.20 | JeffM2501 | php is a very specialised langauge |
| 18:32.30 | JeffM2501 | it's just for webwork |
| 18:32.38 | JeffM2501 | I'd recomend staring with python |
| 18:32.43 | JeffM2501 | so you don't get a lot of the php hangups |
| 18:32.45 | CBG | JeffM2501: I know. Web development is my main thing... :) |
| 18:32.54 | CBG | Oh, really? |
| 18:32.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:32.58 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I mean just move the green members to the green base for example, regardless of their current position |
| 18:33.02 | CBG | and go back to PHP much later...? |
| 18:33.11 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, no you can not do that now with out killing them |
| 18:33.22 | JeffM2501 | the plan is to make a message that will let you do that |
| 18:33.27 | JeffM2501 | but not till next proto break |
| 18:34.12 | JeffM2501 | we could also do that to move all teleporter logic server side too |
| 18:34.16 | JeffM2501 | just "voop" em :) |
| 18:36.22 | JeffM2501 | php is usefull for web apps, but it's just a language, best to learn a full language first, then use that knowledge to just learn the php specifics for webwork |
| 18:36.50 | iCBG | Okay, and you recommend Python as a full app language to learn first? |
| 18:37.19 | JeffM2501 | python is a good language to learn the concepts of programin in |
| 18:37.37 | iCBG | Well, thanks, dude. ;) |
| 18:37.43 | JeffM2501 | like just in general how to tell a computer how to do "stuff" |
| 18:37.52 | JeffM2501 | since you have to be very literal |
| 18:37.54 | iCBG | I'll put my PHP and C++ books to one side. heh. :) |
| 18:38.09 | iCBG | ok, cool... and its multi-platform...? |
| 18:38.14 | JeffM2501 | from python you shouold be able to go to php ( simpler ) or to C++ ( more complex ) |
| 18:38.16 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:38.25 | iCBG | Awesome. |
| 18:38.45 | JeffM2501 | heck some web apps use python backends even |
| 18:39.26 | CBG | cool. |
| 18:40.47 | JeffM2501 | I think I alot of schools are using python as the "intro" langauge |
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| 18:40.58 | JeffM2501 | I know a while ago many were using java |
| 18:40.59 | CBG | schools? you mean universties? |
| 18:41.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:41.12 | JeffM2501 | GF at the time had to take a java class |
| 18:41.17 | ToughShooter | heh, I had to learn Haskell for university :( |
| 18:41.18 | JeffM2501 | everyone at the school had to |
| 18:41.38 | JeffM2501 | seems common at the more techincal schools |
| 18:41.40 | ToughShooter | ...and Python and Java and Assembler |
| 18:41.53 | JeffM2501 | just so everyone gets the basics in programing |
| 18:41.58 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, what major? |
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| 18:42.32 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, do they make you learn a programing language there? |
| 18:42.42 | CBG | Hey DTRemenak :) |
| 18:42.47 | ToughShooter | Haskell with it's typesystem, python for operational semantic and parser verifying, Haskell was most important |
| 18:43.03 | CBG | never heard of Haskell. o.O |
| 18:43.03 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, what is your major tho? |
| 18:43.08 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: well, you gotta know a couple in order to do all the work :) |
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| 18:43.10 | DTRemenak | most courses are language-agnostic |
| 18:43.10 | JeffM2501 | haskell is a funciton langauge |
| 18:43.23 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Do you mean what I study? |
| 18:43.26 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, but do they make every student learn one, like a basics class |
| 18:43.30 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, yes |
| 18:43.37 | DTRemenak | CS1 uses Scheme |
| 18:43.42 | ToughShooter | computer science |
| 18:43.43 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, harvey mud made everyone take at least an intro to java class |
| 18:43.52 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, then it makes sense you learn more then one :) |
| 18:43.54 | DTRemenak | most majors require CS1 |
| 18:44.00 | JeffM2501 | GF was not a CS major |
| 18:44.08 | JeffM2501 | yet everyone had to take the java thing |
| 18:44.31 | DTRemenak | yeah. almost all students end up needing to take CS1, so they learn Scheme :) |
| 18:44.32 | ToughShooter | Java is basically easy :) |
| 18:44.35 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, did you have to take CS1? |
| 18:44.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah thats why they used java, easy to teach, easy to run |
| 18:44.54 | DTRemenak | nope. passed the (language-agnostic) challenge. |
| 18:44.58 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:45.52 | JeffM2501 | CBG is wondering what langauge to start with, I'm sujesting python for him, then he can ether go to php or c++ after he get the concepts of programing down in python |
| 18:46.04 | DTRemenak | he could try Scheme ;) |
| 18:46.12 | CBG | heh. |
| 18:46.13 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:46.19 | JeffM2501 | I've never even heard of it |
| 18:46.22 | DTRemenak | useless and ugly |
| 18:46.31 | CBG | I don't suppose any other languages are much like HTML or CSS? |
| 18:46.44 | DTRemenak | it's a variation on lisp |
| 18:46.56 | JeffM2501 | HTML isn't really a programing langauge |
| 18:46.59 | JeffM2501 | it's a markup langauge |
| 18:47.05 | JeffM2501 | it defines a document |
| 18:47.09 | JeffM2501 | not a flow of actions |
| 18:47.12 | JeffM2501 | or a computation |
| 18:47.17 | CBG | Ok. :) |
| 18:48.04 | JeffM2501 | lisp.... Lots of Incoprehensable Silly Parenthesis |
| 18:48.05 | ToughShooter | Prolog isn't really programming, too. You just state what you know and you'll automagically get the result |
| 18:48.14 | CBG | lol JeffM2501 |
| 18:48.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:48.15 | jpa- | python <3 |
| 18:48.29 | JeffM2501 | some of those descriptive languages are wierd |
| 18:48.36 | ToughShooter | AppleScript contains parts of lisp |
| 18:48.39 | jpa- | JeffM2501: for IE, html actually is a programming language :) |
| 18:48.42 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm sure they serve there functions |
| 18:48.51 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, that is an abomination |
| 18:48.58 | jpa- | JeffM2501: one can execute arbitrary commands sometimes :) |
| 18:49.00 | JeffM2501 | hypercard!!!! |
| 18:49.12 | CBG | jpa- IE actually know what HTML is now? :) |
| 18:49.20 | JeffM2501 | what ever happend to hypercard? |
| 18:49.48 | CBG | but seriously, does it support ANY CSS yet? :) |
| 18:49.49 | jpa- | i ate it |
| 18:49.59 | jpa- | very very yummy hypercards |
| 18:50.00 | ToughShooter | ~google supercard |
| 18:50.27 | CBG | hypercard vs. supercard..? |
| 18:50.51 | ToughShooter | I only know there is no more hypercard |
| 18:51.15 | JeffM2501 | I think it evolved |
| 18:51.20 | ToughShooter | and supercard claims to be 80% compatible http://www.supercard.us/HyperCard/ |
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| 18:51.28 | JeffM2501 | there she is |
| 18:51.36 | CBG | !roulette |
| 18:51.42 | JeffM2501 | disabled |
| 18:51.46 | CBG | Aww. :) |
| 18:51.58 | JeffM2501 | it's been disabled for like a year |
| 18:52.01 | CBG | I used to have fun with jbot and guu: ~say !roulette ... |
| 18:52.05 | ToughShooter | !version |
| 18:52.07 | Guu | ToughShooter: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.80.0pre2. The newest version available online is 0.83.1. |
| 18:52.12 | JeffM2501 | she hasn't been upgraded yet |
| 18:52.20 | ToughShooter | old lady ;) |
| 18:52.21 | CBG | JeffM2501: in every channel? o.O |
| 18:52.23 | JeffM2501 | she will probably move and upgrade that the same time |
| 18:52.33 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I removed the code from the bot |
| 18:52.56 | CBG | It was working sometime in the summer on #guleague. |
| 18:53.11 | CBG | no. #bzleague. :) |
| 18:53.44 | CBG | "orange" got a little upset having to get jbot back in there all the time. :) just a few months ago... :) |
| 18:54.08 | JeffM2501 | the command was abbused and caused the bot to lock up |
| 18:54.10 | JeffM2501 | so it was removed |
| 18:54.19 | JeffM2501 | and I'm gonna remove it again when I upgrade |
| 18:54.36 | CBG | Good idea. ;) |
| 18:55.40 | CBG | thanks all. cya more over the next 2 weeks. :) |
| 18:55.42 | CBG | bye :D |
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| 19:29.40 | bz5191 | anyone know the config.cfg command to auto identify when logging in? I can't find it with Google. |
| 19:30.07 | Tupone | bz5191: what version of bzflag ? |
| 19:30.34 | bz5191 | I'm running 2.0.4. |
| 19:31.11 | Tupone | no need to identify. register at http://bzbb.bzflag.org, the same name and password should be used while playing |
| 19:32.17 | ToughShooter | never try to /identify with the bzbb login, otherwise you would give your password to server owners |
| 19:32.45 | bz5191 | Hmmm. That's new to me. Okay. |
| 19:33.31 | ToughShooter | What's new? That the bzbb login is how people get identify? |
| 19:33.48 | ToughShooter | *identified |
| 19:34.30 | bz5191 | Yes. I was accustomed to typing /identify each time I play the game. Later I learned to do it automatically with a line in config.cfg. |
| 19:34.39 | bz5191 | Which I can no longer remember. |
| 19:35.13 | Tupone | bz5191: there was a way to identify with /identify. Now is deprecated in favour of a central login |
| 19:35.34 | bz5191 | Gotcha. Thanks. |
| 19:35.54 | bz5191 | Will my /registered password conflict with that central login? It is different. |
| 19:36.17 | TimRiker | you should just fill in your callsign and bzbb password in the bzflag join dialog now. |
| 19:36.32 | ToughShooter | most servers luckily don't allow to register locally nowadays |
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| 19:36.54 | TimRiker | bz5191: yes. you should use the bzbb one and not the /register one. have admins remove the /register one or just link it to the bzbb one. |
| 19:37.14 | bz5191 | Okay, thanks. |
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| 19:38.18 | TimRiker | with the bzbb one, your password is never sent to the game servers, so the operators won't know your password. it's only kept encrypted in the bzbb data. |
| 19:38.59 | ToughShooter | I said /identify will give away the password so he shouldn't use it :) |
| 19:39.55 | Pimpinella | TimRiker: but it's send clear text on any login to the listserver |
| 19:41.36 | TimRiker | Pimpinella: true... list server should support https and some libcurl's support it too. we should start moving to https for login/list server soon. |
| 19:42.26 | TimRiker | -list https://my.bzflag.org/db/ may work right now if you'd like to try it. |
| 19:43.23 | TimRiker | depends on how your copy of bzflag was built. |
| 19:43.29 | TimRiker | ~dinfo bzflag |
| 19:44.30 | TimRiker | woot! 2.0.4 is in debian unstable at last. |
| 19:51.57 | JeffM2501 | cool, time for 2.0.6 then |
| 19:52.18 | menotume | :) |
| 19:53.15 | menotume | TimRiker: there was a request to have a phpbb page that returns a plain-text list of members of a group |
| 19:53.51 | menotume | to work the same as groupcp.php now, but return list in plain-text |
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| 19:54.00 | menotume | same permissions. etc. |
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| 19:54.50 | menotume | TimRiker: ?? |
| 19:54.59 | Inferno | yo |
| 19:55.05 | menotume | I don't see any harm in it, do you ? |
| 19:55.12 | Inferno | nope |
| 19:56.47 | Inferno | can anyone help me, I'm working on my bot. |
| 19:57.14 | JeffM2501 | what do you need help with? |
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| 19:57.40 | Inferno | where can I find the bzflag protocol, especialy in the area of position messages |
| 19:57.57 | brlcad | it's in the source distro doc dir |
| 19:58.06 | PerfectBell | how do shadows work, anyone can explain? |
| 19:58.30 | brlcad | doc/guide/NetworkProtocol.xml |
| 19:58.31 | JeffM2501 | PerfectBell, in general or in bzflag? |
| 19:58.40 | menotume | hehe |
| 19:58.43 | PerfectBell | in general pleas .) |
| 19:58.45 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, how up to date is that |
| 19:58.53 | JeffM2501 | PerfectBell, www.gamasutra.com |
| 19:59.19 | PerfectBell | oh that one, ok thx |
| 19:59.37 | menotume | a shadow is caused by an object blocking the path of a main light source |
| 19:59.57 | Inferno | JeffM2501, did you edit me "Gallardo" post in the screenshots forum. My images are gone! |
| 19:59.57 | PerfectBell | menotume: that is obvious |
| 20:00.17 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, not that I recall |
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| 20:00.31 | Inferno | OMG, they are gone |
| 20:00.43 | menotume | LaydeeKilla ! |
| 20:00.43 | JeffM2501 | I see them |
| 20:00.47 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, are you loged in? |
| 20:00.57 | Inferno | oh, no sry |
| 20:01.00 | JeffM2501 | *sigh* |
| 20:01.13 | lala | eyo :) |
| 20:01.24 | Inferno | I'm new to this stuff, but I just renembered my brother told me that afew days ago |
| 20:01.45 | JeffM2501 | PerfectBell, NeHe tutorials, http://nehe.gamedev.net/data/lessons/lesson.asp?lesson=27 |
| 20:02.04 | JeffM2501 | PerfectBell, use the power given you |
| 20:02.36 | PerfectBell | i remember sit has to do something with the stencil buffer |
| 20:02.47 | PerfectBell | hm but didi not managed to get it again |
| 20:02.52 | Inferno | PerfectBall, what are you planning on doing? |
| 20:02.56 | brlcad | JeffM2501: it's missing stuff, but not too far out of date |
| 20:03.02 | PerfectBell | a little game |
| 20:03.07 | brlcad | 95% correct |
| 20:03.11 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 20:04.27 | PerfectBell | i pretty more know how to to vaolumetric shadows than how to do the normal thing |
| 20:04.43 | JeffM2501 | stencel shadows aren't too bad |
| 20:05.00 | JeffM2501 | Inferno, how far have you goten since last time? |
| 20:05.03 | Inferno | what's the name of ya game? |
| 20:05.11 | Inferno | I got him to spawn :) |
| 20:05.16 | PerfectBell | want to see a pic ? |
| 20:05.17 | JeffM2501 | congrats |
| 20:06.52 | Inferno | I also made a perl programm that proxies between the server and client, there are alot of perams for the "00.1b" |
| 20:06.54 | JeffM2501 | some things never change |
| 20:07.08 | Inferno | that would be my current trouble |
| 20:13.54 | PerfectBell | http://www.cip.ifi.lmu.de/~edelstei/Available.gif |
| 20:14.04 | PerfectBell | a pic |
| 20:14.31 | JeffM2501 | rubber fetish much? |
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| 20:38.48 | TD-Linux | hehe... I'm chatting through VNC... running xchat on a different computer :P |
| 20:39.22 | *** part/#bzflag PerfectBell (n=thesippe@p549A778A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:40.55 | JeffM2501 | umm congratulations |
| 20:41.19 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (11 files): Removing includes && static-ing var and proc - part 1 |
| 20:43.25 | TD-Linux | it took me awhile to get it right :) |
| 20:46.33 | TD-Linux | bzflag dosen't run over vnc, not that I care, the vnc server runs bzflag at 1 fps anyway :P |
| 20:48.17 | Chestal | works in VNC for me |
| 20:49.32 | Chestal | 2fps, and the colors are wrong somehow |
| 20:49.46 | TD-Linux | probably because of the palette |
| 20:49.55 | TD-Linux | defaults in RealVNC to 64 colors |
| 20:50.03 | TD-Linux | you have to click Options to change it to full color |
| 20:50.20 | TD-Linux | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":1.0". |
| 20:50.20 | TD-Linux | Could not set Video Mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual. |
| 20:50.21 | TD-Linux | Error creating window - Exiting |
| 20:51.09 | Chestal | use vnc4server, it does glx |
| 20:51.20 | TD-Linux | is that the server? |
| 20:51.22 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 20:51.37 | TD-Linux | oh well... I don't want to run bzflag at 1 fps anyway ;) |
| 20:52.32 | Chestal | ah, much better |
| 20:52.54 | TD-Linux | what client do you use? realVNC isn't that great |
| 20:53.28 | Chestal | cool, 70fps (withotu textures) |
| 20:53.50 | TD-Linux | not bad for over a lan |
| 20:53.55 | Chestal | kinda futile to run bzflag in xvnc on localhost, though :-) |
| 20:54.15 | TimRiker | menotume: sounds useful. I have nothing against it. |
| 20:54.21 | TD-Linux | :P |
| 20:54.44 | TimRiker | menotume: should follow the same permissions though. don't want just anybody checking up on the koppa kids. ;-) |
| 20:55.09 | JeffM2501 | he has it where you have to be in the group to see the list |
| 20:55.22 | Chestal | TD-Linux: I think it's called vnc4, at least it is in Debian |
| 20:55.27 | JeffM2501 | it takes a logn and everything, same code that is used on the forums now, just difrent output |
| 20:55.43 | Chestal | TD-Linux: it's not the 'plain' VNC |
| 20:57.00 | TD-Linux | Chestal: that's good :) |
| 20:57.29 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: sounds useful. |
| 20:57.45 | JeffM2501 | tis |
| 21:09.01 | TD-Linux | ~logs |
| 21:09.03 | ibot | rumour has it, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 21:14.16 | menotume | TimRiker: ok, it does, and it's online :) |
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| 21:27.59 | SilentSwan | JeffM2501 are you here? |
| 21:31.18 | JeffM2501 | I am |
| 21:31.38 | SilentSwan | ah, you mentioned the other day a map editor for mac... what was the name of it again? |
| 21:31.50 | JeffM2501 | the one binary Spike is doing? |
| 21:31.54 | JeffM2501 | iBZEdit |
| 21:32.01 | JeffM2501 | it's nowhere near done tho |
| 21:32.10 | SilentSwan | it is on sourceforge? |
| 21:32.14 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:32.28 | JeffM2501 | it's basicly a kids project |
| 21:32.32 | SilentSwan | oh |
| 21:32.36 | JeffM2501 | there is a svn repositoyr |
| 21:32.42 | JeffM2501 | but it dosn't even read maps yet |
| 21:32.47 | SilentSwan | ah. nm then |
| 21:32.49 | SilentSwan | thanks |
| 21:33.05 | JeffM2501 | I've been looking into what I need to do to get mine working on the mac |
| 21:33.22 | SilentSwan | what other platforms does it currently work on? |
| 21:33.24 | JeffM2501 | since I am not sure he's going to acualy finish his, or have a godo interface |
| 21:34.17 | JeffM2501 | it has code for windows for all the features it has now ( just reading and writing maps ), mac stub code for bringing up a window, and total stubs for linux |
| 21:34.27 | JeffM2501 | it also is not near ready for real editing |
| 21:34.47 | JeffM2501 | the only thing that can edit stuff on the mac is pybzedit |
| 21:34.57 | JeffM2501 | and it's "interesting" |
| 21:35.06 | SilentSwan | hmm |
| 21:35.17 | JeffM2501 | the lack of editors across all plats is why I started my new one |
| 21:35.55 | JeffM2501 | for now what most mac users do is use a 3d modeler, like wings3d and make mesh maps |
| 21:36.05 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 21:36.11 | JeffM2501 | and just export them with the wings3d BZW plugin |
| 21:36.23 | SilentSwan | where might one find bzw plugin? |
| 21:36.23 | JeffM2501 | but then it dosn't support some of the advanced features |
| 21:36.26 | JeffM2501 | like teleporters |
| 21:36.31 | JeffM2501 | it's on bzbb |
| 21:36.34 | JeffM2501 | let me find the link |
| 21:36.36 | SilentSwan | they are easy enough to code in i suspect |
| 21:36.50 | JeffM2501 | TPs and links are not too bad |
| 21:37.04 | SilentSwan | was curious about bzlibc++... |
| 21:37.11 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3652 |
| 21:37.16 | JeffM2501 | bzlibc++? |
| 21:37.26 | SilentSwan | yeah. there's a sourceforge project for it |
| 21:37.33 | JeffM2501 | what's it do? |
| 21:37.33 | SilentSwan | http://bzlibcpp.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:37.49 | TD-Linux | I think HT uses it to make his maps |
| 21:38.00 | JeffM2501 | never heard of it before |
| 21:38.06 | TD-Linux | along with Thumper to create parts of the olympics |
| 21:38.27 | JeffM2501 | it is really a lib? |
| 21:38.40 | JeffM2501 | or a set of helper scripts |
| 21:38.54 | JeffM2501 | I know there are scrips out there that people use to help with maps |
| 21:38.59 | SilentSwan | i'm not sure why i'm looking into this anyway... i don't even play the game anymore heh |
| 21:39.20 | SilentSwan | sometimes, relieving boredom is helpful |
| 21:39.22 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, I haven't played in years |
| 21:39.31 | TD-Linux | I think you use it to make code that auto-generates maps... kind of like helper scripts, but you make them do what you want by writing in C++\ |
| 21:39.46 | brlcad | heh, a map editor that doesn't read maps? |
| 21:39.50 | TD-Linux | at least that's what HT told me |
| 21:39.51 | brlcad | does it create them? |
| 21:39.52 | SilentSwan | might be interesting to mess with |
| 21:40.20 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, ibzedit just has buttons to make boxes |
| 21:40.23 | TD-Linux | HT uses it to make cool maps, but with meshes, it might not be worth it anymore... hmm |
| 21:40.26 | JeffM2501 | no file IO at all :) |
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| 21:40.44 | SilentSwan | though i am quite curious about wings3d... |
| 21:40.54 | JeffM2501 | it's a decent little mesh editor |
| 21:40.56 | SilentSwan | i've just downloaded it recently though havn't done much with it yet |
| 21:40.56 | TD-Linux | wings3d.org |
| 21:41.00 | SilentSwan | i also have maya |
| 21:41.10 | TD-Linux | I've made nice povray scenes with wings3d |
| 21:41.16 | brlcad | JeffM2501: ahh |
| 21:41.19 | brlcad | so really is useless |
| 21:41.23 | JeffM2501 | there is a "modeltool" project that can convert obj files to bzq |
| 21:41.34 | TD-Linux | the wings plugin is nice |
| 21:41.34 | SilentSwan | modeltool.. ok. |
| 21:41.35 | JeffM2501 | so you can use maya or anything you want |
| 21:41.41 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, he is so very just starting out |
| 21:41.54 | SilentSwan | is this the wings plugin you're referring to? |
| 21:41.57 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I keep telling him to plan it out but he wn't listn |
| 21:42.04 | brlcad | i can at least read any bzw already |
| 21:42.05 | JeffM2501 | SilentSwan, no |
| 21:42.08 | JeffM2501 | there is another tool |
| 21:42.15 | JeffM2501 | called modeltool |
| 21:42.22 | JeffM2501 | a converter from "OBJ" format |
| 21:42.23 | JeffM2501 | to bzw |
| 21:42.29 | SilentSwan | ok |
| 21:42.31 | TD-Linux | whoever wrote the wings3D to bzw plugin, it's quite good - though I have never tried using modeltool |
| 21:42.32 | JeffM2501 | techincaly it reads quake3 maps too |
| 21:42.37 | JeffM2501 | trepan made it |
| 21:42.41 | JeffM2501 | he also helped on modeltool |
| 21:42.47 | SilentSwan | not on sourceforge either |
| 21:42.49 | brlcad | i should snarf your obj converter |
| 21:42.55 | JeffM2501 | modeltool is part of the bzflag source |
| 21:42.57 | JeffM2501 | in the tools dir |
| 21:43.06 | brlcad | where'd you spec obj from? |
| 21:43.16 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, I wrote a totaly new bzw parser |
| 21:43.21 | JeffM2501 | for the new editor |
| 21:43.21 | brlcad | i know, i remember it |
| 21:43.27 | JeffM2501 | when did you see it? |
| 21:43.28 | brlcad | or you mean not modeltool |
| 21:43.33 | JeffM2501 | I mean bzw parser |
| 21:43.36 | JeffM2501 | not obj parser |
| 21:43.45 | brlcad | ah, I mean your obj parser |
| 21:43.46 | JeffM2501 | as oposed to the crap one in bzedit |
| 21:43.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's a decent obj parser |
| 21:43.55 | JeffM2501 | not fast |
| 21:43.59 | JeffM2501 | but it seems to work well |
| 21:44.07 | TD-Linux | looks as modeltool has to be compiled yourself |
| 21:44.11 | JeffM2501 | trepan worked a lot on it tool |
| 21:44.12 | brlcad | what obj spec did you work off of for it? |
| 21:44.16 | JeffM2501 | yes you have to build model tool |
| 21:44.18 | brlcad | or do you just know the spec by heart ;) |
| 21:44.22 | JeffM2501 | there is a windows binary posted |
| 21:44.35 | TD-Linux | I'd rather compile it myself ;) |
| 21:44.35 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, found on on the net |
| 21:44.35 | brlcad | TD-Linux: you just cd to the dir and make |
| 21:44.45 | JeffM2501 | we did not support some of the more esoteric constructs |
| 21:44.47 | JeffM2501 | no nurbs |
| 21:44.57 | brlcad | JeffM2501: full obj support or just the aspects that bzw can represent? |
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| 21:45.01 | brlcad | ahh |
| 21:45.08 | JeffM2501 | mostly what bz can do |
| 21:45.16 | JeffM2501 | didn't make sense to shoot the load |
| 21:45.20 | JeffM2501 | when noone would realy use it |
| 21:45.39 | JeffM2501 | I'm rather happy with the new bzw parser |
| 21:45.48 | JeffM2501 | nativly supports groups and instances |
| 21:46.06 | brlcad | getting lod in was a pita |
| 21:46.06 | JeffM2501 | you have mesh support? |
| 21:46.09 | brlcad | yeah |
| 21:46.17 | JeffM2501 | hmm maybe I should steal yours :) |
| 21:46.18 | brlcad | that's core .. gotta have that |
| 21:46.35 | brlcad | otherwise they won't be able to have csg worlds |
| 21:46.49 | JeffM2501 | mine is just a framework thing, with arbitrary storage for any object |
| 21:46.51 | brlcad | muahaha |
| 21:46.55 | JeffM2501 | right now it's only using a couple objects |
| 21:47.03 | JeffM2501 | the rest are held as generics |
| 21:47.18 | JeffM2501 | the goal was to make something that would not loose data if it saw an object it didn't understand |
| 21:47.29 | JeffM2501 | unlike the existing bzedit one |
| 21:47.36 | JeffM2501 | man is that some crap code I made |
| 21:49.30 | JeffM2501 | looks like the lib is a world class |
| 21:49.54 | brlcad | learning lex/yacc has been fun, I'm very much sold |
| 21:50.07 | purple_cow | they're useful tools |
| 21:50.09 | brlcad | the parser can either warn or abort on errors |
| 21:50.30 | JeffM2501 | it's an api to make maps |
| 21:50.32 | JeffM2501 | that's it |
| 21:50.37 | JeffM2501 | you could easaly make an editor off it |
| 21:50.39 | brlcad | i've edited probably a half dozen lex/yacc codes over the years, but never a full parser from scratch until now |
| 21:51.02 | SilentSwan | nice quit msg :) |
| 21:51.13 | purple_cow | can't quite compare with pyparsing as far as elegance goes though ;) |
| 21:55.57 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (4 files): - #include + static |
| 22:01.31 | *** join/#bzflag Tegan (n=lyra@eacb02-00-cmmgga-70-34-176-23.atlaga.adelphia.net) |
| 22:03.59 | Tegan | in bzadmin, it says "*** '^A' joined the game...from..." using '^A' instead of their actual callsign |
| 22:04.17 | RPG_ | Tegan: what OS? |
| 22:04.21 | Tegan | linux |
| 22:04.32 | Tegan | a small change in BZAdminClient.cxx seems to fix it |
| 22:05.18 | *** part/#bzflag SilentSwan (n=silent@unaffiliated/silentswan) |
| 22:05.33 | RPG_ | If i wrote up a patch that changed the "/flag reset" default from "all" to "unused", would that be applied? |
| 22:05.51 | Tegan | good luck |
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| 22:06.03 | RPG_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.08 | RPG_ | i assume it'd be an easy fix |
| 22:06.15 | Tegan | it is |
| 22:07.45 | Pimpinella | RPG_: so you have to do "/flag resat all" to reset all flags now? |
| 22:08.16 | RPG_ | No, i'm saying if I wrote that patch, if it would ever get applied |
| 22:08.26 | Pimpinella | oh |
| 22:08.40 | Tegan | that wasn't my experience |
| 22:08.59 | Pimpinella | actually i think resetting all flags by default is intentional |
| 22:09.24 | Pimpinella | hm, intentional might be the wring word in english |
| 22:09.34 | Tegan | it works |
| 22:09.39 | orange | Pimpinella: the current behavior is inconsistent, as are lots of things in bzflag |
| 22:09.40 | Pimpinella | s/intentional/expected |
| 22:09.46 | Tegan | wring is the wrong word though :) |
| 22:10.34 | Pimpinella | orange: why is it inconsistent? |
| 22:11.15 | orange | it has lots of issues... if you make a typo in the word 'unused' it does all |
| 22:11.29 | orange | if you do '/flag reset unused' you get all (as trepan pointed out, I believe) |
| 22:11.50 | Pimpinella | probably reset should always require an argument |
| 22:12.04 | Pimpinella | or simply the argument must be known |
| 22:12.04 | orange | that's the plan... Tegan wrote such a patch, I believe |
| 22:12.28 | orange | /flag reset all |
| 22:12.31 | Pimpinella | pretty simple, whichever way |
| 22:12.33 | orange | or |
| 22:12.37 | orange | /flag reset unused |
| 22:12.45 | orange | and unrecognized params would be an error |
| 22:12.50 | orange | and do nothing, which is always nice :-) |
| 22:12.52 | Pimpinella | or /flag reset team |
| 22:13.04 | orange | yes, that'd be great... /flag reset red |
| 22:13.40 | RPG_ | too abuse prone though |
| 22:13.46 | Pimpinella | yep, that's be an improvement |
| 22:14.17 | Pimpinella | like many commands |
| 22:14.37 | orange | I think requiring that second argument makes it much more clean, regardless of what choices are available |
| 22:14.45 | Pimpinella | you won't grant it to everyone, no? |
| 22:14.48 | orange | if people are making that mistake (and they are) |
| 22:14.56 | orange | there's already a perm for it, right? |
| 22:15.02 | Tegan | Well, if anyone cares, changing "callsign" to "players[p].name" in BZAdminClient.cxx line 294 seems to fix the "'^A' joined the game" problem. |
| 22:15.06 | Pimpinella | it's only flagmod |
| 22:15.21 | Pimpinella | for all /flag * commands |
| 22:15.33 | orange | you could subperm it, I suppose, for specific things |
| 22:15.47 | Pimpinella | sure you could |
| 22:17.06 | Pimpinella | but flagmod could grant them all while flaglist flagreset [...] only grants facilities |
| 22:17.41 | RPG_ | as long as somebody documents it |
| 22:18.19 | RPG_ | the current perm system is more confusing than a maze to figure out. |
| 22:18.33 | Pimpinella | a good patch also includes documentation ;) |
| 22:18.40 | Pimpinella | it is? |
| 22:18.56 | Pimpinella | i think the manpage explains it pretty well |
| 22:20.18 | Pimpinella | anyway, too tired, to much beer, to much work tomorrow...time to find some sleep. nite tankers |
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| 22:29.49 | Tegan | to keep warm |
| 22:32.19 | RPG_ | i wish chatrooms had floors |
| 22:39.14 | RPG_ | how did it do that? |
| 22:39.33 | JeffM2501 | ibot kinda looks up to him :) |
| 22:40.37 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:41.11 | silverfox | material |
| 22:41.23 | silverfox | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.41 | silverfox | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:41.45 | silverfox | end |
| 22:42.06 | RPG_ | silverfox: 404 |
| 22:57.15 | JeffM2501 | why can't the munchkins understand that you can't just 'take fog away' from parts of the map |
| 22:58.21 | Erroneous | let the SUN shine through! |
| 22:58.29 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:58.38 | JeffM2501 | let the shaders ring then |
| 22:59.12 | JeffM2501 | tho I don't think that you'd want it to be optional then, as map makers may use it to make gameplay chalanges, and if a user just turns it off..... |
| 22:59.32 | JeffM2501 | in a way it could be considered cheating, as they arn't playing it the way the designer intended. |
| 23:00.29 | JeffM2501 | or just cheap it out on old cards, a gray box, and turn on distance fog as you are in it :) |
| 23:00.43 | JeffM2501 | thos that complain it looks bad, tell em to get new hardware :) |
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| 23:08.00 | bz7704 | hi there |
| 23:08.07 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 23:08.18 | bz7704 | jeff hi there |
| 23:10.03 | JeffM2501 | how's it going? |
| 23:10.22 | bz7704 | i just got banned for three days , for a zelous admin thought my callsign which i have been using for some time, apart from that not bad |
| 23:10.44 | JeffM2501 | admins have been known to do that |
| 23:11.03 | bz7704 | was'nt rude, called no one nonmae name just simply asked why? |
| 23:11.18 | JeffM2501 | not all admins are perfect |
| 23:11.23 | JeffM2501 | best to take it up with the server owner |
| 23:11.30 | bz7704 | 'nuttyarrab' is that offensive |
| 23:11.46 | JeffM2501 | to them it could have been |
| 23:12.04 | JeffM2501 | serers can do what ever they want, it's there server :) |
| 23:12.39 | JeffM2501 | Erroneous, it takes lots of pie |
| 23:12.46 | bz7704 | true, i thought it would would be the arrab part, but it was 'nutty' they didnt like |
| 23:13.00 | bz7704 | hu? u lost me |
| 23:13.43 | JeffM2501 | mmmmm nu |
| 23:13.51 | bz7704 | nutty as in a mans pair of nutts i laughed when they said that |
| 23:13.52 | JeffM2501 | bz7704, they can ban you for what ever they want |
| 23:14.03 | JeffM2501 | they could ban you for being named bob |
| 23:14.10 | bz7704 | :) |
| 23:14.11 | RPG_ | They can ban you because you signed on the server during an odd hour of the day |
| 23:14.26 | RPG_ | or because it's thursday |
| 23:14.30 | Aribeth | what server? |
| 23:14.33 | bz7704 | i think they must have been bored |
| 23:14.35 | JeffM2501 | if the server is that ban happy, then best to just not play there and move on |
| 23:14.42 | JeffM2501 | it has been known to happen |
| 23:14.44 | menotume | Erroneous: was his first name spooge ? |
| 23:14.51 | Erroneous | menotume: :) |
| 23:15.03 | bz7704 | the two castle is good map though |
| 23:15.12 | Erroneous | folks in this channel are mighty quick-witted. |
| 23:15.51 | bz7704 | it was toaster |
| 23:16.44 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:17.07 | JeffM2501 | it's tehre server, there perogitive |
| 23:17.13 | JeffM2501 | best you can do is take it up in private with em |
| 23:18.31 | bz7704 | i know i have no complaint in keeping things clean, its just i did nothing wrong, but enougth of that, what goes on in the chatroom |
| 23:19.04 | JeffM2501 | this is mostly a place for developers to discuss changes and stuff, as well as to help people who need it |
| 23:19.17 | bz7704 | unlike me :) |
| 23:19.20 | RPG_ | and it has a floor :) |
| 23:19.29 | JeffM2501 | there is also #bzchat and #bzleauge for more genral chat |
| 23:19.35 | JeffM2501 | and it has a floor now |
| 23:19.42 | *** join/#bzflag tooooor (n=torr@tor/session/x-e6f8c0d958a4d518) |
| 23:19.43 | bz7704 | cool |
| 23:19.47 | menotume | bz7704: Server owner/operators pay to run a server, and they can setup their own rules, right or wrnog. |
| 23:19.50 | JeffM2501 | well we sadly can not help you with the ban, we don't run servers. |
| 23:20.04 | bz7704 | thanks anyhow |
| 23:20.13 | JeffM2501 | the only services we controll here are the list server, forums, and web page |
| 23:20.44 | devster | JeffM2501: is the list in the order they were added to the server list? |
| 23:20.52 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:20.59 | bz7704 | so do u use python |
| 23:21.03 | JeffM2501 | you see them sorted by player count in game |
| 23:21.06 | JeffM2501 | unless you do a search |
| 23:21.13 | JeffM2501 | bz7704, me personaly? |
| 23:21.15 | devster | hmm k |
| 23:21.20 | bz7704 | yeah |
| 23:21.34 | JeffM2501 | devster, the raw list is just by what ever the sql query gives us |
| 23:21.41 | JeffM2501 | devster, I have used a little of it before |
| 23:21.50 | JeffM2501 | sorry bz7704 I have used a little of it before |
| 23:21.55 | JeffM2501 | too many tabs :0 |
| 23:21.59 | devster | k JeffM2501 |
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| 23:23.29 | bz7704 | some of the maps you come accross just seem so somplex, its amazing to think someone has built them using python or any language for that matter |
| 23:24.01 | JeffM2501 | many of the complex maps were made in lightwave |
| 23:24.07 | JeffM2501 | maps aren't done in python |
| 23:24.15 | bz7704 | oops |
| 23:24.17 | JeffM2501 | the map format is custom |
| 23:24.51 | JeffM2501 | there is a python bzedit, but it's not complete, I know of noone realy using it |
| 23:25.06 | bz7704 | how much effort goes on behind the scenes keeping bzflag going |
| 23:25.09 | JeffM2501 | the majority of the new maps use 3d modelers |
| 23:25.17 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean? |
| 23:25.35 | tooooor | ...and the majority of the new maps really kills my GeForce 2 MX. =P |
| 23:25.42 | bz7704 | maitenance i guees isthere alot |
| 23:25.43 | JeffM2501 | that's an old card |
| 23:25.53 | JeffM2501 | there are people that add features and fix bugs |
| 23:25.54 | tooooor | I am a cheap person. |
| 23:25.59 | JeffM2501 | deery day |
| 23:26.12 | JeffM2501 | tooooor, how fast a CPU? |
| 23:26.59 | tooooor | Athlon XP 1800+. |
| 23:26.59 | tooooor | I'm not complaining, I know my card is really old. |
| 23:26.59 | JeffM2501 | as soon as the maps migrate to LODs and drawInfo they should work better on your system |
| 23:27.17 | tooooor | drawInfo? |
| 23:27.18 | JeffM2501 | trepan just needs to make an LOD tool |
| 23:27.30 | JeffM2501 | drawinfo is extra stuff in the map to help the card draw things better |
| 23:27.38 | JeffM2501 | it was a new feature added in 2.0.4 |
| 23:27.55 | JeffM2501 | so as soon as the tools get made, and the maps start usign them, it will run better |
| 23:28.18 | tooooor | By the way, trying to build latest CVS now: "make: *** No rule to make target `configure.in', needed by `Makefile.in'. Stop." |
| 23:28.39 | brlcad | lod's should come for free by the time I finish |
| 23:29.15 | bz7704 | if for example i made a map, would i have to host it on my own server? |
| 23:29.33 | brlcad | that's generally the idea, though there are some folks that providing hosting services to trusted people |
| 23:30.09 | tooooor | You could always upload it somewhere and hope that someone liked it so much that they want to run it on their own server. |
| 23:30.19 | menotume | tooooor: run ./configure first |
| 23:30.29 | tooooor | menotume: Did that. |
| 23:30.37 | brlcad | tooooor: run ./autogen.sh first :) |
| 23:30.37 | bz7704 | i'm far from that |
| 23:30.38 | tooooor | Forgot autogen though, doing that now. |
| 23:30.48 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, nice |
| 23:30.51 | menotume | right, that tooooooo :) |
| 23:31.00 | brlcad | it should be |
| 23:31.55 | RPG_ | Is BZBB fuddling up sig images for anyone? |
| 23:32.15 | RPG_ | It seems sometimes when I look in people's sigs, their image isn't there, so I look in the code, and the <img> tag is completely not there. |
| 23:32.27 | brlcad | i can tesselate implicit objects that are csg'd to pretty much any level of detail, making a lod export pretty simple -- the difficulty is that once it's tesselated, it's no longer implicit so they'd have to keep the implicit form around |
| 23:32.44 | bz7704 | night guys |
| 23:32.47 | menotume | RPG_: no fuddles here |
| 23:32.55 | RPG_ | It only happens sometimes |
| 23:33.00 | RPG_ | and it's only sig images |
| 23:33.00 | *** part/#bzflag bz7704 (n=52272d43@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:33.09 | menotume | ~serverrules |
| 23:33.11 | ibot | methinks serverrules is Bzflag server owner/operators usually have to pay for premium bandwidth to host their servers, so that the public can use them for free. They own their server(s) and may administrate them as they see fit. If you don't want to abide by their rules, there are plenty of other servers available. If you have a question or comment regarding a ... |
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| 23:36.32 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, that would be why HTML is EVIL |
| 23:36.45 | JeffM2501 | sigs should be with bbcode |
| 23:36.47 | bz4995 | i just saw you' have a small note on arthur c clarke on a page previous to this, if any1 is interested there was a half hour interview with on the bbc world service last night, it should be available on there listen again feature if any one is intrerested |
| 23:36.56 | JeffM2501 | tho I see a lot of users host on crap hosts like imageshack |
| 23:37.04 | RPG_ | They are in BBCode, but PHPBB can't send bbcode to the browser, it sends HTML |
| 23:37.08 | RPG_ | the HTML is not there |
| 23:37.17 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 23:37.22 | JeffM2501 | maybe they turn it off |
| 23:37.27 | RPG_ | Like when I viewed a thread just a few minutes ago, Jeff your sig was missing, so was mine, and so was WinXP's |
| 23:37.30 | JeffM2501 | there is an option when posting "atach sig" |
| 23:37.40 | RPG_ | then I viewed another thread, and all those people's sigs were visible |
| 23:37.40 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 23:37.49 | JeffM2501 | sucsk to be your browser |
| 23:38.09 | RPG_ | Firefox v.1.0.6 :-/ |
| 23:38.14 | JeffM2501 | bz4995, the servers on the IRC network are named after SF authors |
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| 23:38.28 | JeffM2501 | bz4995, this network is for more then just bzflag, so we didn't put that there |
| 23:38.51 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, like I said, sucks to be your old browser |
| 23:39.26 | blast007 | if the HTML is being sent wrong, it is more likely to be an issue with the server, not his browser |
| 23:39.38 | JeffM2501 | or his browser is filtering it |
| 23:39.42 | JeffM2501 | even in the source view |
| 23:39.48 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 23:39.51 | JeffM2501 | I've never seen it happen |
| 23:39.55 | RPG_ | but it only happens sporadically |
| 23:39.58 | RPG_ | only started recently |
| 23:40.01 | JeffM2501 | umm ok |
| 23:41.15 | RPG_ | come to think of it, more strange things than just that have happened recently |
| 23:41.22 | RPG_ | all the sudden Apache broke on my system |
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| 23:42.41 | blast007 | RPG_: on your Windows? or Linux? |
| 23:42.48 | RPG_ | Windows now |
| 23:42.57 | blast007 | any anti-virus software? :) |
| 23:43.02 | RPG_ | McAffe |
| 23:43.09 | RPG_ | plus i'm behind a NAT |
| 23:43.25 | blast007 | NAT doesn't really stop a virus |
| 23:43.33 | blast007 | except network aware ones |
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| 23:45.00 | SilentSwan | how'd that happen? |
| 23:45.07 | blast007 | time warp |
| 23:45.12 | SilentSwan | guess so |
| 23:48.44 | SilentSwan | looks like wings3d.com has sh*t itself |
| 23:49.07 | RPG_ | ohhh noes |
| 23:49.09 | SilentSwan | of course just when i need to go there |
| 23:51.14 | SilentSwan | hmm.. now it's back.. |
| 23:53.01 | SilentSwan | or maybe not |
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