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| 16:24.25 | silverfox | is there a bzbb admin around? |
| 16:24.35 | JeffM2501 | ish |
| 16:24.47 | silverfox | Can you change the max poll items to 15 for me? |
| 16:24.54 | JeffM2501 | dude |
| 16:24.59 | JeffM2501 | what do you need 15 poll items for? |
| 16:25.03 | silverfox | I have 14 submissions for the hepcat map contest. |
| 16:25.07 | silverfox | or 14 |
| 16:25.11 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 16:25.11 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 16:25.14 | JeffM2501 | fair nuf |
| 16:25.20 | silverfox | thanks much (it can be temporary) |
| 16:25.32 | JeffM2501 | as long as it's not "what olsin twin is hotter" poll |
| 16:25.52 | silverfox | nope, only need 3 options for that one. ;) |
| 16:26.01 | CBG | heh |
| 16:26.14 | JeffM2501 | done |
| 16:26.24 | CBG | SilverFox: Will my submissions be accepted? Or should I have been 12 hrs earlier? |
| 16:26.28 | silverfox | thanks: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=41130 |
| 16:26.46 | silverfox | CBG, sorry, but you missed the deadline (which has been posted for several months) |
| 16:26.53 | CBG | Gah!!!! |
| 16:26.56 | CBG | :( |
| 16:27.02 | CBG | Stupid damn router. |
| 16:27.14 | silverfox | JeffM2501, crud. |
| 16:27.29 | silverfox | JeffM2501, I managed to create that post as the wrong user. Is that something you can change? |
| 16:27.41 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:27.45 | silverfox | oops. Oh well. |
| 16:27.53 | JeffM2501 | well not easaly |
| 16:29.29 | JeffM2501 | CBG, dude |
| 16:29.31 | JeffM2501 | ease up |
| 16:29.34 | JeffM2501 | it's just hardware |
| 16:29.59 | CBG | yeah - hardware that made me miss the damned deadline!!!!!!!!! |
| 16:30.18 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 16:30.19 | JeffM2501 | you missed it |
| 16:30.28 | JeffM2501 | if you were that close you should have had a backup plan |
| 16:30.53 | CBG | I wasnt expecting the piece of sh*te to break, was I? |
| 16:31.15 | JeffM2501 | then plug your computer direclty into the modem |
| 16:31.16 | JeffM2501 | send |
| 16:31.18 | JeffM2501 | done and done |
| 16:31.27 | JeffM2501 | any hardware can fail at any time |
| 16:31.32 | JeffM2501 | allways have a backup plan :) |
| 16:31.42 | CBG | why does it have to fail when I have a damn deadline? |
| 16:32.28 | CBG | Jeff may want to ban me for an hour before I say something I shouldnt. :( |
| 16:32.30 | JeffM2501 | probably because you didn't take care of it |
| 16:32.31 | CBG | >:( |
| 16:32.36 | JeffM2501 | or just calm down |
| 16:32.37 | JeffM2501 | dude |
| 16:32.44 | CBG | Its not my router. I never touch it. |
| 16:32.46 | JeffM2501 | geting all mad about it won't solve anything |
| 16:32.55 | blast007 | "If there is a possibility of several things going wrong, the one that will cause the most damage will be the one to go wrong. Corollary: If there is a worse time for something to go wrong, it will happen then." |
| 16:32.56 | JeffM2501 | CBG, then that's probably why if failed |
| 16:33.06 | JeffM2501 | hell you could have gone to a net cafe and emailed it |
| 16:33.16 | CBG | net cafe? haha. as if. |
| 16:33.46 | JeffM2501 | there are ways to get stuff out |
| 16:33.52 | JeffM2501 | go to a friends house |
| 16:33.56 | CBG | rofl |
| 16:33.56 | JeffM2501 | you DO own a laptop |
| 16:34.05 | JeffM2501 | how close to the deadline were you sending it? |
| 16:34.25 | CBG | 8 hrs before |
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| 16:34.40 | CBG | but It was a little while before I went out |
| 16:34.49 | CBG | and I didnt get back untill like 3:30AM. |
| 16:35.38 | JeffM2501 | that's prety close |
| 16:35.39 | CBG | stupid-waste-of-time-prom and after-party :( |
| 16:35.49 | JeffM2501 | for something that was posted months before |
| 16:36.00 | CBG | I was tweaking with the maps... :( |
| 16:36.03 | JeffM2501 | best would have been to calmy explain it to the person |
| 16:36.09 | JeffM2501 | in charge of the contest |
| 16:36.15 | CBG | SIlverFox? |
| 16:36.35 | JeffM2501 | if that was the person |
| 16:36.36 | bryjen | ah-haa, now the real reason for the crankiness starts to come out ;) |
| 16:36.57 | JeffM2501 | CBG, just don't go all anti-feminist on us ;) |
| 16:37.00 | Birdie | all those maps of that bzbb tread are up?:s |
| 16:37.08 | CBG | bryjen: huh? |
| 16:37.12 | CBG | jeff: huh? |
| 16:37.18 | CBG | Birdie: huh? |
| 16:37.27 | Birdie | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=41130 this one |
| 16:37.46 | CBG | You asking me? |
| 16:37.52 | Birdie | you cant know that |
| 16:38.03 | JeffM2501 | if you didn't make the contest, still be happy you made what you feel is your best map |
| 16:38.09 | JeffM2501 | put it out there |
| 16:38.10 | Birdie | you assume every thing that is talked here is to you cbg:) |
| 16:38.14 | JeffM2501 | if it's good people will use it :) |
| 16:38.35 | CBG | Birdie: well i was having a rant and you didnt adress your question to anyone else |
| 16:39.03 | CBG | bryjen: explain what this "real reason" is. |
| 16:39.13 | CBG | and what was the anti-feminist comment, jeff? |
| 16:39.30 | JeffM2501 | CBG, don't worry about it, you weren't here for what it was refrencing |
| 16:39.30 | bryjen | out till 03:30 and not much fun? |
| 16:39.42 | CBG | bryjen: heh. thats not it. |
| 16:39.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah if you up that late you should be having TONS of fun ;) |
| 16:39.56 | CBG | I dont "drink". |
| 16:40.12 | CBG | so I was just drinking sprite and eating little sausages. |
| 16:40.20 | JeffM2501 | I wasn't talking about drinking |
| 16:40.20 | CBG | I had just about as much fun as usual. |
| 16:40.30 | CBG | ooooh. |
| 16:40.30 | bryjen | neither was I |
| 16:40.36 | CBG | well 0 im ugly and fat. :) |
| 16:40.45 | ibunny | ur not |
| 16:40.50 | ibunny | ur cute sweet and chubby |
| 16:41.00 | CBG | I got two hugs of one girl who was out of her mind. Which is 5 more hugs than usual. |
| 16:41.09 | JeffM2501 | many ladies like big butts and they can not lie |
| 16:41.17 | CBG | big butts? |
| 16:41.22 | CBG | Im talking beer bellies |
| 16:41.35 | JeffM2501 | your too young to drink beer |
| 16:41.41 | JeffM2501 | and no you don't ibunny ;) |
| 16:41.57 | bryjen | didn't we cover that (alcohol) already? |
| 16:42.02 | CBG | jeff: too young? ROFLMAO!!!!!!!! |
| 16:42.03 | ibunny | dont talk about what you have not see |
| 16:42.03 | ibunny | n |
| 16:42.14 | ibunny | CBG: you are young ;) |
| 16:42.22 | CBG | ibunny: and fat and ugly. :) |
| 16:42.30 | ibunny | but i dont think this is revlevant for you to drink beer |
| 16:42.31 | ibunny | not fat and ugly |
| 16:42.34 | ibunny | i am. |
| 16:44.23 | bryjen | what got into her? |
| 16:44.34 | JeffM2501 | CBG, and if you arn't then you should have talked to the out of her mind girl |
| 16:44.42 | JeffM2501 | chat her up |
| 16:46.15 | jpa- | beer doesn't even taste good :/ |
| 16:47.08 | Birdie | !slap jpa- for saying something stupid |
| 16:47.10 | TheLastSpartan | Birdie: Hoookkkkaaayyy!!?!?! |
| 16:47.25 | Birdie | ~slap jpa- for saying something stupid |
| 16:47.25 | ibot | ACTION slaps jpa- for saying something stupid, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 16:47.31 | Birdie | ibot is my bud |
| 16:47.31 | jpa- | ibot! |
| 16:47.35 | jpa- | ibot <3 |
| 16:48.11 | jpa- | and it was just my opinion, you have no reason to physically hurt me for that |
| 16:48.29 | blast007 | oh cool, didn't notice that ibot joined :) |
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| 16:58.24 | JeffM2501 | where was the ibot? |
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| 17:57.49 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: so as of last night, i grok tnl |
| 17:58.16 | Tupone | ~grok |
| 17:58.16 | ibot | methinks grok is http://foldoc.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?query=grok |
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| 18:00.58 | CBG | Sorry I had to leave before... dinner was burning. |
| 18:01.52 | CBG | JeffM2501: The girl who was very drunk, didn't need any chatting up, but besides that, she is a friend and I don't fancy her. I also wouldn't want to take advantage... |
| 18:02.20 | CBG | and jpa- was right. Beer tastes bad anyway. |
| 18:02.26 | jpa- | :) |
| 18:02.53 | CBG | Thats why I don't drink it. |
| 18:03.03 | CBG | it == anything with alcohol |
| 18:03.04 | jpa- | CBG: just choose the cutest and nicest one and take her :) |
| 18:03.16 | jpa- | cider is ok |
| 18:03.23 | jpa- | while cola is better :) |
| 18:03.26 | CBG | jpa- hah. maybe that is my problem - I only like the ones who don't like me |
| 18:03.30 | Tupone | that seems a bit OT. or not ? |
| 18:03.32 | CBG | Sprite all the way :) |
| 18:03.41 | jpa- | ok tupone meanie |
| 18:03.44 | CBG | Off-Topic? Never! |
| 18:04.12 | purple_cow | heh, i remember having that point of view. i think it's a lot like coffee - until you find a drink you like, you think you don't like any of them |
| 18:04.28 | CBG | I have tried quite a lot of stuff... |
| 18:04.44 | CBG | all sorts of beers, wines... they're all yuck. :P |
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| 18:10.54 | Bunny-Bird | ~seen gina |
| 18:10.54 | ibot | gina <~gigi@23-162.241.81.adsl.skynet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 30d 19h 12m 51s ago, saying: 'Wurst mit Sauerkraut'. |
| 18:11.09 | CBG | :o 30 days... |
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| 18:12.45 | Bunny-Bird | ~seen tankitty |
| 18:12.45 | ibot | tankitty <~gigi@239.2-200-80.adsl.skynet.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 37d 20h 52m 19s ago, saying: 'ciao tutti'. |
| 18:12.49 | Bunny-Bird | even worser |
| 18:12.59 | CBG | heh. |
| 18:14.29 | jpa- | ibot is lying |
| 18:14.35 | jpa- | ~seen wondermop |
| 18:14.35 | ibot | wondermop <~Andy@dcn242-33.dcn.davis.ca.us> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 24d 18h 52m 37s ago, saying: 'have fun all :P'. |
| 18:14.50 | jpa- | see, and he was here 10 minutes ago |
| 18:14.54 | jpa- | never trust ibot :) |
| 18:15.10 | brad2901 | ~seen [brad] |
| 18:15.10 | ibot | i haven't seen '[brad]', brad2901 |
| 18:15.14 | brad2901 | err |
| 18:15.30 | CBG | ~seen jezza |
| 18:15.30 | ibot | CBG: i haven't seen 'jezza' |
| 18:15.46 | jpa- | ~logs |
| 18:15.46 | ibot | hmm... logs is http://ibot.rikers.org/%23bzflag/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html.gz |
| 18:16.11 | CBG | ~seen tuptwelve |
| 18:16.11 | ibot | i haven't seen 'tuptwelve', CBG |
| 18:16.17 | CBG | hah. liar! |
| 18:21.46 | Tupone | SportChick: for you, I am everywhere you want :) |
| 18:21.56 | SportChick | Tupone: awwwwwwwwwwww |
| 18:22.16 | CBG | :o |
| 18:22.18 | SportChick | Tupone: I am wondering if anyone has reported problems with the latest cvs server code as it works with windows |
| 18:22.37 | Tupone | is there any problem ? |
| 18:23.16 | SportChick | I have noticed and a few others who are on win xp that the latest server compiles seem to occasionally cause your screen to freeze for a few seconds, you drop your flag and then it goes on as normal for a while (sometimes the flag doesn't drop, but screen still freezes) |
| 18:24.35 | Tupone | do you have the latest build? or is not a problem seen directly by You? |
| 18:25.45 | SportChick | I have the special build that you or dtr or someone built for me |
| 18:26.08 | SportChick | I believe Nidhoggr has the latest build on secretplace, but one of the other players says he sees it on most every server |
| 18:26.19 | Tupone | ok, I'll try to build just bzfs for a test |
| 18:26.24 | SportChick | he was on 2.0.2 |
| 18:26.27 | SportChick | ok |
| 18:26.29 | SportChick | ty |
| 18:26.29 | Tupone | Nidhoggr does not have windows |
| 18:26.37 | SportChick | I know |
| 18:26.44 | SportChick | but it was his serever that we were playing on |
| 18:26.55 | SportChick | I don't know if it's the server side or the client side that is having the problem |
| 18:26.58 | Tupone | ahh so the problem is the client |
| 18:27.13 | SportChick | I've noticed it happening MUCh more since the secretplace server was upgraded a week or two ago |
| 18:28.00 | Tupone | I'll try to give you an upgraded client. My machine is poor so wait |
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| 18:30.19 | [brad] | . |
| 18:30.21 | SportChick | np - I'm working on bills |
| 18:30.27 | brad2901 | ~seen [brad] |
| 18:30.27 | ibot | i haven't seen '[brad]', brad2901 |
| 18:30.29 | SportChick | ping me when you're ready (I'm on a diff computer) |
| 18:31.30 | CBG | lol brad! |
| 18:32.13 | bryjen | the bot is not very observant ;) |
| 18:32.26 | CBG | Ya don't say... :P |
| 18:32.54 | bryjen | !seen [brad] |
| 18:32.55 | TheLastSpartan | bryjen: I have not seen Buy me dinner first.. |
| 18:32.59 | brad2901 | lol.. |
| 18:33.39 | bryjen | hmm. somebody claimed that feature was supposed to be disabled on that bot anyways... |
| 18:36.31 | CBG | time to finally play some bz. :) |
| 18:36.37 | CBG | bye now :P |
| 18:38.54 | bryjen | hrm. can someone else using recent CVS bzfs check and see what "/masterban list" gives them? |
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| 18:39.29 | bryjen | my bzfs doesn't seem to be getting the master bans, even though the start-up messages say it does |
| 18:40.03 | JeffM2501 | is there an error in the file? |
| 18:40.21 | Tupone | can you use ethereal to get what is travelling? |
| 18:40.32 | bryjen | i donno. bzfs gives no clue. |
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| 19:10.09 | Tupone | SportChick: http://bzflag.tupone.dyndns.org/bzflag.exe.gz |
| 19:11.25 | bryjen | there's a duplicate entry for the ip address 24.218.232.213 in the master ban file |
| 19:12.26 | Tupone | SportChick: and get also http://bzflag.tupone.dyndns.org/SDL.dll |
| 19:12.29 | bryjen | that does not appear to cause a problem, though. i've downloaded the master and am loading it via -banfile OK |
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| 19:29.57 | ibunny | herr TimRiker |
| 19:32.31 | Tupone | _Manu_: have you tested master ban if works? |
| 19:35.48 | Tupone | menotume: any progress ? |
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| 19:40.38 | _Manu_ | Tupone: yes it works, but sometimes the masterban list is gone from the server |
| 19:41.04 | Tupone | bryjen: raised a problem here |
| 19:41.47 | Tupone | s/:// |
| 19:56.16 | Pimpinella | _Manu_: it isn't reloaded after /reload |
| 19:56.32 | Pimpinella | you have to do it manually |
| 19:56.34 | ibunny | damm |
| 19:56.38 | ibunny | i feel ignorant :'( |
| 19:56.59 | ibunny | worng channel too |
| 19:57.00 | ibunny | :D |
| 19:57.10 | Pimpinella | ibunny: issues? ;) |
| 19:57.39 | ibunny | Pimpinella: #trivia und du weiss genau was ich sage |
| 19:59.09 | ibunny | see? Pimpinella ? you dont know :P |
| 19:59.54 | Pimpinella | didn't really get it, seems to be a quiz channel or something? |
| 20:00.31 | ibunny | haha look |
| 20:00.34 | ibunny | bunbun {MoxQuizz} The question no. 41 by serv is: |
| 20:00.44 | ibunny | bunbun {MoxQuizz} Hint 1: |
| 20:00.44 | ibunny | bunbun C····s····e··· T····y, t·· S····t·· T····y, t·· D····t····r· T····y, t·· C····e··· T····y a·· t·· P····a··· T····y |
| 20:00.53 | ibunny | * bunbun has quit (Remote closed the connection) |
| 20:00.53 | ibunny | ibunny hahahahah |
| 20:00.56 | ibunny | we broke the bot |
| 20:00.57 | ibunny | :D haha |
| 20:01.01 | ibunny | ok. |
| 20:01.05 | Pimpinella | nice ;) |
| 20:01.15 | ibunny | i shouldnt be this happy |
| 20:01.16 | Birdie | spamming, and that has a voice! |
| 20:01.23 | ibunny | i did the settings :D |
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| 20:31.23 | bryjen | i change the acccesslist merge function to return a count of bans added. on /masterban reload, 0 added :( |
| 20:41.05 | bryjen | what calls MasterBanList::finalization to put the bytes into the data variable? |
| 20:42.15 | Tupone | you mean what calls it? The end of transfer ... cURLMAnager |
| 20:45.16 | bryjen | ah, I see. the one in MasterBanList takes the place of the empty one in cURLManager? |
| 20:45.38 | Tupone | yeah |
| 20:45.47 | Tupone | it is virtual, at least it should be |
| 20:48.08 | Chestal | can someone build a bzflag windows binary for me? CVS with small patch |
| 20:48.20 | bryjen | says virtual void in .h, just void in .cxx |
| 20:48.23 | Tupone | only the exe ? I can do |
| 20:48.52 | jpa- | hmm.. with current cvs: |
| 20:48.54 | jpa- | mew bzflag $ ./autogen.sh |
| 20:48.54 | jpa- | automake: unrecognized option -- `--force-missing' |
| 20:49.04 | Tupone | jap, need to clean a lot |
| 20:49.14 | Chestal | yes, with http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/files/bzlog.diff please |
| 20:50.51 | jpa- | Tupone: hmm.. how? :) |
| 20:51.09 | jpa- | bah.. maybe a clean checkout will help |
| 20:51.23 | Tupone | make distclean ? |
| 20:51.36 | jpa- | make: *** No rule to make target `configure.in', needed by `Makefile.in'. Stop. |
| 20:51.41 | Tupone | I know you should remove missing, aclocal.m4, config.* |
| 20:51.44 | SportChick | ~bzflist bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 20:51.57 | SportChick | ~secretplace |
| 20:52.04 | jpa- | hmm.. rm missing helped |
| 20:52.07 | jpa- | thx tupo |
| 20:52.09 | SportChick | ~bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 20:52.15 | jpa- | or not |
| 20:52.49 | bryjen | you forgot bzflist |
| 20:53.08 | jpa- | bzfquery |
| 20:53.20 | bryjen | or that |
| 20:53.29 | Eowyn | ~bzfquery bzflag.secretplace.us:5255 |
| 20:54.10 | Tupone | jpa-: any progress ? |
| 20:54.11 | Eowyn | your local Elf to the rescue |
| 20:54.17 | Eowyn | :) |
| 20:54.22 | jpa- | Tupone: doing a clean C/O now |
| 20:54.37 | jpa- | Tupone: i might have done something silly with that source dir before :P |
| 20:54.39 | Tupone | ok, in an empty directory |
| 20:55.23 | SportChick | ah, thanks eowyn |
| 20:55.35 | Tupone | no, it is just updating to new autoconf/automake. I'm sorry, you have to blame me for that, but not too much :) |
| 20:55.40 | jpa- | Tupone: autogen.sh finished now :) |
| 20:56.07 | Chestal | Tupone: can you please remove the last liens of patch? the writeLogfile check? |
| 20:56.22 | jpa- | Tupone: no problem.. and try to learn not to confess so jpa will blame himself :) |
| 20:56.35 | Tupone | Chestal: ok, and what you do with that, it is ever called ? |
| 20:57.27 | Chestal | just always call LogState |
| 20:57.35 | Chestal | no variable check |
| 20:57.51 | Chestal | otherweise, people will have to edit their config file to enable logging |
| 20:58.20 | Tupone | I have the LogState proc, and a LogState call, what you want to remove ? |
| 20:58.34 | Chestal | just if (BZDB.isTrue("writeLogfile")) |
| 20:58.44 | Chestal | so LogState is always called |
| 20:58.54 | Tupone | I don't have that in the bzlog.diff |
| 20:59.24 | Chestal | ehm |
| 20:59.33 | Tupone | perhaps you changed before I d/l ? |
| 20:59.39 | Chestal | uhm |
| 20:59.48 | Chestal | must be an old diff |
| 21:00.30 | Chestal | please download http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/files/bzlog.diff again |
| 21:00.35 | Chestal | the if is already removed |
| 21:00.50 | Chestal | maybe the odl one was identical, but now I am sure it's correct version |
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| 21:02.54 | Tupone | Chestal: now, no call to LogState :( |
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| 21:03.24 | Chestal | oh my, I am messed up... |
| 21:03.35 | Tupone | I like it more, cause there is no offset in patch |
| 21:05.26 | Chestal | next try please |
| 21:05.34 | Tupone | np :) |
| 21:09.51 | Tupone | Chestal: http://bzflag.tupone.dyndns.org/bzflag.exe.gz |
| 21:10.07 | Tupone | Chestal: and get also http://bzflag.tupone.dyndns.org/SDL.dll |
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| 21:10.20 | Tupone | hope they work |
| 21:10.26 | Chestal | Tupone: thanks, but uhm :-) |
| 21:10.40 | Chestal | this is for peopel with potentially no knowledge at all |
| 21:10.49 | Chestal | put them in same dir shoudl work? |
| 21:10.59 | Tupone | I thought you just needed the exe. Yes |
| 21:11.13 | Chestal | yes, but I want it to give to other people for testing |
| 21:11.15 | Tupone | SDL in the same directory where you run bzflag |
| 21:11.52 | Tupone | SDL is not used, but I suppose it gives errors if not there |
| 21:12.28 | Chestal | ok, thanks |
| 21:12.31 | Tupone | SDL.dll can be put where the other dll are, or in the default directory. Not a windows guru, but I remember so |
| 21:13.00 | Tupone | and bzflag is compressed for my poor bandwidth |
| 21:13.17 | Tupone | you need all the other files too |
| 21:14.00 | bryjen | i've added some printf's to masterban::finalization, I don't think it's getting called :( |
| 21:15.10 | Tupone | and how it get the file, the first time? So not just on reload, you mean never |
| 21:15.34 | bryjen | correct. no masterbans at all |
| 21:15.39 | Chestal | ah, btw.: does killer highlight by underlinign work for anyone? |
| 21:15.56 | Chestal | I thnk it stopped workign for me 1 or 2 months ago, but I forgot about it |
| 21:16.13 | Tupone | bryjen: I'm finished preparing a server for debugging |
| 21:16.22 | JeffM2501 | damn it takes forever to set up a laptop for a trip :( |
| 21:17.39 | purple_cow | hmm, i need to do that |
| 21:22.51 | JeffM2501 | at least I get more the the laptop of the beast |
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| 21:22.56 | Zoyo | hi |
| 21:23.02 | JeffM2501 | hello |
| 21:23.33 | Tupone | bryjen: I found it :/ |
| 21:25.41 | bryjen | not good? |
| 21:26.08 | Tupone | well, I don't like to find my errors :) |
| 21:26.21 | Tupone | That's all |
| 21:30.04 | Tupone | bryjen: get it from CVS |
| 21:37.15 | bryjen | now it work :) |
| 21:38.18 | Zoyo | anyone knows how to reduce the lag on bzflag? I got an athlon 1800XP/GF2 MX (~50Frames per sec) but it's so terrible jerking that it is unplayable |
| 21:38.49 | JeffM2501 | OS and video driver? |
| 21:38.56 | Zoyo | somtimes i can rotate only in steps of 20 degrees |
| 21:39.40 | Zoyo | JeffM2501: Linux (Debian Sarge) nvidia-7174 |
| 21:40.57 | Zoyo | i can play nexuiz without problems. and if i press t it displays ~ 50 FPS, that should be ok |
| 21:41.36 | Zoyo | some month ago i got a GF4 4600 and got >200 FPS but it lags |
| 21:41.58 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 21:43.08 | JeffM2501 | in general, visual lag is due to low framerate |
| 21:43.23 | Zoyo | i play on tavern.rklubi.ee and there every minute a user "cron" joins and leaves... everytime it jerkes. if a fetchmail is working in background... it jerkes. its unplayable |
| 21:43.47 | JeffM2501 | does it do the same on a local server? |
| 21:44.02 | Zoyo | JeffM2501: no, it lags if i reduce the graphic detail on c64 wireframe level |
| 21:44.03 | JeffM2501 | that would tell if it's something on your system, or your network |
| 21:44.19 | JeffM2501 | I mean if you run a server |
| 21:44.22 | JeffM2501 | on your localhost |
| 21:44.24 | JeffM2501 | and connect to that |
| 21:44.28 | JeffM2501 | does it still lag? |
| 21:44.30 | Zoyo | hm |
| 21:44.35 | Zoyo | don't know |
| 21:44.38 | JeffM2501 | that takes the network out of the equasion |
| 21:44.44 | JeffM2501 | that would be a thing to try |
| 21:44.59 | Zoyo | i'm the one with the lowest lag on that server... mot time |
| 21:45.06 | Zoyo | ~ 50-60 ms |
| 21:45.38 | JeffM2501 | I don't think it's real "lag" |
| 21:45.42 | JeffM2501 | it's somethign else |
| 21:45.48 | JeffM2501 | something is messing up your input |
| 21:46.04 | JeffM2501 | if you stay still, do all the other players move smoothly? |
| 21:46.23 | Zoyo | no |
| 21:46.35 | JeffM2501 | wierd |
| 21:46.40 | JeffM2501 | try a local server |
| 21:46.47 | JeffM2501 | see what that does |
| 21:47.12 | Zoyo | can i run that with the same map like that on that server? |
| 21:47.38 | JeffM2501 | run a simple random map first |
| 21:47.45 | JeffM2501 | see if that even works |
| 21:49.48 | Zoyo | ok... have to read how this works |
| 21:51.31 | JeffM2501 | just type bzfs in a terminal |
| 21:51.35 | JeffM2501 | and then run bzflag from another |
| 21:51.45 | JeffM2501 | and connect to localhost for the server 5154 for the port |
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| 21:53.53 | purple_cow | Zoyo: if other local processes like fetchmail are causing your game to be jumpy, it's probably not bzflag's fault |
| 21:54.19 | JeffM2501 | yeah I am thinking that you just have other things that arn't playing nice with the game |
| 21:56.31 | purple_cow | if you're not on a preemptive 2.6 kernel, that may help |
| 21:57.12 | Zoyo | but what other things? i cannot switch of the hard disk to get this running. bzflag is the only game which makes problems. quake, ut, Nexuiz never had such problems |
| 21:57.44 | Zoyo | purple_cow: no, i tried this. no difference. |
| 21:58.17 | Pimpinella | ~bzfquery |
| 21:58.21 | purple_cow | chances are whatever's causing your system to be jumpy is doing a lot of I/O, right? |
| 21:58.28 | Pimpinella | ? |
| 21:59.06 | Pimpinella | oh, wrong command... |
| 21:59.07 | Zoyo | whith this local server i got this jerking too, not so much but without any fetchmail running in background |
| 21:59.11 | Pimpinella | ~bzflist |
| 21:59.39 | purple_cow | there's a possibility you've got something misconfigured (like no dma on the disk while things are doing I/O), and failing that, you will just need to turn things off while you play or get better hardware |
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| 22:00.51 | Zoyo | Pimpinella: i don't have lot of IO. only that of an idle system (syslog, irc, cron) nothing what raises the load |
| 22:01.00 | JeffM2501 | Zoyo, find out what is eating your time, and fix it |
| 22:01.49 | JeffM2501 | did you build your own or are you using a binary package? |
| 22:02.03 | purple_cow | i know that on my desktop (which is a reasonably capable machine) i can't leave my mail client fetching while i play, because it just takes too much cpu and IO |
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| 22:02.42 | Zoyo | hm, this should be a binary package. (Version: 2.0.2.20050318) |
| 22:02.55 | JeffM2501 | wierdness |
| 22:03.04 | JeffM2501 | what linux distro you running? |
| 22:03.09 | Zoyo | Debian Sarge |
| 22:03.16 | JeffM2501 | double wierd |
| 22:03.22 | JeffM2501 | works fine on my sarge systems |
| 22:03.31 | purple_cow | how fast a machine? |
| 22:03.41 | JeffM2501 | 1700+ |
| 22:03.44 | JeffM2501 | shuld be fine |
| 22:03.52 | JeffM2501 | he mentioned that at the start |
| 22:04.01 | purple_cow | hmm |
| 22:04.20 | JeffM2501 | probably just a lack of fung shue |
| 22:04.33 | Zoyo | as i said... some month before I had a GF4 4600 and despite got problems. |
| 22:04.48 | purple_cow | Zoyo: video card is probably not the problem |
| 22:04.49 | JeffM2501 | it's something on the system then |
| 22:05.02 | JeffM2501 | log out your CPU useage |
| 22:05.04 | Zoyo | dma for disks is on |
| 22:05.07 | JeffM2501 | see if anyting is spiking you |
| 22:05.21 | Zoyo | if i play the load is 3 |
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| 22:05.45 | newnick | scott4 |
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| 22:06.54 | Scott4 | hi when you get banned from a server what exactly gets banned ex. ip, isp? |
| 22:07.16 | JeffM2501 | depends on the ban |
| 22:07.23 | Scott4 | permanent |
| 22:07.23 | JeffM2501 | and how it's done |
| 22:07.27 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 22:07.30 | JeffM2501 | a server can ban an IP |
| 22:07.31 | JeffM2501 | a subnet |
| 22:07.37 | JeffM2501 | a hostmask |
| 22:07.40 | JeffM2501 | a username |
| 22:07.41 | purple_cow | a country... |
| 22:07.44 | JeffM2501 | the world |
| 22:08.13 | Scott4 | oh ok |
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| 22:09.52 | CBG | banning the world seems like a useful feature. :) |
| 22:10.20 | Zoyo | JeffM2501: ok, the load is 2, not 3. we are now 3 players on that servers and it jerks. *amok* |
| 22:11.10 | JeffM2501 | Zoyo, if you jerk in local server, then it's not the network or the server you connect to |
| 22:12.20 | Tupone | Zoyo: can you rebuild the application from source? |
| 22:14.48 | SportChick | tee hee - I just connected to secretplace logs from my phone |
| 22:16.14 | Zoyo | JeffM2501: no, i don't think that it's the network. must be something with something other. |
| 22:16.21 | Tupone | Zoyo: can you rebuild the application from source? |
| 22:16.24 | Zoyo | Tupone: yes, thats possible |
| 22:16.30 | JeffM2501 | Zoyo, it's your computer |
| 22:16.49 | Tupone | I wonder what happens if you change one line of code |
| 22:16.59 | Tupone | last CVS ? |
| 22:17.11 | JeffM2501 | you mean set B_LAGGY = true; ? |
| 22:17.20 | Zoyo | :) |
| 22:17.31 | Zoyo | configure --no-bugs |
| 22:17.32 | Zoyo | :) |
| 22:17.48 | Tupone | const int DRStateStable = 10; in Player.cxx put a bigger number like 100 and see what happens |
| 22:18.09 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, he sees himself as lagy too |
| 22:18.14 | JeffM2501 | so it's not DR |
| 22:18.26 | Tupone | ahh, I lost some bit |
| 22:18.38 | JeffM2501 | something on his sysem is ganking time |
| 22:20.21 | Tupone | Zoyo: when you said Load is 3 you meant 3 % ? |
| 22:20.38 | Tupone | while playing bzflag ? |
| 22:20.41 | purple_cow | Tupone: i think he means load average |
| 22:22.08 | Zoyo | Tupone: it is 2, not 3. but only when the window is displayes |
| 22:22.09 | Zoyo | d |
| 22:23.22 | Tupone | when you play bzflag? It is designed to dominate the computer, it is normally using 100 % of cpu, well unless there is some wait on resource |
| 22:23.38 | Tupone | but well it is normal to get 70/80 % |
| 22:24.07 | purple_cow | cpu will only be lower than 99-100 if your video card is slow |
| 22:25.18 | Tupone | so, that sounds to me like your nvidia is syncronized with screen refresh. Disable it |
| 22:26.21 | Zoyo | i tried it: load avg 1.5-2.2 , running processes were bzflag and top |
| 22:26.31 | Zoyo | hm |
| 22:27.29 | Zoyo | export _GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=0 ? |
| 22:27.57 | purple_cow | if it's 2.2, there's another process beyond bzflag and top that was running |
| 22:28.04 | Tupone | yeah, I'll try that. I like to use that set to 1. But I don't know if all cards are good |
| 22:28.26 | blast007 | could it be the sound system? |
| 22:28.55 | Tupone | sound system is another process, with SDL |
| 22:29.30 | Tupone | but I don't know if that can delay bzflag |
| 22:30.21 | blast007 | I just remember having issues with the onboard audio of my desktop |
| 22:30.47 | blast007 | certain games worked fine, while others had serious jitter/jerking |
| 22:38.14 | Zoyo | top shows xterm and top running with 0.2% CPU and bzflag with 98% CPU |
| 22:38.24 | Zoyo | that were all running processes |
| 22:40.14 | Zoyo | load 2.5 |
| 22:41.52 | Zoyo | if I try -mute it jerks too. so the sound system shouldn't be the reason |
| 22:42.12 | blast007 | k |
| 22:42.15 | Tupone | so bzflag have 98 % and 2.5 is the free CPU |
| 22:42.28 | purple_cow | Tupone: load average isn't % utilization |
| 22:42.41 | Tupone | and what is? |
| 22:42.47 | Tupone | I'm lost :( |
| 22:43.08 | blast007 | Tupone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_average |
| 22:43.19 | Zoyo | Tupone: the number of processeses in the run queue ore something like that :) |
| 22:43.24 | purple_cow | load average is the average number of processes which are in a running state across some amount of time |
| 22:43.39 | Tupone | ok I understand now |
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| 22:45.07 | Zoyo | are there some debugging swithes that bzflag can tell me where the bottlenecks are, why it hangs a moment? |
| 22:45.29 | jason123 | My BZFlag in mandrake 10.1 shows up on task bar and looks to load and never does |
| 22:45.31 | jason123 | then just dies. |
| 22:46.02 | Tupone | jason123: run it on a terminal. I hope it gives some info then |
| 22:46.47 | jason123 | It doesnt do anything in the terminal either |
| 22:46.55 | Tupone | Zoyo: we used to profile with kernel profile or with ./configure --enable-profiling |
| 22:47.22 | Tupone | try running it with "bzflag -debug" |
| 22:47.32 | jason123 | ok. Thanks |
| 22:47.43 | Zoyo | Tupone: ah, ok. thanks. I'll dig through the docu... |
| 22:47.45 | trepan | i believe --enable-profiling also requires --enable-debug |
| 22:48.04 | Tupone | yeah, not stricly required but it helps |
| 22:48.23 | Tupone | IIRC |
| 22:48.47 | trepan | uhm, the old configure required it, iirc |
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| 22:49.17 | Tupone | so do the new then< i didn't change |
| 22:49.32 | Tupone | s/do/does/ |
| 22:49.34 | Zoyo | hm, as I see... it's possible that this is a selfcompiled bzflag. here is a bzflag_2.0.2.20050318_i386.deb. I dont know which version is in sarge |
| 22:49.42 | trepan | it's near "Debug Rendering" in configure.ac |
| 22:51.00 | Tupone | ok, my bad :) |
| 22:52.26 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: so, i'm thinking |
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| 22:53.02 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: how does this sound: we pretty much just send player input events over the network, then everyone performs the simulation |
| 22:53.33 | purple_cow | at least, by everyone i mean server and client -- wouldn't have clients interpreting other client's inputs |
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| 22:55.12 | Tegan | mhi |
| 22:55.53 | blast007 | oh no, the 'm' disease, caused by talking to your teammates a lot ;D |
| 22:55.57 | Zoyo | ok, thanks for your help... tomorrow i will build a new package and test a little bit... |
| 22:56.21 | Tegan | :) |
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| 22:59.08 | Pimpinella | menotume: gu might need an admin |
| 23:03.33 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, so a client jsut says "I went forward" |
| 23:03.46 | JeffM2501 | and you pray they have the same time sync and position? |
| 23:04.41 | JeffM2501 | they found me a decent little machine 1.7 gig p4, gig of ram, 80 gig drive, 15 inch 1600x1200 display |
| 23:07.15 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: well, we'd use some prediction in there |
| 23:07.38 | JeffM2501 | what does it save other then saying "I'm here now"? |
| 23:07.39 | purple_cow | so if someone's laggy, they're the ones who end up with a jerky, unplayable game |
| 23:07.59 | JeffM2501 | what happens if an input event is dropped tho? |
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| 23:09.08 | purple_cow | well, by input i mean things like velocity info instead of position |
| 23:09.23 | JeffM2501 | again what if one is lost? |
| 23:09.24 | purple_cow | which the server can clip to allowed values |
| 23:09.36 | purple_cow | well, velocity is pretty continuous, like position |
| 23:09.37 | JeffM2501 | how is the new position kept current? |
| 23:09.48 | purple_cow | and the server would send back the position, so client and server don't get out of sync |
| 23:10.01 | Tegan | hi ibunny |
| 23:10.03 | JeffM2501 | figure any vel update can be lost |
| 23:10.16 | JeffM2501 | as long as it will handle that cleanly |
| 23:10.21 | JeffM2501 | and keep everyone in sycn |
| 23:10.23 | purple_cow | yeah |
| 23:10.33 | purple_cow | server basically tells you where you are, and you can say "i wanna go that-a-way" |
| 23:12.48 | purple_cow | of course, things like shots would be done reliably |
| 23:13.11 | JeffM2501 | I'm just wondering how it will deal with local prediction being off of client prediction |
| 23:13.24 | JeffM2501 | but what you are describing is basicly how quake does it |
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| 23:23.38 | purple_cow | JeffM2501: so it's not completely insane? cool :) |
| 23:28.37 | JeffM2501 | purple_cow, not it's not, it does allow a number of cool server side only mods |
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| 23:28.59 | JeffM2501 | quake actualy took it further and did things like visualisation on the server and told clients what to draw |
| 23:29.14 | JeffM2501 | in quake1 there was a fixed server framerate |
| 23:31.09 | JeffM2501 | now marathon, actualy sent the all client input to all other clients, like as in key presses, |
| 23:31.12 | JeffM2501 | that was wacky |
| 23:31.48 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 23:32.36 | JeffM2501 | any player could change there view to the view of any other player |
| 23:34.00 | JeffM2501 | you may just want the client to send a heartbeat of "I think I'm here" every so often too |
| 23:34.09 | JeffM2501 | just to keep it tight |
| 23:34.24 | purple_cow | i'm not sure we need that |
| 23:34.34 | JeffM2501 | maybe not |
| 23:34.39 | JeffM2501 | have to see how it works |
| 23:34.41 | purple_cow | we can update the client's view of their own position whenever an update comes from the server |
| 23:35.11 | JeffM2501 | again have to see |
| 23:35.23 | JeffM2501 | packetloss will be it's bigest problem |
| 23:35.32 | JeffM2501 | those with high packetloss will have the worst display |
| 23:35.39 | JeffM2501 | tho they will look fine to others :) |
| 23:37.21 | JeffM2501 | so your thinking of hit detection on both clients and servers |
| 23:37.38 | JeffM2501 | with the server doing the "j00 iz d34d" part? |
| 23:37.57 | purple_cow | no real need to do it on the clients, even |
| 23:38.25 | JeffM2501 | graphical effects |
| 23:38.29 | JeffM2501 | only |
| 23:38.37 | JeffM2501 | start the shot exploding |
| 23:38.43 | JeffM2501 | otherwise it may look to laggy |
| 23:39.09 | purple_cow | oh, you mean like a little dust cloudey thing where a shot hits? |
| 23:39.14 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 23:39.15 | purple_cow | yeah, might as well do that |
| 23:40.01 | JeffM2501 | otherwise little thigns that that would be over before respoince came back |
| 23:40.24 | JeffM2501 | there is allways "some" lag |
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