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| 00:01.36 | brlcad | hehe |
| 00:03.15 | JeffM2501 | sucks that you can't use both USB and the firewire |
| 00:03.17 | JeffM2501 | at the same time |
| 00:03.29 | JeffM2501 | I'd rather have firewire drivespeeds and the extra USB ports |
| 00:03.47 | brlcad | hmm |
| 00:03.59 | brlcad | that's what it says it does it sounds |
| 00:04.21 | brlcad | it just won't mount as a usb disk and a firewire disk |
| 00:04.30 | Death_Barrel | is tim around? |
| 00:04.31 | brlcad | it becomes a hub when firewire is connected |
| 00:04.38 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 00:04.38 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:04.40 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 00:04.46 | JeffM2501 | I think I'll have to get one |
| 00:04.58 | JeffM2501 | drive space is starting to run out |
| 00:05.00 | uso_w | make sure the ide bridge really runs at firewire speed |
| 00:05.12 | JeffM2501 | who cares if it dosn't |
| 00:05.23 | JeffM2501 | if it dosn't then it still going to run as fast as it can |
| 00:05.35 | JeffM2501 | and that's as fast as I can ask it to run :) |
| 00:05.47 | uso_w | never have seen such an external device running with more than 20 mb/s, neither firewire nor usb |
| 00:06.00 | JeffM2501 | probably max transfer of the drive |
| 00:06.04 | uso_w | no |
| 00:06.05 | JeffM2501 | so what's it mater |
| 00:06.09 | JeffM2501 | ok then the IDE thing |
| 00:06.12 | JeffM2501 | again |
| 00:06.14 | JeffM2501 | so what's it mater |
| 00:06.29 | brlcad | minimate 80 is $150, not too shabby |
| 00:06.30 | JeffM2501 | if thats the fastest they run, then that's the fastest they run |
| 00:06.47 | JeffM2501 | yeah, can't find an external drive for much cheaper |
| 00:06.48 | spldart | Are we talking external HDs? I love my external HD. |
| 00:06.56 | uso_w | drive runs with about 60 mb/s on an pc internal controller |
| 00:06.59 | spldart | But mine is only usb 2.0 :( |
| 00:07.05 | spldart | I get half of dma 100 speed |
| 00:07.14 | JeffM2501 | uso_w, my internal drive bay is full |
| 00:07.16 | JeffM2501 | I need more |
| 00:07.19 | JeffM2501 | that means external |
| 00:08.01 | uso_w | ok, these are different constrains :) |
| 00:08.07 | uso_w | +t |
| 00:08.11 | JeffM2501 | did you LOOK at the link? |
| 00:08.16 | brlcad | would have been icing on the cake if it pulled power from the firewire and usb lines |
| 00:08.19 | JeffM2501 | and see what it's going into |
| 00:08.29 | JeffM2501 | brlcad, yeah but I'll bet it pulls a lot of power |
| 00:08.29 | uso_w | no |
| 00:08.35 | JeffM2501 | it's for a mac mini |
| 00:08.40 | JeffM2501 | the drive goes under it |
| 00:08.41 | uso_w | was a general remark |
| 00:08.41 | JeffM2501 | perfectly |
| 00:08.45 | JeffM2501 | and has USB hubs |
| 00:09.23 | JeffM2501 | still even as a general remark, if the IDE bus on the external devices can't go faster then 20, it dosn't mater, cust that's as fast as they all go |
| 00:09.30 | spldart | In fact I'm transfering 12 gig collected at work onto my home raid now :) |
| 00:09.34 | JeffM2501 | so there is nothing to watch out for |
| 00:09.43 | JeffM2501 | it's just the fact that externals are not as fast as internals |
| 00:09.54 | spldart | I like pie. |
| 00:10.01 | JeffM2501 | underpants |
| 00:10.02 | spldart | ...and external HDs |
| 00:10.42 | uso_w | my experiences, usual discrepancies between ads (up to 400/480 mbits/s) and reallity (usual 10 mb/s) |
| 00:11.24 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 00:11.54 | uso_w | but if there left no space you are forced to externals |
| 00:12.16 | JeffM2501 | generaly if you are firewire you are talking external allready :) |
| 00:14.27 | Death_Barrel | anyone got access to bzflag.org dns ? |
| 00:14.42 | JeffM2501 | Tim |
| 00:15.19 | Death_Barrel | he be here later? |
| 00:15.29 | JeffM2501 | dono |
| 00:15.31 | Death_Barrel | ~seen TimRiker |
| 00:15.39 | ibot | timriker <~timr@TimRiker.active.supporter.pdpc> was last seen on IRC in channel #classiccmp, 2h 4m 42s ago, saying: 'k. well I'll dig into some of other stuff first. I've got some restoration work todo before I can boot up my old HP anyway.'. |
| 00:15.39 | JeffM2501 | not my day to watch him |
| 00:15.40 | JeffM2501 | send him an e-mail with the domain you want |
| 00:15.45 | JeffM2501 | and he'll probably add it |
| 00:16.03 | Death_Barrel | hes done it for me before |
| 00:16.10 | Death_Barrel | tim@rikers.com |
| 00:16.12 | Death_Barrel | right? |
| 00:16.14 | JeffM2501 | then it should not be a problem |
| 00:16.15 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 00:16.18 | Death_Barrel | cool |
| 00:16.21 | Death_Barrel | thx |
| 00:18.26 | uso_w | anyway, a nice box, JeffM2501 |
| 00:18.52 | JeffM2501 | I'd realy like to find a cheap firewire 5.25 enclosure |
| 00:18.56 | JeffM2501 | for a optical |
| 00:19.02 | JeffM2501 | so I can put a dvd burner on it |
| 00:19.42 | uso_w | cheap could be the problem :) |
| 00:19.52 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 00:22.52 | JeffM2501 | I have my own drives and stuff |
| 00:30.20 | spldart | I get 70 mb/sec on a caviar on ide0, 110mb/sec on my raid and 11mb/sec on my usb external. |
| 00:30.44 | JeffM2501 | I play MP3s |
| 00:31.44 | spldart | C: holds os and installed programs. Raid D: holds all my video's for editing and encoding and my portable HD is just for stealing intellectual property and bringing it home ;) |
| 00:31.45 | spldart | LOL |
| 00:35.16 | JeffM2501 | I check mail |
| 00:35.18 | JeffM2501 | and play wow |
| 00:37.01 | spldart | Ugg... Newegg has changed it's site again :(... I got used to the old format |
| 00:37.26 | spldart | Hrm... I generally have both Bartons 100% duty cycle here :eek: |
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| 00:45.14 | uso_w | eeek, i messed it up, first shot, first crash :( |
| 00:46.27 | brlcad | crash?? pfft. wuss |
| 00:51.55 | uso_w | did it the C-way, with arrays, pointer and & ... |
| 00:52.32 | uso_w | something must be pointing wrong ;) |
| 00:53.13 | uso_w | "pointer im schilf" |
| 00:53.35 | uso_w | dono what to say for this in english :) |
| 00:56.17 | brlcad | ibot translate de en pointer im schilf |
| 01:00.48 | uso_w | it's an idiom for the C disease, having a pointer uninitialized or pointing to an invalid address, causing a program to crash |
| 01:01.32 | brlcad | is that like the n disease? |
| 01:02.13 | uso_w | probably even difficult to cure :) |
| 01:04.02 | uso_w | ~x en de popped |
| 01:04.10 | uso_w | :) |
| 01:04.51 | uso_w | what are you doing? |
| 01:22.02 | brlcad | penguin mints |
| 01:22.07 | brlcad | caffeine |
| 01:22.22 | brlcad | I'm coding, what are you doing? |
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| 01:28.59 | brlcad | howdy MeBigFatGuy ` |
| 01:29.04 | MeBigFatGuy | yo |
| 01:29.17 | uso_w | have fixed my pointer :) |
| 01:29.34 | uso_w | ahh, penguin mints :) |
| 01:30.24 | uso_w | going home to test if it really runs now |
| 01:33.34 | DTRemenak | brlcad, ever considered taking your caffien intraveneously? |
| 01:34.58 | brlcad | of course |
| 01:35.28 | DTRemenak | ever actually implemented a solution do deliver it that way? :) |
| 01:35.37 | DTRemenak | nto even |
| 01:35.37 | brlcad | hehe |
| 01:35.39 | DTRemenak | to even |
| 01:35.41 | DTRemenak | ndang |
| 01:35.44 | brlcad | nhehe |
| 01:35.45 | blast007 | :) |
| 01:35.48 | DTRemenak | ahhh. maybe I should just stop typing |
| 01:35.57 | brlcad | nahhh :) |
| 01:38.00 | brlcad | mm.. taco cravings are going to win, maybe |
| 01:42.01 | spldart | Nice to know CoH holds a grudge... AKA slon I believe *rolleyes* |
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| 03:38.43 | spldart | ~weather ksgr |
| 03:38.57 | BenUrban | ok, i think i got it.. |
| 03:38.58 | BenUrban | heh, been distracted by tv |
| 03:43.09 | BenUrban | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.09 | BenUrban | wtf is that? |
| 03:45.49 | brlcad | it makes your computer explode |
| 03:46.03 | BenUrban | it better not be what i think it is.... |
| 03:49.48 | jpa- | ~weather eftu |
| 03:50.00 | BenUrban | ~weather stfu |
| 03:50.05 | BenUrban | *just curious( |
| 03:50.09 | BenUrban | heh |
| 03:50.14 | jpa- | warm \o/ |
| 03:50.29 | BenUrban | ~weather wtop |
| 03:50.36 | BenUrban | sigh |
| 03:54.18 | brlcad | BenUrban: do you have a major airport nearby? |
| 03:54.41 | BenUrban | yeah, a few |
| 03:54.42 | brlcad | of course you do.. what's the name/symbols for it? |
| 03:54.46 | BenUrban | ~weather bwi |
| 03:54.53 | BenUrban | sonofabitch |
| 03:54.57 | brlcad | hey, a fellow marylander? |
| 03:55.00 | BenUrban | yep |
| 03:55.03 | brlcad | ~weather kbwi |
| 03:55.06 | brlcad | whereabouts? |
| 03:55.15 | BenUrban | ~weather wtop |
| 03:55.16 | BenUrban | :D |
| 03:55.19 | brlcad | nice and cool out tonight |
| 03:55.29 | BenUrban | within a few miles of the transmitter tower |
| 03:55.39 | brlcad | of bwi? |
| 03:55.42 | BenUrban | of wtop |
| 03:55.53 | brlcad | hmm.. wtop is? |
| 03:55.56 | brlcad | ~wtop |
| 03:56.01 | BenUrban | a local radio station |
| 03:56.19 | brlcad | ehh |
| 03:56.21 | brlcad | frequency? |
| 03:56.26 | BenUrban | 1500 am |
| 03:56.28 | brlcad | ahh |
| 03:56.29 | BenUrban | i forget the fm |
| 03:56.34 | BenUrban | 107.7 iirc |
| 03:56.40 | brlcad | which county? |
| 03:56.43 | BenUrban | montgomery |
| 03:56.54 | brlcad | got it |
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| 03:57.13 | brlcad | there goes another marylander ;) |
| 03:57.18 | BenUrban | heh |
| 03:57.30 | BenUrban | so whereabots are you? |
| 03:57.32 | brlcad | we're up in the boonies |
| 03:57.40 | BenUrban | the boonies..... |
| 03:57.41 | brlcad | mbfg moreso that I even |
| 03:57.52 | brlcad | harford most of the time |
| 03:58.30 | brlcad | aberdeen area |
| 03:58.51 | BenUrban | silver spring here |
| 03:59.05 | brlcad | know it fairly well |
| 03:59.55 | brlcad | worked there on a contract for about a year, and it used to be my metro hub into the city for years until I started driving in |
| 04:00.08 | BenUrban | ah |
| 04:12.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/modeltool.cxx: permit OBJ negative indexing, bump version to 1.6 |
| 04:12.58 | trepan | for the LightWave folks... |
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| 04:14.23 | M|CK | hey, i just wondered how to map out my joypad so i can have the fire button on my joypad so i don't have to use my keyboard or mouse at all... |
| 04:14.27 | M|CK | the directional buttons work fine |
| 04:20.46 | M|CK | hello? |
| 04:20.48 | BenUrban | http://rafb.net/paste/results/AErmZ881.html |
| 04:20.53 | BenUrban | does that look ok? |
| 04:21.57 | M|CK | anyone know what im talking about? |
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| 04:32.18 | uso | are there no SE flags on viper? |
| 04:33.10 | uso | 3 of 5 with ST that sucks |
| 04:39.32 | BenUrban | nuts, the patch didn't work... |
| 04:39.54 | BenUrban | heh, it was hard to get all the players to stand still )in the right places) |
| 04:42.46 | BenUrban | ooh, i wonder if tadd's server is still up... |
| 04:42.56 | BenUrban | that's what inspired this patch in the first place... |
| 04:45.33 | BenUrban | nuts |
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| 05:23.03 | BenUrban | i stand corrected |
| 05:23.06 | BenUrban | it does work |
| 05:23.08 | BenUrban | somewhat |
| 05:23.21 | BenUrban | it seems to only work when i am looking almost directly at someone |
| 05:24.54 | BenUrban | what's utility function that bzflag uses for arc cosine? |
| 05:26.09 | DTRemenak | BenUrban, acos for doubles, acosf for floats |
| 05:26.40 | BenUrban | oh, so it uses the funcs from math.h? |
| 05:29.35 | BenUrban | i hope that two tanks can never be at exactly the same point at exactly the same time |
| 05:29.41 | BenUrban | while one of them is targeting |
| 05:30.00 | BenUrban | heh, it would cause an error in the original code anyway |
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| 05:49.05 | BenUrban | hmm...what's the formula for the angle between two vectors? |
| 05:50.47 | trepan | acos ( dot product / (len1 * len2) ) |
| 05:50.56 | BenUrban | that's what i thought |
| 05:51.01 | BenUrban | it's not working... |
| 05:51.15 | BenUrban | it's throwing my targeting off completely |
| 05:51.17 | BenUrban | sort of |
| 05:51.35 | trepan | returned in radians |
| 05:51.45 | BenUrban | well the unit doesn't matter to me |
| 05:51.54 | BenUrban | since i'm only comparing it to other angles |
| 05:52.00 | BenUrban | compted the same way |
| 05:52.33 | BenUrban | http://rafb.net/paste/results/fKFlxe66.html |
| 05:52.48 | BenUrban | trepan: does that look like it should work? |
| 05:53.58 | BenUrban | heh |
| 05:53.59 | BenUrban | ok |
| 05:54.15 | BenUrban | well i'm done trying to figure this out for the night |
| 05:54.54 | BenUrban | btw apparently hepcat overlord is a nice place to test it :) |
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| 07:54.52 | brlcad | someone else is up late too.. hmm |
| 07:55.10 | DTRemenak | not too late |
| 07:55.13 | DTRemenak | only 1 am here |
| 07:55.16 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/common.vcproj: cURLManager.h |
| 07:55.18 | DTRemenak | you, sir, are up late :) |
| 07:57.01 | ruskie | :) |
| 08:02.20 | DTRemenak | hehe |
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| 12:49.07 | _Manu_ | and: http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3555 who told spam? |
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| 14:19.14 | BenUrban | well i figured out why it wasn't working |
| 14:19.23 | BenUrban | i had forgotten to subtract z0 |
| 14:19.41 | BenUrban | anyway, i'm at work now, so i can't really test it... |
| 14:19.46 | BenUrban | would anyone else care to? |
| 14:20.49 | BenUrban | http://rafb.net/paste/results/m4U7BB33.html <-- my patch |
| 14:22.25 | jpa- | what does it do? |
| 14:23.34 | BenUrban | it changes the targeting method so that tanks that are closer to your turret's direction are preferentially targeted |
| 14:23.43 | BenUrban | rather than purely by distance |
| 14:24.00 | jpa- | actually, doesn't it do that now? |
| 14:24.09 | jpa- | but i see you have added z-thingie to it |
| 14:24.13 | BenUrban | yeah |
| 14:24.19 | BenUrban | but no, it didn't do that before |
| 14:24.26 | TheRedBaron | nope. some where in the version changes, the lock-on method was changed. |
| 14:29.55 | BenUrban | anyway, back to work |
| 14:30.03 | BenUrban | please let me know if it works (or doesn't) |
| 14:30.22 | BenUrban | btw, i recommend hepcat for testing |
| 14:30.28 | BenUrban | (the one with flags) |
| 14:30.46 | BenUrban | seems to have enough people in it to do the trick |
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| 15:22.08 | BenUrban | JeffM2501: wanna try my patch? i think i fixed it, but i'm at work so i can't test it |
| 15:22.29 | BenUrban | heh, i had forgotten to subtract z0 |
| 15:22.41 | BenUrban | http://rafb.net/paste/results/m4U7BB33.html |
| 15:23.01 | BenUrban | i'll probably try it during my lunch break actually... |
| 15:23.27 | JeffM2501 | I'm at work too |
| 15:24.11 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 15:24.13 | BenUrban | ok |
| 15:28.58 | bendy24 | has anyone reported a bug with the hig speed flag and being kicked? |
| 15:29.35 | bendy24 | you simply have to pause with the hs flag flag and you are then kicked for moving too fast |
| 15:29.51 | JeffM2501 | the speed check isn't perfect |
| 15:30.31 | bendy24 | i was just checking if this is a known problem |
| 15:30.45 | JeffM2501 | it's known it's not perfect |
| 15:30.59 | bendy24 | kk |
| 15:31.36 | TheRedBaron | what about stealing the HS in mid air. get kicked for the same reason too. |
| 15:32.48 | jpa- | humm.. |
| 15:32.54 | JeffM2501 | it's not pefect |
| 15:33.00 | JeffM2501 | patches welcome |
| 15:33.02 | jpa- | the speed doesn't change until you land? |
| 15:33.17 | jpa- | ..i think |
| 15:33.24 | JeffM2501 | the speed check got realy complicated, so I'm sure many things triger it |
| 15:33.33 | TheRedBaron | jpa-, it shouldn't... |
| 15:33.42 | JeffM2501 | the server dosn't realy have a complet4e gamestate |
| 15:33.54 | JeffM2501 | so it can't check "rules" like you don't get speed till you land |
| 15:33.56 | TheRedBaron | isnt theif speed and HS speed the same.? or is thief slightly faster? |
| 15:34.15 | jpa- | JeffM2501: ah, true |
| 15:34.31 | JeffM2501 | the problem is probably that you no longer have theif for a bit yet are movng faster then normal |
| 15:34.52 | JeffM2501 | states come thru at difrent places |
| 15:35.06 | JeffM2501 | lose theif -> update -> get HS |
| 15:36.00 | TheRedBaron | ah. i though that was the problem |
| 15:40.54 | BenUrban | heh, i guess i can't test it during lunch |
| 15:40.58 | BenUrban | boss is here :P |
| 15:44.07 | JeffM2501 | they don't let you work on open source projects in your off time? |
| 15:44.17 | BenUrban | hehe |
| 15:44.35 | BenUrban | he wouldn't appreciate the difference between testing a patch and playing a game |
| 15:44.53 | JeffM2501 | they don't let you play games in your off time? |
| 15:44.57 | BenUrban | well... |
| 15:45.08 | BenUrban | considering that i only take 15 minutes for lunch... |
| 15:45.15 | BenUrban | (usually) |
| 15:45.24 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 15:45.29 | JeffM2501 | our state law requires 30 min |
| 15:45.32 | JeffM2501 | but we get an hour |
| 15:45.47 | BenUrban | heh, i could get as much as i want (i guess) |
| 15:45.52 | BenUrban | but i only need 15 minutes |
| 15:46.13 | JeffM2501 | what do you do? |
| 15:46.32 | BenUrban | "technical specialist" |
| 15:46.34 | TheRedBaron | hmm i get 1hr also. |
| 15:46.47 | BenUrban | heh, most of what i do is reinstall windows |
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| 15:47.07 | JeffM2501 | IT support? |
| 15:47.30 | BenUrban | not quite |
| 15:47.32 | BenUrban | well |
| 15:47.33 | BenUrban | sort of |
| 15:47.43 | BenUrban | i reinstall windows for clients |
| 15:47.49 | BenUrban | http://www.simplycomputers.net/ |
| 15:48.52 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 15:48.55 | JeffM2501 | customer support |
| 15:48.57 | JeffM2501 | fun |
| 15:48.59 | BenUrban | heh |
| 15:49.00 | BenUrban | yep |
| 15:49.06 | JeffM2501 | who's the hottie on the main page? |
| 15:49.06 | bendy24 | that will probably fix most windows problems |
| 15:49.10 | BenUrban | lmao |
| 15:49.17 | bendy24 | for a while |
| 15:49.19 | BenUrban | never seen her anywhere except on that website |
| 15:49.32 | BenUrban | bendy24: heh, only software problems |
| 15:49.55 | bendy24 | the spyware/viruses are getting real bad though |
| 15:50.17 | BenUrban | well one of the things we do is install a security package |
| 15:50.28 | TheRedBaron | hmm, red-hair, glasses, estimated 5ft tall... |
| 15:50.29 | BenUrban | that handles that stuff |
| 15:50.34 | bendy24 | there is no one security package to handle spyware |
| 15:50.36 | BenUrban | lol |
| 15:50.40 | BenUrban | true |
| 15:50.42 | TheRedBaron | yup That meets Jeff's requirements... |
| 15:50.45 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 15:50.46 | jpa- | hmm.. that pc on the main page is _hot_ |
| 15:50.57 | bendy24 | damnit, now i have to look |
| 15:51.01 | BenUrban | LMAO |
| 15:51.19 | jpa- | tft.. no keyboard :P~~~ |
| 15:51.25 | bendy24 | yeah |
| 15:51.29 | bendy24 | she would do in a pinch |
| 15:51.32 | BenUrban | :P |
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| 15:52.31 | JeffM2501 | yay morning banings in less then 30 min :) |
| 15:52.37 | JeffM2501 | must be a slow day |
| 15:54.20 | JeffM2501 | so you drive out to people's houses and install windows? or they bring it in? |
| 15:54.31 | BenUrban | heh, i don't drive |
| 15:54.35 | BenUrban | my boss does :P |
| 15:54.40 | BenUrban | and people bring them in too |
| 15:54.51 | BenUrban | but all of the work is done here |
| 15:54.53 | JeffM2501 | how big a company? |
| 15:54.58 | BenUrban | 3 people |
| 15:54.59 | BenUrban | so far |
| 15:55.08 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 15:55.16 | JeffM2501 | that explains the boss driving then :) |
| 15:55.20 | BenUrban | heh |
| 15:55.20 | BenUrban | yep |
| 15:55.21 | JeffM2501 | and the clipart girl |
| 15:55.24 | BenUrban | heh |
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| 16:02.03 | JeffM2501 | does it at least pay well? |
| 16:02.10 | BenUrban | heh, nope |
| 16:02.16 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 16:02.29 | BenUrban | he can't afford to pay me more |
| 16:02.50 | JeffM2501 | sux |
| 16:03.11 | BenUrban | well, i don't have any degrees or other useful experience |
| 16:03.22 | BenUrban | so who else would hire me? |
| 16:03.32 | JeffM2501 | you never know till you look |
| 16:03.40 | BenUrban | heh, i did look |
| 16:05.42 | ruskie | _Manu_, around? |
| 16:06.02 | ruskie | or any other viper admin |
| 16:07.27 | ruskie | gaahhh again the same host that's causing the lag problems.... |
| 16:07.58 | JeffM2501 | somone flooding your pipe? |
| 16:10.12 | ruskie | nope it's the same box each time that causes the problem |
| 16:10.36 | JeffM2501 | I gathered that |
| 16:10.47 | JeffM2501 | are they flooding your pipe and making everyone lagy |
| 16:10.52 | JeffM2501 | or are they just lagy |
| 16:11.21 | ruskie | ok seemes the problem resolved itself |
| 16:11.28 | ruskie | some box in germany though... |
| 16:11.37 | ruskie | 80.81.192.147 |
| 16:15.04 | JeffM2501 | what kind of connection does viper run on? |
| 16:21.05 | _Manu_ | ruskie, here |
| 16:24.02 | Pimpinella | usually a problem with a crashed client flooding syslog with logs from the firewall |
| 16:24.19 | Pimpinella | viper is on 100Mbit switched |
| 16:24.27 | JeffM2501 | nice |
| 16:24.42 | JeffM2501 | ahh so it's just geting all the pacet wait messages |
| 16:24.53 | Pimpinella | yep |
| 16:25.10 | Pimpinella | kernel logging eats up cpu time |
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| 16:26.50 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, hi |
| 16:27.33 | Pimpinella | hey _Manu_ :) |
| 16:28.12 | _Manu_ | just talkint to ruskie at vipers |
| 16:28.18 | _Manu_ | but problems gone :) |
| 16:28.44 | _Manu_ | and he was the only player lagging.. |
| 16:28.52 | Pimpinella | i remember a kid (scorch ?) who regulary caused it with his crappy windows box |
| 16:29.07 | _Manu_ | no windows... mac.. |
| 16:29.12 | JeffM2501 | he had a mac |
| 16:29.16 | Pimpinella | really? |
| 16:29.18 | _Manu_ | yes |
| 16:29.20 | JeffM2501 | a very crapy crash prone mac |
| 16:29.26 | Pimpinella | prolly some other kid |
| 16:29.34 | _Manu_ | i called him crashman.. heh |
| 16:29.34 | JeffM2501 | he would crash all the time |
| 16:29.43 | Pimpinella | then it was him :) |
| 16:29.47 | JeffM2501 | did you make up a litle song for him? |
| 16:29.59 | Pimpinella | eh? |
| 16:30.05 | _Manu_ | no :) |
| 16:30.09 | JeffM2501 | awww |
| 16:30.13 | JeffM2501 | it could a been funny |
| 16:30.23 | JeffM2501 | "crashman..... comin at ya......" |
| 16:30.24 | _Manu_ | heh |
| 16:30.30 | JeffM2501 | then a drum solo |
| 16:30.46 | Pimpinella | <-- work |
| 16:31.05 | _Manu_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.57 | Noodleman | miso is the healing of the nations |
| 17:46.07 | Noodleman | i made some top ramen, and put a couple big dollops of miso in it |
| 17:46.11 | Noodleman | frankly, it |
| 17:46.13 | Noodleman | KICKED |
| 17:46.15 | Noodleman | MAJOR |
| 17:46.16 | Noodleman | ASS |
| 17:47.13 | Bagheera | ~kick Noodleman for miso swearing |
| 17:47.15 | ibot | bugger off sod! |
| 17:47.15 | spldart | eek |
| 17:47.46 | Noodleman | sorry :-P |
| 17:47.49 | JeffM2501 | Noodleman, you've never had miso before? |
| 17:48.01 | Noodleman | i've had lots of miso |
| 17:48.09 | JeffM2501 | I prefer udon |
| 17:48.15 | Noodleman | i've just never put it in top ramen before |
| 17:48.25 | Noodleman | you know the ramen stuff you can get for 10 cents |
| 17:48.35 | jpa- | hmm.. different noodle-portion-style-thingies are they? :) |
| 17:48.52 | Bagheera | ah, a brick of noodles |
| 17:49.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:49.34 | JeffM2501 | you can put all sorts of stuff in rammen to make it good |
| 17:49.41 | JeffM2501 | beef or chicken bullon cubes |
| 17:49.43 | JeffM2501 | are also good |
| 17:49.52 | jpa- | i prefer the instant-noodles-3min style :) |
| 17:49.54 | Bagheera | all will kill you quickly |
| 17:49.59 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, same stuff |
| 17:50.03 | JeffM2501 | just difrent package |
| 17:50.08 | Noodleman | yeah, for some reason, i just never thought of doping it up with stuff |
| 17:50.17 | JeffM2501 | ohh yeah |
| 17:50.22 | JeffM2501 | you have to dope it up |
| 17:50.26 | JeffM2501 | to make it interesting |
| 17:50.39 | Bagheera | pepper paste is a good addition |
| 17:50.56 | JeffM2501 | slices of roast beef |
| 17:51.07 | JeffM2501 | shrimp |
| 17:51.11 | Bagheera | pig feet |
| 17:51.17 | Noodleman | :-P |
| 17:51.18 | JeffM2501 | beer |
| 17:51.29 | Noodleman | ha, have you ever put beer in it? |
| 17:51.33 | Bagheera | vodka |
| 17:51.36 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:51.43 | JeffM2501 | cooking with beer can be good |
| 17:51.46 | JeffM2501 | mostly with beef |
| 17:51.47 | Bagheera | aquavit |
| 17:52.05 | jpa- | i've put cola in noodles.. but it was a mistake :P |
| 17:52.11 | JeffM2501 | that would be bad |
| 17:52.18 | Noodleman | jpa-: ever had cola in cereal? |
| 17:52.23 | Noodleman | >< |
| 17:52.25 | Noodleman | icky |
| 17:53.01 | jpa- | ~dict cereal |
| 17:53.20 | jpa- | fortunately no :) |
| 17:53.20 | Noodleman | jpa-: stuff like corn flakes or weetabix |
| 17:53.45 | TheRedBaron | weetabix?!? |
| 17:54.03 | JeffM2501 | common english breakfast thingy |
| 17:54.23 | Noodleman | i like crushing them up in milk |
| 17:54.25 | jpa- | we have it in finland too.. |
| 17:54.30 | Noodleman | it's like cold mush |
| 17:54.34 | JeffM2501 | we have them here too |
| 17:54.40 | JeffM2501 | just most common in britan IIRC |
| 17:54.49 | JeffM2501 | probably all over eruope |
| 17:55.02 | jpa- | they are like compressed pouridge |
| 17:55.51 | jpa- | porridge i mean :) |
| 17:58.15 | menotume | learner: ping |
| 17:58.25 | jpa- | hi menotume <3 |
| 17:58.36 | menotume | hi jpa- <3 <3 |
| 17:58.39 | menotume | hehe |
| 18:00.20 | menotume | brlcad: pingo |
| 18:01.07 | jpa- | getting some packet loss are we? :) |
| 18:01.22 | menotume | hehe , no pongo |
| 18:02.52 | jpa- | now we should declare him as "brlcad: [nr]" |
| 18:03.06 | jpa- | and when he responds, immediately kick for excessive lag |
| 18:03.53 | menotume | /kick brlcad "idling too long" |
| 18:04.02 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (~CannonBal@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:04.02 | jpa- | ..this is #bzflag anyway :) |
| 18:04.37 | CBG | Really? :P |
| 18:05.19 | jpa- | really what? |
| 18:07.41 | CBG | read the line above what I said... |
| 18:08.00 | jpa- | hmm hmm |
| 18:08.05 | jpa- | maybe it is just evil lag |
| 18:08.07 | jpa- | i see: |
| 18:08.13 | jpa- | 21:04:02 < jpa-> ..this is #bzflag anyway :) |
| 18:08.13 | jpa- | 21:04:03 -!- CBG [~CannonBal@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #bzflag |
| 18:08.33 | jpa- | and your comment comes after that |
| 18:08.34 | JeffM2501 | CBG, read the line above that line |
| 18:08.43 | CBG | I wasnt here for that. |
| 18:08.46 | JeffM2501 | BINGO! |
| 18:09.03 | CBG | I joined, and jpa said "This is #bzflag"/... |
| 18:09.04 | JeffM2501 | was his nameo |
| 18:09.09 | JeffM2501 | that he did |
| 18:09.12 | JeffM2501 | and he was correct |
| 18:09.24 | jpa- | JeffM2501: be nice |
| 18:09.29 | JeffM2501 | I am nice |
| 18:09.33 | JeffM2501 | all the time |
| 18:09.33 | CBG | JeffM Can't be nice. |
| 18:09.35 | JeffM2501 | 24/7 |
| 18:09.44 | JeffM2501 | you get out what you put in |
| 18:09.48 | CBG | He never has been, and you know what they say about OLD dogs and new tricks. |
| 18:09.52 | jpa- | aha, so i may be as evil as you as i'm evil in the same way as you are? |
| 18:10.05 | JeffM2501 | oh, wow, your just so funny CBG |
| 18:10.07 | jpa- | *as long as |
| 18:10.15 | CBG | *cough* |
| 18:10.48 | jpa- | it only depends on the definition of nice... |
| 18:11.02 | JeffM2501 | and how long you hang around |
| 18:11.03 | CBG | To me: nice is a positive... |
| 18:11.03 | jpa- | if nice is definined as the opposite of evil, jeff is nice |
| 18:11.18 | jpa- | always being against me :/ |
| 18:11.19 | CBG | Jeff is attracted to nice, but is opposite to it. ;) |
| 18:11.29 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 18:11.51 | CBG | Magentics...? opposites attract...? |
| 18:11.53 | jpa- | does that mean that jeff is negative? |
| 18:12.03 | CBG | jpa: :) |
| 18:12.08 | JeffM2501 | actualy it's electrical |
| 18:12.16 | CBG | *sigh* |
| 18:12.24 | jpa- | applies to mangetism too |
| 18:12.36 | JeffM2501 | electricity is magnetism :) |
| 18:12.44 | jpa- | while of course, one can claim magnetics to be sort of electricity |
| 18:12.50 | JeffM2501 | but I guess all that karma is just a like |
| 18:12.55 | CBG | Magnetism can also be defines as fields of force. |
| 18:12.56 | JeffM2501 | lie even |
| 18:13.08 | CBG | *defined |
| 18:13.39 | spldart | All the electricity and magnetism is causing sparks in here |
| 18:13.53 | JeffM2501 | well I guess if I'm a mean old bastard I don't have to help you any more |
| 18:13.54 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:14.03 | JeffM2501 | that'll free up some time |
| 18:14.14 | jpa- | JeffM2501: you can be like Grumbler from now on :P |
| 18:14.14 | CBG | I wasn't looking for help... this time. |
| 18:14.19 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:15.14 | BenUrban | looks like i have the patch working |
| 18:15.16 | BenUrban | for real this time |
| 18:15.43 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 18:15.45 | JeffM2501 | congrats |
| 18:15.47 | brlcad | menotume: pongo |
| 18:16.01 | menotume | hehe |
| 18:16.02 | jpa- | BenUrban: did you add the "never lock on jpa" feature yet? |
| 18:16.16 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, you know it can't be applied till a proto break tho right? |
| 18:16.23 | JeffM2501 | sadly |
| 18:17.01 | jpa- | .. it would give people a reason to upgrade :P |
| 18:17.10 | JeffM2501 | that's why we break proto |
| 18:17.14 | JeffM2501 | to force the upgrade |
| 18:17.25 | cosmos | jesus. that yugi kid is a pest |
| 18:17.41 | jpa- | backwards compatibility would be nice.. but it is difficult to do nicely |
| 18:17.42 | JeffM2501 | any mechanic change requires that it be used only with versions that have that same mechanic |
| 18:18.03 | JeffM2501 | jpa-, that would require a rework of the code to make features be able to be turned off |
| 18:18.05 | Birdie | cosmos: i talked to yugi for 10 min, he is 13 years old and a little ass |
| 18:18.15 | Bagheera | i know grumbler prefers grumpy, not mean. |
| 18:18.19 | cosmos | hes using new registered sings like Yug |
| 18:18.19 | JeffM2501 | it's a game, not an app, who cares about backwards, the old persions can just use the old ones. |
| 18:18.24 | cosmos | sending threats via /report |
| 18:18.28 | cosmos | bothering admins again etc |
| 18:18.46 | jpa- | JeffM2501: i mean, while servers are not yet on new versions, one could connect to old ones too |
| 18:18.46 | Birdie | first he says: i'll be better, i'll do my best, unban me, after i said i wont,"hehe i'll just change ip" blablab |
| 18:18.47 | Bagheera | ban'em, ban'em all |
| 18:18.54 | Birdie | mute him |
| 18:18.59 | cosmos | he has more ip ranges than God |
| 18:18.59 | jpa- | switching between versions is lame |
| 18:19.16 | bendy24 | cosmos: he could be using a proxy of some sort |
| 18:19.28 | bendy24 | maybe even tor |
| 18:19.43 | cosmos | the ip ranges are all over the place |
| 18:19.50 | cosmos | very hard to ban without taking out half the players |
| 18:20.18 | bendy24 | exactly |
| 18:20.19 | spldart | Make a serve message to taunt the user :) |
| 18:20.23 | spldart | server |
| 18:20.45 | BenUrban | hmm i guess i'll have to test the patch in a more controlled situation before i send it for inclusion |
| 18:20.57 | Bagheera | well muting doesnt stop him from spamming the admins unfortuneately |
| 18:21.14 | Bagheera | .....and the default admin channel sound is twice as annoying as any message |
| 18:21.19 | cosmos | he cant speak to the admins on hepcat |
| 18:21.24 | cosmos | but he can file nasty /reports |
| 18:21.27 | bendy24 | one guy reported that he thought my name was not appropriate |
| 18:21.29 | cosmos | which they see realtime |
| 18:21.41 | Birdie | but outside the reports, its "under control" |
| 18:21.42 | Bagheera | disable report |
| 18:22.01 | Bagheera | unless you are getting good info with report |
| 18:22.18 | Birdie | well hepcat saw it much used :) |
| 18:22.27 | Birdie | but on a good way...cough..not really |
| 18:22.42 | bendy24 | heh |
| 18:23.23 | cosmos | its half and half |
| 18:23.29 | cosmos | half useful and half nonsense |
| 18:23.33 | JeffM2501 | I tell ya man, paypall |
| 18:23.40 | spldart | General side note... I killed alot of the dominant superflags on my server and found weekend traffic was up. |
| 18:23.58 | JeffM2501 | just charge 0.50$ per registration |
| 18:24.03 | JeffM2501 | that will get rid of most of the kids |
| 18:24.08 | bendy24 | heh |
| 18:24.17 | spldart | And only had to ban one person |
| 18:24.27 | cosmos | id also like a signed contract from their parents |
| 18:24.54 | Birdie | like they wont sign it themself |
| 18:25.24 | bendy24 | signed: X |
| 18:25.24 | cosmos | nah. it has to be notarized |
| 18:25.26 | JeffM2501 | that's why you do paypall |
| 18:25.40 | JeffM2501 | it's harder to forge a credit card :) |
| 18:25.42 | cosmos | or hell just sign up with one of the adult site verification services |
| 18:25.48 | cosmos | over 21, sorry kids |
| 18:25.53 | JeffM2501 | 18 |
| 18:26.07 | cosmos | yeah thats true. hell id rather have 30 and up |
| 18:26.26 | JeffM2501 | "please send us the report from your first prostate exam" |
| 18:26.38 | bendy24 | now, youve gone too far |
| 18:26.41 | cosmos | heh |
| 18:26.41 | bendy24 | :) |
| 18:26.41 | Bagheera | i have video does that count |
| 18:27.25 | Birdie | lol cosmos 30 and up..how much of the players would have been left |
| 18:28.02 | Bagheera | only the good ones |
| 18:29.07 | cosmos | alot actually |
| 18:29.38 | ToughShooter | cosmos: Yugi isn' |
| 18:29.38 | ToughShooter | cosmos: Yugi isn't showing up on secretplace any more, looks like we got him |
| 18:29.57 | cosmos | hes still plastering hepcat |
| 18:30.19 | ToughShooter | Which hosts is he using? He uses same provider as me |
| 18:30.39 | ToughShooter | therefore my provider is banned on secretplace |
| 18:30.52 | Birdie | hostban sux, so many players involved with that:( |
| 18:31.06 | cosmos | lets see |
| 18:31.13 | ToughShooter | T-Online has IP's all over the place... |
| 18:31.20 | Bagheera | yeah, but you can allow those "good ones" back in....so it all works out |
| 18:31.40 | cosmos | Yugi [13] has joined from 62.155.233.14 |
| 18:32.05 | ToughShooter | Hmm, that doesn't seem from T-Online |
| 18:32.17 | Bagheera | ~nslookup 62.155.233.14 |
| 18:32.41 | ToughShooter | Oh! Guessing is bad. |
| 18:32.57 | jpa- | i see yugi from 217.93.235.77, 62.155.238.252, 217.93.246.172, 62.155.228.40 and 217.93.234.135 |
| 18:33.06 | Birdie | so he has several providers? |
| 18:33.15 | Birdie | not bad for a 13 year old kid.. |
| 18:33.24 | ToughShooter | So "/hostban *.dip.t-dialin.net 0 T-Online banned thanks to Yugi" will do the job. |
| 18:33.26 | jpa- | two it seems.. |
| 18:33.29 | Bagheera | ~nslookup 217.93.246.172 |
| 18:33.34 | jpa- | ah |
| 18:33.39 | ToughShooter | 217.* IP's are from t-online |
| 18:33.50 | jpa- | t-dialin has split ip-space |
| 18:33.58 | Bagheera | time to invoke hostban |
| 18:34.01 | ToughShooter | See my host to get the pattern |
| 18:34.27 | cosmos | there are tons of others |
| 18:34.40 | Birdie | 62.55.*.* and 217.93.*.* would work to but you would ban sooo much others |
| 18:35.04 | ToughShooter | T-Online is a huge provider...perhaps a whitelist would be good |
| 18:35.10 | cosmos | hes also come in from that banned college |
| 18:35.15 | jpa- | hmm.. why don't we implement a brain scanner in bzflag |
| 18:35.16 | Bagheera | whitelist would be better |
| 18:35.27 | jpa- | idiot detected -> automatic ban |
| 18:35.39 | Bagheera | dang, i could never play then |
| 18:36.01 | ToughShooter | IP-Range bans are inefficient against t-online because that would ban several other providers, too |
| 18:36.31 | cosmos | a contract killing against Yugi would be more effective. |
| 18:36.41 | ToughShooter | Birdie: I got other IP's that began with 217.* in the past that hadn't 93 as second digit |
| 18:36.56 | spldart | Death by slow tank felch |
| 18:37.53 | ToughShooter | I'm always trying to be nice but Yugi is near the boarder of my abilities |
| 18:38.13 | cosmos | Tue Apr 26 05:30:48 2005 |
| 18:38.14 | cosmos | Reported by Yugi: HAHAHA you cant ban me cuz i too good |
| 18:38.42 | Bagheera | hostban + whitelist sounds like the solution |
| 18:39.42 | Birdie | would be a huge whitelist |
| 18:39.53 | Bagheera | maybe |
| 18:40.07 | ToughShooter | For secretplace we have PeEpZwhitelist (global group) that has antiban permission |
| 18:40.33 | ToughShooter | 21 members |
| 18:41.18 | Birdie | for the hostban of yugi? |
| 18:41.34 | ToughShooter | Not all are in due to that |
| 18:42.05 | ToughShooter | Not sure but I think 12 are in because of Yugi |
| 18:42.35 | Bagheera | i think those 12 should form an alliance and visit yugi. |
| 18:42.51 | Bagheera | .....and explain the advantages of playing nicely |
| 18:43.03 | ToughShooter | Believe me Yugi would better run if he would be near me |
| 18:43.51 | ToughShooter | Yugi doesn't understand anything, just cussing and team killing over and over again |
| 18:44.05 | jpa- | it is fun to abuse.. |
| 18:44.07 | orange | there always has to be one nemesis, doesn't there? |
| 18:44.14 | _Manu_ | cosmos, heh |
| 18:44.19 | orange | spoogebob, redsoxfan90, yugi |
| 18:44.34 | Bagheera | well, considering his consistent attitude, i would think that a server has the ability to ask t-dip to discontinue his contract |
| 18:44.50 | Bagheera | perfect cell |
| 18:47.50 | ToughShooter | His provider doesn't even know who it was if you give them the IP with a certain time |
| 18:47.53 | spldart | I would sign a letter of complaint... If enough bzer's did maybe tdip would consider cutting him off |
| 18:48.11 | Death_Barrel | i heard redsoxfan90 was sending dos attacks to hepcat, because he used to be an admin and they banned him |
| 18:48.37 | ToughShooter | To connect personal data and IP adress a court has to decide it being good |
| 18:48.51 | ToughShooter | That's the legal situation in germany |
| 18:49.10 | Bagheera | well, with that attitude, they are going to isolate that network more and more |
| 18:50.24 | ToughShooter | Maybe a mail to abuse@t-online.de would help finding a way to get him off |
| 18:51.32 | ToughShooter | Bagheera: What are you refering to? Provider or country? |
| 18:51.50 | Bagheera | provider |
| 18:52.36 | ToughShooter | I wonder if laws should be ignored |
| 18:52.39 | orange | Death_Barrel: yes, after he turned out to be a punk with an attitude |
| 18:53.23 | ToughShooter | However they take spammers off quickly - there must be a way to find out who is doing mass e-mails. Perhaps the same applies to bzflag |
| 18:53.26 | Bagheera | ToughShooter< no, no ignored, but there should be something to address a situation where it is being abused. |
| 18:54.41 | ToughShooter | Their team against abuse is known of being very helpful and reacting fast. Prolly someone should really write a letter to them |
| 18:55.00 | orange | why should there be laws preventing a company from identifying and disconnecting someone who is abusing their service? |
| 18:55.02 | ToughShooter | With IP-adresses and time stamps included |
| 18:57.11 | ToughShooter | orange: That's what I was told. Perhaps government weights rights of person higher than the provider |
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| 18:58.21 | ToughShooter | Hi sgk284_ :) |
| 18:58.28 | sgk284_ | hey ts |
| 18:58.32 | sgk284_ | how goes it? |
| 18:58.48 | sgk284_ | seeing h2g2 tonight:) |
| 18:59.01 | sgk284_ | ~h2g2 |
| 18:59.31 | ToughShooter | I'm a little bit in hurry as always except on holidays |
| 18:59.49 | sgk284_ | ibot, h2g2 is The Hitchhike's Guide to the Galaxy |
| 18:59.50 | ibot | sgk284_: okay |
| 19:00.01 | sgk284_ | ibot, forget h2g2 |
| 19:00.01 | ibot | sgk284_: i forgot h2g2 |
| 19:00.08 | sgk284_ | ibot, h2g2 is The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy |
| 19:00.10 | ibot | okay, sgk284_ |
| 19:00.14 | sgk284_ | ~h2g2 |
| 19:00.15 | ibot | methinks h2g2 is The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy |
| 19:00.23 | sgk284_ | ~ibot++ |
| 19:01.05 | sgk284_ | ~sgk284 |
| 19:01.06 | ibot | extra, extra, read all about it, sgk284 is an admin at Secretplace. |
| 19:01.16 | sgk284_ | heh i'm so bored |
| 19:01.25 | sgk284_ | i mean uh... i'm being productive at work |
| 19:01.28 | ToughShooter | ~ToughShooter |
| 19:01.39 | ToughShooter | I'm nothing ;-) |
| 19:01.39 | sgk284_ | darn build process takes like half an hour |
| 19:01.43 | sgk284_ | lol |
| 19:01.58 | sgk284_ | ~karma sgk284 |
| 19:01.58 | ibot | sgk284 has karma of 45 |
| 19:02.12 | sgk284_ | ~ibot say ~sgk284++ |
| 19:02.15 | ibot | ~sgk284++ |
| 19:02.18 | sgk284_ | hehe |
| 19:02.21 | sgk284_ | ~karma sgk284 |
| 19:02.21 | ibot | sgk284 has karma of 45 |
| 19:02.24 | sgk284_ | grrr |
| 19:02.47 | ToughShooter | evil try |
| 19:02.57 | sgk284_ | ~karma ToughShooter |
| 19:02.57 | ibot | toughshooter has karma of 8 |
| 19:03.06 | sgk284_ | ~ToughShooter++ |
| 19:03.09 | sgk284_ | ~karma ToughShooter |
| 19:03.09 | ibot | toughshooter has karma of 9 |
| 19:03.20 | ToughShooter | :o |
| 19:03.27 | sgk284_ | ;) |
| 19:03.33 | ToughShooter | 9 little nutella balls |
| 19:03.42 | Birdie | ~karma birdie |
| 19:03.43 | ibot | birdie has karma of 12 |
| 19:03.59 | sgk284_ | ~seen sgk284 |
| 19:04.05 | ibot | sgk284 <~stevek@AC968861.ipt.aol.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 4d 15h 7m 31s ago, saying: 'morning jpa'. |
| 19:04.08 | orange | ToughShooter: if that's true, then that's insane... you'd have to get a court order every time you wanted to shut off a spammer |
| 19:04.23 | orange | or someone launching attacks using your network |
| 19:04.48 | orange | I can see requiring a court order before releasing the info to the police |
| 19:04.52 | ToughShooter | orange: They get off spammers shortly...no idea whether this is legal however |
| 19:04.53 | orange | but for internal use |
| 19:05.09 | orange | it must be about police, rather than using it themselves |
| 19:11.48 | jpa- | :(( |
| 19:11.57 | jpa- | sgk.. come back! |
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| 19:23.05 | Bagheera | poor jpa |
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| 19:48.41 | ToughShooter | ~bzflist |
| 19:50.49 | JeffM2501 | 57 players still on 1.10 |
| 19:50.51 | JeffM2501 | wow |
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| 20:08.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/ (include/cURLManager.h src/common/cURLManager.cxx): Adding progress callback mechanism |
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| 20:16.43 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: World transfer (cache format) use cURLManager |
| 20:17.39 | Tupone | JeffM2501: I think now CVS compile on M$ |
| 20:19.10 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 20:19.14 | JeffM2501 | want me to try? |
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| 20:19.50 | Tupone | dunno, I removed the double include, If you can, yes |
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| 20:21.46 | JeffM2501 | its' checking out now |
| 20:22.59 | Tupone | thanks |
| 20:23.23 | JeffM2501 | nope |
| 20:23.24 | JeffM2501 | still bad |
| 20:23.31 | JeffM2501 | cURLManager.cxx |
| 20:23.32 | JeffM2501 | c:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio .NET 2003\Vc7\PlatformSDK\Include\WinSock2.h(109) : error C2011: 'fd_set' : 'struct' type redefinition |
| 20:23.32 | JeffM2501 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.04 | JeffM2501 | then many many more |
| 20:24.58 | Tupone | prolly I should take some from URLManager.h. Could you do that for me. I cannot check |
| 20:25.32 | JeffM2501 | take some what? |
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| 20:25.56 | Tupone | dunno, include? define? |
| 20:26.39 | JeffM2501 | it'a a sockets structure we should not define it |
| 20:27.06 | JeffM2501 | URL manager dosn't have any sockets defines |
| 20:27.14 | JeffM2501 | just the normal common stuff |
| 20:27.17 | Tupone | URLManager.cxx had // system headers |
| 20:27.17 | Tupone | #ifdef _WIN32 |
| 20:27.17 | Tupone | #include <winsock.h> |
| 20:27.17 | Tupone | #endif |
| 20:27.17 | Tupone | #ifdef HAVE_CURL |
| 20:27.18 | Tupone | #include <curl/curl.h> |
| 20:27.20 | Tupone | #endif |
| 20:27.37 | Tupone | perhaps just the winsock.h |
| 20:27.39 | JeffM2501 | that is in the cpp |
| 20:27.44 | Tupone | yeah |
| 20:27.49 | JeffM2501 | that should not affect any other files |
| 20:28.07 | JeffM2501 | the problem is, winsock has been included by BZ and is in the common path |
| 20:28.14 | JeffM2501 | and curl also includes it |
| 20:28.33 | JeffM2501 | this is why I had to hide curl in the manager |
| 20:28.35 | Tupone | ahh the curl.h include |
| 20:28.46 | JeffM2501 | yes curl itself includes and inits winsock |
| 20:29.08 | Tupone | can I include winsock before? |
| 20:29.17 | JeffM2501 | you should not have to |
| 20:29.23 | JeffM2501 | curl takes care of itself |
| 20:29.26 | Tupone | I mean to fix those |
| 20:29.42 | JeffM2501 | I do not belive that is the error |
| 20:30.47 | Tupone | I dunno if I can compile and get same error on cross-MingW32 . I don't have windows |
| 20:30.49 | JeffM2501 | it compiles if I remove common from CURLManager.h |
| 20:30.58 | JeffM2501 | and #define DEBUG1 to printf |
| 20:31.23 | JeffM2501 | the problem is that common includes wocksock somewhere on the line |
| 20:31.30 | JeffM2501 | so it gets doubled up in that and curl |
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| 20:31.38 | JeffM2501 | probably should hide the common winsock |
| 20:31.39 | Tupone | I understand that it comes from cURLManager |
| 20:32.02 | JeffM2501 | the conflict comes from #include <curl/curl.h> |
| 20:32.09 | JeffM2501 | THAT includes winsock |
| 20:32.11 | Tupone | yeah |
| 20:32.19 | JeffM2501 | and you can't not include curl |
| 20:32.27 | JeffM2501 | so you have to fix it on the common side |
| 20:32.28 | Tupone | I cannot :/ |
| 20:32.40 | JeffM2501 | if you put the debug stuff into it's own file |
| 20:32.43 | JeffM2501 | that didn't include common |
| 20:32.53 | JeffM2501 | then make the manager just include the debug stuff in the cxx |
| 20:33.05 | JeffM2501 | and not include common in the cURLManager header then you would be fine. |
| 20:33.24 | JeffM2501 | common is just too big now |
| 20:33.50 | Tupone | But that should be required for portability, at least config.h included by common |
| 20:34.27 | Tupone | DTRemenak: help :) |
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| 20:35.51 | Tupone | well, if curl is mandatory now :) I can put in common.h |
| 20:38.50 | Tupone | If we include winsock.h in common ? |
| 20:40.24 | brlcad | common doesn't mean mandatory .. it means every single file probably needs it |
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| 20:40.52 | brlcad | that's not the case with curl.. |
| 20:41.38 | brlcad | heh |
| 20:41.39 | DTRemenak | in URLManager, vc6 required winsock.h, according to blast007 |
| 20:42.02 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: what's your problem, everything builds for me |
| 20:42.06 | DTRemenak | oh, and... |
| 20:42.18 | DTRemenak | Tupone: list server is b0rken on windows |
| 20:42.44 | Tupone | :( |
| 20:42.56 | Tupone | what happens? |
| 20:43.06 | DTRemenak | "Can't talk to list server" |
| 20:43.38 | Tupone | does it works on your linux? |
| 20:43.53 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 20:45.04 | Tupone | how can I make it work |
| 20:45.09 | Tupone | I mean debug it |
| 20:45.14 | DTRemenak | I dunno. still trying to figure out what's wrong |
| 20:46.03 | Tupone | can you print the error from cURL? |
| 20:46.07 | DTRemenak | okeydokey, here are the curl errors I get |
| 20:46.11 | DTRemenak | yeah, I was getting there :) |
| 20:46.15 | Tupone | should be in the caller |
| 20:46.23 | DTRemenak | Unexpected error from libcurl; Error: 7 |
| 20:46.32 | DTRemenak | Unexpected error from libcurl; Error: 28 |
| 20:46.37 | DTRemenak | Unexpected error from libcurl; Error: 7 |
| 20:46.43 | DTRemenak | Unexpected error from libcurl; Error: 6 |
| 20:47.13 | Tupone | 7 CURLE_COULDNT_CONNECT |
| 20:47.38 | Tupone | 28 CURLE_OPERATION_TIMEOUTED |
| 20:47.49 | Tupone | 6 CURLE_COULDNT_RESOLVE_HOST |
| 20:49.10 | DTRemenak | so what does that mean? :) |
| 20:49.10 | Tupone | c-ares or not? |
| 20:49.10 | DTRemenak | c-ares is built but not in curl |
| 20:49.23 | Tupone | ok, so not c-ares for libcurl |
| 20:49.56 | Tupone | can you print the url you're trying to get, faking password :) |
| 20:50.10 | Tupone | ServerList.cxx:279 |
| 20:52.36 | DTRemenak | it also fails to get the motd |
| 20:52.40 | Tupone | I need to discriminate the various error source, at least with different messages. I pasted the same in every place:) |
| 20:52.55 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 20:53.24 | Tupone | and motd? |
| 20:54.02 | DTRemenak | yeah, it doesn't get it. |
| 20:54.04 | Tupone | DTRemenak: are you working with the last version ? |
| 20:54.17 | DTRemenak | yes, I just updated from cvs |
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| 20:56.34 | Tupone | I put some more human diagnostic :) |
| 20:56.58 | Tupone | A recent libcurl I imagine |
| 20:57.14 | DTRemenak | yes, 7.12.3 iirc |
| 20:58.35 | DTRemenak | ok, here are the errors I get on this run: |
| 20:58.36 | DTRemenak | Tried to fetch URL: http://bzflag.org/motd.php |
| 20:58.46 | DTRemenak | Unexpected error from libcurl; Error: 6 |
| 20:58.58 | DTRemenak | Tried to fetch URL: http://my.BZFlag.org/db/?action=LIST&version=BZFS0026&callsign=DTRemenak&password=alphabetical |
| 20:59.06 | DTRemenak | Unexpected error from libcurl; Error: 6 |
| 20:59.08 | Tupone | COULD NOT RESOLV HOST |
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| 20:59.23 | DTRemenak | yup, both the same this time |
| 20:59.59 | Tupone | can you debug curl ? :) |
| 21:00.41 | DTRemenak | I'd just as soon not have to rebuild curl :) |
| 21:00.49 | DTRemenak | but I can if I need to |
| 21:01.18 | Tupone | do you have curl, the binary? I don't know how to use, though |
| 21:02.09 | DTRemenak | I don't have it, but I do know how to use it :) |
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| 21:02.47 | Tupone | ehh, ok, if they use the same library we could see the same. Or is my fault. |
| 21:03.03 | DTRemenak | I can build it, I guess |
| 21:03.15 | Tupone | Jeff errors do not apply to you. Why ? |
| 21:03.20 | DTRemenak | beats me |
| 21:03.56 | DTRemenak | I'm running a stock VS7.1 install with May 04 MSDN on Win2k. |
| 21:04.43 | Tupone | how do you know world do not transfer? Have a server with -cache ? |
| 21:05.19 | DTRemenak | haven't tried |
| 21:06.03 | Tupone | I guess it does not works too. |
| 21:06.28 | DTRemenak | you know of a server running -cache? |
| 21:06.32 | Tupone | I misunderstood motd with world, so my question |
| 21:06.35 | Tupone | no |
| 21:06.49 | DTRemenak | neither do I :S |
| 21:06.59 | Tupone | and that is why I asked again motd :) |
| 21:07.13 | DTRemenak | oooh, ok. thought that was a little...odd :) |
| 21:08.21 | Tupone | bzadmin do the same I think :) |
| 21:08.39 | Tupone | but that is more debuggable. ? |
| 21:09.01 | DTRemenak | could be, I dunno. bzadmin does not build with curses on win32, so it's a pain to run. |
| 21:09.23 | DTRemenak | does not build with curses unless I switch to mingw anyway :) |
| 21:09.42 | Tupone | ah, ok, I thought that without a graphic screen used, could be useful |
| 21:11.46 | Tupone | I lost again my libcurl + ares by upgrading :( |
| 21:12.40 | DTRemenak | if they were in the tree, you would not loose them :) |
| 21:12.50 | Tupone | hehe, yeah |
| 21:13.23 | Tupone | I need to retrieve my ebuild and put in the portage tree and emerge again. But I will do later |
| 21:14.29 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03atupone * 10bzflag/src/common/cURLManager.cxx: Different diagnostic for each point of error |
| 21:15.30 | cosmos | heh |
| 21:15.45 | cosmos | birdie you are a disgrace to the bzflag community! a /report from Yugi |
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| 21:19.16 | Tupone | what happens if winsock is not initialized ? :) |
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| 21:21.29 | Tupone | DTRemenak: |
| 21:21.39 | DTRemenak | hm? |
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| 21:21.44 | DTRemenak | oh, sorry, got distracted |
| 21:21.50 | Tupone | ok, np |
| 21:22.34 | Tupone | I think curl is calling some network function without initializing winsock |
| 21:23.13 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 21:23.13 | Tupone | Dunno actually what it is doing, but our winsock init could be called later |
| 21:23.15 | DTRemenak | could be |
| 21:24.04 | Tupone | one quick test is to add CURL_GLOBAL_WIN32 to curl_global_init and commenting out our |
| 21:24.35 | Tupone | Then I'd think about what to do :( |
| 21:27.16 | BenUrban | Tupone: ever heard of a portage overlay? |
| 21:27.33 | Tupone | I heard :), I'm just too lazy |
| 21:27.36 | BenUrban | lmao |
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| 21:27.57 | BenUrban | if you made yor own ebuild, you may as well put it in an overlay dir |
| 21:28.23 | Tupone | I made an ebuild for something that is already in |
| 21:28.30 | BenUrban | so? |
| 21:29.31 | Tupone | I used the overlay but on a 2nd or 3rd installation I forget to do :( |
| 21:29.43 | Tupone | disk crash |
| 21:30.09 | DTRemenak | Tried to fetch URL: http://my.BZFlag.org/db/?action=LIST&version=BZFS0026&callsign=DTRemenak&password=alphabetical |
| 21:30.16 | DTRemenak | File transfer terminated with error from libcurl; Error: 6 |
| 21:30.40 | Tupone | that with the CURL_GLOBAL_WIN32 flags? |
| 21:30.46 | DTRemenak | no |
| 21:30.51 | Tupone | s/flags/flag/ |
| 21:31.01 | menotume | nice password :) |
| 21:31.28 | DTRemenak | menotume: thanks ;) |
| 21:33.28 | DTRemenak | Tupone: passing CURL_GLOBAL_WIN32 makes curl segfault |
| 21:33.55 | Tupone | line 74 of cURLManager.cxx ? |
| 21:34.07 | Tupone | have you removed our init? |
| 21:34.10 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's where it added |
| 21:34.16 | DTRemenak | where is ours? |
| 21:34.22 | Tupone | the one in bzflag |
| 21:34.24 | Tupone | .cxx |
| 21:34.41 | DTRemenak | I think removing that will make everything stop working. but hey, I'm up for trying :) |
| 21:34.48 | Tupone | only for trying |
| 21:35.01 | Tupone | sorry for the time :( |
| 21:35.22 | DTRemenak | no problem |
| 21:35.55 | Tupone | I wonder where you get segfault :/ |
| 21:36.45 | DTRemenak | does not segfault then, but it does not work either :) |
| 21:37.38 | Tupone | I'm lost :( |
| 21:38.02 | Tupone | if you can debug actually, otherwise I don't have a machine to test in |
| 21:38.55 | Tupone | The only things changed, and that is the last test you did, is that curl is inited before the main |
| 21:39.21 | DTRemenak | Tupone: I had not tested for a while |
| 21:39.21 | Tupone | the only thing I suppose is changed |
| 21:39.32 | DTRemenak | been in linux for three days or so |
| 21:39.54 | Tupone | can try to remove the change I did today |
| 21:40.25 | Tupone | and put back the winsock initialization and cURLManager code |
| 21:41.27 | DTRemenak | it was broken last night too |
| 21:41.38 | DTRemenak | but you were not here to complain to :) |
| 21:42.03 | Tupone | WSA startup. curl use 1 / 1 we use 2 / 2 |
| 21:42.27 | DTRemenak | I don't understand what that means |
| 21:42.46 | Tupone | I hope you understand what I say :| |
| 21:43.20 | DTRemenak | what is "1 / 1" |
| 21:43.21 | Tupone | WSAStartup(MAKEWORD(major, minor), &wsaData) major, minor are 2, 2 for bzflag 1, 1 for curl |
| 21:43.29 | DTRemenak | ah. |
| 21:44.08 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, I check out clean, build and get errors in cURLManager |
| 21:44.12 | JeffM2501 | in VC7.1 |
| 21:44.23 | JeffM2501 | sorry so late, was in meeting |
| 21:44.38 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I dunno what's up with that. We're using virtually the same setup, and it works for me. |
| 21:44.44 | JeffM2501 | yeah wierdness |
| 21:44.54 | JeffM2501 | if I comment out the include of common.h |
| 21:45.07 | JeffM2501 | and put in a stub for DEBUG1 I'm cool |
| 21:45.14 | JeffM2501 | it's failed on 2 seperate systems |
| 21:45.18 | JeffM2501 | home and work |
| 21:45.27 | DTRemenak | Tupone: that means that cURL can use Winsock1, bzflag must have Winsock2 |
| 21:45.44 | Tupone | ahh |
| 21:45.50 | DTRemenak | wierd |
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| 21:46.33 | JeffM2501 | in my own stuff I've had problems when curl is included in a scope that allready has winsock |
| 21:46.44 | aaronf0 | bzflag just started crawling... |
| 21:46.50 | JeffM2501 | are you building clean? |
| 21:47.04 | brlcad | woot! it grew legs.. finally |
| 21:47.15 | JeffM2501 | tell me when it starts flying |
| 21:47.20 | aaronf0 | before it couldnt find a whole lot of functions, but now it doesnt output any errors |
| 21:47.27 | aaronf0 | it was flying before... |
| 21:47.32 | JeffM2501 | what did you change? |
| 21:47.46 | aaronf0 | i think i installed some stuff |
| 21:47.50 | aaronf0 | trying to remember |
| 21:47.54 | JeffM2501 | "stuff" ? |
| 21:47.56 | JeffM2501 | what OS? |
| 21:47.58 | aaronf0 | linux/gentoo |
| 21:48.06 | JeffM2501 | probably updated a kernel |
| 21:48.10 | Tupone | DTRemenak: I should go to sleep :( I'll be glad if you see what day stopped working, and why :) |
| 21:48.11 | JeffM2501 | reinstall your video drivers |
| 21:48.14 | aaronf0 | sorry no spyware here :-D |
| 21:48.23 | DTRemenak | Tupone: ok :( |
| 21:48.24 | aaronf0 | i dont think it was a kernel... |
| 21:48.29 | Tupone | cya |
| 21:48.30 | aaronf0 | but i updated the headers |
| 21:48.34 | aaronf0 | would that do it? |
| 21:48.41 | Tupone | I stop modifyng code :-| |
| 21:48.46 | JeffM2501 | well what ever it did it probably removed your hardware accelerated drivers |
| 21:48.47 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-137-178.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 21:48.53 | aaronf0 | hmm |
| 21:48.54 | JeffM2501 | you have nvidia card? |
| 21:48.57 | aaronf0 | k, lets try that |
| 21:49.36 | JeffM2501 | the common cause of slow GL performance in BZ is non accelerated or old/incompatable video drivers |
| 21:49.39 | aaronf0 | would explain all the problems ive been having |
| 21:50.06 | aaronf0 | gentoo just went from using the 2.4 headers to the 2.6 ones |
| 21:50.24 | aaronf0 | probably should re-compile my kernel |
| 21:50.32 | JeffM2501 | and a number of other things |
| 21:50.36 | aaronf0 | yea |
| 21:50.40 | JeffM2501 | I thought gentoo was all about the recompile? |
| 21:50.44 | aaronf0 | yup |
| 21:51.26 | aaronf0 | off to find out what i screwed up doing that... |
| 21:51.31 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: does it work for you if you put <curl/curl.h> *before* common.h? |
| 21:51.45 | aaronf0 | probably most of my core packages |
| 21:51.53 | JeffM2501 | I can try |
| 21:52.10 | JeffM2501 | geting clean |
| 21:53.29 | BenUrban | ack |
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| 21:53.40 | BenUrban | whose idea was it to disallow .diff in the forum? |
| 21:54.06 | aaronf0 | lol |
| 21:54.08 | DTRemenak | BenUrban: post patches on the sourceforge patch tracker and put a link to them |
| 21:54.13 | JeffM2501 | it woudl be more correct to say "who didn't add diff to the forum" |
| 21:54.14 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 21:54.15 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 21:54.18 | JeffM2501 | SF is the place |
| 21:54.21 | BenUrban | yeah i know |
| 21:54.23 | BenUrban | ok |
| 21:54.25 | DTRemenak | BZBB is not a replacement for SF :) |
| 21:54.26 | BenUrban | will do |
| 21:54.33 | aaronf0 | yes it is |
| 21:54.34 | JeffM2501 | by default it only allows a few file types |
| 21:54.35 | aaronf0 | :-D |
| 21:54.38 | BenUrban | lol, someone told me to put the patch in bzbb |
| 21:54.38 | JeffM2501 | we have to add them each time |
| 21:54.46 | JeffM2501 | that pers on was wrong |
| 21:55.02 | BenUrban | well maybe they meant that i should pt a link to it in there |
| 21:55.14 | JeffM2501 | posting that patch on bzbb, is kinda like posting a cheat, since others you play against would not be able to do what your client does. |
| 21:55.25 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 21:55.41 | JeffM2501 | hence why I wouldn't even post a link to it |
| 21:55.44 | BenUrban | hmm |
| 21:55.46 | BenUrban | ok |
| 21:56.03 | BenUrban | anyone have the url for the sf patch tracker handy? |
| 21:56.06 | JeffM2501 | also hence why we need a 2.1.x branch to put stuff like that in |
| 21:56.07 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: depends what the patch does |
| 21:56.09 | JeffM2501 | www.bzflag.org |
| 21:56.16 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, it changes GM targeting |
| 21:56.21 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 21:56.32 | ruskie | ohhh how does it change it? |
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| 21:56.42 | BenUrban | it must be nice to be able to break the protocol for every minor version... |
| 21:56.43 | ruskie | can missiles do 180 corners? |
| 21:56.56 | DTRemenak | ruskie: probably takes vertical distance into account |
| 21:56.57 | JeffM2501 | BenUrban, it's one of the things that defines a minor version |
| 21:57.09 | JeffM2501 | ruskie, no not how it moves, how you lock on to a player |
| 21:57.18 | BenUrban | Here is a patch to change the targeting system so that the targeted tank ends up being the one that is closest on screen to the center of the hud. For example, this would allow a tank at the top of a tower to target a tank on top of an opposite tower even if there are other tanks in between the two towers. |
| 21:57.35 | ruskie | ahhhh |
| 21:57.37 | ruskie | nice |
| 21:57.39 | JeffM2501 | it's a tighter target |
| 21:57.39 | aaronf0 | nice |
| 21:57.39 | BenUrban | heh, gm targeting is a side effect |
| 21:57.55 | aaronf0 | guess i have to recompile bzflag |
| 21:57.57 | BenUrban | but i'd like it to be tested more |
| 21:58.00 | JeffM2501 | posibly, but it will be the most used call of that function |
| 21:58.03 | aaronf0 | its dumping... |
| 21:58.09 | DTRemenak | personally I think that it right clicking should highlight on HUD the tank that you've targetted |
| 21:58.18 | aaronf0 | good idea |
| 21:58.18 | Genosse_Darklord | hmm, i disagree |
| 21:58.23 | aaronf0 | shade it in red? |
| 21:58.33 | JeffM2501 | just but 3 lock triangles on them |
| 21:58.37 | JeffM2501 | like jet fighters have |
| 21:58.43 | aaronf0 | nice |
| 21:58.46 | JeffM2501 | and a cool "tone" |
| 21:59.01 | aaronf0 | *ding* Locked on target |
| 21:59.07 | DTRemenak | otherwise you don't know which of the two rogues you're looking at is named "n00b" and which is named "kicksyourasseverytimeyouengagehim" |
| 21:59.20 | Genosse_Darklord | to be between a gm and a friendly tank helps to stop that gm killing all friends |
| 21:59.34 | BenUrban | patch tracker = bug tracker, right? |
| 21:59.43 | ruskie | espceialy with PZ zoned... :) |
| 21:59.44 | DTRemenak | BenUrban: no, patch tracker |
| 21:59.59 | BenUrban | "feature requests"? |
| 22:00.00 | JeffM2501 | its a link |
| 22:00.00 | DTRemenak | there's a link at the top of the SF page that says "trackers" |
| 22:00.02 | Genosse_Darklord | lol |
| 22:00.02 | JeffM2501 | on the pages |
| 22:00.05 | JeffM2501 | says "patches" |
| 22:00.08 | JeffM2501 | right on the top |
| 22:00.12 | JeffM2501 | of the sf sections |
| 22:00.17 | BenUrban | on what pages? |
| 22:00.18 | JeffM2501 | same place files is |
| 22:00.22 | JeffM2501 | the sf bzflag page |
| 22:00.22 | BenUrban | oh |
| 22:00.27 | JeffM2501 | where you see the bugs part |
| 22:00.27 | aaronf0 | anyone know what the adns option to compile bzflag with is? |
| 22:00.31 | BenUrban | ahhh |
| 22:00.31 | JeffM2501 | just keep looking for patches |
| 22:00.33 | BenUrban | thanks |
| 22:00.39 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, no moving that does not change it at all. |
| 22:00.43 | DTRemenak | aaronf0: what version |
| 22:00.45 | aaronf0 | shows up in gentoos use flags, but its out of the config somewhere |
| 22:00.49 | aaronf0 | 2.0.2 |
| 22:00.56 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: moving what? |
| 22:00.57 | JeffM2501 | acutaly it screws it up in other places |
| 22:01.07 | JeffM2501 | the curl include before common |
| 22:01.07 | BenUrban | aaronf0: --enable-adns iirc |
| 22:01.09 | DTRemenak | aaronf0: configure should detect it |
| 22:01.11 | DTRemenak | oh |
| 22:01.19 | DTRemenak | moving _that_ |
| 22:01.23 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, you building clean? |
| 22:01.24 | aaronf0 | what does it do? |
| 22:01.27 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: yup |
| 22:01.32 | JeffM2501 | wierdness |
| 22:01.45 | JeffM2501 | maybe we have difent platform SDKs |
| 22:01.53 | DTRemenak | aaronf0: uses reverse asynchronous dns resolving |
| 22:02.03 | aaronf0 | good or bad? |
| 22:02.12 | DTRemenak | good if you're running a server |
| 22:02.15 | DTRemenak | irrelevant otherwise |
| 22:02.15 | aaronf0 | ahh |
| 22:02.20 | aaronf0 | thanks |
| 22:02.51 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I dunno. I haven't changed anything since install |
| 22:03.12 | DTRemenak | what are the errors you're getting |
| 22:03.21 | DTRemenak | are they in bzflag code or in system headers? |
| 22:04.08 | JeffM2501 | they are redefs in winsock |
| 22:04.14 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 22:04.25 | JeffM2501 | common eventualy includes winsock |
| 22:04.32 | JeffM2501 | curl.h includes winsock |
| 22:04.35 | JeffM2501 | hillarity ensues |
| 22:04.36 | DTRemenak | I never did understand why microsoft doesn't protect those |
| 22:04.45 | JeffM2501 | habbit |
| 22:05.08 | DTRemenak | where does common include winsock? |
| 22:05.16 | JeffM2501 | thru net and stuff IIRC |
| 22:05.32 | DTRemenak | net is not in common |
| 22:05.33 | JeffM2501 | I know it's used in main |
| 22:05.40 | JeffM2501 | common pulls in headers from net |
| 22:05.46 | JeffM2501 | somehow |
| 22:05.50 | JeffM2501 | may not be direct |
| 22:06.06 | JeffM2501 | I just know if I remove common, it compiles |
| 22:06.17 | DTRemenak | common only includes system headers, win32.h and config.h |
| 22:06.19 | JeffM2501 | and I had the same problem in old URL manager |
| 22:06.23 | JeffM2501 | that's why I buired curl |
| 22:06.31 | DTRemenak | config.h is all defines |
| 22:06.44 | JeffM2501 | commn include config |
| 22:06.55 | JeffM2501 | WTF |
| 22:07.01 | DTRemenak | so is win32.h |
| 22:07.07 | DTRemenak | yeah, that's how it has to work |
| 22:07.19 | DTRemenak | otherwise all the HAVE_ stuff doesn't work |
| 22:07.20 | JeffM2501 | why are we defining stuff for win32 in common, and not config? |
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| 22:07.27 | JeffM2501 | #ifdef _WIN32 |
| 22:07.28 | JeffM2501 | #include "win32.h" |
| 22:07.28 | JeffM2501 | #define _FD_SET(fd, set) FD_SET((unsigned int)fd, set) |
| 22:07.28 | JeffM2501 | #else |
| 22:07.28 | JeffM2501 | #define _FD_SET(fd, set) FD_SET(fd, set) |
| 22:07.28 | JeffM2501 | #endif |
| 22:07.35 | JeffM2501 | FD set is part of the error |
| 22:07.49 | DTRemenak | FD_SET is not defined yet though |
| 22:08.03 | JeffM2501 | FDset is defind in winsock |
| 22:08.08 | DTRemenak | yes |
| 22:08.12 | DTRemenak | and winsock is not included |
| 22:08.23 | DTRemenak | I wanna know where the hell you're getting winsock in from |
| 22:08.23 | JeffM2501 | wonder how it's geting it |
| 22:08.32 | JeffM2501 | wonder if on mine the windows system headers include winsock |
| 22:08.52 | DTRemenak | you don't have __MINGW32__ defined, do you? |
| 22:09.06 | JeffM2501 | it's a clean pull from CVS |
| 22:09.10 | JeffM2501 | brand new dir |
| 22:09.31 | DTRemenak | yeah, I mean in your headers. I know a bunch of people who use mingw's headers under vc |
| 22:09.48 | JeffM2501 | I've never installed mingqw |
| 22:10.28 | JeffM2501 | so I higly doubt it |
| 22:10.47 | JeffM2501 | best would be to see if MAC can build |
| 22:10.51 | JeffM2501 | maybe I'm just wierd |
| 22:10.55 | aaronf0 | just install linux |
| 22:11.19 | spldart | Why would anyone want to install linux? ;) |
| 22:11.26 | aaronf0 | spyware? |
| 22:11.29 | DTRemenak | ah, config includes windows.h in the middle of the file |
| 22:11.31 | aaronf0 | virii? |
| 22:11.39 | aaronf0 | lol |
| 22:11.39 | JeffM2501 | why do you keep talking about spyware? |
| 22:11.59 | JeffM2501 | what does spyware have to do with bzflag? |
| 22:11.59 | aaronf0 | seems a common problem for windows people |
| 22:12.08 | JeffM2501 | I don't have a problem with it |
| 22:12.08 | aaronf0 | that would make it crawl too |
| 22:12.22 | aaronf0 | me neither, but i think i was lucky |
| 22:12.23 | JeffM2501 | no you have crapy video drivers |
| 22:12.31 | aaronf0 | lol |
| 22:12.35 | spldart | Smart people have no problem with spy,viri, troj even in win :) |
| 22:12.42 | aaronf0 | yea |
| 22:12.42 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have? |
| 22:12.48 | JeffM2501 | dumb linux people get rootkited |
| 22:12.49 | aaronf0 | radeon 9200 |
| 22:12.54 | spldart | LOL |
| 22:12.55 | aaronf0 | yup |
| 22:12.55 | JeffM2501 | oh |
| 22:12.57 | JeffM2501 | I'm sorry |
| 22:13.01 | aaronf0 | no |
| 22:13.08 | aaronf0 | its the best card my computer can take |
| 22:13.12 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/win32/VC71/config.h: includes at teh top where they belong |
| 22:13.13 | JeffM2501 | no it's not |
| 22:13.19 | JeffM2501 | unless it's a mac |
| 22:13.23 | JeffM2501 | then again |
| 22:13.25 | JeffM2501 | I'm sorry |
| 22:13.29 | aaronf0 | no, its a 6 year old gateway |
| 22:13.33 | JeffM2501 | so |
| 22:13.40 | aaronf0 | with agp2 |
| 22:13.42 | JeffM2501 | if it'll take a 9200 |
| 22:13.47 | JeffM2501 | it'll take a 9800 |
| 22:13.51 | JeffM2501 | and a 5950 |
| 22:14.01 | aaronf0 | the 9400 wouldnt support agp 2 |
| 22:14.09 | aaronf0 | or the bastards where lying to us |
| 22:14.18 | JeffM2501 | then go with a company that makes decent cards :) |
| 22:14.24 | aaronf0 | yea |
| 22:14.32 | JeffM2501 | 90% of the cards will go down to 2x |
| 22:14.32 | aaronf0 | i didnt really know about gfx cards then |
| 22:14.34 | spldart | I love my ati grr |
| 22:14.35 | JeffM2501 | auto detect |
| 22:14.55 | JeffM2501 | spldart, you do video, it makes sense for you to have one, they have some of the best video in/out in the biz |
| 22:14.58 | aaronf0 | no auto detect on linux |
| 22:15.06 | JeffM2501 | aaronf0, it's the bios |
| 22:15.07 | JeffM2501 | not the OS |
| 22:15.13 | JeffM2501 | and yes linux does plug and play just fine |
| 22:15.25 | aaronf0 | i dont think gfx cards are on the list |
| 22:15.33 | aaronf0 | and my bios are out |
| 22:15.36 | JeffM2501 | again, it's the bios |
| 22:15.39 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: my winsock.h is protected against multiple inclusion. is yours not? |
| 22:15.39 | JeffM2501 | on the card |
| 22:15.49 | DTRemenak | #ifndef _WINSOCKAPI_ |
| 22:15.49 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, let me look |
| 22:16.03 | JeffM2501 | _WINSOCK2API_ |
| 22:16.12 | JeffM2501 | the errors I get are from winsoc2 |
| 22:16.15 | JeffM2501 | not 1 |
| 22:16.28 | aaronf0 | hmm, getting autodetect and auto-install-drivers/auto-use-drivers confused again... |
| 22:16.30 | JeffM2501 | I'm making a pastebin now |
| 22:16.37 | DTRemenak | ok. winsock2.h then, is protected from multiple inclusion also... |
| 22:16.45 | JeffM2501 | it looks it |
| 22:16.54 | JeffM2501 | so somethign else is defining that crap |
| 22:17.01 | JeffM2501 | or undefining the protection |
| 22:17.05 | JeffM2501 | maybe I have a bum libcurl |
| 22:17.06 | DTRemenak | right |
| 22:17.16 | JeffM2501 | that may be common on both systems |
| 22:17.25 | JeffM2501 | wanna zip yours up and and mail it to me? |
| 22:17.54 | DTRemenak | hm, that's interesting |
| 22:17.57 | JeffM2501 | http://www.pastebin.com/276390 |
| 22:17.59 | JeffM2501 | my build log |
| 22:19.05 | DTRemenak | URLManager.cxx:15. can you try #define _WINSOCK2API_ before curl.h include? |
| 22:19.28 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 22:19.43 | JeffM2501 | I'm in the middle of a work build can't realy bring it back up |
| 22:19.48 | DTRemenak | ok |
| 22:20.02 | DTRemenak | URLManager has a #define _WINSOCK2API_ |
| 22:20.13 | DTRemenak | I'm wondering if one in cURLManager would fix you |
| 22:21.11 | JeffM2501 | where/ |
| 22:21.38 | DTRemenak | at the very top of the file |
| 22:21.47 | DTRemenak | before anything is included |
| 22:22.01 | JeffM2501 | k |
| 22:22.33 | DTRemenak | I think in a header that might mess something else up elsewhere though...like if cURLManager.h is included before net.h or something |
| 22:22.58 | DTRemenak | probably need a state-savind define/undefine pair to make it work right, if that fixes the duplicate defs. |
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| 22:24.54 | blast007 | hmm, I'm getting the same errors ;) |
| 22:26.26 | JeffM2501 | cpu.... cycles...... going.......slow...... |
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| 22:26.58 | spldart | hehe |
| 22:28.03 | JeffM2501 | common build |
| 22:28.06 | JeffM2501 | building client |
| 22:30.18 | *** join/#bzflag rkr (~rkr@hermes.olib.org) |
| 22:30.25 | rkr | Hello. |
| 22:30.36 | spldart | Hi |
| 22:30.49 | rkr | Are there known security problems with the bzflag 1.x clients? |
| 22:30.57 | rkr | In particular...someone seems to have hacked one of my accounts. |
| 22:31.00 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: does windows.h depend on any of the defines that were at the top? |
| 22:31.13 | DTRemenak | TimRiker: no |
| 22:31.15 | rkr | I filed a bug report on the SourceForge site... |
| 22:31.56 | TimRiker | DTRemenak: k |
| 22:31.58 | rkr | (the 2.x package isn't yet in pkgsrc, so I'm using the older client...) |
| 22:32.17 | TimRiker | rkr: read that. you didn't say if you were using /identify or global login. |
| 22:32.28 | TimRiker | ah. /identify then? |
| 22:32.29 | DTRemenak | rkr: server owners have access to your password in 1.x. never, ever use the same password on multiple servers |
| 22:32.38 | rkr | n I used /identify |
| 22:32.43 | DTRemenak | ~n |
| 22:32.44 | ibot | n is, like, the disease bzflag players get when they play too much |
| 22:32.51 | JeffM2501 | that sends the pasword plaintext |
| 22:32.56 | rkr | Heh. (^& |
| 22:32.57 | JeffM2501 | to the server owner |
| 22:33.14 | TimRiker | rkr: yes. there are issues with /identify. admins have your password. not true in 2.x |
| 22:33.17 | rkr | No one told me to use anything different. |
| 22:33.30 | DTRemenak | that's all there was in 1.x. |
| 22:33.31 | rkr | besides, this person hacked the account a long time after I had logged in. |
| 22:33.42 | JeffM2501 | well not true with global login, still true in 2.0 with local login |
| 22:33.46 | TimRiker | all they needed was shell access to the server. |
| 22:33.51 | DTRemenak | are you /registered on multiple servers? |
| 22:33.54 | JeffM2501 | rkr, they still had your password |
| 22:33.57 | DTRemenak | with the same password? |
| 22:34.00 | JeffM2501 | if you never change it |
| 22:34.03 | JeffM2501 | then they got it |
| 22:34.06 | rkr | No. |
| 22:34.19 | rkr | The password was just for the one system (which hosts two servers). |
| 22:34.33 | DTRemenak | anyone who has shell or log access to a server you're registered on can snarf your password. |
| 22:34.35 | rkr | The admins there had made me an admin. I can't believe that they would give it out to someone like this. |
| 22:34.42 | rkr | ...unless another admin account were hacked. |
| 22:34.47 | TimRiker | and that person should not have had access to the server machine I presume? |
| 22:34.48 | DTRemenak | right |
| 22:35.15 | rkr | Well, let's put it this way: The person is abusive and troublesome, and was tap-dancing on the edge of getting banned just for personality problems. |
| 22:35.28 | TimRiker | some admins are like that. ;-) |
| 22:35.32 | rkr | Another player had started a poll to ban him, but an admin cut it for some reason. |
| 22:35.38 | rkr | He isn't an admin. |
| 22:35.41 | rkr | He is a normal player. |
| 22:35.43 | DTRemenak | if one of the *other* admins was using the same password for a shell account and on another bzflag server, then that person may have inadvertently provided the means to snarf all the passwords on another server |
| 22:36.08 | rkr | Right before he told me my passoword, then bumped me off somehow, I had tremendous lag (over 1300ms). |
| 22:36.08 | JeffM2501 | still it's old version stuff |
| 22:36.15 | JeffM2501 | so techincaly it may allready been fixed |
| 22:36.15 | rkr | (nod) |
| 22:36.32 | JeffM2501 | global login dosn't send the password to the game server |
| 22:36.33 | DTRemenak | these are just some of the problems that the global login system is supposed to take care of |
| 22:36.40 | rkr | I didn't initially relate the lag, but in retrospect, I wonderd if he had managed to flood my client and caused it to resend/revalidate. |
| 22:36.41 | JeffM2501 | upgrade |
| 22:36.59 | rkr | Well, no one ever told me about the global login. (^& |
| 22:37.04 | JeffM2501 | read the release notes |
| 22:37.07 | JeffM2501 | and bzbb |
| 22:37.17 | DTRemenak | I probably ought to set the pkgsrc stuff up for 2.0. I use it on my server. |
| 22:37.24 | bryjen | if they had your password, the old 1.x system had a /ghost command ala irc |
| 22:37.30 | rkr | I'd upgrade if it were available in the package system that I'm using. 1.10.6nb2 is the version in the system. |
| 22:37.37 | JeffM2501 | build from source |
| 22:37.41 | rkr | Building by hand is a bit of a chore (I did it once on a LINUX box...) |
| 22:37.55 | rkr | Does it have any new dependencies? |
| 22:38.11 | JeffM2501 | then we can't realy help you, the bug report is kind of moot, it you can't get the fix for it |
| 22:38.17 | DTRemenak | kinda :) make sure you have libcurl installed, that will make things much better for you |
| 22:38.30 | DTRemenak | www/curl in pkgsrc |
| 22:38.40 | rkr | I have the curl package installed...not sure if that's... |
| 22:38.42 | rkr | Ah. |
| 22:39.03 | rkr | Okay. That was brought in by vorbis-tools... |
| 22:39.09 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, client builds fine with that change |
| 22:39.13 | JeffM2501 | checking bzadmin and server |
| 22:39.23 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: cool. |
| 22:39.50 | DTRemenak | just a #define _WINSOCK2API_ at the top of the file? |
| 22:39.50 | rkr | Well, if he got my password by flooding the client, and no one has heard of this before, then that may still be a bug in 2.x. |
| 22:39.55 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 22:40.39 | DTRemenak | k. I'll commit a state-preserving version for you to check |
| 22:40.41 | rkr | Anyway, thanks. Though the damage is pretty well done at this point. |
| 22:40.52 | DTRemenak | rkr: client never stores the password |
| 22:40.59 | DTRemenak | unless it's in your config file |
| 22:41.01 | JeffM2501 | best to allways use non system passwords on game and stuch |
| 22:41.06 | JeffM2501 | you never know where the data will go |
| 22:41.08 | bryjen | the global password stuff in 2.x is completely different. And I don't think there's a way to trigger the 1.x client to send it. You do it manually with /identify |
| 22:41.30 | rkr | I only gave the password via the /identify command. I always type it manually. |
| 22:41.36 | *** join/#bzflag retro (~ken@gateway-1237.mvista.com) |
| 22:41.39 | JeffM2501 | that gives it right to the server |
| 22:41.42 | JeffM2501 | in plain text |
| 22:41.43 | DTRemenak | the client has no knowledge of the pass then |
| 22:41.43 | JeffM2501 | every time |
| 22:41.49 | DTRemenak | but the server has full knowledge :) |
| 22:41.57 | JeffM2501 | if they got it, it came from the server |
| 22:41.59 | JeffM2501 | server logs |
| 22:42.00 | rkr | Okay. Well, the server is the only system that *cares* about it. |
| 22:42.08 | rkr | It's not like I use the same password on different systems. (^& |
| 22:42.17 | DTRemenak | good...too many people do :( |
| 22:42.28 | rkr | So that's not a problem, unless someone sniffs it inbetween...which is unlikely in this case, I think. |
| 22:42.30 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, builds fine, I'll comit it and you can see if it breaks you. |
| 22:42.54 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: I'm sure it will work for now. Mostly I want to keep it from breaking again in the future |
| 22:42.59 | rkr | BTW, how does 2.x run? I don't have hardware OpenGL, so I run it in low resolution (640x480 or so)... |
| 22:43.01 | DTRemenak | if include orders in other files change |
| 22:43.28 | rkr | Will it run better, worse, or about the same? (Pure software OpenGL.) |
| 22:43.42 | DTRemenak | 2.x is a bit slower than 1.x in general. faster sometimes. way slower if you join maps that use the "new stuff" |
| 22:43.46 | JeffM2501 | 2.0 can have more complex maps, so many games will run a lot slower |
| 22:43.50 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/include/cURLManager.h: make winsock be all happy on some systems. |
| 22:44.07 | JeffM2501 | spend $30 on a card and join us in the 21st centry :) |
| 22:44.24 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: probably no accelerated drivers |
| 22:44.29 | rkr | Is that because OpenGL stuff kicks out of the hardware pipeline, or because things like collision detection get harder? |
| 22:44.35 | DTRemenak | he's using a -nb package so I'm guessing he's on netbsd |
| 22:44.43 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:44.49 | rkr | Jeff: I spent morel ike $100 on this card. But the problem is that the people who did DRI didn't think about doing it portably... |
| 22:44.52 | JeffM2501 | rkr, its because there is a lot more geo |
| 22:44.58 | JeffM2501 | DRI blows |
| 22:45.07 | DTRemenak | rkr: meshes are way more complicated. lots of vertices and lots of complex math |
| 22:45.10 | JeffM2501 | hence why I stay away from ATI |
| 22:45.11 | rkr | It doesn't run on anything but GNU/LINUX (and then someone got it working on FreeBSD...). |
| 22:45.43 | rkr | Hm... Well, the CPU at least is an AMD64....(^& |
| 22:45.50 | DTRemenak | that'll help :) |
| 22:45.50 | JeffM2501 | nvidia has freebsd drivers |
| 22:45.55 | rkr | (And it's an ATI card...) |
| 22:45.58 | JeffM2501 | yeah the 3d now will do some |
| 22:46.06 | DTRemenak | JeffM2501: freebsd != netbsd though :) |
| 22:46.07 | JeffM2501 | DRI == ATI in this day in age :) |
| 22:46.12 | JeffM2501 | DTRemenak, true |
| 22:46.29 | JeffM2501 | but it's closer :) |
| 22:46.34 | rkr | Do they work on the AMD64? (Last I checked, FreeBSD didn't do sound on my system anyway...I'm waiting for a major update and hope that it works usably...) |
| 22:46.42 | DTRemenak | heh. the kernels are way different actually. |
| 22:46.58 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 22:47.21 | rkr | My preference would be to get DRI on NetBSD. Ah well. |
| 22:47.29 | DTRemenak | userlands are pretty close, but the kernels have been diverging for 15 years |
| 22:47.44 | rkr | Um, 12 years. |
| 22:47.55 | DTRemenak | 12 rounds to 15 |
| 22:48.04 | rkr | NetBSD turned 12 on March 21...FreeBSD is a little younger. |
| 22:48.14 | rkr | Oh. Right. I forgot to round to the nearest multiple of 15. |
| 22:48.15 | DTRemenak | ok so more like 10 :) |
| 22:48.36 | rkr | (^& |
| 22:48.38 | DTRemenak | hehe :) |
| 22:48.54 | DTRemenak | still, it's a heck of a long time. linux 10 years ago was... |
| 22:49.04 | trepan | hm, texture downloading is now thoroughly broken |
| 22:49.12 | rkr | (It runs better on the GNU/LINUX partition, but...I miss a BSD userland. Maybe I should see what the latest FreeBSD release does on this system.) |
| 22:49.13 | DTRemenak | primitive |
| 22:49.24 | DTRemenak | BSD is da bomb |
| 22:49.58 | rkr | Well, I like it, anyway. |
| 22:50.01 | DTRemenak | I run DragonFly personally. Was rather unsettled by some of the FreeBSD5 changes |
| 22:50.23 | rkr | I don't recall if DragonFly includes DRI support... |
| 22:50.35 | DTRemenak | I don't know. It's not a very mature system yet |
| 22:50.49 | DTRemenak | if you don't like building from source packages it's probably not right for you yet :) |
| 22:51.13 | rkr | I like building from source packages. The problem is that I am now hooked on the *source*package* (as a noun-phrase). |
| 22:51.25 | DTRemenak | X is a pain to build because neither ports nor pkgsrc builds quite right |
| 22:51.38 | rkr | Take away the "package" part and I find myself unhappily poking at GNU auto* tools. |
| 22:51.43 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 22:51.59 | DTRemenak | for bzflag, it's ./autogen.sh, ./configure, gmake -s install |
| 22:52.10 | DTRemenak | at least on dragonfly, that works fine |
| 22:52.10 | rkr | Can't be done with the native make? |
| 22:52.27 | DTRemenak | bsd make chokes on some manfile instruction |
| 22:52.43 | DTRemenak | at least freebsd's and dragonfly's both do |
| 22:53.05 | rkr | (I guess the other issue is dependencies. Package systems mean that someone else has sorted out what you need already... And then, of course, they keep track of what you've installed, what it depends upon ...) |
| 22:53.42 | DTRemenak | yeah. you may have just inspired me to try to update pkgsrc's bzflag port, so hey :) |
| 22:53.50 | rkr | (I'm lazy, I admit it. I used to port stuff to the Amiga, once upon a time, without such support, and usually had to hack up make files..) |
| 22:54.10 | rkr | Go, DTRemenak! Update that pkgsrc package! (^& |
| 22:54.13 | DTRemenak | I'm not sure they'll like the fact that I won't test it on netbsd though :) |
| 22:54.26 | rkr | Well, in theory, pkgsrc is system independant. |
| 22:54.40 | rkr | And if you send me the pkgsrc files for it, I'll happily test it on NetBSD/amd64. |
| 22:54.49 | DTRemenak | ok, that might work :) |
| 22:54.57 | rkr | rkr@olib.org |
| 22:55.15 | rkr | (If you are seriously of a mind to do so.) |
| 22:55.32 | rkr | ("How much trouble could it be," after all? (^&) |
| 22:55.44 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 22:56.04 | DTRemenak | yeah, I'd like to look at it. it hasn't been updated in three releases, so... |
| 22:57.31 | rkr | Well, feel free to email me the ...pkgsrc/games/bzflag2/ directory, or whatever. (^& |
| 22:57.59 | DTRemenak | heh, ok :) |
| 22:58.51 | rkr | Meanwhile...downloading the sources. |
| 22:59.06 | rkr | Estimated time, 40 seconds. |
| 22:59.21 | rkr | Brings back memories of the old days with 1200bps modems... |
| 23:00.12 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:00.57 | rkr | Well, let's see how it goes. configuring, now... |
| 23:01.34 | rkr | Configure complains, "no bzflag client binary!". Does that mean that it won't build the client? |
| 23:02.54 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 23:02.54 | DTRemenak | you're missing GL headers probably |
| 23:03.13 | rkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:03.46 | DTRemenak | ok, let's rephrase...it THINKS you're missing GL headers probably :) |
| 23:03.50 | rkr | (^& |
| 23:04.28 | DTRemenak | if you have autotools installed, try running ./autogen.sh before ./configure |
| 23:04.37 | rkr | I did that already. |
| 23:04.42 | DTRemenak | ah, ok |
| 23:04.47 | rkr | Maybe autogen.sh got something messed up and I should not have done that? |
| 23:04.53 | DTRemenak | should have picked up your include paths then |
| 23:05.00 | DTRemenak | no, that's the "right thing" to do |
| 23:05.50 | DTRemenak | look at the GL tests in config.log and see what it's complaining about |
| 23:06.30 | rkr | I'm specifying CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS to see if that fixes it. |
| 23:06.44 | rkr | Yes, now it says "bzflag client". (^& |
| 23:06.50 | DTRemenak | heh :) |
| 23:07.29 | rkr | (I did the LDFLAGS bit as a precaution...NetBSD tends to want you to specify rpaths whenever you build...) |
| 23:07.48 | rkr | (Also, I wanted to force it to find the GL in /usr/pkg first, rather than the one in /usr/X11R6...) |
| 23:07.53 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:08.15 | rkr | .deps/ServerList... |
| 23:08.27 | rkr | .deps/low_barel |
| 23:08.34 | rkr | Hey, does that mean you can aim high/low in 2.x? |
| 23:08.49 | DTRemenak | no, those are detail levels |
| 23:08.59 | rkr | Oh. My hopes are dashed. |
| 23:09.09 | brlcad | probably just missing pthread |
| 23:09.25 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACBC6265.ipt.aol.com) |
| 23:09.32 | brlcad | ./configure LIBS="-lpthread" |
| 23:09.34 | rkr | You mean my system, brlcad? |
| 23:09.46 | brlcad | no, i mean the test for a functioning gl |
| 23:09.53 | brlcad | it's pretty weak right now |
| 23:09.56 | rkr | It was happy once I told it where to find stuff (/usr/pkg & /usr/X11R6) for includes & libs. |
| 23:10.18 | brlcad | ahh, I missed that bit |
| 23:10.25 | brlcad | never mind then :) |
| 23:10.36 | rkr | The binary would not run if it didn't specify the right rpath. I can't remember if X11 is in the rpath; I think it is not. |
| 23:10.41 | brlcad | what did it need /usr/pkg for?? |
| 23:10.48 | rkr | (Not unless you tell it.) |
| 23:10.53 | rkr | The OpenGL. |
| 23:11.14 | rkr | Otherwise, it uses the OpenGL that came with the Xserver, which...kind of doesn't work for some things, owing to bugs, on the AMD64. |
| 23:11.36 | rkr | The packaged Mesa has fixed that. |
| 23:11.59 | rkr | (The bug sounded like the same one that someone reported about a year ago for Mesa on the Alpha, so it was probably a 64-bit issue in Mesa.) |
| 23:12.36 | rkr | .deps/ControlPanel... |
| 23:12.51 | rkr | One day, it will be done compiling. (^& |
| 23:14.24 | rkr | (Oh, and /usr/pkg is where the curl library is, I think. Certainly a version...interestingly, it didn't complain about that before I told it to look in /usr/pkg. Hm.) |
| 23:14.50 | rkr | .deps/callbacks.Po... |
| 23:15.10 | rkr | I assume that I can run it in-place. |
| 23:15.18 | rkr | Is it going to screw up my bzflag config? |
| 23:15.43 | rkr | Oh, ick. Blew up in bzflag/playing.cxx:446undefined reference to `BzfDisplay::isValidResolution(int) const |
| 23:16.00 | rkr | No, wait, that's not the first error. |
| 23:16.30 | rkr | src/bzflag/MainWindow.h:42: undefined reference to `BzfWindow::addResizeCallback(void (*)(void*), void*) |
| 23:17.23 | rkr | Looks like it died while linking. |
| 23:17.25 | DTRemenak | hmm, maybe that's what the junk that I just found in the pkgsrc makefile is there for |
| 23:18.01 | rkr | (^& |
| 23:18.21 | rkr | It's grand when the junk you found is good for something... |
| 23:19.44 | DTRemenak | SUBST_FILES.fixme= src/platform/Makefile.in |
| 23:19.52 | DTRemenak | SUBST_SED.fixme= -e "s|@LINUX_TRUE@||g" |
| 23:19.59 | DTRemenak | SUBST_SED.fixme+= -e "s|@LINUX_FALSE@|\#|g" |
| 23:21.36 | rkr | That's a weird substitution for the second one. |
| 23:21.54 | DTRemenak | freebsd does the same thing |
| 23:22.01 | DTRemenak | just looked at their ports makefile |
| 23:22.27 | DTRemenak | which probably means bzflag is broken and we've just never known it because the porters always patch around it :S |
| 23:22.38 | DTRemenak | configure should take care of all that |
| 23:22.40 | rkr | So, get rid of the @LINUX_.*@ strings, and replace the false one with #? |
| 23:22.47 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 23:22.53 | DTRemenak | basically "assume it's true |
| 23:22.57 | rkr | Well, yeah. (^& |
| 23:23.04 | rkr | (Re. porters patching around...) |
| 23:23.07 | DTRemenak | "Hey, I'm linux. No, really... " :) |
| 23:23.13 | rkr | Okay, I'm making the change... |
| 23:23.29 | rkr | I notice that it doesn't support resizing resolutions outside of LINUX---at least, not on NetBSD. |
| 23:23.50 | rkr | Does the LINUX port use something other than the XFree86 video mode stuff to change resolution? |
| 23:24.19 | DTRemenak | no, just uses X extensions |
| 23:24.30 | DTRemenak | if your X server doesn't want you to for some reason, then it won't |
| 23:24.33 | rkr | Rerunning configure... |
| 23:24.46 | rkr | My X server does support those. |
| 23:24.49 | DTRemenak | no, don't do that :) |
| 23:24.55 | rkr | (freeglut/OpenGLUT/etc. use the extension) |
| 23:24.55 | DTRemenak | you just changed Makefile.in right? |
| 23:25.03 | DTRemenak | configure will rebuild all the Makefile.in's :) |
| 23:25.05 | rkr | I changed Makefile.in |
| 23:25.18 | DTRemenak | you'll lose the changes you just made |
| 23:25.43 | DTRemenak | I think |
| 23:25.44 | rkr | I thought that automake build .in files from .am files, and autoconf made Makefiles from .in. |
| 23:26.05 | DTRemenak | you might be right, in which case I'm misunderstanding the freebsd makefile :S |
| 23:26.22 | rkr | Changes are still in there. |
| 23:26.28 | DTRemenak | okeydokey |
| 23:26.33 | rkr | See, this is why I don't build by hand. (^& Let someone else pull out *their* hair... |
| 23:26.40 | brlcad | heh |
| 23:27.04 | rkr | gmake clean && gmake |
| 23:27.10 | brlcad | yes, .in's come from .am's .. though if everything is working correctly, the can regenerate each other without running configure again |
| 23:27.24 | DTRemenak | hah. like that ever happens :) |
| 23:27.29 | brlcad | it's only working "correctly" about 10% of the time from what I've seen |
| 23:27.31 | rkr | I would quibble over the word "correctly". (^& |
| 23:27.48 | rkr | I've seen it happen some times with a library that I hack on a little. |
| 23:27.54 | DTRemenak | geez we added a lot of files in 2.0 :) |
| 23:28.35 | aaronf0 | ttp://pastebin.com/276418 |
| 23:28.38 | brlcad | usually best to rerun autogen if it's an .am, configure if it's a .in, otherwise just make or know what you're doing and what's going on ;) |
| 23:28.55 | rkr | I follow the first 2 suggestions. |
| 23:29.07 | aaronf0 | just recompiled |
| 23:29.09 | rkr | I gave up trying to know what I'm doing, much less what's going on...(^%& |
| 23:29.35 | aaronf0 | dont think it likes my new drivers... |
| 23:29.45 | brlcad | i don't like your new drivers either |
| 23:29.50 | rkr | (^& |
| 23:29.54 | rkr | Shades of Star Wars. |
| 23:30.05 | aaronf0 | lol |
| 23:30.09 | aaronf0 | i just saw that movie |
| 23:30.12 | *** join/#bzflag triclops (~triclops@c211-31-49-112.rivrw7.nsw.optusnet.com.au) |
| 23:30.29 | rkr | I gather that they've been running it again, and the other two movies. |
| 23:30.38 | rkr | THey did that right before Episode I, too... |
| 23:30.42 | aaronf0 | no, my sister was watching it |
| 23:30.54 | aaronf0 | http://pastebin.com/276418 |
| 23:31.01 | aaronf0 | less choped up |
| 23:31.08 | rkr | Do you read the Foxtrot comic strip? |
| 23:31.13 | aaronf0 | yea |
| 23:31.19 | aaronf0 | H&H |
| 23:31.32 | aaronf0 | anyone up for a game? |
| 23:31.34 | rkr | read the one where they were speculating why Aniken turned to the dark side? |
| 23:31.39 | aaronf0 | yea |
| 23:31.45 | aaronf0 | pink lightsaber |
| 23:32.07 | aaronf0 | best one |
| 23:32.28 | rkr | (^7 |
| 23:32.36 | rkr | "Meesa your new padewan!" |
| 23:32.38 | aaronf0 | little ani goes pimping with a pink saber yo |
| 23:32.43 | brlcad | aaronf0: game of russian roulette? |
| 23:32.53 | aaronf0 | no, H & H |
| 23:33.03 | brlcad | Hungeons and Hagons? |
| 23:33.07 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/include/cURLManager.h: don't screw things up if headers are included in a different order in some other file |
| 23:33.27 | aaronf0 | brlcad: you dont read foxtrot do you? |
| 23:33.42 | rkr | Actually, I don't get the H&H reference, either... |
| 23:33.48 | brlcad | I can't read |
| 23:33.54 | rkr | But then, I am not a true acolyte of Foxtrot. |
| 23:34.06 | rkr | Ah, can't read. There you go. |
| 23:34.13 | aaronf0 | dungeons and dragons |
| 23:34.20 | aaronf0 | but houses and humans |
| 23:34.37 | rkr | The hairdo one would have been enough for me to convert to the dark side. |
| 23:34.49 | aaronf0 | heh |
| 23:35.08 | rkr | I could probably have handled the light saber. And I could have arranged a "training accident" to deal with Jarjar... |
| 23:35.19 | brlcad | Hairdressers and Hambones |
| 23:35.52 | aaronf0 | a pink saber would kick ass |
| 23:35.58 | rkr | src/bzflag/MainWindow.h:42: undefined reference to `BzfWindow::addResizeCallback(void (*)(void*), void*) |
| 23:36.01 | aaronf0 | i want to see a white one though |
| 23:36.01 | rkr | Same error, same place. |
| 23:36.09 | aaronf0 | http://pastebin.com/276418 |
| 23:36.15 | aaronf0 | same error, same place |
| 23:36.25 | rkr | Is there an echo? |
| 23:36.34 | aaronf0 | is there an echo? |
| 23:36.36 | aaronf0 | :-D |
| 23:36.45 | aaronf0 | no, just a lack of attention |
| 23:37.56 | rkr | Okay. Now I have a good reason not to upgrade: I can't. Wah... |
| 23:38.22 | aaronf0 | lol |
| 23:38.25 | rkr | Unless there are some more suggestions from the guy updating the package... |
| 23:39.47 | brlcad | if you provide a temp account, I'll hop in and see if I can get it compiled |
| 23:40.03 | aaronf0 | who? |
| 23:40.12 | rkr | I think he means me... |
| 23:40.12 | brlcad | not you |
| 23:40.15 | rkr | (^& |
| 23:40.18 | brlcad | yes you :) |
| 23:40.57 | rkr | Err, the place is a bit of a mess. (^& |
| 23:42.17 | brlcad | not that you know me, but I really don't care |
| 23:43.07 | rkr | (^& Thanks. I'll probably take a further stab at it, using the pkgsrc patches as a guide, before I really give up. |
| 23:43.47 | brlcad | undefined references should be easy to fix |
| 23:44.09 | rkr | (Just got an email from my provider: DSL & T1 customers should experience an outage ...) |
| 23:44.37 | brlcad | email them back and tell them you're having trouble with your T1 line |
| 23:44.41 | DTRemenak | hah, I wonder if I'm the first person to use a five-minute hack VB program to build a PLIST :) |
| 23:44.55 | rkr | Yeah, should be easy to fix. Basically, code got blocked by #ifdef somewhere. (^& |
| 23:44.56 | DTRemenak | just seems kinda ironic |
| 23:45.10 | rkr | You could have done "make print-plist" or some such... |
| 23:45.31 | rkr | ...assuming that the package built and installed. |
| 23:45.55 | DTRemenak | meh |
| 23:46.06 | rkr | I'll just pretend that I don't know what "VB" stands for. |
| 23:46.11 | DTRemenak | haha |
| 23:46.29 | DTRemenak | would have done it in perl but I'm in windows at the moment |
| 23:46.49 | rkr | Why not in awk? Or Python? Or a Bourne shell script? OR sed? |
| 23:46.58 | rkr | There are so many languages to choose from... |
| 23:47.00 | brlcad | Very Beligerant |
| 23:47.06 | DTRemenak | and yet, I am in windows |
| 23:47.12 | DTRemenak | and already had visual stuido running |
| 23:47.17 | rkr | Virtual Blasphemy. |
| 23:47.18 | DTRemenak | and sure as hell wasn't gonna do it in C :) |
| 23:47.29 | rkr | You could have done it in c preprocessor... |
| 23:47.33 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 23:47.52 | DTRemenak | from the reaction, I'd say that yeah, it's a pretty good bet I'm the first :) |
| 23:48.09 | brlcad | hmm.. ChanServ musta crashed eh? |
| 23:48.13 | rkr | Don't try to put that resulting PLIST on a real computer, unless its insured. |
| 23:48.23 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o brlcad] by ChanServ |
| 23:48.33 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 23:48.50 | brlcad | that usually only happens when she crashes |
| 23:49.01 | brlcad | or if I part on a split |
| 23:49.51 | rkr | Vladimir Butin? |
| 23:50.02 | rkr | Voracious Banjo? |
| 23:50.26 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o DTRemenak] by brlcad |
| 23:50.32 | rkr | Vacationing Brewmeister? |
| 23:50.38 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o brlcad] by brlcad |
| 23:50.51 | brlcad | weee |
| 23:50.52 | brlcad | ls -la |
| 23:51.34 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@h-68-165-238-89.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 23:51.36 | brlcad | dang finger habits |
| 23:51.55 | rkr | alias lk='ls -aF' |
| 23:52.07 | rkr | Hello, lan56. |
| 23:52.43 | rkr | Yes, that's YOU, lan56. You are the lucky winner of this... |
| 23:52.47 | rkr | ...of this... |
| 23:52.58 | rkr | ...VB program that DTRemanak crafted for you. |
| 23:53.11 | DTRemenak | ha |
| 23:53.33 | rkr | You will be liable for all applicable taxes, disclaimers, and lost appendices. |
| 23:54.26 | rkr | So, does the PLIST bit mean that you are done? (^& |
| 23:54.37 | DTRemenak | not exactly :) |
| 23:55.50 | rkr | Hm... And the cheering crowds haven't got you there yet? How about the groupies? |
| 23:58.13 | lan56 | rkr: ok, what is the program? dtr's never made something for me |
| 23:58.29 | lan56 | if it's free, I can't afford much :) |
| 23:58.39 | rkr | It generates a PLIST, apparently. |
| 23:58.43 | DTRemenak | lan56: I had commented that it was ironic that I wrote a small VB program to assist me building a PLIST |
| 23:58.57 | lan56 | ahh |
| 23:59.18 | rkr | If you don't know what a PLIST is for, you probably don't need it. If you don't need it...well, you sometimes get what you pay for. (^& |
| 23:59.51 | DTRemenak | haha |