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| 00:40.39 | nichos | hi all, i have a few questions - how can i specify the size for bzflag? i do bzflag -window but thats too small, also, how can i move the window? holding the ALT key doesnt work like usual windows in my wm. |
| 00:44.08 | orchid | nichos: bzflag -geometry 800x600 -window |
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| 00:48.47 | menotume | hellos orchid |
| 00:49.03 | menotume | ooo, oops, bye orchid :P |
| 00:49.56 | Andy_Tompinks | lol |
| 00:50.08 | nichos | orchid|away how can i get focus back to my wm to move the window? |
| 00:52.39 | Andy_Tompinks | yeah, how? |
| 00:52.57 | nichos | ? that was a question |
| 00:54.16 | menotume | learner: wake up ! |
| 00:59.44 | orchid|away | hello menotume |
| 00:59.48 | menotume | :) |
| 01:00.03 | orchid|away | nichos: options/input/confine mouse |
| 01:00.18 | Andy_Tompinks | cool |
| 01:00.28 | orchid|away | options/gui/input/confine mouse maybe |
| 01:01.25 | orchid|away | wasnt there a kb shortcut to toggle that? like f4 or something? |
| 01:01.37 | blast007 | F4 minimizes the window |
| 01:02.35 | nichos | oh cool |
| 01:02.37 | nichos | thanks guys |
| 01:03.31 | orchid|away | ahh, yeah, so focus goes back to the desktop, which is good enough id imagine |
| 01:04.06 | menotume | orchid|away: were you one that had problems with menu rendering when radara size is bug ? |
| 01:04.21 | menotume | 'radar size is big' |
| 01:05.43 | orchid|away | menotume: nope, my radar is maxed out though but I dont have menu problems except the bottom line of the server list is always mangled, but its been like that since massive radar was introduced |
| 01:05.58 | menotume | hmmm, well i have a fix ... |
| 01:05.59 | menotume | http://meno.zapto.org/bzrender/ |
| 01:06.14 | menotume | ah, you would mostly see it if radar is opaque |
| 01:06.41 | Grumbler | still working on that opaque thingy |
| 01:06.51 | menotume | i think it's done |
| 01:07.07 | Grumbler | thoughts are dangerous |
| 01:07.18 | menotume | but, i don't want to commit untill a few devs review it |
| 01:07.36 | menotume | and maybe some kind soul makes me a windoze build :) |
| 01:10.07 | menotume | I figured that would put a hush on the 'room' :D |
| 01:11.00 | orchid|away | I have no windoes compiler |
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| 01:11.14 | Grumbler | i am so glad i dont have vc7 anymore |
| 01:11.20 | menotume | lol |
| 01:13.07 | blast007 | applying* |
| 01:13.14 | menotume | kewl |
| 01:13.27 | blast007 | is it based off of CVS? |
| 01:13.32 | menotume | yes |
| 01:13.34 | blast007 | k |
| 01:13.39 | menotume | this morning's |
| 01:13.41 | Grumbler | you havent eaten for at least 25 minutes right....you shouldnt compile immediately after eatinng |
| 01:14.04 | menotume | hehe - there's no rush to compile WinDoze |
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| 01:14.15 | menotume | i don't think there's anything lpatform-specific |
| 01:25.28 | blast007 | menotume: want kind of build do you want? debug, or release? |
| 01:25.54 | menotume | ahhh |
| 01:25.57 | menotume | release, please |
| 01:26.08 | blast007 | k |
| 01:26.09 | menotume | but, please don't do it if it's a pain |
| 01:26.14 | menotume | it can wait |
| 01:26.23 | blast007 | it's not |
| 01:26.33 | menotume | much appreciated :) |
| 01:26.35 | blast007 | I'm bored right now ;) need something to do |
| 01:26.38 | menotume | lol |
| 01:26.56 | Grumbler | if you can find out how my firewall got disabled...... |
| 01:27.29 | menotume | hmmm, time to portscan |
| 01:27.58 | Grumbler | ~pillow menotume |
| 01:27.59 | ibot | ACTION starts a pillow fight with menotume |
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| 02:19.38 | blast007 | menotume: http://bzflag.omegadev.uni.cc/builds/radarfix/bzflag.exe |
| 02:22.44 | menotume | YAY ! |
| 02:22.53 | menotume | thanks much ! |
| 02:23.00 | menotume | ~blast007++ |
| 02:23.47 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:24.51 | menotume | got it, now i'll try it for a bit |
| 02:25.00 | blast007 | k |
| 02:28.42 | menotume | uhohs, doesn't work |
| 02:28.50 | menotume | i busticated it |
| 02:30.27 | menotume | could be something else, i need to get latest windows build, and use with your exe |
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| 02:31.25 | Grumbler | i warned you thoughts were dangerous |
| 02:33.00 | Grumbler | man, i should have know today would suck |
| 02:33.11 | blast007 | menotume: what part of it doesn't work right? |
| 02:35.52 | menotume | never get the first screen, it just exits |
| 02:36.08 | blast007 | works for me |
| 02:36.14 | menotume | ahh |
| 02:36.17 | menotume | hmm |
| 02:36.40 | menotume | ok, i'll play around a bit |
| 02:37.52 | menotume | it clears the screen, starts to paint, then exits |
| 02:40.16 | blast007 | hmm |
| 02:40.38 | menotume | well, i'll have some other windows users test it tomorrow |
| 02:40.48 | menotume | some that use really big radars :) |
| 02:41.23 | blast007 | ah, if I run it from my 2.0.2 directory, it crashes like you say |
| 02:41.34 | menotume | ahh |
| 02:41.34 | blast007 | from from my CVS checkout dir, it works fine |
| 02:41.41 | menotume | ok |
| 02:41.49 | menotume | it myst need something else |
| 02:42.28 | blast007 | apparently the libcurl.dll file... |
| 02:42.31 | blast007 | let me post mine |
| 02:42.41 | menotume | does someone still do regular builds from cvs and post them somewhere ? |
| 02:42.44 | menotume | ahhh |
| 02:44.34 | blast007 | menotume: http://bzflag.omegadev.uni.cc/builds/radarfix/libcurl.dll |
| 02:44.49 | menotume | go it :) |
| 02:44.52 | menotume | got it |
| 02:45.46 | menotume | Bingo! |
| 02:45.50 | menotume | works, thanks |
| 02:45.57 | blast007 | :) |
| 02:45.59 | menotume | ~blast007++ |
| 02:46.38 | Grumbler | .cc ? |
| 02:47.06 | blast007 | free domain ;) |
| 02:47.23 | Grumbler | nothing is free |
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| 03:29.41 | orange | sneaky |
| 03:29.56 | orange | even used a temporary variable |
| 03:32.05 | MeBigFatGuy | brlcad ^= learner |
| 03:32.09 | MeBigFatGuy | learn ^= brlcad |
| 03:32.13 | MeBigFatGuy | brlcad ^= learner |
| 03:34.42 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: 03davidtrowbridge * 10bzflag/plugins/python/ (PyBZFlag.cpp PyBZFlag.h): add some untested code for binding capture events |
| 03:34.43 | bryjen | ding ding ding goes the terminal bell... |
| 03:34.52 | MeBigFatGuy | heh |
| 03:40.32 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt: finally commit toughshooter's sf patch 1118624 with german swear list improvements -- removed a couple of the merely 'damn' rude words and one easily conflicting (arch) |
| 03:45.57 | learner | hmm.. is there something wrong with my connection or is sf.net running really slowly? |
| 03:46.11 | MeBigFatGuy | sf is always slow for me |
| 03:46.42 | MeBigFatGuy | ... as is the rest of the internet |
| 03:46.50 | blast007 | it's slow for me right now |
| 03:47.09 | learner | I mean it's more than 10x slower than it's usual slowness for me right now |
| 03:47.19 | learner | every page takes about 2-3 minutes to load |
| 03:47.29 | blast007 | yeah |
| 03:48.11 | learner | MeBigFatGuy, any news on fixing that soon yet? :) |
| 03:48.37 | MeBigFatGuy | soon |
| 03:48.37 | blast007 | hrm, and I get a 404 when trying to go to the bzflag project page |
| 03:48.40 | MeBigFatGuy | no nnews |
| 03:48.47 | bryjen | i'm getting "down for maintenance." |
| 03:49.02 | learner | ahh, so it's just in the process of dying |
| 03:49.03 | bryjen | for the project pages. web and wiki are OK |
| 03:49.23 | learner | probably the new fangled stats system if I had to guess :) |
| 03:49.58 | learner | if I didn't have to wait almost exactly 3min/page, I'd click on over to check em out |
| 04:04.30 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/configure.in: try to not use libbind if libsocket was good enough (derived from linux resolver problems discussed in sf patch 1197856) |
| 04:06.48 | learner | would someone with a linux libsocket verify that gethostent is indeed a symbol in that library? |
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| 04:17.46 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/common/bzfio.cxx: quell format specifier warning on the struct timeval elements |
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| 05:30.12 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: Fixed Linux name resolution (server list) problem (sf bug 1197856) |
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| 06:08.15 | jolie | *yawn* |
| 06:08.20 | jolie | morning |
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| 06:58.47 | jolie | Birdie <3<3 |
| 06:59.01 | Birdie | Jolie <3<3<3< |
| 06:59.04 | Birdie | good morning |
| 06:59.14 | jolie | mornig |
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| 07:51.10 | _Manu_ | learner, good night! :) |
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| 07:52.53 | jolie | gnite learner :* |
| 07:53.09 | jolie | manu manu |
| 08:06.10 | _Manu_ | jolie jolie |
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| 08:43.58 | Birdie | http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?s=aadb03d4a96bbe329ba40eb851d27dd9&showtopic=11065 |
| 08:44.15 | Birdie | yugi is very believable.. |
| 08:45.17 | Birdie | ~dict believable |
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| 12:12.52 | bzflaguser | hi |
| 12:13.11 | apj | hi |
| 12:13.28 | bzflaguser | is there a low quality version of bzflag 2.0? |
| 12:13.37 | bzflaguser | is it a version or a setting? |
| 12:13.37 | apj | low quality? |
| 12:13.40 | bzflaguser | yes |
| 12:13.46 | apj | there is settings in the options menu |
| 12:13.53 | bzflaguser | ok |
| 12:13.55 | bzflaguser | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bzflag |
| 12:14.15 | bzflaguser | under the screenshots often theres "from the low quality version of the game" |
| 12:14.54 | bzflaguser | like this |
| 12:14.55 | bzflaguser | Taken from the low-quality release of the game. |
| 12:16.59 | bzflaguser | CGI:IRC is so cool- usually i HATE web based systems for things like IRC. but this one is cool :) |
| 12:18.57 | learner | that low/high quality refers to the data resources being used |
| 12:19.10 | learner | there is not a low quality of 2.0 posted anywhere, I believe |
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| 12:30.10 | Pimpinella | wow, somebody spent a lot of time for that wikipedia article |
| 12:30.48 | learner | mostly lan56 |
| 12:30.48 | menotume | learner ? |
| 12:30.59 | menotume | isn't it a bit early for you ? |
| 12:31.11 | Birdie_studying | or late:) |
| 12:31.29 | learner | menotume, it's something.. not sure :) |
| 12:31.33 | menotume | >3, apj |
| 12:31.33 | learner | either way, it's your fault |
| 12:31.47 | menotume | true :) |
| 12:32.02 | apj | don't blame menotume! |
| 12:32.25 | menotume | I have the big radar / menu text fix |
| 12:32.25 | learner | heh, and you don't know that I'm not kidding :) it will become more clear here in a few minutes |
| 12:32.27 | menotume | I'm trying to figure out if I should commit it |
| 12:32.49 | learner | niet |
| 12:33.25 | menotume | http://meno.zapto.org/bzrender/ <== for review |
| 12:33.31 | learner | already seen it |
| 12:33.37 | menotume | ahhh, okies |
| 12:33.45 | learner | applyed it last night |
| 12:33.51 | menotume | you did ? |
| 12:33.57 | menotume | wow |
| 12:34.01 | learner | didn't commit it |
| 12:34.07 | learner | was working through some problems |
| 12:34.13 | menotume | ok |
| 12:34.15 | learner | does underline work for you? |
| 12:34.25 | menotume | yes |
| 12:34.30 | learner | i'm seeing that it's in the wrong mode to render alphas for the underlines |
| 12:34.38 | learner | so they're bolded |
| 12:34.47 | menotume | eeep |
| 12:34.50 | menotume | what OS ? |
| 12:34.54 | learner | OS X |
| 12:35.05 | menotume | k |
| 12:35.58 | menotume | i was thinking i _could_ fog the panel(s) instaed of dimming them |
| 12:36.18 | menotume | but i believe that only works if quality is >= 2 |
| 12:36.47 | learner | i have a similar problem with dimming the radar |
| 12:37.00 | learner | it won't alpha blend at that point so it's just black |
| 12:37.14 | menotume | you added dimming to the radara too ? |
| 12:37.42 | learner | i did, though your glclear had the same problem too |
| 12:38.01 | menotume | ahhh, i had 0.5 instead of 1.0 |
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| 12:38.09 | menotume | i noticed that, and fixed it :) |
| 12:38.14 | learner | there's a state reset just before it that apparently seems to have alpha blending set off |
| 12:38.30 | ToughShooter | Yugi = Saturn? |
| 12:38.37 | Pimpinella | seems so |
| 12:38.39 | apj | ToughShooter: yes |
| 12:38.40 | menotume | yes, yugi=Saturn |
| 12:39.04 | Birdie_studying | lol |
| 12:39.07 | learner | the radar is a little bothersome regardless, something in it's own render call is not updating properly so I've been looking at that just recently |
| 12:39.09 | Birdie_studying | who his server is that |
| 12:39.18 | ToughShooter | no idea |
| 12:39.37 | menotume | learner: you are aware that the radar is not rendered if you are not connected to a server ? |
| 12:39.46 | learner | if you don't mind, I'll commit my modified version, and see what can be done to reacquire the underlines and radar from there |
| 12:39.46 | ToughShooter | ~bzflist 0.bladica.com:5156 |
| 12:39.56 | learner | menotume, well aware |
| 12:39.57 | menotume | sure, go for it |
| 12:40.01 | ToughShooter | ~bzquery 0.bladica.com:5156 |
| 12:40.05 | bzflaguser | ok leraner |
| 12:40.06 | bzflaguser | thx for answering |
| 12:40.10 | menotume | and, i'll try to help hunt it down |
| 12:40.19 | bzflaguser | learner* |
| 12:40.25 | learner | that's due to the radar desctruction after disconnect (and non-existance on startup) |
| 12:40.32 | menotume | right |
| 12:40.49 | learner | still didn't figure out why it "twitches", but I think that's the scene renderer calling a stale radar hook |
| 12:41.42 | learner | i almost have that fixed now |
| 12:42.10 | learner | working on making it work with a null radar so that something is drawn there, so there is a normal refresh possible |
| 12:42.11 | menotume | :). I'll grab cvs when you're done, and have a look-see |
| 12:42.20 | menotume | i did that |
| 12:43.02 | menotume | I added: sceneRenderer->blankPanel (); |
| 12:43.12 | menotume | and a call in drawUI in playing.cxx |
| 12:43.32 | menotume | that seems to work fine |
| 12:43.34 | learner | i know.. but I admit I went down this route since you'd worked around the radar refresh problem by just updating that rect .. |
| 12:44.10 | learner | the scene renderer isn't supposed to know about specific screen portions |
| 12:44.33 | menotume | k, gotya |
| 12:44.33 | learner | those globals (and couplings) made that possible, but would be a real pain later to decouple |
| 12:44.59 | learner | especially when we try to go to a different render engine later |
| 12:45.36 | learner | there's a way to do it in the radarrenderer itself, same logic pretty much.. the main loop just has to be given a radar |
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| 12:46.23 | learner | I also changed your terminology slightly in a few places to call it dimming instead of opacity |
| 12:46.27 | menotume | yes. i didn't want to change how/when a radar was instantiated |
| 12:46.35 | learner | where dimming = 1.0f - opacity |
| 12:46.35 | menotume | okies, np |
| 12:47.06 | learner | except in the fonts where dimming means something totally different -- still use opacity there |
| 12:47.07 | menotume | welll, it all sounds good. I'll leave you alone with it :) |
| 12:47.14 | menotume | unless there is something i can do |
| 12:47.40 | learner | there's always something you can do :) |
| 12:47.45 | menotume | hehe |
| 12:47.55 | learner | this is pretty cool, though, I admit -- nice work |
| 12:48.04 | menotume | thx :) |
| 12:48.26 | learner | only problem is something maybe platform specific and the radar, unless I missed something in your patch |
| 12:49.01 | menotume | I have a windoze build (thx to blast) - it seems to work |
| 12:49.41 | learner | i banged my head on a black radar for several hours last night |
| 12:49.42 | menotume | unless you mean the alpha channel, that was just an experiment for me |
| 12:49.51 | learner | found a couple other bugs in the process when it does that |
| 12:49.56 | menotume | ahhh |
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| 12:51.55 | learner | if I joined a team as a non-observer on an empty map, and then jumped to a busy map as observer, it would join me as observer but act like I should be playing (and I could get shot) |
| 12:52.16 | menotume | whoa |
| 12:52.33 | menotume | how could that be ? |
| 12:52.52 | menotume | an unrelated bug ? |
| 12:53.10 | learner | should be completely unrelated, but it was really nasty -- there are a couple variant too where i was joined as observer from my tanks' perspective, yet actually playing on some team (just couldn't drive, etc) |
| 12:53.21 | menotume | wow |
| 12:54.40 | Thumper_ | what does the _gmAdLife var do? |
| 12:54.48 | learner | not sure it's completely unrelated -- it only did seem to only occur when it had either your blankPanel() or my variant in radarrenderer enabled and when it'd draws a black radar |
| 12:55.16 | learner | still might have just been testing coincidence |
| 12:55.23 | menotume | odd |
| 12:55.29 | menotume | i will try it here |
| 12:56.04 | learner | so you didn't get radar dimming to work yes? |
| 12:57.14 | learner | i think that's still just the same problem of the state reset that preceeds it (there are WAY too many state resets being used...) that effectively shuts off the alpha blending |
| 12:58.38 | menotume | i didn't try radar dimming :) |
| 12:58.45 | menotume | just the control panel |
| 12:59.06 | menotume | as for the other, it may be related to something i _thought_ i saw the other day |
| 12:59.16 | menotume | cvs version (without my hacks) ... |
| 12:59.19 | Thumper_ | Is there a way to extend the range of GMs? |
| 12:59.23 | Thumper_ | but not regular shots? |
| 12:59.32 | learner | ahh, the alpha of 0.5 seemed like an attempt :) |
| 12:59.33 | menotume | when selecting a server from the list, it would connect me to the wrong server |
| 12:59.53 | menotume | yes, that was left-over from earlier testing - a mistake |
| 13:00.26 | learner | how so? it should have set 50% black over the radar |
| 13:00.38 | learner | it only doesn't because of blending being disabled at that point |
| 13:00.43 | menotume | it _should_ have, yes |
| 13:00.56 | learner | damn state resets |
| 13:00.58 | menotume | but, it always seemd to behave as if alpha was 1.0 |
| 13:01.22 | menotume | i forgot to go back and change it, till i saw it in the diff |
| 13:01.23 | learner | right, it doesn't matter what it's set to because there's no alpha channel blending enabled in the pipeline again yet |
| 13:01.33 | learner | you'd have to explicitly enable it |
| 13:01.35 | menotume | ahhhh :) |
| 13:01.47 | menotume | and, that is dangerous |
| 13:02.03 | menotume | i need to get GL docs |
| 13:02.32 | learner | well, you just have to enable it like the other parts to through the openglgstate interface |
| 13:02.48 | learner | since they may not have blending on their card |
| 13:03.09 | menotume | right-o, could be dangerous to other parts of the code, yes ? |
| 13:03.22 | menotume | unless i get the states first, save it, reset when done |
| 13:03.37 | learner | shouldn't really .. just put in the wrong places it can kill performance |
| 13:03.45 | menotume | ahh |
| 13:03.56 | learner | the state resets are killing performance as it is |
| 13:04.35 | learner | won't notice it on fast new cards, but the older ones are surely affected |
| 13:05.06 | learner | probably about a 20-80 FPS performance hit with all the font resetting going on, if I had to guess |
| 13:05.15 | menotume | yikes |
| 13:05.22 | ToughShooter | Thumper_: GMAdLife is thought for that |
| 13:06.13 | Thumper_ | ToughShooter: does it have a specific range? 0-1 or other? |
| 13:06.15 | ToughShooter | Higher values (>1) will make shots last longer |
| 13:06.28 | Thumper_ | 5000 didn't seem to change it much :) |
| 13:06.36 | ToughShooter | :o |
| 13:07.10 | ToughShooter | In my understanding 2 should double GM range, although I never tested it |
| 13:07.25 | Thumper_ | ok it doesn't seem to do that for me |
| 13:07.43 | ToughShooter | Have you changed another AdLife variable? |
| 13:08.07 | Thumper_ | ever? yes |
| 13:08.10 | Thumper_ | lasers for instance |
| 13:08.20 | Thumper_ | but not with the gmAdLife var |
| 13:08.38 | Thumper_ | hmmm that isn't very clear |
| 13:08.49 | Thumper_ | the olympic server changes laser ad life and that works (to shorten lasers) |
| 13:08.56 | ToughShooter | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ServerVariables |
| 13:09.02 | Thumper_ | on another server I'd like gm range to increase |
| 13:09.09 | Thumper_ | ToughShooter: thx |
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| 13:10.12 | ToughShooter | It should work the way described |
| 13:10.27 | menotume | if not, change the description |
| 13:28.21 | menotume | learner: this 'bug' has been in bz for years - no need to rush it :) |
| 13:28.25 | menotume | (get some sleep) |
| 13:31.35 | learner | blasphemy! |
| 13:31.44 | menotume | lol |
| 13:31.54 | menotume | I won't commit anything, i promise :) |
| 13:33.51 | menotume | is he gone yet ? |
| 13:35.05 | menotume | <CIA-12> BZFlag: menotume * bzflag/allfiles: comitted everything (126 files) |
| 13:41.34 | learner | heh |
| 13:45.28 | learner | the only thing i'm worried about is the bitmap renderer |
| 13:45.33 | learner | how does one enable that? |
| 13:46.19 | menotume | ahh. dunno |
| 13:46.41 | learner | ~fishslap DTRemenak awake |
| 13:46.42 | ibot | ACTION slaps DTRemenak awake up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 13:46.42 | menotume | lemme look |
| 13:47.51 | uso_w | useBitmapFontRenderer=true ? |
| 13:52.53 | menotume | yes, const bool bitmapRenderer = BZDB.isTrue("useBitmapFontRenderer") |
| 13:56.26 | menotume | yep - that works - looks ugly :) |
| 13:57.39 | Grumbler | oh, its slap DTRemenak day....sry, i didnt realize |
| 13:57.48 | Grumbler | ~fishslap DTRemenak |
| 13:57.49 | ibot | ACTION slaps DTRemenak up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 13:57.49 | SportChick | bye all - about to head home |
| 13:57.58 | Grumbler | bye SportChick |
| 13:58.34 | menotume | ~whaleslap DTRemenak |
| 13:58.36 | ibot | ACTION slaps DTRemenak upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 13:59.06 | SportChick | ~lart menotume |
| 13:59.11 | SportChick | ewwwwwwwwwwwww |
| 13:59.12 | menotume | eeeeeep |
| 13:59.16 | menotume | was it good ? |
| 13:59.22 | SportChick | ask ibot |
| 13:59.28 | SportChick | 'twasn't me |
| 13:59.32 | SportChick | bye for real now |
| 13:59.32 | menotume | :P |
| 13:59.35 | menotume | cu |
| 14:00.26 | apj | ~love menotume |
| 14:00.27 | ibot | If you love menotume so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 14:00.36 | menotume | lol |
| 14:01.54 | apj | ibot: menotume is not 'it', he is 'he' |
| 14:01.55 | ibot | ...but menotume is already something else... |
| 14:02.13 | menotume | ~menotume |
| 14:02.14 | ibot | rumour has it, menotume is me-not-u-me |
| 14:02.19 | menotume | yup |
| 14:03.31 | menotume | yep, that' what I 'hear' |
| 14:03.39 | menotume | men-o-tume |
| 14:04.29 | learner | me-noh-tüm |
| 14:05.02 | menotume | that's better, mean-o :) |
| 14:05.03 | apj | me-oh-dum! |
| 14:05.27 | learner | mÉh-noh-tüm is probably closer |
| 14:07.48 | apj | took you.. like 0:01:38? |
| 14:08.11 | apj | it took about a month for me to realize learner is brlcad :) |
| 14:08.29 | menotume | huh? learner is brlcad ? |
| 14:08.40 | menotume | muahwahawaha |
| 14:08.48 | apj | baha, good joke menotume :) |
| 14:11.33 | learner | how dare you compare me to that fool |
| 14:11.54 | apj | comparing identicals is so easy.. |
| 14:11.58 | apj | couldn't resist, sorry |
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| 14:16.30 | Thumper_ | _gmAdLife seems to work fine for ranges 0-1 |
| 14:16.40 | Thumper_ | anything > 1 seems to be treated as 1 |
| 14:29.03 | learner | woo hoo |
| 14:29.09 | learner | we have radar dimming |
| 14:29.14 | menotume | yay |
| 14:29.34 | menotume | i was gonna look at that next, but is much easier to just let you do it :) |
| 14:29.58 | menotume | using alpha when it draws, or overlaying it after it is drawn ? |
| 14:30.37 | learner | i was just about to give up and go the alpha when it draws route |
| 14:30.45 | CBG | Saturn / yugi / Death Valley Banned on GU: http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?s=deb2ad537a6630a16c3d0c8e9973bcd0&showtopic=11065 |
| 14:30.47 | learner | couldn't get the glClear to work at all |
| 14:31.00 | menotume | that would be more efficient, yes ? |
| 14:31.02 | learner | but it does work quite nicely to overlay a rect |
| 14:31.08 | menotume | not that it matter when you're in a menu |
| 14:31.44 | learner | it shouldn't really be any different performance-wise for a rect overlay |
| 14:32.02 | menotume | ya - that should be fast |
| 14:32.05 | learner | so long as nobody flushes |
| 14:32.21 | learner | which would be silly in that part of the code |
| 14:32.58 | learner | it's also less error-prone down the road, don't have to worry about someone adding another glColor without alpha |
| 14:33.10 | menotume | yes :) |
| 14:33.58 | learner | last problem is to give it a radar to render on startup |
| 14:34.17 | menotume | hehe |
| 14:34.25 | menotume | and, just leave it? |
| 14:34.38 | menotume | there's really no reason to destroy it, and create a new one |
| 14:34.55 | learner | yeah, that is a bit wasteful |
| 14:35.06 | learner | but probably necessary to "reset" correctly |
| 14:35.26 | learner | at least I wouldn't be surprised if something is expecting it to start from zero |
| 14:35.50 | menotume | yeah, don't need new surprises |
| 14:39.18 | menotume | learner: should that 'dim factor' of 0.5 be a DB variable ? |
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| 14:40.31 | learner | i don't think so myself |
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| 14:40.39 | menotume | ok, good |
| 14:40.41 | learner | but I did make it darker |
| 14:40.58 | menotume | ya, depends on your monitor gamme, i think |
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| 14:43.53 | menotume | hellos blast007 |
| 14:44.35 | blast007 | hi |
| 14:45.00 | learner | hmm.. |
| 14:45.04 | learner | this might actually work |
| 14:45.11 | menotume | :) |
| 14:45.25 | learner | there doesn't look like there's any particular reason to be deleting the radar that I can see |
| 14:45.56 | menotume | well, putting it in RadarRenderer is much better IMO |
| 14:47.12 | learner | interesting.. the control panel is never deleted |
| 14:47.17 | menotume | right |
| 14:47.27 | learner | ahh, scoped nvr mind |
| 14:47.41 | learner | it's a local var |
| 14:48.03 | menotume | if control panel were dleted, you'd lose all the msgs |
| 14:49.05 | menotume | i can see it now .... "may radar shows the wrong map" :P |
| 14:49.29 | learner | i meant _ever_ .. like when quitting the app |
| 14:50.36 | menotume | ahhh |
| 14:50.52 | learner | but that's because it's on the stack, so it doesn't matter |
| 14:57.32 | Thumper_ | Is the player "Saturn" being a problem? |
| 14:57.48 | menotume | he's a PITA to me, but not major |
| 14:58.09 | menotume | he asks for passwords, how to chngae his ip, a 'troll' imo |
| 14:58.31 | *** join/#bzflag blast007_ (~blast@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 14:59.23 | Thumper_ | he's asking me how to use server commands 'because he's an admin on "0.bladica" |
| 14:59.31 | menotume | heh |
| 14:59.37 | Thumper_ | I think I'll just stop helping him :) |
| 14:59.41 | menotume | is the worst choice for an admin |
| 14:59.49 | ToughShooter | He should be banned instead of being an admin, IMHO |
| 14:59.52 | menotume | you can try, but he'll keep asking :) |
| 15:00.03 | Thumper_ | he's trying to get the format of the /hostban command from me |
| 15:00.12 | Thumper_ | so he can ban a player... that matches the same isp he's using :) |
| 15:00.13 | menotume | refer him to man pages |
| 15:00.16 | Thumper_ | should I let him do it? |
| 15:00.24 | Thumper_ | I can give him the explicit syntax... :D |
| 15:00.29 | Thumper_ | then he'll ban himself. |
| 15:00.30 | ToughShooter | Noooo |
| 15:00.34 | Thumper_ | didn't think so |
| 15:01.28 | Thumper_ | he left :) |
| 15:02.11 | Thumper_ | is someone working on making Mute permanent? |
| 15:05.40 | learner | making mute permanent? |
| 15:05.56 | Thumper_ | that would be nice for "Saturn" :) |
| 15:06.09 | Thumper_ | like the way Silence works in bzflag |
| 15:06.20 | menotume | globalmute ? |
| 15:06.23 | Thumper_ | yup |
| 15:06.40 | Thumper_ | so saturn can play but not bother us |
| 15:07.46 | learner | i'd just let social controls take care of that |
| 15:07.58 | Thumper_ | that works too... just takes longer |
| 15:08.00 | learner | if he's annoying, tell him to shut up |
| 15:08.15 | Thumper_ | and I forgot he was annoying today... |
| 15:08.18 | learner | if he doesn't, kick him out or mute him |
| 15:08.24 | ToughShooter | leaner: Even seen Yugi on a server when making trouble? |
| 15:08.30 | Thumper_ | until I read his callsign and thought 'hey... I remember him' |
| 15:08.31 | ToughShooter | err, ever |
| 15:08.57 | Thumper_ | I've seen Saturn/Yugi on my servers but not making trouble... |
| 15:09.07 | learner | yes, though "making trouble" is arguable |
| 15:09.24 | learner | being annoying is how i'd probably word it |
| 15:09.24 | ToughShooter | Ask Birdie or cosmos ;) |
| 15:09.56 | Thumper_ | bugging people about being an admin or how to use his 'powers' on 0.bladica is it for me |
| 15:10.04 | menotume | ~minnowslap Birdie_studying |
| 15:10.06 | ibot | ACTION waves a small minnow in front of Birdie_studying's nose |
| 15:10.06 | Thumper_ | so yeah annoying covers it for me 2 |
| 15:10.16 | Thumper_ | eww smelly |
| 15:10.21 | menotume | hehe |
| 15:10.39 | menotume | sushi with bones |
| 15:11.00 | Thumper_ | smelly AND crunchy - the new and improved minnow |
| 15:11.38 | learner | just like anchovies just without the salt |
| 15:12.42 | ToughShooter | ~dict minnow |
| 15:14.59 | Thumper_ | apj: ping |
| 15:15.38 | apj | pong |
| 15:16.42 | learner | ugh, not deleting the radar is turning to be more complicated than I'd hoped |
| 15:17.20 | learner | it was doing that to reset the radar's world and scene pointer |
| 15:17.40 | menotume | hmmm |
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| 15:18.15 | learner | i've added a function to reset the world.. testing that now |
| 15:18.18 | solemnwarning | how can i use controller with bzflag? |
| 15:18.30 | solemnwarning | its /dev/input/js0 |
| 15:18.33 | solemnwarning | and it works ok |
| 15:19.01 | learner | input device menu |
| 15:19.25 | solemnwarning | k |
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| 15:19.52 | menotume | perhas when joining, one could destroy the radar (it is exists), then create a new one |
| 15:19.58 | solemnwarning | wheres that?? |
| 15:20.08 | menotume | options / input |
| 15:20.09 | learner | menotume, that's what it did |
| 15:20.32 | menotume | so, where it is created now, then |
| 15:20.35 | solemnwarning | options/input dont exist |
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| 15:20.54 | menotume | options / input settings |
| 15:20.59 | solemnwarning | nope |
| 15:21.04 | menotume | what version ? |
| 15:21.12 | solemnwarning | old |
| 15:21.16 | solemnwarning | not latest |
| 15:21.19 | menotume | heh |
| 15:21.24 | learner | then good luck :) |
| 15:21.28 | Linux_Galore | just wondering Im trying to login to Hepcat and it keeps rejecting my globally registered name and password |
| 15:21.28 | menotume | you probably need at least 2.0.0 |
| 15:21.44 | solemnwarning | 1.10.6 |
| 15:21.44 | learner | there was linux joystick support, but I believe you had to custom compile to enable it |
| 15:21.46 | menotume | Linux_Galore: is your account ACTIVATED ? |
| 15:21.48 | Linux_Galore | ps i have 2.02 |
| 15:22.02 | solemnwarning | why does everything need 2??? |
| 15:22.04 | Linux_Galore | menotume: ?? |
| 15:22.09 | solemnwarning | i like the servers on 1 <_< |
| 15:22.32 | ToughShooter | 2.x is so much better than the old versions |
| 15:22.34 | learner | 2.x has an input menu where you can just "turn the joystick on" |
| 15:22.35 | Linux_Galore | menotume: well Ive logged into my global account |
| 15:22.37 | menotume | Linux_Galore: http://www.gamesunited.de/ib/index.php?showtopic=11017 |
| 15:22.38 | solemnwarning | theres no rpm anyway |
| 15:22.45 | blast007 | solemnwarning: if you want the new features, you need the new version ;) |
| 15:23.10 | learner | or you have to compile it yourself |
| 15:23.29 | solemnwarning | why is there a deb but not an rpm??? |
| 15:23.43 | learner | and even then, it was a stab in the dark if the joystick would actually work |
| 15:23.56 | solemnwarning | and what 1 do i need to complile from source? |
| 15:24.06 | solemnwarning | there are too many links on dl page |
| 15:24.12 | blast007 | the source .tar.gz |
| 15:24.13 | learner | because nobody's provided an rpm |
| 15:24.20 | solemnwarning | ... |
| 15:24.33 | solemnwarning | why not get the rpm from a fedora cd? |
| 15:25.05 | learner | nobody cares about fedora |
| 15:25.10 | learner | j/k |
| 15:25.22 | menotume | solemnwarning: http://ftp.bzflag.org/bzflag/bzflag-1.10.8.20041007.tar.bz2?download |
| 15:26.02 | solemnwarning | i thought i needed 2.0 |
| 15:26.11 | solemnwarning | i already have 1.10.6 |
| 15:26.24 | solemnwarning | cos its included in fedors |
| 15:26.27 | solemnwarning | *fedora |
| 15:26.29 | menotume | 2.0 would be better, yes |
| 15:26.40 | Linux_Galore | see how we go |
| 15:26.44 | learner | you're not following :) you have to compile 1.10 yourself if you want a joystick in 1.10, otherwise go get 2.0 |
| 15:26.45 | solemnwarning | is there a way to make 2.0 connect to 1.0 servers? |
| 15:26.48 | Linux_Galore | <- santas little hitman |
| 15:26.52 | menotume | http://ftp.bzflag.org/bzflag/bzflag-2.0.2.20050318.tar.gz |
| 15:27.07 | menotume | solemnwarning: nope |
| 15:27.29 | learner | and heck nope |
| 15:29.15 | solemnwarning | ive ran ./configure |
| 15:29.22 | solemnwarning | and now im running make |
| 15:29.36 | solemnwarning | will it automaticly update icon in menu? |
| 15:29.40 | solemnwarning | kde |
| 15:30.41 | solemnwarning | ?? |
| 15:31.16 | Pimpinella | surely not |
| 15:31.20 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 15:31.26 | solemnwarning | so how do i run it after make?# |
| 15:31.31 | learner | but it will make you coffee the next morning |
| 15:31.40 | solemnwarning | <_< |
| 15:31.49 | menotume | make install |
| 15:31.57 | solemnwarning | that will update menu? |
| 15:32.00 | menotume | if you do that as root, you should be fine |
| 15:32.04 | menotume | nope |
| 15:32.06 | ToughShooter | It will install |
| 15:32.08 | solemnwarning | god make takes forever >.< |
| 15:32.15 | solemnwarning | so how do i start after install? |
| 15:32.31 | menotume | terminal window: bzflag |
| 15:32.33 | Pimpinella | and you need to run 'make install' as useer root |
| 15:32.41 | ToughShooter | just bzflag if the executable is in you $PATH |
| 15:32.44 | solemnwarning | i use root anyway |
| 15:32.54 | solemnwarning | and if its not? |
| 15:33.05 | ToughShooter | Path to binary ;) |
| 15:33.10 | menotume | just be root when you do make install |
| 15:33.10 | Pimpinella | well, you shouldn't use root in common... |
| 15:33.13 | solemnwarning | which is? |
| 15:33.25 | menotume | probably /usr/local/bin |
| 15:33.34 | solemnwarning | i use root cos of some problems with samba perms |
| 15:33.36 | solemnwarning | k |
| 15:33.37 | menotume | eeep |
| 15:33.42 | Pimpinella | /usr/local/bin/bzflag |
| 15:33.42 | ToughShooter | Maybe you could use grep for searching |
| 15:34.03 | solemnwarning | why does make take so long?????????? |
| 15:34.13 | blast007 | cuz it's building it.... |
| 15:34.14 | ToughShooter | Much code |
| 15:34.17 | menotume | because good thing come to those who wait |
| 15:34.25 | solemnwarning | how long on a 2ghz? |
| 15:34.27 | Pimpinella | because compiling is a difficult task |
| 15:34.27 | solemnwarning | amd |
| 15:34.33 | solemnwarning | 512mb ram |
| 15:34.35 | menotume | 10 minutes |
| 15:34.45 | solemnwarning | been running that long already |
| 15:34.46 | ToughShooter | 2GHZ doesn't necessary says anything about performance |
| 15:34.47 | menotume | ohh, 512? 9.6 minutes |
| 15:34.57 | blast007 | solemnwarning: having some patience...try building on a Pentium 133MHz with 32MB RAM :P |
| 15:35.11 | solemnwarning | lol |
| 15:35.12 | menotume | it's been 5 minutes dude |
| 15:35.21 | solemnwarning | that aint even powerful enough to run it :P |
| 15:35.23 | Pimpinella | i did that regulary... |
| 15:35.37 | blast007 | I wasn't building the client, just the server |
| 15:35.45 | blast007 | and it's more than enough for the server |
| 15:35.53 | solemnwarning | running make install.... |
| 15:37.26 | *** join/#bzflag longhair (~shane@pool-141-151-213-19.cap.east.verizon.net) |
| 15:37.46 | Pimpinella | let it grow |
| 15:37.57 | blast007 | hehe |
| 15:38.30 | solemnwarning | it runs |
| 15:38.32 | solemnwarning | but |
| 15:38.38 | solemnwarning | it wont look up servers |
| 15:38.45 | solemnwarning | it says hostname lookup failed |
| 15:38.55 | solemnwarning | before even 1 second passed |
| 15:39.21 | menotume | try again |
| 15:39.30 | solemnwarning | i have |
| 15:39.38 | solemnwarning | it just keeps doing that error |
| 15:39.43 | Birdie_studying | ~whaleslap menotume for not being able to do it while he was STUDYING:) |
| 15:39.44 | ibot | ACTION slaps menotume for not being able to do it while he was STUDYING:) upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 15:40.13 | menotume | do what, Birdie_studying ? |
| 15:40.16 | solemnwarning | how can i make it spend several seconds checking dns? |
| 15:40.30 | Birdie_studying | studying |
| 15:40.40 | learner | damn damn damn! |
| 15:40.41 | menotume | solemnwarning: do: ping my.bzflag.org |
| 15:40.57 | learner | an hour and a half trying to figure why the damn radar wouldn't render |
| 15:41.02 | Pimpinella | it would if it wouldn't get a response, but it just fails |
| 15:41.08 | solemnwarning | its answering ok |
| 15:41.12 | learner | and it's because of a stupid lil if (!radar) where I needed if (radar) |
| 15:41.21 | menotume | lol |
| 15:41.35 | blast007 | learner: heh, I do that kind of stuff all the time ;) |
| 15:41.36 | solemnwarning | bzflag expects dns on 0.00000000000000001 seconds though |
| 15:41.37 | menotume | learner needs sleep |
| 15:41.47 | solemnwarning | <_< |
| 15:41.48 | apj | learner needs hugs |
| 15:41.59 | Pimpinella | nah, it just fails... |
| 15:42.02 | blast007 | solemnwarning: it's obviously something wrong with the build |
| 15:42.17 | menotume | libcurl ? |
| 15:42.22 | Pimpinella | ares |
| 15:42.26 | Grumbler | will -d -d -d -d work with client? |
| 15:42.30 | learner | i need food probably |
| 15:42.31 | menotume | yes |
| 15:42.33 | learner | maybe coffee |
| 15:42.38 | menotume | `minnowslap learner |
| 15:42.39 | Grumbler | espresso |
| 15:42.42 | menotume | ~minnowslap learner |
| 15:42.44 | ibot | ACTION waves a small minnow in front of learner's nose |
| 15:42.55 | apj | me eats the minnow |
| 15:43.08 | solemnwarning | i left the build to de default |
| 15:43.11 | Pimpinella | but wouldn't build fail if ares dodn't do fine |
| 15:43.13 | Pimpinella | ? |
| 15:43.19 | menotume | it should |
| 15:43.31 | solemnwarning | so the default build expects dns in 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 seconds? |
| 15:43.37 | blast007 | no |
| 15:43.37 | solemnwarning | thats just retarded |
| 15:43.38 | menotume | no |
| 15:43.42 | blast007 | just your broken build |
| 15:43.42 | Pimpinella | heck, no |
| 15:43.50 | blast007 | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1197856&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 15:43.50 | Pimpinella | it gets a respond |
| 15:43.54 | menotume | i think it's actually 0.000000000003 seconds |
| 15:44.03 | solemnwarning | thats also retarded |
| 15:44.04 | Pimpinella | that your request failed |
| 15:44.08 | learner | or it's the libbind bug I just closed out last night |
| 15:44.08 | Grumbler | what does your config log say |
| 15:44.12 | Pimpinella | so it quits |
| 15:44.24 | blast007 | sounds like that patch fixed the issue, but it's probably based off CVS |
| 15:44.25 | solemnwarning | how can i make it wait 10 seconds for dns? |
| 15:44.30 | solemnwarning | my dns is slow |
| 15:45.00 | Grumbler | i think the point here, is that it is not necessarily the wait for your dns....it might be something else |
| 15:45.12 | solemnwarning | ffs |
| 15:45.17 | blast007 | "Compiling on fedora FC3 and FC4 the call to |
| 15:45.17 | blast007 | gethostbyname() in net/Address.cxx is returning NULL |
| 15:45.17 | blast007 | (found in debugger)." |
| 15:45.17 | learner | it's undoubtedly something else |
| 15:45.19 | solemnwarning | comiling from source sucks |
| 15:45.23 | solemnwarning | u should make an rpm |
| 15:45.36 | blast007 | ... |
| 15:45.44 | apj | ... |
| 15:45.45 | learner | how about just using 2.0 like a good boy? :) |
| 15:45.47 | blast007 | and if the source build doesn't work, why would the RPM? :) |
| 15:46.00 | solemnwarning | im trying to comile 2 <_< |
| 15:46.04 | apj | isn't there rpm builds from the releases? |
| 15:46.11 | Grumbler | yes |
| 15:46.13 | learner | why are you trying to compile 2?? |
| 15:46.15 | solemnwarning | if i needed 1 i would use the rpm |
| 15:46.19 | solemnwarning | yeah |
| 15:46.42 | learner | the latest cvs has a fix for the gethostname problem |
| 15:47.07 | solemnwarning | so you didnt notice that dns didnt work @ release |
| 15:47.15 | learner | or you can fix it yourself, edit configure.in and remove the line that has the word bind on it, rerun ./autogen.sh and continue with the build instructions |
| 15:47.17 | solemnwarning | even ms tests thier crap a little...... |
| 15:47.29 | learner | solemnwarning: damn, are you not listening? dns works just fine |
| 15:47.39 | learner | it's your system's libbind causing the problem |
| 15:47.53 | apj | dns works fine for me... |
| 15:47.56 | apj | yup |
| 15:48.03 | learner | emphasis on YOUR system causing the problem |
| 15:48.24 | apj | if our (their) crap is not good enough for you, don't use it :) |
| 15:48.31 | learner | easy workaround is to not link with libbind following the directions I just gave you |
| 15:48.36 | solemnwarning | which lines with bind should i del? |
| 15:48.39 | solemnwarning | there are 2 |
| 15:48.55 | learner | paste them here |
| 15:49.01 | solemnwarning | # LIBS="-lbind -lsocket -lbe";; |
| 15:49.07 | solemnwarning | AC_CHECK_LIB(bind, gethostent) |
| 15:49.10 | learner | get rid of both |
| 15:49.13 | solemnwarning | k |
| 15:49.25 | solemnwarning | now what? |
| 15:49.35 | Linux_Galore | ok thanks for the link it works now |
| 15:49.47 | learner | rerun ./autogen.sh and continue with the build instructions |
| 15:49.59 | solemnwarning | i never ran autogen.sh |
| 15:50.04 | solemnwarning | running....... |
| 15:50.07 | learner | it was run for you |
| 15:50.08 | *** part/#bzflag Linux_Galore (~logan1@60-240-127-145.tpgi.com.au) |
| 15:50.15 | learner | so you're rerunning it, though first time for you |
| 15:50.44 | solemnwarning | k |
| 15:50.57 | solemnwarning | should i do configure again after this? |
| 15:51.02 | learner | yes |
| 15:51.02 | apj | yes |
| 15:51.18 | learner | before configure run: rm -rf *cache* |
| 15:51.18 | solemnwarning | please dont tell me i need to redo make and make install |
| 15:51.27 | apj | yes, you do |
| 15:51.31 | learner | no, you don't :) |
| 15:51.35 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 15:51.39 | solemnwarning | :) |
| 15:51.51 | apj | learner: doesn't he?! |
| 15:51.57 | learner | woo hoo! menotume!! |
| 15:51.59 | learner | it works :) |
| 15:51.59 | apj | bah, evil joke? :) |
| 15:51.59 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 15:52.07 | solemnwarning | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:52.07 | solemnwarning | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:52.08 | guu | solemnwarning: I'm sorry, I was listening to AirSupply. |
| 15:52.09 | guu | solemnwarning: Huwwwwat!!?!?! |
| 15:52.15 | blast007 | ... |
| 15:52.20 | apj | ..... |
| 15:52.27 | learner | don't do tha please |
| 15:52.31 | *** kick/#bzflag [solemnwarning!~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc] by TimRiker (TimRiker) |
| 15:52.35 | apj | :E |
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| 15:52.52 | menotume | learner: yay !! |
| 15:52.54 | apj | TimRiker: i think you've got infected by jeff-disease :) |
| 15:53.08 | learner | solemnwarning: after configure run, rm src/bzflag/bzflag, then make, make install |
| 15:53.10 | TimRiker | solemnwarning: tone it down please. |
| 15:53.16 | solemnwarning | k |
| 15:53.38 | solemnwarning | re running make |
| 15:53.40 | solemnwarning | again |
| 15:53.43 | apj | learner: hmm.. what is the rm for? |
| 15:53.44 | solemnwarning | lol |
| 15:54.05 | learner | apj, it only has to relink |
| 15:54.26 | learner | so you remove the binary, and relink (which bz i think does anyways, but that's a detail I'm not getting in to) ;) |
| 15:54.28 | apj | ah, ok |
| 15:54.44 | menotume | 3matching, bb in 30m |
| 15:54.47 | learner | menotume, very cool :) |
| 15:55.27 | apj | i didn't understand the problem well enough then :) (would have thought that some binaries get modified and it relinks anyway) |
| 15:57.34 | learner | who added the new shot meters? |
| 15:57.38 | learner | that's pretty neat |
| 15:59.33 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ChangeLog: ws |
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| 16:05.22 | blast007 | learner: wow, that _is_ pretty cool :) |
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| 16:09.34 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/ (13 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:09.34 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: add a modified version of menotume's menu dimming. the radar is now never |
| 16:09.34 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: destroyed/recreated everytime we connect, the world is simply set/unset. when |
| 16:09.34 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: the menu becomes active, it darkens the chat console and radar so you can read |
| 16:09.34 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: the menu more easily. radar is dimmed via a blended dimming rect (assuming |
| 16:09.34 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: blending is on), chat is via alpha transparency colors to individual drawing |
| 16:09.36 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: elements. this fixes the radar garbage problem when using the menu and |
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| 16:33.08 | menotume | learner, can we get the GUIOptionsMenu change in there too ? |
| 16:33.55 | menotume | if yes, i can do it |
| 16:38.34 | menotume | http://meno.zapto.org/bzrender/GuiOptionsMenu.diff |
| 16:47.50 | PITA | ~learner++ (it builds:) |
| 16:47.54 | PITA | hehe |
| 16:47.59 | PITA | ~dict PITA |
| 16:48.25 | PITA | I'm the Pain in the Anatomy |
| 16:48.52 | Grumbler | so no yeast? |
| 16:48.59 | Grumbler | ...wait, i will take that back |
| 16:49.06 | Grumbler | i dont want to know |
| 16:49.12 | Grumbler | really |
| 16:50.25 | PITA | :P |
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| 16:55.16 | PITA | dim is VERY dim, matches the viewport window better :) |
| 16:56.02 | PITA | yum, thx apj. (i'm assuming you used the oral orafice) |
| 16:56.43 | orange | let's not take this line of discussion any further, eh? |
| 16:56.59 | blast007 | hehe |
| 16:58.34 | apj | PITA: actually i put it in your pocket |
| 16:58.56 | Grumbler | hope you used the pocket protector |
| 16:58.58 | orange | chicken with lint sauce |
| 17:00.42 | PITA | is funny, i'm making chicken wraps right now |
| 17:00.57 | apj | hmm.. some chili might be good with chicken |
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| 17:02.48 | Grumbler | decaliters |
| 17:03.23 | apj | desiliters actually :) |
| 17:03.31 | apj | deca would be dal :) |
| 17:03.41 | blast007 | 0.25 liters |
| 17:03.48 | apj | yup |
| 17:04.18 | Grumbler | not used to desiliters.....learn something new everyday.......and if you have a bad memory, more often |
| 17:04.28 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:05.10 | Grumbler | thanks |
| 17:05.58 | PITA | learner: I got a segfault exiting bzflag the first time i tried it, but cannot reproduce now |
| 17:06.35 | blast007 | PITA: hmm, I think mine crashed the first time too, and it hasn't done it since (on 'doze) |
| 17:06.58 | PITA | hmmm, last nights ? |
| 17:06.58 | blast007 | got the "referenced illegal memory" or something like that |
| 17:07.00 | blast007 | yeah |
| 17:07.11 | PITA | maybe something new in config |
| 17:07.25 | blast007 | I just thought it was cuz my firewall window poped up |
| 17:08.36 | learner | PITA: the options menu change changes gameplay so I wasn't so inclined to add it without some discussion |
| 17:08.39 | learner | impact/utility etc |
| 17:08.48 | PITA | ok |
| 17:09.02 | PITA | it's just that, that is what some people wanted :) |
| 17:09.07 | PITA | but, i understand that |
| 17:09.28 | PITA | i deleted my config, and still no segfault |
| 17:09.43 | Tupone | learner: hi |
| 17:09.47 | learner | ciao |
| 17:09.56 | blast007 | PITA: ditto |
| 17:10.02 | PITA | those 'some people' just edit the config file now :) |
| 17:10.15 | learner | no idea about segfault, no problems here |
| 17:10.20 | Tupone | I heard someone wants to put a delay on rejoining so it doesno tgive the erro |
| 17:10.24 | learner | probably something not getting destructed |
| 17:10.42 | apj | hmm... |
| 17:10.43 | blast007 | Tupone: yeah, though I'm not sure they are still working on the patch |
| 17:11.00 | Tupone | we put the rejoining just to make nervous the player that rejoin |
| 17:11.00 | menotume | :) |
| 17:11.03 | learner | i might be a pita, but I'm not PITA ;) |
| 17:11.24 | Tupone | so why put that in the client? |
| 17:11.58 | blast007 | well, it's sorta silly how it currently is |
| 17:12.06 | learner | there's already a rejoin delay, what's the idea? |
| 17:12.08 | blast007 | if it knows it will be rejected, it should wait |
| 17:12.17 | menotume | is better to be a server option, yes ? |
| 17:12.25 | blast007 | it should be both |
| 17:12.32 | learner | it is a server option |
| 17:12.42 | blast007 | prevents the user from having to hit "join" twice to rejoin |
| 17:12.45 | Tupone | well, nobody should rejoin, if they want and they have to delay, better do in the server |
| 17:13.00 | blast007 | what if they want to switch teams, to balance things out? |
| 17:13.05 | menotume | sometimes it's nice for switching teams (to balance them) |
| 17:13.08 | menotume | lol |
| 17:13.10 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:13.12 | learner | they wait now |
| 17:13.15 | Tupone | so remove the rejoin |
| 17:13.21 | menotume | and, for rejoining a match when the client crashes |
| 17:13.35 | menotume | right, server option is good |
| 17:13.39 | Tupone | if they have to wait, better in the server |
| 17:13.50 | ToughShooter | How can I start bzfs with a certain command line options from within gdb? |
| 17:13.58 | menotume | ahh haaa |
| 17:14.01 | Tupone | run bzfs option |
| 17:14.03 | learner | i don't get it, what's the proposed change? there's already a server-side configurable rejoin delay |
| 17:14.13 | Tupone | it gives error |
| 17:14.23 | Tupone | prolly we could delay the answer |
| 17:14.25 | blast007 | learner: right now, if they try to rejoin, it says "You can't rejoin for x.x seconds" |
| 17:14.31 | learner | right |
| 17:14.36 | learner | and .. what's wrong with that? |
| 17:15.06 | blast007 | what's the point of letting the client rejoin right away, if it's just gonna be rejected? |
| 17:15.09 | Tupone | the wrong things is, why put something in the client that wait for a time it does not know |
| 17:15.09 | learner | it could be changed to "rejoining in ... seconds" |
| 17:15.17 | learner | and have it sleep that long |
| 17:15.22 | blast007 | it _does_ know it |
| 17:15.27 | Tupone | so 2 connection ? |
| 17:15.37 | learner | it doesn't know until the server tells it there is a dealy |
| 17:15.39 | blast007 | you can read the _rejoinTime variable before it disconnects to rejoin |
| 17:15.45 | learner | s/dealy/delay/ |
| 17:15.51 | blast007 | the point is, you are already connected, so you know the time |
| 17:15.52 | menotume | ahhh, i c |
| 17:16.05 | Tupone | if we want do that, isn't easy to delay the rejoining answer from the server |
| 17:16.15 | ToughShooter | Tupone: tnx |
| 17:16.26 | Tupone | and did just answer positively |
| 17:16.40 | blast007 | that would probably be better |
| 17:17.41 | blast007 | but then again, that would tie up connections |
| 17:17.54 | blast007 | (unless I'm misunderstanding) |
| 17:17.55 | Tupone | and ... I think traffic is lower |
| 17:18.02 | Tupone | no map exchange |
| 17:18.04 | Tupone | just 1 |
| 17:18.12 | Tupone | no player/flag exchange |
| 17:18.22 | Tupone | just lock it until is time |
| 17:18.38 | blast007 | but the connection to the server would remain up during that time? |
| 17:18.41 | Tupone | better an open connection that more traffic |
| 17:19.03 | blast007 | s/up/open/ |
| 17:20.30 | Tupone | I don't know what is better, you have to transfer all flags, all players ... twice, IIRC |
| 17:21.16 | blast007 | mainly I'm just worried it would take up a player slot, and prevent another player from joining while the rejoining player is waiting |
| 17:21.21 | Tupone | Have to check the code, but if we do trasfer after join we don't need an up connection, if we transfer before, we transfer twice |
| 17:21.27 | _Manu_ | Tupone, better is the join queue :) |
| 17:21.37 | Tupone | we have 200 slot |
| 17:21.44 | blast007 | k |
| 17:22.01 | blast007 | I just recall that DoS attack thing that hogged the player slots |
| 17:22.05 | Tupone | _Manu_: does someone work on it ? |
| 17:22.11 | _Manu_ | Tupone, I am |
| 17:22.16 | Tupone | I know :) |
| 17:22.28 | Tupone | just wanted to know how is progressing |
| 17:22.57 | _Manu_ | slow.. because i must finish one program before.. in two weeks i'll do my first test |
| 17:23.23 | Tupone | so you agree that delaying in the client is not good? |
| 17:23.42 | _Manu_ | you know is not good.. because somebody can change it.. |
| 17:23.51 | _Manu_ | i mean cheaters.. |
| 17:23.59 | blast007 | that change wasn't going to remove the server-side aspect |
| 17:23.59 | Tupone | well, the server do delay too, now |
| 17:24.04 | _Manu_ | all the work in client side is useless |
| 17:24.40 | blast007 | it was just to remove the "annoyance" of having to do "leave game", wait 5 seconds, then "join game" |
| 17:24.42 | Tupone | I mean, can we be enough confident that your work will include such operational aspect? :) |
| 17:25.11 | _Manu_ | well.. i'm writing an api with some functions.. |
| 17:25.17 | Tupone | great :) |
| 17:26.09 | _Manu_ | I think my first test don't need a client change.. |
| 17:26.16 | _Manu_ | all server side managed |
| 17:26.28 | Tupone | If someone do a patch in the client for this rejoin, I expect it will be not put in cvs |
| 17:26.53 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 17:27.39 | _Manu_ | and when i finish the server api, then i'll change the client for removing the rejoin thing when the player doesn't change the server selected |
| 17:27.58 | _Manu_ | then if you try rejoin to the same server.. the connection is not closed.. |
| 17:28.07 | Tupone | :) |
| 17:29.19 | blast007 | wait, remove the rejoin thing? or just change how it works? |
| 17:29.35 | _Manu_ | remove.. using a diferent way.. |
| 17:29.40 | blast007 | k |
| 17:30.10 | _Manu_ | you select in your client the team you want to join.. then if team is full.. you keep connected in a waiting queue |
| 17:30.30 | _Manu_ | when a player leave the server join you to the desired team |
| 17:30.35 | ToughShooter | Hmpf, assigned a bug to TimRiker by accident, should I change it to None? |
| 17:30.42 | _Manu_ | no need to rejoin.. if you rejoin.. you get the last position in the waiting queue |
| 17:31.00 | ToughShooter | Was a new bug filed by me |
| 17:36.20 | Grumbler | nah, leave it to tim, he needs to do some things, i am sure he is getting bored ;) |
| 17:37.20 | blast007 | :) |
| 17:38.27 | menotume | _Manu_: that's a good mod ... for 'automatic' teram as well i presume ? |
| 17:38.37 | menotume | errr, team |
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| 17:39.43 | _Manu_ | menotume, yes |
| 17:39.49 | menotume | very nice |
| 17:42.36 | learner | hmm.. who what? missed that lil talk |
| 17:42.43 | learner | testing a fix |
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| 17:44.35 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: didn't necessarily work, it's just sent |
| 17:48.52 | Grumbler | oh, great... |
| 17:50.04 | learner | eh, that was just a comment |
| 17:52.37 | Grumbler | thats ok, i like to work my 550mhz to the max ;) |
| 17:55.24 | Grumbler | why do man pages have to have such a funky format |
| 17:56.38 | Tupone | groff ? |
| 17:56.43 | JeffM2501 | because it was made by intelegent unix people to confuse the less intelegent users |
| 17:56.55 | JeffM2501 | therefor keeping the OS to themselves |
| 17:56.57 | Grumbler | well, it worked on me |
| 17:57.01 | JeffM2501 | and keeping out the riff-raff |
| 17:57.19 | Tupone | Have you ever used runoff ? |
| 17:57.31 | Grumbler | runoff? |
| 17:57.44 | Tupone | the word processor for vax-vms |
| 17:57.55 | Tupone | you wrote doc with a text editor and process it |
| 17:57.56 | Grumbler | nah, |
| 17:58.16 | Tupone | about 20 years ago |
| 17:58.32 | Grumbler | a couple years before my time |
| 17:58.59 | Tupone | I used till about 8 years ago ... easy to forget |
| 17:59.16 | Tupone | it is very similar |
| 17:59.27 | Tupone | to groff the langiage used in man |
| 18:00.35 | Grumbler | ah, lets see what groffer does |
| 18:09.34 | Grumbler | ya know you are running on a slow machine, when scrolling through a file kicks up the auxillary fans |
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| 18:15.34 | apj | braddie <34 |
| 18:15.42 | brad2901 | hi jpa :) |
| 18:16.49 | apj | ~brad2901 |
| 18:16.50 | ibot | methinks brad2901 is a little kid. :P, or very cute and huggable |
| 18:16.58 | brad2901 | ~forget brad2901 |
| 18:17.02 | brad2901 | .. |
| 18:17.11 | apj | :) |
| 18:17.12 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501 |
| 18:17.16 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 18:17.23 | Birdie | wow all those ops |
| 18:17.58 | apj | would i get +o too if i was as hot as jolie? |
| 18:18.09 | jolie | im NOT HOT!!!! >=( |
| 18:18.23 | jolie | sigh* |
| 18:18.30 | JeffM2501 | you'd have to do a little dance too |
| 18:18.33 | jolie | :S |
| 18:18.42 | apj | i could do that :) |
| 18:18.45 | jolie | that DOESNT paint a pretty smart image of me... |
| 18:18.46 | Birdie | she did? |
| 18:18.52 | jolie | >=( NO!!! |
| 18:18.54 | jolie | ... |
| 18:18.59 | JeffM2501 | I'm just uping the requirements |
| 18:19.18 | jolie | ... |
| 18:21.10 | Tupone | :( |
| 18:22.57 | Grumbler | i am positive jolie deserved her status |
| 18:22.57 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Tupone] by JeffM2501 |
| 18:23.06 | JeffM2501 | but tupy's cool, he helped me out :) |
| 18:23.14 | Grumbler | i am positive Tupone deserved his status |
| 18:23.21 | Birdie | 11 ops:s |
| 18:23.34 | Grumbler | cool, figured out where to put iptable boot up rules |
| 18:23.38 | JeffM2501 | it makes us uberchannel! |
| 18:23.42 | learner | it's become-an-honorary-op day |
| 18:23.43 | Grumbler | ignorance is such a pain sometimes |
| 18:23.51 | Birdie | nothing can go wrong with all those ops |
| 18:24.11 | JeffM2501 | pre 3 day weekend operbration! |
| 18:24.13 | Grumbler | so learner left then... |
| 18:24.35 | JeffM2501 | those who fear authority, are ones that have reason to hide something :) |
| 18:25.22 | JeffM2501 | I don't remember hanging up on you |
| 18:25.30 | JeffM2501 | when I woke up the phone was out of power |
| 18:25.38 | JeffM2501 | and in the living room |
| 18:25.52 | Birdie | 11 of 48 have ops, while there are even bots around, i dont know a more safe place than here |
| 18:26.26 | Grumbler | you assume ops make it safe |
| 18:26.28 | JeffM2501 | bahh ww |
| 18:26.38 | Birdie | well they SHOULD make it safe |
| 18:26.42 | Birdie | if the right people are there:) |
| 18:26.55 | apj | hmm.. if i had been nice and contributing i might have ops now and be very evil :E |
| 18:27.01 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o brlcad] by learner |
| 18:27.01 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o brlcad] by ChanServ |
| 18:27.04 | Grumbler | but several of the ops have split personalities |
| 18:27.12 | learner | ~lart ChanServ |
| 18:27.15 | JeffM2501 | only 2 that I know of |
| 18:27.49 | Birdie | ibot gvzEvxre and tim riker = one actually, learner and brclad to, so in theory only 7 ops |
| 18:28.12 | Grumbler | you assume purple_cow is not one of number |
| 18:28.24 | Birdie | i do? |
| 18:28.24 | Grumbler | and how about Chestal |
| 18:28.31 | Birdie | chestal is unique:) |
| 18:28.34 | Birdie | same as cow |
| 18:29.00 | JeffM2501 | davidtrowbrige is a bot |
| 18:29.09 | Birdie | a bot that is coding a game |
| 18:29.13 | Grumbler | all controlled by scanline |
| 18:29.17 | Birdie | we only wished that excist |
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| 18:31.16 | Grumbler | http://www200.pair.com/mecham/spam/spamfilter20041003.html#firewall ...nice work |
| 18:35.50 | learner | damn, I don't think there's a way to do the server-side wait-join without modifying the client at least slightly |
| 18:36.18 | learner | it ends up setting a joinRequested boolean to true and never resets it to false until disconnect |
| 18:36.52 | learner | hm.. unless maybe if we simply just delay that enter request |
| 18:37.06 | learner | hrm hrm |
| 18:37.12 | Tupone | delay mean parking that |
| 18:37.59 | learner | yeah, add them to a queue or something.. |
| 18:38.01 | Grumbler | ~seen fiberchucks |
| 18:38.04 | ibot | i haven't seen 'fiberchucks', Grumbler |
| 18:38.19 | learner | i've got it so close now.. it will halt them by killing or pausing them |
| 18:38.22 | Tupone | ~seen fiberchunks ? |
| 18:38.23 | ibot | i haven't seen 'fiberchunks ', Tupone |
| 18:38.36 | learner | but then for some reason the client won't respond to an enter event |
| 18:38.58 | learner | i mean, it won't respond to "i" even |
| 18:39.16 | Tupone | but, simply delaying the answer should work |
| 18:39.48 | Grumbler | there arent any timeouts on the client side |
| 18:41.02 | learner | or lack thereof |
| 18:42.46 | learner | http://db.bzflag.bz/tmp/rejoin.diff |
| 18:43.33 | apj | Pimpinella: good idea :P |
| 18:43.48 | learner | hrm.. maybe i should try a full-blown playerKilled like I started.. |
| 18:44.29 | Tupone | lets start from cappy's |
| 18:45.03 | learner | let's write it in assembler |
| 18:45.51 | Pimpinella | no, too easy, lets write it in ada |
| 18:45.56 | Tupone | yeah |
| 18:46.01 | Tupone | Ada, I'll write it |
| 18:46.21 | Pimpinella | ada is a pain in the ass... |
| 18:46.24 | Tupone | Ada95 or Ada2005. It will rock |
| 18:46.39 | Tupone | For one who does not know it |
| 18:46.50 | Tupone | I'm an Ada fan :) |
| 18:47.40 | Pimpinella | i'm a awk fan, but i won't use it to reimplement bzfs ;) |
| 18:48.03 | learner | w00h00! that worked |
| 18:48.21 | Pimpinella | :) |
| 18:48.51 | Tupone | Ada is used for space and airborne ... I think it will be rock solid |
| 18:49.12 | learner | sweet, it forces them to wait too since they have to wait for the respawn timeout |
| 18:49.36 | Tupone | who are them ? |
| 18:50.13 | learner | them are the rejoiners |
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| 18:50.37 | Tupone | and too is referred to ? |
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| 18:50.56 | _Manu_ | Ada is nice, but too verbose |
| 18:50.57 | learner | too == also |
| 18:51.46 | Tupone | I know too == also. I meant it force x and rejoiners to wait. who is x ? |
| 18:52.23 | Tupone | forget it ... :/ I hope you mean it works |
| 18:52.24 | guu | I've never heard of it ... :/ I hope you mean it works, Tupone! |
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| 18:53.35 | orange | Tupone is teasing the bot unintentionally :-) |
| 18:53.47 | RPG_ | ~botsnack rusted bolts |
| 18:53.47 | ibot | :), RPG_ |
| 18:54.18 | RPG_ | i have another small feature request, if anyone's in the mood |
| 18:54.47 | RPG_ | ~RPG |
| 18:54.48 | ibot | Role Playing Game |
| 18:54.52 | RPG_ | ~karma RPG |
| 18:54.52 | ibot | rpg has karma of 8 |
| 18:54.57 | RPG_ | ~karma RPG_ |
| 18:54.57 | ibot | rpg_ has karma of -1 |
| 18:55.31 | RPG_ | ~ibot |
| 18:55.32 | ibot | from memory, ibot is a blootbot written in perl run by TimRiker on his server. logs on http://ibot.rikers.org/<chan>/ , ibot, jbot, apt are all the same process. It uses sqlite, but mysql or other SQL storage is also supported. |
| 18:55.42 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: |
| 18:55.42 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: by popular demand, instead of kicking rejoiners off the server and making them |
| 18:55.42 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: wait, just don't let them spawn. players are forcibly killed if they try, |
| 18:55.42 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: forcing them to then at least wait through a rebirth delay (which is more than |
| 18:55.43 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: enough for the default respawn minimum delay). might be nice to modify this so |
| 18:55.43 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: that they are effectively just stalled until entry instead of killing them but |
| 18:55.45 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: that requires more work, I am le tired, and this was le simple. |
| 18:56.18 | RPG_ | ~karma ibot |
| 18:56.18 | ibot | ibot has karma of 12 |
| 18:56.21 | learner | Tupone, i meant that it works and "also" forces rejoiners to wait |
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| 18:57.18 | RPG_ | for a feature, when a player leaves a server, in admin mode, when a player leaves a server, could it display their IP address to? |
| 18:57.24 | RPG_ | that would make it easier to track down rejoiners |
| 18:57.45 | Tupone | learner: so when are they killed ? |
| 18:58.01 | Tupone | Is configurable? |
| 18:58.03 | learner | if they try to spawn early, they are killed |
| 18:58.13 | Tupone | they are not stalled ? |
| 18:58.24 | learner | sure, stalled by killing them :) |
| 18:58.35 | learner | it will keep killing them too until timelimit passes |
| 18:59.02 | learner | er, whatever the rejoin time delay var name is |
| 18:59.04 | Tupone | hehe, so what is the difference between now |
| 18:59.12 | _Manu_ | but he can rejoin again and so on.. |
| 18:59.15 | learner | the difference is that they are not disconnected |
| 18:59.25 | _Manu_ | he can reconnect.. |
| 18:59.27 | Tupone | ahh |
| 18:59.44 | learner | and if he reconnects, the timer resets and longer they wait |
| 18:59.56 | _Manu_ | well.. but reconnect.. so.. problem reamins |
| 19:00.05 | _Manu_ | s/reamins/remains |
| 19:00.15 | learner | which problem would that be? |
| 19:00.28 | _Manu_ | the problem is the rejoining thing.. |
| 19:00.31 | learner | that's not what whomever it was complained about |
| 19:00.37 | learner | they complained about being auto-disconnected when they could just "wait" |
| 19:00.41 | CIA-12 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/RadarRenderer.cxx: warning |
| 19:01.00 | _Manu_ | but rejoiners are called rejoiners because rejoins.. heh |
| 19:01.03 | learner | so now, they are not disconnected and they can just wait |
| 19:01.19 | _Manu_ | but they will rejoin again ;) |
| 19:01.34 | learner | sounds like you're wanting to fix a different problem? |
| 19:01.36 | DTRemenak | the entire point of a rejoin timer is to make it annoying enough that people won't do it...if you make it less annoying then it's less effective too. |
| 19:01.38 | _Manu_ | and can change his callsign.. and rejoin again |
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| 19:02.00 | RPG_ | that's where my feature request comes in :) |
| 19:02.01 | learner | sure, and that takes at least a little bit of effort |
| 19:02.16 | learner | again, I ask.. what is the "problem" that needs fixing? |
| 19:02.21 | _Manu_ | yes, but they borned for rejoining... lol |
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| 19:03.05 | _Manu_ | read up where i'm working about.. |
| 19:03.09 | learner | the delay makes it at least useless for them to keep switching teams wontonly |
| 19:03.33 | learner | which is what the original point was |
| 19:03.59 | Tupone | I either remove the rejoining or make software annoying people when rejoining |
| 19:04.03 | learner | what's grumblesome about it? i thought is was pretty nifty :) |
| 19:04.23 | _Manu_ | Tupone, that's right :) |
| 19:04.24 | DTRemenak | for one thing, it makes the MOTD very hard to read because bzflag starts with the main menu up already |
| 19:04.27 | learner | it is annoying now, you get killed |
| 19:05.00 | learner | and the rejoin delay does serve a very good purpose either as it is or was - it fixed a nasty problem |
| 19:05.28 | _Manu_ | heh.. we also can end his shots... and drop their flags :) better than kill.. but more workd |
| 19:05.29 | learner | DTRemenak, it does come to life when you join a server or hit esc.. |
| 19:05.37 | _Manu_ | s/workd/work |
| 19:05.38 | learner | could maybe be dropped down a couple percentages |
| 19:05.41 | DTRemenak | For another, I like to be able to read what's happening on the server while I'm manipulating things in the menus |
| 19:05.46 | learner | rather brightness dependant |
| 19:05.51 | Tupone | ok , I approve. Just I don't see how this things goes near the request of peoples that do not want to be annoyed :) |
| 19:06.18 | learner | from what I've heard, they aren't annoyed that they have to wait, they were annoyed that they got disconnected |
| 19:07.26 | DTRemenak | and the chat tabs aren't dimmed with the rest of the control panel, but that can be fixed |
| 19:07.28 | Tupone | ah ok |
| 19:07.29 | _Manu_ | well.. if they rejoin.. they are disconnected too no? |
| 19:07.38 | learner | _Manu_, nah, Tim's said on lots of occasions, if they can't play then they shouldn't be on the field |
| 19:07.56 | learner | so disabling their gameplay in some manner won't really work |
| 19:08.34 | _Manu_ | can be.. but they at first rejoin :) so.. where is the point about getting disconnected? |
| 19:08.39 | DTRemenak | learner: and the rejoin change also makes the rejoining player take up a slot while not being able to play, possibly preventing someone else from joining |
| 19:09.01 | learner | DTRemenak, could do the same thing that I did for radar to get the entire chat console (an overlayed alpha rect instead of modifying the glColor of the text) .. that'll be sure to get everything |
| 19:10.30 | _Manu_ | learner, and if they rejoin too fast than another waiting far client.. they can rejoin and keep using a slot.. so no fair |
| 19:11.30 | learner | _Manu_, again, your bringing up completely different issues -- they can do that regardless of how it is or was |
| 19:11.47 | learner | the only difference is that they are now not disconnected, for better or worse |
| 19:12.02 | learner | i'm sure it can be improved upon (commit msg even says that..) |
| 19:12.07 | _Manu_ | well.. no if they are disconnected.. another player can try to join.. |
| 19:13.11 | _Manu_ | learner, or not? :) |
| 19:13.11 | learner | that door swings both ways, they can just lean on the enter key and keep the server feeding them the map over and over too, keeping a slot busy while getting rejected |
| 19:13.17 | learner | nice denial of service |
| 19:13.31 | learner | that can happen still too |
| 19:13.54 | learner | if they want to take up a player slot, they have lots of ways to do that very effectively -- i don't see that as being the problem that needs addressing |
| 19:14.08 | _Manu_ | well for denial of service you can write a simple program.. no need pressing enter ;) |
| 19:14.19 | learner | exactly |
| 19:14.24 | DTRemenak | it's all about convenience |
| 19:14.42 | DTRemenak | with being kicked off, most people will try to rejoin, get rejected, wait their five seconds, and try to rejoin again |
| 19:14.50 | DTRemenak | leaving five seconds for someone else to join a team |
| 19:15.29 | DTRemenak | if you accept them immediately, most people will do exactly the same thing (try to rejoin), but will succeed in rejoining and therefore not wait and not give anyone else a chance to join a team |
| 19:15.39 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, in viper we have 30 seconds for rejoining time.. and also a LOCAL.NOREJOIN group for some trusted players |
| 19:15.57 | DTRemenak | right...so for those 30 seconds, there will be a team member who can't play |
| 19:16.03 | _Manu_ | then players in LOCAL.NOREJOIN can rejoin with no problem |
| 19:16.08 | apj | i usually wait as an observer and press enter when i see someone signing off.. but some don't understand it and just rejoin all the time to get on a team |
| 19:16.24 | Tupone | A queue will be better |
| 19:16.46 | _Manu_ | yes of course |
| 19:16.53 | learner | that to me sounds like a purpose (while perhaps useful) was not what the rejoin was intended to prevent, no? |
| 19:17.15 | learner | the original problem was people rejoining to reset their scores or spam the chat |
| 19:17.19 | DTRemenak | learner's patch gives at least some rejoiners exactly what they want...a guaranteed spot on a team when they rejoin |
| 19:17.35 | learner | that could be a good thing too |
| 19:17.48 | learner | I rejoin from green to red because I'm playing and I saw a spot open up |
| 19:17.53 | learner | used to do that all the time |
| 19:17.56 | _Manu_ | yes.. and penalize another waiting players |
| 19:17.58 | learner | now I have to disconnect and pray |
| 19:18.20 | DTRemenak | imho an observer has more right to that spot than you do |
| 19:18.20 | learner | it changed the gameplay quite a bit (and not really for any benefit to the good players) |
| 19:19.03 | DTRemenak | I'm gonna have to start maintaining a patchset for my server :( |
| 19:19.05 | learner | I'd agree, but the difference is that the advantage was being provided by effectively punishing the departer |
| 19:20.20 | DTRemenak | if you want to implement a queue I'm all for that ;) |
| 19:20.59 | learner | nah, i'm not that strongly tied to ie, don't really care -- but i am having trouble seeing the benefit of outright kicking them off |
| 19:21.19 | DTRemenak | a queue would be a good thing anyway :) |
| 19:21.20 | learner | how about rejoining them to observer instead? |
| 19:22.06 | DTRemenak | to me that would be unexpected behavior |
| 19:22.11 | learner | a queue would be nice |
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| 19:22.48 | learner | though I can't imagine a means to do that in the server only that isn't going to be a major hack |
| 19:23.27 | DTRemenak | yeah, it would need client side changes. time to branch v2_0_0branch :) |
| 19:23.41 | learner | since observers definitely are not necessarily queued players |
| 19:24.02 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 19:24.22 | _Manu_ | observer musn't be in queue... queue is for joining to a team |
| 19:24.38 | _Manu_ | and changes in client are for avoid disconecting when rejoin |
| 19:25.04 | _Manu_ | mainly.. |
| 19:25.07 | learner | so .. if you all don't like the spawn kill, feel free to revert it -- my feelings will heal ;) |
| 19:25.15 | learner | it was still neat to figure out |
| 19:25.38 | _Manu_ | well, lets try your changes... |
| 19:25.40 | orange | another 'team' called Queue in addition to Observer |
| 19:26.10 | _Manu_ | orange, no.. a queue for every team.. |
| 19:26.22 | orange | interesting |
| 19:26.29 | orange | could be neat for matches |
| 19:26.35 | _Manu_ | if you want to join read.. and red team is full. you are added to the red queue |
| 19:26.36 | DTRemenak | _Manu_: could be one queue with an extra property for which team |
| 19:26.43 | DTRemenak | so that you could specify "first opening" |
| 19:26.47 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, yes, of course |
| 19:26.51 | learner | WaitingQueue players would be another variant of Observer, but only via auto-assignment and it'd probably need a per-team designation (you're in the RedTeam WaitingQueue for example) |
| 19:26.55 | orange | DTRemenak: yes, that would be good |
| 19:27.34 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, you also can select "Automatic" then you are moved to the first free slot in any team |
| 19:28.05 | _Manu_ | and if you rejoin.. you are moved to the last place in queue :) |
| 19:28.33 | _Manu_ | and as you really aren't disconnected... no spam messages |
| 19:29.10 | DTRemenak | if you rejoin you could be moved to the last place and have a rejoinTime penalty before being assigned to a team even if a slot was open |
| 19:29.18 | learner | it could still be "one queue", you just are tagged with your join preference -- first player that matches the preference and does not have some penalty join time associated is allowed in |
| 19:29.25 | DTRemenak | thus solving both problems at once |
| 19:29.29 | _Manu_ | yes.. i think this can be configured for the server admin |
| 19:29.51 | DTRemenak | learner's got exactly the right idea :) |
| 19:29.55 | _Manu_ | then you can choose it |
| 19:30.08 | _Manu_ | yes.. but the rejoin problem remains :) |
| 19:30.38 | learner | wouldn't want to shove Automatic into a Green queue that maybe has only one player, instead of Red where there were 5 but after successive rapid rejoins in red he's overlooked when he could have joined |
| 19:30.47 | DTRemenak | _Manu_: no...because they won't be joined to a team until their rejoin timer expires |
| 19:31.19 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, we are talking about different things.. i mean the rejoin.. client disconnectec and then connected |
| 19:31.41 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, he can't play.. but rejoin! :) |
| 19:32.01 | learner | _Manu_ you mean the tcp connect/disconnect/connect? |
| 19:32.29 | _Manu_ | yes... every time i rejoin.. my client is disconnected from server.. then connect again |
| 19:32.47 | _Manu_ | with my idea.. if you don't change the server.. you really don't disconnect.. |
| 19:32.56 | _Manu_ | you continues connected.. |
| 19:33.00 | DTRemenak | yeah, you can just be bumped into the queue |
| 19:33.02 | learner | _Manu_ you can keep adding them to the queue and accumulate their wait times.. when they pass a threshold waiting time, they could be auto-banned |
| 19:33.26 | _Manu_ | learner, yes of course.. those are options |
| 19:33.53 | learner | _Manu_, er that's what the patch I just made does too -- that doesn't necessarily solve any reconnect problem.. i can always disconnect myself repeatedly |
| 19:34.12 | _Manu_ | no when i'll change the client ;) |
| 19:34.22 | learner | best you can do is keep track of that, and ban them early in the connection attempt |
| 19:35.05 | learner | sure I can still -- i can kill my connection many many ways even outside of bz very quickly and repeatedly |
| 19:35.19 | learner | if the "fix" requires a client side fix, it's not a "fix" |
| 19:35.26 | _Manu_ | yes, true.. |
| 19:35.43 | _Manu_ | but also wee can add to the server some stuff for it ;) |
| 19:35.54 | _Manu_ | s/wee/we :) |
| 19:37.22 | _Manu_ | another thing.. we also can add an agreement on rules messages before play.. helpfull for servers admins |
| 19:37.50 | _Manu_ | then for playing in a server you must accept the server rules |
| 19:39.29 | learner | bleh, clickthrough licenses are annoying |
| 19:39.50 | learner | nobody reads them and whether anyone could actually be held accountable to one is suspect |
| 19:39.53 | _Manu_ | not licenses.. rules :) but can be also optional for the server admin |
| 19:40.01 | learner | same thing |
| 19:40.07 | _Manu_ | yes.. of course.. but then nobody can blame on you :) |
| 19:40.10 | learner | a server information sheet would be more interesting |
| 19:40.25 | learner | especially before even joining |
| 19:40.47 | _Manu_ | yes.. i only fired one idea :) |
| 19:40.53 | learner | see a little message from the operator, contact details, additional info, maybe rules, etc |
| 19:41.19 | _Manu_ | yes, and troublemakers will be troublemakers with or without rules :( |
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| 20:28.30 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o jolie] by JeffM2501 |
| 20:28.37 | jolie | ^_^ |
| 20:31.01 | Pimpinella | _Manu_: hrmhm,,, |
| 20:31.39 | Pimpinella | verified players can rejoin without delay |
| 20:31.52 | Pimpinella | local.norejoin is for verified players, who keep rejoining |
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| 20:36.31 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, heh.. o_O my mistake.. |
| 20:37.01 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, i told exactly the reverse :) |
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| 21:06.51 | CBG | I can host a texture I use in my map, locally, right? |
| 21:07.34 | JeffM2501 | if you have a web server |
| 21:07.50 | JeffM2501 | and if you have all users add your web server domain to there "allow" list |
| 21:07.57 | JeffM2501 | or you make sure everyone has the texture |
| 21:08.09 | CBG | So, in other words... not really... |
| 21:08.16 | JeffM2501 | no, not really |
| 21:08.17 | CBG | Then where can I upload it? |
| 21:08.32 | JeffM2501 | bzflag.bz and bzflag.org are the only 2 in the standard allow list |
| 21:08.43 | CBG | Ok. Thanks. |
| 21:09.01 | JeffM2501 | doubt you have upload perms for there |
| 21:09.17 | CBG | I need perms? *sigh*. |
| 21:09.20 | JeffM2501 | If you send me the textures I can add them to the images.bzflag.org sections |
| 21:09.31 | JeffM2501 | well yea, we can't just let anyone updload |
| 21:09.42 | CBG | How would you like it sent, sir? |
| 21:09.48 | JeffM2501 | or we'd be full of ucrainian porn |
| 21:09.49 | JeffM2501 | mail |
| 21:09.51 | JeffM2501 | is best |
| 21:11.12 | CBG | That was odd. |
| 21:11.38 | CBG | I just got an error message telling me Colloqyu (my IRC Client) had quit just after i opened Mail... but its still here... |
| 21:11.50 | CBG | I didnt go offline, did I? |
| 21:11.54 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 21:12.31 | CBG | Eh... Now Mail seems to be frozen... |
| 21:13.19 | CBG | That did it. :) |
| 21:13.24 | CBG | Okay. I'll send it now |
| 21:13.44 | CBG | Is a jpeg ok? |
| 21:14.04 | brad2901 | Is the jitter for 2.0.3b2 supposed to worse than 2.0.2? |
| 21:14.12 | JeffM2501 | bzflag does not read jpeg files |
| 21:14.17 | CBG | png? |
| 21:14.25 | JeffM2501 | what does bzflag read? |
| 21:14.33 | CBG | png? |
| 21:14.41 | brad2901 | yes CBG |
| 21:14.41 | JeffM2501 | you should not have to ask that question |
| 21:14.48 | CBG | :( |
| 21:15.23 | CBG | The way you said "What does bz read" after I said png made me think it wasnt png... :( |
| 21:15.42 | JeffM2501 | I was saying you should know |
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| 21:21.49 | brad2901 | Ich habe Bammel :( |
| 21:23.17 | brad2901 | why am I getting bad jitter with the beta versions? |
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| 21:23.59 | CBG | JeffM2510: Texture Sent. :) |
| 21:24.05 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:24.09 | CBG | s/2510/2501... |
| 21:24.14 | JeffM2501 | it shoudl be power of 2 in size |
| 21:24.21 | JeffM2501 | and do you have rights to that texture? |
| 21:24.36 | CBG | It was on a site that advertised "Free Textures"... |
| 21:24.46 | CBG | And it needs to be bigger? |
| 21:25.01 | JeffM2501 | no it need to be square or power of 2 on each side |
| 21:25.15 | JeffM2501 | like 128,256,512 etc.... |
| 21:25.34 | JeffM2501 | and does that site give you license to redisribute? |
| 21:25.34 | JeffM2501 | or just useage for free? |
| 21:25.42 | JeffM2501 | do you have to credit an author? |
| 21:25.59 | CBG | Im looking |
| 21:26.50 | CBG | Wow... Its well hudden but: "All of the models/texture maps/software (referred herein as "datasets") available on 3DCAFE for download may be used royalty-free for your own usage. If any of the datasets available on 3DCAFE are to be used commercially, or altered in anyway to be used commercially, you must give proper and visible credit in your commercial product, (i.e., Models (Textures) provided by 3DCAFE.COM)." |
| 21:27.06 | CBG | I take it bz is commercial? |
| 21:27.14 | menotume | nope |
| 21:27.28 | CBG | Oh. Goody. :D |
| 21:27.33 | JeffM2501 | you have to credit them |
| 21:27.37 | JeffM2501 | make me an authors file |
| 21:27.58 | CBG | a .txt with the authors name? |
| 21:28.00 | JeffM2501 | and make it fit GL specs |
| 21:28.13 | JeffM2501 | a txt with the authors info, and that license |
| 21:28.41 | CBG | GL specs? Make the dimensions ^2 ? |
| 21:28.52 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:31.44 | CBG | Both sides have to be ^2 ? O.o |
| 21:31.48 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 21:31.57 | CBG | Aw... Ok.. :) |
| 21:32.00 | JeffM2501 | at least untill GL2 |
| 21:32.12 | JeffM2501 | bz can scale but it looks like ass |
| 21:32.15 | menotume | and still be seamless :) |
| 21:32.32 | JeffM2501 | best to scale before |
| 21:32.32 | JeffM2501 | yeah so it'll be seamless |
| 21:32.51 | CBG | seamless? As in you cant see the edges between each one? |
| 21:32.58 | menotume | scaling can crate seams |
| 21:33.04 | menotume | create |
| 21:33.13 | menotume | what size are they now CBG ? |
| 21:33.16 | CBG | This isnt seamless anyway :( |
| 21:33.22 | JeffM2501 | it was 640x480 |
| 21:33.24 | menotume | ohh |
| 21:33.31 | JeffM2501 | then the texture won't repeat well |
| 21:33.38 | CBG | I know. |
| 21:33.43 | CBG | But Its not too obvious. |
| 21:36.56 | JeffM2501 | look at what I did for the images I posted |
| 21:36.56 | JeffM2501 | http://images.bzflag.org/yallaire/ |
| 21:37.54 | CBG | Will it be ok If I just copy their usage agreement and say "Metal01.png Texture provided by 3DCAFE.COM"... |
| 21:38.09 | CBG | (It says in the agreement to credit them to say "Metal01.png Texture provided by 3DCAFE.COM" )... |
| 21:38.41 | JeffM2501 | yeah that's about all I did |
| 21:38.58 | CBG | Ok. Thanks |
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| 21:40.53 | CBG | Sent. |
| 21:41.10 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:41.12 | JeffM2501 | I'm at work |
| 21:41.16 | CBG | Ok. :) |
| 21:41.18 | JeffM2501 | I'll upload it when I get time |
| 21:41.26 | CBG | Thanks! |
| 21:42.05 | menotume | JeffM2501: did you forget about the hosting fee ? |
| 21:42.14 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 21:42.17 | JeffM2501 | CBG, there is a fee |
| 21:42.24 | CBG | O.o |
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| 21:42.25 | JeffM2501 | payable in girly giggles |
| 21:42.30 | menotume | rofl |
| 21:42.40 | CBG | Ok? |
| 21:42.41 | jolie | >_< |
| 21:43.59 | JeffM2501 | more |
| 21:44.28 | CBG | Why is it -j to add jumping, -d to add a debug level etc, but +r to add rico |
| 21:44.47 | JeffM2501 | becuase there is a -r |
| 21:45.25 | creeperz | meaning rouge :-P |
| 21:45.55 | CBG | :o |
| 21:45.57 | blast007 | wasn't -r removed? |
| 21:46.33 | JeffM2501 | it may have been |
| 21:46.55 | blast007 | bad argument "-r" |
| 21:46.57 | blast007 | yup :) |
| 21:47.07 | CBG | Hehe. :P |
| 21:47.12 | JeffM2501 | so it's just history |
| 21:47.18 | creeperz | heh |
| 21:47.20 | CBG | JeffM2501: becuase there is a -r |
| 21:47.36 | JeffM2501 | not anymore |
| 21:47.38 | CBG | JeffM2501 was mis/un informed :P |
| 21:47.42 | JeffM2501 | it got replaced with the new team stuff |
| 21:47.49 | JeffM2501 | mp .... |
| 21:47.51 | CBG | -mp |
| 21:47.53 | CBG | yeah. :) |
| 21:49.16 | CBG | has "pos" always worked as "position" ? |
| 21:50.49 | trepan | no |
| 21:51.10 | CBG | It's just I saw it on your arch example, trepan. |
| 21:51.14 | trepan | i know |
| 21:51.26 | CBG | And I was writing out position all the time like an idiot. :( |
| 22:01.42 | cosmos | heh australian woman senteced to 20 years in prison in indonesia...human rights watch says 84% of foreign prisoners die within a year due to "unpublished" causes |
| 22:01.56 | CBG | :o |
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| 22:28.48 | JeffM2501 | well when you "accedentaly" smuggle 9lbs of weed thru an airport..... |
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