| 00:00.00 | learner | i'll try a default build first just to make sure that at least still works too |
| 00:00.06 | DTRemenak | menotume, you didn't go for blink? ;) |
| 00:00.12 | JeffM2501 | it'll be in bzfs.cxx where loadplugin is called |
| 00:00.16 | trepan | don't think blink/underline work |
| 00:00.22 | JeffM2501 | cvs builds, I just did one today |
| 00:00.25 | menotume | bright doesn't seem to work either |
| 00:00.27 | learner | woo hoo :) |
| 00:00.29 | DTRemenak | if the colors work then blink/underline should work |
| 00:00.30 | menotume | hehe |
| 00:00.40 | DTRemenak | otherwise it's broken ;) |
| 00:00.54 | DTRemenak | which I suppose would not be surprising |
| 00:01.21 | learner | it was like that before too -- colors were fine but underugly would mysteriously not do the glline |
| 00:01.26 | menotume | yep, blinking :) |
| 00:01.35 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:02.08 | trepan | menotume: underline? |
| 00:02.56 | learner | hrmph.. interesting new cloaks |
| 00:03.12 | menotume | well, let's see :) |
| 00:03.23 | learner | DTRemenak, with some sort of meat I hope.. |
| 00:03.30 | menotume | bright is not wworking, but it does work in my log:) |
| 00:04.14 | menotume | no underline |
| 00:04.19 | DTRemenak | learner, actually no. alfredo sauce and pasta with saurkraut is quite good though ;) |
| 00:04.41 | menotume | i better remove it before it gives people ideas |
| 00:04.56 | DTRemenak | bright is default, try dim |
| 00:05.31 | DTRemenak | or do a reset_final |
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| 00:06.50 | learner | DTRemenak: boo hiss |
| 00:07.04 | menotume | reset_final didn't work, dim makes it even dimmer (can't even read it) |
| 00:07.19 | learner | "you don't eat meat?! ... that's okay, I'll make lamb" |
| 00:07.22 | DTRemenak | yeah, dim on a menu background is probably rather silly |
| 00:07.48 | DTRemenak | learner, meat is expensive ;) |
| 00:08.04 | menotume | awww, i can't set BG color, or reverse ? |
| 00:08.12 | menotume | hehe |
| 00:08.15 | DTRemenak | nope, no support for those |
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| 00:08.47 | menotume | okies., i'vehad my fun - better remove it now :) |
| 00:09.21 | CBG | If one runs bzflag from Terminal, then exits Terminal and Terminates bzflag process, should bzflah not quit? |
| 00:09.50 | menotume | yes, it should :) |
| 00:10.36 | CBG | Then I broke something. :) |
| 00:11.30 | menotume | i guess you didn't terminate it then ? |
| 00:11.59 | CBG | I did... |
| 00:12.09 | menotume | killall -s KILL bzflag |
| 00:12.12 | menotume | (i think) |
| 00:12.27 | CBG | When you duit terminal it asks "Are you sure, you will have to terminate bzflag, blah blah" and I cliked OK, Terminate it. |
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| 00:12.38 | CBG | *suit, *clicked. |
| 00:12.45 | CBG | *quit, sheesh |
| 00:12.46 | menotume | ewww, must be a mac thing |
| 00:13.27 | CBG | Must be... :roll: |
| 00:14.56 | learner | menotume, the mac terminal app simply warns if you have running foreground processes that will get aborted if you kill the terminal window |
| 00:15.10 | JeffM2501 | mmmm sea |
| 00:15.28 | learner | cbg shouldn't be doing killing bz that way, of course :) |
| 00:15.40 | CBG | learnerL the point is, it didnt kill bzflag! |
| 00:16.21 | learner | well what was the "blah blah" you glossed over that it was telling you? |
| 00:16.41 | learner | if it said you'll have to terminate it yourself, well then.. |
| 00:17.13 | menotume | hehe |
| 00:17.29 | menotume | well, sometimes bz doesn't respond to sigterm |
| 00:17.54 | CBG | Closing this window will terminate the following processes inside it: login basj bash bzflag. |
| 00:18.25 | menotume | CBG: next time use F12, problem solved :) |
| 00:18.37 | CBG | Thats not the point. :P |
| 00:18.59 | menotume | CBG: is it still running ? |
| 00:19.07 | CBG | What? :) |
| 00:19.12 | menotume | bzflag ! |
| 00:19.17 | CBG | Nope... |
| 00:19.21 | menotume | k |
| 00:19.22 | CBG | I pressed F12. :) |
| 00:19.25 | CBG | Why? |
| 00:19.28 | menotume | nvm |
| 00:19.37 | CBG | I can open it... |
| 00:19.57 | menotume | no, that's ok |
| 00:20.00 | CBG | There. Its open. |
| 00:20.09 | menotume | ok, close your term window |
| 00:20.15 | CBG | Okies. |
| 00:20.29 | menotume | in another term window, do: killall bzflag |
| 00:20.50 | CBG | :( its gone. |
| 00:20.59 | menotume | then, it does what it's supposed to |
| 00:21.02 | CBG | Just as I was getting into it too. :) |
| 00:21.19 | menotume | how do you start bzflag? with a script ? |
| 00:21.33 | menotume | is it putting in in the background with a '&' ? |
| 00:21.43 | CBG | a .command file. |
| 00:21.53 | menotume | i know nothing of those |
| 00:21.56 | CBG | "is it putting in in the background with a '&' ?" eh? |
| 00:22.09 | menotume | but, i suspect a script called bzflag that starts bzflag program in the background |
| 00:22.27 | CBG | the command file is just a plain file that says: cd bzflag |
| 00:22.27 | CBG | ./src/bzflag/bzflag -dir data |
| 00:22.27 | menotume | nvm :) |
| 00:22.30 | menotume | i g2g :( |
| 00:22.35 | CBG | aww, :( bye |
| 00:22.41 | menotume | ahh, ok |
| 00:22.45 | menotume | got me then |
| 00:22.51 | CBG | and its doubleclickable... |
| 00:22.59 | CBG | Thats all, folks. |
| 00:27.15 | learner | CBG, it would be bzflag's "fault" for ignoring the terminate request from Terminal |
| 00:27.35 | learner | still, though -- that's really a very wrong way to "kill" apps |
| 00:27.44 | CBG | My point was, if I click "Terminate: shouldnt bzflag die? |
| 00:27.57 | learner | depends on the app |
| 00:28.03 | learner | for a game, I'd say probably not |
| 00:28.04 | CBG | I dont intend to kill it that way, but it should still die... :( |
| 00:28.13 | CBG | Eh, ok. :' |
| 00:28.28 | DTRemenak | kill Kill KILL!!!! |
| 00:29.05 | CBG | Anyone got any jokes? :| |
| 00:29.27 | DTRemenak | A man walked into a bar and said "ouch". |
| 00:29.28 | meacan | can you prevent bzflag from doing global authentication? |
| 00:29.46 | CBG | DTR: *sigh* |
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| 00:34.56 | wegstar | meacan: use a sledgehammer |
| 00:35.56 | blast007 | prevent bzflag from doing it? just don't put a password into the client |
| 00:37.33 | meacan | what about the motd? |
| 00:38.05 | blast007 | think there is a new command line paramater in CVS now, or you can add "set disableMOTD 1" in your conf |
| 00:39.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah you can turn it into full LAN mode |
| 00:44.03 | learner | might as well say it now before I forget -- year after boston, siggraph will be back down in san diego |
| 00:44.06 | JeffM2501 | how many people are full lan users? |
| 00:44.19 | JeffM2501 | west cost represent!!!!!!! |
| 00:44.31 | blast007 | lol |
| 00:45.07 | JeffM2501 | boston didn't go over well as a place? |
| 00:46.24 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, unfortunately I don't think there's any way to know how many people are lan-only users |
| 00:47.21 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 00:47.33 | JeffM2501 | we need like a survey |
| 00:47.37 | JeffM2501 | or suveys |
| 00:47.43 | DTRemenak | survey wouldn't catch most of them though |
| 00:47.43 | JeffM2501 | small ones that pop up on bzbb |
| 00:47.46 | DTRemenak | that's the problem |
| 00:47.47 | JeffM2501 | that are oponal |
| 00:47.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:47.58 | JeffM2501 | lan users are all like lany |
| 00:48.02 | DTRemenak | exactly |
| 00:48.15 | JeffM2501 | you think they don't use the fourms tho? |
| 00:48.22 | DTRemenak | why would they? |
| 00:48.26 | JeffM2501 | maybe get it on the DL page |
| 00:48.29 | DTRemenak | they aren't really part of "the community" |
| 00:48.35 | learner | JeffM2501: no, boston's just fine.. year _after_ will be diego |
| 00:48.37 | JeffM2501 | maybe they do it to just "keep up" :) |
| 00:48.39 | DTRemenak | they don't play on public servers, they don't use global auth |
| 00:48.48 | DTRemenak | they have no reason to visit the forums |
| 00:48.52 | DTRemenak | might be a couple |
| 00:48.53 | JeffM2501 | learner, I know, but why the change, wasn't it here for like 4 years? |
| 00:49.08 | DTRemenak | none of the ones I know do |
| 00:49.17 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, then they will never ever complain :) |
| 00:49.23 | DTRemenak | exactly |
| 00:49.31 | DTRemenak | so we'll never know whether it's needed or not |
| 00:49.32 | JeffM2501 | so screw em ;) |
| 00:49.46 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:49.46 | JeffM2501 | squeaky wheel gets the kick |
| 00:50.22 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:50.27 | DTRemenak | feel vindicated? |
| 00:50.40 | JeffM2501 | somewhat |
| 00:50.50 | JeffM2501 | and it's cool to know that it was a usefull idea |
| 00:50.54 | learner | JeffM2501, yes it was -- _that_ was the oddity |
| 00:50.56 | JeffM2501 | even after what tim said |
| 00:51.05 | JeffM2501 | learner, ahh |
| 00:51.21 | learner | it's usually california, somewhere else, california, somewhere else, etc |
| 00:51.27 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, the end result will be seeing how many people use it |
| 00:51.35 | JeffM2501 | so westcoast represent! |
| 00:51.43 | JeffM2501 | or just that many of them are out here allready? |
| 00:51.56 | JeffM2501 | we have a kick ass marketing dept |
| 00:52.13 | JeffM2501 | "california... it's not where you live!" |
| 00:52.29 | JeffM2501 | "califorrnia... yes they are real" |
| 00:52.57 | JeffM2501 | "california... you know you want it" |
| 00:53.21 | DTRemenak | "california... the home of fruits and nuts" |
| 00:53.42 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 01:21.25 | wegstar | and cheese! |
| 01:21.46 | learner | cheese?? |
| 01:21.53 | learner | wouldn't that be wisconsin? |
| 01:22.37 | learner | maybe land of bean sprout sandwiches |
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| 01:40.10 | learner | my apartment is pretty much presentable now |
| 01:40.18 | learner | just spent the past couple days working on it |
| 01:40.53 | learner | you didn't have a "nightmare" room that I recall |
| 01:40.55 | SportChick | we've avoided this room (except, of course, to use our computers) for nigh on 2 years. We just spent the last two days attacking it. We're not QUITE finished, but will be by tomorrow |
| 01:41.04 | SportChick | oh, yes we did - we just didn't let you peek |
| 01:41.08 | learner | heh |
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| 01:41.29 | SportChick | it was the one at the end of the hallway (straight ahead from the living room) |
| 01:41.31 | learner | the one straight back? |
| 01:41.33 | SportChick | yep |
| 01:41.38 | learner | ahh, yeah |
| 01:41.44 | SportChick | didn't peek did you? |
| 01:41.44 | learner | it wasn't horrible :P |
| 01:41.48 | SportChick | grrrr |
| 01:41.58 | learner | er, no, i didn't peek |
| 01:42.04 | SportChick | it was boxes floor to ceiling! you call that "not horrible?!" |
| 01:42.30 | SportChick | I can actually walk STRAIGHT to the door now (instead of a big circle around the boxes |
| 01:42.35 | learner | you did something back there when we were over, maybe when you went to get the laptop |
| 01:42.37 | SportChick | so how was the train adventure |
| 01:42.44 | SportChick | yes, I did - that's where the lappy hides |
| 01:43.12 | SportChick | anyone seen any good movies lately? we need to escape for a while? |
| 01:43.29 | learner | hmm |
| 01:43.56 | SportChick | we've seen a couple of BAD ones (or not very plausible, at least) |
| 01:44.22 | learner | war of the worlds was okay, but sorta fell apart after 3/4 |
| 01:45.11 | SportChick | seen it already |
| 01:45.18 | SportChick | also seen charlie & choc factory, stealth |
| 01:45.47 | learner | ahh, you're ahead of me then at least for what's in-theatre |
| 01:45.52 | SportChick | batman begins |
| 01:45.58 | SportChick | ah, ok |
| 01:46.14 | SportChick | :) |
| 01:46.32 | learner | hey, I "know".. you've just seen the popular stuff :) |
| 01:46.41 | SportChick | heheh |
| 01:47.12 | SportChick | well, the trick is, we're trying to find something that's been out long enough to be at the dollar theatre, or it's been out at least two weeks AND is showing at Regal (cuz we have free passes) |
| 01:47.16 | learner | fantastic four if you're into comics |
| 01:47.51 | learner | that looks to be good |
| 01:48.39 | SportChick | I've heard it was good, but we never saw it. |
| 01:48.55 | SportChick | have you seen fan4? we've heard it's not so go |
| 01:48.56 | SportChick | good |
| 01:49.10 | learner | didn't seem like a theatre movie to me at the time, but looks like it can be a great at-home-dvd-n-popcorn movie |
| 01:49.36 | learner | haven't seen fan4 |
| 01:49.50 | learner | so yeah, it must have sucked *cough* |
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| 01:56.02 | kc9foh | 12Cool trillian works great at this |
| 01:56.24 | learner | well said |
| 01:56.24 | JeffM2501 | gack... color |
| 01:56.36 | kc9foh | 12(bttf) |
| 01:56.39 | learner | ahh, color |
| 01:56.44 | learner | i saw blank lines |
| 01:56.59 | learner | turn off your color |
| 01:57.14 | kc9foh | 1212,15trying to figure out how too |
| 01:57.31 | kc9foh | 1212,00brb12,00 |
| 02:11.09 | BearPerson | do they have to use every single special format char in existence at the same time? |
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| 02:23.11 | kc9foh | 1212,00ok |
| 02:23.24 | kc9foh | 12hmm12,00 |
| 02:24.08 | kc9foh | 12(Trilly) |
| 02:24.26 | trepan | if you can't figure out how to use it, throw it away |
| 02:24.44 | kc9foh | 12why waste? |
| 02:24.49 | trepan | join a dummy channel to learn how to use it (ex: /join kdummy) |
| 02:25.29 | JeffM2501 | you have to change your trillian settings to not color text |
| 02:25.31 | kc9foh | 12Well I see how you are:) |
| 02:25.32 | JeffM2501 | trillan sucks at IRC |
| 02:25.52 | trepan | if I get op'ed, you have an even clearer perspective |
| 02:26.11 | kc9foh | 12maybe but when u are leagally blind it works for me |
| 02:26.26 | kc9foh | 02better |
| 02:26.28 | JeffM2501 | you can set your client how eer you want |
| 02:26.32 | JeffM2501 | just don't send us our color |
| 02:26.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [-c] by JeffM2501 |
| 02:26.50 | JeffM2501 | or was it C? |
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| 02:46.55 | brlcad | it's c, but I think you turned it "off" |
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| 02:47.19 | *** mode/#bzflag [+c] by JeffM2501 |
| 02:47.23 | *** mode/#bzflag [+c] by brlcad |
| 02:47.30 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 02:48.48 | tofu | this is a test |
| 02:49.21 | tofu | ~colortest |
| 02:49.21 | ibot | 2c3o4l5o6r7t8e9s10t |
| 02:49.26 | tofu | w00t |
| 03:04.58 | wegstar | ... |
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| 04:20.07 | creeperz | and... |
| 04:20.12 | creeperz | my friends 9800 pro is dead |
| 05:03.02 | creeperz | WoW has officially driven the stake into the heart of every other good game |
| 05:03.25 | BenUrban | this is the wrong channel to say that in |
| 05:03.37 | BenUrban | try a non-game channel |
| 05:03.40 | BenUrban | or a WoW channel |
| 05:03.40 | BenUrban | lol |
| 05:03.58 | creeperz | PlanetSide, from SOE, for example |
| 05:04.16 | creeperz | a MMOFPS that takes place in some silly year like 3552 |
| 05:04.28 | creeperz | has Fanta ads in the sanctuaries |
| 05:04.42 | creeperz | "Wanna Fanta. Don |
| 05:04.51 | creeperz | 't you wanna Fanta?" |
| 05:06.02 | blast007 | not really ;) |
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| 05:12.41 | ViPeR | where ladyK |
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| 05:20.58 | jpa_ | tired :/ |
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| 05:30.26 | bz3828 | bzfquery 192.168.1.100:5154 |
| 05:33.08 | bz3828 | bzfquery 192.168.1.100:5154 |
| 05:33.28 | blast007 | first off, it's ~bzfquery |
| 05:33.38 | blast007 | second, that is your local network IP, not your remote IP |
| 05:33.58 | bz3828 | ok thanks |
| 05:34.44 | blast007 | your real IP is 68.118.145.182 |
| 05:34.59 | blast007 | ~bzfquery 68.118.145.182:5154 |
| 05:36.53 | orchid | ~ports |
| 05:36.53 | ibot | rumour has it, ports is http://www.debian.org/ports/, or http://www.isi.edu/in-notes/iana/assignments/port-numbers, or the FreeBSD ports system etc etc, or http://www.portforward.com/routers.htm |
| 05:37.43 | brlcad | ~portage |
| 05:37.43 | ibot | methinks portage is the gentoo's bsd style ports system written in python, *way* more reliable than apt |
| 05:49.36 | BenUrban | ibot: botsnack |
| 05:49.36 | ibot | BenUrban: thanks |
| 05:57.23 | trepan | just added colored "icons" to server entries |
| 05:57.35 | trepan | the font handling junk is kind of hairy though, so expect some probs... |
| 05:59.32 | orchid | yay probs |
| 06:00.03 | brlcad | yay junk |
| 06:01.08 | trepan | yay, list looks a little less like ass |
| 06:02.57 | orchid | oh hehe |
| 06:18.35 | brlcad | and now i have sir mix-a-lot stuck in my head |
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| 08:32.08 | jpa_ | lllaa |
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| 08:32.43 | bz7082 | I have a problem with a player, who do i speak to? |
| 08:32.59 | jpa_ | the server admin, preferably |
| 08:33.08 | bz7082 | How? |
| 08:33.10 | jpa_ | which server? |
| 08:33.18 | bz7082 | one sec |
| 08:33.39 | bz7082 | louman.bzflag.bz |
| 08:33.56 | jpa_ | ~bzfquery louman.bzflag.bz |
| 08:34.31 | jpa_ | humm |
| 08:34.57 | jpa_ | could you verify the address? |
| 08:35.09 | bz7082 | If you could help I would appreciate it, one sec will check |
| 08:36.05 | bz7082 | louman.bzflag.bz:5157 |
| 08:36.17 | jpa_ | ~bzfquery louman.bzflag.bz:5157 |
| 08:37.57 | jpa_ | humm, i think louman is sleeping :) |
| 08:38.03 | bz7082 | It is a long sttory, but in short "harmless" is a camper, I really dislike campers and I am not such a bad player My call sign "quiver" |
| 08:38.22 | jpa_ | there is nothing wrong with camping |
| 08:38.46 | jpa_ | it is just a playing strategy, one of many |
| 08:39.21 | bz7082 | I targeted him, then he started making stuff up saying that i was saying things, this went on for 5 mins or so, I tried to ignore him, then i was kicked |
| 08:39.59 | jpa_ | who kicked you? |
| 08:41.25 | bz7082 | "harmless" I suppose, he was sayign stuff like "youshould not say things like that, but I forgive you" "quiver is sayign things to me" whick of course was all crap |
| 08:42.30 | bz7082 | This game rocks I play it all of the time. |
| 08:42.48 | jpa_ | harmless is not admin there |
| 08:42.56 | jpa_ | he couldn't kick you |
| 08:43.04 | bz7082 | Hmm |
| 08:43.22 | jpa_ | are you sure you wasn't kicked for lag etc? |
| 08:43.51 | bz7082 | I even signed on as a different user to see what was going on, No lag by the looks on that server |
| 08:44.32 | jpa_ | it should tell who kicked you and why |
| 08:44.48 | bz7082 | He warned me several times that he was going to, I was a bit shocked when it did disconnect |
| 08:45.17 | jpa_ | humm.. maybe hiddenadmin.. |
| 08:46.04 | bz7082 | Oh well, I am sure you hate this trivial issue, I was just wondering what the process was, never needed to use it before |
| 08:47.14 | bz7082 | I tried to send messages to the admin, by using "o" then send server message |
| 08:47.44 | bz7082 | I was surprised when "Admin" logged in as a viewer |
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| 08:48.31 | bz7082 | Anyway off to kill |
| 08:48.41 | jpa_ | did you say something to him? |
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| 08:49.55 | jpa_ | he isn't admin, couldn't kick you etc. |
| 08:50.21 | jpa_ | and says you were talking crap because he killed you.. |
| 08:50.28 | jpa_ | but, g2g |
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| 09:09.45 | bz7082 | Hey Jpa, just about to sign off. I was not "talking crap" as harmless says, do you have log files? |
| 09:10.01 | jpa_ | no, i'm not admin on that server |
| 09:10.14 | jpa_ | you have to contact louman if you want it resolved |
| 09:10.17 | bz7082 | Cool man, thanks for your help anyway |
| 09:10.44 | bz7082 | He did stop after you had a chat to him |
| 09:11.51 | bz7082 | Happy BZ :) |
| 09:30.56 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 09:31.42 | trepan | they aren't that entertaining, think I'll go back to watching Sleepy Hollow |
| 09:32.21 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 09:32.29 | DTRemenak | I think I'll just go to bed |
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| 10:35.14 | trepan | hm, server list still looks pretty bad |
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| 14:36.21 | learner | yeesh, and I don't even recall setting up louman |
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| 14:52.55 | menotume | errg, 'roger' is sooo broken |
| 14:53.03 | menotume | all he does it go after his own flag |
| 14:54.15 | learner | heh, that's not exactly broken now is it ;) |
| 15:19.45 | orchid | !dict refactor |
| 15:19.46 | TheLastSpartan | orchid: No definition for 'refactor' could be found. |
| 15:20.04 | orchid | ~seen bzg |
| 15:20.06 | ibot | bzg <~orchid@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 354d 16h 37m 23s ago, saying: 'hello'. |
| 15:21.04 | learner | !dict refactoring |
| 15:21.05 | TheLastSpartan | learner: foldoc: refactoring <object-oriented, programming> Improving a computer {program} by reorganising its internal structure without altering its external behaviour. When software developers add new features to a program, the code degrades because the original program was not designed with the extra features in mind. This problem could be solved by either rewriting the existing (3 more messages) |
| 15:21.11 | learner | !more |
| 15:21.11 | TheLastSpartan | learner: code or working around the problems which arise when adding the new features. Redesigning a program is extra work, but not doing so would create a program which is more complicated than it needs to be. Refactoring is a collection of techniques which have been designed to provide an alternative to the two situations mentioned above. The techniques enable programmers to restructure (2 more messages) |
| 15:22.07 | orchid | okie dokie then |
| 15:23.39 | orchid | shes a been busy little bee |
| 15:36.06 | menotume | roger ONLY goes after his own flag, when it is already 'hidden' |
| 15:38.24 | learner | maybe he thinks hiding the flag is unfair |
| 15:49.28 | ToughShooter | sounds like sort of eliza |
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| 16:39.44 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
| 16:39.52 | Tupone | ciao :) |
| 16:40.01 | learner | hola signore |
| 16:40.36 | Tupone | hola seńor |
| 16:41.44 | Tupone | learner: back from sig ? |
| 16:41.49 | learner | yep |
| 16:41.53 | learner | long train ride :) |
| 16:42.06 | Tupone | no cycle? :( |
| 16:42.12 | learner | heh |
| 16:42.42 | learner | that'd take like a month IFF my joints could withstand cycling 12 hours a day |
| 16:43.33 | Tupone | I don't believe you |
| 16:43.40 | Tupone | :) |
| 16:44.05 | learner | hmm.. i think it's like 2 or 3 thousand miles? :) |
| 16:44.11 | Tupone | you'd take less |
| 16:44.16 | learner | crossing two major mountain ridges :) |
| 16:44.43 | learner | suppose I could avoid the rockies, but not the appalachian |
| 16:44.56 | Tupone | but no snow now |
| 16:47.38 | learner | i suppose seeing how I could sustain 20 miles an hour easily enough once I hit flat terrain, but getting over the appalachain would be tough |
| 16:48.35 | learner | 8-12 days across the plains, at least that much to get up the mountain |
| 16:49.45 | learner | i bet my joints would give out after a week or two at that pace though :( |
| 16:49.48 | Tupone | well, ok ... not asking anymore :) |
| 16:49.56 | learner | would be fun! |
| 16:50.09 | learner | would have to have someone to ride with |
| 16:50.19 | learner | that'd make it a lot easier/better |
| 16:50.25 | learner | share the drafting |
| 16:51.27 | Tupone | I ride some time ago. aboout 160 km/day |
| 16:51.54 | Tupone | so I would take a couple of month or more |
| 16:52.07 | learner | :) |
| 16:52.22 | learner | thatd be a 100 miles a day, that's pretty respectable :) |
| 16:54.11 | Tupone | what M J F R stand for in the server list ? |
| 16:55.23 | JeffM2501 | probalby part of chestal's coloring thing |
| 16:55.54 | Tupone | decoding R -> Ricochet |
| 16:56.18 | JeffM2501 | J has to be jump |
| 16:56.19 | Tupone | J -> jumping |
| 16:56.24 | JeffM2501 | what is M and F? |
| 16:57.33 | Tupone | F I suppose is for having superFLAG |
| 16:58.08 | JeffM2501 | M is probalby Multi-shot |
| 16:58.21 | Tupone | M colour is game style |
| 16:59.00 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 16:59.08 | JeffM2501 | not how I would have done it |
| 16:59.24 | Tupone | M -> kind of Match ? |
| 17:00.13 | JeffM2501 | noone is going to understand that |
| 17:00.22 | learner | f -> superflags? |
| 17:00.44 | learner | ahh, tupy said that |
| 17:01.17 | Tupone | I wonder why the R is just darked when no Richo, and not deleted at all |
| 17:01.24 | Tupone | same for J |
| 17:01.30 | JeffM2501 | the best part is how it dosn't compile it all :) |
| 17:01.30 | Tupone | and F |
| 17:01.37 | Tupone | aww |
| 17:02.09 | learner | JeffM2501, i got a clean build both with and without plugins enabled |
| 17:02.18 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:02.29 | learner | but was then utterly baffled as to why the plugins themselves are not tied into the build :) |
| 17:02.31 | JeffM2501 | so the load lib function we call is valid on the tosh? |
| 17:02.44 | JeffM2501 | learner, they are new, so we didn't tie them in yet |
| 17:02.52 | JeffM2501 | making sure that people will use them |
| 17:03.03 | JeffM2501 | on windows I have a project that just builds plugins |
| 17:03.07 | learner | the dlopen stuff is in 10.2 |
| 17:03.09 | JeffM2501 | if all goes well we'll move them in |
| 17:03.25 | JeffM2501 | ok so it can share the same as linux? |
| 17:03.50 | learner | i would figure that about making them off in the build by default, but as it is, they won't even get included in source distributions |
| 17:04.15 | JeffM2501 | well you know I don't know jack about makefiles :) |
| 17:04.20 | learner | :) |
| 17:04.29 | JeffM2501 | feel free to fix em up |
| 17:04.55 | JeffM2501 | I was happy I got a makefile that acutaly MADE them |
| 17:05.37 | JeffM2501 | does x-code have an "appwizard" thing like VC does? to make default projects? |
| 17:06.09 | learner | yep |
| 17:06.23 | JeffM2501 | we should make one that makes a new plugin :) |
| 17:06.29 | JeffM2501 | I'm trying to make one for VC |
| 17:06.30 | learner | several compiling templates of various types |
| 17:06.38 | JeffM2501 | tho they changed it for .net teh bastards |
| 17:06.51 | learner | they are teh suck |
| 17:07.29 | JeffM2501 | not as much teh suck as before, they now have a free compiler |
| 17:07.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: jeffm2501 * bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerMenu.cxx: std::min does not exist, it's just "min" |
| 17:08.22 | learner | yeap |
| 17:08.50 | learner | no std::min? perhaps missing the <math> header or <cmath> or something? |
| 17:09.12 | JeffM2501 | or we have a normal min as part of the OS :) |
| 17:09.43 | JeffM2501 | I'll try it |
| 17:10.03 | learner | should have both |
| 17:10.22 | learner | min is in math.h, but std::min should be in <math> |
| 17:10.37 | JeffM2501 | don't have <math> |
| 17:10.43 | JeffM2501 | don't have <cmath> |
| 17:10.58 | learner | no way |
| 17:10.59 | JeffM2501 | well have cmath |
| 17:11.05 | learner | ahh |
| 17:11.07 | JeffM2501 | but still gives same error |
| 17:11.15 | learner | and that's with .net? |
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| 17:11.20 | JeffM2501 | 2k3 |
| 17:11.26 | learner | wierd, really wierd |
| 17:12.18 | JeffM2501 | cmath just includes math.h |
| 17:12.34 | learner | right, it's just a c++ compatibility header |
| 17:13.10 | learner | maybe different header |
| 17:13.13 | learner | try <algorithm> |
| 17:13.59 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 17:14.06 | JeffM2501 | illegal token on right side of :: |
| 17:15.42 | learner | hrm, not that I see |
| 17:15.45 | meacan | "[std::min is] Defined in the standard header algorithm, and in the nonstandard backward-compatibility header algo.h." .. tried algo.h? |
| 17:15.59 | learner | maybe just some .net stl non-compliance |
| 17:16.12 | learner | or <calgo> |
| 17:16.46 | JeffM2501 | none of those worked |
| 17:16.55 | JeffM2501 | probably a confilct with how they did it in the old days or something |
| 17:17.43 | JeffM2501 | none of those even exist |
| 17:17.49 | learner | hrm.. there's a short thread on the gnu mailing list about how it might have something to do with mfc compatibility |
| 17:19.38 | learner | ahh, yes, apparently there are min and max functions defined in windows.h |
| 17:19.55 | learner | that would be a rather significant unavoidable conflict I suppose |
| 17:20.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: jeffm2501 * bzflag/src/bzflag/ServerMenu.cxx: let the rest of the world use std::min |
| 17:20.58 | JeffM2501 | probably a reason they are trying to get everyone over to the .net plat, then they can ditch the old windows.h |
| 17:22.20 | learner | this is interesting |
| 17:22.34 | learner | supposedly you can define NOMINMAX before including windows.h and it might work |
| 17:24.08 | learner | http://www.devx.com/tips/Tip/14540 |
| 17:24.16 | learner | ahh, but still no std::min |
| 17:24.35 | learner | good to know is suppose |
| 17:34.29 | learner | ahh, apparently there's already a bz min/max construct |
| 17:35.02 | Chestal | I was just goign to use std_min in SerevrMenu |
| 17:35.11 | Chestal | what are you up to? about to commit here |
| 17:35.12 | ToughShooter | Has anyone else noticed doubled IP-adress info? http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3882/bzfi00001hg.png |
| 17:35.55 | learner | Chestal, I was going to modify the logic so it's just min()/max() based on HAVE_STD__MIN check |
| 17:36.11 | learner | compile-testing now |
| 17:36.29 | learner | commit away if you like, I can merge or dump what I'm doing still |
| 17:36.55 | Chestal | common.h has a std_max macro to fix the windows sissue |
| 17:38.30 | learner | i know, that's what I ripped |
| 17:38.34 | learner | made it generic |
| 17:39.34 | learner | this way, nobody will need to know about std_max's existence, just use max, and if they try std::max, it should conveniently compile-error |
| 17:39.48 | Chestal | hmm |
| 17:40.28 | learner | and it'll actually use std::max |
| 17:45.35 | JeffM2501 | let me know when you want me to test it |
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| 17:49.11 | learner | will doey |
| 18:01.41 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: atupone * bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: /ban handled by ServerCommand |
| 18:02.27 | blast007 | aww..no color anymore ;) |
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| 18:21.53 | ToughShooter | Hi Ari |
| 18:22.01 | Tupone | hi beth |
| 18:23.24 | ToughShooter | How to change the texture of the ground? There's nothing in jpa's toturital and the online version of man page is broken |
| 18:23.49 | jpa_ | na na |
| 18:23.53 | jpa_ | not possible directly |
| 18:24.09 | ToughShooter | Whoa, now man page works again :o |
| 18:24.24 | Tupone | I saw map where you put an 0 high box all over the ground |
| 18:24.31 | jpa_ | best solution is a mapsize meshbox at Z-position -1.01, height 1 |
| 18:24.42 | jpa_ | with passthru and wanted material |
| 18:24.45 | blast007 | don't need a meshbox, just a face |
| 18:24.45 | ToughShooter | Nah, I know you could really change the ground texture |
| 18:25.22 | bryjen | GroundMaterial? |
| 18:25.54 | ToughShooter | There was something but I forgot it :/ |
| 18:26.24 | bryjen | you define a material named GroundMaterial |
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| 18:27.01 | ibunnyLindeijer | hi! |
| 18:27.39 | blast007 | hello :) |
| 18:28.29 | ToughShooter | ~bryjen++ |
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| 18:32.20 | Tupone | ibunnyLindeijer: ciao |
| 18:32.30 | ibunnyLindeijer | ciao bello carissimo |
| 18:32.34 | ibunnyLindeijer | tupito mio |
| 18:34.24 | Tupone | ~x de en Lindeijer |
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| 18:34.38 | Tupone | :( |
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| 19:06.31 | ToughShooter | Hmm, what should I do inside the client to ban all players except the protected ones? I tried *.*.*.* but that was automagically changed to 255.*.*.* in banlist. |
| 19:06.56 | Tupone | you should file a bug |
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| 19:10.13 | ToughShooter | When I enter *.*.*.* in the banfile and restart server it stays *.*.*.* but banlist still shows 255.*.*.* |
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| 19:10.43 | bz8462 | thers a cheater at gamesuntied |
| 19:10.51 | bz8462 | vostok |
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| 19:17.16 | TD-Linux | this usually takes at least half an hour on this 600mhz atlon |
| 19:18.24 | Aribeth | try installing gentoo on it, you would be there all week |
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| 19:32.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: atupone * bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: |
| 19:32.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: /ban /hostban /unban /hostunban /lagwarn /lagstat /idlestats /flaghistory |
| 19:32.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: /mute /unmute /playerlist /report /help use ServerCommand |
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| 19:36.36 | JeffM2501 | and god said let there be satalite television |
| 19:36.38 | JeffM2501 | and it was good |
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| 20:11.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: atupone * bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: |
| 20:11.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: /identify /register /ghost /deregister /setpass /grouplist /showgroup |
| 20:11.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: /groupperms /setgroup /removegroup use ServerCommand class |
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| 20:26.26 | a_monkey | hmmm |
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| 20:26.39 | a_monkey | there are screenshots of colored server lists on the forums |
| 20:26.56 | a_monkey | even after updating my cvs i can't get this |
| 20:27.23 | Tupone | sure you are running the new version ? |
| 20:27.34 | a_monkey | yep |
| 20:27.56 | Tupone | perhaps you must wait for anon-cvs to synchronize |
| 20:28.40 | a_monkey | 2.0.3.20050813-DEVEL |
| 20:28.45 | a_monkey | that's the one i'm using |
| 20:28.49 | a_monkey | i updated it last night |
| 20:29.57 | Tupone | changes are from today I guess |
| 20:30.12 | Tupone | dunno, TimeZone ... |
| 20:30.14 | a_monkey | the post was made yesterday with the screenie |
| 20:30.28 | Tupone | however I have the changes |
| 20:30.35 | a_monkey | yeh, prolly has to do with the fact that i live in california |
| 20:31.10 | blast007 | the post was made then, but it wasn't necessarily commit at that time |
| 20:31.39 | blast007 | think trepan added some icons now |
| 20:33.31 | blast007 | Aug 14 00:57:15 <trepan>just added colored "icons" to server entries |
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| 20:39.55 | bzflagwiz | Having a problem loading a plugin into bzfs - get the following error message: |
| 20:40.00 | bzflagwiz | Plugin:chathistory.so not found, error chathistory.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 20:40.52 | bzflagwiz | chathistory is in same directory as bzfs |
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| 20:42.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: atupone * bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: |
| 20:42.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: /reload /setgroup /removegroup /reload /poll /vote /veto /viewreports |
| 20:42.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: /clientquery use ServerCommand class |
| 20:44.08 | blast007 | bzflagwiz: is the .so in the working directory, or are you running it like ./src/bzfs/bzfs ? |
| 20:44.26 | bzflagwiz | it is in the working directory |
| 20:44.38 | blast007 | hmm... |
| 20:44.59 | blast007 | I haven't tried on linux yet, and it works on Windows |
| 20:45.48 | bzflagwiz | I can't load it using "/loadplugin /chathistory.so" either |
| 20:45.49 | brad2901 | it doesn't work for me on windows |
| 20:46.06 | brad2901 | I get plugin not found with b14 |
| 20:46.09 | blast007 | brad2901: that specific plugin? |
| 20:46.13 | bzflagwiz | btw - I am running in chroot, so path is correct |
| 20:46.23 | brad2901 | blast007: al of them |
| 20:46.25 | brad2901 | all* |
| 20:46.30 | blast007 | hmm |
| 20:48.05 | bzflagwiz | FWIW - running debian 3.1 (2.6.8-1-686) |
| 20:48.33 | blast007 | on the b14, it's finding it |
| 20:48.36 | blast007 | but "Plugin:chathistory found but expects an older API version (2), upgrade it" |
| 20:49.01 | blast007 | so it just wasn't rebuilt |
| 20:49.07 | brad2901 | do you load it from the cmd line or in the game? |
| 20:49.12 | blast007 | in game |
| 20:49.18 | blast007 | but it doesn't matter |
| 20:50.07 | blast007 | bzflagwiz: try doing: /loadplugin chathistory |
| 20:50.16 | blast007 | don't think you need the .so |
| 20:51.11 | bzflagwiz | nope - still doesn't work |
| 20:51.41 | bzflagwiz | and I get same error message in logfile |
| 20:52.59 | bzflagwiz | is it possible its not the chathistory.so file that it can't find, but one of the libraries it relies on? |
| 20:59.25 | blast007 | don't know |
| 21:00.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: atupone * bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: /date & /time use ServerCommand class |
| 21:14.30 | *** join/#bzflag SiriusB (n=SiriusB@35.Red-81-33-243.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 21:14.59 | a_monkey | i see the colored server list now |
| 21:15.01 | a_monkey | sheesh |
| 21:15.05 | a_monkey | shades of red? |
| 21:15.18 | a_monkey | it's impossible to tell 3-shot servers from 4 |
| 21:15.22 | a_monkey | or 6 from 7 |
| 21:16.21 | a_monkey | we need a few different colors, green for 0-3, yellow for 4-7, red for >= 8 |
| 21:16.26 | a_monkey | or something like that |
| 21:17.36 | blast007 | it's not all based on shot count |
| 21:17.46 | a_monkey | oh |
| 21:17.50 | a_monkey | it isn't? |
| 21:17.50 | blast007 | it also adds a certain color for CTF |
| 21:17.58 | blast007 | and something else...maybe jumping |
| 21:18.19 | a_monkey | i have only shades of red for the whole server list. |
| 21:29.52 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: atupone * bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: /record /replay /say /masterban using ServerCommand class |
| 21:35.21 | TD-Linux | I need help with plugins |
| 21:35.46 | meacan | What kind of help? |
| 21:35.53 | TD-Linux | Learning C++ |
| 21:35.57 | TD-Linux | I know C |
| 21:35.58 | blast007 | ... |
| 21:36.06 | TD-Linux | :P |
| 21:36.07 | blast007 | look at the example plugins |
| 21:36.08 | DTRemenak | write your plugin in C then |
| 21:36.09 | TD-Linux | I can kind of get it |
| 21:36.18 | TD-Linux | I don't know anything about classes |
| 21:36.20 | TD-Linux | or pointers |
| 21:36.24 | DTRemenak | you don't need to |
| 21:36.32 | DTRemenak | pointers? you know C but not pointers? |
| 21:36.35 | TD-Linux | strange, a lot of the examples used them |
| 21:36.40 | TD-Linux | nope |
| 21:36.47 | TD-Linux | I learned C when I was in 3rd grade |
| 21:36.57 | TD-Linux | I wrote a Rock Paper Sissors game |
| 21:36.59 | TD-Linux | for DOS |
| 21:37.08 | *** join/#bzflag javaJake (n=Jacob@c-24-61-65-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 21:37.11 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, plugins do a little bit with callback classes |
| 21:37.19 | javaJake | Testing IRC.... 1... 2... 3... |
| 21:37.21 | JeffM2501 | so you have to make at least 1 |
| 21:37.28 | blast007 | javaJake: test failed |
| 21:37.30 | javaJake | I am using Gaim's IRC chat mode, and it WORKS! |
| 21:37.30 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, why? |
| 21:37.33 | javaJake | :D |
| 21:37.57 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, because if you don't install at least 1 event, or custom command, you'll never be called again |
| 21:38.09 | TD-Linux | I'm using ShockwaveDeath as my learning guide, along with that wonderful documentation |
| 21:38.12 | javaJake | I went through a whole hour installing the latest version, and the end results are satisfying. :) |
| 21:38.20 | DTRemenak | seems to me it would be advantageous to have a strictly C interface layer |
| 21:38.30 | DTRemenak | callbacks can be done with function pointers |
| 21:38.35 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, a wraper could be made sure |
| 21:38.35 | TD-Linux | The C++ seems easy to learn |
| 21:38.41 | javaJake | What are you talking about? |
| 21:38.45 | JeffM2501 | the class just made it cleaner |
| 21:38.46 | TD-Linux | plugins |
| 21:38.51 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, its minimal C++ |
| 21:38.54 | JeffM2501 | I can help you if you need |
| 21:39.01 | JeffM2501 | once you get your events in, then you are jsut doing C anyway |
| 21:39.07 | TD-Linux | I can see that, it's just that I don't know about really anything |
| 21:39.11 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, I mean as a matter of practice. most wrappers into other languages like having plain C to interface with |
| 21:39.15 | TD-Linux | mainly, here are my confusion points: |
| 21:39.21 | TD-Linux | wait.. |
| 21:39.25 | DTRemenak | but whatever :) |
| 21:40.15 | TD-Linux | oh, I remember what I mailnly came here for |
| 21:40.16 | TD-Linux | this: |
| 21:40.39 | TD-Linux | BZF_PLUGIN_CALL int bz_Load ( const char* commandLine ) |
| 21:40.47 | javaJake | ibot |
| 21:40.51 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, as you are wont to say, why do we have to be like everyone else :) |
| 21:40.55 | TD-Linux | how do you specify commandLine in the bzfs command line? |
| 21:41.00 | javaJake | hmmm... |
| 21:41.03 | javaJake | hi ibot |
| 21:41.03 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, ? |
| 21:41.07 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, true enough :) |
| 21:41.16 | TD-Linux | where does commandLine come from? |
| 21:41.17 | TD-Linux | BZF_PLUGIN_CALL int bz_Load ( const char* commandLine ) |
| 21:41.28 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, plugins are loaded after |
| 21:41.28 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:41.29 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 21:41.37 | JeffM2501 | when you do -loadpluing |
| 21:41.49 | JeffM2501 | it's -loadplugin yourplugin,yourcommandline |
| 21:41.55 | TD-Linux | oooooooohhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:41.57 | JeffM2501 | then yourcommandline is sent to the plugin |
| 21:42.01 | JeffM2501 | incase you have opions |
| 21:42.06 | JeffM2501 | or a config or something |
| 21:42.08 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 21:42.18 | JeffM2501 | but you can also get and set bzdb vars if you want to as well |
| 21:42.27 | JeffM2501 | so you could use the vars file for options too |
| 21:42.47 | TD-Linux | I saw that in one of the other examples... |
| 21:42.50 | TD-Linux | wait, no it's here |
| 21:42.52 | TD-Linux | bz_fireWorldWep("SW",(float)bz_getBZDBDouble("_reloadTime"),playerToUse,dieData->pos,0,0,0,0.0f); |
| 21:43.04 | TD-Linux | it gets _reloadTime |
| 21:43.05 | JeffM2501 | that is a function |
| 21:43.12 | JeffM2501 | yeah that gets the reload time |
| 21:43.16 | JeffM2501 | you can set stuff too |
| 21:43.21 | JeffM2501 | if you need it later |
| 21:43.25 | TD-Linux | let me guess |
| 21:43.30 | TD-Linux | bz_setBZDBDouble |
| 21:43.34 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 21:43.49 | TD-Linux | what are all those zeros for? |
| 21:43.51 | JeffM2501 | most of the functions are normal C like interfcases |
| 21:44.01 | JeffM2501 | the angle, tilt, delay and all that |
| 21:44.16 | JeffM2501 | take a look at the header it shows all params |
| 21:44.16 | TD-Linux | ok, and one other thing about ww... |
| 21:44.19 | TD-Linux | let me get it... |
| 21:44.23 | JeffM2501 | and have you seen the docs? |
| 21:44.26 | TD-Linux | yes, |
| 21:44.33 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:44.34 | TD-Linux | I have a question about one thing |
| 21:44.44 | DTRemenak | yay documentation |
| 21:45.02 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure the docs could use a cleanlyness pass :) |
| 21:45.12 | TD-Linux | BZF_API bool bz_fireWorldWep ( bzApiString flagType, float lifetime, int fromPlayer, float *pos, float tilt, float direction, int shotID , float dt ) |
| 21:45.15 | TD-Linux | what is dt? |
| 21:45.23 | DTRemenak | probably could, but at the moment I'm too darn lazy :) |
| 21:45.25 | JeffM2501 | let me remember |
| 21:45.29 | DTRemenak | delta time |
| 21:45.39 | TD-Linux | it is specified as 0.0f in the shockwaveDeath thingy |
| 21:45.45 | TD-Linux | can it always be 0.0f? |
| 21:46.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah I think it can be |
| 21:46.19 | TD-Linux | what is shotID? |
| 21:46.27 | TD-Linux | that's 0 too |
| 21:46.30 | DTRemenak | dunno what you'd need a dt for in firing a weapon though |
| 21:46.31 | JeffM2501 | it's used for the shot number |
| 21:46.42 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it should default to a valid value |
| 21:46.45 | TD-Linux | ok, so I would have to change that for every shot I shoot? |
| 21:46.53 | DTRemenak | to me that's a trigger not a continuous function |
| 21:46.54 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, yeah if you pass in 0 it will auto calc a shot ID |
| 21:47.09 | TD-Linux | ok, good - I got scared there |
| 21:47.10 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it's a param in the internal fucniton, so I exposed it |
| 21:47.19 | DTRemenak | hm |
| 21:47.21 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, I tried to make things have sane defaults |
| 21:47.31 | TD-Linux | Could I modify an existing shot by choosing a in-use shotID? |
| 21:47.33 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, we may never need to expose it tho |
| 21:47.40 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, that would be "bad" |
| 21:47.53 | TD-Linux | fun though, imagine... |
| 21:47.57 | JeffM2501 | the client would not know what to do wiht a "new" shot for an existin ID |
| 21:48.02 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 21:48.12 | TD-Linux | I thought I could redirect a shot :( |
| 21:48.18 | JeffM2501 | remember the server knows very little |
| 21:48.22 | JeffM2501 | the clients do most of the work |
| 21:48.31 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 21:48.43 | DTRemenak | patches welcome to move shot handling server-side though :) |
| 21:48.57 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:49.02 | TD-Linux | you would need a powerful server though |
| 21:49.06 | TD-Linux | to calculate normals |
| 21:49.06 | JeffM2501 | it's one of the big things we'd like to do |
| 21:49.10 | TD-Linux | I mean physics |
| 21:49.11 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, not really |
| 21:49.18 | JeffM2501 | a client spends most of its' time drawing |
| 21:49.28 | TD-Linux | well, I couldn't use my 600mhz athlon box I am using right now |
| 21:49.34 | JeffM2501 | why not? |
| 21:49.36 | TD-Linux | it took me an hour to compile from CVS |
| 21:49.44 | TD-Linux | it's not very speedy |
| 21:49.47 | JeffM2501 | compiling is CPU intensive |
| 21:49.53 | JeffM2501 | shot calcs are not much |
| 21:49.53 | DTRemenak | second compile is way faster |
| 21:49.54 | TD-Linux | I don't think it could handle lots of physics |
| 21:50.01 | DTRemenak | it only compiles stuff that changes |
| 21:50.05 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 21:50.09 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, people run bz on low end pentiums |
| 21:50.20 | JeffM2501 | the graphics are 99% of the time |
| 21:50.21 | DTRemenak | first time through or "make clean && make" will take forever |
| 21:50.34 | TD-Linux | This is my box that runs BZflag 15fps at 320x240 |
| 21:50.41 | JeffM2501 | take the graphics out, and bzfs will probaly only use a couple % more then it does now |
| 21:50.47 | DTRemenak | yay for lousy graphics |
| 21:51.00 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 21:51.01 | blast007 | TD-Linux: my P133 can get 4-9FPS at that res ;) |
| 21:51.06 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, comment out the text drawing stuff, and watch how fast it gets :) |
| 21:51.46 | TD-Linux | hmm, maybe commenting out the graphics drawing routines woudl work too? |
| 21:51.49 | JeffM2501 | the current bzflaag client is targeted at someone wiht some 3d hardware. so it dosn't run very well on low end systems |
| 21:51.56 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 21:51.57 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, best of luck on that :) |
| 21:52.09 | JeffM2501 | the collisoins are such a small part |
| 21:52.23 | TD-Linux | could it be a simple copy-paste? |
| 21:52.27 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 21:52.28 | TD-Linux | with some comm code? |
| 21:52.37 | JeffM2501 | there would be comon code yes |
| 21:52.44 | JeffM2501 | but what used it would hav to change |
| 21:52.45 | TD-Linux | or do they handle maps completely differently? |
| 21:52.52 | TD-Linux | would you have to load the whole map |
| 21:52.56 | TD-Linux | into a buffer |
| 21:52.58 | JeffM2501 | and the client would have to know to trust the server more |
| 21:53.04 | blast007 | the server already has the map |
| 21:53.07 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, the server is the only thing that has a map parser |
| 21:53.23 | *** part/#bzflag javaJake (n=Jacob@c-24-61-65-121.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 21:53.31 | TD-Linux | does the server parse the map into a polygon list? |
| 21:53.40 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, it's not a hard task due to techincal reasons, just in the scope of design an implemenation |
| 21:53.43 | JeffM2501 | it hits a lot of places |
| 21:53.52 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 21:53.56 | DTRemenak | yeah, it's a very big project, mostly tedious |
| 21:54.03 | JeffM2501 | it is not something to be done hasatly |
| 21:54.12 | JeffM2501 | since you are basicly changing most of the underlying guts |
| 21:54.14 | TD-Linux | instead of doing that |
| 21:54.20 | TD-Linux | I would rather have your dev time spent |
| 21:54.24 | TD-Linux | making moving objects |
| 21:54.27 | DTRemenak | hasatly? I've got no idea what that word was even supposed to be :) |
| 21:54.33 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, has the same problem |
| 21:54.40 | JeffM2501 | server would have to controll and sync the world |
| 21:54.53 | TD-Linux | I forgot about sync :( |
| 21:55.10 | blast007 | DTRemenak: 'hastily' maybe :) |
| 21:55.16 | TD-Linux | Well, it would of course require a client mod |
| 21:55.20 | DTRemenak | ahh, good call blast007 :) |
| 21:55.26 | JeffM2501 | and a totaly new protocoll |
| 21:55.26 | TD-Linux | but client mods aren't bad, are they? |
| 21:55.33 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 21:55.36 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, they are, if they are not compatable |
| 21:55.40 | TD-Linux | ohhh |
| 21:55.42 | JeffM2501 | you could not mix old and new on the same server |
| 21:55.43 | TD-Linux | I remembert |
| 21:55.44 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, not "bad" |
| 21:55.48 | DTRemenak | just "breaking" |
| 21:55.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:55.54 | JeffM2501 | they break |
| 21:55.56 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 21:56.01 | JeffM2501 | if they break stuff, we can't let them mix |
| 21:56.07 | TD-Linux | I first started out with 1.x |
| 21:56.07 | JeffM2501 | so we have to put them in new versions |
| 21:56.21 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, and you see how you can't play 1.x with 2.0? |
| 21:56.22 | DTRemenak | I mean, in 1.11 we broke protocol what, 38 times? |
| 21:56.37 | JeffM2501 | how would a 1.7g2 client know how to deal with wings? |
| 21:56.41 | TD-Linux | yes, I spent a lot of time getting bzfs to work |
| 21:56.42 | DTRemenak | just have to use a development branch |
| 21:56.44 | TD-Linux | then I tried it out... |
| 21:56.56 | TD-Linux | with another computer i had downloaded bzflag onto.. |
| 21:57.08 | TD-Linux | and 'Incompatable server' showed up! |
| 21:57.09 | TD-Linux | WAAAAAAAAAA |
| 21:57.34 | TD-Linux | Took me a bit to figure out why |
| 21:57.46 | TD-Linux | did you know that a lot of people still use 1.x? |
| 21:57.52 | DTRemenak | ~bzflist |
| 21:58.03 | DTRemenak | 29 right now |
| 21:58.06 | DTRemenak | not all that many |
| 21:58.21 | TD-Linux | they did when I used it |
| 21:58.25 | JeffM2501 | the luddite crowd |
| 21:58.34 | DTRemenak | yeah, it's tapered off kinda slowly |
| 21:58.42 | DTRemenak | three main groups |
| 21:58.51 | DTRemenak | those who don't know or don't care that a new version is out |
| 21:59.08 | DTRemenak | those who don't like the new version because it's too slow or has "nasty features" like wings |
| 21:59.32 | DTRemenak | and those who's computers can't handle the new features |
| 21:59.37 | DTRemenak | whose |
| 21:59.45 | TD-Linux | the first is most common |
| 21:59.55 | DTRemenak | and the most likely to disappear over time |
| 21:59.55 | TD-Linux | in fact, one time at Metropolis |
| 22:00.04 | TD-Linux | I found someone with 2.0.0 |
| 22:00.14 | TD-Linux | I told them that 2.0.2 was out and they should upgrade |
| 22:00.15 | DTRemenak | plenty of people still run 2.0.0 |
| 22:00.25 | TD-Linux | and they proceeded to tell me to @#$@#$ and they left |
| 22:00.37 | DTRemenak | there really should be a 2.0.0 motd that says 2.0.2 is out |
| 22:00.39 | TD-Linux | apparently people hate upgrading |
| 22:00.49 | TD-Linux | when will the Message of the Day change? |
| 22:00.57 | DTRemenak | it should change every release |
| 22:01.06 | TD-Linux | I think it should change every day |
| 22:01.07 | blast007 | most people don't read it though ;) |
| 22:01.08 | DTRemenak | but those who have access to change it have not been changing it |
| 22:01.12 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 22:01.18 | DTRemenak | people would read it if it said something useful |
| 22:01.21 | TD-Linux | it should change every day |
| 22:01.34 | TD-Linux | or be renamed to 'Message of a Lifetime' |
| 22:01.49 | DTRemenak | hey, I didn't name it :) |
| 22:02.08 | learner | DTRemenak, shouldn't it uh.. change every day ? =) |
| 22:02.40 | JeffM2501 | MMORPG style :) |
| 22:02.49 | DTRemenak | windows users would take it fine |
| 22:02.50 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:02.55 | DTRemenak | everyone else would go nuts |
| 22:02.55 | TD-Linux | what would the message of the day be? |
| 22:03.02 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 22:03.06 | TD-Linux | a new message every day |
| 22:03.09 | TD-Linux | that could be hard |
| 22:03.15 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, ? |
| 22:03.28 | TD-Linux | if we updated it every day, what would we say? |
| 22:03.37 | TD-Linux | maybe that's why it never gets updated |
| 22:03.39 | learner | "don't get shot" |
| 22:03.40 | blast007 | we wouldn't update it every day... |
| 22:03.43 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:03.48 | TD-Linux | nobody can think of anything better to say |
| 22:03.57 | blast007 | a PHP script that puts out random fortunes |
| 22:04.01 | learner | "don't jump" :) |
| 22:04.01 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, the game would include an auto updateer |
| 22:04.04 | Aribeth | dont argue with the admins |
| 22:04.11 | JeffM2501 | that would just update any files to new versions as they came out |
| 22:04.14 | blast007 | "watch for falling rocks" |
| 22:04.15 | TD-Linux | oohhh |
| 22:04.16 | learner | blast007, that's not a bad idea |
| 22:04.17 | JeffM2501 | you don't play many other games do you? |
| 22:04.17 | TD-Linux | that would be cool |
| 22:04.27 | Aribeth | watch out for that tree |
| 22:04.39 | learner | make a simple little database that lets anonymous submissions that could be approved and added to the random database |
| 22:04.43 | TD-Linux | I agree, BZFlag attitude would turn into MMORPG style |
| 22:04.45 | learner | a new message selected every day |
| 22:04.46 | TD-Linux | but I like the idea |
| 22:04.56 | DTRemenak | ~learner++ |
| 22:04.57 | TD-Linux | I got an idea: BZFlag Webring! |
| 22:05.03 | DTRemenak | there is one ;) |
| 22:05.06 | blast007 | the client should store the last MOTD, and if it changes, it should show it in a window (that the user has to dismiss manually) |
| 22:05.11 | Aribeth | ~learner++ |
| 22:05.23 | JeffM2501 | well with global reg, and he need for "aliases" for players, it could be expressed as a mmorpg type of managed client |
| 22:05.28 | TD-Linux | what does ~learner++ do? |
| 22:05.31 | JeffM2501 | asuming we ever had the balls to go non lan |
| 22:05.48 | DTRemenak | it increments learner's karma |
| 22:05.49 | JeffM2501 | well, at least allow lan, but require some net connection |
| 22:05.51 | blast007 | JeffM2501: for aliases, the phpBB board would be a pain |
| 22:05.52 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 22:05.55 | Aribeth | it gives learner a karma point |
| 22:05.59 | learner | TD-Linux, it increases the likelihood that learner will actually do something about it |
| 22:06.00 | DTRemenak | ~karma learner |
| 22:06.00 | ibot | learner has karma of 78 |
| 22:06.03 | JeffM2501 | blast007, I know it would |
| 22:06.15 | TD-Linux | ~karma TD-Linux |
| 22:06.15 | ibot | td-linux has karma of -1 |
| 22:06.18 | TD-Linux | oweeee |
| 22:06.19 | learner | heh |
| 22:06.21 | JeffM2501 | blast007, It could be not bad, if we added a new recordset of "callsigns" to the user recrod |
| 22:06.29 | TD-Linux | my karma is -1 |
| 22:06.31 | DTRemenak | ~TD-Linux++ |
| 22:06.32 | TD-Linux | how is that possible? |
| 22:06.35 | blast007 | I actually had the start of a new database design for a global registration system |
| 22:06.39 | DTRemenak | ~karma TD-Linux |
| 22:06.39 | ibot | td-linux has neutral karma |
| 22:06.48 | Aribeth | ~TD-Linux++ |
| 22:06.57 | TD-Linux | I'm now more likely to get something done than not! |
| 22:06.59 | learner | TD-Linux: magic hamsters |
| 22:07.01 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 22:07.04 | blast007 | in Tibia (a MMORPG), you get a drop-down list of your names on the forum |
| 22:07.07 | learner | it's all about the hamsters |
| 22:07.16 | TD-Linux | you are confusing me |
| 22:07.22 | TD-Linux | do it more! :P |
| 22:07.41 | TD-Linux | how do you do font colors in IRC? |
| 22:07.46 | learner | you don't |
| 22:07.46 | TD-Linux | or Bold? |
| 22:07.53 | learner | at least not here |
| 22:07.53 | TD-Linux | some other people d |
| 22:07.54 | DTRemenak | you don't |
| 22:07.58 | DTRemenak | not here anyway |
| 22:08.02 | TD-Linux | at #masterbot you can |
| 22:08.03 | TD-Linux | I think |
| 22:08.06 | DTRemenak | dang, learner types faster than I do :) |
| 22:08.13 | TD-Linux | I like to bold source code points |
| 22:08.15 | blast007 | DTRemenak: yeah, he beat me too ;) |
| 22:08.31 | TD-Linux | how do you do it at an enabled channel? |
| 22:08.46 | TD-Linux | is it possible? |
| 22:08.53 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 22:08.57 | TD-Linux | how? |
| 22:09.00 | blast007 | it requires magic level 5 |
| 22:09.01 | TD-Linux | I use X-Chat |
| 22:09.07 | TD-Linux | magic level 5? |
| 22:09.16 | DTRemenak | and charisma of at least 9 |
| 22:09.22 | blast007 | oh yeah, that too |
| 22:09.32 | blast007 | and the "Wand Of Color" |
| 22:09.43 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, you can't do colors no mater how hard you try |
| 22:09.57 | TD-Linux | waaa! but somebody at #masterbot did |
| 22:10.01 | TD-Linux | they made rainbow text |
| 22:10.07 | JeffM2501 | screws CIA but it's a small price to pay |
| 22:10.07 | TD-Linux | someone else did purple text |
| 22:10.13 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, unfortunately it screws with CIA |
| 22:10.15 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, do what ever you want in other channels :) |
| 22:10.17 | DTRemenak | dang, you type too fast too |
| 22:10.26 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, are we like secretly releated? |
| 22:10.37 | DTRemenak | just spend too much time in here I think |
| 22:11.05 | TD-Linux | what do you mean, too much time? |
| 22:11.12 | JeffM2501 | learner, did you get a plugin to build on the mac? |
| 22:11.19 | TD-Linux | is it possilbe that there are more important things to do that bzflag? |
| 22:11.24 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, you know all those times you arn't here? |
| 22:11.32 | DTRemenak | we are :) |
| 22:11.37 | JeffM2501 | having paryts |
| 22:11.48 | TD-Linux | so I guess I'm a party crasher? :) |
| 22:12.04 | JeffM2501 | no we saw you coming, and put the keg away |
| 22:12.10 | TD-Linux | good |
| 22:12.15 | TD-Linux | I'm too young |
| 22:12.23 | JeffM2501 | really? |
| 22:12.25 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 22:12.25 | JeffM2501 | I coudln't tell |
| 22:12.27 | DTRemenak | so am I but I don't let it stop me ;) |
| 22:12.28 | blast007 | lol |
| 22:12.35 | TD-Linux | I could tell you my age... |
| 22:12.44 | TD-Linux | but last time I did it, they fell over and died |
| 22:12.49 | JeffM2501 | it will involve the word "teen" |
| 22:12.50 | wegstar_away | :) |
| 22:12.51 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, take a guess |
| 22:12.51 | TD-Linux | yes |
| 22:12.54 | JeffM2501 | 14 |
| 22:12.55 | wegstar_away | 13 |
| 22:13.00 | TD-Linux | wegstar gets it! |
| 22:13.01 | DTRemenak | I wanna see if your skills are still sharp |
| 22:13.04 | wegstar_away | :D |
| 22:13.08 | TD-Linux | ~wegstar++ |
| 22:13.09 | DTRemenak | close, close |
| 22:13.14 | JeffM2501 | when does he change over? |
| 22:13.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah it was the "WAAAAAAA" that did it |
| 22:13.40 | JeffM2501 | noone talks like that |
| 22:13.47 | TD-Linux | :P |
| 22:13.52 | JeffM2501 | and that stuff |
| 22:13.53 | TD-Linux | that's just for effect |
| 22:13.58 | DTRemenak | TD-Linux, when's your birthday? :) |
| 22:14.09 | TD-Linux | I'm not supposed to tell that to strangers ;) |
| 22:14.16 | JeffM2501 | just the month |
| 22:14.21 | TD-Linux | hmmmmm |
| 22:14.21 | JeffM2501 | soon or far way? |
| 22:14.27 | TD-Linux | half-far |
| 22:14.28 | JeffM2501 | are you closer to 14 or 13? |
| 22:14.31 | TD-Linux | hmmm |
| 22:14.36 | TD-Linux | 14 |
| 22:14.59 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, he didn't say D00d, so he's breaking out of the 12-13 range |
| 22:15.03 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 22:15.05 | TD-Linux | are you going to quiz me until I say December? :) |
| 22:15.11 | blast007 | and no !!!!11 |
| 22:15.16 | wegstar_away | :) |
| 22:15.22 | JeffM2501 | he'll hold the irevernce and feelings that he's funny till about 15 |
| 22:15.32 | JeffM2501 | then he'll think he knows ALL things in the universe |
| 22:15.38 | TD-Linux | ahhh |
| 22:15.40 | JeffM2501 | and that we are just keeping him down |
| 22:15.40 | DTRemenak | couple months then |
| 22:15.46 | JeffM2501 | then he'll go to colldge |
| 22:15.47 | learner | d00d, no way! |
| 22:15.51 | TD-Linux | that is until I look at the rogueGeno plugin |
| 22:15.52 | JeffM2501 | and theworld will beat him down |
| 22:16.28 | TD-Linux | hmmm... |
| 22:16.48 | TD-Linux | What am I classified as if I shout 'Kablooie!' when I kill a tank in a dueling chamber? |
| 22:16.50 | DTRemenak | hm, that was not the impression I had when I was 16 :) I found y'all to be an invaluable assistance. |
| 22:17.04 | JeffM2501 | but not before you proclaim that you will not be like the other of your age.. you will be difrent. you will make something for ouself and be great |
| 22:17.15 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you are a mutant freak |
| 22:17.16 | JeffM2501 | ;) |
| 22:17.25 | TD-Linux | he is reasonable |
| 22:17.27 | DTRemenak | whoa, best complement I've gotten in a while :) |
| 22:17.35 | JeffM2501 | he is also jedi |
| 22:17.37 | learner | DTRemenak, 16? wow, thanks for making even me feel old :) |
| 22:17.46 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 22:18.00 | TD-Linux | :P |
| 22:18.02 | DTRemenak | might not have found the irc channel 'till I was 17 |
| 22:18.11 | JeffM2501 | so what? last year? |
| 22:18.17 | learner | heh |
| 22:18.21 | DTRemenak | two years ago ;) |
| 22:18.42 | JeffM2501 | yeah your just rippin thru them |
| 22:18.47 | JeffM2501 | I remember when capy was 16 |
| 22:18.51 | TD-Linux | What compiler do you use in Linux to compile plugins? |
| 22:18.54 | TD-Linux | I assume GCC? |
| 22:18.56 | JeffM2501 | and when learner joined the fray |
| 22:19.05 | learner | JeffM2501, yes, compiled one, but didn't try to load/run it |
| 22:19.18 | JeffM2501 | hmmm |
| 22:19.26 | JeffM2501 | did you have to change the makefiles? |
| 22:19.44 | TD-Linux | who? me? |
| 22:20.15 | JeffM2501 | I rmeember mine too |
| 22:20.22 | DTRemenak | me too me too |
| 22:20.26 | JeffM2501 | how noone liked my editor :( |
| 22:20.30 | TD-Linux | I thought you always were :) |
| 22:20.36 | TD-Linux | your editor? |
| 22:20.42 | JeffM2501 | and before that on the mailing lists |
| 22:20.44 | DTRemenak | that was what, a decade ago? :) |
| 22:20.50 | TD-Linux | what editor? |
| 22:20.51 | learner | you were chatting about the animatrix I believe, captain_proton and scanline doing matrix-style flips and falling down or somesuch :) |
| 22:21.02 | JeffM2501 | maybe 2000 for bzedit |
| 22:21.11 | JeffM2501 | maybe |
| 22:21.19 | JeffM2501 | it's probably in a log somewhere |
| 22:21.24 | JeffM2501 | probably even the mailing list logs |
| 22:21.26 | learner | very productive ;) course intermixed with code chatter too like usual |
| 22:21.29 | JeffM2501 | that's where I put it first |
| 22:21.44 | JeffM2501 | now they won't shut up about it. I guess it was before it's time :) |
| 22:21.51 | TD-Linux | hmmm |
| 22:22.05 | TD-Linux | hmmm |
| 22:22.36 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, spend a little time and learn more about C |
| 22:22.41 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 22:22.50 | TD-Linux | I have big books on it, but they are too old |
| 22:22.58 | TD-Linux | I'll have to go off the Internet |
| 22:23.02 | DTRemenak | they work anyway |
| 22:23.02 | JeffM2501 | C and C++ dont' really change man |
| 22:23.05 | DTRemenak | c has not changed much |
| 22:23.23 | TD-Linux | hmmm.... they are for Borland C++ for DOS 6.0 |
| 22:23.29 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 22:23.30 | BearPerson | there's C99, but nobody uses it much yet |
| 22:23.33 | DTRemenak | I wrote my first patches for bzflag relying heavily on the Borland TurboC++ 3.1 manuals :) |
| 22:23.37 | JeffM2501 | they still do classes and pointers |
| 22:23.49 | TD-Linux | ooooooohhhh I have Borland TurboC__! |
| 22:23.53 | JeffM2501 | my first C book was "learn C on the macintosh" |
| 22:23.59 | DTRemenak | and those are like 20 years old |
| 22:24.15 | JeffM2501 | had to use the codewerks temrinal thingy to do the tutorials |
| 22:24.16 | TD-Linux | hmmm... I'll go through my stack of books and you tell me if it's any good? |
| 22:24.19 | TD-Linux | how about this one: |
| 22:24.29 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, we are not your teachers |
| 22:24.35 | JeffM2501 | take some initaitve |
| 22:24.39 | TD-Linux | Object-Oriented Programming with Turbo C++ in 21 Days |
| 22:24.47 | TD-Linux | that looks good |
| 22:24.48 | DTRemenak | ~8ball |
| 22:24.48 | ibot | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Very doubtful |
| 22:25.05 | JeffM2501 | TheLastSpartan, roll 1d20 |
| 22:25.06 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: Buy me dinner first. |
| 22:25.12 | JeffM2501 | TheLastSpartan, dice 1d20 |
| 22:25.23 | TD-Linux | how about the manual that came with Borland Turbo C++? |
| 22:25.33 | JeffM2501 | TheLastSpartan, dice 1d20 |
| 22:25.33 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: 14 |
| 22:25.36 | JeffM2501 | there we go |
| 22:25.38 | TD-Linux | ~8ball |
| 22:25.38 | ibot | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: My sources say no |
| 22:25.41 | JeffM2501 | TheLastSpartan, dice 1d20+4 |
| 22:25.41 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: 8 |
| 22:25.44 | TD-Linux | not that one, either? |
| 22:25.48 | TD-Linux | :( |
| 22:26.00 | a_monkey | hey, trepan, you around? |
| 22:26.21 | TD-Linux | how about reading the barcodes off the insides of the 5 diskettes that hold Turbo C++? |
| 22:26.26 | TD-Linux | ~8ball |
| 22:26.26 | ibot | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Concentrate and ask again |
| 22:26.26 | blast007 | gah...I remember running Borland Turbo C++ on Windows 2000...it compiled stuff for Windows 3.1 :P |
| 22:26.36 | TD-Linux | ~8ball |
| 22:26.36 | ibot | ACTION rolls the eight ball and gets: Yes - definitely |
| 22:26.39 | TD-Linux | YES! |
| 22:26.47 | JeffM2501 | enough of the 8 ball kiddo |
| 22:27.01 | TD-Linux | now I have to take apart the diskettes and read the barcodes - they will definitly help me learn C++ |
| 22:27.15 | TD-Linux | according to the 8ball |
| 22:27.37 | TD-Linux | of course... then I ruin them... there HAS to be a better way |
| 22:27.49 | TD-Linux | that object-oriented in 21 days looks good.... |
| 22:27.53 | blast007 | TD-Linux: just learn the language |
| 22:28.01 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 22:28.13 | DTRemenak | whoa, "file size limit exceeded" - JeffM2501 talks too much ;) |
| 22:28.31 | blast007 | a lot of the stuff I did in Borland also worked in Visual C++ 6 |
| 22:28.34 | TD-Linux | hey: this stuff DOES look just like the plugin code! |
| 22:28.38 | blast007 | just not the crappy OWL stuff |
| 22:28.42 | TD-Linux | I guess C++ dosen't change much |
| 22:28.42 | DTRemenak | eeeeew |
| 22:28.51 | DTRemenak | no, no it doesn't |
| 22:29.25 | JeffM2501 | b00y4! |
| 22:29.50 | TD-Linux | 30 seconds of this book are already making the plugins make more sense! |
| 22:29.59 | TD-Linux | Maybe they should sell this book again |
| 22:30.25 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, first instance of "JeffM" or "Patlabor" I can find in the logs is 2002/01/02 |
| 22:31.34 | TD-Linux | what happens when I click the Compile button on the xemacs text editor? |
| 22:31.34 | DTRemenak | doesn't look like much has changed either... "<JeffM2501> I just hope it works" |
| 22:31.48 | orchid | haha |
| 22:32.05 | Pimpi | nuclear impct |
| 22:32.15 | DTRemenak | TD-Linux, give you three guesses! |
| 22:32.21 | Pimpi | well, at least possibly |
| 22:32.38 | TD-Linux | I clicked it |
| 22:32.45 | TD-Linux | It actually compiled successfully |
| 22:32.47 | TD-Linux | ! |
| 22:32.52 | Pimpi | (not that it was related to using that button) |
| 22:32.55 | TD-Linux | of course, it should |
| 22:32.58 | DTRemenak | well, I guess that tells you what the button does, eh? |
| 22:33.02 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 22:33.09 | TD-Linux | I didn't use the project file, it seems |
| 22:33.20 | Pimpi | no nuclear impact? lucky dude... ;) |
| 22:33.35 | DTRemenak | nuclear impact might have been somewhere in russia :) |
| 22:33.48 | TD-Linux | hmmm... I think I hear a faint rumble... |
| 22:33.54 | TD-Linux | oh no, it' |
| 22:34.03 | TD-Linux | it's coming closer! |
| 22:34.17 | TD-Linux | It makes a screetchy noise! |
| 22:34.32 | DTRemenak | somehow I doubt you'd hear it in Minnesota :) |
| 22:34.36 | TD-Linux | it's a big shiny metal object! |
| 22:34.49 | TD-Linux | it's a car driving down our streeet! |
| 22:35.09 | TD-Linux | how did you know where I lived? |
| 22:35.14 | TD-Linux | did I tell you? |
| 22:35.17 | DTRemenak | Rochester, MN right? :) |
| 22:35.20 | TD-Linux | :) |
| 22:35.32 | DTRemenak | no, you did not tell me |
| 22:35.37 | TD-Linux | how did you figure that out? Oh, I know, it's my hostname |
| 22:35.46 | TD-Linux | charter.roc.mn or something like that |
| 22:35.54 | TD-Linux | right? |
| 22:36.03 | blast007 | IP to City |
| 22:36.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: atupone * bzflag/src/bzfs/ (ServerCommand.cxx ServerCommand.h commands.cxx): Handling command list help "/? or /a?" |
| 22:36.12 | blast007 | not hard ;) |
| 22:36.21 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 22:36.32 | TD-Linux | where did DTRemenak get my IP? |
| 22:36.36 | TD-Linux | hmmm |
| 22:36.40 | blast007 | from your hostname :P |
| 22:36.50 | TD-Linux | now, where did he get that? |
| 22:36.52 | TD-Linux | Spy! |
| 22:36.54 | TD-Linux | :P |
| 22:36.56 | DTRemenak | dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com gives it away anyway :) |
| 22:37.05 | blast007 | yeah |
| 22:37.06 | orchid | ~tupone++ |
| 22:37.09 | TD-Linux | how did you find that so quick? |
| 22:37.16 | Tupone | :) |
| 22:37.44 | TD-Linux | how did you find the hostname so quick? |
| 22:37.47 | DTRemenak | because I'm special :) |
| 22:37.49 | TD-Linux | does IRC tell you? |
| 22:37.53 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 22:37.55 | TD-Linux | when you have voice? |
| 22:37.57 | TD-Linux | how? |
| 22:38.02 | DTRemenak | TD-Linux <n=TD-Linux@24-159-197-101.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com> TD-Linux |
| 22:38.07 | DTRemenak | no voice necessary |
| 22:38.17 | TD-Linux | how did you do it? |
| 22:38.28 | TD-Linux | I know it does it when you sign in and out |
| 22:38.36 | TD-Linux | but how do you get it on demand? |
| 22:38.45 | DTRemenak | I can think of three easy ways |
| 22:38.50 | DTRemenak | and I bet you could too |
| 22:38.50 | blast007 | /whois TD-Linux |
| 22:38.57 | DTRemenak | that's one |
| 22:39.00 | blast007 | or /dns TD-Linux |
| 22:39.09 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 22:39.16 | DTRemenak | that command is for network staff only, blast007 :) |
| 22:39.26 | blast007 | it's an X-Chat command |
| 22:39.34 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 22:39.37 | blast007 | works in many IRC clients too |
| 22:39.45 | TD-Linux | I know where blast007 lives too! |
| 22:39.48 | DTRemenak | it's also a server command. wonder how that works if they overlap |
| 22:39.50 | TD-Linux | quite close, actually |
| 22:39.51 | blast007 | no, no you don't |
| 22:40.02 | TD-Linux | in fact, we have the same ISP |
| 22:40.02 | blast007 | my ISP is not in my city ;) |
| 22:40.05 | TD-Linux | Charter cable |
| 22:40.12 | TD-Linux | my ISP is |
| 22:40.25 | TD-Linux | mdsn |
| 22:40.26 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 22:40.31 | TD-Linux | what city could that be? |
| 22:40.36 | blast007 | madison |
| 22:40.36 | TD-Linux | mdsn |
| 22:40.37 | DTRemenak | madison |
| 22:40.38 | TD-Linux | ahhh |
| 22:40.46 | DTRemenak | drat, blast007 types too fast |
| 22:40.49 | blast007 | :) |
| 22:40.49 | TD-Linux | I thought it was first 4 letters |
| 22:41.08 | TD-Linux | Cedric told me his last name once accidentally |
| 22:41.19 | TD-Linux | I was able to find his state, city, and street address |
| 22:41.23 | TD-Linux | which is 22222 |
| 22:41.39 | TD-Linux | and get a satellite image of his house on Google Maps |
| 22:41.51 | blast007 | if that image was updated |
| 22:42.06 | blast007 | some areas are older |
| 22:42.14 | blast007 | or don't have the ability to zoom in as close |
| 22:42.21 | TD-Linux | yes, some of those satellite images are 20 years old |
| 22:42.31 | TD-Linux | kind of funny when viewing some areas of Rochester ;) |
| 22:42.43 | DTRemenak | most of the addresses are way wrong, at least in my hometown |
| 22:42.46 | TD-Linux | hmmm, now where did that building of the Mayo Clinic go? |
| 22:42.47 | blast007 | did you see Google Moon? |
| 22:43.21 | TD-Linux | DTR is at a university or something |
| 22:43.22 | blast007 | http://moon.google.com/ |
| 22:43.30 | TD-Linux | campus site? |
| 22:43.36 | DTRemenak | heh, "or something"? :) |
| 22:44.01 | TD-Linux | I assume at the U of CalTech? |
| 22:44.10 | DTRemenak | there's no "U of" in the name |
| 22:44.11 | TD-Linux | California Technology? |
| 22:44.17 | learner | at and up to |
| 22:44.24 | DTRemenak | California Institute of Technology |
| 22:44.27 | TD-Linux | ahhh |
| 22:44.33 | TD-Linux | couldn't remember the name |
| 22:44.35 | *** join/#bzflag Legoguy|L (n=Legoguy@c-67-184-202-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 22:44.39 | blast007 | TD-Linux: you could just just gone to http://caltech.edu |
| 22:44.43 | TD-Linux | quite prestigious isn't it? |
| 22:44.56 | TD-Linux | which is better caltech or MIT? |
| 22:45.01 | TD-Linux | I'm not going to either |
| 22:45.05 | orchid | heh |
| 22:45.06 | DTRemenak | hah, I'm a bit biased to be asking that :) |
| 22:45.07 | TD-Linux | but just in case I win a million dollars |
| 22:45.25 | DTRemenak | financial aid covers most of the cost for me |
| 22:45.30 | learner | should probably be CIT like most schools but they couldn't decide whether to pronounce it Kit or Sit or .... hence CalTech :) |
| 22:45.37 | TD-Linux | MIT has certain marriage problems I might want to avoid... |
| 22:45.47 | DTRemenak | marriage? |
| 22:45.50 | TD-Linux | being in Massacucets |
| 22:45.53 | TD-Linux | but then again... |
| 22:46.01 | TD-Linux | Californial has problems too |
| 22:46.06 | DTRemenak | hardly see how that relates to going to school |
| 22:46.09 | TD-Linux | my mom wouldn't like me going there |
| 22:46.16 | learner | dude, you're 13 |
| 22:46.16 | TD-Linux | either that, or she makes fun of me |
| 22:46.25 | TD-Linux | because she knows I won't go there anyway |
| 22:46.32 | TD-Linux | might as well make it look bad :) |
| 22:46.40 | DTRemenak | I didn't apply to MIT, no way I want to live in Boston ;) |
| 22:47.13 | learner | i could see living in boston, pretty quaint |
| 22:47.17 | DTRemenak | 'specially when we've got this nice school that has better faculty, better research programs, and far, far better weather, closer to home :) |
| 22:47.17 | TD-Linux | I see NDSU in my future... |
| 22:47.33 | TD-Linux | or maybe U of M... |
| 22:47.49 | TD-Linux | or maybe some faraway fancy university/institute/whatever |
| 22:47.55 | TD-Linux | especially the whatever |
| 22:48.23 | learner | didn't apply there either myself -- their application pretty much said "come here if you have no life, want no life, and plan to keep it that way" |
| 22:48.33 | blast007 | hehe |
| 22:48.37 | DTRemenak | hey, that fits me just fine :) |
| 22:49.36 | TD-Linux | me too |
| 22:49.43 | TD-Linux | anyway, what life is playing bzflag? |
| 22:49.48 | TD-Linux | I guess a pretty good one |
| 22:50.07 | DTRemenak | you will not have time to play bzflag if you go here or probably to MIT either |
| 22:50.18 | TD-Linux | why do you then? |
| 22:50.22 | DTRemenak | I don't :) |
| 22:50.29 | TD-Linux | but you do anyway |
| 22:50.31 | TD-Linux | hmmm |
| 22:50.34 | DTRemenak | it's summertime |
| 22:50.41 | TD-Linux | oh yes, that |
| 22:50.46 | TD-Linux | I forgot :) |
| 22:51.57 | TD-Linux | I can't find where the compiled files went! |
| 22:53.06 | TD-Linux | where did my shockwaveDeath.so go? |
| 22:53.20 | TD-Linux | Find to the rescue! |
| 22:53.37 | a_monkey | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4915 |
| 22:53.43 | a_monkey | scroll down to my post |
| 22:53.56 | a_monkey | anybody how how the heck trepan did it? |
| 22:54.10 | TD-Linux | wow, in my bzflag directory! |
| 22:54.15 | TD-Linux | my search results came in |
| 22:54.25 | a_monkey | did he write a little patch, or what...? |
| 22:54.36 | TD-Linux | I know what! |
| 22:54.36 | DTRemenak | a_monkey, that's an older revision |
| 22:54.52 | DTRemenak | he replaced it with what's in cvs now |
| 22:54.55 | TD-Linux | I think it's the Makefile |
| 22:54.57 | a_monkey | DTRemenak: oh |
| 22:55.02 | a_monkey | DTRemenak: that stinks |
| 22:55.04 | a_monkey | DTRemenak: why? |
| 22:55.09 | DTRemenak | said it "looks less like ass" |
| 22:55.30 | a_monkey | tell him the new version looks more like ass, and is less practical |
| 22:55.36 | DTRemenak | and I'd tend to agree with him |
| 22:55.44 | TD-Linux | new version of what? |
| 22:57.00 | DTRemenak | a_monkey, besides, if you're just concerned about the # of shots I may have a better way to do it |
| 22:57.16 | a_monkey | DTRemenak: what's that way? |
| 22:57.32 | DTRemenak | you will see when I finish |
| 22:57.38 | a_monkey | well, ok |
| 22:57.46 | a_monkey | when will that be? :D |
| 22:57.53 | DTRemenak | that is a stupid question :) |
| 22:58.00 | a_monkey | yea, i know... |
| 22:58.00 | TD-Linux | I like trepan's setup best |
| 22:58.11 | a_monkey | just let me know when you are done |
| 22:58.16 | TD-Linux | however, all are good |
| 22:58.21 | TD-Linux | and I won't complain about any |
| 22:59.29 | TD-Linux | so, what command-line bzfs option to load plugin? |
| 22:59.31 | TD-Linux | I forgot |
| 22:59.37 | TD-Linux | -loadplugin? |
| 22:59.41 | TD-Linux | -plugin? |
| 22:59.46 | blast007 | -loadplugin pluginname,paramaters |
| 22:59.50 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 22:59.55 | blast007 | ,paramaters is optional though |
| 23:01.20 | TD-Linux | I need parameters for shockwaveDeath |
| 23:01.22 | TD-Linux | in my case |
| 23:01.40 | TD-Linux | -loadplugin shockwaveDeath.so,usevictim |
| 23:01.42 | TD-Linux | that right? |
| 23:01.53 | TD-Linux | do I need path name? |
| 23:01.55 | TD-Linux | suppose I do |
| 23:02.23 | blast007 | try without .so |
| 23:02.42 | TD-Linux | do I need filepath? |
| 23:02.53 | meacan | yes |
| 23:02.57 | TD-Linux | loadplugin /root/bzflag/bzflag/plugins/shockwaveDeathshockwaveDeath.so,usevictim |
| 23:03.18 | blast007 | I don't have to for windows, but if that works, do it |
| 23:03.40 | TD-Linux | Plugin:/root/bzflag/bzflag/plugins/shockwaveDeathshockwaveDeath.so found but does not contain bz_Load method, error bzfs: undefined symbol: bz_Load |
| 23:03.43 | meacan | TD-Linux: shockwaveDeathshockwaveDeath.so? <- did you miss a / ? |
| 23:03.55 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 23:04.31 | TD-Linux | Plugin:/root/bzflag/bzflag/plugins/shockwaveDeath/shockwaveDeath.so found but does not contain bz_Load method, error bzfs: undefined symbol: bz_Load |
| 23:04.43 | TD-Linux | must have compiled wrong |
| 23:04.50 | DTRemenak | have you written a bz_Load? |
| 23:04.59 | DTRemenak | or is that actually shockwaveDeath |
| 23:05.08 | TD-Linux | it acutally is shockwaveDeath |
| 23:05.10 | blast007 | do you need the extension? |
| 23:05.18 | TD-Linux | it says it's fount |
| 23:05.31 | DTRemenak | it said it was found even when it wasn't there ;) |
| 23:05.36 | TD-Linux | hockwaveDeath.so found but does not contain bz_Load method, error bzfs: undefined symbol: bz_Load |
| 23:05.41 | TD-Linux | it isn't there? |
| 23:05.50 | DTRemenak | when you were missing a / |
| 23:05.54 | DTRemenak | it still said it was found |
| 23:05.56 | TD-Linux | hmm |
| 23:06.02 | DTRemenak | ergo, I do not trust it when it says it is fount |
| 23:06.05 | TD-Linux | no path required maybe? |
| 23:06.09 | DTRemenak | and what are you doing running as root anyway? |
| 23:06.11 | meacan | TD-Linux: did you try to compile sample-plugin or any other plugin and see how they work? |
| 23:06.28 | TD-Linux | no, here is what I did to compile: |
| 23:06.51 | TD-Linux | went to shockwaveDeath folder |
| 23:06.53 | TD-Linux | make -k |
| 23:06.59 | TD-Linux | will that do it? |
| 23:07.03 | TD-Linux | or did I compile wrong? |
| 23:07.41 | meacan | make dosnt compile it, cc/gcc/g++/etc does. make just starts the party. |
| 23:07.56 | TD-Linux | but that's what i typed in terminal |
| 23:07.58 | TD-Linux | make -k |
| 23:08.05 | TD-Linux | will that do it? |
| 23:08.07 | DTRemenak | why using -k? |
| 23:08.11 | meacan | but look at the sample-plugin, it got everything you need |
| 23:08.17 | TD-Linux | because that's what xemacs does |
| 23:08.22 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:08.31 | TD-Linux | I clicked 'compile' button |
| 23:08.36 | DTRemenak | -k means it won't return an error if it fails. so you don't know whether it worked or not |
| 23:08.40 | TD-Linux | oh |
| 23:08.43 | blast007 | heh |
| 23:09.24 | TD-Linux | [root@localhost shockwaveDeath]# make |
| 23:09.25 | TD-Linux | g++ -fPIC -frtti -I../../include -O -shared -rdynamic shockwaveDeath.o -o shockwavedeath.so |
| 23:09.30 | DTRemenak | if it produced a .so then it probably worked anyway |
| 23:09.35 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 23:09.42 | TD-Linux | must not be finding my plugin |
| 23:09.57 | DTRemenak | eewww who turned on rtti? |
| 23:10.04 | TD-Linux | huh? |
| 23:10.05 | TD-Linux | not me |
| 23:10.14 | DTRemenak | yeah, I know not you |
| 23:10.21 | TD-Linux | fc3 must have done it |
| 23:10.28 | TD-Linux | naugty fc3 |
| 23:10.29 | DTRemenak | or JeffM2501 |
| 23:10.30 | meacan | Your output file is shockwavedeath.so (no capital D) |
| 23:10.37 | TD-Linux | ok |
| 23:10.42 | TD-Linux | trying that.. |
| 23:10.59 | DTRemenak | yeah, Jeff turned on rtti |
| 23:11.03 | TD-Linux | it worked! |
| 23:11.05 | TD-Linux | yay |
| 23:11.07 | TD-Linux | testing... |
| 23:11.49 | TD-Linux | hmm, no sw I saw |
| 23:12.03 | TD-Linux | brgb |
| 23:16.41 | learner | wierd eh? |
| 23:18.01 | orchid | very |
| 23:19.43 | learner | http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ |
| 23:19.52 | learner | 80M downloads.. |
| 23:20.04 | blast007 | let the revolution begin! |
| 23:20.09 | blast007 | ;) |
| 23:20.41 | learner | off even |
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| 23:41.25 | me1 | can someone help me with a map problem? |
| 23:45.18 | SportChick | learner: ping |
| 23:46.17 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 23:46.19 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 73°F (3:54 PM PDT on August 14, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 61°F. Pressure: 29.87 in (1011 hPa). Visibility: 15.0 miles (24.1 kilometers). UV: 5 out of 16 |
| 23:47.45 | trepan | me1: for your onCap prob, you also need to have the SW plugin loaded |
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| 23:47.55 | JeffM2501 | shockwave death is the worst plugin to start with, it was my first |
| 23:47.56 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 23:48.10 | TD-Linux | I had to leave to eat, and plus my box crashed |
| 23:48.17 | trepan | maps no longer have a standardized format... |
| 23:48.25 | TD-Linux | by the way, the swd plugin didn't work |
| 23:48.31 | TD-Linux | I didn't get a sw on death |
| 23:48.48 | TD-Linux | there is a bug in the plugin code, by the way |
| 23:49.01 | TD-Linux | it tells you that the plugin was found if it really was or not |
| 23:49.11 | JeffM2501 | the duce you say! |
| 23:49.13 | TD-Linux | if it is not found, it says that bz_load does not exist |
| 23:49.18 | JeffM2501 | TD-Linux, yeah I know that |
| 23:49.23 | TD-Linux | making sure you knew |
| 23:49.27 | TD-Linux | sw plugin dosen't work |
| 23:49.31 | TD-Linux | it makes no sw |
| 23:49.33 | me1 | what sw plug-in? |
| 23:49.41 | TD-Linux | the shockwaveDeath plugin |
| 23:50.17 | JeffM2501 | how old is your code? |
| 23:50.30 | TD-Linux | -loadplugin /root/bzflag/bzflag/plugins/shockwaveDeath/shockwavedeath.so,usevictim |
| 23:50.35 | TD-Linux | it is from CVS today |
| 23:50.46 | JeffM2501 | I know it works |
| 23:50.52 | JeffM2501 | beta.bzflag.bz is running with it |
| 23:50.54 | TD-Linux | with the usevictim perm? |
| 23:51.13 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 23:51.18 | TD-Linux | that could be it... |
| 23:51.33 | TD-Linux | trying with... |
| 23:51.53 | TD-Linux | my favorite: DEL |
| 23:52.49 | TD-Linux | nope, no sw |
| 23:52.56 | TD-Linux | if you self-destruct, does it sw? |
| 23:53.20 | JeffM2501 | what event is it tied to? |
| 23:53.42 | TD-Linux | please wait... |
| 23:53.43 | blast007 | TD-Linux: run bzflag -solo 2 |
| 23:53.51 | blast007 | see if it works when you kill a bot |
| 23:54.49 | TD-Linux | bz_registerEvent(bz_ePlayerDieEvent,&deathHandler); |
| 23:55.11 | JeffM2501 | and what happens when you destruct? |
| 23:55.17 | me1 | trepan, which SW plugin, the shockwaveDeath? |
| 23:55.27 | TD-Linux | bad argument: -solo |
| 23:56.18 | TD-Linux | oh, plugins have to be last I think |
| 23:56.40 | TD-Linux | It dosen't like solo! |
| 23:56.56 | JeffM2501 | plugins are server |
| 23:57.00 | JeffM2501 | -solo is CLIENT |
| 23:57.18 | TD-Linux | but -solo dosen't work in the bzfs command line |
| 23:57.39 | TD-Linux | so I do bzflag -solo 2? |
| 23:57.40 | JeffM2501 | why would a CLEINT command line option work on the SERVER? |
| 23:57.48 | TD-Linux | oh, I see |
| 23:58.18 | TD-Linux | I'm testing without usevictim.. |
| 23:58.32 | TD-Linux | the sw works now |
| 23:58.42 | TD-Linux | usevictim perm makes swdeath not work |
| 23:58.53 | TD-Linux | I'm going to do my first experiment... |
| 23:59.00 | TD-Linux | see if I can make sw's last a full minute! |
| 23:59.14 | JeffM2501 | you can't change the parmates on just those SWs |
| 23:59.21 | JeffM2501 | we don't have per shot params |
| 23:59.37 | TD-Linux | what about the reloadtime specified when firing a ww? |
