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| 00:15.30 | Tupone | hostban has the same problem ban had before my first change. Do we agree on fixing it too? |
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| 00:31.44 | Win_XP | hey anyone how to let bzedit run in wine mine won't |
| 00:32.20 | blast007 | iirc, you need some DLL files |
| 00:32.53 | Win_XP | blast007: sorry Im new to the linux thing what does that mean |
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| 00:35.28 | blast007 | see if you can find anything on the bzflag forum |
| 00:35.35 | Win_XP | ok |
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| 00:47.32 | win_guy | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.35 | blast007 | you need to start a local server |
| 00:49.53 | purple_cow | orchid: btw, you can quit most of those other calculators with ctrl+d ;) |
| 00:50.20 | win_guy | blast007: how can I di that when I try it my way my conputer gives me crap.......... |
| 00:51.00 | blast007 | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer |
| 00:51.13 | win_guy | ok Ill try that |
| 00:52.15 | win_guy | my Isp dosen't allow me to create a public server |
| 00:54.12 | blast007 | you don't need it to be public if you are just testing the map |
| 00:54.41 | win_guy | I can set it to be public or private |
| 00:55.34 | orchid | purple_cow: heh, oops |
| 00:55.47 | Tupone | someguy here is gu admin ? |
| 00:55.59 | purple_cow | orchid: also, python is the best cmdline calculator ;) |
| 00:56.07 | blast007 | win_guy: hmm, if you just want a really basic server, you could use this: bzfs -j -world "c:\where\your\file\is.bzw" |
| 00:56.33 | blast007 | that would use your world file, and allow jumping (probably enough for testing) |
| 00:56.36 | win_guy | I assume I type that in to the comand prompt |
| 00:56.37 | brlcad | purple_cow: blasphemy, dc |
| 00:56.41 | blast007 | yup |
| 00:56.44 | orchid | purple_cow: yes, and I'm sure I could learn that in an evening or two :) |
| 00:56.56 | purple_cow | probably |
| 01:01.41 | win_guy | I get an error saying the filename , directory name, or label volme syntax is incorrect |
| 01:03.07 | win_guy | is Ice_Wewe logged on? |
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| 01:04.26 | win_guy | got to go |
| 01:04.43 | guru | wow, all the channels i ever go to on freenode are dead...did everyone get a life while i was gone or something? :-\ |
| 01:06.07 | brlcad | something's up with the network |
| 01:06.13 | guru | guess so |
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| 01:06.38 | guru | anyone want to play some bzflag? |
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| 01:07.05 | TD-Linux | sure |
| 01:07.20 | guru | 12.221.113.74, default port |
| 01:07.25 | guru | i'll be there in a couple |
| 01:07.51 | TD-Linux | connected |
| 01:08.18 | guru | k, i'm on my way in a couple seconds...gotta grab something to drink |
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| 01:08.26 | guru | anyone else can join too |
| 01:08.36 | TD-Linux | hehe, I have ST and am the rabbit |
| 01:08.44 | guru | lmao |
| 01:08.49 | guru | this should be fun |
| 01:08.58 | guru | 12.221.113.74, default port if anyone else wants to play |
| 01:09.02 | guru | on my way now |
| 01:09.28 | TD-Linux | don't shoot me, I brb |
| 01:10.11 | guru | ok, i might have to restart x |
| 01:10.22 | guru | it's not displaying the menu when i start bzflag again |
| 01:10.59 | TD-Linux | back |
| 01:11.23 | guru | i'll be back in a sec, gotta restart windowmaker and x |
| 01:12.06 | guru | there we go |
| 01:12.23 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 01:12.30 | TD-Linux | huwwy up |
| 01:12.35 | TD-Linux | l( |
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| 01:13.01 | TD-Linux | I should have brought along my bot friends... |
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| 02:01.08 | Tupone | hostban has the same problem ban had before my first change. Do we agree on fixing it too? |
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| 02:50.24 | a_monkey | you know, someone should really make a bzflag dashboard widget. that would be totally cool |
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| 02:54.16 | a_monkey | with numbers of players, etc |
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| 04:17.45 | *** topic/#bzflag is Topic for #bzflag: http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || try #bzchat if you just want to talk || paste errors http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
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| 04:58.31 | *** topic/#bzflag is Topic for #bzflag: http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || try #bzchat if you just want to talk || paste errors http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
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| 05:06.33 | SC | http://windward.nodalpoint.net/doc/media/liikenne.swf |
| 05:24.06 | I_Died_Once | ... |
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| 13:12.44 | I_Died_Once | ... |
| 13:18.19 | _Manu_ | ... |
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| 13:29.14 | Grumbler | ...---... |
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| 13:31.54 | _Manu_ | |/-\|/-\| |
| 13:38.12 | Grumbler | .. -......-.-.- .--. .-.-.. ...-.-.-.-..-.--. ---- --..- ...-..-.-.-- ......-...-..-.-- |
| 13:44.17 | _Manu_ | ...---... |
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| 13:47.34 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: you need to use more spaces |
| 13:49.18 | Grumbler | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:49.59 | DTRemenak | no no no, more SPACES |
| 13:50.11 | DTRemenak | can't tell where one letter starts and another stops |
| 13:50.14 | _Manu_ | beep beep beep beeeeep beeeeep beeeeep beep beep beep :) |
| 13:50.40 | Grumbler | heh |
| 13:53.10 | DTRemenak | .-.. .. -.- . - .... .. ... --..-- .... . .-.-.- .-.-.- .-.-.- ... --- .. -.-. .- -. .- -.-. - ..- .- .-.. .-.. -.-- .-. . .- -.. .. - |
| 13:54.28 | DTRemenak | whoops, s/.... ./... . ./ |
| 13:54.35 | Grumbler | heh |
| 13:54.55 | DTRemenak | bit of a difference between "he" and "see" |
| 13:55.51 | Grumbler | to bad it doesnt translate |
| 13:56.17 | DTRemenak | it should, unless I really screwed something up |
| 13:56.20 | Grumbler | http://www.scouting.org/fun/morse |
| 13:56.24 | DTRemenak | or my memory is faulty |
| 13:56.36 | bryjen | http://morsecode.scphillips.com/cgi-bin/morse.cgi works there |
| 13:56.40 | _Manu_ | .... .. .- .-.. .-.. .-.-.- |
| 13:56.57 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: your page does not support morse punctuation |
| 13:57.08 | DTRemenak | --..-- is , |
| 13:57.15 | DTRemenak | .-.-.- is . |
| 13:57.36 | DTRemenak | and s/he/see :) |
| 13:57.44 | _Manu_ | I used it :) |
| 13:58.08 | _Manu_ | .... .. .- .-.. .-.. .-.-.- => hi all. |
| 13:58.20 | DTRemenak | .... .. -- .- -. ..- .-.-.- |
| 13:58.48 | Grumbler | oh man, i should have quite while I was ahead |
| 13:59.19 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, hi :) |
| 14:00.42 | _Manu_ | I almost forgot morse.. and is better to heard it for understand :/ |
| 14:01.04 | DTRemenak | probably so |
| 14:01.10 | _Manu_ | using words for asociate the sound... it's easy |
| 14:02.02 | DTRemenak | _Manu_: you can probably find a script to turn it into sound too :) |
| 14:02.23 | DTRemenak | I wrote one a long time ago that would turn it into a flashing yellow-and-black box on the screen |
| 14:03.03 | _Manu_ | I used words. .(in spanish) for example the 'a' is .- and the word for remember it is 'amor' |
| 14:03.22 | DTRemenak | ah :) |
| 14:03.23 | _Manu_ | because amor starts in 'a' and the sound is a (short) mor(long) that's a .- |
| 14:03.33 | DTRemenak | ah, clever |
| 14:03.55 | _Manu_ | then it's easy to remember it.. I used morse a lot.. but that was years ago..when I was younger. hehe |
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| 14:15.41 | I_Died_Once | gah |
| 14:15.46 | I_Died_Once | top of the morning to you good people |
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| 14:20.07 | I_Died_Once | yo meacan |
| 14:20.16 | meacan | hi |
| 14:20.21 | I_Died_Once | how they hangin' ? |
| 14:21.49 | meacan | Except for firefox keep bugging me, and i lost some of code, i could reuse. Im doing pretty good :) |
| 14:22.03 | I_Died_Once | sorry to hear that |
| 14:22.20 | I_Died_Once | did you see m plugin idea? |
| 14:22.39 | meacan | the chatty server plugin? |
| 14:22.43 | I_Died_Once | yeah |
| 14:22.55 | meacan | yes i did :) |
| 14:23.11 | I_Died_Once | am I out of my damn mind or what? |
| 14:23.41 | meacan | Dunno. Personally i would mentally ignore it after i read it the first time. |
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| 14:24.28 | I_Died_Once | make it a constantly updated thing |
| 14:25.03 | I_Died_Once | so everytime the server is restart, it reloads the online list of things to say |
| 14:25.13 | I_Died_Once | and /reload also reloads the narrations |
| 14:26.08 | meacan | would still be noise after a while. |
| 14:26.19 | I_Died_Once | thats the point |
| 14:26.34 | meacan | i mean, i play bzflag to shoot people, get a good score. Not to watch whatever sillyness the server might write back |
| 14:26.59 | I_Died_Once | but if we get it to say funky enough things, it'd be entertaining |
| 14:27.44 | I_Died_Once | we could make an underground, bad language version |
| 14:27.51 | meacan | we? |
| 14:27.53 | meacan | :) |
| 14:28.04 | I_Died_Once | get language translations |
| 14:28.22 | I_Died_Once | it'd be like narration.french.txt |
| 14:28.29 | I_Died_Once | and narration.german.txt |
| 14:28.48 | I_Died_Once | narration.foul.txt |
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| 14:29.14 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone? |
| 14:29.17 | I_Died_Once | Or - how about it might can be used as a makeshift RSS newsfeed |
| 14:29.23 | Ice_Wewe | is some dev here? |
| 14:29.41 | meacan | whats makeshift? |
| 14:29.42 | Ice_Wewe | my configure error says it can't find opengl32, and yet I have it... and it is a windows DLL! |
| 14:29.51 | I_Died_Once | the developers can insert random "new version of bzflag is out!" |
| 14:30.06 | Ice_Wewe | _ranger_ Ice_Wewe, your platform is being misdetected |
| 14:30.10 | meacan | like the message-of-the-day when you start bzflag? |
| 14:30.25 | Ice_Wewe | hey guys, this is what the brains in #mandriva have come up with as the bzflag compiling problem |
| 14:30.26 | I_Died_Once | makeshift - performind a task that was not originally intended |
| 14:30.43 | I_Died_Once | makeing the narration into a "makeshift" news dellivery system |
| 14:30.59 | ruskie | so what's new around here? |
| 14:31.13 | Ice_Wewe | bzflag not compiling on linux |
| 14:31.23 | I_Died_Once | there we go - make the plugin be able to interpret CNN news headlines |
| 14:31.23 | ruskie | I said new... :) |
| 14:31.36 | I_Died_Once | maybe have BZFlag give you the weather in the future |
| 14:31.40 | Ice_Wewe | ruskie, that is now |
| 14:31.42 | Ice_Wewe | new* |
| 14:31.46 | ruskie | not rellay |
| 14:31.52 | bryjen | compiles fine here. Slackware 10.1 |
| 14:31.52 | meacan | I_Died_Once: dude, its a game, not a rss feed reader :) |
| 14:31.55 | ruskie | it happens all the time with cvs :) |
| 14:31.57 | ruskie | atleast for me |
| 14:32.54 | Ice_Wewe | bryjen: please join #mandriva and tell them what you have that I don't |
| 14:33.00 | I_Died_Once | the server could whisper to you "it's 87 degrees and sunny" |
| 14:33.10 | Ice_Wewe | rofl |
| 14:34.14 | I_Died_Once | and it could say the news to everyone |
| 14:34.25 | I_Died_Once | like "28 killed in Iraq roadside blast" |
| 14:34.38 | I_Died_Once | "Hurricane Katrine death toll soars" |
| 14:34.53 | meacan | "remember to go shopping; we need more milk" |
| 14:35.10 | I_Died_Once | heh |
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| 14:35.58 | bryjen | i don't know what you have on your system. whether mandriva is lacking, or if it's something you've done... |
| 14:36.28 | I_Died_Once | "Lance Armstrong tells the European Union to go **** itself and wins his 114th consecutive Your de France |
| 14:41.13 | bryjen | Ice_Wewe: where are you seeing "opengl32" ? In config.log? |
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| 14:42.41 | Ice_Wewe | bryjen: line 1386 |
| 14:42.59 | bryjen | I've also got a failed test in there with that lib. it's probably part of the checks for a different platform, since it doesn't stop my build. |
| 14:47.36 | bryjen | ibot: logs |
| 14:47.39 | ibot | methinks logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 14:48.12 | Grumbler | god dag, dmp err... meacan |
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| 14:52.43 | zoly | g'day |
| 14:52.59 | zoly | brad2901, awake ? |
| 14:53.34 | brad2901 | hi zoly :) |
| 14:54.01 | zoly | hi:). do you have a bit of time, half an hour or so? |
| 14:54.24 | brad2901 | sure |
| 14:54.30 | zoly | great. match? |
| 14:54.49 | zoly | verdo is with us too |
| 14:55.04 | brad2901 | ok |
| 14:55.09 | brad2901 | what server? |
| 14:55.10 | zoly | meet on 5154 |
| 14:55.12 | brad2901 | k |
| 14:55.13 | zoly | sorry |
| 14:55.14 | zoly | 5158 |
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| 14:55.53 | brad2901 | ok |
| 14:55.56 | zoly | nice |
| 14:56.53 | meacan | hej Grumbler. |
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| 15:52.10 | JeffM2501 | hah, even the people who are making X, are telling people to upgrade :) |
| 15:55.08 | DTRemenak | naturally |
| 15:55.25 | JeffM2501 | the best part of the article |
| 15:55.27 | JeffM2501 | "This old hardware is well served by the current X server. But new systems are being designed around new hardware and they may perform badly on old hardware. You may want to consider upgrading your video hardware; graphics cards capable of decent OpenGL performance can be bought brand new for $40 and for even less used." |
| 15:55.41 | DTRemenak | the era of "a gpu is optional" is dead and gone, there's just too much that you can do with them that you can't do without them |
| 15:56.10 | JeffM2501 | from what it looks here, this guy is working on the team that is making a GL accelelrated X server |
| 15:56.56 | JeffM2501 | and it's basicly, if you don't want to upgrade hardware, don't upgrade software |
| 15:57.09 | DTRemenak | yeah. cairo also will be dependent on having a decent graphics chip |
| 15:57.30 | JeffM2501 | is that the name of the thing? |
| 15:57.33 | DTRemenak | no |
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| 15:58.30 | DTRemenak | ~cairo |
| 15:58.33 | ibot | rumour has it, cairo is a vector graphics library designed to provide high-quality display and print output. see http://www.freedesktop.org/Cairo/Home for details. |
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| 15:59.25 | DTRemenak | gecko 1.9 and gtk 2.8 and higher will both be using cairo |
| 16:00.08 | JeffM2501 | will it be using GL? |
| 16:00.30 | DTRemenak | it can. not sure if those apps will require it. |
| 16:00.36 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 16:00.53 | DTRemenak | supposedly gtk 2.8 + cairo + gl can do some kickass stuff |
| 16:00.56 | JeffM2501 | it's like aqua in 10.3+ it wants hardware, it still uses GL, but will let mesa do it |
| 16:02.07 | DTRemenak | qt4 can also draw widgets with opengl iirc |
| 16:02.18 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 16:02.53 | DTRemenak | it's the way everything is going. most pcs have fairly capable gpus now, why not take advantage of them. |
| 16:03.20 | DTRemenak | even microsoft is doing it |
| 16:03.34 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 16:04.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah nvidia has been using the GPU and card features to accelerate it's windows blits and stuff for ages |
| 16:04.14 | JeffM2501 | just not using a formalised 3d api |
| 16:04.35 | JeffM2501 | cards have been doing windows calls since the "windows accelerators" :) |
| 16:04.58 | JeffM2501 | tho those first ones were just "I can do a hardware blit" :) |
| 16:05.04 | DTRemenak | yup. nvidia switched over from dedicated 2d to using 3d hardware to emulate 2d calls a while ago too |
| 16:05.33 | DTRemenak | that's why the tnt2 has better 2d performance than the geforce3, incidentally :) |
| 16:05.46 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:06.13 | DTRemenak | I imagine as 3d has been getting faster that gap has been disappearing also. not like it mattered much to begin with. |
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| 16:12.02 | bz2045 | hello |
| 16:12.03 | JeffM2501 | most "2d" games are using the 3d APIs |
| 16:12.07 | JeffM2501 | makes em easyer |
| 16:12.08 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 16:12.28 | bz2045 | are you like, one of the bz managers or something jeff? |
| 16:12.43 | bz2045 | cause I noticed you can "master" ban ppl |
| 16:12.55 | JeffM2501 | any developer can add to the masterban |
| 16:13.06 | JeffM2501 | I am one of the main forum adminstrators, so I get asked about it a lot |
| 16:13.19 | JeffM2501 | so I am one of the primary people who adds the bans |
| 16:13.54 | JeffM2501 | and 'techincaly' I've worked on the code for the longest time of anyone still active |
| 16:14.30 | JeffM2501 | can we help you with anything? |
| 16:16.33 | brlcad | bz2045: so yes he is, what about it? :) |
| 16:16.58 | JeffM2501 | if I was a manager, I'd have management powers ;) |
| 16:16.59 | Grumbler | JeffM2501, tried 17+, GM firing still laggy.....trying 17 tonight. I think i missed trying 16, so i will see if 15 compares well.....because this seems new. |
| 16:17.15 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, ok, all good tests |
| 16:17.19 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: you don't need a position to have Da Powerz |
| 16:17.28 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, this is true |
| 16:17.45 | DTRemenak | whether you like it or not you manage stuff ;) |
| 16:17.56 | JeffM2501 | sometimes I like it |
| 16:17.58 | JeffM2501 | sometimes I don't |
| 16:18.36 | JeffM2501 | would Alanis Morissette be considered "alternitive" or "pop" ? |
| 16:18.50 | JeffM2501 | new media server of d00m is online |
| 16:18.54 | JeffM2501 | WHAT? |
| 16:19.04 | JeffM2501 | damn I feel old now |
| 16:19.18 | JeffM2501 | did you ever see the movie "dogma" |
| 16:19.23 | JeffM2501 | you have to have heard one of her songs |
| 16:19.26 | Grumbler | JeffM2501, i think she is considered pop now |
| 16:19.28 | DTRemenak | yes, I think I did |
| 16:19.30 | JeffM2501 | "isn't it ironic" |
| 16:19.40 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, she played GOD |
| 16:19.44 | DTRemenak | ahhh |
| 16:19.45 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 16:19.46 | JeffM2501 | she's a singer |
| 16:19.49 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, probably |
| 16:19.51 | bryjen | a server of d00m or a server of media ? |
| 16:20.15 | JeffM2501 | both |
| 16:20.20 | JeffM2501 | it has a drive for each |
| 16:20.49 | bryjen | heh. but you really need an array for d00m ;) |
| 16:20.53 | DTRemenak | btw, asking me about any singer is probably a bad idea. newest music I listen to regularly is about a century and a half old. |
| 16:21.22 | JeffM2501 | bryjen, it's got the raid card of d00m |
| 16:21.24 | Grumbler | well, if its not rap, that is probably the new stuff |
| 16:21.34 | JeffM2501 | just need to find drives on sale |
| 16:21.49 | Grumbler | scsi, sata? |
| 16:22.16 | DTRemenak | it is not a raid card of d00m unless it's scsi |
| 16:22.45 | bryjen | 5c5i d00m ;) |
| 16:23.03 | Grumbler | heh |
| 16:23.04 | DTRemenak | you evil person, you almost made me fall out of my chair |
| 16:26.29 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: last I heard the ARC was not religiously affiliated :) |
| 16:26.41 | Grumbler | they only want money |
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| 16:26.51 | DTRemenak | really? odd |
| 16:27.07 | DTRemenak | Could always join the Louisiana Nat'l Gaurd :) |
| 16:27.15 | Grumbler | they had an annoucement yesterday about it |
| 16:27.37 | DTRemenak | it's volunteer :) |
| 16:27.57 | Grumbler | hmm....mennonite disater service |
| 16:28.38 | Grumbler | nvoad.org |
| 16:29.26 | Grumbler | fyi, dont misspelling that link....it leads to pr0n |
| 16:30.18 | DTRemenak | "NVOAD is not itself a service delivery organization. Instead, it upholds the privilege of its members to independently provide relief and recovery services, while expecting them to do so cooperatively." |
| 16:30.43 | bryjen | i'd like to assemble a new pc of d00m, but i don't have the spare $$. it'll probly end up being the budget edition. the pc of disaster |
| 16:30.50 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 16:33.34 | brlcad | hehe |
| 16:34.27 | DTRemenak | heh...#bzflag, your resource for dumping free stuff |
| 16:34.34 | Grumbler | heh |
| 16:34.46 | Grumbler | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.09 | DTRemenak | bryjen: depends on your car :) |
| 16:35.25 | DTRemenak | and on whether your route takes I-10 through Louisiana ;) |
| 16:35.48 | bryjen | I64 most likely. Ford Ranger. |
| 16:36.31 | Grumbler | for the amount you pay in gas, it might be cheaper to buy a 3Ghz from dell :) |
| 16:37.13 | DTRemenak | on the other hand, you would have a chance to talk to Grumbler in RL |
| 16:38.24 | JeffM2501 | well I am trying to get to "reapporpriate" the old acounting server for our media system, backplanes of scsi 160 ultrawide |
| 16:38.43 | DTRemenak | ah, now that is truly a raid controller of d00m |
| 16:39.10 | JeffM2501 | tho it's only got a zenon 550 in it |
| 16:40.44 | menotume | bryjen: want an old Pentium 200MHz ? |
| 16:40.59 | menotume | It might even still work :) |
| 16:41.37 | DTRemenak | I've got a k6-200 that I know works :) no drives in it though |
| 16:42.05 | JeffM2501 | I've only got a semperon 2600 with no drives |
| 16:42.08 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 16:42.24 | DTRemenak | should get some drives for it. drives are cheap. |
| 16:42.38 | JeffM2501 | actualy I Have drives for it |
| 16:42.42 | JeffM2501 | need a SATA card |
| 16:42.57 | DTRemenak | you don't have any PATA drives lying around? |
| 16:42.59 | DTRemenak | kinda surprising |
| 16:43.22 | JeffM2501 | no sadly I don't |
| 16:43.27 | DTRemenak | although I suppose I don't either so it shouldn't be too surprising :( |
| 16:43.28 | JeffM2501 | I just put them all in the server of doom :) |
| 16:43.33 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 16:44.34 | DTRemenak | my friend with the quad xeon just stuck a second array of 6 72-gig scsi drives in it |
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| 16:45.25 | DTRemenak | brings him up to about 0.9 tb on the scsi arrays and 1.2 tb on a PATA JBOD |
| 16:45.48 | JeffM2501 | I'm going to be buying drives soon |
| 16:45.57 | bryjen | we're just finally rotating our last p166 & p200 's out of service here at work. i could probly make a stuper cluster or something ;) |
| 16:45.57 | JeffM2501 | my secondary drive at home was "beeping" last night |
| 16:46.04 | JeffM2501 | so it's time to go SATA |
| 16:46.05 | DTRemenak | ooh beowulf :) |
| 16:46.37 | JeffM2501 | was just gonna get 2 250s |
| 16:46.47 | JeffM2501 | or maybe 1 |
| 16:46.54 | DTRemenak | I've always wanted to do that. had a chance in high school with about 60 P-90s and didn't take it |
| 16:47.24 | bz7984 | hello, does anyone know if there are still any 1.x servers out there, or has everyone upgraded to 2.x? |
| 16:47.34 | bryjen | good lord, think of the power draw.... |
| 16:47.45 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
| 16:48.06 | DTRemenak | ~bzflist |
| 16:48.15 | bryjen | ~bzflist17 |
| 16:48.17 | JeffM2501 | bz7984, ther are a couple, but most have upgraded |
| 16:48.25 | DTRemenak | bz7984: there are 28 people playing 1.10 right now. probably at least a couple servers |
| 16:48.32 | JeffM2501 | that list shows 19 1.10.x servers |
| 16:48.46 | JeffM2501 | we don't maintain a 1.7x list server anymore |
| 16:49.13 | DTRemenak | yes we do |
| 16:49.23 | DTRemenak | complete with one server |
| 16:49.24 | JeffM2501 | it's that fake thing tho isn't it? |
| 16:49.33 | DTRemenak | no, it's a real server, iirc |
| 16:49.36 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 16:49.40 | JeffM2501 | that's prety lame |
| 16:49.50 | DTRemenak | I think Tim just never turned it off |
| 16:49.54 | JeffM2501 | ok, we "shouldn't" support a 1.7x server anymore :) |
| 16:50.08 | DTRemenak | yeah, 1.7 has even fallen out of debian stable :) |
| 16:50.19 | bz7984 | ok, well i was just wondering because i still have 1.7 and the 8MB download for 2.x is just murder over my dialup |
| 16:50.24 | DTRemenak | afaik that was the last distro to ship it |
| 16:50.37 | JeffM2501 | bz7984, 1.7 is basicly dead |
| 16:50.50 | bz7984 | no, i take that back, my version is 1.10.6-2 |
| 16:51.02 | JeffM2501 | there are 19 servers for that version, but it too is very old |
| 16:51.04 | DTRemenak | there are still people playing 1.10. 2.0 is way cooler though :) |
| 16:51.08 | JeffM2501 | most people moved up to 2.0 |
| 16:51.25 | DTRemenak | we should probably build a mini-2.0 with the old lowres textures |
| 16:51.58 | DTRemenak | still, 8mb should only take about an hour |
| 16:52.10 | bz7984 | what are the advantages of 2.0? |
| 16:52.38 | JeffM2501 | gaphical improvments, bug fixes, new map features |
| 16:52.40 | DTRemenak | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2669 has a succinct list |
| 16:52.42 | JeffM2501 | a lot of stuff |
| 16:52.56 | bz7984 | my modem is only a 33.6 (my 56k modems died) and i am sortof out in the country, so i do good to get 3kB/sec download speed. |
| 16:53.24 | DTRemenak | ok, so an hour and a half :) assuming your modem does not randomly disconnect |
| 16:53.51 | ToughShooter | Eww, that doesn't sound like you could play online with other players. |
| 16:53.51 | DTRemenak | ToughShooter: yeah, you can |
| 16:53.51 | DTRemenak | end up with about 250ms pings |
| 16:54.05 | DTRemenak | that's where I was too. 21.6 connection speed out in the boonies |
| 16:54.26 | ToughShooter | Wow, I had really bad pings to the ununited states of america |
| 16:54.47 | bz7984 | how much bandwidth is required? |
| 16:54.56 | DTRemenak | about as much as you have :) |
| 16:55.10 | DTRemenak | if you run absolutely nothing else that uses the internet while you are playing, you can play acceptably |
| 16:55.31 | DTRemenak | no IM and definately no filesharing while playing ;) |
| 16:56.09 | DTRemenak | also do not connect to very busy servers, they have much higher traffic |
| 16:56.18 | bz7984 | filesharing-- i wouln't do that if i had a T3 line and IM is rarely used on my machine anyway |
| 16:56.21 | DTRemenak | go for servers with <=8 players |
| 16:56.48 | bz7984 | well, i believe that that answers about all my questions, thanks a bunch guys and have a great day- i gotta go now. |
| 16:57.02 | DTRemenak | just having an IM client running in the background sucks up a small amount of bandwidth. depending on the protocol that can be good enough or not :) |
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| 17:03.21 | Grumbler | ToughShooter, there was an article about how katrina has borked portions of the net........someone else may know more |
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| 17:08.18 | JeffM2501 | now to find out if my mobo supports a 250 gig ide, nativly |
| 17:08.50 | DTRemenak | surely you don't have a mobo that's THAT old |
| 17:09.03 | JeffM2501 | no I don't think I do |
| 17:09.23 | JeffM2501 | it's an MSI KT4 |
| 17:09.28 | DTRemenak | mine took a 250 without problems, and it's like three or four years old |
| 17:09.30 | JeffM2501 | should be good enough |
| 17:09.33 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:09.45 | DTRemenak | ECS K7S5A |
| 17:09.48 | JeffM2501 | fry's has a maxtor 250 for 99$ |
| 17:10.04 | JeffM2501 | well damn, if a little k7s5a can do it |
| 17:10.07 | DTRemenak | good deal |
| 17:10.09 | JeffM2501 | used to use those in everytyhing |
| 17:10.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah and it's 7200rpm with a 16 meg cache |
| 17:10.40 | DTRemenak | yeah, it was a fry's special. mobo + proc for $5 LESS than the proc alone |
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| 17:10.50 | DTRemenak | I was like, WTF? and bought it |
| 17:10.52 | JeffM2501 | gonna have to swap some partitions around, make it 2 120's |
| 17:11.08 | JeffM2501 | then I'll have a 40 for just linux if I decide to put that on my main |
| 17:11.13 | DTRemenak | cool |
| 17:11.34 | JeffM2501 | how hard is dual head to set up in X? |
| 17:11.38 | DTRemenak | currently I have an 80 and a 120 (and a 2) in mine |
| 17:11.54 | DTRemenak | not too difficult, my dad did it without my help |
| 17:11.55 | ruskie | ~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158 |
| 17:12.08 | DTRemenak | I was pleasantly surprised |
| 17:12.21 | PKMOBILE | i had 2 120's but one was a maxtor and it maxtored itself to death |
| 17:12.23 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:12.45 | PKMOBILE | even though the other was about 3 years older than it |
| 17:12.48 | DTRemenak | 'course that was on suse. SaX may make it a lot easier |
| 17:13.00 | JeffM2501 | SaX? |
| 17:13.06 | DTRemenak | suse's x configurator |
| 17:13.13 | DTRemenak | very slick |
| 17:13.15 | JeffM2501 | if I do nix on that it will posibly be the gentoo |
| 17:13.32 | DTRemenak | which mean's you'll be hittin' the config files to set it up :) |
| 17:13.37 | DTRemenak | means |
| 17:13.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:13.55 | JeffM2501 | or just buging purple_cow A LOT |
| 17:14.07 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 17:14.15 | JeffM2501 | it's ether that or debian |
| 17:14.46 | JeffM2501 | is it posible to mount NTFS volumes when in nix? |
| 17:14.52 | DTRemenak | read-only |
| 17:14.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:14.57 | JeffM2501 | that sucks |
| 17:15.06 | DTRemenak | and read-write if you're willing to accept a driver that says EXPERIMENTAL! |
| 17:15.17 | JeffM2501 | how bad is it REALY? |
| 17:15.27 | DTRemenak | in the olden days it was pretty bad |
| 17:15.46 | DTRemenak | now it's good enough that some bleeding-edge distros enable it by default. |
| 17:15.55 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 17:16.03 | JeffM2501 | so most of the times, it won't eat your data |
| 17:16.16 | DTRemenak | yeah. it's more reliable on older ntfs versions also |
| 17:16.29 | JeffM2501 | like the ones from NT4? |
| 17:16.31 | DTRemenak | so if you format your disk with 2k before installing xp on it you may have a better chance |
| 17:16.31 | bryjen | that it's been experimental for so long doesn't bode well |
| 17:16.46 | JeffM2501 | well ntfs has changed recently too |
| 17:16.48 | JeffM2501 | with XP |
| 17:16.52 | DTRemenak | yeah, exactly |
| 17:17.19 | JeffM2501 | well I allways have sasami to transfer data from one to another |
| 17:17.20 | DTRemenak | but you can ask xp setup not to reformat your drive, and it will use the older ntfs version |
| 17:17.26 | JeffM2501 | can you mount linux volumes in windows? |
| 17:17.33 | DTRemenak | kinda :) |
| 17:17.36 | DTRemenak | sometimes? |
| 17:17.42 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, these drives have all been formated new under XP |
| 17:18.01 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, you're telling me you don't have a 2k cd lying around? |
| 17:18.12 | JeffM2501 | I do, but why would i want the pain |
| 17:18.24 | JeffM2501 | it's not worth it |
| 17:18.29 | DTRemenak | windows has this little thing with case-insensitivity that can sometimes blow data away when you use your linux drives under windows |
| 17:18.42 | JeffM2501 | ahhh |
| 17:18.51 | JeffM2501 | wonder how samba handles that |
| 17:19.02 | DTRemenak | it has three different modes to handle it |
| 17:19.12 | DTRemenak | clobber, overwrite, disambiguate, or something like that |
| 17:19.19 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:19.57 | DTRemenak | at least it did when I set up the samba fileserver to demo for my highschool |
| 17:20.17 | JeffM2501 | I probabably have the default |
| 17:20.52 | DTRemenak | they were more impressed that I could hijack users from their domain and remap them onto the demo server |
| 17:21.30 | JeffM2501 | was there anything else I had to fix in bz before reease? |
| 17:21.39 | DTRemenak | did you break anything else? :) |
| 17:21.44 | JeffM2501 | I don't think so |
| 17:22.21 | DTRemenak | then I guess there's nothing else you need to fix |
| 17:22.34 | JeffM2501 | waiting on anything? |
| 17:23.04 | ToughShooter | Plug-ins for mac? |
| 17:23.06 | DTRemenak | I'd like to get the AIX fixes wrapped up into it, but I dunno how much longer that will take |
| 17:23.27 | JeffM2501 | that's brlcad, they may be working, it was part of the libtoolt hing |
| 17:23.39 | DTRemenak | be so much faster if I had shell access to an AIX box :( |
| 17:23.39 | JeffM2501 | but I think the makefiles for the plugins need to be updated |
| 17:24.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus there is an oft used platform |
| 17:24.15 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, can I suggest adding -g to all the plugin Makefiles? |
| 17:24.28 | ToughShooter | I've specified -fno_common and -bundle -supress undefined which made the plug-ins compile as loadable modules |
| 17:24.30 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you can add what ever you want to the makefiles |
| 17:24.34 | JeffM2501 | I never use them at all |
| 17:24.52 | DTRemenak | bzflag itself is built with -g and it would be nice to have uninterrupted backtraces |
| 17:24.52 | bryjen | the need to being auto-made |
| 17:24.54 | ToughShooter | but bzfs was shocked when I tried to load them |
| 17:25.22 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, let blrcad know, he's doing the mac side of geting it working, I don't even know how it's suposed to work |
| 17:26.11 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: He said it would work right now if I know how to build dynamic libs |
| 17:26.18 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:26.34 | JeffM2501 | then you guys should have no probs working it out then :) |
| 17:26.41 | ToughShooter | Sadly I tried and failed, so I created loadable modules (bundles) instead of dylibs |
| 17:28.11 | JeffM2501 | what's another word for 'object' |
| 17:28.19 | ToughShooter | entity |
| 17:28.32 | brlcad | thing |
| 17:28.38 | JeffM2501 | dohickey |
| 17:29.10 | JeffM2501 | looking for a name for a thing in a map file, no mater what it is |
| 17:29.25 | JeffM2501 | article, body, bulk, commodity, dealie-bob, dohickey, doodad, entity, fact, gadget, gimmick, gizmo, item, jobby, mass, matter, phenomenon, reality, something, substance, thing, volume, whatchamacallit, widget |
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| 17:29.42 | JeffM2501 | jobby is in the dictionary? |
| 17:29.44 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 17:29.49 | brlcad | doodad |
| 17:29.54 | UssEnterprise | Anyone wnat to join me in a game |
| 17:30.08 | UssEnterprise | I know an excellent server! I think its a louman design |
| 17:30.32 | UssEnterprise | No one is there... Freestyle, 5 secs to drop bad flag |
| 17:30.38 | JeffM2501 | entity may work, I'd like to reserve "object" for the class of things that actualy are visable on the map |
| 17:30.47 | UssEnterprise | anyone wanna come? |
| 17:30.50 | UssEnterprise | plz? |
| 17:31.01 | JeffM2501 | most of the players hang out in #bzchat or #bzleague |
| 17:31.09 | JeffM2501 | this is more developers |
| 17:31.11 | UssEnterprise | thanks.... |
| 17:31.29 | UssEnterprise | i just discovered the IRC thing... thx.. i dont really know C i know VB |
| 17:31.43 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:31.49 | UssEnterprise | join bzchat |
| 17:31.54 | UssEnterprise | oops.. forgot slash lol |
| 17:32.01 | JeffM2501 | and the # |
| 17:32.05 | UssEnterprise | thx |
| 17:32.22 | UssEnterprise | its been a while since i've talked on IRc |
| 17:32.37 | UssEnterprise | bye.. thanks |
| 17:33.42 | UssEnterprise | darn its blocked |
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| 17:44.50 | micmac | Hi all |
| 17:47.43 | micmac | I'm having some troubles playing bzflag. It works fine at first but then my keyboards lights the Num LED and refuses to work. I can't do nothing. Not even ctrl-alt-backspace. My mouse still works and Linux runs fine. I think this only happens in fullscreen mode. I'm using radeon kernel drivers. Any ideas? |
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| 18:05.00 | Birdie | gina! |
| 18:05.16 | gina | ~c |
| 18:05.18 | ibot | i heard c is for maniacs C code. C code run. Run, code, run. Please? |
| 18:05.32 | gina | ~cedric |
| 18:05.36 | Birdie | oh oh |
| 18:05.41 | gina | ~gina |
| 18:05.42 | ibot | Gina Is Not Acronymable. |
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| 18:54.52 | Inferno | hi |
| 18:56.53 | Tropican8 | My server won't let more than 5 players on, despite the 18 player config. Once 5 people join, anyone else who tries gets kicked. In the console I get a write error EAGAIN. I'm on XP Home, is this due to the 5 computer network limit on the OS? I thought it didn't apply to tcp/ip. |
| 18:57.49 | Tupone | go to free OS |
| 18:58.16 | Tropican8 | Unfortunatly I can't. Do I have any other options? |
| 18:58.29 | Tupone | WinXP professional ? |
| 18:58.53 | Tropican8 | Nope Home. I know there are some limits MS has in place. |
| 18:58.57 | Inferno | does anyone know what the pack template is for the bzflag protocol? |
| 18:59.05 | Tropican8 | No idea |
| 19:00.13 | Inferno | anyonr else gotta idea? |
| 19:00.25 | Tropican8 | My thought is it might have to do with a 5 player limit on UDP connections. I'm almost positive there is no limit in XP for tcp/ip. |
| 19:01.01 | Tropican8 | Could it be UDP? |
| 19:09.07 | Inferno | jeff, do you know what the pack temp is? |
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| 19:29.32 | Birdie | thelastspartan: test |
| 19:29.38 | Birdie | i think he frooze.. |
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| 19:35.30 | TD-Linux | ~shear |
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| 19:35.36 | TD-Linux | hmmm |
| 19:36.03 | TD-Linux | ~shear is a deformation of an object in which parallel planes remain parallel but are shifted in a direction parallel to themselves |
| 19:36.05 | ibot | TD-Linux: okay |
| 19:36.08 | TD-Linux | ~shear |
| 19:36.11 | ibot | well, shear is a deformation of an object in which parallel planes remain parallel but are shifted in a direction parallel to themselves |
| 19:36.26 | TD-Linux | ~shearing |
| 19:36.32 | TD-Linux | aww |
| 19:40.02 | Inferno | ~sheare |
| 19:40.05 | Inferno | ~shear |
| 19:40.09 | ibot | well, shear is a deformation of an object in which parallel planes remain parallel but are shifted in a direction parallel to themselves |
| 19:40.19 | Inferno | ~Linux |
| 19:40.20 | ibot | linux kicks your ass |
| 19:40.22 | TD-Linux | how do I view the bzflag list server stats with bzbloot? |
| 19:40.25 | TD-Linux | ~list |
| 19:40.27 | ibot | one warez list being sent |
| 19:40.33 | TD-Linux | ~bzlist |
| 19:40.36 | TD-Linux | ~stats |
| 19:40.37 | ibot | Since Wed Aug 31 04:58:12 2005, there have been 14 modifications, 83 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 108 commands. I have been awake for 14h 42m 24s this session, and currently reference 109151 factoids. I'm using about 18596 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1836.65/126.94 child 0.05/0.01 |
| 19:40.38 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 19:41.09 | Inferno | ~who |
| 19:41.25 | Inferno | ~bot |
| 19:41.27 | ibot | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 19:41.35 | TD-Linux | try #botpark |
| 19:41.43 | TD-Linux | at #botpark, ibot's name is purl |
| 19:41.58 | Inferno | oh |
| 19:42.13 | Inferno | ~getlost |
| 19:42.25 | Inferno | lol |
| 19:42.26 | Birdie | if you want to play with bots go to botpark |
| 19:42.34 | Inferno | ok |
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| 19:46.13 | win_xp | anyone know how to testa map in windows every tome I try to access the batch files my command prompt tells me my hard drive doesn't exist |
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| 19:47.17 | Inferno | ~getlost |
| 19:47.33 | win_xp | ok |
| 19:48.08 | Inferno | oops! he thought i was talking... :( |
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| 20:05.00 | JeffM2501 | man are humans stupid |
| 20:05.11 | RedBaron2 | i think so.. |
| 20:05.35 | JeffM2501 | I know so |
| 20:06.43 | Inferno | sometimes! |
| 20:06.56 | JeffM2501 | most times |
| 20:07.12 | Inferno | but, what isn't less stupid than a human O.o |
| 20:08.06 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 20:08.33 | Inferno | what is smarter than a human :p |
| 20:08.51 | JeffM2501 | dolphins |
| 20:09.12 | Inferno | ~dolphins |
| 20:09.22 | Inferno | really? |
| 20:09.25 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
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| 20:10.17 | JeffM2501 | the vain asumption that humanity is the pinacle of intelgence, is what will distroy it |
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| 20:10.58 | LouMan | hi - can anyone help me with a bzadmin problem I am having? |
| 20:11.57 | trepan | bad msg type error? |
| 20:12.02 | Inferno | what is your problem? |
| 20:12.09 | Inferno | LouMan? |
| 20:12.55 | LouMan | i am trying to set a flag reset bot using an established callsign and password and the server gives me an error even tho the account is set up... |
| 20:13.07 | JeffM2501 | whats the error? |
| 20:13.19 | LouMan | as admin, specifically, it gives me an error Communication error joining game [Wrong Code 6d67] |
| 20:13.31 | trepan | fixed in cvs |
| 20:13.43 | LouMan | ah - ok thx! |
| 20:13.52 | JeffM2501 | shoulda been fixed in the b17 as well ( if your on windows ) |
| 20:13.59 | Aribeth | hi LouMan |
| 20:14.09 | LouMan | ok - must rebuild my bzadmin :( takes a while |
| 20:14.20 | LouMan | hi Aribeth |
| 20:14.54 | brad2901 | JeffM2501: I don't suppose you could build bzadmin-pdcurses for windows? |
| 20:15.08 | JeffM2501 | LouMan, some changes were made to bzfs that changed the way it authenticated, and sent out messages in a difrent order, so bzadmin wasn't updated at the same time, so there are a couple incompatable versions of bzadmin out there. |
| 20:15.28 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, 1) where do I get it, and 2) how does one turn it on in the build? |
| 20:16.06 | brad2901 | JeffM2501: 1) in the source? 2) I dunno ;) |
| 20:16.09 | trepan | couple incompatable versions = all previous versions? |
| 20:16.21 | JeffM2501 | trepan, sure ;) |
| 20:16.31 | JeffM2501 | I was paraphrasing |
| 20:16.42 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, we have the source for pdcurses in bzfs? |
| 20:16.47 | JeffM2501 | sorry in our tree? |
| 20:17.19 | brad2901 | Lan posted a build on bzbb a while ago, I presumed it was in the CVS ree |
| 20:17.21 | brad2901 | tree |
| 20:17.30 | LouMan | It looks like I last compiled bzadmin 8/13 - would it have been fixed at that point? |
| 20:17.30 | JeffM2501 | LAN? |
| 20:17.40 | brad2901 | or is it Ian ? |
| 20:17.44 | JeffM2501 | if it was in our tree, then it woudl be built with us, as all I do is the default build |
| 20:17.58 | JeffM2501 | as far as I know there are 2 people who bould, DTR and myself |
| 20:18.46 | brad2901 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3733 |
| 20:18.49 | DTRemenak | we have support for bzadmin with pdcurses on MinGW |
| 20:18.53 | DTRemenak | not on Visual C++ |
| 20:18.56 | JeffM2501 | ahh ok |
| 20:18.58 | trepan | LouMan: fix -> date: 2005/08/21 |
| 20:19.04 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, do we just need a new build target? |
| 20:19.15 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yeah probably |
| 20:19.18 | JeffM2501 | I'd not trust anything lan makes |
| 20:19.24 | JeffM2501 | ok, we can look into seting it up |
| 20:19.31 | JeffM2501 | is there a #def for it in the code? |
| 20:19.37 | LouMan | trepan: thanks |
| 20:19.39 | DTRemenak | couple of them iirc |
| 20:19.43 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 20:19.51 | JeffM2501 | think we need debug AND release? |
| 20:19.54 | JeffM2501 | or just release? |
| 20:20.02 | DTRemenak | meh, just release |
| 20:20.36 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, #define HAVE_CURSES_H ought to do it |
| 20:20.37 | Inferno | wink |
| 20:20.41 | DTRemenak | plus a link target |
| 20:20.50 | JeffM2501 | ewwwww vcwin32.mak |
| 20:21.00 | DTRemenak | yeah it is very un vc-like |
| 20:21.32 | JeffM2501 | to the point where it dosn't seem to build |
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| 20:21.46 | DTRemenak | maybe that's why I didn't do it :) |
| 20:21.50 | DTRemenak | I knew there was a reason |
| 20:22.03 | DTRemenak | I just built it with mingw when I wanted it |
| 20:22.19 | JeffM2501 | does it offer anything REALY cool? |
| 20:22.26 | brad2901 | yes |
| 20:22.27 | DTRemenak | dude, it's a curses interface |
| 20:22.30 | DTRemenak | it's interactive |
| 20:22.40 | JeffM2501 | I don't know what curses even is |
| 20:22.45 | brad2901 | compared to the default windows bzadmin, it kicks @ass |
| 20:22.47 | brad2901 | opos |
| 20:22.48 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:22.53 | JeffM2501 | so that would be a "yes" |
| 20:22.56 | brad2901 | :) |
| 20:22.57 | DTRemenak | probably could do with a screenshot |
| 20:23.01 | JeffM2501 | it's ok |
| 20:23.02 | DTRemenak | and yeah, it's FAR more useful |
| 20:23.03 | JeffM2501 | I trust you |
| 20:23.11 | JeffM2501 | I wasn't sure if it was just like coloring |
| 20:23.30 | DTRemenak | big thing is that the area for the output and the input are separated |
| 20:23.33 | JeffM2501 | ok looking into it |
| 20:23.36 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 20:23.37 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:23.37 | DTRemenak | so you don't get lame echoings |
| 20:23.42 | brad2901 | and it doesn't disconnect every 10 seconds ;) |
| 20:23.48 | JeffM2501 | then it's worth spending a bit of time researching it |
| 20:23.52 | DTRemenak | and you can adjust the variables from the menus |
| 20:24.01 | brad2901 | but.. I found one thing wrong with it |
| 20:24.08 | JeffM2501 | found premade binarys |
| 20:24.12 | DTRemenak | and get a static, updating playerlist with scores and stuff |
| 20:24.14 | JeffM2501 | gotta see if it's DLL or not |
| 20:24.22 | brad2901 | you can't use it to log |
| 20:24.28 | brad2901 | it only has one interface |
| 20:25.36 | brad2901 | $ bzadmin -ui stdout |
| 20:25.36 | brad2901 | There is no interface called "stdout". |
| 20:25.37 | JeffM2501 | all I needed was "yes" |
| 20:26.25 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, should it be the default? |
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| 20:26.58 | DTRemenak | I am against the propagation of libraries into defaultness unless we start providing a lib pack |
| 20:27.07 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 20:27.11 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm all up for a lib pack |
| 20:28.33 | JeffM2501 | probably only needs to link to curses.lib ? |
| 20:28.39 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 20:29.00 | JeffM2501 | testing |
| 20:29.06 | JeffM2501 | found a premade lib set with vc libs |
| 20:29.12 | DTRemenak | ah, cool |
| 20:30.20 | JeffM2501 | you know there will be lib pack when I rule the world, we should probably just start geting ready for it ;) |
| 20:31.34 | JeffM2501 | we didn't include any of the curses files ether |
| 20:32.18 | JeffM2501 | do I don't build the "std" files? |
| 20:32.23 | JeffM2501 | and build the "curses" ones? |
| 20:32.58 | DTRemenak | you must build curses.* |
| 20:33.03 | DTRemenak | you should build std.* too |
| 20:33.15 | DTRemenak | err forget the .s |
| 20:33.22 | JeffM2501 | in the same binary? |
| 20:33.24 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 20:33.32 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:33.35 | DTRemenak | that's probably what lan didn't do which is why brad can't log |
| 20:33.49 | DTRemenak | 'cause he probably didn't build StdUIOut or whatever |
| 20:34.29 | JeffM2501 | l |
| 20:34.32 | JeffM2501 | k even |
| 20:36.01 | JeffM2501 | and the have_curses thing is only for bzadmin right? |
| 20:36.08 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 20:36.25 | DTRemenak | on nixes it's in config.h though |
| 20:36.25 | JeffM2501 | bzadmin error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol __imp__COLS referenced in function "public: void __thiscall CursesMenu::showMenu(void)" (?showMenu@CursesMenu@@QAEXXZ) |
| 20:36.45 | DTRemenak | you sure you're linking the lib in? |
| 20:36.52 | JeffM2501 | curses.lib] |
| 20:36.57 | JeffM2501 | first thing in the list |
| 20:37.03 | DTRemenak | and it's in your libs path? |
| 20:37.12 | JeffM2501 | copied it to the same place others were |
| 20:37.15 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 20:37.17 | JeffM2501 | and I don't get the "can't open" |
| 20:37.31 | JeffM2501 | it'd tell me it could find it first |
| 20:37.34 | JeffM2501 | it's finding it |
| 20:37.36 | JeffM2501 | unless I have 2 |
| 20:38.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah If I pull my lib from the dir I get |
| 20:38.54 | JeffM2501 | bzadmin fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file 'curses.lib' |
| 20:38.58 | JeffM2501 | so it's using that one |
| 20:39.26 | JeffM2501 | got it from here |
| 20:39.26 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:40.28 | DTRemenak | does your curses header match your curses library? |
| 20:40.33 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:40.37 | JeffM2501 | same places |
| 20:40.40 | JeffM2501 | tho I may need this |
| 20:40.41 | DTRemenak | weird. dunno what to say then |
| 20:40.41 | JeffM2501 | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/libgw32c.htm |
| 20:40.53 | JeffM2501 | says it's a requiremet at the end of |
| 20:40.54 | JeffM2501 | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/libgw32c.htm |
| 20:41.03 | JeffM2501 | bahh I can't paste |
| 20:41.04 | JeffM2501 | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/pdcurses.htm |
| 20:41.35 | DTRemenak | umm, why are you using gnuwin32's pdcurses? |
| 20:41.52 | JeffM2501 | cus it came up in the google search |
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| 20:42.16 | DTRemenak | that's built on a foreign framework, we don't want that |
| 20:42.21 | DTRemenak | try http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pdcurses/pdc24_vc_w32.zip?download |
| 20:42.23 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:42.27 | DTRemenak | couple versions old but it will work |
| 20:42.36 | DTRemenak | I built with 2.4 for a while |
| 20:42.36 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 20:42.53 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 20:42.54 | JeffM2501 | a dll |
| 20:42.59 | JeffM2501 | installer will need to change |
| 20:43.12 | DTRemenak | bah |
| 20:43.17 | JeffM2501 | no biggie |
| 20:43.37 | JeffM2501 | do you and I agree that we will do curses builds by default? |
| 20:43.45 | JeffM2501 | from now on? |
| 20:43.49 | JeffM2501 | I will |
| 20:44.10 | DTRemenak | sure |
| 20:44.19 | DTRemenak | if you can get it working |
| 20:44.22 | JeffM2501 | then I'll make the default installer use it |
| 20:44.26 | JeffM2501 | yeah once I get it working |
| 20:47.53 | JeffM2501 | wtf... bzadmin links to odbc.... |
| 20:49.09 | brad2901 | is that for the /set command? |
| 20:49.38 | JeffM2501 | ugg the curses links in the runtimes, static |
| 20:49.39 | JeffM2501 | so we conflict like crazy |
| 20:49.39 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:49.39 | DTRemenak | we will probably have to build it ourself then |
| 20:49.49 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 20:49.53 | JeffM2501 | trying a couple tricks |
| 20:49.57 | DTRemenak | I already build my own curl |
| 20:50.09 | DTRemenak | you should too, unless you've found one with c-ares built in |
| 20:50.13 | JeffM2501 | at least curl comes with a VC project |
| 20:51.36 | DTRemenak | we could make a vc project for pdcurses and send it back as a patch |
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| 20:52.07 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 20:52.14 | JeffM2501 | tho I'm revaluating all of bz now |
| 20:52.19 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:52.32 | JeffM2501 | ok, so you know how you include those runtime DLLs? |
| 20:52.36 | JeffM2501 | in the installer |
| 20:52.43 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 20:52.44 | JeffM2501 | guess what |
| 20:52.51 | JeffM2501 | bz is staticly linking in the runtimes |
| 20:52.59 | JeffM2501 | so they arn't used |
| 20:53.01 | DTRemenak | it won't run without the dlls |
| 20:53.06 | JeffM2501 | gonna make it all dynamic |
| 20:53.09 | JeffM2501 | shoudl fix many problems |
| 20:53.13 | DTRemenak | that would be cool |
| 20:53.17 | JeffM2501 | the lib is dynamic I think and WE are static |
| 20:53.22 | DTRemenak | since we need it anyway |
| 20:54.16 | JeffM2501 | well now I know why the stuff won't build on VC8 |
| 20:54.24 | JeffM2501 | VC8 dosn't HAVE static anymore |
| 20:54.29 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 20:55.00 | DTRemenak | oh, ya know why I bet they're required by our distribution? 'cause curl is built with dynamic linkage |
| 20:55.06 | DTRemenak | both yours and mine |
| 20:55.19 | DTRemenak | since it's a dll it doesn't cause conflicts |
| 20:55.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:55.28 | DTRemenak | but it does try to load the msvcp crud |
| 20:55.36 | JeffM2501 | shoudl work a lot better now |
| 20:56.57 | JeffM2501 | asuming it builds at all :) |
| 21:04.41 | JeffM2501 | unix files end in a 13 right? |
| 21:07.05 | JeffM2501 | so if it's got color, I have curses right? |
| 21:07.19 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 21:07.25 | DTRemenak | unix files are 10 |
| 21:07.25 | JeffM2501 | then it worked |
| 21:07.34 | JeffM2501 | ok so I ditch all the 13s then |
| 21:07.40 | DTRemenak | mac files were 13 until they went unixy |
| 21:07.56 | JeffM2501 | we don't any map files in old mac format |
| 21:08.15 | DTRemenak | hopefully not, although there are indications that it built on os9 once upon a time |
| 21:08.51 | JeffM2501 | I consider that an abomination |
| 21:10.07 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (22 files in 2 dirs): add a pdcurses release target for windows ( builds with DLL runtimes ) |
| 21:10.26 | JeffM2501 | that should do it |
| 21:10.39 | JeffM2501 | brad2901, want to test the bzadmin? |
| 21:11.17 | DTRemenak | did you switch everything to dll runtimes? |
| 21:11.22 | JeffM2501 | just in that one build |
| 21:11.27 | JeffM2501 | I'll do the other targets tongiht |
| 21:11.31 | DTRemenak | ok :) |
| 21:11.33 | RPG_ | huh? test? |
| 21:11.43 | JeffM2501 | it's a lot of clicking to change them all |
| 21:11.45 | DTRemenak | test, yeah, like what all those beta builds do |
| 21:11.50 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, perl is your friend |
| 21:11.58 | JeffM2501 | tho I guess I could just search for /MT and make it /MD |
| 21:12.06 | DTRemenak | yeah, or search and replace |
| 21:12.19 | JeffM2501 | I also like to verify the other settings |
| 21:12.25 | JeffM2501 | I found proejcts that were misset |
| 21:13.02 | brad2901 | JeffM2501: sure |
| 21:13.07 | JeffM2501 | well I'm sure we'll do an 18 soon |
| 21:13.16 | DTRemenak | perl -pi -e 's/\/MT/\/MD/;' *.vcproj |
| 21:13.55 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/bzadmin-curses.zip |
| 21:14.06 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, CTRL+SHIFT+F |
| 21:14.10 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 21:14.37 | JeffM2501 | and ASCII 13 is /r or /n ? |
| 21:14.47 | JeffM2501 | well \ |
| 21:15.15 | JeffM2501 | bastards took my ascii chart off my desk.... |
| 21:15.26 | menotume | 13=cr |
| 21:15.30 | menotume | 10=lf |
| 21:15.32 | DTRemenak | why are you even worrying about it? just use std::iostream inputs |
| 21:15.45 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, becaus i'm not doing it like that |
| 21:15.51 | JeffM2501 | I... have...a...plan.. |
| 21:16.08 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:16.09 | JeffM2501 | it's no longer an actual "file" |
| 21:16.23 | JeffM2501 | ohh I reember I did it in modeltool |
| 21:16.35 | JeffM2501 | or trepan did it |
| 21:16.57 | JeffM2501 | tokenize is my bestest friend EVAR |
| 21:17.20 | menotume | http://www.asciitable.com/ |
| 21:17.26 | DTRemenak | say, is there a nice way to nondestructively expand an ext3 partition? |
| 21:17.31 | JeffM2501 | fileText = TextUtils::replace_all(fileText,std::string("\r"),std::string("")); |
| 21:17.54 | DTRemenak | I keep getting crap like "ar: libbackends.a: No space left on device" and I want it to stop :( |
| 21:18.32 | menotume | DTRemenak: man parted |
| 21:18.33 | DTRemenak | I think I have a blank partition next in the partition table, if there was a way to just appropriate the space that'd be cool |
| 21:18.42 | menotume | i never tried it though |
| 21:18.57 | DTRemenak | No manual entry for parted |
| 21:19.39 | menotume | okies, http://meno.zapto.org/man90/?name=parted |
| 21:20.42 | RPG_ | JeffM: when you're not busy, i got some API requests for you |
| 21:22.01 | menotume | DTRemenak: The last time i wanted to use parted, it didn't support ext3 (1.5 years ago), but maybe it does now |
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| 21:22.08 | TD-Linux | ewwww |
| 21:22.12 | TD-Linux | I did ~yellow |
| 21:22.13 | DTRemenak | it claims to support ext3 for most operations |
| 21:23.08 | DTRemenak | I REALLY wish it would SAY it was nondestructive instead of just implying it though :) |
| 21:23.23 | DTRemenak | my data is on other partitions, worst I'd have to do is reinstall slack |
| 21:23.24 | menotume | lol |
| 21:23.47 | menotume | well yes, assuming it doesn't mess up the parition table ;) |
| 21:24.20 | DTRemenak | heh, how comforting... "Parted will always warn you before doing something that is potentially dangerous, unless it's something that's obviosuly dangerous" |
| 21:24.33 | menotume | lol ! |
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| 21:24.48 | menotume | that menas you have to know what is obvious :) |
| 21:24.59 | brad2901 | hmm, curses doesn't seem to work |
| 21:25.09 | brad2901 | it looks just like the default one |
| 21:25.09 | DTRemenak | menotume, exactly :) |
| 21:25.44 | DTRemenak | 'course I'm also curious if I moved something onto my "empty" partition |
| 21:25.59 | menotume | or rather, you have to know what _they_ think is obvious |
| 21:26.17 | DTRemenak | ah, it seems the next one up is /home |
| 21:26.51 | brad2901 | ahhh |
| 21:26.55 | brad2901 | I found the problem |
| 21:27.01 | DTRemenak | grr, it's hda8 that's empty |
| 21:27.03 | brad2901 | I still can't log with curses |
| 21:27.23 | brad2901 | If I change the interface it goes back to the crap bzadmin |
| 21:27.36 | menotume | perhpas just use the empty one, move and symlink something to it ? |
| 21:27.40 | brad2901 | you have to use -ui curses |
| 21:27.51 | DTRemenak | yeah, I'm thinking about moving /usr :) |
| 21:27.57 | menotume | ya |
| 21:28.24 | DTRemenak | not sure how big it is though |
| 21:29.17 | DTRemenak | heh, or I could just rm -rf /usr/pkgsrc since I'm not using it anymore :) |
| 21:29.57 | menotume | $> du -s /usr |
| 21:30.08 | DTRemenak | just a second, it's still deleting pkgsrc |
| 21:30.13 | menotume | hehe |
| 21:30.38 | DTRemenak | I built all of X, mesa, etc in pkgsrc and installed to pkg, when I was testing the bzflag pkgsrc build |
| 21:30.45 | menotume | ahhhh |
| 21:30.51 | DTRemenak | stilllll deleting |
| 21:30.56 | menotume | ya, i got a bunch of those lying around |
| 21:31.00 | menotume | wow |
| 21:31.52 | DTRemenak | pkgsrc is just a hell of a lot of small files really. and this is ext3, not xfs...small files are not in the optimized path :) |
| 21:32.47 | DTRemenak | ah, there we go |
| 21:32.49 | menotume | lol |
| 21:32.56 | DTRemenak | before: /dev/hda10 5679848 5629704 0 100% / |
| 21:32.59 | menotume | .me is lazy, and just uses ext3 everywhere |
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| 21:33.06 | DTRemenak | after: /dev/hda10 5679848 4716412 670252 88% / |
| 21:33.16 | menotume | cool |
| 21:33.24 | menotume | hda 10 !?? |
| 21:33.28 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 21:33.32 | menotume | lots of parts |
| 21:33.36 | DTRemenak | hda1 is win2k |
| 21:33.48 | menotume | ah haa |
| 21:33.51 | DTRemenak | hda4 is the extended partition |
| 21:34.01 | DTRemenak | so hda5 is /storage (fat32) |
| 21:34.14 | menotume | gotya |
| 21:34.37 | DTRemenak | hda6 is used for emulation junk that screws with filesystems |
| 21:34.39 | menotume | /storage can be shared between os's ? |
| 21:34.43 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 21:34.49 | DTRemenak | that's the drive I mount everywhere |
| 21:34.58 | DTRemenak | 60gb of stuff |
| 21:35.09 | menotume | zowie |
| 21:35.43 | DTRemenak | hda7 is swap |
| 21:35.50 | DTRemenak | hda8 is empty |
| 21:35.58 | DTRemenak | hda9 is /wine |
| 21:36.02 | DTRemenak | hda10 is / |
| 21:36.04 | DTRemenak | hda11 is /home |
| 21:36.33 | menotume | kewl, makes sense |
| 21:36.36 | DTRemenak | hdb1 is /win98 |
| 21:36.41 | DTRemenak | hdb5 is extended |
| 21:36.51 | DTRemenak | hdb6 is redhat's / |
| 21:36.59 | DTRemenak | hdb7 is /oldhome |
| 21:37.24 | DTRemenak | hdb8 is...uh...I dunno. some ext3 part |
| 21:37.32 | TD-Linux | don't tell me there is a hdc... |
| 21:37.32 | menotume | what? no /boot ? |
| 21:37.35 | DTRemenak | hdb9 is swap |
| 21:37.47 | DTRemenak | hdb10 is suse's / |
| 21:37.54 | DTRemenak | hdb11 is /oldstorage |
| 21:38.08 | DTRemenak | which needs to be de-duplicated and cleaned up |
| 21:38.24 | DTRemenak | oh, hdb3 is FreeBSD, at the end of the drive |
| 21:39.36 | DTRemenak | then there's sda1, which is os/2 |
| 21:40.03 | TimRiker | someone nuked the wiki. restoring from the 17th. |
| 21:41.26 | purple_cow | hah, os/2 |
| 21:42.15 | DTRemenak | tried to get bzflag to compile on os/2 once. that was a waste of a week :) |
| 21:42.31 | menotume | sdc1 is win2k-backup, sdc5 is /storage-backup ... ... ... |
| 21:42.46 | DTRemenak | no, only 3 drives in this box :) |
| 21:42.52 | menotume | hehe |
| 21:43.21 | DTRemenak | and sda is hardly worth mentioning. I keep it in there because I don't have an active terminator and my scsi card goes nuts without termination :) |
| 21:43.43 | DTRemenak | I don't think os/2 will actually boot on this machine |
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| 21:44.00 | DTRemenak | it did on my athlon 750 though |
| 21:51.54 | TD-Linux | openldap wins! |
| 21:52.32 | DTRemenak | this time, I win |
| 21:52.41 | DTRemenak | once I beat berkeleydb |
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| 22:29.14 | TD-Laptop | tada! |
| 22:29.30 | TD-Laptop | oh oh, I think I might have to go soon again |
| 22:29.56 | TD-Laptop | awww, no #masterbot |
| 22:30.27 | TD-Laptop | this is odd |
| 22:30.34 | TD-Laptop | wait, nvm |
| 22:31.47 | JeffM2501 | why would we support IRC for somone else's project? |
| 22:35.58 | TD-Laptop | oh |
| 22:36.00 | TD-Laptop | good point |
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| 22:45.33 | LouMan | ok, still having trouble with bzadmin giving 'Communication error joining game [Wrong Code 6d67] - any ideas anyone? |
| 22:45.53 | LouMan | i just checked out and compiled from cvs |
| 22:45.56 | JeffM2501 | what version of bzadmin are you using, and to connect to what version of bzfs? |
| 22:46.08 | JeffM2501 | so cvs admin |
| 22:46.14 | JeffM2501 | to a cvs server? |
| 22:46.18 | JeffM2501 | or a 2.0.2 ? |
| 22:46.25 | LouMan | i am using linux, and i am trying to connect to bzflag.bz server |
| 22:46.41 | JeffM2501 | what version is on bzflag.bz? |
| 22:46.47 | LouMan | specifically, louman.bzflag.bz:5156 |
| 22:46.58 | LouMan | i wish i could tell you |
| 22:47.08 | JeffM2501 | connect with bzflag, it'll tell you the server version |
| 22:47.15 | LouMan | k, thx |
| 22:49.04 | linuxidiot | it's 2.0.3.20050813-DEVEL-freebsd5.2.1-SDL |
| 22:49.10 | LouMan | 2.0.3.20050813-DEVEL-freebsd5.2.1-SDL |
| 22:49.16 | LouMan | lol |
| 22:49.21 | JeffM2501 | kinda old |
| 22:49.27 | JeffM2501 | may need to update it |
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| 22:49.32 | linuxidiot | I was able to connect with cvs version (day old) |
| 22:49.53 | JeffM2501 | LouMan, how old is your cvs? |
| 22:50.19 | LouMan | i just compiled 1 hour ago (sorry - don't know how to pm) |
| 22:50.37 | JeffM2501 | but when did you cvs update? |
| 22:50.40 | JeffM2501 | not just compile |
| 22:50.51 | LouMan | i also checked it out today |
| 22:50.57 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 22:51.05 | JeffM2501 | trepan woudl be the person to ask about it then |
| 22:51.12 | LouMan | ok, thx! |
| 22:51.31 | linuxidiot | may I ask a question about sound/linux? |
| 22:51.49 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 22:52.08 | linuxidiot | I have a cvs version compiled on ubuntu |
| 22:52.14 | linuxidiot | I get no sound |
| 22:52.39 | linuxidiot | I have blindly plugged stuff into the settings in the client |
| 22:52.49 | JeffM2501 | what does it say when you start up for audio driver? |
| 22:52.58 | linuxidiot | but have not hit on aything that works - but I hear it should work wiothout that |
| 22:53.00 | JeffM2501 | and what sound system do you ahve? |
| 22:53.04 | linuxidiot | alsa |
| 22:53.15 | linuxidiot | let me see what it says |
| 22:53.15 | JeffM2501 | ask Tupone, he is the alsa master |
| 22:53.23 | linuxidiot | ah |
| 22:53.27 | linuxidiot | ok |
| 22:53.28 | JeffM2501 | alsa has been problimatic for some |
| 22:53.38 | JeffM2501 | he has helped them solve it many times |
| 22:53.51 | linuxidiot | well I had to make my own SDL too and I barely know enough to do that |
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| 22:53.59 | JeffM2501 | I just don't remember his answers and would not wish to steer you wrong :) |
| 22:54.06 | linuxidiot | ok thnx |
| 22:54.32 | Tupone | what message did you get on the chat area? audio driver : ???? |
| 22:55.27 | linuxidiot | Audio Driver: audio not available |
| 22:55.50 | linuxidiot | I do have sounds in gnome |
| 22:56.35 | linuxidiot | and the ./configure in SDL 'saw' OSS and ALSA |
| 22:56.57 | Tupone | options->audio setting->driver what does it say ? |
| 22:57.30 | linuxidiot | nothing now - originally was blank - I tried setting it to alsa but that did not do anything |
| 22:57.48 | Tupone | can you put again alsa |
| 22:58.07 | Tupone | press return to accept it |
| 22:58.10 | linuxidiot | yes |
| 22:58.15 | Tupone | and then restart bzflag |
| 22:58.22 | linuxidiot | what do I put for the next line |
| 22:58.26 | Tupone | do you still see alsa there ? |
| 22:58.27 | linuxidiot | anything? |
| 22:58.28 | Tupone | nothing |
| 22:58.31 | linuxidiot | ok |
| 22:58.33 | linuxidiot | one sec |
| 22:59.44 | linuxidiot | it still said alsa....but on the command line it said Couldn't open audio: No available audio device |
| 23:00.00 | Tupone | you should stop any other alsa user |
| 23:00.19 | Tupone | remove sound from gnome |
| 23:00.22 | linuxidiot | ah so gnome has it 'owned' |
| 23:00.33 | linuxidiot | ok |
| 23:00.38 | linuxidiot | i'll try that |
| 23:00.49 | Tupone | unless you have an multichannel that to hardware mixing |
| 23:01.14 | Tupone | s/to/do/ |
| 23:02.12 | linuxidiot | don't think so (nforce4) - now I have to figure out how to stop gnome from grabbing sound :) |
| 23:02.52 | Tupone | kill esd :) |
| 23:03.06 | linuxidiot | of course it is not as easy as unchecking sounds for events in preferences - sound |
| 23:03.24 | linuxidiot | ah - find the process and kill it? |
| 23:03.40 | Tupone | not sure, but can work |
| 23:03.50 | linuxidiot | done |
| 23:04.09 | linuxidiot | volia |
| 23:04.12 | linuxidiot | sound :) |
| 23:04.15 | linuxidiot | thanks! |
| 23:04.21 | Tupone | yw |
| 23:04.32 | JeffM2501 | see he's the master :) |
| 23:04.42 | DTRemenak | ~Tupone++ |
| 23:04.43 | linuxidiot | that was good! |
| 23:05.09 | linuxidiot | ~Tupone |
| 23:05.11 | ibot | somebody said tupone was the fellow who put SDL in BZFlag! how can you not know him! |
| 23:05.18 | linuxidiot | hehe - I guess I can't do that |
| 23:05.34 | linuxidiot | thanks - bye |
| 23:05.56 | Tupone | I'm just lucky, I still don't know where I can find the alsa device, but till now, the debugging stopper before :) |
| 23:06.04 | Tupone | stopped even |
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| 23:52.27 | I_Died_Once | woot |
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| 23:58.16 | I_Died_Once | You guys talk too much |