| 00:00.55 | JeffM2501 | you know a game is old when it has to check your winsock version |
| 00:01.52 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:02.18 | DTRemenak | can't risk running on 95 before OSR2 you know :) |
| 00:03.17 | DTRemenak | wow. that's old. OSR2 introduced FAT32, so if your winsock is that old you're also running on VFAT... (eek) |
| 00:03.40 | JeffM2501 | I actualy think this DOSN'T run on OG 95 |
| 00:03.53 | JeffM2501 | it's origonal subspace |
| 00:04.00 | JeffM2501 | found a CD :) |
| 00:04.49 | DTRemenak | shouldn't need to check the winsock version then...unless it knows it triggers a bug in the old OSR2/98FE winsock. |
| 00:05.03 | JeffM2501 | IIRC it does know it |
| 00:05.09 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:05.15 | JeffM2501 | it was one of the first to use LOTS of UDP |
| 00:05.23 | S1gn | ~bzfquery amber.gotdns.org:5679 |
| 00:05.29 | DTRemenak | bzflag doesn't trigger it at all (or at least didn't last time I checked) |
| 00:05.40 | JeffM2501 | this may also use direct play |
| 00:05.44 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 00:05.48 | JeffM2501 | wonder if it works on wine |
| 00:05.57 | DTRemenak | if it uses directplay it doesn't work on wine :) |
| 00:06.05 | DTRemenak | well maybe if it's real old |
| 00:06.16 | DTRemenak | I think we have fairly good directplay 3 support |
| 00:06.17 | JeffM2501 | it's REALY old |
| 00:06.35 | JeffM2501 | it's like "requires windows 95" |
| 00:06.35 | DTRemenak | but directplay 5/6 is pretty broken and 7/8/9 are nonexistent |
| 00:06.42 | JeffM2501 | DPlay blows |
| 00:06.44 | JeffM2501 | and blows hard |
| 00:06.49 | DTRemenak | that's true |
| 00:06.50 | JeffM2501 | wana try it? |
| 00:06.55 | DTRemenak | want me to? |
| 00:07.07 | JeffM2501 | I need to set up a server somewhere |
| 00:08.05 | DTRemenak | ooh, fun cvs conflicts |
| 00:08.20 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/SubSpace.zip |
| 00:08.56 | blast007 | ~nslookup amber.gotdns.org |
| 00:09.28 | blast007 | S1gn: apparently that is the problem ;) |
| 00:09.56 | menotume | grrrr. /playerlist is a hybrid (not really a server command) - bah humbug |
| 00:10.22 | JeffM2501 | hah, it has an intro movie :) |
| 00:11.24 | blast007 | so HIDEADMIN just hides the @ symbol? |
| 00:11.53 | menotume | HIDEADMIN makes bzfs not send 'player is admin' info to clients at all |
| 00:12.19 | blast007 | k |
| 00:12.29 | menotume | so, is hides the '@', and doesn't show slotnums in the scoreboard (if you are admin) |
| 00:13.12 | blast007 | ah, ok, so that's the issue |
| 00:13.24 | menotume | mostly, yes |
| 00:13.46 | menotume | fo rme, anyway. but, you can still get slot nums with /playerlist |
| 00:15.00 | blast007 | I had a server hack back in 1.7 that could hide an admin completely, except in a playerlist |
| 00:15.17 | blast007 | it was a server command, and it would appear the admin logged off ;) |
| 00:15.21 | menotume | playerlist doesn't show admins |
| 00:15.26 | menotume | hehe |
| 00:15.54 | blast007 | well, i mean, it didn't show they were online in stuff like lagstats, but it showed them in playerlist |
| 00:16.05 | DTRemenak | heh, zlib 1.0.4 |
| 00:16.17 | DTRemenak | it *is* old |
| 00:17.03 | JeffM2501 | this game came out when I first got a PC |
| 00:17.21 | DTRemenak | yeah but you didn't get a PC until relatively recently ;) |
| 00:17.49 | DTRemenak | usually when I think of "old games" I think of ZORK and STARTREK ;) |
| 00:18.01 | JeffM2501 | I got it just after 95 came out |
| 00:18.03 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 00:18.06 | menotume | blast007: ahh, i got you *REALLY* hidden |
| 00:18.07 | DTRemenak | and rogue |
| 00:18.23 | JeffM2501 | they have a REAL rabbit chase mode tho :) |
| 00:18.27 | DTRemenak | ah, you had to wait till it was all pointy-clicky ;) |
| 00:18.32 | JeffM2501 | the rabbit was badd ass |
| 00:18.39 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I had a mac before that |
| 00:18.41 | blast007 | menotume: yup :) |
| 00:18.50 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, yeah, that's what I was implying :) |
| 00:18.51 | JeffM2501 | and before that a c64 with geOS |
| 00:18.58 | DTRemenak | macs were pointy-clicky way before pcs |
| 00:19.15 | blast007 | so you could watch people as observer, and then talk (it would come from the SERVER player) |
| 00:19.26 | DTRemenak | I had a TI 99/4a before I got a pc |
| 00:19.37 | blast007 | good way to catch cheaters, cuz they didn't even know you were there |
| 00:19.40 | menotume | hehe, would be nasty if they were playing |
| 00:20.01 | JeffM2501 | I'll have to find somewhere to set up a server one day |
| 00:20.07 | JeffM2501 | and we can see if it works :) |
| 00:20.25 | menotume | sounds like something good to add back in, just only allow the /hideme command if they are obs |
| 00:20.27 | JeffM2501 | I don't like the changes they made to the current versions |
| 00:20.50 | JeffM2501 | but there are things here I'd like you all to look at, some ideas that may be nice for BZ |
| 00:20.53 | JeffM2501 | or variations |
| 00:21.00 | JeffM2501 | specificly the game modes |
| 00:21.51 | JeffM2501 | this is a good KOTH variation |
| 00:21.52 | JeffM2501 | King of the Hill - Each player has a crown and when he dies he loses his crown. |
| 00:21.52 | JeffM2501 | if he kills three crowned players he gets a his crown back. |
| 00:21.52 | JeffM2501 | Last person in zone with crown wins. |
| 00:22.27 | JeffM2501 | dosn't require a hill even :) |
| 00:22.38 | DTRemenak | it handles it a heck of a lot better than windows does though |
| 00:23.23 | DTRemenak | 98 would just lock up if you tried something like that |
| 00:23.35 | blast007 | yeah |
| 00:23.37 | DTRemenak | 2k lets you do it but makes you pay |
| 00:24.11 | blast007 | like that time I ran BZFlag 2.0.0 on a 486 laptop running Window 95 w/ 12MB RAM ;) |
| 00:24.27 | DTRemenak | in linux I was thinking "why is my framerate so low" not "wow, that was stupid" |
| 00:27.04 | menotume | DTRemenak: *drinking* wine is better |
| 00:27.24 | DTRemenak | menotume, I must disagree. It's far more fun to write wine than to drink it |
| 00:27.35 | DTRemenak | the cd shards hurt my throat |
| 00:27.41 | menotume | lol |
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| 03:03.09 | uso | hi |
| 03:03.21 | blast007 | hello |
| 03:03.49 | uso | has there anything changed in physics settings between 1.10 and 2.0? |
| 03:04.16 | uso | in 2.0 i can fire to a platfor which is 20 units above my level, in 1.10 i could not |
| 03:04.24 | uso | m |
| 03:09.56 | blast007 | I suppose there could have been a change |
| 03:12.47 | uso | there must have been a change :) |
| 03:13.18 | uso | it would be more interesting where it has been taken place ... |
| 03:14.20 | DTRemenak | uso, there is an option to enable vertical shot velocity. is that what you are referring to? |
| 03:14.47 | uso | have tank dimensions been changed (barrel in a higher position)? |
| 03:14.54 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 03:15.09 | uso | no, all settings on default |
| 03:15.10 | DTRemenak | although that can be changed by the server also |
| 03:15.54 | DTRemenak | no defaults have changed that I'm aware of |
| 03:16.05 | uso | have seen it lately on viper, i got shot on the bridge by a jumping tank (from a box at the bottom) |
| 03:16.12 | trepan | (0.5 * 19*19 / 9.8) + 1.57 = 19.988 |
| 03:16.24 | trepan | then throw in a little fudge for integration |
| 03:16.25 | uso | this was not able on the old viper |
| 03:16.42 | DTRemenak | uso, sure it's the same map? |
| 03:16.58 | trepan | if anything, it's prolly the latter part that might have changed a little |
| 03:17.00 | uso | yes, box at level 10, bridge on level 30 |
| 03:17.26 | trepan | improved jump control setup... |
| 03:17.36 | uso | i have to set gravity to 9.74 to get the behaviour of 2.0 on 1.10 |
| 03:18.07 | DTRemenak | how many tons of lead did you have to dump into the oceans to get that? ;) |
| 03:18.37 | uso | lol, only a few tries |
| 03:19.07 | DTRemenak | err that's backwards. how much lead did you have to launch at the sun to get that? ;) |
| 03:19.30 | uso | i felt save on the bridge on viper and got shot ... that gets me curious |
| 03:20.32 | DTRemenak | uso, you said you lowered gravity to get the same behavior. that sounds backwards -- lower gravity = higher jumps |
| 03:20.44 | uso | yes |
| 03:20.49 | uso | i lowered it in 1.10 |
| 03:20.52 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 03:21.01 | DTRemenak | I was confused |
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| 03:22.59 | uso | trepan: is 19 the z velocity of a tank? z velocity goes from 0 to 19 immediatly, no acceleration phase? |
| 03:23.56 | trepan | no accel |
| 03:24.40 | uso | so 2.0 cheats by about 1 %o on jumps :) |
| 03:26.27 | trepan | depends on frame rate, and it's more like 0.058% |
| 03:26.50 | uso | yes, i just calculated it too :) |
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| 03:28.45 | uso | but as many maps have sizes in steps of 10 this little deviation changes gameplay ;) |
| 03:29.11 | uso | and got me shot :)) |
| 03:30.58 | uso | does any of the bzflag map editors already support the 2.0 map format? |
| 03:31.35 | blast007 | don't think so yet |
| 03:31.36 | trepan | nope, use a modeller and an exporter or converter |
| 03:31.44 | blast007 | but there is a bzw exporter for wings 3d |
| 03:31.50 | blast007 | yeah, what trepan said |
| 03:32.12 | trepan | DTRemenak: stupid SF |
| 03:33.10 | uso | i'm afraid this exceeds my capabilities :) |
| 03:33.28 | trepan | uso: wings3d it quite easy to learn |
| 03:33.37 | trepan | blender is a little harder, but more capable |
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| 03:34.34 | uso | i have tried blender and haven given up soon |
| 03:34.43 | uso | i may try wings3d |
| 03:34.45 | trepan | JeffM is also adding the quake format to the modeltool converter, so Radiant is another option |
| 03:35.11 | trepan | uso: i lied, wings3d is significantly easier to learn |
| 03:36.01 | uso | is the quake editor also available for linux? |
| 03:36.12 | trepan | ~google gtk radiant |
| 03:36.28 | uso | and does the conversion tool support both directions? |
| 03:36.55 | trepan | no converter imports bzw, except for purple_cow's (not sure how complete that is) |
| 03:36.57 | uso | sounds like there is a linux version :) |
| 03:39.40 | uso | but to analyze a map (as i have done it for the different jump behaviour) it's a bit of overkill |
| 03:49.44 | uso | ~bzflist |
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| 03:52.56 | uso | anybody know what this is counting exactly? |
| 03:53.21 | uso | i do not get this values, even if i also count observers |
| 03:54.35 | uso | ~bzflist |
| 03:54.39 | kunphuzil | how does one specify the dimensions of a map using BZEdit? |
| 03:55.17 | blast007 | you can't |
| 03:56.10 | kunphuzil | um, oh |
| 03:56.39 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:57.22 | blast007 | kunphuzil: bzedit was never updated to support that feature |
| 03:58.29 | uso | beeps? irc triggered by the word bzflist? |
| 03:58.30 | kunphuzil | do people use other software now? |
| 03:58.43 | uso | or did you wrote the bzflist command? |
| 04:02.40 | uso | is the format of the hex string the listserver sends for each bzflag server documented anywhere? or any hint where i can search for it in the sources? |
| 04:03.07 | uso | i put the playerstats into mrtg to get nice graphs, but the values seem not too match exactly |
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| 04:28.17 | DTRemenak | uso: my name is in the response to bzflist |
| 04:28.38 | DTRemenak | nand what does it mean "not to match exactly"? |
| 04:28.44 | DTRemenak | nand not nand |
| 04:28.50 | DTRemenak | nand not nand |
| 04:28.55 | DTRemenak | and not nand, dangit |
| 04:30.04 | orange | nlol |
| 04:30.49 | DTRemenak | I should probably not be typing so fast that I don't read what I type ;) |
| 04:32.02 | wegstar | nhehehehe |
| 04:33.54 | uso | i also count the values of BZFS0026 and BZFS0019 players for my graph, BZFS0019 mostly matches but the number of BZFS0026 player are always off by a few |
| 04:34.17 | uso | where do you get these values? from the listserver or from the bzfs servers directly? |
| 04:34.33 | DTRemenak | list server |
| 04:34.48 | DTRemenak | they should be the correct number though |
| 04:35.02 | blast007 | uso: you should be able to track down where the server sends the ADD message, and see what each items refers to |
| 04:35.05 | DTRemenak | unless servers aren't re-ADDing themselves properly |
| 04:35.25 | uso | how often does the listserver update his list? |
| 04:35.37 | blast007 | every 15 minutes, and when a client joins or leaves |
| 04:35.43 | DTRemenak | servers ADD themselves after every join and part |
| 04:36.13 | uso | ah, so it may be a timing effect, i get the file all 5 minutes only |
| 04:36.20 | DTRemenak | yes, could be |
| 04:37.04 | uso | i dont understand what you mean with the ADD message |
| 04:37.35 | DTRemenak | when a client joins a server, the server sends the list server an ADD with the correct playercounts etc |
| 04:37.41 | DTRemenak | same when any client leaves |
| 04:37.44 | uso | i get the file from http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST |
| 04:37.46 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 04:38.06 | uso | ah, ok |
| 04:38.45 | uso | but then i had to stress the listserver too often |
| 04:39.10 | uso | mrtg anyway has a default intervall of 5 minutes |
| 04:39.46 | uso | daemon? isn't it a cron job which gathers data? |
| 04:41.04 | DTRemenak | it can run as a daemon |
| 04:41.16 | DTRemenak | RunAsDaemon: Yes |
| 04:41.19 | DTRemenak | in mrtg.conf |
| 04:41.38 | uso | and has to be restarted than often :) |
| 04:41.50 | DTRemenak | only when you break it ;) |
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| 04:42.13 | DTRemenak | ah, there we go, up and running again with 19 hours of "no data" |
| 04:42.22 | uso | is it faster than or what's the advantage? |
| 04:42.30 | DTRemenak | I know of no advantage ;) |
| 04:42.40 | DTRemenak | just how I set it up |
| 04:43.35 | DTRemenak | hm, it's still set to snarf connection data of rl0 too |
| 04:44.04 | uso | are there already bzflag server stats available anywhere? |
| 04:44.15 | DTRemenak | what kind of stats? |
| 04:44.24 | uso | i mean how many players are on every server |
| 04:44.28 | uso | graphs |
| 04:44.36 | blast007 | http://list.bzflag.org/ |
| 04:44.57 | DTRemenak | heh, off the scale ;) |
| 04:45.05 | uso | lol, i see |
| 04:45.11 | blast007 | :) |
| 04:45.31 | blast007 | if you click on each graph, it'll show the weekly view |
| 04:45.32 | uso | or with no data |
| 04:45.34 | DTRemenak | ah, historical data is good |
| 04:45.43 | DTRemenak | yeah, no data |
| 04:46.33 | uso | but also counted with observers |
| 04:46.47 | DTRemenak | http://dtremenak.bakadigital.com/mrtg/ is my stuff. most of it reads no data |
| 04:46.50 | blast007 | I like the 1.7 graph |
| 04:46.59 | DTRemenak | most of the servers it monitors are down most of the time |
| 04:47.13 | DTRemenak | and it doesn't work more often than it works |
| 04:47.32 | DTRemenak | and the thouroughput snarfing has not worked since I broke snmp |
| 04:48.38 | DTRemenak | and for that matter the player stuff seems to still be broken, I wonder if I have some permissions messed up |
| 04:50.42 | uso | what happened in dec 2003? a lot of players in the beginning and than drastically reduced to half the value |
| 04:51.37 | uso | nice long term graphs |
| 04:51.43 | DTRemenak | slashdot happened ;) |
| 04:51.51 | uso | lol |
| 04:52.06 | DTRemenak | least I think that's when it was |
| 04:52.38 | uso | it surely would look like this |
| 04:52.50 | DTRemenak | something looks wrong there though |
| 05:00.18 | DTRemenak | ah, there we go, now mine is working again |
| 05:00.27 | uso | it does not look that wrong, compared with my until now one day graph |
| 05:00.29 | DTRemenak | now if only I could get snmp to work... |
| 05:02.21 | uso | is there really still a server with 1.7? or do you generate a ghost server and player? :) |
| 05:03.20 | DTRemenak | there is a ghost server running at upgrade-your-client-at.bzflag.org |
| 05:03.41 | uso | nice |
| 05:04.43 | DTRemenak | I believe it's running HiX actually |
| 05:04.56 | DTRemenak | could always join and find out ;) |
| 05:05.29 | uso | i have no 1.7 client |
| 05:05.36 | DTRemenak | that's easy to fix |
| 05:06.30 | uso | i know, but i'm too lazy to compile it :) |
| 05:06.31 | DTRemenak | hm, I have the 1.7g3 KOTH client even |
| 05:06.32 | DTRemenak | crazy |
| 05:06.44 | DTRemenak | uso: could always run the windows version in wine |
| 05:06.45 | uso | and there is a danger, i may find it good ;) |
| 05:08.24 | DTRemenak | hm, or maybe it really is a fake server now |
| 05:08.29 | DTRemenak | or maybe it's down |
| 05:08.32 | DTRemenak | I can't connect |
| 05:08.59 | DTRemenak | ah, The statistics were last updated Saturday, 18 June 2005 at 2:45 GMT |
| 05:09.15 | blast007 | ~bzflist17 |
| 05:09.30 | DTRemenak | sadly I don't have any 1.8 clients around |
| 05:09.36 | blast007 | :) |
| 05:10.24 | uso | not |
| 05:11.05 | blast007 | I think 1.8 had the thief flag, and rain...but I never played it, so that's about all I know ;) |
| 05:11.08 | DTRemenak | wierdness, I can't even connect to my own server |
| 05:11.15 | DTRemenak | 1.8 had lots of crazy stuff |
| 05:11.26 | DTRemenak | most of the code was rewritten |
| 05:11.34 | blast007 | yeah |
| 05:11.35 | DTRemenak | xml configuration |
| 05:11.52 | DTRemenak | even down to hud configuration, weather, everything all xmlized |
| 05:12.02 | uso | stuff that did not went into 1.10?? |
| 05:12.07 | DTRemenak | think even the models were xml |
| 05:12.13 | blast007 | wow |
| 05:12.22 | DTRemenak | 1.9 was a clean offshoot of 1.7 |
| 05:12.30 | DTRemenak | 1.8 died a horrible death |
| 05:13.21 | uso | crazy version numbering |
| 05:13.30 | DTRemenak | afaik the latest 1.8 codebase is non-compilable by any compiler known to man. certainly not gcc or visual studio. |
| 05:13.55 | DTRemenak | and nobody knew how most of it worked |
| 05:13.58 | blast007 | thus the reason I could never play it...my VC6 didn't like it ;) |
| 05:13.59 | uso | lol |
| 05:14.08 | DTRemenak | so it was kind of a dead end |
| 05:14.20 | DTRemenak | so they went back and released 1.7g0 and 2 |
| 05:14.35 | DTRemenak | then started working on 1.9, which became 1.10 |
| 05:15.30 | DTRemenak | from then on the versioning pretty much makes sense ;) |
| 05:35.50 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak: i could connect minutes ago |
| 05:36.26 | DTRemenak | Pimpinella, 1.7? |
| 05:36.36 | Pimpinella | once more no log messages though |
| 05:36.43 | Pimpinella | cvs.sf.net |
| 05:36.51 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 05:37.17 | DTRemenak | ah yes, seems to be working now |
| 05:37.51 | Pimpinella | pasta, apples, and soy sauce sounds great |
| 05:38.16 | trepan | hm, a shrink might look better then a fade |
| 05:38.20 | DTRemenak | found some carrots and broccoli too, think I'll go for the asian vegetable pasta |
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| 06:09.21 | wegstar | g'night all |
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| 06:41.39 | ruskie | hmmm how would bzflag be playable using a game pad? |
| 06:47.05 | DTRemenak | it's fairly playable |
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| 06:53.13 | ruskie | the thing is I'm thinking of getting something along these lines: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN,CRID=11,CONTENTID=6951 |
| 06:53.29 | ruskie | and was just wondering how it would behave compared to a mouse or a keyboard playing mode |
| 06:53.55 | ruskie | since bzflag is the main game I play :) |
| 06:55.29 | Tupone | why not getting a joystick ? |
| 06:55.53 | ruskie | well I'd like to play some emulated stuff as well :) |
| 06:56.01 | ruskie | and I already have like 3 joysticks :) |
| 06:56.09 | ruskie | 1 digital 2 analog |
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| 08:26.26 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (ServerCommand.cxx ServerCommand.h Makefile.am): Adding ServerCommand class to handle server side commands |
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| 08:28.48 | CIA-13 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: Moving /msg and /serverquery to use ServerCommand class |
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| 09:20.23 | trepan | Tupone: when does mapOfCommands get deleted? |
| 09:20.35 | Tupone | never |
| 09:20.40 | Tupone | should be ? |
| 09:20.46 | trepan | why are you allocating it? |
| 09:21.00 | Tupone | to hold things |
| 09:21.09 | trepan | why not static? |
| 09:21.33 | trepan | ie: why the pointer? |
| 09:21.44 | Tupone | I take the LocalCommand.cxx code and I pasted ... I have to see why I did before :) |
| 09:23.31 | Tupone | I don't remember why. I think I got some error. It was initialized during the main initialization, and I remember I had to delay it |
| 09:23.43 | Tupone | but the details I forgot |
| 09:23.52 | trepan | either way, bad form |
| 09:24.05 | trepan | in both cases |
| 09:24.20 | Tupone | so what you suggest? |
| 09:24.55 | trepan | 1. figure out why you had to delay them and get rid of the pointers |
| 09:25.00 | trepan | 2. use a manager class |
| 09:25.15 | trepan | 3. use some sort of init/kill system if need be |
| 09:27.22 | Tupone | How can I specify that the initialization in command.o should be done after the initialization in ServerCommand.o ? I know I could od in other language, but I don't know how to do in c++ |
| 09:27.57 | trepan | map start init'ed to 0 entries, i don't see the prob with a straight static |
| 09:28.11 | trepan | compiles fine... |
| 09:28.23 | trepan | cleaner code :) |
| 09:29.06 | Tupone | even if I use the map not being previously initialized. map has a constructor, but it can be called after I use it |
| 09:29.36 | Tupone | both user of map and map are initialized statically |
| 09:29.49 | Pimpinella | IMHO the player object should handle it's own server command requests |
| 09:30.21 | trepan | Pimpinella: separate issue, let's get this one off the table first |
| 09:30.22 | Pimpinella | i thought of a chain of resoponsibility using flyweight objects |
| 09:30.38 | Pimpinella | oh, thought you were talking if this |
| 09:30.40 | trepan | Tupone: where is the init order prob? |
| 09:30.54 | Tupone | Yeah, singleton should be the answer |
| 09:31.35 | Tupone | ok. command.cxx declare the ServerCommand object in command.cxx |
| 09:31.44 | Tupone | line 148/149 |
| 09:32.23 | Tupone | if the map is static, the map get created at startup too |
| 09:32.35 | trepan | so? |
| 09:32.42 | Tupone | constructor will be called for both |
| 09:32.57 | Tupone | ServerCommand constructor use the map |
| 09:33.21 | Tupone | so if the map constructor is called before serverCommand is ok. |
| 09:33.31 | Tupone | the other way no |
| 09:33.54 | trepan | ah, you've got a contorted class hierarchy |
| 09:34.06 | Tupone | I think Is mandatory to call map constructor after is use |
| 09:34.10 | Tupone | before :) |
| 09:35.05 | Tupone | I could remove a pointer for the map, and add to the serverCommand instantiations :) |
| 09:36.43 | Tupone | I wonder who designed a language without allowing to specify order of initialization |
| 09:37.39 | Tupone | Question to my-self. I know who :) |
| 09:38.19 | trepan | best of luck, crash time ;) |
| 09:38.19 | Chestal | Tupone: you mean for global statics? |
| 09:38.23 | Tupone | yeah |
| 09:38.32 | Tupone | with constructor |
| 09:38.52 | Chestal | can always replace those with a SIngleton I guess? |
| 09:39.20 | Tupone | yeah, in fact what I did is just a singleton implementation. Not with template, but my own |
| 09:40.32 | Pimpinella | Tupone: whats wrong with order of initialization? |
| 09:41.57 | Tupone | I cannot specify, so it happened that the handler of command, that register within their constructor, use the map not being constructed. So I new the map the first time I use it. |
| 09:42.57 | Tupone | Other way is not doing that in the ServerCommand constructor, Just exporting another entry and calling it where is safe |
| 09:43.42 | Chestal | register callbacks with a Init singleton and then tell that singleton at start of main (or whereever) to run all the callbacks :-) |
| 09:43.43 | Pimpinella | order of initialization is always order of declaration |
| 09:44.00 | Tupone | Pimpinella: they are in different files |
| 09:44.06 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 09:45.17 | Tupone | Chestal: I wonder if the one new removing deserve it |
| 09:45.48 | Chestal | Tupone: probably not, but would be an alternative to call all the init functins manually |
| 09:46.12 | Tupone | Now I'm not calling any init. I just declare the objects |
| 09:47.25 | Tupone | their constructor did it |
| 09:49.15 | Chestal | hmm, just a thought: is it feasible to define all those interdependable statics in _one_ source file? |
| 09:51.22 | Tupone | Chestal: I'm doing that object so you could execute code where you need, not juts in command.cxx |
| 09:52.13 | Tupone | so if we want a class being able to handle a command, just need to inherit from this. |
| 09:52.54 | Chestal | yes, I understand, that is why it is global/SIngleton |
| 09:52.54 | Tupone | so I think is feasible, but does not fullfill this (mine) requirement |
| 09:53.43 | Chestal | just wondering if we could not simply put all the global statics into one file, so init order would be specified. Guess it would lead to further dependencies, all the headers woudl have to be included often |
| 09:54.01 | Chestal | or, hmm, maybe not |
| 09:54.36 | Chestal | but I think it is better to solve the dependency problem explicitly anyway |
| 09:55.01 | Tupone | I solved explicitly, but I needed to use pointer :( |
| 09:56.12 | Tupone | I think it is the language that should have solved :/ |
| 09:57.44 | Chestal | well, what's so bad about the pointer? you can hide it to the outside if you want? |
| 09:58.13 | Tupone | yeah, they are hidden inside. |
| 09:58.44 | Chestal | you coudl also use a static variable inside function and return reference to it |
| 09:58.51 | Chestal | these are initilized when function is first called |
| 09:58.57 | Chestal | by compiler magic |
| 09:59.40 | Tupone | yeah. I remember ... |
| 10:00.16 | Tupone | have you some spare time to code it in ServerCommand.* I'm not quite sure on how to do it |
| 10:00.20 | Tupone | :) |
| 10:02.31 | Chestal | the current solution works? |
| 10:02.37 | Tupone | yes |
| 10:06.09 | Chestal | good enough for now then :-) |
| 10:06.17 | Tupone | ok |
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| 11:05.22 | Tupone | hi DTRemenak, I'm here to remember about |
| 11:05.44 | DTRemenak | nhuh? |
| 11:06.03 | Tupone | windows project file :) |
| 11:06.09 | DTRemenak | ah, still in linux |
| 11:06.13 | DTRemenak | try in a few hours, it's 4am here and I want to go to bed :) |
| 11:06.17 | Tupone | and I have 2 new entry for you . |
| 11:06.18 | Tupone | ok |
| 11:06.22 | Tupone | eek |
| 11:06.36 | DTRemenak | nwas playing too much, talking about politics |
| 11:06.43 | DTRemenak | ngot carried away |
| 11:06.47 | Tupone | ncya |
| 11:06.56 | DTRemenak | not concious enough to remember not to type n :) |
| 11:07.04 | Tupone | :) |
| 11:07.08 | DTRemenak | g'night |
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| 13:27.25 | CIA-13 | BZFlag: make sure filenames don't contain any harmful characters. |
| 13:27.25 | CIA-13 | BZFlag: don't rely on the plugin for this |
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| 16:04.45 | ibunny | tada! |
| 16:04.59 | CBG | !adat |
| 16:05.00 | TheLastSpartan | CBG: Huh? |
| 16:05.06 | CBG | !nevermind |
| 16:05.07 | TheLastSpartan | CBG: Poke me there again, and you'll pull back a stump. |
| 16:09.10 | JeffM2501 | what are you some kind of freak? |
| 16:09.29 | CBG | yeah. |
| 16:09.35 | CBG | you sound suprised jeff |
| 16:09.53 | JeffM2501 | poking poor defenselese bots in there private places |
| 16:10.15 | CBG | IT makes idle threats. |
| 16:14.55 | Grumbler | ~dict spartan |
| 16:15.06 | CBG | ironic. :) |
| 16:16.00 | Grumbler | ~more |
| 16:16.00 | ibot | hmm... more is Displays the contents of the named files, one screenful at a time. Syntax: more (file1) (file2) ...(fileN). Where file1 through fileN are the files to display. Example: more papers/history-final displays the file papers/history-final. |
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| 16:16.20 | Grumbler | oh well |
| 16:16.27 | brad2901 | ~dict 2 spartan |
| 16:16.39 | brad2901 | ~dict 3 spartan |
| 16:22.50 | JeffM2501 | iy is unwise to mess with a spartan |
| 16:23.45 | CBG | "ly" ? |
| 16:23.58 | JeffM2501 | it |
| 16:24.23 | CBG | :) I survived... |
| 16:24.24 | Grumbler | ~nslookup 66.35.250.207 |
| 16:24.40 | BenUrban | !lart CBG |
| 16:24.46 | BenUrban | :) |
| 16:24.48 | JeffM2501 | death is not the only recourse |
| 16:25.08 | CBG | Thanks BenUrban: I'm glad those AOL CDs are finally being put to use. |
| 16:25.15 | BenUrban | yep |
| 16:25.40 | CBG | I have to go... |
| 16:25.51 | CBG | No, don't cry. I will return later! |
| 16:26.31 | Grumbler | hmmm, make now runs autogen and configure |
| 16:27.00 | Grumbler | ..looks like someone got tired of dumb questions |
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| 16:28.12 | CIA-13 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/plugins/bzAPI.txt: document ban, hostban, kill, kick events and bz_saveRecBuf |
| 16:28.32 | JeffM2501 | ummm Pimpinella |
| 16:28.43 | JeffM2501 | that document is no longer valid |
| 16:28.55 | Grumbler | then should it really exist |
| 16:29.00 | JeffM2501 | I know |
| 16:29.05 | JeffM2501 | but CVS was DOWN yesteday |
| 16:29.08 | JeffM2501 | and I could not commit |
| 16:29.38 | Grumbler | heh |
| 16:29.46 | JeffM2501 | I updated all the HTML docs to be current |
| 16:30.05 | Grumbler | fyi, i hate html docs in unix |
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| 16:30.21 | Grumbler | but, i can deal |
| 16:30.31 | JeffM2501 | then tell me of a format that allows ease of editing, formating, and is cross plat |
| 16:30.43 | Grumbler | txt :) |
| 16:30.51 | JeffM2501 | dosn't allow formating |
| 16:31.08 | Grumbler | formating is over rated :) |
| 16:31.24 | JeffM2501 | not for code stuff, it's helpfull to seperate out the code parts from the description parts |
| 16:31.50 | JeffM2501 | now if only Pimpinella would answer me |
| 16:31.52 | Grumbler | on a similar note, what about the wholly out of date READMEs .....they going away? |
| 16:32.00 | JeffM2501 | I dono |
| 16:32.03 | CIA-13 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/ (6 files): update HTML docs to be current |
| 16:32.08 | JeffM2501 | that is all tim's deal |
| 16:32.57 | Grumbler | with make runing autogen/configure, the main README is now confusing......and that is just part of the problems/errors |
| 16:33.11 | JeffM2501 | I agreee |
| 16:33.17 | JeffM2501 | I say we remove the readme |
| 16:33.24 | JeffM2501 | rand the makefiles |
| 16:33.31 | JeffM2501 | and replace it with an IDE ;) |
| 16:33.36 | Grumbler | heh |
| 16:34.13 | JeffM2501 | F7 is so much better then ./autogen.sh;./configure;make;pray; |
| 16:34.34 | Grumbler | depends on what you deal with day in, day out |
| 16:34.49 | JeffM2501 | looks like the only new funciton is save rec buf |
| 16:34.53 | Grumbler | i wasnt too comfortable in VC |
| 16:35.01 | JeffM2501 | ok fine fine |
| 16:35.09 | JeffM2501 | hit build in angunta :) |
| 16:35.28 | JeffM2501 | or we can go to scons |
| 16:35.39 | Grumbler | yumm, scones |
| 16:36.12 | orange | perhaps I haven't hit on the right scone yet, but I have to say I didn't enjoy the ones I've had |
| 16:37.41 | Grumbler | orange, yeah, that is typical for american bakers......now, i know this place in Nice,Fr, just off the prom de angleis(spelling is borked).....made the whole day start off right |
| 16:37.44 | JeffM2501 | anyone know if Pimpinella has IM? |
| 16:37.48 | CIA-13 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/bzAPI.txt: remove old text based doc in favor of new HTML hotness |
| 16:38.23 | CIA-13 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/doc/functions.html: add record functions |
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| 16:38.32 | JeffM2501 | cus that could mess him up |
| 16:40.00 | Grumbler | also, shouldnt the plugin htmls, be in the main doc dir.....not on their own? |
| 16:40.12 | JeffM2501 | Grumbler, eventualy |
| 16:40.23 | JeffM2501 | right now I'm keeping them seperate as they are kinda "optinal" |
| 16:41.09 | Grumbler | more NEWS |
| 16:41.14 | Grumbler | doh |
| 16:41.33 | Grumbler | theres another worthless file |
| 16:41.48 | JeffM2501 | some of those are things that one of the build system wants |
| 16:41.50 | JeffM2501 | dono why |
| 16:41.57 | JeffM2501 | they should probably be kept updated |
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| 16:42.11 | JeffM2501 | or auto generated from like the main page blog or something |
| 16:42.42 | Grumbler | yeah, the NEWS file looks more like it did contain something at one time, then moved |
| 16:42.54 | Grumbler | its a single line of txt now |
| 16:43.02 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:43.03 | Grumbler | see version entry in ChangeLog |
| 16:43.17 | JeffM2501 | gotta love 1995 technology :) |
| 16:43.46 | JeffM2501 | vote for me and I promice to remove all those unesisary files!! |
| 16:43.53 | JeffM2501 | "think of the children" |
| 16:43.56 | BenUrban | not until you spell it right |
| 16:43.59 | JeffM2501 | "I am not a cook" |
| 16:44.03 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 16:44.06 | JeffM2501 | I don't have to spell |
| 16:44.10 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'd have a cabinet |
| 16:44.15 | JeffM2501 | ministers and stuff |
| 16:44.30 | RPG_ | a cabinet of smart people |
| 16:44.31 | Grumbler | a windows cobinet ") |
| 16:44.45 | JeffM2501 | I support ALL Operating systems |
| 16:44.49 | JeffM2501 | except beOS |
| 16:44.51 | JeffM2501 | it's stupid |
| 16:45.04 | JeffM2501 | I have a broad and deep platform |
| 16:45.19 | RPG_ | ...but will it affect the gas prices? |
| 16:45.28 | JeffM2501 | No new taxes! |
| 16:45.35 | RPG_ | Ooh! |
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| 16:45.50 | JeffM2501 | Tank gas prices will NEVER rise under my adminstration |
| 16:45.51 | Grumbler | wow there is tim |
| 16:46.55 | JeffM2501 | heh |
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| 16:49.41 | Grumbler | well, it built with no problems.....i just need to get some more memory to quicken the pace a little |
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| 17:09.41 | TD-Linux | ~microsoft |
| 17:09.41 | ibot | hmm... microsoft is "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuum cleaners." |
| 17:15.15 | JeffM2501 | whitty |
| 17:15.48 | RPG_ | doesn't reall make sens |
| 17:15.49 | RPG_ | e |
| 17:15.56 | JeffM2501 | no, no it dosn't |
| 17:15.56 | RPG_ | oh... now i get it |
| 17:15.59 | RPG_ | or not |
| 17:23.58 | wegstar | :( |
| 17:27.09 | blast007 | ~nslookup slugkilla.game-host.org |
| 17:27.14 | blast007 | ... |
| 17:27.28 | TD-Linux | should I try it? |
| 17:27.32 | RPG_ | sure |
| 17:27.40 | TD-Linux | jk |
| 17:27.43 | RPG_ | lol |
| 17:27.57 | TD-Linux | I just had to to get your hopes up that I would be banned forever from bzflag |
| 17:28.28 | JeffM2501 | why? |
| 17:29.17 | RPG_ | TD-Linux: what does stfu mean? |
| 17:29.17 | RPG_ | blast007: shut the f*** up |
| 17:29.17 | RPG_ | TD-Linux: ooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:29.17 | RPG_ | RPG_: TD-Linux: tell it to JeffM and see.... oohhh |
| 17:30.32 | JeffM2501 | what is wrong with frel |
| 17:30.42 | wegstar | :) |
| 17:31.53 | JeffM2501 | got complaints about prof chaos, anyone recomend him on masterban? |
| 17:32.04 | RPG_ | not yet |
| 17:32.12 | RPG_ | what's he doing now? |
| 17:32.17 | JeffM2501 | normal stuff |
| 17:32.20 | RPG_ | lol |
| 17:32.22 | JeffM2501 | he's been removed from bzbb |
| 17:32.27 | JeffM2501 | and global auth |
| 17:32.33 | JeffM2501 | but I didn't have cause to masterban him |
| 17:32.47 | Legoguy|L | just thought i'd let you people know that bzflag 2.0.2 doesn't compile with gcc 4.0.1 .. and anon cvs isn't responding :| |
| 17:33.21 | JeffM2501 | Legoguy they have been doing maint, and what "dosn't compile" with it? |
| 17:33.55 | Legoguy|L | oh wait there it goes.. checking out |
| 17:34.00 | Legoguy|L | ill get the error in a sec |
| 17:34.18 | JeffM2501 | CVS has been on and off |
| 17:34.23 | wegstar | scanlime: ping |
| 17:34.59 | Legoguy|L | http://pastebin.com/333885 |
| 17:35.09 | scanlime | ? |
| 17:35.52 | JeffM2501 | ewww |
| 17:36.10 | JeffM2501 | so gcc 4.0.1 is not compatabale with earlyer versions? |
| 17:36.19 | wegstar | umm... could a CIA bot join my channel? |
| 17:36.20 | Legoguy|L | in some respects |
| 17:36.24 | Legoguy|L | i guess |
| 17:36.30 | Legoguy|L | i haven't looked into it too much |
| 17:36.38 | Legoguy|L | gcc 3.4 broke stuff too iirc ;) |
| 17:36.45 | JeffM2501 | probably |
| 17:36.49 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 17:36.52 | scanlime | wegstar: yes.. but this isn't really the place to ask, and I can't do it immediately. Email me. |
| 17:36.56 | wegstar | ok |
| 17:37.25 | Legoguy|L | but they finally got rid of the darn `stupid quotes' and actually use the ‘correct characters’ |
| 17:38.26 | scanlime | 'correct' would seem to assume you're using a UTF-8 locale |
| 17:38.50 | Legoguy|L | yep. |
| 17:38.56 | Legoguy|L | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 17:39.52 | Legoguy|L | they prolly use the same old `' when a non-utf-8 locale is specified... but meh |
| 17:43.25 | Legoguy|L | JeffM2501: it also prints a lot of things like "/usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.0.1/include/g++-v4/bits/stl_uninitialized.h:113: warning: control may reach end of non-void function ‘_ForwardIterator std::__uninitialized_copy_aux(_InputIterator, _InputIterator, _ForwardIterator, __false_type) [with _InputIterator = __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator<std::string*, std::vector<std::string, std::allocator<std::string> > >, _ForwardI |
| 17:43.25 | Legoguy|L | terator = __gnu_cxx::__normal_iterator<std::string*, std::vector<std::string, std::allocator<std::string> > >]’ being inlined" |
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| 17:44.13 | Legoguy|L | not sure if that's from gcc itself or from a discrepancy in the code |
| 17:44.16 | Legoguy|L | of bzflag |
| 17:44.42 | Legoguy|L | it looks kind of like a warning from the internals of gcc itself but i'm no expert with that stuff |
| 17:45.15 | JeffM2501 | sounds like it's in some sort of uber strict mode |
| 17:45.21 | JeffM2501 | like how VC8 is going to default |
| 17:45.31 | Legoguy|L | its just a warning, it still keeps compiling |
| 17:45.50 | JeffM2501 | there are probably options to tell it to behave more like older GCC |
| 17:46.28 | Legoguy|L | meh |
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| 17:47.00 | Legoguy|L | hey how bout that cvs compiled farther than 2.0.2 did |
| 17:47.18 | Legoguy|L | its still compiling too.. maybe its already fixed in cvs |
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| 17:47.41 | JeffM2501 | 2.0.2 is rather old |
| 17:47.53 | Legoguy|L | yeah |
| 17:47.54 | Legoguy|L | but |
| 17:48.02 | Legoguy|L | its the latest 'stable' |
| 17:48.03 | Legoguy|L | so |
| 17:48.09 | JeffM2501 | heh 'stable' |
| 17:48.11 | JeffM2501 | right |
| 17:48.29 | Legoguy|L | or should i say 'official' |
| 17:48.53 | JeffM2501 | heh "official" |
| 17:49.57 | Grumbler | i dont believe it is officially stable |
| 17:50.17 | JeffM2501 | it receved allmost the exact same attention as CVS |
| 17:50.28 | JeffM2501 | the "release" is just a point in time |
| 17:51.10 | Grumbler | so the bugs are more "known" than that of cvs |
| 17:51.13 | Legoguy|L | yeah but nearly 90% of people playing bzflag use whatever's on the front page |
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| 17:51.27 | Grumbler | good for them |
| 17:51.34 | Grumbler | the world needs slackers |
| 17:51.37 | JeffM2501 | that dosn't make that verison any better then any other version :) |
| 17:51.47 | JeffM2501 | 80% of the world uses windows |
| 17:52.00 | JeffM2501 | 50% of them ME or older |
| 17:52.03 | Legoguy|L | so thats what i mean by 'official' - the 'most readily available version from the front page of the website' |
| 17:52.26 | JeffM2501 | dosn't mean it will work with all newer compilers |
| 17:52.53 | Legoguy|L | of course not.. i didn't imply that.. |
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| 17:53.10 | Legoguy|L | bah whatever |
| 17:53.19 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 17:53.23 | Legoguy|L | cvs compiles fine with gcc 4.0.1 |
| 17:53.34 | Grumbler | whoot |
| 17:53.42 | JeffM2501 | I just find if funny when people say stuff in ways that asume that the "releases" are stable and should just work |
| 17:53.46 | JeffM2501 | an OS we are not :) |
| 17:53.47 | Grumbler | someone add that to the feature list |
| 17:53.49 | JeffM2501 | but cool |
| 17:53.55 | JeffM2501 | somone probalby upgrade |
| 17:54.06 | JeffM2501 | I know the makefiles were updated, that probably helped set options and stuff |
| 17:54.09 | Grumbler | some are still running 2.0.0 |
| 17:57.28 | Grumbler | subspace, is that anything like hyperspace? |
| 17:57.37 | JeffM2501 | what is hyperspace? |
| 17:57.59 | Grumbler | time distorted space |
| 17:58.06 | Grumbler | existing in the 5th dimension |
| 17:58.07 | JeffM2501 | this is a game |
| 17:58.13 | JeffM2501 | all space exisits in time |
| 17:58.16 | Grumbler | ah |
| 17:58.23 | JeffM2501 | so you are saying gravity? |
| 17:58.29 | JeffM2501 | since it distorts spacetime |
| 17:59.03 | Grumbler | heh |
| 17:59.26 | JeffM2501 | this is old old win95 game |
| 17:59.39 | JeffM2501 | I wish to set up a server and have some of you all play it |
| 17:59.43 | JeffM2501 | to see some ideas |
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| 18:08.40 | Grumbler | so like, win95.....how badly should i expect it to bork my xp system ;) |
| 18:08.58 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 18:09.03 | JeffM2501 | that's why I'm seting up a server here |
| 18:09.04 | Grumbler | heh |
| 18:09.08 | JeffM2501 | to test it under XP |
| 18:09.13 | JeffM2501 | it uses directX |
| 18:09.16 | JeffM2501 | so it should run |
| 18:09.23 | JeffM2501 | it also may be old enough to run well under wine |
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| 18:10.09 | Grumbler | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.41 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 18:10.45 | JeffM2501 | that is the new version of it |
| 18:10.51 | JeffM2501 | I don't like the changes they made |
| 18:11.03 | JeffM2501 | that is why I'm trying to set up the origonal |
| 18:12.43 | Grumbler | "The most common response to such an event is a whine that goes like this: "He killed me with one shot! That's not fair!" Yes, he did kill you with one shot, but no, it was not unfair." |
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| 18:29.05 | sussi | works the /official for matches on dub:59998? |
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| 19:17.23 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501, fwiw, subspace "sorta works" on wine ;) |
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| 20:00.27 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, how bad is it? |
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| 20:07.35 | DTRemenak | pretty bad :) |
| 20:07.49 | DTRemenak | wine doesn't support ddraw clipping very well |
| 20:07.59 | DTRemenak | and subspace uses it extensively |
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| 20:08.21 | DTRemenak | might run better in desktop mode |
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| 20:29.26 | Tupone | who can update the Doxygen in http://bzflag.org/doxygen/ ? 2004 is the last time it was updated |
| 20:32.01 | CIA-13 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: /reset /shutdown /superkill /gameover /countdown updated to use ServerCommand |
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| 20:40.37 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
| 20:40.52 | Tupone | ciao :) |
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| 21:48.52 | SerajewelKS | i'm can't seem to get alsa to work with bzflag. i've set the audio driver to "alsa" but bzflag still complains that it can't open the audio device, even with no other program is using audio. |
| 21:48.59 | SerajewelKS | bzflag -d says "Couldn't open audio: No available audio device" |
| 21:50.00 | Tupone | SerajewelKS: what distro? |
| 21:50.07 | Pimpinella | tried dsp? |
| 21:55.06 | SerajewelKS | Tupone, debian |
| 21:55.14 | SerajewelKS | Pimpinella, dsp works, but i'm trying not to use it because then i don't get dmix |
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| 21:55.22 | Tupone | does it work from root? |
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| 22:43.13 | jomojo | I have a question for silvercat i set the -maxidle 300 and it doesn't kick after 300 whats up with that? |
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| 22:52.25 | zoly | g'day |
| 22:52.44 | zoly | why is "Wikipedia abuse" a reason for global bzflag ban ? |
| 22:53.34 | Tupone | cheat guy who used to promote is cheat client through the bzflag page on wikipedia |
| 22:53.56 | trepan | jomojo: looks like it's also dependant on messaging, give a 3X idle factor |
| 22:54.13 | Tupone | zoly: satisfied? |
| 22:54.26 | zoly | yes, i guess so. thanks Tupone |
| 22:56.15 | trepan | jomojo: ... which I don't agree with, no special treatment for chatty folks |
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| 23:00.06 | SportyGal | !weather 90277 |
| 23:00.08 | TheLastSpartan | SportyGal: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 77°F (2:49 PM PDT on August 10, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 64°F. Wind: WNW at 14 mph (22 km/h). Pressure: 29.98 in (1015 hPa). Visibility: 9.0 miles (14.5 kilometers). UV: 8 out of 16 |
| 23:02.28 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl not be wikibedia abuse, but just wiki abuse, as it was our wiki, not wikipedia |
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| 23:10.23 | meacan | Anyone got a few mins to help with bzfs plugins? |
| 23:11.05 | JeffM2501 | what plugin? |
| 23:11.53 | meacan | It seems like if i want to add my own command, eg /foo, i'll only get the first param to my handler. Eg. If i write "/foo bar something", my handler only sees command=foo param=bar. |
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| 23:12.32 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl add them all to the message part |
| 23:12.37 | JeffM2501 | could be a bug tho |
| 23:13.04 | meacan | try looking in commands.cxx linje 2977 .. it says: if (params.size() >1) param = params[1]; |
| 23:13.29 | JeffM2501 | hmm |
| 23:13.32 | meacan | linje is line :) |
| 23:13.40 | JeffM2501 | it was suposed to loop thru and add them all |
| 23:14.05 | purple_cow | why not just pass a vector? :P |
| 23:14.18 | JeffM2501 | 1, can't pass a vector thru windows |
| 23:14.24 | meacan | seems like if i get them using the events (bz_eChatMessageEvent) i get the whole string |
| 23:14.25 | JeffM2501 | 2 not all commands want it broken up |
| 23:14.32 | purple_cow | pass an array :P |
| 23:14.50 | JeffM2501 | there is no way I can know the proper deliminator |
| 23:14.54 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: it doesn't make sense to tokenize and then recombine |
| 23:14.56 | JeffM2501 | so I'll make them break it up |
| 23:15.07 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, I'm only toking up the first part |
| 23:15.13 | JeffM2501 | to get the command |
| 23:15.30 | purple_cow | how about if the plugin wants them recombined, they can recombine it themselves? :P |
| 23:15.42 | JeffM2501 | how bout if the plugin wants to break them up, they can tok them? |
| 23:15.56 | JeffM2501 | there are args for both ways |
| 23:16.03 | JeffM2501 | and probably abut even useage |
| 23:16.06 | JeffM2501 | of each |
| 23:16.09 | purple_cow | because you're throwing out data by tokenizing twice |
| 23:16.12 | JeffM2501 | but the code is wrong |
| 23:16.21 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, I didn't want to tok twice |
| 23:16.24 | JeffM2501 | the code is wrong |
| 23:16.43 | purple_cow | and it's hard for plugins to do things like parse out quoted strings, especially if we don't export tokenize() |
| 23:16.44 | JeffM2501 | I wanted to just pass in message minus the command |
| 23:16.57 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, the sample plugins include text utils |
| 23:17.02 | JeffM2501 | they have full access to tok |
| 23:17.10 | JeffM2501 | so no it's not hard |
| 23:17.32 | JeffM2501 | how bout I pass both :) |
| 23:17.36 | JeffM2501 | then they use what they want :0 |
| 23:20.00 | JeffM2501 | meacan, I'll have it fixed in a sec |
| 23:20.09 | meacan | JeffM2501: cool thanks |
| 23:22.42 | JeffM2501 | you'll now get 3 thigns in the slash |
| 23:22.56 | JeffM2501 | the full message with the command name loped off |
| 23:23.03 | JeffM2501 | and a string list of the params |
| 23:23.08 | JeffM2501 | space delimnated |
| 23:23.32 | JeffM2501 | this will bump the API version tho, since a class changed |
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| 23:32.17 | SerajewelKS | i can't seem to get bzflag on linux to use ALSA as the audio driver.. any suggestions? |
| 23:32.45 | SerajewelKS | it works using DSP, but it can't open the audio device using ALSA. other ALSA apps work fine. |
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| 23:41.40 | CIA-13 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): make custom slash commands provide a list of params in adition to a real working message string |
| 23:42.43 | CIA-13 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/bzfs.vcproj: server command files |
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| 23:45.46 | JeffM2501 | meacan, that should do it for ya |
| 23:45.55 | CIA-13 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/ (3 files in 3 dirs): update sample plugins with new / command callback |
| 23:48.09 | meacan | JeffM2501: Thanks - seems to work nicely. |
| 23:48.24 | SerajewelKS | bzflag+alsa? |
| 23:49.11 | JeffM2501 | if you use SDL then it's up to SDL what it uses |
| 23:49.20 | meacan | a minor inconsistency: bzApiString vs bzAPIStringList (API vs Api) |
| 23:49.22 | JeffM2501 | make sure your SDL is made with alsa support |
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| 23:51.47 | SerajewelKS | JeffM2501, it's linked to libasound |
| 23:51.57 | JeffM2501 | does that support alsa? |
| 23:52.06 | SerajewelKS | libasound is the ALSA library... |
| 23:52.09 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 23:52.17 | JeffM2501 | I dono the specifics of it |
| 23:52.36 | JeffM2501 | I just know you set stuff in the sound driver and device and we pass it to SDL |
| 23:52.47 | JeffM2501 | there was a doc on SDLs site about what posible paramaters you can pass it |
| 23:52.52 | SerajewelKS | right, i set "alsa" as the driver, and it didn't work |
| 23:53.09 | JeffM2501 | IIRC for alsa it wason't logical like that |
| 23:53.15 | JeffM2501 | check the SDL docs for alsa |
| 23:53.20 | JeffM2501 | it was like some other word |
| 23:53.34 | JeffM2501 | Tupone is the person who knows the most about it |
| 23:53.40 | JeffM2501 | but he's asleep now |
| 23:54.32 | SerajewelKS | well, there aren't a whole lot of SDL docs |
| 23:54.51 | JeffM2501 | actualy it's decently documented |
| 23:54.58 | SerajewelKS | #define DRIVER_NAME "alsa" |
| 23:55.02 | JeffM2501 | let me check my logs |
| 23:55.07 | SerajewelKS | would imply that it's "alsa" |
| 23:55.09 | JeffM2501 | there was a nother thing you had to do with the device |
| 23:56.01 | JeffM2501 | damn my logs are huge |
| 23:58.32 | JeffM2501 | looks like the common sugestion is to set the sound to oss and the device to /dev/dsp and then sdl takes care of it |
| 23:59.33 | SerajewelKS | except that that won't use alsa... |
| 23:59.44 | JeffM2501 | you sure? |