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| 00:34.11 | KRR | hello all |
| 00:34.18 | RPG_ | hi |
| 00:35.42 | KRR | hey meno thx for the pics site - good idea |
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| 00:46.50 | Roxport | how can i register my nick here on freenode? |
| 00:47.13 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:48.03 | Roxport | that same as going to that webpage link i saw yesterday in server window? |
| 00:48.37 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 00:48.42 | JeffM2501 | IRC is not the same as the game |
| 00:48.55 | JeffM2501 | the game uses our private forums |
| 00:48.56 | Roxport | yep |
| 00:48.58 | Roxport | ok |
| 00:49.07 | JeffM2501 | this IRC is just part of the freenode network, it is used by many open source projects |
| 00:49.16 | JeffM2501 | and has nothing todo with the running of the game |
| 00:49.43 | Roxport | yes. i want to register my nick for whenever I need to join #bzflag channel here |
| 00:49.55 | JeffM2501 | then nickserv will help you with that |
| 00:51.33 | Roxport | ok, i did the nickserv command for register. thanks for the help! |
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| 00:54.19 | Roxport | in bzflag client, when I log in as admin, the "O"(letter) button ceases to issue the lag / ping results command, which was really handy. is there a way to map a key in the config file to issue server command /lagstats ? |
| 00:54.59 | Roxport | actually not just when log in as admin, but when log in with /identify also (in the game I mean). |
| 00:55.02 | Roxport | brb |
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| 01:16.13 | Roxport | back |
| 01:16.51 | Roxport | In bzflag client, when I log in with /password or /identify, the "O"(letter) button ceases to issue the lag / ping results command, which was really handy. is there a way to map a key in the config file to issue server command /lagstats ? |
| 01:19.59 | Roxport | now the "O"(letter) button issues "Kick:" and waits for callsign to be entered. |
| 01:21.38 | Roxport | hello? |
| 01:25.23 | Thumper_ | you can change what it displays |
| 01:25.29 | Thumper_ | with up arrow I think |
| 01:25.36 | RPG_ | up adn down |
| 01:25.57 | Thumper_ | lagstats is only one of hte options |
| 01:26.02 | Roxport | ah-ha! thanks. |
| 01:26.49 | Roxport | genius! by the way, what is "ghost"? i've read about it, but when would one use it? |
| 01:27.21 | Grumbler | when someone else is using your nick |
| 01:31.58 | *** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 01:32.11 | Thumper_ | if you log on and go nr (or someone logs in as you) |
| 01:32.18 | Thumper_ | you can do /ghost your-password |
| 01:32.21 | Thumper_ | and it boots off the other guy |
| 01:32.24 | Thumper_ | so you can reconnect as you |
| 01:32.31 | Roxport | Ahhhh. cool. |
| 01:32.31 | Thumper_ | but not sure tha tworks anymore with global registration |
| 01:32.46 | Thumper_ | it worked fine with local bzfs databases and /register /identify commands |
| 01:33.04 | Roxport | you mean i can global register my mzflag callsign? |
| 01:33.14 | Thumper_ | I think maybe the global register thing might do that autmagically for us now but I havne't tested that |
| 01:33.19 | Thumper_ | yes |
| 01:33.21 | Thumper_ | on bzbb.bzflag.org |
| 01:33.31 | Thumper_ | there is a place for your global user password on the bzflag join screen |
| 01:33.43 | Thumper_ | and it logs you in 'globally' via the bzbb user database |
| 01:33.48 | Thumper_ | so you are you everywhere |
| 01:34.03 | Thumper_ | my servers (bzflag.norang.ca) doesn't allow local user registration anymore |
| 01:34.18 | Thumper_ | so if you wnat to vote or be an admin you need a bzbb global user account |
| 01:36.20 | Roxport | ok, i'll check it out. I already registered on the bb site, to post questions, comments, etc. on the board. |
| 01:37.58 | Roxport | http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ -> http://my.bzflag.org/bb/ |
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| 02:50.03 | Roxport | !weather 76126 |
| 02:50.06 | TheLastSpartan | Roxport: The current temperature in Fort Worth, Texas (76126) is 85°F. |
| 03:02.07 | Roxport | !weather 78312 |
| 03:02.30 | Roxport | !weather 23456 |
| 03:02.41 | TheLastSpartan | Roxport: The current temperature in Virginia Beach, Virginia (23456) is 69°F. |
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| 03:05.35 | SilentSwan | ~bzfquery bz.shattered.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 03:07.15 | SilentSwan | ~bzfquery bz.shattered.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 03:07.43 | trepan | ~nslookup shattered.dyndns.org |
| 03:08.02 | SilentSwan | yep, it's there |
| 03:08.14 | trepan | without the leading bz. |
| 03:08.20 | SilentSwan | maybe |
| 03:08.25 | SilentSwan | ~bzfquery shattered.dyndns.org:5154 |
| 03:08.31 | SilentSwan | ahhhhh |
| 03:08.41 | SilentSwan | dyndns should allow for that |
| 03:11.36 | SilentSwan | hmm... wonder if it's worth it over a dsl connection |
| 03:13.38 | trepan | up/down rates? |
| 03:13.51 | SilentSwan | 3Mb down, 512K up... |
| 03:13.57 | SilentSwan | that 512 worries me |
| 03:14.10 | trepan | yup, that's the important one for a server |
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| 03:14.31 | trepan | you'll prolly get around 8 players with that (low shot count help too) |
| 03:14.51 | SilentSwan | yeah, i've got the limit at 10 |
| 03:15.05 | SilentSwan | perhaps i should go with a business-class dsl instead |
| 03:15.57 | SilentSwan | well, i'm out... bye |
| 03:17.27 | Draicone | Tim? |
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| 03:53.02 | QuietSwan | hmmm... seems i neglected to logout correctly from the web client... |
| 03:53.17 | QuietSwan | oh |
| 03:53.32 | QuietSwan | anyway, can someone tell me how to specify names for bots on a server? |
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| 04:28.33 | DTRemenak | Thumper_: fyi ghosting of players by a globally registered name is done automatically. |
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| 04:49.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/CmdLineOptions.cxx: segv fix |
| 04:50.04 | Roxport | is global registration only available with 2.0? |
| 04:53.23 | DTRemenak | that is correct |
| 04:54.44 | Roxport | Registering at the bzflags.org official forums is not the same as globally registering a username to use with the bzflag client, right? |
| 04:57.17 | DTRemenak | it is the same. we use one database. |
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| 05:15.21 | Roxport | Does (non 2.0) bzfs keep track of registered users between server resets? |
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| 05:34.54 | kahcepb[RU] | hello world |
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| 05:36.54 | Roxport | goodbye room |
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| 06:53.23 | pyfen | anyone around? |
| 07:01.59 | ruskie | yes |
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| 07:02.56 | pyfen | Is there any way to set movement to: mouse can turn left and right, but cant move forward and back? |
| 07:03.21 | pyfen | cuz its really annoying to have the mouse moving forward and back while im trying to play, and its almost as annoying not to turn with the mouse |
| 07:03.28 | JeffM2501 | not with out changing your client |
| 07:03.47 | pyfen | ie altering the source myself? |
| 07:03.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 07:04.05 | pyfen | does it use SDL atleast? |
| 07:04.17 | JeffM2501 | what OS you on? |
| 07:04.51 | pyfen | im in Blowz atm, but I'm bout to reboot to gentoo |
| 07:05.04 | JeffM2501 | linux builds default to SDL |
| 07:05.07 | JeffM2501 | windows builds do not |
| 07:05.22 | pyfen | alright, will only take a few minutes to change it then |
| 07:05.24 | pyfen | thanks |
| 07:05.33 | pyfen | I don't see why that isnt a standard feature tho :) |
| 07:05.47 | JeffM2501 | because you are the first person to ask for it |
| 07:06.16 | pyfen | why would you want to hold onto the mouse to shoot and whatnot ect, and not have your mouse aiming where you are shooting? |
| 07:06.24 | pyfen | drove me nuts :) |
| 07:06.29 | ruskie | erm? |
| 07:06.43 | JeffM2501 | the controll system has been that way since 1994 and has worked fine for many players |
| 07:06.46 | JeffM2501 | bzflag is not quake |
| 07:06.54 | pyfen | no %#*$ |
| 07:07.13 | ruskie | yeah |
| 07:07.19 | JeffM2501 | ad the changes in as a mode |
| 07:07.21 | pyfen | its still more efficient to be aiming with teh hand you are shooting with |
| 07:07.23 | JeffM2501 | submit a patch |
| 07:07.25 | ruskie | most fps players think it's a standard FPS game |
| 07:07.39 | JeffM2501 | you can play the entire game with one hand |
| 07:07.41 | JeffM2501 | the mouse hand |
| 07:07.47 | JeffM2501 | the only aim is left and right |
| 07:07.51 | ruskie | if you have a jump button extra |
| 07:07.58 | JeffM2501 | if you jump |
| 07:07.59 | pyfen | thats not effient |
| 07:08.06 | JeffM2501 | yes it is |
| 07:08.10 | JeffM2501 | less hands :) |
| 07:08.10 | pyfen | moving forward and back with the mouse is totally not efficient |
| 07:08.18 | JeffM2501 | it works for many people |
| 07:08.18 | pyfen | less hands, worse control |
| 07:08.23 | JeffM2501 | if you say so |
| 07:08.35 | pyfen | alright, well I'll just alter the source and be comfortable |
| 07:08.37 | pyfen | thanks |
| 07:08.39 | JeffM2501 | it's not a twich game |
| 07:08.42 | JeffM2501 | submit a patch |
| 07:08.50 | pyfen | will do |
| 07:08.54 | JeffM2501 | if you make it a new mode it can be applied to the real game |
| 07:09.37 | pyfen | why would I make a new mode? I'm merely setting it so mouse cant change Z axis |
| 07:09.48 | JeffM2501 | not everyone would want to play like that |
| 07:09.52 | ruskie | bingo :) |
| 07:10.00 | ruskie | I like the current mode of movement :) |
| 07:10.07 | pyfen | if I were to submit a patch, I put an option in the option menu |
| 07:10.17 | JeffM2501 | that's what I meant by mode :) |
| 07:10.24 | JeffM2501 | an input option |
| 07:10.26 | pyfen | sorry I thought you meant like game mode |
| 07:10.30 | JeffM2501 | ohh no |
| 07:10.32 | JeffM2501 | that would be stupid |
| 07:10.37 | pyfen | yes it wold |
| 07:10.39 | JeffM2501 | just a way to turn it on and off |
| 07:11.01 | pyfen | yeah I know |
| 07:11.04 | pyfen | k thanks |
| 07:12.05 | trepan | oh ya, that's what bz's been missing all these years... |
| 07:12.12 | ruskie | :) |
| 07:12.16 | JeffM2501 | WADS baby :) |
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| 07:36.47 | LePoulpe303 | Hi all ! |
| 07:49.48 | ruskie | lo |
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| 09:03.42 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (playing.cxx clientCommands.cxx): more roam tracking fun |
| 09:37.51 | Pimpinella | we really need the possibility to ban by netmasks |
| 09:44.05 | trepan | get on it then |
| 09:44.11 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 09:44.28 | Pimpinella | i knew somebody would say that ;) |
| 09:44.55 | Pimpinella | unfortunately i have no time at all currently... |
| 09:45.02 | trepan | i thought somebody had already written a patch for it |
| 09:45.39 | Pimpinella | really? |
| 09:45.46 | Pimpinella | would be great |
| 09:47.49 | trepan | might want a globbed hostmask too, ex: *.stupid.com |
| 09:48.07 | trepan | oops, hostname |
| 09:48.45 | Pimpinella | don't we hve tht yet? |
| 09:48.55 | Pimpinella | have that |
| 09:49.53 | trepan | heh, could be, i never use hostname bans |
| 09:50.54 | Pimpinella | meacan: why didn't you commit your API additions? |
| 09:51.39 | trepan | ah, good, seems it's already in AccessControlList::does_match |
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| 09:52.48 | meacan | Pimpinella: nope. |
| 09:53.13 | Pimpinella | you didn't beceause nope? ;) |
| 09:53.22 | meacan | yeah :) |
| 09:53.26 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 09:53.36 | meacan | because im not supposed to commit code-changes. Except if i add a plugin. |
| 09:53.49 | trepan | although, in my biased opinion, bzglob would have been better :) |
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| 10:35.37 | learner | meacan, hogwash :) |
| 10:45.30 | meacan | wierd word :) |
| 10:46.35 | trepan | ~dict meacan |
| 10:47.01 | jpa- | ~spell meacan |
| 10:47.14 | jpa- | meacan: you can't even spell your nick correctly? |
| 10:47.22 | meacan | ~spell jpa- |
| 10:47.29 | meacan | can you? |
| 10:47.34 | jpa- | no |
| 10:47.52 | jpa- | ~spell learner |
| 10:47.57 | jpa- | learner can :o |
| 10:48.16 | learner | :) |
| 10:50.07 | meacan | but learner, i've never really commited anything to bzflag, so i think its fair that someone looks at my mess before applying |
| 10:50.33 | meacan | and no, i wont feed garbage to hogs :) |
| 10:51.33 | learner | ~dict 1 hogwash |
| 10:51.50 | learner | bunk!.. baloney, I say |
| 10:52.09 | learner | lots of folks will see it if you commit regardless ;) |
| 10:52.30 | learner | if you mess up, you'll probably hear about it four or five times |
| 10:52.34 | learner | even after it's been fixed |
| 10:53.25 | jpa- | and probably some annoyed bleeding-edge users will threat to kill you for not being able to use the latest CVS.. |
| 10:54.27 | trepan | hm, release is supposed to happen right about now (jeffm was aiming for midweek) |
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| 13:01.50 | Thumper_ | DTRemenak: thx (re ghost) |
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| 13:46.43 | jpa- | :/ |
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| 14:01.18 | Thumper_ | jpa-: ok... it was a Nerf bat... |
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| 14:16.25 | Grumbler | yo go Thumper_ , keep jpa inline |
| 14:17.17 | jpa- | inline-jpa? like Thumper jpa= Grumbler? |
| 14:20.44 | Thumper_ | Nerf bat...with lead pipe insert :) |
| 14:24.37 | TheRedBaron | that does it! |
| 14:25.05 | TheRedBaron | I say it was Mr. Thumper_, with the lead pipe, in the ball room. my final accusation. |
| 14:40.06 | RatOmeter | Just saw a 'bug' in action: a burrowed tank got flattened by a paused tank |
| 14:40.26 | Pimpinella | nice |
| 14:41.03 | RatOmeter | your server, too ;) |
| 14:41.27 | RatOmeter | (not that that makes any difference |
| 14:41.41 | Thumper_ | also happens for [nr] tanks |
| 14:41.54 | RatOmeter | [nr]? |
| 14:42.00 | Thumper_ | not responding... |
| 14:42.04 | Pimpinella | not responding |
| 14:42.12 | TheRedBaron | I like that bug |
| 14:42.14 | TheRedBaron | I've seen it happen before |
| 14:42.18 | RatOmeter | right, I think it probably was [nr] |
| 14:42.23 | TheRedBaron | mofo's and secretplace |
| 14:42.24 | Thumper_ | should we keep it? since you like it ;) |
| 14:42.35 | TheRedBaron | of course i'm all that matters. right? |
| 14:42.41 | Thumper_ | works for me. |
| 14:42.41 | TheRedBaron | :) |
| 14:43.05 | RatOmeter | seems as simple as the client not reporting it's dead if the other tank is paused/[nr] |
| 14:43.07 | TheRedBaron | i liked that bug because i had a burrow tank after me both times... |
| 14:43.14 | RatOmeter | heh |
| 14:43.33 | TheRedBaron | the wrath of the underworld tanks |
| 14:43.43 | Pimpinella | if the tank was still moving it was nr |
| 14:43.49 | RatOmeter | it was |
| 14:43.53 | TheRedBaron | same in my case |
| 14:44.06 | TheRedBaron | if you ask me, PZ should be able to squish burrow also.. |
| 14:44.17 | RatOmeter | not sure on that one |
| 14:44.27 | Pimpinella | no, i don't think so |
| 14:44.32 | Thumper_ | how about zoned PZ killed by physics driver? |
| 14:44.41 | RatOmeter | I've sure wanted to squish them while PZd |
| 14:44.45 | Pimpinella | i didn't think SW should be able to kill PZ either |
| 14:44.50 | Pimpinella | though it does |
| 14:45.12 | TheRedBaron | the other question that bothers me, should SR be able to squish PZ? |
| 14:45.19 | Pimpinella | no |
| 14:45.20 | Thumper_ | I think the moat on one of the CTF maps should be passable by a zoned PZ but it's not |
| 14:45.29 | Thumper_ | no |
| 14:45.52 | TheRedBaron | and should PZ be able to jump from inside a building? |
| 14:45.53 | Pimpinella | the tanks should always be able to kill each other |
| 14:45.56 | Thumper_ | no |
| 14:46.09 | TheRedBaron | gee.. what can I do with PZ? |
| 14:46.10 | Thumper_ | or maybe |
| 14:46.15 | Thumper_ | kill other PZs |
| 14:46.24 | Thumper_ | and shooting thru a teleporter |
| 14:46.29 | Thumper_ | should change PZ bullets back to normal |
| 14:46.30 | Pimpinella | oh, wait, is PZ able to shoot through a tele, producing unzoned shots? |
| 14:46.32 | Thumper_ | and kill tanks on the other side :) |
| 14:46.37 | Thumper_ | no |
| 14:46.38 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 14:46.39 | TheRedBaron | no |
| 14:46.44 | Thumper_ | but that should be fixed ;) |
| 14:46.46 | Pimpinella | ok then |
| 14:47.38 | Pimpinella | k, so if one tank can't be killed (the not PZ tank) then the other shouldn't be killable either |
| 14:47.39 | RatOmeter | zoned can shoot zoned, and that's good. I also want zoned bullets to unzoned thru tele. It makes sense in a 'physics' way, not so sure about game play |
| 14:47.44 | RatOmeter | might make them too powerful |
| 14:48.13 | TheRedBaron | i love saying this. Bzflag does not make sense in a 'physics' way :) |
| 14:48.20 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 14:48.50 | RatOmeter | heh, too true, that's why the quotes around the word |
| 14:49.48 | RatOmeter | I still get nervous sometimes when jumping from absurdly tall buildings |
| 14:49.58 | Pimpinella | why are so many ebay sellers unable to make useful photos? |
| 14:50.17 | RatOmeter | because the average ebayer has an IQ of about 40 |
| 14:50.23 | Pimpinella | http://cgi.ebay.de/Hohner-Chromanica-260-made-in-Germany-top-Zustand_W0QQitemZ7352141116QQcategoryZ23297QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 14:50.45 | TheRedBaron | RatOmeter: they've got a rock solid suspension system, no need to worry about bottoming out. :) |
| 14:50.53 | Pimpinella | how should i evaluate it from that pic? |
| 14:51.43 | RatOmeter | I guess it's not supposed to be irridescent green? |
| 14:53.12 | Pimpinella | seems it isn't supposed to be focused either |
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| 14:54.31 | RatOmeter | you can fix colors with PhotoShop or GIMP, but you gotta fix the photographer to get focus |
| 14:56.02 | jpa- | Pimpinella: the concept of "macro" is not that obvious :) |
| 14:57.51 | RatOmeter | cheap, fixed focus (about 1 meter minimum distance) digital cameras are part of the problem |
| 14:58.48 | Pimpinella | do you think i can fix the photographer with a 1 meter iron bar? |
| 14:58.50 | RatOmeter | though you can hold a magnifying glass in front of such a camera to shorten the focal length... distorts the image a little |
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| 15:00.29 | Pimpinella | hitting him often enough with it might make him wiser |
| 15:01.46 | RatOmeter | here's an example of going 'macro' with a fixed focus cam + magnifying glass: |
| 15:01.53 | RatOmeter | http://139.78.95.188/DSC_0009.JPG |
| 15:02.48 | Pimpinella | nice |
| 15:05.18 | RatOmeter | http://139.78.95.188/DSC_0018.JPG another one, you can see me holding the mag glass in the reflection :) |
| 15:05.45 | Pimpinella | cvs fails at plugins |
| 15:05.53 | RatOmeter | very narrow range of focus, though |
| 15:06.00 | Pimpinella | no rule to make >>all<< |
| 15:11.08 | Pimpinella | hm, no Makefiles in plugin dirs |
| 15:12.05 | Tupone | Pimpinella, I guess you need to rerun autogen.sh |
| 15:12.25 | Pimpinella | just did that ;) |
| 15:13.14 | Tupone | and configure? |
| 15:13.31 | Pimpinella | i configured before |
| 15:13.38 | Pimpinella | but no autogen.sh |
| 15:13.57 | Tupone | better redo that: configure after autoge |
| 15:15.36 | Pimpinella | since we use libtool i regulary have to rebuild everything :( |
| 15:15.58 | Pimpinella | dunno if i can blame libtool for it though |
| 15:16.17 | Pimpinella | but it's since then, bsta ;) |
| 15:16.18 | Tupone | It does not happen to me. I can suggest to do a clean checkout, but don't know |
| 15:16.21 | Pimpinella | basta |
| 15:19.56 | TheRedBaron | so much for my mouse enhancement |
| 15:19.59 | TheRedBaron | http://www.spookysmouse.com/ShallowEnd/Images/Frodo-and-his-BIG-Cheez-it.jpg |
| 15:21.26 | Pimpinella | if you don't feed it for a few days it will become much quicker |
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| 15:21.36 | Pimpinella | presented some food |
| 15:24.40 | TheRedBaron | hmm |
| 15:24.55 | TheRedBaron | That photo is going on my league profile. |
| 15:36.55 | TheRedBaron | http://my.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=playerinfo&id=295 |
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| 16:38.50 | menotume | http://my.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=playerinfo&id=1368 |
| 16:39.02 | menotume | ooops, wrong channel - sry |
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| 16:40.10 | geoffrey | ergh |
| 16:40.20 | geoffrey | i am now so annoyed with the spawning... |
| 16:40.28 | geoffrey | just got kicked for 3 spawn tks |
| 16:40.42 | geoffrey | 3 spawn kills in 5 bulets :| |
| 16:40.45 | DTRemenak | pw! |
| 16:41.19 | Tupone | did you just spray bullets ? |
| 16:41.52 | geoffrey | 5 spread out bullets at an agility |
| 16:42.06 | JeffM2501 | so that's a "yes" |
| 16:42.11 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 16:42.15 | geoffrey | yes, it is :) |
| 16:42.22 | bryjen | spawning on base after a flag capture? or clusted team spawning after genocide? |
| 16:43.03 | geoffrey | nope - in the middle of the field... |
| 16:43.11 | geoffrey | and no geno, or flag capture |
| 16:43.20 | JeffM2501 | CTF or ffa? |
| 16:43.37 | geoffrey | CTF |
| 16:43.42 | geoffrey | viper's. |
| 16:43.55 | JeffM2501 | arn't they suposed to base spawn? |
| 16:44.03 | geoffrey | only after the flag capture |
| 16:44.04 | Tupone | _Manu_: you have one people between you and me ... have to add an additional _ in front :) |
| 16:44.12 | bryjen | either way, firing a spread with 3 teammates close by is dangerous |
| 16:44.19 | geoffrey | they weren't there. |
| 16:44.24 | geoffrey | they spawned into my bullets. |
| 16:44.32 | JeffM2501 | firing a spray is dangerous :) |
| 16:44.32 | bryjen | three in a row? |
| 16:44.46 | geoffrey | three all in one five bullet spray. |
| 16:45.01 | JeffM2501 | you can have the server owners upgrade, and then they have a bit of contorll over the spawn varialbes, with /set |
| 16:45.16 | JeffM2501 | thinks like safe dist, and time spent computing spawns |
| 16:45.32 | _Manu_ | geoffrey, you are a tker ;) |
| 16:45.43 | bryjen | all three teammates dieing and spawning within the lifetime of your shots seems bad in itself |
| 16:45.47 | geoffrey | _Manu_, you of all people know who I am :) |
| 16:45.56 | geoffrey | ((Un)Guided Missile) |
| 16:46.48 | bryjen | perhaps you need teammates that don't die (and respawn) as often ;) or at least not simultaneously ;) |
| 16:47.04 | _Manu_ | Tupone, sometimes in a full server is difficult to find a secure place for spawn :) |
| 16:47.06 | JeffM2501 | perhaps we can make the game shoot for you, so you don't do have to aim |
| 16:47.29 | geoffrey | :P - wouldn't be quite as good or as fun :) |
| 16:47.31 | bryjen | hehe. isn't he there already? ;) |
| 16:48.07 | geoffrey | bryjen, I hate stupid teams. They always suck. Never want to work as a team. |
| 16:48.08 | JeffM2501 | I think somone should play with the spawn vars, and see if it helps, I am not too sure on many of the defaults. |
| 16:48.22 | JeffM2501 | geoffrey, then play as rouge |
| 16:48.35 | geoffrey | Only blue and red on viper's :P |
| 16:48.41 | JeffM2501 | then play somewhere else |
| 16:48.56 | geoffrey | *sigh...* it was perfectly alright before 2.0.0... |
| 16:49.09 | JeffM2501 | yes, when a cheater could pick his spawn point |
| 16:49.16 | bryjen | probly need FFA if you don't trust people to make a good team |
| 16:49.29 | _Manu_ | geoffrey, that's simply bad luck |
| 16:49.33 | bryjen | FFA as a rogue |
| 16:50.09 | geoffrey | _Manu_, we need somehow to get all of the good players we lost with 2.0.0 back... then use them to scare away all of the newbies :) |
| 16:50.38 | DTRemenak | people come and go. such is the way of things. |
| 16:50.58 | _Manu_ | geoffrey, most of the best players are in 2.0 |
| 16:51.01 | JeffM2501 | go play 1.10 and you won't have any of your dreaded "newbies" |
| 16:53.06 | geoffrey | what does menotumoose mean? :| |
| 16:53.11 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 16:53.39 | jpa- | Me, not u, moose :) |
| 16:53.42 | JeffM2501 | it means a moose |
| 16:53.52 | bryjen | http://my.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=playerinfo&id=1368 |
| 16:54.17 | _Manu_ | geoffrey, of course the spawn code is far from being perfect, but is not so bad as you show us :) |
| 16:54.40 | JeffM2501 | it's more secure then it used to be |
| 16:54.49 | JeffM2501 | it just needs to take things in to account better |
| 16:54.53 | geoffrey | yeah, it's better than it used to be, by a mile... |
| 16:54.55 | JeffM2501 | info the server dosn't have yet |
| 16:54.58 | geoffrey | but still flawed |
| 16:55.06 | _Manu_ | the problem is for map with not too much obstacles like viper map |
| 16:55.09 | JeffM2501 | so help fix it |
| 16:55.24 | _Manu_ | 20 players firing.. is difficult to find a secure place :) |
| 16:55.38 | JeffM2501 | it's not like we have a "make bad spawns" checkbox we can uncheck in the builds. |
| 16:55.50 | geoffrey | but there again, I don't have a clue how to code anything to work out where bullets are going, in any language... |
| 16:55.58 | JeffM2501 | exactly |
| 16:56.00 | JeffM2501 | it's not simple |
| 16:56.22 | JeffM2501 | map spawn zones helps a lot too |
| 16:56.32 | JeffM2501 | as can changing those settings |
| 16:56.55 | _Manu_ | spawning.. from the ground like whe with BU can help :) |
| 16:57.11 | _Manu_ | s/whe/when |
| 16:57.29 | Grumbler | ~bryjen++ |
| 16:58.22 | JeffM2501 | airspawn could at least take care of a bit of it now |
| 16:58.30 | JeffM2501 | adding a random Z to each spawn :) |
| 16:58.41 | _Manu_ | yes, I like it.. is funny killing them when raining tanks.. hehe |
| 16:58.52 | _Manu_ | and they can't do nothing |
| 16:58.55 | Grumbler | heh, on loumans map, that is like insta-death |
| 16:58.59 | geoffrey | have no checking of bullets or anything |
| 16:59.10 | JeffM2501 | geoffrey, that was 2.0.0 |
| 16:59.17 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, I think that raining tank is not a very good idea :) |
| 16:59.23 | JeffM2501 | all it checked was box intersexctions |
| 16:59.37 | geoffrey | sigh... |
| 16:59.50 | geoffrey | that was good, at least you knew it was compeletely random |
| 16:59.52 | JeffM2501 | I did make the API able to do spawns so that people could make better spawn code |
| 17:00.17 | Grumbler | why not let the client pick where it should spawn.....then its the users fault for picking the wrong spot. :) |
| 17:00.22 | JeffM2501 | you could add some aditional checks, and recall the spawn code again if oyu wanted. |
| 17:00.30 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, that's what 1.10 did |
| 17:00.33 | _Manu_ | like.. a plugin 'luky player' always respawn the lucky player over a super flag :) |
| 17:00.37 | JeffM2501 | cheates would spawn behind people to kill them |
| 17:00.54 | JeffM2501 | that was another 1.10 cheat |
| 17:01.11 | JeffM2501 | tho the API dosn't know where flags are yet |
| 17:01.34 | _Manu_ | well, is not difficult to add it.. (but I was kidding) |
| 17:02.07 | Tupone | .avi ? |
| 17:02.22 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 17:02.44 | Tupone | rip into avi :) |
| 17:02.48 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:02.49 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:02.53 | bryjen | mp3 |
| 17:02.56 | JeffM2501 | oog |
| 17:03.12 | bryjen | vvvvvorbis |
| 17:03.51 | JeffM2501 | but then I also want this GL code to work, but it won't... so we all know how my wants go |
| 17:04.27 | Tupone | eek ... rephrase . I'm not mother tongue :) |
| 17:04.45 | JeffM2501 | reprhase what? |
| 17:04.57 | Tupone | so we all know how my wants go ??? |
| 17:05.04 | JeffM2501 | how my wants end up |
| 17:05.07 | JeffM2501 | desires |
| 17:05.09 | bryjen | still looking for that short redhead with glasses? ;) |
| 17:05.10 | JeffM2501 | wishes |
| 17:05.14 | JeffM2501 | allways |
| 17:05.17 | Tupone | ok thanks |
| 17:05.20 | JeffM2501 | not too short tho |
| 17:06.17 | Tupone | Better starting at ruling the words |
| 17:06.17 | bryjen | bah. have you looked at it lately? you can have it. ;) |
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| 17:06.36 | JeffM2501 | I'd settle for smaller worlds |
| 17:07.11 | bryjen | you're sounding more alliance than independant |
| 17:07.20 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 17:07.39 | JeffM2501 | I'd like to break off a small part from the alliance and have it run more independently ;) |
| 17:07.47 | JeffM2501 | with a council |
| 17:07.54 | JeffM2501 | representation before implementation |
| 17:08.17 | bryjen | don't eat it. |
| 17:08.21 | JeffM2501 | cake or death!!!! |
| 17:09.14 | Tupone | bryjen: leave something for us |
| 17:09.15 | JeffM2501 | the king over in utah often just dosnt' understand how it is over here where all the people do the real work |
| 17:09.40 | bryjen | utah has a king? |
| 17:09.45 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:09.51 | JeffM2501 | it's a little known fact |
| 17:10.05 | JeffM2501 | tho i guess he moved out of texas at the right time |
| 17:10.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (GUIOptionsMenu.cxx SceneRenderer.cxx): Limiting the mouseboxsize to safe values |
| 17:10.09 | JeffM2501 | wasn't he in huston? |
| 17:10.28 | bryjen | ah, that guy. dallas area, i thought |
| 17:10.32 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:13.46 | JeffM2501 | actualy I'm not that much of a rebel from the way most places do it, just one from the way it's done here ;) |
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| 17:40.33 | JeffM2501 | at least I'm not engaging in terorism |
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| 17:49.01 | JeffM2501 | one more day |
| 17:52.06 | PKMOBILE | im just happy it isnt tuesday |
| 17:53.11 | bryjen | cvs was working several minutes ago, 'cuz Tupone commited. Then JeffM2501 crashed it ;/ |
| 17:53.26 | JeffM2501 | whooot |
| 17:53.47 | JeffM2501 | do I get virgins now? |
| 17:53.51 | bryjen | you terruh-ist |
| 17:53.59 | bryjen | ?!? |
| 17:54.20 | JeffM2501 | don't you get like 1000 virgins when you crash a car or a plane into something? |
| 17:54.30 | Grumbler | you have to die after |
| 17:54.30 | PKMOBILE | 40 i think |
| 17:54.34 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:54.36 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 17:54.53 | JeffM2501 | what if you are just REALY good, and don't die? |
| 17:54.59 | PKMOBILE | so if youre too overzealous, the newness wont last even a week |
| 17:55.00 | Grumbler | if you live, you were unsucessful and you have to try again |
| 17:55.06 | JeffM2501 | I skill shoudl be rewarded right? |
| 17:55.17 | bryjen | hmm, no CBG or RPG, but you can have jpa- and brad2901 ;) |
| 17:55.20 | JeffM2501 | what if you got all the stuff blowed up you were suposed to, AND you didn't die? |
| 17:55.29 | JeffM2501 | I'd call that a resounding sucsess |
| 17:55.36 | Grumbler | sry, those are the rules.....you can try rebelling against those......but then you would be a conformists |
| 17:55.43 | brad2901 | eh? |
| 17:56.02 | JeffM2501 | it's all them old books, they were never thought out well enough |
| 17:56.05 | PKMOBILE | no... hed be a rebel |
| 17:56.08 | JeffM2501 | they don't scale well |
| 17:56.20 | PKMOBILE | wed have to execute him... and executions dont count |
| 17:56.36 | JeffM2501 | what if you blow up your execution squad while you are geting executed? |
| 17:56.58 | Grumbler | scaling is just a rebels way of trying to include their ideas into the mainstream.....and when they can't, they call is all crap and rebel |
| 17:57.22 | JeffM2501 | well indie stuff is now mainstream |
| 17:57.37 | JeffM2501 | but I was talkinga bout the book scaling, not the rebels |
| 17:57.54 | JeffM2501 | I don't need to scale my ideas, I just need to get them implemented |
| 17:57.58 | JeffM2501 | by hook or by crook |
| 17:58.00 | Grumbler | yeah, apparently there is a movie getting released that cost millions........not quite indie typical |
| 17:58.17 | JeffM2501 | alternitive was mainstream for a while |
| 17:58.25 | bryjen | perhaps your ideas need scaling /back/. grandeous plans and all... |
| 17:58.40 | Grumbler | beer usually helps with that |
| 17:58.41 | JeffM2501 | there is truth to that |
| 17:58.50 | JeffM2501 | can't give beer to the munchkins |
| 17:59.04 | bryjen | cough suryp |
| 17:59.04 | JeffM2501 | and there was beer, but you guys whern't there |
| 17:59.11 | Grumbler | expired orange juice then |
| 17:59.23 | JeffM2501 | did it get virgins when it expired? |
| 17:59.43 | Grumbler | i think virgins squeezed the juice |
| 17:59.54 | JeffM2501 | close 'nuf |
| 18:00.02 | bryjen | oranges don't take anyone with them when they go. apples on the other hand... |
| 18:00.49 | bryjen | it's all the communism, they work for no one! ;) |
| 18:01.00 | JeffM2501 | posibly |
| 18:01.08 | JeffM2501 | it is made by hippies |
| 18:01.09 | bryjen | err, or only themselves |
| 18:01.52 | JeffM2501 | sometimes I grow sick of the MS SUV and the slick apple iCar |
| 18:01.59 | JeffM2501 | a sherman tank would do well |
| 18:02.02 | JeffM2501 | or a batmobile |
| 18:02.10 | JeffM2501 | but I heard finding parts for them is hard |
| 18:03.14 | JeffM2501 | tho didn't I read something recently where somone is trying to rebuild the batmobile? |
| 18:04.21 | PKMOBILE | me hungry!! |
| 18:04.35 | JeffM2501 | ok grog, then go kill an elk |
| 18:05.02 | JeffM2501 | oh you never read the thing? |
| 18:05.15 | JeffM2501 | station wagons, tanks, and batmobiles? |
| 18:05.47 | bryjen | guess not... |
| 18:05.52 | JeffM2501 | it's funn |
| 18:05.53 | JeffM2501 | let me find it |
| 18:06.19 | JeffM2501 | it was a comparsion of 4 major OSs ( at the time ) to car dealerships at a crossroad |
| 18:06.25 | JeffM2501 | and where people went to them and why |
| 18:07.42 | JeffM2501 | http://www.voidspace.org.uk/technology/neal_beginning.shtml#mgbs-tanks-and-batmobiles |
| 18:12.35 | bryjen | "Stay away from my house, you freak!" |
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| 18:12.38 | JeffM2501 | :) |
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| 18:27.51 | Silent_Swan | anyone have any tips on why a solaris build is failing complaining about a missing "gl.h" when it's NOT missing...? |
| 18:28.01 | Silent_Swan | configure sees it |
| 18:28.24 | Silent_Swan | but then: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h) |
| 18:30.00 | JeffM2501 | where is your gl.h? |
| 18:31.17 | Silent_Swan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:31.37 | Silent_Swan | i passed -I/usr/include/GL to CFLAGS, but no luck there |
| 18:31.39 | JeffM2501 | hmmm one woudl think configure should be able to find that |
| 18:31.43 | Silent_Swan | it does |
| 18:31.57 | Silent_Swan | configure finds it, but then later on, i get that message... so it knows it's there |
| 18:32.08 | Silent_Swan | meacan what did it turn out to be? |
| 18:32.19 | meacan | LIBS=-lpthread ./configure :-) |
| 18:32.35 | JeffM2501 | that can cause it yes |
| 18:32.36 | Silent_Swan | hmm... i thoughti'd tried that one too... |
| 18:32.40 | Silent_Swan | but let me try again... brb |
| 18:32.40 | JeffM2501 | the message is generic |
| 18:33.24 | JeffM2501 | it actualy looks for a function |
| 18:33.27 | JeffM2501 | not just the header |
| 18:33.34 | JeffM2501 | ac_cv_search_gluScaleImage |
| 18:33.48 | Silent_Swan | also seems to have trouble determining the SDL version |
| 18:33.52 | JeffM2501 | so it could also be something with your version of autoconfigure |
| 18:33.59 | Silent_Swan | hmmm |
| 18:34.01 | JeffM2501 | do you have the SDL dev packages installed |
| 18:34.09 | Silent_Swan | i installed the entire works from source |
| 18:34.10 | JeffM2501 | what version of autocmake do you have? |
| 18:34.36 | Silent_Swan | 1.8.3 |
| 18:34.48 | JeffM2501 | that should very well be new enough |
| 18:35.20 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, DTRemenak, and brlcad are the config masters tho |
| 18:35.23 | Silent_Swan | well.. this is using Sun's OpenGL distribution... |
| 18:35.50 | JeffM2501 | usualy those problems are not with the GL part, but with automake/conf/libtool not working together, or knowing where things are |
| 18:35.55 | JeffM2501 | from what I recall |
| 18:36.21 | JeffM2501 | ~logs |
| 18:36.23 | ibot | methinks logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 18:36.33 | Silent_Swan | but if it's looking for gluScaleImage, that's defined in glu.h, not gl.h |
| 18:36.47 | Grumbler | would be nice if we could google those logs |
| 18:36.51 | JeffM2501 | bahh can't search multiple days |
| 18:37.01 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, well I have local logs, I'll search those |
| 18:37.09 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust130.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:37.24 | JeffM2501 | Silent_Swan, yeah the message is somewhat missleading, it's not checking just gl.h, it's checking all things autoconf knows about |
| 18:38.09 | bryjen | i've seen a few people with the gl/threads problem. their gl libs need the threads lib, so a configure test program fails to link |
| 18:38.40 | Grumbler | JeffM2501, if you had google desktop, you could just google that, and you would care where the physical log is |
| 18:38.55 | bryjen | and when that test fails, it blames it on the gl |
| 18:39.17 | Silent_Swan | well, i know i've gotten it to build on solaris 9 before... i seem to recall i had to hack the configure script :) |
| 18:39.50 | JeffM2501 | some work was done on the cofig to make it work on more OSs recetnly |
| 18:40.02 | JeffM2501 | when libtool was added as a requirement IIRC |
| 18:40.03 | Silent_Swan | ahh |
| 18:40.10 | JeffM2501 | what version are you trying to build? |
| 18:40.36 | Silent_Swan | current version from cvs as of 2 days ago |
| 18:40.43 | Silent_Swan | all builds fine except the client |
| 18:40.54 | Silent_Swan | i'm not really so much worried about the client since the machin it's running on is a server only |
| 18:41.10 | Silent_Swan | so really this is not such a big deal |
| 18:41.23 | JeffM2501 | do you have libtool as well? |
| 18:41.25 | Silent_Swan | yes |
| 18:41.31 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:41.34 | Silent_Swan | looking to see the current version of that... |
| 18:41.36 | JeffM2501 | plugins will need that, for the server |
| 18:41.59 | JeffM2501 | how is 10 players working out on your connection? |
| 18:42.12 | Silent_Swan | well, last night the server was full and all was good |
| 18:42.34 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:43.20 | JeffM2501 | damn, looks like tupone helped all the people with gl.h problems in private, I don't have any solutions in my logs :( |
| 18:43.32 | Silent_Swan | hehe, no worries. i'll hack it out somehow |
| 18:43.38 | JeffM2501 | if it was linux with an nvidia, I'd know how to fix it :) |
| 18:43.52 | Silent_Swan | to be honest, i'll likely be whacking solaris on my ultra10 and replacing with either linux or bsd |
| 18:44.17 | JeffM2501 | but then will it be as ultra as it was before? |
| 18:44.19 | Silent_Swan | since sun has screwed around with patch availability on solaris 10, i refuse toupgrade |
| 18:44.26 | Silent_Swan | hehe |
| 18:44.27 | Silent_Swan | probably not |
| 18:44.36 | Silent_Swan | that box hasn't been "ultra" for 6 years |
| 18:44.40 | JeffM2501 | so like ultra 9.95 |
| 18:45.13 | Silent_Swan | 333MHz UltraSPARC IIi... more like "Ultra 3.5" |
| 18:45.15 | JeffM2501 | we have a PC here at work that was the fastest computer available when it was made, so we painted flames on the case |
| 18:45.24 | Silent_Swan | hehe |
| 18:45.26 | JeffM2501 | so now we have a dual CPU P3 450 with a bad case mod |
| 18:45.38 | Silent_Swan | i still have an old sparcstation 4 that was worth some $8000 when new |
| 18:45.49 | JeffM2501 | and how much now? |
| 18:46.20 | Grumbler | heh, i am giving away a $11k when new machine |
| 18:46.53 | Grumbler | of course i bought it used for ~200 |
| 18:47.38 | Silent_Swan | probably about $20 |
| 18:47.43 | JeffM2501 | ouch |
| 18:47.49 | JeffM2501 | did you pay the 8k when it was new? |
| 18:47.52 | Silent_Swan | it's 75MHz |
| 18:47.54 | Silent_Swan | noooooo |
| 18:47.55 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 18:47.57 | Silent_Swan | i bought it used |
| 18:48.09 | Silent_Swan | i let some other poor sucker pay $8k |
| 18:48.11 | Silent_Swan | :) |
| 18:48.13 | Tupone | Silent_Swan: ever thought about posting config.log in http://bzflag.pastebin.ca |
| 18:48.19 | JeffM2501 | it was probalby a deal at that time |
| 18:48.22 | JeffM2501 | there is the Tupone |
| 18:48.26 | JeffM2501 | he is the master configurator |
| 18:48.27 | Silent_Swan | i can do that... but i'm still hacking away at it :) |
| 18:48.35 | JeffM2501 | or I shoudl say, our config is his fualt ;) |
| 18:48.39 | Silent_Swan | by the time i get done hacking, "configure" will never be the same again :) |
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| 18:54.23 | CBG | scons? :) |
| 18:54.39 | Silent_Swan | ok... hacking completed... here goes nothing |
| 18:54.51 | Silent_Swan | this'll take a while to build on this antique :) |
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| 18:56.33 | *** join/#bzflag Mr_Molez (n=Mr_Molez@ACD51969.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:04.25 | Grumbler | http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/engineering/skycity/interactive/interactive.html |
| 19:04.45 | *** join/#bzflag geoffrey (n=geoffrey@86.137.238.58) |
| 19:10.13 | geoffrey | hi |
| 19:13.38 | Tupone | how many tk on spray this time ? |
| 19:13.46 | RatOmeter_ | on spray? |
| 19:13.51 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 19:14.31 | Tupone | bullet |
| 19:14.37 | geoffrey | :) |
| 19:15.32 | _Manu_ | he attracts the bullets |
| 19:15.35 | geoffrey | :P |
| 19:16.26 | Silent_Swan | i always thought my tank was magnetic... :( |
| 19:16.38 | Silent_Swan | but then i realised i just suck at the game hehe |
| 19:19.27 | *** join/#bzflag geoffrey (n=geoffrey@86.137.238.58) |
| 19:19.40 | Silent_Swan | well, looks like i fixed the gl test... |
| 19:19.49 | Silent_Swan | "fixed" meaning "disabled the test" :) |
| 19:20.24 | Mr_Molez | does anyone know how to get vocaliser working ? |
| 19:20.55 | Mr_Molez | Silent_Swan: lol that is good enough to quote from :) |
| 19:21.03 | RatOmeter_ | I often greatest (negative) score... partly cause I'm always chasing the other team's flag... partly cause I suck at the game |
| 19:21.04 | Grumbler | well first you get a little kid.....now, this can be illegal in some states.........they must be able to read |
| 19:22.43 | *** join/#bzflag _bubbles_ (n=nadic666@toronto-HSE-ppp4267416.sympatico.ca) |
| 19:23.51 | Tupone | _Manu_: again _bubbles_ is between you and me :) |
| 19:24.04 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 19:24.34 | brlcad | the _bubbles_ are popular |
| 19:24.59 | menotume | _bubbles_ is between you two ? |
| 19:25.16 | Grumbler | their canadian bubbles, it happens |
| 19:25.23 | Tupone | hi brlcad, menotume |
| 19:25.27 | menotume | nhellos |
| 19:25.33 | menotume | eeep (n) |
| 19:25.33 | Tupone | and Grumbler too |
| 19:25.47 | menotume | bubbahs is not talking ? |
| 19:25.53 | Grumbler | caio |
| 19:26.05 | Tupone | ciao you meant ? |
| 19:26.18 | Grumbler | hmm, yes(?) |
| 19:26.42 | Grumbler | ...that doesnt mean dead cat or something |
| 19:27.34 | Tupone | ciao -> cya while caio is the name of a Roman Dictator: Caio Mario the antagonist of Silla |
| 19:28.08 | Birdie | tupone: is "ciao" = "bye" to? i know its "hi" |
| 19:28.41 | _Manu_ | caio roman emperator :) |
| 19:28.42 | Tupone | ciao is every cheers you want to do, general purpose |
| 19:29.00 | menotume | Manu's pic is up @ pics.bzleague.com :) |
| 19:29.20 | _Manu_ | and my wife.. :) |
| 19:29.21 | Tupone | menotume: others _bubbles_ pictures ? |
| 19:29.21 | menotume | and, chow is what i do now - cu |
| 19:29.32 | menotume | nope, waiting on the bikini pic |
| 19:29.55 | Grumbler | bikini bzleagues? ....how did you fit in one of those menotume |
| 19:30.09 | menotume | hehe, x-large |
| 19:30.13 | menotume | wait till you see |
| 19:31.17 | gsnedders | Manu's pic is scary :) |
| 19:31.24 | _Manu_ | lol |
| 19:31.40 | gsnedders | scarier than http://geoffers.uni.cc/me.jpg :) |
| 19:32.05 | brlcad | o.O |
| 19:32.10 | Birdie | brrrrr |
| 19:32.25 | brlcad | hey, it's a Birdie |
| 19:32.32 | gsnedders | brlcad: did I scare you? :) |
| 19:32.32 | Birdie | its a learner! |
| 19:33.37 | brlcad | gsnedders: nah, but you look a bit like RPG .. minus the curlie hair |
| 19:33.49 | Grumbler | .....who looks a bit like brlcad |
| 19:34.02 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:34.20 | brlcad | ahh, _Manu_ uploaded :) |
| 19:35.32 | brlcad | Birdie: so.. is that whiskey? :) |
| 19:35.41 | Birdie | lol |
| 19:35.48 | Birdie | not in a beer glass:) |
| 19:35.57 | brlcad | that's a beer glass?? |
| 19:36.02 | Birdie | i wanted to look at least a bit normal so a normal beer glas would do:) |
| 19:36.03 | brlcad | so .. small :) |
| 19:36.06 | Birdie | i know.. |
| 19:36.13 | Birdie | its a shame |
| 19:36.18 | brlcad | abnormal :) |
| 19:36.24 | Birdie | 50 cl should be the minimum |
| 19:36.47 | Grumbler | maybe its one of those dual use glasses.......whiskey then beer, whiskey then beer |
| 19:37.17 | Birdie | grumbler know the flie;) |
| 19:37.19 | Birdie | life * |
| 19:37.20 | brlcad | yeah, that's the beer chaser ;) |
| 19:37.30 | Birdie | i dont like whisky though |
| 19:37.46 | brlcad | brandy? |
| 19:37.55 | menotume | due to popualar demand, another pic of bubbahs has just been added |
| 19:38.16 | Birdie | lol |
| 19:38.23 | Birdie | ya whisky is to brandy |
| 19:38.26 | Grumbler | Birdie, i have many steins.......many are paired with a little mini-stein |
| 19:38.33 | Birdie | i drunk saturday something of 70% alcohol..that sux |
| 19:38.50 | Birdie | if it just touches your lips, they are brandy |
| 19:38.54 | menotume | barardi 151 shots, yumm |
| 19:39.07 | menotume | err, bacadri |
| 19:39.11 | menotume | whatever |
| 19:39.21 | Tupone | bacardi ? |
| 19:39.35 | Birdie | bacardi yes |
| 19:39.42 | Birdie | but thats just limonade with alcohol |
| 19:39.50 | Birdie | for girls who dont like alcohol but do like limonade:) |
| 19:39.54 | brlcad | _bubbles_: yay |
| 19:40.31 | Birdie | tupone: no picture yet from you? |
| 19:40.46 | Birdie | your asking for more bubble pics but you should place one on to than:) |
| 19:40.47 | Tupone | nope. I don't want to crash that gallery |
| 19:40.57 | Birdie | i'm sure meno made it "bug free" |
| 19:41.12 | Tupone | I love _bubbles_ :) |
| 19:41.32 | Birdie | tupone: i hope you dont want us to use our imagination:) |
| 19:42.01 | Tupone | lol ... you can actually I have no camera :/ |
| 19:42.14 | gsnedders_hw | time to go do homework... |
| 19:42.14 | gsnedders_hw | :( |
| 19:42.21 | Birdie | you dont have even ONE pic on your pc from yourself lol? |
| 19:42.28 | Silent_Swan | ok, was able to get a successful client build with my configure script hack... thanks to those who provided input... |
| 19:42.32 | Birdie | from some kind of party?:) |
| 19:42.34 | Silent_Swan | bye for now |
| 19:43.41 | Tupone | I remeber I have one, it was from some years ago ... |
| 19:43.56 | _Manu_ | I saw one.. years ago :) |
| 19:44.28 | Birdie | see take that one than:) |
| 19:44.39 | Tupone | http://www.santanatolia.it/images/195901.htm |
| 19:44.46 | _Manu_ | lol :) |
| 19:44.49 | Tupone | :) |
| 19:45.03 | _Manu_ | a fresh one :) |
| 19:45.04 | Birdie | rofl |
| 19:45.05 | Tupone | lol |
| 19:45.27 | Tupone | guess who I am :) |
| 19:45.47 | Birdie | well propably a young one:) |
| 19:45.56 | Birdie | or you would be pretty old now |
| 19:45.56 | Tupone | yeah :) |
| 19:46.24 | Tupone | I was very young at that time |
| 19:46.44 | Birdie | from 1959.. |
| 19:46.47 | Birdie | so hmm |
| 19:46.53 | Birdie | your 45 + ... years old |
| 19:47.00 | Tupone | 3 month? |
| 19:47.11 | Birdie | oh you are the most little one:) |
| 19:47.14 | _Manu_ | he is the baby :) |
| 19:47.19 | Birdie | oooh |
| 19:47.23 | Birdie | wops |
| 19:47.46 | _bubbles_ | awwz |
| 19:48.46 | brlcad | menotume: is KRR not KR? |
| 19:49.24 | Birdie | brlcad: he is |
| 19:49.26 | bryjen | LOL "...emacs, which might be thought of as a thermonuclear word processor." |
| 19:49.39 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:56.19 | JeffM2501 | I coulda got you a ride on the boss's multi hull when you were out here |
| 19:56.24 | Grumbler | .....annapolis boat show coiming up....go get yourself one |
| 19:56.29 | JeffM2501 | I think it's still techicnaly the fastest one in the pacific |
| 19:56.42 | brlcad | heh |
| 19:56.51 | JeffM2501 | unless that waterworld one is done |
| 19:57.05 | brlcad | Grumbler: I've been thinking of getting one .. |
| 19:57.48 | Grumbler | if your dreaming, my i suggest the jeanneau 49' |
| 19:58.04 | Grumbler | my->may |
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| 19:59.44 | CBG | Bzflag has officially broken... :/ |
| 19:59.49 | CBG | Why would I be getting a "There does not appear to be any key bound to enter the game" error? |
| 19:59.53 | brlcad | i've been thinking of living on a houseboat for a few years |
| 20:00.00 | brlcad | only problem is networking.. |
| 20:00.09 | CBG | I have not updated cvs. I have not eddited my conf. I have not done anything out of the ordinary. |
| 20:00.28 | brlcad | satellite will just kill my bz lag ;) |
| 20:00.28 | Tupone | CBG: you have update keyboard mapping, I guess |
| 20:00.28 | Grumbler | most marinas have hookup.....some even wifi.....verizon will run a dsl line to the boat |
| 20:00.34 | CBG | Tupone: Nope. |
| 20:00.37 | brlcad | ooh |
| 20:00.47 | Tupone | well, look at those and see |
| 20:01.05 | brlcad | CBG: delete your config and try again |
| 20:01.10 | CBG | Tupone: Why would they change themselves. |
| 20:01.25 | CBG | brlcad: when I did, i got other problems. I also dont want to lose all my settings. |
| 20:01.26 | Birdie | not everything is logic;) just do what he told you:) |
| 20:01.27 | Tupone | you have to say us |
| 20:01.32 | CBG | Birdie: pf. |
| 20:01.43 | brlcad | CBG: other problems like what? |
| 20:01.51 | brlcad | editing the config file is the cause of lots of possible problems |
| 20:02.07 | brlcad | a simple typo in that file could cause problems |
| 20:02.10 | CBG | The server told me to /identify, and when I tried, it told me /identify was disabled. |
| 20:02.30 | Grumbler | yeah, thats a server thing |
| 20:02.37 | CBG | brlcad: ok fair enough, but I have not edited it or my key mappings, so any error in there was created by the game. |
| 20:02.51 | CBG | Grumbler: well, I never had that problem with my normal conf. |
| 20:02.56 | CBG | I deleted my conf, and thats the problem I got. |
| 20:03.08 | Grumbler | i got that all through the beginning of 2.0 |
| 20:03.10 | DTRemenak | need to figure out how to make tekagi's arch non-hostile also. |
| 20:03.16 | DTRemenak | ~ww |
| 20:03.17 | ibot | Wrong window pansie |
| 20:03.58 | JeffM2501 | why does everyone think I ban people when they do one single stupid/wrong thing? |
| 20:04.11 | CBG | JeffM2501: they do? |
| 20:04.14 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: everyone knows you're banhappy :P :) |
| 20:04.22 | JeffM2501 | I am? |
| 20:04.28 | Tupone | ban all |
| 20:04.32 | DTRemenak | that was facetious |
| 20:04.33 | brlcad | you banhoar you |
| 20:04.41 | CBG | yeah yeah, ban all, just fix my problem first. ;) |
| 20:04.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 20:05.16 | JeffM2501 | I think I_died_once things' I'm just out to ban "his" people sometimes |
| 20:05.17 | DTRemenak | they see you go off on people who cause you lots of problems, when they haven't seen most of the problems themselves because you clean up after them very well |
| 20:05.32 | JeffM2501 | I do enjoy deleting posts :) |
| 20:05.43 | CBG | JeffM2501: don't those people deserve it? ;) |
| 20:05.44 | *** join/#bzflag UKMonkey (n=c38958a4@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 20:05.54 | Birdie | you have to delete so many? |
| 20:06.04 | JeffM2501 | no, not that many |
| 20:06.10 | JeffM2501 | it's usualy less then 2-3 a week |
| 20:06.14 | CBG | Any of mine, ever? ;) |
| 20:06.15 | JeffM2501 | unless there has been a big mess |
| 20:06.32 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I think so, in some of the off topic sectiopns of help threads |
| 20:06.40 | JeffM2501 | like when a real thread springs up an OS war |
| 20:06.44 | CBG | Oh, bummer. |
| 20:06.49 | CBG | Heh, those threads are fun. :) |
| 20:06.52 | JeffM2501 | I'll clean em up later so it's just the info on how to solve the problem |
| 20:06.56 | JeffM2501 | they can be |
| 20:07.01 | Birdie | some are to "i want to post much" minded |
| 20:07.03 | JeffM2501 | that's why I wait like a month to clean em |
| 20:07.08 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:07.15 | JeffM2501 | most often I combine posts |
| 20:07.18 | Birdie | maybe for those status they get |
| 20:07.21 | JeffM2501 | for double posters |
| 20:07.49 | JeffM2501 | I am seriously thinking about removing rank |
| 20:07.57 | DTRemenak | I just delete both posts and send "don't be a postwhore" messages |
| 20:07.57 | Birdie | au |
| 20:07.59 | CBG | "barney" ? |
| 20:08.15 | Grumbler | "purple dinosaur" |
| 20:08.18 | CBG | DTR: good old fashioned disciplinarian, eh? |
| 20:08.23 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, 'this is mr. edit button... say hi to mr. edit button' |
| 20:08.26 | JeffM2501 | I'm going that low |
| 20:08.27 | CBG | Grumbler: I get that... but...? |
| 20:08.40 | CBG | he should "be" barney? |
| 20:08.54 | JeffM2501 | if they don't have the common sense to deal with people normaly, then they should not be posting. |
| 20:09.07 | Grumbler | well, wearing the purple suit is optional |
| 20:09.21 | Birdie | you even have purple cows:) |
| 20:09.30 | CBG | heh |
| 20:09.35 | JeffM2501 | the munchkins allways get at least 2 PMs before actions are taken |
| 20:09.40 | JeffM2501 | usualy 5-6 |
| 20:09.47 | JeffM2501 | my PM box is often full |
| 20:09.53 | Grumbler | heh |
| 20:09.53 | CBG | So, does nobody think that the game messing up its own conf file all by itself is a bad thing? |
| 20:10.02 | Birdie | i think i got 3 in my inbox:) |
| 20:10.05 | JeffM2501 | CBG, what is it doing? |
| 20:10.12 | Grumbler | maybe you should change rank to the number of PM slams one gets |
| 20:10.17 | CBG | Can you scroll up? I'm bone idle. |
| 20:10.26 | JeffM2501 | firm round radiosity |
| 20:10.30 | brlcad | ~dict consolence |
| 20:10.46 | CBG | condolence? |
| 20:11.07 | JeffM2501 | the radiosity won't let me scroll back |
| 20:11.19 | CBG | :/ |
| 20:11.42 | JeffM2501 | it's naughty radiostiy |
| 20:11.48 | CBG | Ok. 1. I have not eddited key mappings or my conf. |
| 20:12.16 | CBG | 2. My internet cut out, so I quit, waited and tried again, and the internet was working again... (i have this trouble often)... |
| 20:12.33 | CBG | 3. It said "Press Right Mouse to start". My start keys: I and Space did not work. |
| 20:12.45 | JeffM2501 | CBG, did your config just get horked? |
| 20:12.47 | CBG | 4. The error in Terminal is: There does not appear to be any key bound to enter the game |
| 20:12.50 | JeffM2501 | blow it out and rebuild it |
| 20:12.52 | CBG | horked? |
| 20:12.57 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:12.59 | JeffM2501 | horked |
| 20:13.01 | JeffM2501 | busted |
| 20:13.03 | JeffM2501 | corupted |
| 20:13.07 | JeffM2501 | had a problem in writing |
| 20:13.10 | JeffM2501 | made bad |
| 20:13.20 | CBG | It seems ok on quick inspection |
| 20:13.27 | JeffM2501 | rename it |
| 20:13.33 | JeffM2501 | run the game, is it all better? |
| 20:14.07 | CBG | hang on. bind I down restart, or whatever it should be has vanished. |
| 20:14.36 | JeffM2501 | tho it may be NSFW |
| 20:14.51 | CBG | ~NSFW |
| 20:15.09 | JeffM2501 | ibot NSFW is not safe for work |
| 20:15.11 | ibot | okay, JeffM2501 |
| 20:15.14 | CBG | lol |
| 20:15.48 | CBG | What would the line be to bind a key to "restart" or whatever..? |
| 20:15.53 | JeffM2501 | ibot needs to be able to search wikipedia |
| 20:16.01 | JeffM2501 | CBG, just quit |
| 20:16.01 | CBG | agreed. :) |
| 20:16.03 | brad2901 | ~wiki bzflag |
| 20:16.05 | JeffM2501 | rename your config |
| 20:16.14 | JeffM2501 | then relaunch |
| 20:16.23 | CBG | The conf is fine except for 2 missing lines. |
| 20:16.40 | JeffM2501 | that's not the same |
| 20:16.47 | JeffM2501 | CBG, just test it for me OK? |
| 20:17.00 | JeffM2501 | see if a new clean config works |
| 20:17.09 | CBG | well, I moved my conf to desktop and restarted and it worked (this was earlier) |
| 20:17.15 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:17.19 | JeffM2501 | did it eat itself again/ |
| 20:17.27 | JeffM2501 | or are you mucking with it? |
| 20:17.28 | CBG | but then the server said to /identify, I did and it said /identify is disabled |
| 20:17.43 | JeffM2501 | ohh good, you gave out your password :) |
| 20:17.45 | JeffM2501 | good for you |
| 20:17.53 | JeffM2501 | hope you like your account compromised :) |
| 20:17.54 | CBG | eh? |
| 20:17.57 | CBG | ...? |
| 20:18.01 | JeffM2501 | never trust a /identify server |
| 20:18.04 | bryjen | that's the server's fault. a bug which i have squashed for you in the upcoming 2.0.4 |
| 20:18.09 | CBG | The server uses global reg. |
| 20:18.14 | CBG | its a different password, silly. |
| 20:18.23 | JeffM2501 | then why would you /identify |
| 20:18.24 | CBG | Not the same as any of my global ones. |
| 20:18.30 | CBG | IT TOLD ME TO. :) |
| 20:18.39 | JeffM2501 | you do all things you are told to? |
| 20:18.45 | CBG | and wouldn't let me play untill i did. |
| 20:18.50 | bryjen | CBG: send us all your money |
| 20:18.52 | CBG | It was a league match, I needed to play. |
| 20:18.54 | gsnedders_hw | CBG: jump off a cliff. |
| 20:19.00 | CBG | bryjen: all 12 pence? |
| 20:19.03 | bryjen | money first, please ;) |
| 20:19.08 | CBG | gsnedders_hw, which one? |
| 20:19.09 | JeffM2501 | just doing /id will not change your config |
| 20:19.19 | gsnedders_hw | CBG: the highest cliff in the world |
| 20:19.22 | CBG | JeffM2501: I never said it would. |
| 20:19.28 | CBG | gsnedders_hw: which is? |
| 20:20.02 | JeffM2501 | so is your config good now? after you redid it? or did you muck with it? |
| 20:20.17 | CBG | JeffM2501: I did what you said about moving the conf and trying bz again (before you said to) and this is when it told me to /id. |
| 20:20.37 | CBG | after it redid it it wouldnt let me playbecause i couldnt /id... |
| 20:20.45 | CBG | I never ha dthat problem with my normal conf. |
| 20:20.51 | CBG | had that* |
| 20:20.54 | gsnedders_hw | cbg: i don't know :P |
| 20:20.59 | bryjen | try a different server |
| 20:20.59 | JeffM2501 | did you readd your username and password in game? |
| 20:21.01 | CBG | so I put my normal one back in. |
| 20:21.16 | JeffM2501 | I'll bet you didn't reset your username and password |
| 20:21.26 | JeffM2501 | since they get blown out when you rename your config |
| 20:21.37 | JeffM2501 | am I right? |
| 20:21.45 | bryjen | well, he'd have to put in a callsign, but he may have left password blank.... |
| 20:21.47 | CBG | if you dont enter your global password, it tells you to /id ? |
| 20:21.55 | CBG | bryjen: you may be right. |
| 20:22.19 | JeffM2501 | you didn't put your password in the join field I'll bet |
| 20:22.36 | JeffM2501 | it asked you to ID because you didn't globaly ID |
| 20:22.41 | CBG | ok. fine. |
| 20:22.50 | bryjen | CBG: that message is not completely accurate in early 2.0.x versions. it knows you've got a account somewhere (local or global) but the message is old and only references the local (/id) command |
| 20:23.00 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:23.12 | JeffM2501 | just put in your password in game, on a new config and you'll be good to go |
| 20:23.16 | CBG | pf. so, I have found an error, just not what I thought. :) |
| 20:23.18 | JeffM2501 | then change any setings you need to |
| 20:23.25 | JeffM2501 | you have a bad config |
| 20:23.28 | JeffM2501 | it happens some times |
| 20:23.31 | CBG | I will want to change ALL my settings... |
| 20:23.37 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:23.37 | bryjen | CBG: I've already fixed that misleading message for 2.0.4 |
| 20:23.39 | JeffM2501 | so change them |
| 20:23.41 | CBG | well, the game made it bad... |
| 20:23.47 | CBG | bryjen: ok. |
| 20:32.33 | JeffM2501 | sometimes the OS dosn'tsave it, |
| 20:32.40 | JeffM2501 | disks are not perfect :) |
| 20:36.03 | CBG | oh, it has to be OSX's fault!. :( |
| 20:36.09 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:36.12 | JeffM2501 | it could be the disk |
| 20:36.35 | JeffM2501 | we don't have 'screw the config' code in there that is run at random times |
| 20:36.37 | CBG | if it didnt save it, it would not be anything different? |
| 20:36.44 | JeffM2501 | it allways saves it |
| 20:36.44 | bryjen | cosmic rays from deep space flipping your bits |
| 20:36.48 | CBG | I havent even tried to change it |
| 20:36.56 | JeffM2501 | it's saved every time you play |
| 20:37.04 | CBG | even if nothing changes? |
| 20:37.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:37.11 | CBG | pf. |
| 20:37.25 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't know if anything did or not, so simpest thing is to just resave it |
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| 20:44.43 | JeffM2501 | I mean why should we NOT resave it? |
| 20:44.52 | JeffM2501 | the OS is suposed to work right? |
| 20:45.00 | CBG | ... here we go again. |
| 20:45.32 | JeffM2501 | I'm just saying |
| 20:45.36 | JeffM2501 | that's why we do it that way |
| 20:45.47 | JeffM2501 | there isn't any reason for it not to work, and it's a small file |
| 20:45.51 | JeffM2501 | so sometimes it just geeks |
| 20:45.52 | JeffM2501 | on any OS |
| 20:45.55 | JeffM2501 | it's rare tho |
| 20:46.49 | JeffM2501 | you could do a reread, compare, save, etc.. but it would be more work then nessisary for 99.9% of the cases |
| 20:47.57 | CBG | whats an easy way of cleaning out my conf, but putting ALL my settings back in? |
| 20:48.19 | JeffM2501 | compare a good and a bad and see what's dif |
| 20:48.33 | JeffM2501 | the move the good lines over |
| 20:48.41 | CBG | I only have the one. |
| 20:48.50 | CBG | move each line over one at a time? :( |
| 20:49.45 | Grumbler | white paranoia, it runs the show, go straight to jail and dont pass go........didnt he know it was a waste of time, all stitched up by a thin lil line |
| 20:50.17 | Grumbler | ...somehow that seemed relevant to the config issue |
| 20:51.21 | CBG | :/ |
| 20:59.32 | CBG | i have to go. i'll fix it tomorrow. thanks... :) |
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| 21:04.50 | JeffM2501 | because of course it HAS to be bzflag's fualt ;) |
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| 21:06.23 | JeffM2501 | sup G |
| 21:06.31 | RPG_ | uh.. hi :) |
| 21:06.44 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, when was the last time the dish was cleaned? |
| 21:06.45 | bryjen | ~spell amplifaction |
| 21:07.00 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, one small change to your instructions on the shoutbox thing |
| 21:07.03 | bryjen | hmm, a little more to the northeast |
| 21:07.07 | RPG_ | yes? |
| 21:07.09 | JeffM2501 | need the <?php thing around the include :) |
| 21:07.13 | RPG_ | ahhh |
| 21:07.13 | RPG_ | yes |
| 21:07.19 | JeffM2501 | it's working tho, thanks for it |
| 21:07.27 | JeffM2501 | that's simple enough, you should publish it |
| 21:07.34 | RPG_ | mennh |
| 21:07.41 | RPG_ | it has no administration whatsoever |
| 21:07.41 | JeffM2501 | like on chilliscripts |
| 21:07.47 | RPG_ | www.hotscript.com |
| 21:07.48 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 21:07.51 | JeffM2501 | flatfile can do it |
| 21:09.53 | JeffM2501 | vim can be there admin :) |
| 21:10.03 | JeffM2501 | I like it that it's simple to implement |
| 21:10.04 | RPG_ | vim? |
| 21:10.11 | JeffM2501 | yeah vim |
| 21:10.17 | JeffM2501 | VI |
| 21:10.29 | JeffM2501 | then with an m |
| 21:10.33 | Grumbler | vi, vim, vig.....its all ok |
| 21:10.34 | RPG_ | oh yes... linux text editor |
| 21:10.36 | JeffM2501 | don't remember what it stands for :) |
| 21:10.43 | JeffM2501 | not just linux |
| 21:10.47 | JeffM2501 | it's on OSX too |
| 21:10.51 | JeffM2501 | and unix |
| 21:10.54 | JeffM2501 | and the bsd |
| 21:10.55 | JeffM2501 | etc... |
| 21:11.16 | JeffM2501 | basicly you can asume they have a way to edit a simple file if need be, let them use that :) |
| 21:11.46 | RPG_ | do you see the conecpt of my flatfile system though? |
| 21:11.58 | JeffM2501 | I didn't actualy look at the file |
| 21:12.01 | Tupone | vi seems to stand for VIsual |
| 21:12.15 | JeffM2501 | I mostly liked the fact that basicly one paste gets the thing in there |
| 21:12.17 | JeffM2501 | very slick |
| 21:12.28 | RPG_ | every time something is added, PHP just appends to an HTML file, writes HTML formatting and all, and when someone requests the page, it loads in <iframe src="shoutbox.html">, where shoubox.html is the stuff the PHP part dumped. |
| 21:12.33 | JeffM2501 | was exactly what I needed |
| 21:12.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:12.45 | JeffM2501 | sounds simple enough |
| 21:12.57 | RPG_ | that way, no PHP is ever parsed if the user is just browsing around |
| 21:13.16 | Grumbler | He then developed vi as a "visual interface" to ex |
| 21:13.31 | JeffM2501 | what does the m part stand for then? |
| 21:14.01 | Grumbler | http://www.bellevuelinux.org/vi/history.html |
| 21:14.16 | Tupone | Vi IMproved |
| 21:14.29 | JeffM2501 | cus vi++ was supid :) |
| 21:15.08 | JeffM2501 | tho why the mac keyboard dosn't have an insert key boggles me, and screws up my vim flow |
| 21:15.09 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 21:15.32 | purple_cow | that's what the 'i' key is for |
| 21:15.42 | purple_cow | which is significantly closer to the home row ;) |
| 21:15.48 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:15.53 | JeffM2501 | but I'm used to hitin insert |
| 21:16.02 | JeffM2501 | so when I use the mac, I hit where instert SHOULD be |
| 21:16.06 | JeffM2501 | like 2 times |
| 21:16.11 | JeffM2501 | then hit i :) |
| 21:16.28 | Tupone | get a keyboard and remove all the extra keys :) |
| 21:16.42 | JeffM2501 | or I could get a real keyboard for the mac :) |
| 21:17.35 | Grumbler | or just throw away the mac |
| 21:18.15 | JeffM2501 | it has it's uses |
| 21:18.37 | Grumbler | beer coaster, paper weight..... :) |
| 21:18.49 | JeffM2501 | AIM, IRC, web browsin |
| 21:19.08 | JeffM2501 | it's also what plays music thru the sterio |
| 21:19.13 | JeffM2501 | and fills the ipod |
| 21:19.24 | JeffM2501 | and it takes up so little room |
| 21:19.31 | Grumbler | so i was right the first time.....beer coaster :) |
| 21:19.50 | JeffM2501 | naw, that's the printer's job |
| 21:20.07 | Grumbler | speaking of which, i need to ebay some printers |
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| 21:34.39 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/files/hosted/jeffm2501/052224.jpg |
| 21:35.07 | JeffM2501 | raidiosity might be a bit cold |
| 21:35.08 | brlcad | mmm.. radiosity |
| 21:35.48 | JeffM2501 | a decent modeling job too |
| 21:36.07 | brlcad | the polygonal hair is a little funny |
| 21:36.22 | JeffM2501 | I think it was to keep the anime style |
| 21:37.12 | JeffM2501 | and people wonder why women leave Japan by the droves |
| 21:37.36 | brlcad | the lens effect does it's job well in that picture, keeping the right focus |
| 21:37.48 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, it's not too bad at all |
| 21:38.07 | brlcad | unless you don't like then color blue |
| 21:38.09 | brlcad | then it's pretty bad |
| 21:38.38 | Tupone | I don't like whatever is blue colored there :( |
| 21:38.56 | JeffM2501 | Tupone dosn't like anything I post :( |
| 21:39.22 | Tupone | I don't like just a piece of that, the blue one |
| 21:39.33 | JeffM2501 | what about the tan/pink part? |
| 21:39.57 | Tupone | that look great, literally |
| 21:40.18 | JeffM2501 | there is a bit of a shine on the shirt that I don't think belongs |
| 21:41.33 | JeffM2501 | if he like radiosity |
| 21:41.36 | JeffM2501 | and chainguns |
| 21:42.10 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow liked chainguns |
| 21:42.32 | JeffM2501 | ibot x en it chaingun |
| 21:42.39 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 21:42.50 | JeffM2501 | see no imagination in ibot |
| 21:42.51 | Tupone | Mitragliatore |
| 21:42.57 | JeffM2501 | that's a long word |
| 21:43.01 | Tupone | lol |
| 21:43.13 | JeffM2501 | ibot x it en Mitragliatore |
| 21:43.28 | JeffM2501 | a chaingun in not exactly the saime |
| 21:43.40 | Tupone | ~x it en mitragliatrice |
| 21:43.50 | JeffM2501 | I guess it is a form of machine gun |
| 21:43.58 | JeffM2501 | but that's like saying a tank is a really cool truck |
| 21:44.22 | JeffM2501 | you know the round ones, with more then one barel? |
| 21:44.25 | JeffM2501 | that spin |
| 21:44.35 | TimRiker | gatling gun perhaps? |
| 21:44.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:44.58 | TimRiker | ~x en it gatling gun |
| 21:45.01 | JeffM2501 | they are also called mini guns too |
| 21:45.06 | TimRiker | heh |
| 21:45.06 | JeffM2501 | the electirc ones |
| 21:45.08 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 21:45.09 | bryjen | ~dict 1 Gatling gun |
| 21:45.29 | JeffM2501 | ibot dict chaingun |
| 21:45.35 | bryjen | ~dict 3 Gatling gun |
| 21:45.35 | JeffM2501 | I sux0z |
| 21:46.04 | JeffM2501 | calling it a machine gun just dosn't do it justice when you see it fire 1200 rounds per min |
| 21:46.23 | Tupone | whatever is, I don't like chain gun, expecially if I'm in its direction |
| 21:46.32 | JeffM2501 | no it's just in a movie |
| 21:46.38 | JeffM2501 | and very well rendered |
| 21:46.43 | _Manu_ | JeffM2501, 1200 rounds per minute! too expensive ;-p |
| 21:46.54 | JeffM2501 | gets the job done :) |
| 21:47.14 | bryjen | the "chain" part probly refers to the belt feed of ammo |
| 21:47.21 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 21:47.27 | Pimpinella | wow, i never again complain about cpu cooling problems |
| 21:47.34 | JeffM2501 | tho I don't belive the term is often used in non rotary guns tho |
| 21:47.44 | TimRiker | a friend of mine "Doug Furr" hold a number of patents on gatling gun improvements. He used to make replicas, and designed the gun used in the movie "Predator". |
| 21:47.47 | Pimpinella | how many seconds until the barrels start to melt? |
| 21:47.58 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, cool |
| 21:48.48 | TimRiker | yeah, "chain" refers to the ammo. the original gatlings, did not use chained ammo. just large gravity feed stacks. |
| 21:49.13 | JeffM2501 | they can also be called "belt feeds" if IIRC |
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| 21:50.00 | JeffM2501 | the one in preadetor was well done, I liked how it spun up first THEN fired :) |
| 21:50.11 | TimRiker | http://www.lakesideguns.com/t1gallery/1874.html <- that's one of his. fairly typical. |
| 21:50.34 | JeffM2501 | shinny |
| 21:51.18 | TimRiker | =) |
| 21:51.41 | TimRiker | he offered brass, silver, and gold plated units. |
| 21:51.42 | JeffM2501 | wish I could find a screenie of the one in the movie, was well renedered, on a good realistic vehicle |
| 21:51.53 | TimRiker | which movie? |
| 21:51.53 | bryjen | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_gun |
| 21:51.55 | JeffM2501 | who needs a gold plaited gattling gun? |
| 21:52.01 | JeffM2501 | it was called appleseed |
| 21:52.04 | JeffM2501 | an anime like one |
| 21:52.07 | JeffM2501 | but all CG |
| 21:52.20 | TimRiker | movie stars mostly. I recall that robert redford bought at least 4 of them. |
| 21:52.27 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 21:52.46 | JeffM2501 | the term "autocannon" is fun too |
| 21:53.02 | TimRiker | heh |
| 21:53.09 | bryjen | wikipedia says the chain is what drives the gun, connecting it to a motor |
| 21:53.14 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 21:53.21 | JeffM2501 | so then it would be rotary only then |
| 21:53.25 | JeffM2501 | interesting |
| 21:53.37 | bryjen | or some fool pulled that out his... |
| 21:53.41 | JeffM2501 | how did we know things before wikipedia? |
| 21:53.43 | JeffM2501 | it makes sense |
| 21:53.47 | TimRiker | bryjen: hmm. ok. I can accept that. the gatlings did not have a chain though. hand cranked. ;-) |
| 21:53.58 | JeffM2501 | a fair enough distinction |
| 21:54.35 | TimRiker | http://www.lakesideguns.com/t1gallery/camelgroup.html <- some different sized "camel" guns. |
| 21:55.01 | bryjen | so does the ammo explination. both possibly after-the-fact definitions on what have become common terms. like backcronyms. |
| 21:55.13 | JeffM2501 | why would oyu need that many shots to kill a camel? |
| 21:59.50 | JeffM2501 | it even has an entry on appleseed |
| 21:59.50 | JeffM2501 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appleseed |
| 22:00.42 | TimRiker | Best I can find. not a ship though: http://www.tmpforums.com/gallery/showphoto.php?photo=963&cat=609 |
| 22:01.02 | JeffM2501 | that's a landmate |
| 22:01.09 | JeffM2501 | used by ESWAT |
| 22:01.22 | TimRiker | the "camel" gun was small enough to be used on from camel-back. could be mounted on top of the camel hump. |
| 22:01.39 | JeffM2501 | that could not have made the camel happy |
| 22:02.18 | bryjen | as long as he can't turn the thing on you, you're OK ;) |
| 22:02.46 | JeffM2501 | as long as it dosn't run off scared with you on it when you fire :) |
| 22:04.47 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: there are a couple shots of what's likely the ship in the trailer on http://www.appleseedthemovie.com/ |
| 22:05.23 | JeffM2501 | it was more of a APC then a ship |
| 22:05.32 | JeffM2501 | but yes that's it in the start |
| 22:05.39 | TimRiker | I imagine the tough thing to remember it to stop shooting when swiveling the gun around. else you decapitate you're own camel. |
| 22:05.51 | JeffM2501 | that would be messy |
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| 22:28.18 | RPG_away | mapedit? |
| 22:28.31 | trepan | JeffM2501: what isn't working? |
| 22:28.52 | JeffM2501 | simple sdl context creation code |
| 22:28.53 | Aribeth | you didnt scrafice a player to them |
| 22:29.08 | JeffM2501 | same calls in another app work just fine |
| 22:29.12 | JeffM2501 | boggles my mind |
| 22:29.28 | JeffM2501 | it won't even flip to the clear color |
| 22:29.51 | JeffM2501 | RPG_away, no mapedit dosn't use SDL and works fine |
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| 22:37.13 | JeffM2501 | I must be missing something |
| 22:37.21 | JeffM2501 | or a message or something :( |
| 22:37.34 | JeffM2501 | should just make a makefile for it and try it elsewehere too |
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| 22:51.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: more trying to make the stuff work ( it dosn't ) |
| 22:51.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: add a makefile that may or may not work |
| 22:52.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/3D/src/display.cpp: flush before flip |
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