| 00:01.39 | brlcad | amathis: how about going hog wild with bzflag.bz? :) |
| 00:06.35 | amathis | brlcad: well, it isn't just a design, it was a very fast, easy way of showing all server / player stats etc.. in one page |
| 00:06.53 | amathis | it had a style along with it though |
| 00:08.41 | brlcad | i mean doing whatever you want with the site, mirror stats if you like -- I don't care -- I'm not going to get to it anytime soon so might as well let someone else put it to good use |
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| 00:09.14 | brlcad | offer goes for almost anyone else listening too |
| 00:15.24 | amathis | hmm |
| 00:15.30 | amathis | can you do server stats on a different server? |
| 00:16.07 | blast007 | amathis: I had run one on my local computer |
| 00:16.21 | blast007 | it didn't feed off the same database though |
| 00:16.24 | brlcad | one of the primary intents of that server is to serve as a failover backup or live mirror or synchronized robin replier |
| 00:16.29 | blast007 | so I ran my own update script |
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| 00:17.00 | bz6348 | ~bzfquery angel-one.cjb.net |
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| 00:17.38 | brlcad | would be good to set up the entire listserver and stats system, so that folks could get started on getting them negotiating updates with sbo |
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| 00:18.59 | blast007 | would it be the same stats system? |
| 00:19.26 | blast007 | (mainly I'm thinking that would allow easy mirroring) |
| 00:19.30 | brlcad | it could be the same |
| 00:20.08 | brlcad | like I said, the intent is to serve as a live backup for when the primary fails (both on a stats and list server level) |
| 00:20.22 | blast007 | what would be cool is if the stats site had a login system like the old s.b.o site, but this time tied with global registration |
| 00:20.35 | brlcad | this can be done in many many ways, getting the existing running would be a simple first step |
| 00:20.42 | blast007 | yup |
| 00:20.49 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: who's working on www.b.o? |
| 00:21.05 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: Saturos is working on a design for it |
| 00:21.39 | TimRiker | which includes the wiki? |
| 00:21.48 | DTRemenak | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4152 |
| 00:22.04 | DTRemenak | yes, I believe so...he wanted help integrating the wiki though |
| 00:22.20 | blast007 | DTRemenak: that link doesn't work ;) |
| 00:22.28 | DTRemenak | blast007: not for you ;) |
| 00:22.39 | blast007 | ah |
| 00:22.42 | blast007 | hehe |
| 00:22.53 | TimRiker | I have a strong dislike for web sites that force me to only use a narrow band of by browser window. |
| 00:23.05 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: tell him so :) |
| 00:23.24 | TimRiker | http://bzorg.saturos.de/ |
| 00:23.43 | TimRiker | Saturos: I have a strong dislike for web sites that force me to only use a narrow band of by browser window. |
| 00:24.09 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:24.15 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 00:25.44 | brlcad | heh, my lil tank |
| 00:29.55 | blast007 | in order to make that page vary in width, Saturos could split the header logo into two files |
| 00:30.33 | blast007 | one would be the grass, which could repeat along the x axis, and one would be everything in front, which could be left aligned |
| 00:32.22 | brlcad | I did these up a long time ago, any thoughts? |
| 00:32.25 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/images/prototype10.jpg |
| 00:32.58 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/images/prototype9.jpg |
| 00:33.12 | brlcad | http://bzflag.bz/images/prototypemulti.jpg |
| 00:34.21 | wegstar | hmm |
| 00:34.38 | brlcad | basically, it could be made themeable per section or per user, and it's expandable to any size |
| 00:35.03 | TimRiker | brlcad: kinda cool. makes me think that the menu text should be at an angle too. ;-) |
| 00:35.16 | brlcad | with the exception of the bzflag name itself, everything is actually using a bzflag resource/texture |
| 00:35.25 | blast007 | are those a fixed height? |
| 00:35.40 | blast007 | oh wait, nvm |
| 00:35.46 | blast007 | just read your comment ;) |
| 00:35.48 | brlcad | TimRiker: I thought that too .. though that would make the menu an image, whereas as it is could be plain text |
| 00:36.29 | brlcad | open content area too, so you can just slap whatever one wants in |
| 00:37.25 | blast007 | hehehe |
| 00:37.48 | blast007 | it's good enough that it _looks_ like a screenshot, though |
| 00:39.27 | brlcad | thanks |
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| 01:41.48 | menotume | is kinda nasty when you use 1280x1024 or higher resoltion |
| 01:43.28 | menotume | brlcad's look great - but nasty on 800x600 or less :) |
| 01:45.04 | menotume | well, if youhave multiple browser windows open, don't want to use whole screen :) |
| 01:45.10 | DTRemenak | blast007: what about pdas? or small windows? |
| 01:45.17 | blast007 | I suppose |
| 01:45.20 | menotume | but, 640 should be a safe width assumtion |
| 01:45.34 | blast007 | DTRemenak: ah, yeah, wasn't thinking about that |
| 01:46.17 | DTRemenak | people need to get out of the mindset that pc's are the only things that ever get on the internet ;) |
| 01:46.38 | blast007 | but in any case, couldn't we make several themes, which could be selected by the user? |
| 01:47.00 | DTRemenak | could, yup |
| 01:48.45 | menotume | HTML was made to be dynamic width, DHTML has borked that IMO |
| 01:49.14 | blast007 | there's no reason you can't do dynamic widths with HTML/CSS |
| 01:49.16 | menotume | well, sort of |
| 01:49.20 | blast007 | it just takes a little more planning |
| 01:49.23 | menotume | agreed |
| 01:49.26 | DTRemenak | html is supposed to be structural markup, not stylistic |
| 01:49.44 | menotume | images (banners, etc) are trickier too |
| 01:50.01 | DTRemenak | css is supposed to allow html to remain structural, while adding the capability to style to particular platforms (e.g. pc, print, etc) |
| 01:50.13 | DTRemenak | course you need to use it right to let that work |
| 01:54.26 | Grumbler | the saturos stuff has class |
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| 02:50.38 | option | hiya! |
| 02:51.02 | option | I hope its a good option. :) |
| 02:51.48 | DTRemenak | I select koala as the option. Is that a good one? |
| 02:51.52 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:52.48 | option | Here is a strange thing my 56k modem gives a better ping reply from a bzflag sever than my adsl 256k modem, even though the cable modem downloads at a must faster rate. |
| 02:52.53 | option | Yeah koala is good. |
| 02:53.05 | option | I have a thing for stuffed koala bears. |
| 02:53.14 | option | ^_^ |
| 02:53.18 | DTRemenak | :) |
| 02:53.58 | DTRemenak | ping measures latency not bandwidth |
| 02:54.05 | blast007 | hmm, so is it adsl, or cable? |
| 02:54.17 | DTRemenak | although to have a highly latent adsl connection would be odd indeed |
| 02:54.18 | option | adsl, no cable hre. |
| 02:54.34 | DTRemenak | what kind of numbers are you talking about? |
| 02:55.18 | option | ok it starts off around 200 and then it sits on 464, and like right on 464 not moving. |
| 02:55.33 | option | and this is with a adsl modem. :( |
| 02:55.36 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's abnormally high |
| 02:55.58 | option | I know, but I have noted that my route on my system is very slow, I have to gates |
| 02:56.21 | option | one that point to localhost, and of course the other one that points to the router. |
| 02:56.33 | option | I wonder if that is one of the problems. |
| 02:56.52 | DTRemenak | do a traceroute, it will tell you where your biggest lag is coming from |
| 02:56.55 | blast007 | could you run a traceroute to the bzflag server and see where the slowdown occurs? |
| 02:56.59 | blast007 | er, heh |
| 02:57.07 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:57.15 | option | well I pinged here, and it goes 0.33 |
| 02:57.19 | option | is that a good number? |
| 02:57.38 | DTRemenak | who did you ping? |
| 02:57.48 | option | just the server. |
| 02:58.33 | DTRemenak | it's 330 ms. typical for dialup |
| 02:58.56 | DTRemenak | irc ping from me to chanserv takes 0.05s (50ms) |
| 02:58.59 | option | that my ping. |
| 02:59.28 | option | the strang thing is it really is fast. |
| 02:59.47 | blast007 | as DTRemenak said, speed != latency |
| 03:00.01 | DTRemenak | a third of a second isn't much...and on dsl you can get plenty of bandwidth even with high latency |
| 03:00.03 | blast007 | a good example of that is getting the internet over a dish ;) |
| 03:00.03 | option | I have gentoo |
| 03:00.08 | DTRemenak | satellite is the most severe example |
| 03:00.18 | blast007 | yup |
| 03:00.23 | option | and the most expensive I believe. |
| 03:00.25 | blast007 | hehe |
| 03:01.04 | DTRemenak | you get lag of like 1000 or 1500 ms, but bandwidth around 2mbps |
| 03:01.04 | option | I wonder if playing with my tcp vaules might help a bit |
| 03:01.22 | DTRemenak | it might, depending on your local and upstream router settings |
| 03:01.22 | option | Oh no, that woudn;'t be good for bzflag. |
| 03:01.34 | DTRemenak | no, can't play games over satellite :) |
| 03:01.52 | DTRemenak | not realtime games anyway |
| 03:01.53 | blast007 | except checkers |
| 03:01.56 | blast007 | ;) |
| 03:01.56 | DTRemenak | suppose chess would work |
| 03:02.07 | option | yes, I have noted, if I type /sbin/route, it takes almost 2 seconds to respond |
| 03:02.24 | option | and on my other linux systems, it is instant. |
| 03:03.01 | option | I also have a 4 port router, which I have not setup properly, maybe. |
| 03:06.04 | option | I think I have something not setup right here. |
| 03:06.12 | DTRemenak | that sounds likely :) |
| 03:06.16 | option | geeze all I want to do is play bzflag. |
| 03:06.20 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:06.43 | DTRemenak | start with a traceroute |
| 03:06.57 | CatsPaw | it could be timeing out on the first route to localhost |
| 03:07.08 | CatsPaw | you should only have 1 route |
| 03:07.19 | CatsPaw | unless its a router |
| 03:07.19 | option | Yes, i Just pinged my router and it didnt' even reply |
| 03:07.32 | DTRemenak | many routers are set up to not respond to pings |
| 03:07.49 | CatsPaw | ya, sounds like its trying the local route and timeing out |
| 03:08.15 | option | Yes, I also noticed that if one computer is downloading, the router, will only lets one computer download at a time. |
| 03:08.27 | CatsPaw | hummm |
| 03:08.28 | option | should localhost be a gate, |
| 03:08.31 | CatsPaw | no |
| 03:08.51 | option | well it is on this computer, and that would be slowing things down |
| 03:08.53 | CatsPaw | only whatever you are useing to access the outside |
| 03:09.00 | CatsPaw | yes |
| 03:09.16 | CatsPaw | like youe 4 port router |
| 03:09.18 | option | I have gentoo, do you know how I change it to juts host |
| 03:09.35 | CatsPaw | let me think. i have gentoo as well |
| 03:09.36 | option | I have a 4 port switch/adsl modem thing. |
| 03:12.49 | CatsPaw | edit /etc/conf.d/net |
| 03:13.00 | CatsPaw | the route will be at the end of the file |
| 03:13.15 | CatsPaw | comment out any local routes |
| 03:13.41 | option | Thanks I will try that, and what is the command to restart the network.... network --restart? |
| 03:14.16 | CatsPaw | then restart networking with ifconfig eth0 down |
| 03:14.22 | CatsPaw | then restart networking with ifconfig eth0 up |
| 03:14.35 | option | I will give that a try. should I use dhpc |
| 03:14.49 | CatsPaw | not if you use static ip |
| 03:15.10 | option | well the router does all the connection stuff. |
| 03:15.16 | CatsPaw | ahh |
| 03:15.25 | CatsPaw | then you do want dhcp |
| 03:15.31 | option | not really |
| 03:15.56 | CatsPaw | did you supply an ip address manualy for your computer? |
| 03:16.12 | CatsPaw | or does it get one from your router? |
| 03:16.33 | option | yes I set it up so the router supplies it. |
| 03:16.51 | option | I can log into the router and change settings. |
| 03:16.56 | CatsPaw | then your computer should be setup to use dhcp |
| 03:17.23 | option | Yes it is at the moment. |
| 03:17.27 | CatsPaw | ok |
| 03:17.37 | blast007 | my router let's me start the dynamic IP's at a certain value, like 192.168.0.25, so I can have static IP's from 192.168.0.2 to 192.168.0.24 |
| 03:17.50 | option | yes same here |
| 03:18.02 | CatsPaw | i use static ip on my lan |
| 03:18.10 | CatsPaw | and i have a dns server |
| 03:18.26 | option | I think I will do the same, cause dhpc caues some problems with domain name |
| 03:19.36 | bryjen | static is simpler. dhcp is nice for when you've got more than a few devices |
| 03:19.43 | CatsPaw | i have the route on my computers pointing to my router. |
| 03:20.06 | option | yes I have 3 so I think I will use static, less problems, and I like to be in control :) |
| 03:20.22 | CatsPaw | dhcp is nice if you connect a laptop to more than one lan |
| 03:20.37 | blast007 | CatsPaw: yup, that's what I do for my laptop :) |
| 03:23.06 | option | darn router wont let mine login. :( I wanna whack it! |
| 03:25.51 | option | what I will do is stick to static ips to the router, and drop the gate option from localhost, I wonder why localhost was a gate anyway. I didn't set it up that way. |
| 03:27.47 | CatsPaw | duno |
| 03:29.02 | option | I guess it's a gentoo thing. |
| 03:29.16 | CatsPaw | it shouldn't be |
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| 03:29.42 | option | CatsPaw, what about nat to 1 on nat to many which one would you pick? |
| 03:29.43 | CatsPaw | i have used gentoo for almost 2 years |
| 03:29.59 | option | I love gentoo. |
| 03:30.11 | option | but I have only been using it for a week |
| 03:30.36 | CatsPaw | its a pain to setup, but once its done its rock solid |
| 03:30.50 | option | I have used slackware and mandrake and redhat, and a few others, but gentoo is great, I love how it gives you control. :) |
| 03:31.06 | CatsPaw | i hate rpm |
| 03:31.11 | option | Me too |
| 03:31.21 | option | emerge is awesome |
| 03:31.25 | option | so easy |
| 03:31.27 | CatsPaw | portage is what linux should have had long ago |
| 03:31.46 | CatsPaw | its a nice cross between Linux and BSD |
| 03:31.47 | option | *nods* |
| 03:32.10 | option | CatsPaw, how do you backup your system? |
| 03:32.25 | CatsPaw | i just tar to another computer right now |
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| 03:32.53 | CatsPaw | i moved resently, so i dont have everything setup yet |
| 03:32.56 | option | I have another computer with a 8gig scsi tape drive. |
| 03:33.08 | option | but I have not tried to back it up yeat. |
| 03:33.14 | CatsPaw | i have a tape drive, but no tape |
| 03:33.18 | bryjen | are you talking about an entry like this? |
| 03:33.20 | bryjen | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags MSS Window irtt Iface |
| 03:33.22 | bryjen | 127.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.0.0.0 U 0 0 0 lo |
| 03:33.42 | option | mine looks different |
| 03:34.07 | CatsPaw | what does your's look like option |
| 03:34.24 | option | loopback localhost 255.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 lo |
| 03:34.36 | CatsPaw | thats ok |
| 03:34.48 | option | but I dont want UG |
| 03:34.48 | CatsPaw | thats the nic's loopback |
| 03:34.58 | CatsPaw | i have it on mine |
| 03:35.02 | bryjen | try it with -n to get the numerics |
| 03:35.07 | option | really |
| 03:35.37 | CatsPaw | 127.0.0.1 is the nic loopback |
| 03:36.19 | option | my first line is 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 03:36.41 | CatsPaw | is that the ip of the router? |
| 03:36.51 | option | then 127.0.0.0 127.0.0.1 255.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 lo |
| 03:37.02 | CatsPaw | lo is loopback |
| 03:37.02 | option | 192.168.1.254 |
| 03:37.07 | option | yes I know |
| 03:37.07 | bryjen | ugh, that's not right |
| 03:37.15 | bryjen | or maybe |
| 03:37.50 | CatsPaw | thats why i prefer static ip |
| 03:38.01 | CatsPaw | you know what you have |
| 03:38.12 | option | that's true. |
| 03:38.23 | option | I just setup the router to use static lan |
| 03:38.25 | CatsPaw | can you ping your router |
| 03:38.32 | CatsPaw | ahh |
| 03:38.38 | bryjen | it setting the loopback interface's route up different. donno if its really wrong though |
| 03:38.41 | CatsPaw | what is its ip address |
| 03:38.57 | bryjen | each iface should have an entry associating its subnet with it |
| 03:39.27 | Jman25 | can some1 help me |
| 03:39.45 | Jman25 | i'm trying to set up a server |
| 03:40.05 | Jman25 | i think i have most of it done sort of |
| 03:40.48 | Jman25 | any1? |
| 03:40.59 | bryjen | what's going wrong? |
| 03:41.26 | Jman25 | how do u login with a password |
| 03:42.13 | bryjen | did you specify a password when you started the server? or are you trying to use an account registered on the bb? |
| 03:42.32 | Jman25 | yes |
| 03:42.39 | Jman25 | what do u mean by bb |
| 03:42.46 | CatsPaw | option, 192.168.1.0 should be the network address. the router should use 192.168.0.1 etc |
| 03:42.51 | bryjen | http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ |
| 03:42.59 | Jman25 | oh |
| 03:43.14 | bryjen | but you used "-password something" in setting up bzfs? |
| 03:43.34 | CatsPaw | 192.168.1.255 is the broadcast address |
| 03:43.35 | Jman25 | i dont know |
| 03:43.35 | option | thanks CatsPaw I'm fixing it now... or trying too ^_^ |
| 03:43.41 | bryjen | oops, -passwd |
| 03:44.19 | Jman25 | i used the web config format that came with the bzflag prgram |
| 03:44.43 | Jman25 | an easy layout in an internet browser |
| 03:45.34 | bryjen | yeah, and then copy-and-pasted it text it made into a file, and ran bzfs -conf theFile.txt ... |
| 03:46.22 | Jman25 | yeah and then i tried running in command prompt and that's where i got lost |
| 03:46.49 | brlcad | menotume: the template's not static-sized, i.e. it's designed so that it will expand to fill if so desired using a min compress of 700 or so iirc |
| 03:47.45 | brlcad | scaling upwards to whatever for the most part too |
| 03:47.49 | bryjen | Jman25: on Windows? |
| 03:47.57 | Jman25 | yes |
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| 03:51.04 | bryjen | heh, who needs a flag. its a tank after all... |
| 03:51.14 | Jman25 | bryjen are u there |
| 03:51.20 | bryjen | yeah |
| 03:51.23 | option | :) |
| 03:51.29 | Jman25 | well |
| 03:51.42 | brlcad | that it is :) |
| 03:52.15 | Jman25 | do u think u could talk me through on how to run a server |
| 03:52.42 | bryjen | any windows person remember what the name of the program dir is on your platform? |
| 03:52.54 | bryjen | c:\program files\bz.... |
| 03:52.56 | JeffM2501 | step 1) read the post on the forums that has step by step |
| 03:52.58 | learner | Program Files? |
| 03:53.07 | learner | progra~1 ;) |
| 03:53.24 | bryjen | use quotes "\program files\" |
| 03:53.37 | bryjen | case doesn't matter tho |
| 03:54.05 | Jman25 | am i supposed to be putting this in the command prompt |
| 03:55.43 | JeffM2501 | the windows step by step is in that post |
| 03:55.48 | JeffM2501 | with exactly where to put stuff |
| 03:55.52 | JeffM2501 | really |
| 03:56.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzeditw32/BZEdit32/ (BZEdit32View.cpp ElementListDlog.cpp): don't leak CDialogs when deleting objects with the keyboard |
| 03:56.13 | bryjen | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2915 |
| 03:56.20 | JeffM2501 | that's the one |
| 03:56.43 | JeffM2501 | even has a config! |
| 03:57.21 | Jman25 | will that take me step by step? |
| 03:57.21 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 03:57.37 | JeffM2501 | that would be what the steps are fore |
| 03:57.42 | blast007 | Jman25: that's typically what "step by step" means :/ |
| 03:57.46 | JeffM2501 | Jman25, read the post and see |
| 03:58.07 | Jman25 | thanks |
| 03:58.20 | Jman25 | ill come bak if i have any questions |
| 03:58.30 | blast007 | k |
| 04:00.19 | bryjen | somebody should make a gui for bzfs for those people ;) |
| 04:00.29 | JeffM2501 | I did once |
| 04:00.32 | JeffM2501 | it was rejected |
| 04:01.02 | DTRemenak | I did too |
| 04:01.09 | DTRemenak | bzfsgui.sf.net |
| 04:01.23 | JeffM2501 | mine was actualy part of the server exe :) |
| 04:01.33 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's prolly why it was rejected :) |
| 04:01.43 | JeffM2501 | I did an external one too |
| 04:01.46 | DTRemenak | heh, didn't even notice :) |
| 04:01.52 | JeffM2501 | it ran like CLI if it had CLI paramaters |
| 04:01.57 | JeffM2501 | if not, it did a dialog |
| 04:02.21 | JeffM2501 | I didn't think CRS tought there would be people like that tho |
| 04:03.47 | bryjen | the in-client start server page should probly be sufficient for simple setups for them |
| 04:04.27 | bryjen | the problem is they want to tweak all the knobs and be a s00p3r-l33t admin of a public server |
| 04:04.41 | DTRemenak | you can't leave the server running without the client that way either |
| 04:05.11 | bryjen | true, but do they really need to on their home DSL/cable ? |
| 04:05.34 | DTRemenak | s/need/want, yes |
| 04:05.48 | *** part/#bzflag orchid (~bzgirl@orchid.user) |
| 04:06.32 | DTRemenak | so why do we even distribute the windows server then? |
| 04:07.10 | bryjen | maybe i'm being a bit elitist myself :/ |
| 04:07.33 | DTRemenak | heh, 'a bit' |
| 04:07.53 | bryjen | :( |
| 04:09.03 | DTRemenak | and what about people who just want to test thier maps? |
| 04:09.11 | DTRemenak | or people who want to run lan servers? |
| 04:09.27 | DTRemenak | there are any number of good reasons to make server setup easy |
| 04:09.27 | JeffM2501 | or people who want to use that in game interface :) |
| 04:09.33 | bryjen | the menu in the client lets you specify a map |
| 04:09.58 | DTRemenak | yeah, like that's easy to figure out ;) |
| 04:10.12 | bryjen | hmm? |
| 04:10.27 | DTRemenak | guy x writes a map, saves it in my documents |
| 04:10.48 | DTRemenak | now to run it he has to type in "C:\documents and settings\administrator\my documents\my map.bzw" and he has to KNOW he has to type that |
| 04:11.09 | bryjen | that's a flaw in the menu then. have it look in their documents folder. |
| 04:11.10 | bryjen | ~pw |
| 04:11.10 | ibot | it has been said that patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 04:11.12 | JeffM2501 | make a pulldown |
| 04:11.24 | DTRemenak | or else he has to know he has to save it in My Documents\My BZFlag Files\worlds |
| 04:11.29 | DTRemenak | which is where it DOES default to |
| 04:11.39 | DTRemenak | and that is totally non-obvious |
| 04:11.56 | bryjen | yeah. there's that pesky i-have-to-read-instructions-first?!?! again ;) |
| 04:12.05 | DTRemenak | if you want it to be accessible you need to have a file browser of some sort |
| 04:12.45 | JeffM2501 | openGL treeview!!!!!!! |
| 04:12.50 | DTRemenak | eeeeeewww |
| 04:13.08 | blast007 | hehe |
| 04:13.22 | bryjen | hehe |
| 04:13.30 | JeffM2501 | then it's a flaw with the hud classes :) |
| 04:13.37 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
| 04:13.49 | DTRemenak | they assume one-line operation |
| 04:14.04 | DTRemenak | it could be fixed up so it would work |
| 04:14.36 | JeffM2501 | so inkscape is basicly just like illustrator |
| 04:14.38 | bryjen | !lart JeffM2501 |
| 04:14.38 | DTRemenak | eeeeeeeeeeeeeeewwwww :) |
| 04:14.41 | JeffM2501 | but gimpesqe? |
| 04:15.16 | JeffM2501 | is there something open source that is more for techincal illustrations?' |
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| 07:45.09 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking |
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| 08:52.22 | Tegan | hi ibot |
| 08:56.39 | BenUrban | ~lart ibot |
| 08:56.44 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 08:57.46 | Tegan | hi BenUrban |
| 08:58.03 | BenUrban | hi Tegan |
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| 09:57.02 | Tegan | hey Birdie |
| 09:57.32 | Birdie | good morning tegan |
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| 10:40.03 | CaptainBob | Greetings, all. |
| 10:40.18 | Tegan | hi |
| 10:40.50 | CaptainBob | I had some interesting battles earlier on the old 1.10 pillbox server. |
| 10:40.58 | CaptainBob | Red versus Green. |
| 10:42.00 | creeperz | Tegan == Cell!!!11 |
| 10:42.15 | creeperz | :-) |
| 10:42.22 | Tegan | creeperz I have no idea |
| 10:45.09 | Tegan | what is it, anyway? |
| 10:47.04 | Tegan | ~google Cell!!!11 |
| 10:47.25 | Tegan | !dict Cell!!!11 |
| 10:47.27 | TheLastSpartan | Tegan: No definition for 'Cell!!!11' could be found. |
| 10:47.31 | Tegan | hmm |
| 10:49.18 | creeperz | its an old player |
| 10:49.22 | creeperz | really dumb |
| 10:49.26 | creeperz | nobody liked him |
| 10:49.37 | creeperz | cheated and whined alot |
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| 11:00.02 | creeperz | heh |
| 11:12.35 | Tegan | he never did say what was interesting about those battles |
| 11:21.27 | Tupone | Cell -> Perfect Cell ? |
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| 12:21.15 | _Manu_ | Tupone, is something changed about the balanced teams stuff... I watched at Viper's server there are allways more reds than blues.. weird :( |
| 12:22.18 | _Manu_ | Tupone, the bzfs is dated Jul 6 |
| 12:22.27 | _Manu_ | (CVS) |
| 12:22.49 | Tupone | _Manu_: I changed long time ago, but Chestal changed after me. I suppose he followed what I've done, but not sure |
| 12:24.22 | _Manu_ | I'll revise it... :( some ppl complained about it |
| 12:25.09 | _Manu_ | I'll ask Pimpi too.. because he changed something too I though |
| 12:25.46 | S1gn | what about yesterday's issue with db (disappearing from there) ? |
| 12:25.51 | Tupone | How is going with authentication? |
| 12:26.25 | _Manu_ | btw, bzfag os working fine under FreeBSD... all except the SDL :( |
| 12:26.31 | _Manu_ | s/os/is |
| 12:27.05 | _Manu_ | SDL is 1.2.8 |
| 12:28.49 | _Manu_ | the error after some time running bzflag: Fatal signal: Floating Point Exception (SDL Parachute Deployed) |
| 12:29.07 | Tupone | remove the parachute, or run it within the debugger |
| 12:29.27 | _Manu_ | I know.. but I need some time for it :( |
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| 12:29.53 | _Manu_ | just pmed because if somebody using FreeBSD |
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| 12:31.00 | menotume | brlcad: ahhh, ok, good. The prototypes don't do that here for me |
| 12:31.45 | menotume | lol - it's a jpg - didn't notice |
| 12:31.57 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 12:32.39 | Tupone | menotume: what's up with authentication? does it work now ? |
| 12:41.07 | menotume | Tupone: yes, on my list server |
| 12:41.12 | menotume | ohhhh. |
| 12:41.13 | menotume | yes |
| 12:41.26 | menotume | Pimpi downgraded to cvs of 1 week ago |
| 12:43.18 | menotume | he also did not apply his 'crash on countdown' patches, though |
| 12:43.37 | _Manu_ | menotume, now viper is working fine |
| 12:43.44 | menotume | but, i believe those patches are in cvs |
| 12:43.55 | menotume | yes, they all are |
| 12:44.09 | menotume | as soon as he re-built bzfs - all worked fine |
| 12:44.22 | _Manu_ | well, not all.. the balanced teams.. not working properly |
| 12:44.30 | menotume | :) |
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| 12:48.06 | menotume | _Manu_: is the balanced teams problem something that was recently addressed ? |
| 12:49.53 | _Manu_ | yes.. since the last compilation :/ |
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| 12:51.23 | menotume | _Manu_: ok. Pimpi was very short on time, and wasn't able to apply all patches before he left. I think he got cvs as of June 30. |
| 12:53.33 | _Manu_ | menotume, I'll ask him.. |
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| 14:28.13 | Tegan | mornin' learner |
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| 15:04.41 | menotume | hellos flower-gurl |
| 15:04.59 | orchid | morning |
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| 15:14.06 | orchid | OpenGLGState.cxx:165: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of ‘SortedGState’ with no type |
| 15:14.09 | orchid | OpenGLGState.cxx:165: error: expected ‘;’ before ‘*’ token |
| 15:25.48 | Tupone | hi orchid, I'll help when I 'll get back home |
| 15:26.27 | orchid | ciao Tupone , no big deal |
| 15:32.37 | Chestal | orchid: can you try adding 'class SortedGState;' in line 135 (just before class OpenGLGStateRep)? |
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| 15:34.22 | orchid | Chestal: ok |
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| 15:37.33 | orchid | Chestal: much better :) |
| 15:38.24 | Chestal | is this with gcc4? |
| 15:38.47 | menotume | ahhh, missing from .h file |
| 15:39.27 | orchid | Chestal: yes, 4.0.1 |
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| 15:40.16 | menotume | hellso Elf! |
| 15:41.20 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/ogl/OpenGLGState.cxx: forward-declare SortedGState to make friend work |
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| 16:02.04 | bz1587 | can someone invite me? |
| 16:03.28 | bz1587 | :( |
| 16:03.40 | bz1587 | ;) |
| 16:03.44 | bz1587 | :) |
| 16:03.53 | bz1587 | :o |
| 16:03.58 | bz1587 | :O |
| 16:04.04 | blast007 | ? |
| 16:04.07 | bz1587 | :D |
| 16:04.18 | blast007 | invite you to what? |
| 16:04.19 | bz1587 | can u invite me? |
| 16:04.29 | bz1587 | a game |
| 16:05.15 | bz1587 | a game of bzflag |
| 16:05.16 | blast007 | can't really play on this computer |
| 16:05.24 | bz1587 | y |
| 16:05.46 | bz1587 | why? |
| 16:05.47 | blast007 | only an 8MB video card |
| 16:06.02 | blast007 | plus I'm in a server OS, so I don't have any acceleration at all right now |
| 16:06.02 | bz1587 | :s |
| 16:06.06 | bz1587 | :D |
| 16:06.18 | bz1587 | -_- |
| 16:06.27 | bz1587 | :p |
| 16:06.29 | blast007 | there are servers with players already on them |
| 16:06.36 | bryjen | use Find Server and just pick one. you don't have to be invited |
| 16:07.06 | bz1587 | theres no button that goes there |
| 16:07.15 | blast007 | in the game |
| 16:07.21 | blast007 | Join Game > Find Servers |
| 16:07.49 | bz1587 | how do i get in the game |
| 16:07.55 | blast007 | o.O |
| 16:08.15 | orchid | do you have bzflag installed on your computer bz1587? |
| 16:08.23 | bz1587 | ??? what the ??? |
| 16:08.44 | bz1587 | >:( |
| 16:08.50 | bz1587 | :@ |
| 16:08.58 | bz1587 | >:) |
| 16:08.59 | blast007 | dude, enough with the smilies |
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| 16:09.01 | bz1587 | >:( |
| 16:09.34 | Birdie | hmm.. |
| 16:10.12 | bryjen | FAQ#43 No, you cannot play bzflag vi cgi:irc. |
| 16:10.24 | bryjen | s/vi/via/ |
| 16:11.02 | bryjen | or with vi... ;) |
| 16:11.03 | shorty114 | someone actually asked that? |
| 16:11.12 | bryjen | but maybe with emacs :) |
| 16:11.46 | blast007 | :) |
| 16:12.14 | bryjen | i'm not sure what they were thinking / trying to ask, shorty114. |
| 16:12.35 | shorty114 | bryjen, well, they clearly know AIM... |
| 16:13.07 | shorty114 | he made faces more than he typed actual words |
| 16:13.08 | bryjen | strange visitors from the intarweb |
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| 16:44.26 | shorty114 | how do i use a patch file? |
| 16:46.01 | BearPerson | patch -p0 </path/to/file.patch |
| 16:47.41 | shorty114 | thanks |
| 16:48.29 | shorty114 | hmm doesn't work |
| 16:50.01 | BearPerson | what's it say? |
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| 16:50.21 | BearPerson | you need to be inside the source directory for it to work, iirc |
| 16:50.45 | BearPerson | try fiddling with the -p switch, usually helps too... so -p1 or -p3 instead of -p0 |
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| 16:53.32 | shorty114 | ah yes -p1 worked |
| 16:53.36 | shorty114 | but it failed on bbcode.php :) |
| 16:53.45 | shorty114 | so i'll just use the tarball |
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| 17:31.52 | BearPerson | probably |
| 17:31.55 | BearPerson | dynamic IP? |
| 17:32.23 | Birdie | no idea |
| 17:32.30 | BearPerson | gimme the IP :) |
| 17:32.43 | Birdie | but the strange thing is |
| 17:32.48 | Birdie | if you do /playerlist |
| 17:33.00 | Birdie | you see the ip, plus lots of stuff between ( ) and udp+ |
| 17:33.04 | Birdie | he only had ip.. |
| 17:33.07 | BearPerson | ah |
| 17:33.15 | BearPerson | so no reverse resolve... good |
| 17:33.17 | BearPerson | or bad |
| 17:33.22 | BearPerson | ip please :) |
| 17:33.37 | Birdie | k wait:) |
| 17:33.45 | S1gn | 127.0.0.1 :-) |
| 17:34.00 | Birdie | 63.251.205.145 |
| 17:34.08 | Birdie | that ip is from gamesunited the 127 thing |
| 17:34.09 | blast007 | S1gn: hehe |
| 17:34.42 | blast007 | ~dns 63.251.205.145 |
| 17:34.48 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/ (14 files in 5 dirs): team icons on join menu |
| 17:34.54 | BearPerson | :) |
| 17:35.01 | BearPerson | Edmunds.com ... ?!? |
| 17:35.05 | BearPerson | californian |
| 17:35.28 | BearPerson | ~host edmunds.com |
| 17:35.28 | ibot | see nslookup edmunds.com |
| 17:35.33 | BearPerson | ~nslookup edmunds.com |
| 17:36.04 | BearPerson | hmm... they do own the range of that IP too though |
| 17:36.59 | Birdie | oh well, just put the ip i gave on the masterbanlist:) |
| 17:37.07 | BearPerson | :) |
| 17:37.18 | blast007 | Birdie: have they been on multiple servers? |
| 17:37.20 | BearPerson | yeah, should work... no pesky dynamic IP this time |
| 17:37.44 | Birdie | only saw on hepcat..but if you spam like 100 times about killing arabs.. |
| 17:37.48 | BearPerson | hmm... that host is running a sshd... |
| 17:37.52 | BearPerson | then /poll ban him |
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| 17:38.06 | BearPerson | or get a cop/admin to ban him permanently |
| 17:38.09 | Birdie | i did.. |
| 17:38.11 | Birdie | i'm admin there |
| 17:38.13 | BearPerson | ah |
| 17:38.18 | Birdie | how would i know the ip if i wasnt admin |
| 17:38.23 | BearPerson | true |
| 17:38.27 | Birdie | :) |
| 17:38.40 | BearPerson | callsign? |
| 17:39.21 | Birdie | london killer |
| 17:39.28 | Birdie | or somehting like that |
| 17:41.47 | bryjen | if you've already placed a ban at the one server it was a problem on, then that's enough for now. |
| 17:42.20 | Birdie | ok... |
| 17:43.07 | Grumbler | ban'em, ban'em all |
| 17:43.32 | Birdie | i do wonder if some one does like that, he gets the chance to do it again somewhere else |
| 17:44.07 | bryjen | or the reverse, once banned, they learn the lesson and stop being a pest :) |
| 17:46.08 | shorty114 | how often does that happen? |
| 17:46.17 | shorty114 | there are many other servers that they can attack |
| 17:46.32 | bryjen | stop raining on my picnic, shorty114 :P |
| 17:46.39 | Grumbler | yeah, i have yet to see someone learn. once a pest, always a pest. just ban'em and let UT2004 sort'em out |
| 17:47.11 | bryjen | it's Friday. be happy :) |
| 17:48.25 | shorty114 | oh wtf is bes? |
| 17:49.25 | shorty114 | wow i feel loved |
| 17:49.26 | BenUrban | c'mon people, it's fun! |
| 17:50.03 | BenUrban | ~fishslap shorty114 |
| 17:50.03 | ibot | ACTION slaps shorty114 up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 17:51.05 | shorty114 | well, that wore out fast. |
| 17:51.56 | bryjen | meh. if they're going to persist, they'll rack up more complaints fast enough. and _then_ they get the big ban. |
| 17:53.05 | BenUrban | you mean /mode +q? |
| 17:53.17 | Grumbler | no in bzfs, server command |
| 17:53.24 | Grumbler | you can mute a spammer |
| 17:53.32 | bryjen | heh persistent pests |
| 17:54.28 | Grumbler | would be cool in there was a master-mute-list along with the master-ban-list |
| 17:54.38 | Birdie | ~pw |
| 17:54.38 | ibot | from memory, patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it." |
| 17:54.39 | Birdie | :) |
| 17:54.59 | Grumbler | pull! |
| 17:55.01 | Tupone | _Manu_: you implemented the rejoin wait ? |
| 17:55.08 | BenUrban | *shoots |
| 17:55.20 | BenUrban | LMAO |
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| 17:55.32 | BenUrban | wow i must be a very lousy shot |
| 17:55.40 | Birdie | lol |
| 17:55.49 | Birdie | you locked on the wrong one |
| 17:55.56 | Grumbler | Birdie< i think a master-mute-list would require more than just me submitting a patch........ |
| 17:56.20 | BenUrban | ack |
| 17:56.21 | BenUrban | *shoots |
| 17:56.29 | BenUrban | apparently |
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| 18:23.53 | Tupone | brlcad: ping |
| 18:29.13 | bryjen | ve are vatchink you! |
| 18:29.43 | bryjen | or BZFlag, brought to you by CBS ;) |
| 18:34.16 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 18:36.40 | brlcad | Tupone: pong |
| 18:37.13 | Tupone | brlcad: ping |
| 18:38.56 | Tupone | brlcad: wanted to understand what the rejoin wait does, that bzfs loose the player token |
| 18:39.27 | Tupone | but I'm going with the debug and I'll see (hope) |
| 18:40.54 | brlcad | ok.. :) |
| 18:41.28 | brlcad | it removed them via removePlayer iirc, so it should be a proper disconnect |
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| 18:41.53 | brlcad | unless if there's something extra that removeplayer needs to be doing to ensure a clean removal |
| 18:42.11 | Tupone | but you changed as not to remove ... unless change is also on client side |
| 18:42.28 | _Manu_ | I wrote the removeplayer for rejoiners.. because the reject sometimes not working |
| 18:42.30 | brlcad | hmm? |
| 18:43.11 | Tupone | when I rejoin I just did get a message back, but player enter, perhaps with a delay, I don't know |
| 18:43.38 | brlcad | i don't understand/remember what you're referring to that I changed.. I didn't write the rejoin reject code |
| 18:44.07 | Tupone | 2005-05-27 20:55 brlcad |
| 18:44.35 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:44.42 | _Manu_ | oh yes.. he changed :( |
| 18:45.19 | _Manu_ | and the result is you get killed if rejoin.. untill the time expired |
| 18:45.20 | brlcad | ahh, that change .. it was controversial at the time |
| 18:45.37 | DTRemenak | indeed |
| 18:45.38 | brlcad | yeah, you're just prevented from entry |
| 18:45.49 | brlcad | so.. what's the problem? |
| 18:45.58 | _Manu_ | yes.. but sometimes not working fine :( |
| 18:45.58 | Tupone | do you remember if there is also a client change ? |
| 18:46.08 | brlcad | no, no client change |
| 18:46.09 | Tupone | the problem is that I don't get authentication |
| 18:46.27 | Tupone | but could be my changes on culr |
| 18:46.49 | Tupone | only when I rejoin, at least now |
| 18:47.10 | _Manu_ | brlcad, probably you must write the kill thing in the changelogs :) |
| 18:47.40 | Tupone | bzfs does not ask to autenthicate to list server, like it loose the token associate to player |
| 18:48.46 | cosmos | im still looking for the patch that can make an offending players computer explode /detonate lamer |
| 18:49.03 | _Manu_ | cosmos, too dangerous... ;) |
| 18:50.10 | cosmos | or maybe sign them up for frequent visits from the jehovas witnesses |
| 18:50.29 | _Manu_ | better is replace the swears by flowers names |
| 18:52.31 | cosmos | that could be funny, have the curse filter make the player say how much they love everyone else |
| 18:53.07 | _Manu_ | yes.. heh |
| 18:54.04 | bryjen | don't be a dumb azalea! ;) |
| 18:54.29 | _Manu_ | dumbrose |
| 18:54.32 | _Manu_ | :) |
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| 18:59.32 | brlcad | it shouldn't have anything to do with token checking, the player is simply killed when they try to join the map (after they've auth'd and joined the server) |
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| 19:01.50 | _Manu_ | brlcad, yes.. it worked fine, probably is another thing |
| 19:02.27 | blast007 | why kill them when it can just prevent them from spawning? |
| 19:03.21 | _Manu_ | well.. kill is the result :) |
| 19:03.48 | _Manu_ | really exploding.. like when a team captures the flag |
| 19:03.58 | brlcad | killing them lets them know that they did something wrong (and it says so) |
| 19:04.04 | blast007 | k |
| 19:04.29 | _Manu_ | I don't think so... heh |
| 19:05.07 | brlcad | also forces them to wait at least explode time |
| 19:05.16 | _Manu_ | and sometimes the true rejoiners troublemakers are the observers |
| 19:05.54 | brlcad | this discussion has been had before :) |
| 19:06.16 | brlcad | it wasn't meant to solve all rejoin problems, there are lots of them, but it did solve a very specific problem that was asked for |
| 19:06.18 | _Manu_ | yes... goto line 1; |
| 19:06.20 | _Manu_ | k |
| 19:06.35 | _Manu_ | I know... only kidding ;) |
| 19:06.45 | brlcad | I know.. I don't really care either ;) |
| 19:07.25 | _Manu_ | but lots of ppl asking why they getting exploding when respawns :) |
| 19:07.37 | _Manu_ | so.. the message is not working as it should |
| 19:08.01 | bryjen | people don't read |
| 19:08.20 | _Manu_ | yes.. because if you read.. get killed.. ;) |
| 19:08.44 | bryjen | no, they are lazy |
| 19:09.14 | _Manu_ | now the respawn at base when you teamkilling.. is really good.. |
| 19:09.24 | _Manu_ | a good way for killing base campers :( |
| 19:10.01 | _Manu_ | if you want to move quickly to your base.. just kill your nearest teammate :( |
| 19:10.36 | bryjen | that is a mis-feature. JeffM was trying to fix something someone complained about, but I don't think he got all the information |
| 19:11.12 | _Manu_ | ah... :) |
| 19:11.20 | bryjen | or the bug report was flawed |
| 19:12.12 | bryjen | if you are killed by an enemy, and before you respawn your flag is captured, do you respawn on base? |
| 19:13.26 | _Manu_ | dunno... I'm the capturer ;) |
| 19:14.09 | _Manu_ | I think yes.. |
| 19:14.34 | _Manu_ | the only advantage is you respawn faster |
| 19:14.42 | _Manu_ | yes.. now I remember.. you respawn at base |
| 19:14.53 | _Manu_ | but haven't to wait the dalay time |
| 19:15.17 | bryjen | someone said if you are TK'ed and the flag is caputed before respawn, you do not go back to base. That's what he was trying to fix. |
| 19:15.24 | _Manu_ | I usually does it.. (not respawn) for taking my making my team flag secure |
| 19:15.55 | _Manu_ | but is the tker who is moved to base.. |
| 19:16.06 | blast007 | yup, that should put you on the base, if your flag was captured |
| 19:16.34 | blast007 | in captureFlag, it does p->player.setRestartOnBase(true); for each player |
| 19:16.46 | _Manu_ | when I'm killed.. and my team flag is almost captured.. I wait for the capture.. then respawn the first |
| 19:16.47 | blast007 | each player on the losing team |
| 19:17.02 | bryjen | blast007: it should, but someone said it did not on TK |
| 19:17.17 | blast007 | hmm |
| 19:17.17 | _Manu_ | that makes me taking my flag for secure it.. |
| 19:17.23 | bryjen | s/on TK/if you were alread dead from a TK/ |
| 19:17.37 | blast007 | bryjen: from what I'm seeing, it shouldn't matter |
| 19:17.42 | _Manu_ | may be the same thing.. all moved to base |
| 19:17.58 | _Manu_ | but they can respawn quickest than the other players |
| 19:18.12 | bryjen | blast007: I donno. haven't looked at it myself. |
| 19:19.44 | bryjen | if you were already dead, your timer will run out sooner. that makes sense. |
| 19:20.33 | _Manu_ | yep.. is a tactic.. prevents other zombies players taking your team flags to the enemy zone |
| 19:21.06 | _Manu_ | s/zombies/newbies |
| 19:25.14 | bryjen | the "fix" JeffM put in probly needs to be fixed itself or removed |
| 19:27.47 | _Manu_ | as it is, only usefull for cheats :( |
| 19:31.31 | blast007 | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/bzflag/bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx?r1=2.108&r2=2.109 |
| 19:32.36 | blast007 | however, I think there is only one line that need changing |
| 19:33.09 | bryjen | just remove the true from the playerKilled near the bottom of that |
| 19:33.13 | blast007 | line 2873 in bzfs.cxx |
| 19:33.15 | blast007 | yup |
| 19:33.19 | _Manu_ | blast007, more than one... ;) |
| 19:33.58 | blast007 | _Manu_: the commit did more than one thing |
| 19:34.04 | blast007 | "make playerKill use the spawn on base thingy |
| 19:34.04 | blast007 | make TKs respawn on base if they die in a team game" |
| 19:34.19 | blast007 | the only thing you need to undo is the second one |
| 19:34.30 | Grumbler | hmm....google is looking for funny things on the web right now....... /var/www/umtzonpunmknvh.html |
| 19:34.54 | _Manu_ | typing...: cvs commit....... is another line ;-p |
| 19:36.48 | _Manu_ | blast007, the line makes you respawn on base is: 2853 |
| 19:37.18 | _Manu_ | blast007, er not... forget it :/ |
| 19:37.31 | blast007 | hehe, I was gonna say ;) |
| 19:37.33 | _Manu_ | ;) |
| 19:37.42 | bryjen | things have changed |
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| 19:44.29 | bz1181 | Hello ? |
| 19:45.08 | Grumbler | olleh ? |
| 19:45.28 | bz1181 | :> |
| 19:45.35 | bz1181 | it lives, it lives !!!! |
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| 19:45.51 | uso_w | cosmos or _Manu_: do you know how much traffic your server generates per month? |
| 19:46.19 | _Manu_ | to much.. but better ask pimpi.. he knows exactly |
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| 19:51.28 | uso_w | roughly? i haven't a clue if one the the hosting offers with included traffic would fit for a bzflag server |
| 19:51.37 | uso_w | as additional traffic is very expensive |
| 19:52.23 | Grumbler | do you think you can generate as much traffic as viper and hepcat? |
| 19:52.31 | uso_w | no :) |
| 19:53.19 | uso_w | but wanne get a clue, where the sky is :) |
| 19:53.43 | Grumbler | yeah, the sky is pretty high, with a wide pipe |
| 19:54.46 | uso_w | yes, you can't pay a 100 Mbit line if it's fully used all the time ;) |
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| 19:56.22 | Birdie | somethimes since i reinstalled, my tanks go IN the buildings for 50%, any one know what option that is..? |
| 20:03.41 | blast007 | uso_w: look at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/20050215.html.gz |
| 20:03.50 | blast007 | do a search for: I'm using about 2mbps |
| 20:06.07 | _Manu_ | lol |
| 20:06.37 | uso_w | 2mbps, that gives about 5tb per month, a lot |
| 20:07.02 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:07.06 | _Manu_ | uso, look for 100mb |
| 20:08.01 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03bryjen * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: teamkillers should not always respawn on base |
| 20:16.08 | BearPerson | ~bryjen++ |
| 20:24.24 | blast007 | ick...just compiled the latest CVS, and I get an Application Error when I try to find servers |
| 20:24.35 | blast007 | VC7.1 |
| 20:26.04 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/common/cURLManager.cxx: call removeHandle before the finalization callback, so a new transfer can start from it |
| 20:26.13 | blast007 | could it be due to running libcurl 7.11.1.0? |
| 20:26.43 | Tupone | it seems old version of curl gives problems, probably is the way I use it :( |
| 20:27.53 | Tupone | seems I found and fixed my fault on authentication |
| 20:28.25 | menotume | you found a problem there, Tupone ? |
| 20:28.39 | Tupone | there where? |
| 20:28.55 | menotume | "seems I found and fixed my fault on authentication" |
| 20:28.57 | menotume | :) |
| 20:29.00 | Tupone | you mean here? I fixed there |
| 20:29.17 | menotume | yes, i meant therem, not here |
| 20:29.18 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:29.40 | menotume | but, if it's there now, i'll get it here |
| 20:29.54 | Tupone | :) |
| 20:30.30 | blast007 | heh |
| 20:32.50 | bryjen | can I get a couple of testers on bryjen.bzflag.org:5154 to look at the TK spawn on/off base issue? |
| 20:36.53 | Grumbler | sry, cant help, i guess i dont have a proper client |
| 20:45.03 | Chestal | hmm, with gcc4, bzflag binaries are _much_ larger than with 3.3 |
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| 20:45.37 | Tupone | hey alex :) ciao |
| 20:45.48 | ibunny | ciao bello |
| 20:47.00 | menotume | Chestal: more label/debug info ? |
| 20:47.08 | _Manu_ | ibunny, ibunny :) |
| 20:47.18 | ibunny | manu manu |
| 20:47.21 | Chestal | menotume: no, when stripped |
| 20:47.26 | Chestal | it's actually smaller with debug info |
| 20:47.29 | menotume | oh :( |
| 20:47.30 | ibunny | moin chestal |
| 20:47.35 | ibunny | meno meno <3<3 |
| 20:47.37 | Chestal | liek 3MB instead of 1.8MB or so |
| 20:47.51 | menotume | wow, unstrip it then :) |
| 20:47.56 | menotume | ibunny <3 |
| 20:48.22 | Tupone | strip who? |
| 20:49.12 | uso_w | Chestal: with same optimizations? |
| 20:50.44 | menotume | Grumbler: you have an improper client? shame on you |
| 20:52.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: cURLManager::perform() is called just before select, so transfer start asap |
| 20:54.21 | Chestal | uso_w: yes |
| 20:54.24 | Chestal | but client is borked |
| 20:54.30 | Chestal | I'll try 3.3 again |
| 20:54.45 | menotume | bleeding edge - who needs it |
| 20:57.40 | Chestal | my lag is totally messy |
| 20:57.40 | Chestal | looks liek the time stamp values or something is wrong |
| 20:57.40 | bryjen | what are the require attributes for a meshbox? |
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| 20:57.40 | bryjen | i keep getting "discarding incomplete object" |
| 20:57.41 | bryjen | hmm, or maybe its the materials i'm doing wrong |
| 21:01.13 | menotume | Chestal: dumb question, but is your 'strip' compatible with 4.0 ? |
| 21:04.58 | Chestal | I guess that strip works on the format of the executable, ELF, that shouldn't have changed |
| 21:04.59 | Chestal | ok, works fine with gcc-3.3 |
| 21:04.59 | Chestal | do I feel like debugging it? :-) |
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| 21:21.13 | Chestal | uhm? dead reckoning does not seem to work? |
| 21:21.48 | Chestal | when I move at constant speed, client seems stil to send lots of update packets |
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| 21:25.06 | TimRiker | Chestal: ldd shows roughly the same libs? ie: none are static that should not be? |
| 21:26.35 | Chestal | yes |
| 21:26.52 | TimRiker | no -lbind or other crazyness? |
| 21:26.54 | Chestal | oen strange thing is that it references both libstdc++.so.6 and .5, hmm |
| 21:27.09 | Chestal | well, the size is my smallest concern now |
| 21:27.16 | Chestal | righ tnow, back to 3.3 and checkign deadreckoning |
| 21:28.19 | Chestal | hmm, seems to be a server thing |
| 21:30.18 | Chestal | hmm, or framerate related |
| 21:36.02 | menotume | TimRiker: got a minute (maybe 2) ? |
| 21:38.01 | TimRiker | menotume: perhaps, perhaps not. |
| 21:38.17 | menotume | Just wanted to see if I can commit bzfls.php |
| 21:38.31 | menotume | it WILL need a new sql table, i have a script to reate it |
| 21:38.46 | menotume | and, FYI: I added action=GETTOKEN for tupone |
| 21:39.06 | menotume | doesn't have to be now, give a yell when you have time, i guess |
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| 21:42.32 | menotume | TimRiker: if you like, i can commit, and add a README in /support with info, and the 2 required sql queries to add/modify tables |
| 21:49.26 | menotume | ok, later then :) |
| 21:54.13 | Chestal | I wonder if it is just float accuracy problems, hmm |
| 21:55.32 | menotume | Chestal: I think there was a change a little while back to fix Sporty's jitter. Dunno where that was though |
| 21:56.03 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: typo |
| 21:57.14 | Chestal | menotume: AFAIK this only changed the clock on windows |
| 21:57.22 | Grumbler | menotume< my client is release proper, but the server didnt seem to like it |
| 21:57.34 | menotume | ahhhhh, and ahhhh |
| 22:05.16 | TimRiker | menotume: hmm. don't have toe time right now. email it to me? |
| 22:05.29 | menotume | sure, will do |
| 22:05.33 | menotume | tonight |
| 22:05.37 | TimRiker | menotume: we should put it on the server as a new url and test it there first. |
| 22:05.51 | menotume | hmm, ok |
| 22:05.55 | TimRiker | so you could just dump it on the server as bzfls-new.php or something. |
| 22:05.59 | menotume | with a separate db ? |
| 22:06.05 | TimRiker | no, sam bd. |
| 22:06.09 | TimRiker | er same. |
| 22:06.25 | menotume | ok, lemm just email it to you, with a little README |
| 22:06.30 | TimRiker | might want to backup the db first before you add the new tables. |
| 22:06.34 | TimRiker | ok. cool. |
| 22:06.39 | menotume | right. |
| 22:06.52 | menotume | then, you can look, and we can arrange a suitable time to do it |
| 22:06.57 | TimRiker | k |
| 22:07.09 | menotume | no time for your toe ? |
| 22:07.27 | menotume | poor toe |
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| 22:17.28 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/Player.cxx: use dt for common subexpression |
| 22:19.45 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03chestal * 10bzflag/BUGS: dead reckoning anomaly |
| 22:36.34 | orchid | the average version number of the 15747 debian packages is 2.261 |
| 22:37.07 | Chestal | :-) |
| 22:37.08 | menotume | good to know, orchid |
| 22:37.10 | orchid | bzflag is close to that |
| 22:37.59 | orchid | menotume: fascinating isnt it :) |
| 22:41.55 | brlcad | heh, that is interesting |
| 22:45.57 | orchid | so bzflag should realign the next version to 2.261 and call it the "average release" |
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| 22:50.55 | M1 | Hi |
| 22:51.27 | M1 | anyone met the message "X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)" when starting bzflag? |
| 22:54.10 | Tupone | try to move out th config.cfg |
| 22:54.22 | Tupone | or run it windowed |
| 22:54.29 | M1 | in linux |
| 22:54.41 | Tupone | ./bzflag -window |
| 22:55.13 | M1 | windowed version is ok |
| 22:55.39 | M1 | what is wrong with the full screen mode? |
| 22:55.50 | Tupone | the resolution I guess |
| 22:56.24 | M1 | the program does not automatically adjust its resolution? |
| 22:56.26 | Tupone | option->display->change-format and choose your default resolution |
| 22:57.00 | M1 | change the default one to my screen resolution? |
| 22:57.34 | Tupone | you have an X screen resolution now, that works. ok ? |
| 22:57.57 | Tupone | set bzflag resolution to that |
| 22:57.59 | M1 | ok. it works after I change the resolution to the xwindows resolution |
| 22:58.03 | M1 | thx |
| 22:58.06 | Tupone | ok |
| 22:59.29 | M1 | Tupone: someone registered with my nick. Is there a way to get it back? |
| 22:59.54 | orchid | on the forum? |
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| 23:00.24 | M1 | It is here |
| 23:00.33 | orchid | irc you mean? |
| 23:00.38 | M1 | yes |
| 23:01.06 | Tupone | no way then, nick are global to all the irc network. Unless you talk with freenode |
| 23:01.24 | M1 | ok. nvm |
| 23:01.32 | M1 | thx |
| 23:01.51 | orchid | Registered: 42 weeks 4 days (20h 10m 41s) ago |
| 23:01.51 | orchid | 19:01 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Last Seen: 40 weeks 5 days (1h 33m 20s) ago |
| 23:02.14 | orchid | Last Seen Address: ~M1@201009223154.user.veloxzone.com.br |
| 23:02.19 | orchid | so your too late |
| 23:02.26 | M1 | hehe |
| 23:02.53 | Tupone | M1 ... what are the resolution listed in bzflag ? |
| 23:03.37 | M1 | there are over 20 resolutions listed |
| 23:03.46 | Tupone | what is the max? |
| 23:03.58 | M1 | seems I need to reset the resolution every time I start bzflag |
| 23:04.17 | M1 | 1600x1200 |
| 23:04.29 | Tupone | and you can go to that ? |
| 23:05.12 | M1 | I can do it |
| 23:05.36 | Tupone | from bzflag I mean |
| 23:05.52 | Tupone | what linux distribution is ? |
| 23:06.12 | M1 | redhat |
| 23:06.20 | Tupone | FC3 ? |
| 23:06.40 | M1 | 2.6.10-1.760_FC3 |
| 23:07.16 | M1 | cannot reach 1600x1200 |
| 23:08.13 | Tupone | can you check what version of SDL you have ? |
| 23:09.01 | M1 | how to check it? |
| 23:09.23 | Tupone | rpm -qa | grep SDL |
| 23:09.44 | M1 | SDL_net-1.2.5-2 |
| 23:09.50 | M1 | SDL-1.2.7-8 |
| 23:09.57 | M1 | SDL_mixer-1.2.5-4 |
| 23:10.47 | Tupone | as it seems you have not built bzflag yourself, where did you get it from ? |
| 23:13.59 | M1 | I just compiled one from the source |
| 23:14.10 | M1 | it has no problem |
| 23:14.24 | M1 | the version with problem is from my.bzflag.org |
| 23:14.32 | Tupone | on this machine? you don't have SDL-devel, or you have it ? |
| 23:14.32 | M1 | it is a complied version |
| 23:14.40 | M1 | no |
| 23:15.39 | Tupone | ahh, so the other one is without SDL, probably you can get from the string it disaply on the console at startup |
| 23:16.34 | M1 | I guess the one I just compiled has not SDL support |
| 23:16.52 | M1 | is SDL very important for the performance? |
| 23:16.58 | Tupone | yeah, as you don't have SDL-devel. |
| 23:17.43 | M1 | how was it done before in bzflag without sdl |
| 23:18.17 | blast007 | M1: the Windows releases don't use SDL, so it's not critical |
| 23:18.28 | Tupone | without SDL there are some problem when you are full-screen and some other window popup |
| 23:18.37 | M1 | ic |
| 23:18.54 | M1 | ok, I can test drive the new version now. |
| 23:18.57 | M1 | thx |
| 23:19.00 | Tupone | so sometime you loose control ok the keyboard |
| 23:19.12 | Tupone | you can have joystick with SDL |
| 23:19.34 | M1 | but I am not an admin... |
| 23:19.45 | Tupone | and you can go from window to full-screen or iconize a window with SDL |
| 23:20.25 | M1 | bzflag with SDL runs faster? |
| 23:20.43 | Tupone | same speed |
| 23:20.48 | M1 | with higher fresh rate? |
| 23:21.31 | Tupone | same speed with same refresh rate, all the same. Just all the event are managed better |
| 23:21.40 | M1 | ic |
| 23:22.22 | Tupone | SDL is not openGL .. with or without SDL we continue to do the dirty work with OpenGL |
| 23:22.40 | M1 | hehe |
| 23:24.31 | M1 | bye all |
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| 23:29.36 | bz0635 | hi there, does anyone know how to enable udp? I got kicked because I don't have udp enabled. |
| 23:31.14 | blast007 | what version of the game? |
| 23:32.08 | bz0635 | hi last007, I have the latest stable (2.0.2) |
| 23:32.24 | bz0635 | sry, I mean blast007 |
| 23:32.35 | blast007 | there's a setting in Options about enabling UDP, but I don't know if that actually affects anything |
| 23:33.22 | bz0635 | This is the first time I got kicked because of this reason. I haven't seen it so far. I'll take a look thanks! |
| 23:34.12 | blast007 | sometimes it's just a random glitch if UDP doesn't get a connection made |
| 23:34.22 | bz0635 | Well, it says it's On. |
| 23:34.26 | blast007 | k |
| 23:34.46 | bz0635 | Ok, then, I'll try to reboot (yes, it's windows :) |
| 23:34.55 | bz0635 | thanks for the tip |
| 23:35.06 | blast007 | might not even be a reboot issue |
| 23:35.21 | blast007 | could just be a random thing that occurs during the connection process |
| 23:35.42 | bz0635 | hmm, ok, I'll try to reconnect first then. |
| 23:36.40 | bz0635 | no, I think there's something going on with windows. It took like 20 seconds just to start (never happened bfore). Reboot time! |
| 23:36.47 | blast007 | ah, ok |
| 23:36.49 | blast007 | :) |
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| 23:40.39 | Kurt | hey, everyone |
| 23:40.53 | Kurt | I just beat my highest score in KBounce by playing cross-eyed! |
| 23:41.46 | blast007 | hehe |
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