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| 00:01.32 | spldart | whew.... |
| 00:01.43 | wegstar | extern! |
| 00:01.55 | wegstar | oops wrong channel. |
| 00:02.00 | spldart | Ok... How do I join another channel at the same time? |
| 00:02.10 | wegstar | '/join #<chgannel>' |
| 00:02.15 | spldart | got it |
| 00:02.18 | spldart | hehe |
| 00:02.21 | wegstar | I thnk for birc |
| 00:02.23 | wegstar | virc.. |
| 00:02.24 | spldart | I'm trying to learn linux |
| 00:02.28 | wegstar | oh |
| 00:02.42 | wegstar | wait.. while I swear at this guy... :) |
| 00:13.52 | spldart | I'm trying to sort a problem where I can't mount my usb harddrive in knoppix 3.7. It see's it but comes up with an error. |
| 00:14.43 | Mr_Molez | umm |
| 00:14.55 | Mr_Molez | i think u have the wrong channel |
| 00:14.59 | wegstar | ... |
| 00:15.02 | wegstar | no... |
| 00:15.05 | wegstar | :P |
| 00:15.07 | spldart | Nah.. I'm here for bzflag |
| 00:15.12 | Mr_Molez | ohh |
| 00:15.21 | Mr_Molez | what error u gettin |
| 00:15.21 | wegstar | anyway... |
| 00:15.26 | spldart | I'm just complaining on here about my post on the channel #knoppix |
| 00:15.45 | spldart | And DTR and Jeffm keep telling me to get linux for my bz server ;) |
| 00:16.22 | wegstar | I have had problems with knoppix detecting usb drives... |
| 00:16.50 | spldart | It detects the drive and puts an icon on the Kdesktop for it... sda1 |
| 00:16.55 | wegstar | oh |
| 00:17.03 | wegstar | hmm... |
| 00:17.09 | Mr_Molez | what is the error |
| 00:17.34 | spldart | Error KDesktop. The reported error was: mount. wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, or too many mounted file systems. |
| 00:17.55 | spldart | That happens when I try to mount it or change the permissions in the Kdesktop |
| 00:18.04 | Mr_Molez | open a terminal and type mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb |
| 00:18.10 | Mr_Molez | maybe cuz its alreay mounted |
| 00:18.20 | spldart | Nope... It shows as not mounted |
| 00:18.24 | Mr_Molez | oo |
| 00:18.27 | spldart | As well as the other drives |
| 00:18.31 | spldart | but the other drives will mount |
| 00:18.36 | spldart | this one gives me that error |
| 00:19.02 | spldart | If I try in the terminal it says it can't but I can't remember exactly what it said |
| 00:19.29 | Mr_Molez | do mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb -t vfat |
| 00:19.31 | Mr_Molez | if it complains |
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| 00:20.32 | spldart | let me write that down |
| 00:20.41 | spldart | I'll try that next time I boot into knoppix |
| 00:20.54 | Mr_Molez | obviously u can substitute /mnt/usb for where eva u want it to be mounted |
| 00:21.02 | wegstar | can't you just chat from knoppix...? |
| 00:21.21 | spldart | I tried but it kept giving me a banned message |
| 00:21.24 | spldart | I couldn't get on |
| 00:21.25 | wegstar | ah |
| 00:21.27 | Mr_Molez | lol |
| 00:21.31 | spldart | But I could browse the internet fine though |
| 00:21.47 | Mr_Molez | u didnt try getting on as root did u |
| 00:21.55 | spldart | I did switch to root |
| 00:22.03 | Mr_Molez | i dont think it lets u with root |
| 00:22.08 | Mr_Molez | make an odinary user |
| 00:22.11 | Mr_Molez | *ordinary |
| 00:22.11 | spldart | remember. I was able to mount the drives fine that are on ide chains |
| 00:22.52 | Mr_Molez | its probably because it cant work out what filesystem it is |
| 00:23.01 | Mr_Molez | if you declair it as vfat should work ;) |
| 00:23.17 | spldart | All the drives are ntfs |
| 00:23.25 | spldart | It just couldn't mount the usb one though |
| 00:23.51 | Mr_Molez | well good luck |
| 00:23.54 | spldart | I have another laptop drive I can throw in the case though. formatted in fat32 |
| 00:23.54 | blast007 | still, you might have to tell linux what file system the USB drive uses ;) |
| 00:24.09 | spldart | I did -t ntfs |
| 00:24.17 | Mr_Molez | it is vfat the usb |
| 00:24.25 | Mr_Molez | they all are |
| 00:24.47 | blast007 | is this a USB pendrive? or an external USB hard drive bay? |
| 00:25.01 | spldart | external mini usb hdd case/bay |
| 00:25.08 | Mr_Molez | oooo |
| 00:25.08 | blast007 | ahh, ok |
| 00:25.15 | spldart | uses a standard small form factor laptop hdd |
| 00:25.31 | Chestal | look at /var/log/kern.log and see if any USB errors appear there when you attach the drive |
| 00:25.41 | Chestal | USB 2.0 storage is sadly tricky |
| 00:27.00 | Chestal | if you get critical errors in the log, all I can advise is too put them into google, though |
| 00:27.10 | spldart | I'm going to re boot back into knoppix and try harder to get logged in. Hopefully when you see me next I will be in linux |
| 00:27.32 | Chestal | the mesasges should appear in 'dmesg' output, too |
| 00:27.52 | Chestal | is this with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:27.52 | Mr_Molez | remember useradd :p |
| 00:28.08 | spldart | useradd? |
| 00:28.17 | Mr_Molez | yeh to make an ordinary user |
| 00:28.21 | Mr_Molez | so u can get on irc |
| 00:28.28 | spldart | uhh |
| 00:28.30 | spldart | don't know how |
| 00:28.32 | spldart | livecd |
| 00:28.37 | blast007 | knoppix by default uses the 'root' user, which is like 'Administrator' on Windows |
| 00:28.42 | spldart | yeah |
| 00:29.10 | spldart | BRB hopefully |
| 00:29.12 | blast007 | it's a good idea to make a normal user that doesn't has as much power, as it's less likely to be exploited by holes in software |
| 00:29.20 | blast007 | (like IRC clients) |
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| 00:29.24 | Mr_Molez | useradd -u name -s /bin/bash |
| 00:29.32 | blast007 | heh |
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| 00:30.21 | Chestal | does'nt knoppix use a user 'knoppix' and do everything via sudo? but whatever, good night |
| 00:30.45 | blast007 | can't remember...haven't used it in like a year ;) |
| 00:33.04 | bzflagwiz | so when you log in as "knoppix", you can type sudo su - , and since the password is gonna be the same for all knoppix livecds... |
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| 00:34.39 | bzflagwiz | I'm not sure how having a normal user with a known password and the ability to sudo to root is any more secure than being root :) Unless it is to train people to not use the root user... |
| 00:35.15 | spldart | woo hoo |
| 00:35.17 | spldart | I'm back |
| 00:35.21 | spldart | linuxified |
| 00:35.27 | Mr_Molez | nyay |
| 00:35.31 | bzflagwiz | tuxified... :) |
| 00:35.35 | spldart | #knoppix |
| 00:35.48 | spldart | oopsy |
| 00:35.51 | Mr_Molez | did u not have to make a new user ? |
| 00:36.10 | spldart | no |
| 00:36.13 | bzflagwiz | I asked this earlier, but either no one was on, or no one knew the answer... |
| 00:36.14 | Mr_Molez | gr8 :) |
| 00:36.17 | bzflagwiz | Does anyone know if a working bzflag on windows can be compiled from the sources as they currently exist in cvs head? |
| 00:36.33 | Mr_Molez | yes i believe so bzflagwiz |
| 00:36.47 | Mr_Molez | dont ask me how though |
| 00:36.52 | wegstar | no... |
| 00:37.00 | Mr_Molez | really ? |
| 00:37.00 | wegstar | ~seen lan56 |
| 00:37.10 | ibot | lan56 <lan56@h-68-165-21-165.lsanca54.dynamic.covad.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 3d 23h 2m 25s ago, saying: 'sgk284, it works now so no'. |
| 00:37.42 | bzflagwiz | I compile ok, but when I run bzflag client, the screen resets a couple of times during GL initialization, then the client dies |
| 00:37.59 | wegstar | oh... nevermind hten :P |
| 00:38.05 | wegstar | then* |
| 00:38.28 | bzflagwiz | But I was able to compile AND run CVS from yesterday or 1.5 days ago... |
| 00:39.10 | blast007 | bzflagwiz: SDL build? |
| 00:39.40 | bzflagwiz | No - NonSDL - using mingw/msys |
| 00:41.27 | spldart | btw kernal 2.4 |
| 00:42.20 | bzflagwiz | Unfortunately there's not much debugging output for the client like there is in bzfs. I got the debug to tell me it (I think) finished GL initialization, but nothing after that... |
| 00:43.59 | JeffM2501 | what's mingw use for a debuger? |
| 00:44.36 | bzflagwiz | I'm not sure mingw even has a debugger... I think Dev-C++ does, but I've never really used it. |
| 00:45.01 | wegstar | yes, Dev-C++ has one |
| 00:45.08 | wegstar | but I have never used it before :P |
| 00:45.31 | bzflagwiz | Guess I'm about to learn... :) |
| 00:45.40 | JeffM2501 | what good is a compiler with no debuger? :) |
| 00:46.08 | spldart | Problem solved.. Knoppix didn't like the ntfs formated drive in the usb case. I put an old toshiba laptop drive that is formatted in fat32 in there and was able to mount is and change permissions no problem |
| 00:46.43 | Mr_Molez | i didnt think kernel 2.4 had support for ntfs |
| 00:46.55 | bzflagwiz | mingw is kinda like a mini linux distro that runs in memory and has hooks into windows... (I think) |
| 00:47.11 | JeffM2501 | mingw is a windows port of GCC |
| 00:47.13 | JeffM2501 | that is all |
| 00:47.21 | JeffM2501 | you are thinking of cygwin |
| 00:47.28 | JeffM2501 | it's a nixish shell dealie |
| 00:47.32 | spldart | It reads ide 0 just fine. |
| 00:47.43 | spldart | a WD Caviar 80 gig formated in ntfs |
| 00:49.04 | spldart | Although this cd does have the option in booting 2.6 kernal |
| 00:49.52 | spldart | hehe. Just copied bzflag from my c: to my portable drive :D I'm hooked up :D |
| 00:58.21 | spldart | I'm switching back to windoze now.. brb |
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| 01:06.47 | uso_w | hi |
| 01:06.59 | uso_w | how can i kill myself with a gm? |
| 01:07.40 | uso_w | just happened on a map without any enemy ;) |
| 01:12.43 | orange | uso_w: if the server owner has changed the gmactivation time too low (or if your lag/jitter is really high) then you can literally drive into your own gm as it comes out of your barrel |
| 01:13.11 | wegstar | yeah.. :( |
| 01:13.21 | wegstar | happens commonly |
| 01:13.32 | orange | the default setting should protect you fairly well, in almost all cases |
| 01:13.39 | orange | if someone changes it, your risk goes up |
| 01:13.54 | orange | the downside to the default setting is that someone too close to you will not be harmed by your missile either |
| 01:13.56 | uso_w | no, it has been on a local server, started from within bzflag |
| 01:14.41 | orange | no changes to setting? tank speed is default? |
| 01:15.02 | uso_w | it only may have been a teleporter, but i haven't seen a missile hitting me |
| 01:15.12 | uso_w | orange: all default |
| 01:15.52 | orange | well, then it is likely a slower system or some kind of pause (sometimes the system gets busy and the client freezes a bit) that caused it |
| 01:16.00 | orange | the slower the system, the more likely it will happen |
| 01:16.04 | orange | (from what I've been told) |
| 01:16.33 | uso_w | 2.4 GHz? ok, a slow GPU (intel onboard) |
| 01:16.49 | orange | and with the server running on the same machine |
| 01:17.02 | uso_w | have about 150 fps |
| 01:18.07 | uso_w | hmm, must have been a teleporter link, don't see any other explanation at the moment |
| 01:19.42 | uso_w | i'm firing GMs sensless all arount the map for minutes and could not reproduce it :) |
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| 01:21.32 | rabbit25 | 1 vs 1 anybody |
| 01:21.34 | rabbit25 | ? |
| 01:22.09 | rabbit25 | hmm |
| 01:22.19 | rabbit25 | anyone else somewhat alive? |
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| 01:24.26 | rabbit25 | anyone else somewhat alive? |
| 01:24.30 | rabbit25 | i guess not... |
| 01:24.43 | rabbit25 | ... |
| 01:25.12 | orange | uso_w: I'd still guess it was a brief system 'freeze' while firing a gm |
| 01:25.24 | orange | perhaps windows got busy doing something else for a moment |
| 01:25.35 | uso_w | ok, may be |
| 01:25.52 | uso_w | i'm anyway giving up now, could not reproduce it |
| 01:27.04 | rabbit25 | uso_w or orange: 1 vs 1 ??? |
| 01:27.11 | uso_w | i only was a bit surprized as i died with gm alone on a map :) |
| 01:28.32 | orange | yeah, it happened to me once too... it is shocking :-) |
| 01:29.48 | uso_w | i just test my first bzflag build on windows |
| 01:31.36 | uso_w | it has a fairly long startup time, does it try to get anything from the net before showing the startup screen? |
| 01:47.12 | cosmos | its busy installing spyware and adware |
| 01:47.33 | uso_w | lol |
| 01:47.55 | uso_w | can't, no network :) |
| 01:48.15 | cosmos | its written into the bzflag code check InstallAdWare.cxx |
| 01:49.09 | uso_w | must have miss to compile that |
| 01:49.54 | blast007 | I think that's just a known issue with teleporters...you can sometimes shoot yourself when teleporting |
| 01:50.22 | blast007 | and about the long wait: it's trying to load the MOTD from the bzflag site |
| 01:50.44 | blast007 | and if there is no network, then it waits for a timeout |
| 01:51.09 | uso_w | oops, does the linux version load this also? |
| 01:51.19 | blast007 | yeah |
| 01:51.24 | uso_w | never have seen a motd so far :) |
| 01:51.40 | blast007 | shows down in the message panel |
| 01:51.50 | blast007 | after the version stuff |
| 01:53.32 | uso_w | as you are just here blast007 ;) ... to make a windows installer i do need additional software? |
| 01:53.58 | uso_w | an installable version of bzflag |
| 01:54.06 | uso_w | i mean\ |
| 01:54.17 | blast007 | NSIS installer system |
| 01:54.56 | uso_w | ah, also on sf :) |
| 01:54.59 | blast007 | http://nsis.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:55.01 | blast007 | yup |
| 01:56.51 | blast007 | I think to use it you need to make a "dist" folder in the root of the bzflag source directory |
| 01:57.23 | blast007 | then you can run .\package\win32\installer_2.0.nsi |
| 01:58.04 | blast007 | I think, anyway ;) |
| 01:58.29 | blast007 | if that doesn't work, try: .\package\win32\nsis\BZFlag.nsi |
| 02:01.15 | JeffM2501 | the 2.0 one isn't horibly complete IIRC |
| 02:05.27 | uso_w | hi JeffM2501 |
| 02:05.49 | uso_w | windows compiles now, dbrosius has add a vc project file for ares |
| 02:06.27 | uso_w | but the vc project files at all are somewhat chaotic ;) |
| 02:06.43 | uso_w | would say there's a policy needed |
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| 02:07.53 | JeffM2501 | cool |
| 02:07.56 | JeffM2501 | a what? |
| 02:09.25 | uso_w | a guideline, e.g. where to put object files of each project file |
| 02:09.31 | JeffM2501 | a what? |
| 02:09.38 | uso_w | lol |
| 02:09.48 | uso_w | ok ok :) |
| 02:13.15 | JeffM2501 | that would involve orginisation and comunication |
| 02:13.25 | JeffM2501 | that is something this project sorely lacks |
| 02:15.56 | uso_w | surely a problem very special to this project ;) |
| 02:16.18 | uso_w | the installer 2.0 at least screws me something together |
| 02:18.27 | JeffM2501 | it's probably not complete |
| 02:18.29 | JeffM2501 | use the other one |
| 02:18.50 | uso_w | it's suspicious small |
| 02:18.55 | JeffM2501 | ? |
| 02:19.00 | JeffM2501 | 3 megs I think |
| 02:19.09 | uso_w | 1'760 KB |
| 02:19.11 | JeffM2501 | bzip2 is some good compresion :) |
| 02:19.12 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 02:19.24 | JeffM2501 | nsis is a very nice low footprint installer |
| 02:19.45 | JeffM2501 | one reasone we use it |
| 02:19.50 | JeffM2501 | instead of our old custom one |
| 02:22.06 | uso_w | BZFlag.nsi needs a vc runtime lib? has this to be delivered? |
| 02:22.31 | JeffM2501 | when building with vc7.1 yes |
| 02:22.43 | JeffM2501 | not all versions of windows have the VC7.1 runtimes |
| 02:22.50 | JeffM2501 | so we include it |
| 02:22.55 | JeffM2501 | to be safe |
| 02:23.15 | JeffM2501 | XP systems would be ok with out it |
| 02:23.23 | JeffM2501 | but the 9x's and probably NT and ME would not |
| 02:23.34 | uso_w | ok, the 2.0 version did not miss it |
| 02:23.44 | JeffM2501 | the 2.0 installer was never completed |
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| 02:23.50 | JeffM2501 | I was just playing with it |
| 02:23.56 | JeffM2501 | use it at your own risk |
| 02:24.39 | uso_w | was only a bit confused that there are two installers ;) |
| 02:24.48 | JeffM2501 | arn't there 3? |
| 02:24.52 | JeffM2501 | SDL and non SDL? |
| 02:24.55 | JeffM2501 | and 2.0? |
| 02:25.00 | blast007 | yeah |
| 02:25.05 | JeffM2501 | SDL is never used |
| 02:25.10 | JeffM2501 | not much point on windows |
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| 02:26.41 | uso_w | ah, just would have said that this one has an apparent reason :) |
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| 02:28.58 | spldart | :-) |
| 02:33.50 | uso_w | eek, has about 10 msvcr7.1 libs all around the disk |
| 02:34.20 | JeffM2501 | should not need that man |
| 02:34.22 | JeffM2501 | many |
| 02:34.27 | JeffM2501 | or go get one of our bins |
| 02:34.31 | JeffM2501 | and just copy those |
| 02:35.01 | uso_w | now there are 11 :) |
| 02:35.12 | uso_w | 9 of them seem to be the same |
| 02:35.28 | JeffM2501 | there are debug and non debug versions of each lib |
| 02:36.17 | uso_w | i took the one from windows\system32, should be no debug one |
| 02:37.58 | JeffM2501 | does it end in a "d" ? |
| 02:38.06 | JeffM2501 | vc puts both release and debug in the system folder |
| 02:38.13 | JeffM2501 | cus you run debug apps on dev systems :) |
| 02:38.57 | uso_w | oh |
| 02:39.05 | JeffM2501 | deubg ones end in "d" |
| 02:39.05 | uso_w | but no |
| 02:39.29 | uso_w | although the installer has 9MB now |
| 02:41.38 | uso_w | the official one has 7.8 MB |
| 02:41.48 | uso_w | hmm |
| 02:41.50 | JeffM2501 | you may have a debug in there |
| 02:42.59 | uso_w | it's the german versions fault ;) |
| 02:43.11 | uso_w | all texts are longer in german :) |
| 02:43.26 | JeffM2501 | posibly |
| 02:44.07 | uso_w | not really, and not in a compressed file |
| 02:47.58 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03jeffm2501 * 10bzflag/tools/modeltool/ (modeltool.cxx vc71/modeltool.vcproj): |
| 02:47.58 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: release build "stuff" |
| 02:47.58 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: Automagicly translate objects so they are not below Z 0.. |
| 02:50.42 | trepan | keepin' the dummies happy (s/fixes/hacks) |
| 02:51.00 | Aribeth | hi trepan |
| 02:51.14 | JeffM2501 | well since its' been a month and they can't seem to figure out how to MOVE an object in an editor |
| 02:51.43 | JeffM2501 | or aprearntly even how to drag a file |
| 02:51.44 | trepan | Aribeth: hello, vagabond to be :) |
| 02:51.57 | Aribeth | heh |
| 02:52.18 | Aribeth | word get around fast |
| 02:52.37 | JeffM2501 | is "the man" geting you down? |
| 02:53.03 | Aribeth | just the owners of the house i rent |
| 02:53.08 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 02:53.41 | Aribeth | got 60 days to move |
| 02:55.51 | cosmos | Baptist minister Wallace Hollings of Pensacola, FL issued a death sentence against the Bush family citing a vision from Christ. The vision came after a prayer vigil held for Terry Schiavo. |
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| 03:08.44 | amathis | cosmos: perfect person to lead a baptist church :D |
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| 03:10.43 | spldart | eek |
| 03:20.15 | fiberchunks__ | if you issue a death sentence on the Bush Family, doesn't that mean that you can get arrested for talking about killing the president? |
| 03:22.11 | fiberchunks | anyone of you own an ASUS A8N-SLI mobo? |
| 03:27.18 | cosmos | anyone else have bzadmin constantly segfault/coredump |
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| 04:37.41 | spldart | Bye all. Happy tanking :) |
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| 05:05.51 | wegstar | hey lan56 |
| 05:06.03 | lan56 | hey wegstar, what's up? |
| 05:06.49 | wegstar | did you piece together all the c-ares stuff for Dev-C++? |
| 05:10.26 | lan56 | yes |
| 05:10.41 | lan56 | I commited it right in front of you the other day :) |
| 05:12.14 | wegstar | oh... I don't see it.... |
| 05:12.16 | wegstar | wait.. |
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| 05:15.33 | lan56 | the files are in its own folder, "c-ares," in the file hierarchy |
| 05:15.41 | wegstar | o |
| 05:15.44 | wegstar | hmm |
| 05:16.15 | wegstar | ah.. now I see it.... |
| 05:16.46 | wegstar | errors : 44 \bzflag\src\common\bzfio.cxx [Warning] unused parameter 'micros' |
| 05:17.28 | lan56 | I oughta make it not use -Werr, doing that would fix that error |
| 05:18.00 | wegstar | k |
| 05:19.24 | lan56 | hmm, it seems to not even be in there. did you include any of your own command line options? |
| 05:19.27 | wegstar | "not use?" |
| 05:19.30 | wegstar | yeah.. |
| 05:19.32 | wegstar | nope |
| 05:19.42 | wegstar | I just included it and it worked... |
| 05:19.52 | wegstar | except : [Linker error] undefined reference to `ares_gettimeofday' |
| 05:20.14 | lan56 | I'm compiling it right now, let me check these errors out |
| 05:20.52 | wegstar | ah |
| 05:21.06 | wegstar | someone put ENTER after int |
| 05:21.19 | wegstar | or |
| 05:21.22 | wegstar | .. |
| 05:21.36 | wegstar | int |
| 05:21.38 | wegstar | ares_gettimeofday |
| 05:21.43 | wegstar | looks that that... |
| 05:22.06 | lan56 | are you sure you updated everything, and you didn't do any of your own modifications? it works good for me, I just updated too |
| 05:22.25 | wegstar | no.. removed all my changes... |
| 05:22.39 | wegstar | 34 \bzflag\src\c-ares\windows_port.c [Warning] unused variable `tzflag' |
| 05:22.49 | MeBigFatGuy | well that is only a warning |
| 05:22.58 | wegstar | oh... oops :) |
| 05:23.08 | lan56 | MeBigFatGuy is correct |
| 05:24.04 | wegstar | k, it works... |
| 05:24.59 | lan56 | it may spit out some warnings after it is done linking, but it compiled |
| 05:25.17 | wegstar | hmm.. doesn't run |
| 05:25.57 | lan56 | that is beyond my tech support ;) let me have a look |
| 05:28.22 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzadmin-pdcurses.dev bzadmin.dev bzflag.dev bzfs.dev): strip exectuables |
| 05:28.51 | lan56 | let me check if doing a clean compile does anything |
| 05:28.54 | lan56 | that sometimes works |
| 05:29.24 | wegstar | why? it didn't work? |
| 05:29.44 | wegstar | I recompiled it without warnings or errors but it still oes not run... |
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| 05:31.00 | lan56 | I'm lookin', I'm lookin' :) |
| 05:31.13 | wegstar | :) |
| 05:34.49 | lan56 | no, you are patient, I am just trying to remind you that I am still here, I know how it can be to chat with people and not know if they are truly there or not |
| 05:35.08 | lan56 | take AOL customer service for example :) |
| 05:35.08 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03lan56 * 10bzflag/Dev-C++/ (bzadmin-pdcurses.dev bzadmin.dev bzflag.dev bzfs.dev): don't be specific like that |
| 05:35.15 | wegstar | :) |
| 05:35.22 | lan56 | that may have fixed something, let me recompile |
| 05:35.57 | lan56 | in reality, I am making commits that contain no changes, I am just trying to make it look like I am doing something :) |
| 05:37.11 | wegstar | ah... there's plenty of people listening :P |
| 05:44.17 | lan56 | gotta restart, brb |
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| 05:47.59 | wegstar | @#$#$% |
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| 05:48.10 | Aribeth | oh oh |
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| 05:50.48 | lan56 | wegstar: back to compiling. my computer was going at a snails pace |
| 05:51.12 | wegstar | oh... too little RAM? :P |
| 05:51.28 | lan56 | too little everything, my computer is old |
| 05:52.40 | blast007 | hehe, try compiling bzflag on a P133 with 32MB of RAM ;) |
| 05:53.02 | wegstar | heh |
| 05:54.01 | Aribeth | OMG. better pack your lunch, and tomorrows breakfast for that matter |
| 05:54.20 | lan56 | blast007: how do you do it? how long does it take usually? |
| 05:54.40 | blast007 | took a few hours ;) |
| 05:54.47 | Aribeth | lol |
| 05:55.00 | blast007 | and it wasn't even compiling the client, just bzadmin and bzfs |
| 05:55.44 | wegstar | wow... |
| 05:55.57 | lan56 | how do you put up with it? do you use a different computer and leave one dedicated to compilation? |
| 05:56.30 | blast007 | yeah, it's just my spare computer |
| 05:56.45 | blast007 | running a minimal copy of Slackware |
| 05:56.49 | blast007 | ZipSlack |
| 05:59.19 | blast007 | the worst part, it only have 16MB of free space right now :) |
| 05:59.45 | Aribeth | wow. io have a pentium 233mmx gathering dust |
| 05:59.46 | blast007 | had to mount a Windows XP share and compile it on that |
| 06:00.03 | Aribeth | heh |
| 06:00.36 | Aribeth | i have a 486 dx2. only runs the old Ultima games |
| 06:00.43 | blast007 | hehehe |
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| 06:01.25 | wegstar | nsrry.. firefox updates |
| 06:01.38 | blast007 | I've got an 8086 10MHz (in turbo) that still runs |
| 06:01.53 | Aribeth | hehe |
| 06:01.57 | wegstar | ... |
| 06:02.22 | blast007 | lol |
| 06:02.33 | Aribeth | my second computer was a 286 with 2 15 mb droves i rebuilt |
| 06:02.59 | blast007 | yeah, that one has a whole 21MB hard drive, and 640KB of RAM |
| 06:03.53 | Aribeth | it would sound like a old WWII fighter plane when i started it up |
| 06:04.00 | blast007 | lol |
| 06:05.10 | lan56 | wegstar: almost done compiling |
| 06:05.18 | wegstar | k |
| 06:08.04 | Aribeth | i had a 386 that i had to single step a program i wrote. it took about 2-4 minutes for 1 step |
| 06:09.03 | blast007 | :) |
| 06:09.46 | orange | anybody use bzadmin for unattended running of commands on a server? |
| 06:10.07 | orange | like, connect, run a /command, then disconnect? |
| 06:12.04 | orange | the man page says if you provide a command on the command line, it will connect, run it, then disconnect. I don't find that to work. It starts the UI anyway. |
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| 06:15.28 | lan56 | darn: \mingw32\bin\ld.exe: BFD 2.15.91 20040904 internal error, aborting at ../../src/bfd/coffcode.h line 852 in handle_COMDAT |
| 06:15.45 | lan56 | I can't fix that |
| 06:17.42 | orchid | orange: I have a script that does that |
| 06:18.00 | orange | orchid: does your bzadmin exit after running the command? |
| 06:18.05 | orchid | yeah |
| 06:18.57 | orange | I used: bzadmin orange:password@hepcat.org:5154 "/say test" |
| 06:19.13 | orange | it does work, it does the /say command, but then it just leaves an open bzadmin |
| 06:21.10 | orchid | http://bzgirl.bzflag.org/pub/C/test/uptime.sh.html |
| 06:23.03 | orange | interesting, you don't use the command-line parameters to send commands... I'll try yours |
| 06:24.29 | orchid | you might need to fix the server version "grep BZFS0026 " not sure if thats used now |
| 06:25.34 | orchid | hmm, someone here recently offered to patch bzadmin to allow it to do command stuff, but I forgot who |
| 06:26.24 | orange | your way works, once you fiddle with the timing... thanks! |
| 06:26.40 | Pimpinella | tried it too, my bzadmin stays open too |
| 06:26.40 | orange | the documented way would be nicer, but isn't quite working yet |
| 06:27.11 | orange | I ended up doing: ( sleep 15; echo "/say test" ; sleep 5 ; echo "/quit" ) | bzadmin -ui stdboth orange:password@hepcat.org:5154 |
| 06:27.25 | Pimpinella | ic |
| 06:27.31 | orchid | 15 should be plenty :) |
| 06:27.43 | orange | orchid, 10 was too short :-/ -- global logins aren't zippy |
| 06:28.22 | blast007 | bzadmin orange:password@hepcat.org:5154 "/say test" "/quit" |
| 06:28.37 | orange | blast007: I think I tried that one, but I'll try again |
| 06:28.48 | blast007 | just tried it, and it works for me |
| 06:29.19 | orange | hmmm yeah, it did |
| 06:29.26 | orange | I think when I tried it before I'd specified a UI |
| 06:29.30 | blast007 | ah |
| 06:29.36 | blast007 | could be |
| 06:30.21 | orange | well, whatever, it works that way too... not quite the documented way, but still good |
| 06:32.07 | orchid | http://nekothekitty.keenspace.com/comics/20030129.gif |
| 06:32.31 | orange | ~orchid++ |
| 06:32.34 | orange | ~blast007++ |
| 06:32.39 | orange | thanks folks |
| 06:32.47 | blast007 | np :) |
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| 06:36.42 | blast007 | orchid: that site must have hotlink protection |
| 06:36.45 | blast007 | http://nekothekitty.keenspace.com/d/20030129.html |
| 06:37.54 | orchid | what is hotlink protection? |
| 06:38.04 | blast007 | prevents directly linking to images and stuff |
| 06:38.13 | orchid | oh I see |
| 06:38.20 | blast007 | I was just getting a 1 by 1 pixel image instead of the comic |
| 06:43.39 | blast007 | hmm, my server is shutting down when it auto-ghosts a player off |
| 06:43.59 | blast007 | Player blast [0] removed at 2005-03-25 00:53:22: Ghost |
| 06:43.59 | blast007 | Shutting down server: uptime 1 min, 2 secs |
| 06:44.28 | blast007 | ah, think I know why |
| 06:48.47 | blast007 | I have it set up to serve one game and exit, and my bzadmin client was the only one connected at the time |
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| 08:31.29 | brlcad | mmm.. |
| 08:32.19 | orange | as a fellow eastern-time-zoner, I have to say, it's late |
| 08:33.18 | orange | so off to bed... g'night all |
| 08:33.53 | brlcad | nite nite orangy |
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| 08:39.29 | LePoulpe303 | Hi all ! |
| 08:40.12 | LePoulpe303 | i installed Fedora FC3 ; i tried to play bzflag installed with it (version 1.10 i think) and app is very slooooooooooooow |
| 08:40.29 | LePoulpe303 | i suspect that it ignores my video card |
| 08:40.38 | brlcad | LePoulpe303: twiddle with your graphics options? |
| 08:40.48 | brlcad | make sure depth buffer is turned ON (default is OFF) |
| 08:41.05 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad : bzflag works at 1024* on the same pc under windows totally wmoothly |
| 08:41.28 | brlcad | turn your resolution down, it'll use your current resolution by default -- which is usually too high for gaming |
| 08:41.50 | brlcad | are you trying it at 1024* |
| 08:41.59 | LePoulpe303 | same thing at 800* |
| 08:42.22 | LePoulpe303 | somethinhg strange even navigating in menu is slow |
| 08:42.38 | LePoulpe303 | i'll install version 2 ASAP |
| 08:43.03 | brlcad | yeah, try 2, if it's opengl related 2 should help |
| 08:43.25 | brlcad | in general, though, 2 requires more resources than 1.10 did |
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| 08:46.11 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad ; yes but , except that if linux is really less powerful than WinXP, on XP i run it in 1024 without any problem |
| 08:46.19 | LePoulpe303 | (version 2) |
| 08:47.04 | LePoulpe303 | is it easy to upgrade to version 2 (i'm a newbie on linux) |
| 08:51.03 | wegstar | night all |
| 08:51.13 | fant | have youi night? |
| 08:54.09 | fant | bye all, cu at bzflag! :D |
| 08:55.40 | brlcad | LePoulpe303: it wouldn't be "less powerful" .. it'd just be either a bzflag or driver bug more likely |
| 08:55.54 | brlcad | more likely a driver bug |
| 08:57.50 | LePoulpe303 | brlcad : hmmm to be frank i use ATI Radeon 9500 driver for my 9550 ..... but when i saw procedure to install correct driver , i almost fall from my chair |
| 09:05.01 | brlcad | ahh.. there's his name ... Dominic Giampaolo |
| 09:06.52 | brlcad | ooh, sweet.. he works for apple now |
| 09:06.53 | _Manu_ | brlcad, hola! aún despiert? :) |
| 09:06.59 | brlcad | yup |
| 09:07.17 | _Manu_ | despierto... :) |
| 09:07.40 | _Manu_ | yo estoy aún medio dormido :) |
| 09:07.48 | brlcad | jeje |
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| 10:08.13 | bz6482 | ~bzfquery bzflag.dracos.org:5154 |
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| 10:22.09 | bz6945 | Anyone around? |
| 10:24.51 | bz6945 | Does it take some time for a new server to show up on the server list? |
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| 10:41.11 | fant | anyone from Jr.DUB??? |
| 10:53.59 | fant | hek |
| 10:54.05 | fant | hello??? |
| 10:54.14 | fant | anyone from Jr.DUB??? |
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| 11:39.44 | claint_ | how do you become rogue? |
| 11:43.24 | claint_ | nm |
| 11:49.16 | Pimpinella | how can i get focus from a windowed bzflag to another window? |
| 11:52.04 | Pimpinella | how can i get focus from a windowed bzflag to another window? |
| 11:52.17 | _Manu_ | in options.. input settins. confine mouse: no |
| 11:52.29 | _Manu_ | then can change the focus |
| 11:52.57 | _Manu_ | s/settins/stettings |
| 11:54.48 | _Manu_ | and for the second question.. goto three lines up ;) |
| 11:57.40 | _Manu_ | Pimpinella, got it? |
| 12:01.44 | Pimpinella | ty _Manu_ |
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| 12:02.08 | Pimpinella | read it some times before, but couldn't register |
| 12:02.18 | Pimpinella | s/registerremember |
| 12:02.27 | Pimpinella | somewhat confused today |
| 12:02.49 | _Manu_ | :) |
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| 13:06.38 | nixdepp | anyone knows where is overlord? |
| 13:06.52 | trepan | look up |
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| 13:57.07 | Pimpinella | trepan: still around? |
| 13:58.15 | Pimpinella | or tupone ? |
| 13:58.28 | Pimpinella | need somebody with more skill than i have |
| 14:03.07 | tupone | I don't have, but you can ask |
| 14:05.55 | brlcad | buona sera tupone |
| 14:06.29 | tupone | hole brlcad |
| 14:06.34 | tupone | hola I meant |
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| 14:23.06 | jomojo | brlcad, i noticed something of a bug |
| 14:23.32 | jomojo | or anyone else for that matter |
| 14:24.33 | jomojo | when a team accidentally captures its own flag, it doesn't properly register for both teams, giving scores that don't add up. Normally no big deal, but could be an issue for ctf matches or league play |
| 14:24.54 | jomojo | luckily found out in fun match |
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| 15:53.45 | bzflagwiz_ | . |
| 16:12.25 | menotume | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:37.43 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzflag/playing.cxx: |
| 16:37.44 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: MsgTimeUpdate sends timeLeft as int32_t |
| 16:37.44 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: Don't send a capture message to observers on /countdown |
| 16:38.15 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03pimpinella * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: |
| 16:38.15 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: MsgTimeUpdate sends timeLeft as int32_t |
| 16:38.15 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: Don't send a capture message to observers on /countdown |
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| 17:25.46 | orange | hey, very cool... you can use unmute to give a voice to a player who didn't originally have it due to his permission level |
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| 17:27.33 | Tupone | * February 23, 2004 |
| 17:27.34 | Tupone | - Removed ares_free_errmem(), the function, the file and the man page. It was |
| 17:27.34 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.49 | Tupone | s/readme/CHANGEs/ |
| 17:28.04 | JeffM2501 | Tupone, is the only reason you are including the source for windows? |
| 17:28.09 | JeffM2501 | or do other OSs need it? |
| 17:28.57 | Tupone | Linux gentoo does not need, I have on emerge. I get that DTR want the tree in, with the full libcurl to build it. So yes. It is only for windows |
| 17:29.43 | JeffM2501 | then I'd rather just build it seperate and distro it as a binary lib |
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| 17:29.49 | JeffM2501 | most of us use a binary libcurl |
| 17:29.52 | JeffM2501 | we don't build our own |
| 17:30.31 | Tupone | that is better, we can release a binary dll (?) for a libcurl ares-enabled. I need ares too instead of adns |
| 17:30.41 | Tupone | or a library |
| 17:30.49 | JeffM2501 | I'm beting our libcurl is allready ares enabled |
| 17:30.56 | JeffM2501 | we don't need a DLL to use a lib |
| 17:31.02 | JeffM2501 | we can make a static link lib |
| 17:31.04 | Tupone | DTR said not |
| 17:31.15 | Tupone | about libcurl ares enabled |
| 17:31.20 | JeffM2501 | HIS isn't |
| 17:31.24 | JeffM2501 | cus he builds his own |
| 17:31.28 | Tupone | ah |
| 17:31.31 | JeffM2501 | I get mine from the libcurl people |
| 17:31.38 | JeffM2501 | I'm beting there's is |
| 17:31.50 | JeffM2501 | I think we should make and post a "windows library" kit |
| 17:31.57 | Tupone | I need a library with libcurl ares enabled and ares |
| 17:32.05 | JeffM2501 | that has a binary ares link lib ( static ) and a libcurl dll and lib |
| 17:32.37 | JeffM2501 | ether that or we just pull out the ares things we need and put it in libNet |
| 17:32.38 | Tupone | and I'm glad to remove c-ares source tree from bzflag |
| 17:32.47 | Tupone | I'd like to remove zlib tree too :) |
| 17:32.51 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:33.01 | JeffM2501 | we could provide a prebuilt zlib too |
| 17:33.13 | trepan | regex? |
| 17:33.15 | JeffM2501 | we just put source in the kit as well for thoose whow ant to build em |
| 17:33.17 | Tupone | cause we don't mantain any of it |
| 17:33.20 | JeffM2501 | any of it |
| 17:33.27 | JeffM2501 | anything that is a package on nux |
| 17:33.29 | JeffM2501 | nix |
| 17:33.33 | JeffM2501 | we can put into a lib kid |
| 17:33.34 | JeffM2501 | kit |
| 17:33.52 | JeffM2501 | and I can make the project search /win32/libs first for the binary link libs |
| 17:34.01 | JeffM2501 | then we jsut provide a zip file with release and debug versions |
| 17:34.02 | Tupone | for libcurl/c-ares the license allows us |
| 17:34.18 | Tupone | dunno for zlib and regex |
| 17:34.29 | JeffM2501 | if they allow us to put the source in |
| 17:34.35 | JeffM2501 | they will allow us to package it as a lib |
| 17:34.46 | JeffM2501 | at that point it's just how we chose to get it to the boulders |
| 17:34.49 | JeffM2501 | builders |
| 17:34.54 | JeffM2501 | we'll have source too |
| 17:34.56 | JeffM2501 | of course |
| 17:35.07 | JeffM2501 | in the library zip |
| 17:35.17 | Tupone | ah ok |
| 17:35.24 | JeffM2501 | it's a very common way to do it these days |
| 17:35.27 | Tupone | but not in CVS ? |
| 17:35.34 | JeffM2501 | no no, not in CVS |
| 17:35.37 | JeffM2501 | we don't ever change it |
| 17:35.46 | Tupone | ok, I agree on that |
| 17:35.52 | JeffM2501 | it would be posted as a "build" on the SF download |
| 17:36.00 | JeffM2501 | we could then update it as needed |
| 17:36.28 | Tupone | and the script to build those? where we archive those ? |
| 17:36.37 | Tupone | within the source zip |
| 17:36.41 | trepan | debian doesn't seem to have c-ares |
| 17:36.43 | JeffM2501 | in the source part of the zip |
| 17:36.43 | JeffM2501 | yeah |
| 17:36.52 | JeffM2501 | each lib has it's own build system allready |
| 17:37.07 | JeffM2501 | it's an external library each builder is responsible for geting it |
| 17:37.19 | JeffM2501 | maybe we also make a dpkg for debian for it |
| 17:37.46 | trepan | debian libcurl doesn't have c-ares either, iirc |
| 17:38.05 | JeffM2501 | if we have to make build scripts for them, then I say we do put those in cvs, but not in the bzflag tree, in a new "extras" tree outside of bzflag |
| 17:38.13 | Tupone | neither gentoo libcurl, but I can try to provide an ebuild |
| 17:38.25 | JeffM2501 | the other thing is, why use ares and libcurl on windows? |
| 17:38.32 | JeffM2501 | we have OS functions that can do it all |
| 17:38.42 | JeffM2501 | do they buy us anything? |
| 17:39.22 | Tupone | what happen on linux is that a timeout on dns resolving is too long, and SIGALRM seems to break bzflag |
| 17:39.32 | JeffM2501 | what happens on windows? |
| 17:39.43 | Tupone | I dunno about resolver call |
| 17:39.48 | JeffM2501 | maybe we should move the URL manager into platform |
| 17:39.53 | JeffM2501 | and let each plat handle it |
| 17:39.59 | JeffM2501 | as part of it's own messageing system |
| 17:40.19 | JeffM2501 | on windows we have IE provided internet connection services |
| 17:40.30 | JeffM2501 | that take proxy servers and stuff into account |
| 17:40.49 | Tupone | I'm going to move libcurl to the async way to not stop rendering while waiting for files |
| 17:40.59 | JeffM2501 | that'd be good |
| 17:41.13 | JeffM2501 | I'd move it into platform at that time and abstract it all as one async URL manager |
| 17:41.24 | JeffM2501 | then each OS could implmenet it in it's best way |
| 17:41.51 | Tupone | libcurl should work on windows too, so why new code to handle? |
| 17:42.06 | Tupone | unless is bugged |
| 17:42.15 | JeffM2501 | could say the same thing about libcurl, windows can handle it, why libcurl |
| 17:42.29 | JeffM2501 | libcurl dosn't take into account any proxysetings that may be set on the OS |
| 17:42.33 | JeffM2501 | windows code does |
| 17:42.40 | JeffM2501 | so in that case curl has less features |
| 17:42.45 | Tupone | could not says the same, unless you find a windows port on lunix |
| 17:43.00 | JeffM2501 | this is why I say put it in platform |
| 17:43.08 | JeffM2501 | to get best performance on each OS, you need difrent code |
| 17:43.29 | JeffM2501 | why force least common denominator |
| 17:43.42 | JeffM2501 | it's like an SDL build on windows, it's kidna pointless |
| 17:43.54 | JeffM2501 | since it jsut calls directX, the same way basic BZ does |
| 17:44.02 | Tupone | We do not maintain SDL |
| 17:44.17 | JeffM2501 | on windows we don't even use it |
| 17:44.27 | JeffM2501 | since it dosn't provide all the features we want |
| 17:44.42 | JeffM2501 | we don't maintain libcurl or windows IE components ether :) |
| 17:44.59 | Tupone | if we move on adding request to the SDL guys, we could use SDL on all platform |
| 17:45.19 | JeffM2501 | true |
| 17:45.25 | JeffM2501 | but is SDL allways the best? |
| 17:45.34 | JeffM2501 | what if another thing comes out |
| 17:45.38 | JeffM2501 | like an xbox port |
| 17:45.51 | JeffM2501 | I'm thinking long term |
| 17:45.54 | JeffM2501 | I know your in the now |
| 17:46.33 | Tupone | and you says SDL will not have an xbox port .... |
| 17:46.42 | JeffM2501 | they may they may not |
| 17:46.45 | Tupone | and you are not going to use openGL |
| 17:46.46 | JeffM2501 | I'm just thowing out concepts |
| 17:46.56 | JeffM2501 | yeah we could have to not use GL |
| 17:47.06 | JeffM2501 | so the better our internal abstractions are, the easer ports are |
| 17:47.29 | Tupone | and having people mantain code on all platform :/ |
| 17:47.40 | ruskie | <-- is wondering what this discussion is about |
| 17:47.41 | JeffM2501 | well if we DO it right it's not that bad :) |
| 17:47.48 | JeffM2501 | code design ruskie |
| 17:48.09 | JeffM2501 | if we make it modular enoguh we make a SDL backend that is used for most of the platforms |
| 17:48.22 | JeffM2501 | then just the ones that need to be difrent are difrent in just the ways that they need to |
| 17:48.24 | Tupone | I'd base the code over a different layer then, possibly already built |
| 17:48.25 | JeffM2501 | modularity |
| 17:48.44 | JeffM2501 | are you saying you'd redo it all? |
| 17:49.03 | ruskie | hmm sounds interesting |
| 17:49.10 | JeffM2501 | I'm just sugesting that if your going to go and redo the curl stuff may as well make it a nice modular class at the same time |
| 17:49.15 | Tupone | like the BZFLAG3D you are doing ? |
| 17:49.36 | JeffM2501 | redoing it all at once is no small task |
| 17:49.43 | Tupone | ahh just for libcurl ... |
| 17:49.48 | JeffM2501 | you've said you are somewhat against a rewrites |
| 17:49.58 | JeffM2501 | so I'm sugesting doing it in small parts |
| 17:50.02 | JeffM2501 | yes jsut with libcurl now |
| 17:50.10 | JeffM2501 | then do each one at when it needs changes |
| 17:50.22 | JeffM2501 | then if we need/want to redo the windows backend, we have the hooks |
| 17:51.02 | JeffM2501 | just trying to think for the future :) |
| 17:51.59 | Tupone | if we need to stay in the "single thread" solution it is little hard |
| 17:52.42 | Tupone | thinking at a general purpose, hookable way |
| 17:54.22 | Tupone | I hope that single threaded "mandatory" will decay at some time |
| 17:55.06 | JeffM2501 | I think you can be modular and still single threaded |
| 17:55.32 | JeffM2501 | I think that being modular and single threaded makes it easyer to go multi threaded when the time finaly comes |
| 17:55.49 | JeffM2501 | honestly, if that limit was removed rignt now, the code would be a mess if somoeone threw in threads |
| 17:55.58 | JeffM2501 | since the code is so intermixed |
| 17:56.08 | JeffM2501 | it needs to be cleaned and spereated for that ANYWAY |
| 17:56.14 | JeffM2501 | so why not start it now :) |
| 17:56.53 | Tupone | now file access is intermixed with code. I need to clean and make a state machine for handling it :( |
| 17:57.15 | JeffM2501 | same for input |
| 17:57.16 | Tupone | even printf should be handled async :/ |
| 17:57.18 | JeffM2501 | same for sound |
| 17:57.21 | JeffM2501 | same for graphics |
| 17:57.24 | JeffM2501 | some for it all |
| 17:57.32 | JeffM2501 | we need a solid archetecture |
| 17:57.44 | JeffM2501 | sadly to make any form of archetecture we need a plan |
| 17:57.48 | JeffM2501 | and a plan means comunication |
| 17:57.59 | JeffM2501 | and sticking to the plan |
| 17:58.11 | JeffM2501 | there are a lot of people who just go off on there own and implement stuff |
| 17:58.41 | JeffM2501 | with the G3d thing I was just trying to lay out a more modular framework |
| 17:59.01 | JeffM2501 | so that when people went off an just did stuff, the code iself lends to makeing modules |
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| 18:01.45 | Tupone | However, I want to avoid the bzflag lock (kill -9) for a timed out request |
| 18:02.03 | JeffM2501 | hence why I say move it into platform |
| 18:02.10 | JeffM2501 | we allerady have our message loops there |
| 18:02.14 | JeffM2501 | it seems like a good place |
| 18:02.25 | JeffM2501 | tie it into the messaging system |
| 18:02.38 | Tupone | the resolver calls just stop waiting for the DNS resolving |
| 18:02.43 | Tupone | unless I put c-ares in |
| 18:02.52 | JeffM2501 | we could handle our own timeouts |
| 18:03.07 | JeffM2501 | put in a que of pending DNS requests |
| 18:03.18 | JeffM2501 | and reutrn an error message to who ever wanted it |
| 18:03.20 | Tupone | but the glibc calls do not return before they own timeout |
| 18:03.42 | JeffM2501 | ok then use ares in platform |
| 18:03.42 | Tupone | so on way to exit. SIGALRM seem worst |
| 18:03.51 | JeffM2501 | make it a nice deriveable class :) |
| 18:03.59 | JeffM2501 | that can be used in any of the platofrms :) |
| 18:04.16 | JeffM2501 | heck make ares be the base class |
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| 18:04.25 | JeffM2501 | then if we want aditional functionality we can derive from there |
| 18:04.35 | Tupone | now we have AresHandler in src/net |
| 18:04.59 | Tupone | prolly need to extend it |
| 18:05.04 | JeffM2501 | well don't get me started about net :) |
| 18:05.11 | JeffM2501 | it's #defed to hell with winsock |
| 18:05.32 | JeffM2501 | I'd have made winsock and berkly sockets be difrent classes from a base class |
| 18:05.41 | JeffM2501 | but Im kooky like that |
| 18:06.38 | Tupone | I'd just wait ares to be buildable on all platform before continuing to work on it. Don't want to revert back a lot of change, in case |
| 18:07.11 | Tupone | while I'm thinking at what to mess next :) |
| 18:08.51 | Tupone | cause you think I'm a good guy :) |
| 18:12.41 | orchid | ciao Tupone |
| 18:12.49 | Tupone | ciao :) |
| 18:14.35 | brlcad | Tupone is a good guy |
| 18:14.42 | Tupone | hehe |
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| 18:18.15 | JeffM2501 | you are a good guy |
| 18:18.19 | JeffM2501 | you do good things |
| 18:18.30 | JeffM2501 | I just thing we need to all be more organised |
| 18:18.53 | trepan | quit bitchin, and do it :) |
| 18:19.00 | JeffM2501 | been trying to |
| 18:19.04 | JeffM2501 | motivation = low |
| 18:19.12 | trepan | capisco |
| 18:19.19 | JeffM2501 | huh? |
| 18:19.43 | trepan | means "gotcha" |
| 18:19.58 | trepan | (or so Tupone has taught me) |
| 18:20.06 | JeffM2501 | still don't get the refrence |
| 18:20.14 | JeffM2501 | but then I also haven't eaten today |
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| 18:38.37 | JeffM2501 | if it's a meal why would it be called a "meal replacement"? |
| 18:39.16 | menotume | lol JeffM2501 |
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| 18:39.54 | menotume | sounds like a 'Carlinism' |
| 18:41.08 | JeffM2501 | mmmm roast beast |
| 18:41.12 | a_monkey | i switched from yellow dog linux to fedora core. i needed to build bzflag again, obviously. i did, and when i tried to run bz, i got: "libGL error: open DRM failed (Operation not permitted); libGL error: reverting to (slow) indirect rendering" |
| 18:41.26 | a_monkey | can anybody help? |
| 18:41.53 | JeffM2501 | you don't have hardware drivers for your card |
| 18:42.02 | JeffM2501 | the openGL init call failed |
| 18:42.06 | a_monkey | oh |
| 18:42.18 | JeffM2501 | just like the error message said |
| 18:42.33 | a_monkey | hrm... |
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| 18:42.53 | a_monkey | no hardware drivers? |
| 18:43.31 | JeffM2501 | you tell us |
| 18:43.34 | JeffM2501 | what did you install? |
| 18:43.36 | JeffM2501 | what card do you have? |
| 18:43.44 | a_monkey | uhm, radeon 9200 |
| 18:43.55 | JeffM2501 | X usualy dosn't come with real hardware drivers for any card |
| 18:44.02 | JeffM2501 | DRI is the closest |
| 18:44.09 | JeffM2501 | you on PPC? |
| 18:44.12 | a_monkey | that's what i'm using |
| 18:44.13 | a_monkey | yes |
| 18:44.15 | ruskie | dri or ati-driver for that card |
| 18:44.21 | ruskie | ahh so dri only for it then |
| 18:44.26 | a_monkey | i'm using a dri driver |
| 18:44.28 | ruskie | go to dri.fs.net |
| 18:44.34 | ruskie | erm sf even |
| 18:44.37 | JeffM2501 | yeah sounds like your DRI is buggy |
| 18:44.40 | JeffM2501 | upgrade it |
| 18:44.53 | JeffM2501 | but then DRI is allways a little bugy |
| 18:45.04 | JeffM2501 | and your not Using OSX why? |
| 18:45.05 | ruskie | <-- is doing just that upgraded the ati_driver and it seems to have broken so now seeing if r9250 will work on dri... |
| 18:45.44 | a_monkey | JeffM2501: don't feel like booting up in osx just for bz. i hardly ever use osx |
| 18:45.52 | JeffM2501 | ahh |
| 18:45.59 | JeffM2501 | well then have fun with your bugy drivers :) |
| 18:45.59 | a_monkey | but i guess if i can't play in linux, it's my only choice |
| 18:46.19 | JeffM2501 | install mesa |
| 18:46.22 | JeffM2501 | run in software |
| 18:46.38 | JeffM2501 | it's not linux that is the problem |
| 18:46.41 | JeffM2501 | it's your drivers |
| 18:46.46 | JeffM2501 | exactly like the error said |
| 18:46.49 | a_monkey | i know... |
| 18:46.53 | bryjen | mesa comes with X. he's getting software 3d as is |
| 18:47.05 | JeffM2501 | then there should be no problem |
| 18:47.12 | a_monkey | weird. |
| 18:47.14 | JeffM2501 | it just won't be as fast |
| 18:48.26 | a_monkey | wait a minute - so how do i use mesa instead of the dri driver? |
| 18:48.33 | bryjen | you may check the log file the X server makes, ( maybe in /var/log Xorg.0.log or XFree86.0.log ) for more clues |
| 18:49.14 | bryjen | mesa and dri work together. and they both come with XFree86 and Xorg |
| 18:50.01 | JeffM2501 | if the dri GL init fails it should just dump down to software |
| 18:50.05 | JeffM2501 | that's what the message says |
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| 19:02.57 | brlcad | howdy Quol |
| 19:03.12 | Quol | hey there learner - long time.... |
| 19:03.41 | Quol | you at work I guess? |
| 19:07.15 | brlcad | yup |
| 19:09.19 | menotume | Quol is attached ! |
| 19:09.27 | menotume | how's yer arm ? |
| 19:09.37 | *** part/#bzflag a_monkey (~thechimp@user-0can32u.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 19:10.18 | Quol | hey meno - the arm's a bit better - although it goes "click-click" when I try and raise it up...still in physio |
| 19:10.28 | menotume | ahhh |
| 19:10.37 | menotume | don't raise it then |
| 19:10.39 | menotume | :) |
| 19:10.41 | Quol | lol |
| 19:11.33 | Quol | will try not to :) |
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| 19:17.14 | Cobra_ | is it normal when they shoot there team members? |
| 19:18.41 | orchid | Cobra_: no its usually not a good thing |
| 19:18.43 | menotume | Cobra_: if it's occasional, yes - mistakes happen |
| 19:18.55 | menotume | if it's frequesnt - could be a problem :) |
| 19:19.13 | Cobra_ | even if you warn them! |
| 19:19.39 | menotume | usually, you need to observer them to see if it's deliberate ... |
| 19:20.00 | menotume | sometimes they may not understand you, or they are newbies |
| 19:20.04 | trepan | cosmos: kinda rude saying that I'm cheating on a public server, no? |
| 19:20.25 | menotume | trepan: are you cheating AGAIN? :P |
| 19:20.53 | Cobra_ | well i was more then one's in the neberhoud if him, and hi shoot |
| 19:21.08 | trepan | never have, and don't take kindly to false accusations |
| 19:22.28 | Cobra_ | ok, then i see it as an mistake. Bud if it happens again Ill kick him! |
| 19:31.31 | menotume | trepan, i was kidding |
| 19:34.05 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: no anonymous messages |
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| 19:40.04 | menotume | bummer - was hoping it would be anon |
| 19:41.00 | trepan | the irony |
| 19:41.14 | menotume | :) |
| 19:41.50 | orchid | what was the intent of /say? I mean what do you gain as opposed to the admin msging someone? |
| 19:42.14 | orchid | its more official seeing [SERVER->]? |
| 19:42.19 | trepan | a more noticeable message, with inferred authority |
| 19:42.30 | orange | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.36 | orchid | hmm, I guess |
| 19:43.01 | orange | it's what I was trying to use bzadmin for last night, orchid |
| 19:43.06 | menotume | oh, so admin only? |
| 19:43.06 | Chestal | yes, I have been using it for server restart messages only so far |
| 19:43.15 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.18 | orange | no, it goes to everyone |
| 19:44.09 | orchid | trepan: I'm thinking /server would be good for /server ducati.bzflag.org:5155 |
| 19:44.27 | orchid | and off you go, sort of thing |
| 19:44.46 | trepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.03 | menotume | orchid: nice - esp with keyborad shortcuts |
| 19:45.17 | Cobra_ | some message and blow everyone up? |
| 19:45.24 | menotume | or... /connect for the /server |
| 19:45.44 | orchid | yeah, and message where youve gone, so other players can follow if its match |
| 19:45.49 | trepan | or, in keeping with an irc theme, /join |
| 19:45.56 | menotume | yup |
| 19:46.00 | orchid | trepan: yes :) |
| 19:46.10 | orchid | well irc has /server |
| 19:46.24 | Cobra_ | every server has |
| 19:48.36 | Cobra_ | why not start a ghost server? and put every one there until restart. |
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| 19:50.23 | spldart | My server is busy :eek: |
| 19:51.26 | spldart | Jack the Ripper is owning it right now hehe |
| 19:56.19 | spldart | What does [admin] server: Kicking player Kedamona Endshot credit 3 Mean? |
| 19:58.31 | bryjen | its one of the cheat detection routines. it thinks that player was sending suspicious EndShot messages |
| 19:58.55 | orange | it seems to be over-aggressive, and not considering all possible reasons that it could happen |
| 20:01.06 | cosmos | yeah |
| 20:01.11 | cosmos | i got alot of complaints on it |
| 20:02.20 | spldart | IC |
| 20:02.53 | spldart | Endshot means they were doing something to the shot that was advantages to them... Assuming it wasn't a false alarm |
| 20:03.23 | spldart | woah... tybreaker got kicked to for the same reason |
| 20:03.40 | brlcad | set the warning to 5 |
| 20:03.44 | spldart | neither I nor any of my kids have been kicked off it yet :( |
| 20:03.48 | spldart | How do I do that? |
| 20:04.02 | spldart | with /set? |
| 20:04.28 | brlcad | that'll work or with the command line option so that it's used every time the server restarts |
| 20:05.23 | spldart | Ok |
| 20:05.26 | spldart | set to 5 |
| 20:05.45 | spldart | can I include endshotdetect in the .conf or the map? |
| 20:06.44 | brlcad | yeah |
| 20:07.02 | spldart | sweet |
| 20:07.03 | brlcad | in the .conf via a the vars file |
| 20:07.13 | spldart | ic |
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| 20:07.52 | spldart | I'm really pushing hard to learn linux well enough to go ahead and build my server with it. I really would like global to work so I can set up so only registered users can play. |
| 20:08.14 | bryjen | you can "-set variable value" in the conf file. |
| 20:11.31 | spldart | Can you give me an example to put in my .conf file real quick? |
| 20:12.17 | brlcad | he just did |
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| 20:13.22 | brlcad | -set _endShotDetection "5" |
| 20:13.29 | brlcad | -set _endShotDetection "500" |
| 20:14.00 | bryjen | does it need the qoutes around a number? |
| 20:14.20 | brlcad | probably not, shouldn't hurt |
| 20:14.41 | trepan | only need quotes for strings with spaces, iirc |
| 20:16.30 | spldart | It needs the quotes around the numeral? |
| 20:16.39 | spldart | ic |
| 20:16.55 | trepan | spldart: consensus is that it doesn't |
| 20:17.27 | spldart | sweet |
| 20:17.44 | Cobra_ | the man page says no quotes |
| 20:18.57 | Cobra_ | do you main commanline vars |
| 20:18.58 | trepan | spldart: try them |
| 20:23.09 | spldart | I've added it. But I'm not going to restart now. My map is full of happy peeps and they are playing nice :) |
| 20:23.15 | spldart | at least so far |
| 20:27.17 | cosmos | PLEASANT GROVE, Utah (AP) ~W A 105mm Howitzer round fired for avalanche control |
| 20:27.17 | cosmos | missed its target, went over a hill and exploded in the living room of a home ki |
| 20:27.18 | cosmos | lling 3 residents, Pleasant Grove police said. |
| 20:28.02 | spldart | wow |
| 20:29.42 | brlcad | oops |
| 20:30.17 | brlcad | not so pleasant a grove |
| 20:30.57 | spldart | I assume that even though my bzflag shows both my server with it's proper description AND a seperate SERVER entry in the found servers list that the fact that a generic SERVER isn't shown on the bzflag server list on the mybzflag.org site that entry isn't actually public. |
| 20:32.15 | bzflagwiz_ | Used to be a pleasant grove, then someone built a house in the middle of it. Now it is on its way back to being a pleasant grove... |
| 20:32.32 | GvzEvxre | spldart: the one without a description is found by a lan broadcast. folks that are not on your lan won't see that one. |
| 20:32.34 | spldart | wah wah wah wahahaha |
| 20:32.44 | spldart | sweet |
| 20:32.45 | menotume | lol bzflagwiz_ |
| 20:32.47 | spldart | thanks for that bit of info |
| 20:34.24 | spldart | It only started listing the generic entry after I moved from port 5123 to 5154. |
| 20:34.33 | spldart | now I know why |
| 20:36.40 | spldart | Oh... Can anyone recommend me to a #channel that would be overall linux discussion. I'm looking for a really good 'minidisc' sort of live disc linux. |
| 20:36.56 | brlcad | #linux ? |
| 20:37.00 | spldart | oh |
| 20:37.09 | spldart | that's a channel? |
| 20:37.16 | spldart | I didn't expect it to be so simple |
| 20:37.17 | spldart | heheheh |
| 20:37.21 | blast007 | :) |
| 20:37.35 | orchid | ##linux actually I think |
| 20:37.47 | brlcad | #linux redirects to that |
| 20:37.47 | spldart | your right |
| 20:37.52 | spldart | But it did redirect me |
| 20:38.24 | brlcad | freenode's ## idea is just silly imo |
| 20:39.20 | spldart | irc is all new to me anyway |
| 20:39.22 | brlcad | that just introduces a big ol' namespacing problem |
| 20:41.01 | CIA-5 | BZFlag: 03trepan * 10bzflag/src/bzfs/commands.cxx: maintain callsign case |
| 20:49.19 | spldart | grr. They are way to busy talking recompiles to even noticed that I asked a question in ##linux. hehe |
| 20:49.33 | ruskie | lol |
| 20:49.34 | spldart | It just scrolled off the screen |
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| 20:53.32 | Mr_Molez | maybe they dont have the answer |
| 20:53.49 | Mr_Molez | or find it too demanding to answer :p |
| 20:55.25 | spldart | hehe |
| 20:55.38 | spldart | I'm just going to research it myself on goodle |
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| 20:58.02 | Mr_Molez | that's always the best thing to do ;) |
| 21:01.23 | cosmos | that what it usually boils down to with linux users. recompiling the kernel and screenshots of uptime |
| 21:02.31 | ruskie | lol |
| 21:02.38 | ruskie | who needs a screenshot of uptime... |
| 21:02.48 | ruskie | /exec -o - uptime |
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| 21:02.53 | ruskie | does the trick :) |
| 21:03.07 | cosmos | it goes with their galleries of X desktop screenshots |
| 21:03.23 | ruskie | lol |
| 21:03.27 | spldart | LMAO |
| 21:03.44 | cosmos | linux install, 12 mins, configure X desktop, 12 months. |
| 21:03.55 | Grumbler | Nidhoggr< somehow i get here when trying to find out material to soap a car with......http://www.millersoap.com/soapertypes.html |
| 21:05.38 | Grumbler | SportChick< how are "things"? |
| 21:10.42 | Mr_Molez | only takes 12 months if u dont know what ur doin ;) |
| 21:30.46 | brlcad | http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/humanbody/sleep/sheep/reaction_version5.swf |
| 21:32.21 | orchid | I'm second slowest |
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| 21:35.59 | spldart | I'm a Bobbling Bobcat. And I'm drinking alot of Burgandy :p |
| 21:36.21 | spldart | Oh.. And i'm burning Slax 4.2.0 to test it out ;) |
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| 21:57.49 | Grumbler | i think the wireless mouse slowed my reaction ... :) |
| 22:08.01 | Legoguy | depends what wireless mouse you have ;) |
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| 22:16.09 | wegstar | who's a cop/admin of hepcat.org here? |
| 22:16.23 | Birdie | yea me |
| 22:16.24 | Birdie | why |
| 22:16.51 | Birdie | (if you meaned the bzflag servers and not the site) |
| 22:17.00 | wegstar | some "tkr" that everyone is complaining and voting to ban... |
| 22:17.05 | wegstar | he keeps coming back.. |
| 22:17.11 | Birdie | nick? |
| 22:17.54 | wegstar | err... "Mezz_***" or something like that |
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| 22:17.59 | Birdie | ok |
| 22:19.22 | Birdie | i banned him |
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| 22:20.02 | wegstar | People there were complaining about him, right? |
| 22:20.36 | Birdie | yea |
| 22:20.39 | Birdie | tk and selfcapturing |
| 22:20.45 | wegstar | yep... |
| 22:21.41 | Birdie | thx for getting me |
| 22:22.34 | wegstar | k |
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| 22:45.46 | sussudio | admin on ducati please. |
| 22:46.13 | sussudio | orchid |
| 22:46.42 | sussudio | ~d |
| 22:48.29 | wegstar | hmm |
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| 22:52.15 | Mr_Molez | uhhh |
| 22:52.22 | Mr_Molez | racist comment ? |
| 22:53.35 | sussudio | you don't say |
| 22:53.39 | wegstar | err.. anti-semitic... |
| 22:53.53 | amathis | that isn't so subtle |
| 22:56.18 | Mr_Molez | :| |
| 22:58.37 | cosmos | ~hepcat |
| 22:58.45 | cosmos | need to change that |
| 23:00.29 | sussudio | ~hepcat =~ s/bzflag// |
| 23:00.29 | ibot | OK, sussudio |
| 23:00.30 | guu | I've never heard of ~hepcat, sussudio! |
| 23:00.37 | sussudio | ~hepcat |
| 23:00.43 | sussudio | er |
| 23:00.54 | sussudio | ~hepcat =~ s/.hepcat/hepcat/ |
| 23:00.54 | ibot | sussudio: OK |
| 23:00.54 | guu | I've never heard of ~hepcat, sussudio! |
| 23:00.59 | sussudio | guu: be quiet |
| 23:01.00 | guu | sussudio: Guu des whakaremasen! |
| 23:01.02 | sussudio | ~hepcat |
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| 23:09.30 | bestbuddyever | I just switched my ibook2 from OSX to debian, set bit depth 16 and AGPMode 2, looking for tips to get a good frame rate. any ideas? |
| 23:11.25 | cosmos | heh cool thanks sussido |
| 23:12.16 | cosmos | ~hepcat |
| 23:15.43 | cosmos | ~ducati |
| 23:15.51 | cosmos | ~d |
| 23:20.14 | cosmos | ~s |
| 23:20.16 | ibot | test |
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| 23:29.40 | fant | hello all |
| 23:32.28 | sussudio | ... |
| 23:34.28 | cosmos | hi |
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| 23:46.58 | cosmos | ~hepcat |
| 23:56.01 | cosmos | everyone must be at church :) |
| 23:56.32 | cosmos | i bought a quarter pounder at mcd's today and got told i would burn in hell |
| 23:56.41 | cosmos | apparently your only supposed to order the filet o fish |
| 23:59.15 | Chestal | I always found it kinda cheap to allow fish when you are supposed to be fastening |
| 23:59.49 | Chestal | either some subtlety escapes me due to my lack of the bible, or it was a clever feat to not make it too unpopular |
