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| 02:06.04 | wegstar | hiya |
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| 02:21.39 | a-delusion | anybody wanna help with mac plugins? |
| 02:23.44 | meacan | mac plugin? |
| 02:23.58 | meacan | try #apple :) |
| 02:24.09 | a-delusion | yes indeed |
| 02:24.26 | a-delusion | so i got this mornings cvs |
| 02:24.34 | a-delusion | ni got the plugins |
| 02:24.52 | a-delusion | i ve been trying an hour to get one to load |
| 02:24.57 | learner | a-delusion, they work, you just have to modify the build files or build by hand |
| 02:25.08 | a-delusion | nyes build... |
| 02:25.20 | learner | and no, I'm not going to walk you through it, sorry :) |
| 02:25.21 | Tupone | stop the n syndrome |
| 02:25.37 | a-delusion | ok, ill keep looking |
| 02:25.52 | learner | modify the makefiles |
| 02:25.55 | learner | it'll build |
| 02:26.21 | a-delusion | ok i think? i got it |
| 02:28.06 | a-delusion | well, i don't want any of the stock plugins, I only want racetoseven |
| 02:29.56 | a-delusion | i'll have to get the source from rpg, then do a mac build, I can't use the linux build, right, meacon? |
| 02:31.17 | a-delusion | even though they are both .so files |
| 02:32.01 | learner | right |
| 02:32.24 | a-delusion | k thanx |
| 02:33.27 | a-delusion | may as well do a build of the stock plugins while waiting for the source from rpg... |
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| 02:54.21 | a-delusion | meacan, its past rpg's bedtime, can you send me the source of racetoseven |
| 03:02.43 | meacan | a-delusion: its paste mine too :) |
| 03:02.59 | meacan | a-delusion: anyway, i only got what he also have made public on bzbb |
| 03:03.01 | meacan | erhm bb |
| 03:03.27 | a-delusion | im sorry, been sitting here fourteen hours, losing last brain cell |
| 03:03.45 | a-delusion | i know where it is |
| 03:11.55 | a-delusion | plus i started out pretty dumb |
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| 05:09.17 | koalabear | hiya, got a couple questions. 1 can't get the my tank out of the viewer, and everytime I play on a server, it re-downloads map and graphics. |
| 05:09.31 | BenUrban | neither of those were questions |
| 05:09.41 | BenUrban | just thought i'd point that out |
| 05:09.43 | BenUrban | before i sleep |
| 05:09.57 | koalabear | go to bed |
| 05:11.36 | a-delusion | And make wont complete on any of the plugins, macintosh |
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| 09:37.40 | CBG | bb admins: swear word @ http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5017 (sh!tty) |
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| 09:40.15 | Pimpi | CBG: do you really feel annoyed by this? |
| 09:40.42 | CBG | Pimpi: Not personally. But the board has a no swearing policy. :) |
| 09:40.43 | Birdie | hallo pimpi |
| 09:40.52 | CBG | I don't want the little kiddies seeing it. ;) |
| 09:41.00 | Pimpi | hi Birdie :) |
| 09:41.33 | Pimpi | shitty policy if it's tat strict... |
| 09:41.36 | Pimpi | that |
| 09:41.43 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 09:42.01 | ToughShooter | Moin moin pimpi |
| 09:42.01 | CBG | Pimpi: You guys don't have to sremove it, it's you'r forum, not mine. I am just reporting it... |
| 09:42.08 | WolverineJrDUB | hi cbg, hi pimpi, hi birdie |
| 09:42.11 | CBG | *remove |
| 09:42.11 | Pimpi | :) |
| 09:42.14 | Pimpi | ty CBG |
| 09:42.28 | CBG | Hi WolverineJrDUB, ToughShooter, all... :) |
| 09:42.31 | Birdie | hey ts, wolve |
| 09:42.42 | WolverineJrDUB | hi all |
| 09:42.48 | Pimpi | hi ToughShooter and re-hi WolverineJrDUB |
| 09:42.52 | DTRemenak | CB: while that might be a shitty word to use, it would probably be pretty shitty of us to go all nazi on him for using it :) |
| 09:43.34 | CBG | I didn't say "go all nazi on him". :) |
| 09:43.36 | Pimpi | hey, lets find out his ip and get him masterbanned |
| 09:43.46 | Pimpi | :) |
| 09:43.55 | ToughShooter | ROFL |
| 09:43.57 | CBG | If you'r gonna be like this I wont ever report any spam/swearin/ANYTHING ever again. |
| 09:44.13 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 09:44.20 | Birdie | is that good or bad?:) |
| 09:44.37 | CBG | JeffM appreciates my doing it. |
| 09:44.43 | CBG | Even if nobody else does. |
| 09:45.22 | Pimpi | CBG: hey, j/k don't feel pi......(oops) pee'ed ;) |
| 09:45.22 | DTRemenak | CBG: it's a matter of scale. When the last dude went off cussing everybody out, that needed to be taken care of. Someone calling his computer shitty is not really a big deal, especially when his computer really is...shitty. |
| 09:45.47 | Pimpi | we all get struck by lil jokes sonetimes ;) |
| 09:45.53 | CBG | How much they swear is irrelevant, DTR. |
| 09:46.16 | DTRemenak | CBG: the attitude with which they swear is relevant |
| 09:46.18 | CBG | You want your 4 year old going round saying "shitty" to all your friends and family? |
| 09:46.27 | DTRemenak | if he uses it right |
| 09:46.34 | CBG | He swore. Period. |
| 09:46.46 | Birdie | a 4 year old wont read this:) |
| 09:47.03 | DTRemenak | if someone honestly is offended by it, we'll take care of it |
| 09:47.15 | CBG | Okay. I am honestly offended by it. |
| 09:47.17 | CBG | Happy now? |
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| 09:47.39 | DTRemenak | sure |
| 09:47.40 | Pimpi | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=48767#48767 |
| 09:47.41 | WolverineJrDUB | hoi newb |
| 09:47.54 | newbie_dont | RE |
| 09:47.59 | newbie_dont | re :) |
| 09:48.23 | Pimpi | ;) |
| 09:48.28 | Birdie | excremental:s what a word |
| 09:49.39 | CBG | Pimpi: excremental? :) thanks |
| 09:50.08 | ToughShooter | It's not nice to change someone else's post! ;) |
| 09:50.46 | Birdie | i feel offended by that:p! |
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| 09:51.25 | DTRemenak | aww, you drove him away! |
| 09:51.34 | Birdie | oh oh |
| 09:51.54 | ToughShooter | he's still in #silvercat |
| 09:52.02 | Birdie | ya he only closed this channel |
| 09:52.19 | ToughShooter | lets continue the conversation there >:) |
| 09:52.28 | Birdie | lol |
| 10:07.12 | ToughShooter | Is it only me or does the board no longer load in web browsers? |
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| 10:08.40 | WolverineJrDUB | re CGB |
| 10:08.43 | WolverineJrDUB | CBG |
| 10:08.47 | CBG | hi. |
| 10:08.52 | CBG | again. :) |
| 10:08.59 | WolverineJrDUB | :) |
| 10:09.18 | CBG | (wonders exactly what re actually means...) |
| 10:09.29 | DTRemenak | short for rehi |
| 10:09.43 | CBG | which basically means hi - right? |
| 10:09.53 | DTRemenak | hmm. m.b.o seems to have died |
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| 10:12.05 | DTRemenak | hola Tupone |
| 10:12.18 | Tupone | morning DTRemenak |
| 10:13.36 | Tupone | great, how do you get it? |
| 10:13.51 | Tupone | or them |
| 10:14.14 | CBG | When "make"ing current cvs. |
| 10:14.37 | CBG | DTRemenak: so, from 10:56 TILL 11:13, is 17 mins... :P |
| 10:14.51 | Tupone | would you mind posting/pasting some in pastebin |
| 10:14.56 | CBG | Here is all the output for "make": http://pastebin.ca/20724 |
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| 10:16.14 | DTRemenak | those errors do not match line numbers in current cvs. are you sure you are up to date? |
| 10:16.24 | CBG | me? |
| 10:16.31 | CBG | up to date with what? |
| 10:16.35 | brad2901 | .. |
| 10:16.46 | DTRemenak | cvs |
| 10:16.51 | CBG | I'm trying to "make" the CURRENT cvs... can you get more up to date? |
| 10:16.52 | Tupone | CBG you probably have a CVS merge errors |
| 10:17.01 | CBG | I what with what what? |
| 10:17.15 | CBG | you mean my dev tools? |
| 10:17.24 | DTRemenak | you modified commands.cxx at some point. then Tupone modified it, and cvs tried to put your changes together, but couldn't. |
| 10:17.25 | Tupone | you modified commands.cxx your self and then updated |
| 10:17.35 | CBG | Not this time... |
| 10:17.46 | DTRemenak | cvs update -C src/bzfs/commands.cxx then ;) |
| 10:17.48 | CBG | That was weeks ago. |
| 10:18.00 | CBG | oh, so i have to start all over? |
| 10:18.05 | DTRemenak | or fix it |
| 10:18.08 | CBG | :( |
| 10:18.12 | DTRemenak | your changes are no longer valid |
| 10:18.26 | CBG | I thought cvs update would overwrite them... |
| 10:18.34 | DTRemenak | it tries to syncronize them |
| 10:18.41 | CBG | I have updated cvs a few times since I changed commands.cxx. |
| 10:18.45 | CBG | ugh :( |
| 10:18.53 | DTRemenak | in this case, Tupone's changes were too extensive and it could not resove the differences |
| 10:19.01 | DTRemenak | resolve them even |
| 10:19.20 | CBG | Ok, you'r command: cvs update -C src/bzfs/commands.cxx does not work. :( |
| 10:19.22 | Tupone | nope, if CVS overwrite my local change I'd go crazy trying to save my local changes. CVS try to mix them |
| 10:19.31 | CBG | hmph. |
| 10:19.33 | DTRemenak | this is why Jeff keeps pushing plugins |
| 10:19.57 | CBG | when I run cvs update -C src/bzfs/commands.cxx it gives me the usage for cvs... |
| 10:20.05 | DTRemenak | 'cause patches become invalid when the sources change |
| 10:20.05 | CBG | "update: invalid option -- C" |
| 10:20.25 | WolverineJrDUB | i'm going to have lunch |
| 10:20.27 | WolverineJrDUB | bye |
| 10:20.31 | Tupone | CBG: remove comman.cxx and then cvs update |
| 10:20.32 | CBG | cya wolverine |
| 10:20.54 | CBG | ok. |
| 10:21.17 | DTRemenak | how can you not have -C |
| 10:21.39 | ToughShooter | Tupone: This one was accepted, wasn't it? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1241100&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 10:21.49 | CBG | DTRemenak: http://pastebin.ca/20726 |
| 10:22.09 | DTRemenak | CBG: cvs --version? |
| 10:22.40 | CBG | http://pastebin.ca/20727 |
| 10:22.41 | Tupone | ToughShooter: not 100 % sure, but I think so. |
| 10:23.01 | DTRemenak | 1.10...geez |
| 10:23.08 | CBG | heh. |
| 10:23.14 | DTRemenak | still, I thought 1.10 had -C |
| 10:23.31 | ToughShooter | Hmm, 10.4 ships with my cvs version |
| 10:23.36 | Chestal | 1.11...geez :-) |
| 10:23.47 | ToughShooter | Chestal: ? |
| 10:23.53 | Chestal | ToughShooter: ooold :-) |
| 10:24.11 | ToughShooter | Chestal: Ok, I'll update right now |
| 10:24.21 | CBG | How do you? |
| 10:24.30 | Tupone | CBG: after removing the command.cxx just do a "cvs update" with no option |
| 10:24.42 | CBG | Tupone: I did... It's making. |
| 10:24.47 | Tupone | ahh |
| 10:24.52 | CBG | Fingers crossed guys :) |
| 10:25.04 | DTRemenak | CBG: "how do you" is a vague question in this context....try "How do you <insert what you want to do here>?" :) |
| 10:25.29 | CBG | What was the message before mine? "I'll update cvs now" :) |
| 10:25.35 | ToughShooter | Tupone: There's my name in changelist: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/ChangeLog?rev=2.72&view=markup |
| 10:25.42 | CBG | How do I update my "cvs" from 1.10 to 1.12 or whatever |
| 10:26.08 | ToughShooter | darwinports/fink and then simply update |
| 10:26.57 | CBG | Erm, can you explain it in more detail? |
| 10:27.13 | ToughShooter | RTFM |
| 10:27.25 | CBG | yes sir. |
| 10:27.33 | ToughShooter | It's all in the readmes |
| 10:27.40 | CBG | Where is the F***ing manual? |
| 10:27.52 | ruskie | lol |
| 10:27.56 | CBG | Where are these readmes? |
| 10:28.12 | CBG | Tell ya what; I'll stick with 1.10. :) |
| 10:28.30 | CBG | If it ain't broke, dont fix it, right? |
| 10:28.49 | DTRemenak | or just build it yourself. http://savannah.nongnu.org/download/cvs/cvs-1.12.12.tar.gz |
| 10:28.54 | ToughShooter | Chestal: Darwinports unly has 1.11.19 :/ |
| 10:29.31 | DTRemenak | 1.11/1.12 are parallel stable/devel |
| 10:29.45 | Chestal | stable, geez :-) |
| 10:30.14 | ruskie | lol |
| 10:31.10 | Chestal | I have no clue what changed anyway |
| 10:31.30 | Chestal | I'm onlyusing basic CVS features myself |
| 10:32.52 | ruskie | -C? |
| 10:33.49 | DTRemenak | clean |
| 10:33.59 | DTRemenak | "trash my changes and get a new copy of the file" |
| 10:33.59 | CBG | It must be a NEW(ish) basic feature, then. :) |
| 10:34.35 | DTRemenak | I know cvsnt had it a long time ago. did not use cvs-proper until recently |
| 10:35.24 | ruskie | :) |
| 10:36.15 | CBG | finished.... testing time. :) |
| 10:36.43 | DTRemenak | curious. TextUtils::tokenize seems to throw out single-character tokens :S |
| 10:37.19 | CBG | Wooohoo, coloured server list :D |
| 10:37.25 | DTRemenak | e.g. parsing 10 * * * * returns a vector < "10" "" "" "" "" "" > |
| 10:37.28 | CBG | Except the scheme sucks... :( |
| 10:38.33 | ruskie | lol |
| 10:38.38 | ruskie | never happy |
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| 10:39.10 | CBG | I don't suppose the colors can be edited in the client conf? |
| 10:39.42 | DTRemenak | of course not |
| 10:39.54 | CBG | tsk. :/ |
| 10:40.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/ (MacDisplay.cxx MacMedia.cxx MacVisual.cxx MacWindow.cxx): Removing unused var warning. |
| 10:40.27 | CBG | DTRemenak: At leats it works now, and autoreconf did it too... Thanks. :) |
| 10:40.30 | CBG | Cya all later... |
| 10:40.37 | CBG | *least, :( |
| 10:44.20 | Tupone | my last change are not tested/compiled :) So I could expect compile errors on those. I don't have a Mac |
| 10:48.21 | ruskie | lol |
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| 11:32.17 | Grrr | hi all |
| 11:32.34 | Grrr | everybody sleepin? |
| 11:33.26 | Grrr | need help... |
| 11:33.32 | brad2901 | ~ask |
| 11:33.32 | ibot | hmm... ask is Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 11:34.59 | Grrr | Since an apt-get upgrade this morning i have a very big ping- jitter |
| 11:35.35 | DTRemenak | Grrr: complain to TimRiker |
| 11:36.01 | DTRemenak | we've had similar comments from a number of people on debian |
| 11:36.14 | Grrr | thx |
| 11:36.29 | Grrr | so i am not the only one... :-) |
| 11:36.42 | Grrr | maybe there is hope :-) |
| 11:36.43 | DTRemenak | email is the most effective way of getting ahold of him. tim -at- rikers.org |
| 11:37.41 | Grrr | ok... thanks for your advice |
| 11:38.26 | DTRemenak | noone around here knows what causes it. if you build it yourself it probably will not have the problem (some have reported that that fixes it anyway) |
| 11:39.17 | Grrr | I tried to build it but had some probs with that... missing libs... |
| 11:39.41 | DTRemenak | all the libs you need should be in apt. grab the -dev (-devel?) packages too. |
| 11:39.56 | DTRemenak | curl and sdl are the big ones |
| 11:40.20 | Grrr | yes.. how do i get sources with apt? |
| 11:41.09 | Grrr | ok.. apt-get source... :-) |
| 11:41.47 | Grrr | :-) |
| 11:41.54 | ruskie | :) |
| 11:41.58 | ruskie | <-- uses source mage |
| 11:42.06 | ruskie | always a nice build from source :) |
| 11:43.07 | Grrr | i have a slow pc :-/ |
| 11:46.18 | ruskie | define slow? |
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| 11:46.39 | DTRemenak | slow (n): slower than fast |
| 11:47.11 | DTRemenak | ~lart Grumbler |
| 11:47.23 | DTRemenak | err, I mean, hi |
| 11:47.24 | Grumbler | well, good morning to you as well |
| 11:47.41 | Grumbler | maybe you should sleep more |
| 11:47.51 | DTRemenak | sleep? |
| 11:48.47 | Grrr | ruskie: Athlon900 :-) |
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| 11:49.11 | DTRemenak | aw, that's not too slow |
| 11:49.12 | ruskie | hmm |
| 11:49.22 | ruskie | I don't consider that slow |
| 11:50.59 | Grrr | fast enough for bzflag ... i try to find out what i need for building it myself |
| 11:55.11 | Grrr | bye bye |
| 12:03.36 | brad2901 | ~bzflist |
| 12:06.32 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/ (bzfs/BZWReader.cxx common/TextUtils.cxx): mostly ws |
| 12:06.50 | jomojo | grr bloody server list is down |
| 12:06.58 | ruskie | breaking things again eh ? ;) |
| 12:07.25 | jomojo | don't look at me i just play here |
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| 12:11.35 | meacan | :) |
| 12:13.46 | DTRemenak | I can ssh in but can't reach anything else |
| 12:15.10 | DTRemenak | try now |
| 12:16.00 | meacan | :) |
| 12:16.26 | meacan | a-delusion submitted same post 3 times, guess i had problems too |
| 12:16.42 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 12:17.10 | meacan | "he had" |
| 12:17.13 | meacan | :-| |
| 12:17.34 | meacan | want a link? |
| 12:17.41 | DTRemenak | got them already |
| 12:31.00 | Grumbler | all bow to DTRemenak 's power of deletion.........well, maybe a little head nod........ |
| 12:31.08 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 12:47.45 | brad2901 | Do plugins work with bzfs compiled with dev-cpp? |
| 12:48.28 | DTRemenak | probably not |
| 12:48.36 | brad2901 | ok :( |
| 12:48.43 | DTRemenak | lan has not updated it in a long time |
| 12:48.49 | brad2901 | ah |
| 12:52.40 | brad2901 | LINK : fatal error LNK1104: cannot open file 'net.lib' |
| 12:52.53 | brad2901 | is that the same as bzfs.lib? |
| 12:53.34 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 12:54.28 | DTRemenak | dev-c++ does not generate separate libs the way everything else does. that in itself may be the biggest obstacle. |
| 12:54.40 | brad2901 | oh |
| 12:55.19 | DTRemenak | it's possible that you could get it to generate a bzfs.lib that's a strict superset of the standard one, which might work |
| 12:55.47 | brad2901 | If only I knew how to :) |
| 12:55.49 | DTRemenak | but someone would have to put a bunch of time into it, and it's not really worth it to anyone who has vc anyway |
| 12:56.03 | brad2901 | ok |
| 12:56.17 | DTRemenak | yeah, you'd need to do a bunch of research and probably experimentation |
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| 12:57.21 | DTRemenak | if you build bzfs with mingw+msys it should be able to use plugins. I have not tested it though, so no guarantee. |
| 12:57.25 | I_Died_Once | Yoooooo |
| 12:57.30 | brad2901 | oh, cool |
| 12:57.34 | brad2901 | I'll give it a try |
| 12:57.42 | I_Died_Once | Is it me or is CVS broken? |
| 12:58.03 | DTRemenak | broken how? |
| 12:58.13 | brad2901 | DTRemenak: should cygwin give the same results? |
| 12:58.15 | I_Died_Once | When it asks for a password, andI hit enter, it hangs |
| 12:58.21 | I_Died_Once | on all my systems |
| 12:58.45 | DTRemenak | brad2901: cygwin is not recommended. I don't even know if it builds under cygwin anymore, bzfs probably does but bzflag probably does not. |
| 12:58.49 | I_Died_Once | Can someone else check the anon CVS real quick and se if it is just me? |
| 12:58.54 | brad2901 | ok |
| 12:59.01 | brad2901 | I'll check it |
| 12:59.12 | I_Died_Once | "Greetings from Planet MoFo" |
| 12:59.59 | brad2901 | It's very, very slow |
| 13:00.14 | I_Died_Once | DT - what was that you were telling me to do yesterday... something like fchk? |
| 13:00.25 | I_Died_Once | when we were talking about my GRUB |
| 13:00.50 | I_Died_Once | If I power off this computer, I have to reinstall the bootloader |
| 13:00.56 | Grumbler | hmm, the start menu->bzflag***->doc-> html links are all broken |
| 13:01.46 | DTRemenak | ah. Jeff was suggesting that it could be your disk taking a dump. If you run fsck it will check it for consistency. |
| 13:02.01 | I_Died_Once | fsck - thanks |
| 13:02.03 | DTRemenak | I personally do not believe that's your problem, but I don't have any better suggestions :) |
| 13:02.51 | DTRemenak | generally when your disk is dying it's pretty noticable. files start disappearing or changing names or contents and stuff. |
| 13:03.03 | I_Died_Once | well that aint happened yet... |
| 13:03.21 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's why I don't think it's your problem. fsck is a way to be pretty sure. |
| 13:03.53 | I_Died_Once | Its weird, when i first power on, the BIOS doest recognize anything until your CTRL ALT DEL, then it recognizes the devices, but reports a GRUB Geom error |
| 13:04.02 | DTRemenak | hm, geometry error |
| 13:04.14 | DTRemenak | your BIOS battery good? |
| 13:04.21 | I_Died_Once | I leave it on 24/7 |
| 13:04.26 | I_Died_Once | Thats a good question |
| 13:04.38 | DTRemenak | yeah, except when you turn it off, which is when it won't boot ;) |
| 13:04.41 | I_Died_Once | The lady that gave me the computer.. |
| 13:04.50 | I_Died_Once | she got it from someone who said it was refurbished |
| 13:05.12 | I_Died_Once | everything is onboard but the video card |
| 13:05.25 | I_Died_Once | Dell pentium4 |
| 13:05.32 | I_Died_Once | dimension 8100 |
| 13:05.34 | I_Died_Once | boat anchor |
| 13:05.41 | DTRemenak | fortunately bzfs is not picky about the quality of the computer you run it on :) |
| 13:06.04 | I_Died_Once | & I'm pretty sure it has good ram |
| 13:06.04 | Grumbler | yeah, wasnt chestal running it on a 250mhz jobby |
| 13:06.09 | DTRemenak | heh, yup :) |
| 13:06.16 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: no, 133 iirc |
| 13:06.29 | Grumbler | heh |
| 13:06.32 | DTRemenak | ducati was |
| 13:06.51 | DTRemenak | I was running a fistful of bzfs' on a 200 |
| 13:06.55 | I_Died_Once | Once I get the CVS compiled and going, I have to disconnect the monitor and keyboard & mouse so I can install SuSE on yet another computer |
| 13:07.03 | DTRemenak | yay :) |
| 13:07.23 | DTRemenak | more computers with more linux is always a good thing |
| 13:07.32 | I_Died_Once | well its for a friend |
| 13:07.37 | DTRemenak | exactly |
| 13:07.42 | I_Died_Once | this computer currently has win98 on it |
| 13:07.48 | I_Died_Once | 30 some odd megs of ram |
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| 13:07.53 | DTRemenak | that statement was a general, worldwide, benefit of humanity statement :) |
| 13:08.13 | I_Died_Once | this computer is about eight years old |
| 13:08.26 | I_Died_Once | theo one i am going to work on later |
| 13:08.30 | I_Died_Once | its a Packard Bell |
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| 13:08.33 | DTRemenak | eww |
| 13:09.02 | I_Died_Once | its got 34 or 38 some odd megs of ram.... Its a miracle it still boots |
| 13:09.10 | I_Died_Once | and its windows actually works |
| 13:09.35 | I_Died_Once | it sshouldnt boot by all conventional means.... |
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| 13:09.47 | DTRemenak | I ran 98 on 32 mb of ram for a long time |
| 13:10.07 | DTRemenak | just had to remember that it was not at all a multitasking system |
| 13:10.17 | I_Died_Once | this was my friends' mothers' computer - she died, and i was ent in to look for pics and emails |
| 13:10.22 | DTRemenak | suse will kill that system if you let it install kde, just as a warning :) |
| 13:10.25 | Grumbler | sure it was.....just a lot of disk swapping |
| 13:10.39 | I_Died_Once | nothing turned upare you serious? |
| 13:11.02 | I_Died_Once | I was thinking of installing 9.1 - the CD drive will not recognize DVD's |
| 13:11.04 | DTRemenak | Grumbler: no, it was a unitask system. when you tried to run a second process it went to a zero-tasking system :) |
| 13:11.30 | Grumbler | heh |
| 13:11.37 | I_Died_Once | don't tell me suse will kill the computer |
| 13:11.38 | DTRemenak | maybe it's gotten better recently but KDE has always been a huge memory hog |
| 13:11.46 | I_Died_Once | eek |
| 13:11.55 | DTRemenak | suse itself is very flexible |
| 13:11.57 | I_Died_Once | knoppix works well enough |
| 13:12.06 | DTRemenak | you can run IceWM on it and that will be plenty fast |
| 13:12.22 | DTRemenak | it's just KDE that gets a bit hungry :) |
| 13:12.38 | Tupone | or fluxbox ? |
| 13:12.45 | DTRemenak | aye, or windowmaker |
| 13:13.02 | DTRemenak | any number of lightweight window managers out there |
| 13:13.20 | Grumbler | heh....twm baby |
| 13:13.43 | DTRemenak | or KDE 1.x if you're feeling masochistic |
| 13:13.51 | Tupone | I accept suggestion for a mail client ... I use evolution but I guess is too large for a 500MHz |
| 13:13.52 | DTRemenak | that was designed for that level of hardware |
| 13:13.58 | DTRemenak | pine :) |
| 13:14.09 | Tupone | is graphical ? |
| 13:14.12 | DTRemenak | no :) |
| 13:14.16 | DTRemenak | who needs graphics |
| 13:14.18 | I_Died_Once | hmmmmm |
| 13:14.19 | DTRemenak | email is text |
| 13:14.27 | Tupone | that is not for me :( |
| 13:14.33 | I_Died_Once | the owner will need graphics |
| 13:14.48 | DTRemenak | thunderbird is probably lighter than evolution |
| 13:15.05 | I_Died_Once | ok, CVS just clowly started working |
| 13:15.06 | DTRemenak | I_Died_Once: then, might I suggest, a bit more RAM :) |
| 13:15.07 | I_Died_Once | woot |
| 13:15.23 | Tupone | balsa and/or sylpheed ? someone experimented with those? |
| 13:15.25 | DTRemenak | KDE runs decently on 64mb with everything turned off/down |
| 13:15.38 | I_Died_Once | I'll have to see if I got ny that'll work |
| 13:15.43 | I_Died_Once | nTHanks for the help |
| 13:15.50 | Tupone | ~n |
| 13:15.50 | ibot | rumour has it, n is the disease bzflag players get when they play too much |
| 13:16.04 | I_Died_Once | dammmit |
| 13:16.08 | I_Died_Once | thasts funny |
| 13:16.19 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 13:16.27 | I_Died_Once | I'll be running the latest plugins and CVS soon on Planet MoFo |
| 13:17.23 | I_Died_Once | How about a plugin that can run a timed game, and switch between .conf files |
| 13:18.11 | I_Died_Once | tell it how long to run a .conf file and which one to alternate between |
| 13:18.30 | I_Died_Once | eliminate the need for KAlarm |
| 13:18.33 | DTRemenak | janitor can probably do the job |
| 13:18.54 | I_Died_Once | even make it change the listing in the public server list |
| 13:19.23 | I_Died_Once | I'm running that, BTW |
| 13:19.34 | I_Died_Once | Janitor... |
| 13:19.43 | I_Died_Once | If you want the password to test it let me know |
| 13:19.43 | DTRemenak | set up a timed task to kill the server after whatever time, then a shell script to start them in sequence |
| 13:20.16 | I_Died_Once | But a plugin that does the task and eliminate the need for 3rd party apps |
| 13:20.41 | DTRemenak | you always need a script that starts them in sequence. bzfs can't change a lot of stuff once it's running (the world for instance) |
| 13:21.33 | I_Died_Once | I was thinking one that would change completely different .conf files, so it could switch between the passion of the rabbit hunt and free for all by itself |
| 13:21.50 | DTRemenak | game mode is another thing it can't change while it's running |
| 13:22.05 | DTRemenak | those are things you need to restart the server for |
| 13:22.16 | I_Died_Once | could a plugin restart bzfs with different arguements? |
| 13:22.42 | DTRemenak | no. janitor would come closest, you could have it start bzfs on a different port and then shut the current one down |
| 13:23.07 | I_Died_Once | post a tutorial |
| 13:23.42 | I_Died_Once | thats the only thing that would kill plugin usage - lack of explanation of how to configure and what it does |
| 13:23.46 | Grumbler | Tupone, i ran balsa a year or so ago, it was a bit buggy........but it was better than evolution |
| 13:24.04 | I_Died_Once | KMail is nice |
| 13:24.24 | DTRemenak | yeah, the thing is that some plugins are just way more flexible than is possible to completely document all uses of it |
| 13:24.30 | DTRemenak | janitor for instance, or bzfscron |
| 13:25.09 | DTRemenak | so the programmers just document the generic options and let the server owner figure out how to put them together for a specific task |
| 13:26.06 | Grumbler | Tupone, day to day, i use thunderbird on windows, but the current version is a bit funky with IMAP stuff......random crashes etc |
| 13:29.20 | DTRemenak | Tupone: my dad runs Eudora in wine. That is probably not a good option for you either ;) |
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| 13:30.54 | Grumbler | i ran Mulberry for a year+ on win, it was "nice". |
| 13:31.09 | Grumbler | ...and it has ports for linux......however it costs |
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| 14:23.09 | meacan | plugin doc says, bz_PlayerDieEventData.(teamID/killerTeamID) code says bz_PlayerDieEventData.(team/killerTeam) |
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| 14:35.48 | Grumbler | http://www.thefempire.com/ .....its offical, women have begun to rule the world......oh wait, they already own the world, they are just starting to publicize it :) |
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| 14:59.32 | RPG_ | hello |
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| 15:00.57 | RPG_ | is it bz_resetPlayerScore that's causing the stack to collapse? |
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| 15:44.18 | RPG_ | ~seen meacan |
| 15:44.19 | ibot | meacan is currently on #bzflag #bzleague. Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 1h 21m 10s |
| 15:44.23 | RPG_ | ping meacan |
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| 15:50.58 | meacan | RPG_: yes? |
| 15:51.14 | RPG_ | can you compile the beta 4 source i'm about ot post on BZBB? |
| 15:52.54 | RPG_ | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=48814#48814 |
| 15:53.07 | meacan | sure |
| 15:58.02 | meacan | posted |
| 15:58.35 | CBG | Wow. What a team! :) |
| 15:58.58 | CBG | RPG_, tell me what to do to make that plugin work... |
| 15:59.05 | CBG | Do I need the VERY current CVS first? |
| 15:59.17 | RPG_ | yes |
| 15:59.21 | RPG_ | for beta 4 you do |
| 15:59.25 | RPG_ | just upgraded it to API 11 |
| 15:59.30 | CBG | Okay, so hang on for 15 mins. :) |
| 15:59.54 | CBG | so, as long as I ahve API 11, its ok? |
| 16:00.00 | RPG_ | should be |
| 16:00.05 | RPG_ | you're on a mac |
| 16:00.08 | CBG | I got this mornings CVS (6 hours ago) |
| 16:00.11 | CBG | Yes I am. |
| 16:00.11 | RPG_ | reprase: are you ona mac? |
| 16:00.13 | RPG_ | morning shoudl work |
| 16:00.17 | CBG | Ok. |
| 16:00.19 | RPG_ | i think the changes were done yesterday |
| 16:00.26 | CBG | Ok. lets hope so. |
| 16:00.26 | CBG | Tell me what to do? |
| 16:00.39 | RPG_ | start BZFS with the argument "-loadplugin racetoseven" |
| 16:00.50 | RPG_ | actually, "-loadplugin /path/to/racetoseven" |
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| 16:01.21 | CBG | hang on... |
| 16:01.28 | CBG | I need to donwload it, I assume... |
| 16:01.31 | CBG | *download |
| 16:01.33 | RPG_ | yes you do |
| 16:01.36 | CBG | The source? |
| 16:01.38 | RPG_ | yep |
| 16:01.46 | CBG | Okay, then what? |
| 16:02.00 | RPG_ | compile the source3 |
| 16:02.05 | RPG_ | it will give you an .so file |
| 16:02.10 | CBG | how to compile? |
| 16:02.18 | CBG | just cd into the dir and "make" ? |
| 16:02.20 | RPG_ | uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 16:02.24 | RPG_ | i'm not a mac person |
| 16:02.32 | RPG_ | sure |
| 16:02.34 | RPG_ | try that |
| 16:02.34 | meacan | JeffM2501: A minor update to doc: Plugin doc says, bz_PlayerDieEventData.(teamID/killerTeamID) code says bz_PlayerDieEventData.(team/killerTeam) |
| 16:03.10 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah, I pulled all the ID part from team, since it's now a team enum |
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| 16:03.24 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure the docs are littered with errors |
| 16:03.34 | RPG_ | you spelled "by" "buy" one time |
| 16:03.53 | meacan | Ok, so i dont really need to tell you the stuff i find in them? |
| 16:04.24 | JeffM2501 | just fix them |
| 16:04.32 | RPG_ | you can make patches for docs |
| 16:04.45 | CBG | its making, rpg_ |
| 16:04.58 | JeffM2501 | meacan, you can commit right? |
| 16:05.21 | CBG | done. output: http://pastebin.ca/20750 |
| 16:05.45 | meacan | JeffM2501: yes. But i got that way back, so i could access the league site. Not for dev stuff. So I wouldnt use commit unless i'm allowed :) |
| 16:05.59 | RPG_ | cbg: when you compiled BZFS htis morning, did it make a bzfs.lib file? |
| 16:06.00 | JeffM2501 | for doc updates, go ahead |
| 16:06.01 | DTRemenak | you are allowed :) |
| 16:06.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah totaly |
| 16:06.15 | CBG | RPG_ lemme see |
| 16:06.17 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: got that pair of 550s just now |
| 16:06.20 | JeffM2501 | it won't screw anyone up if it's bad :) |
| 16:06.26 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, cool |
| 16:06.39 | JeffM2501 | meacan, and we allways have history. |
| 16:06.49 | JeffM2501 | the more people banging on the docs the better they will be |
| 16:06.58 | JeffM2501 | I'm not the best wrighter |
| 16:06.59 | CBG | RPG_ seems not. hang on. |
| 16:07.08 | JeffM2501 | I just made them as a "seed" :) |
| 16:07.19 | RPG_ | they're a pretty good seed |
| 16:07.25 | CBG | RPG_ nope. |
| 16:07.49 | RPG_ | search your entire HD for bzfs.lib ? |
| 16:07.54 | JeffM2501 | not compared to many things |
| 16:08.00 | RPG_ | in sherlock or whatever the mack search tool is called? |
| 16:08.10 | JeffM2501 | what are you having him search for the lib for? |
| 16:08.14 | CBG | RPG_ I did. |
| 16:08.21 | JeffM2501 | he's on a mac |
| 16:08.22 | RPG_ | he needs it to compile the plugin |
| 16:08.27 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 16:08.28 | JeffM2501 | dude |
| 16:08.28 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:08.33 | RPG_ | i heard rumors mac has plugin support |
| 16:08.37 | JeffM2501 | only windows uses the lib |
| 16:08.50 | JeffM2501 | it's totaly difrent on the gcc side |
| 16:08.56 | RPG_ | his errors looked lib-ish |
| 16:09.02 | JeffM2501 | 1) configure with --enable-plugins |
| 16:09.07 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, they will be |
| 16:09.14 | JeffM2501 | but they won't be the same |
| 16:09.27 | JeffM2501 | 2) run make in each plugin dir |
| 16:09.30 | JeffM2501 | 3) pray |
| 16:09.43 | JeffM2501 | I don't know if we have libtool hooked into the makefiles yet |
| 16:09.46 | DTRemenak | think the first thing I'm gonna do is swap heatsinks. The ones on the 300s are positively beefy, but the ones that came on the 550s are...well, weak. |
| 16:09.50 | JeffM2501 | RPG_, all you did was hear rummors |
| 16:10.19 | CBG | I get a bus error running bzfs. |
| 16:10.39 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:10.53 | JeffM2501 | I don't think learner commited his libtool changes yet |
| 16:10.56 | JeffM2501 | no plugins for mac yet |
| 16:11.07 | CBG | I wasnt even loading a plugin. :( |
| 16:11.21 | CBG | Output is at http://pastebin.ca/20751 but I doubt it can help. |
| 16:11.21 | JeffM2501 | your make is trying to use the linux style dynamic stufff |
| 16:11.35 | JeffM2501 | CBG, did you build with --enable-plugins? |
| 16:11.54 | CBG | no... |
| 16:12.05 | JeffM2501 | then you probably hit some other crash |
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| 16:12.24 | JeffM2501 | but don't listen to RPG_ he dosn't realy know anythign about mac plugins |
| 16:12.28 | Tupone | MrAC ? |
| 16:12.33 | CBG | :) ok. |
| 16:12.50 | CBG | How much longer till plugins WILL work on mac? |
| 16:12.58 | JeffM2501 | CBG, ask learner |
| 16:13.07 | JeffM2501 | it's his ball |
| 16:13.21 | CBG | ~dict apathy |
| 16:13.30 | CBG | heh. :) |
| 16:13.45 | JeffM2501 | I belive he was waiting to make sure tim was ok with libtool |
| 16:13.54 | Tupone | MrAC is the god of the AutoPilot |
| 16:14.02 | DTRemenak | lots of stuff uses libtool |
| 16:14.15 | DTRemenak | I doubt tim would have a problem with it |
| 16:14.29 | DTRemenak | but hey, tim has problems with lots of stuff I wouldn't expect |
| 16:15.38 | CBG | Seems my bus error is caused when it is "* About to connect() to my.BZFlag.org:81" |
| 16:16.46 | CBG | or port 80 if I don't define 81. |
| 16:17.30 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, one would hope |
| 16:25.09 | CBG | bzfs works if I dont make it public.... :/ |
| 16:25.24 | CBG | the bus error must be from contacting the server list |
| 16:25.59 | JeffM2501 | the bus error must be coming from curl |
| 16:26.23 | CBG | maybe I need a new version of that. :) |
| 16:26.34 | JeffM2501 | allways a thing to try |
| 16:26.47 | CBG | I have curl-7.14.0 right now. I'll look for anything later |
| 16:26.57 | JeffM2501 | that sounds like the current one |
| 16:27.02 | CBG | hmm. |
| 16:27.29 | JeffM2501 | oh, DTRemenak the newer binary builds of libcurl needed a zlib thing, so I included it in the installer. |
| 16:27.43 | DTRemenak | I've been building my own |
| 16:27.43 | JeffM2501 | don't know if your building your libcurl with gzip support or not tho |
| 16:27.51 | CBG | curl.haxx.se has nothing newer than 7.14 :( |
| 16:28.05 | DTRemenak | I've been statically linking bzflag's zlib.lib into mine |
| 16:28.08 | JeffM2501 | CBG, do older versions work? |
| 16:28.12 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, ahh |
| 16:28.23 | CBG | Ive only ever had this version of curl afaik. |
| 16:28.45 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, maybe we can use it an exuse to use an external Zlib :0 |
| 16:28.56 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 16:28.58 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I meant of bzfs |
| 16:29.06 | DTRemenak | just what we need, more external dependencies |
| 16:29.14 | CBG | JeffM2501: 2.0.2 always did. |
| 16:29.16 | JeffM2501 | then libpng :) |
| 16:29.40 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, we make a libKit for windows users and the are fine |
| 16:29.52 | JeffM2501 | I'd love to change texture over to DevIL |
| 16:31.06 | JeffM2501 | but then I'd love to do lots of things |
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| 16:32.17 | bz6794 | So I'm having problems starting bzfs with flags |
| 16:32.31 | bz6794 | bzfs f gives me the help screen |
| 16:32.40 | bz6794 | how am I being stupid? |
| 16:32.44 | CBG | Yes. ;) |
| 16:32.57 | CBG | "f" is not a valid option. |
| 16:33.05 | CBG | Try +f WG{3} |
| 16:33.25 | CBG | That will give you 3 WinGs flags. bz6794. |
| 16:33.32 | bz6794 | that works |
| 16:33.53 | TimRiker | someone did a debian upload to "fix" gcc 4.0 compiles. It broke the server and added jitter to the client. |
| 16:34.35 | bz6794 | how can I just specify 10 random flags? |
| 16:34.55 | Tupone | It seems it has been fixed in current CVS. But don't know who fixed |
| 16:35.26 | Tupone | I mean debian unstable works good with current CVS |
| 16:35.48 | TimRiker | Tupone: nod. There was some work done on generic jitter that seems to effect gcc 4.x clients more. |
| 16:35.49 | CBG | bz6794: +s 10 |
| 16:36.21 | TimRiker | I'm pondering just doing a cvs 2.0.3-date release for debian or asking if folks feel like a 2.0.4 in the near future. |
| 16:36.38 | Tupone | hmm, you mean also the debian has something we don't have in CVS perhaps |
| 16:36.51 | Tupone | I feel 2.0.4 is good about now |
| 16:37.05 | Tupone | don't know the other |
| 16:37.08 | TimRiker | no. the latest debian upload is a 2.0.2 with a 1 line patch to compile with gcc 4.x |
| 16:37.18 | bz6794 | CBG, you are my hero, thanks for the help |
| 16:37.23 | TimRiker | ~dinfo bzflag |
| 16:37.29 | CBG | bz6794: No problem. :) |
| 16:37.51 | TimRiker | notice the -0.1 on the end. |
| 16:38.05 | Tupone | that means the size of the changes? |
| 16:38.20 | Tupone | :) |
| 16:38.40 | TimRiker | no, just that there were changes from the 2.0.2.20050318 package |
| 16:39.21 | TimRiker | ~dinfo bzflag stable |
| 16:39.22 | Tupone | Yesterday a guy that reported jitter problem with debian unstable, tested the current CVS version and was ok to him |
| 16:39.34 | Tupone | he was not able to play before |
| 16:39.45 | TimRiker | Tupone: agreed. seems fine. |
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| 17:04.54 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, many of the plugins need work, as well as the mac needs work |
| 17:05.26 | Tupone | and that is blocking the release ? |
| 17:05.51 | JeffM2501 | many people are building plugins, many people would be mad if the mac did not have them. |
| 17:06.17 | Tupone | and people that have a client that do not work? |
| 17:06.21 | JeffM2501 | I'm going to be pulling the non functional sample plugins, but the mac loader, I feel is release critical |
| 17:06.28 | JeffM2501 | client? |
| 17:06.43 | JeffM2501 | who has clients that don't work? |
| 17:06.43 | Tupone | like debian |
| 17:06.53 | JeffM2501 | as tim said, the current upload has the fix |
| 17:07.05 | Tupone | I did not get it |
| 17:07.25 | JeffM2501 | a minor build issue is not a reason to rush a release, it is a reason to make a bug patch fot that thing |
| 17:07.45 | Tupone | I get the opposite, but English is not my language so I could have misinterpreted |
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| 17:08.28 | Tupone | no little patch to fix client on debian |
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| 17:08.44 | Tupone | unless some one investigate on it |
| 17:08.51 | JeffM2501 | he said " the latest debian upload is a 2.0.2 with a 1 line patch to compile with gcc 4.x" |
| 17:09.02 | Tupone | that cause jitter and broke server |
| 17:09.08 | JeffM2501 | well then we need to fix it |
| 17:09.20 | JeffM2501 | and fix that upload |
| 17:09.36 | JeffM2501 | tho a 2.0.3 beta would NOT be a bad thing |
| 17:09.40 | JeffM2501 | it woudl get more testing |
| 17:09.54 | Tupone | we already fixed. And that is in CVS. Just don't know where |
| 17:09.57 | JeffM2501 | as for a 2.0.4 release, all it will take is learner to do the libtool thing, so the plugins will work |
| 17:10.19 | JeffM2501 | I say it is not ready, but I will not say it is far off |
| 17:10.22 | JeffM2501 | it is very close |
| 17:10.26 | Tupone | have you got a schedule from him? |
| 17:10.32 | JeffM2501 | a what? |
| 17:10.35 | Tupone | :) |
| 17:10.57 | JeffM2501 | I belive last time he was trying to ask TimRiker if libtool was ok to include, or he was going to do it anyway |
| 17:11.22 | Tupone | last time is about couple months ago or more |
| 17:11.28 | JeffM2501 | no no |
| 17:11.31 | JeffM2501 | it was last week |
| 17:11.38 | JeffM2501 | he said he had most of it working localy |
| 17:11.39 | Tupone | ah ok, I lost that |
| 17:11.42 | JeffM2501 | you weren't here |
| 17:11.47 | JeffM2501 | many things happen when you arn't here :) |
| 17:11.58 | Tupone | i just remember the mail he did |
| 17:12.17 | JeffM2501 | I remember the converstations I had with him |
| 17:12.21 | Tupone | aww, what I lost? some party ? |
| 17:12.37 | JeffM2501 | we do and talk about many things as you sleep |
| 17:12.40 | JeffM2501 | it is our "prime time" |
| 17:13.47 | Tupone | what about releasing 2.0.4 and then 2.0.6 with all your stuff, if the time is not near ? |
| 17:14.10 | JeffM2501 | you would have a riot |
| 17:14.15 | JeffM2501 | people are making plugins NOW |
| 17:14.19 | JeffM2501 | as we speak |
| 17:14.32 | JeffM2501 | just this morning there was people trying to make plugins on the mac |
| 17:14.46 | JeffM2501 | and what? are you saying release like today? |
| 17:14.47 | Tupone | how many people are making plugins and how many people just plays |
| 17:14.57 | Tupone | not today, I mean in a couple of week |
| 17:15.02 | JeffM2501 | weeks? |
| 17:15.07 | Tupone | if your stuff is ready and tested is ok |
| 17:15.09 | JeffM2501 | dude I'm thinking this weekend |
| 17:15.18 | JeffM2501 | why not do a 2.0.3 beta? |
| 17:15.22 | JeffM2501 | get some real testing |
| 17:15.31 | Tupone | we got that already |
| 17:15.38 | JeffM2501 | it's not my stuff I'm woried about it beeing tested |
| 17:15.39 | JeffM2501 | we do? |
| 17:15.47 | JeffM2501 | where is the debian package? and how do debian users get it? |
| 17:15.48 | trepan | odds are releases, simple |
| 17:15.51 | trepan | s/are/aren't |
| 17:16.03 | DTRemenak | heh |
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| 17:16.19 | trepan | if you want to go the 2.0.3 route, call it 2.0.4 |
| 17:16.20 | JeffM2501 | I know, but it would be nice if we had a debian beta channel, like we do for windows |
| 17:16.22 | JeffM2501 | even it's a download |
| 17:16.25 | Tupone | hey :) Chikorita :* |
| 17:16.29 | trepan | then call the intended 2.0.4 2.0.6 |
| 17:16.31 | JeffM2501 | we build windows builds all the time |
| 17:16.32 | Birdie | chicorita! |
| 17:16.50 | Chikorita | birbee! |
| 17:16.54 | JeffM2501 | trepan, so you are saying we can't release a .0.3 to the debian channel because it's only for final releases? |
| 17:17.00 | trepan | JeffM2501: the nix folks build from release all the time |
| 17:17.00 | DTRemenak | cvs is better tested on linux than on windows, JeffM2501 |
| 17:17.04 | Chikorita | Tupone: ciao tupone =) |
| 17:17.13 | Birdie | long time no see:) |
| 17:17.16 | trepan | JeffM2501: stick to the format, consistency is a good thing |
| 17:17.28 | Chikorita | Birdie: heh ;) |
| 17:17.31 | JeffM2501 | I'm trying to see what the format is in your mind |
| 17:17.40 | JeffM2501 | how does us doing windows beta builds fit your format? |
| 17:17.41 | trepan | oh, you've got 2.2.7, that must be a beta version |
| 17:18.00 | trepan | unless it was like that one time back in '05, when they had a brain fart |
| 17:18.10 | JeffM2501 | dude help me out here |
| 17:18.19 | JeffM2501 | so are you just saying we don't have a beta channel for debian builds? |
| 17:18.23 | JeffM2501 | if so, that's ok |
| 17:18.28 | trepan | no, we don't |
| 17:18.29 | JeffM2501 | if source is the only linux beta system that's fine |
| 17:18.30 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:18.34 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts all I needed to here |
| 17:18.49 | trepan | especially not if it's going into stable |
| 17:18.54 | JeffM2501 | I don't know the ins and outs of the deibanness |
| 17:19.16 | JeffM2501 | ok so how many people are busted with this GCC 4.0 thing? |
| 17:19.21 | JeffM2501 | I've seen 2 people |
| 17:19.24 | DTRemenak | someone did debian 1.11 builds for a while. they just don't get to apt. |
| 17:19.28 | Tupone | trepan: should be debian and FC4 |
| 17:19.42 | DTRemenak | at least four have told me about it |
| 17:19.46 | JeffM2501 | so for betas could we do debian packages and host them on my.b.o ? |
| 17:19.52 | JeffM2501 | and not apt them? |
| 17:19.56 | JeffM2501 | or is that too confusing? |
| 17:20.16 | Tupone | people don't get that way normally. It should be on popular channel |
| 17:20.16 | DTRemenak | I don't know what "the right way" is. I know what was done before. |
| 17:20.22 | JeffM2501 | I mean obviluslyu people are playing right now |
| 17:20.26 | Chestal | we can do a very small backport of the fix for 2.02 |
| 17:20.29 | JeffM2501 | lots of peopel are playing |
| 17:20.39 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, somone did the packport, it screwed up other stuff |
| 17:20.49 | Tupone | not with debian unstable or Fedora Core 4 |
| 17:20.53 | JeffM2501 | tho it may not have been a good backport |
| 17:20.55 | Chestal | uhm? it only removes 2/3 silly lines of code |
| 17:21.10 | JeffM2501 | Chestal, that's what I thought, but the TIm says it is screwed up |
| 17:21.45 | DTRemenak | the backported fix was a gcc4 thing |
| 17:21.57 | DTRemenak | apparently building with gcc4 is what broke it though. or something. |
| 17:21.58 | trepan | on a related topic, anyone been tagging? ;) |
| 17:22.00 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, trepan, I'm just trying to understand what testing channels are open to use for each OS, not as a way to solve this gcc problem. |
| 17:22.03 | Chestal | I fixed gcc4 in CVS weeks ago |
| 17:22.14 | Chestal | there was some useless back-and-forth converting in the pack for floats |
| 17:22.22 | Chestal | I have no idea what it was doing there in the first place |
| 17:22.39 | JeffM2501 | trepan, I'm outa spray paint |
| 17:22.58 | DTRemenak | tagging? what's that? ;) |
| 17:23.16 | DTRemenak | I think I tagged b3 |
| 17:23.24 | JeffM2501 | I just want to know why Tupone thinks it takes months to get a feature in |
| 17:24.24 | JeffM2501 | if we can see learner this week, we can have him do the libtool thing, I can rip the bad API stuff, and we can be done. |
| 17:24.46 | JeffM2501 | server side fake players can wait till 2.1 |
| 17:24.59 | DTRemenak | trepan: you still planning on anything for 2.0.4? |
| 17:24.59 | JeffM2501 | I mean they hav waited 11 years allready |
| 17:25.10 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I assume you saw that plugin? |
| 17:25.20 | DTRemenak | it's pretty ghetto |
| 17:25.27 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, plugin? |
| 17:25.33 | JeffM2501 | what plugin |
| 17:25.36 | DTRemenak | bzfscron |
| 17:25.44 | JeffM2501 | what is it? |
| 17:25.52 | DTRemenak | connects back to the server over tcp in order to issue commands |
| 17:25.58 | JeffM2501 | eww |
| 17:25.58 | DTRemenak | well gee, what do you think it is |
| 17:26.01 | JeffM2501 | who made it |
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| 17:26.05 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 17:26.14 | JeffM2501 | I dono, maybe it had stuff that it called on the system? |
| 17:26.16 | DTRemenak | what kind of a question is that? |
| 17:26.18 | trepan | DTRemenak: ya, was gonna add the lod/dlist stuff (but with external processing) |
| 17:26.18 | JeffM2501 | or was caleld via a cronjob |
| 17:26.30 | DTRemenak | no, it's a scheduler for / commands for bzfs |
| 17:26.34 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:26.35 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 17:26.38 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 17:26.51 | trepan | also have noshadows, nolighting, occluder, and groupedAlpha keywords, and some fixes |
| 17:27.20 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: it would be a nice chunk of code if it weren't for the need to connect back to the parent bzfs :) |
| 17:27.26 | trepan | but i'm not hell-bent to get it in :) |
| 17:27.36 | DTRemenak | trepan: heh :) |
| 17:27.38 | trepan | a release for this weekend without it sounds just fine to me |
| 17:27.50 | DTRemenak | trepan: you mean we could have released two weeks ago? ;) |
| 17:28.11 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I'd rather not hack up all the player stuff this close to a release |
| 17:28.21 | JeffM2501 | the posibility of something missing testing is great |
| 17:28.22 | trepan | without the plugins? there'd have been a riot |
| 17:28.45 | JeffM2501 | there is also a mac build problem that needs to be solved |
| 17:28.50 | trepan | DTRemenak: might revert the FontManager reste change, might be the cause of the recent white buildings bug |
| 17:28.53 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: mostly I did it because I could, and because I needed the feature |
| 17:28.56 | JeffM2501 | aperantly 2.0.2 did not run on al lmacs |
| 17:29.08 | DTRemenak | trepan: a state reset should not affect the buildings :S |
| 17:29.36 | DTRemenak | they should set their own state before drawing, yes? |
| 17:29.38 | JeffM2501 | we may have to do 2 mac distrobutions for 2.0.4 |
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| 17:29.43 | JeffM2501 | a 10.2 and a 10.3+ |
| 17:29.47 | trepan | it may be goofing up the gstate version of the state |
| 17:29.53 | DTRemenak | ugh |
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| 17:30.13 | JeffM2501 | or we desuport 10.2 |
| 17:30.27 | trepan | would be easier if OpenGLGstate had some of its state visible |
| 17:30.30 | JeffM2501 | or tell them to just build there own |
| 17:30.35 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: you should see the hacked-up ServerLink though. had to bust up the connect into pieces and run them in different ticks so the recv wouldn't block the send :) |
| 17:30.49 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:31.06 | DTRemenak | I mean, it's all one thread |
| 17:41.28 | TimRiker | I have a bunch of files that are about 35G each. I'd like to split each one up into say, 64 pieces. These are text files and I need to split them on line breaks. ideas on a quick way to do this? |
| 17:42.08 | TimRiker | just a quick unix quiz for folks. ;-) |
| 17:42.31 | Tupone | you want 1 line to stay on 1 file |
| 17:43.02 | TimRiker | right. a block offset break would likely split a line and I don't want to do that. |
| 17:44.26 | TimRiker | split(1) might do it... reading up... |
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| 17:45.36 | Chikorita | hi 2 da meeno |
| 17:47.21 | TimRiker | hmm. another issue... I don't have enough disk space to hold twice the file size. so I guess I need to find the break points and then dd the piece out over a net connection. |
| 17:53.20 | Tupone | compression do not fix the space problem ? |
| 17:53.35 | trepan | TimRiker: a custom tool might be a good idea, [f]truncate to avoid your space prob |
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| 18:10.48 | DTRemenak | compression fixes nothing, it just turns a space problem into a time problem :) |
| 18:11.11 | Tupone | if it is inline, could work |
| 18:11.51 | Tupone | well, time will increase a lot :) |
| 18:18.28 | menotume | Chiko !!! |
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| 18:21.16 | Grrr | hi all |
| 18:21.53 | Grrr | something new about that ping/jitter- problem with debian - bzflag? |
| 18:22.15 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:22.20 | JeffM2501 | use cvs |
| 18:22.43 | Grrr | ok |
| 18:22.48 | Grrr | thx |
| 18:23.02 | JeffM2501 | the GCC4.0 fix that was rolled into the package had some problems |
| 18:23.07 | JeffM2501 | CVS fixes it all up |
| 18:23.33 | Grrr | thats nice |
| 18:23.42 | Grrr | ok... bye bye |
| 18:23.47 | JeffM2501 | have fun |
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| 18:50.24 | Tupone | TimRiker: do you have any idea why authentication does not work |
| 18:51.00 | Tupone | well, only on some server |
| 18:53.28 | TimRiker | Tupone: data is already somwhat compressed. If I bzipped each of the 35G files, then the 2 copies would fit. It would take quite some time. |
| 18:53.54 | TimRiker | trepan: agreed. I've been looking into that. |
| 18:54.42 | TimRiker | Tupone: nope. authentication should work everywhere. |
| 18:55.05 | Tupone | on bzflag0.gamesunited.de it does not :/ |
| 18:55.07 | TimRiker | same client works on some servers and does not work on others? do other clients work on both servers? |
| 18:55.24 | brad2901 | That server isn't on the list.. |
| 18:55.35 | TimRiker | that would be why. ;-) |
| 18:55.35 | Tupone | ahh that is why |
| 18:56.22 | CBG | But it is there? |
| 18:56.31 | CBG | Just not public? |
| 18:56.35 | brad2901 | yup |
| 18:56.48 | CBG | Gah. I have been at other servers all day thinking it was down. :( |
| 18:56.53 | brad2901 | :) |
| 18:57.07 | CBG | I'm off there now then. ;) |
| 18:57.30 | brad2901 | have fun |
| 19:14.25 | jpa_ | braaaaddddddddddd..die |
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| 19:15.25 | brad2901 | thx jpa- |
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| 19:16.20 | jpa_ | <3 |
| 19:33.34 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, any opinions on desuporting VC6? |
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| 19:37.48 | Chestal | TimRiker: you tried to fix the gcc4 2.0.02 problem? By applying the change to Pack.cxx? I heard there were issues? But I cannot see how it should not work |
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| 20:56.59 | Birdie | i dunno if some one ever gave this idea.. but if you want to type much on the game to some one...very fast i cant see my text anymore |
| 20:57.06 | Birdie | cant you make some "second line" where we see text? |
| 20:58.24 | JeffM2501 | what do you mean? |
| 20:58.35 | JeffM2501 | your text isn't added to the chat window when you hit enter? |
| 20:59.37 | Birdie | no |
| 20:59.38 | Birdie | i mean |
| 20:59.41 | Birdie | while typing |
| 20:59.46 | Birdie | you only have one line to see your text |
| 20:59.50 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 20:59.53 | JeffM2501 | wrap around |
| 20:59.56 | Birdie | and after very few words its "guessing letters" |
| 21:00.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah I'd think it shoudl wrap :) |
| 21:00.25 | Birdie | it should be for me? or you should make it wrap? |
| 21:00.28 | JeffM2501 | well it's not suposed to be a place for dictation :) |
| 21:00.34 | Birdie | true:) |
| 21:00.37 | JeffM2501 | the game should wrap for you |
| 21:00.38 | Birdie | but wrapping would be cool:) |
| 21:00.39 | JeffM2501 | or something |
| 21:00.52 | JeffM2501 | it wraps output, why not wrap input |
| 21:00.53 | Birdie | if it means what i think it does(text moving?) |
| 21:01.03 | JeffM2501 | no, not really |
| 21:01.06 | Birdie | oh:( |
| 21:01.12 | JeffM2501 | moving means scrolling, that's what most IRC does |
| 21:01.24 | JeffM2501 | think of what happens when you type in like an IM window |
| 21:01.29 | Birdie | but my text doesnt scroll when i'm on the end of my line |
| 21:01.32 | JeffM2501 | the text you made goes UP |
| 21:01.38 | Birdie | yes |
| 21:01.43 | JeffM2501 | that's a wrap |
| 21:01.46 | Birdie | ooh |
| 21:01.54 | Birdie | scrolling vertical:) |
| 21:01.55 | JeffM2501 | it wraps the text to a new line |
| 21:01.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:02.11 | JeffM2501 | just like if you get a long line input, it wraps it to more then one line |
| 21:02.20 | Birdie | it should wrap allready? or didnt you put that in yet? |
| 21:03.52 | JeffM2501 | somone should make it wrap |
| 21:04.03 | Birdie | 8-), i would if i could |
| 21:04.08 | JeffM2501 | one would think it would be logical |
| 21:04.09 | Birdie | but...:) |
| 21:04.51 | JeffM2501 | I'd report it as a feature request |
| 21:07.05 | Grumbler | i could use a game that could wrap.......i suck at wrapping presents for christmas |
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| 21:27.17 | zoly | !seen brad2901 |
| 21:27.17 | TheLastSpartan | zoly: brad2901 was last seen here 2 hours, 11 minutes, and 51 seconds ago saying: <brad2901> thx jpa- |
| 21:27.46 | brad2901 | Hi zoly |
| 21:32.35 | zoly | we are challenged |
| 21:32.40 | zoly | wanna play with me ? |
| 21:33.45 | brad2901 | ok |
| 21:33.52 | brad2901 | what server? |
| 21:34.48 | zoly | meet at 5154 ? |
| 21:34.59 | zoly | i'm looking for another player |
| 21:35.17 | brad2901 | ok |
| 21:35.19 | brad2901 | cya there |
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| 22:00.10 | meno_lap | wow, busy place |
| 22:01.18 | CBG | You bet. ;) |
| 22:01.42 | CBG | This is where _all_ the fun is, meno_lap. :D |
| 22:01.49 | meno_lap | hehe |
| 22:05.05 | CBG | Is anyone willing to listen to my list of patches I was going to make for bzflag after I learned C++ this summer? Because I have 2 weeks left, and for one week I am away, and I haven't even got around to starting to learn any C++, yet... |
| 22:14.27 | zoly | thanks, brad. |
| 22:14.36 | brad2901 | yw, yoly |
| 22:15.10 | zoly | highest match result, as far. |
| 22:15.55 | brad2901 | :) |
| 22:16.06 | zoly | first time we played together. |
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| 22:16.29 | brad2901 | yeah... we played wel |
| 22:16.38 | brad2901 | zoly: you might want to join #bzleague |
| 22:16.47 | brad2901 | It's where all the league chat goes on |
| 22:16.50 | brad2901 | :) |
| 22:17.10 | zoly | ah. ty |
| 22:17.38 | meno_lap | don't go there Zoly, it's a trick ! |
| 22:17.55 | brad2901 | heh |
| 22:17.56 | CBG | It is true. STay away zoly! |
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