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00:06.25*** join/#bzflag Aribeth (~Aribeth@eacb02-00-cmmgga-70-34-176-23.atlaga.adelphia.net)
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00:56.58spldartGrr... I hate having geno in hepcat :(
01:00.03Aribethhi orchid
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01:00.50orchid|awayAribeth! hello
01:01.10Aribethjust got my internet setup here
01:01.12orchid|awayhmm, youve not been in irc in some time
01:01.24Aribethya, i moved
01:01.32orchid|awayahh finally, what did you get? dsl?
01:01.42Aribethcable
01:02.28Aribethim too far away for dsl
01:02.34orchid|awaywill you run servers still?
01:02.56Aribethim working on getting static ip addresses from the cable company
01:03.21Aribethfor now i still have my server at colomart
01:03.52orchid|awayyep, the dyndns thinghy works well too im told if you cant get a static one
01:04.29orchid|awayspldart: why? teamkilling?
01:04.32Aribethi prefer static to dynamic
01:05.02orchid|awayis your cable connection good? youve tested it yet?
01:05.23Aribethim testing it now. 1.5 mb/384kb
01:05.43Aribethi will bump up the speed sometime soon
01:06.18orchidwell the upload isnt the best for servers but would work with a reasonable player count I bet
01:07.15Aribethwell, i have off loaded the game server stuff to my dedicated server so the upload speed isnt as big an isue now
01:07.43orchidyep
01:07.58orchidhow long were you without internet?
01:08.34Aribethi was able to log on at hotels a few times
01:08.45Aribethother than that it was 3 weeks or so
01:09.38orchideww, long time
01:09.46Aribethya, :(
01:10.15orchidI went ten days once, it was terrible
01:10.35Aribetheww
01:11.30Aribethwithdrawals!
01:11.38orchidhehe, yep
01:12.01Aribethits good to be back. now to find a job
01:12.19orchidahh yeah, jobs :-\
01:14.00Aribethyep, thats the next step
01:14.48solemnwarningbzflag is impossible to play
01:14.55solemnwarningtoo many people using cheats
01:15.06Aribethit takes time to get the hang of it
01:15.22solemnwarningive been trying for 6 months
01:15.28Aribethwhich servers?
01:15.37solemnwarningbut ever single asshole in the game seems to cheat
01:15.48solemnwarningi dont memorize servers in my head
01:16.02solemnwarningsomthing.bladistic.somthings
01:16.05Aribethnot everyone cheats
01:16.08solemnwarningi know
01:16.13solemnwarninga lot do though
01:16.36Aribethwhich version of bzflag?
01:16.39solemnwarning2
01:17.02Aribethhave you tried secretplace?
01:17.07solemnwarningyeah
01:17.14solemnwarningi keep being kicked for lag
01:17.21Aribethohh
01:17.23solemnwarningeven though ping is ok
01:17.45Aribethwindows?
01:17.59solemnwarninglinux
01:18.09solemnwarningwhat idiots use winshit?
01:18.23Aribethwhat kind of internet connection? speed?
01:18.27orchidsolemnwarning: what is your ping on secretplace? also stick to servers with alot of admins, secretpalce, dub, hepcat, ducati
01:18.29solemnwarning3meg cable
01:18.36orchidsolemnwarning: and dont talk that
01:20.08Aribethyou prolly should call your cable provider. sounds like you may have a flaky connection
01:28.49cosmosor too many script kiddies on your block packeting away
01:29.58spldart<orchid|away> < No... just cuz it's bad enough to die when a flag get's captured but to be on the tail of an oppossing team member with your flag and about to make the kill recapture and blow up :( grr
01:30.33orchidspldart: ahh, well hunt the player with geno :)
01:31.13spldartI still haven't gotten good at keeping track of which flag is which teammember and which flag each is carrying while watching the screen and the radar and who is carrying what team flag :(
01:31.19spldartI just haven't gotten that good yet :(
01:31.58spldartIf I play just for score then I barely make it into the positive score. If I play for flag capture I always end up real negative but make a capture here and there
01:33.00spldartOne of these days I'll learn though... I have noticed that if I get GM or L then every member of the oppossite team comes for ME 8-0
01:41.35*** mode/#bzflag [+o brlcad] by ChanServ
01:42.48solemnwarningis there a way to shrink list of names to smaller font?
01:43.00solemnwarningin big servers i cant see cos of all names
01:44.27brlcadif you make the radar opaque, it will shrink the names
01:44.42brlcadthere's also a font size setting on the display menu
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01:44.53Aribethbrlcad, hello
01:45.02brlcadhi Aribeth!
01:45.06mobodohey, what was the web page to generate bzflag server configs?
01:45.06brlcadhow've you been??
01:45.21Aribethgood. just finished moveing
01:45.43brlcadhttp://db.bzflag.bz/cvs/misc/bzfs_conf.html
01:46.09brlcadAribeth: i see the exchange earlier with orki .. so all settled?
01:46.34Aribethmostly, next thing to do is find a job
01:46.37brlcadwhere you settle down to?
01:46.47AribethGeorgia
01:46.53brlcadeep
01:47.01brlcadthat's not quite what I was expecting :)
01:47.11brlcadnear atlanta perchance?
01:47.23Aribethyep
01:47.33Aribethi bit north
01:47.40brlcadI lived up in Decatur for a short while
01:47.43brlcadloved it
01:47.52Aribethahh
01:48.03Aribethim a ways north
01:48.15Aribethabove Alphretta
01:48.52Aribethi love it here
01:49.02Aribethmy back yard is a forest
01:50.33brlcadahh, that is quite a bit north
01:51.01Aribethyep
01:51.15brlcadhopefully the job you find isn't downtown.. ;)
01:51.29Aribethi hope not
01:51.35brlcadunless the distance is offset in $$ :)
01:51.51Aribethor if it is i hope i can telecommute
01:52.03brlcadthat would be nice
01:53.08Aribethim hopeing i can find a job like that
01:55.53brlcadso has the hunting started yet?
01:56.23Aribethnot yet. still getting unpacked
01:56.52brlcadhehe
01:56.57brlcadi like your priorities
01:57.27brlcadelectricity, computer, cable, unpack, look for job ;)
01:57.55Aribeththe house was a mess when i saw it. had lots of cleaning to do before i could move in
01:57.56brlcadthe way it should be
01:58.13brlcadahh, cleaning yuck
01:58.20AribethROFLOL
01:58.40Aribethand my car died in Denver
01:59.02brlcadno fun
01:59.08brlcadthat must have been one long walk
01:59.20spldartCan I turn on the names that follow the tanks around as I play?
01:59.26spldartLike observer
02:00.14brlcadonly as observer
02:00.19spldartokies
02:00.28brlcadotherwise that would be cheating
02:01.28spldartoh?
02:02.05blast007yup, would make it easier to identify team mates when you have color blindness, for example, or to point out a ST tank
02:02.38spldartah.. makes sense
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05:49.51SportChickwhat's up with bzflag.org?
05:53.40ruskiegood morrow all
05:54.51GvzEvxreSportChick: work here.
05:55.03GvzEvxreer works...
05:55.24SportChickGvzEvxre: it's been off and on all night here - can't get to it to authenticate in-game
05:55.42SportChickand I'm a hop-skip-and-a-jump away
05:56.44GvzEvxrehmm. well, authentication is not bzflag.org it's my.bzflag.org. that reports 133 day uptime. low load. ie: looks fine.
05:56.59SportChickhrph
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06:10.17jolie*YAWN* morning
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09:29.17ruskie~bzfquery viper.pimpi.org:5158
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12:04.10CIA-3BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (include/cURLManager.h src/common/cURLManager.cxx): Add performWait method, calling for a transfer and waiting until ended
12:05.20CIA-3BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (BZWReader.cxx BZWReader.h): Using cURLManager instead of URLManager
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12:30.36CIA-3BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/BZWReader.cxx: I forget a call to cURLManager constructor
12:35.18CIA-3BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/ (MasterBanList.cxx MasterBanList.h): Using cURLManager
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12:40.45CIA-3BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Removing URLManager
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13:41.39brlcadMeBigFatGuy: day off?
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14:27.03CIA-3BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/common/Makefile.am: removed wrong file
14:29.21menotumeok, who made the 'BzBowl' map ?
14:32.24Chestalfantastic map? sounds like LouMan :-)
14:33.05Chestalhis maps are sure neat, at least on the eye candy and originiality scale, haven't ever really tried to play on one, though
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14:35.17Tuponemenotume: I pinged you
14:35.29menotumeoh, sry
14:35.33menotume(pong)
14:35.36Tupone:)
14:35.39menotumehehe
14:35.41Thumper_menotume: yup that would be LouMan
14:35.49menotumegood stuff
14:36.07Tuponedid you meant to left the Y1: ..... debug 1 things on HUD-renderer ?
14:36.13menotumeTupone: I found rpms for the mingw stuff
14:36.21Tuponeahh, great
14:36.21menotumeohhhh, no :(
14:36.28menotumeoops
14:36.35menotumeI'll fix
14:36.39Tuponeand the Hunt things, have you tested?
14:36.49menotumehunt things ?
14:36.56Tuponetry to hunt someone
14:37.17menotumehmm
14:38.30Tuponewhenever you get on testing cross-building for windows, do you mind fixing/updating README.XMINGW
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14:38.54menotumenot at all, althiugh my installation was different
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14:40.07Tuponebut prolly mine is the most different from others. Prolly we could talk a distribution indipendent language there
14:40.26Bagheera(probably)
14:40.32Tupone:( too much prolly
14:40.34CIA-3BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h): Remove unwanted DEBUG1.
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14:41.04Bagheera:)    .....just making sure DTRemenak didnt change my dictionary again
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14:41.50menotumecrap, i commit other changes :(
14:41.58menotumei fix again :(
14:42.33bz4185hi
14:43.37bz4185bye
14:43.59Birdieif all annoying yugis would only do like that:)
14:45.46Bagheerapull!
14:46.44Birdieif you only say it once a day
14:46.46Birdie:)
14:56.39CIA-3BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/ (HUDRenderer.cxx HUDRenderer.h): Remove unwanted changes (my working copies).
14:58.44menotumeplaynig.cxx doesn't compile right now ?
15:00.03Bagheeratry playing.cxx
15:02.01menotume:)
15:02.11menotumeTupone: hunt mode seems to work for me
15:02.33menotumewell, in 2-days ago version, anywy
15:02.46TuponeIt seems that is occluding part of the score
15:02.55menotumei'll test more when compile works
15:03.03menotumeohhhhhh
15:03.09menotumeok, gotya
15:03.10Tupone:)
15:03.16menotumethx !!
15:03.30Chestalwhy doesn't it compile for you?
15:05.47menotumeplaying.cxx:184: error: expected constructor, destructor, or type conversion before '*' token
15:05.57menotumeand more ...
15:06.08BearPersonmissing headers?
15:06.10menotumeah, wait
15:06.21menotumeya, need to update a level higher :P
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15:11.29ToughShooterPing Aribeth
15:17.22menotumeNOW I know what that extra space was for :)
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15:26.43CIA-3BZFlag: 03menotume * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: Fix scoreboard display (Allow room for 'Hunt->' label)
15:26.46menotume~Tupone++
15:27.09Tuponeno need for a ++, I just use it and complain
15:27.19menotumegood job finding that :)
15:27.31AribethToughShooter pong
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15:31.13BearPersonwhen I'm cop I sometimes get "signed off from ...", sometimes just "signed off"
15:31.53BearPersonwhich is annoying... I tend to put suspected TKers/cheaters' IP on highlight... sometimes I have to scroll up all the way to find it/can't find it anymore
15:32.20BearPersonI suspect the client only saves the initial IP info, then doesn't care about later joins
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15:59.48CBGJeffM2501: "call of honour" wants you to check your messages at brad2901.shorty114.net ;)
16:00.01JeffM2501I know
16:00.05JeffM2501I get an email
16:00.12JeffM2501when he sends me stuff
16:00.20JeffM2501he sent me something like yesterday
16:00.25CBGOkies :)
16:00.37JeffM2501his last message didn't even warant a responce
16:00.42JeffM2501when did he tell you this?
16:01.02CBGWed Jun 01, 2005 11:13 am
16:02.45JeffM2501so like 3 days ago for you?
16:03.52CBGIts Jun 02 today...
16:04.04JeffM2501ok
16:04.07CBGSo was about 30 hrs ago
16:04.13JeffM2501old news :)
16:05.03JeffM2501he wants to get back on bzbb just to ask people to host his map made by him and his "associates"
16:05.08JeffM2501who he will not name
16:05.10CBGWell, I just saw a message saying "Cannonballguy: Do this..."
16:05.19JeffM2501he also let me know that "the clock was ticking"
16:05.22CBGAnd since im such a perfect guy, i did it.
16:05.33CBGRofl! Really?
16:05.40JeffM2501that's what he says
16:05.48CBGWhat a jerk! Sorry to have bothered you, mate.
16:06.16JeffM2501it's ok
16:08.36CBG~subdued
16:08.38brlcadthe clock is ticking
16:08.41brlcadit's lunchtime
16:08.46CBG~dict subdues
16:08.53CBG~dict subdued
16:08.54brlcad~dict betterment
16:09.17CBG~dict subdued more
16:09.18JeffM2501thismorning actualy sucked
16:09.21JeffM2501no water in house
16:09.23CBGgah
16:09.28brlcadheh
16:09.51CBGsubdued: low-key: restrained in style or quality; "a little masterpiece of low-keyed eloquence"
16:09.57CBGThats what jeff is today. ;)
16:10.08brlcad~dict 2 subdued
16:10.20CBGYay. Thats it :)
16:10.21brlcaddo the rest in private please :)
16:10.31CBGGrrr. :/
16:13.26bryjensubdude: n. a lieutenant of The Man
16:13.29bryjen;)
16:14.14CBG~blinky bryjen
16:14.15ibotACTION slaps bryjen on the head with a three-eyed fish named Blinky
16:14.28brlcaddammit
16:14.36CBGI beat ya too it?
16:15.27menotumeany1 know if there is a #define (or whatever) for max callsign length ?
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16:18.51menotume~minnowslap brlcad
16:18.52ibotACTION waves a small minnow in front of brlcad's nose
16:21.12JeffM2501is it time to go home yet?
16:21.19CBGNope. :P
16:21.30brlcadi think so
16:24.53Chestalmenotume: there is const int CallSignLen = 32   int include/global.h
16:25.12menotumeyay!, thx !
16:33.34Bagheerai guess it would be nice to story the chat log in the client to a file for admins
16:39.03JeffM2501why not make a server side loging plugin that logs everything by user :)
16:40.43Bagheerai feat the plugin
16:40.59Bagheeramuch like java and activeX in web browsers
16:40.59JeffM2501feat?
16:41.05JeffM2501it's C code
16:41.08Bagheerafear
16:41.09JeffM2501real code
16:41.24JeffM2501and they arn't sent over the wire, like those things
16:41.24Bagheerasure, ya say that now
16:41.33JeffM2501ok well purple_cow is making it python
16:41.38JeffM2501but it's not sent over the wire
16:41.40JeffM2501server only
16:41.51Bagheera~purple_cow++
16:41.59JeffM2501it's the same as applying a patch to your server
16:42.03JeffM2501just a lot easyer :)
16:42.23Bagheeraso i couldnt do a client plugin
16:42.31JeffM2501nop
16:42.49JeffM2501you could have the server log all things said by each person to a file
16:42.58JeffM2501then expose those files via web or something
16:43.22Bagheerayeah, not looking for that......just looking for a way to easily backtrack in a log while playing to track a cheat
16:43.26JeffM2501heck you could even have it send em all to a database, or something on antoerh machine
16:43.53Bagheerai dont think Nidhoggr would allow me to do that to his servers
16:43.55JeffM2501hmm, well you cuuld make the plugin have a /showmethelast20linestheguysaid command
16:44.29JeffM2501server is the only thing that has ALL the text a client said
16:44.41JeffM2501tho seting up the client or bzadmin to log would be simple
16:45.13Bagheerabzadmin already has it IFRC
16:45.27JeffM2501heck purple_cow could put the last N chat lines for each player in his web admin plugin :)
16:45.39JeffM2501that would be kinda cool
16:46.16Bagheerawhy not just spawn child windows for each client and then save the logs from the web window
16:46.37JeffM2501spawn child windows?
16:46.46Bagheerapopups
16:47.44JeffM2501bzflag can run full screen
16:47.51JeffM2501it dosn't realy do windows
16:47.57JeffM2501or have the concept of them
16:48.09JeffM2501let the OS deal with the windows, in a browser :)
16:48.22Bagheerabut if purple_cow is making a web browser I/F, then it could understand popups
16:48.27JeffM2501no no no
16:48.32JeffM2501not web browser
16:48.34JeffM2501web server
16:48.41JeffM2501it makes bzfs into a web server
16:48.49JeffM2501so you'd login to it with a browser
16:48.53JeffM2501and have admin controlls
16:49.07JeffM2501so you could go to a page and see the chat
16:49.17Bagheera....ok, still not seeing a difference....
16:49.34JeffM2501in the end it's not realy difrent for the user
16:49.39JeffM2501internaly it's very difrent
16:49.46JeffM2501aka the client has no new code in it
16:49.57JeffM2501so it works with any version of the client
16:50.04JeffM2501also works on any OS
16:50.15JeffM2501and some people may want to spread it across more then one machine
16:50.22JeffM2501like I'd check the web on my mac
16:50.26JeffM2501and keep playing on windows
16:50.35JeffM2501read the chat on the mac, then ban him if needed
16:50.41Bagheeraagain, i am still a little lost.......if i can use a browser as a bzadmin, then why couldnt it have an extension for separating the chat into individual clients
16:50.54JeffM2501it can
16:50.58JeffM2501that's what I'm saying
16:51.03Bagheeraso am i
16:51.06JeffM2501it could show you all the chat per client
16:51.16JeffM2501so make it a plugin :)
16:52.18Bagheeraso why not have a selection that kicks off a command in the purple_cow plugin to popup  a new tab/window with the clients chat separated out, with headers of callsign/ip
16:52.35JeffM2501that's the thing, the plugin is SERVER SIDE
16:52.44JeffM2501it can't tell your client to do anything
16:53.03Bagheerabut i am in the browser now, no longer at the client
16:53.05JeffM2501and your OS allready has a command to open a browser
16:53.19JeffM2501how would a remote server tell your computer to open  a browser?
16:53.26Bagheeraits not
16:53.27JeffM2501or do you mean once your in the browser
16:53.31Bagheerayes
16:53.32JeffM2501in the webadmin
16:53.33JeffM2501ahh
16:53.34JeffM2501got it
16:53.37JeffM2501sorry
16:53.39Bagheeranp
16:53.42JeffM2501yeah popups are easy there :)
16:53.44JeffM2501tha'ts just HTML
16:53.49JeffM2501target=new
16:53.52Bagheerayep
16:54.01JeffM2501I thought you meant from your bzflag client
16:54.02Bagheerai just thought i was missing something like usual
16:54.06Bagheeranah
16:54.15JeffM2501yeah that's all just layout of the data
16:54.21JeffM2501dono how he's going to do layout stuff
16:54.29JeffM2501best would be like a template system
16:54.33Bagheerai started there with a patch to the client, but with a webbrowser i could do something similar, not the same though
16:54.35JeffM2501but doubt he'll take it that far
16:54.50Bagheerahe says he is busy
16:54.53JeffM2501client patch would let you stay in game
16:54.59JeffM2501but it woudl also give you less chat info
16:55.09Bagheerayeah
16:55.17Bagheerasometimes that might be enough
16:55.33JeffM2501patching clients is harder
16:56.14JeffM2501a /last10 <USERNAME> plugin may be helpfull
16:56.29JeffM2501shows the last 10 things a user has said
16:56.38JeffM2501in your client
17:00.29CIA-3BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/vocaliser/Makefile: vocaliser needs a *nix make file
17:07.04brlcad<PROTECTED>
17:07.57JeffM2501how many to keep?
17:08.28JeffM2501default to 20, making it take it as a paramater :)
17:10.30brlcadunlimited!
17:10.45JeffM2501just keep packing up a vector or something?
17:11.40brlcadwould have to prevent gobbling up all memory eventually, but yeah
17:12.01brlcador just pick a bigger number like 10k
17:12.16JeffM2501k
17:12.18brlcader, maybe 1k :)
17:17.33JeffM2501default to 1k, setable at load time :)
17:18.13JeffM2501hmmm
17:18.23Bagheeraok, at what point do you call to tell a person that they are giving out the wrong cell number............this woman must have joined a dating club or something, must be a good looker from all the responses, but its eating into my minutes
17:24.15Bagheeranice voice there brlcad......didnt know you sounded like a 40-something woman
17:25.04brlcadwhy thank you
17:25.33brlcadnot bad yourself ;)
17:26.56Bagheeranow you are scarying me
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17:30.43menotumehow about something like this for a 'ctf-moe' scoreboard ?
17:30.56menotumehttp://meno.zapto.org/bzcaps/ctfscore1.png
17:31.10menotumescoreboard only shows player with team flags
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17:31.51menotumeneeds cosmetic tweeking
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17:35.22menotumeand no, 'kramit' is not my real password :)
17:37.30BearPersonyeah, was wondering that ;-)
17:37.45Birdiemenotume: but there is still the possibillity for the real personal scores to look at them?
17:38.21Bagheerapull!
17:38.29Birdiei said once a day:)
17:38.41Bagheerawell, you asked for that one :)
17:39.20BearPersonis that the standard answer to "how do I XY?" ?
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17:42.01CBGDoes map making count as contributing to the bzcommunity?
17:42.16CIA-3BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/plugins/chathistory/ (5 files): plugin that lets admins see the last N chat messages a callsign has sent ( global, team, private, anything )
17:42.27JeffM2501CBG, if you let others use it, yeah
17:42.39BearPersonwow, thanks for that one, JeffM2501
17:42.50JeffM2501well have to see if it works :)
17:42.53CBGJeffM2501: Oh. goody. :D
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17:43.13JeffM2501CBG, why?
17:43.38CBGOh... No reason. :) Just glad to be helping out. :)
17:43.47JeffM2501uhhhh huhhh
17:44.54CBGWhich means?
17:45.37JeffM2501it means that trying to hit some sort of "rule" to get a custom rank won't cut it.
17:46.21JeffM2501but your maps are good, people seem to like them :)
17:50.17CBGStop talking through your ass, jeff.
17:50.32CBGIts map, singular, and very few people have seen it... :P
17:50.42CBGBut thanks anyway. :D
17:51.03CBGAnd whats this about a custom rank?
17:52.10JeffM2501it was a simple one
17:52.15JeffM2501I saw people use it
17:52.29CBGWhere?
17:52.32JeffM2501at least you didn't gank a model and call it yourown
17:52.35JeffM2501on some server
17:52.38JeffM2501I don't remember
17:52.42JeffM2501it was like right when you made it
17:52.49CBG?Wow... Someone hosted my map
17:53.07CBGWell. I hosted it for about an hour once... had about 4 diff people play... lag was atrocious though.
17:53.40CBG"at least you didn't gank a model and call it yourown" Yeah! I still dont see what Biya hoped to gain from doing that... :|
17:54.08JeffM2501he thought he had found a "secret" and would gain respect from making such cool models
17:54.31CBGWell... He did the opposite... Have you ANY resepct for him now?
17:55.15JeffM2501nope
17:55.24CBGQuite.
17:55.39CBGHow old is he? Over 13, presumably...
17:56.25menotumeBirdie, yes
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17:56.33JeffM2501or something
17:56.38menotumeI miss being able to see who is on my team :P
17:56.52CBGJeffM2501 "Or something" ??? Huh?
17:57.11JeffM2501I'm sure his phisical age is over 13
17:57.18blast007:)
17:57.24CBGOoooh.... :)
17:57.42CBGNot very nice... Have the pills warn off, Jeff?
17:58.11JeffM2501huh?
17:58.50CBGI said earlier you were subdued - I mad eth connection that you had remembered to take you'r pills this morning.... remember?
17:59.08JeffM2501eth?
17:59.21CBGthe... :(
17:59.31CBG*** "made the"
17:59.38JeffM2501:)
18:08.25CBG~cbg
18:08.26ibotwell, cbg is a spam monkey
18:08.35CBGAwww man. Who change that?
18:08.42CBG~jeffm2501
18:09.06CBG~jeffm2501 is bzbb god
18:09.07ibotCBG: okay
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18:09.21CBG~forget cbg
18:09.41BenUrban~cbg seems to care what ibot thinks
18:09.46BenUrban~cbg
18:09.47ibotmethinks cbg is a spam monkey
18:09.49BenUrbanhmph
18:09.51CBGwell, duh!
18:10.07CBGibot records what everyone else thinks. :(
18:10.15BenUrbannot quite
18:10.17JeffM2501ibot forget JeffM2501
18:10.17iboti forgot jeffm2501, JeffM2501
18:10.28BenUrbanibot records what anyone else things
18:10.29BenUrban*thinks
18:14.30BagheeraGrumbler
18:14.39Bagheeraug
18:14.45Bagheeraww
18:16.03CBGDoes everyone else get an internal server error at http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ServerVariables ?
18:16.10TimRiker~wtf gib
18:16.15TimRiker~gib
18:16.16ibotmethinks gib is gibibytes, ask me about gibi
18:16.26TimRikerhmm... instant-gib ?
18:17.16CBGGoogle says: gib = A neutered male cat.
18:17.32CBGor: A gibibyte is a unit of information or computer storage. It is abbreviated GiB.
18:17.35JeffM2501bzflag is allways insta-gib
18:17.47TimRikersomething about getting killed with one shot. I just don't know what it stands for.
18:17.59JeffM2501it dosn't
18:18.04JeffM2501it's not an acronym
18:18.09TimRiker~dict gib
18:18.12CBGPerhaps: The virtual gore from an opponent when they are killed in a multiplayer game. ?
18:18.24JeffM2501http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibs
18:18.32JeffM2501aka giblets
18:18.35JeffM2501turkey parts
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18:18.47JeffM2501chunks of bloddy flesh from quake1
18:18.47TimRikerlike frag then?
18:18.50JeffM2501yes
18:19.04JeffM2501when you frag somone with overkill they gib up
18:19.05joliequake!
18:19.09jolieyou got my attention
18:23.41CBGI am having troubles with _maxBumpHeight
18:24.13TimRikeribot: gib is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibs
18:24.14ibotokay, TimRiker
18:25.26brlcadtank guts!
18:25.34CBG_mzxBumpHeight seems to be broken.
18:26.04CBGI have a meshbox 0.1 off the ground, I cant drive up onto it with default maxbumpheight (0.33)...
18:26.20JeffM2501meshes don't do that
18:26.24JeffM2501only real boxes
18:26.51CBGOooh. Well, thats stoopid. :(
18:27.05JeffM2501patches welcome
18:27.14CBG~pw
18:27.15ibotmethinks patches welcome is a common response by maintainers of Open Source products. It's roughly means "We don't have much time on our hands, so if you write that feature and send it to us we will likely roll it in. If you don't have the time to write it, we don't either. Stop asking for it."
18:27.17CBGYes yes... :(
18:27.52CBGHow difficult is it to implement it for meshboxes the same as for regular boxes? :(
18:28.17JeffM2501I dono
18:28.20JeffM2501look at the code
18:28.36CBGI don't and won't know C++ for some time...
18:28.44JeffM2501then for you, realy realy hard
18:29.01CBGBut for you guys...?
18:29.24JeffM2501the answer would be difernt for every person
18:30.04CBGMy point is, it works for boxes, it surely cant be too difficult to get it to work for meshboxes which are pretty similar
18:30.18CBGHmm?
18:30.23jolieheh
18:30.33JeffM2501so you are an expert on how the inards of bzflag works?
18:30.39CBGNo... :(
18:30.41JeffM2501saying that they are prety similar?
18:30.47JeffM2501then how can you make that statement?
18:30.56CBGGeez... Sorry I spoke.
18:31.09JeffM2501they use a difrent base primitive
18:31.15JeffM2501this is why they are not hooked up
18:31.20CBGWait...
18:31.25CBGbase primitive?
18:31.31CBGwhat are not hoooked up?
18:31.35JeffM2501you know how only meshes can have pydrivers?
18:31.40JeffM2501the bump thing
18:32.24CBGMy point was... can you not take the bump feature of the boxes and the diffuse, etc features of the meshboxes and make them all apply to a superbox ?
18:32.25brlcadif it were as easy as you imply, someone would have already done it
18:32.42JeffM2501meshes have there own physics section
18:32.48JeffM2501so it is not "simple"
18:32.57JeffM2501as brlcad said, if it was, it would have been done allready
18:33.04CBGok ok...
18:33.25CBGI will say this, then shut up: If you can make boxes do it, why not meshboxes?
18:33.39JeffM2501because meshes are difrent
18:33.44JeffM2501it's not that we CAN"T
18:33.47JeffM2501it's just we haven't
18:33.52JeffM2501anything can be done
18:33.57JeffM2501it just takes time and somone to code it
18:34.31JeffM2501meshes are difrent enough that when the bump was put in for boxes, it was time consuming enough for meshes that the dev chose not to do it.
18:34.55Bagheerai am sure that if you paid trepan a weeks salary he wouldnt mind putting it it
18:34.57Bagheerain
18:35.01JeffM2501or the bump was put in before the meshes
18:35.09JeffM2501and it was never put in for meshes
18:35.15CBGOk :) But bang goes the idea of a Monopoly board. :(
18:37.44Bagheerathere are other ways.......just think, let the bz spirit enter you and enlighten your mind............
18:38.34TimRikerCBG: why? you can put in a single box with a large texture, then add meshes for the various playing pieces. it'd be cool.
18:40.00CBGTimRiker: I am very new to moddeling. I would much rather have dont it with bz objects.
18:41.53BagheeraCBG, that is a very funky statement
18:42.05CBGFunky? O.o
18:43.58jpa_TimRiker: i think he complains about not being able to have texture _and_ drive on a bump on the same box
18:44.29CBGYes. :)
18:44.48jpa_while i would just put normal boxes in the edges, shouldn't look that bad either
18:45.17jpa_while may be difficult if writing by hand and not with bzmap etc.
18:45.32blast007or put a drive-through 0.1 tall meshbox on top of regular boxes
18:45.56jpa_blast007: or a single face maybe?
18:46.07CBGOh... drivethrough... DUH!
18:46.18CBGThanks guys.
18:46.31TimRikerbe careful what burrow looks like if you try that on the ground.
18:46.48blast007jpa_: yeah, that too
18:47.28CBGBurrow doesnt work on objects?
18:47.42CBGThe whole map would be covered with the "base" of the monopoly board... :)
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19:38.41JeffM2501TimRiker, do you mind if we install subversion on mbo for plugins?
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19:56.35TimRikerJeffM2501: nope. it's not my box though.
19:56.47JeffM2501I know
19:56.53JeffM2501gonna get nid's permision too
19:56.59JeffM2501just wanted to check with you first
19:57.00TimRikerk
19:57.46JeffM2501and wasn't sure if you wanted plugin sources in cvs or not
19:58.29JeffM2501like in main tree, or in a plugins project, or whatnot
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20:29.06BIYAIm going to TRY an make this simple.  I got the inside and outside points in the hill file.  But I still cant touch the hill.  I guess I got one of the points wrong?
20:29.26BIYAOr unless I typed them in wrong
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20:32.00BIYAThis should'nt take long trepan
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20:33.51BIYA:)
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20:39.47brlcadJeffM2501: you're welcome to use .bz too
20:40.06brlcadthough another cvs module would seem like a great choice to me, already set up
20:41.45JeffM2501purple sugested svn
20:41.55JeffM2501but what ever
20:42.31JeffM2501so just a /plugins/ in the root
20:44.43brlcadyeah, makes no difference to me either -- just less work
20:50.42BearPersonhey, new piratebay.org up
20:51.46JeffM2501was thinking not SF so that non devs could commit to it
20:52.04JeffM2501like keep a more open set of users for just plugins
20:52.07JeffM2501maybe make like user groups
20:52.23JeffM2501where you could have some that can commit to all plugins, or some that can only do there own plugins
20:52.26JeffM2501like super patches
20:52.40JeffM2501can CVS do that?
20:52.53JeffM2501or can SVN even do that?
20:59.32DTRemenakcvs can, and I'd be willing to bet svn can too.
20:59.55JeffM2501do we have that level of controll on SF?
21:00.03DTRemenakyeah, using cvsacls
21:08.49JeffM2501woudl it be better to do it in sf or on some other server?
21:08.58JeffM2501as in easyer to set up and maintain
21:10.24DTRemenakdunno
21:10.35purple_cowone of the reasons I suggested svn is because svn:externals would be useful if people write higher-level interfaces that other plugin writers can use
21:10.44purple_cowlike the twisted reactor i hacked together
21:13.03JeffM2501purple_cow, with svn could we have difrent groups of users, some that could commit to all projects, and some that could only commit to there own?
21:14.00JeffM2501optimaly, tied to bzbb user accounts and groups :)
21:14.17purple_cowmaybe?
21:14.20purple_cowprobably
21:14.26JeffM2501that'd be cool
21:14.40JeffM2501make a dev group that would have the sf devs in it
21:15.03JeffM2501and then people who wanted to make there own plugins could get there own groups
21:15.16JeffM2501and they just have access to there plugins for commit, yet can use the shared stuff
21:16.46JeffM2501I could just be dreaming outa my butt tho
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21:20.17BIYAIs there a way to make a zone for not just one flag but for multiple flags?
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21:21.28CBGWith the client config, can I define ANY key to say a team message?
21:21.34Thumper_BIYA: sure just list the flags for the zone
21:21.58BIYALike:  wg,gm,cl    ?
21:22.15Thumper_flag A OO PZ N SH MQ T TH V ID
21:22.31BIYAThank you :)
21:22.36Thumper_inside zone ... end
21:23.38BIYAwhat the inside zone for?  Never used it before for zones
21:23.55Thumper_um
21:23.56Thumper_no
21:23.58Thumper_zone
21:23.59Thumper_...
21:24.05Thumper_flag A OO ... ID
21:24.06Thumper_end
21:24.06BIYAheh
21:24.16BIYAnever mine
21:24.24BIYA:)
21:30.24brlcadDTRemenak: sf doesn't allow cvsacls
21:31.20brlcadso still the offer stands, more than welcome to use .bz for it if you want svn
21:31.41brlcador go with 'that other guy', I won't be too hurt
21:31.51DTRemenakI beg to differ
21:31.58DTRemenakhttp://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=768&group_id=1#restrictwrite
21:32.03brlcadthey changed their policy?
21:32.14brlcad'cause I looked it up many moons ago
21:32.16DTRemenakbeen like that for at least two years
21:33.02DTRemenakI set it up for bzfsgui at the very beginning, just to play with it
21:33.11brlcadooh, nvr mind -- I was thinking of a different cvs feature -- cvs users
21:33.21brlcadbah, my bad
21:33.33DTRemenakahh
21:33.33brlcadso yeah, it should be fine on sf then
21:33.54DTRemenakbut svn is cooler anyway ;)
21:34.06purple_cowaha
21:34.08purple_cowhttp://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.1/ch06s04.html#svn-ch-6-sect-4.4.2
21:34.37brlcadsf will move to it eventually, one's relatively zero-effort compared to the other
22:00.39Pimpijoin #subversion
22:00.52Pimpihm
22:07.46CBGCan i define a diffuse directly to an object? Or do I have to make a mat and ref it on the object?
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22:13.39menotumePimpi is a svn TRAITOR !!
22:14.18purple_cowsvn traitor?
22:14.49menotume:)
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22:42.11JeffM2501purple_cow, brlcad, DTRemenak well I defer to you all, as I do not have smarts enough to set any of it up. The best solution will be what is easaly maintainable
22:42.38JeffM2501if you have to edit a file on SF to set stuff up that may not be as easy as something we coudl set up on .org or .bz
22:52.35CBGANyone know if Jeffs on crack? Or is he right in saying that there is some way to define any single key to send a team message (in the client config) ?
22:52.46DTRemenakthere is
22:52.59DTRemenakyou don't even need to edit the config
22:53.06CBG:O
22:53.15CBGPlease tell!!
22:53.45DTRemenaksomewhere in options you can set two lists of quick message keys, one for all-messages and one for team-messages
22:54.18CBGBut for those you seem to HAVE to use the CTRL amd # keys or whatver
22:54.34CBGyou cant say for teammessage one, use key D for example
22:55.44DTRemenakprobably true
22:56.07CBGbummer...
22:56.11CBGwhy not guys? :P
22:56.21DTRemenakbecause you haven't written it yet
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23:00.48CBGg'night all
23:01.18blast007cya
23:10.17JeffM2501DTRemenak, so there is no macro abilitys?
23:10.32DTRemenakJeffM2501: not that I know of
23:10.33JeffM2501like bind f /playsnd j000mamma?
23:10.34JeffM2501k
23:10.38JeffM2501then I'll have to make some
23:10.42DTRemenakbe easy to add
23:10.45JeffM2501yeah
23:10.54DTRemenaklet commandmanager recognize "send" or something
23:11.04JeffM2501yeah
23:11.11DTRemenakbind f send "/playsnd j000mamma"
23:11.15JeffM2501yeah
23:11.31JeffM2501then the fun can begin :)
23:13.15purple_cowtesting is for chumps
23:14.37JeffM2501totaly
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23:24.33menotume~seen Pimpi
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23:25.04purple_cowyay! i love it when people discover the feature request tracker
23:25.38JeffM2501how bad?
23:26.33JeffM2501sweet baby jesus and all the orphans!
23:28.58purple_cowhehe
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