| 00:00.23 | me1 | bye bye |
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| 00:01.20 | spldart | Sounds like I'm getting over my head on some of this :( |
| 00:06.59 | BearPerson | I think I may have dug up where our "stale slots" come from and how to (maybe) fix them |
| 00:12.47 | BearPerson | can anyone give me a quick command line to start a bzfs server? |
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| 00:17.11 | brlcad | hrm, time to start working on those taxes I think |
| 00:17.56 | spldart | :eek: |
| 00:18.14 | purple_cow | hehe |
| 00:23.39 | spldart | How much room should I allow a base? |
| 00:25.15 | brlcad | all your base are belong to irs |
| 00:25.49 | *** part/#bzflag rabbit25 (~rabbit25@pcp03852369pcs.martnz01.ga.comcast.net) |
| 00:29.55 | spldart | Irs payed my bases 2 months ago ;) |
| 00:43.04 | spldart | time to test my frame for the hockey table |
| 00:46.00 | spldart | Command for modfiying friction in map? And recommended value for some sliperynesss |
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| 00:47.29 | spldart | _friction 1 ? |
| 01:01.29 | spldart | girr |
| 01:02.43 | spldart | I plugged -friction 2 in my .conf file and it spuked out an error message |
| 01:03.18 | brad2901 | have you tryed -set _friction 2 ? |
| 01:07.00 | spldart | How should I format it for my world file? |
| 01:10.45 | wegstar | ? |
| 01:14.49 | spldart | lemme try the -set _friction 2 in my .bzw file... BTW the map is coming along and I can see already that laser is useless :eek: |
| 01:18.04 | wegstar | o |
| 01:19.27 | spldart | ok. -set _friction 2 didn't work in my map file |
| 01:19.34 | spldart | or should I try that in my conf... |
| 01:19.47 | spldart | BTW,,, I did some experimenting and I want to set it to 1 |
| 01:19.48 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:21.19 | brad2901 | spldart, did you do something like: |
| 01:21.21 | brad2901 | options |
| 01:21.21 | brad2901 | -set _friction 1 |
| 01:21.21 | brad2901 | end |
| 01:22.35 | spldart | ok.... |
| 01:22.44 | spldart | I got it to work in the .conf |
| 01:22.55 | spldart | It's slippery but managable |
| 01:22.56 | spldart | hehe |
| 01:23.05 | spldart | thanks |
| 01:23.09 | brad2901 | :) |
| 01:23.18 | spldart | How would I 'paint the bricks white? |
| 01:24.00 | brad2901 | it needs to be a mesh box |
| 01:24.09 | spldart | oopsy |
| 01:24.18 | spldart | All my boxes making the playing field are simple |
| 01:24.25 | spldart | so they appear brick of course |
| 01:25.29 | spldart | Congradulations :) |
| 01:26.08 | brlcad | commercial electronic filing on-line is really cool |
| 01:28.36 | brlcad | used to take me the better part of a day to get through all the forms I usually have to fill out |
| 01:29.08 | spldart | Basically just a shell http://spldart.bakadigital.com:92/astart.png |
| 01:29.14 | brlcad | i'm looking at about a half hour since I found my papers |
| 01:30.02 | spldart | oooOOooo takeout chinese is here :) |
| 01:30.09 | brad2901 | spldart, do you want a white mesh box floor? |
| 01:30.32 | spldart | white sides and a floor that I can assing a png of my choosing |
| 01:30.41 | brad2901 | mmm |
| 01:30.59 | brad2901 | for the white floor: |
| 01:31.06 | brad2901 | material |
| 01:31.06 | brad2901 | name floor |
| 01:31.06 | brad2901 | diffuse 1 1 1 1 |
| 01:31.06 | brad2901 | end |
| 01:31.06 | brad2901 | meshbox |
| 01:31.07 | brad2901 | position 0 0 0 |
| 01:31.11 | brad2901 | size 400 200 1 |
| 01:31.13 | brad2901 | matref floor |
| 01:31.15 | brad2901 | end |
| 01:31.18 | brad2901 | something like that should work |
| 01:32.31 | brad2901 | if you want a texture, change the 'diffuse' line to: |
| 01:32.41 | brad2901 | addtexture yourtexture.png |
| 01:38.30 | purple_cow | TimRiker: you collect more crap... |
| 01:38.46 | spldart | oooOOOooo... Sweet! |
| 01:39.08 | spldart | Can I apply that to a box somehow? |
| 01:39.44 | brad2901 | to a normal box? no.. |
| 01:39.58 | spldart | :( |
| 01:40.01 | brad2901 | :P |
| 01:40.23 | brad2901 | they are easy to change into mesh boxes though |
| 01:40.43 | spldart | :) |
| 01:42.07 | TimRiker | purple_cow: heh. alas, tis true. |
| 01:42.25 | brad2901 | spldart, just change 'box' to 'meshbox' |
| 01:42.35 | brad2901 | and add a matref line |
| 01:42.39 | spldart | Really? That easy? |
| 01:42.41 | brad2901 | yes |
| 01:42.53 | spldart | what does the matref define again? |
| 01:42.56 | brad2901 | matref floor |
| 01:43.06 | brad2901 | it defines which material |
| 01:43.10 | brad2901 | I think :) |
| 01:43.17 | purple_cow | TimRiker: did you ever do anything with that ATM you bought? |
| 01:43.37 | brad2901 | nobody in here is saying otherwise so it must be correct :) |
| 01:48.15 | spldart | lol |
| 01:50.01 | spldart | The floor will be a png |
| 01:50.09 | spldart | hrm |
| 01:50.12 | spldart | Gotta find one |
| 01:54.36 | cosmos | http://www.swornenemy.org/index.php/new/2005/04/14/more_college_craziness#comments |
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| 02:01.47 | brlcad | ahh, dang no wonder |
| 02:02.00 | brlcad | jumped a agi tax bracket |
| 02:04.59 | Mayhem_ | sounds painful ;) |
| 02:05.11 | brlcad | heya mayhem :) |
| 02:05.20 | brlcad | how goes it down under? :) |
| 02:05.21 | Mayhem_ | hey learner :) |
| 02:05.32 | Mayhem_ | it goes the same... |
| 02:05.59 | Mayhem_ | you folks are still hard at work on ol' bz it seems ;) |
| 02:06.24 | brlcad | some less than others .. :) |
| 02:06.34 | Mayhem_ | I'm having an 'inspired to hack on bz' moment :) |
| 02:06.36 | Mayhem_ | heh |
| 02:07.00 | brlcad | ahh, inspiration is better than perspiration |
| 02:07.10 | Mayhem_ | how hard would it be to implement sorting by ping in the server list, do you think? |
| 02:07.40 | brlcad | heh, depends on one's measure of difficulty :) |
| 02:07.46 | Mayhem_ | heh |
| 02:07.50 | brlcad | not too hard |
| 02:07.58 | Mayhem_ | depends on who's gonna be doing the perspiring ;) |
| 02:08.10 | brlcad | need some means to sort them cleanly, like a generic sorting class |
| 02:08.24 | brlcad | then changes to the gui to allow sorting of various columns |
| 02:08.41 | brlcad | few days fun |
| 02:08.55 | Mayhem_ | no really big bits though |
| 02:09.27 | brlcad | not really |
| 02:09.40 | brlcad | the hardest part would be some means to passively query the server ping times |
| 02:10.23 | orange | brlcad wants that generic sorting class :-) |
| 02:10.41 | brlcad | it'd be useful for many things if done right :) |
| 02:10.46 | Mayhem_ | I need to refresh my knowledge of how the list server works |
| 02:11.01 | brlcad | shouldn't have to deal with the list server other than what the menu already does |
| 02:11.05 | orange | I want to increase the quality of cheat detection |
| 02:11.21 | brlcad | you'll probably want to attach to ping each server directly |
| 02:11.26 | Mayhem_ | I want to know who convinced bzgirl to start hacking on bz |
| 02:11.35 | orange | I proposed an idea last night that, other than fighting lag to some degree, seems like it it might have merit (to me :-) |
| 02:11.38 | brlcad | maybe even use a real icmp ping |
| 02:12.08 | brlcad | bzg's been doing great |
| 02:12.19 | brlcad | learning C during the whole process |
| 02:12.31 | orange | basically have the server assign randomly to various players (those whose lag is not unreasonable) the chore of watching other clients |
| 02:12.51 | orange | no user interaction at all |
| 02:13.08 | orange | just that one client could do hit detection and such for themselves and another client |
| 02:13.16 | orange | if they find a problem they report it back |
| 02:13.28 | brlcad | hmm? |
| 02:13.33 | orange | then the server assigns that player to another player to watch |
| 02:13.34 | Mayhem_ | whats the ETA for the server doing hit detection? |
| 02:13.44 | orange | if enough players report a problem, there is a likely cheat |
| 02:13.47 | brlcad | orange: why not just have the server watch everyone? |
| 02:14.05 | brlcad | Mayhem_: hopefully next major update, but that's not even started yet |
| 02:14.09 | orange | brlcad: I thought there was resistance to doing that because of the CPU requirements |
| 02:14.18 | brlcad | bah, no such resistance |
| 02:14.18 | orange | clearly that's better |
| 02:14.34 | brlcad | optimizing a problem that doesn't exist yet |
| 02:14.36 | Mayhem_ | I think the main resistance was how it would change the feel |
| 02:15.09 | brlcad | moving shot detection to server-side wreaks havoc on the dead-reckoning |
| 02:15.15 | Mayhem_ | but I'd like to be able to play on ducati without having to lead tanks by 0.5 seconds |
| 02:15.46 | brlcad | moving to server both helps and hurts that |
| 02:16.06 | Mayhem_ | how does it affect the dead reckoning? |
| 02:16.08 | brlcad | it requires a client-side change in logic to reduce the hurtage |
| 02:16.14 | orange | what if the client kept doing their own shot detection, but the server just checked up on people |
| 02:16.44 | Mayhem_ | orange, its no good both doing it, because if the don't match, what then? |
| 02:17.13 | orange | see if the difference can be attributed to lag |
| 02:17.14 | brlcad | that would be the idea, clients would send an I_Died message of some sort .. server would relay that to others |
| 02:17.20 | spldart | Sweet. My boxes are meshboxes and I applied the tetrawall.jpg to them :) |
| 02:17.26 | brlcad | server can watch for folks not sending, and "correct" the situation |
| 02:17.29 | orange | if it cannot, nuke the player until he glows |
| 02:18.47 | brlcad | most of the better DR papers I've read have all the clients ever so slightly lagged from the server's game state (which we currently do not do) |
| 02:19.01 | brlcad | say 25 or 50ms |
| 02:19.24 | Mayhem_ | what does that gain? |
| 02:19.34 | Mayhem_ | compensation for the lag? |
| 02:19.40 | brlcad | which means you could no longer be able to get a lag of 15 on your own server, but that reduces someone with 200ms lag to 150ms (and 100ms to 50ms for example) |
| 02:20.22 | brlcad | it's more complicated to implement, but what some of the best do to balance/reduce the lag effect |
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| 02:20.58 | brlcad | the idea is that most players are not going to be very very close to the server, so delaying them by some small amount won't affect 99% of players |
| 02:21.08 | Mayhem_ | just moving it server side would be an improvement, and make it more consistent, as you'd only have to compensate for your *own* lag |
| 02:22.12 | Mayhem_ | brlcad, I often play bz on a LAN, I'd hate to have artifical lag added :) |
| 02:22.38 | brlcad | it would have to be server-side toggleable |
| 02:22.42 | spldart | If I use a .png for my map that is not in the data folder I would have to host it to then reference it correct? |
| 02:22.57 | brlcad | ideally it'd actually be dynamically computed depending on who's actually on the server and their lag |
| 02:23.28 | brad2901 | spldart, yes |
| 02:23.34 | Mayhem_ | any links to informative papers on this topic? |
| 02:23.48 | brlcad | so if everyone was 100-400, you could delay clients about 75ms to reduce the average to about 25 to 325 (which would feel like night and day) |
| 02:23.54 | spldart | And my meshbox floor would then stretch or tile this new .png texture? |
| 02:24.15 | brad2901 | it should stretch it |
| 02:24.27 | spldart | sweet |
| 02:24.33 | brlcad | Mayhem_: here's a few http://db.brlcad.org/tmp/dead-reckoning/ |
| 02:24.45 | spldart | Good god O've learned alot this last week about linux and map making |
| 02:24.50 | brlcad | some better than others, some almost useless |
| 02:24.54 | brad2901 | heh |
| 02:25.35 | orange | spldart: did you install sudo yet? |
| 02:25.49 | spldart | What dimensions would you think I should use for a .png that has the zones marked for a standard air hockey table... Close to the actual dimensions of the floor in the map or much smaller to save space |
| 02:26.01 | spldart | Orange: No |
| 02:26.16 | spldart | I had a epiphany for a map ;) |
| 02:27.13 | brad2901 | spldart: just experiment and see what happens :) |
| 02:27.18 | spldart | ok |
| 02:27.42 | spldart | My wife is great with photoshop so I'll give her an idea of what I want and have her work it up to a nice .png |
| 02:28.16 | spldart | in the addtexture line.. Does it require an entire valid url? |
| 02:28.20 | Mayhem_ | omg, someone actually wrote a paper on cheat prevention in BZFlag. Go Aussie! |
| 02:28.44 | spldart | http://spld..blah blah :92/myfloor.png |
| 02:29.08 | brad2901 | if you want other people to download the textures aswell, then yes |
| 02:29.20 | spldart | Kew |
| 02:29.21 | brad2901 | (if I understood correctly) |
| 02:29.27 | spldart | methinks :) |
| 02:29.44 | brlcad | Mayhem_: hehe |
| 02:30.41 | BearPerson | cheat prevention: Make a big fat server doing all the physics and delay all actions so they arrive at all clients before they have to get executed |
| 02:30.54 | BearPerson | no cheating, no lagging |
| 02:31.06 | BearPerson | just controls sluggish by 1 second or so |
| 02:32.25 | BearPerson | ;-) |
| 02:32.32 | Mayhem_ | very practical :) |
| 02:35.01 | BearPerson | I know :) |
| 02:35.28 | Mayhem_ | turn-based bzflag... |
| 02:35.40 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 02:35.43 | DTRemenak | now there's an idea |
| 02:35.45 | Mayhem_ | roll a 6 to fire |
| 02:35.57 | Mayhem_ | roll a 3 to pick up GM |
| 02:36.19 | Mayhem_ | maybe we could do something like Megamek, with tanks... |
| 02:38.28 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 02:48.13 | brlcad | ahh, taxes are all done, lil bit of money should be on the way, time to celebrate productively |
| 02:49.32 | cosmos | we should ship the irs agents to the iraqi insurgents |
| 02:49.38 | Mayhem_ | one tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor. |
| 02:49.39 | cosmos | i wouldnt mind seeing a few of them beheaded |
| 02:51.37 | brlcad | the would have to raise taxes to fund the resources for that |
| 03:16.43 | brlcad | you wouldn't want me to do it .. i wouldn't call it timeout :) |
| 03:16.57 | orange | I don't care what you call it :-) |
| 03:17.19 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.34 | brlcad | that'd be a long command string |
| 03:17.55 | orange | hmmm, yeah |
| 03:18.12 | orange | /back_off_buddy |
| 03:18.33 | orange | /penaltybox |
| 03:19.10 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.20 | brlcad | hmm.. |
| 03:19.49 | orange | seriously, I am sick of people not giving new folks a chance to learn |
| 03:19.58 | orange | /kill was a good first step |
| 03:20.03 | orange | and it helps |
| 03:20.09 | brlcad | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.09 | orange | hehe |
| 03:20.56 | brlcad | have /educate make them read some random paragraph out of the bzflag manpage |
| 03:20.58 | DTRemenak | I think we ought to have a /tell command. you know, like "/tell George about teamkilling" |
| 03:20.59 | orange | it really is a timeout... just that there's no way to really get someone's attention without kicking them :-( |
| 03:21.07 | brlcad | and they have to answer a question correctly to continue playing |
| 03:21.12 | orange | DTRemenak: yeah, but you can't make them read |
| 03:21.13 | orange | oh, hmmm |
| 03:21.21 | DTRemenak | sure you can, brlcad's got the idea :) |
| 03:21.30 | orange | "You are red. Should you kill red players? Yes or No" |
| 03:21.51 | DTRemenak | might be hard on foreign-language players who haven't figured out the l10n options yet though |
| 03:22.01 | orange | yeah :-( |
| 03:22.07 | orange | you can't solve all the problems for sure |
| 03:22.14 | brlcad | the real answer is "it depends" too :) |
| 03:22.21 | DTRemenak | hah |
| 03:22.53 | DTRemenak | ~bzfrag brlcad |
| 03:22.55 | ibot | ACTION skewers brlcad with a super bullet |
| 03:23.05 | brlcad | teamkiller! |
| 03:23.15 | DTRemenak | hey, ibot's the teamkiller! |
| 03:23.30 | orange | I was talking to a new player the other day.. he was overwhelmed and confused, in my opinion... |
| 03:23.31 | brlcad | ~educate ibot |
| 03:23.33 | ibot | ACTION teaches ibot the basics, including how to RTM. |
| 03:23.35 | orange | other players were screaming "teamkiller" |
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| 03:23.48 | orange | one guy cusses the newbie, then hunts him down and kills him (a teammate) |
| 03:23.58 | orange | so I kicked the veteran, not the newbie |
| 03:24.05 | lan56 | cosmos: rejoiner + tker on hepcat by name of "Phuh Kyoo" |
| 03:24.14 | lan56 | won't go away after several warnigns |
| 03:24.18 | brlcad | sic em! |
| 03:24.19 | DTRemenak | nice creative name there |
| 03:24.34 | brlcad | yeah, pretty good :) |
| 03:24.47 | lan56 | comsmos: he seems to have left, perhaps by a poll |
| 03:25.21 | lan56 | I'll keep an eye out |
| 03:27.07 | DTRemenak | brlcad, you haven't broken the windows build in a long time. I'm beginning to miss having to fix it every morning :) |
| 03:33.02 | brlcad | i haven't have i |
| 03:33.06 | spldart | Is this how i would do a floor? http://www.pastebin.com/271915 |
| 03:34.06 | brlcad | I would have to change puters, though .. and probably stop drinking tequila |
| 03:34.32 | DTRemenak | naw, some of the most fascinating brokenness was when you had been drinking a wee bit much :) |
| 03:34.39 | bryjen | you don't need to be sober to break windows ;) |
| 03:34.56 | brlcad | hmm.. there are always headers to be "fixed" :) |
| 03:35.05 | DTRemenak | hehe |
| 03:35.18 | brlcad | I can still type, though .. not much damanage that I could cause yet |
| 03:35.41 | DTRemenak | "fixing" headers can break stuff even when you're sober :) |
| 03:35.54 | DTRemenak | because the blokes at microsoft...weren't |
| 03:38.39 | DTRemenak | I doubt it...who would have? |
| 03:38.46 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/misc/multilingualSwearList.txt: Foreign exchange student Phuh Kyoo says hello |
| 03:38.56 | DTRemenak | heh |
| 03:44.48 | lan56 | heh |
| 03:45.02 | lan56 | sounds chinese |
| 03:45.28 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03brlcad * 10bzflag/include/network.h: apply the patches provided from Apple for gcc 4 (for OS X 10.4) .. probably not really needed since the patches were to an older release, but what they heck. |
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| 03:55.21 | brlcad | fyi, that last patch really did come directly from Apple. |
| 03:56.37 | brlcad | an Apple "Compiler Quality Engineer" said he was patching up several packages in Fink (Mac OS X package management system ala Debian apt) for the new gcc 4 compiler |
| 03:57.49 | MeBigFatGuy | speaking of apple, me wonders which is worse |
| 03:57.51 | MeBigFatGuy | http://web14.compaq.com/falco/detail.asp?FAQnum=FAQ2859 |
| 03:57.53 | MeBigFatGuy | or |
| 03:58.05 | MeBigFatGuy | http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86816 |
| 03:58.39 | brlcad | hehe |
| 04:00.43 | brlcad | poor mac folk.. they were confused after it being made so clear with the g3 imacs that had a big ol handle on them |
| 04:01.52 | bryjen | if someone steals your mac, could apple be partly responsible for telling them how to do it? |
| 04:02.03 | MeBigFatGuy | perhaps |
| 04:02.48 | MeBigFatGuy | welp, i'm off to find the any key |
| 04:03.54 | bryjen | although it does say _your_ mac. i wonder if the steps are different for moving someone else's... |
| 04:18.22 | spldart | When I try to load a png from the interernet as a texture in my map and then log into my test bzfs My client says it cannot load from documents and settings/blah/blah/blah |
| 04:18.43 | spldart | Also It's tiling the .png if I go ahead and put a copy of it in the data folder and reference it from there. |
| 04:19.01 | spldart | Any ideas? |
| 04:29.59 | DTRemenak | make sure you didn't put .png on the texture line |
| 04:30.18 | DTRemenak | bzfs applies the extension automatically and is not afraid of doubling it |
| 04:31.17 | DTRemenak | and for avoiding tiling, learn to use texturematrix objects |
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| 04:33.30 | spldart | Thanks DTR |
| 04:33.43 | spldart | I'm trying to make an AirHockey bzmap |
| 04:34.06 | spldart | CTF goals and sliding tanks and all |
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| 04:36.53 | DTRemenak | yup, I read |
| 04:37.05 | DTRemenak | hope it turns out well :) |
| 04:38.59 | spldart | Me too. I'm still having a no go on adding a texture from my abyss personal web server though. It' says it can't find the texture in documents and settings but I'm directing it to the image on my apache server. |
| 04:39.20 | spldart | I remember having this problem on somebody elses map not to long ago |
| 04:39.25 | spldart | tree textures wouldn't load |
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| 04:50.08 | trepan | spldart: texture strings don't directly support spaces |
| 04:50.24 | trepan | in URLs, %20 can be used instead (iirc) |
| 04:51.58 | spldart | This is the line defining my texture for the floor "texture http://spldart.bakadigital.com:92/airhock" |
| 04:52.41 | trepan | add .png |
| 04:52.53 | trepan | invalid url without it |
| 04:52.55 | spldart | I had .png but DTR said that was a bad idea |
| 04:53.02 | trepan | no, that is a good idea |
| 04:53.19 | spldart | OK. I'll put the png back... But the problem remains :( |
| 04:53.55 | trepan | could be the :92, i never tested the existing code for resolving ports |
| 04:54.03 | spldart | AAAHHHH |
| 04:54.11 | spldart | except.... |
| 04:54.53 | spldart | I put a copy of the actual airhock.png in the data folder with everything else. Then did the line "texture airhock.png" but it didn't load either.... |
| 04:55.10 | spldart | Well |
| 04:55.22 | spldart | It loaded once earlier and then wouldn't load again :confused: |
| 04:55.38 | spldart | I got a tiled mess though so I got to texturemesh it somehow |
| 04:55.59 | spldart | I mean texturematrix |
| 04:56.09 | spldart | I'm thinking of just adding some bases now. |
| 05:05.33 | DTRemenak | trepan: from bzw.5: " texture filename # set working texture (without PNG extension)" |
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| 05:11.22 | DTRemenak | spldart, don't put .png... see also http://dtremenak.bakadigital.com/worlds/thewatch.bzw running on dtremenak.bakadigital.com:7000 |
| 05:11.55 | DTRemenak | also remember to un-restrict your downloads via DownloadAccess.txt |
| 05:14.00 | spldart | I did unrestrict the downloadaccess.txt |
| 05:14.21 | spldart | My problem seems to fall outside these things though... |
| 05:14.28 | spldart | Just finished adding my bases :) |
| 05:14.30 | trepan | DTRemenak: ah, that was before d/ls texs, .png wasn't req'd |
| 05:14.51 | trepan | it's req'd for url resolution |
| 05:14.51 | DTRemenak | trepan, it still isn't |
| 05:15.00 | DTRemenak | look at that map, join the server |
| 05:15.09 | DTRemenak | it works...if you add .png it STOPS working |
| 05:16.24 | trepan | heh, depends on if the file in question has .png on the end of it |
| 05:16.37 | trepan | your file has no extension |
| 05:16.57 | trepan | (which probably shouldn't be the default situation) |
| 05:17.00 | spldart | http://www.pastebin.com/271928 is my current non functional floor |
| 05:17.24 | spldart | And how would I texturematrix that? |
| 05:18.13 | trepan | 'texsize' would probably suffice |
| 05:18.19 | DTRemenak | hmm, must have borked an mv :) |
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| 05:18.53 | spldart | mv? |
| 05:19.08 | trepan | unix 'move' command |
| 05:19.11 | DTRemenak | move/rename on nixish systems |
| 05:19.12 | spldart | ah |
| 05:19.46 | DTRemenak | oh well, need to change it anyway since the server's running dragonflybsd not freebsd now... |
| 05:23.37 | trepan | spldart: your PNG is interlaced, don't believe that the PNG reading code can handle that |
| 05:23.51 | spldart | AAAAHHH |
| 05:24.34 | DTRemenak | that's the one thing it _can't_ handle, actually |
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| 05:25.06 | trepan | hm, a warning might be nice :) |
| 05:25.13 | DTRemenak | yeah, probably should :) |
| 05:25.26 | trepan | interlaced, phewie, i spit you out |
| 05:25.29 | DTRemenak | png's interlacing is cool, but way complex |
| 05:25.41 | trepan | SDLimage... ;) |
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| 05:25.49 | DTRemenak | heh, I knew you'd say that :) |
| 05:25.51 | trepan | or any of the others... |
| 05:26.51 | spldart | hehe |
| 05:27.06 | DTRemenak | Abort, Retry, Ignore? |
| 05:27.14 | trepan | a |
| 05:27.51 | trepan | badly written app... Abort, Retry, Ignore? |
| 05:28.01 | DTRemenak | i |
| 05:28.48 | trepan | you people are all alike, you use me, abuse me, and then ignore me ... preparing to reformat C: |
| 05:28.50 | spldart | very good. non interlaced fixed the no load texture |
| 05:29.12 | spldart | But any ideas on changes to code to fix the tiling with the linky above? |
| 05:29.13 | DTRemenak | for bzflag, interlacing would just serve to inflate file sizes anyway |
| 05:29.27 | spldart | http://www.pastebin.com/271928 |
| 05:29.37 | spldart | I noticed the interlaced was bigger |
| 05:30.06 | DTRemenak | spldart, look at the map url I sent, at the mesh object, texcoord properties |
| 05:31.08 | spldart | 'thewatch'? |
| 05:31.12 | DTRemenak | yeah |
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| 05:32.03 | DTRemenak | actually, since you're using a meshbox and not a mesh, you probably want to check out the texsize parameter instead |
| 05:32.14 | DTRemenak | I dunno how it works tho, haven't played with it |
| 05:34.19 | Aribeth_away | windows = crash; reboot......repeat |
| 05:35.15 | spldart | oh wow |
| 05:35.23 | spldart | this map is coming together |
| 05:35.26 | DTRemenak | good wow, bad wow |
| 05:35.28 | DTRemenak | good wow |
| 05:35.40 | spldart | Got ALOT of work still to do but wow |
| 05:35.52 | spldart | I find it hard to believe i'm doing this stuff |
| 05:36.01 | Aribeth_away | my lemuria map is moveing along |
| 05:36.17 | Aribeth_away | i have mountains and a waterfall in it now |
| 05:36.27 | spldart | oooOOOooo... I can't wait to see that |
| 05:36.54 | Aribeth_away | i need to convert the obj file and do the materials |
| 05:37.05 | Aribeth_away | but no time right now |
| 05:39.56 | Aribeth_away | 11:39 PDT |
| 05:40.15 | DTRemenak | thanks, but I really do need a clock :) |
| 05:40.37 | Aribeth_away | ahh, what kind? |
| 05:40.57 | DTRemenak | desktop |
| 05:41.09 | Aribeth_away | cant help there |
| 05:41.19 | spldart | I think I need to call it quits for the night. My eyes are burning from staring at objects and textures and etc :eek: |
| 05:42.11 | DTRemenak | preferably analog, and dockable |
| 05:42.31 | Aribeth_away | Win, Linux? |
| 05:42.47 | DTRemenak | windowmaker, specifically |
| 05:43.03 | Aribeth_away | ahh. kde has a nice clock |
| 05:43.24 | DTRemenak | kde is big and ugly |
| 05:43.30 | Aribeth_away | maybe afterstep's clock? |
| 05:43.37 | Aribeth_away | it is |
| 05:43.58 | DTRemenak | yeah, I'm looking at asclock now. trying to figure out how to make it do analog |
| 05:44.32 | spldart | I love my new linux server, new apps on aforementioned server, new router and new map. :D |
| 05:44.41 | Aribeth_away | i used to use afterstep, but it seems like its missing stuff now |
| 05:44.46 | spldart | Night all... Thanks for the help |
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| 05:47.47 | Aribeth_away | kvirc is nice though |
| 05:48.58 | Aribeth_away | kvirc has a nice gui and is very configurable |
| 05:49.13 | orange | irssi because I want it text-only |
| 05:49.25 | orange | with screen I can take my irc to any computer in the world and pick up where I left off |
| 05:49.51 | orange | well, it needs internet access :-) |
| 05:49.57 | Aribeth_away | lol |
| 05:50.03 | Aribeth_away | :) |
| 05:50.10 | DTRemenak | yeah, I run irssi on my server, when I need to |
| 05:50.28 | DTRemenak | usually there's a mozilla install on whatever machine I'm using though, so I can just drop cZ in |
| 05:50.46 | orange | screen = my vote for #1 application ever |
| 05:51.10 | Aribeth_away | my vote is for kvirc |
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| 08:13.32 | jpa- | morning |
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| 12:24.03 | learner | ehm |
| 12:25.37 | learner | _Manu_: getPlayerIDByName() is not the same as what all those functions were doing with the manual parsing |
| 12:25.54 | learner | nor is the tokenize() the same |
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| 12:26.59 | learner | there was a reason they didn't do that in the first place, it's not quite the same or as flexible |
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| 13:11.33 | MeBigFatGuy | wow nice warning on cvshome |
| 13:11.35 | MeBigFatGuy | https://www.cvshome.org/ |
| 13:11.41 | MeBigFatGuy | in the right hand column |
| 13:12.15 | learner | wow |
| 13:14.43 | MeBigFatGuy | wow, looks like the windows cvs server is the only safe one :) |
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| 13:18.45 | learner | wonder how ssh auth is vulnerable |
| 13:19.22 | learner | hrm, it's a 2004 vulnerability? |
| 13:22.56 | learner | it looks like it was a pserver bug from last year |
| 13:23.33 | learner | the exploit code posted at least only looks like it goes after pserver |
| 13:27.51 | learner | http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558,1786693,00.asp |
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| 14:11.18 | CIA-3 | BZFlag: 03jujibo * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: making tokenize working fine.. but probably there is a bug on it. Bug hunt start |
| 14:27.49 | learner | no, if they're getting rejected, they can just keep retrying quick (and continually get rejected) |
| 14:28.52 | learner | either way, the fact that the server "get's confused" is indeed a bug regardless if it's network related |
| 14:28.53 | jpa- | i haven't seen learner in a long time :P |
| 14:29.07 | learner | ~fishslap jpa- |
| 14:29.09 | ibot | ACTION slaps jpa- up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 14:29.48 | jpa- | ~lart learner |
| 14:31.39 | _Manu_ | :) |
| 14:31.42 | BearPerson | :) |
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| 14:32.18 | learner | yeah, I've been keeping low |
| 14:32.44 | learner | cops seem to always get closer around tax time, so have to keep quiet |
| 14:33.14 | learner | it's now past, so I can be a little more adventurous |
| 14:33.42 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 14:37.01 | ToughShooter | leaner: Why was my patch regarding german part of swear list ( http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1118624&group_id=3248&atid=303248 ) not checked in? |
| 14:37.32 | learner | ToughShooter, just haven't gotten to it yet -- that's why there's a list :) |
| 14:37.33 | ToughShooter | Is anything wrong with it? I could try to improve it. |
| 14:38.18 | ToughShooter | Ah, ok. Just wondered if it has been forgotten or I did something wrong with it. |
| 14:39.23 | learner | if something was wrong with it, you would have seen a comment or a rejection ;) |
| 14:43.23 | _Manu_ | the only wrong: the file is full of german swears... :) |
| 14:44.37 | jpa- | next time i'll be traveling somewhere, i'll study swearwords from the list first :) |
| 14:48.07 | Mugwump84 | you could learn a lot of new words that way :-) |
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| 16:14.49 | BearPerson | Yay! bzflag with a sleep in the main playing loop works really nice even under system load |
| 16:15.10 | BearPerson | before, if the other process was nice 10 and bzflag wasn't, the picture went all choppy |
| 16:15.33 | BearPerson | now it just runs on, and the other process even gets a piece of CPU time :) |
| 16:15.55 | menotume | sleep() ? |
| 16:16.00 | menotume | or usleep ? |
| 16:16.00 | BearPerson | 50 evenly distributed frames per second with a 0.01s delay |
| 16:16.11 | BearPerson | not sleep, lol |
| 16:16.17 | menotume | okies, nvm :) |
| 16:16.22 | BearPerson | TimeKeeper::sleep() actually |
| 16:16.30 | menotume | just enough to context-switch ? |
| 16:16.34 | menotume | ahhhh |
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| 16:16.54 | BearPerson | though I'd rather have a "sleep until 0.01s after the last invocation" or something |
| 16:16.56 | Tupone | why not a wait on vsync? |
| 16:17.13 | BearPerson | like "wake me every 0.01s for one main loop" |
| 16:17.37 | Tupone | vsync wait is the best |
| 16:17.39 | Tupone | IMHO |
| 16:17.39 | menotume | BearPerson: what was your normal framerate ? |
| 16:17.51 | BearPerson | like in the hundreds without delay |
| 16:17.58 | menotume | yes, vsync works great, if you are normally over 60fps |
| 16:18.07 | Tupone | yeah:) |
| 16:18.13 | BearPerson | vsync wait in the main playing loop? |
| 16:18.17 | menotume | no |
| 16:18.20 | menotume | easier |
| 16:18.41 | menotume | export __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1 |
| 16:18.50 | menotume | there should be another way too |
| 16:18.53 | BearPerson | :) |
| 16:18.54 | Tupone | that isfor nvidia I suppose |
| 16:19.02 | menotume | me? yes |
| 16:19.15 | BearPerson | but that would only influence graphics, right? |
| 16:19.28 | BearPerson | I think the main loop doesn't have a delay anywhere |
| 16:19.36 | menotume | no, will limit your frame rate to the sync rate of you monitor |
| 16:19.46 | menotume | and, free up CPU |
| 16:19.47 | BearPerson | so it would just fill up spare CPU time with calculating tank movement to the .00003 second |
| 16:19.52 | Tupone | you do not write more that you can read, and the machine wait without a busy loop on modern driver |
| 16:19.57 | BearPerson | it will limit the graphics frame rate, yeah |
| 16:20.30 | BearPerson | but is graphics frames == playing loop runs? |
| 16:20.42 | Tupone | yeah |
| 16:21.08 | menotume | should look better too |
| 16:21.08 | BearPerson | cool |
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| 16:44.01 | Mr_Molez | #bzquery 1vs1.pimpi.org:5160 |
| 16:44.09 | Mr_Molez | ~bzquery 1vs1.pimpi.org:5160 |
| 16:44.27 | Mr_Molez | ~bzfquery 1vs1.pimpi.org:5160 |
| 16:48.40 | _Manu_ | ~bzfquery 1vs1.pimpi.org:5160 |
| 16:48.53 | BearPerson | menotume, the export trick didn't quite work |
| 16:49.06 | BearPerson | still eats all the CPU it can get |
| 16:49.16 | menotume | k |
| 16:49.35 | menotume | there's another way, i think ... someone will know |
| 16:49.45 | menotume | i'll take a quick look |
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| 16:53.16 | menotume | that var isn't used in bzflag itself, must be for the drive, Tupone said something about nVidia |
| 16:53.22 | menotume | are you using nVidia ? |
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| 16:59.56 | BearPerson | nope, ati |
| 17:00.20 | menotume | k, i can't find anything, maybe someone will know |
| 17:15.00 | BearPerson | I think... maybe the frame rates did go down |
| 17:15.07 | BearPerson | but the CPU usage didn't |
| 17:16.40 | Chestal | are you taking about v-sync with ATI on Linux? |
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| 17:22.51 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 17:23.51 | Chestal | and how do you try to activate it? ALl I know is the option in XF86Config |
| 17:26.48 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 17:26.57 | BearPerson | [18:18:40]<menotume> export __GL_SYNC_TO_VBLANK=1 |
| 17:27.12 | BearPerson | sounds like a generic flag but probably isn't |
| 17:27.28 | BearPerson | I still believe that would only influence render fps and not engine fps |
| 17:28.22 | BearPerson | What would be the best way to read the delay? do a BZFS.eval() every run through the playing loop? |
| 17:28.30 | Chestal | I know that LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT seems to not work with nvidia and ATI drivers |
| 17:28.38 | Chestal | I think both drivers do not use the normal render path |
| 17:28.47 | Chestal | with Matrox drivers, those things work I think |
| 17:28.55 | JeffM2501 | they generaly implement there own GL libs |
| 17:29.12 | JeffM2501 | this is why we could not make debian binary packages on systems with nvidia |
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| 18:09.31 | ToughShooter | JeffM2501: I've found out more about the spikes showing up on radar with geforce cards |
| 18:09.58 | ToughShooter | I'm now able to reproduce it by myself. |
| 18:11.59 | ToughShooter | It is simply caused by a normal sphere object, without transparency etc., replacing a sphere object with a mesh one doesn't change symptoms. |
| 18:12.57 | ToughShooter | When smoothing gets turned on spikes show up on radar (but not when highest radar size in options is used) |
| 18:22.27 | Tupone | BearPerson, have you tried fglrxconfig |
| 18:24.45 | Tupone | It seems it ask "Do you want to synchronize buffer swaps with the vertical sync signal (y/n)? [n]" |
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| 18:29.49 | BearPerson | I know |
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| 18:42.30 | jpa- | ToughShooter: does it happen if radar transparency is 0, ie. it is fully opaque? |
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| 19:01.56 | ToughShooter | jpa-: Haven't tried yet, would have to check it |
| 19:02.39 | ToughShooter | It looks like the normals shown in tools like wings3d are displayed as spikes |
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| 20:20.44 | jpa- | braaad |
| 20:20.48 | jpa- | you have missed me |
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| 20:23.56 | CBG | I am trying to run a program that will update my IP for dyndns.org through Terminal but it keeps saying "Permission denied"... |
| 20:23.57 | brad2901 | hi jpa- :) |
| 20:24.11 | CBG | I am in the admin account... No account has more permissiong... |
| 20:24.52 | _Manu_ | perhaps the Permission denied if for dyndns.org |
| 20:25.08 | _Manu_ | are you wrinting right your username and pass? |
| 20:25.09 | CBG | Dunno. Just won't let me run the program... |
| 20:25.15 | CBG | Ill check |
| 20:25.27 | jpa- | uh.. |
| 20:25.34 | _Manu_ | and for that i think you don't need being root |
| 20:25.36 | jpa- | are you on linux? |
| 20:25.43 | JeffM2501 | run it with sudo |
| 20:25.47 | _Manu_ | what you are updating is dyndns.. |
| 20:25.49 | JeffM2501 | the admin account dosn't have root access |
| 20:25.54 | jpa- | then you are probably missing the execute bit |
| 20:25.57 | CBG | Im on Mac 10.3.8 |
| 20:26.05 | CBG | How do I run with sudo? |
| 20:26.06 | jpa- | so do chmod +x dyndnsupdater |
| 20:26.09 | JeffM2501 | you haven't updated to 10.3.9 ? |
| 20:26.18 | CBG | Uhh... no... |
| 20:26.30 | JeffM2501 | is it a clicky app or a command line app? |
| 20:26.35 | CBG | What? |
| 20:26.40 | JeffM2501 | do you click it? |
| 20:26.40 | CBG | Im runniong it from Terminal |
| 20:26.46 | JeffM2501 | that would be command line |
| 20:26.49 | CBG | yeah |
| 20:26.55 | JeffM2501 | put the word "sudo" in front of it |
| 20:27.05 | CBG | tinfron of the whole path? |
| 20:27.13 | JeffM2501 | yeah before the command |
| 20:27.19 | JeffM2501 | sudo whatever/whatever/whatever |
| 20:27.26 | JeffM2501 | then it'll ask for your admin password |
| 20:27.27 | CBG | thanks :D your a SUPER star Jeff! |
| 20:27.33 | JeffM2501 | apple has special rules |
| 20:27.37 | JeffM2501 | for terminal stuff |
| 20:27.42 | CBG | ahhhh |
| 20:27.45 | CBG | I did that |
| 20:27.49 | CBG | typed my pass |
| 20:28.01 | CBG | Then: "command not found" |
| 20:28.15 | JeffM2501 | just type sudo and see what happens |
| 20:28.21 | JeffM2501 | and did you put a space after sudo |
| 20:28.25 | JeffM2501 | before the command ? |
| 20:28.37 | CBG | yeah |
| 20:28.44 | CBG | it worked, it asked for my pass |
| 20:28.48 | CBG | which I gave |
| 20:28.48 | JeffM2501 | good |
| 20:28.54 | CBG | then it gave the error |
| 20:29.00 | JeffM2501 | then the path to what you are typing in is not correct |
| 20:29.15 | CBG | ill try again |
| 20:29.55 | CBG | I just went to the directory with cd |
| 20:30.05 | JeffM2501 | what ever floats your boat |
| 20:30.07 | CBG | then did: sudo file.conf |
| 20:30.12 | CBG | and it made no difference |
| 20:30.18 | JeffM2501 | file.conf? |
| 20:30.21 | JeffM2501 | is that a text file? |
| 20:30.25 | JeffM2501 | or an application? |
| 20:30.35 | CBG | rundns.conf - a txt file |
| 20:30.46 | JeffM2501 | you can't "run" text files |
| 20:30.54 | JeffM2501 | run the program they gave you |
| 20:31.03 | CBG | I am following the readme that came with the damn thing :( |
| 20:31.16 | JeffM2501 | that makes no sense |
| 20:31.20 | JeffM2501 | they probalby say EDIT the config |
| 20:31.23 | JeffM2501 | to set your setings |
| 20:31.23 | CBG | It says : Then start the program. Command "/usr/bin/rundns_ssl /etc/rundns.conf" in the console window. |
| 20:31.47 | JeffM2501 | runsdns_ssl is the program |
| 20:31.48 | _Manu_ | then you must type: sudo /usr/bin/rundns_ssl /etc/rundns.conf |
| 20:31.53 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:31.58 | JeffM2501 | program THEN the file |
| 20:32.01 | CBG | Thats not the directory it is in |
| 20:32.02 | JeffM2501 | the file is a paramater |
| 20:32.07 | JeffM2501 | it's a full path |
| 20:32.12 | JeffM2501 | then fix the path to where it IS |
| 20:32.14 | CBG | I use THAT path? |
| 20:32.16 | CBG | i did |
| 20:32.21 | JeffM2501 | then you did it wrong |
| 20:32.23 | JeffM2501 | what did you type? |
| 20:32.25 | CBG | I did what it said with MY CORRECT Path |
| 20:32.38 | CBG | I even went right to the directory with cd |
| 20:32.41 | CBG | and typed ls |
| 20:32.49 | CBG | then copied the filename and put sudo in front |
| 20:32.54 | JeffM2501 | what exactyly did you type? |
| 20:32.59 | _Manu_ | as rundns_ssl is in your path.. you can do also: sudo rundns_ssl /etc/rundns.conf |
| 20:33.06 | CBG | sudo rundns.conf |
| 20:33.17 | JeffM2501 | you NEED the rundns_ssl part |
| 20:33.19 | JeffM2501 | that is the app |
| 20:33.24 | JeffM2501 | you skiped the app part |
| 20:33.30 | CBG | ? |
| 20:33.33 | JeffM2501 | the rundns_ssl is NOT part of the path |
| 20:33.41 | CBG | oh |
| 20:33.42 | _Manu_ | just type this: sudo rundns_ssl /etc/rundns.conf |
| 20:33.42 | JeffM2501 | is rundns_ssl in your current dir? |
| 20:33.51 | JeffM2501 | are both files in your dir? |
| 20:33.56 | CBG | so i do: app file |
| 20:34.01 | JeffM2501 | yes |
| 20:34.20 | JeffM2501 | just like the readme told you to do |
| 20:34.29 | CBG | rundns_ssl rundns.conf - no luck :( |
| 20:34.42 | _Manu_ | put sudo before it.. |
| 20:34.45 | JeffM2501 | are they in your current dir? |
| 20:34.47 | CBG | oh ok :D lol |
| 20:34.53 | CBG | they are in current dir |
| 20:35.15 | CBG | "command not found" |
| 20:35.25 | JeffM2501 | what exactly did you type? |
| 20:35.30 | CBG | sudo rundns_ssl rundns.conf |
| 20:35.42 | JeffM2501 | put a ./ in front of the rundns_ssl |
| 20:35.46 | CBG | k |
| 20:35.53 | JeffM2501 | so sudo ./rundns_ssl rundns.conf |
| 20:36.10 | CBG | Please provide the full path name to the configuration file ./rundns.conf |
| 20:36.17 | JeffM2501 | NO |
| 20:36.20 | CBG | So I have to type the whole path for the file? |
| 20:36.28 | JeffM2501 | is the file in the current dir? |
| 20:36.31 | CBG | .me thinks Manu should shh |
| 20:36.32 | CBG | yes |
| 20:36.41 | JeffM2501 | I think you should learn how to use a simple terminal |
| 20:36.45 | JeffM2501 | what exactly did you type |
| 20:36.49 | CBG | I am learning |
| 20:37.09 | CBG | sudo ./rundns_ssl rundns.conf |
| 20:37.10 | JeffM2501 | no your poking around, you have not done any learning or study on the subject |
| 20:37.18 | CBG | then: sudo ./rundns_ssl ./rundns.conf |
| 20:37.25 | CBG | both have same result |
| 20:37.26 | JeffM2501 | it wants full path |
| 20:37.30 | JeffM2501 | give it the full path |
| 20:37.33 | CBG | k |
| 20:37.55 | CBG | starting with MacHD or User? |
| 20:38.02 | JeffM2501 | FULL path |
| 20:38.09 | JeffM2501 | what ever it takes to get there from anywhere |
| 20:38.09 | CBG | k |
| 20:38.13 | _Manu_ | well.. if your README file.. tells you the /etc/rundns.conf i think you must install the program.. you must be missed any earlier step |
| 20:38.39 | JeffM2501 | tosh even have an etc? |
| 20:39.40 | CBG | cannot access the configuration file Macintosh HD/Users/James/DownLoads/rundns-macosx-0.90/rundns.conf. |
| 20:39.56 | JeffM2501 | it's case senstive remember |
| 20:40.17 | CBG | yeah... |
| 20:40.23 | CBG | Looks good to me |
| 20:40.28 | JeffM2501 | is the file open in someother app? |
| 20:40.52 | CBG | yeah |
| 20:41.15 | CBG | i quit: makes no difference: same error |
| 20:41.16 | JeffM2501 | close it |
| 20:41.22 | JeffM2501 | then ether path is wrong |
| 20:41.24 | JeffM2501 | or perms are wrong |
| 20:41.43 | CBG | ahh |
| 20:41.53 | CBG | theres a . at the end of the file name ^ |
| 20:41.56 | CBG | Duh! |
| 20:42.03 | CBG | or not |
| 20:42.09 | CBG | that was only when i posted here |
| 20:46.27 | CBG | readme says another way to do it is to run an app called "install" |
| 20:46.38 | CBG | when I do it says: RunDNS Installer version initial |
| 20:46.38 | CBG | Please run this installer as root user. |
| 20:46.52 | CBG | If Admin account is not Root User, How do I become the root user? |
| 20:58.21 | JeffM2501 | su |
| 20:58.35 | JeffM2501 | you can't log into aqua as root usualy |
| 20:58.40 | JeffM2501 | it's for your own protection |
| 20:58.44 | CBG | oh. so im doomed? |
| 20:58.47 | JeffM2501 | sudo makes you root for that one command |
| 20:58.48 | JeffM2501 | no |
| 20:58.55 | CBG | oh... ok |
| 20:58.55 | JeffM2501 | you just need to know how to work paths |
| 20:59.06 | BearPerson | or su |
| 20:59.07 | JeffM2501 | sudo does the very next command as root |
| 20:59.16 | BearPerson | sudo != su |
| 20:59.23 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 20:59.27 | JeffM2501 | su changes you to root |
| 20:59.33 | JeffM2501 | so all commands after that are in root |
| 20:59.36 | JeffM2501 | but sudo is safter |
| 20:59.56 | JeffM2501 | cus you can REALY screw up stuff if you do something as root wrong |
| 21:00.03 | CBG | ok lol |
| 21:00.10 | JeffM2501 | like wipe out the system |
| 21:00.22 | CBG | Ouch. |
| 21:00.57 | JeffM2501 | this is why I keep telling you to read up on what you are doing |
| 21:01.03 | JeffM2501 | and not just poke your OS with a stick |
| 21:02.13 | CBG | What if it's a barge pole? |
| 21:02.25 | JeffM2501 | it's your system |
| 21:02.28 | JeffM2501 | do what you wish |
| 21:02.48 | CBG | Anyone know the best place to get a barge pole? |
| 21:04.18 | JeffM2501 | in my pants |
| 21:04.34 | CBG | JeffM: At least it's not a chode :) |
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| 21:14.58 | TOKIMI | is there a hepcat admin on? |
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| 21:16.32 | cosmos_ | damn client |
| 21:16.57 | TOKIMI | cosmos |
| 21:17.07 | TOKIMI | can you check the ip logs for overlord? |
| 21:17.11 | TOKIMI | we had an interesting cheater on |
| 21:17.30 | cosmos_ | what |
| 21:17.30 | _Manu_ | TOKIMI, to find one look at the cosmos.. :) |
| 21:17.31 | cosmos_ | how so |
| 21:17.40 | cosmos_ | i was just on bzbb posting |
| 21:17.46 | TOKIMI | he hacked the client, and started kicking all the cops that were on |
| 21:18.00 | cosmos_ | come again |
| 21:18.03 | TOKIMI | heh |
| 21:18.08 | TOKIMI | i made a \report |
| 21:18.12 | TOKIMI | but any way |
| 21:18.15 | cosmos_ | what was the username |
| 21:18.17 | TOKIMI | he kicked me and dunadan |
| 21:18.24 | TOKIMI | "ULTIMATE BZFLAG HACKER" |
| 21:18.24 | _Manu_ | in viper cops are kick protected.. :) |
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| 21:18.47 | cosmos_ | they should be on hepcat too |
| 21:18.49 | cosmos_ | that is odd |
| 21:18.53 | BearPerson | indeed |
| 21:19.06 | _Manu_ | he is probably faking messages... |
| 21:19.11 | _Manu_ | this need a fix.. |
| 21:19.25 | _Manu_ | like for the endShots.. ;) |
| 21:20.10 | BearPerson | fake message from server to client? |
| 21:20.19 | _Manu_ | no.. from client to server.. |
| 21:20.23 | BearPerson | huh? |
| 21:20.31 | _Manu_ | impersonating a cop or admin |
| 21:20.36 | BearPerson | ah |
| 21:20.46 | _Manu_ | i knew it can be done... :/ |
| 21:20.48 | BearPerson | so you fake to be one admin there to kick another? |
| 21:20.59 | BearPerson | but where does the kick protection come in? |
| 21:21.09 | _Manu_ | well.. i'm not going to tell you as it can be done ;) |
| 21:21.14 | BearPerson | ;-) |
| 21:21.25 | cosmos_ | netherlands 213.78.206.181 |
| 21:21.36 | _Manu_ | yes.. aenox.. heh |
| 21:21.44 | _Manu_ | he is back.. |
| 21:21.54 | TOKIMI | anoying |
| 21:21.56 | cosmos_ | who is aenox |
| 21:21.56 | _Manu_ | from btopenworld.. |
| 21:22.04 | _Manu_ | who wrote the endShot cheat |
| 21:23.02 | cosmos_ | time to ban the whole country |
| 21:23.13 | BearPerson | hehe |
| 21:23.14 | _Manu_ | cosmos.. for a workaround.. add kick protection to your cops |
| 21:23.34 | BearPerson | [23:18:45]<cosmos_> they should be on hepcat too |
| 21:23.34 | TOKIMI | but then we couldnt have kick wars |
| 21:23.41 | ruskie | lol |
| 21:23.59 | cosmos_ | is that ANTIKICK |
| 21:24.20 | cosmos_ | should be there already hrm |
| 21:24.21 | redsoxfan90 | hi cosmos |
| 21:25.16 | _Manu_ | yes.. the ANTIKILL |
| 21:25.24 | _Manu_ | and ANTIKICK |
| 21:27.11 | TOKIMI | wth, cosmos, are you doing stuff? |
| 21:27.20 | cosmos_ | no just editing the files |
| 21:27.24 | cosmos_ | well auditing them |
| 21:27.26 | TOKIMI | well |
| 21:27.34 | TOKIMI | hepcat just did some crazy @Q%^ |
| 21:27.42 | TOKIMI | lol |
| 21:27.47 | cosmos_ | like what |
| 21:27.48 | TOKIMI | i tested my \ban privs |
| 21:27.53 | TOKIMI | and now after you editing them |
| 21:27.58 | TOKIMI | im banned from hepcat |
| 21:28.04 | cosmos_ | hahaha |
| 21:28.05 | TOKIMI | LOL |
| 21:28.07 | _Manu_ | heh... bad |
| 21:28.07 | cosmos_ | let me fix that |
| 21:28.23 | _Manu_ | be afraid cosmos.. or somebody can ban you too :) |
| 21:28.27 | TOKIMI | actually |
| 21:28.32 | cosmos_ | no they cant |
| 21:28.33 | TOKIMI | i wasnt able to ban myself |
| 21:28.35 | TOKIMI | but |
| 21:28.36 | cosmos_ | i can just remove the ban file |
| 21:28.43 | TOKIMI | my ip was added to the list |
| 21:28.44 | TOKIMI | so... |
| 21:28.57 | cosmos_ | your unbanned |
| 21:29.01 | TOKIMI | :-D |
| 21:29.18 | cosmos_ | if it was on the list you were able to ban |
| 21:29.26 | TOKIMI | shortban |
| 21:30.12 | TOKIMI | does any one here use the gcc package? |
| 21:31.07 | cosmos_ | which gcc package |
| 21:31.22 | TOKIMI | well |
| 21:31.43 | TOKIMI | my yum update just showed my an x86_64.4.0 gcc package update |
| 21:31.49 | TOKIMI | and i was shocked that gcc 4.0 was out |
| 21:32.03 | TOKIMI | but couldnt see it on gcc.gnu.org |
| 21:32.06 | TOKIMI | ..... |
| 21:32.34 | cosmos_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:32.56 | DTRemenak | it's scheduled for release sometime this month |
| 21:33.23 | DTRemenak | could be that they tagged the release and haven't gotten around to updating the website yet |
| 21:33.58 | TOKIMI | lol |
| 21:33.59 | TOKIMI | nice |
| 21:34.34 | DTRemenak | there was a prerelease release on 4-10 |
| 21:36.07 | cosmos_ | the 24.x cheaters are in on int |
| 21:36.11 | cosmos_ | in on it |
| 21:36.27 | cosmos_ | its abut time 24.x gets banned |
| 21:36.43 | DTRemenak | lots and lots of legit players on 24.x |
| 21:36.43 | _Manu_ | drastically... |
| 21:37.26 | cosmos_ | if i put full debug -d -d -d -d would it show how these sob's are cheating |
| 21:37.42 | cosmos_ | they are grabbing full admin seemingly at will |
| 21:39.06 | _Manu_ | level 4 is bloody.. |
| 21:40.01 | creeperz | level 4 debug is way too much debugging |
| 21:40.12 | creeperz | the most i go is 3 |
| 21:40.26 | creeperz | and even that is a little too extened for me |
| 21:41.03 | cosmos_ | well im going to find these cheaters and stick my boot up their ass |
| 21:41.12 | _Manu_ | heh.. |
| 21:41.37 | DTRemenak | _Manu_: afaik there's no technical reason why you _couldn't_ change it while it was running. not a bad idea, actually :) |
| 21:41.54 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, i got it in mind ;) |
| 21:42.37 | _Manu_ | we can implement for use /set over the debug level :) |
| 21:43.40 | DTRemenak | debuglevel can't be a bzdb var. probably should have a /debuglevel or something. |
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| 21:46.52 | BearPerson | If you do find it out, I'm not sure if you'd want to discuss it in here though |
| 21:53.29 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, well not actually.. but can be changed :) |
| 21:54.34 | redsoxfan90 | haha cosmos people cheat on ur server funny |
| 21:54.36 | redsoxfan90 | woner why |
| 21:54.42 | redsoxfan90 | *wonder |
| 21:54.45 | DTRemenak | _Manu_: what can be changed? |
| 21:55.11 | _Manu_ | the actuall debug stuff |
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| 21:55.22 | cosmos_ | yeah i wonder why redzo, couldnt be friend of yours |
| 21:55.25 | DTRemenak | it can't ever be a bzdb var though |
| 21:55.26 | cosmos_ | little racist piece of shit |
| 21:55.30 | _Manu_ | but if learner is working in a frakework... let's wait for him :) |
| 21:55.38 | JeffM2501 | cosmos lang please |
| 21:55.40 | DTRemenak | it gets used before bzdb is initialized |
| 21:55.48 | redsoxfan90 | how ami racist |
| 21:55.49 | JeffM2501 | just ban em all |
| 21:55.51 | redsoxfan90 | i have black friends |
| 21:55.54 | redsoxfan90 | u make no since |
| 21:55.57 | redsoxfan90 | ur dumb |
| 21:56.00 | JeffM2501 | he didn't say it was to you |
| 21:56.05 | DTRemenak | _Manu_, that framework is about 8 months overdue now :) |
| 21:56.10 | JeffM2501 | he said it about the cheaters |
| 21:56.14 | redsoxfan90 | no |
| 21:56.16 | redsoxfan90 | he banned |
| 21:56.17 | redsoxfan90 | me |
| 21:56.21 | JeffM2501 | whopty do |
| 21:56.23 | redsoxfan90 | and says im racist |
| 21:56.26 | JeffM2501 | so did most of ther est of the world |
| 21:56.31 | JeffM2501 | well I think your an idiot |
| 21:56.36 | redsoxfan90 | he is too |
| 21:56.39 | BearPerson | "I don't have anything against <insert group here>. If I did, I'd use it" |
| 21:56.49 | JeffM2501 | take it up with him IN PRIVATE |
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| 21:56.55 | redsoxfan90 | he calls everyone else ass holes someone needs to clall him 1 |
| 21:57.04 | redsoxfan90 | he doesnt answer me |
| 21:57.06 | redsoxfan90 | hes scared |
| 21:57.09 | JeffM2501 | what part of private dosn't you understand? |
| 21:57.12 | JeffM2501 | then you are done there |
| 21:57.13 | cosmos_ | heh |
| 21:57.14 | JeffM2501 | it's his server |
| 21:57.15 | redsoxfan90 | he dont talk |
| 21:57.19 | JeffM2501 | he can do what he wants |
| 21:57.25 | BearPerson | yeah |
| 21:57.30 | JeffM2501 | when you GET A JOB maybe you can afford a server |
| 21:57.35 | JeffM2501 | and you can ban him |
| 21:57.44 | JeffM2501 | untill then, deal with it. |
| 21:57.45 | BearPerson | if he likes to only have people with pink shorts playing, there's nothing you can do |
| 21:57.47 | redsoxfan90 | haha hes the 1 who didnt have enough money |
| 21:57.48 | BearPerson | ;-) |
| 21:57.55 | JeffM2501 | redsoxfan90, so what |
| 21:57.57 | cosmos_ | thats a good idea |
| 21:57.58 | BearPerson | for? employing hitmen to kill you? |
| 21:58.01 | cosmos_ | pink shorts players |
| 21:58.13 | JeffM2501 | redsoxfan90, bybe bye |
| 21:58.22 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b redsoxfan90!*@*] by JeffM2501 |
| 21:58.41 | cosmos_ | sigh |
| 21:58.45 | BearPerson | timing |
| 21:58.46 | cosmos_ | he flooded me |
| 21:59.02 | JeffM2501 | d00d he's haxorings j000\ |
| 21:59.23 | bryjen | effectively too, since you're still here :) |
| 21:59.25 | JeffM2501 | how did he get on your reg server? |
| 21:59.30 | JeffM2501 | what username? |
| 21:59.30 | cosmos_ | he got on the server last week and started /report smpamming since he couldnt TALK |
| 21:59.39 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, yes.. you can change all those #defines for debuglevels... and also changing formatDebug.. is not very difficult |
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| 21:59.56 | cosmos_ | using another 23 err 24.x address |
| 22:00.10 | JeffM2501 | cosmos_ you haven't done reg to spawn have you? |
| 22:00.13 | DTRemenak | _Manu_, but if you make it use bzdb, then it can't be used until bzdb is initialized |
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| 22:00.23 | cosmos_ | jeff no still ironing out the bugs |
| 22:00.26 | DTRemenak | right now it's used a lot before bzdb is started |
| 22:00.28 | cosmos_ | trying to get more registered |
| 22:00.39 | JeffM2501 | was he using a reged name at all? |
| 22:00.42 | cosmos_ | no |
| 22:00.46 | DTRemenak | not to mention the processing overhead associated with bzdb |
| 22:00.47 | JeffM2501 | I can kill any you find him trying to use |
| 22:00.49 | cosmos_ | i dont think so but i wasnt on |
| 22:00.53 | cosmos_ | i just saw the reports |
| 22:01.02 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, true |
| 22:01.02 | JeffM2501 | if he finds a way to get one, just let me know |
| 22:01.04 | DTRemenak | better to have a command that just changes the global |
| 22:01.05 | trepan | DTRemenak: BZDBCache to the rescue? |
| 22:01.06 | BearPerson | you can just make playing with unregged less attractive |
| 22:01.10 | cosmos_ | so i grepped logs abanned the ip |
| 22:01.29 | cosmos_ | right now unregged cant speak |
| 22:01.48 | BearPerson | good |
| 22:01.57 | BearPerson | (IMO) |
| 22:02.09 | BearPerson | at least should-be-regged should not be able to talk |
| 22:02.10 | trepan | still have to do a workaround for db init, i'd stick to a separate command as well |
| 22:02.19 | BearPerson | so you can't have impersonators spamming |
| 22:02.38 | _Manu_ | trepan, yes.. i'm talking about adding stuff.. changing the actual code.. |
| 22:02.54 | trepan | _Manu_: huh? |
| 22:03.09 | _Manu_ | for the dynamic debug messages.. |
| 22:03.21 | cosmos_ | made a few promotions to admins on hepcat too, RC Cola, spud an anarchist, tokimi and dunadan |
| 22:03.31 | DTRemenak | _Manu_: just have /debuglevel 4 do debugLevel = 4; :) |
| 22:03.54 | trepan | and local dbg level as well? |
| 22:03.56 | _Manu_ | yes.. this is one way.. :) |
| 22:04.14 | _Manu_ | and no overhead.. :) |
| 22:04.17 | Pimpinella | wow, another woody release... |
| 22:04.17 | trepan | there may be a couple of spots where the dbg lvl is expected not to change |
| 22:04.27 | DTRemenak | trepan, I don't know of any |
| 22:04.40 | DTRemenak | oh boy... |
| 22:04.41 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, what is woody? k |
| 22:04.58 | Pimpinella | ;) |
| 22:05.13 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, ah yes.. i remember when i was young.. a debian release.... kk |
| 22:05.22 | BearPerson | debian... they should rather call it "coal", the old the software on it is ;-) |
| 22:05.35 | trepan | DTRemenak: DisplayMenu.cxx might be one |
| 22:06.18 | Pimpinella | BearPerson: i run sid here, and it's quite up to date |
| 22:06.38 | DTRemenak | trepan, DisplayMenu is created every time it's shown |
| 22:06.42 | linuxclub | _Manu_, 19 luglio 2002, yesterday |
| 22:06.46 | DTRemenak | changing it while it's not shown should not be a problem |
| 22:06.51 | Pimpinella | on the other hand my server runs woody and it's old, but....well...stable ;) |
| 22:06.55 | DTRemenak | next time it's created, it will show different stuff |
| 22:07.25 | _Manu_ | linuxclub, my first debian was 0.9x... i'm kidding Pimpi... |
| 22:07.49 | Pimpinella | sure |
| 22:07.53 | linuxclub | _Manu_, I know, you said me yesterday :) |
| 22:08.15 | Pimpinella | but actually r4 to r5, changes are marginal |
| 22:08.31 | DTRemenak | trepan, aside from which, we were talking about a server-side command ;) |
| 22:08.32 | _Manu_ | linuxclub, heh,.. luglio... that's a tip |
| 22:08.46 | _Manu_ | linuxclub, and also star wars ;) |
| 22:09.04 | trepan | ah, i was also mentionned client side |
| 22:09.18 | DTRemenak | yeah, but I still don't see any problems with it client-side :) |
| 22:09.28 | Pimpinella | nite |
| 22:09.33 | cosmos_ | inuxclub is that like fight club for nerds? |
| 22:09.56 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, tschüss ;) |
| 22:09.56 | BearPerson | good night Pimpinella |
| 22:10.01 | DTRemenak | grep hasn't shown anything that might be dangerous |
| 22:10.07 | linuxclub | http://linux-club.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=18 |
| 22:10.57 | _Manu_ | DTRemenak, define dangerous ;) |
| 22:11.20 | DTRemenak | "causing unexpected behaviour if debugLevel changed while stuff was happenin'" |
| 22:11.34 | _Manu_ | i knew... |
| 22:11.56 | trepan | DTRemenak: it caused a crash, can't assume regeneration there, gotta trace it up |
| 22:12.09 | DTRemenak | hmm |
| 22:12.41 | trepan | menus are only regen'ed as required, ex: MainMenu.cxx/155 |
| 22:13.05 | DTRemenak | ah |
| 22:13.08 | linuxclub | they are never dropped IRC |
| 22:13.16 | trepan | so at least 1 spot, probably the only one |
| 22:13.35 | DTRemenak | oh, that's right...I had to hack around that for MainMenu to do the "Leave Game" thing |
| 22:13.56 | _Manu_ | nite! |
| 22:14.23 | BearPerson | buenos noces or whatever ;-) |
| 22:14.30 | linuxclub | adios |
| 22:14.46 | _Manu_ | BearPerson, buenas noches! :-) |
| 22:14.55 | BearPerson | ~tr en sp good night |
| 22:15.02 | BearPerson | or how'd that go :) |
| 22:15.09 | DTRemenak | es not sp |
| 22:15.24 | BearPerson | ~tr en es good night |
| 22:15.32 | linuxclub | ~x en es good night |
| 22:15.37 | bryjen | ~x en es try again |
| 22:15.50 | _Manu_ | ibot is wrong.. .:/ |
| 22:15.56 | DTRemenak | wow, ibot sucks :) |
| 22:16.12 | DTRemenak | err, I mean, babelfish sucks? |
| 22:16.12 | linuxclub | not ibot, ibot is using something else |
| 22:17.44 | BearPerson | poof |
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| 22:42.21 | bz9171 | can someone tell me how to download the bzflag sources in a zip? |
| 22:42.56 | JeffM2501 | there should be a source zip in the download files from sourceforge |
| 22:43.00 | JeffM2501 | linked on www.bzflag.org |
| 22:43.29 | bz9171 | ok, thanks |
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| 23:14.03 | BearPerson | yay! frame rate limiting :) |
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| 23:55.15 | cosmos_ | he nixdepp |
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