irclog2html for #bzflag on 20050901

`00:00.43`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10BZFlagG3D/ (12 files in 10 dirs): something that resembels a world parser`
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`00:10.27`	`I_Died_Once`	`Does anyone have a thousand or so bucks I can borrow?`
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`00:56.38`	`Grumbler`	`whoa, big difference between 17 and 17+.......17+ sucks`
`00:56.54`	`Grumbler`	`17+ has major GM firing lag issues`
`00:56.59`	`Grumbler`	`17 nothing`
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`01:45.00`	`learner`	`I_Died_Once, that you could borrow, uhm no sorry`
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`02:12.23`	`RPG_`	`hi`
`02:12.27`	`RPG_`	`found this strange bug`
`02:14.52`	`trepan`	`RPG_: congrats`
`02:15.03`	`RPG_`	`i suppose you want screnies`
`02:16.41`	`RPG_`	`http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bzfi00001wm.png`
`02:16.45`	`RPG_`	`ther's a normal pic`
`02:16.46`	`Grumbler`	`does it have eight legs and spits venom`
`02:17.05`	`RPG_`	`Grumbler: close`
`02:17.15`	`RPG_`	`here's the strange one: http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bzfi00012vc.png`
`02:17.33`	`RPG_`	`in the background of the starnge one, look at [SERVER->]m You do not....`
`02:17.40`	`RPG_`	`ther's an 'm'!`
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`02:17.50`	`RPG_`	`but it only appears when you're in the main menu`
`02:18.03`	`RPG_`	`get out of the main menu and the 'm' dissapears`
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`02:19.15`	`a_monkey`	`anyone recommend a good book to get a n00b some c++ knowledge?`
`02:19.58`	`a_monkey`	`so i can get good enough to understand... bzflag's source!`
`02:20.09`	`RPG_`	`personal experience`
`02:20.15`	`RPG_`	`it rules`
`02:20.27`	`RPG_`	`ask questions, try to edit stuff, make yourself look stupid`
`02:22.17`	`a_monkey`	`that's what i've been doing so far`
`02:22.23`	`RPG_`	`oh`
`02:22.28`	`a_monkey`	`JeffM2501 recommended i get a book`
`02:22.30`	`a_monkey`	`though`
`02:22.36`	`a_monkey`	`so i wondered if anybody knew of one`
`02:22.42`	`RPG_`	`nah`
`02:22.57`	`a_monkey`	`d'you know c++?`
`02:23.15`	`RPG_`	`whenever i go to the local Frys, there's books, but they're about specific topics such as cURL and GTK`
`02:23.19`	`RPG_`	`i know the basics of C++`
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`02:26.47`	`purple_cow`	`a_monkey: there are a huge number of resources online :P`
`02:32.59`	`JeffM2501`	`a_monkey, I recomened you learn`
`02:33.06`	`JeffM2501`	`online or off dosn'tmater`
`02:33.13`	`JeffM2501`	`I used the "C++ primer"`
`02:33.29`	`JeffM2501`	`but there are a MASIVE number of tuts online`
`02:33.39`	`a_monkey`	`i'll bet there is.`
`02:33.47`	`JeffM2501`	`just look`
`02:33.53`	`JeffM2501`	`it's hard to NOT find them`
`02:34.40`	`purple_cow`	`just seems silly to me to spend money on a book when there's such a wealth of knowledge online`
`02:34.50`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, true`
`02:34.57`	`JeffM2501`	`tho hard to read online in the tub`
`02:35.28`	`purple_cow`	`not necessarily`
`02:35.32`	`purple_cow`	`but that's what printers are for`
`02:36.24`	`JeffM2501`	`they don't allways bind the same`
`02:36.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I HAD to use a book when I learned`
`02:37.58`	`purple_cow`	`yeah. i'm not saying books are bad, i'm just saying that it's not worth the time or money to get a book without first looking online`
`02:38.36`	`JeffM2501`	`when I leanred, the term online had the word "america" in front of it`
`02:38.41`	`JeffM2501`	`or compuserve`
`02:39.07`	`menotume`	`yay, compuserve`
`03:12.43`	`I_Died_Once`	`compuserve woot`
`03:19.21`	`Grumbler`	`JeffM2501, 17+ has GM issues, 17 does not`
`03:19.45`	`JeffM2501`	`interesting`
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`07:50.36`	`SciDude`	`Kyle waives at friends`
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`12:24.08`	`_Manu_`	`hey.. now we can't beat the record.. ;-p`
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`12:28.08`	`menotume`	`wow, in 9 hours, only one person said one thing - that may be a record`
`12:28.52`	`Birdie`	`bzflag is active lately!`
`12:30.58`	`_Manu_`	`9 hours? I can see lots of messages.. may be your client ;)`
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`12:37.27`	`ruskie`	`hmm`
`12:39.21`	`menotume`	`i see only: <SciDude> Kyle waives at friends`
`12:39.32`	`menotume`	`and, a whole bunch of quit/joins`
`12:39.46`	`_Manu_`	`after it there are 10 messages`
`12:40.20`	`menotume`	`/un-deaf`
`12:40.41`	`menotume`	`/set deaf off ?`
`12:41.02`	`ruskie`	`erm manu then your the only one who sees them`
`12:41.34`	`_Manu_`	`no, others respond too`
`12:41.37`	`ruskie`	`after scidude and before menutone there is nothing but silence`
`12:42.04`	`menotume`	`manu: /set hallucination off`
`12:42.19`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`12:42.50`	`_Manu_`	`/set _Manu_ .lol off`
`12:44.41`	`jpa-`	`maybe some splitty splittiness?`
`12:44.47`	`jpa-`	`10:50:36 < SciDude> Kyle waives at friends`
`12:44.54`	`_Manu_`	`jpa-, just kidding`
`12:44.57`	`jpa-`	`that is 5 hours before menotume`
`12:45.07`	`jpa-`	`hmm`
`12:46.02`	`_Manu_`	`for making them cheking their irc clients ;)`
`12:48.21`	`ruskie`	`lol`
`12:48.25`	`ruskie`	`I never checked it :)`
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`13:03.27`	`jpa-`	`ack`
`13:04.07`	`jpa-`	`*pikachu`
`13:04.25`	`_Manu_`	`it's what my little kids are playing now... :)`
`13:05.30`	`ruskie`	`lol`
`13:05.34`	`jpa-`	`why not bzflag?`
`13:05.53`	`ruskie`	`yeah`
`13:06.01`	`ruskie`	`they sahould train to beat you manu :)`
`13:07.21`	`_Manu_`	`because if they plays bzflag then I can't :)`
`13:07.42`	`ruskie`	`why not?`
`13:08.25`	`_Manu_`	`because probably they gets banned for teamkilling k`
`13:08.43`	`ruskie`	`lol`
`13:08.49`	`ruskie`	`go play ffa first :)`
`13:09.25`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Tupone?`
`13:09.32`	`Ice_Wewe`	`guess not`
`13:09.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`can anyone here help me with my linker problem to GL?`
`13:10.50`	`Ice_Wewe`	`configure: WARNING: Client build has been requested, but GL is not fully available (missing gl.h)`
`13:10.51`	`Ice_Wewe`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:11.05`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I have gl.h, I have glu.h, I have opengl, what is wrong here?`
`13:11.10`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I have glui.h`
`13:11.24`	`_Manu_`	`probably interface paths`
`13:11.41`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I've tried ./configure --x-include=/usr/X11R6/include/`
`13:11.55`	`Ice_Wewe`	`_Manu_: fix`
`13:11.59`	`Ice_Wewe`	`_Manu_: fix?`
`13:12.12`	`_Manu_`	`what OS do you use?`
`13:12.26`	`Ice_Wewe`	`mandriva`
`13:13.37`	`Ice_Wewe`	`linux`
`13:14.29`	`_Manu_`	`its --x-includes=....`
`13:14.56`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I tried that`
`13:14.58`	`Ice_Wewe`	`no luck`
`13:15.15`	`Ice_Wewe`	`_Manu_: if you want, I can pastebin my config.log`
`13:16.05`	`_Manu_`	`I have no time at now... almost in lunch time :/`
`13:17.07`	`_Manu_`	`dunno for Mandriva but I assume you installed the dev packages right?`
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`13:20.01`	`Ice_Wewe`	`_manu_: yes`
`13:20.56`	`_Manu_`	`you can pastebin, I'll take a look later`
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`14:52.04`	`Tupone`	`Ice_Wewe: did you bzpastebin your log? you were missing libGLU.so last time`
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`16:26.44`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh the joy of the big ass drive copy....`
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`16:55.30`	`orange`	`would it be hard to have a way to proactively send the contents of a help file to a user?`
`16:55.35`	`orange`	`like:`
`16:55.50`	`orange`	`/sendhelp new_user teamkilling`
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`16:56.16`	`ibunny`	`ha!`
`16:56.17`	`orange`	`and 'teamkilling' would be a normal help file, available through '/help teamkilling' as well`
`17:00.01`	`Tupone`	`ibunny :)`
`17:00.15`	`ibunny`	`tupito`
`17:08.21`	`orange`	`menotume: what I mean is, instead of user "new_user' needing to type /help teamkilling`
`17:08.30`	`orange`	`an admin could type "/sendhelp "new_user" teamkilling`
`17:08.34`	`orange`	`and it would do exactly the same thing`
`17:08.37`	`menotume`	`right, so an admin could just send it to a player`
`17:08.43`	`menotume`	`good idea`
`17:08.56`	`orange`	`yes, without having to explain to them how to hit n, type blah blah blah`
`17:09.14`	`menotume`	`/sendhelp XXX ToBeAnAdmin <=== is one i'd use a lot`
`17:09.31`	`orange`	`yes, and /sendhelp XXX lag`
`17:09.51`	`menotume`	`/sendhelp XXX WhatAreTeams`
`17:09.53`	`menotume`	`etc`
`17:09.57`	`orange`	`right`
`17:09.58`	`menotume`	`:)`
`17:11.03`	`ibunny`	`menomeno <3`
`17:11.04`	`ToughShooter`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:11.39`	`menotume`	`ibunny: <3 :)`
`17:12.34`	`menotume`	`that should be: "-helpmsg filename name`
`17:12.39`	`bryjen`	`TS: file = the file the text is in name = the word to associate it with`
`17:12.58`	`bryjen`	`or /helpmsg filename topic`
`17:13.46`	`menotume`	`yes, even better`
`17:14.19`	`orange`	`you can add help on the fly?`
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`17:17.18`	`bryjen`	`there is no structure. they're just text blobs`
`17:18.38`	`ToughShooter`	`Yes, but that way it would be better from within a plug-in as it sounds a bit strange to give plugin the whole config file to parse`
`17:23.44`	`menotume`	`Steering char ?`
`17:23.52`	`orange`	`topic, I think`
`17:24.46`	`ToughShooter`	`Some char that is within ASCII-range but not used for typing due to being invisible`
`17:25.07`	`bryjen`	`a plugin need not deal with the text files. it can manipulate the in-memory data structure bzfs makes`
`17:26.30`	`Grumbler`	`good idea on the /sendhelp`
`17:30.18`	`ToughShooter`	`bryjen: From my understanding the plugins consist of a little piece of code that is linked to an API bzfs provides, any language can be used for plugins with backtracking. Not all languages could read raw memory...`
`17:31.01`	`orange`	`oooh, I could write a plugin in perl?`
`17:31.40`	`ToughShooter`	`I figured out a way to use Haskell as soon as the Mac plugins are working`
`17:32.04`	`Tupone`	`erlang ?`
`17:32.25`	`menotume`	`oh my. gonna exec something on each event ?`
`17:32.42`	`bryjen`	`no, not raw memory. the items are stored in a map and a vector of strings. the API could have functions to allow a plugin to add/edit/delete these items`
`17:33.18`	`Tupone`	`are erlang and Haskell similar?`
`17:33.33`	`ToughShooter`	`I don't know erlang`
`17:35.08`	`Tupone`	`me neither, I just read that it is a language like prolog (?) . Developed by Ericsson. Wings is build with erlang`
`17:36.56`	`ToughShooter`	`At least if erlang has networking capabilties it should be possible to use it (simply binding a port and sending data to it) with python help`
`17:37.31`	`Tupone`	`~dict MERCHANTIBILITY`
`17:37.35`	`JeffM2501`	`now taking linux distro recomendations for my main machine`
`17:37.41`	`Tupone`	`~spell MERCHANTIBILITY`
`17:37.57`	`Tupone`	`hehe Tim has to change near all files :)`
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`17:38.21`	`micmac`	`Hi all!`
`17:38.26`	`bryjen`	`~dict merchantability`
`17:38.54`	`micmac`	`Anyone experienced keyboard crashing playing bzflag?`
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`17:39.15`	`Tupone`	`TimRiker: talking about you :)`
`17:39.26`	`bryjen`	`"keyboard crashing" ?`
`17:39.48`	`micmac`	`Yes :D`
`17:40.00`	`ToughShooter`	`When you're beating your keyboard it may crash. ;) SCNR`
`17:40.11`	`micmac`	`It's not that my box locks up totally. It's just that after some time my keyboard doesn't work anymore.`
`17:40.16`	`micmac`	`:)`
`17:40.27`	`Tupone`	`micmac: OS ?`
`17:40.33`	`micmac`	`I've never had that before. It just happens when playing bzflag.`
`17:40.35`	`Tupone`	`I guess MacOSX`
`17:40.36`	`micmac`	`Linux`
`17:41.04`	`ToughShooter`	`Tupone: The keyboard bugs seem to be fixed on Mac OS X. :D`
`17:41.09`	`bryjen`	`sometimes if another window or dialog box pops up, it may be hidden behind BZFlag and have stolen keyboard focus`
`17:41.10`	`micmac`	`And it happens when playing fullscreen. So when it happens I can only hardreset my box.`
`17:41.16`	`Tupone`	`I just said because of the nick :)`
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`17:42.15`	`micmac`	`When it happens and I had my Num LED lightning I can press the button but nothing happens. So it seems it "hangs."`
`17:42.36`	`micmac`	`I'd test with a PS2 board but I don't have one.`
`17:42.55`	`micmac`	`But I don't really see how a keyboad'd be related to bzflag.`
`17:43.12`	`Tupone`	`micmac: I guess video driver or hardware or whatever is broken`
`17:43.49`	`micmac`	`Tupone, nope. Don't think so. I still can move my mouse and see the cursor move over the screen. I'm using kernel radeon driver. So no binary crap.`
`17:44.13`	`Tupone`	`what version of bzflag ?`
`17:44.18`	`micmac`	`Let me check.`
`17:44.46`	`micmac`	`2.0.2.20050318`
`17:45.07`	`Tupone`	`TimRiker: the disclaimer, in front of each package fail spell checking (MERCHANTIBILITY)`
`17:45.15`	`Tupone`	`s/package/file/`
`17:45.24`	`Tupone`	`micmac: with or without SDL ?`
`17:45.37`	`micmac`	`With SDL.`
`17:45.56`	`Tupone`	`what distro again ?`
`17:45.57`	`micmac`	`Kernel 2.6`
`17:46.01`	`micmac`	`Gentoo Linux.`
`17:46.15`	`micmac`	`They don't patch the bzflag source.`
`17:46.19`	`micmac`	`I checked.`
`17:46.41`	`micmac`	`They only change CFLAGS. Mine are -O2 -march=athlon-xp -pipe -fomit-frame-pointer, so nothing fancy.`
`17:46.54`	`Tupone`	`ctrl-alt-f1 works?`
`17:47.12`	`micmac`	`No, keyboard completely hangs.`
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`17:47.23`	`micmac`	`ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't either.`
`17:47.34`	`micmac`	`Nothing. It's fatal.`
`17:47.47`	`Tupone`	`I have gentoo too, and never hangs on me`
`17:47.48`	`bryjen`	`has says his num-lock LED does not even respond to pressing the key`
`17:47.53`	`Tupone`	`keyboard is PS/2`
`17:47.57`	`micmac`	`brad2901, true`
`17:48.41`	`micmac`	`I have this keyboard for almost a year and nothing like this has happened before. It's the usual Cherry USB. Nothing fancy either. No multimedi keyboard.`
`17:48.52`	`micmac`	`Just USB.`
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`17:49.00`	`Tupone`	`have you tried to go with ~x86 for the video driver?`
`17:49.21`	`Tupone`	`not that I know that something is bugged`
`17:49.34`	`Tupone`	`but I think is the video driver`
`17:49.40`	`micmac`	`:) I can't choose the video driver. It comes with xorg and the kernel. And video works fine (mouse cursor still moves).`
`17:50.12`	`micmac`	`Even my VDR software keeps working. Just the keyboard crashes.`
`17:50.12`	`Tupone`	`can you log from network ?`
`17:50.32`	`micmac`	`I haven't tried (can't) but I'm sure I could.`
`17:50.49`	`Tupone`	`and then try to kill bzflag, if that put back your system at work`
`17:51.11`	`micmac`	`Good idea. But I haven't got a second PC around :)`
`17:51.25`	`micmac`	`Argh :) Should have kept the laptop.`
`17:51.47`	`menotume`	`micmac: that can happen if another window pos up (like AIM)`
`17:52.08`	`menotume`	`oh, wait, no`
`17:52.13`	`Tupone`	`nothing in dmesg that can diagnose a problem on USB or some device?`
`17:52.16`	`bryjen`	`menotume: that' should make the lock keys LEDs stop working`
`17:52.16`	`micmac`	`:)`
`17:52.17`	`menotume`	`numlock doesn't do anything ?`
`17:52.21`	`menotume`	`right :)`
`17:52.43`	`micmac`	`Tupone, no, no kernel oopses. I checked.`
`17:52.46`	`micmac`	`:)`
`17:52.52`	`Tupone`	`I don't mean an oops`
`17:53.07`	`Tupone`	`just some device fault message`
`17:53.07`	`micmac`	`Nothing. Logs are clean.`
`17:53.17`	`bryjen`	`no dmesg after you've had to power-off the PC`
`17:53.34`	`micmac`	`I checked the syslog.`
`17:53.41`	`micmac`	`Tough nut :)`
`17:53.50`	`bryjen`	`the X server log too?`
`17:54.05`	`micmac`	`I checked that, too. Nothing.`
`17:54.11`	`Tupone`	`tryed to plug-out and plug-in keyboard ? lol ... going free with fantasy :)`
`17:54.32`	`menotume`	`got another PC on the LAN to shell in ?`
`17:54.32`	`micmac`	`Did that too. Num-lock still locked up. No reaction at all.`
`17:54.52`	`micmac`	`menotume, I don't have a LAN since I got rid of the laptop :)=(`
`17:55.01`	`menotume`	`okies`
`17:55.12`	`bryjen`	`ratz :( was hoping for "(EE) Your keyboard is FUBAR!" ;)`
`17:55.16`	`micmac`	`heh`
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`17:55.46`	`micmac`	`Not even a (WW) :)`
`17:56.04`	`micmac`	`Thanks anyway!`
`17:56.18`	`brad2901`	`<micmac> brad2901, true ?`
`17:56.36`	`bryjen`	`brad2901: bad nick completion`
`17:56.38`	`micmac`	`Regarding the num-lock situation:)=`
`17:56.42`	`brad2901`	`ah`
`17:56.52`	`bryjen`	`bryjen != brad2901`
`17:56.55`	`bryjen`	`brbrbr`
`17:56.58`	`brad2901`	`:)`
`17:58.32`	`Grumbler`	`bryjen > brad2901 != brad2901 > bryjen for absolute values of bz`
`17:59.28`	`menotume`	`simplified: 1`
`18:00.10`	`brad2901`	`ok. :)`
`18:01.09`	`Grumbler`	`i thought it was 49.....hmm, must have carried the wrong flag during integration`
`18:02.11`	`bryjen`	`this must be that "new" math...`
`18:04.01`	`Grumbler`	`yeah, my nephew taught me some......of course he likes rap, so it could all be fooey`
`18:04.09`	`menotume`	`Grumbler is always treu: (bryjen > brad2901 != brad2901 > bryjen)`
`18:04.44`	`Grumbler`	`treu? is that french math?......how much wine do i need to drink to make it work?`
`18:05.11`	`ToughShooter`	`dict treu`
`18:05.20`	`ToughShooter`	`~dict treu`
`18:05.28`	`micmac`	`treu is German.`
`18:05.39`	`ToughShooter`	`faithfully, AFAIR`
`18:06.18`	`micmac`	`yep`
`18:06.29`	`bryjen`	`german math, so s/wine/beer/`
`18:06.34`	`micmac`	`heh`
`18:07.11`	`micmac`	`You mean Einheitsvetoren? :)`
`18:07.16`	`micmac`	`*vektoren`
`18:09.42`	`ToughShooter`	`No, eigenvectors (they are an linear projection to the multiple of a matrix, which is called eigenvalues BTW)`
`18:11.09`	`ToughShooter`	`In other words matrixeigenvector=eigenvaluematrix`
`18:11.40`	`Tupone`	`:(`
`18:12.20`	`Tupone`	`unless eingenvector is actually eigenvectors`
`18:12.39`	`Tupone`	`s/n//`
`18:13.01`	`menotume`	`!wake TheLastSpartan`
`18:13.36`	`Tupone`	`matrixeigenvector=eigenvalueeigenvector ?`
`18:13.48`	`ToughShooter`	`That's how I remember it`
`18:14.09`	`Tupone`	`otherwise dimensionally is incoherent`
`18:14.15`	`ToughShooter`	`Hmm, one moment please. I'll look it up again :(`
`18:14.52`	`Chestal`	`Wikipedia knows all :-)`
`18:15.19`	`Chestal`	`A x = l x where l is eigenvalue and x is eigenvector`
`18:15.19`	`menotume`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eigenvalue,_eigenvector,_and_eigenspace`
`18:15.22`	`menotume`	`hehe`
`18:15.28`	`ToughShooter`	`wikipedia doesn't tell me how to read my own artifacts`
`18:15.43`	`DTRemenak`	`If d is an eigenvalue of T then an eigenvector of T for d is any nonzero vector v for which T(v)=dv`
`18:19.55`	`ToughShooter`	`Hrm, Tupone was right.`
`18:20.45`	`Tupone`	`I studied that only 26 years ago, so they are fresh in mind :)`
`18:20.57`	`DTRemenak`	`hehe`
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`18:21.09`	`Tupone`	`never used after :/`
`18:21.15`	`ToughShooter`	`Aww, I only had 3 months "holdidays"`
`18:21.56`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone, you mean you don't do linear algebra for fun?!?`
`18:22.07`	`Tupone`	`lol, nope :)`
`18:22.16`	`ToughShooter`	`~x de en Analysis`
`18:22.28`	`ToughShooter`	`bah`
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`18:22.41`	`DTRemenak`	`analysis is english too`
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`18:23.19`	`Inferno`	`hello`
`18:23.50`	`ToughShooter`	`Linear algebra for fun? How could one think of that? :o`
`18:24.10`	`DTRemenak`	`you should try it sometime :)`
`18:24.49`	`ToughShooter`	`I had the lucky experience of linear algebra already enough for my mind...`
`18:26.36`	`DTRemenak`	`no such thing as "enough" :)`
`18:27.00`	`ToughShooter`	`Even the ones who said it was easy (..) hadn't liked it`
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`18:27.42`	`DTRemenak`	`it's so nice and abstract though`
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`18:45.57`	`Win_XP`	`hi`
`18:46.34`	`Win_XP`	`anyone know how to test bzflag maps in linux I can't figure it out`
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`18:56.57`	`Grumbler`	`~fishslap Win_XP`
`18:56.58`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps Win_XP up side the head with a wet fish.`
`18:57.32`	`JeffM2501`	`isn't there suposed to be some sorta new gentoo installer?`
`18:58.00`	`Tupone`	`yeah, it should, some experimental disk I suppose`
`19:04.58`	`Tupone`	`http://www.die.unipd.it/pub/Linux/distributions/gentoo-sources/experimental/x86/livecd/x86/livecd-x86-2005.1.iso I guess`
`19:05.10`	`Tupone`	`that is from Italy :`
`19:08.03`	`JeffM2501`	`found a local one, thanks :)`
`19:08.25`	`Tupone`	`I never tested. I don't trust any installer :)`
`19:08.37`	`Tupone`	`unless I have a scratchable machine`
`19:08.39`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't trust myself`
`19:08.49`	`_Manu_`	`Tupone, nor yourself?`
`19:08.54`	`_Manu_`	`:)`
`19:08.55`	`JeffM2501`	`it's going to go on it's own drive`
`19:09.30`	`Tupone`	`_Manu_: I don't trust myself too`
`19:10.26`	`Tupone`	`just I trust the automatic one much less then me, at this point`
`19:10.41`	`DTRemenak`	`hehe :)`
`19:11.15`	`_Manu_`	`Tupone, me neither but what I install works.. heh`
`19:12.19`	`_Manu_`	`works as I expected, not like others expected ;)`
`19:12.58`	`Tupone`	`sometime :) after scratching good & unique data, my trust on anything has gone down`
`19:13.24`	`_Manu_`	`hehe`
`19:14.42`	`Tupone`	`_Manu_: would you mind coming and testing /ban and /hostban ?`
`19:15.04`	`Tupone`	`well better not now it segfaulted`
`19:15.19`	`_Manu_`	`can't now.. gotta go for a party in a bit :)`
`19:16.16`	`_Manu_`	`but tomorrow morning I can if you get time`
`19:16.28`	`Tupone`	`and no segv :)`
`19:16.32`	`_Manu_`	`:)`
`19:16.52`	`_Manu_`	`just curious: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5097`
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`19:17.09`	`_Manu_`	`how ppl blame on the respawn thing :)`
`19:26.41`	`Grumbler`	`spawn is rough`
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`20:24.02`	`TD-Linux`	`bzflag messes up windows XP`
`20:25.17`	`TD-Linux`	`anyone want some info?`
`20:26.48`	`BenUrban`	`TD-Linux: windows xp messes up bzflag, you mean`
`20:27.02`	`BenUrban`	`oh whoops that just kinda slipped out`
`20:28.59`	`JeffM2501`	`the bzflag app itself can't do anything to XP, if your XP has problems, it is because your XP has problems.`
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`20:45.21`	`TD-Linux`	`hmmm`
`20:45.40`	`TD-Linux`	`because after I exit bzflag, the GIMP won't run, and neither will ATI Control Center`
`20:46.09`	`JeffM2501`	`sounds like a problem with your drivers`
`20:46.15`	`TD-Linux`	`hmmm`
`20:46.16`	`JeffM2501`	`do you have the latest ones?`
`20:46.17`	`TD-Linux`	`yes`
`20:46.24`	`JeffM2501`	`you SURE?`
`20:46.28`	`TD-Linux`	`YES`
`20:46.37`	`TD-Linux`	`I update frequently`
`20:46.44`	`JeffM2501`	`then it sucks that ATI can't handle simple openGL calls`
`20:46.53`	`TD-Linux`	`maybe I should say bye-bye to Control Center and install the other version`
`20:47.09`	`TD-Linux`	`Control Center is still new`
`20:47.26`	`TD-Linux`	`it shouldn't make a difference, though`
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`20:47.32`	`TD-Linux`	`HI!`
`20:47.42`	`Meteorite`	`hey`
`20:48.00`	`TD-Linux`	`maybe I should just uninstall the drivers completely and reinstall?`
`20:48.07`	`TD-Linux`	`I have come accross another problem`
`20:48.10`	`TD-Linux`	`the computer won't shut down`
`20:48.17`	`Meteorite`	`lol`
`20:48.20`	`TD-Linux`	`it can't because an application won't relese the registry`
`20:48.25`	`Meteorite`	`brb`
`20:48.33`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe you should get a real video card, with some real drivers ;)`
`20:48.34`	`TD-Linux`	`I got that info from an ATI system message log`
`20:48.45`	`TD-Linux`	`hmm... could it be ATI that is doing it?`
`20:48.56`	`TD-Linux`	`it's an X700PRO, midrange at the time`
`20:49.12`	`JeffM2501`	`it's only as good as it's crapy drivers`
`20:49.29`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, well since you can't run THERE application`
`20:49.34`	`JeffM2501`	`it may be THERE problem`
`20:49.53`	`TD-Linux`	`have you seen the bug fix lists on the ATI drivers?`
`20:49.59`	`TD-Linux`	`they are pages and pages long`
`20:50.13`	`JeffM2501`	`one reason I don't use ATI`
`20:50.20`	`TD-Linux`	`apparently, they have to change the driver for every new game that comes out`
`20:50.47`	`JeffM2501`	`probably because the find a thing in that game that crashes them`
`20:50.50`	`bryjen`	`fixing lots of bugs is good. having so many in the first place... not su muc :/`
`20:50.56`	`bryjen`	`s/muc/much`
`20:51.16`	`JeffM2501`	`they are geting better then they were in the past`
`20:53.11`	`TD-Linux`	`yes`
`20:53.18`	`TD-Linux`	`I have 5.8, I think`
`20:53.22`	`TD-Linux`	`I updated a week ago`
`20:53.28`	`TD-Linux`	`I bet there is another out already ;)`
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`21:12.02`	`Inferno`	`hello`
`21:12.14`	`RPG_`	`hi`
`21:12.24`	`RPG_`	`buenos diaz!`
`21:12.38`	`Inferno`	`umm, I dunno`
`21:13.03`	`Inferno`	`rpg, have you worked on any bzclients before?`
`21:13.08`	`RPG_`	`a little`
`21:13.15`	`Inferno`	`like in php?`
`21:13.33`	`RPG_`	`havn't made a PHP client yet, although for masterbot I probably will`
`21:13.55`	`Inferno`	`you know about the "pack" stuff`
`21:14.00`	`Inferno`	`can you help me with that`
`21:14.02`	`RPG_`	`borderline`
`21:14.26`	`RPG_`	`i know about PHP's pack(), but C++'s pack(), i should just pack() up and stop talkign :)`
`21:14.40`	`Inferno`	`lol, I want php :)`
`21:14.47`	`RPG_`	`oh`
`21:14.50`	`RPG_`	`hokay`
`21:14.54`	`Inferno`	`have you got a bot to log on to a seerver?`
`21:14.59`	`RPG_`	`thru BZAdmin`
`21:15.05`	`RPG_`	`but in the end, we want to do it via PHP`
`21:15.06`	`Inferno`	`OH`
`21:15.17`	`RPG_`	`blast007 has some code that's in PHP that connects to clients`
`21:15.41`	`Inferno`	`do you have it?`
`21:15.53`	`RPG_`	`yes`
`21:15.57`	`RPG_`	`but it only works with PHP 5`
`21:15.59`	`RPG_`	`and i have PHP 4`
`21:16.00`	`Inferno`	`can you send me some?`
`21:16.02`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Unified handling of time in ban commands`
`21:16.32`	`RPG_`	`hmmm`
`21:16.35`	`RPG_`	`looks liek i deleted it`
`21:16.38`	`RPG_`	`'cause it didn't work`
`21:16.47`	`Inferno`	`lol, really`
`21:16.51`	`RPG_`	`yea`
`21:16.58`	`RPG_`	`i have a bad habit of doing that`
`21:17.05`	`Inferno`	`well, wizart gave me this temp for paxk before...`
`21:17.12`	`Inferno`	`and it worked`
`21:17.18`	`RPG_`	`cool`
`21:17.26`	`Tupone`	`code that connect to bz client ? hmm that is hard`
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`21:17.41`	`Inferno`	`only thing is, I have same problem, I deleted it`
`21:17.45`	`RPG_`	`heh`
`21:18.19`	`Inferno`	`do you know when wizart is usually on?`
`21:18.57`	`RPG_`	`not me`
`21:19.01`	`RPG_`	`~seen wizart`
`21:19.03`	`ibot`	`wizart is currently on #bzflag (22h 25m 9s) #bzleague (22h 25m 9s). Has said a total of 16 messages. Is idling for 31m 23s`
`21:19.03`	`Inferno`	`oh`
`21:19.04`	`RPG_`	`ibot knows`
`21:19.08`	`RPG_`	`oh`
`21:19.10`	`RPG_`	`he's here now`
`21:19.34`	`Inferno`	`yeah, but he isn't talking to me`
`21:19.57`	`RPG_`	`maybe he's sleeping`
`21:20.09`	`Inferno`	`to connect to bz you send "--> id, type, team, name, email address"`
`21:20.15`	`Inferno`	`and it hasta be packed`
`21:20.58`	`Inferno`	`do you know what id, type, team is suposed to equal`
`21:21.19`	`JeffM2501`	`look at the pack code in the client`
`21:21.30`	`Inferno`	`it's C code`
`21:21.44`	`Inferno`	`and c shorts and longs are defined different!`
`21:22.00`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`21:22.04`	`JeffM2501`	`short = 16 bits`
`21:22.08`	`JeffM2501`	`lone = 32`
`21:22.10`	`Inferno`	`in c?`
`21:22.13`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`21:22.31`	`Inferno`	`ok, personally I don't even know what I'm talking about`
`21:22.43`	`JeffM2501`	`then why talk about it?`
`21:23.07`	`Inferno`	`I'm a hussler, lol`
`21:23.13`	`Inferno`	`I figure it out :p`
`21:23.16`	`JeffM2501`	`somehow I doubt that`
`21:23.41`	`JeffM2501`	`what are you trying to do?`
`21:24.15`	`Inferno`	`figure out the template for --> id, type, team, name, email address`
`21:24.25`	`JeffM2501`	`it's right there in the code`
`21:24.26`	`JeffM2501`	`but why?`
`21:24.35`	`JeffM2501`	`what are you going to connect with?`
`21:24.37`	`Inferno`	`so I can connect to bz`
`21:24.40`	`Inferno`	`perl`
`21:24.43`	`JeffM2501`	`eww`
`21:24.49`	`Inferno`	`I'm making a bot :)`
`21:24.50`	`JeffM2501`	`there is perl code that does that allready`
`21:24.53`	`JeffM2501`	`of course you are`
`21:24.59`	`Inferno`	`KOOL, where is it`
`21:25.04`	`JeffM2501`	`in the source`
`21:25.06`	`JeffM2501`	`in misc`
`21:25.23`	`Inferno`	`ok, where in the internet is "misc"`
`21:25.38`	`JeffM2501`	`Sigh`
`21:25.45`	`JeffM2501`	`in the bzflag source distrobution`
`21:25.49`	`JeffM2501`	`do you EVEN have that?`
`21:25.51`	`Inferno`	`it's c though`
`21:25.58`	`JeffM2501`	`good lard`
`21:25.58`	`Inferno`	`yeah, I downloaded it`
`21:26.00`	`JeffM2501`	`ok`
`21:26.06`	`JeffM2501`	`there is a dir`
`21:26.09`	`JeffM2501`	`called misc`
`21:26.14`	`JeffM2501`	`it has a perl file in it`
`21:26.17`	`Inferno`	`k`
`21:26.21`	`JeffM2501`	`that connects to bzfs and gets the player count`
`21:26.29`	`Inferno`	`sweet, thx`
`21:26.35`	`JeffM2501`	`it will send in your login`
`21:26.49`	`Inferno`	`is it the query one?`
`21:26.57`	`JeffM2501`	`but you will HAVE to at least know how to check the code for the packing order, for the other messages, or you will get nowhere`
`21:27.05`	`JeffM2501`	`how many perl files are in misc?`
`21:27.12`	`Inferno`	`5`
`21:27.22`	`JeffM2501`	`open them all and see what they do :)`
`21:27.30`	`JeffM2501`	`it's called 'research'`
`21:27.40`	`Inferno`	`I already am`
`21:28.22`	`Inferno`	`does it go through BZadmin?`
`21:28.32`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`21:28.39`	`JeffM2501`	`it's basicly the code ibot uses`
`21:28.53`	`Inferno`	`oh, but I want bzclient`
`21:29.06`	`JeffM2501`	`huh?`
`21:29.24`	`Inferno`	`is it IRC or BZ client?`
`21:29.31`	`JeffM2501`	`what?`
`21:29.40`	`JeffM2501`	`it's perl code to login as a fake client`
`21:29.43`	`JeffM2501`	`and get a player count`
`21:29.49`	`JeffM2501`	`it is just a sample`
`21:29.52`	`JeffM2501`	`there isn't a perl bot`
`21:30.03`	`JeffM2501`	`I was showing you an example of perl that connects to bflag`
`21:30.05`	`Inferno`	`yeah, does it log into #bzflag?`
`21:30.09`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`21:30.15`	`Inferno`	`oh, ok`
`21:30.20`	`JeffM2501`	`why would it?`
`21:30.35`	`Inferno`	`you menchined ibot...`
`21:30.39`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`21:30.43`	`JeffM2501`	`it is the same code ibot USES`
`21:30.49`	`Inferno`	`k`
`21:30.49`	`JeffM2501`	`that does not mean it IS ibot`
`21:30.57`	`Inferno`	`yeah...`
`21:31.14`	`JeffM2501`	`but again,you are going to HAVE to be able to use the bzflag code, if you want more messages then just login`
`21:31.24`	`JeffM2501`	`what kind of bot are you making?`
`21:31.49`	`Inferno`	`I'm planning on making a smart one, that doesn't go negative`
`21:31.59`	`JeffM2501`	`oh`
`21:32.02`	`RPG_`	`have fun with that`
`21:32.07`	`JeffM2501`	`then you have to support every message`
`21:32.08`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`21:32.09`	`Inferno`	`you can laugh`
`21:32.12`	`JeffM2501`	`that's alot`
`21:32.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm sure it's posible`
`21:32.30`	`JeffM2501`	`but you are going to have to find the pack structure of every other mesage`
`21:32.40`	`JeffM2501`	`and for that you will have to use the code as a refrence`
`21:32.44`	`Inferno`	`yeah, I'll learn, somehow`
`21:33.06`	`JeffM2501`	`why perl?`
`21:33.23`	`Inferno`	`cause I LOVE perl`
`21:33.36`	`JeffM2501`	`umm ok`
`21:33.41`	`JeffM2501`	`when do you expect to have it done?`
`21:34.02`	`Inferno`	`depends how school interferes`
`21:34.08`	`JeffM2501`	`ahhh a kid`
`21:34.11`	`JeffM2501`	`got it`
`21:34.18`	`Inferno`	`what`
`21:34.20`	`JeffM2501`	`you have to replicate the entire gamestate in perl too`
`21:34.25`	`JeffM2501`	`that's gonna be a lot of work`
`21:34.39`	`Inferno`	`hey, I'm going into seniors college`
`21:34.52`	`RPG_`	`major?`
`21:35.00`	`Inferno`	`I'm kidding...`
`21:35.07`	`Inferno`	`I'm a freshman`
`21:35.12`	`RPG_`	`in?`
`21:35.21`	`Inferno`	`hisgschool`
`21:35.29`	`Inferno`	`highschool`
`21:35.30`	`RPG_`	`big bad world an't it?`
`21:35.43`	`Inferno`	`not for me :)`
`21:35.48`	`Inferno`	`I'm online schooled`
`21:35.49`	`JeffM2501`	`like I said, a kid`
`21:36.02`	`JeffM2501`	`ahhh a homeschooler, that is why no research skills`
`21:36.07`	`RPG_`	`online schooled?`
`21:36.19`	`RPG_`	`building schools are much funner`
`21:36.26`	`JeffM2501`	`homeschool, where the parent dosn't take the time teach`
`21:36.26`	`Inferno`	`yeah, that's why I have research SKILLS !!!`
`21:36.42`	`JeffM2501`	`Inferno, then why do you ask here, instead of researching the code? :)`
`21:36.56`	`Inferno`	`I did`
`21:36.59`	`Inferno`	`I googled like 50 searches`
`21:37.12`	`Inferno`	`I talked on all the bzflag servers`
`21:37.18`	`JeffM2501`	`but you didn't even open the source to find the messge to see how it's packed?`
`21:37.25`	`Inferno`	`I did`
`21:37.27`	`JeffM2501`	`asking is not the same as just looking in the stuff yourself`
`21:37.28`	`Inferno`	`but it's c`
`21:37.32`	`JeffM2501`	`so learn basic C`
`21:37.38`	`JeffM2501`	`it's not rocket science`
`21:37.40`	`Tupone`	`if you are looking for skill google it`
`21:37.44`	`Inferno`	`exactly, that'`
`21:37.51`	`Inferno`	`ss not what I'm planning on doing`
`21:37.54`	`JeffM2501`	`hell all you have to do is get the freaking datatypes`
`21:38.15`	`JeffM2501`	`all 4 of them`
`21:38.16`	`Inferno`	`I'm a perl programmer, and a newbie, forgive me`
`21:38.36`	`JeffM2501`	`language is language, its the programer part that matters`
`21:38.40`	`JeffM2501`	`don't fear C`
`21:38.44`	`JeffM2501`	`it's just a language`
`21:39.01`	`JeffM2501`	`just like perl or python, or anything else`
`21:39.10`	`Inferno`	`oh, I guess you have a point there`
`21:39.26`	`Inferno`	`but I think I'll hire a dolphin to do the programming from now on :)`
`21:39.29`	`JeffM2501`	`because basicly you are saying you are going to reimplment the core of the client from one langauge to another`
`21:40.00`	`Inferno`	`it's all nuumbers 'n points, no graphics`
`21:40.05`	`JeffM2501`	`you are going to have a lot of data to unpack`
`21:40.16`	`RPG_`	`tons of it`
`21:40.20`	`JeffM2501`	`Inferno, you have to know about the world, you are doing the same thing, just not drawing it`
`21:40.24`	`JeffM2501`	`drawing is the simple part`
`21:40.44`	`Inferno`	`I'll start out with just a plane woeld`
`21:40.52`	`JeffM2501`	`you have to store the world in full 3d, to know how to move around it :)`
`21:41.01`	`Inferno`	`yeah...`
`21:41.14`	`JeffM2501`	`so you are still doing the same 3d math`
`21:41.18`	`Inferno`	`BTW, did you know there's ppl making bz web based?`
`21:41.27`	`JeffM2501`	`you mean masterbot?`
`21:41.27`	`Inferno`	`PHP...`
`21:41.33`	`Inferno`	`no, not a bot`
`21:41.44`	`JeffM2501`	`php would be far too slow to run a game`
`21:41.47`	`RPG_`	`masterbot is a way for admins to administer their servers via HTTP`
`21:41.51`	`JeffM2501`	`unless it was suplimented by java`
`21:41.56`	`TD-Linux`	`yes, in fact I'm working on it right now`
`21:42.05`	`RPG_`	`it will implememnt a PHP system that messages BZFS to perform actions... hopefully`
`21:42.05`	`TD-Linux`	`it will be up soon`
`21:42.06`	`Inferno`	`see`
`21:42.10`	`TD-Linux`	`it works`
`21:42.14`	`TD-Linux`	`it is working`
`21:42.17`	`RPG_`	`great`
`21:42.21`	`TD-Linux`	`it isn't pretty, but it works`
`21:42.21`	`RPG_`	`let's get back to #masterbot :)`
`21:42.56`	`JeffM2501`	`Inferno, what are they doing in php? client or server?`
`21:43.11`	`TD-Linux`	`client`
`21:43.26`	`TD-Linux`	`check out sourceforge.net/projects/masterbot`
`21:43.32`	`TD-Linux`	`check out cvs`
`21:43.34`	`TD-Linux`	`or`
`21:43.34`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, I know what masterbot is`
`21:43.37`	`TD-Linux`	`go to:`
`21:43.39`	`JeffM2501`	`he said it was NOT masterbot`
`21:43.42`	`TD-Linux`	`oh`
`21:43.43`	`TD-Linux`	`oops`
`21:43.45`	`JeffM2501`	`read`
`21:43.50`	`Inferno`	`client`
`21:43.51`	`TD-Linux`	`thought he was talking to me, sorry`
`21:43.55`	`JeffM2501`	`and I think you are going the wrong way with masterbot anyway`
`21:44.03`	`RPG_`	`really?`
`21:44.05`	`TD-Linux`	`I think I am`
`21:44.06`	`JeffM2501`	`Inferno, how is that going to work at any playable speed?`
`21:44.19`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, best to do a plugin with it's own list server`
`21:44.28`	`Inferno`	`I donno, I just went on a server where they where testing`
`21:44.31`	`JeffM2501`	`sorry own web server`
`21:44.40`	`JeffM2501`	`Inferno, and this server was?`
`21:44.54`	`Inferno`	`and they kicked me after my inquiry`
`21:45.01`	`Inferno`	`it ain't up no more`
`21:45.08`	`JeffM2501`	`I see`
`21:45.16`	`Inferno`	`yeah`
`21:45.18`	`JeffM2501`	`well best of luck to them`
`21:45.29`	`Inferno`	`sure...`
`21:45.37`	`JeffM2501`	`"php bzflag... because the C++ isn't slow enough" should be the tagline :)`
`21:45.42`	`Inferno`	`I think it'd stink to have laggy ppl coming from the web!`
`21:46.29`	`JeffM2501`	`ya think`
`21:46.40`	`Inferno`	`yeah`
`21:46.54`	`Inferno`	`even though I'm "not very good" at i`
`21:46.56`	`Inferno`	`t`
`21:52.02`	`RPG_`	`JeffM: can you add functions to mute and unmute people in the API?`
`21:52.29`	`JeffM2501`	`you mean is it posible? or you want me to do it?`
`21:52.36`	`RPG_`	`i'd like you to do it`
`21:52.40`	`JeffM2501`	`I belive it's a perm change`
`21:52.43`	`JeffM2501`	`so you have the ability to do that`
`21:52.46`	`RPG_`	`oh`
`21:52.46`	`RPG_`	`ok`
`21:52.54`	`RPG_`	`so /mute gives someone the MUTE perm?`
`21:53.04`	`RPG_`	`is that a new change?`
`21:53.04`	`JeffM2501`	`is there a mute perm?`
`21:53.07`	`RPG_`	`yes`
`21:53.18`	`RPG_`	`errr, it's not giving them TALK`
`21:53.26`	`JeffM2501`	`I am prety sure it's been that way for ever`
`21:53.51`	`RPG_`	`how do you think we should make masterbot into a plugin?`
`21:54.04`	`RPG_`	`i thought about it, but didn't find anyway to transfer data via socket to the plugin from the web sever`
`21:54.04`	`JeffM2501`	`imbed a web server`
`21:54.26`	`JeffM2501`	`then pass data via URL`
`21:54.48`	`JeffM2501`	`then you don't even need another webserver, the game server could be it's OWN webserver`
`21:54.51`	`JeffM2501`	`on any port`
`21:54.52`	`RPG_`	`but how can the plugin look for connections, if it's only run when an event is triggered?`
`21:55.06`	`JeffM2501`	`one of the events is a "tick" event`
`21:55.09`	`JeffM2501`	`run ever loop thru`
`21:55.10`	`RPG_`	`oh`
`21:55.29`	`RPG_`	`in that case... it can be done`
`21:55.36`	`JeffM2501`	`I know it can`
`21:55.48`	`Inferno`	`yo jeff, that pl thingy doesn't register a callsign`
`21:55.48`	`JeffM2501`	`that was one of the ideas for the python plugin`
`21:55.53`	`JeffM2501`	`imbed a twisted web server`
`21:55.55`	`JeffM2501`	`and go to town`
`21:56.04`	`JeffM2501`	`Inferno, I know`
`21:56.08`	`JeffM2501`	`it's just the basic login`
`21:56.09`	`RPG_`	`my idea was to use PHP to send packets to the plugin, simple packets, such as "BAN <playername> <authentication>"`
`21:56.10`	`Inferno`	`k`
`21:56.15`	`JeffM2501`	`it dosn't join as a player`
`21:56.19`	`JeffM2501`	`like I said like 5 times`
`21:56.26`	`JeffM2501`	`you are going to have to do a lot of messages`
`21:56.26`	`Inferno`	`i guess i can learn`
`21:56.32`	`JeffM2501`	`you guess?`
`21:56.40`	`Inferno`	`i know`
`21:57.24`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a big task you are undertaking`
`21:57.31`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe you should start a tad smaller :)`
`21:57.42`	`RPG_`	`Inferno: why not just make a patch to better the BZFlag bot?`
`21:57.44`	`Inferno`	`maybe you can just give me the login part`
`21:57.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't know it off the top of my head`
`21:57.57`	`JeffM2501`	`check the code`
`21:58.00`	`JeffM2501`	`it's all there`
`21:58.10`	`Inferno`	`where's the BZFlag bot?`
`21:58.15`	`JeffM2501`	`in the client`
`21:58.29`	`Inferno`	`it is c...`
`21:58.38`	`JeffM2501`	`C++ actualy`
`21:58.43`	`Inferno`	`oh`
`21:58.46`	`JeffM2501`	`same place you have to go to get your messages`
`21:58.54`	`Inferno`	`tell me what src file to look at`
`21:59.03`	`JeffM2501`	`for the messags?`
`21:59.11`	`Inferno`	`yeah`
`21:59.26`	`JeffM2501`	`most client messages are in playing.cxx`
`21:59.33`	`Inferno`	`k, thx`
`22:00.48`	`JeffM2501`	`you may also want to look at pybzflag`
`22:00.58`	`Inferno`	`a file?`
`22:01.04`	`JeffM2501`	`it's an implemenation of an older bzflag protocoll in python`
`22:01.10`	`JeffM2501`	`no the project`
`22:01.12`	`JeffM2501`	`pybzflag`
`22:02.34`	`*** join/#bzflag wizart (n=wizart@dsl-084-058-135-172.arcor-ip.net)`
`22:04.40`	`Inferno`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:05.03`	`Inferno`	`hey wizart!`
`22:08.17`	`*** join/#bzflag Inferno285 (n=470a4a9d@webchat.bzflag.bz)`
`22:08.30`	`Inferno285`	`somebody registered my name!`
`22:08.59`	`JeffM2501`	`well it's a big network, did you think it wasn't allready taken?`
`22:09.22`	`Inferno285`	`neh, I've had it for over 2 years`
`22:09.50`	`JeffM2501`	`did you register it?`
`22:10.06`	`Inferno285`	`I registerd "it" with 285`
`22:10.22`	`JeffM2501`	`then it's yours`
`22:10.27`	`JeffM2501`	`unless you let it expire`
`22:10.47`	`Inferno285`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:10.59`	`Inferno285`	`but not with out 285`
`22:11.11`	`Inferno285`	`YEAH BUT NOT WITH @*%!`
`22:11.16`	`Inferno285`	`not it works`
`22:11.20`	`Inferno285`	`now*`
`22:11.59`	`JeffM2501`	`I have no idea what you are talking about`
`22:12.09`	`JeffM2501`	`and why don't you use a real IRC client?`
`22:12.28`	`Inferno285`	`cause, where do you get xchat from?`
`22:13.01`	`JeffM2501`	`take a guess`
`22:13.46`	`Inferno285`	`xchat.com :p`
`22:13.53`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`22:13.56`	`Inferno285`	`I'm too lazy to figure out right now`
`22:13.56`	`JeffM2501`	`but close`
`22:14.01`	`Inferno285`	`.org?`
`22:14.11`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah, give it the old homeschool "mehh"`
`22:14.29`	`Inferno285`	`shut up, I'm not homeschooled`
`22:14.44`	`Inferno285`	`ok, I take that back`
`22:14.51`	`Inferno285`	`but I'm not like that`
`22:14.57`	`JeffM2501`	`if you say so`
`22:17.48`	`Birdie`	`inferno: it wouldnt mean anything if you are homeschooled or not, homeschooled can be good to, i know several good examples!`
`22:18.17`	`JeffM2501`	`yes it can be`
`22:18.25`	`JeffM2501`	`if the teachers put effort into it`
`22:18.37`	`JeffM2501`	`sadly many don't seem to`
`22:19.03`	`JeffM2501`	`I just notice trends`
`22:19.08`	`JeffM2501`	`being all old and stuff ;)`
`22:19.40`	`Inferno285`	`I'm like online school homeschooled`
`22:20.13`	`Inferno285`	`and my mom doesn't give me alot time, but I work hard :)`
`22:21.03`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm sure you do`
`22:21.17`	`TD-Linux`	`playing bzflag?`
`22:21.58`	`Inferno285`	`umm, I'm done already, today was the into`
`22:22.01`	`Inferno285`	`*intro`
`22:22.22`	`Inferno285`	`check out http://www.myonlineclass.org`
`22:23.17`	`Inferno285`	`hey thx for the comment Birdie :)`
`22:23.42`	`JeffM2501`	`umm no thanks, I finished school many years ago`
`22:24.16`	`JeffM2501`	`Im sure it offers the exact same personable teaching experience and social interactions that have shaped the world in the past`
`22:24.22`	`Inferno285`	`you sound so interested in my education :p`
`22:25.46`	`JeffM2501`	`that should be your parents job`
`22:25.57`	`JeffM2501`	`I only made comment based on what I saw of your actions`
`22:26.08`	`JeffM2501`	`that's all I realy care about`
`22:27.00`	`Inferno285`	`thz anyway`
`22:27.04`	`Inferno285`	`*thx`
`22:28.22`	`Inferno285`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:28.36`	`Inferno285`	`how come I can't send multi lined anymore?`
`22:29.35`	`JeffM2501`	`web chat sucks`
`22:29.45`	`TD-Linux`	`you are a lazy CGI:IRC`
`22:29.49`	`TD-Linux`	`get X-Chat or gaim`
`22:30.02`	`JeffM2501`	`gaim IRC blows`
`22:30.05`	`Inferno285`	`give me a link`
`22:30.19`	`brad2901`	`~xchat`
`22:30.20`	`ibot`	`methinks xchat is an IRC client for unix and windows at http://www.xchat.org or http://www.silverex.org/news/`
`22:30.48`	`Inferno285`	`oh thx`
`22:32.09`	`JeffM2501`	`goooooggggglllleeee`
`22:32.30`	`Inferno285`	`hey, I am!`
`22:32.34`	`Inferno285`	`~google`
`22:32.35`	`ibot`	`from memory, google is a search engine found at http://www.google.com/`
`22:32.36`	`*** join/#bzflag BIYA_ (n=chatzill@dialup-4.129.83.250.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net)`
`22:32.42`	`JeffM2501`	`sigh`
`22:32.46`	`Inferno285`	`~JeffM2501`
`22:32.47`	`ibot`	`i heard jeffm2501 is bzbb god`
`22:32.54`	`Inferno285`	`NOOOO`
`22:32.59`	`BIYA_`	`lol`
`22:33.01`	`JeffM2501`	`please stop abusing the bot in our channel`
`22:33.04`	`BIYA_`	`thats a good one`
`22:33.06`	`JeffM2501`	`use /msg if you must`
`22:33.17`	`Inferno285`	`ok, sry`
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`22:38.50`	`Inferno`	`hola`
`22:39.07`	`Inferno285`	`hola`
`22:40.21`	`Inferno285`	`an you see Inferno? without 285?`
`22:40.43`	`Tupone`	`don't need irc to talk between you and you`
`22:40.53`	`Inferno`	`I know :)`
`22:41.02`	`Inferno`	`there`
`22:41.47`	`TD-Linux`	`ooh! ooh! Masterbot is going to be alpha-released tomorrow or whenever meteorite does a cvs update!`
`22:41.57`	`Inferno`	`great`
`22:44.13`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, am I ok with one linux partition? and one swap?`
`22:44.19`	`JeffM2501`	`or do I need a / and a /root ?`
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`22:45.07`	`Tupone`	`that depends on where you want to keep your data. I normally do my /home partition so if I reinstall linux I don't loose anything`
`22:45.27`	`JeffM2501`	`most of "my" data will be on a server or another drive`
`22:45.55`	`Tupone`	`and normally I do a /boot partition, not mounted so even in case of failure, is improbable that your system won't boot`
`22:46.22`	`Tupone`	`however / and swap are ok`
`22:46.25`	`JeffM2501`	`can't you just boot off a cd?`
`22:46.37`	`Tupone`	`yeah, but you loose your kernel`
`22:46.52`	`Tupone`	`and you have to restart`
`22:47.11`	`Tupone`	`I use a separate partition for the kernel, and I mount it only when I need to change it`
`22:47.21`	`JeffM2501`	`ummm, I restart all the time`
`22:47.23`	`Tupone`	`near 50 Mbyte`
`22:47.37`	`JeffM2501`	`this is just like gentoo on my main machine as the secondary OS`
`22:47.38`	`JeffM2501`	`not the main`
`22:47.58`	`Tupone`	`ok, if that is just a try you are ok with / and swap`
`22:48.11`	`JeffM2501`	`I just moved my windows to a new 250 gig drive`
`22:48.16`	`JeffM2501`	`so I have the old 40 left in it`
`22:48.23`	`JeffM2501`	`was going to install a linux on it`
`22:48.41`	`JeffM2501`	`how long does a gentoo stage 1 install take?`
`22:48.52`	`Tupone`	`CPU ?`
`22:49.00`	`JeffM2501`	`XP 2800`
`22:49.13`	`Tupone`	`stage 1 will take an hour, I guess`
`22:49.18`	`Tupone`	`or les`
`22:49.53`	`JeffM2501`	`will the bootloader automaticly detect that I have windows installed, and make an "other" option?`
`22:50.25`	`Tupone`	`you have to do the bootloader config. I odn't know the automatic installer what does ?`
`22:50.50`	`JeffM2501`	`do all Ineed to know is what drive windows is on?`
`22:51.03`	`TD-Linux`	`ahh, windows is wonderful`
`22:51.04`	`Tupone`	`partition. yes`
`22:51.25`	`JeffM2501`	`it's on hda1`
`22:51.35`	`Tupone`	`and linux? hdb ?`
`22:51.42`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`22:51.52`	`TD-Linux`	`just got a blue screen of death for half a second, so I couldn't see the error, then restarts, then says it recovered from a serious error, then it says to error report, then I report it, then it miserably fails at reporting the error`
`22:52.08`	`Tupone`	`if you are going to use grub , grub name (hd0,0) and (hd1)`
`22:52.17`	`JeffM2501`	`TD-Linux, sounds like you have hardware problems`
`22:52.24`	`TD-Linux`	`hmmm`
`22:52.45`	`TD-Linux`	`how would I test the hardware?`
`22:53.00`	`JeffM2501`	`check the logs`
`22:53.06`	`TD-Linux`	`where?`
`22:53.08`	`JeffM2501`	`systematicly replace things`
`22:53.11`	`JeffM2501`	`till it works again`
`22:53.19`	`JeffM2501`	`take it to somone who knows about computers`
`22:53.30`	`TD-Linux`	`nothing has changed in the computer since I built it`
`22:53.44`	`JeffM2501`	`then how would it fail?`
`22:53.58`	`TD-Linux`	`don't know`
`22:54.01`	`TD-Linux`	`g2g bye`
`22:54.53`	`JeffM2501`	`the gentoo live cd thing is prety cool`
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`23:05.40`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, got any idea what a "state tarball URI" is?`
`23:06.00`	`Tupone`	`never heard about .`
`23:06.05`	`Tupone`	`perhaps a stage ?`
`23:06.35`	`JeffM2501`	`I picked statge 1`
`23:06.40`	`JeffM2501`	`but then it wants the URL`
`23:06.53`	`JeffM2501`	`wonder if its like where to get the stage 1 tarball from`
`23:06.57`	`JeffM2501`	`like http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/2005.1/stages/x86/stage1-x86-2005.1.tar.bz2`
`23:07.07`	`Tupone`	`http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/2005.1/stages/`
`23:07.33`	`Tupone`	`who? the installer ?`
`23:07.42`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`23:08.03`	`JeffM2501`	`what distro do you use?`
`23:08.08`	`Tupone`	`gentoo :)`
`23:08.14`	`Tupone`	`but notwith the installer`
`23:08.30`	`Tupone`	`try to put the http://gent.... things`
`23:08.40`	`JeffM2501`	`I did`
`23:08.48`	`JeffM2501`	`what portage tree do I want?`
`23:08.54`	`JeffM2501`	`normal? webrsync?`
`23:09.12`	`JeffM2501`	`probably normal`
`23:09.21`	`Tupone`	`http://gentoo.osuosl.org/snapshots/portage-20050831.tar.bz2`
`23:09.34`	`Tupone`	`that is the portage tar ball`
`23:10.01`	`Tupone`	`I'd use normal if they ask, webrsync is for firewalled`
`23:10.23`	`JeffM2501`	`heh one USE flag is "GAPING_SECURITY_HOLE"`
`23:10.48`	`Tupone`	`never heard about :/`
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`23:11.28`	`Tupone`	`probably is in the default profile`
`23:11.38`	`JeffM2501`	`what optimisation?`
`23:11.42`	`JeffM2501`	`O2?`
`23:12.31`	`Tupone`	`I use -O3 -pipe -march=something`
`23:13.03`	`JeffM2501`	`so I put -pipe in for the custom part`
`23:13.19`	`JeffM2501`	`chose athalon-xp for the "proc"`
`23:13.27`	`Tupone`	`-pipe speed up compilation using pipe instead of file (?)`
`23:13.29`	`JeffM2501`	`what is -mcpu?`
`23:13.47`	`Tupone`	`Tune to CPU-TYPE`
`23:13.59`	`JeffM2501`	`it's set to i686`
`23:14.25`	`Tupone`	`with march you do code compatible only with better model`
`23:14.49`	`Tupone`	`mcpu code is compatiblem but schedule optimized for your architecture`
`23:15.01`	`Tupone`	`athlon-xp`
`23:15.09`	`JeffM2501`	`it was in there by default`
`23:15.13`	`Tupone`	`-march=athlon-xp`
`23:15.24`	`JeffM2501`	`I have that in the "proc" pulldown`
`23:15.30`	`Tupone`	`ahh`
`23:15.44`	`Tupone`	`don't need cpu then`
`23:15.53`	`Tupone`	`or choose the same`
`23:16.30`	`Tupone`	`don't use -fomit-frame. Code will not be debuggable`
`23:16.52`	`Tupone`	`not always I mean`
`23:17.01`	`Tupone`	`but a little faster`
`23:18.27`	`Inferno`	`JeffM2501,how long is a char`
`23:18.56`	`Inferno`	`I need to know what is 2 bytes?`
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`23:19.49`	`JeffM2501`	`Inferno, char is 1 byte`
`23:20.02`	`Inferno`	`OH, what is 2?`
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`23:20.27`	`JeffM2501`	`a short`
`23:20.40`	`CIA-2`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (Roster.cxx playing.cxx): Some protection while reading robots[] and robotServer[]. I got a segv before`
`23:20.50`	`JeffM2501`	`char = 1, short = 2, long or int = 4, float = 4`
`23:21.06`	`Tupone`	`not always I guess. I don't know in amd64 what a short is`
`23:21.14`	`Tupone`	`I know a char is 1 byte always`
`23:21.24`	`Inferno`	`but short = 16 bits,,, 1 byte = 8 bits?`
`23:21.34`	`JeffM2501`	`Tupone, he's a kid, not trying to confuse him`
`23:21.38`	`Tupone`	`ahhh`
`23:21.39`	`Inferno`	`GRR`
`23:21.40`	`Tupone`	`ok`
`23:21.42`	`JeffM2501`	`Inferno, yes 1 byte is 8 bits`
`23:21.53`	`Inferno`	`what is inbetween?`
`23:22.00`	`JeffM2501`	`nothing`
`23:22.07`	`JeffM2501`	`most tings are 8 bit aligned`
`23:22.14`	`Inferno`	`I'm used to 4`
`23:22.22`	`blast007`	`4?`
`23:22.32`	`Inferno`	`something like that?`
`23:22.48`	`JeffM2501`	`4?`
`23:23.03`	`JeffM2501`	`what the hell packs to 4 bit?`
`23:23.09`	`Inferno`	`yeah, like to bin`
`23:23.12`	`JeffM2501`	`that'd run like ass on most CPUs`
`23:23.15`	`Inferno`	`hex`
`23:23.18`	`Inferno`	`to`
`23:23.19`	`Inferno`	`bin`
`23:23.22`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh good lord`
`23:23.29`	`JeffM2501`	`that is just a way to express the data`
`23:23.31`	`bryjen`	`is one hex digit. sometimes called a nibble. but i've never seen a datatype for it`
`23:23.44`	`Inferno`	`nibble, so there jeff!`
`23:23.54`	`JeffM2501`	`sigh`
`23:24.03`	`JeffM2501`	`noone packs to that`
`23:24.04`	`JeffM2501`	`ever`
`23:24.09`	`Inferno`	`ok`
`23:24.12`	`JeffM2501`	`not in modern stuff`
`23:24.28`	`bryjen`	`as i said, i've never seen anything that uses that`
`23:24.30`	`Inferno`	`but you can express with it, or get confused by it`
`23:24.43`	`JeffM2501`	`well you can use hex to talk about data, sure`
`23:24.50`	`JeffM2501`	`you can use anything to express data`
`23:25.00`	`Inferno`	`yeah`
`23:25.02`	`JeffM2501`	`0xAA is a single byte`
`23:25.03`	`bryjen`	`octal!`
`23:25.07`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`23:25.32`	`Inferno`	`so for this message thingy, should I use a signed short?`
`23:25.39`	`Inferno`	`input = a number`
`23:25.46`	`blast007`	`some are signed, some aren't, iirc`
`23:26.01`	`JeffM2501`	`Inferno, read the code`
`23:26.03`	`JeffM2501`	`see what it does`
`23:26.08`	`Inferno`	`I did`
`23:26.12`	`JeffM2501`	`and don't forget to pack to network byte order`
`23:26.15`	`Inferno`	`It doesn't register player thoigh`
`23:26.20`	`Tupone`	`hehe I leave, can't stand`
`23:26.20`	`JeffM2501`	`read the C code`
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`23:27.46`	`Inferno`	`playing.cxx doesn't have where you register player`
`23:27.53`	`blast007`	`MsgEnter`
`23:28.30`	`blast007`	`or maybe the 'send' part of that is somewhere else in the client`
`23:28.43`	`Inferno`	`where`
`23:28.44`	`JeffM2501`	`best thing to do first is read all the messages`
`23:28.48`	`JeffM2501`	`understand what is happening`
`23:28.54`	`Inferno`	`I do`
`23:28.56`	`JeffM2501`	`then look at where the messages are packed and sent`
`23:28.57`	`blast007`	`Inferno: dude, use a search tool`
`23:29.02`	`JeffM2501`	`then do a simple search`
`23:29.05`	`blast007`	`I gave you the message type, find it`
`23:29.12`	`Inferno`	`ok`
`23:29.27`	`Inferno`	`how do you saerch multiple files though?`
`23:29.30`	`JeffM2501`	`blast007, where do they keep coming from`
`23:29.35`	`JeffM2501`	`Inferno, learn how to use your computer`
`23:29.39`	`blast007`	`what IDE are you using?`
`23:29.55`	`Inferno`	`I'm doing perl, notepad`
`23:30.03`	`JeffM2501`	`search IN files`
`23:30.07`	`blast007`	`oh, yeah..`
`23:30.08`	`JeffM2501`	`using the windows search`
`23:30.16`	`Inferno`	`inter file searching!!!!!!!!!!!!1`
`23:30.29`	`JeffM2501`	`it works`
`23:30.34`	`blast007`	`not really`
`23:30.40`	`JeffM2501`	`Inferno, if you can't do a simple multi-file search`
`23:30.45`	`JeffM2501`	`then you are WAY over your head`
`23:30.52`	`JeffM2501`	`we won't tell you how to do basic computer operations on your OS`
`23:30.55`	`JeffM2501`	`that's your job to learn first`
`23:31.02`	`Inferno`	`you can't man`
`23:31.09`	`Inferno`	`it's not inate with XP`
`23:31.17`	`JeffM2501`	`yes you can`
`23:31.25`	`JeffM2501`	`windows key F`
`23:32.14`	`Inferno`	`what about the text inside the file?`
`23:32.20`	`Inferno`	`that's what Im talking abouit`
`23:32.23`	`JeffM2501`	`seach for it`
`23:32.30`	`JeffM2501`	`when you go to search for a file name`
`23:32.37`	`Inferno`	`ok`
`23:32.41`	`JeffM2501`	`there is a box below the file name`
`23:32.49`	`Inferno`	`OH`
`23:32.55`	`JeffM2501`	`that says "search for text INSIDE a file"`
`23:33.16`	`Inferno`	`I'm SOO dumb`
`23:33.40`	`Inferno`	`lol`
`23:33.56`	`JeffM2501`	`now are you done wasting our time on simple things you should know allready?`
`23:34.10`	`Inferno`	`sry`
`23:34.22`	`Inferno`	`thx anyway :)`
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