irclog2html for #bzflag on 20050811

`00:00.00`	`JeffM2501`	`from the logs I have it looks like alsa installs OSS emulation or something for most systems`
`00:00.11`	`JeffM2501`	`or at least kicks SDL over to use it`
`00:00.19`	`JeffM2501`	`SDL is wierd with it's sound def stuff`
`00:00.33`	`JeffM2501`	`tupone would know more`
`00:00.33`	`SerajewelKS`	`from what i can tell, ALSA's OSS emulation layer won't feed stuff to dmix`
`00:00.56`	`JeffM2501`	`well you can allways take a look at your SDL implementation and see what it does`
`00:01.01`	`JeffM2501`	`we just sit on top of it`
`00:01.50`	`JeffM2501`	`he has told some people to put in alsa for the driver too`
`00:02.01`	`JeffM2501`	`you may want to send him a PM on the boards, or botmail`
`00:04.21`	`blast007`	`which version of SDL is this?`
`00:04.22`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh here is the list`
`00:04.23`	`JeffM2501`	`http://www.libsdl.org/cgi/docwiki.cgi/SDL_5fenvvars?action=highlight&value=ALSA`
`00:04.35`	`JeffM2501`	`that is all the env vars SDL will take`
`00:04.52`	`JeffM2501`	`at least 1.2.x will`
`00:05.34`	`SerajewelKS`	SDL_AUDIODRIVER=alsa `which bzflag`
`00:05.37`	`SerajewelKS`	`doesn't work`
`00:05.45`	`JeffM2501`	`all we do is pass it`
`00:05.48`	`JeffM2501`	`so it's not really us`
`00:06.07`	`JeffM2501`	`do you have other SDL apps that use alsa and work?`
`00:06.14`	`SerajewelKS`	`haven't tried`
`00:06.41`	`SerajewelKS`	`AHA`
`00:06.46`	`SerajewelKS`	`maybe i need to apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-alsa`
`00:06.48`	`SerajewelKS`	`=)`
`00:06.57`	`JeffM2501`	`that would posibly help :)`
`00:07.08`	`JeffM2501`	`and the defaults arn't playing sound on your system?`
`00:07.23`	`SerajewelKS`	`ooo nice... it replaces the -oss package`
`00:07.36`	`SerajewelKS`	`so if all goes well, all SDL apps will use alsa by default`
`00:07.52`	`JeffM2501`	`that would make it simple`
`00:08.44`	`SerajewelKS`	`okay well`
`00:08.47`	`SerajewelKS`	`it kinda works`
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`00:09.03`	`JeffM2501`	`sound on linux seems to be a hit or miss thing`
`00:09.10`	`SerajewelKS`	`it seems to be skipping parts of the sound, and it's lagging quite a bit`
`00:09.45`	`purple_cow`	`sblive: hit. anything else: miss.`
`00:09.48`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd call that a miss`
`00:10.06`	`SerajewelKS`	`from what i can read, SDL+ALSA causes problems in general`
`00:10.22`	`JeffM2501`	`purple_cow, did you hear what video card was in that PC I gave DTRemenak?`
`00:11.00`	`purple_cow`	`nope`
`00:11.11`	`JeffM2501`	`3DLabs Oxygen VX1`
`00:11.23`	`purple_cow`	`sweet`
`00:11.38`	`scanlime`	`hah`
`00:11.59`	`JeffM2501`	`I had wondered where it went`
`00:12.14`	`JeffM2501`	`wonder if he won the bid on the CPUs`
`00:12.40`	`DTRemenak`	`yup, I did`
`00:12.50`	`JeffM2501`	`cool`
`00:12.56`	`JeffM2501`	`20$ for both?`
`00:16.02`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`00:16.13`	`JeffM2501`	`nice`
`00:16.32`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, not bad`
`00:17.06`	`JeffM2501`	`550s?`
`00:17.13`	`DTRemenak`	`apparently demand on matched pairs of p3s is not high. most of them that I was watching ended with 0 bids`
`00:17.41`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, 550/100/512`
`00:20.16`	`JeffM2501`	`so how bad did subspace run?`
`00:21.46`	`DTRemenak`	`real bad`
`00:22.05`	`DTRemenak`	`basically you can only see what's drawn on the top of a particular frame, 'cause clipping doesn't work`
`00:22.26`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh that sucks`
`00:22.28`	`DTRemenak`	`so one frame you'll see a ship, and the next a missile, or something. not sure what all the stuff that pops up is 'cause I can't read the text :)`
`00:22.36`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`00:22.37`	`purple_cow`	`JeffM2501: beast?`
`00:22.43`	`JeffM2501`	`beast!`
`00:22.47`	`JeffM2501`	`dual 666's`
`00:22.59`	`blast007`	`heh`
`00:23.28`	`bryjen`	`hehe`
`00:24.12`	`JeffM2501`	`zenons sure`
`00:24.18`	`JeffM2501`	`dono if they did 667 zeonos`
`00:24.20`	`purple_cow`	`http://zero.navi.cx/gallery/siggraph-2005/DSCN0958 <-- beast`
`00:25.17`	`JeffM2501`	`what is it?`
`00:25.36`	`purple_cow`	`that's the new oct-core opteron box ;)`
`00:25.37`	`JeffM2501`	`quad dual cores?`
`00:25.44`	`purple_cow`	`it's only really a beast in that it will eat you for breakfast`
`00:25.57`	`JeffM2501`	`no I want the server of the beast to be subtle`
`00:27.21`	`bryjen`	`http://www.tyan.com/products/html/thunderk8qw.html there's a expansion board for this thing that gives you 8 sockets total`
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`00:29.28`	`purple_cow`	`mmm ATI RAGE`
`00:29.51`	`slugkilla`	`~bzfquery slugkilla.game-host.org`
`00:30.03`	`bryjen`	`is that the same board, purple_cow ?`
`00:30.14`	`SerajewelKS`	`SDL+ALSA is skipping chunks of audio, it seems`
`00:30.28`	`SerajewelKS`	`meaning there's popping, and it plays a lot faster than it should`
`00:30.57`	`purple_cow`	`hmm, might be`
`00:31.00`	`blast007`	`~nslookup slugkilla.game-host.org`
`00:31.19`	`purple_cow`	`err, no, not quite`
`00:31.22`	`slugkilla`	`u found it`
`00:31.22`	`purple_cow`	`pci slots don't match`
`00:31.26`	`blast007`	`slugkilla: you need to set it to your external IP addres, not your local address ;)`
`00:31.38`	`purple_cow`	`oh, wait, they do`
`00:31.39`	`purple_cow`	`nevermind`
`00:31.41`	`slugkilla`	`hmmm`
`00:31.44`	`bryjen`	`ah 64/32`
`00:31.50`	`slugkilla`	`how do i do that`
`00:32.07`	`bryjen`	`contageous blindness`
`00:32.13`	`JeffM2501`	`slugkilla, how did you set it in the first place?`
`00:32.14`	`bryjen`	`~spell contageous`
`00:32.18`	`JeffM2501`	`ohh it's dynadns`
`00:32.19`	`purple_cow`	`DTRemenak: i can think of a lot i could do with it`
`00:32.30`	`DTRemenak`	`other than the obvious make -j 16 ;)`
`00:32.39`	`JeffM2501`	`set it based on your results from http://www.whatismyip.com, not what your computer says`
`00:32.40`	`slugkilla`	`i am using dyndns`
`00:32.43`	`purple_cow`	`naw, -j 32 ;)`
`00:32.49`	`blast007`	`the DNS client just looked at the local network card address`
`00:32.49`	`purple_cow`	`don't want to keep anything idle`
`00:32.50`	`JeffM2501`	`slugkilla, you set it up wrong`
`00:33.02`	`DTRemenak`	`purple_cow, I could think of things to do with it, but nothing really directly useful to me`
`00:33.09`	`purple_cow`	`now that was a fast build :)`
`00:33.19`	`DTRemenak`	`I don't do your massive rendering stuff ;)`
`00:33.28`	`purple_cow`	`and why not?`
`00:33.47`	`DTRemenak`	`have not been interested enough in it to devote the time to it`
`00:34.03`	`blast007`	`slugkilla: if you have a router, it might have built-in support for dyndns.org`
`00:34.16`	`slugkilla`	`it does`
`00:34.16`	`blast007`	`my linksys does`
`00:34.26`	`JeffM2501`	`slugkilla, it's using the wrong IP then`
`00:34.52`	`JeffM2501`	`slugkilla, go to http://www.whatismyip.com`
`00:34.56`	`JeffM2501`	`what does that say your IP is`
`00:35.13`	`blast007`	`slugkilla: your IP is 68.57.54.77`
`00:35.13`	`JeffM2501`	`blast007, I'll bet he's on a modem that does it's own routing :)`
`00:35.19`	`blast007`	`comcast`
`00:35.19`	`JeffM2501`	`so he's double nat :)`
`00:35.31`	`purple_cow`	`yay double nat!`
`00:35.35`	`blast007`	`ah`
`00:35.37`	`JeffM2501`	`sbc has started shiping modems like that`
`00:35.45`	`JeffM2501`	`thats a lota nat`
`00:35.51`	`slugkilla`	`waaa`
`00:35.57`	`slugkilla`	`i am on cocast`
`00:35.59`	`purple_cow`	`you could even call it 4x nat if you wanted, but 2 of them were in parallel`
`00:36.23`	`JeffM2501`	`musta been a pain to get an incoming packet thru`
`00:36.24`	`bryjen`	`do nats in parallel add or divide? ;)`
`00:36.39`	`purple_cow`	`hehe`
`00:36.44`	`slugkilla`	`~bzfquery slugkilla.game-host.org`
`00:36.51`	`slugkilla`	`yes`
`00:36.55`	`slugkilla`	`thank u`
`00:36.59`	`blast007`	`:)`
`00:37.05`	`purple_cow`	`all of the traffic between an internal machine only really saw a single one of those nats`
`00:37.10`	`purple_cow`	`since it was encapsulated`
`00:37.20`	`purple_cow`	`still, what a pain`
`00:37.26`	`slugkilla`	`i admit i was afraid on a chat room but i was desperate`
`00:38.03`	`bryjen`	`red or blue`
`00:38.03`	`JeffM2501`	`slugkilla, how ever you set up your dynadns thing, it's not using the corret IP, see if you can change it`
`00:38.23`	`slugkilla`	`i just changed it`
`00:38.25`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501, it's working for him now. see the "No Players" response?`
`00:38.46`	`blast007`	`DTRemenak: it's working now, but he might have changed the dyndns.org entry manaully`
`00:38.49`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh didn't see that`
`00:39.02`	`DTRemenak`	`blast007, yup, could be`
`00:39.04`	`DTRemenak`	`yay merge`
`00:39.10`	`slugkilla`	`but in the list it still says localhost.localdomian`
`00:39.44`	`slugkilla`	`i put the publicadder then in my config`
`00:39.55`	`blast007`	`if it's port 5154, it will search your network for servers, which is why you are seeing that`
`00:40.04`	`blast007`	`there's probably another entry with the publicaddr one`
`00:40.15`	`slugkilla`	`oh let me check`
`00:40.24`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, I haven't kept my code up in our dev version for like 5 months, so now I'm doing a huge ass update from our release version`
`00:40.33`	`bryjen`	`slugkilla: in _your_ list. i see you correctly from here ;)`
`00:40.55`	`slugkilla`	`yes!!!!!!`
`00:40.57`	`DTRemenak`	`JeffM2501, the more frequently you do it the less work it is ;)`
`00:41.03`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, I know`
`00:41.09`	`JeffM2501`	`but I was making the plugin system :)`
`00:41.29`	`slugkilla`	`last night i set my router to update`
`00:41.52`	`slugkilla`	`do u think that might have done the bad change`
`00:42.15`	`slugkilla`	`i have ez-update too`
`00:42.16`	`blast007`	`could be`
`00:42.43`	`blast007`	`there was one that I used where it could check from a remote CGI script to see what your IP was`
`00:43.19`	`slugkilla`	`so shuld i disable the router updater or the sowftware updater?`
`00:43.23`	`JeffM2501`	`the no-ip.com one uses it's own server to check your IP`
`00:43.58`	`slugkilla`	`hmm how does that work`
`00:44.23`	`blast007`	`http://www.dyndns.org/support/clients/ < that one says it can check from a 'remote server'`
`00:45.24`	`blast007`	`though that's a windows client..not sure if you're on linux`
`00:47.13`	`slugkilla`	`im on linux`
`00:47.27`	`slugkilla`	`i have people on my server!!!`
`00:47.34`	`slugkilla`	`thank u 4 the help`
`00:47.45`	`slugkilla`	`i have to ba an admin now`
`00:47.49`	`slugkilla`	`bye`
`00:48.17`	`blast007`	`cya`
`00:50.52`	`bryjen`	`or perhaps he's a sheep: baa n admin`
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`01:25.34`	`JeffM2501`	`productive day he musta had`
`01:27.10`	`JeffM2501`	`I haven't had a chance to check it on bounds checker`
`01:27.17`	`JeffM2501`	`too many people telling me to play COH`
`01:27.22`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`01:27.31`	`JeffM2501`	`that thing is hella fun`
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`01:56.18`	`RPG_`	`~seen CBG`
`01:56.20`	`ibot`	`cbg <n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust173.cdif.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 9h 30m 29s ago, saying: 'No, don't cry. I will return later!'.`
`01:56.46`	`RPG_`	`hey`
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`02:31.59`	`JeffM2501`	`They fall in line`
`02:32.02`	`JeffM2501`	`One at a time`
`02:32.06`	`JeffM2501`	`Ready to play`
`02:32.13`	`JeffM2501`	`(I can't see them anyway)`
`02:32.19`	`JeffM2501`	`No time to lose`
`02:32.23`	`JeffM2501`	`We've got to move`
`02:32.28`	`JeffM2501`	`Steady the hand`
`02:32.32`	`JeffM2501`	`(I am losing site again)`
`02:32.40`	`JeffM2501`	`Fire your guns`
`02:32.40`	`JeffM2501`	`It's time to roll`
`02:32.40`	`JeffM2501`	`Blow me away`
`02:32.40`	`JeffM2501`	`(I will stay, unless I may)`
`02:32.40`	`JeffM2501`	`After the fall`
`02:32.40`	`JeffM2501`	`We'll shake it off`
`02:32.42`	`JeffM2501`	`Show me the way`
`02:32.52`	`JeffM2501`	`Only the strongest will survive`
`02:32.52`	`JeffM2501`	`Lead me to heaven, will we die`
`02:32.52`	`JeffM2501`	`I am the shadow on the wall`
`02:32.52`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll be the one to save us all`
`02:32.55`	`RPG_`	`eh?`
`02:33.06`	`RPG_`	`never heard that oen`
`02:33.29`	`JeffM2501`	`of course you haven`
`02:33.44`	`RPG_`	`never ever`
`02:34.04`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, dosn't mean it dosnt' exist :)`
`02:34.09`	`RPG_`	`hehe`
`02:34.30`	`JeffM2501`	`DTRemenak, only on wednesdays`
`02:34.38`	`RPG_`	`does bzflag use winsock for internet connections on windows?`
`02:34.45`	`JeffM2501`	`what else would it use?`
`02:34.51`	`RPG_`	`well.... right`
`02:34.56`	`DTRemenak`	`dang, JeffM2501 stole the words right off of my keyboard!`
`02:35.01`	`wegstar`	`:)`
`02:35.01`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`02:35.01`	`RPG_`	`hehe`
`02:35.06`	`JeffM2501`	`I have a very nice keyboard`
`02:35.09`	`JeffM2501`	`it flys fast`
`02:35.11`	`RPG_`	`mine has blue lights`
`02:35.16`	`DTRemenak`	`I had only gotten "what else would it u" typed yet though :)`
`02:35.21`	`JeffM2501`	`heh`
`02:35.45`	`RPG_`	`i made a winsock simple client and server, it worked the first run, decided to do a second for kicks, and it wouldn't do it.`
`02:35.49`	`RPG_`	`strange`
`02:35.58`	`DTRemenak`	`winsock is picky about init and shutdown`
`02:36.08`	`JeffM2501`	`that's like saying "do chevy cars use tires?"`
`02:36.17`	`RPG_`	`WSACleanup() at end`
`02:36.32`	`RPG_`	`init i just copied microsoft's sample code`
`02:36.39`	`JeffM2501`	`winsock is just picky`
`02:36.45`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah like that's gonna work ;)`
`02:36.50`	`JeffM2501`	`what are you trying to do?`
`02:37.01`	`JeffM2501`	`No one else`
`02:37.01`	`JeffM2501`	`Will help us to get through`
`02:37.01`	`JeffM2501`	`So by ourselves`
`02:37.01`	`JeffM2501`	`We'll know just what to do`
`02:37.07`	`JeffM2501`	`We are connected,`
`02:37.07`	`JeffM2501`	`We'll never be alone`
`02:37.07`	`JeffM2501`	`We walk together,`
`02:37.07`	`JeffM2501`	`Forever down that road`
`02:37.13`	`RPG_`	`write a simple client/server, to hep learn sockets`
`02:37.21`	`JeffM2501`	`sockets are evil`
`02:37.27`	`RPG_`	`hopefully to turn into a server/client for editing my phpSiteManager CMS system`
`02:37.27`	`JeffM2501`	`is it for a game?`
`02:37.33`	`JeffM2501`	`oh`
`02:37.34`	`JeffM2501`	`use a lib`
`02:37.41`	`DTRemenak`	`winsock is the absolute worst sockets impl out there`
`02:37.42`	`RPG_`	`which lib do you have in mind?`
`02:37.45`	`trepan`	`picky = crappy unix sockets wannabe`
`02:37.50`	`DTRemenak`	`no exceptions at all`
`02:37.53`	`JeffM2501`	`winsock sucks`
`02:38.05`	`RPG_`	`the strange thing is it worked the first time!`
`02:38.06`	`JeffM2501`	`even for libIRC I used libSDL :)`
`02:38.18`	`JeffM2501`	`well a mod of SDL_NET`
`02:38.18`	`RPG_`	`theen did another run... same binaries.... no luck`
`02:38.27`	`wegstar`	`winsock.. bleh`
`02:38.28`	`JeffM2501`	`welcome to winsock`
`02:38.32`	`DTRemenak`	`reboot before running it again ;)`
`02:38.40`	`RPG_`	`that's practical :D`
`02:38.43`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, a wraper is best, that way it's cross plat`
`02:38.54`	`RPG_`	`~dict wraper`
`02:38.58`	`wegstar`	`heh`
`02:39.00`	`RPG_`	`~dict wrapper`
`02:39.04`	`JeffM2501`	`windows sockets are not compatable with linux`
`02:39.06`	`trepan`	`~google sockets wrapper library c++`
`02:39.07`	`JeffM2501`	`or anything else`
`02:39.17`	`JeffM2501`	`the sdl one is ok`
`02:39.29`	`JeffM2501`	`for a game enet or tnl( when it dosnt' crash ) is great`
`02:39.31`	`RPG_`	`i wasn't going for copmatibility on this one`
`02:39.34`	`RPG_`	`just a leraning experience`
`02:39.35`	`JeffM2501`	`why?`
`02:39.37`	`DTRemenak`	`in case you haven't picked up on this yet, winsock just sucks :)`
`02:39.40`	`JeffM2501`	`why not learn compatability`
`02:39.44`	`RPG_`	`why not`
`02:39.44`	`DTRemenak`	`if you want to learn sockets, learn real sockets`
`02:39.47`	`JeffM2501`	`why learn something that you can't use`
`02:39.47`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`02:39.52`	`DTRemenak`	`not crappy imitation sockets`
`02:39.53`	`RPG_`	`real != fake sockets`
`02:40.19`	`RPG_`	`this one look worthy? http://cs.ecs.baylor.edu/~donahoo/practical/CSockets/practical/`
`02:40.34`	`JeffM2501`	`hell use the classes in libIRC, they at least hide the uglyness`
`02:40.57`	`wegstar`	`use wxwidgets's sockets ...`
`02:41.06`	`JeffM2501`	`they are ok too`
`02:41.07`	`trepan`	`RPG_: i actually agree with DTR, i'd suggest you first learn the low level routines`
`02:41.34`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`02:41.38`	`JeffM2501`	`or you'll end up like me`
`02:41.41`	`DTRemenak`	`hey, trepan agrees with me, I must be right :)`
`02:41.44`	`wegstar`	`heh`
`02:41.59`	`RPG_`	`and jeffm, that's the LAST thing i want to do.. :D`
`02:42.06`	`JeffM2501`	`totaly`
`02:42.22`	`JeffM2501`	`as mikeeusa said, I'm just a "code monkey"`
`02:42.31`	`JeffM2501`	`making my living working for "the man"`
`02:42.36`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`02:42.39`	`DTRemenak`	`he said that?`
`02:42.42`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`02:42.51`	`DTRemenak`	`that guy is a kick`
`02:43.00`	`wegstar`	`http://www.gnu.org/software/commoncpp/`
`02:43.45`	`JeffM2501`	`what ever happend to him?`
`02:43.51`	`DTRemenak`	`no idea`
`02:43.54`	`JeffM2501`	`he was going to get SF to shut us down`
`02:43.58`	`JeffM2501`	`wonder how tha'ts working out for him`
`02:44.03`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`02:44.21`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, all your custom / commands have to change`
`02:44.25`	`JeffM2501`	`just FYI`
`02:44.26`	`purple_cow`	`commoncpp is pretty decent`
`02:44.30`	`RPG_`	`aww crap`
`02:44.40`	`JeffM2501`	`just add another param to the callback`
`02:44.42`	`wegstar`	`never tried it before...`
`02:44.51`	`RPG_`	`i already changed them so only one / command was registered, match`
`02:44.54`	`JeffM2501`	`it now provides a list of params in addition to the actual text`
`02:44.58`	`RPG_`	`then the subcommands are handled as _message's`
`02:45.06`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`02:45.15`	`RPG_`	`mine are`
`02:45.17`	`JeffM2501`	`this will do the breakup for you`
`02:45.25`	`JeffM2501`	`but that's not what the change is, you can still reg one`
`02:45.30`	`JeffM2501`	`you have to change your callback`
`02:45.32`	`JeffM2501`	`or you won't compile`
`02:45.41`	`JeffM2501`	`I changed the API`
`02:45.46`	`DTRemenak`	`yay busting stuff!`
`02:45.53`	`JeffM2501`	`hey it's versioned :)`
`02:46.04`	`DTRemenak`	`that's no excuse :P`
`02:46.07`	`RPG_`	`haha airlines have weight guidelines now!`
`02:46.16`	`DTRemenak`	`better to say "it's not released yet" :)`
`02:46.17`	`RPG_`	`america, we're fat!`
`02:46.21`	`JeffM2501`	`well its' not`
`02:46.27`	`DTRemenak`	`I know`
`02:46.41`	`JeffM2501`	`but the entire point of the version thing is to not let old plugins load`
`02:46.48`	`JeffM2501`	`so it protectes them from the crashes`
`02:46.48`	`RPG_`	`but why destroy the old ones?`
`02:47.00`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, the old one was useless`
`02:47.08`	`RPG_`	`will the API change as much after the relsae?`
`02:47.14`	`JeffM2501`	`and since there are few plugin devs, easyer to make the 3 people update`
`02:47.27`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, probably not in release versions, it'll be like the proto`
`02:47.37`	`JeffM2501`	`changes in dev, then stable out as it just lives`
`02:47.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I expect 2.2.0 to have more API functons then 2.0.4`
`02:48.13`	`JeffM2501`	`but I expect 2.0.5 have little if any breaking changes`
`02:48.32`	`RPG_`	`yeah`
`02:48.35`	`RPG_`	`get everything sorted out now`
`02:48.48`	`JeffM2501`	`in the end plugins are no difrent from patches, in that you may have to update them for new versions`
`02:49.05`	`JeffM2501`	`they are just a lot easyer to update, and some things may not change as much`
`02:49.21`	`JeffM2501`	`and they can be distributed to people with out compilers`
`02:49.42`	`RPG_`	`is mac compatibility close to done?`
`02:49.44`	`JeffM2501`	`and the mix and match`
`02:49.46`	`RPG_`	`A-D is getting too anxious`
`02:49.47`	`JeffM2501`	`I dono`
`02:49.50`	`JeffM2501`	`ask the mac guy`
`02:49.54`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm not doing it`
`02:50.00`	`JeffM2501`	`dont' even know how to do it`
`02:50.36`	`RPG_`	`my MSVC++ is so messed up`
`02:50.42`	`wegstar`	`;)`
`02:50.44`	`RPG_`	`now my form designer was whacked out of commision`
`02:50.46`	`JeffM2501`	`what did you do to it?`
`02:50.50`	`RPG_`	`along with the property pages`
`02:50.59`	`RPG_`	`i'm convinced it shipped that way`
`02:51.14`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm sure it didn't`
`02:51.17`	`RPG_`	`and MS want's $99 for e-mail support, $249 to talk to someone!`
`02:51.29`	`JeffM2501`	`have you even checked the net for the problem?`
`02:51.31`	`RPG_`	`yep`
`02:51.33`	`JeffM2501`	`or tried it on another system?`
`02:51.34`	`RPG_`	`all morning`
`02:51.45`	`JeffM2501`	`and how many other people have that problem?`
`02:51.54`	`RPG_`	`none that have access to internet blogs!`
`02:52.06`	`JeffM2501`	`so you are the only person with the problem?`
`02:52.13`	`RPG_`	`seems so`
`02:52.23`	`RPG_`	`unless everyone else overlooked it...;`
`02:52.25`	`JeffM2501`	`the one person with the slightly screwed up install disk that JUST breaks the property pages?`
`02:52.34`	`RPG_`	`and form designer`
`02:52.36`	`JeffM2501`	`you can't add libs`
`02:52.44`	`JeffM2501`	`with out going to the propertie pages`
`02:52.55`	`JeffM2501`	`so noone else in the world adds libs to projects?`
`02:52.56`	`RPG_`	`i have ONE poperty page that does work, and it's the "linker command line"`
`02:53.01`	`RPG_`	`all the rest are blank`
`02:53.15`	`JeffM2501`	`blank?`
`02:53.18`	`RPG_`	`yep`
`02:53.22`	`JeffM2501`	`thats' not right`
`02:53.28`	`RPG_`	`strangely, the linker command line is hte only page i've needed`
`02:53.31`	`JeffM2501`	`your system is screwed`
`02:53.37`	`RPG_`	`that sucks to hear`
`02:53.43`	`JeffM2501`	`now, DLLs have a lot less pages`
`02:53.50`	`JeffM2501`	`but you should at least have like C++`
`02:53.53`	`JeffM2501`	`and stuff like that`
`02:53.54`	`RPG_`	`i just don't see how it got so messed up`
`02:54.05`	`RPG_`	`i'm virus-paranoid, defrag every month`
`02:54.23`	`JeffM2501`	`probably is whats killing the data on your drive :)`
`02:54.32`	`wegstar`	`heh`
`02:54.50`	`RPG_`	`on my old machine i didn't defrag, and it wound up overwriting kernel.exe`
`02:54.53`	`RPG_`	`that was a blast to fix`
`02:55.12`	`JeffM2501`	`sounds like a crap drive`
`02:55.20`	`RPG_`	`i have a new drive now`
`02:55.21`	`RPG_`	`actually 2`
`02:55.28`	`JeffM2501`	`fixing a kernel is easy`
`02:55.32`	`JeffM2501`	`put disk in`
`02:55.34`	`JeffM2501`	`repair`
`02:55.36`	`JeffM2501`	`wait`
`02:55.45`	`RPG_`	`we tried that`
`02:55.49`	`RPG_`	`didn't work`
`02:55.58`	`RPG_`	`in the end dell replaced my hard drive`
`02:55.59`	`JeffM2501`	`then it wasn't the file that was bad :)`
`02:56.14`	`JeffM2501`	`bad drive is bad drive, defrag or not, it's still bad :)`
`02:56.14`	`RPG_`	`now, the only dell part i have in my computer is the monitor`
`02:56.24`	`RPG_`	`and that's not even in the computer ;D`
`02:56.56`	`JeffM2501`	`good lord how long can this thing build for`
`02:57.40`	`JeffM2501`	`stupid workpiece.h`
`02:57.44`	`RPG_`	`does cURL do sockets?`
`02:57.54`	`JeffM2501`	`internaly sure`
`02:58.00`	`JeffM2501`	`but it's not a sockets wraper`
`02:59.44`	`JeffM2501`	`if you want to learn low level sockets stuff, go get the mud book :)`
`03:00.07`	`RPG_`	`i just need something that works`
`03:00.09`	`wegstar`	`http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~beej/guide/net/html/`
`03:00.16`	`RPG_`	`give me a tutorial, i'll pick it apart and learn it one time or another`
`03:00.35`	`wegstar`	`I guess that's one`
`03:01.01`	`wegstar`	`read "Notes for Windows Programmers"`
`03:01.04`	`RPG_`	`that's winsock`
`03:01.06`	`RPG_`	`isn't i`
`03:01.07`	`RPG_`	`t`
`03:01.17`	`JeffM2501`	`do you have any other OS then windows?`
`03:01.25`	`RPG_`	`linus`
`03:01.28`	`RPG_`	`FC3`
`03:01.31`	`RPG_`	`but it's stuck`
`03:01.38`	`RPG_`	`the windows bootloader overwrite the linux one`
`03:01.39`	`JeffM2501`	`so that would be "no" ?`
`03:01.45`	`RPG_`	`FC3 works fine`
`03:01.46`	`JeffM2501`	`allways install windows first`
`03:01.48`	`RPG_`	`when it did work`
`03:02.03`	`JeffM2501`	`but you can't use it now, so that's a "NO"`
`03:02.08`	`RPG_`	`NO`
`03:02.20`	`JeffM2501`	`it's like saying "do you have a car?" "yes, but it's crashed and dosn't run"`
`03:02.31`	`JeffM2501`	`so winsock is all you are going to be able to do`
`03:02.49`	`wegstar`	`hint "Notes for Windows Programmers"`
`03:03.24`	`RPG_`	`:gasp:`
`03:03.32`	`RPG_`	`the MS tutorial didn't tell me to closesocket()`
`03:03.46`	`DTRemenak`	`remember what I told you about MS tutorials?`
`03:03.59`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+v DTRemenak] by ChanServ`
`03:04.02`	`RPG_`	`you said something about MS tutorials?`
`03:04.08`	`RPG_`	`~MS_Tutorials suck.`
`03:04.08`	`JeffM2501`	`he did`
`03:04.12`	`DTRemenak`	`whoa, chanserv's a bit late there ;)`
`03:04.15`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`03:04.20`	`wegstar`	`heh`
`03:04.23`	`RPG_`	`~MS_Tutorials is suck.`
`03:04.23`	`ibot`	`okay, RPG_`
`03:04.28`	`RPG_`	`~MS_Tutorials`
`03:04.28`	`ibot`	`ms_tutorials is, like, suck.`
`03:04.40`	`DTRemenak`	`~forget ms_tutorials`
`03:04.40`	`ibot`	`DTRemenak: i forgot ms_tutorials`
`03:04.59`	`DTRemenak`	`see, even ibot can't remember them`
`03:05.10`	`RPG_`	`lol!!`
`03:05.19`	`RPG_`	`rofl`
`03:05.22`	`wegstar`	`:)`
`03:06.29`	`RPG_`	`http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/winsock/winsock/finished_server_and_client_code.asp+`
`03:06.39`	`RPG_`	`forget the + at the end`
`03:06.39`	`TheLastSpartan`	`I've never heard of the + at the end, RPG_!`
`03:06.53`	`RPG_`	`neither of them close the socket!`
`03:08.11`	`RPG_`	`excuse me while i restart`
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`03:08.39`	`JeffM2501`	`msdn code is fulgy and writen by pompus asses who don't compile there own code`
`03:08.48`	`wegstar`	`heh`
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`03:12.08`	`RPG_`	`that sucked`
`03:12.25`	`meacan`	`Weee, my plugin actually works =)`
`03:12.30`	`RPG_`	`what does it do?`
`03:13.13`	`RPG_`	`Trial 1 == Success!`
`03:13.24`	`RPG_`	`trial 1 == error.`
`03:13.30`	`RPG_`	`*trial 2`
`03:13.37`	`meacan`	`creates "chat channels". If bar plays an official match, we can create a channel and use it. Even if people are on different teams (eg red + observers)`
`03:13.58`	`meacan`	`.. if the server uses the plugin :)`
`03:14.04`	`RPG_`	`if "bar" plays an off......`
`03:14.05`	`RPG_`	`what's bar?`
`03:14.15`	`meacan`	`Barbarian, our league team`
`03:14.19`	`RPG_`	`ahhh`
`03:15.02`	`meacan`	`Kinda like multipurpose chat-channels, not limited by what team you're on`
`03:15.18`	`meacan`	`not sure if its that usefull, but it was fun trying to make it :)`
`03:15.28`	`RPG_`	`now we need voice that C:`
`03:16.56`	`meacan`	`voice that? like teamspeak?`
`03:18.41`	`meacan`	`btw: vocaliser forgets to bz_removeCustomSlashCommand() for listvoices/listvoiceitems`
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`03:26.52`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: allow locking of the last GM on shot-limited servers`
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`05:09.40`	`WonderMop`	`gonna make new squares cods?`
`05:28.02`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/geometry/SphereSceneNode.cxx: remove sphere shadows (they look terrible)`
`05:28.18`	`trepan`	`... affects SW and pause spheres`
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`09:49.19`	`jpa_`	`lalalalalalalala`
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`10:09.31`	`ste`	`uhm, does bzflag work with alsa..?`
`10:09.57`	`jpa_`	`yes`
`10:10.49`	`ste`	`so, i guess this is a sort of faq, but what should be put in driver and device?`
`10:11.13`	`jpa_`	`driver: alsa, device can be empty if you have only one soundcard`
`10:12.43`	`ste`	`jpa_: thanks. it still has no sound, though; sound volume remains "unavailable"...`
`10:13.11`	`jpa_`	`hm`
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`10:25.28`	`lala`	`aloha :o)`
`10:26.00`	`lala`	`anyone there?`
`10:27.21`	`jpa_`	`lalallalalal`
`10:27.23`	`jpa_`	`yes`
`10:27.24`	`DTRemenak`	`no, nobody is ever here`
`10:27.37`	`DTRemenak`	`we're all just zombies who want to eat your brains`
`10:27.49`	`jpa_`	`no no no`
`10:28.01`	`lala`	`;)`
`10:28.01`	`jpa_`	`jpa_ wants to lick you`
`10:28.08`	`trepan`	`DTRemenak: been hangin' with Noodle?`
`10:28.18`	`DTRemenak`	`heh`
`10:28.58`	`DTRemenak`	`http://tinyurl.com/ava3s`
`10:29.06`	`lala`	`can i play with my good old version 1.10.8 the servers from the 2.0.2?`
`10:29.22`	`DTRemenak`	`nope`
`10:29.29`	`lala`	`noooooooooooooooooooooo`
`10:29.47`	`DTRemenak`	`but you can upgrade to 2.0.x and be happier :)`
`10:30.10`	`lala`	`no i am ;)`
`10:30.53`	`DTRemenak`	`many cool new things :)`
`10:31.28`	`lala`	`i know but the new version doesnt work :)`
`10:31.36`	`DTRemenak`	`ahh, now we're getting somewhere`
`10:31.48`	`DTRemenak`	`probably my fault, what does it not do? :)`
`10:32.29`	`lala`	`grafic prob, crash everytime ;o)`
`10:33.02`	`DTRemenak`	`oooh, a crash`
`10:33.07`	`DTRemenak`	`got a backtrace?`
`10:33.20`	`DTRemenak`	`better yet, start with simple, what os?`
`10:33.30`	`lala`	`win2000`
`10:34.10`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, and bzflag 2.0.2?`
`10:34.12`	`lala`	`the prob is the 1.10.6 or.8 works good but the new one doenst work, i can only play in displayy mode linear`
`10:34.32`	`lala`	`i have both`
`10:34.48`	`Tupone`	`DTRemenak: I don't see bzregex.h in the project. Does it need to be there?`
`10:35.00`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone, no idea. still have not rebooted`
`10:35.07`	`Tupone`	`ok`
`10:35.15`	`DTRemenak`	`uptime is way too long on linux, in windows I need to reboot much more frequently ;)`
`10:35.37`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/3D/FontManager.cxx: no more full reset ... still works for everyone?`
`10:35.41`	`DTRemenak`	`generally .h does not need to be in project`
`10:35.45`	`Tupone`	`stay in linux and forget that crappy OS`
`10:36.05`	`DTRemenak`	`lala, what graphics card and driver version?`
`10:36.21`	`DTRemenak`	`Tupone, it's nearer to possible than it used to be :)`
`10:36.27`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/geometry/TankGeometryMgr.cxx: remove lame DEBUG3`
`10:36.48`	`lala`	`lol an old one ati rage 128 pro i think`
`10:37.06`	`DTRemenak`	`ah. could be running out of video memory then`
`10:37.44`	`DTRemenak`	`try running at a lower resolution, or copy the 1.10 "data" folder to your 2.0.2 folder and overwrite the bigger badder textures ;)`
`10:37.51`	`lala`	`the card works in the old versions but not in the new ones, probs with the fps, its very laggy the view, so i can play only in linear mode, looks like no grafic :)`
`10:38.20`	`Tupone`	`what is linear mode?`
`10:38.34`	`Tupone`	`texture?`
`10:39.29`	`lala`	`ops display mode ->linear`
`10:39.53`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/ogl/OpenGLGState.cxx: haven't heard any complaints about context switching lately, demote the DEBUGs`
`10:41.45`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/TrackMarks.cxx: annoying warnings`
`10:44.22`	`trepan`	`over 3 dozen happy customers served`
`10:46.34`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/3D/TextureFont.cxx: less warnings`
`10:46.55`	`trepan`	`Tupone: noticed that you opted for the 'let it slide' policy w.r.t. the allocated maps :)`
`10:47.25`	`Tupone`	`let it slide. I did not allocated it anymore`
`10:48.35`	`trepan`	`ah, good show then (read the IRC log, not the code)`
`10:48.43`	`Tupone`	`I just used fixed memory. I still have to change in the client. I did in the server`
`10:49.06`	`trepan`	`valgrind will thank you`
`10:49.19`	`Tupone`	`aww`
`10:52.35`	`DTRemenak`	`hmm, my valgrind is broken`
`10:52.52`	`trepan`	`if anyon ehas any probs with the fonts thing, couldyaz lemme know?`
`10:53.03`	`DTRemenak`	`yup`
`10:53.11`	`DTRemenak`	`you tried bitmap font rendering too?`
`10:53.28`	`trepan`	`that's want the canScale crap is about`
`10:53.34`	`trepan`	`s/want/what`
`10:53.38`	`trepan`	`... coffee time`
`10:53.44`	`DTRemenak`	`k, I haven't actually like, read the patch yet ;)`
`10:56.34`	`trepan`	`the raw GL_BLEND puts me off a bit... but it should be safe with the bitmap rendering`
`10:57.08`	`Chestal`	`trepan: using bitmap rendering here, looks ok`
`10:57.42`	`Tupone`	`Chestal: I coded it. Look it works. Thanks for the hints`
`11:08.50`	`trepan`	`p.s. any complaints about removing SW shadows?`
`11:11.24`	`Tupone`	`look no one complains`
`11:19.02`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: /flag /kick /kill /banlist /hostbanlist use ServerCommand`
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`12:02.48`	`Grumbler`	`whoa, DTR up this late.....or early.....`
`12:03.12`	`Tupone`	`my guess is ... late`
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`12:45.33`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (5 files): Removing the global lastState. Using only the GameKeeper one.`
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`12:53.39`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Do not need to new spawnPosition just to call ctor`
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`14:37.10`	`A-Delusion`	`I'm having a forum issue with people editing others posts`
`14:37.47`	`A-Delusion`	`At the planet mofo forum suddenly anyone can edit anyone' else's posts`
`14:38.15`	`A-Delusion`	`there are two players having an edit fight`
`14:38.33`	`Pimpinella`	`maybe this is the wrong place to post it then ;)`
`14:38.45`	`A-Delusion`	`where to go?`
`14:38.59`	`Pimpinella`	`mofo in in bzbb, right?`
`14:39.08`	`A-Delusion`	`yes`
`14:39.33`	`Pimpinella`	`tell DTRemenak in query`
`14:39.53`	`Pimpinella`	`better JeffM, but he's absent`
`14:39.54`	`A-Delusion`	`ok thanks`
`14:39.57`	`Tupone`	`menotume: ping .... ping ... ping`
`14:42.28`	`_Manu_`	`A-Delusion, moderators can change it`
`14:42.42`	`_Manu_`	`ask I died once for it`
`14:43.28`	`Pimpinella`	`i died once is moderator?`
`14:43.34`	`Pimpinella`	`sic!`
`14:43.47`	`Pimpinella`	`oh, on mofo`
`14:43.52`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Trying to put a limit on max acceleration allowed`
`14:44.10`	`Pimpinella`	`Tupone: why?`
`14:44.29`	`A-Delusion`	`well no dtr on query`
`14:44.47`	`Tupone`	`cause I'm requested to. That is configurable, and is a very high value as default`
`14:44.51`	`A-Delusion`	`Its supposed to be only me and vader can edit posts there`
`14:45.41`	`A-Delusion`	`but soehow its open to all suddenly, we didnt change it ourseleves`
`14:45.52`	`Tupone`	`someone does not like the mouse hack, so it will be a choise of server admin to limit those. Never tested :(`
`14:46.24`	`Grumbler`	`mouse hack? => mouse enhancements`
`14:46.42`	`TheRedBaron`	`nor enhancement`
`14:46.49`	`Tupone`	`cheat`
`14:46.54`	`A-Delusion`	`i_died_once is moderator, I'm supposed to be the forum cop there, for him`
`14:47.22`	`Grumbler`	`ha, the Baron cheat, i heard about that one ;)`
`14:47.26`	`Tupone`	`0 box size, and very speedy mouse`
`14:47.51`	`TheRedBaron`	`tupone: thats as much of a cheat as a size 20 radar.`
`14:48.00`	`Pimpinella`	`wheeeeeee, this will cause a war among ducati folks`
`14:48.22`	`Tupone`	`not ducati, it will be set by admin, so is admin choise`
`14:48.54`	`Pimpinella`	`sure, but there will be a war between those who want a limit and those who do not`
`14:48.56`	`TheRedBaron`	`why do you call it a cheat?`
`14:49.02`	`TheRedBaron`	`no such thing.`
`14:49.06`	`Tupone`	`and is a max value to be chosen, I do not take into account flag, so if Agility is there the limit is to be higher`
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`14:49.16`	`Birdie`	`mouse enchancement isnt cheat, every one can have it, its just the speed of your mouse you encrease by the program that is basic in windwos(for example)`
`14:49.45`	`Pimpinella`	`yeah, we had that discussion before...`
`14:49.46`	`Tupone`	`the game was not thought for those things`
`14:49.54`	`TheRedBaron`	`oh`
`14:50.01`	`TheRedBaron`	`so accuse those who use it of cheating?`
`14:50.03`	`Tupone`	`someone does not like, someone does it`
`14:50.11`	`TheRedBaron`	`due to a failure of devs? nice`
`14:50.23`	`Grumbler`	`easy there cowboy`
`14:50.35`	`Birdie`	`the ones that dont like it shouldnt use it`
`14:50.35`	`Pimpinella`	`nah, it's no failture, it's a missing feature`
`14:50.36`	`Chestal`	`Tupone: hmm, I am skeptical if this new check is good`
`14:50.46`	`Chestal`	`I suppose with the default value it does no harm`
`14:50.54`	`Tupone`	`we have to test it`
`14:51.06`	`Pimpinella`	`yeah`
`14:51.13`	`Chestal`	`there already is a setting for inertia on the server`
`14:51.17`	`creeperz`	`on animals`
`14:51.27`	`Chestal`	`IMHO if it is set to 0, infinite acceleration should be allowed`
`14:51.32`	`Pimpinella`	`couldn't we just use -a to limit accel?`
`14:51.33`	`Tupone`	`Chestal: is there a check on that?`
`14:51.53`	`Chestal`	`Tupone: no idea, I am not a fan of the current server-side checks anyway`
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`14:52.16`	`Chestal`	`one must be _very_ careful to not affect the innocent`
`14:52.35`	`slukilla`	`good morning all`
`14:52.37`	`Tupone`	`neither I. And I don't know if this check work. Just I'm going away for the day and want to give who requested, the opportunity to make some check`
`14:52.44`	`Pimpinella`	`Chestal: but what are the alternatives?`
`14:52.49`	`Pimpinella`	`no check?`
`14:53.26`	`slukilla`	`i have a server/map question`
`14:53.34`	`Pimpinella`	`~ask`
`14:53.34`	`ibot`	`i heard ask is Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. Remember, we're all volunteers. Please don't /msg people without permission. See also http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html`
`14:53.56`	`Pimpinella`	`;)`
`14:54.20`	`Tupone`	`I wanted to put a limit on the client, but that require a protocol change. SO I was waiting for that. Buut then I got some pressure and did this not so strict test`
`14:54.58`	`TheRedBaron`	`~whaleslap grumbler for starting a war`
`14:54.58`	`ibot`	`ACTION slaps grumbler for starting a war upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh`
`14:54.59`	`Pimpinella`	`Tupone: as long as it's optional i totallyagree`
`14:55.15`	`Chestal`	`Tupone: will this not kick bots and ROger on servers which lower the threshold?`
`14:55.32`	`Chestal`	`why should players not be allowed to chaneg speed as fast as bots`
`14:56.15`	`slukilla`	`~ask if i use the zone object on a map i mad to make it so that noone can spawn on a "death area", how can i make it so the auto kick does not show up?`
`14:56.17`	`Tupone`	`dunno, I'll put inertia on those too, but next breaking release`
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`14:56.35`	`Chestal`	`the inertia setting is a different thing`
`14:56.43`	`Chestal`	`that is ok, mayeb checks can be added if necessary`
`14:56.48`	`Chestal`	`but by default, it is set to 0`
`14:56.54`	`Chestal`	`so infinite acceleration should be allowed`
`14:57.07`	`Tupone`	`you are allowed to change the code :) I should go now, cu later`
`14:57.53`	`Pimpinella`	`slukilla: autokick for what?`
`14:58.48`	`slukilla`	`my server kicks the player if he respawns in my no spaw zone. Thats no good`
`14:59.22`	`slukilla`	`I want the player to spawn someware else`
`14:59.43`	`Pimpinella`	`hm, if its a no spawn zone, why would then spwn there?`
`14:59.48`	`Pimpinella`	`ic`
`15:00.34`	`slukilla`	`it should not spawn there at all, but it does. and then they are kicked`
`15:00.49`	`Pimpinella`	`hm`
`15:00.50`	`slukilla`	`i used the zone object in my map`
`15:01.08`	`slukilla`	`i dont have any settings in my server file`
`15:01.18`	`slukilla`	`u know spawing settings`
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`15:01.39`	`jpa_`	`humm`
`15:01.53`	`jpa_`	`do you have -sb?`
`15:01.56`	`bryjen`	`"no spawn zone" ?`
`15:02.07`	`Pimpinella`	`give us your zone definition plz (in pastbin if it's more than 5 lines`
`15:02.41`	`slukilla`	`um, all i have is a little bit of code in the world file`
`15:02.54`	`Pimpinella`	`yeah exactly`
`15:03.01`	`jpa_`	`slukilla: where is your spawn area? on ground or on a building?`
`15:03.01`	`slukilla`	`zone name example_zone position 330.0 500.0 0.0 # Where is the zone? size 330.0 500.0 1.0 # The size of the zone rotation 0.0 # The rotation of the zone #flag GM SW good bad # where flag may spawn team 0 # where players may spawn safety 1 2 3 4 # dropped team flags will fly to the closest safety zone end`
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`15:03.32`	`bryjen`	`i know you can specify where tanks _may_ spawn, but i don't think you can make a zone that says "don't spawn here"`
`15:03.44`	`bryjen`	`team 0 = rogue`
`15:03.47`	`slukilla`	`on ground`
`15:04.05`	`slukilla`	`oh`
`15:04.30`	`slukilla`	`well, i geuss an area for spawing would be ideal`
`15:04.38`	`slukilla`	`do u know the code?`
`15:05.03`	`jpa_`	`just like yours is..`
`15:05.22`	`jpa_`	`except maybe team 0 1 2 3 4`
`15:05.26`	`Pimpinella`	`just alter the position to where you want it`
`15:05.37`	`bryjen`	`to get a "no spawn" area, you'd go about it backwards, cover the rest of the map with spawn zones, leaving out the "no spawn" area`
`15:05.43`	`Pimpinella`	`or different zones for different teams`
`15:05.53`	`slukilla`	`so if i do the zone thing they will only spaw in that zone`
`15:06.06`	`bryjen`	`yes`
`15:06.11`	`slukilla`	`wow`
`15:06.16`	`slukilla`	`thank u`
`15:06.20`	`bryjen`	`but you can have multiple zones`
`15:06.23`	`A-Delusion`	`I got with jeff and he fixed it for me, bye`
`15:06.27`	`_Manu_`	`A-Delusion, I'm also moderator ad Mofo forum`
`15:06.36`	`bryjen`	`it will pick one at random based on the team`
`15:06.43`	`_Manu_`	`probably he made some moderators wrongly`
`15:06.47`	`Pimpinella`	`btw. are your players (if they spawn in your death zone) dropped from high altitude?`
`15:06.56`	`slukilla`	`no`
`15:06.58`	`A-Delusion`	`really, is there any way to find out who started the editing war`
`15:07.16`	`Pimpinella`	`but kicked emediately off the server?`
`15:07.21`	`A-Delusion`	`n holey tank or rotting flesh`
`15:07.25`	`RPG_`	`everyone is moderator at the mofo forum`
`15:07.29`	`RPG_`	`i think it was rotting flesh`
`15:07.36`	`slukilla`	`oh ya one more thing`
`15:07.38`	`A-Delusion`	`nso do i`
`15:08.02`	`RPG_`	`a-d: matches right to your BZ-mail inbox, right?`
`15:08.20`	`A-Delusion`	`yes`
`15:08.24`	`_Manu_`	`A-Delusion, dunno if is there any logs for it, but probably yes`
`15:08.35`	`slukilla`	`i came acrose this place by accident, is it apropreat that i ask questions here? or is it reserved for delopment?`
`15:08.42`	`RPG_`	`_Manu_: no logs on phpBB unless you install the logs mod.`
`15:09.00`	`A-Delusion`	`nthey both say the other started it, i'd like to punish the right one`
`15:09.11`	`RPG_`	`80% rotting`
`15:09.16`	`RPG_`	`he was all pissy and stuff`
`15:09.47`	`RPG_`	`he was under fire for makign his post a sticky, so he figured "what the hell, i'ma do some damage to these peabrains"`
`15:10.09`	`A-Delusion`	`I'm like 99 percent rotting flesh did it, but he says holey edited his first`
`15:10.26`	`RPG_`	`is rotting an admin/cop at mofo?`
`15:10.47`	`slukilla`	`well thanks for the help, i better go and stop all my player from hating me`
`15:10.54`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`15:10.56`	`RPG_`	`cya`
`15:11.03`	`A-Delusion`	`no, he's the minimal .STFU, should only give him the right to post, that's it.`
`15:11.41`	`A-Delusion`	`jeff says he fixed it, i gotta go test it out...`
`15:15.47`	`A-Delusion`	`RPG, test the forum editing for me now please, you should not be able to.`
`15:16.21`	`_Manu_`	`seems it's fixed`
`15:16.48`	`RPG_`	`cnat do it`
`15:19.10`	`A-Delusion`	`great`
`15:19.20`	`RPG_`	`but CBG has a pretty "bad" post`
`15:19.25`	`RPG_`	`that he coudln't edit back yet`
`15:19.28`	`RPG_`	`a-d can you ediT?`
`15:19.49`	`A-Delusion`	`I still can edit posts there, whats the thread?`
`15:19.51`	`RPG_`	`CBG: Some kind of arrangement that favors homose*uals like me.`
`15:20.00`	`RPG_`	`the WHICH ARRANGEMENT OF TEAMS AND PLAYERS....`
`15:20.02`	`RPG_`	`2nd post`
`15:20.13`	`RPG_`	`i quoted him on his original message, give him that`
`15:20.22`	`A-Delusion`	`ok got it, i hope we dont have to go thru every last post on the forum`
`15:20.35`	`RPG_`	`btw, what did he edit vader's post with?`
`15:20.46`	`A-Delusion`	`I saw one from tropic too, that got edited`
`15:20.54`	`RPG_`	`oooh thread?`
`15:21.28`	`A-Delusion`	`read 'em all, i'll fix em later`
`15:22.18`	`A-Delusion`	`mostly homosexual stuff, holey may be punished as well`
`15:22.49`	`RPG_`	`http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4568`
`15:22.55`	`RPG_`	`don't know what to make of that`
`15:44.46`	`RPG_`	`in:`
`15:44.47`	`RPG_`	`bz_addURLJob ( const char* URL, bz_URLHandler* handler )`
`15:44.47`	`RPG_`	`why would you need a handler?`
`15:44.56`	`RPG_`	`don't you just send the URL and be done with it?`
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`15:53.56`	`RPG_`	`in:`
`15:53.56`	`RPG_`	`bz_addURLJob ( const char* URL, bz_URLHandler* handler )`
`15:53.56`	`RPG_`	`why would you need a handler?`
`15:53.56`	`RPG_`	`don't you just send the URL and be done with it?`
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`16:07.36`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, so you can actualy DO something with the data`
`16:07.49`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, what would it do with the data returned from the URL?`
`16:07.58`	`RPG_`	`give it to you via the callback`
`16:08.03`	`JeffM2501`	`bingo`
`16:08.12`	`JeffM2501`	`that is why you need the handler`
`16:08.28`	`JeffM2501`	`so there is a callback to give it to you thru`
`16:10.35`	`JeffM2501`	`now would you want it to be optional? for jobs where you don't care about the return, like posting a match?`
`16:11.00`	`RPG_`	`yes`
`16:11.04`	`RPG_`	`read my mind`
`16:13.18`	`RPG_`	`and can you POST though addURLjob?`
`16:13.43`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`16:13.56`	`RPG_`	`any way to POST though the API? otherwise i'll GET`
`16:14.47`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
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`16:15.12`	`JeffM2501`	`unless tupys cURLManager supports it`
`16:15.33`	`Ice_Wewe`	`how do I make an object in my map transparent, if thats even possible`
`16:15.34`	`RPG_`	`theres only 3 cURL functiosn for the API`
`16:15.40`	`RPG_`	`ice:it's possible`
`16:15.45`	`RPG_`	`color 0 0 0 0`
`16:15.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`RPG_ is it hard?`
`16:15.50`	`RPG_`	`that's invisible`
`16:15.57`	`RPG_`	`the 4th number is alpha channel`
`16:16.07`	`RPG_`	`100 would be opaque, 0 would be transparent, 50 would be half/half`
`16:16.12`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, I didn't mean the API URL manager, I meant the internal URL manager that the API is wraping up`
`16:16.17`	`RPG_`	`oh`
`16:16.26`	`blast007`	`setHTTPPostMode() in cURLManager`
`16:16.30`	`Ice_Wewe`	`so "color 50" would be translucent?`
`16:16.35`	`*** join/#bzflag ep (n=ep@ip68-97-122-98.ok.ok.cox.net)`
`16:16.37`	`RPG_`	`no, color 0 0 0 50 would be`
`16:16.42`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ty`
`16:16.43`	`RPG_`	`you have to have 4 numbers`
`16:16.46`	`JeffM2501`	`blast007, I say eww`
`16:16.49`	`RPG_`	`the first 3 are RGB values`
`16:16.54`	`RPG_`	`from 0 to 100`
`16:17.06`	`RPG_`	`so 0 0 0 50 would be black and slightly transparent`
`16:17.11`	`JeffM2501`	`I so hate the way he did his manager`
`16:17.20`	`RPG_`	`100 100 100 50 would be white and semi-trnas`
`16:17.44`	`blast007`	`hmm, or maybe cURLManager::setPostMode(std::string _postData)`
`16:17.44`	`RPG_`	`ice: hold up on that`
`16:17.51`	`Ice_Wewe`	`/home/ice/bzfed-0.1/wewen_3.bzw: warning (line 406): unknown object parameter "color" - skipping`
`16:17.52`	`*** join/#bzflag CBG (n=CBG@cpc2-stme1-5-1-cust173.cdif.cable.ntl.com)`
`16:17.56`	`JeffM2501`	`blast007, I'll bet it's both`
`16:18.02`	`JeffM2501`	`blast007, and I'll say double EWW`
`16:18.16`	`blast007`	`Ice_Wewe, you have to do a material with 'color', and then assign the material to the object`
`16:18.34`	`blast007`	`also think that materials only work on mesh objects`
`16:18.40`	`TheRedBaron`	`JeffM2501: [10:54] <Tupone> you are allowed to change the code :) I should go now, cu later`
`16:18.57`	`JeffM2501`	`ever time I change the code he gets all pissy`
`16:19.53`	`bryjen`	`that was in a discussion with Chestal about something else`
`16:19.57`	`*** join/#bzflag ibunny (n=alex@pdpc/supporter/active/jolie)`
`16:20.25`	`ibunny`	`hi`
`16:20.30`	`TheRedBaron`	`that was when i signed off`
`16:20.31`	`CBG`	`hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii`
`16:20.40`	`ibunny`	`cbg cbg <3<3`
`16:20.45`	`TheRedBaron`	`i mean when he signed off.`
`16:20.51`	`JeffM2501`	`I can make it work, but it's just ugly wraper code that he should support internaly anyway :)`
`16:21.46`	`CBG`	`~spell wraper`
`16:22.43`	`JeffM2501`	`shuddup`
`16:23.16`	`JeffM2501`	`it's redudnant, I'm just compresing the language for ease of transimition, perhaps you need to update your unpack tools.`
`16:23.25`	`JeffM2501`	`ibunny, I didn't shave today`
`16:23.29`	`blast007`	`it would be nice if you set the URL, then assigned variables for the url`
`16:23.31`	`blast007`	`and then picked if you wanted to send it as POST or GET`
`16:23.31`	`CBG`	`Eugh.`
`16:23.46`	`bryjen`	`aw, you mean JeffM2501's not violating Tupone's code? Who'd've thunk ;)`
`16:24.18`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't feel like redoing it toatly ( yet )`
`16:24.19`	`blast007`	`lol`
`16:24.31`	`blast007`	`JeffM2501, yeah`
`16:24.37`	`JeffM2501`	`I mean what kind of manager only does ONE job, and you make more then one manager to do more then one job`
`16:24.45`	`CBG`	`Ach, bryjen is right. My little sibling was typing then. ;)`
`16:25.01`	`RPG_`	`jeffm: can you commit a small change to make the callback function in addURLJob optional?`
`16:25.21`	`bryjen`	`hrm`
`16:25.30`	`bryjen`	`~spell beaurocracy`
`16:25.42`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, you'll have to test for me ok?`
`16:25.47`	`RPG_`	`always`
`16:35.56`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): add ability for the URL job to support HTTP post`
`16:36.11`	`RPG_`	`cool`
`16:36.29`	`blast007`	`:)`
`16:36.40`	`RPG_`	`what about optional callback?`
`16:36.49`	`JeffM2501`	`what about it?`
`16:37.03`	`RPG_`	`can you make it so that the handler is optional?`
`16:37.15`	`JeffM2501`	`oh I guess cia missed it`
`16:37.21`	`JeffM2501`	`dude that is soo 25 min ago`
`16:37.36`	`RPG_`	`hehe`
`16:37.56`	`RPG_`	`how could cia mis something so important?`
`16:37.57`	`CBG`	`Well, that was 5 mins before I joined, fill me in on all the details! :P`
`16:38.09`	`JeffM2501`	`ibot logs`
`16:38.09`	`ibot`	`extra, extra, read all about it, logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz`
`16:38.14`	`JeffM2501`	`there ya go skip`
`16:38.35`	`blast007`	`except those don't update until the end of the day, iirc ;)`
`16:38.57`	`CBG`	`todays logs wont be up for like 10 hours or so yet...`
`16:39.00`	`JeffM2501`	`he can read the old logs, and extrapolate a conclusion based on the delta state changes`
`16:39.05`	`CBG`	`yeah, as blast007 said...`
`16:39.14`	`CBG`	`delta state changes? haha`
`16:40.08`	`JeffM2501`	`the simplest extrapolation would be 'Jeff did the change rpg wanted like wicked fast"`
`16:40.32`	`CBG`	`Wow. Really?`
`16:40.32`	`RPG_`	`CIA was just sleeping when it happened`
`16:40.50`	`RPG_`	`is there set times of the day when CVS drops?`
`16:41.21`	`CBG`	`every 5 hours, iirc.`
`16:41.27`	`RPG_`	`but set times....`
`16:41.32`	`*** join/#bzflag wegstar (n=foo@allegro/user/wegstar)`
`16:41.36`	`RPG_`	`so the API can do POST now?`
`16:41.48`	`RPG_`	`i'm writing the PHP end of the program nwo`
`16:41.51`	`JeffM2501`	`no there are not set times`
`16:42.19`	`JeffM2501`	`you can try, if you fill in the postData string it'll tell the cURL manager to use it as post data, if it's empty it does it as get`
`16:42.35`	`JeffM2501`	`I have no way to test it`
`16:42.39`	`RPG_`	`postData?`
`16:42.47`	`JeffM2501`	`and no clue how tupone did the manager`
`16:42.49`	`JeffM2501`	`yes postData`
`16:42.54`	`JeffM2501`	`new paramater to the URL function`
`16:42.57`	`RPG_`	`you mean give it to the funcion`
`16:42.58`	`RPG_`	`oh`
`16:42.59`	`RPG_`	`ok`
`16:43.00`	`JeffM2501`	`oh and that bumped API version`
`16:43.04`	`RPG_`	`hehe`
`16:44.58`	`RPG_`	`bumping always gives me work`
`16:45.47`	`JeffM2501`	`techcincaly all you have to do is rebuild`
`16:45.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I made the inteface compatable`
`16:46.00`	`RPG_`	`huh`
`16:46.03`	`JeffM2501`	`the default passes in NULL for the postData`
`16:46.05`	`RPG_`	`i'ma just ace the handler`
`16:46.17`	`JeffM2501`	`you can't "ace" it`
`16:46.19`	`RPG_`	`i'll make sure to change that`
`16:46.20`	`JeffM2501`	`pass in NULL`
`16:46.22`	`RPG_`	`k`
`16:46.33`	`RPG_`	`oh, since postdata is third param. and handler is second`
`16:46.39`	`JeffM2501`	`yes`
`16:46.48`	`JeffM2501`	`I didn't do a default param for the handaler`
`16:46.55`	`JeffM2501`	`so you have to specify it`
`16:47.14`	`RPG_`	`you mean with NULL, rihgt`
`16:47.39`	`JeffM2501`	`NULL is a valid value for that pointer`
`16:47.54`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: default handler for URLs to NULL`
`16:48.04`	`RPG_`	`cool`
`16:48.06`	`RPG_`	`it woke up`
`16:48.08`	`RPG_`	`brb`
`16:49.35`	`JeffM2501`	`umm you know anon CVS has 5 hours to update right?`
`16:49.41`	`RPG_`	`yep`
`16:49.48`	`RPG_`	`thats y im' working on the pHP part`
`16:50.25`	`meacan`	`RPG_: what are you making?`
`16:50.35`	`RPG_`	`a match reporting plugin`
`16:50.46`	`RPG_`	`it sends the match report over HTTP to a php script , which BZMails it to a league admi9n`
`16:51.06`	`meacan`	`hehe, seems a few people had that idea :)`
`16:51.18`	`JeffM2501`	`tis the primary reason I made plugins`
`16:51.29`	`wegstar`	`:)`
`16:51.40`	`meacan`	`RPG_: could you add stats too? (who played and their score?)`
`16:52.09`	`meacan`	`RPG_: like player/team/duration/score`
`16:52.10`	`RPG_`	`it already does htat`
`16:52.12`	`RPG_`	`yep`
`16:52.15`	`RPG_`	`player, e-mail, score`
`16:52.21`	`RPG_`	`then for teams, wins/losses/score`
`16:53.47`	`RPG_`	`jeffm: any luck on registering a new /set variable?`
`16:55.26`	`RPG_`	`sample report:`
`16:55.28`	`RPG_`	`Below is a list of players:`
`16:55.28`	`RPG_`	`-----`
`16:55.28`	`RPG_`	`Callsign: RPG`
`16:55.28`	`RPG_`	`E-mail: www.garrettsites.net`
`16:55.28`	`RPG_`	`Team: Blue`
`16:55.29`	`RPG_`	`-----`
`16:55.33`	`JeffM2501`	`I haven't done it yet RPG_`
`16:55.36`	`RPG_`	`k`
`16:55.42`	`JeffM2501`	`you didn't post it`
`16:55.47`	`RPG_`	`ahhh`
`16:57.49`	`JeffM2501`	`there are also now API/plugin categorys in the sf bug tracker`
`16:58.11`	`RPG_`	`http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=47345`
`16:58.12`	`JeffM2501`	`they are auto asigned to me, I hope noone minds`
`16:58.12`	`RPG_`	`oh`
`16:58.18`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`16:58.33`	`RPG_`	`but that's bug tracker; not RFE`
`16:59.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I know`
`16:59.34`	`JeffM2501`	`but I made a group for needed API functions`
`16:59.35`	`RPG_`	`is there an API RFE?`
`16:59.39`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`16:59.44`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd like to keep them with bugs for now`
`17:00.09`	`JeffM2501`	`because they are not really new features, just exposing existing features`
`17:00.25`	`JeffM2501`	`so it kind of is a "bug" in the API design, not really somone asking for a new feature.`
`17:03.17`	`RPG_`	`with the cURL POST function, will it be able to post more than 1 value?`
`17:04.28`	`JeffM2501`	`I dono`
`17:05.01`	`JeffM2501`	`I would asume the string is a list of params`
`17:05.10`	`JeffM2501`	`seperated by what, I'm not sure`
`17:05.14`	`JeffM2501`	`let me see how tupone uses it.`
`17:06.37`	`JeffM2501`	`it's an & delmited list`
`17:06.55`	`RPG_`	`so "redscore=score&bluescore=score"`
`17:07.04`	`RPG_`	`k`
`17:07.05`	`JeffM2501`	`msg += "&advertgroups=";`
`17:07.05`	`JeffM2501`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:07.05`	`JeffM2501`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:07.05`	`JeffM2501`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:07.08`	`JeffM2501`	`that's what the list server does`
`17:07.24`	`RPG_`	`and it POSTS?'`
`17:07.27`	`RPG_`	`i thought it was all GET`
`17:07.30`	`JeffM2501`	`that is passed into the post`
`17:07.32`	`JeffM2501`	`not anymore`
`17:07.36`	`RPG_`	`ahh`
`17:07.39`	`JeffM2501`	`list server can do post OR get`
`17:09.22`	`RPG_`	`do you think it's smart to allow a match to be started by anyone?`
`17:10.27`	`menotume`	`err, is there a question about advertisegroups ?`
`17:10.40`	`RPG_`	`no`
`17:10.41`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`17:10.45`	`menotume`	`k :)`
`17:10.53`	`JeffM2501`	`just an example of posting params`
`17:10.55`	`RPG_`	`halloucinating?`
`17:11.55`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ok, who programmed bzfs, cause it keeps banning me!`
`17:12.01`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`17:12.03`	`RPG_`	`that sucks`
`17:12.06`	`Ice_Wewe`	`yea`
`17:12.19`	`RPG_`	`a pulgin that bans the admin...h.mmmmmm`
`17:12.34`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, who does it say does the ban?`
`17:13.38`	`Ice_Wewe`	`"Player has been banned"`
`17:13.44`	`Ice_Wewe`	`no one`
`17:13.56`	`Ice_Wewe`	`"SERVER: Player has been banned"`
`17:14.04`	`JeffM2501`	`your client should say the ban and ban reason when it exits`
`17:14.34`	`Ice_Wewe`	`no`
`17:14.36`	`Ice_Wewe`	`no reason`
`17:14.40`	`ToughShooter`	`That's not always the case (e.g. secretplace server)`
`17:14.44`	`JeffM2501`	`you have a ban file?`
`17:14.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`no`
`17:14.53`	`JeffM2501`	`is your server plubilc?`
`17:14.56`	`Ice_Wewe`	`no`
`17:15.02`	`JeffM2501`	`do you have any plugins?`
`17:15.04`	`Ice_Wewe`	`no`
`17:15.21`	`JeffM2501`	`can you show us your server config?`
`17:15.25`	`Ice_Wewe`	`yes`
`17:15.29`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I'll pastebin it`
`17:15.33`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`17:15.41`	`JeffM2501`	`also what is your IP`
`17:16.03`	`*** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (n=david@debian/developer/dbharris)`
`17:16.21`	`RPG_`	`~whois Ice_Wewe`
`17:16.22`	`Ice_Wewe`	`http://pastebin.ca/19811`
`17:16.26`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Grrr`
`17:16.39`	`Ice_Wewe`	`RPG_ lol`
`17:16.48`	`RPG_`	`it gives me the IP`
`17:16.57`	`Ice_Wewe`	`~whois Ice_Wewe`
`17:17.08`	`Ice_Wewe`	`eh? it doesn't work for me`
`17:17.11`	`RPG_`	`me neighet`
`17:17.14`	`_Manu_`	`heh`
`17:17.24`	`JeffM2501`	`it won't show in this channel`
`17:17.25`	`RPG_`	`~dns ppp-216-106-101-229.storm.ca`
`17:17.28`	`JeffM2501`	`it shows in your main system`
`17:17.30`	`RPG_`	`just to make sure`
`17:17.42`	`_Manu_`	`just simply do: /whois name`
`17:17.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`there is a firewall, and that computer is not mine`
`17:17.56`	`JeffM2501`	`well it's not a masterban thing`
`17:18.19`	`JeffM2501`	`config looks prety generic`
`17:18.43`	`Ice_Wewe`	`look at the admin password, I don't care, its the only thing I use it for`
`17:19.01`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, bzfs was made by many people, there is no code in there that just randomly bans people`
`17:19.10`	`JeffM2501`	`I'd try running with no config`
`17:19.11`	`Ice_Wewe`	`lol`
`17:19.17`	`JeffM2501`	`see how that goes`
`17:19.33`	`Ice_Wewe`	`"Player has been banned"`
`17:19.35`	`JeffM2501`	`are you runing code from like a release? or cvs? or do you have any patches?`
`17:19.54`	`RPG_`	`take a screnie`
`17:20.15`	`RPG_`	`did the BZ_OBSERVERs constant change?`
`17:20.17`	`JeffM2501`	`don't need a screeny`
`17:20.19`	`Ice_Wewe`	`CVS`
`17:20.31`	`JeffM2501`	`the message comes from the "filter" section`
`17:20.37`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm looking to see what could set the filter`
`17:20.52`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh, it's a bad call sign thing`
`17:20.57`	`Ice_Wewe`	`eh?`
`17:20.57`	`JeffM2501`	`what callsign are you using`
`17:21.01`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Ice WEwe`
`17:21.04`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Ice Wewe`
`17:21.16`	`Ice_Wewe`	`it'll do it with any callsign, want to see a screeny?`
`17:21.16`	`JeffM2501`	`let me see where we set the filter`
`17:21.24`	`JeffM2501`	`no I don't want a screeny`
`17:21.28`	`JeffM2501`	`I belive you`
`17:21.33`	`JeffM2501`	`just hold on for a sec`
`17:23.00`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: no longer const`
`17:23.09`	`*** part/#bzflag ibunny (n=alex@pdpc/supporter/active/jolie)`
`17:23.11`	`JeffM2501`	`what isn't const?`
`17:23.20`	`RPG_`	`yes what? i use constants alot`
`17:23.34`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/functions.html: no longer const`
`17:25.51`	`JeffM2501`	`the filter isn't even inited`
`17:25.54`	`JeffM2501`	`that's lame`
`17:26.02`	`Pimpinella`	`BZF_API bool bz_saveRecBuf( char * _filename, int seconds);`
`17:26.10`	`JeffM2501`	`why isn't it const?`
`17:26.16`	`Pimpinella`	`was const char* _filename before`
`17:26.20`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it should be`
`17:26.23`	`JeffM2501`	`it should NEVER change`
`17:26.40`	`JeffM2501`	`const is good`
`17:26.41`	`Pimpinella`	`_filename edits it`
`17:26.47`	`Pimpinella`	`eh...`
`17:26.47`	`JeffM2501`	`NO NO`
`17:26.49`	`JeffM2501`	`that is bad`
`17:26.51`	`JeffM2501`	`bad bad bad`
`17:26.59`	`RPG_`	`lart it!`
`17:27.04`	`JeffM2501`	`you can't do that on windows`
`17:27.09`	`Pimpinella`	`ic`
`17:27.09`	`RPG_`	`eep`
`17:27.11`	`JeffM2501`	`the memory may come from a STL string`
`17:27.24`	`Pimpinella`	`ic`
`17:27.26`	`Chestal`	`no, it can't`
`17:27.27`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I'm on linux, if that helps anything`
`17:27.31`	`Chestal`	`compielr would not allow it`
`17:27.33`	`JeffM2501`	`and you didn't own that memory`
`17:27.48`	`JeffM2501`	`Chestal, if somone freaky cast`
`17:27.53`	`JeffM2501`	`leave it const`
`17:27.57`	`Chestal`	`JeffM2501: well, then it's his fault :-)`
`17:27.59`	`JeffM2501`	`if you need to edit it COPY it`
`17:28.01`	`JeffM2501`	`chest`
`17:28.06`	`JeffM2501`	`then leave it const`
`17:28.16`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I didn't edit the code`
`17:28.21`	`Pimpinella`	`i'll revert it later`
`17:28.37`	`Pimpinella`	`gt run now`
`17:28.46`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, I think it's bug`
`17:29.04`	`Ice_Wewe`	`well then how come no one else has had this problen`
`17:29.08`	`JeffM2501`	`dono`
`17:29.09`	`Ice_Wewe`	`problem*`
`17:29.13`	`JeffM2501`	`I am looking at the code now`
`17:29.18`	`JeffM2501`	`the filter is wierd`
`17:29.20`	`Ice_Wewe`	`hmm, well its happened to me a lot before`
`17:29.26`	`Ice_Wewe`	`A LOT!`
`17:29.28`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't see where it's inited`
`17:29.41`	`JeffM2501`	`ok, so maybe it's related to your system`
`17:29.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I dono`
`17:29.46`	`Ice_Wewe`	`now that I think about it, recompiling was the only thing that fixed it`
`17:29.46`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm trying to help you`
`17:29.52`	`JeffM2501`	`I can stop helping you if you want.`
`17:30.03`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Jeff, no please, continue`
`17:30.28`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Jeff, I don't think that its related to my OS, this happened to me on FC2, FC3, and Mandrake (present)`
`17:30.30`	`JeffM2501`	`I think somone added the filter and didn't finish it`
`17:30.35`	`Ice_Wewe`	`on 2 different computers`
`17:30.42`	`JeffM2501`	`and it's using some garbage values`
`17:31.06`	`*** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`17:32.04`	`JeffM2501`	`Chestal, the reason I make them all const is so that people can use them from std::strings and the compiler dosn't complain. Windows has problems when one module does stuff with ram it didn't allocate. so if he needs to pass back a string, I have a class just for that.`
`17:32.21`	`Chestal`	`JeffM2501: yes, I agree with making it const, was just commenting on the .c_str() thing`
`17:32.30`	`JeffM2501`	`I see people cast it ALL the time`
`17:32.31`	`Chestal`	`non-const char*-pointers are evil`
`17:32.46`	`JeffM2501`	`in this case they'd allmost have to cast it, because they'd think it was a mistake`
`17:32.47`	`JeffM2501`	`that they are`
`17:32.56`	`Chestal`	`sadly, C++ allows to pass string literals to them because of a special rule for backwards compatibility`
`17:32.56`	`JeffM2501`	`I wish I could pass in std::string refs`
`17:32.58`	`JeffM2501`	`maybe in VC8`
`17:33.20`	`Ice_Wewe`	`brb`
`17:34.19`	`JeffM2501`	`hmmm`
`17:34.21`	`menotume`	`tmi`
`17:34.22`	`JeffM2501`	`it auto loads a file`
`17:34.24`	`JeffM2501`	`that's not good`
`17:34.39`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll bet he has a "filter.txt" in his working dir`
`17:34.52`	`JeffM2501`	`that's scary`
`17:34.55`	`JeffM2501`	`it's AUTO loaded`
`17:35.05`	`bryjen`	`and a hard-coded name`
`17:35.11`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`17:35.12`	`JeffM2501`	`and path`
`17:36.08`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm making it only do it if filtercallsigns is set`
`17:36.20`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, do you have a file called "filter.txt" in your bzfs dir?`
`17:36.31`	`Chestal`	`or filterChat?`
`17:36.39`	`Chestal`	`same word list I assume?`
`17:36.49`	`JeffM2501`	`Chestal, this filter is only on callsigns on addplayer`
`17:36.51`	`bryjen`	`its not that, it's an IP based thing. filterCallsigns and filterChat are brlcad's regexstuff`
`17:37.00`	`JeffM2501`	`the chat is allready set for a command line swap`
`17:37.35`	`JeffM2501`	`so you think addPlayer dosn't need the callsign filter?`
`17:38.15`	`JeffM2501`	`the only place "Player has been banned" is in that reject player part of addPlayer`
`17:38.19`	`JeffM2501`	`and it's not even a ban`
`17:38.24`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a kick`
`17:38.34`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, you there?`
`17:38.36`	`bryjen`	`i donno. i'm not sure what this filter is supposed to accomplish that the regex-naught-word and banfile don't do`
`17:38.43`	`Ice_Wewe`	`yea`
`17:38.50`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, it dosn't let them even join`
`17:38.54`	`Ice_Wewe`	`let me check`
`17:38.58`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, do you have a file called filter.txt`
`17:39.06`	`Chestal`	`IIRC there are some rules for strange characters etc.`
`17:39.13`	`Ice_Wewe`	`in "bzflag" as in the source?`
`17:39.25`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, no, in your bzfs dir where you are running your binary from`
`17:39.36`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ummm, I don't know where that is`
`17:39.42`	`bryjen`	`that's what the banfile is for (and that is checked right below that filter thing)`
`17:39.43`	`JeffM2501`	`you'll have to find it`
`17:40.00`	`JeffM2501`	`banfiles can't do name masks can they?`
`17:40.04`	`JeffM2501`	`for playername`
`17:40.44`	`bryjen`	`no, -banfile is IP addys and hostnames`
`17:40.48`	`Ice_Wewe`	`well I have "/home/ice/bzflag/src/bzfs/Filter.cxx/Filter.h" but no filter.txt`
`17:41.02`	`JeffM2501`	`it won't be in the src`
`17:41.14`	`Ice_Wewe`	`no I do not a file "filter.txt" on this computer for bzflag`
`17:41.21`	`Ice_Wewe`	`brb`
`17:41.21`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, this seems to be the only way to kick based on callsign`
`17:41.32`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, do you have one somewhere else?`
`17:41.44`	`bryjen`	`unless you make a callsign a bad word.... but that's hackish too`
`17:41.58`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`17:42.26`	`JeffM2501`	`so I'm gonna say that I'll tie it to filtercallsigns for now untill somone can come up with a better way :) just so it's not trasnperant`
`17:42.38`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Jeff, yes, for vim, and a kernel source`
`17:42.39`	`JeffM2501`	`or add a new CLI -disalowbadcallsigns`
`17:42.45`	`bryjen`	`the filter.txt example in the misc dir has "IP/mask callsign ALLOW\|DROP"`
`17:42.55`	`JeffM2501`	`wierd`
`17:43.00`	`bryjen`	`s/ALLOW/ACCEPT`
`17:43.04`	`JeffM2501`	`the fact that it's auto loaded is lame`
`17:43.27`	`Ice_Wewe`	`we need to keep track of who makes these things`
`17:43.48`	`Ice_Wewe`	`so we can go a pummel them later when their stuf' doesn't work`
`17:43.49`	`bryjen`	`so it's "don't allow this callsign from this address range"`
`17:44.03`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, that happens all the time, it's part of open source, no need to be mean`
`17:44.15`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Jeff, I was actually kidding`
`17:44.26`	`Ice_Wewe`	`so does this mean that I'll have to recompile?`
`17:44.33`	`bryjen`	`authorship is all tracked in cvs`
`17:44.36`	`JeffM2501`	`well if you can find the file it's pulling`
`17:44.41`	`JeffM2501`	`you can remove it`
`17:44.44`	`JeffM2501`	`how do you run bzfs?`
`17:44.59`	`Ice_Wewe`	`terminal:bzfs - conf /home/ice/bzflag/misc/bzfs.conf`
`17:45.00`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, yeah but tracking it down in the history is a ain`
`17:45.10`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, what dir are you in when you do that?`
`17:45.19`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Jeff, any`
`17:45.19`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, have at it then :)`
`17:45.32`	`JeffM2501`	`then I'll be the file is in your path or something for some reason`
`17:45.38`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Jeff, generally /home/ice/bzflag/misc`
`17:45.42`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm making a quick change that if you rebuild will fix it`
`17:45.53`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, does that folder have a filter.txt?`
`17:45.54`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: There and Back Again.`
`17:45.58`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Jeff, no`
`17:46.11`	`JeffM2501`	`Pimpinella, do you need to pass back a modified string?`
`17:46.17`	`Ice_Wewe`	`oh wait, I do`
`17:46.20`	`Ice_Wewe`	`nvm`
`17:46.22`	`JeffM2501`	`remove THAT file`
`17:46.35`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/functions.html: There and Back Again.`
`17:46.36`	`Ice_Wewe`	`and that will fix it?`
`17:46.43`	`JeffM2501`	`it will be a thing to try`
`17:46.47`	`JeffM2501`	`that's what I think it's loading`
`17:46.49`	`Ice_Wewe`	`so when ever it starts messing up again just delete that`
`17:46.50`	`bryjen`	`http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/src/bzfs/Filter.cxx?rev=2.1&view=log`
`17:46.54`	`Ice_Wewe`	`well what was in it?`
`17:47.01`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, I am also making a fix to cause it NOT to auto load it`
`17:47.06`	`Pimpinella`	`JeffM2501: i don't _need_ to, but that was my intention, yes`
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`17:47.14`	`Ice_Wewe`	`bryjen, download that?`
`17:47.16`	`bryjen`	`how should we know what's in it? its on your machine`
`17:47.32`	`Ice_Wewe`	`bryjen, well to late now, its in nevernever land`
`17:47.34`	`foo-on-fire`	`don't "official" games get logged by the 1vs1.pimpi.org:5160 server?`
`17:47.37`	`bryjen`	`Ice_Wewe: no, that's the history for that "feature"`
`17:47.46`	`Pimpinella`	`foo-on-fire: they do`
`17:47.54`	`JeffM2501`	`Pimpinella, then return a bzapistring`
`17:48.01`	`JeffM2501`	`with your modified string`
`17:48.13`	`Ice_Wewe`	`bryjen, which I am assuming means that if you do something it doesn't like that it puts your IP addr. in there and bans you`
`17:48.14`	`JeffM2501`	`or make them passin a bzapistring pointer`
`17:48.24`	`JeffM2501`	`that you fill out`
`17:49.07`	`foo-on-fire`	`Pimpinella: can i request the info of a match?`
`17:49.33`	`Ice_Wewe`	`succYESSSSSSSSSSSS`
`17:49.52`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: don't automacily load some secret hidden file for calsign filtering, unless we WANT to filter callsigns.`
`17:50.03`	`JeffM2501`	`and that fix will make it so it dosn't do it again unless you ask for it`
`17:50.20`	`Pimpinella`	`JeffM2501: ii'll look for it later, the bzapistring might be a good solution`
`17:50.20`	`JeffM2501`	`you were loading the sample filter`
`17:50.29`	`JeffM2501`	`Pimpinella, that is why it exists`
`17:50.42`	`Pimpinella`	`foo-on-fire: you can even rewiew the recorded match`
`17:50.56`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Jeff, so I just remove that file if I ever have a problem again>`
`17:50.58`	`Ice_Wewe`	`?*`
`17:51.04`	`foo-on-fire`	`Pimpinella: how can i do that?`
`17:51.19`	`Pimpinella`	`when was the match?`
`17:51.23`	`foo-on-fire`	`just now`
`17:51.24`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, once you rebuild, you won't have the problem`
`17:51.31`	`foo-on-fire`	`"a monkey" vs. "GiPeTo"`
`17:51.42`	`Pimpinella`	`go too pimpi.org:5159`
`17:51.54`	`foo-on-fire`	`it was played on the 5160 server`
`17:51.59`	`Pimpinella`	`/replay list`
`17:52.02`	`Ice_Wewe`	`cool`
`17:52.06`	`Ice_Wewe`	`bbl`
`17:52.10`	`Pimpinella`	`look for your match`
`17:52.14`	`foo-on-fire`	`ok`
`17:52.15`	`foo-on-fire`	`cool`
`17:52.21`	`foo-on-fire`	`that's such an awesome feature`
`17:52.30`	`Pimpinella`	`/replay load #filenumber`
`17:52.35`	`Pimpinella`	`recon`
`17:52.42`	`Pimpinella`	`/replay play`
`17:52.46`	`Pimpinella`	`watch`
`17:53.04`	`Pimpinella`	`foo-on-fire: ^^^^`
`17:53.23`	`Pimpinella`	`hope you got the last steps?`
`17:53.32`	`foo-on-fire`	`um`
`17:53.43`	`Pimpinella`	`k, now you got them`
`17:53.47`	`bryjen`	`there's no "save" code for that filter. the only way the file gets there is if you make one.`
`17:54.08`	`bryjen`	`or run bzfs in the misc dir where the sample one is.`
`17:54.31`	`JeffM2501`	`that is some lame lime design`
`17:54.46`	`JeffM2501`	`I think it needs it's own - command that takes a filtername`
`17:54.46`	`foo-on-fire`	`so i go back to the 1vs1 server, and type "/replay load #filenumber", "/replay play"?`
`17:55.04`	`Pimpinella`	`recon between`
`17:55.07`	`foo-on-fire`	`oh`
`17:55.08`	`Pimpinella`	`and 5159`
`17:55.12`	`Pimpinella`	`not 5160`
`17:55.16`	`foo-on-fire`	`with no slash in front?`
`17:55.39`	`Pimpinella`	`....recon means reconnect after load`
`17:55.49`	`foo-on-fire`	`oh`
`17:55.57`	`Pimpinella`	`or your client will die a horrible death`
`17:56.29`	`JeffM2501`	`Pimpinella, is the only reason to pass back the string is so you can filter the path?`
`17:56.44`	`bryjen`	`iirc, it was something tupone threw together to make up for some deficiency in banning or whitelisting`
`17:56.57`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, does not suprise me`
`17:57.04`	`JeffM2501`	`it's got that smell`
`17:57.06`	`JeffM2501`	`;)`
`17:57.16`	`Pimpinella`	`JeffM2501: the path is filtered in bz_saveRecBuf`
`17:57.27`	`JeffM2501`	`Pimpinella, I see that`
`17:57.36`	`JeffM2501`	`don't do it there, make them pass in a valid pathname`
`17:57.43`	`JeffM2501`	`and provide a generic filter function`
`17:57.44`	`Pimpinella`	`i want the filtered filename back to the plugin`
`17:57.57`	`JeffM2501`	`I know`
`17:58.01`	`JeffM2501`	`make the plugin filter it first`
`17:58.04`	`foo-on-fire`	`i get "Invalid file index"`
`17:58.09`	`JeffM2501`	`we asume that all input to the API is valid`
`17:58.28`	`JeffM2501`	`since the input comes from a dev class person, not a player user`
`17:58.36`	`JeffM2501`	`Pimpinella, I'm gonna make a small change for you`
`17:58.49`	`Pimpinella`	`sure, feel free to do so ;)`
`17:59.07`	`Pimpinella`	`we assume the plugin passes valit data?`
`17:59.09`	`Pimpinella`	`wow`
`17:59.13`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`17:59.22`	`JeffM2501`	`we don't check all input`
`17:59.38`	`JeffM2501`	`basicly it's the plugin's job to verify if the input is valid`
`17:59.46`	`JeffM2501`	`otherwise the API will get VERY clutered`
`17:59.58`	`JeffM2501`	`but I'm cool with providing fucntions to help them verify`
`18:00.11`	`foo-on-fire`	`Pimpinella: how do i know what the "valid file index" is?`
`18:00.12`	`JeffM2501`	`like your path filter may need to be used by other functions later`
`18:00.27`	`Pimpinella`	`foo-on-fire: read up , you had to start with /replay list ;)`
`18:00.36`	`Pimpinella`	`search for your file there`
`18:00.57`	`Pimpinella`	`use the number in front of your file in`
`18:01.34`	`Pimpinella`	`foo-on-fire: i'll join you there, wait a second..`
`18:01.46`	`foo-on-fire`	`oh`
`18:11.19`	`JeffM2501`	`dude Pimpinella you screwd up the API on that last checking`
`18:11.29`	`JeffM2501`	`you blew out API version chagnes, and all the changes I had made`
`18:11.31`	`JeffM2501`	`not cool`
`18:13.42`	`JeffM2501`	`and you didn't rool back the Cxx file`
`18:15.30`	`Pimpinella`	`i alway update before commit`
`18:15.32`	`JeffM2501`	`you rolled back to YOUR last change, not the last change`
`18:15.32`	`foo-on-fire`	`so now that i know the official score of the match, how do i report it to the league?`
`18:16.00`	`Pimpinella`	`tell Zongo`
`18:16.42`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx):`
`18:16.42`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: put the missing code back in.`
`18:16.43`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: make what should be const, const,`
`18:16.43`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: add filter function so plugins can get valid paths.`
`18:16.49`	`*** join/#bzflag blast007 (n=blast007@24-196-92-143.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com)`
`18:17.38`	`JeffM2501`	`it's all fixed now, so it's fine :)`
`18:17.55`	`JeffM2501`	`now the plugin can filter the path thru the API once and just use it filtered`
`18:18.39`	`Pimpinella`	`ty JeffM2501`
`18:18.51`	`JeffM2501`	`sure`
`18:19.04`	`JeffM2501`	`I'm just trying to keep the API clean`
`18:19.06`	`Pimpinella`	`i'm a lil under pressure, maybe i shouldn't mess on the code on such occasions`
`18:19.12`	`JeffM2501`	`even tho I spell things wrong :(`
`18:21.42`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501, is there going to be a version of BZFlag for the PSP?`
`18:21.57`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, I dono, are you going to write it?`
`18:22.24`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501, no, I was just wondering, there is BZFlag for PS2, GameCube, and ?Xbox?`
`18:22.32`	`JeffM2501`	`Ice_Wewe, no`
`18:22.37`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I just assumed that there would be for PSP`
`18:22.40`	`JeffM2501`	`why?`
`18:22.41`	`Ice_Wewe`	`I thought there was`
`18:22.44`	`JeffM2501`	`no there arn't`
`18:22.51`	`Ice_Wewe`	`was it a joke?`
`18:22.59`	`JeffM2501`	`people have said they'd do them, but they are usualy just full of hot air`
`18:23.03`	`bryjen`	`old April Fools joke that just won't die`
`18:23.03`	`JeffM2501`	`was what a joke?`
`18:23.03`	`Ice_Wewe`	`oh`
`18:23.05`	`blast007`	`yeah, it was for April Fools`
`18:23.08`	`JeffM2501`	`oh`
`18:23.10`	`JeffM2501`	`good lord!`
`18:23.19`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501, see why I was confused`
`18:23.23`	`JeffM2501`	`that was YEARS ago`
`18:23.32`	`JeffM2501`	`damn we musta done reall good on that`
`18:23.44`	`JeffM2501`	`there are no console ports`
`18:23.45`	`Ice_Wewe`	`well the PSP runs NetBSD, can BZFlag run on NetBSD?`
`18:23.46`	`JeffM2501`	`anywhere`
`18:23.54`	`JeffM2501`	`does the PSP have openGL?`
`18:23.58`	`Ice_Wewe`	`dunno`
`18:24.04`	`JeffM2501`	`OS dosn't mater`
`18:24.15`	`bryjen`	bzfsAPI.cxx:1260: warning: declaration of `postData' shadows a member of `this'
`18:24.16`	`JeffM2501`	`it's the GL services that hav allways been the limiting factor`
`18:24.25`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm`
`18:24.35`	`JeffM2501`	`this?`
`18:24.40`	`JeffM2501`	`wtf`
`18:24.47`	`Ice_Wewe`	`JeffM2501, cool, I'm gonna go back to retexturing my map`
`18:25.23`	`bryjen`	`class BZ_APIURLManager : cURLManager`
`18:25.29`	`JeffM2501`	`bahhh`
`18:25.33`	`JeffM2501`	`stupid thingy`
`18:25.40`	`bryjen`	`does cURLManager already have a postData`
`18:25.46`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah it does`
`18:25.48`	`JeffM2501`	`fixing`
`18:26.30`	`JeffM2501`	`yet another reason I don't like the fact that I have to derive off his actual manager, I pick up all his crud`
`18:27.27`	`JeffM2501`	`I should derive off a handler and he should just call me when he wants info, that way I don't see or know about curl`
`18:27.50`	`JeffM2501`	`and then the manager can really manage N connections`
`18:30.43`	`bryjen`	`differing styles, or disagreement over the exact meaning of "manager" ?`
`18:35.51`	`JeffM2501`	`heh yeah`
`18:36.03`	`JeffM2501`	`bryjen, I'll have it fixed when get back from lunch`
`18:39.20`	`Grumbler`	`hmm, i wonder what this wire does`
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`18:50.49`	`*** join/#bzflag wizart (n=wizart@dsl-084-058-167-206.arcor-ip.net)`
`18:56.28`	`*** join/#bzflag Grumbler (n=Grumbler@pdpc/supporter/bronze/grumbler)`
`19:03.31`	`*** join/#bzflag nevermore (I=niklas@macht.sow.as)`
`19:07.52`	`nevermore`	`~bzfquery bzflag.noxa.de:6000`
`19:16.39`	`*** join/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`19:18.15`	`*** join/#bzflag tavla (n=spreker@ip51cfa1ef.direct-adsl.nl)`
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`19:25.36`	`meacan`	`Is there any plans to extend the API with functions to control the game ("game over", start countdown etc)?`
`19:30.09`	`Grumbler`	`hey meacan`
`19:30.33`	`meacan`	`God aften Grumbler.`
`19:31.52`	`*** join/#bzflag foo-on-fire (n=flammafo@user-0can33s.cable.mindspring.com)`
`19:33.32`	`RPG_`	`ERROR! ERROR! ERROR! ERROR!`
`19:33.34`	`RPG_`	`racetoseven.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol "__declspec(dllimport) bool __cdecl bz_addURLJob(char const ,class bz_URLHandler ,char const *)" (__imp_?bz_addURLJob@@YA_NPBDPAVbz_URLHandler@@0@Z) referenced in function "void __cdecl end_match(void)" (?end_match@@YAXXZ)`
`19:34.52`	`RPG_`	`\u0002ERROR`
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`19:35.27`	`blast007`	`RPG_: are you using a new bzfs.lib?`
`19:35.32`	`Eblis`	`how can i log what happens in bzflag ?`
`19:35.35`	`RPG_`	`awww crap`
`19:35.39`	`RPG_`	`i forgot about that`
`19:35.49`	`RPG_`	`will compiling bzfs get me one?`
`19:36.04`	`blast007`	`it should`
`19:36.16`	`RPG_`	`__is this underlined__?`
`19:36.29`	`blast007`	`I don't have to really work about it, cuz it looks in the right spot`
`19:36.39`	`RPG_`	`i bet it is`
`19:36.55`	`Eblis`	`can i log locally everything that happens in bzflag ?`
`19:36.56`	`blast007`	`Eblis: you can run bzflag from the command like like this: bzflag -echo > somefile.log`
`19:37.32`	`Eblis`	`thanks`
`19:37.37`	`blast007`	`:)`
`19:37.42`	`Grumbler`	`i think you need to define your question better..... server or client, record actual gameplay, or just record join/flag/kills`
`19:37.45`	`RPG_`	`~blast007++`
`19:38.10`	`Eblis`	`client, gameplay (everything, loggin in, out, what's said, flags ...)`
`19:38.32`	`Grumbler`	`even visual content?`
`19:38.42`	`Eblis`	`no`
`19:38.50`	`blast007`	`think they just want the messages`
`19:39.06`	`Grumbler`	`ah, just messages`
`19:39.13`	`Eblis`	`everything in the console`
`19:46.58`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: if MSVC has an equivalent to -WShadow, please enable it`
`19:47.16`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, it dosn't`
`19:47.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I was just fixing that`
`19:48.07`	`Eblis`	`does -echo work in windows ?`
`19:49.23`	`RPG_`	`in cURLManager.h, why do you have this:`
`19:49.23`	`RPG_`	`#include <curl/curl.h>`
`19:49.23`	`RPG_`	`as opposed to this:`
`19:49.23`	`RPG_`	`#include <curl.h>`
`19:49.34`	`RPG_`	`the first one didn't work for me, the 2nd one did`
`19:49.44`	`JeffM2501`	`because curl.h is inside a curl subdir`
`19:49.45`	`wegstar`	`well.. depends on how your header files are placed`
`19:49.51`	`JeffM2501`	`your curl isn't installed right then`
`19:50.00`	`JeffM2501`	`it is suposed to be in a subdir`
`19:50.02`	`RPG_`	`nothing's right on my computer :sad:`
`19:50.23`	`RPG_`	`i pointed my include directory straight to the directory where curl.h resides`
`19:50.36`	`RPG_`	`but, whatever, it's fixed`
`19:50.36`	`JeffM2501`	`that is not what you were suposed to do`
`19:52.37`	`Eblis`	`-echo > somefile.log doesn't work, it kives me an error that server comes last. -echo without a parameter works but it doesn't output anything in the cmd window (on windows)`
`19:52.42`	`Eblis`	`what am i doing wrong ?`
`19:53.01`	`JeffM2501`	`it's -> for windows IIRC to redirect`
`19:53.22`	`RPG_`	`oh s***`
`19:53.24`	`RPG_`	`Build log was saved at "file://g:\Programs\Dev-Cpp\repisitories\bzflag\src\bzfs\debug\BuildLog.htm"`
`19:53.24`	`RPG_`	`bzfs - 880 error(s), 0 warning(s)`
`19:53.25`	`RPG_`	`hehe`
`19:53.30`	`RPG_`	`i really did something bad`
`19:53.30`	`JeffM2501`	`nice`
`19:53.30`	`BenUrban`	`wow.`
`19:53.38`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, re-install your compiler`
`19:54.02`	`BenUrban`	`some compilers stop bothering to report errors after a hundred or so`
`19:54.19`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`19:54.23`	`RPG_`	`here's more detailed: fatal error LNK1120: 460 unresolved externals`
`19:54.40`	`BenUrban`	`hahaha`
`19:54.48`	`JeffM2501`	`that means your libs arn't working`
`19:54.51`	`wegstar`	`heh`
`19:54.52`	`JeffM2501`	`your paths are screwed`
`19:54.53`	`JeffM2501`	`reinstall`
`19:55.05`	`RPG_`	`you mean there's no simpiler fix?`
`19:55.10`	`RPG_`	`it took an hour to install this`
`19:55.15`	`wegstar`	`hehe`
`19:55.44`	`JeffM2501`	`well since you nor noone else knows what you screwed up, no there is no easyer fix`
`19:55.50`	`RPG_`	`i guess`
`19:55.56`	`BenUrban`	`but of course`
`19:56.02`	`BenUrban`	`that's always the easiest fix in windows`
`19:56.19`	`JeffM2501`	`BenUrban, it would be the same fix on any OS if you don't remember how you screwed it up`
`19:56.26`	`JeffM2501`	`debian you redo the package install`
`19:56.28`	`BenUrban`	`not quite`
`19:56.35`	`JeffM2501`	`OSX you refink`
`19:56.46`	`JeffM2501`	`sure he could dig thru and see what he did wrong`
`19:56.50`	`BenUrban`	`if you don't know how you screwed up, some OSs would prefer that you uninstall it and get a different one`
`19:56.54`	`JeffM2501`	`but he dosn't know what the correct thing woudl be`
`19:57.09`	`JeffM2501`	`what OS will macigcaly fix it?`
`19:57.18`	`Eblis`	`typing the command "echo something file.log" works. if i try -> with bzflag then it tells me that the option "-." is wrong. shouldn't -echo without any parameters type everything to the console ?`
`19:57.24`	`JeffM2501`	`if you don't know what you did, or how the system is suposed to be set up`
`19:57.31`	`JeffM2501`	`Eblis, what version of windows?`
`19:57.38`	`Eblis`	`xp`
`19:57.50`	`JeffM2501`	`what does it do with just > ?`
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`19:58.18`	`RPG_`	`do i get the award of "most comiler errors"?`
`19:58.24`	`BenUrban`	`no`
`19:58.28`	`wegstar`	`no`
`19:58.33`	`RPG_`	`i'd pay to see who had more....`
`19:58.34`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, you get the award for person who jacked up his system the most`
`19:58.38`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`19:58.41`	`wegstar`	`:)`
`19:58.52`	`JeffM2501`	`I don't think you installed all the things, or you moved or changed something manualy`
`19:58.55`	`Eblis`	`nm, got it to work now`
`19:58.57`	`Eblis`	`thanks`
`19:59.03`	`BenUrban`	`i don't think he's worthy of that award`
`19:59.24`	`JeffM2501`	`ok, for today :)`
`19:59.27`	`RPG_`	`will MSVC++ work with SP1?`
`19:59.34`	`JeffM2501`	`why would it not?`
`19:59.43`	`RPG_`	`because some MS products don't`
`19:59.56`	`wegstar`	`er...`
`19:59.57`	`BenUrban`	`why wold you use sp1?`
`19:59.58`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, visual studio existed way before XP SP1`
`19:59.58`	`RPG_`	`SP2 has been wishing me no luck ever since i got it`
`20:00.00`	`JeffM2501`	`or even XP`
`20:00.12`	`BenUrban`	`oh`
`20:00.19`	`RPG_`	`backups are good :D`
`20:00.21`	`BenUrban`	`why are you trying to compile anything in windows, anyway?`
`20:00.28`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah why can't you use SP2?`
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`20:00.32`	`RPG_`	`because windows is the only OS that can compile plugisn`
`20:00.33`	`JeffM2501`	`BenUrban, he's making a plugin`
`20:00.36`	`BenUrban`	`...`
`20:00.39`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, that is NOT true`
`20:00.46`	`RPG_`	`errrr use them or something`
`20:00.53`	`JeffM2501`	`again NOT true`
`20:01.03`	`JeffM2501`	`linux plugins work fine`
`20:01.13`	`JeffM2501`	`beta.bzflag.bz:6666 is running them just fine`
`20:01.14`	`Grumbler`	`you have been misinformed is all`
`20:01.29`	`BenUrban`	`now go compile stuff in linux`
`20:01.33`	`JeffM2501`	`Grumbler, actualy he's been told a number of times only OSX dosn't have plugin support`
`20:01.41`	`RPG_`	`oh`
`20:01.45`	`JeffM2501`	`BenUrban, visual stuido works fine`
`20:01.46`	`BenUrban`	`leave the windows compilations to those who get paid to figure them out`
`20:02.01`	`BenUrban`	`<-- stallmanist`
`20:02.07`	`RPG_`	`here it goes :X`
`20:02.14`	`JeffM2501`	`RPG_, leave the linux compliations to the people who have time to beat 30 year old makefile tech :)`
`20:02.19`	`bryjen`	`people get paid to compile bzflag on windows?`
`20:02.34`	`wegstar`	`huh?`
`20:02.39`	`*** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`20:02.52`	`JeffM2501`	`he screwed with his install`
`20:02.54`	`Grumbler`	`its a 30 yr old makefile.......no wonder i dont understand it..............its new tech`
`20:02.56`	`JeffM2501`	`he just won't admit it`
`20:06.21`	`JeffM2501`	`and sad, I just finsihed his bzdb stuff`
`20:06.35`	`Eblis`	`it seems that if i try to run bzflag -echo > log.log from a shortcut it won't work, i have to make a batch file. don't know why`
`20:06.46`	`JeffM2501`	`define "dosn't work"`
`20:06.49`	`JeffM2501`	`what does it do?`
`20:07.25`	`Eblis`	`it says "Unexpected: >. Server must go after all options.`
`20:07.36`	`JeffM2501`	`and where are you puting the > ?`
`20:07.42`	`JeffM2501`	`in a shortcut?`
`20:07.45`	`JeffM2501`	`or in the shell`
`20:07.58`	`JeffM2501`	`the redirect is totaly a shell thing, it can't go in a shortcut`
`20:08.09`	`JeffM2501`	`shortcuts don't use the shell at all ( not the terminal shell at least )`
`20:08.28`	`Eblis`	`that must be it, stupid me`
`20:08.30`	`JeffM2501`	`this is why a log plugin needs to be made`
`20:08.47`	`JeffM2501`	`and bzfs needs the 3 entry points to make it a service :)`
`20:09.17`	`bryjen`	`that won't help the client much ;)`
`20:09.20`	`BenUrban`	`you and your windows stuff`
`20:10.13`	`JeffM2501`	`oh he's loging from client?`
`20:10.17`	`JeffM2501`	`eww`
`20:10.23`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx):`
`20:10.23`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: new functions to check bzdb vars, there permisions`
`20:10.23`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: set the perms and stuff for vars when they are set to allow new vars to be added.`
`20:10.26`	`JeffM2501`	`well you know I want client side plugins :)`
`20:10.37`	`JeffM2501`	`BenUrban, yes, what of it?`
`20:10.42`	`BenUrban`	`you suck`
`20:10.44`	`BenUrban`	`of course`
`20:10.49`	`JeffM2501`	`excuse me?`
`20:10.51`	`BenUrban`	`:)`
`20:10.53`	`Eblis`	`thanks for the info, bye`
`20:10.59`	`BenUrban`	`you're welcome :P`
`20:11.03`	`JeffM2501`	`what is your problem ben?`
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`20:11.11`	`BenUrban`	`heh i'm bored`
`20:11.21`	`JeffM2501`	`and that is reason to be rude and insuting to people?`
`20:11.27`	`BenUrban`	`no`
`20:11.31`	`BenUrban`	`well maybe`
`20:11.33`	`JeffM2501`	`then what is your problem?`
`20:11.34`	`BenUrban`	`how should i know?`
`20:11.35`	`JeffM2501`	`no it's not`
`20:11.41`	`JeffM2501`	`you should have common sense`
`20:11.53`	`JeffM2501`	`if you are here to just piss people off I recomend you leave`
`20:11.54`	`JeffM2501`	`now`
`20:11.59`	`BenUrban`	`meh`
`20:12.01`	`BenUrban`	`i'll shut up`
`20:12.44`	`JeffM2501`	`I'll never understand stuck up linux people who think there OS is gods gift to simple computers.`
`20:12.51`	`JeffM2501`	`it's a freaking tool`
`20:12.54`	`BenUrban`	`i was just messing around`
`20:13.16`	`JeffM2501`	`then I'd take it to #OSWars or something`
`20:13.30`	`JeffM2501`	`people here were trying to figure out real problems`
`20:13.36`	`BenUrban`	`ok ok`
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`20:19.24`	`bryjen`	bzfsAPI.cxx:805: error: `StateDatabase::Permission' is not an aggregate type
`20:19.36`	`JeffM2501`	`bullcrap`
`20:20.32`	`JeffM2501`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:20.38`	`JeffM2501`	`hmmm maybe because it's not a typedef`
`20:21.12`	`JeffM2501`	`take out the ::Permision part`
`20:21.15`	`JeffM2501`	`tell me if that works for you`
`20:23.36`	`bryjen`	`compiled`
`20:23.55`	`JeffM2501`	`I think I get an auto typedef and you dont'`
`20:25.56`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: make it work on leeeenox`
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`20:36.20`	`trepan`	`Ice_Wewe: ww?`
`20:38.20`	`JeffM2501`	`I think that's his normal way message`
`20:40.53`	`JeffM2501`	`hmm wonder if TimRiker would let us build with /G3`
`20:41.11`	`JeffM2501`	`well /g6`
`20:41.18`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: fyi, hooked triangulation into the bzfs side`
`20:41.29`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh cool`
`20:41.33`	`trepan`	`dunno if you'd worked it out for the q3bsp stuff...`
`20:41.41`	`JeffM2501`	`is there a limit how big a face can be?`
`20:41.45`	`JeffM2501`	`as in vert count?`
`20:42.23`	`trepan`	`nope`
`20:42.34`	`JeffM2501`	`k`
`20:42.42`	`JeffM2501`	`what about colinear sides?`
`20:42.44`	`trepan`	`well, u32/2-1 iirc ;)`
`20:43.15`	`trepan`	`if they fail the convex test, they get triangulated`
`20:43.31`	`trepan`	`the convex test is a little too harsh right now, can't change it though`
`20:45.49`	`JeffM2501`	`well still that's fine`
`20:45.59`	`JeffM2501`	`it'll work for what comes outa that bsp converter`
`20:46.08`	`JeffM2501`	`tho it may make faces with more then 32 verts`
`20:46.17`	`trepan`	`u32 => 2^32`
`20:46.25`	`JeffM2501`	`ahh didn't see the u`
`20:46.29`	`JeffM2501`	`then never mind :)`
`20:47.00`	`trepan`	`more importantly, it's the right spot to triangulate, for any imported meshes`
`20:47.30`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah`
`20:49.05`	`JeffM2501`	`now to roll back that nasty code in model tool`
`20:49.52`	`JeffM2501`	`not that I think anyone will actualy use radiant for maps`
`20:53.32`	`CIA-13`	`BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/Q3BSP.cxx: take out the teselator since bzfs will do it now`
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`20:57.52`	`Guest632`	`hi`
`20:58.05`	`Guest632`	`hello?`
`20:58.09`	`Guest632`	`is noone here?`
`20:58.12`	`JeffM2501`	`hello`
`20:58.16`	`JeffM2501`	`we are`
`20:58.17`	`Guest632`	`oh hi`
`20:58.30`	`Guest632`	`whats are u doing here`
`20:58.38`	`JeffM2501`	`?`
`20:58.47`	`Guest632`	`for what is this irc?`
`20:58.57`	`JeffM2501`	`this is the freenode network`
`20:59.03`	`JeffM2501`	`for open soruce projects`
`20:59.08`	`Guest632`	`what is bzflag?`
`20:59.09`	`JeffM2501`	`this is a channel for a game "bzflag"`
`20:59.15`	`JeffM2501`	`it is an open source game`
`20:59.17`	`JeffM2501`	`www.bzflag.org`
`20:59.26`	`Guest632`	`nthe only one at web?`
`20:59.37`	`JeffM2501`	`what?`
`20:59.46`	`Guest632`	`is this a jump and run game?`
`20:59.50`	`JeffM2501`	`no`
`20:59.55`	`JeffM2501`	`it involves tanks`
`20:59.56`	`TimRiker`	`hmm Guest632 claims to not know what bzflag is but yet has the n disease.`
`20:59.57`	`Guest632`	`are there more games?`
`21:00.04`	`JeffM2501`	`TimRiker, I noticed that`
`21:00.09`	`Guest632`	`lol`
`21:00.14`	`JeffM2501`	`Guest632, there are many games, we only make one`
`21:00.15`	`Guest632`	`ntim is a checker`
`21:00.17`	`Guest632`	`nsry`
`21:00.21`	`Guest632`	`nwas a test`
`21:00.35`	`Guest632`	`i play bz for a year`
`21:00.41`	`JeffM2501`	`wow`
`21:00.46`	`Guest632`	`nits a nice game`
`21:00.50`	`Guest632`	`the best i saw`
`21:01.06`	`Guest632`	`ntim, u are a detective`
`21:01.11`	`TimRiker`	`=)`
`21:01.16`	`Guest632`	`looool`
`21:01.17`	`JeffM2501`	`it was prety obvious man :)`
`21:01.54`	`Guest632`	`why all so silince`
`21:01.56`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, there isn't a way to define more then one set of UV's for a face are there?`
`21:01.57`	`Guest632`	`ntalk`
`21:02.02`	`JeffM2501`	`silence?`
`21:02.12`	`Guest632`	`lol yes`
`21:02.16`	`Guest632`	`my english is bad`
`21:02.59`	`Guest632`	`plt talk`
`21:03.14`	`Guest632`	`what u all are doing here?`
`21:03.23`	`Guest632`	`nnone tells a story`
`21:03.44`	`Guest632`	`ok, gtg`
`21:03.51`	`Guest632`	`must kick azzez ;))))`
`21:03.58`	`Guest632`	`now all knows who i am`
`21:06.53`	`trepan`	`JeffM2501: nope, not without hidden data`
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`21:12.19`	`JeffM2501`	`who was that freak?`
`21:12.41`	`JeffM2501`	`trepan, that's what I figured, the quake maps actualy have all the lightmaps in the map, I could export them as png and use them :)`
`21:13.13`	`JeffM2501`	`would probalby look odd with our shadows tho`
`21:13.39`	`trepan`	`prolly want to throw in vert colors, attribs, multi-texcoords, fog coords, etc... if more data was to be added`
`21:14.04`	`trepan`	`wait for a better 'engine' :)`
`21:14.09`	`JeffM2501`	`yeah was just gonna say that`
`21:14.13`	`JeffM2501`	`or a better project ;)`
`21:14.32`	`trepan`	`=)`
`21:16.57`	`Pimpinella`	`fantazee won the 1v1 championship`
`21:17.17`	`CBG`	`Pimpinella: Congrats to him(/her?) :)`
`21:17.24`	`Pimpinella`	`him`
`21:33.21`	`JeffM2501`	`Im the trouble starter, punkin instigator`
`21:33.21`	`JeffM2501`	`Im the fear addicted, danger illustrated`
`21:35.48`	`CBG`	`Thanks Jeff, :) I am enlightened.`
`21:36.27`	`JeffM2501`	`You can do the things`
`21:36.27`	`JeffM2501`	`That can’t be done`
`21:36.33`	`JeffM2501`	`You can win the fights`
`21:36.33`	`JeffM2501`	`That can’t be won`
`21:36.46`	`CBG`	`I can?`
`21:36.48`	`JeffM2501`	`When you’re on a mission`
`21:36.48`	`JeffM2501`	`You see it through`
`21:36.53`	`JeffM2501`	`‘Cuz this savin’ the world thing`
`21:36.53`	`JeffM2501`	`Is what you do`
`21:37.00`	`JeffM2501`	`It’s just you`
`21:37.00`	`JeffM2501`	`Doin’ the impossible, it’s you`
`21:37.13`	`JeffM2501`	`You’re practically unstoppable`
`21:37.14`	`JeffM2501`	`It’s you`
`21:37.14`	`JeffM2501`	`Totally on top of all`
`21:37.14`	`JeffM2501`	`It’s you, it’s you, it’s you`
`21:37.14`	`JeffM2501`	`You’re Kim Possible`
`21:37.51`	`CBG`	`^o)`
`21:38.19`	`JeffM2501`	`are you dissing Ms. Possible?`
`21:38.36`	`CBG`	`You bet I am!`
`21:39.11`	`JeffM2501`	`dude that's harsh`
`21:39.15`	`JeffM2501`	`Kim rocks`
`21:39.20`	`JeffM2501`	`and rocks hard!`
`21:39.23`	`CBG`	`^o)`
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`21:45.22`	`CBG`	`:o`
`21:45.40`	`CBG`	`:o :o`
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`21:51.02`	`Pimpinella`	`RPG_: suffering from hug fever?`
`21:51.08`	`RPG_`	`probably`
`21:51.15`	`RPG_`	`and MSVC++ works great now`
`21:51.18`	`RPG_`	`forms and all`
`21:52.19`	`Birdie`	`rpg is so nice:)`
`21:52.31`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`21:52.41`	`RPG_`	`right after i got done killing you on GU :D`
`21:54.12`	`Birdie`	`i wasnt playing on my best:)`
`21:54.24`	`RPG_`	`i figured`
`21:54.31`	`RPG_`	`i forgot the ratio`
`21:54.38`	`RPG_`	`you were probably ahead anyways`
`21:55.14`	`Birdie`	`normally i always have at least 2 1 ratio:)`
`22:01.54`	`CBG`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:02.03`	`RPG_`	`he made an animation?`
`22:02.07`	`RPG_`	`in a bzw world?`
`22:02.26`	`CBG`	`In Metropolis`
`22:02.30`	`CBG`	`You’re Kim Possible`
`22:02.35`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`22:02.36`	`CBG`	`Ooops, http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=47399`
`22:02.37`	`RPG_`	`is it running?`
`22:08.03`	`CBG`	`Night for me... cya all tomorow. >:)`
`22:08.07`	`RPG_`	`night?`
`22:08.11`	`RPG_`	`it's 5:00 PM!`
`22:08.17`	`RPG_`	`what is it there?`
`22:08.20`	`CBG`	`You'r 6 hours behind.`
`22:08.25`	`RPG_`	`11`
`22:08.45`	`CBG`	`I'm trying to get out of the habit of staying up on IRC till 3AM.`
`22:08.46`	`Birdie`	`7hours`
`22:08.48`	`Birdie`	`for me`
`22:08.57`	`CBG`	`If I get in bed soon, I might get to sleep by 2AM. :)`
`22:09.00`	`CBG`	`so, Bye`
`22:09.08`	`RPG_`	`cya`
`22:09.09`	`RPG_`	`g2g`
`22:09.10`	`RPG_`	`nigh`
`22:09.12`	`RPG_`	`night`
`22:09.14`	`RPG_`	`salut`
`22:09.15`	`RPG_`	`caio`
`22:17.12`	`Aribeth`	`aloha`
`22:17.36`	`ToughShooter`	`!weather EDDF`
`22:17.38`	`TheLastSpartan`	`ToughShooter: The current temperature in Frankfurt/main, Germany is 62�F (12:00 AM CEST on August 12, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 69%. Dew Point: 54�F. Pressure: 29.96 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 22.0 miles (35.0 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 16`
`22:17.48`	`Aribeth`	`!weather 30040`
`22:17.53`	`TheLastSpartan`	`Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30040) is 81�F (6:16 PM EDT on August 11, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 74�F. UV: 2 out of 16`
`22:17.53`	`RPG_`	`!weather 60137`
`22:17.56`	`TheLastSpartan`	`RPG_: The current temperature in Glen Ellyn, Illinois (60137) is 75�F (5:07 PM CDT on August 11, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 66�F. UV: 4 out of 16`
`22:18.05`	`wegstar`	`!weather 94030`
`22:18.09`	`TheLastSpartan`	`wegstar: The current temperature in Millbrae, California (94030) is 72�F (2:56 PM PDT on August 11, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 54�F. Pressure: 29.93 in (1013 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 7 out of 16`
`22:18.10`	`ToughShooter`	`Something is wrong with my time`
`22:18.14`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`22:18.24`	`ToughShooter`	`It's 12PM, not 12AM`
`22:18.32`	`Aribeth`	`hummm....`
`22:18.45`	`Aribeth`	`so far im in the hot spot :P`
`22:19.24`	`wegstar`	`:(`
`22:19.46`	`RPG_`	`it was like 90 yesterday`
`22:19.47`	`Aribeth`	`im burnt. been outside all day`
`22:19.50`	`RPG_`	`torrential downpour`
`22:19.54`	`RPG_`	`75`
`22:20.05`	`RPG_`	`i bet you'd be burnt`
`22:20.06`	`ToughShooter`	`!weather EDGS`
`22:20.07`	`TheLastSpartan`	`ToughShooter: The current temperature in Siegerland, Germany is 58�F (12:13 AM CEST on August 12, 2005). Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 54�F.`
`22:20.36`	`Aribeth`	`drove with the to down on my car, and cut the grass`
`22:20.52`	`wegstar`	`!weather 94040`
`22:20.54`	`TheLastSpartan`	`wegstar: The current temperature in Mountain View, California (94040) is 80�F (2:56 PM PDT on August 11, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 43%. Dew Point: 56�F. Pressure: 29.94 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 9 out of 16`
`22:21.31`	`Aribeth`	`about the same temp wise, but GA is double the humidity`
`22:21.41`	`ToughShooter`	`Who wrote guu?`
`22:21.41`	`wegstar`	`just only about an hour away..`
`22:21.46`	`wegstar`	`jeffm`
`22:21.54`	`Aribeth`	`yep`
`22:22.23`	`RPG_`	`!weather 20043`
`22:22.26`	`TheLastSpartan`	`RPG_: The current temperature in Washington, District of Columbia (20043) is 90�F (5:51 PM EDT on August 11, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 67�F. Pressure: 29.96 in (1014 hPa). Visibility: 8.0 miles (12.9 kilometers). UV: 1 out of 16`
`22:22.35`	`RPG_`	`that was a random zip code :D`
`22:22.45`	`wegstar`	`!weather 12345`
`22:22.48`	`RPG_`	`and i get DC`
`22:22.48`	`TheLastSpartan`	`wegstar: The current temperature in Schenectady, New York (12345) is 85�F (5:51 PM EDT on August 11, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 58�F. Pressure: 29.93 in (1013 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 2 out of 16`
`22:22.54`	`wegstar`	`;)`
`22:22.56`	`RPG_`	`!weather 00000`
`22:23.02`	`Aribeth`	`!weather 30504`
`22:23.03`	`RPG_`	`oh`
`22:23.03`	`TheLastSpartan`	`Aribeth: The current temperature in Gainesville, Georgia (30504) is 87�F (5:53 PM EDT on August 11, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 71�F. Pressure: 30.01 in (1016 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 3 out of 16`
`22:23.17`	`Aribeth`	`thats where i was today`
`22:36.58`	`*** join/#bzflag wegstar_ (n=foo@allegro/user/wegstar)`
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`22:46.42`	`Tupone`	`menotume: ping`
`22:47.56`	`Ice_Wewe`	`!weather 71628`
`22:48.22`	`Ice_Wewe`	`what is Ottawa's number?`
`22:48.27`	`Ice_Wewe`	`back`
`22:48.45`	`Ice_Wewe`	`!weather ottawa`
`22:48.53`	`RPG_`	`i dont think ottawa has a United states zip code`
`22:49.01`	`Ice_Wewe`	`!96822`
`22:49.01`	`TheLastSpartan`	`Ice_Wewe: NO this one goes here, THAT one goes there!`
`22:49.11`	`Ice_Wewe`	`!weather 96822`
`22:49.13`	`TheLastSpartan`	`Ice_Wewe: The current temperature in Honolulu, Hawaii (96822) is 88�F (11:53 AM HST on August 11, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 66�F. Pressure: 30.06 in (1018 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 11 out of 16`
`22:49.19`	`Ice_Wewe`	`heh`
`22:49.26`	`RPG_`	`look at that UV`
`22:49.27`	`RPG_`	`wow`
`22:49.31`	`RPG_`	`those people are ognna get fried`
`22:49.39`	`RPG_`	`!weather 60137`
`22:49.41`	`TheLastSpartan`	`RPG_: The current temperature in Glen Ellyn, Illinois (60137) is 75�F (5:07 PM CDT on August 11, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: 66�F. UV: 4 out of 16`
`22:49.43`	`Ice_Wewe`	`!weather 97817`
`22:49.44`	`TheLastSpartan`	`Ice_Wewe: The current temperature in Bates, Oregon (97817) is 84�F (2:53 PM PDT on August 11, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 14%. Dew Point: 30�F. Pressure: 30.07 in (1018 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 8 out of 16`
`22:49.48`	`Ice_Wewe`	`Doh!`
`22:50.15`	`Ice_Wewe`	`!weather 96821`
`22:50.18`	`TheLastSpartan`	`Ice_Wewe: The current temperature in Honolulu, Hawaii (96821) is 95�F (12:50 PM HST on August 11, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 69�F. UV: 11 out of 16`
`22:50.43`	`Ice_Wewe`	`!weather 96820`
`22:50.44`	`TheLastSpartan`	`Ice_Wewe: The current temperature in Honolulu, Hawaii (96820) is 88�F (11:53 AM HST on August 11, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 66�F. Pressure: 30.06 in (1018 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 11 out of 16`
`22:51.01`	`Ice_Wewe`	`ok...`
`22:51.03`	`Ice_Wewe`	`bbl`
`22:51.07`	`trepan`	`could yall make your meteorological investigations private ?`
`22:51.13`	`RPG_`	`lol`
`22:51.25`	`RPG_`	`/msg TheLastSpartan !weather 60137`
`22:51.39`	`trepan`	`now you've got the spirit, don't annoy others`
`22:51.54`	`wegstar`	`:)`
`22:57.58`	`trepan`	`and for Ice_Wewe: Ottawa's International Airport code is CYOW`
`23:04.59`	`Ice_Wewe`	`!weather CYOW`
`23:05.00`	`TheLastSpartan`	`Ice_Wewe: The current temperature in Ottawa-Macdonald-Cartier International, Ontario is 82�F (6:00 PM EDT on August 11, 2005). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 39%. Dew Point: 55�F. Pressure: 29.98 in (1015 hPa). Visibility: 15.0 miles (24.1 kilometers). UV: 1 out of 16`
`23:05.17`	`RPG_`	`Ice_Wewe: take the bot up in a /msg`
`23:05.17`	`Ice_Wewe`	`cool`
`23:05.42`	`Ice_Wewe`	`haha`
`23:05.49`	`Ice_Wewe`	`hey RPG_`
`23:05.54`	`RPG_`	`huh?`
`23:05.57`	`trepan`	`haha, not a joke, quit spamming`
`23:06.06`	`Ice_Wewe`	`can I make a box that people can shoot through from one side only?`
`23:06.11`	`RPG_`	`yes you can`
`23:06.15`	`Ice_Wewe`	`how?`
`23:06.31`	`RPG_`	`either make an object without a face in a 3D modeleler (trepan corerct that if it's wrong), or make a one-way teleporter`
`23:06.53`	`Ice_Wewe`	`oh, right, got it`
`23:07.19`	`trepan`	`using shootthrough on a face should work`
`23:07.37`	`RPG_`	`or that ;D`
`23:07.39`	`trepan`	`expect the shot to pass through the opposite side, mesh faces are directional`
`23:08.05`	`RPG_`	`so if it was a face not perpendicular to the bullet, the shot would change direction to be perpenduclar to the face?`
`23:08.26`	`RPG_`	`oh wait now i get it`
`23:08.28`	`RPG_`	`:d'oh"`
`23:08.29`	`RPG_`	`::`
`23:08.34`	`*** part/#bzflag RPG_ (n=G-bus@c-24-15-87-171.hsd1.il.comcast.net)`
`23:10.21`	`Ice_Wewe`	`trepan, how do I do a shoot through on a face?`
`23:12.08`	`Ice_Wewe`	`trepan?`
`23:12.58`	`trepan`	`the final product ain't worth the effort`
`23:13.10`	`Ice_Wewe`	`oh ok`
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