| 00:03.52 | purple_cow | cool! |
| 00:03.53 | purple_cow | http://david.navi.cx/bzedit/island-hopping.png |
| 00:04.30 | blast007 | :) |
| 00:06.53 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8240 10bzedit/scripts/BZFlag/Mesh.py: fix name stuff for mesh |
| 00:09.06 | wegstar | :) |
| 00:19.14 | *** part/#bzflag Blue_Eyes (~Blue_Eyes@host103-100.pool80116.interbusiness.it) |
| 00:22.03 | Ice_Wewe | what OS are you on?!?!?!? |
| 00:22.06 | Ice_Wewe | I must know! |
| 00:22.13 | Ice_Wewe | is it linux? |
| 00:22.34 | Ice_Wewe | if it is, how can I get this holy tool?!?!?!! |
| 00:22.52 | Ice_Wewe | is that SuSE? |
| 00:22.58 | Ice_Wewe | please tell me! |
| 00:23.05 | lovebug | blender |
| 00:23.20 | Ice_Wewe | purple_cow |
| 00:23.28 | Ice_Wewe | what OS is that editor running on??? |
| 00:23.39 | purple_cow | that's running on linux, but blender runs on just about everything |
| 00:24.01 | purple_cow | and no, it's not ready to use |
| 00:24.21 | Ice_Wewe | what?!?!?!?! |
| 00:24.24 | Ice_Wewe | why not? |
| 00:24.27 | Ice_Wewe | whats it called? |
| 00:24.32 | Ice_Wewe | is it in dev stage? |
| 00:24.38 | Ice_Wewe | where can I get a copy? |
| 00:24.38 | purple_cow | well, blender is ready to use |
| 00:24.41 | purple_cow | just not for doing bzflag stuff |
| 00:24.42 | Ice_Wewe | what OS is he running? |
| 00:24.46 | Ice_Wewe | blender? |
| 00:24.47 | lovebug | http://www.blender.org/ perhaps |
| 00:25.00 | Ice_Wewe | I must know! |
| 00:25.00 | purple_cow | blender3d.org is better |
| 00:25.01 | learner | Ice_Wewe, good grief, how many times do people need to tell you "blender" |
| 00:25.10 | Ice_Wewe | ok ok ok |
| 00:25.12 | lovebug | wtf |
| 00:25.18 | Ice_Wewe | I'm just drooling, excuse me |
| 00:25.50 | learner | drool as you download, it's even free |
| 00:26.05 | Ice_Wewe | *drools* mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 00:26.11 | learner | just not here *sigh* |
| 00:26.12 | purple_cow | learner: how much you wanna bet he's too anxious to learn it properly, will get frustrated and start telling the world how crappy it is? |
| 00:26.35 | learner | it's crappy |
| 00:26.42 | Ice_Wewe | it is? |
| 00:26.43 | Ice_Wewe | oh well |
| 00:26.50 | Ice_Wewe | how big is the source? |
| 00:26.57 | learner | if you're that easily turned on/off, then yes, yes it is |
| 00:27.12 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:27.17 | learner | about a bazillion bits big |
| 00:27.36 | Ice_Wewe | oh ok |
| 00:27.45 | Ice_Wewe | I have highspeed. so size is not an issue |
| 00:27.48 | Ice_Wewe | hehe |
| 00:27.48 | purple_cow | a bazillion bits? you haven't been manufacturing hard drives in your spare time, have you? |
| 00:27.53 | Ice_Wewe | bazillion |
| 00:27.58 | Ice_Wewe | ehehe |
| 00:28.17 | Ice_Wewe | 2 minutes left to finish download the source |
| 00:28.18 | Ice_Wewe | ehehehhe |
| 00:28.20 | Ice_Wewe | YEA! |
| 00:28.23 | purple_cow | why are you getting source? :P |
| 00:28.26 | Ice_Wewe | *DROOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL* |
| 00:28.30 | Ice_Wewe | cause I like sources |
| 00:28.35 | purple_cow | good luck |
| 00:28.37 | learner | someone skipped their ritalin dosage this evening? |
| 00:28.46 | Ice_Wewe | they lead to chicks *cough* by that I mean software, of course |
| 00:28.52 | Ice_Wewe | lol |
| 00:28.57 | Ice_Wewe | no I'm normal |
| 00:29.01 | learner | riight |
| 00:29.04 | Ice_Wewe | ...most of the time |
| 00:29.24 | Ice_Wewe | learner, let me see you not overeact when your dreams come true! |
| 00:29.34 | Ice_Wewe | 1 minutes |
| 00:29.47 | learner | i've had dreams come true on many occasions over the years |
| 00:29.48 | Ice_Wewe | *drooooooooooolllllll* |
| 00:30.01 | Ice_Wewe | plus, I act like a 5 year old |
| 00:30.05 | Ice_Wewe | 15 |
| 00:30.06 | Ice_Wewe | 14 |
| 00:30.07 | Ice_Wewe | 13 |
| 00:30.08 | Ice_Wewe | 12 |
| 00:30.08 | learner | ya, basta please |
| 00:30.09 | Ice_Wewe | 11 |
| 00:30.10 | Ice_Wewe | 10 |
| 00:30.11 | Ice_Wewe | 9 |
| 00:30.12 | Ice_Wewe | 8 |
| 00:30.12 | Ice_Wewe | 7 |
| 00:30.13 | Ice_Wewe | 6 |
| 00:30.15 | learner | stop |
| 00:30.16 | Ice_Wewe | 5 |
| 00:30.18 | Ice_Wewe | 4 |
| 00:30.22 | Ice_Wewe | 3 |
| 00:30.24 | Ice_Wewe | 2 |
| 00:30.26 | Ice_Wewe | 1 |
| 00:30.28 | Ice_Wewe | yea! |
| 00:30.32 | Ice_Wewe | its here! |
| 00:30.40 | Ice_Wewe | yay! my fung-shui level is rising!!!!! |
| 00:30.46 | Ice_Wewe | awww, its gone! |
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| 00:31.14 | Ice_Wewe | sorry man |
| 00:31.17 | learner | don't do that again, please |
| 00:31.27 | Ice_Wewe | ok |
| 00:32.13 | Ice_Wewe | can this thing load .bzw or just .map, or both? |
| 00:33.03 | Ice_Wewe | learner? |
| 00:33.06 | trepan | both |
| 00:33.10 | Ice_Wewe | nice |
| 00:33.33 | trepan | sometimes it's just easier then explaining... |
| 00:34.28 | learner | fortunately for you it's harder to set +q with this client than it is in irssi |
| 00:34.30 | lovebug | withaspoon? |
| 00:34.46 | Ice_Wewe | lovebug no |
| 00:34.53 | Ice_Wewe | the peanut butter cups |
| 00:34.55 | trepan | give me a shine, and i'll make your problems disappear :) |
| 00:35.06 | Ice_Wewe | no thanks, more for me if I don;t |
| 00:35.33 | purple_cow | i never would have guessed |
| 00:35.34 | learner | Ice_Wewe, it's rather evident |
| 00:35.41 | learner | try to curb your energy a little bit if you would |
| 00:35.49 | Ice_Wewe | learner, really? |
| 00:35.54 | learner | i.e. shut it if you don't have anything useful to say :) |
| 00:36.00 | Ice_Wewe | oh |
| 00:36.10 | Ice_Wewe | did they fix the list server bug yet? |
| 00:36.35 | learner | the perverbial they, they maybe did you'd have to ask them |
| 00:36.50 | Ice_Wewe | Tupone, JeffM2501, other devs |
| 00:39.46 | Ice_Wewe | purple_cow, you were being sarcastic, right? |
| 00:40.23 | Ice_Wewe | bye |
| 00:40.32 | learner | wow |
| 00:41.07 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8241 10bzedit/scripts/bz_import.py: seems that pysco.full() makes a pretty big improvement in this. still seems to take forever |
| 00:42.06 | purple_cow | well, i for one am impressed |
| 00:45.17 | purple_cow | urgh |
| 00:45.33 | purple_cow | still 1:19 to import a flattened version of island hopping =P |
| 00:50.54 | learner | is that using blender's tesselator? |
| 00:51.06 | purple_cow | no, that's just importing the bzw data |
| 00:51.28 | learner | what's so slow then? |
| 00:51.50 | learner | python being throttled or something? |
| 00:52.01 | learner | map's not that complicated |
| 00:52.49 | purple_cow | something between pyparsing and blender is slowing it down |
| 00:52.58 | purple_cow | i haven't been able to get blender to play nice with python's profile module |
| 00:54.17 | purple_cow | to be fair, the flattened version is about 1.4M |
| 00:54.21 | purple_cow | but that's still a long time |
| 00:55.46 | learner | yes it is.. |
| 00:57.31 | CIA-5 | navi-misc: 03jupiter * r8242 10bzedit/scripts/ (BZFlag/Mesh.py BZFlag/Reader.py bz_import.py): fix drivethrough/etc parameters on mesh faces |
| 00:59.23 | purple_cow | i'm almost tempted to do something in pyrex for the parsing =/ |
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| 01:56.28 | Thumper_ | what's a flat file? (re /localset ...) |
| 01:59.02 | purple_cow | Thumper_: makes duplicates of the data when there's define+groups |
| 02:00.08 | Thumper_ | purple_cow: thx |
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| 02:40.03 | menotume | hey all |
| 02:40.21 | menotume | I'm writing up a webpage about 'lag' |
| 02:40.42 | menotume | I hope to put it in the wiki when done, and could use anyone's comments about accuracy |
| 02:40.53 | menotume | http://meno.zap-to.org/lag |
| 02:51.49 | menotume | If someone could just review the last paragraph for accuracy, it would be helpful |
| 02:53.01 | menotume | ohhh |
| 02:53.03 | menotume | ooops |
| 02:53.03 | learner | ~nslookup meno.zap-to.org |
| 02:53.20 | menotume | http://meno.zapto.org/lag |
| 02:53.24 | menotume | sry :( |
| 02:56.17 | learner | looks good |
| 02:56.24 | menotume | gerat, thx |
| 02:56.31 | menotume | err, 'great' |
| 02:56.40 | learner | maybe separate those three example images |
| 02:56.47 | learner | looks like one grid |
| 02:56.55 | menotume | i hope i can make it simple enough for the average user |
| 02:57.06 | menotume | ahh, yes |
| 02:58.11 | learner | nitpicking, red/green not the best colors .. wasn't sure at first if it was teams plus i'm fortunately not red/green colorblind |
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| 02:59.29 | menotume | hehe, yeah |
| 02:59.35 | menotume | that's what the program produces |
| 02:59.42 | learner | menotume, did you read the relatively recent dr paper on lag improvements? |
| 02:59.43 | menotume | i explained a little |
| 02:59.57 | menotume | i glanced over it |
| 03:00.13 | menotume | basically syncs times |
| 03:00.24 | menotume | so lag can be compensated ? |
| 03:00.40 | learner | i was thinking more the pictures |
| 03:00.46 | learner | but you say those pics were autogenerated? |
| 03:00.48 | menotume | ahhh |
| 03:00.58 | menotume | yes, they are not an illustration |
| 03:01.05 | learner | got it |
| 03:01.06 | menotume | it was a real situation |
| 03:01.10 | learner | "sample screen captures" |
| 03:01.28 | menotume | second section 'test suite' |
| 03:01.38 | menotume | yes, needs refinedment :) |
| 03:01.52 | learner | yeah, I saw it, just didn't sink in |
| 03:02.56 | menotume | :) |
| 03:03.01 | learner | as a player, the one question I'd ask after reading this is why was A's calculation wrong? |
| 03:03.04 | menotume | needs refinement, for sure |
| 03:03.15 | learner | the answer is "lag", but why is not exactly clear still |
| 03:03.19 | menotume | just wanted to make sure i understood hit-detection |
| 03:04.11 | menotume | right. gotya |
| 03:04.56 | menotume | i may ask for another review tomoorow :) |
| 03:05.04 | learner | hmm.. those kill zones are supposed to be real? I didn't think they actually extended to the turret tip |
| 03:05.20 | menotume | yes, they are |
| 03:05.24 | menotume | supposed to be |
| 03:05.45 | menotume | the turret size may not be accuate |
| 03:05.53 | menotume | I think Chestal added that in later |
| 03:06.08 | learner | ahh |
| 03:06.20 | menotume | the turret probably should be a little longer |
| 03:07.07 | menotume | lol |
| 03:08.52 | menotume | I see where I need to beef it up, but I'm going to put it away for the night, and look at it fresh tomorrow |
| 03:08.59 | menotume | thx learner |
| 03:09.08 | learner | looks pretty good |
| 03:09.12 | menotume | thx |
| 03:09.15 | learner | no mistakes even :) |
| 03:09.20 | menotume | once it's in the wiki - you can fix it :P |
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| 03:18.51 | orange | neat stuff meno |
| 03:19.14 | orange | ~menotume++ |
| 03:19.19 | orange | ~chestal++ |
| 03:19.25 | orange | (documentation = goodness :-) |
| 03:20.31 | trepan | menotume: good timing, i had just finished adding lag comp to the smart guard weapons |
| 03:30.16 | menotume | hehe |
| 03:30.21 | menotume | smart guard ? |
| 03:31.26 | trepan | triggered world weapon |
| 03:32.01 | trepan | with 'smartGuard' they'll also do predictive aiming, for parabolas and whatnot |
| 03:32.29 | trepan | original idea was to have them steal flags from base campers |
| 03:33.00 | trepan | that they do, but they're also team sensitive, you can assign a team to a guard that it will not shoot at (and they never steal team flags...) |
| 03:33.37 | learner | landmines |
| 03:34.07 | learner | basically fire a shot on proximity where distance is near zero ;) |
| 03:34.11 | trepan | yup, they got a spherical test zone, and not necessarily at their center |
| 03:34.40 | trepan | s/center/origin |
| 03:35.41 | orange | trepan, protocol breaking? |
| 03:36.04 | trepan | nope, server controlled |
| 03:36.08 | orange | yay :-) |
| 03:36.13 | orange | ~trepan++ |
| 03:36.17 | trepan | s/is/isn't |
| 03:36.36 | trepan | ... might bend it a little though |
| 03:38.14 | jpa- | morning |
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| 04:34.48 | menotume | morning <3 |
| 04:34.53 | menotume | hi Tupone |
| 04:34.59 | Tupone | hi |
| 04:35.13 | menotume | I think i may have fixed the prob - not sure yet |
| 04:35.32 | menotume | I tried so many things, 3 mice, all kinds of sound settings, etc. :) |
| 04:36.36 | Tupone | ahh, and then? |
| 04:36.45 | Tupone | what was it? gpm ? |
| 04:40.40 | learner | how exhausting.. 5 hours on a single bug |
| 04:42.13 | Tupone | eek, what a bug, and where? |
| 04:42.20 | Tupone | and morning learner |
| 04:43.47 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/common/cURLManager.cxx: Verbose info with debug level 2 |
| 04:45.45 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/common/cURLManager.cxx: Better debug level greater or equal 2 :) |
| 05:14.09 | trepan | hm, is it worth it to fix the meshpyr's flipz bug? (reported by Dervish) |
| 05:14.22 | menotume | learner: final draft done ... http://bzleague.com/lag |
| 05:14.29 | trepan | 1. box/pyr suck |
| 05:14.32 | trepan | 2. flipz sucks |
| 05:14.44 | menotume | trepan: all greek to me :P |
| 05:14.46 | trepan | 3. it would result in different map parsers lying around |
| 05:15.01 | trepan | 4. there are easy workarounds |
| 05:15.28 | trepan | 5. nowhere is it stated that meshpyr and pyramid have to be the same |
| 05:15.31 | menotume | easy fix - change the documentation instead :) |
| 05:15.49 | trepan | 6. did i mentionned that flipz sucks, always has? |
| 05:16.35 | trepan | menotume: hm, remove the meshpyr/meshbox listing from cods index in the manpage... sounds like a fix |
| 05:16.43 | menotume | :) |
| 05:17.22 | trepan | that keyword has haunted me for the past 1.5 yrs w.r.t. bz stuff :) |
| 05:17.31 | trepan | total nuissance for bzmapper |
| 05:18.08 | trepan | </spiel> |
| 05:18.13 | menotume | hehe |
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| 05:20.57 | menotume | wb tupone |
| 05:21.02 | tupone_laptop | hehe |
| 05:21.16 | tupone_laptop | so ... what was the problem? |
| 05:21.19 | menotume | to your question: i _think_ it may have been gpm |
| 05:21.23 | menotume | but, i can't be sure |
| 05:22.03 | menotume | i'll have to retrace my steps, one change at a time to be sure |
| 05:22.36 | tupone_laptop | why you don't get a joystick? I like it more :) |
| 05:22.43 | menotume | hmmmm |
| 05:22.59 | menotume | i was thinking trackball :) |
| 05:23.11 | menotume | I have a joystick here somewher - i should try it |
| 05:23.38 | tupone_laptop | at least it save your wrist (?) |
| 05:23.50 | menotume | perhpas :) |
| 05:25.27 | tupone_laptop | if you wanna buy one ... an USB one with lot of button :) I don't use the keyboard, except for chatting |
| 05:26.12 | menotume | kewl |
| 05:26.40 | learner | holie cajolie.. might have found it |
| 05:27.16 | tupone_laptop | joystick was my first contribution to bzflag and was rejected. So I had to wait to be accepted in here, and I introduced |
| 05:27.58 | tupone_laptop | so had to wait more then one year :/ |
| 05:27.58 | learner | rejected or left to rot in the patches graveyard? |
| 05:28.09 | tupone_laptop | left |
| 05:28.44 | learner | this project has a horrible habit of doing that for some reason |
| 05:28.58 | learner | worse than many |
| 05:29.02 | orange | patches welcome :-) |
| 05:29.06 | orange | so I've heard, anyway |
| 05:29.13 | learner | you'd think |
| 05:29.29 | learner | there's enough patches up now for another major release |
| 05:29.30 | tupone_laptop | the first time I did for 1.8 and Pat answer was :1.8 is not more in dev |
| 05:31.00 | tupone_laptop | well have to leave, sweet dream to all the oversea guy, and morning here. Bye |
| 05:31.05 | menotume | tupone_laptop: if i can find my joystick, you know i'm gonna ask how to map the buttons |
| 05:31.49 | orange | I always thought a gamepad would be good for bzflag |
| 05:32.14 | menotume | hmmm, i have usb converter for xbox gamepad |
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| 05:51.50 | noyb | hi there, what's new? It's been months since I've been in here... |
| 05:52.21 | noyb | brlcad: still there? |
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| 05:57.11 | learner | yes he is, though he's sleeping |
| 05:57.18 | menotume | sleep-typing |
| 06:23.22 | Pimpi | ~seen kierra |
| 06:23.24 | ibot | kierra <~d8ada652@genesis.concept69.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzleague, 7h 35m 13s ago, saying: 'meno?'. |
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| 07:09.19 | learner | 8 hours later and the bug is finally located and fixed |
| 07:12.15 | purple_cow | sounds like me a couple days ago on another project ;) |
| 07:13.17 | purple_cow | it's a good feeling |
| 07:14.26 | learner | sort of sick to my stomach .. maybe feel better if I hadn't inadvertently sort of caused the bug about 2 years ago |
| 07:15.09 | learner | or maybe it's my half-assed coffee I made with old old creamer |
| 07:16.03 | purple_cow | ew |
| 07:17.59 | learner | it's doing the job |
| 07:18.05 | purple_cow | heh |
| 07:18.44 | learner | i'm appreciative of good coffee, but in no way picky for my caffeine |
| 07:41.20 | learner | :) |
| 07:41.22 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 07:41.45 | ruskie | good morrow all |
| 07:41.55 | _Manu_ | hi ruskie! |
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| 14:16.20 | Pimpinella | ~seen kierra |
| 14:16.27 | ibot | kierra <~45f06abf@genesis.concept69.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzleague, 3m 42s ago, saying: 'ouch'. |
| 14:17.09 | RedBaron2 | you need kierra? |
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| 14:38.28 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, i saw him yesterday :-) |
| 14:39.02 | Pimpinella | her ;) |
| 14:39.11 | _Manu_ | ah.. heh.. :/ |
| 14:39.30 | _Manu_ | i only saw a tank :) |
| 14:39.37 | Pimpinella | fund her on #bzleague though |
| 14:39.42 | Pimpinella | found |
| 14:40.16 | RedBaron2 | lol |
| 14:40.36 | Pimpinella | lol? |
| 14:41.14 | RedBaron2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.34 | RedBaron2 | lot of peeps make that mistake at first :) |
| 14:41.51 | _Manu_ | that's because the cannon... :/ |
| 14:44.12 | Pimpinella | hehe |
| 14:44.27 | _Manu_ | :) |
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| 16:42.16 | Bagheera | so quiet......i guess everybody complaining about the jitter and lag conditions in 2.0 has worn everybody out. |
| 16:45.30 | SportyGal | grrrr |
| 16:45.50 | SportyGal | is someone else complaining about jitter (other than mine) or are you just picking on poor me again? |
| 16:47.28 | ruskie | ehh? |
| 16:47.56 | Bagheera | not just you Ms SportyGal |
| 16:48.08 | Bagheera | yetay is a good example |
| 16:48.17 | SportyGal | yay, someone ELSE finally |
| 16:48.44 | Bagheera | i am not sure he/she is as vocal about it however, but it is definitely similar to yours |
| 16:48.53 | SportyGal | it's NOT my nic card either - we tested another |
| 16:50.24 | Bagheera | anyhow, after playing consistently for awhile, I can say for sure that the game play is worse. |
| 16:50.34 | SportyGal | yes |
| 16:50.39 | SportyGal | it seems to get worse with time |
| 16:50.52 | SportyGal | I RARELY have any "good" moments anymore |
| 16:51.52 | Bagheera | i have noticed that my gameplay improves when I am playing on sp where all the people have similar lag.....but one bad lagger, and the whole game is crap |
| 16:53.26 | Bagheera | t timpson, when he joins, i have to shoot 3-4 more shots into all tanks....note the ALL.....to kill.......and his jitter is messed up. similar when I play early morning against more european players. |
| 16:53.50 | Bagheera | somehow the lag is less predicatable than it used to be. |
| 16:54.58 | Bagheera | i wonder if people running it on a lan have noticed anything? |
| 16:56.36 | Bagheera | oh well, thats my grumble session for the day.....its too nice out to be that bitter. |
| 16:59.15 | SportyGal | hehe |
| 17:02.02 | Bagheera | ~weather knak |
| 17:14.44 | ndim | When switching from bzf1 to bzf2 I had the impression that the extrapolation algorithm had changed. |
| 17:16.06 | SportyGal | ~weather klax |
| 17:16.17 | JeffM2501 | extrapolation? |
| 17:16.32 | JeffM2501 | the DR stuff? |
| 17:17.03 | Thumper_ | so what is up with the weird lag values for bzadmin clients? |
| 17:17.33 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't do all the right packets ( like player update ) so it dosn't get a proper lag calc |
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| 17:17.44 | JeffM2501 | never maters since it never joins as a player |
| 17:17.58 | Thumper_ | yes but it does get delayed messages |
| 17:18.00 | Thumper_ | by up to 10s |
| 17:18.13 | Thumper_ | I've seen that when bzflag and bzadmin on the same server |
| 17:18.25 | JeffM2501 | bzflag will take up a LOT of the CPUT time |
| 17:18.27 | Thumper_ | not that that is critical or anything... |
| 17:18.53 | JeffM2501 | that could lag out the admin app |
| 17:18.53 | srineer|laptop | can some one point me to where i can download a dedicated server for bzflag |
| 17:18.53 | JeffM2501 | client will use as much CPU as it can |
| 17:18.53 | Thumper_ | the admin app is on a different cpu |
| 17:19.03 | JeffM2501 | srineer|laptop, it's part of most binary distrobutions |
| 17:19.11 | JeffM2501 | in fact the only server is dedicated |
| 17:19.20 | JeffM2501 | that in game menu just calls the server ap by command line |
| 17:19.30 | srineer|laptop | where can i get the only server part? |
| 17:19.37 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? |
| 17:19.42 | srineer|laptop | linux |
| 17:19.47 | srineer|laptop | headless server |
| 17:19.50 | JeffM2501 | did you build it yourself |
| 17:19.54 | JeffM2501 | or get a binary? |
| 17:19.54 | srineer|laptop | suse9.1 |
| 17:20.15 | JeffM2501 | there should be a bzfs app in the same dir as bzflag |
| 17:20.15 | JeffM2501 | that's the server |
| 17:20.26 | JeffM2501 | unless you got it from like a debian package |
| 17:20.26 | srineer|laptop | cool, thanks |
| 17:21.19 | Thumper_ | 2 different systems on my lan - one with bzflag, one with bzadmin connecting to internet server (tuxee) bzadmin gets 5.2s lag and bzflag gets 129ms. and it looks like the text update is really 5s slow |
| 17:21.24 | Thumper_ | on the admin client |
| 17:21.32 | Thumper_ | weird |
| 17:21.46 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 17:21.51 | JeffM2501 | ask trepan he made it |
| 17:21.55 | Thumper_ | :) |
| 17:21.57 | Thumper_ | good answer |
| 17:24.09 | JeffM2501 | bzadmin isn't realy know any difrent to the server then any other client is |
| 17:24.16 | JeffM2501 | it's just a client that never spawns a tank |
| 17:26.52 | Tupone | bzadmin is from larsl IIRC. I'm wrong? |
| 17:27.35 | JeffM2501 | I thought trepan made it |
| 17:27.41 | JeffM2501 | but I could be wrong |
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| 17:40.17 | Thumper_ | Trepan should be more careful where he drives his tank... (leaving tracks everywhere...) |
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| 17:42.03 | Thumper_ | we should all have a history bzflag day... and go back (and suffer with) the 1.10 client for a few hours ;) |
| 17:44.45 | TimRiker | Thumper_: why stop there? 1.7c or so is in CVS. |
| 17:45.05 | Thumper_ | 1.10 is painful enough now... methinks |
| 17:45.15 | TimRiker | heh |
| 17:45.38 | Thumper_ | are 1.10 servers still running? |
| 17:51.54 | Bagheera | ~bzflist |
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| 17:58.48 | JeffM2501 | I have 1.7b2 |
| 17:58.56 | JeffM2501 | it dosn't even build anymore |
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| 18:00.05 | Bagheera | would be nice to find the original madcity and play that..... |
| 18:05.20 | uso_w | suffer with 1.10? only the server part of 1.10 is painful |
| 18:06.23 | uso_w | on client side it's more suffering with 2.0 atm, at least with not very fast hardware ;) |
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| 18:12.27 | JeffM2501 | you should go play 1.7 |
| 18:14.08 | trepan | with 1000 boxes |
| 18:14.13 | uso_w | may be :) |
| 18:14.27 | uso_w | never have played 1.7, can not compare it |
| 18:14.36 | uso_w | can only compare 1.10 and 2.0 |
| 18:15.29 | trepan | for small maps, it's probably the font rendering causing your slowness |
| 18:15.53 | trepan | have you tried it with the console disable? |
| 18:16.34 | uso_w | font rendering, texture mapping problems, cache issues, ... long list :) |
| 18:18.23 | uso_w | trepan: i usually play with console off, but it's painfull always switch it on and off for getting messages |
| 18:18.54 | Chestal | uso_w: have you tried the (ugly) bitmap font renderer? |
| 18:19.23 | uso_w | yes, also have tried that |
| 18:20.57 | uso_w | not to understand me wrong, maps on 2.0 are much nicer (like the Louman ones) |
| 18:21.31 | uso_w | but for playing a pillbox style game or even a gamesunited or viper map 1.10 is much more reactive |
| 18:22.01 | JeffM2501 | nothing is preventing you all from going back :) |
| 18:22.18 | uso_w | JeffM2501: the missing servers ;) |
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| 18:23.40 | JeffM2501 | start one :) |
| 18:23.44 | uso_w | there's no good server left on 1.10 besides knjiga |
| 18:26.15 | uso_w | if i would have more bandwidth i probably would run a few |
| 18:26.31 | brlcad | noyb: you rang? |
| 18:26.47 | uso_w | but most deficits of 1.10 are on server side |
| 18:42.36 | Bagheera | but it played clean |
| 18:43.24 | Pimpinella | server side deficits are mostly administrative goodies |
| 18:43.31 | brlcad | as opposed to playing dirty? :) |
| 18:43.38 | Pimpinella | gameplay did fine |
| 18:43.43 | uso_w | Pimpinella: that's what i mean |
| 18:44.31 | Pimpinella | some of them can be backported with almost no effort |
| 18:44.46 | uso_w | extended permissions, better logging, ... |
| 18:45.09 | Bagheera | who needs permissions....just ban'em all :) |
| 18:45.09 | Pimpinella | hm, logging is mostly unchanged |
| 18:45.31 | brlcad | hmm.. where have I heard that before.. |
| 18:45.41 | Pimpinella | ;) |
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| 18:47.15 | Pimpinella | some of the new permissions are portable too |
| 18:47.46 | Bagheera | hate to lose the louman maps though......playing in space was kinda neat |
| 18:48.56 | uso_w | yeah, but always having blackouts isn't fun on the space station :( |
| 18:49.48 | Bagheera | heh, yeah, I really cant play the same way anymore......which might be good, because it has cut back on my 5 hour play days |
| 18:50.19 | uso_w | :) |
| 18:52.00 | trepan | uso_w: you the guy with the ATI card and gfx weirdness? |
| 18:52.25 | uso_w | ya |
| 18:53.04 | trepan | iirc, it seemed like it was dynamic colors causing at least some of your probs |
| 18:53.08 | uso_w | the "light off" syndrom :) |
| 18:53.24 | trepan | could easily make a client that disable them via the conf. file |
| 18:53.44 | uso_w | ah, worth a try |
| 18:53.51 | trepan | would be better to fix it, but you've to to find someone with the skills, and the prob |
| 18:57.00 | Bagheera | then you can play, but it will still be dirty |
| 18:57.49 | uso_w | trepan: where is this handled? DYNCOLORMGR? |
| 18:58.03 | trepan | uso_w: MeshSceneNodeGenerator.cxx, find "node->setDynamicColor(dc);" and replace the 'dc' with 'NULL' |
| 18:58.06 | uso_w | Bagheera: always better than not being able to play ;) |
| 18:58.33 | trepan | oops, better way... |
| 18:58.35 | Bagheera | i think i want louman to build a world where all you do is explore..... |
| 18:58.54 | trepan | change this: const DynamicColor* dyncol = DYNCOLORMGR.getColor(mat->getDynamicColor()); |
| 18:59.13 | trepan | to this: const DynamicColor* dyncol = NULL; |
| 18:59.14 | uso_w | yeah, a very large world to explore, changing a bit every day |
| 19:01.28 | trepan | world portals... |
| 19:03.27 | Bagheera | yep |
| 19:05.21 | uso_w | trepan: there are 3 DYNCOLORMGR.getColor 's, replace all of them by NULL? |
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| 19:07.08 | trepan | hm, only the last one (in setupNodeMaterial) |
| 19:07.47 | uso_w | i know :) |
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| 19:09.21 | uso_w | i'm not on the ati now, i'll try it at home |
| 19:10.08 | lala | aloha ladies ;oP |
| 19:10.20 | menotume | aloha LayDee |
| 19:10.34 | lala | memo! :) |
| 19:10.46 | menotume | LayDee from lala-land! |
| 19:11.13 | lala | psssssssst :) |
| 19:11.50 | Pimpinella | hey, he's from lala-land, get him |
| 19:12.05 | menotume | :) |
| 19:13.17 | lala | whaz up? |
| 19:16.37 | _Manu_ | la la la.. old eurovision winner song 1968 |
| 19:18.10 | lala | maybe ;o) |
| 19:18.13 | lala | dunno |
| 19:18.15 | jpa- | lalalala |
| 19:23.29 | _Manu_ | lala, here is ;) http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest |
| 19:23.55 | lala | LOL |
| 19:25.15 | Pimpinella | Udo Juergens started for luxembourg? thought he was austrian |
| 19:26.06 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, don't remember now.. |
| 19:26.40 | _Manu_ | I was too young :/ |
| 19:28.04 | lala | pimp u dont nothing bah ;P |
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| 20:02.49 | Bagheera | grumble, grumble, have to move the abuse logs over to debian to do a sort....grumble, flipping windows....grumble... |
| 20:07.10 | Bagheera | its not the moving thats the issue.....its that i wanted to do a quick grep.....probably should install cygwin....but .....ug.....its done, pain over.... |
| 20:09.08 | uso_w | that's why i mentioned smbmount to do the grep on linux without moving first :) |
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| 20:11.28 | uso_w | eeek, complete rebuild after cvs update |
| 20:11.29 | CBG | ~bzfquery cbg.kicks-ass.org |
| 20:11.43 | CBG | ~bzfquery server.kaziaz.com |
| 20:12.58 | CBG | Gah. Dumb host support team! |
| 20:15.07 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, so how long have you been puting "trojans" in your bzflag windows builds? |
| 20:15.14 | DTRemenak | hm? |
| 20:15.27 | JeffM2501 | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3771 |
| 20:15.44 | DTRemenak | heh, fun |
| 20:16.07 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:16.22 | orange | naughty |
| 20:16.27 | JeffM2501 | I know you put them in there to get personal info from users, so you can get ipods for yourself. |
| 20:16.39 | DTRemenak | hahaha |
| 20:17.08 | JeffM2501 | ill begoten ipods! |
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| 20:32.11 | Bagheera | DTRemenak< keep those trojans in your wallet and out of bzflag. :) |
| 20:32.19 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 20:33.07 | Bagheera | ....and if you have a couple, <cough>, spare ipods, <cough>, .....well, i might know some people who know some people.... |
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| 20:37.43 | orange | though a shot of scotch will work about as well |
| 20:39.38 | Bagheera | orange< you have helped the Grumbler, he is much pleased. You are now family. I'm gonna send a little package your way....consider it a thank you for helping the Grumbler. |
| 20:40.21 | orange | mmm, an ipod :-) |
| 20:40.32 | Bagheera | heh |
| 20:40.48 | Bagheera | ...or one of DTR's trojans. |
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| 20:55.51 | CBG | How many players can I expect to host on a 200kbps upstream line? |
| 20:56.03 | Carnage_bz | dunno |
| 20:56.22 | Thumper_ | 5? |
| 20:56.42 | CBG | I was told I should be able to get 4/5 on 128kbps. :( |
| 20:56.52 | Carnage_bz | 4 and a half.. |
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| 20:57.05 | Thumper_ | I can handle about 20 with 800kbps uplink |
| 20:57.21 | CBG | Hmmm. How many shots? |
| 20:57.34 | Thumper_ | well that's hard to answer... |
| 20:57.40 | Thumper_ | the 20 players are spread over multiple servers :) |
| 20:57.47 | CBG | Ah... |
| 20:58.09 | CBG | Wuld the average be about 4 shots? |
| 20:58.10 | Thumper_ | I haven't measured it with a single server |
| 20:58.11 | Bagheera | if you keep shots to 4-5, you might get 9 |
| 20:58.24 | CBG | Bagheera: Really? |
| 20:58.33 | Bagheera | on the far outside |
| 20:58.48 | CBG | Also, do observers count? |
| 20:58.55 | Bagheera | yes |
| 20:59.03 | Bagheera | not as much as players though |
| 20:59.05 | Thumper_ | but local observers don't |
| 20:59.14 | Thumper_ | or local players (if they have a fast link to the server) |
| 20:59.20 | Bagheera | lan players |
| 20:59.22 | CBG | Hmm. Ok. Thanks all! |
| 21:00.08 | Bagheera | .....hopefully that is 200kbps is a "good" link and not just standard carp |
| 21:01.54 | blast007 | observers and local players would still cause the same amount of outgoing data from the server |
| 21:02.39 | blast007 | hmm, well local players might a little less, but not much |
| 21:04.04 | Bagheera | i dont think shots go to observers, just com stuff |
| 21:04.35 | blast007 | no, they do |
| 21:04.42 | Bagheera | why? |
| 21:04.43 | blast007 | you can see people shooting when observing |
| 21:04.45 | Bagheera | thats dumb |
| 21:05.02 | Bagheera | ah, observer....i was thinking bzadmin |
| 21:05.08 | blast007 | ....how else would you see the bullets? |
| 21:05.11 | blast007 | ah |
| 21:05.13 | Bagheera | yep, i am wrong |
| 21:05.32 | Bagheera | observers should be ban'ed :) |
| 21:05.36 | blast007 | hehe |
| 21:05.41 | ruskie | why? |
| 21:05.42 | Bagheera | he will find out |
| 21:05.44 | JeffM2501 | hmm carnie didn't stay very long |
| 21:07.13 | Bagheera | i scared him away... |
| 21:07.32 | JeffM2501 | he asked me a question the left before i could answer |
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| 21:11.50 | Bagheera | some people think that people just sit here and wait to answer questions because they have no life outside of bzflag..........and everybody here knows that this only applies to purple_cow and ibot. |
| 21:12.51 | brlcad | yes? what? how may i help you today? |
| 21:13.00 | purple_cow | heh |
| 21:13.03 | ruskie | Bagheera, whenevr I'm not at work that's basicaly what I do :) |
| 21:13.15 | ruskie | or ask them |
| 21:15.36 | ruskie | afk -sleep |
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| 21:17.51 | Bagheera | you will have to excuse my attitude.......i have just spent the last month+ building 2 1k rams from scratch.........and I am not quite sane......or not quite as sane as I used to be. |
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| 21:20.59 | DTRemenak | sanity is relative |
| 21:22.07 | JeffM2501 | relitivity is sane |
| 21:22.36 | Bagheera | dating relatives is just wrong |
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| 21:34.16 | brlcad | Bagheera: you build rams? do you build goats too? |
| 21:42.30 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, did you ever figure out why BZ dosn't build on 10.4 |
| 21:42.41 | brlcad | yep |
| 21:42.49 | brlcad | commited it to, didn't I? |
| 21:42.54 | JeffM2501 | don't remember |
| 21:42.58 | brlcad | think so |
| 21:43.00 | JeffM2501 | I'll try when I get home then |
| 21:43.55 | brlcad | one of the preprocessor macros we were using for _FD_SET was the same one that apple had used to denote system functionality |
| 21:44.08 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 21:44.12 | brlcad | so we "broke" the reading of the sys/types.h header |
| 21:44.22 | JeffM2501 | so should it use GCC4 or the older one? |
| 21:44.31 | brlcad | shouldn't matter now |
| 21:44.34 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 21:44.42 | JeffM2501 | ibot, brlcad++ |
| 21:44.55 | Bagheera | brlcad< yep big goats......with 4 butts |
| 21:44.59 | brlcad | though I believe when I tested, you still had it set to 3.3 .. have to gcc_select 4 again |
| 21:45.03 | JeffM2501 | ewww |
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| 22:56.42 | trepan | $/model? |
| 22:57.40 | JeffM2501 | 9.95$ |
| 22:57.49 | JeffM2501 | for 37 models with textures |
| 22:58.08 | trepan | got a link? |
| 22:58.20 | JeffM2501 | uploading thumbnails now |
| 22:59.00 | purple_cow | silly me, thinking you were talking about the physical models that you build ;) |
| 22:59.06 | JeffM2501 | heh |
| 22:59.18 | JeffM2501 | those cost more then 10$ |
| 22:59.41 | trepan | s/momentary/momentarily |
| 22:59.47 | JeffM2501 | those can cost less then 10$ |
| 22:59.51 | JeffM2501 | but they may be funky |
| 23:00.08 | JeffM2501 | http://myth.gibbscam.com/temp/model/ |
| 23:00.23 | JeffM2501 | dono if I can use the impalla tho :) |
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| 23:30.23 | uso | trepan: your hack does not help :( |
| 23:31.58 | uso | if you wanna see a snapshot: http://uso.ath.cx/bzflag lightoff_bzfi0000.jpg and lightoff_bzfi0001.jpg |
| 23:33.53 | trepan | uso: there isn't much i can do for you from here |
| 23:35.43 | uso | no problem, i wait for your changes of rendering to get into cvs :) |
| 23:36.02 | trepan | they might not help |
| 23:36.12 | trepan | s/might/may |
| 23:36.26 | uso | may be ... |
| 23:36.32 | trepan | ... and throw a probably in there somewhere |
| 23:38.04 | uso | all i can say that switching off depth buffer helps, but otherwise drops down frame rate |
| 23:38.38 | uso | if i can do other tests to help be free to ask |
| 23:39.15 | uso | :) |
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