| 00:04.31 | JeffM2501 | he asked who to get credit cards from, I told him to talk to lilo |
| 00:04.46 | blast007 | heh |
| 00:04.57 | Gnurdux | !cc asks where to get credit cards |
| 00:04.58 | TheLastSpartan | Gnurdux: what are you smoking, and did you bring enough for everyone? |
| 00:05.08 | Gnurdux | strange |
| 00:05.19 | Gnurdux | ooohhh |
| 00:05.23 | Gnurdux | gawd |
| 00:05.31 | Gnurdux | wow |
| 00:05.39 | Gnurdux | YOU should talk to lilo |
| 00:05.45 | Gnurdux | he could get a K-line |
| 00:05.59 | JeffM2501 | it'll take care of itself |
| 00:06.04 | Gnurdux | y? |
| 00:07.44 | JeffM2501 | q? |
| 00:08.03 | Gnurdux | well i just msged to lilo |
| 00:08.27 | blast007 | Gnurdux: asking for credit cards too? ;) |
| 00:08.27 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:08.37 | Gnurdux | and conect isnt on anymore |
| 00:08.42 | Gnurdux | i hope he got /killed :) |
| 00:08.48 | JeffM2501 | it's just one dumbass, not worth the effort of a kline |
| 00:09.00 | Gnurdux | i know |
| 00:09.10 | Gnurdux | wait a kline takes no effort |
| 00:09.16 | Gnurdux | /kline dude |
| 00:09.17 | Gnurdux | thats i |
| 00:09.19 | JeffM2501 | prety sure it was mikee |
| 00:10.48 | JeffM2501 | he asked why I baned him, I sent him the freenode usage policy |
| 00:11.39 | Gnurdux | lol |
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| 00:12.49 | ds | random question someone related to bzflag: at what round-trip-time does game play start to suck? |
| 00:13.58 | orchid | round-trip time? |
| 00:14.01 | JeffM2501 | depends on the number of players usualy |
| 00:14.07 | JeffM2501 | 100-200ms is lagy for me |
| 00:14.14 | orchid | oh ping |
| 00:14.29 | orchid | 200 I go for another server |
| 00:15.07 | ds | ok, that's about what I was guessing. thanks. |
| 00:15.33 | orchid | ds: shot count can help, if you have 10 shots lag isnt such a big deal |
| 00:15.56 | orchid | if you play ctf with 2 shots then a player with 200ms lag is tough to kill |
| 00:16.52 | ds | I'm trying to get numbers to demonstrate that non-shaped network queues are a uniformly dumb idea |
| 00:17.10 | ds | specifically at the ISP level |
| 00:17.45 | a_monkey | http://rafb.net/paste/results/0r9h4251.html |
| 00:17.57 | a_monkey | i'm trying to make the control panel border transparent |
| 00:18.03 | a_monkey | in ControlPanel.cxx |
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| 00:18.20 | a_monkey | depending on your setting for "control panel and radar opacity" |
| 00:18.26 | a_monkey | doesn't work though |
| 00:18.32 | a_monkey | anyone know why? |
| 00:20.04 | a_monkey | i'm not a total c++ expert geek dude |
| 00:20.10 | a_monkey | just to let you know |
| 00:20.34 | JeffM2501 | why is it const? |
| 00:20.43 | JeffM2501 | and what does it return |
| 00:20.51 | a_monkey | no idea. |
| 00:20.53 | JeffM2501 | and is the current fragement being drawn with alpha? |
| 00:21.02 | a_monkey | well yes |
| 00:21.06 | a_monkey | it's supposed to |
| 00:21.16 | a_monkey | because i'm using "opacity" as the alpha |
| 00:21.17 | JeffM2501 | what was the old code? |
| 00:21.24 | a_monkey | brb |
| 00:21.32 | JeffM2501 | but is the current blend and alpha mode set to use the alpha? |
| 00:22.17 | a_monkey | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Ij5HA766.html |
| 00:22.20 | blast007 | you need a glEnable(GL_BLEND); |
| 00:22.22 | a_monkey | i don't know |
| 00:22.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/BackgroundRenderer.cxx: add a safety for the ground normal in experimental mode |
| 00:22.25 | Gnurdux | heh im getting invalid team on the game |
| 00:22.29 | a_monkey | blast007: oooooooohhhhhhhhh |
| 00:22.41 | blast007 | just make sure to disable afterwards ;) |
| 00:22.56 | blast007 | (after it draws the lines) |
| 00:25.05 | blast007 | ah, and you might want to do the blend only if (BZDBCache::blend && _renderer.getPanelOpacity() < 1.0f) |
| 00:28.50 | a_monkey | oh yes |
| 00:28.54 | a_monkey | that would be efficient |
| 00:30.06 | blast007 | you can still use the glColor4f one when blending is not enabled too, as it will just ignore the opacity |
| 00:30.13 | a_monkey | oh |
| 00:30.14 | a_monkey | ok |
| 00:30.51 | blast007 | if you look for "// nice blended messages background", that gives a working example of all that |
| 00:31.21 | JeffM2501 | I'm kind of sad that was the best that mikie could come up with |
| 00:31.40 | blast007 | JeffM2501: yeah, pretty pathetic :) |
| 00:33.25 | a_monkey | does glDisable(GL_BLEND); get ignored if it's already disabled? |
| 00:33.29 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:33.32 | a_monkey | ok thx |
| 00:33.36 | JeffM2501 | GL is a statemachine |
| 00:33.41 | JeffM2501 | so it is all about seting states |
| 00:33.52 | JeffM2501 | bzflag resets states to what they were quite often :) |
| 00:33.58 | JeffM2501 | mostly in the font system |
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| 00:36.01 | a_monkey | also, what's the difference between glColor3fv and glColor3f ? |
| 00:36.15 | JeffM2501 | the former takes an array |
| 00:36.24 | JeffM2501 | where the later takes 3 paramaters |
| 00:37.36 | JeffM2501 | http://www.google.com/search?q=openGL+red+book |
| 00:38.03 | JeffM2501 | blue book is usefull |
| 00:38.05 | JeffM2501 | as well |
| 00:41.03 | a_monkey | oh thanks |
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| 00:43.17 | trepan | orange: got a recording with the whitening looping on silvercat:5153 |
| 00:44.07 | trepan | roampos: -28.282 163.522 11.156 327.346 -14.429 |
| 00:44.26 | trepan | hits times at 1:30:03, 1:29:16, 1:29:02 |
| 00:45.42 | orange | trepan: even with your newer version then? |
| 00:48.04 | orange | trepan: for me those flashes are lasting just under a second |
| 00:48.23 | trepan | same here, less then a sec |
| 00:48.40 | trepan | orange: my client doesn't have the reversion for the whitening at the moment |
| 00:48.40 | orange | two there |
| 00:49.07 | orange | but how interesting they're happening at the same time in the replay |
| 00:49.22 | trepan | yup :) |
| 00:49.31 | orange | reproducibility is nice |
| 00:49.31 | trepan | think it is roampos dependant as well |
| 00:50.51 | orange | do you get two around 1:29:15? |
| 00:50.59 | trepan | yup |
| 00:51.33 | trepan | nice to have the game timer available too ;) |
| 00:52.38 | trepan | not console or radar related (disabled 'em) |
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| 00:55.37 | trepan | orange: think the reversion fixed it |
| 00:55.49 | orange | very cool |
| 00:56.02 | orange | in anon cvs? |
| 00:56.25 | trepan | ah, nope, didn't |
| 01:01.44 | brlcad | heh, a redhead.. jeff's funny |
| 01:03.35 | a_monkey | "if (opacity < 1.0f)" makes sure that opacity is less than 1.0f of course |
| 01:03.51 | a_monkey | so how do i make sure that opacity is less than 1.0f but more than 0.0f |
| 01:04.17 | a_monkey | "if (0.0f < opacity < 1.0f)"? |
| 01:04.32 | a_monkey | i tried that, doesn't work |
| 01:06.44 | a_monkey | maybe i should just use "if (opacity > 0.0f && opacity < 1.0f)"? |
| 01:07.12 | learner | bingo |
| 01:07.24 | learner | course you could have tried it too |
| 01:07.28 | a_monkey | i thought there was an all-in-one package though |
| 01:07.32 | a_monkey | i guess not |
| 01:07.44 | learner | it's all on one line, what more do you want :) |
| 01:07.49 | a_monkey | lol |
| 01:11.22 | brlcad | ahh, that explains it if conect|VERIFIEd-d-VIL-H is mikee |
| 01:17.46 | trepan | brlcad: a friend for life ;) |
| 01:18.01 | brlcad | hehe |
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| 01:35.40 | TD-Linux | ~yawn |
| 01:35.41 | ibot | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
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| 01:56.22 | trepan | http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/08/24/news_6131845.html |
| 02:05.09 | learner | so should we participate in the beta too voluntarily? :) |
| 02:06.40 | trepan | free publicity, first OSS game to comply ;-) |
| 02:07.37 | learner | could have the list server auto-add players to the banlist after 3 hours if their addr is in china :) |
| 02:08.19 | trepan | not auto-updated, is it? |
| 02:08.44 | learner | dude, it is a big image, and it's being compressed massively |
| 02:08.51 | learner | ~ww |
| 02:08.53 | ibot | Sucker. |
| 02:09.07 | learner | auto-updated? |
| 02:09.14 | trepan | the masterban list |
| 02:09.28 | learner | that could be fixed -- list server could push to it |
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| 02:12.54 | trepan | not badly enough to fix it for yourself though, heh? |
| 02:13.10 | a-delusion | ive been tying for days |
| 02:13.31 | a-delusion | dont have the skill to fix what needs fixed |
| 02:14.12 | trepan | be the little train that could |
| 02:14.37 | a-delusion | i just finished six hours, every hint I could come up with |
| 02:14.45 | trepan | choo choo |
| 02:14.56 | a-delusion | chuggachugga |
| 02:15.02 | a-delusion | beer beer |
| 02:15.32 | a-delusion | if i had some clue...I only want the on plugin, racetoseven |
| 02:15.36 | trepan | it didn't go, "i drink a can, i drink a can" |
| 02:16.08 | a-delusion | I only drink bottles |
| 02:16.57 | a-delusion | if someone could just do a mac build of racetoseven... but the server still probably wont accept it |
| 02:19.20 | learner | a-delusion, if I had felt like it, I would have started on it tonight |
| 02:19.26 | learner | but I didn't |
| 02:19.38 | a-delusion | nwhat makes you feel like it |
| 02:20.15 | learner | not working a 14 hour day |
| 02:20.33 | learner | and not having to get up at 6 tomorrow |
| 02:20.53 | a-delusion | thats a good one, you should get a job like mine... |
| 02:20.57 | a-delusion | no job |
| 02:21.29 | a-delusion | I'm a landlord, most of my time is picking up checks |
| 02:21.38 | learner | one of the FLAGS is 00000100 another is 00000001, etc |
| 02:21.42 | learner | jeesh |
| 02:21.44 | learner | ~ww |
| 02:21.45 | ibot | Wrong window, you fool! |
| 02:22.04 | trepan | nap time for the erudite? |
| 02:22.13 | learner | a-delusion, I do it because I enjoy it, not because I have to |
| 02:22.52 | a-delusion | i understand. |
| 02:23.11 | a-delusion | just trying to push gently |
| 02:24.18 | a-delusion | And thankyou for all you do |
| 02:26.06 | learner | heh, the thanks is appreciated |
| 02:26.47 | learner | it should be done soon -- just need to let the libtoolization settle down a little before jumping into the plugins and making more non-static libs |
| 02:26.59 | learner | that'll require a fair bit more testing and collaboration |
| 02:27.19 | learner | to rip out the current linux-based dynamic lib fudgery |
| 02:27.56 | a-delusion | yeah, libtool is the last error i get in cvs now |
| 02:28.41 | a-delusion | i dont have glibtool, have to use libtool |
| 02:29.12 | learner | that's just a warning |
| 02:30.21 | a-delusion | well, i used the command it said to use anyway, it worked |
| 02:33.11 | learner | that just makes the warning go away :) |
| 02:33.49 | learner | huh? |
| 02:34.14 | a-delusion | ni had a c-ares library designed for osx10.4 installed on osx10.3 |
| 02:34.31 | a-delusion | nhad to do a complete system re-install to fix it |
| 02:37.38 | learner | and not the naptime thing -- it is nap time, though |
| 02:39.47 | a-delusion | goodnite learner, |
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| 02:46.57 | Gnurdux | how do you get the playerid from the GameKeeper::player? |
| 02:48.23 | Gnurdux | ? |
| 02:48.45 | Gnurdux | ah wair |
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| 03:38.29 | orange | trepan: have you tried riding with lux in that recording? -- lotsa white, moving around, too |
| 03:53.44 | orange | any viper admins on here? |
| 03:54.03 | orange | any developer want to see something very weird? |
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| 04:27.32 | bz0439 | Hello? |
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| 04:28.03 | orange | hello bz0439 |
| 04:28.09 | orange | goodbye bz0439 |
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| 04:28.18 | Aribeth | hi orange |
| 04:28.22 | Matey | Hi |
| 04:28.22 | orange | hi aribeth :-) |
| 04:28.33 | orange | ahoy matey |
| 04:28.35 | Matey | Hey I have a question |
| 04:28.41 | Aribeth | arrr Matey |
| 04:28.45 | Matey | lol |
| 04:28.56 | Matey | how do you create a world |
| 04:29.17 | Aribeth | bzedit, a 3D modeler |
| 04:29.32 | Matey | link plz |
| 04:29.40 | orange | and I was going to suggest something from hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy |
| 04:29.50 | Aribeth | google should work |
| 04:29.51 | Matey | Ive been looking all over |
| 04:29.55 | Matey | k |
| 04:29.59 | Aribeth | also check the forums |
| 04:30.04 | orange | ~google bzedit |
| 04:30.27 | orange | ok then |
| 04:30.33 | Aribeth | !google bzedit |
| 04:30.34 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: WTF? |
| 04:30.38 | Aribeth | heh |
| 04:30.58 | orchid | hmm no google |
| 04:31.05 | orange | ~bzfs |
| 04:31.09 | ibot | well, bzfs is the BZflag server, you need: -publicaddr server.name.com:5154 *and* -public " come play here" must be set in your bzfs.conf, *also* open the port (5154 in this case) in your firewall/router *also* see http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/CreatingAServer, or see http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 04:31.29 | orange | that might have some valuable info, those links |
| 04:48.54 | Matey | Can you make a custom tank? |
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| 04:49.42 | Matey | Hello? |
| 04:55.49 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 04:55.52 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30040) is 68°F (12:10 AM EDT on August 26, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 68°F. UV: 0 out of 16 |
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| 04:56.34 | Aribeth | hi Sporty |
| 04:57.08 | Aribeth | 92% humidity? that aint humid :P |
| 05:44.33 | SportChick | hi ari |
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| 08:33.18 | bz5903 | i |
| 08:33.20 | bz5903 | hi |
| 08:34.11 | bz5903 | i'm a new user of bZflag... I looked for a tutorial to play... but i didn't find anything |
| 08:34.35 | bz5903 | could someone tell me where i can find it |
| 08:34.35 | bz5903 | ? |
| 08:38.14 | _Manu_ | bz5903, http://bzflag.org/wiki/ |
| 09:15.49 | Pimpi | ~shellshock |
| 09:38.51 | _Manu_ | good morning Pimpi |
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| 11:22.44 | learner | shellshock.bzflag.bz |
| 11:27.01 | ToughShooter | Hmpf, I shouldn't fix the permissions from within Disk-Utility :( |
| 11:29.46 | ToughShooter | "fixing" the symlinks results in being not able to built BZFlag any more |
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| 11:51.02 | DTRemenak | and we all know what a disaster that is ;) |
| 11:52.56 | ToughShooter | It means removing the old Dev. Tools, reinstalling, then re-booting to get rid of old libs in memory and then it'll work again :/ |
| 11:56.19 | DTRemenak | you should never have to reboot your computer unless you upgrade your kernel :) |
| 11:57.03 | ToughShooter | There is no way to unload the .dylibs other that re-booting |
| 12:00.03 | DTRemenak | see, that's silly. terminating the parent process should clean up any zero-reference shared libs also |
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| 13:26.16 | ToughShooter | Yeeehaw, I got a mac plugin compiling |
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| 13:29.45 | ToughShooter | Should I've written cockadoodledo? ;) |
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| 13:49.05 | ruskie | ouch my wrist hurts from playing... |
| 13:49.06 | Gnurdux | right now im getting invalid team won the game :( |
| 13:49.17 | ruskie | but atleast had a nice challange :) |
| 13:49.43 | ToughShooter | Hmpf, bzfs doesn't like my Mach-O PPC Loadable Bundle :( |
| 14:03.01 | RatOmeter | think you shot me more than a few times, ruskie |
| 14:03.30 | ruskie | hmmm not really |
| 14:03.40 | ruskie | was more or less hunting deep freeze, logwad and wyid |
| 14:03.57 | ruskie | since those are the ppl that most often shot me |
| 14:04.23 | RatOmeter | let's just say I got shot more than a few times (as usual). On rare occasions, I can keep my score near zero |
| 14:04.28 | Gnurdux | yay fixed |
| 14:04.52 | Gnurdux | people come over to gnurdux.homelinux.net:5155 and ill show off my "race to the teleport" feature |
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| 14:35.17 | I_Died_Once | Anyone alive in here? |
| 14:36.02 | I_Died_Once | To whoever is concerned - todays CVS source won't compile |
| 14:38.40 | ruskie | :) |
| 14:38.45 | ruskie | it's cvs |
| 14:38.52 | ToughShooter | Are you on Mac OS X? |
| 14:38.53 | ruskie | doesn't mean it'll build each and every time |
| 14:39.02 | I_Died_Once | I'm on Linux |
| 14:39.07 | Grumbler | buit for me...must just be you |
| 14:39.17 | I_Died_Once | I compile it daily and run Planet MoFo on it |
| 14:39.20 | ToughShooter | Works for me, too |
| 14:39.38 | Grumbler | suggest you put the problem in a pastebin for dev monkeys |
| 14:39.56 | I_Died_Once | try the latest, most current rightnow version |
| 14:40.10 | I_Died_Once | mine craps out during make |
| 14:40.23 | orchid | ~pastebin |
| 14:40.28 | ibot | pastebin is probably a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 14:40.31 | I_Died_Once | I posted it on the forums |
| 14:40.45 | I_Died_Once | so I done already done that |
| 14:40.57 | I_Died_Once | in the CVS board |
| 14:41.31 | I_Died_Once | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 14:41.42 | I_Died_Once | i586-suse-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lslang |
| 14:41.51 | I_Died_Once | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 14:42.40 | Grumbler | well, i checked here, works for me......the latest |
| 14:43.03 | I_Died_Once | you guys all suck |
| 14:43.16 | Grumbler | i had issues yesterday that cleared up after i used automake1.9 and libtools loaded on debian |
| 14:43.34 | I_Died_Once | I'm on suse |
| 14:43.45 | I_Died_Once | server is on 9.2 |
| 14:43.49 | I_Died_Once | woot |
| 14:44.06 | Grumbler | heh, someone was working suse stuff yesterday.... |
| 14:44.29 | Grumbler | well if you posted it, one of the more knowledgable people will get to it |
| 14:46.43 | menotume | slang library? what is that? |
| 14:47.20 | I_Died_Once | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.07 | menotume | "S-Lang is an interpreted language that was designed from the start to |
| 14:48.07 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.07 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.09 | menotume | hmmm |
| 14:48.16 | I_Died_Once | `pastebin |
| 14:48.21 | I_Died_Once | ~pastebin |
| 14:48.22 | ibot | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 14:48.37 | menotume | 3 lines is acceptable :) |
| 14:48.40 | orchid | theres a bzflag one too |
| 14:48.43 | I_Died_Once | oh, ok |
| 14:48.46 | orchid | !pastebin |
| 14:48.46 | TheLastSpartan | orchid: But I am le-tired. |
| 14:48.50 | orchid | bah |
| 14:49.08 | I_Died_Once | ~n |
| 14:49.09 | ibot | n is, like, the disease bzflag players get when they play too much |
| 14:49.17 | I_Died_Once | nI wonder... |
| 14:49.19 | Grumbler | looks like the daughter is rebelling against the mom there |
| 14:49.22 | I_Died_Once | nWhat the means |
| 14:49.51 | I_Died_Once | ~mofo |
| 14:49.52 | Grumbler | I_Died_Once, i will assume you have been compiling from scratch |
| 14:49.52 | menotume | imo, it means it shouldnn't be there :) |
| 14:52.28 | *** topic/#bzflag by orchid -> || paste errors http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 14:52.35 | orchid | :-| |
| 14:53.11 | menotume | ahh, short topic |
| 14:53.21 | *** topic/#bzflag by orchid -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking || try #bzchat || paste errors http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 14:53.39 | *** part/#bzflag ToughShooter (n=ts@p54B01EA3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:53.44 | I_Died_Once | I'm runing configure on a source i just downloaded |
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| 14:54.08 | menotume | maybe learner or brlcad know why slang lib is needed now ? |
| 14:54.21 | I_Died_Once | or is it lslang |
| 14:54.24 | orchid | that pastebin will archive all the old pastes |
| 14:55.06 | menotume | ahhh, where does it archive ? |
| 14:55.47 | orchid | theres a link "archives" :-) |
| 14:55.57 | orchid | but no one has used it yet |
| 14:56.04 | orchid | so's there is none |
| 14:57.36 | menotume | ahh, need 10 |
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| 15:04.34 | Birdie | hello sporthick, the same for orchid |
| 15:04.42 | Birdie | sportchick * |
| 15:04.48 | orchid | hi |
| 15:04.50 | Birdie | grr its not the first time i make this mistake |
| 15:05.04 | ToughShooter | ~karma sprotchick |
| 15:05.04 | ibot | sprotchick has karma of 1 |
| 15:05.10 | Birdie | lol |
| 15:05.18 | Birdie | who gave her that |
| 15:05.22 | ToughShooter | Dunno |
| 15:05.37 | menotume | ~karma sporty |
| 15:05.37 | ibot | sporty has neutral karma |
| 15:05.40 | ToughShooter | ~ld |
| 15:05.42 | ibot | rumour has it, ld is cannot find _start problems ? apt-get --reinstall install libc6-dev |
| 15:06.30 | I_Died_Once | Hi Sporty Spice |
| 15:07.22 | orchid | "ibot no, ld is ..." |
| 15:07.36 | DTRemenak | or "ibot, ld is also ... " |
| 15:08.22 | orchid | ahh also! |
| 15:08.48 | ToughShooter | ibot, ld is also a strange file link editor beast |
| 15:08.49 | ibot | okay, ToughShooter |
| 15:08.50 | Birdie | you knew that, you just thought that is involved in your "..." and you thought toughshooter knew that:) |
| 15:09.20 | menotume | ya, autogen isn't working for me .. complaining about missing plugin directories |
| 15:10.14 | SportChick | hi birdie |
| 15:10.28 | SportChick | hi died |
| 15:10.28 | ToughShooter | Hi Sporty |
| 15:10.33 | SportChick | hi toughshooter |
| 15:11.39 | SportChick | hi menotume |
| 15:11.50 | SportChick | hi orchid |
| 15:12.03 | SportChick | you all typoed it - it's |
| 15:12.10 | SportChick | ~karma SportChick |
| 15:12.10 | ibot | sportchick has karma of 102 |
| 15:12.25 | orchid | :) |
| 15:12.48 | ToughShooter | http://pastebin.com/346924 <-Is that a good thing or a bad thing? :/ |
| 15:13.13 | ToughShooter | ld hates me :( |
| 15:19.34 | menotume | hi all :) |
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| 15:41.22 | Aribeth | ~karma Aribeth |
| 15:41.22 | ibot | aribeth has karma of 23 |
| 15:41.31 | Aribeth | :) |
| 15:42.15 | Birdie | almoust your age:D |
| 15:42.22 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 15:42.33 | Aribeth | it has a ways to go :P |
| 15:42.56 | Birdie | ~karma birdie |
| 15:42.56 | ibot | birdie has karma of 22 |
| 15:42.57 | Aribeth | before it reaches my age that is |
| 15:43.11 | Birdie | my karma is highter than my age:) |
| 15:43.14 | Birdie | i need to get older.. |
| 15:43.19 | Aribeth | lol |
| 15:43.27 | Aribeth | i need to get younger |
| 15:43.34 | Birdie | well i think in my case its easyer |
| 15:43.42 | Aribeth | yes |
| 15:44.01 | Aribeth | ~Birdie++ |
| 15:44.21 | Birdie | you make it harder for me:) |
| 15:44.24 | Birdie | i'll help you.. |
| 15:44.30 | Birdie | ~Aribeth++ |
| 15:44.43 | Birdie | one year desirved in only 2seconds |
| 15:44.49 | Aribeth | take your time. dont rush to get older :) |
| 15:44.58 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 15:45.52 | Birdie | well if i'm 25 i want to stop with getting older |
| 15:46.01 | Aribeth | good |
| 15:46.22 | Aribeth | im 51, and i want to push back the years :) |
| 15:47.07 | Birdie | deviding by 2:) |
| 15:47.22 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 15:47.42 | Aribeth | i always say im 30 for the xxx time |
| 15:48.21 | Aribeth | i dont look like im 50 at all :) |
| 15:48.30 | Birdie | to be honoust, i dont want to be 50:) |
| 15:48.35 | Birdie | well i cant know that:) |
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| 16:31.49 | a_monkey | will some Windozer convert this to a bzflag font for me? http://www.refrozen.com/uploaded-files/200508/ProFont2.ttf |
| 16:32.03 | a_monkey | pretty please? |
| 16:34.08 | JeffM2501 | you have rights to convert it? |
| 16:34.26 | JeffM2501 | and didn't somone allready do profont? |
| 16:36.14 | blast007 | yup, there is a ProFont in the data/fonts/ directory |
| 16:36.51 | JeffM2501 | it's posted on bzbb |
| 16:37.23 | JeffM2501 | wonder if texttool runs in wine |
| 16:37.41 | DTRemenak | not very well |
| 16:38.10 | DTRemenak | most of it works, but horizontal spacing doesn't |
| 16:38.20 | DTRemenak | and that's, ya know, kinda important |
| 16:39.03 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 16:39.24 | JeffM2501 | the thing should really be converted to a command line thing using devIL and freetype2 |
| 16:39.39 | DTRemenak | yes, it should. any volunteers? |
| 16:40.19 | orchid | *tumbleweed* |
| 16:40.28 | JeffM2501 | dead cow skull |
| 16:40.55 | DTRemenak | cloudless skies |
| 16:41.21 | JeffM2501 | at some point I'd like to look at the font lib tupone was looking at, he said it was slow, but there may be ways to have it at least generate the font textures at runtime from TTFs on startup and still be as fast as we are now |
| 16:41.39 | JeffM2501 | that would be best I would think |
| 16:41.46 | JeffM2501 | then we could gen them at the correct size |
| 16:42.00 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you want it done easy? or done right? |
| 16:42.02 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 16:42.16 | DTRemenak | libraries aren't always the right way :) |
| 16:42.25 | JeffM2501 | but sometimes they are |
| 16:42.27 | DTRemenak | and it's certainly harder to do it yourself than to let the libs do it |
| 16:42.58 | JeffM2501 | that's why I wanted to look at it, see how hard it is to get the lib, and how it worked, and what it buys us |
| 16:43.19 | DTRemenak | I'm not saying don't look into it, I'm just muttering about dependencies :) |
| 16:43.25 | JeffM2501 | at some point a bitmap of the font just isn't going to cut it anymore, and we are going to have to at least use freetype or soething like it. |
| 16:43.47 | JeffM2501 | or a swap to another engine will happen |
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| 16:44.01 | DTRemenak | that would be good |
| 16:44.08 | ibunny | tada!! |
| 16:44.13 | JeffM2501 | still means another dependency |
| 16:44.24 | Aribeth | hi ibunny |
| 16:44.28 | DTRemenak | that one's worth it at least :) |
| 16:44.30 | ibunny | hi aripie |
| 16:45.30 | JeffM2501 | did you apear in a puff of smoke |
| 16:46.00 | ibunny | i wanna say i appear because you though of me ;) |
| 16:46.38 | DTRemenak | dude, you know what ibot needs is a star trek episode cross reference, so I could say "tng timescape" and it would tell me what season and episode I need. |
| 16:47.07 | JeffM2501 | wow that's dorky |
| 16:47.19 | DTRemenak | just occured to me :) |
| 16:47.36 | Aribeth | that would be cool |
| 16:47.36 | ibunny | whos dorky.. me or ... dtr... |
| 16:47.38 | ibunny | :( |
| 16:47.48 | JeffM2501 | that's allmost as dorky as the guy's who analized the death star weapon frame by frame and debated it |
| 16:47.59 | ruskie | lol |
| 16:48.20 | ruskie | DTRemenak, not a true st fan :) |
| 16:48.39 | Aribeth | not a st fan? ewww |
| 16:48.44 | DTRemenak | ruskie, that's too much information to memorize :) I remember the important ones |
| 16:48.55 | ruskie | :) |
| 16:49.16 | Aribeth | the city on the edge of forever is my fav |
| 16:49.59 | DTRemenak | darmok, all good things, reunification, time's arrow, farpoint station, consipracy I remember. |
| 16:50.07 | DTRemenak | the others I have to look up |
| 16:50.26 | Aribeth | all good ones |
| 16:50.40 | DTRemenak | heh, I rarely meet anyone who likes conspiracy :) |
| 16:51.02 | Aribeth | which one is that? |
| 16:51.05 | DTRemenak | so the effects were cheesy and the acting sucked, I still liked the episode :) |
| 16:51.32 | DTRemenak | aliens taking over starfleet command |
| 16:51.44 | Aribeth | ahh, i likes that one |
| 16:51.54 | Aribeth | first year right? |
| 16:51.56 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 16:52.06 | JeffM2501 | they lived in people's heads |
| 16:52.06 | Aribeth | i remember it now |
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| 16:52.10 | Aribeth | yep |
| 16:52.18 | DTRemenak | 1x25 |
| 16:52.29 | Aribeth | heh |
| 16:52.52 | ruskie | sheesh |
| 16:53.22 | Aribeth | the problem is they never followed up with a secual to that episode |
| 16:53.34 | Aribeth | sequal* |
| 16:53.40 | DTRemenak | yeah, apparently "everybody hated it" or something |
| 16:54.03 | JeffM2501 | well everyone knows that the ST franchise was mismanaged |
| 16:54.12 | JeffM2501 | that is why Joss Weadon is my master now. |
| 16:54.28 | Aribeth | some if the best episodes in tos were ones with little special effects |
| 16:54.37 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, you don't see me spouting off enterprise episodes now do you? :) |
| 16:54.44 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, heh |
| 16:54.49 | JeffM2501 | have you 2 seen firefly? |
| 16:54.57 | Aribeth | yep |
| 16:55.27 | DTRemenak | yeah, I saw a bunch of them. my roommate and one of my friends love them |
| 16:55.30 | DTRemenak | I don't care for them |
| 16:55.41 | ruskie | well st got mismanaged when ppl started fillming a soap in space... |
| 16:55.43 | Aribeth | i like it |
| 16:55.43 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, baslphemy |
| 16:56.41 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, watch them in order, from the DVD, makes a lot more sense |
| 16:56.45 | Aribeth | i'll prolly see ti later that day |
| 16:56.59 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, I watched several chunks of them in order |
| 16:57.06 | DTRemenak | including the first ~6 from season 1 |
| 16:57.19 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, there is only 1 season |
| 16:57.37 | Aribeth | yep. canceled before it had a chance |
| 16:58.46 | Aribeth | same thing happened to battlestar galactica |
| 16:58.49 | JeffM2501 | 14 episodes total |
| 16:59.02 | DTRemenak | ah, my bad, had firefly and farscape flipped. stupid f names. |
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| 16:59.32 | Aribeth | farscape was kinda weird |
| 16:59.37 | DTRemenak | firefly was pretty good |
| 16:59.56 | JeffM2501 | farscape is hard to watch a lof of in a row |
| 17:00.26 | DTRemenak | farscape is hard to watch a lot of period. |
| 17:00.35 | DTRemenak | tell that to my roommate :S |
| 17:00.39 | JeffM2501 | it got better later |
| 17:00.45 | JeffM2501 | the mini series was well done |
| 17:00.49 | JeffM2501 | if you had followed it |
| 17:00.55 | JeffM2501 | but some of them were just way out there |
| 17:01.39 | Aribeth | i kinda like the new battlestar galactica |
| 17:01.46 | JeffM2501 | it is rather good |
| 17:01.49 | DTRemenak | aye, those are good |
| 17:01.52 | JeffM2501 | I have it on DVD and have been going thru it |
| 17:02.19 | Aribeth | im an ardent fan of the original series |
| 17:02.40 | Aribeth | i have it on dvd |
| 17:02.51 | JeffM2501 | I tried to watch the origonal movie, that's some prety bad acting |
| 17:02.58 | Aribeth | without the battlestar galactica 1080 |
| 17:03.02 | Aribeth | 1980* |
| 17:03.05 | JeffM2501 | starbuck is much better as a wicked hot chick :) |
| 17:03.15 | JeffM2501 | as is boomer |
| 17:03.43 | Aribeth | well, the original series was pushed into production 1 year before it was ready |
| 17:03.47 | JeffM2501 | Kattie Sackoff is playing the part very well tho, very much the bad egg with a heart of gold. |
| 17:04.02 | Aribeth | so they had to write episodes on the fly |
| 17:04.13 | Aribeth | yes |
| 17:04.52 | Aribeth | i think Baltar was better as a darker caracter |
| 17:05.21 | Aribeth | he's kinda a wimp in the new series imho |
| 17:06.02 | JeffM2501 | I love that he's basicly insane |
| 17:06.15 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 17:06.31 | JeffM2501 | the new bsg is the best dipiction of "those people are F**Ked" I've seen on TV |
| 17:06.41 | JeffM2501 | cus man are they screwed |
| 17:06.42 | Aribeth | true |
| 17:06.59 | DTRemenak | yes indeed |
| 17:07.02 | Aribeth | the cylon's are more evil too |
| 17:07.08 | JeffM2501 | as they should be |
| 17:07.15 | Aribeth | and hard to tell from humans |
| 17:07.23 | JeffM2501 | why would tin cans that move all slow want to kill humans? |
| 17:07.37 | JeffM2501 | in the origonal they were just an alien race |
| 17:07.39 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 17:07.42 | JeffM2501 | I like that here people made them |
| 17:07.44 | JeffM2501 | and they turned |
| 17:07.51 | JeffM2501 | makes it much more "ouch" |
| 17:07.55 | Aribeth | yes |
| 17:08.32 | Aribeth | it was hard for me to accept a female starbuck and boomer |
| 17:09.04 | DTRemenak | imho starbuck is done so well it's hard not to accept her :) |
| 17:09.08 | JeffM2501 | well that is because you are a lady, we had no problem with it :) |
| 17:09.23 | JeffM2501 | boomer is a much stronger character now |
| 17:09.24 | Aribeth | i have no problem with it now |
| 17:09.37 | Aribeth | she has done a fantastic job |
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| 17:11.46 | Tupone | ibunny: :* |
| 17:11.56 | ibunny | who are you??? |
| 17:12.01 | ibunny | are you following me?!? |
| 17:12.02 | ibunny | :P |
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| 17:12.06 | Tupone | lol |
| 17:12.20 | ibunny | I swear sometimes weird ppl joinmy channel.. and... |
| 17:12.22 | ibunny | >_< |
| 17:12.28 | ibunny | ok im definetly paranoid... |
| 17:12.42 | Tupone | can I join yours? |
| 17:13.05 | Aribeth | i like the caracter that richard hatch plays in the new bsg |
| 17:13.46 | ibunny | tupito yes. |
| 17:20.24 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: where is profont posted on bzbb? |
| 17:20.30 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: i don't see anywhere |
| 17:20.44 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: the profont i linked to is modded |
| 17:29.18 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, really because it's a freaking anouncment at the top of the forum its in :) |
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| 17:29.27 | ToughShooter | New Battlestar Galactica? :o Never heard of it. |
| 17:29.36 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2677 |
| 17:29.45 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, you need to get out more |
| 17:29.51 | JeffM2501 | or maybe stay in more |
| 17:30.43 | blast007 | a_monkey: all I had to do was a search for 'profont' :) |
| 17:31.13 | Gnurdux | hola |
| 17:31.21 | blast007 | also, it seems the one there was manually made |
| 17:31.41 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, i finally got it working |
| 17:31.50 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: New series have been never broadcasted in Germany, in fact at saturday midday there are still the old ones playing. |
| 17:33.23 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, really, it's like all over the UK, I'd thought it would have had at least some spread |
| 17:33.34 | JeffM2501 | maybe it's just english lang now |
| 17:34.09 | JeffM2501 | then I'd be all gookie |
| 17:34.17 | JeffM2501 | and like |
| 17:34.18 | JeffM2501 | you know |
| 17:34.19 | JeffM2501 | dead |
| 17:34.48 | ibunny | gookie? |
| 17:35.02 | JeffM2501 | having the properties of gook |
| 17:35.11 | ibunny | gook? |
| 17:35.11 | ibunny | ok.. |
| 17:35.12 | ibunny | hmrrr*** |
| 17:35.26 | ibunny | is that CLEARER!?! |
| 17:35.29 | ibunny | :P |
| 17:35.47 | a_monkey | i don't want the profont with the transparent gray border |
| 17:35.52 | JeffM2501 | oh I see |
| 17:35.56 | JeffM2501 | yes very clear |
| 17:35.57 | a_monkey | not the one that comes with an installation of bz |
| 17:36.08 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, do you have rights to convert that one? |
| 17:36.10 | *** join/#bzflag BIYA_ (n=chatzill@dialup-4.249.228.234.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net) |
| 17:36.17 | *** part/#bzflag BIYA_ (n=chatzill@dialup-4.249.228.234.Dial1.Washington2.Level3.net) |
| 17:36.23 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: well it's only for personal use, so i don't see why not |
| 17:36.43 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: i'm not gonna be giving the conversion to other people or anything |
| 17:36.59 | ibunny | O_o |
| 17:37.14 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, that dosn't mater |
| 17:37.17 | a_monkey | oh |
| 17:37.22 | JeffM2501 | if you are going to seal it a "little bit" |
| 17:37.39 | a_monkey | well that font i linked to is a conversion of the original profont |
| 17:37.48 | a_monkey | it is a conversion itself |
| 17:37.51 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:38.02 | JeffM2501 | do you have rights to use it |
| 17:38.07 | a_monkey | how do you really tell that anyways? |
| 17:38.16 | JeffM2501 | you ask the author |
| 17:38.41 | a_monkey | well i got it off of here: http://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont/ |
| 17:38.50 | a_monkey | which is even linked in the readme in data/fonts |
| 17:39.21 | JeffM2501 | I don't know |
| 17:39.23 | JeffM2501 | you tell me |
| 17:39.26 | JeffM2501 | you do the research |
| 17:39.33 | JeffM2501 | I am not your brain |
| 17:40.27 | a_monkey | well, if i were my brain, i would say, "if they have it up for the public to download for free, why wouldn't i have the right to use it, even just personally??" |
| 17:40.44 | JeffM2501 | then I would say you know nothing about copyright law |
| 17:40.48 | JeffM2501 | and that you are a lazy child |
| 17:41.09 | JeffM2501 | your computer is on the net, I can use anything on it I want right? |
| 17:42.45 | a_monkey | well honestly i don't know anything about copyright |
| 17:43.31 | JeffM2501 | ignorance dosn't get you anything |
| 17:43.53 | a_monkey | i can't argue with that. |
| 17:44.19 | a_monkey | well i'll email the author then |
| 17:44.26 | JeffM2501 | all you had to do is read the doc that cam with the bloody thing |
| 17:44.59 | JeffM2501 | "You may redistribute unmodified copies of ÒProFont DistriubtionÓ as long as it is accompanied by an unmodified copy of ÒAbout ProFont Distribution 2.2Ó (this file)" |
| 17:45.17 | JeffM2501 | "If you have questions about redistribution, please contact Stephen C. Gilardi at squeegee@usa.net." |
| 17:45.29 | *** part/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@69.251.224.96) |
| 17:45.31 | JeffM2501 | you want the files modified |
| 17:45.34 | JeffM2501 | ask him |
| 17:45.55 | a_monkey | ok |
| 17:46.38 | a_monkey | well now all i gotta do is wait for an email back |
| 17:47.22 | ToughShooter | Maybe it could be possible to use systems font directly but then there's the question who codes it... |
| 17:47.25 | *** join/#bzflag _Captain_Kirk_ (i=supertan@o1-dialup-69-19-145-235.rev.o1.com) |
| 17:47.33 | JeffM2501 | I am not entrely sure we have rights to distribte profont in the release |
| 17:47.36 | JeffM2501 | not under the GPL |
| 17:47.38 | _Captain_Kirk_ | hi |
| 17:48.16 | _Captain_Kirk_ | say, what do you reccoment for a good, cheep internet host (besides omnis) because i'm sick of orgfree and siteburg |
| 17:48.25 | JeffM2501 | internet host? |
| 17:48.29 | _Captain_Kirk_ | web host |
| 17:48.29 | JeffM2501 | usualy your phone company |
| 17:48.33 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 17:48.39 | JeffM2501 | there are 100's of them |
| 17:48.44 | JeffM2501 | perhaps 1000's |
| 17:48.48 | JeffM2501 | search around |
| 17:48.52 | _Captain_Kirk_ | I have my site up, but this host is so crappy that I have to refresh every 3 mins.... |
| 17:49.07 | _Captain_Kirk_ | google is where I found omnis, it looks good... |
| 17:49.10 | JeffM2501 | goooooooggggglllleeee |
| 17:49.13 | ToughShooter | The bad thing about fonts is that they don't look like in native applications. ProFont looks much better in Apps that use nativ font rendering for me |
| 17:49.32 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, this is true, our font rendering system is a hack ;) |
| 17:49.40 | _Captain_Kirk_ | google rulz... |
| 17:49.43 | JeffM2501 | that is why we were talking about looking at other ways |
| 17:50.08 | _Captain_Kirk_ | now I just have to see if dad will pay for it.... |
| 17:50.19 | JeffM2501 | thanks for sharing _Captain_Kirk_ |
| 17:51.11 | _Captain_Kirk_ | oh thats why nothing turned up...I wasnt watching when I typed, so it was "vjrsp ern jpdy" instead of "cheap web host" |
| 17:51.23 | JeffM2501 | again, thanks for sharing |
| 17:51.34 | JeffM2501 | my life is now complete knowing that you can't type |
| 17:51.40 | _Captain_Kirk_ | har har |
| 17:52.00 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Would it be complete if I told you I almost dropped my laptop out the window today? |
| 17:52.12 | JeffM2501 | no that would make me tell you to go to #bzchat |
| 17:52.50 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Would it be complete if I told you I got slaughtered on BZflag today? |
| 17:53.23 | JeffM2501 | that would just be common knowledge |
| 17:54.01 | JeffM2501 | but again #bzchat ;) |
| 17:54.02 | _Captain_Kirk_ | I thought rc cola was supposed to make me channel op there... |
| 17:54.07 | JeffM2501 | she is no longer owner of the channel |
| 17:54.11 | JeffM2501 | and did not know much about you |
| 17:54.33 | JeffM2501 | why did you wish to be op? |
| 17:54.38 | _Captain_Kirk_ | I pmed her twice, and she said to give her my nick to make channel op and stuff |
| 17:54.49 | JeffM2501 | do you feel the current ops are not doing there jobs? |
| 17:54.51 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Because I want to help bzflag, its going to be even better when I learn C++ |
| 17:55.04 | a_monkey | my little sister wants to know that europeans tell time without a.m. and p.m. - that 22:00 is a time there. please acknowledge that this is correct so she can be proved wrong. :D |
| 17:55.08 | JeffM2501 | she had not used the channel in over a year |
| 17:55.28 | _Captain_Kirk_ | um...okay, thats nice a_monkey |
| 17:55.42 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, 24 hour clock is comon in many places |
| 17:55.44 | purple_cow | a_monkey: they use both, but 24-hour is more prevalent |
| 17:56.00 | _Captain_Kirk_ | yup |
| 17:56.00 | a_monkey | aha! |
| 17:56.02 | a_monkey | proof |
| 17:56.10 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Now if they would just start using the unix timestamp... |
| 17:56.12 | _Captain_Kirk_ | jk |
| 17:56.13 | JeffM2501 | _Captain_Kirk_, why would you want to be an op if you can't stay in the channel for more then 36 seconds? |
| 17:56.23 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Because nothing was going on there, so I left |
| 17:56.30 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 17:56.32 | _Captain_Kirk_ | what? |
| 17:56.44 | JeffM2501 | so if we bet quiet for 1/2 a min, you'll leav a channel? |
| 17:56.51 | JeffM2501 | I mean give it a chance man |
| 17:56.54 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Ha ha you are so funny. Not |
| 17:57.00 | JeffM2501 | thse are reasons that you are not an op |
| 17:57.09 | JeffM2501 | and the fact that you are WAY to young and imature |
| 17:57.19 | JeffM2501 | wanting to help is great, but start small ok :) |
| 17:57.20 | _Captain_Kirk_ | [insert nasty swearword here] the phpbb attach mod failed... :( |
| 17:57.31 | _Captain_Kirk_ | it says to look for something in pvrmesage.php or whatever |
| 17:57.37 | _Captain_Kirk_ | that is followed by a "}" |
| 17:57.38 | JeffM2501 | and please learn to keep your off topic babble to yourslef |
| 17:57.43 | _Captain_Kirk_ | but there is no "}"! |
| 17:57.53 | JeffM2501 | I would remcoend #php or #phpbb |
| 17:58.15 | _Captain_Kirk_ | MyBB is nicer, it has built in attachments. |
| 17:58.58 | purple_cow | yeah JeffM2501, why haven't you switched BBs yet? bzbb has been stable for way too long |
| 17:58.59 | a_monkey | how do i change my hackings into the source into a .patch ? |
| 17:59.16 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, because I'm not 12 |
| 17:59.22 | purple_cow | oh, right |
| 17:59.29 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, use the diff command |
| 17:59.35 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: ok |
| 17:59.36 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Neither am i, for your info. i'm 13 |
| 17:59.43 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 17:59.47 | JeffM2501 | but you act 10 |
| 17:59.51 | _Captain_Kirk_ | my birthday is chrismas eve |
| 17:59.56 | JeffM2501 | I'm happy for you |
| 18:01.07 | _Captain_Kirk_ | I should go die some more on bzflag...oh yeah, thats right, my hard drive went out. |
| 18:01.10 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Dang it! |
| 18:01.39 | _Captain_Kirk_ | hey jeff, do you ever play BZflag? |
| 18:02.07 | JeffM2501 | ok, I'll just put this straight there isn't anything here you can say that will impress us. there isn't anything that will make us go "AWW" and accept you into our hearts |
| 18:02.15 | _Captain_Kirk_ | shadup |
| 18:02.16 | JeffM2501 | so please stop with the idle babble |
| 18:02.17 | _Captain_Kirk_ | :) |
| 18:02.26 | JeffM2501 | no I don't play the game much at all, I find it silly and booring. |
| 18:02.38 | _Captain_Kirk_ | *gasp*! He insulted bzflag! |
| 18:02.40 | JeffM2501 | I only play with the people here for there company to test stuff |
| 18:02.50 | JeffM2501 | _Captain_Kirk_, it's a game, not a way of life, not a religon. It is code |
| 18:02.58 | JeffM2501 | some crapy code, but we all know that |
| 18:03.04 | _Captain_Kirk_ | I play it when I am particularly bored and I need a distraction from real life |
| 18:03.11 | _Captain_Kirk_ | which is almost every day. |
| 18:03.16 | JeffM2501 | you play it because it is where people will pay attention to you. |
| 18:03.21 | JeffM2501 | and you cant afford other games |
| 18:03.26 | JeffM2501 | many people have fun in it |
| 18:03.32 | JeffM2501 | I am glad for them |
| 18:03.37 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Hey, I bought a 200 dollar xbox...with my own money |
| 18:03.40 | JeffM2501 | I am glad I can work on soemthing that makes people happy |
| 18:03.42 | _Captain_Kirk_ | and I do have fun in bzflag |
| 18:04.03 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Now when I learn C++ i can have the same feeling. Well, I still do when I make bzmaps for others |
| 18:04.15 | JeffM2501 | again _Captain_Kirk_ we are all adults, saving up 200$ is no grand task |
| 18:04.32 | JeffM2501 | honestly I've seen you say you are going to learn C++ for like 6 months now, just go learn it |
| 18:04.38 | JeffM2501 | and DO something |
| 18:04.46 | JeffM2501 | it's not that hard |
| 18:04.47 | _Captain_Kirk_ | I know I just wanted to learn php first |
| 18:05.03 | JeffM2501 | and that also has been your excuse for 6 months |
| 18:05.17 | _Captain_Kirk_ | yeah. The stupid book just got here |
| 18:05.22 | JeffM2501 | sure it did |
| 18:05.37 | purple_cow | who needs books? |
| 18:05.46 | _Captain_Kirk_ | i'm a bookaholic |
| 18:05.50 | purple_cow | just about every language has fantastic documentation online |
| 18:05.58 | JeffM2501 | that they do |
| 18:06.14 | _Captain_Kirk_ | really? Why I never would have guessed? I mean, I only googled for php tutorials about 599 times! |
| 18:06.25 | JeffM2501 | but "the book isn't here" is a great excuse for somone who dosn't really want to learn, but wants to puff themsleves up with the big kids |
| 18:06.56 | _Captain_Kirk_ | and I need Dev-C++/ Hey, now would be a good time to download it! B right back |
| 18:07.28 | JeffM2501 | why don't you use the free MS beta |
| 18:07.56 | _Captain_Kirk_ | is it just me, or does Dev-C++ have all beta's on its download page? |
| 18:08.01 | JeffM2501 | _Captain_Kirk_, you just keep giving excuses, there are ways to get what you need. If you are going to keep just talking the talk, then please do us a favor and stop. |
| 18:08.05 | _Captain_Kirk_ | How long does the ms take to downloa? |
| 18:08.11 | JeffM2501 | GO SEE |
| 18:08.12 | _Captain_Kirk_ | A LOOOOOOOONG TIME WITH DIALUP |
| 18:08.26 | JeffM2501 | go find somone that has broadband |
| 18:08.28 | JeffM2501 | get it |
| 18:08.30 | JeffM2501 | like a library |
| 18:08.33 | _Captain_Kirk_ | ive downloaded it, I ran the ONLINE INSTALLER, and it takes longer than JAVA! |
| 18:08.34 | JeffM2501 | burn it to C |
| 18:08.36 | JeffM2501 | there are many ways |
| 18:08.37 | purple_cow | http://www.php.net/manual/en/getting-started.php |
| 18:08.42 | purple_cow | wow that was hard |
| 18:08.46 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (n=Tupone@pdpc/supporter/active/Tupone) |
| 18:08.48 | ibunny | noooo Tuponeeeeeeeeee |
| 18:08.49 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Oh yeah I have my little pen drive, that would help. |
| 18:08.51 | ibunny | oh well |
| 18:08.56 | JeffM2501 | _Captain_Kirk_, you just have to actualy DO something foryourslef. |
| 18:08.57 | _Captain_Kirk_ | And I have tghe entire php manual on my HD |
| 18:09.10 | JeffM2501 | please for the love of the gods, just try and stop the anoying babble. |
| 18:09.20 | _Captain_Kirk_ | Wow, 13.5 megs! Thats a big increase fomr the last time I saw it |
| 18:09.46 | JeffM2501 | well he can't read |
| 18:09.49 | JeffM2501 | so what's the point |
| 18:09.54 | ibunny | uh oh.. |
| 18:10.13 | _Captain_Kirk_ | wrong program |
| 18:10.23 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b %*!*@*supertan*.*] by JeffM2501 |
| 18:10.32 | JeffM2501 | well not real ban |
| 18:10.40 | JeffM2501 | just a q for a bit |
| 18:10.52 | ibunny | how? |
| 18:10.58 | JeffM2501 | +q |
| 18:11.01 | _Captain_Kirk_ | "q"? leme gues. "Mode q: SHUT THE F(** UP!" |
| 18:11.01 | JeffM2501 | dosn't remove them |
| 18:11.02 | ibunny | uhm ok |
| 18:11.05 | JeffM2501 | bahh |
| 18:11.15 | ibunny | well i knew that is not what you ment JeffM2501 |
| 18:11.24 | JeffM2501 | ohh I won't kick him |
| 18:11.26 | JeffM2501 | he's just a kid |
| 18:11.35 | ibunny | well thats the ponly way for ban to be activated |
| 18:11.36 | JeffM2501 | he does have to learn how to comunicate |
| 18:11.46 | JeffM2501 | I just typed his domain wrong |
| 18:11.53 | _Captain_Kirk_ | and to ignore better |
| 18:11.58 | _Captain_Kirk_ | :) |
| 18:12.08 | ibunny | he still can talk... but he wont know we are not seeing whathe types.. |
| 18:12.12 | JeffM2501 | _Captain_Kirk_, don't push it, please. |
| 18:12.36 | _Captain_Kirk_ | okay fine. Ill go google a C++ tutorial |
| 18:12.55 | JeffM2501 | finaly |
| 18:13.03 | ibunny | see he DOES understand. |
| 18:13.05 | a_monkey | let's say i've edited two files in src/bzflag |
| 18:13.15 | a_monkey | and i have the originals resting in my home directory |
| 18:13.18 | JeffM2501 | yeah it takes the threat of a ban to make him do a simple google search |
| 18:13.33 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, cvs diff should have an option to make a patch file |
| 18:13.36 | a_monkey | how can i make a .patch out of these |
| 18:13.39 | ibunny | most humans work this way.. |
| 18:13.41 | Grumbler | JeffM2501, you encouraging the youngens again |
| 18:13.44 | _Captain_Kirk_ | no I did one earler, but I got impatient because I was downloading 3 files in the background |
| 18:13.47 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: oh, cool! |
| 18:14.06 | JeffM2501 | _Captain_Kirk_, you need to learn to calm down and just let things happen in there own time. |
| 18:15.30 | _Captain_Kirk_ | does bzflag use ANSI-C++? |
| 18:15.43 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 18:15.52 | JeffM2501 | learn C first before you wory about bzflag |
| 18:15.55 | JeffM2501 | don't take shortcuts |
| 18:16.52 | jpa_ | (or just go the jpa_ way and put random & and * in front of parameters until it doesn't segfault) |
| 18:17.21 | JeffM2501 | jpa_, no wonder everyone programs better then you |
| 18:17.36 | jpa_ | :S |
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| 18:17.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+v Tupone] by ChanServ |
| 18:18.07 | jpa_ | i just don't like c++ :P |
| 18:18.15 | JeffM2501 | sure |
| 18:18.17 | _Captain_Kirk_ | It looks kinda like php |
| 18:18.18 | JeffM2501 | good excuse |
| 18:18.23 | JeffM2501 | php is like C |
| 18:18.31 | JeffM2501 | where do you think they got some of the syntax |
| 18:18.41 | JeffM2501 | there are also C and C++ chanels here |
| 18:18.42 | _Captain_Kirk_ | and not so much like QBasic |
| 18:18.44 | JeffM2501 | use them |
| 18:18.46 | JeffM2501 | use tutorials |
| 18:18.50 | JeffM2501 | use your brain |
| 18:19.05 | _Captain_Kirk_ | I have one? |
| 18:19.12 | JeffM2501 | why do I even try? |
| 18:19.27 | _Captain_Kirk_ | I was /joking/ |
| 18:19.39 | JeffM2501 | whatever |
| 18:19.53 | JeffM2501 | it's not worth it anymore |
| 18:20.14 | _Captain_Kirk_ | ahh well, I gota go see if my forum crashed the database or something...bye. |
| 18:20.32 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 18:24.59 | a_monkey | http://rafb.net/paste/results/5s1cik79.html |
| 18:25.04 | a_monkey | proper patch format? |
| 18:26.24 | JeffM2501 | apply it with patch to clean code and see |
| 18:26.28 | a_monkey | i notice that all the other patches have lines with "@@ #,# #,# @@" type lines |
| 18:26.30 | a_monkey | ok |
| 18:26.33 | a_monkey | good idea. lol |
| 18:27.13 | trepan | unified diffs are preferred |
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| 18:29.48 | a_monkey | oh boy, my first patch actually works |
| 18:29.52 | a_monkey | i wasn't expecting that |
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| 19:50.07 | trepan | learner: buildDate.o isn't rebuild everytime now, not that that's such a bad thing ;) |
| 19:52.40 | bryjen | the build date itself is only updated when configure runs anyway |
| 19:56.25 | trepan | bryjen: which build date is that exactly? |
| 19:57.40 | bryjen | BZ_BUILD_DATE is defined in the Makefiles |
| 19:59.15 | trepan | ah, the alternate is for windows? |
| 20:00.54 | bryjen | i'd guess so... anywhere else that doesn't use make? |
| 20:09.16 | menotume | Is anyone else getting 'missing directories' when autogening ? |
| 20:10.16 | menotume | ~pastebin |
| 20:10.17 | ibot | hmm... pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 20:12.13 | menotume | http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/21263 |
| 20:12.35 | menotume | some plugin 'errors' in there, JeffM2501 |
| 20:13.07 | trepan | menotume: you try 'cvs up -dP' ? |
| 20:13.27 | menotume | ohhhhhhh |
| 20:13.37 | menotume | crap - i always forget that :) |
| 20:14.34 | menotume | thx, much betterer |
| 20:16.31 | JeffM2501 | yeah your missing dirs |
| 20:16.47 | JeffM2501 | tho I wonder if I should keep fixedspawn |
| 20:18.32 | trepan | what does it do that zones don't? |
| 20:19.17 | JeffM2501 | works on all tanks, not just team ones |
| 20:19.21 | JeffM2501 | and dosn't add a random to it |
| 20:19.24 | JeffM2501 | it's a fixed point |
| 20:19.32 | JeffM2501 | like I say, don't know why I shoudl keep it |
| 20:19.36 | trepan | very small zones are effectively a point |
| 20:19.37 | JeffM2501 | made it to go with the quake maps |
| 20:19.38 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:19.54 | JeffM2501 | tho I was told zones only did team tanks, not rogues |
| 20:20.00 | trepan | thought they worked all the teams too... |
| 20:20.10 | JeffM2501 | they may |
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| 20:20.18 | JeffM2501 | mostly it was a test of custom map objects |
| 20:20.19 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 20:20.30 | JeffM2501 | and it got commited when I did some others |
| 20:20.39 | menotume | time to hit my .cvsrc file |
| 20:20.41 | trepan | ah, so the correct answer was probably: nothing ;) |
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| 20:20.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah efectivly nothing |
| 20:21.03 | JeffM2501 | tho they are a little smaller in the map then zones |
| 20:21.19 | JeffM2501 | but nothing really usefull |
| 20:21.40 | trepan | although one different may be that i think zones have some safety checking before picking that actual spawn point |
| 20:22.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah they do I belive |
| 20:22.20 | JeffM2501 | these are raw, slam bam thank you mam |
| 20:22.30 | JeffM2501 | so probalby even LESS usefull |
| 20:23.19 | trepan | coming from a Quake map, prolly get gonna get sealed on occasion ;) |
| 20:24.12 | JeffM2501 | I don't think using an existing quake map is viable for a bz map |
| 20:24.35 | JeffM2501 | mostly due to lack of ability to drive up a slope |
| 20:25.49 | JeffM2501 | tho making that converter got me to understand a lot more about bsps |
| 20:27.04 | JeffM2501 | it's not a bad format, has the collison planes seperate from the graphics, supports imbeded objects, and has some precomputed visability stuff |
| 20:29.36 | a_monkey | https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=3248&atid=303248 -- check out the latest patch. not so bad for the first hacking of a stupid little kid? |
| 20:29.54 | JeffM2501 | what does it do? |
| 20:30.16 | trepan | JeffM2501: before you get keyed up, still need to revert that last one ;) |
| 20:30.33 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: read the description |
| 20:30.39 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: and look at the uploaded screenie |
| 20:30.53 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah |
| 20:30.58 | JeffM2501 | that I do |
| 20:31.05 | JeffM2501 | I wasn't gonna add this one |
| 20:31.52 | JeffM2501 | what needs to be done to fix it proper? |
| 20:32.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah it's just wrong |
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| 20:39.39 | JeffM2501 | tupping globals |
| 20:41.49 | JeffM2501 | bahh %i |
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| 20:44.16 | zoly | g'day |
| 20:45.34 | zoly | could i interest a few reliable and trustworthy old-time bzflaggers here to become neutral referees for the adrenaline league? |
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| 20:46.51 | Grumbler | trustworthy.....none of those here :) |
| 20:48.51 | JeffM2501 | anyone got a server with downloadable textures running on port 80? or do I have to set up a local |
| 20:50.08 | trepan | most of louman's maps have them, pulling from learner's server on port 80 |
| 20:50.52 | JeffM2501 | and I can get them from bzbb, thanks :) |
| 20:51.29 | JeffM2501 | geting metropolis, I think that's got some |
| 20:52.04 | trepan | saving them from the client also works |
| 20:52.25 | JeffM2501 | if I could connect as a client to download it I'd not have to run a local server ;) |
| 20:52.35 | JeffM2501 | I'm portblocked 5000+ |
| 20:53.03 | trepan | gagged yourself? |
| 20:53.39 | JeffM2501 | entire company |
| 20:53.50 | JeffM2501 | we port blocked all ports, and open them up as we need them |
| 20:54.04 | JeffM2501 | Marketing VP has a bittorent adiction problem |
| 20:54.15 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:55.31 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Downloads.cxx: |
| 20:55.31 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: fix RPG's download patch to not suck, and actualy work. |
| 20:55.31 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: Must remember to not trust people who don't know basic C |
| 20:55.41 | JeffM2501 | there ya go trepan |
| 20:55.50 | JeffM2501 | nice 0 to N countdown, with real K counter |
| 20:55.57 | trepan | thx, i'll take a look later |
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| 20:56.15 | JeffM2501 | the only change I'd maybe make now would be to make it do a float for the K |
| 20:56.20 | JeffM2501 | but it'd be picking a nit |
| 20:58.57 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:06.29 | JeffM2501 | naw, float looks wierd, it moves band and forth too much :) |
| 21:09.58 | JeffM2501 | hmm I don't know the panel border shoudl be 100% trans, as it shows your team |
| 21:10.08 | JeffM2501 | maybe 75% of the main |
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| 21:19.25 | learner | trepan, heh -- so do you want me to do anything about it? :) |
| 21:21.28 | trepan | guess not, don't much like the inconsistency though (not your doing) |
| 21:21.50 | learner | inconsistency? |
| 21:22.15 | trepan | between win and nix's |
| 21:22.22 | learner | ah |
| 21:22.29 | trepan | one always has an update date, the other, not so much |
| 21:22.33 | learner | it's a one-char fix |
| 21:22.46 | learner | the FORCE dep is on .o -- it should have been on .lo |
| 21:22.53 | learner | musta missed it |
| 21:23.08 | trepan | either way, -DBZ_BUILD_DATE is still used? |
| 21:23.26 | learner | that's all unchanged |
| 21:23.47 | trepan | i'd get rid of that, and build the buildDate.o conditionally so that it only need be rebuilt once a day |
| 21:23.59 | learner | libtool is a relatively transparent change once it's all set up -- identical end behavior |
| 21:24.26 | menotume | JeffM2501: could you do : "!rss announce #bzleague matches gumatches", please? |
| 21:24.26 | learner | libtool just uses .lo instead of .o and .la instead of .a |
| 21:28.00 | JeffM2501 | TheLastSpartan, addcapability menotume #bzleague,op |
| 21:28.00 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: okay |
| 21:28.04 | JeffM2501 | menotume, no |
| 21:28.05 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 21:28.12 | learner | hehe |
| 21:28.22 | menotume | :), thx |
| 21:28.26 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Downloads.cxx: do not use global vars if they don't need to be exported |
| 21:28.36 | menotume | spartan seems to forget that htough :) |
| 21:28.38 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 21:28.44 | JeffM2501 | TheLastSpartan, flush |
| 21:28.44 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: okay |
| 21:28.47 | menotume | !rss announce #bzleague matches gumatches |
| 21:29.05 | learner | you have to identify first |
| 21:29.10 | JeffM2501 | that you do |
| 21:29.30 | menotume | ahh, yes |
| 21:29.33 | menotume | !rss announce #bzleague matches gumatches |
| 21:29.35 | TheLastSpartan | menotume: okay |
| 21:29.38 | menotume | :) |
| 21:30.17 | learner | trepan, the file tracker became unstupid when they became local vars? :) |
| 21:30.19 | trepan | JeffM2501: the C guys made a mistake by making global the default scope, a 'global' keyword would be much better |
| 21:30.40 | JeffM2501 | trepan, I'd have put it all in a class, what ever works for ya |
| 21:30.55 | JeffM2501 | I hate the static stuff, but if that's how it's being done, then so be it |
| 21:31.36 | JeffM2501 | at least it output SOMETHING right :) |
| 21:31.49 | trepan | true, much better |
| 21:32.08 | JeffM2501 | I kinda like it with the count |
| 21:32.09 | JeffM2501 | and the K |
| 21:32.19 | JeffM2501 | makes it go by slower, and it's understandable |
| 21:32.40 | JeffM2501 | a blur of numbers for bytes was a bit wierd |
| 21:34.31 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/RobotPlayer.cxx: if we are using doubles, why the heck should we use the float version of sin and cos? use the doubles, quell the warning. |
| 21:36.32 | trepan | 'cause the bot code just hasta have that extra precision |
| 21:36.40 | JeffM2501 | that's fine |
| 21:36.53 | JeffM2501 | it was using the float version of sin |
| 21:36.59 | JeffM2501 | and passing in doubles, |
| 21:37.05 | JeffM2501 | and saving it in a double |
| 21:37.09 | trepan | oh, i understand you little commit |
| 21:37.12 | JeffM2501 | hence loosing the extra precision |
| 21:37.23 | JeffM2501 | and causing a double to float warning |
| 21:37.44 | trepan | just saying the there's a disparity in precision usage |
| 21:37.55 | JeffM2501 | we use floats everywhere else |
| 21:38.15 | JeffM2501 | dono if it really does the bots any good tho |
| 21:38.18 | trepan | now you're gettin it ;) |
| 21:38.27 | JeffM2501 | so now they are precicly supid ;) |
| 21:43.59 | JeffM2501 | a_monkey, what's your real name? |
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| 21:46.44 | Gnurdux | im runnign Babylon !V by Louman and i have a problem |
| 21:46.55 | Gnurdux | flags are sp[awning on the death phydrv! |
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| 21:50.27 | Gnurdux | also they dont go away when you die |
| 21:50.41 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (7 files in 5 dirs): |
| 21:50.41 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: let the team colored outline go transpeant with the radar and panel, but only at a % of it's value so it shows more, % controlable via config option "hudGUIBorderOpacityFactor", default is 75% of the panels transperancy. |
| 21:50.41 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: From patch by a_monkey. |
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| 21:53.26 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/Q3BSP.cxx: don't write out custom spawn object, save it for zones later |
| 21:54.30 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/ (7 files in 2 dirs): remove fixedspawn because it's stupid |
| 21:56.42 | Gnurdux | WHy can flags spawn on death? |
| 21:56.52 | JeffM2501 | why shouldn't they? |
| 21:57.02 | JeffM2501 | is your server set to -fb? |
| 21:57.26 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/api_notes: notes on hooks that are still neeeded |
| 22:00.53 | CIA-2 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: add the monkeys real name |
| 22:01.41 | JeffM2501 | not me |
| 22:02.05 | JeffM2501 | can't have callsigns in the changelog |
| 22:02.06 | JeffM2501 | bad form |
| 22:02.21 | BenUrban | ah |
| 22:03.03 | *** part/#bzflag Gnurdux (n=gnurdux@69.251.224.96) |
| 22:03.09 | durt | how long should it normally take to compile bzflag? |
| 22:03.16 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 22:03.22 | durt | linux |
| 22:03.33 | durt | it taking a while |
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| 22:03.40 | JeffM2501 | my full build on a giger takes about 20-30 min |
| 22:03.46 | Gnurdux | how do i get the flags that land on death back? |
| 22:03.56 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, are you set to -fb? |
| 22:04.01 | JeffM2501 | in your config? |
| 22:04.08 | Gnurdux | yes but i have to |
| 22:04.12 | Gnurdux | the whole ground is death |
| 22:04.21 | JeffM2501 | the server dosn't know about death PhyDriv |
| 22:04.26 | trepan | yes it does |
| 22:04.26 | JeffM2501 | so there is no logic to not spawn them there |
| 22:04.32 | JeffM2501 | well not in that case :) |
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| 22:04.32 | trepan | yes there is ;) |
| 22:04.37 | JeffM2501 | ok listen to him |
| 22:04.41 | Gnurdux | so how do i recover the flags that land on death> |
| 22:04.49 | JeffM2501 | restart |
| 22:04.58 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.58 | JeffM2501 | or can't you do a flag reset? |
| 22:05.21 | Gnurdux | ah thnx |
| 22:05.30 | Gnurdux | is there any setting to disable spawning on death? |
| 22:05.36 | JeffM2501 | trepan says there is |
| 22:05.40 | Gnurdux | when team flags land on death the slide back to bases |
| 22:05.42 | trepan | Gnurdux: you probably have your config screwed up, LouMan has it working |
| 22:05.50 | Gnurdux | trepan, can you help me? |
| 22:05.59 | Gnurdux | this is his map, babylon 4 |
| 22:06.00 | JeffM2501 | buy him dinner first |
| 22:06.10 | JeffM2501 | or at least a cookie |
| 22:06.24 | trepan | Gnurdux: can i and will i are two separate issues |
| 22:06.59 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 22:07.08 | JeffM2501 | and he thinks you jest |
| 22:08.13 | Gnurdux | i know i have my config screwed up btw |
| 22:08.19 | DTRemenak | so fix it |
| 22:08.29 | trepan | JeffM2501: ya, there's a isDeathLanding() in DropGeometry.cxx |
| 22:08.40 | trepan | should protect flags and players |
| 22:08.46 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 22:08.56 | trepan | functional |
| 22:09.23 | JeffM2501 | shoudl be called gonnabescrewed() |
| 22:09.47 | trepan | JeffM2501's right though, without -fb, i think it'll eventually just dump it in regardless |
| 22:09.50 | Gnurdux | how do i disable flags spawning in death |
| 22:10.01 | Gnurdux | JeffM2501, gotBlowedUp is fun t hack' |
| 22:10.05 | trepan | you should see a message to the affect in the logs if you have some debugging turned on |
| 22:10.13 | trepan | s/the/that |
| 22:10.21 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, asking the same thing again isn't going to make the answer come out magicaly |
| 22:10.37 | Gnurdux | but is there an option or something? |
| 22:10.44 | trepan | Gnurdux: is it nice out where you are? |
| 22:10.45 | JeffM2501 | what does your heart tell you? |
| 22:11.30 | JeffM2501 | heh dropIt(); |
| 22:11.47 | trepan | beauty in brevity ;) |
| 22:11.56 | JeffM2501 | true nuf |
| 22:11.56 | bryjen | isImminentlyDangerous() in SpawnPosition.cxx |
| 22:12.11 | DTRemenak | beauty in verbosity |
| 22:12.18 | trepan | rarely |
| 22:12.19 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't need anymore |
| 22:12.23 | bryjen | somebody had the thesaurus out |
| 22:12.27 | JeffM2501 | it does what it does |
| 22:12.36 | Gnurdux | wihtout reocmpilign server |
| 22:12.50 | DTRemenak | no thesaurus on that one |
| 22:13.10 | DTRemenak | figured that was more elegant than "amIGonnaDieIfISpawnHere" which has way too many capital letters |
| 22:13.40 | JeffM2501 | I would have used a more colorfull metaphor |
| 22:13.59 | DTRemenak | isDangerous is not really complete enough, 'cause everywhere you spawn is dangerous |
| 22:14.14 | trepan | isDamnDangerous()? |
| 22:14.28 | DTRemenak | that would have worked until it was reverted :) |
| 22:14.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah cus can't say "damn" a nun may read the code |
| 22:15.17 | JeffM2501 | or watch tv |
| 22:15.20 | JeffM2501 | or go outside |
| 22:15.42 | trepan | recalls learner even get scolded once ;) |
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| 22:15.56 | JeffM2501 | every nun for themself! |
| 22:16.03 | DTRemenak | herself |
| 22:16.09 | DTRemenak | you don't see many guy nuns |
| 22:16.17 | JeffM2501 | hey, who am I to say who can and can not be a nun |
| 22:16.22 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't mean they don't exist |
| 22:16.35 | JeffM2501 | may as well keep it open ended |
| 22:16.44 | DTRemenak | themself is wrong grammar anyway |
| 22:16.45 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (n=bryjen@63.147.94.151) |
| 22:17.02 | DTRemenak | himself/herself/itself/themselves |
| 22:17.04 | Gnurdux | trepan, so you still havenyta answered, is there something i cna do in my config to prevent deathspawn? |
| 22:17.05 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, and when has good grammar been my ideom? |
| 22:17.19 | DTRemenak | well I dunno, but I know it's never been your idiom :) |
| 22:17.29 | JeffM2501 | so I'm true to form |
| 22:17.33 | JeffM2501 | keeping it real |
| 22:17.34 | JeffM2501 | yo |
| 22:17.35 | trepan | Gnurdux: no, there's nothing you can do |
| 22:17.42 | trepan | Gnurdux: the map is useless to you, give up |
| 22:18.04 | JeffM2501 | all those "polygons" and "vertex" thingys never made sense to me anyway |
| 22:18.22 | JeffM2501 | I mean if they are gone, why do we care about them? |
| 22:18.37 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, get a swiffer |
| 22:18.44 | Gnurdux | trepan, you said Louman had it working |
| 22:18.55 | DTRemenak | yeah like a sarcastic swiffer is any good? :) |
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| 22:19.00 | trepan | yes, there are things he can do that you can't |
| 22:19.04 | Aribeth | oh no, ooze just got on my keyboard |
| 22:19.15 | JeffM2501 | trepan, a true statement right to the core of it ;) |
| 22:19.27 | Gnurdux | hi Cruel |
| 22:19.31 | JeffM2501 | there is a secret to the ooze |
| 22:19.32 | Cruel | hi |
| 22:19.38 | Gnurdux | i told Cruel abotu IRC |
| 22:19.47 | JeffM2501 | amazing |
| 22:19.52 | JeffM2501 | did you warn him of the ooze? |
| 22:20.00 | JeffM2501 | and it's ability to cause sterility in men? |
| 22:20.02 | Gnurdux | ooze? |
| 22:20.06 | Aribeth | the ooze is evil |
| 22:20.06 | JeffM2501 | oooozzzzeee |
| 22:20.11 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 22:20.14 | JeffM2501 | but fun |
| 22:20.17 | Cruel | lol |
| 22:20.17 | Aribeth | it makes you do evil things |
| 22:20.28 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, are you saying it doesn't cause sterility in women? |
| 22:20.29 | Aribeth | it gets you hooked on bzflag |
| 22:20.30 | Cruel | yah, and i'm the pope |
| 22:20.38 | Cruel | lol |
| 22:20.39 | Aribeth | hi pope |
| 22:20.40 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I haven't done enough testing to be sure |
| 22:20.46 | DTRemenak | no you aren't, you're from canada |
| 22:20.46 | JeffM2501 | I need more test subjects |
| 22:20.56 | Gnurdux | when i /flag reset the flags do not spawn in death |
| 22:21.04 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, as they should |
| 22:21.15 | JeffM2501 | it's magic |
| 22:21.24 | Gnurdux | i guess its only when someone falls in death holding a flag that it stays in the death |
| 22:21.31 | Gnurdux | are they supposed to do that? |
| 22:21.41 | Cruel | how do u modify your personal settings? |
| 22:21.49 | DTRemenak | oh, oh, it's magic! |
| 22:21.52 | Cruel | like real name etc |
| 22:22.03 | JeffM2501 | Cruel, depeends on your IRC client |
| 22:22.15 | Cruel | x chat |
| 22:22.16 | Gnurdux | its in Server List Cruel |
| 22:22.16 | JeffM2501 | it'll be in the place where you set your nickname |
| 22:22.28 | Gnurdux | why dont you st your nick to CruelDog |
| 22:22.37 | Cruel | iok |
| 22:22.39 | Gnurdux | then you can register with NickServ |
| 22:23.05 | JeffM2501 | and the munchkins had there picinik |
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| 22:23.45 | Gnurdux | hi Crueldog |
| 22:23.51 | Crueldog | hi |
| 22:24.01 | Gnurdux | now do this: |
| 22:24.11 | Gnurdux | /msg NickServ register <password> |
| 22:24.14 | Pimpi | Gnurdux: if flags spawn where they shouldn't it might be a bug, no? |
| 22:24.18 | Pimpi | ~pw |
| 22:24.21 | ibot | hmm... patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 22:24.21 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, hint /msg |
| 22:24.21 | Gnurdux | Pimpi, i suppose |
| 22:24.27 | Gnurdux | i dont think they are spawning |
| 22:24.58 | Gnurdux | they are just staying there when someone dies |
| 22:25.10 | Crueldog | i'm registered |
| 22:25.13 | JeffM2501 | don't die there |
| 22:25.17 | Pimpi | shouldn't happen either |
| 22:25.20 | Gnurdux | but apparently it works for Louman |
| 22:25.22 | Crueldog | krrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk!!!!!! |
| 22:25.32 | JeffM2501 | umm yeah.... |
| 22:25.32 | Gnurdux | ok now go back to server list |
| 22:25.33 | Crueldog | it's strange |
| 22:25.34 | Gnurdux | go to settings |
| 22:25.40 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, hint #2 /msg |
| 22:25.43 | Gnurdux | and set NickServ password to your password |
| 22:25.46 | Gnurdux | then reconnecy |
| 22:25.47 | Gnurdux | oh sry |
| 22:25.50 | JeffM2501 | Gnurdux, and that will be your LAST hint |
| 22:25.53 | Crueldog | ? |
| 22:25.54 | Gnurdux | then a kick? |
| 22:25.59 | JeffM2501 | don't find out |
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| 22:28.07 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || try #bzchat if you just want to talk || paste errors http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 22:28.11 | Crueldog | ... |
| 22:28.17 | Crueldog | ng2g, cya |
| 22:28.29 | JeffM2501 | well that was productive |
| 22:30.24 | Gnurdux | lol |
| 22:31.17 | *** topic/#bzflag by JeffM2501 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || try #bzchat if you just want to talk || paste errors http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
| 22:31.22 | JeffM2501 | ws :) |
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| 22:35.54 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || try #bzchat if you just want to talk || paste errors http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/ |
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| 22:52.26 | JeffM2501 | I'll teach you all this in 8 easy steps |
| 22:52.26 | JeffM2501 | A course of a lifetime you'll never forget |
| 22:52.26 | JeffM2501 | I'll show you how to in 8 easy steps |
| 22:52.27 | JeffM2501 | I'll show you how leaderships looks when tought by the best |
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| 23:23.52 | spldart | Is it just me or has there been some major graphic engine improvements to bzclient since I've been indisposed? 8-0 |
| 23:23.55 | _Captain_Kirk_ | hello |
| 23:24.26 | JeffM2501 | when were you indisposed? |
| 23:24.52 | spldart | Yeah... My life has been in a garbage disposal for like 2 or more weeks |
| 23:24.59 | spldart | in-disoposal |
| 23:25.00 | spldart | hehehe\ |
| 23:25.19 | JeffM2501 | what do you see that is improved? |
| 23:26.03 | _Captain_Kirk_ | i'll just watch you guys chat a bit...if i watch enough I can start a comedy show. |
| 23:26.04 | spldart | For some reason the game play was way smoother than when last I played some 2 or 3 weeks ago... I hadn't even had a chance to play any of the last three release beta's or more |
| 23:26.25 | spldart | I installed b16 and grabbed the top server... |
| 23:26.35 | JeffM2501 | stuff gets cleaned up all the time |
| 23:26.40 | spldart | it seemed very smooth |
| 23:26.44 | JeffM2501 | trepan has been making some enhancements too |
| 23:27.01 | spldart | The graphic engine seems way improved |
| 23:27.07 | JeffM2501 | there is no engine |
| 23:27.31 | _Captain_Kirk_ | isn't it opengl? |
| 23:27.46 | JeffM2501 | open GL is a 3d API |
| 23:27.49 | JeffM2501 | not an engine |
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| 23:27.55 | spldart | Ok... however the client interpreets the map and movement and presents it to the video card |
| 23:28.01 | JeffM2501 | bzflag's code isn't organised into a clasical engine |
| 23:28.18 | JeffM2501 | the drawing code has had some optimisation yes |
| 23:28.23 | spldart | Well... I'm throwing the term 'engine' around but that is what I meant... |
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| 23:28.32 | spldart | And I'm impressed |
| 23:28.50 | JeffM2501 | trepan is the graphics master |
| 23:29.23 | spldart | I don't see him in the hizzouse but nods to him for some good work |
| 23:29.27 | _Captain_Kirk_ | After the remaining 37 megs of my download (D*** small linux, or DSL) finishes with my FTP Client I'll have to see to bzflag...dl time! |
| 23:29.38 | JeffM2501 | he is here |
| 23:30.17 | spldart | Congrats Trepan!!!.... Any other improvements I should know about? |
| 23:30.33 | JeffM2501 | he has some big ones coming, asuming he hasn't commited yet |
| 23:30.48 | JeffM2501 | 8milion triangles, 200fps on a GF3 |
| 23:30.51 | JeffM2501 | read the fourms |
| 23:31.07 | spldart | I'm browsing them as I type here too... back and forth |
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| 23:36.12 | spldart | it's quiet in here... |
| 23:37.06 | wegstar | spldart: :) |
| 23:37.31 | spldart | still reading forums.... is there a good reason to do a fresh build for my linux machine's bzfs? |
| 23:37.45 | spldart | It's been since I wanted to add the oncapp function since I last built |
| 23:37.50 | spldart | Hi wegstar |
| 23:38.05 | JeffM2501 | spldart, plugins |
| 23:38.31 | spldart | Oh... And anyone have a good idea for software to find and repair bad area's of maxtor diamondmax 80 gig dfrives? I have 4 of them |
| 23:38.34 | spldart | hehe |
| 23:38.40 | spldart | Oh yeah... plugins! |
| 23:39.05 | spldart | I may just have to try to build tonight :) |
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| 23:57.46 | _Captain_Kirk_ | bye all. |
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