| 00:04.37 | *** join/#bzflag Gniarf (gniarf@gniarf.net1.nerim.net) |
| 00:05.29 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar_ (~foo@wegstar.user.allegro) |
| 00:14.22 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/HUDRenderer.cxx: comment |
| 00:15.06 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03dtremenak * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/Permissions.cxx: ws |
| 00:30.22 | *** join/#bzflag sd102 (~ipaq@c529df873.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 00:34.33 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a6:892a:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 00:43.33 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-136-134.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 01:08.50 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar_ (~foo@wegstar.user.allegro) |
| 01:35.13 | *** join/#bzflag kroboto (~kroboto@c-24-17-59-35.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 01:38.49 | *** join/#bzflag MeBigFatGuy (dave@209.150.117.248) |
| 02:03.28 | *** join/#bzflag geoffrey (~geoffrey@host81-155-100-168.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) |
| 02:03.39 | geoffrey | hi |
| 02:03.47 | geoffrey | UGM here |
| 02:04.04 | geoffrey | any OS X users here? |
| 02:04.23 | geoffrey | or anyone who could help with my problem compiling BZflag on OS X? |
| 02:09.17 | *** part/#bzflag Gniarf (gniarf@gniarf.net1.nerim.net) |
| 02:11.50 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~JeffM@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 02:11.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 02:17.32 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (~vircuser@cpe-67-10-221-4.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 02:25.37 | *** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@2002:45a6:892a:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 02:56.32 | spldart | Quiet in here... IB jpa- screams :-p |
| 02:56.49 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar_ (~foo@wegstar.user.allegro) |
| 03:12.33 | *** join/#bzflag BenUrban (~benurban@pcp07709741pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) |
| 03:14.12 | *** join/#bzflag lan56 (lan56@h-68-165-19-254.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 03:48.14 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (~david@81371659292b3e59.node.tor) |
| 04:02.20 | *** join/#bzflag Electric1lf (~david@131b499f75632fa1.node.tor) |
| 04:03.51 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (~david@90da2ca72971bbea.node.tor) |
| 04:07.12 | spldart | I notice it says in the sample .conf that '-f bad' turns off all bad flags.. Is '-f good' viable to turn off all good flags? |
| 04:13.34 | spldart | and what is -fb? |
| 04:14.02 | blast007 | -fb == flags on buildings |
| 04:14.16 | spldart | oh yeah |
| 04:24.17 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (~david@003a06e516f41ecc.node.tor) |
| 05:32.21 | jpa- | spldart: sorry for not being here screaming at 5:56 AM |
| 05:57.16 | spldart | heh |
| 05:58.04 | spldart | Was only 10 pm ;) hehe |
| 06:21.38 | *** join/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c121-p076.vtx.ch) |
| 06:28.44 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901|away (brad2901@ACD70E62.ipt.aol.com) |
| 06:37.21 | *** part/#bzflag DarthValou (~none@lsn-boi-catv-c121-p076.vtx.ch) |
| 06:50.38 | *** join/#bzflag ToughShooter (~ts@pD9EA7BD3.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:58.48 | *** join/#bzflag Electric1lf (~david@95e46ce902a28f46.node.tor) |
| 06:59.33 | *** join/#bzflag DarkMaster (~Matthew@130.85.253.237) |
| 07:51.50 | *** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 08:57.39 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (revol@ATuileries-117-1-24-44.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 09:08.42 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-136-134.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 10:15.13 | *** join/#bzflag Pimpinella (~frank@p5481A38D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:32.07 | *** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 10:44.36 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (~birdie@d5153C263.access.telenet.be) |
| 11:07.45 | *** join/#bzflag jomojo (~jomojo@c-24-17-68-130.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 11:26.36 | *** join/#bzflag ruffle (~chatzilla@34.55.79.83.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 12:02.49 | *** join/#bzflag crko` (jan@crko.user) |
| 13:24.44 | *** join/#bzflag purple_cow (~jupiter@128.138.74.40) |
| 13:24.44 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o purple_cow] by ChanServ |
| 13:35.22 | *** join/#bzflag awelux__ (~wizart@dsl-084-058-046-178.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:37.14 | *** join/#bzflag wizart (~wizart@dsl-084-058-046-178.arcor-ip.net) |
| 14:31.41 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (~david@869c436c77cfaf43.node.tor) |
| 14:32.20 | *** join/#bzflag ruffle_ (~chatzilla@50.95.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 15:02.50 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (revol@ALyon-112-1-4-191.w81-49.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:07.59 | *** join/#bzflag menotume (~meno@menotume.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 15:09.07 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas2901 (~Legolas@ppp-69-230-27-154.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 15:09.28 | Legolas2901 | i know this is off topic but, can some one tell me how to change a topic? |
| 15:10.43 | *** part/#bzflag Legolas2901 (~Legolas@ppp-69-230-27-154.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 15:12.23 | Pimpinella | a lil more patience and i'd have told him... |
| 15:15.10 | uso | :) |
| 15:15.42 | uso | is there an easier way to get the number of available shots other than cycling through the shot slots? |
| 15:34.19 | *** join/#bzflag Birdie (~birdie@d5153C263.access.telenet.be) |
| 16:19.42 | ToughShooter | How would a ATI Radeon 9600 XT perform with BZFlag? I mean especially in complex worlds build out of meshes. |
| 16:20.19 | ToughShooter | Like Lemuria |
| 16:20.28 | ruskie | no clue what that is... |
| 16:21.40 | ToughShooter | ~bzfquery bzflag.sleepycows.us:5162 |
| 16:22.52 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas2901 (~Legolas@ppp-69-230-27-154.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 16:22.57 | ToughShooter | I'm getting 8 FPS only at moment so I'm thinking about buying new hardware |
| 16:23.15 | ToughShooter | ruskie: Got the hint? |
| 16:23.15 | *** topic/#bzflag by Legolas2901 -> Hi |
| 16:23.25 | *** topic/#bzflag by Legolas2901 -> I'm getting 8 FPS only at moment so I'm thinking about buying new hardware |
| 16:23.43 | ToughShooter | Legolas2901: I don't think this is a good idea... |
| 16:23.44 | *** topic/#bzflag by Legolas2901 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/bb/ || http://my.BZFlag.org/ || http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/BZFlag || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/GettingHelp || http://BZFlag.org/wiki/Download || http://bzflag.org/wiki/MapMaking |
| 16:23.58 | Legolas2901 | im just testing sry guys |
| 16:24.41 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~neo@host-84-222-128-93.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 16:26.41 | ToughShooter | Is it that hard to say how an ATI Radeon 9600 XT performs with BZFlag? :o |
| 16:29.20 | ToughShooter | I haven't got the slightest clue how this card would perform compared to my ATI Radeon 7500 Mobile, except I guess the 9600 XT would be better. |
| 16:30.25 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka_ (~Doug@adsl-18-116-248.sdf.bellsouth.net) |
| 16:31.16 | *** part/#bzflag Legolas2901 (~Legolas@ppp-69-230-27-154.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 16:31.25 | *** join/#bzflag JeffM2501 (~jeffm@Patlabor221.active.supporter.pdpc) |
| 16:31.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o JeffM2501] by ChanServ |
| 16:38.08 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~neo@host-84-222-128-93.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 16:39.22 | jpa- | ToughShooter: hummm.. i haven't been yet to see map that would give <40fps with my radeon 9000 at 1600x1200 |
| 16:39.32 | jpa- | ToughShooter: so 9600 should be more than enough |
| 16:41.57 | jpa- | 8fps with _any_ 3d accelator sounds like the drivers aren't working very well |
| 16:45.50 | *** join/#bzflag AA|Lt_Legolas (~u5651017@ppp-69-230-27-154.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 16:45.53 | AA|Lt_Legolas | hi |
| 16:46.02 | *** part/#bzflag AA|Lt_Legolas (~u5651017@ppp-69-230-27-154.dsl.frs2ca.pacbell.net) |
| 17:04.00 | *** join/#bzflag Teppic (~Teppic@cpc1-cbly2-5-0-cust239.glfd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 17:05.30 | *** part/#bzflag ruffle (~chatzilla@50.95.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 17:06.28 | ToughShooter | jpa-: I think it's due it is an ATI Radeon 7500 _Mobile_ |
| 17:06.48 | ToughShooter | s/due/because it is |
| 17:07.33 | jpa- | humm |
| 17:07.41 | jpa- | i think it should be enought |
| 17:07.47 | jpa- | what resolution? |
| 17:08.58 | ToughShooter | 1024 x 768 |
| 17:09.17 | ToughShooter | 16.5 Millions of colors |
| 17:09.31 | jpa- | should work fine |
| 17:09.43 | jpa- | windows or linux? |
| 17:15.17 | *** join/#bzflag spldart (~vircuser@cpe-67-10-221-4.houston.res.rr.com) |
| 17:22.06 | JeffM2501 | 7k's have crapy linux drivers |
| 17:27.02 | ToughShooter | jpa-: Neither |
| 17:27.24 | jpa- | hm? |
| 17:27.38 | ToughShooter | Probably it is also because I only have AGP 2X |
| 17:27.41 | jpa- | there is no other os than windows and linux ,) |
| 17:28.34 | ToughShooter | http://www.apple.com/macosx/ |
| 17:28.41 | jpa- | ah :P |
| 17:29.14 | ToughShooter | However it's my personal performance problem. I'll get a PowerMac for BZFlag only. |
| 17:30.23 | jpa- | lol :) |
| 17:30.26 | jpa- | someone is addicted |
| 17:30.44 | ToughShooter | nWhy do you think that? ;-) |
| 17:31.06 | jpa- | ha :P |
| 17:31.13 | ToughShooter | ~z |
| 17:31.14 | ibot | [z] zaurus |
| 17:31.30 | ToughShooter | Shouldn't be that the admin disease? |
| 17:31.33 | JeffM2501 | 10.3? |
| 17:31.47 | ToughShooter | I meant z instead of n |
| 17:31.51 | JeffM2501 | or is it an iToiletSeat ? |
| 17:32.54 | ToughShooter | 10.3.9 is what I'm running, will upgrade to "Tiger" when 10.4.1 is out |
| 17:33.08 | JeffM2501 | it an ibook? |
| 17:33.22 | ToughShooter | Yup |
| 17:33.35 | JeffM2501 | speed? |
| 17:34.08 | ToughShooter | Fast enough for my serious stuff. PPC750@800MHZ, 640MB RAM |
| 17:34.21 | JeffM2501 | ok so slow |
| 17:34.28 | ToughShooter | PPC750 is also known as "G3" |
| 17:34.34 | JeffM2501 | how many meshes on the map? |
| 17:34.43 | JeffM2501 | I know what is in your ibook :) |
| 17:35.00 | ToughShooter | No idea...much I guess |
| 17:35.13 | ToughShooter | Too lazy to look up. |
| 17:35.19 | JeffM2501 | how much vram does it have? |
| 17:35.26 | ToughShooter | 32 MB |
| 17:35.37 | JeffM2501 | res won't mater that much then |
| 17:35.44 | JeffM2501 | your cpu and bus bound |
| 17:35.52 | ToughShooter | 100MHZ |
| 17:36.01 | JeffM2501 | yup |
| 17:36.11 | JeffM2501 | apple's version of a celleron |
| 17:36.17 | JeffM2501 | way slow bus |
| 17:36.25 | ToughShooter | It's an iBook... |
| 17:36.53 | ToughShooter | PPC750 could use a faster bus than those various G4 models |
| 17:37.08 | uso | jpa-: 1600x1200 at 40 fps at all maps?? somebody give me such a 9000 |
| 17:37.16 | JeffM2501 | there is little dif between a G3 and G4 |
| 17:37.22 | JeffM2501 | they are the same basic speeds |
| 17:37.28 | JeffM2501 | G4 just has altavec |
| 17:37.33 | uso | is there an easier way to get the number of available shots other than cycling through the shot slots? |
| 17:37.35 | JeffM2501 | and it's not used unless app is made for it |
| 17:37.41 | jpa- | uso: virtually all maps, i haven't been on with that computer for some time |
| 17:38.47 | jpa- | atleast i've never been to see it go "jerky" |
| 17:38.59 | uso | my 9200 SHOULD be at the same level, but more than 1024x768 i can not play even on simpler maps :( |
| 17:39.29 | jpa- | hmm.. while now that i think about it, i'm not sure if i have it set at 1280x1024 or 1600x1200 |
| 17:40.03 | uso | 1600x1200 must be nice for aiming and evede shots |
| 17:40.09 | uso | *evade |
| 17:40.19 | jpa- | under windows, for some reason, the drivers do not seem to work very well |
| 17:40.48 | jpa- | (...while they do not under linux either, random hangups) |
| 17:41.26 | jpa- | but in windows, i rarely get over 50fps |
| 17:41.48 | uso | yeah, also have seen this short time freezes since a few days |
| 17:41.59 | uso | never have tried windows |
| 17:42.15 | uso | maybe 9000 is better supported under linux |
| 17:42.41 | uso | than my 9200 |
| 17:43.08 | jpa- | those hangups are not short time.. i can connect with ssh fine and see X taking 100% cpu. i kill x with 9 and computer hangs totally, only reset helps after that |
| 17:43.38 | jpa- | are you using ati drivers or the opensource ones? |
| 17:44.07 | uso | ToughShooter: try to reduce colors, gave my some additional fps |
| 17:44.25 | uso | and using the smaller textures from 1.10 |
| 17:45.49 | uso | jpa-: have you tried loumans camelot? that's over my hardware limits |
| 17:46.29 | uso | no way aiming on the large plane in the center |
| 17:46.54 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I was already aware of SIMD extension |
| 17:49.07 | ToughShooter | uso: I am not. I want to purchase new hardware! That's why I asked how ATI Radeon 9600 XT would perform. |
| 17:49.23 | jpa- | uso: 40fps with my TNT2 at 800x600 :) |
| 17:49.39 | uso | at camelot?? |
| 17:49.43 | JeffM2501 | 9600 isn' horible |
| 17:50.08 | Chestal | I got a 9600XT at home |
| 17:50.14 | jpa- | uso: yes, at camelot |
| 17:50.27 | jpa- | 40fps at most, 30fps at min |
| 17:50.58 | ToughShooter | I would not want to have a card that isn't suited for complex maps. There are better ones out yet but cost more... |
| 17:51.42 | ToughShooter | Chestal: How much FPS on a map like spheres or spiralzone? What about complex mesh ones? |
| 17:52.46 | Chestal | can't say because I never play on those, I can test when I am at home later |
| 17:52.55 | ToughShooter | :) |
| 17:53.04 | uso | Chestal: is a 9600 supported by the xfree drivers? or do i have to use ati drivers for it? |
| 17:53.12 | jpa- | ati drivers |
| 17:53.15 | Chestal | uso: I am using the ati drivers |
| 17:53.19 | uso | darn |
| 17:53.28 | jpa- | they're not that bad |
| 17:53.47 | uso | right, they are really bad ;) |
| 17:54.08 | jpa- | hm, why? |
| 17:54.12 | uso | never ever had such a fragile system as with the ati drivers |
| 17:54.35 | Chestal | no problems here - unless I use bzflag screenshot |
| 17:54.37 | uso | not even my old floppy tape driver has crashed my pc that often |
| 17:54.45 | JeffM2501 | there is an other chipset company :) |
| 17:54.56 | JeffM2501 | that has drivers that support all there chips |
| 17:55.07 | jpa- | i've had more problems with nvidia actually |
| 17:55.35 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, you gonna put this card in a PC or a mac? |
| 17:55.44 | jpa- | while that was just because their new drivers didn't work with TNT2 and old ones do not support 2.6 |
| 17:56.52 | uso | i know JeffM2501 :) |
| 17:57.09 | uso | and the next card would probably be such thing ;) |
| 17:57.15 | jpa- | at the end, only difference is whether you type emerge ati-drivers or emerge nvidia-glx |
| 17:57.37 | jpa- | actually, emerge nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel |
| 17:57.37 | JeffM2501 | and what chipset you have :) |
| 17:57.50 | jpa- | there is more typing for nvidia :/ |
| 17:58.20 | JeffM2501 | awwwwww |
| 17:58.24 | JeffM2501 | poor baby |
| 17:59.36 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I thought about buying a new PowerMac |
| 17:59.58 | JeffM2501 | then you can't ever run the ATI or nvidia drivers in linux |
| 18:00.10 | JeffM2501 | you'll only get decent performance in OSX |
| 18:00.25 | ToughShooter | Why? |
| 18:00.42 | JeffM2501 | ATI and nvidia don't make PPC builds of there drivers |
| 18:01.00 | JeffM2501 | so you'll be stuck with DRI |
| 18:01.03 | JeffM2501 | and DRI sucks |
| 18:01.04 | JeffM2501 | hard |
| 18:01.16 | ToughShooter | If I understood right Apple includes their drivers... |
| 18:01.23 | JeffM2501 | they do |
| 18:01.25 | JeffM2501 | for OSX |
| 18:01.28 | JeffM2501 | but NOT for linux |
| 18:01.41 | JeffM2501 | so if you installed linux then you'd be screwed |
| 18:01.55 | JeffM2501 | just leting you know |
| 18:01.56 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I don't want Linux |
| 18:01.59 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:02.07 | ToughShooter | Only good performance on OS X |
| 18:02.29 | JeffM2501 | well you'll get the only performance on OSX you can get, cus your drivers are at the whim of apple |
| 18:02.43 | JeffM2501 | they seem to do an ok job keeping up |
| 18:02.50 | JeffM2501 | you just pay more per card |
| 18:03.10 | JeffM2501 | my mini seems to run bz fine |
| 18:03.31 | ToughShooter | ..I know about the more paying syndrom |
| 18:03.51 | ToughShooter | How many FPS? |
| 18:03.54 | JeffM2501 | any mac upgrade woudl help you regardless of card |
| 18:03.57 | uso | eeek, even my old laptop with a geforce2go gets between 30 and 40 fps @1024x768 on camelot |
| 18:04.00 | JeffM2501 | cus of your bus increase |
| 18:04.16 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, usualy arount 40-60 |
| 18:04.25 | uso | although playing with the touchpad isn't funny :) |
| 18:04.37 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: G4 only has max 133MHZ system bus connected |
| 18:04.47 | JeffM2501 | not true |
| 18:04.52 | *** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~Daniel_Re@DHCP-170-84.caltech.edu) |
| 18:04.54 | JeffM2501 | 166 DDred up |
| 18:05.03 | ToughShooter | Hmm |
| 18:05.09 | uso | and it's totally blurred on movement, but this is probably the slow lcd |
| 18:05.10 | JeffM2501 | the old G4's just ran at that |
| 18:05.16 | JeffM2501 | the SDRAM ones |
| 18:05.16 | ToughShooter | I guess I'll simply believe |
| 18:05.26 | JeffM2501 | most apple users do |
| 18:05.36 | JeffM2501 | what are you looking at geting? |
| 18:05.56 | JeffM2501 | a G5? |
| 18:05.56 | ToughShooter | 150 FPS on a map like spiralzone |
| 18:07.01 | ToughShooter | Got 13 FPS on camelot |
| 18:07.34 | JeffM2501 | that would be meshes |
| 18:07.39 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Yup |
| 18:07.39 | JeffM2501 | meshes will kill you |
| 18:07.43 | JeffM2501 | and most people |
| 18:07.54 | JeffM2501 | louman is going to find the limit soon |
| 18:08.18 | *** join/#bzflag blast007 (~blast007@24-196-92-143.jvl.wi.charter.com) |
| 18:08.45 | ToughShooter | I wonder what is needed on Camelot to get 100FPS on average |
| 18:09.23 | JeffM2501 | a new engine |
| 18:09.32 | *** join/#bzflag sdref (~ipaq@c529df873.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 18:09.42 | ToughShooter | :o |
| 18:09.48 | JeffM2501 | at that point your not graphic bound |
| 18:10.05 | JeffM2501 | bzflag isn't realy graphic bound past your current midrange cards |
| 18:10.07 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: Did you tried to sign on at camelot a few moments ago? |
| 18:10.10 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 18:10.15 | JeffM2501 | I get 20 fps |
| 18:10.16 | JeffM2501 | it runs ok |
| 18:10.52 | ToughShooter | I don't want all that software lag added |
| 18:11.10 | JeffM2501 | ok |
| 18:11.17 | JeffM2501 | then don't play on complex maps |
| 18:11.17 | ToughShooter | Gives me 50 - 120ms more lag |
| 18:11.46 | JeffM2501 | the more object/meshes in the map the slower the world sort is |
| 18:11.46 | ToughShooter | It's already adding lag on simple maps |
| 18:11.51 | JeffM2501 | transperants REALY slow it down |
| 18:11.59 | JeffM2501 | and that has nothing to do with graphic cards |
| 18:12.13 | JeffM2501 | well yeah your on a little ibook |
| 18:12.16 | JeffM2501 | it's doing the best it can |
| 18:12.40 | JeffM2501 | let me see how my main does |
| 18:12.52 | ToughShooter | ~x de en Lüfter |
| 18:13.10 | ToughShooter | Yup, I'm hearing the exhaust often :( |
| 18:13.24 | JeffM2501 | get are real computer |
| 18:13.52 | uso | that would be expensive ;) |
| 18:13.54 | ToughShooter | Is a PowerMac a real computer? |
| 18:13.56 | JeffM2501 | yay CVS dosn't build on windows anymore |
| 18:14.01 | JeffM2501 | ya for Tupone |
| 18:14.08 | Tupone | great |
| 18:14.18 | Tupone | I was able to break :) |
| 18:14.18 | JeffM2501 | you can't include winsock 2x |
| 18:14.28 | DTRemenak | heh. worked last night :) |
| 18:14.36 | JeffM2501 | just got fresh |
| 18:14.47 | JeffM2501 | fd_set redefined |
| 18:14.52 | JeffM2501 | from URL manager |
| 18:14.53 | Tupone | I did something yesterday? I did not IIRC |
| 18:15.03 | JeffM2501 | ohh I dono if you did it |
| 18:15.06 | JeffM2501 | I was just joking :) |
| 18:15.17 | Tupone | if is fd_set prolly is me |
| 18:15.21 | JeffM2501 | let me make clean |
| 18:15.21 | uso | lol, "doesn't build" trigger, devs are jumping in :) |
| 18:15.40 | Chestal | anyone tested with gcc 4 yet? |
| 18:16.24 | uso | as so much devs are here i can ask my question again ;) |
| 18:16.38 | uso | is there an easier way to get the number of available shots other than cycling through the shot slots? |
| 18:16.42 | DTRemenak | Chestal, apparently some apple dev did. brlcad committed some little gcc-4 patch from apple. |
| 18:17.16 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~neo@host-84-222-128-93.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 18:17.21 | DTRemenak | uso, nope |
| 18:17.27 | DTRemenak | well, I dunno |
| 18:17.38 | DTRemenak | probably yes |
| 18:17.45 | uso | :) |
| 18:18.41 | JeffM2501 | yup, it's bad on a clean checkout and build |
| 18:19.12 | uso | wanna add it to the "Ready" message, like "Ready 2/3" |
| 18:19.33 | uso | as i mostly not need the full functionallity of the reload timer |
| 18:19.41 | DTRemenak | no, there's not in the headers. |
| 18:24.28 | JeffM2501 | ToughShooter, I get 36 fps on camelot in debug on my main PC |
| 18:24.39 | JeffM2501 | so it's realy just at the limit of what the software can do |
| 18:24.53 | JeffM2501 | not graphics |
| 18:27.26 | *** join/#bzflag _Manu_ (~jujibo@98.Red-80-36-59.pooles.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:45.53 | uso | it even gets not faster down to 400x300, seems to limit otherwise |
| 18:46.11 | jpa- | humm.. what kind of fps? |
| 18:46.12 | uso | but it really looks ugly with 400x300 :) |
| 18:46.17 | jpa- | maybe it is vsync? |
| 18:46.18 | uso | between 30 and 40 |
| 18:46.26 | jpa- | at 400x300 it looks like doom :) |
| 18:46.30 | uso | no :) |
| 18:46.39 | *** join/#bzflag CBG (~CannonBal@cpc3-stme1-5-0-cust91.cdif.cable.ntl.com) |
| 18:46.40 | DTRemenak | might be cpu-bound around the radar. try turning radar off. |
| 18:46.45 | jpa- | oh yes, 400x300 _with_ nearest texturing |
| 18:46.51 | uso | lol |
| 18:46.51 | jpa- | then it looks like doom |
| 18:47.14 | uso | i'm afraid it's cpu limited |
| 18:47.36 | jpa- | yup |
| 18:47.39 | jpa- | radar is nasty |
| 18:47.46 | DTRemenak | uso, better yet, run it with oprofile and see what exactly is pushing the edges |
| 18:47.56 | jpa- | please code a no-evil-gl-radar for us.. please |
| 18:51.29 | JeffM2501 | it's in there |
| 18:51.32 | JeffM2501 | it's called "off" |
| 18:51.55 | uso | oha, indeed this time the radar is the sucker, no matter which mode :( |
| 18:52.13 | JeffM2501 | it has a lot of faces to draw |
| 18:52.15 | DTRemenak | toldjaso |
| 18:52.19 | uso | without radar and messages i get between 60 and 110 fps |
| 18:53.01 | uso | oprofile? profiler? |
| 18:53.11 | uso | never used such a beast before :) |
| 18:53.30 | DTRemenak | not hard to use |
| 18:54.01 | uso | lol @ JeffM2501 |
| 18:54.28 | uso | does bzflag have build support for it? |
| 18:54.48 | DTRemenak | that's the best part, it doesn't need a rebuild |
| 18:54.56 | DTRemenak | long as you have built in debug mode |
| 18:55.03 | uso | no :) |
| 18:55.06 | DTRemenak | otherwise you don't get symbols :) |
| 18:55.32 | DTRemenak | it will still run the profiler, but you'll just have hex addresses instead of function names.... |
| 18:55.57 | uso | i know, like debugging without symbols |
| 18:56.01 | jpa- | .. and when you see what is lagging, evil DTRemenak will force you to fix it |
| 18:56.08 | uso | oprofile - system-wide profiler for Linux systems |
| 18:56.12 | uso | this one? |
| 18:56.12 | jpa- | sorry, shouldn't have told that |
| 18:56.15 | DTRemenak | jpa- is so perceptiv |
| 18:56.18 | DTRemenak | uso, yeah |
| 18:57.56 | uso | jpa-: no, if you point DTRemenak nicely to it, it's nearly magically self-fixing ;) |
| 18:58.36 | DTRemenak | it's only magic if it's code I wrote in the first place :) |
| 18:58.54 | jpa- | uso: if you think so, and "< DTRemenak> not hard to use" is true, why hadn't he done it already? |
| 18:58.58 | DTRemenak | otherwise I might look at it and just go "wtf?" |
| 18:59.20 | DTRemenak | jpa-, because kernel 2.6 is b0rken for me |
| 19:00.27 | jpa- | humm |
| 19:00.33 | jpa- | that doesn't explain anything |
| 19:00.46 | DTRemenak | yes it does |
| 19:01.00 | *** join/#bzflag elwin (1000@dialup-4.224.96.186.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) |
| 19:01.13 | DTRemenak | oprofile is a kernel-level profiler. it only "kinda" supports kernel 2.4. |
| 19:01.19 | elwin | I have a mapmaking question... |
| 19:01.36 | *** join/#bzflag Guest039 (~3eb26b18@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 19:02.01 | jpa- | so if it supports 2.4, and you can't use 2.6, what is problem? :) |
| 19:02.06 | DTRemenak | elwin, and I have an answer. wanna get together? |
| 19:02.09 | jpa- | elwin: ask |
| 19:02.28 | DTRemenak | jpa-, you did catch that "kinda", right? :) |
| 19:02.36 | elwin | I am playing around with the spin angle option and am getting some really weird effects |
| 19:02.49 | elwin | the ground under the objects "moves" |
| 19:03.04 | jpa- | DTRemenak: actually, that is the part i didn't understand and i read "it only supports kernel 2.4" :P |
| 19:03.11 | elwin | and the relationship of the spun object to unspun objects shifts |
| 19:03.18 | *** join/#bzflag rabbit25 (~rabbit25@pcp03852369pcs.martnz01.ga.comcast.net) |
| 19:03.21 | jpa- | aha |
| 19:03.26 | DTRemenak | elwin, there's a nifty bug in the spin code |
| 19:03.37 | jpa- | http://www.kapsi.fi/~jpa/stuff/bzw/ |
| 19:03.42 | elwin | ahhh |
| 19:03.47 | jpa- | or would he be spinning after shift? |
| 19:03.53 | jpa- | DTRemenak: what kind of a bug? |
| 19:04.00 | jpa- | DTRemenak: the ToughShooter one? |
| 19:04.09 | DTRemenak | jpa-, it's detailed in BUGS. |
| 19:04.16 | Guest039 | hi bzflagers :) |
| 19:04.21 | DTRemenak | can't be fixed until protocol break |
| 19:04.22 | elwin | nope, no spin after shift..but it took me forever to realize things were being spun around the major axis instead of the object axis |
| 19:05.02 | trepan | DTRemenak: hehe... |
| 19:05.04 | elwin | If I spin around z, everything is fine, only in x and y |
| 19:05.15 | DTRemenak | elwin, switch x and y :) |
| 19:05.32 | elwin | I am only spining around one axis. |
| 19:05.35 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 19:05.43 | DTRemenak | so if you want to spin around x, tell it to spin around y |
| 19:06.05 | DTRemenak | toldja it was nifty |
| 19:06.27 | elwin | what happens if you spin around both axis at once? |
| 19:06.35 | *** join/#bzflag Teppic (~Teppic@cpc1-cbly2-5-0-cust239.glfd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:06.38 | elwin | maybe I misunderstand the command |
| 19:06.53 | elwin | the last three numbers are just either one or zero, right? |
| 19:07.02 | jpa- | did you check the link i pasted? |
| 19:07.04 | DTRemenak | then you switch them. basically it's implemented "spin y x z" instead of "spin x y z" |
| 19:07.11 | jpa- | they define a axis it spins around.. |
| 19:07.13 | elwin | ahhh |
| 19:07.32 | DTRemenak | they don't have to be 1 or 0 |
| 19:07.40 | DTRemenak | you could spin around 2 1 0 for instance |
| 19:08.22 | *** join/#bzflag bz6773 (~44542ca7@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 19:08.32 | bz6773 | Hey all |
| 19:08.39 | DTRemenak | hello bz6773 |
| 19:08.50 | bz6773 | What's the difference between a gameboy advance and a gameboy advance sp besides the shape of the consol |
| 19:09.01 | DTRemenak | this is #bzflag, not #gameboy |
| 19:09.02 | bz6773 | I konw this isn't a nintendo fanboy chatroom |
| 19:09.07 | bz6773 | I know |
| 19:09.16 | jpa- | use google |
| 19:09.23 | bz6773 | *sigh |
| 19:09.25 | bz6773 | I forgot |
| 19:09.27 | bz6773 | thank you |
| 19:10.12 | jpa- | someone forgots google? |
| 19:10.18 | jpa- | wow people have bad memory! |
| 19:13.33 | rabbit25 | is it possible to make a bzflag map in a 3d imagemaker like Wings 3d? |
| 19:14.01 | DTRemenak | kinda |
| 19:15.28 | jpa- | gnight people |
| 19:15.38 | DTRemenak | night jpa |
| 19:15.45 | jpa- | wow \o/ |
| 19:15.55 | jpa- | DTRemenak wished me night, now i'm happy :) |
| 19:16.01 | rabbit25 | DTRemenack: how? |
| 19:16.12 | rabbit25 | DTRemenak: how? |
| 19:16.28 | DTRemenak | rabbit25, use your favorite model editor, save it as an .obj, use the modeltool to convert the obj to a bzw |
| 19:16.33 | jpa- | wings -> obj -> modeltool -> bzw |
| 19:16.44 | rabbit25 | ok |
| 19:16.48 | rabbit25 | thanx |
| 19:16.52 | rabbit25 | i ll try it |
| 19:16.59 | trepan | there's also a wings3d plugin that almost done |
| 19:17.03 | jpa- | modeltool comes in bzflag package |
| 19:17.03 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 19:18.44 | rabbit25 | how do i access modeltool? |
| 19:19.12 | rabbit25 | nvm |
| 19:19.23 | rabbit25 | i was being ignorant |
| 19:19.25 | rabbit25 | i think |
| 19:20.50 | JeffM2501 | it's a command line app |
| 19:20.54 | *** join/#bzflag Sgeo (~Sgeo@ool-182e9882.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 19:21.27 | trepan | JeffM2501: that power.obj from milkshape was tailored to throw blender and wings for a loop =) |
| 19:22.22 | trepan | its repeated vertices destroy any connectivity info, milkshape have some sort of "cleanup" or "merge vertices" type functionality? |
| 19:23.53 | rabbit25 | hmm |
| 19:24.01 | JeffM2501 | realy? |
| 19:24.04 | rabbit25 | i still cant find modeltool |
| 19:24.20 | JeffM2501 | model tool isn't build with the package |
| 19:24.22 | JeffM2501 | what OS are you on? |
| 19:24.47 | rabbit25 | os x |
| 19:24.52 | rabbit25 | 10.3 |
| 19:24.59 | JeffM2501 | trepan, wierd, it was a conversion grumber did from a STL from our solid modeler at work |
| 19:25.08 | JeffM2501 | rabbit25, then you are screwed |
| 19:25.09 | trepan | JeffM2501: yup, try sorting the file and watch all the repeated 'v X Y Z's pop out |
| 19:25.15 | JeffM2501 | model tool will not build on OSX at this time |
| 19:25.19 | rabbit25 | o |
| 19:25.32 | JeffM2501 | trepan, wonder if that was from the STL |
| 19:25.40 | rabbit25 | can i send the file to someone w/ windows and get them to convert it? |
| 19:25.47 | *** join/#bzflag elwin (1000@dialup-4.225.2.4.Dial1.Cincinnati1.Level3.net) |
| 19:25.57 | JeffM2501 | I don, can you? :) |
| 19:26.17 | rabbit25 | hmmph |
| 19:26.33 | rabbit25 | would it work |
| 19:26.34 | rabbit25 | ? |
| 19:26.36 | JeffM2501 | I'm sure there are many who can convert it for you |
| 19:26.38 | JeffM2501 | ohh sure |
| 19:26.41 | rabbit25 | ok |
| 19:26.43 | rabbit25 | good |
| 19:26.47 | JeffM2501 | I was making a joke |
| 19:26.52 | rabbit25 | i know |
| 19:26.57 | rabbit25 | an annoyinng one... |
| 19:27.10 | JeffM2501 | awwww |
| 19:27.28 | JeffM2501 | you could allways help figure out the build problem |
| 19:27.32 | rabbit25 | maybe its because ive heard it about 100 times... |
| 19:27.56 | JeffM2501 | I'm sorry my whit isn't up to your standards |
| 19:30.29 | Chestal | hmm, ToughShooter is gone |
| 19:32.13 | trepan | rabbit25: http://trepan.homelinux.net/e3d_bzw.beam |
| 19:32.17 | trepan | rabbit25: http://trepan.homelinux.net/wpc_bzw.beam |
| 19:32.22 | rabbit25 | ok |
| 19:32.35 | trepan | grab those 2 files, stick the e3d_bzw.beam into wings' ebin dir |
| 19:32.46 | trepan | and then import the wpc_bzw.beam file |
| 19:33.02 | trepan | (file -> import plugin) that is |
| 19:33.11 | rabbit25 | i read that site as type, not files |
| 19:33.16 | rabbit25 | *code |
| 19:34.06 | rabbit25 | *code, not type |
| 19:34.06 | JeffM2501 | just save them |
| 19:34.06 | JeffM2501 | bzflag maps are text |
| 19:34.06 | rabbit25 | ok |
| 19:34.22 | rabbit25 | ? |
| 19:34.25 | rabbit25 | save them? |
| 19:34.27 | rabbit25 | how? |
| 19:34.33 | rabbit25 | textedit? |
| 19:34.38 | JeffM2501 | with your browser |
| 19:34.38 | rabbit25 | scripteditor? |
| 19:34.47 | JeffM2501 | file |
| 19:34.48 | JeffM2501 | save as |
| 19:34.51 | rabbit25 | ok |
| 19:34.52 | JeffM2501 | wow |
| 19:35.07 | JeffM2501 | tho I se tehy are beam files no bzw |
| 19:35.17 | JeffM2501 | they may not be text |
| 19:35.32 | rabbit25 | should i have .txt on the end? |
| 19:35.36 | rabbit25 | or .beam |
| 19:35.48 | trepan | beam files are Erlang OS independant binaries, a la java |
| 19:35.55 | rabbit25 | i know |
| 19:36.06 | rabbit25 | so should it be txt or beam |
| 19:36.08 | rabbit25 | ? |
| 19:36.13 | rabbit25 | it gives me a choice |
| 19:36.32 | rabbit25 | i choose .beam |
| 19:39.22 | rabbit25 | i installed the plugin |
| 19:39.50 | rabbit25 | aa |
| 19:39.56 | rabbit25 | thank you muchly |
| 19:40.05 | rabbit25 | now i can save as .bzw :) |
| 19:41.44 | rabbit25 | nvm... |
| 19:41.58 | rabbit25 | i wont let me export as bzw |
| 19:42.13 | rabbit25 | at least i cant find where its exporting |
| 19:42.20 | rabbit25 | hmm |
| 19:42.30 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901|away (brad2901@ACC89A81.ipt.aol.com) |
| 19:42.44 | uso | DTRemenak: unsupported kernel version :( |
| 19:42.59 | DTRemenak | uso, what kernel? |
| 19:43.02 | uso | oprofiler does not run without the kernel module, does it? |
| 19:43.07 | uso | 2.6.11.7 |
| 19:43.13 | DTRemenak | no, it needs the module |
| 19:51.34 | *** join/#bzflag Teppic (~Teppic@cpc1-cbly2-5-0-cust239.glfd.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:51.38 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD74CEE.ipt.aol.com) |
| 20:40.54 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACD84A52.ipt.aol.com) |
| 20:57.13 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@host-84-222-136-134.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 20:58.21 | Death_Barrel | whats the config option in bzfs for 10 rougues and 6 observers only ? |
| 21:00.08 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901 (brad2901@ACBCC0FC.ipt.aol.com) |
| 21:01.04 | spldart | ehh... -mp 10,0,0,0,0,6 ??? |
| 21:01.06 | *** join/#bzflag RedBaron2 (~45f06abf@genesis.concept69.de) |
| 21:01.18 | Death_Barrel | would you have to turn bases off also? |
| 21:01.30 | Death_Barrel | we making a rogue only ducati style server |
| 21:01.42 | spldart | No teams.. I guess I would but never tried it otherwise |
| 21:02.03 | spldart | I assume the base could exist but no team flags would appear |
| 21:03.17 | Death_Barrel | whats the command to turn off teams? |
| 21:04.03 | spldart | get rid of -c for free for all |
| 21:06.42 | spldart | I'd say if you are using a map with bases in it just # every line making a base so as to avoid in map confusion about bases.. Unless you got other plans. |
| 21:14.36 | Tupone | base -> box on non ctf |
| 21:14.47 | Tupone | automatically |
| 21:18.07 | *** join/#bzflag Sgeo_2 (~Sgeo@ool-182e9882.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:23.04 | *** join/#bzflag rabbit25 (~rabbit25@pcp03852369pcs.martnz01.ga.comcast.net) |
| 21:23.10 | *** join/#bzflag Sgeo_3_ (~Sgeo@ool-182e9882.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 21:38.21 | *** join/#bzflag Sgeo (~Sgeo@ool-182e9882.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:01.01 | trepan | Tupone: preferred the texture downloading the way it was before |
| 22:01.19 | Tupone | in what way? |
| 22:01.24 | trepan | you didn't have a scene regeneration in the middle of playing (once the d/ls are finished) |
| 22:01.45 | Tupone | ohh, we can add it |
| 22:02.28 | trepan | load 'em all up (with the download status display, and possiblility to abort), then join |
| 22:03.00 | Tupone | why that? It is different from what you said before |
| 22:03.17 | Tupone | and how do you abort? |
| 22:03.25 | trepan | used to be ESC |
| 22:04.02 | Tupone | don't ask me to put back signal :) |
| 22:07.28 | trepan | not only is there the scene regeneration, but if you're playing while the textures are downloading, your lag/jitter may be horrible |
| 22:07.58 | Tupone | and if you ask reloading those, by hand? |
| 22:08.27 | trepan | that should be a rare case, i'm more concerned about the default |
| 22:08.31 | Tupone | it was already foressen, if I understood the code |
| 22:09.05 | Tupone | ok, we could delay the enter |
| 22:09.34 | trepan | and displaying the % is nice feedback for the user |
| 22:09.55 | trepan | (kinda like mirrors near/in elevators) |
| 22:10.32 | Tupone | ok, we could do that too |
| 22:10.46 | trepan | heh |
| 22:10.59 | trepan | that's why i was a little disappointed with the way that you rewrote the code |
| 22:11.24 | Tupone | I like the way it is now. I didn't liked the way it was before |
| 22:11.26 | trepan | just have to convert the d/l to use an async d/l call, and leave the rest pretty much the same |
| 22:12.10 | Tupone | but the use interface is important too I think |
| 22:12.48 | Tupone | s/use/user/ |
| 22:13.34 | trepan | i leave it in your capable hands ;-) |
| 22:13.57 | Tupone | well, I want to share, don't want to keep all the merit to me ;-) |
| 22:14.33 | trepan | heh, it was working fine for me before, this mod is all yours |
| 22:14.54 | Tupone | not it was not, my computer was locking a lot of time |
| 22:15.14 | trepan | _for me_ |
| 22:15.36 | Tupone | yeah, I missed that |
| 22:16.06 | Tupone | :) |
| 23:20.51 | uso | DTRemenak: if you wanna have a look at profiling for camelot: http://pastebin.ca/10232 |
| 23:24.23 | *** join/#bzflag brad2901_ (brad2901@ACBCC0FC.ipt.aol.com) |
| 23:27.47 | JeffM2501 | trepan, I think I figured out how that obj file got jacked up |
| 23:27.53 | JeffM2501 | came from an STL |
| 23:27.57 | JeffM2501 | and STL isn't indexed |
| 23:28.07 | JeffM2501 | and blender didn't index it on import |
| 23:33.41 | *** join/#bzflag sommertimer3 (Ho6nXEhr@pool-70-107-74-126.ny325.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:43.19 | *** join/#bzflag wegstar (~foo@wegstar.user.allegro) |
| 23:54.59 | *** join/#bzflag doc4897 (~18f51cb5@webchat.bzflag.bz) |
| 23:56.14 | doc4897 | I am having trouble setting up a game on my home network. I am using a Linksys router and I think the firewall is tripping me up. Any suggestions? |
| 23:56.49 | Tupone | rtfd :) |
| 23:57.02 | Tupone | I mean, you read the linksys manual ? |
| 23:57.13 | Tupone | You probably need to nat some port |
| 23:57.48 | doc4897 | I am assuming that. I just didn't know which port. I was hoping that someone had already done it and could share with me how. |
| 23:58.29 | Tupone | when you start your server you have to specify a port, if not it take 5154 |
| 23:58.45 | Tupone | if that is, you need to route tcp and udp of this port |
| 23:59.10 | doc4897 | ok. I had just done UDP but I will add TCP. |
| 23:59.57 | Tupone | tcp is used by listserver, and it is necessary, udp is just better but not mandatory |