| 00:01.49 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/RadarRenderer.cxx: really show all in normal radar mode, disable orientation check |
| 00:11.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/RadarRenderer.cxx: disable GL_CULL_FACE in normal mode |
| 00:12.22 | zoly | trepan, a right. "mult" seems to mean "scale ip/down by factor" |
| 00:12.40 | zoly | didn't know that one |
| 00:13.15 | trepan | short for multiply... |
| 00:14.06 | zoly | ~serverlist |
| 00:14.18 | zoly | !serverlist |
| 00:14.44 | blast007 | ~bzflist |
| 00:14.56 | zoly | thanks |
| 00:15.08 | blast007 | :) |
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| 00:15.51 | zoly | amazing. no flags no jumps on #1 |
| 00:16.21 | zoly | normally first 8 or so are jumps+flags |
| 00:16.46 | zoly | no bots, real players even |
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| 00:19.56 | blast007 | that style of server is useful for building up skill, because it forces you to rely on dodging ;) |
| 00:20.36 | zoly | i don't like jumping and a number of flags so much, therefore my surprise |
| 00:20.53 | zoly | cause no jump no flag seemed to have lost attraction |
| 00:21.40 | zoly | some things i hate are, steamroller on base upon spawn, or camping GM |
| 00:22.05 | zoly | also i'm not a friend of SW |
| 00:22.40 | blast007 | yeah :) |
| 00:23.57 | zoly | i prefer playing no jump no flags but recently not many servers with such maps and players were online |
| 00:26.24 | blast007 | I typically play on the jumping servers, but I have fun playing on ducati style too |
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| 00:46.49 | RPG1 | hi |
| 00:47.08 | RPG1 | gotta find Lan! |
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| 01:27.37 | orchid | menotume: |
| 01:28.09 | orchid | menotume: can you do a count down on dub59998? |
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| 02:28.51 | zoly | what's the variable to /set _numberofshots ? |
| 02:29.02 | blast007 | there isn't one |
| 02:29.08 | zoly | ah |
| 02:29.11 | blast007 | command line only |
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| 03:31.49 | spldart | Quick question... |
| 03:31.58 | spldart | And yeah I could be wrong... |
| 03:32.16 | spldart | But has anyone had any problems with a tank user named Headcrash? |
| 03:32.49 | spldart | Dude appeared to be moving through air like wings lining up on me in the middle of my jump and then fried me with laser. |
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| 03:33.26 | spldart | There was one other time where he appeared to have a super flag ability yet in the list he showed no flag. |
| 03:33.34 | spldart | This was in spiralzone |
| 03:52.47 | Aribeth | hummm... |
| 03:53.31 | Aribeth | speldart, i havn't seen that, but i have seen one other player that seemed to be just too good |
| 03:53.36 | Aribeth | to be true |
| 03:58.16 | zoly | spldart: ip address would be of more help than the nick |
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| 04:26.09 | spldart | spiral isn't my place so I don't have an IP... Just thought I'd see if this guy had been reported by others... He hasn't been at my place with that name so yeah |
| 04:26.32 | spldart | I could be wrong as I said as well :/ |
| 04:28.48 | spldart | Night all |
| 04:38.02 | SportChick | I know spldart is gone, but fyi, to my recollection, HeadCrash is a fairly regular player. IP is 66.92.72.79 |
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| 07:46.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/game/BzMaterial.cxx: <insert disparaging comment about visual studio here> - fixes http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4617 |
| 07:46.45 | BIYA | Any devs here? |
| 07:47.07 | BIYA | I need info :) |
| 07:59.32 | trepan | DTRemenak: ack, what's that? |
| 08:00.48 | jpa- | ~bzfquery punkspalace.servegame.org:5154 |
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| 08:09.45 | Aribeth | hi jpa- |
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| 08:14.31 | jpa- | hi Aribeth :* |
| 08:20.02 | Aribeth | jpa- misses and kisses the wall |
| 08:20.36 | jpa- | :( |
| 08:20.49 | DTRemenak | trepan: that's std::string == std::string not working right :) |
| 08:21.34 | trepan | DTRemenak: could you try: "if (materials[i]->getName() == target) {" |
| 08:21.43 | trepan | that's the pattern in TextureMatrix and DynamicCOlor |
| 08:21.46 | DTRemenak | already did |
| 08:22.00 | trepan | why the diff? |
| 08:22.01 | DTRemenak | also tried temp storing it into a local std::string |
| 08:22.10 | DTRemenak | neither one worked |
| 08:22.20 | trepan | you might want to add a comment... |
| 08:22.23 | DTRemenak | changing one of them to const char* worked |
| 08:22.25 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 08:23.54 | trepan | so (const char*) is getting casted to (const std::string), or vice-versa? the latter seems wrong |
| 08:24.53 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/game/BzMaterial.cxx: comment about that last commit so it doesn't get changed back by someone who sees it's obviously "wrong" |
| 08:24.59 | DTRemenak | yeah, I was too |
| 08:25.14 | DTRemenak | I looked for other std::string == std::string and couldn't find any...anywhere |
| 08:25.38 | DTRemenak | usually it's std::string == string constant or std::string == const char * (which are equivalent) |
| 08:26.00 | trepan | TextureMatrix and DynamicCOlor |
| 08:26.52 | DTRemenak | ah, yeah similar constructs. I bet they fail too. |
| 08:27.17 | DTRemenak | got a map that uses one of them handy? |
| 08:27.57 | trepan | not really |
| 08:29.09 | DTRemenak | I've never used either one personally, and it wouldn't surprise me if nobody's ever tried running a map with one in windows |
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| 08:30.40 | BIYA | A trepan |
| 08:30.45 | DTRemenak | 7.1 |
| 08:30.59 | DTRemenak | 5 doesn't compile anymore, hasn't for a long time |
| 08:31.38 | DTRemenak | I was actually pretty shocked myself. it seems like such a simple thing. |
| 08:36.14 | trepan | trepan.homelinux.net:5154 has texmats |
| 08:44.21 | trepan | clarification: named texmats |
| 08:47.59 | trepan | DTRemenak: p.s. top/bottom, etc... are only on arcs/cones/spheres, the modeller folks would be using pure meshes |
| 08:48.21 | DTRemenak | trepan: the map did load, but the texmats do not show up |
| 08:48.42 | DTRemenak | 131.215.170.143:5154 if you want to see |
| 08:49.05 | DTRemenak | ip address changed, I need to reassign my desktop's dns |
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| 08:55.53 | DTRemenak | yeah, _Myszie is the same on both strings |
| 08:55.59 | DTRemenak | _Mysize even |
| 08:56.22 | trepan | is that str.size()'s cousin? |
| 08:56.40 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's the private var that size() returns |
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| 08:57.04 | DTRemenak | vc's debugger is a tad odd, it's way easier to see private members than function results |
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| 08:58.09 | trepan | beats me, hate having that in there |
| 08:59.00 | DTRemenak | hm, hadn't seen that before. |
| 08:59.12 | BIYA | eerm |
| 09:00.10 | trepan | hm? you've got my attention sir |
| 09:00.17 | DTRemenak | compareto: {"coneRight"}, _Bx{_Buf=0x0012d728 "coneRight" _Ptr=0x656e6f63 <Bad Ptr> }, _Mysize9 |
| 09:00.26 | BIYA | I need help explaining this DTR |
| 09:00.37 | DTRemenak | wonder where the <Bad Ptr> comes from |
| 09:00.56 | BIYA | adding wings to the recent version tank model |
| 09:01.16 | BIYA | trying to firgure out if vt = vertices texcoords? |
| 09:01.21 | trepan | is _Ptr important? no segvs... |
| 09:01.29 | BIYA | vt 0.0000000e+0 0.0000000e+0 |
| 09:01.38 | DTRemenak | yeah, no memory faults |
| 09:01.44 | trepan | BIYA: yes, vt is how OBJs enter texcoords |
| 09:01.47 | DTRemenak | and both buffers are set correctly |
| 09:01.55 | trepan | is _Ptr compared? |
| 09:02.08 | DTRemenak | I wouldn't think so |
| 09:02.24 | BIYA | good good good... best guess is v=vertices, vn=normals, and f=faces |
| 09:03.07 | DTRemenak | heh, and actually the other one is the same |
| 09:03.22 | trepan | BIYA: google for "wavefront obj" coupled with "format" or "specification" or something |
| 09:03.29 | DTRemenak | _Bx {_Buf=0x0012d918 "coneRight" _Ptr=0x656e6f63 <Bad Ptr> } |
| 09:03.41 | BIYA | k will do thanks trepan |
| 09:03.50 | DTRemenak | _Ptr is the same on each. _Buf is different but the contents are the same. |
| 09:04.04 | BIYA | ill never pm you again and always ask the question without asking to ask the question :) |
| 09:04.14 | DTRemenak | sizes and "_Myres" (no idea) are the same also |
| 09:04.43 | DTRemenak | but the actual comparison fails...the loop continues instead of returning :( |
| 09:05.20 | trepan | your basic_string header available to look at? |
| 09:06.02 | trepan | of course reading through STL headers is as much fun as a kick in the nobs |
| 09:06.24 | DTRemenak | yup, got it |
| 09:06.36 | DTRemenak | but yeah it's mostly incomprehensible to me :) |
| 09:07.45 | trepan | any differentiation in operator==()'s ? |
| 09:08.30 | DTRemenak | bool operator==(const const_iterator& _Right) const |
| 09:08.46 | DTRemenak | return (_Myptr == _Right._Myptr); |
| 09:09.25 | DTRemenak | that's the only defined operator== in that particular header |
| 09:12.22 | trepan | have you tried a simple program to isolate? a little 4 liner to make sure |
| 09:13.06 | DTRemenak | nope, will do |
| 09:13.34 | trepan | something to send to MS, with a "you are dumb, please send me some free stuff" note |
| 09:13.54 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 09:14.54 | trepan | "you want free stuff from dumb folks, that don't make you none too bright... bugger off" |
| 09:16.25 | trepan | one can easily see why i never ventured into the field of screenwriting |
| 09:16.43 | DTRemenak | ok, it passes the simplest test. |
| 09:17.13 | DTRemenak | std::string str1 = "hello"; std::string str2 = "hello"; if (str1 == str2) return 2; else return 1; |
| 09:17.23 | DTRemenak | The thread 'Win32 Thread' (0x768) has exited with code 2 (0x2). |
| 09:17.54 | trepan | hm, so nothing too obvious then |
| 09:19.46 | DTRemenak | also passes the test passed by reference |
| 09:21.29 | DTRemenak | aha, but it fails the test where a reference is returned from a function wherein the string was initialized |
| 09:22.32 | DTRemenak | http://pastebin.ca/18268 |
| 09:23.58 | trepan | interesting, but not exactly the same as in our case |
| 09:24.09 | trepan | the material name is in an allocated object |
| 09:24.40 | DTRemenak | so new it? |
| 09:24.59 | trepan | huh? target and name should both be fine |
| 09:25.41 | trepan | target stills exists from above, and name is new'ed in the BzMaterial's |
| 09:26.02 | trepan | s/in/as part of |
| 09:26.21 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 09:26.49 | trepan | a .c_str() on either string works? |
| 09:27.32 | DTRemenak | was just trying that |
| 09:27.54 | DTRemenak | .c_str() on str2 returns 1 |
| 09:28.58 | DTRemenak | on str1 gives a FCE |
| 09:29.20 | trepan | ya, not surprising |
| 09:29.43 | trepan | static # |
| 09:29.43 | trepan | # |
| 09:29.48 | BIYA | What would be the best format to export Trepan? |
| 09:29.53 | trepan | oops: static std::string str1 = "hello"; would fix it |
| 09:30.05 | trepan | BIYA: bzw for bz, OBJ otherwise |
| 09:30.14 | BIYA | gocha |
| 09:31.02 | BIYA | DTR or Trepan: Should I make them separate objects? Im guessing yes but im making sure |
| 09:31.15 | Chestal | you got two srtings which lok identical but don't compare equal? Where in bz code? |
| 09:31.38 | BIYA | seeing that the tank is in parts like barrel turret |
| 09:31.39 | DTRemenak | Chestal: my last commit |
| 09:32.03 | DTRemenak | adding .c_str() to one of them made the comparison work correctly |
| 09:32.10 | DTRemenak | which is odd |
| 09:32.49 | trepan | does .c_str on the materials[i]->getName() work ? |
| 09:33.46 | trepan | did some strangeness there with pushing chars back into the stream |
| 09:34.58 | DTRemenak | no, the comparison still fails if it's on getName() |
| 09:35.22 | trepan | cool, so it prolly is target then |
| 09:35.53 | trepan | the .c_str() might be cleaning it somehow? |
| 09:36.31 | DTRemenak | no idea |
| 09:37.54 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.02 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.04 | DTRemenak | still fails |
| 09:38.21 | trepan | it just gets weirder |
| 09:38.21 | BIYA | DTR you said dont worry about the gl stuff right? |
| 09:38.43 | DTRemenak | BIYA: it's pretty much all the same |
| 09:38.59 | DTRemenak | I mean, you're defining triangles just like all the other code is :) |
| 09:41.21 | BIYA | Okay so one of the vertices for the Left wings should look like this |
| 09:41.23 | BIYA | doVertex3f(0.15479577f, 0.99668565f, 1.7340396e-2f); |
| 09:41.55 | DTRemenak | if it's scaled right, then yeah |
| 09:42.15 | BIYA | Is it possible to do a test? with just one wing put in? |
| 09:42.33 | BIYA | nits prob off scaled just a tad |
| 09:43.00 | DTRemenak | yeah, not hard to test |
| 09:43.35 | BIYA | okay so do every vertice like that and every normal also..... does it have to be in a certain order? |
| 09:44.03 | DTRemenak | yup. winding order is important but I don't remember which way :) look it up, it's easy to find. |
| 09:44.14 | Chestal | trepan: ParseMaterial, line 39: if ((matref == NULL) && (name != "-1")) |
| 09:44.39 | Chestal | that scares me a little, when matref is 0, but name not "-1", the else is executed,wehich accesses *matref |
| 09:44.51 | BIYA | i c normal vertex normal vertex, on the obj its vertex vertex vertex......................normal normal normal normal.................face face face |
| 09:45.02 | Chestal | (not that this could really be related to the current problem) |
| 09:45.08 | trepan | glCullFace() determines the winding order, it's usually top = ccw |
| 09:45.41 | BIYA | ummm explain.. |
| 09:45.43 | DTRemenak | BIYA: the order in which you list the vertices matters...if they're in the wrong order then the wrong side of the triangle will display |
| 09:45.52 | DTRemenak | only one side is visible |
| 09:46.23 | BIYA | so editing in the current order wont work? |
| 09:46.44 | Chestal | DTRemenak: there aren't any missign somethings errors before that particular strign comparison which fails? |
| 09:47.26 | DTRemenak | Chestal: everything else works fine. all the code executes like I'd expect...but once the comparison fails, it reports an invalid parameter and fails |
| 09:47.40 | DTRemenak | because of the way "error" is passed back up |
| 09:48.21 | DTRemenak | if the comparison succeeds then everything loads hunky-dory with no console output at all |
| 09:49.31 | Chestal | it fails with a certain map? |
| 09:50.21 | DTRemenak | any map with a parameter that takes "matref <name>" as an argument |
| 09:50.28 | DTRemenak | e.g. if you texture an arc |
| 09:50.48 | DTRemenak | err, the sides of an arc separately |
| 09:50.53 | jpa- | i've had problems on one debian system |
| 09:51.06 | jpa- | top matref <id or name> always gave an error |
| 09:51.20 | DTRemenak | otherwise it fails silently - like texmats fail without any output, just don't show up on the map. |
| 09:51.20 | trepan | DTRemenak: is it only when use "top/bottom/outside/inside" ? |
| 09:51.37 | DTRemenak | trepan: that's when it barfs, yeah |
| 09:51.41 | jpa- | and exactly same problem with other debian system on identical computer |
| 09:51.59 | trepan | so a normal "matref <name>" works then, it's only with the qualifier |
| 09:52.01 | jpa- | however, texmats worked i think |
| 09:52.12 | DTRemenak | trepan: looks that way |
| 09:52.20 | jpa- | for me too |
| 09:52.36 | DTRemenak | the comparison succeeds when the material is first added, for instance |
| 09:52.55 | DTRemenak | I dunno why it tries to find itself but I get the breakpoint triggered for each one |
| 09:53.00 | jpa- | river.bzw: warning (line 573): discarding incomplete object |
| 09:53.06 | jpa- | errors like that |
| 09:53.49 | BIYA | DTRemenak: I dont need the faces right just norms and verts? |
| 09:53.59 | jpa- | but it is not complaining about right lines |
| 09:54.05 | DTRemenak | jpa-: they come in pairs |
| 09:54.07 | DTRemenak | couldn't find reference material: m2 |
| 09:54.13 | jpa- | errors disappear when i remove top-things |
| 09:54.29 | DTRemenak | followed by f:\programs\bzflag\12-FlashLand.bzw: warning (line 944): unknown object parameter "startside" - skipping |
| 09:56.19 | jpa- | couldn't find reference material: redend |
| 09:56.19 | jpa- | test.bzw: warning (line 7): unknown object parameter "top" - skipping |
| 09:56.35 | jpa- | hmm |
| 09:56.41 | jpa- | if kinda skipped the \n |
| 09:56.53 | DTRemenak | BIYA: the order in which you specify the vertices and the type of arrangement (e.g. GL_TRIANGLE_FAN) determine which vertices form which faces |
| 09:57.02 | BIYA | o and no texcoords? so get rid of vt's and f'x |
| 09:57.12 | BIYA | numm |
| 09:57.22 | jpa- | DTRemenak: want to try, http://xob.kapsi.fi/~jpa/test.bzw |
| 09:57.27 | BIYA | i see |
| 09:58.25 | trepan | Chestal: ya, that -1 test hasta go, spawned from the textureMatrix stuff oh so long ago |
| 09:58.25 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ParseMaterial.cxx: thx Chestal |
| 09:58.35 | DTRemenak | couldn't find reference material: red |
| 09:58.41 | jpa- | yeah |
| 09:58.42 | DTRemenak | f:\programs\bzflag\test.bzw: warning (line 7): unknown object parameter "top" - |
| 09:58.44 | jpa- | i get the same |
| 09:58.46 | jpa- | on linux |
| 09:58.50 | DTRemenak | skipping |
| 09:59.11 | DTRemenak | hm, that's wierd :) works fine on my linux box |
| 09:59.18 | jpa- | yeah, on mine too |
| 09:59.26 | jpa- | that is one shell server |
| 09:59.31 | jpa- | running debian |
| 09:59.37 | jpa- | hmm.. might try to recompile |
| 09:59.39 | DTRemenak | gcc --version? |
| 10:00.01 | jpa- | wait, i'll recompile, it was updated quite much lately (to debian sarge) |
| 10:01.07 | Chestal | I may have foudn the culprit |
| 10:01.20 | Chestal | ParseMaterial.cxx, line 398 |
| 10:01.27 | Chestal | eh, 248 |
| 10:01.48 | Chestal | with i=0 it accesses line[size], it shouldn't |
| 10:01.59 | Chestal | shoiudl start at line[size-1] |
| 10:02.40 | Chestal | although I don't quite see how it should cause such an error |
| 10:02.46 | Chestal | better to fix anyway |
| 10:03.15 | DTRemenak | yeah, fix it anyway |
| 10:03.39 | BIYA | http://pastebin.com/318389 Trepan and DTR please look and tell me what you think |
| 10:04.40 | BIYA | If thats how you do it then I think I can finish all wings in about 30min. |
| 10:04.44 | DTRemenak | BIYA: the only way it knows which normals go to which vertices is by the order. |
| 10:05.01 | BIYA | Eek |
| 10:05.08 | BIYA | gonna be a problem |
| 10:05.09 | DTRemenak | you also seem to have a lot more normals than vertices |
| 10:05.13 | Chestal | trepan: lien looks like "matref foo"? Then what should eb putback into stream? "foo" or " foo"? or doesn't it matter? |
| 10:05.24 | jpa- | hmm, that old source won't compile anymore :) |
| 10:05.44 | jpa- | should i try cvs or just do nothing? :) |
| 10:05.56 | DTRemenak | jpa-: all the cool kids use cvs :) |
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| 10:06.06 | BIYA | Im not cool :) |
| 10:06.07 | Chestal | DTRemenak: depending on string impl, itmight putpack a 0 into the stream like it is |
| 10:06.40 | jpa- | DTRemenak: nah, anoncvs doesn't have anything new anyway :) |
| 10:06.43 | DTRemenak | Chestal: then, why would the .c_str() fix it? |
| 10:06.45 | Chestal | I think that VC strign impl had problems with 0 in strings, however you rprevious tests indicate that there is no 0*shrug* |
| 10:06.51 | jpa- | you may try so i can sleep |
| 10:06.59 | Chestal | DTR: can you try to start at i=1? |
| 10:07.25 | BIYA | Wow DTR has alot Q's to answer |
| 10:07.48 | BIYA | Did'nt know he has busy days like this |
| 10:07.59 | BIYA | Trepan you sleep? |
| 10:08.01 | jpa- | Chestal: note, seems this bug (or a related one) exists with gcc too |
| 10:08.14 | DTRemenak | Chestal: that seems to do the trick |
| 10:08.39 | Chestal | DTRemenak: ah, good. Just waiting for trepan how many characters should be poushbacked exatcly |
| 10:09.02 | Chestal | like it is, it doens't pushback the first char after matcmd |
| 10:09.06 | Chestal | but I assuem this would be a blank |
| 10:11.20 | DTRemenak | ~Chestal++ |
| 10:11.27 | DTRemenak | ~trepan++ |
| 10:11.51 | jpa- | ~DTRemenak++ |
| 10:12.21 | BIYA | ~trepan++ |
| 10:12.27 | BIYA | I had to :) |
| 10:17.09 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/game/BzMaterial.cxx: revert earlier commits in favor of the Proper Fix coming soon from Chestal |
| 10:17.45 | jpa- | much pressure on Chestal now ,) |
| 10:17.50 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
| 10:17.59 | DTRemenak | ~Chestal++ |
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| 10:18.47 | BIYA_ | okay ping out please |
| 10:19.09 | DTRemenak | if you're registered you can ghost your old nick |
| 10:19.14 | jpa- | if you were registered, you could collide it out |
| 10:19.20 | BIYA_ | PeoplePc: A Better Way To Internet my butt |
| 10:19.27 | DTRemenak | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.29 | BIYA_ | I am registered |
| 10:19.42 | BIYA_ | but the last time it seen me was along time ago |
| 10:19.55 | BIYA_ | need to talk to the freenode people I think |
| 10:20.00 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 10:20.22 | BIYA_ | any way is trepan back yet? |
| 10:20.31 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o DTRemenak] by ChanServ |
| 10:20.48 | *** kick/#bzflag [BIYA!~DTRemenak@DHCP-170-143.caltech.edu] by DTRemenak (stale ghost. now talk to those freenode people.) |
| 10:20.59 | DTRemenak | there ya go |
| 10:21.06 | jpa- | poor BIYA |
| 10:21.12 | *** part/#bzflag BIYA_ (~chatzilla@dialup-4.129.85.118.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) |
| 10:21.17 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 10:21.25 | jpa- | are you sure BIYA_ was a real one? ,) |
| 10:21.30 | Chestal | hmm, I always wanted to use reverse iterators, let's try it :-) |
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| 10:22.32 | BIYA_ | is there an email to talk to them or somthing? |
| 10:22.47 | DTRemenak | join #freenode and /msg one of the ops |
| 10:22.54 | jpa- | BIYA_: just wait :P |
| 10:23.03 | BIYA_ | waiting |
| 10:23.12 | jpa- | unless you want to disturb the freenode gods |
| 10:23.20 | Chestal | DTRemenak: please test |
| 10:23.24 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ParseMaterial.cxx: off by one error, let's rewrite it using reverse iterators |
| 10:23.24 | BIYA_ | I dont care |
| 10:23.26 | BIYA_ | n:) |
| 10:23.28 | DTRemenak | Chestal: with pleasure :) |
| 10:23.31 | BIYA_ | >:) |
| 10:24.16 | jpa- | reverse iterators sounds fancy :) |
| 10:24.24 | DTRemenak | they are fancy :) |
| 10:25.30 | Chestal | boost has things as tokenzier iterators |
| 10:25.55 | DTRemenak | boost has lots of fancy stuff nobody ever uses :) |
| 10:27.05 | jpa- | why does it appear only on some platforms? |
| 10:27.08 | Chestal | I like them, let's you tokenize a string without modification or expensive copy |
| 10:27.18 | BIYA_ | There not answering!!! :) |
| 10:27.20 | jpa- | (the bug) |
| 10:27.23 | Chestal | and it's lazy parsed |
| 10:27.33 | DTRemenak | hm, that seems to not work |
| 10:27.43 | DTRemenak | err...it does exactly the same thing |
| 10:27.49 | jpa- | haha :) |
| 10:28.00 | Chestal | DTRemenak: hmm, I haven't tested at all, let me look |
| 10:28.20 | jpa- | it has to be some platform specific thing |
| 10:28.23 | Chestal | you sure the i=1 change worked? |
| 10:28.30 | jpa- | because it works on some comps, not on others |
| 10:28.34 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 10:28.43 | DTRemenak | but it seems you changed that back to 0 |
| 10:28.46 | BIYA_ | DTR is more normals than verts bad? |
| 10:28.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ParseMaterial.cxx: another attempt |
| 10:28.48 | Chestal | jpa: undefined behaviour. Not sure what happens under the hood, would have to look into implementation of things |
| 10:28.55 | DTRemenak | why not use .rend()? |
| 10:29.05 | DTRemenak | assuming there is such a thing |
| 10:29.08 | Chestal | DTRemenak: I don't want to put back all of the string |
| 10:29.14 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 10:29.16 | trepan | oops, bad commit |
| 10:29.25 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 10:29.28 | trepan | need sleep... |
| 10:30.02 | trepan | '\n' at the end? |
| 10:30.25 | DTRemenak | Chestal: if I change i=0 to i=1 with your changes it works too |
| 10:30.32 | DTRemenak | but as i=0 it does not work |
| 10:30.35 | Chestal | trepan: how many charcaters should be put back? |
| 10:30.48 | Chestal | "matref foobar"? is that what theline looks like? |
| 10:30.51 | BIYA_ | The channel demigods have stolen your voice There scaring me |
| 10:31.05 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.11 | trepan | might be missing the spaces too |
| 10:31.27 | Chestal | my version put backs all but matcmd string |
| 10:31.56 | Chestal | so, matcmd=top? |
| 10:31.56 | BIYA_ | I bet if I swear they will answer me but im not |
| 10:32.37 | Chestal | ah, the strign is read via >> |
| 10:32.43 | Chestal | so leading spaces can make a difference |
| 10:32.48 | Chestal | hmm |
| 10:33.17 | Chestal | or maybe not, >> shoud always skip leading blanks |
| 10:33.35 | Chestal | DTRemenak: if you change i=0 to i=1 in my version, it will simply put back one char less |
| 10:33.44 | Chestal | but that should be a blank, so I am surprised |
| 10:33.47 | DTRemenak | Chestal: yeah, I realize that |
| 10:33.49 | DTRemenak | but it works |
| 10:34.40 | DTRemenak | I've tried both ways three or four times |
| 10:34.42 | trepan | Chestal: it isn't the >>, think it's the getline |
| 10:35.11 | Chestal | hmm, there is one conceptual problem in that code |
| 10:35.21 | trepan | i'll strip the leading off of it |
| 10:35.24 | Chestal | leading blanks before matref will break it all |
| 10:35.59 | Chestal | mayeb the putback should not work on line but on what is left in the parms stream |
| 10:36.01 | Pimpinella | DTRemenak: found a reason why your string comparison didn't work? |
| 10:36.23 | DTRemenak | Pimpinella: reason? |
| 10:36.26 | DTRemenak | not really |
| 10:36.30 | Pimpinella | hm |
| 10:36.44 | trepan | Chestal: strip leading spaces off of line, and it should be fine |
| 10:36.49 | DTRemenak | something of a cause, but no rational reason I can see |
| 10:36.49 | Pimpinella | is it compiler dependent? |
| 10:36.53 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 10:37.09 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:37.13 | Pimpinella | which one is it? |
| 10:37.24 | DTRemenak | microsoft's, and apparently gcc2 |
| 10:37.27 | trepan | would push back ' matref junk' if spaces are stripped |
| 10:37.32 | Pimpinella | hm |
| 10:37.57 | Chestal | trepan: will parsematerial read more that that one line? |
| 10:38.04 | trepan | nope |
| 10:38.14 | Chestal | then we couidl simply pass the strignstream |
| 10:38.17 | trepan | the whole parser should just send lines to the objects |
| 10:38.19 | Chestal | instead of putting back |
| 10:38.27 | trepan | the streaming junk just complicates things |
| 10:38.47 | Chestal | just pass parms instead of input |
| 10:39.38 | DTRemenak | g'night |
| 10:40.12 | Chestal | DTRemenak: 5 minutes for a last test? :-) |
| 10:40.35 | BIYA_ | good night DTR |
| 10:40.50 | trepan | Chestal: something like that sounds good, i too must bail... |
| 10:40.59 | Chestal | not sure I can reproduce the problem here |
| 10:41.16 | Chestal | never woirked with this stuff, someone has a .bzw for me? |
| 10:42.38 | BIYA_ | done!!! |
| 10:42.45 | BIYA_ | well I think |
| 10:48.23 | BIYA_ | Trepan: http://pastebin.com/318415 |
| 10:51.09 | BIYA_ | o |
| 10:51.11 | BIYA_ | he left |
| 10:51.14 | BIYA_ | doh |
| 11:04.05 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ParseMaterial.cxx: just pass on the stringstream, easier than putting back part of the line into the file stream |
| 11:07.37 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ParseMaterial.cxx: seems to need this to work |
| 11:54.31 | zoly | trepan: thanks, mouse wheel radar works nicely. actually gives an advantage with close-range combat when enemy tanks is hidden from view, behind obstacle, as you can see its heading (and attack from the side he doesn't target). |
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| 12:01.58 | zoly | head intact. tree damaged |
| 12:02.09 | CBG | :) yes. most likely |
| 12:13.34 | CBG | I just made an entry (on my very new blog) proclaiming bzflag as the best game ever. :) www.cannonballguy.com |
| 12:14.17 | CBG | Perhaps some of you can make some comments to prove my point...? ;) |
| 12:22.41 | zoly | if that for a reason, that, when the 2.0 client copied the 1.1 configuration, the roaming key bindings haven't been copied ? |
| 12:24.16 | CBG | are you asking me? |
| 12:25.27 | zoly | if you know the answer , i'd not exclude you. |
| 12:26.02 | CBG | Ugh. what were they in 1.1? |
| 12:26.43 | zoly | arrows with and without shift/alt/ctrk |
| 12:26.45 | zoly | ctrl |
| 12:27.04 | CBG | That sounds like it |
| 12:27.43 | CBG | normal arrows just move |
| 12:27.59 | CBG | and combinations of shift.alt.ctrl can go up and down |
| 12:28.05 | CBG | andn turn up and down |
| 12:29.09 | zoly | i got those only in the 1.1 config, not in 2.0 config anymore. just copied them over, but thought maybe they've been dropped for a reason. |
| 12:30.07 | CBG | dunno. :( |
| 12:30.46 | Chestal | zoly: I thinjk it's just a problem with the autoconversion, doesn't work perfectly |
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| 12:34.00 | zoly | syntax of those unchanged? like: bind "Left Arrow" up "roam rotate stop" ? |
| 12:34.42 | Chestal | hmm |
| 12:34.59 | Chestal | actually I don't have the roaming movement keys in config, so that might be by design |
| 12:35.16 | zoly | (cause roaming keys don't work yet, even with the old binding copied) |
| 12:36.10 | Chestal | youmight want to start with a clean config |
| 12:36.24 | zoly | i'm glad. nothing more i hate then problems i'm the only one to experience... |
| 12:36.26 | Chestal | guess you have to hide the 1.10 config, or it will automatically be used |
| 12:37.26 | zoly | right. i guess a fresh start, and applying the mods later, may be be more reliable. |
| 12:38.16 | zoly | don't mention that in your blog, CBG |
| 12:39.35 | CBG | what? :P |
| 12:46.53 | zoly | trepan: "wet powder" flag ? delays each shot by a server-configured time |
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| 13:07.13 | RatOmeter | monring |
| 13:07.19 | RatOmeter | morning, too |
| 13:08.13 | RatOmeter | Anyone else notice a rendering bug when you've got the narrow flag? When I get close to an object/wall, I can see through it. |
| 13:08.50 | RatOmeter | also see the same if I set _tankWidth to a small value on my server |
| 13:18.28 | Grumbler | b11 hung my xppro box last night, b10 does not. |
| 13:19.42 | Grumbler | in an odd occurance, i was able to play with b11, but once i quit it wouldnt die. |
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| 13:33.47 | zoly | RatOmeter: yes, but i thought it was a feature |
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| 13:49.23 | zoly | menotume: anyhow related to "little coward" ? |
| 13:49.37 | menotume | hmmmm, could be :D |
| 13:49.57 | menotume | was wondering if _anyone_ would notice |
| 13:50.13 | zoly | btw, you are (still) admin on the l-aim servers |
| 13:50.26 | menotume | ahh, thx |
| 13:50.34 | menotume | i rarely visit them though |
| 13:50.39 | zoly | last year ducati went down often |
| 13:50.52 | zoly | then one of those server went ducati |
| 13:51.26 | zoly | and the regular ducati folks got admin there, to be able to keep the place tidy themselves |
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| 14:00.25 | Grumbler | RatOmeter< yes, and its been there awhile |
| 14:05.05 | zoly | never waste a good lesson two a single set of ears |
| 14:05.08 | zoly | to |
| 14:05.44 | menotume | hehe |
| 14:05.56 | menotume | I'm not an expert on global groups, but i can help some |
| 14:06.16 | menotume | basically, you can setup user groups on bzbb |
| 14:06.38 | menotume | then, you have access to add people to the groups at my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 14:06.41 | zoly | a right, like a global login |
| 14:07.01 | menotume | then, you can refer to those group names in your groupsb file |
| 14:07.04 | menotume | right, exactly |
| 14:07.24 | menotume | it's just that you use bzbb to maintain the groups instead of 'setgroup' locally |
| 14:08.14 | menotume | the man page for bzfs has recently (cvs) been updated with some info |
| 14:08.41 | zoly | i got some "local.global" and some "registered" in my user file. those seem to be mutually exclusive ? |
| 14:08.55 | menotume | basically: you request that a group be created at bzbb (like ZOLY.COPS) |
| 14:09.15 | menotume | hmmm, i'm not real sure how local.global works |
| 14:09.30 | Chestal | zoly: REGISTERED is old, VERIFIED is the new group, all player inuser file should have that |
| 14:09.38 | zoly | looks like a 2.x thing, wasn't in there before |
| 14:09.46 | Chestal | players who do not have special group LOCAL.GLOBAL are local users only |
| 14:10.10 | Chestal | it's mainly a transitional thing |
| 14:10.25 | Chestal | so old local, /identify users from 1.10 would still work as before |
| 14:10.27 | zoly | in that case my user file is quite messy ... |
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| 14:10.46 | Chestal | without the danger of someone being sneaky and registering that name on bzbb |
| 14:11.13 | zoly | 90 REGISTERS, 102 VERIFIED LOCAL.GLOBAL ... |
| 14:11.38 | Chestal | unless you have a REGISTERED group in your groups file, it's useless |
| 14:12.03 | Chestal | local only users have EVERYONE VERIFIED |
| 14:12.09 | zoly | no group by that name |
| 14:12.18 | Chestal | "normal" users have EVERYONE VERIFIED LOCAL.GLOBAL |
| 14:12.29 | zoly | yes, those are new users |
| 14:12.30 | Chestal | + any local groups of course |
| 14:12.57 | Chestal | I recommend search & replace s/REGISTERED/VERIFIED/ |
| 14:13.08 | Chestal | or jsut delete those old entried |
| 14:13.19 | Chestal | not sure if you want to have any local only users anyway |
| 14:13.26 | zoly | not s/REGISTERED/VERIFIED LOCAL.GLOBAL/ ? |
| 14:13.37 | Chestal | maybe |
| 14:13.55 | Chestal | only really makes sense if those callsigns are registered globally |
| 14:14.01 | Chestal | if not, no harm is done either, though |
| 14:14.03 | zoly | ok |
| 14:14.17 | zoly | several of them are. |
| 14:14.42 | zoly | ppl told me. but i postponed gathering information. |
| 14:14.49 | Chestal | for users without special privileges it's not so important anyway |
| 14:14.59 | zoly | (is an old 1.1 setup, only restarted recently |
| 14:15.41 | Chestal | the only point of LOCAL.GLOBAL is that some 'foo' might be known on your server, but a (new) global 'foo' would be someone else |
| 14:19.29 | zoly | ok, replaced all that, dir /reload. still seems to work |
| 14:19.49 | zoly | ..did ... |
| 14:23.35 | zoly | menotume: would requesting a group at bzbb require manual action, or is it an automated process ? |
| 14:23.41 | menotume | manual |
| 14:23.45 | zoly | ok |
| 14:23.45 | menotume | i can do it |
| 14:23.58 | menotume | just tell me the group names in PM |
| 14:24.06 | zoly | ok |
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| 14:31.54 | menotume | thx for the groups help, Chestal |
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| 15:00.09 | zoly | thanks chestal. global groups do work now. |
| 15:04.33 | zoly | in user profile, there are places for icq, aim, msn, yahoo. didn't anyone think of the internet standard jabber ? |
| 15:05.20 | zoly | http://www.jabber.org/about/overview.shtml |
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| 15:23.13 | bryjen | anyone else able to get cvs from SF? their status page says anon is offline... |
| 15:23.39 | ruskie | lol wlonghorn renamed to windows vista - The advertising tagline for Vista is "Clear, Confident, Connected: Bringing clarity to your world." |
| 15:24.35 | CBG | I updated my CV Ssome hours ago... |
| 15:25.31 | JeffM2501 | it's geeked |
| 15:25.41 | JeffM2501 | ok, just REALY slow |
| 15:25.45 | CBG | JeffM2501: Yay. |
| 15:26.02 | JeffM2501 | ummm why? |
| 15:26.18 | CBG | why not? |
| 15:26.39 | blast007 | ruskie: hehe, more like "Cluttered, Crippled, Crashing: Bringing bluescreens to your world" ;) |
| 15:28.34 | JeffM2501 | blast007, you don't know, you've never used it have you? |
| 15:28.39 | CBG | bb admins/Jeffm2501: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4401 |
| 15:29.38 | CBG | jeffm2501: does he need to? Its windows. :P (joke...) |
| 15:29.44 | blast007 | hehe |
| 15:30.07 | blast007 | by the time they come out with that, I hope to be very happy with a fully working linux system |
| 15:30.33 | JeffM2501 | it'll take you that long to set up linux? |
| 15:30.42 | JeffM2501 | CBG, why? you won't upgrade :) |
| 15:30.55 | blast007 | I already have a linux box, but it's far from 'fully working' |
| 15:31.00 | CBG | Well. I _am_ still on 10.3.9 |
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| 15:36.45 | Pimpinella | windows is already _much_ better than it used to be |
| 15:36.57 | JeffM2501 | CBG, I know |
| 15:37.06 | Pimpinella | working wit it was a mess only some years ago |
| 15:37.16 | CBG | Jeff: Argh! Get out of my house! |
| 15:37.40 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:37.48 | CBG | Pimpinella: but even if now it is 10 times better than it was, that means it is still nowhere near as good as Mac OS :) |
| 15:37.54 | CBG | Jeff: Yeah... I was joking. :P |
| 15:38.05 | JeffM2501 | CBG, don't make statements you can't back up |
| 15:38.11 | Pimpinella | ack |
| 15:38.17 | JeffM2501 | each OS has it's strenghts and weaknesess |
| 15:38.20 | CBG | Its an opinion. :) |
| 15:38.33 | CBG | I just forgot the "IMO" |
| 15:38.37 | JeffM2501 | an uninformed one :) |
| 15:38.37 | Pimpinella | my opinion it that it's a fact |
| 15:38.56 | JeffM2501 | XP is prety damned good if you take the time to learn it |
| 15:39.40 | bryjen | breaking stuff? |
| 15:39.42 | CBG | Heh... I used both Windows and MacOS (up untill a month or so ago) and i MUCH preffered to use Mac OS.... |
| 15:39.45 | Pimpinella | XP even has a usable shell |
| 15:39.55 | CBG | wow. really? |
| 15:40.07 | JeffM2501 | CBG, yeah and from what I can tell, you never put the time in to learn ether OS properly ;) |
| 15:40.15 | CBG | Oh... I did. |
| 15:40.20 | CBG | I had LESSSONS on how to sue it. |
| 15:40.22 | JeffM2501 | untill you canme here you didn't even know the OSX shell |
| 15:40.23 | CBG | *use. hehe |
| 15:40.36 | CBG | So? |
| 15:40.45 | CBG | I dont know anyone outside of you lot that can. |
| 15:40.50 | JeffM2501 | that tells me you did not know all the OS could do |
| 15:41.09 | CBG | I am talking about it from a regular PC users perspective. |
| 15:41.11 | JeffM2501 | so it's my opinion that you didn't take the time to learn windows ether |
| 15:41.15 | menotume | zoly: does any1 actually use jabber ? |
| 15:41.18 | JeffM2501 | but as long as your little mac works for you |
| 15:41.23 | CBG | I knew as much on Windows as I did on Mac. |
| 15:41.25 | bryjen | menotume: a few of us |
| 15:41.28 | JeffM2501 | menotume, I allmost used it as a chat interface :) |
| 15:41.32 | Chestal | menotume: me, me! (if I have to) |
| 15:41.33 | CBG | Its little. but mighty. :P |
| 15:41.36 | menotume | lol |
| 15:41.52 | CBG | I could. If I had an account menotume |
| 15:41.54 | JeffM2501 | CBG, not at a 133 core bus speed ;) |
| 15:41.57 | Chestal | I'm running on 5 networks with gaim here |
| 15:41.58 | menotume | i guess i just don't have any1 in my 'buddy' list for jabber |
| 15:42.16 | Chestal | jabber works worst, that might just be the gaim implementation though |
| 15:42.21 | menotume | ya, me too |
| 15:42.32 | menotume | for me, msn is the worst, keeps disconnecting |
| 15:42.38 | JeffM2501 | the jabber API and servers are very poorly done |
| 15:42.55 | Chestal | menotume: put Chestal@jabber.org in then :-) |
| 15:43.40 | bryjen | i don't have problems with jabber, but the "gateways" to the other IM systems are flaky for me |
| 15:43.46 | CBG | how do you get a jabber account??? |
| 15:44.22 | bryjen | some of the clients will help to register one |
| 15:44.45 | CBG | Ah. I was looking on the site... |
| 15:45.17 | CBG | And Adium wont seem tohelp me make one. :/ |
| 15:45.37 | CBG | Oh. wait... |
| 15:45.43 | JeffM2501 | sucks to be you then |
| 15:45.50 | CBG | Heh. it worked. |
| 15:46.12 | CBG | JeffM2501: lol. I know about 5 people who use it (if they have to) |
| 15:50.50 | JeffM2501 | it's slow isn't it? |
| 15:52.35 | menotume | so is the listserver :) |
| 15:52.44 | menotume | http://my.bzflag.org/db/?action=LIST |
| 15:52.53 | menotume | oop, there it goes |
| 15:53.05 | CBG | took about 20secs |
| 15:53.11 | menotume | ya |
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| 15:58.35 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (bzfs.cxx bzfsAPI.cxx commands.cxx): remove unused extern references. remove zapAllFlags(); unused after fixing a bug in /flag reset after /flag up |
| 15:58.45 | JeffM2501 | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 16:00.54 | bryjen | JeffM2501: ? |
| 16:01.03 | JeffM2501 | I was in the middle of a slow commit too |
| 16:01.07 | JeffM2501 | of some of the same files |
| 16:01.09 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 16:01.19 | blast007 | lol |
| 16:01.23 | JeffM2501 | now I'm doing a slow merge |
| 16:03.14 | bryjen | like a little old lady getting on the freeway.... ;) |
| 16:04.35 | JeffM2501 | worse |
| 16:04.37 | JeffM2501 | it's still going |
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| 16:06.01 | zoly | cbg, any public server allows you to register |
| 16:06.14 | bryjen | whoops. wrong button |
| 16:06.25 | zoly | cbg, registration through client |
| 16:07.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/bzfsAPI.h: |
| 16:07.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: event hook to modify the data sent to the list server ( address, description, and groups requested ). |
| 16:07.31 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: API function to force a list server update. |
| 16:07.49 | zoly | menotume: sure. plenty of ppl |
| 16:08.00 | zoly | i got all IM running over jabber |
| 16:08.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (ListServerConnection.cxx bzfs.cxx bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 16:08.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: event hook to modify the data sent to the list server ( address, description, and groups requested ). |
| 16:08.10 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: API function to force a list server update. |
| 16:08.12 | zoly | also several bzflaggers btw |
| 16:08.28 | menotume | meanotume@jabber.org/gaim |
| 16:08.32 | menotume | ooop |
| 16:08.41 | menotume | menotume, not MEANOtume |
| 16:08.43 | orange | bad paste day for meno |
| 16:08.47 | menotume | yep :) |
| 16:08.52 | zoly | just menotume@jabber.org suffices |
| 16:09.04 | zoly | nice is that email address and jabber id can be the same |
| 16:09.59 | menotume | hi to all that just added me :) |
| 16:10.44 | zoly | menotume: that is, there *are* users after all ? |
| 16:10.57 | menotume | hehe :) |
| 16:11.59 | JeffM2501 | there that should be all the hooks somone needs for an automated match plugin |
| 16:15.28 | menotume | JeffM2501: cool ! |
| 16:15.38 | JeffM2501 | now someone just has to write it :) |
| 16:15.44 | menotume | me, me ! |
| 16:15.47 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 16:15.50 | menotume | after i move (10 days) |
| 16:15.55 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 16:16.06 | JeffM2501 | you can set the scores |
| 16:16.14 | JeffM2501 | reset the flags |
| 16:16.22 | JeffM2501 | kill everyone |
| 16:16.25 | JeffM2501 | know the real time |
| 16:16.29 | JeffM2501 | and all that |
| 16:16.54 | menotume | ahhh, i thought you meant auto-match reporting |
| 16:18.02 | menotume | ok, so what does that give you that /countdown /gameover doesn't ? |
| 16:18.23 | bryjen | use curl and you could send results to a web app |
| 16:18.34 | menotume | right, that part i got :) |
| 16:19.14 | bryjen | does /gameover still declare the issuer of the command to be the winner? ;) |
| 16:19.16 | menotume | would be nice if there's a slash-command that teams could use to indicate they want to play an offical match |
| 16:19.23 | menotume | nheh, yep |
| 16:19.49 | menotume | can plugin 'look' for slash-commands ? |
| 16:20.31 | orange | /startmatch teamgroup1 teamgroup2 |
| 16:20.35 | menotume | so, plugin could look for .... say .... "/official ducati" |
| 16:20.44 | orange | then it would start the clock and only allow members of those teams to join |
| 16:20.56 | JeffM2501 | you can reg a custom /command if you wanted to |
| 16:21.02 | menotume | right, cool |
| 16:21.05 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't even have to "look" for them |
| 16:21.15 | menotume | ok |
| 16:21.22 | JeffM2501 | you just reg one up, and it'll call the plugin when ever it's called, and pass you the paramaters |
| 16:21.33 | menotume | that should work :) |
| 16:21.36 | menotume | great |
| 16:21.49 | menotume | then, plugin runs and checks for time to go to 0 ? |
| 16:21.52 | JeffM2501 | some of the default / commands are even done using the API, just internaly |
| 16:22.01 | JeffM2501 | you can use that to triger the plugin action sure |
| 16:22.10 | JeffM2501 | or you can ask for a tick notification |
| 16:22.15 | JeffM2501 | and just check time whenever |
| 16:22.17 | JeffM2501 | or both |
| 16:22.20 | menotume | gotya |
| 16:22.44 | JeffM2501 | the plugin I envisioned would let you schedule them, as well as run "off the cuff" games |
| 16:22.52 | menotume | there is an 'init' process for a plugin, i assume |
| 16:23.09 | JeffM2501 | yeah on load a method in the plugin is called |
| 16:23.11 | menotume | so, one could have a config file |
| 16:23.14 | JeffM2501 | that's where you register yours tuff |
| 16:23.15 | menotume | okies |
| 16:23.27 | JeffM2501 | yeah, plugins can have a paramater |
| 16:23.30 | JeffM2501 | and it's passed to you |
| 16:24.29 | menotume | so .... /match NAME [countdowntime] ... |
| 16:24.37 | JeffM2501 | well that's a / command |
| 16:24.38 | menotume | NAMEs are in a config file ... |
| 16:24.39 | JeffM2501 | not a plugin |
| 16:24.56 | menotume | if the plugin regsiters '/match' command |
| 16:25.01 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:25.04 | menotume | ok |
| 16:25.22 | JeffM2501 | tho having a / command refrence a file on the server would be wierd |
| 16:25.32 | menotume | config file could have 'url to send results to' 'match duration time', etc. |
| 16:25.39 | JeffM2501 | better would be to have the plugin take a config that had a number of match names |
| 16:25.42 | JeffM2501 | on load |
| 16:25.46 | zoly | hmm... how would i reset a /set _mirror to grass, or non-reflective |
| 16:25.47 | menotume | right, exactly |
| 16:26.16 | JeffM2501 | for that it would be -loadpluing matchplugin,myconfig |
| 16:26.20 | menotume | config file would be a list of NAMEs and params |
| 16:26.20 | orange | menotume: why not have the match command include team group names? |
| 16:26.25 | JeffM2501 | then your plugin could register like a /listmatches |
| 16:26.34 | menotume | orange, yes |
| 16:26.42 | orange | k |
| 16:26.44 | JeffM2501 | you can reg up as many / commands as you want |
| 16:27.00 | menotume | ornage: thx, you were right |
| 16:27.06 | menotume | need team names |
| 16:27.12 | JeffM2501 | just call BZF_API bool bz_registerCustomSlashCommand ( const char* command, bz_CustomSlashCommandHandler *handler ); |
| 16:27.13 | menotume | or playernames for 1v1 |
| 16:27.33 | JeffM2501 | and be sure to remove it on unload |
| 16:27.45 | menotume | it could even hit the league site to verify the teams/player names |
| 16:28.02 | JeffM2501 | you have full access to groups too |
| 16:28.15 | JeffM2501 | so you can see what groups the player is in |
| 16:28.16 | menotume | kewl |
| 16:28.32 | menotume | did you say there's an API to set the countdown time ? |
| 16:28.42 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:28.44 | menotume | to other than the default on the command-line ? |
| 16:28.47 | menotume | ok |
| 16:28.49 | JeffM2501 | well unless it's in bzdb |
| 16:28.53 | JeffM2501 | you can do your own countdown tho |
| 16:29.05 | menotume | oh, right, that's what i mean |
| 16:29.13 | JeffM2501 | you can get a tick event |
| 16:29.18 | JeffM2501 | and then get the real world time |
| 16:29.24 | JeffM2501 | and send out countdown text messages |
| 16:29.29 | JeffM2501 | even play remote sounds :) |
| 16:29.30 | menotume | ahhh |
| 16:29.43 | menotume | so, the plugin can use it's own coutdown |
| 16:29.57 | JeffM2501 | you can emulate what countdown does, basicly |
| 16:30.03 | menotume | right, cool |
| 16:30.15 | JeffM2501 | there are functions to reset the scores |
| 16:30.18 | JeffM2501 | kill everyone |
| 16:30.32 | JeffM2501 | then only allow the respawns for those on the right teams |
| 16:30.42 | JeffM2501 | so that people can't hijack your match |
| 16:30.50 | menotume | very cool |
| 16:31.09 | JeffM2501 | then update the list server message with a "match in progresss" message |
| 16:31.21 | JeffM2501 | or even change the public addr, so the server is de-listed :) |
| 16:31.28 | menotume | oh my |
| 16:32.28 | menotume | :) |
| 16:33.12 | JeffM2501 | now what would be cool is if I exposed the curl manager to the API so that plugins could send out URL requests themeselves. |
| 16:33.20 | menotume | excited, even |
| 16:33.31 | JeffM2501 | and have a callback that is called when they are done. |
| 16:33.44 | menotume | yeah |
| 16:33.53 | menotume | with timeouts, error results, etc. |
| 16:33.55 | JeffM2501 | I'll do that later today |
| 16:33.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 16:34.01 | menotume | woo hoo |
| 16:34.14 | JeffM2501 | you'd pass in URL resluts callback class |
| 16:35.10 | menotume | I'd make some common interface on the league sites, rss maybe |
| 16:35.33 | JeffM2501 | make a php page that goes with the plugin for reporting |
| 16:35.40 | menotume | yep |
| 16:35.40 | JeffM2501 | that takes the data |
| 16:36.07 | menotume | maybe just pass back a list of name=values |
| 16:36.32 | menotume | for checking team members, etc. |
| 16:37.07 | menotume | oh well, g2g |
| 16:37.15 | menotume | must try to sign a lease today |
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| 16:54.26 | zoly | SportChick: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1754, your first link to ServerList gives err 404 |
| 16:55.29 | blast007 | it's an old post, from when the forum was at http://bzbb.bzflag.org/ |
| 16:55.48 | blast007 | the correct link is for the 'Server List' http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1730 |
| 16:55.50 | zoly | ah ok. 6 weeks didn't seem to be too old. |
| 16:56.16 | zoly | oops |
| 16:56.18 | blast007 | ;) |
| 16:56.47 | blast007 | still, it should be updated |
| 16:56.50 | blast007 | cuz it's a sticky |
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| 17:14.30 | CBG | JeffM2501: When will the voices be implemented into the game? |
| 17:17.04 | JeffM2501 | techcinaly they are right now |
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| 17:17.22 | menotume | Tupone: HIDE ! |
| 17:17.22 | CBG | but... you know what I mean... |
| 17:17.28 | menotume | j/k :) |
| 17:17.35 | JeffM2501 | the plugin is done |
| 17:17.41 | JeffM2501 | and in cvs |
| 17:17.42 | Tupone | hi menotume |
| 17:17.46 | menotume | hi :) |
| 17:17.54 | menotume | JeffM2501: teamspeak plugin ? |
| 17:17.57 | menotume | cool ! |
| 17:17.59 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 17:18.00 | menotume | hehe |
| 17:18.06 | CBG | so, how do I make it work on my CVS version? |
| 17:18.06 | JeffM2501 | the vocaliser one |
| 17:18.15 | JeffM2501 | no plugins on the mac |
| 17:18.24 | CBG | oh |
| 17:18.29 | JeffM2501 | I know of no servers that are running with it |
| 17:18.43 | CBG | but they could |
| 17:18.45 | CBG | ? |
| 17:18.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:18.56 | JeffM2501 | it's a server only change |
| 17:19.11 | JeffM2501 | your cvs client allready has the ability to download and play remote sounds |
| 17:19.56 | CBG | Pimpinella... |
| 17:21.08 | SportChick | zoly: thanks - fixed it |
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| 17:22.40 | CBG | |zongo| :D yo |
| 17:24.02 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, ping |
| 17:24.20 | Tupone | JeffM2501, pong |
| 17:24.38 | CBG | Ooooh Can I play? |
| 17:24.39 | JeffM2501 | when I derive off of cURLManager, how can I know if there was an error |
| 17:24.47 | JeffM2501 | or like a timeout |
| 17:25.10 | JeffM2501 | is there a virtual method I could overide to get notified? |
| 17:25.13 | Tupone | error = !good |
| 17:25.20 | Tupone | on finalization |
| 17:25.23 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:25.25 | JeffM2501 | tha'ts it |
| 17:25.27 | JeffM2501 | no more info? |
| 17:25.44 | JeffM2501 | like if the URL 404ed or anything? |
| 17:25.56 | Tupone | info ... look for what I DEBUG1 |
| 17:26.36 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 17:26.40 | Tupone | cURLManager interface can change for this info to be captured ... |
| 17:26.45 | JeffM2501 | so I'll have to add some more hooks then |
| 17:27.00 | JeffM2501 | I'm leting plugins do URL jobs |
| 17:27.46 | Tupone | I cannot work a lot on that .. my ADSL is gone ... no carried. Need to wait telecom to fix that :( |
| 17:27.53 | Tupone | carrier |
| 17:27.56 | JeffM2501 | :( |
| 17:28.47 | menotume | wow, anyone know about this: http://www.thinkinsane.com/bzflag.html |
| 17:28.54 | menotume | i never saw it before |
| 17:29.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah it was posted on bzbb |
| 17:29.24 | JeffM2501 | he must realy like red |
| 17:29.32 | menotume | hehe |
| 17:29.45 | menotume | has bzflag rxed any 'profits' ? |
| 17:29.52 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 17:30.04 | JeffM2501 | the TimRiker would know |
| 17:30.11 | menotume | k :) |
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| 17:32.12 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): |
| 17:32.12 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: API function to let plugins do URL jobs using the curlManager in async mode. |
| 17:32.12 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: usefull for automatic match reporitng plugins and the like. |
| 17:32.41 | JeffM2501 | that should work for ya menotume |
| 17:32.46 | menotume | kewl |
| 17:33.04 | menotume | i'll start simple and just make a plugin that gets something from the league site(s) |
| 17:33.19 | menotume | /matchresults or something |
| 17:34.36 | TimRiker | there has been a bit of income from shirt sales. Not sure what to do with it. I've used the first bit to pay for domain registration etc. |
| 17:34.46 | menotume | ahh, good :) |
| 17:34.52 | JeffM2501 | TimRiker, from the cafepress ones? or those other ones? |
| 17:34.53 | menotume | i'll make some links to that page then |
| 17:35.09 | TimRiker | JeffM2501: the other ones. the cafepress stuff is all listed at cost. |
| 17:35.14 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 17:35.15 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 17:35.31 | TimRiker | probably ought to send some $ to nid for hosting m.b.o |
| 17:36.00 | menotume | good idea |
| 17:36.20 | CBG | Tim Riker: Nobody would blame you for making _some_ profit at cafepress... |
| 17:36.30 | menotume | yep :) |
| 17:36.56 | TimRiker | CBG: =) easier to deal with if I don't make any $$. |
| 17:37.47 | JeffM2501 | cafepress makes it a pain to make money |
| 17:37.57 | JeffM2501 | if you don't make enough money they charge you |
| 17:38.46 | CBG | Oh... Well, still. Nobody would blame you. :) |
| 17:39.21 | CBG | I was looking for alternatives to cafepress a while back... would you be interested? |
| 17:39.34 | JeffM2501 | he could make more with a subscription game server |
| 17:41.30 | Tupone | handaler ??? JeffM2501 ! |
| 17:41.50 | CBG | https://www.zazzle.com seems to have some nice stuff and http://www.spreadshirt.com does have _some_ stuff other than clothes/apparel |
| 17:43.17 | JeffM2501 | oops |
| 17:45.33 | |zongo| | hello CBG :) |
| 17:46.08 | CBG | :) |
| 17:47.28 | JeffM2501 | I guess it's sad when the italian corrects my english ;) |
| 17:47.38 | Tupone | lol |
| 17:48.00 | TimRiker | CBG: fine with me. I'd like folks to run the designs past me before selling stuff. |
| 17:48.30 | TimRiker | ~spell handaler |
| 17:48.41 | CBG | Well... I have a lot of free time, I'll see what I can do. |
| 17:48.56 | TimRiker | handlebar, yeah that's it. |
| 17:49.08 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:49.31 | CBG | He meant handover , duh. |
| 17:51.17 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): yeah yeah yeah... shuddap |
| 17:52.20 | CBG | ^ That doesnt sound very nice Jeff... |
| 17:52.45 | JeffM2501 | you'll live :) |
| 17:53.27 | CBG | Not indeffinatly. |
| 17:53.48 | TimRiker | you're only immortal for a limited time. |
| 17:53.53 | CBG | That's what worries me man. Maybe you'r making my death approach sooner than It should? |
| 17:53.58 | CBG | How can we Tell? |
| 17:54.15 | JeffM2501 | do you smoke? |
| 17:54.26 | blast007 | CBG: Just look at your HP meter |
| 17:54.33 | CBG | hehe :D |
| 17:57.43 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, is there a way to stop a job in progress with the manager? |
| 17:57.52 | Tupone | yeah |
| 17:57.59 | JeffM2501 | what do I call? |
| 17:58.03 | Tupone | removeHandle ? |
| 17:58.11 | Tupone | or delete the object |
| 17:58.48 | JeffM2501 | danke |
| 17:58.52 | JeffM2501 | can't delete object |
| 17:58.53 | Tupone | bitte |
| 17:59.02 | JeffM2501 | there may be other jobs to do, just want to stop the current one |
| 17:59.20 | Tupone | one object one job |
| 17:59.31 | JeffM2501 | that's not how I did |
| 17:59.34 | JeffM2501 | :) |
| 18:00.05 | Tupone | but cURLManager object work that way, you can do once at a time |
| 18:00.19 | Tupone | if you want to do more, you have to finish the previous |
| 18:00.20 | JeffM2501 | I only want to do one at a time |
| 18:00.22 | JeffM2501 | from a list |
| 18:00.25 | JeffM2501 | that's what I want |
| 18:01.27 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx: kill the current job if we need to |
| 18:04.19 | JeffM2501 | I didn't want the plugins flooding the server with tons of URL requests |
| 18:08.25 | JeffM2501 | just wanted a way for some plugins to send data to URLs and get data back |
| 18:09.08 | JeffM2501 | so they didn't have to use curl themeselves |
| 18:09.27 | Tupone | understand |
| 18:09.57 | JeffM2501 | if they need more then one at a time later we can allways change it, and it'll be transperant to the plugin :) |
| 18:10.21 | Tupone | where you learn English ? |
| 18:10.24 | Tupone | :) |
| 18:10.34 | JeffM2501 | public education baby! |
| 18:10.45 | JeffM2501 | mostly I just can't type |
| 18:11.09 | JeffM2501 | have a bit of dislexia |
| 18:11.17 | JeffM2501 | so I reverse things often when typing |
| 18:11.23 | Tupone | j/k :) |
| 18:11.55 | Tupone | it happens to me too ... English is not so easy |
| 18:12.07 | JeffM2501 | tho it's not like anyone is going to make any plugins anyway |
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| 19:43.59 | ToughShooter | I wonder why I am always a bit jittery (1ms). Could it be my interleaved ADSL connection? |
| 19:44.33 | purple_cow | 1ms is jittery? |
| 19:44.41 | _Manu_ | lol.. that's not bad :) |
| 19:44.56 | ToughShooter | Well, it just doesn't look so good ;) |
| 19:46.07 | ToughShooter | Is bzfs lag check so sensitive that it detects the interleaving error correction? (Interleaving works via sending out packets wich a different order) |
| 19:53.03 | menotume | 10 points to anyone who can correctly identify the players in this match: http://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/foomatch.png |
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| 20:04.52 | menotume | sry, had to move it to: http://www.bzleague.com/imghost/foomatch.png |
| 20:04.57 | menotume | too many hitting it :) |
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| 20:16.33 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: i've been mostly working on other things :P |
| 20:16.55 | JeffM2501 | I gathered |
| 20:17.01 | JeffM2501 | geting it to build now |
| 20:17.32 | JeffM2501 | had to remove a lot of namespace stuff :( |
| 20:22.11 | JeffM2501 | geting closer |
| 20:25.14 | RatOmeter | !weather kswo |
| 20:25.20 | TheLastSpartan | RatOmeter: The current temperature in Stillwater Municipal, Oklahoma (74075) is 100°F (2:53 PM CDT on July 22, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 33%. Dew Point: 66°F. Pressure: 30.02 in (1016 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 11 out of 16 |
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| 20:41.14 | *** topic/#bzflag by Punkus -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMakin |
| 20:41.28 | Punkus | what the? |
| 20:42.11 | JeffM2501 | what did you do ray? |
| 20:42.11 | *** topic/#bzflag by bryjen -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking |
| 20:42.24 | Punkus | o.O strange |
| 20:42.37 | JeffM2501 | random clicks can be fun |
| 20:43.09 | Punkus | I typed in a few letters, nothing happened, i backspaced it and pressed enter... |
| 20:43.37 | Punkus | Is anyone allowed to change the topic? |
| 20:44.59 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:45.04 | Punkus | lol |
| 20:45.07 | JeffM2501 | the enter is what does it |
| 20:45.38 | Punkus | I must've clicked up on the topic bar. When you type in there and press enter it changes the topic(this is in gaim) |
| 20:46.08 | Punkus | it probably put focus straight up there... lol |
| 20:46.34 | Punkus | Anyway, anyone seen cods or thumper lately? |
| 20:46.42 | JeffM2501 | TheLastSpartan, seen cods |
| 20:46.43 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: cods was last seen here 1 week, 4 days, 18 hours, 23 minutes, and 44 seconds ago saying: <cods> what's the version of your portage package ? |
| 20:46.52 | JeffM2501 | TheLastSpartan, seen thumper |
| 20:46.53 | TheLastSpartan | JeffM2501: I have not seen thumper. |
| 20:47.09 | Punkus | 1 week! |
| 20:47.12 | Punkus | wow |
| 20:47.21 | brad2901 | !seen thumper_ |
| 20:47.23 | TheLastSpartan | brad2901: thumper_ was last seen here 2 days, 23 hours, 53 minutes, and 39 seconds ago saying: <Thumper_> it's only 4 months old :) |
| 20:47.28 | brad2901 | :) |
| 20:47.41 | Punkus | i was talking to cods yesterday |
| 20:47.58 | JeffM2501 | in this channel? |
| 20:48.01 | Punkus | nope |
| 20:48.05 | Punkus | in PM |
| 20:48.15 | JeffM2501 | the bots don't see PMs |
| 20:48.25 | Punkus | ya, i know |
| 20:49.20 | Punkus | that surprised me, because i was walking to him yesterday and I though he might be in here, like, say hi or somthing |
| 20:49.28 | Punkus | talking* |
| 20:49.39 | Punkus | lol |
| 20:49.41 | JeffM2501 | I don't think he's a "hi" type of guy |
| 20:49.44 | Punkus | k |
| 20:49.56 | bryjen | at least he didn't shut off the grid ;) |
| 20:57.44 | trepan | zoly: "...advantage with close-range combat...see its heading..." -> not without a hacked client |
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| 21:18.55 | purple_cow | soo |
| 21:19.04 | purple_cow | we need to figure out what we're doing for a shindig in LA |
| 21:19.55 | JeffM2501 | when is it? |
| 21:21.07 | purple_cow | i'll be in town from the morning of the 30th to the afternoon of the 5th |
| 21:21.10 | purple_cow | dunno about other people |
| 21:21.27 | purple_cow | if we aim for a weekend, we might get scanline there |
| 21:21.34 | JeffM2501 | that'd be cool |
| 21:21.39 | JeffM2501 | he's moving right? |
| 21:21.43 | JeffM2501 | but up north |
| 21:21.48 | purple_cow | he's moved |
| 21:21.53 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 21:21.55 | purple_cow | starts his new job on monday |
| 21:22.21 | JeffM2501 | he willing to drive down here? |
| 21:22.25 | JeffM2501 | IIRC he's like 4-5 hours out |
| 21:26.49 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: yeah, if it's a weekend |
| 21:26.59 | JeffM2501 | well I'm fine with a weekend |
| 21:27.18 | purple_cow | i guess weekend pretty much means 30th or 31st |
| 21:27.44 | JeffM2501 | your at the convention center? |
| 21:28.00 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 21:28.10 | DTRemenak | anytime works afaiac |
| 21:28.21 | JeffM2501 | any ideas where? |
| 21:28.26 | JeffM2501 | I know stuff out by me |
| 21:28.34 | JeffM2501 | it'd be like a 30-40 min drive for you all tho |
| 21:30.07 | purple_cow | only time i've been in LA other than the airport was last year |
| 21:30.14 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 21:30.22 | JeffM2501 | there is a good cheesecake factory out by me |
| 21:30.31 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:30.34 | JeffM2501 | you'd just have to pop down the 101 |
| 21:30.43 | JeffM2501 | and dtr down the 210 to the 118 |
| 21:30.57 | RatOmeter | heck, the only place in Cal. I've been is LAX |
| 21:31.19 | JeffM2501 | LAX is evil |
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| 21:34.22 | JeffM2501 | I can drive out where ever as well |
| 21:34.38 | RatOmeter | yes, had about 20 min to get bags from domestic to Int'l terminal and didn't know the airport layout |
| 21:35.05 | JeffM2501 | inbetween us all is like universal studios and that area |
| 21:35.35 | JeffM2501 | hmm there is a dave and busters in the citywalk |
| 21:35.45 | JeffM2501 | as well as some good resurants |
| 21:36.44 | creeperz | ooouch |
| 21:36.52 | creeperz | too much... Chinese food |
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| 21:40.10 | JeffM2501 | awww looks like the D@B is gone from the city walk |
| 21:40.14 | JeffM2501 | but it would still be centeral |
| 21:43.45 | JeffM2501 | there is a buco de pepos there as well as some other good places so it'd be my vote |
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| 21:45.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/ (include/bzfsAPI.h src/bzfs/bzfsAPI.cxx): add global data clipboard so plugins can pass data around if they need to, and not save it in bzdb. |
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| 22:09.54 | zoly | trepan: right, notices i see opponent only as observer, not as player. |
| 22:10.02 | zoly | noticed ... |
| 22:10.30 | trepan | yup, didn't want "The Red Baron" freaking out over radar changes... ;) |
| 22:11.41 | zoly | oh well, it is nice enough the way it is |
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| 22:11.43 | trepan | and i agree, giving the heading away would take something away from the gameplay |
| 22:12.44 | zoly | trepan: still can be done. two computers, or one with 2 screens. login once as player, once as observer |
| 22:13.48 | trepan | don't need the radar change to take advantage of that setup |
| 22:13.57 | zoly | true |
| 22:14.27 | zoly | well, you need one hand only, for steering, shooting, and radar setting. |
| 22:15.43 | trepan | track player mode would probably server you well enough |
| 22:15.59 | trepan | s/server/serve |
| 22:16.49 | Punkus | when jumpVelocity and gravity is unchanged, what is the height that your tank is able to jump? |
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| 22:17.20 | trepan | about 18.4 |
| 22:17.29 | Punkus | k |
| 22:17.40 | trepan | but jump heights shouldn't be much more then 16 for playability |
| 22:17.56 | zoly | trepan: another flag idea: wet powder |
| 22:18.25 | zoly | delays shot |
| 22:18.42 | trepan | the lag flag was killed... i see a parallel |
| 22:18.45 | Punkus | delay between click and firing? |
| 22:18.51 | zoly | right |
| 22:19.14 | Punkus | thats already been suggested on the flags page on the wiki |
| 22:19.18 | zoly | ok |
| 22:19.33 | Punkus | Delayed Shot{DS} |
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| 22:27.46 | linuxclub | hi menotume |
| 22:27.54 | linuxclub | I'm hiding |
| 22:29.07 | Aribeth | from whom? |
| 22:29.31 | linuxclub | I'm just following menotune previous suggestion |
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| 22:29.56 | Aribeth | which is? |
| 22:30.08 | linuxclub | I don't know why . He ask me (Tupone) to hide |
| 22:30.19 | linuxclub | but now I'm not more :( |
| 22:30.24 | Aribeth | ahh |
| 22:39.17 | Aribeth | jpa- passes out |
| 22:39.46 | jpa- | actually i fell asleep |
| 22:39.50 | jpa- | happy and relaxed |
| 22:39.58 | Aribeth | heh |
| 22:45.22 | menotume | hehe, hellos, hiding |
| 22:46.15 | linuxclub | hi ... difficult for me to code bzfs authentication delay without ADSL :( |
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| 22:47.49 | menotume | Death_Barrel always scares them away |
| 22:51.57 | Aribeth | heh, i thought it was ibunny |
| 22:53.54 | blast007 | :) |
| 23:06.06 | zoly | is it ok to keep tcp port for bzflag server closed (especially when configuration requires udp for connection) ? |
| 23:06.17 | Pimpinella | no |
| 23:06.20 | zoly | ok |
| 23:06.57 | Pimpinella | you can keep udp closed, but tcp is required |
| 23:07.15 | JeffM2501 | you want UDP and TCP |
| 23:07.19 | Pimpinella | sure |
| 23:07.26 | JeffM2501 | a non UDP server will suck ass |
| 23:07.29 | Pimpinella | but he could... |
| 23:07.31 | zoly | done. was both open, was just considering to close tvp |
| 23:07.38 | zoly | tcp ... |
| 23:07.52 | JeffM2501 | TCP is required |
| 23:08.00 | JeffM2501 | we do not use a udp only engine |
| 23:08.14 | JeffM2501 | any message that has to go thru is sent TCP |
| 23:08.16 | JeffM2501 | like login |
| 23:08.17 | DTRemenak | tcp is slow, so most messages don't use it. it's also guaranteed (error correcting), so the most important messages get sent over it (ergo it's required). |
| 23:08.17 | JeffM2501 | shots |
| 23:08.57 | JeffM2501 | the game can send all things over TCP still ( I think ) |
| 23:09.14 | JeffM2501 | but it's not good cus it's all slow |
| 23:09.16 | zoly | think so too but probably higher server load |
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| 23:10.05 | JeffM2501 | there will be more retransmits |
| 23:10.26 | Pimpinella | server load will be no problem, it's the protocol |
| 23:10.41 | Pimpinella | you need an ack for every send |
| 23:10.51 | Pimpinella | bandwith is much more |
| 23:11.05 | Pimpinella | udp has an 8 byte header |
| 23:11.12 | Pimpinella | tcp minimun 20 |
| 23:11.45 | Pimpinella | many things make tcp slow compared to udp |
| 23:12.22 | Pimpinella | but you never know if udp reaches the other side |
| 23:13.32 | Pimpinella | i'd like to add a -pidfile flag to bzfs, i'm not sure how to handle non unix platforms |
| 23:14.30 | Pimpinella | should i use preprocessor constructs? |
| 23:14.35 | blast007 | it already has one |
| 23:14.35 | blast007 | -pidfile: write the process id into <filename> on startup |
| 23:14.44 | Pimpinella | really? |
| 23:14.47 | brad2901 | yup |
| 23:14.49 | Pimpinella | wow |
| 23:14.50 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:14.51 | brad2901 | I'm using it now :) |
| 23:14.54 | Pimpinella | never knew |
| 23:14.57 | blast007 | ;) |
| 23:15.27 | Pimpinella | it always was very high on my wishlist |
| 23:15.30 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 23:16.25 | DTRemenak | Pimpinella: yeah, I think it was implemented at your request :) |
| 23:16.39 | DTRemenak | guess nobody got around to telling you |
| 23:16.46 | Pimpinella | hehe |
| 23:19.56 | zoly | 40 players would to amount to about what server traffic per second ? |
| 23:20.23 | Pimpinella | depends much on your configuration |
| 23:20.44 | Pimpinella | jumping, number of shats |
| 23:20.44 | zoly | about the config which goes to 200 kb/s with 30 players |
| 23:21.04 | zoly | 2 shots, no jumps |
| 23:21.05 | DTRemenak | oh, never mind, at Nid's request |
| 23:21.31 | Pimpinella | i'm sure i asked for it too |
| 23:21.47 | zoly | Adrenaline was crowded tonight, i'll try a 4 player version. |
| 23:21.58 | DTRemenak | yeah, I think I remember you asking :) |
| 23:22.16 | Pimpinella | zoly: hard to say, if it's 200 kb/s with 30 players it might be 400kb/s for 40 |
| 23:23.03 | Pimpinella | probably a lil less, but not much |
| 23:23.40 | zoly | sounds ok. still within limits. |
| 23:23.53 | zoly | (monthly traffic worst case) |
| 23:25.37 | DTRemenak | hm, my mrtg is broken |
| 23:26.13 | zoly | got about 700 gbyte spare. thats about 65 % of 24/7 40 players. extremely unlikely of course. |
| 23:26.16 | DTRemenak | hah, it's been reading perfectly flat 8kB/s since mid-april :) |
| 23:27.21 | Pimpinella | it's made with preprocessor directives |
| 23:28.36 | DTRemenak | hm, snmpd is nonresponsive |
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| 23:28.48 | Pimpinella | who made that city map on loumans:5157? |
| 23:29.00 | DTRemenak | if it's on louman's server, louman made the map |
| 23:29.31 | Pimpinella | Metropolis |
| 23:29.36 | Pimpinella | great map |
| 23:29.43 | DTRemenak | yeah that's one of his newer ones |
| 23:29.51 | DTRemenak | as Jeff says, louman "gets it" :) |
| 23:30.19 | Pimpinella | who is he, i noticed him only lately |
| 23:30.39 | Pimpinella | was he with another name before? |
| 23:33.03 | Pimpinella | nite |
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| 23:47.54 | orchid | ~spell tiling |
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| 23:48.01 | autocosm2 | hello |
| 23:48.10 | SportChick | ~Nidhoggr++ |
| 23:48.17 | autocosm2 | !weather 04043 |
| 23:48.20 | TheLastSpartan | autocosm2: The current temperature in Kennebunk, Maine (04043) is 72°F (7:35 PM EDT on July 22, 2005). Conditions: Thunderstorm. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 68°F. Pressure: 29.90 in (1012 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 16 |
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| 23:49.57 | purple_cow | brlcad: figured out travel plans yet? |
| 23:50.18 | autocosm2 | !weather 03801 |
| 23:50.21 | TheLastSpartan | autocosm2: The current temperature in Portsmouth, New Hampshire (03801) is 72°F (7:20 PM EDT on July 22, 2005). Conditions: Light Thunderstorm Rain Mist. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 68°F. Pressure: 29.84 in (1010 hPa). Visibility: 5.0 miles (8.0 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 23:50.33 | brlcad | purple_cow: I find out monday if i'm taking the train or not.. |
| 23:50.39 | brlcad | so .. no, not yet :) |
| 23:50.47 | purple_cow | heh |
| 23:50.58 | purple_cow | do you at least know which day you're arriving? :) |
| 23:50.59 | autocosm2 | hey cool brad2901's on! Brad can u hear me? |
| 23:50.59 | brlcad | these will be the shortest-notice travel plans to date, me thinks |
| 23:51.11 | brad2901 | autocosm2, hi |
| 23:51.14 | brlcad | purple_cow: hotel's for saturday |
| 23:51.27 | autocosm2 | (call of honor) |
| 23:51.32 | brad2901 | ah.. :) |
| 23:51.34 | brlcad | you could arrive anytime then or thereafter, through friday regardless of me |
| 23:51.35 | autocosm2 | i feel stupid |
| 23:51.56 | brlcad | sure it's not just a feeling? :) |
| 23:52.01 | purple_cow | brlcad: ok, cool |
| 23:53.03 | autocosm2 | ummm, metal rod severe thunderstorm the weather report is wrong = dangerous lighting, just came back from walking the dog near metal towers |
| 23:53.50 | autocosm2 | I wonder... |
| 23:54.05 | autocosm2 | !weather 03801 |
| 23:54.08 | TheLastSpartan | autocosm2: The current temperature in Portsmouth, New Hampshire (03801) is 70°F (7:32 PM EDT on July 22, 2005). Conditions: Heavy Thunderstorm Rain Mist. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 68°F. Pressure: 29.84 in (1010 hPa). Visibility: 0.8 miles (1.2 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 23:54.20 | autocosm2 | Yay! Heavy thunderstorm! |
| 23:54.40 | purple_cow | brlcad: if we do a shindig on the 30th, we can probably get scanline to participate :) |
| 23:54.51 | brlcad | cool |
| 23:54.59 | brlcad | that's what? saturday? |
| 23:55.16 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 23:55.34 | brlcad | cool, that should work |
| 23:55.38 | zoly | in server list, the condition for dropping bad flag is not cleared when walking along servers w/o flags. |
| 23:55.56 | zoly | instead, the latest display is kept on screen |
| 23:55.57 | purple_cow | welp, my sister's boyfriend is in town, so it's now time to head over to my parents' house and intimidate him |
| 23:55.58 | brlcad | is this going to be a big bz-get-together? |
| 23:56.05 | purple_cow | brlcad: prolly |
| 23:56.09 | brlcad | k |
| 23:56.13 | autocosm2 | i'm going outside for a minute |
| 23:56.20 | DTRemenak | yay shindig |
| 23:56.58 | autocosm2 | It's raining so hard! I can't see anything within 2 feet! |
| 23:57.11 | autocosm2 | now it's hailing |
| 23:57.40 | autocosm2 | !weather 03801 |
| 23:57.43 | TheLastSpartan | autocosm2: The current temperature in Portsmouth, New Hampshire (03801) is 70°F (7:32 PM EDT on July 22, 2005). Conditions: Heavy Thunderstorm Rain Mist. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 68°F. Pressure: 29.84 in (1010 hPa). Visibility: 0.8 miles (1.2 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 23:57.51 | brlcad | it doesn't update that frequently |
| 23:58.07 | brlcad | give it at least a half-hour unless you kind find the frequency |
| 23:58.07 | autocosm2 | yeah well, my dog is getting scared |
| 23:58.52 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, train? |
| 23:58.55 | JeffM2501 | from where to where? |
| 23:59.10 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, so where are we having it? |
| 23:59.14 | autocosm2 | well the visibility went down from 10.0 miles to 0.8 miles |
| 23:59.25 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: no idea |
| 23:59.29 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 23:59.36 | JeffM2501 | autocosm2, why are you telling us? |
| 23:59.37 | DTRemenak | I dunno too much up here |
| 23:59.45 | JeffM2501 | I'm sugesting citywalk |
| 23:59.54 | DTRemenak | see, I don't even know where that is :) |
