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| 00:05.15 | menotume | how about the client server-list being borked ? |
| 00:05.51 | blast007 | menotume: he said that ;) |
| 00:06.08 | blast007 | "not being able to contact the list server with 2.0.3" |
| 00:06.14 | menotume | no, not connection problem |
| 00:06.21 | menotume | no, not that - one sec |
| 00:07.08 | menotume | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1236363&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 00:07.20 | menotume | this happens to me about once or day or so, sometimes more |
| 00:07.41 | DTRemenak | that bug has been in there since at least 1.10.2 :) |
| 00:07.46 | menotume | today, i had something really funky happen, but i won't report it till i can reproduce it |
| 00:07.46 | blast007 | ah |
| 00:07.50 | DTRemenak | clear the list server cache |
| 00:07.52 | menotume | really ? |
| 00:07.54 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 00:08.06 | DTRemenak | dunno why nobody's ever fixed it |
| 00:08.08 | menotume | hmm |
| 00:08.14 | menotume | dunno why i never saw it before |
| 00:08.17 | menotume | :) |
| 00:08.31 | menotume | i never noticed it till 2.0, oh well |
| 00:08.38 | DTRemenak | it seems to only happen "every so often" and then it sticks around until you clear the cache |
| 00:08.48 | menotume | ahh |
| 00:08.48 | blast007 | I never noticed it, cuz I don't use the cache ;) |
| 00:09.37 | menotume | if caching is turned off in options, is there NO caching at all ? |
| 00:09.53 | menotume | cause, it seemed something was cahcing when i was testing bzfls stuff |
| 00:10.07 | menotume | had to manually clear it |
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| 00:10.55 | menotume | was probably just me , confused again :) |
| 00:11.28 | blast007 | I think it's "Off / Backup" |
| 00:11.34 | bugeater | anybody else get real slow performance on, for example, two castles? |
| 00:11.37 | menotume | yeah, that's what i use |
| 00:11.37 | blast007 | so maybe if the list is down, it will use the cache |
| 00:11.54 | menotume | k, no biggie - just curious |
| 00:12.24 | menotume | the only other thing may be to get the bzfls changes up/tested (for -advertise bzfs option) |
| 00:12.32 | blast007 | bugeater: what video card do you have? Also, make sure that 'Depth Buffer' is set to 'On' |
| 00:13.34 | blast007 | if your video card isn't very good, you can try decreasing some graphics settings, or lowering the resolution |
| 00:14.09 | bugeater | Integrated nvidia. Works fine on other servers. two castles seems to have been upgraded though? |
| 00:14.48 | menotume | by 'slow performance', do you mean frame-rate ? |
| 00:15.06 | bugeater | unplayably slow. |
| 00:15.34 | blast007 | press 't' in the game, and let us know what the FPS is |
| 00:15.42 | blast007 | it will appear just above the mouse box |
| 00:17.29 | menotume | looks like they may have added textures, i get a 'downloading files' on joining |
| 00:18.50 | blast007 | could be |
| 00:18.50 | bugeater | I'm getting 7 fps on two castles, 70 on secretplace |
| 00:19.21 | bugeater | depth buffer on too. |
| 00:19.41 | menotume | DTRemenak: in case ou're not aware, i made changes in bzfs (in cvs) for -advertise option. This is not properly tested since bzfls has not bee upgraded (TR has my changes for that) |
| 00:20.09 | menotume | maybe try playing with display options / texturing ? |
| 00:20.37 | blast007 | or disabling the downloadable textures |
| 00:21.19 | menotume | I get my standard 60fps there (sync enabled) |
| 00:21.31 | bugeater | Ok... I played with a few settings and am getting decent rates. Thanks for the help |
| 00:21.44 | menotume | enjoy |
| 00:22.03 | bugeater | exit |
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| 00:58.59 | tea\tree | hola |
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| 01:04.27 | menotume | hola tea ! |
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| 01:06.33 | RatOmeter2 | *chirp* |
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| 01:10.57 | menotume | eeep, one RatOmeter isn;t enough ? |
| 01:11.05 | menotume | now we have to deal with 2 ? |
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| 02:14.40 | spldart | You have a time machine blast007? |
| 02:15.08 | blast007 | the pin dropped |
| 02:15.16 | blast007 | it didn't hit the ground yet ;) |
| 02:15.56 | spldart | Then how did I hear it? |
| 02:16.33 | blast007 | it was dropped from really high, so it was moving so fast, and it created a high pitched noise |
| 02:16.42 | blast007 | of course, I now have a hole in my hand |
| 02:16.56 | spldart | Sucks to be you :-o |
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| 02:59.02 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/data/radar.png: make the extremes a little more transparent |
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| 03:40.59 | Grumbler | trepan< not sure how you setup that server, but that was the best lag experience i have had in months |
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| 04:04.03 | trepan | Grumbler: thank brlcad, it's his machine (no special server setup) |
| 04:53.50 | Aribeth_away | mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmjkkkkqwertyop[]12347890-=hjkccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc |
| 04:54.29 | trepan | Aribeth_onCrack ? |
| 04:54.59 | Aribeth_away | key fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc |
| 04:55.13 | trepan | hehe |
| 04:55.21 | trepan | buy some new batteries |
| 04:56.11 | Aribeth_away | keytcccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc |
| 04:56.17 | Aribeth_away | key |
| 04:56.23 | Aribeth_away | pro |
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| 04:56.52 | trepan | that's it, you can do it... baby steps |
| 04:57.16 | Aribeth_away | ar |
| 04:57.53 | trepan | now lets try some multi-syllabic words |
| 04:58.01 | trepan | can you say mississippi ? |
| 04:58.45 | Aribeth_away | key procccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777 |
| 04:58.56 | Aribeth_away | wtr key |
| 04:59.12 | trepan | guess not ;-) |
| 04:59.19 | Aribeth_away | pcccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc |
| 05:03.31 | trepan | ah, she's spilled water(wtr) on his keyboard |
| 05:03.36 | trepan | s/his/her |
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| 05:27.17 | Aribeth | sorry about the spamming earlier. keyboard died |
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| 05:59.49 | creeperz | !weather 57350 |
| 05:59.50 | TheLastSpartan | creeperz: The current temperature in Huron, South Dakota (57350) is 68°F (12:55 AM CDT on July 20, 2005). Conditions: Thunderstorm Rain. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 63°F. Pressure: 29.74 in (1007 hPa). Visibility: 2.5 miles (4.0 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 06:00.06 | creeperz | 2.5 mile my arse |
| 06:00.19 | creeperz | didnt even see an ambulance almost slam into me earlier :-/ |
| 06:00.57 | Eowyn | eek |
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| 06:28.56 | Aribeth | !weather 30040 |
| 06:28.58 | TheLastSpartan | Aribeth: The current temperature in Cumming, Georgia (30040) is 65°F (2:20 AM EDT on July 20, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 65°F. UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 06:35.22 | creeperz | great! |
| 06:35.31 | creeperz | gunna be really humid tomorrow |
| 06:35.36 | creeperz | really hot and really humid |
| 06:35.54 | creeperz | need to think of an excuse to get out of work |
| 06:36.49 | creeperz | cuz I dont want to lay concrete forms in 90+ degree temperatures with +80% humidity |
| 06:37.01 | creeperz | 90 plus 80 |
| 06:37.09 | creeperz | thats like 160 degrees :-P |
| 06:39.48 | Aribeth | thats the norm here |
| 06:42.08 | creeperz | ouch |
| 06:42.28 | creeperz | its just been really hot here, with slight humidity |
| 06:42.47 | Aribeth | temp now is 70 and 87% humidity |
| 06:42.51 | creeperz | livable conditions, but unbearable :-P |
| 06:42.54 | creeperz | geez |
| 06:43.10 | creeperz | I would hate to live wherever you do :-) |
| 06:43.13 | Aribeth | 91 tomorrow |
| 06:45.50 | Aribeth | oh, and thunder storms |
| 06:51.50 | Aribeth | im in Georgia |
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| 09:37.46 | koalabear | julia julia wanting you to touch me. |
| 09:37.51 | koalabear | hi eveyone. |
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| 11:29.52 | koalabear | hiyas |
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| 12:35.22 | RatOmeter | good morning to those where the sun is rising |
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| 12:50.49 | Grumbler | good morninig to those on ugt |
| 12:51.05 | blast007 | hehe, morning ;) |
| 13:01.08 | menotume | hmmm. ugt |
| 13:01.28 | Grumbler | ~ugt |
| 13:01.28 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. |
| 13:01.31 | RatOmeter | Universal Greenwich time? |
| 13:01.34 | RatOmeter | ah |
| 13:02.16 | menotume | that would be good afternoon, yes ? |
| 13:02.24 | RatOmeter | learn something old every day |
| 13:02.27 | menotume | ahhh |
| 13:02.30 | Grumbler | trepan< really, brlcad, that might explain why i had such a great game. |
| 13:04.39 | trepan | Grumbler: you close to Florida? traceroute tells me it's down there |
| 13:09.29 | Grumbler | florida, no, but it is an east coast server, that helps |
| 13:12.04 | Grumbler | first game in awhile where i had minimal "shoot, i missed, dang" ......maybe it was beta10 |
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| 13:58.31 | Grumbler | !weather 21401 |
| 13:58.33 | TheLastSpartan | Grumbler: The current temperature in Annapolis, Maryland (21401) is 83°F (9:54 AM EDT on July 20, 2005). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 69°F. Pressure: 30.04 in (1017 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 6 out of 16 |
| 13:58.52 | menotume | cold spell ? |
| 13:59.30 | Grumbler | well, its only ~10am |
| 13:59.31 | menotume | ahhh, Hubdidity down :) |
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| 14:00.46 | Grumbler | today 93, tomorrow 95, friday 92 |
| 14:01.05 | Grumbler | weekend looks good |
| 14:01.30 | menotume | we had a cold front go trhough :) |
| 14:01.36 | menotume | ~waether 19067 |
| 14:01.40 | menotume | ~wether 19067 |
| 14:01.46 | menotume | ~weather 19067 |
| 14:01.53 | menotume | i got to get new fingers |
| 14:01.59 | blast007 | :) |
| 14:01.59 | menotume | !weather 19067 |
| 14:02.02 | TheLastSpartan | menotume: The current temperature in Yardley, Pennsylvania (19067) is 82°F (9:53 AM EDT on July 20, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 70°F. Pressure: 30.00 in (1016 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 7 out of 16 |
| 14:04.20 | Grumbler | new fingers , new bot, |
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| 14:09.26 | menotume | ~lobotomy me |
| 14:09.26 | ibot | ACTION pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on menotume |
| 14:09.30 | menotume | ~unlobotomy me |
| 14:09.37 | menotume | uh ohs |
| 14:09.49 | menotume | i wanted a new mind, too |
| 14:10.06 | menotume | !unlobotomy me |
| 14:10.08 | TheLastSpartan | menotume: are you 11? |
| 14:10.21 | menotume | !dahhhh, yup |
| 14:10.22 | TheLastSpartan | menotume: Don't worry, I'm sure you'll figure it out someday. |
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| 14:29.56 | Grumbler | but menotume started it :) |
| 14:30.31 | Grumbler | the bots were just defending themselves :) |
| 14:32.24 | RatOmeter | maps question: 0 degrees rotation is "North"? |
| 14:32.40 | RatOmeter | (for objects in a map) |
| 14:35.53 | Grumbler | believe so, yes |
| 14:36.33 | RatOmeter | thanks. tweaking the bzflag entry at wikipedia |
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| 14:48.47 | zoly | 'morning |
| 14:51.02 | RatOmeter | morning |
| 14:51.26 | SportChick | !weather 90277 |
| 14:51.30 | TheLastSpartan | SportChick: The current temperature in Redondo Beach, California (90277) is 70°F (6:55 AM PDT on July 20, 2005). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 64°F. Pressure: 29.85 in (1011 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 0 out of 16 |
| 14:51.41 | SportChick | sheesh! hot! |
| 14:51.57 | RatOmeter | hot? |
| 14:52.06 | RatOmeter | !weather kswo |
| 14:52.15 | TheLastSpartan | RatOmeter: The current temperature in Stillwater Municipal, Oklahoma (74075) is 82°F (8:53 AM CDT on July 20, 2005). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 70°F. Pressure: 29.99 in (1015 hPa). Visibility: 10.0 miles (16.1 kilometers). UV: 3 out of 16 |
| 14:52.41 | Grumbler | ~fishslap SportChick for sarcasism |
| 14:52.41 | ibot | ACTION slaps SportChick up side the head with a wet fish for sarcasism |
| 14:53.20 | SportChick | Grumbler: I wa NOT being sarcastic! It's not even 8 AM yet and it's already 70! We were so hot last night we almost couldn't sleep |
| 14:53.33 | SportChick | ~lart Grumbler for being mean |
| 14:53.44 | Grumbler | heh, what you dont have AC |
| 14:53.50 | SportChick | of course not |
| 14:53.55 | SportChick | NO ONE has A/C here |
| 14:54.07 | SportChick | A/C=ocean |
| 14:54.16 | Grumbler | !lart SportChick for being a prima dona |
| 14:54.25 | Grumbler | :) |
| 14:54.45 | Grumbler | heh |
| 14:54.48 | SportChick | (and it's "donna" btw) |
| 14:54.55 | Grumbler | haha |
| 14:55.43 | jpa- | !praise SportChick |
| 14:55.51 | Grumbler | ~jpa_ |
| 14:55.51 | ibot | rumour has it, jpa_ is an evil master whose primary goal is to take a karma lead over SportChick or to get free jars of Nutella......only time will tell...huaaahhhha |
| 14:56.02 | SportChick | ~jpa-++ |
| 14:56.06 | SportChick | ~Grumbler-- |
| 14:56.13 | jpa- | !praise SportChick |
| 14:56.21 | SportChick | wow! hehe, funny, jpa |
| 14:56.24 | SportChick | ~SportChick |
| 14:56.24 | ibot | a fast-typing, mistake making, fun-loving, koolaid-drinking chick |
| 14:56.54 | SportChick | ~karma jpa- |
| 14:56.54 | ibot | jpa- has karma of 2 |
| 14:57.01 | SportChick | ~karma SportChick |
| 14:57.01 | ibot | sportchick has karma of 98 |
| 14:57.11 | SportChick | woah! who gave me so much karma?! |
| 14:57.27 | SportChick | actual drink |
| 14:57.32 | SportChick | didn't know it was slang for anything |
| 14:57.58 | SportChick | ~karma jpa_ |
| 14:57.58 | ibot | jpa_ has neutral karma |
| 14:58.31 | jpa- | i've never even tasted nutella |
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| 14:58.57 | Grumbler | hence your strong drive to get some because of all the hub-bub about it |
| 14:59.47 | jpa- | but would a real evil master tell his true goal? |
| 15:00.48 | Grumbler | http://www.mini2.com/gallery/personal/15035/65536.jpg |
| 15:00.50 | jpa- | my real goal is to get married with Grumbler <3 |
| 15:01.56 | RatOmeter | that's one large mo-squito |
| 15:02.08 | Grumbler | that mosquito was a monster.....and that one i was able to salvage, the first one died rather brutally |
| 15:03.29 | RatOmeter | the only good skeeter is a... |
| 15:03.38 | Grumbler | dead skeeter |
| 15:03.41 | RatOmeter | yep |
| 15:03.56 | jpa- | the only good jpa- is a... |
| 15:04.09 | RatOmeter | really evil jpa? |
| 15:04.37 | Grumbler | a jpa under heavy sedation |
| 15:04.59 | Grumbler | a jpa under professional medical care |
| 15:04.59 | jpa- | you guys believe in santa too? |
| 15:05.11 | jpa- | a good jpa-.. hah |
| 15:06.31 | jpa- | hmm, now to get on-topic: |
| 15:06.53 | jpa- | i'm having some rendering bugs with intel 845G and DRI |
| 15:07.09 | jpa- | how should i know if it is bzflag or something else? |
| 15:07.22 | Grumbler | i think this is where jeffm would go......."go get a real card" |
| 15:07.23 | blast007 | icky, 845 |
| 15:07.41 | jpa- | well i could use that tnt2 too |
| 15:07.56 | RatOmeter | Hmmm, look for an open GL benchmark program and check it's rendering? |
| 15:08.01 | Grumbler | ....and then jeffm would go "....i said a real card" |
| 15:09.00 | blast007 | :) |
| 15:09.31 | RatOmeter | heh |
| 15:09.47 | Grumbler | CC and hte music factory |
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| 15:17.53 | Grumbler | dont thiink i have seen hip and geek used together. but it does sound very cool |
| 15:25.16 | RatOmeter | interesting that main() in bzflag.cxx uses the blocking gethostbyname() (indirectly via Address::getHostName) during startup |
| 15:26.08 | RatOmeter | not that it hurts anything |
| 15:27.15 | RatOmeter | ServerList.cxx does too |
| 15:37.32 | menotume | i miss the days of cga nd hercules |
| 15:37.45 | jpa- | i miss sgk284 |
| 15:41.57 | RatOmeter | heh, surely you jest? |
| 15:43.08 | RatOmeter | was able to blow people away with "amazing" graphics in 1984 with it |
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| 15:46.38 | zoly | 2.0x bzflag client tends to mix up server names in the "available servers" list. when i select one, usually i end up somewhere else. |
| 15:47.07 | jpa- | hm? |
| 15:47.18 | jpa- | different address too? |
| 15:47.21 | RatOmeter | yeah, I mentioned that a few days ago |
| 15:47.33 | RatOmeter | today, I noticed it's mentioned in the TODO file |
| 15:47.36 | zoly | server spec and names also don't tend to match |
| 15:47.43 | RatOmeter | (probably has been for a while) |
| 15:47.46 | zoly | say, ducati style server with 10 shots and 4 teams ... |
| 15:48.01 | zoly | (which would be the server above or below) |
| 15:48.16 | RatOmeter | TODO file implies the the problem occurs only when server list caching is on? |
| 15:48.47 | zoly | that's probably the distribution default |
| 15:49.29 | zoly | i try turning caching off |
| 15:49.59 | RatOmeter | from the TODO: "fix the misalignment between the selected server and the one that is joined when the Server List Cache is enabled" |
| 15:50.21 | blast007 | zoly: clear the cache (temporary fix) |
| 15:50.33 | zoly | thanks |
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| 16:08.19 | CBG | bb admins: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4587&highlight= |
| 16:08.49 | zoly | CBG: cannonballguy ? |
| 16:08.58 | CBG | :P |
| 16:09.24 | zoly | i noticed circles of death is back. called adrenaline factory. that's yours ? |
| 16:09.35 | CBG | Eh? |
| 16:09.38 | CBG | No.... lol |
| 16:11.09 | blast007 | Turkish I think |
| 16:12.15 | Nidhoggr | *giggle* |
| 16:12.32 | bryjen | Istanbul |
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| 16:13.31 | Aribeth | hiya SportyGal, Hidhoggrr |
| 16:13.37 | Nidhoggr | sportchick, I keep sending you /msgs and you keep joining with another nick! |
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| 16:14.18 | Aribeth | hi Nidhoggr |
| 16:14.19 | Nidhoggr | hm. |
| 16:14.22 | Nidhoggr | hi Aribeth |
| 16:14.45 | Nidhoggr | chickie, is your internet insanely broken or something? |
| 16:14.58 | bryjen | Nidhoggr: if she's irc-ing from her cellphone, we found out yesterday it doesn't do private messages |
| 16:15.00 | blast007 | hmm...maybe it's not turkish...none of these translators will convert the words to english ;) |
| 16:15.10 | Nidhoggr | aaah. |
| 16:15.13 | Nidhoggr | poo |
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| 16:16.08 | Nidhoggr | I'm waiting for a call from my bead supplier so I can finish a commissioned piece today. |
| 16:16.17 | SportChicky | Nidhoggr: it's not my fault - doggone isp is being mean to me |
| 16:16.53 | Aribeth | well give them a kick for me sporty |
| 16:16.55 | Nidhoggr | aaah |
| 16:17.43 | Aribeth | hummm....i have adelphia. not problems.....so far....knock on wood. |
| 16:19.12 | bryjen | adelphia here is OK as long as its working. they've got the standard clue-deficient helpdesk/phone tech support though. |
| 16:19.33 | Aribeth | same here |
| 16:21.53 | bryjen | ~spell deficient |
| 16:23.02 | Aribeth | heh, last night was fun |
| 16:23.36 | Aribeth | i spilled water on my keyboard, and it started typeing all by itself |
| 16:23.47 | ruskie | lol |
| 16:24.02 | Aribeth | half the keys were dead |
| 16:24.15 | Aribeth | water was wter |
| 16:26.12 | menotume | Nidhoggr ! hi |
| 16:26.24 | Aribeth | hi meno |
| 16:26.26 | Nidhoggr | hi menotume |
| 16:26.31 | menotume | hi Ari |
| 16:26.52 | menotume | you have a minute for a pm, Nidhoggr ? |
| 16:28.21 | blast007 | Aribeth: http://www.man-machine.com/keybrd1.htm ;) |
| 16:29.14 | menotume | yeah - iv'e seen them - you can actually use it while submerged |
| 16:29.20 | Aribeth | heh. just what i need :P |
| 16:29.27 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:29.50 | Aribeth | the old keyboard was spamming here. :P |
| 16:30.10 | menotume | i thought you fell asleep on the kb |
| 16:30.24 | Aribeth | no, i spilled water on it |
| 16:30.52 | Aribeth | and half the keys were dead |
| 16:31.08 | menotume | hehe, just let it dry out |
| 16:31.21 | menotume | if it wasn't clean water, rinse it first :) |
| 16:31.22 | Aribeth | i did, didnt work |
| 16:31.24 | Nidhoggr | sorta, what's up, meno? |
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| 16:34.48 | ruskie | lo all |
| 16:35.07 | Pimpi | hi ruskie |
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| 16:39.12 | bryjen | Okies, whatever language that is, it's waay too long to be a question about registration. Deleting... |
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| 16:39.32 | Grumbler | wow, its Nidhoggr ......g'day |
| 16:40.35 | SportyGal | Nidhoggr: look out, Grumbler will ~lart or ~fishslap you if you say the tiniest little thing he doesn't like |
| 16:41.10 | Nidhoggr | hihi |
| 16:42.59 | blast007 | bryjen: just did a google for one sentence in there, and I saw the same message on two other forums :) |
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| 17:12.49 | SportyGal | ~wake Tupone |
| 17:12.49 | ibot | Tupone: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 17:13.03 | Tupone | good morning prima donna :) |
| 17:15.17 | SportyGal | gasp! |
| 17:15.35 | Tupone | lol |
| 17:16.07 | Tupone | I just read the log that say prima dona. It was wrong. the sentences is italian, but was wrong |
| 17:16.50 | bryjen | ~x it en prima |
| 17:17.08 | SportyGal | Tupone: to be called a "prima donna" in the US is rude, offensive and an insult. It implies that everyone must cater to me and that I demand to be treated as a queen |
| 17:17.11 | Tupone | prima -> first |
| 17:17.19 | blast007 | ~dict prima donna |
| 17:17.31 | Tupone | prima donna -> first lady |
| 17:18.03 | SportyGal | Tupone: I believe grumbler was indicating the second definition "a vain and tempermental person" |
| 17:18.22 | SportyGal | hence: |
| 17:18.25 | SportyGal | ~Grumbler-- |
| 17:18.27 | Tupone | I'm sorry. To us just means a girl who want to be subject of all the talks |
| 17:18.59 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:18.59 | Tupone | but I am just kidding |
| 17:19.30 | SportyGal | (but not to that mean Grumbler-guy) |
| 17:19.36 | Tupone | lol |
| 17:19.44 | Tupone | I noticed :) |
| 17:20.40 | SportyGal | Tupone: did you read the logs from yesterday re: anti-ban? |
| 17:21.50 | Tupone | I read something. I want just to implement the delayed banning so to solve ban and antiban. I'd let for now to someone who want to code, the way to protect from the kind of dos I described |
| 17:22.51 | SportyGal | it looked like dtr, etc. concluded that a branch was needed and if it was accomplished, then dos, antiban, authentication delays, etc. would be fixed |
| 17:22.55 | SportyGal | or improved |
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| 17:24.29 | Tupone | I don't want to branch now. I wanna fix that with this version. And nothing will be fixed definitely, could be improved. SO I'm working for the 2.0.x to fix antiban. I don't agree on branching now. I agree for brunch only |
| 17:26.13 | trepan | ~dict brunch |
| 17:26.40 | Tupone | :) I'm hungry, so I can think only at brunch |
| 17:27.24 | Tupone | Had in canada once. Only once :( |
| 17:28.02 | trepan | i'll buy you a brunch at a Cora's restaurant if you're ever my way |
| 17:28.17 | Tupone | ottawa ? |
| 17:28.30 | trepan | yup |
| 17:29.15 | Grumbler | hmmm, maybe italian princess, not prima dona |
| 17:29.16 | Tupone | Too far :( Max I get was to Toronto |
| 17:29.50 | Tupone | thank for invitation. I appreciate |
| 17:30.09 | Grumbler | ottawa, toronto....same thing......a short drive |
| 17:30.49 | Tupone | well, I was working at Syracuse. Syracuse to Toronto is a big travel by car (for me) |
| 17:31.54 | Tupone | and actually I went when orchid was just a name of flower |
| 17:32.54 | trepan | i.e. didn't see no bzg? |
| 17:33.06 | Tupone | nope :( |
| 17:33.48 | ToughShooter | Tupone: I got a screenie with bad lagstats sorting, where can I load it up? |
| 17:34.06 | ToughShooter | Hi Sporty |
| 17:34.33 | Tupone | oh ... Did I changed your code badly ? :( |
| 17:34.52 | ToughShooter | No, it was before the change (SP server) |
| 17:34.58 | SportyGal | hiya TS |
| 17:35.43 | Tupone | If you want to load-up, what about bzbb? I don't know if that is pertinent |
| 17:35.50 | Tupone | ~dict pertinent |
| 17:36.02 | Aribeth | hi TS, Sporty |
| 17:36.18 | Tupone | and me ? |
| 17:39.24 | Tupone | Radar |
| 17:40.22 | Grumbler | that would be the place.....lockheed/ge.......or whatever their name is now |
| 17:41.01 | Tupone | :) |
| 17:42.02 | ToughShooter | Howdy Ari |
| 17:44.09 | ToughShooter | Tupone: http://img71.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bzfi00006bg.png |
| 17:45.22 | Tupone | ToughShooter: is that fixed now ? Or do you know what the problem is ? |
| 17:46.20 | ToughShooter | Click on the image to see a bigger one. There is obviously something wrong with sorting when packet loss is there - unaffected by my change. |
| 17:47.44 | trepan | looks like getLagStats() uses a slightly different value then getLag() |
| 17:47.49 | Tupone | I saw the problem, without enlarging the image. Have not analyzed the cause yet |
| 17:48.55 | ToughShooter | I think this is the reason why bzadmin connections are always listed at first |
| 17:49.14 | trepan | it throws in an extra round of alpha filtering |
| 18:00.51 | SportyGal | hi ari |
| 18:22.34 | RatOmeter | doesn't make much sense to sort on one value of lag, but display a different one |
| 18:23.19 | blast007 | is there a reason that bzadmin doesn't respond to MsgLagPing? |
| 18:23.59 | Grumbler | blast007< there was, but i dont think it was a major reason |
| 18:24.10 | blast007 | cuz I added one line of code, and now the lag for bzadmin is hovering at around 40ms, and no packet loss is shown |
| 18:24.36 | trepan | Tupone: which lag value is the better one to display in /lagstats? the raw one or the one with extra filtering? |
| 18:27.35 | blast007 | hmm, the value from getLagStats() is only different if a ping reply is pending |
| 18:27.55 | RatOmeter | yes |
| 18:29.40 | Tupone | I put those differences when a friend of us started to cheat not replying to ping :) |
| 18:29.52 | blast007 | ah :) |
| 18:30.02 | Tupone | 'cause he was frequently kicked for excessive lag |
| 18:30.14 | blast007 | now that you mention it, I seem to recall that |
| 18:30.49 | Tupone | not responding will give 0 lag ping and 100 % missing |
| 18:31.00 | Tupone | but kick was only related to lag |
| 18:31.06 | RatOmeter | I see. but under normal circumstances, wouldn't that additional alpha calc be applied on top of what updatePingLag does and be mathematically suspect? |
| 18:31.47 | Tupone | the additional calculation does not affect lag. Is just for display IIRC |
| 18:33.06 | RatOmeter | yes, and I think that is what is at issue |
| 18:33.34 | Tupone | I have to look more deeply, but I gave some weight to missing ping, to detect other offending creature |
| 18:34.07 | Tupone | now .. I 'm opened to anything :/ |
| 18:34.09 | RatOmeter | IMWO, the displayed value should be lagavg |
| 18:34.37 | Tupone | and how detecting ping missers ? |
| 18:35.34 | RatOmeter | kept that as-is. as I see it, lagavg as calc'd by updatePingLag is the one used to kick, display that value |
| 18:37.26 | Tupone | ok, but I think missing ping should be highlight. Different color may be |
| 18:37.59 | trepan | no can do colors with current setup |
| 18:38.21 | Tupone | :( |
| 18:39.08 | trepan | protection against annoying server operators, could be removed easily enough |
| 18:39.48 | RatOmeter | I think someone mentioned wanting to color-code the lagstats display by team... maybe it could be worked into that change? |
| 18:40.26 | trepan | i think that could have been me :) |
| 18:40.44 | trepan | Chestal's talking about changing the lagstats transfer style, could be done then |
| 18:41.11 | trepan | if we took out the ANSI stripping client side, 2.0.4 client would get to see colors in /lagstats |
| 18:41.15 | Tupone | ok, so now, just display the lagavg. Next branch will change color |
| 18:41.25 | Tupone | ? |
| 18:41.47 | RatOmeter | sounds groovy to me |
| 18:42.02 | Tupone | I'm too busy to try changing authentication + ban |
| 18:47.44 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: Ghost logic belong to addPlayer |
| 18:50.19 | Tupone | Dev C++ ? Why not just Mingw+MSYS . I think is far more supported by us (us -> DTRemenak) |
| 18:51.28 | RatOmeter | Hmmm. OK |
| 18:53.13 | RatOmeter | well, I'm using Cygwin right now. I suppose, assuming I've got all the right libraries, I should be good to go? |
| 18:53.59 | Tupone | cygwin use posix emulation. Better mingw+msys |
| 18:54.06 | Tupone | look at readme.mingw |
| 18:56.11 | RatOmeter | Ah, enlightenment. |
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| 19:09.21 | SportyGal | s/badmove/baddmove |
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| 19:10.49 | S1gn | hi |
| 19:11.07 | Tupone | hi |
| 19:11.40 | S1gn | what is rainspeed min/max? |
| 19:13.12 | S1gn | tried different numbers, couldn't understand, seems have no effect |
| 19:14.26 | Tupone | what have you tried ? /set command ? |
| 19:15.39 | S1gn | F2 in bzadmin -> Edit server variables |
| 19:15.48 | SportyGal | http://www.msxnet.org/humour/girls-are-evil.jpg |
| 19:15.57 | blast007 | S1gn: is there any rain at all? |
| 19:16.06 | S1gn | yes |
| 19:16.12 | blast007 | k |
| 19:16.51 | S1gn | there are _rainspeed and _rainspeedmod variables |
| 19:17.58 | Tupone | _rainSpeed and _rainSpeedMod ... dunno if case do |
| 19:20.44 | S1gn | yes, exactly. but anyway it was menu driven editor |
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| 19:23.15 | S1gn | digging in sources |
| 19:24.42 | blast007 | ah, I think it takes a while for the change to take effect |
| 19:24.56 | blast007 | the rain drops don't change direction in mid air |
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| 19:25.39 | orange | SportyGal: interesting proof, but I question the first assumption |
| 19:25.51 | orange | girls require time and money doesn't seem to translate to: girls=time*money |
| 19:26.04 | ToughShooter | yeah, should be time + money |
| 19:26.11 | orange | however the conclusion is valid |
| 19:27.01 | blast007 | the longer the time period, the more money that is spent, so the *'s makes sense |
| 19:27.19 | blast007 | it's like: distance = time * velocity |
| 19:27.48 | orange | hmmm, that's pretty tenuous |
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| 19:28.41 | ToughShooter | If you're going to say it would only be true in long term then a "=" would be wrong, too. |
| 19:30.21 | trepan | SportyGal: you been talkin' with mikee? :) |
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| 19:39.34 | SportyGal | trepan: mike? |
| 19:40.09 | SportyGal | orange: hey, I didn't say it was TRUE - just humorous |
| 19:40.59 | DTRemenak | SportyGal, mikeeusa - the "Down with Women's Rights!!" fellow |
| 19:41.43 | SportyGal | DTRemenak: not that I'm aware of. Mikeeusa=baddmove? |
| 19:41.49 | DTRemenak | nope |
| 19:42.29 | SportyGal | then no, not talking to mike |
| 19:42.35 | SportyGal | (at least, not knowingly) |
| 19:51.02 | JeffM2501 | badmove is just another older jerk |
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| 19:51.31 | JeffM2501 | SportyGal, I told him to take his problems up with your server in private, if he posts about it again publicly, let me know and he will be taken care of |
| 19:52.45 | SportyGal | JeffM2501: no problem. I pm'ed him with specific information about the history (basically, our admins warned, kicked, banned). He responded to me that he was really a nice guy, yet at the same time, he sent an email to our mailing list that was very rude & offensive, berating the admin. I deleted the email rather than allowing it to pass through. |
| 19:53.02 | JeffM2501 | yeah he plays people |
| 19:53.06 | JeffM2501 | and has a temper |
| 19:53.25 | JeffM2501 | we've had to warn him and stuff on bzbb before as well |
| 19:53.41 | SportyGal | k, thanks for the heads up |
| 19:54.06 | ruskie | SportyGal, archive it as proof :) |
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| 20:08.10 | ibunny | hi |
| 20:08.29 | Tupone | ohi alex <3 |
| 20:08.45 | ibunny | hi tupo |
| 20:09.04 | Tupone | no <3 for me :_( |
| 20:09.22 | ibunny | tupo tupito luv |
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| 20:57.22 | SportyGal | Has this ever been discussed before: For the issue of spawn kills, I have a possible solution, if there |
| 20:57.22 | SportyGal | are any bzflag developers on this list (I don't have the time to do |
| 20:57.22 | SportyGal | it myself); I'd like to see newly spawned tanks be invulnerable |
| 20:57.22 | SportyGal | after spawning, the invulnerability lasting until, a) either 2-3 |
| 20:57.22 | SportyGal | seconds passes, or b) they shoot a bullet themselves. The amount of |
| 20:57.23 | SportyGal | time should be a server setting, of course. I think that this would |
| 20:57.25 | SportyGal | fix the issue of spawning right in front of or on a bullet, and |
| 20:57.27 | SportyGal | allow someone to get some bearings before being immediately wiped |
| 20:57.29 | SportyGal | out. It may give a newly spawned tank a slight edge if they spawn |
| 20:57.31 | SportyGal | right behind someone, but I don't think it'd be that big a |
| 20:57.33 | SportyGal | difference, and certainly not something that you would do something |
| 20:57.37 | SportyGal | different to take advantage of. |
| 20:57.41 | SportyGal | ugh - soooo sorry |
| 20:58.13 | ruskie | nice idea |
| 20:58.20 | ruskie | maybe N seconds delay |
| 20:58.49 | ruskie | anyway off to bed |
| 21:01.19 | TimRiker | SportyGal: it's been discussed. nothing done on it yet. invulnerable till you shoot is a Bad Thing. then your first kill would be free. |
| 21:02.05 | TimRiker | well, in your version they'd only have a couple seconds to do the free kill, but still. |
| 21:02.21 | TimRiker | if they can't be shot, then they should not be able to shoot. |
| 21:02.57 | koalabear | Yes, nothing better than a free feed :) Hi all |
| 21:03.08 | TimRiker | there are other issues though, in CTF position is important, so they would get a sliver of advantage in moving towards a flag etc. |
| 21:03.58 | TimRiker | the currect is not ideal. I suspect the first improvement would be to change the placement code in the server. |
| 21:04.07 | TimRiker | er "current" |
| 21:05.38 | Tupone | when one tank join the first time, old shot are not resent at him ... only flag and tank status ... hmm |
| 21:06.10 | Tupone | for long lived shot this is a problem |
| 21:08.08 | trepan | can't shoot and can't be shot for 0.N secs, with transitional effect and Reloading indicator? |
| 21:08.17 | trepan | protocol breaker... |
| 21:09.22 | Tupone | Growing tank ... how log the effect is? Has it been removed ? |
| 21:11.40 | Tupone | s/log/long/ |
| 21:12.02 | trepan | it's' still there, but it's weak |
| 21:12.27 | Grumbler | spawn after capture is a problem, or annoyance, the SW world weapon is a nice correction when implemented correctly |
| 21:12.42 | Grumbler | spawn kill that is |
| 21:13.02 | trepan | couple it with a cloaking effect, or a wireframe->solid effect, and it'd look nice |
| 21:13.06 | Grumbler | general spawn seems to be better |
| 21:13.55 | Grumbler | i have noticed that spawn after dying with say a GM flag that gets reset on death ........the flag and your tank spawn in close proximity |
| 21:14.26 | trepan | or we can all just live with the fact the sometimes you draw the short straw |
| 21:14.57 | Grumbler | heh |
| 21:15.21 | Tupone | Shot will be at server ... next x version. Live with how it is until that time arrive |
| 21:15.44 | Grumbler | yep |
| 21:15.49 | Tupone | x != 10 . I mean not Roman |
| 21:30.04 | RatOmeter | ookay. I done got me MSYS and MinGW32. Did "sh autogen.sh" - no problem. When I did "./configure", it barfed saying "C compiler cannot create executables" |
| 21:30.23 | RatOmeter | any off-the-top-of-the-head ideas or do I keep digging? |
| 21:30.34 | Tupone | DTRemenak: ping |
| 21:30.58 | Tupone | RatOmeter: gcc works? |
| 21:31.33 | RatOmeter | checking gcc... |
| 21:31.45 | DTRemenak | Tupone, pong |
| 21:31.52 | Tupone | RatOmeter: needs help |
| 21:32.00 | Tupone | s/:// |
| 21:34.10 | RatOmeter | yes, compiled that rand.c example from yesterday |
| 21:34.21 | RatOmeter | works find |
| 21:34.24 | RatOmeter | fine, even |
| 21:34.50 | Tupone | DTRemenak: can you help RatOmeter to get MingW/MSYS working |
| 21:34.54 | DTRemenak | Tupone, yup |
| 21:35.01 | DTRemenak | well I mean I can try :) |
| 21:35.04 | RatOmeter | heh |
| 21:35.42 | DTRemenak | RatOmeter, anything interesting in config.log? |
| 21:36.09 | RatOmeter | lotsa stuff, still looking for anything that interests me... |
| 21:36.20 | Tupone | I bet is a cygwin/mingw incompatibility |
| 21:36.32 | Tupone | having both is a problem IIRC |
| 21:36.41 | DTRemenak | Tupone, I have both installed |
| 21:36.52 | RatOmeter | hmmm, cygwin shouldn't be an issue here, I think |
| 21:36.54 | DTRemenak | RatOmeter, what about the couple lines after "checking whether the C compiler works" |
| 21:36.55 | Tupone | ahh ok :/ I stay mute |
| 21:37.14 | DTRemenak | Tupone, as long as your path from one doesn't pick up the executables from the other (!) |
| 21:37.34 | blast007 | http://www.mingw.org/mingwfaq.shtml#faq-usingwithcygwin |
| 21:38.12 | RatOmeter | right, I orig had that problem with "make" from Borland BCC55. I rearranged my path for glad happiness |
| 21:39.33 | RatOmeter | log shows problems after "checking for C compiler default output" |
| 21:39.36 | RatOmeter | will post log file |
| 21:40.14 | RatOmeter | http://139.78.95.188/config.log |
| 21:41.05 | RatOmeter | guess it didn't like it because its test compile failed for syntax errors |
| 21:41.19 | RatOmeter | etc |
| 21:42.42 | RatOmeter | where the heck is conftest.c? |
| 21:43.02 | Tupone | where it was you mean? Built by configure and removed |
| 21:43.05 | DTRemenak | it doesn't exist |
| 21:43.17 | bryjen | look below all the error |
| 21:43.35 | bryjen | #define VERSION "/* bzflag |
| 21:43.43 | bryjen | missing a " and a newline |
| 21:44.50 | DTRemenak | RatOmeter, you're sure you are using unix-newline sources? |
| 21:44.54 | RatOmeter | sheese |
| 21:45.13 | RatOmeter | Think so, let me verify with trusty notepad |
| 21:46.08 | RatOmeter | yikes, no I'm not. bungle the cvs pull |
| 21:46.13 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 21:46.26 | DTRemenak | odd that sed didn't error first |
| 21:47.08 | RatOmeter | I know the tarball version I'd downloaded prior was unix LF, I'll copy that over the cvs vers right quick |
| 21:50.25 | bryjen | yuk. it pulled in all of buildDate.cxx. Repeatedly! |
| 21:50.38 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 21:50.58 | DTRemenak | RatOmeter, out of curiosity, what were the first couple lines of output when you ran ./configure? |
| 21:51.55 | RatOmeter | checking whether to enable maintainer....: no |
| 21:52.10 | RatOmeter | checking for sed... /bin/sed |
| 21:52.51 | DTRemenak | huh. guess it just failed silently then. |
| 21:53.19 | DTRemenak | first line should always be something like "BZFlag-2.0.3.20050720" |
| 21:53.50 | RatOmeter | interesting |
| 21:54.18 | RatOmeter | well, I copied the correct format files, 'sh autogen.sh' = OK, /configure = didn't go as far as last time, but said libcurl wasn't installed (not sure I did that right). |
| 21:54.47 | RatOmeter | however, I must go home now to cook dinner, will resume tomorrow |
| 21:54.57 | RatOmeter | thanks for all the assistance |
| 21:55.04 | Tupone | you need curl ... |
| 21:55.18 | Tupone | get that and tomorrow we'll see |
| 21:55.37 | RatOmeter | actually, I need more detailed installation instructions for curl. I must have bungled that too |
| 21:55.49 | *** part/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@63.147.94.151) |
| 21:56.40 | blast007 | also seems they only have the SSL devel package for mingw on the curl site |
| 21:56.57 | Tupone | you mean .. not the c-ares ? |
| 21:57.08 | Tupone | or that ssl is too much? |
| 21:58.03 | blast007 | that ssl isn't needed |
| 21:58.06 | DTRemenak | RatOmeter, best way is to build it yourself |
| 21:58.24 | DTRemenak | "./configure && make install" should make everything work hunky-dory |
| 21:58.24 | RatOmeter | that's what I did |
| 21:58.35 | RatOmeter | but not that |
| 21:58.46 | DTRemenak | what did you do, then? |
| 21:58.48 | RatOmeter | anyway, tomorrow! thanks again |
| 21:58.56 | DTRemenak | yup |
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| 22:17.47 | RatOmeter2 | Hurray! I don't have to cook today. So I'm gonna see I can get done in the few min. before my wife gets home... |
| 22:18.11 | RatOmeter2 | Which shuold I install first, MSYS or WinGW or does it matter? |
| 22:19.07 | Pimpi | too late |
| 22:19.19 | RatOmeter2 | dang, another one down |
| 22:19.32 | Pimpi | what is MSYS? |
| 22:20.03 | RatOmeter2 | them POXIS type thingies for Win32 |
| 22:20.52 | Pimpi | POSIX? |
| 22:21.02 | Tupone | MSYS is an environment to get building tools work under mingw32 |
| 22:21.09 | Tupone | unix building tool |
| 22:21.18 | RatOmeter2 | yes, trying to type faster than I think |
| 22:21.26 | Tupone | like shell, automake, autoconf ... |
| 22:21.29 | Tupone | make too |
| 22:22.00 | RatOmeter2 | yes, and I guess my earlier comment is more appropriate to Cygwin |
| 22:22.00 | Tupone | mingw is a suite to build program for windows |
| 22:22.08 | Tupone | yeah |
| 22:22.51 | Tupone | mingw is composed mainly by gcc , binutils, header and library |
| 22:24.45 | Pimpi | atually not sure what that is at all |
| 22:25.41 | RatOmeter2 | that the same as "terminal services"? |
| 22:26.13 | RatOmeter2 | whichever, don't think it includes devtools |
| 22:26.14 | Pimpi | http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserversystem/sfu/productinfo/default.mspx |
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| 22:28.13 | Pimpi | Windows Services for UNIX 3.5 also includes more than 300 UNIX utilities and tools that behave as they would on UNIX systems, plus a software development kit (SDK) that supports more than 1,900 UNIX APIs and migration tools, including make, rcs, yacc, lex, cc, c89, nm, strip, gbd, as well as the gcc, g++, and g77 compilers. |
| 22:44.59 | Tupone | eek, they distribute gcc ? |
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| 23:25.36 | Grumbler | well, they had to get something from SCO |
| 23:27.38 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/platform/DXJoystick.cxx: actually check to see if the stick supports FF before trying to play an effect on it |
| 23:27.54 | DTRemenak | grrr...now I have to reboot to build it |
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| 23:35.58 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/ (3 files in 2 dirs): added /roampos command |
| 23:36.42 | trepan | ain't as cool as map cameras, but it's still useful |
| 23:38.52 | DTRemenak | nifty |
| 23:40.10 | trepan | the 'degrees' setup is a bit odd... |
| 23:40.55 | DTRemenak | yeah, I was actually just looking at that and trying to figure out how it would work |
| 23:41.50 | trepan | i was going to do ne,nw,se,sw,n,s,e,w, but then i went with the more general approach |
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| 23:44.59 | DTRemenak | looked very odd to me to have a single parameter :) |
| 23:45.10 | DTRemenak | can see how it would be useful though |
| 23:45.45 | trepan | yup, but it's quick for doing for comparitive tests |
| 23:46.28 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 23:49.02 | trepan | might be nice to reroute the quick-keys to allow local parsing |
| 23:51.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/CommandsImplementation.cxx: casts and constants and headers, oh my! |
